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Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 7:58:30 am PST

The Associated Press’s credibility lies on the ground in tatters this morning, because none of their claims about “Jamil Hussein’s” reports check out: Destroyed - Not.

The bottom line: the only facts that weren’t fabricated were greatly exaggerated.

AP Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll indignantly attacked those who had questioned the global news organization’s reporting: “I never quite understood why people chose to disbelieve us about this particular man on this particular story,” she told Editor and Publisher. “AP runs hundreds of stories a day, and has run thousands of stories about things that have happened in Iraq.”

Well, Bryan Preston and I visited the area during our Iraq trip last week. Several mosques did, in fact, come under attack by Mahdi Army forces. But the “destroyed” mosques all still stand. Iraqi and U.S. Army officials say that two of them received no fire damage whatsoever. Another, which we filmed, was abandoned and empty when it was attacked.

WE obtained summary reports and photos filed at the time by Iraqi and U.S. Army troops on the scene. They contain no corroborating evidence of Hussein’s claim that “Shiite militiamen grabbed six Sunnis as they left Friday worship services, doused them with kerosene and burned them alive near Iraqi soldiers who did not intervene.”

One of the mosques identified by the AP, the Nidaa Alah mosque, had been abandoned and vacant at the time it was hit with small-arms fire, say Iraqi and U.S. Army officials. Two of its inside rooms were burned out by a lobbed firebomb, according to an Army report.

Three other mosques in the area - the al Muhaymin, al Mushahiba and Ahbab Mustafa mosques - sustained small-arms fire damage to their exteriors; the Mustafa mosque also had two rooms burned out by a firebomb.

Contrary to Hussein and the AP’s account, military reports note that Iraqi Army battalion members were on the scene - pursuing attackers, securing the area, calling the fire department, providing support and an outer cordon.

Neither The New York Times nor The Washington Post was able to confirm AP’s story.

The AP quoted one corroborating witness, Imad al-Hasimi, a Sunni elder in Hurriya, who “confirmed Hussein’s account” of the immolated Sunnis on Al-Arabiya television. When Al-Hasimi later recanted, AP implied that it was due to pressure from Iraqi government officials. The other possibility: He recanted because it wasn’t true.

Capt. Aaron Kaufman of Task Force Justice, which works closely with the Iraqi Army battalion that was on the scene and monitored events as they happened, told us: “It was blown way out of proportion, there was nobody lit on fire.”

Capt. Stacy Bare, the civil-affairs officer who took us on patrol in Hurriya, concurred: “There were no six Sunnis burned.”

I’ll be expecting apologies any minute now from all the mainstream media outlets and mean-spirited loony left bloggers who rushed to crow and gloat when the Associated Press issued their deceptive statements.

Not.

Bloggers like Glenn “Sock Puppet” Greenwald and Markos “Screw Them” Moulitsas showed absolutely no concern for the truth when they scrambled to score their cheap points, and they’ll show no concern for the truth now. That’s how the “reality-based” community operates.

But there is a much bigger question. How much of the news AP and Reuters report from Iraq has been similarly distorted, invented, and exaggerated?

UPDATE at 1/21/07 8:13:07 am:

Here’s Markos drooling and gloating: Daily Kos: Rubbing it in.

UPDATE at 1/21/07 8:31:49 am:

More photos of the very un-destroyed mosques at Michelle Malkin’s blog: Fact-checking the AP and Jamil Hussein.

UPDATE at 1/21/07 8:54:34 am:

Bob Owens has continued to look into other reports the Associated Press attributed to “Jamil Hussein:” Hussein of Cards.

UPDATE at 1/21/07 12:06:36 pm:

Curt responds at Flopping Aces.

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1 mbruce  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 5:59:43am

It should all be considered as tainted ,every last word.

2 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:02:46am
I’ll be expecting apologies any minute now from all the mainstream media outlets and mean-spirited loony left bloggers who rushed to crow and gloat when the Associated Press issued their deceptive statements.

Not.

muhahahahahahha!

3 ArmyWife  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:03:01am

How much, indeed. The stories I get from my husband in Iraq are much, much different than the ones we see or read in the news. Enough said.

4 ironbill  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:03:03am

AP = Always Phabricated

5 dewie  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:03:08am

second !

6 soccerdad  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:03:24am

keep up the great work Charles! Expose, expose, expose

7 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:03:25am

AP's credibility is shot.

8 TotallySirius  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:04:00am

Don't hold your breath for those apologies Charles.

9 mama winger  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:04:11am
"So, rumors on the street Iraqis will take at face value. Trying to get them to do investigations is like pulling teeth out of their head."

MANY Iraqis lie to survive. Rumor is the common national dialect that unites the country's warring sects and tribes. Sunni journalists carry multiple ID cards to disguise themselves. Shiite Iraqi Army members hide their day jobs - changing into uniform only after arriving on base.

Deception and manipulation are also tools of the insurgent trade. Satellites, cellphones and Internet cafes aid insurgent and militia propaganda wars 24/7.

It behooves the Western media to acknowledge these realities and maintain as much transparency about their sources and local stringers as possible.

10 filetandrelease  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:04:29am
How much of the news AP and Reuters report from Iraq has been similarly distorted, invented, and exaggerated?

Fixed it for ya'

11 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:04:58am

Leftists never have to apologize. They are to busy in their ivory towers demanding apologies from others.

12 wvobiwan  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:05:43am

All of it. I personally skip right over any story with an AP oir Reuters byline, just like I do for CNN, NYT, WaPo, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc.

Why bother with sifting through lies?

13 dewie  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:06:04am

Second...( NOT ! )
...Oh my gosh ! Just how long has this been going on!
/sarc

14 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:06:19am

#11 FrogMarch
Being in left means never having to say you are sorry?

15 AMER1CAN  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:06:33am
How much of the news AP and Reuters report from Iraq has been similarly distorted, invented, and exaggerated?

All of it?

16 TotallySirius  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:06:44am

Fake but accurate.


We just know some evil Iraqi police would have set those dudes on fire.

If there was a Jamil Hussein and if there was a burning,then our report would have been right.

/Assimilated Press off

17 ctrlL  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:07:40am

THIS report belongs on Meet the Press, IMO

... not that lying fat windbag Kennedy.
/Russert, get a spine !

18 realwest  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:08:16am

I agree with you Charles but I note that in the very first sentance of her report, Michelle Malkin states:
"January 21, 2007 -- WELL, the Iraqi Ministry of Interior says disputed Associated Press source Jamil Hussein does exist. But at least one story he told the AP just doesn't check out: The Sunni mosques that as Hussein claimed and AP reported as "destroyed," "torched" and "burned and [blown] up" are all still standing. So the credibility of every AP story relying on Jamil Hussein remains dubious."
So apparently this "reporter" Jamil Hussein does exist - it's just his news stories that come from Oz.

19 Sgt.Slappy  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:08:20am

The AP, uh, "reports"... "news"?

Therein lies the problem. (pun intended)

20 Barbara Skolaut  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:09:17am
But there is a much bigger question now. How much of the news AP and Reuters report from Iraq has been similarly distorted, invented, and exaggerated?

ALL of it.

As someone famously said, everything they write is a lie, including "and" and "the."

A pox on both their houses.

21 realwest  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:09:38am

#4 ironbill - Good one!

22 mbruce  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:10:01am

Yup, All Propoganda, All of the time.
"facts,we don't need no stinking fact"

23 Judith  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:11:19am

My credibility for the AP went out the window a few years back when one of my e-mail friends was eight months pregnant and had a toddler in her shopping cart in a store in Jerusalem. A Palestinian came in and while shouting Alhyu Akbar starting attacking people with a knife. He came at her and her baby and she took her handgun out of her purse and dropped the guy. One through the heart. (She was a former Texan.) Anyway the AP reported on the story "Palestinian shopper dead by Jewish security guard." They made it sound like the guy was just minding his own business, picking up some hummus on the way home from work, and some gun happy settler shot him just for the hell of it. I compared her version to the AP version and you would never have known it was the same incident.

24 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:11:19am
...the Iraqi Ministry of Interior says disputed Associated Press source Jamil Hussein does exist


hmmm
Iraqi Ministry of Interior
I trust that source about as much as I trust Jamil himself.

25 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:11:59am

She has more pics of the "destroyed" mosques on her blog...
Fact-checking the AP and Jamil Hussein
(Scroll down)

26 Blackacre  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:13:11am
"How much of the news AP and Reuters report from Iraq has been similarly distorted, invented, and exaggerated?"

All too much of it.

But just as the NYT after Jayson Blair, just as CBS after Rathergate, just as CNN after the Eason Jordan revelations, just as Reuters after Adnan Hajj and the fauxtography Picture Kill scandal, all too many of their readers will turn a blind eye and continue to swallow their fabrications and prevarications as if they were the font of unvarnished truth and rectitude.

27 jjmckay1216  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:13:36am

#24 BabbaZee

Iraqi Ministry of Interior
I trust that source about as much as I trust Jamil himself.

You sure they're NOT the same person? Has anyone ever seen them together?

Mornin, all Lizards!

28 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:13:37am

#23 Judith
I remember that story very well.
i remember sending the news article to my friends
in an e mail where I said, "and then she went home and made a nice dinner for her family. My kind of woman."

You know her?
Tell her she has many admirers.

29 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:16:10am
“AP runs hundreds of stories a day, and has run thousands of stories about things that have happened in Iraq.”

Do you think that running lies/distortions/exaggerations will be any easier just because A.P. runs so many stories? Sorry. Sophisticated consumers know how to smell your rats.

30 mama winger  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:18:08am

#23 Judith

Wow! What an admirable woman.

Don't mess with Texas. Or Jews. :)

31 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:18:57am

23 Judith

Awesome woman.

32 mama winger  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:19:44am

The snow is really coming down now. I don't think I will risk going out to church this morning. I guess you all are stuck with me.

Maybe Babba could give me a good sermon.

33 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:20:28am

Iraqi Officials Say Gunmen in Karbala Attack Impersonated Americans

The Islamists are certainly wily. They know full well Americans cannot fight back in the ways that would actually work, so they pull stunts like this in a bid to demoralize and confuse GIs.

If were able to actually fight Islamism we would simply annihilate any village or area shielding jihadists. The people would get the message real fast: harbor a jihadist today = don't wake up tomorrow. Very soon there would be no need to kill anyone.

34 Shane  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:20:34am

The more important question, the more important relevant point;
The motive behind fabricating worse and worse stories about the conditions in Iraq. If the motive is make the US look bad and make the war go bad, I believe that is treason. The motive behind fabricating reports that make the enemy look better is an important question. Secondly, why would she possibly think that the rest of the stories by AP are not now, suspect?

35 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:21:37am

#32 mama winger
LOL ...I'm sure I could...

36 mbruce  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:22:29am

The Lefties , Commies, Islamofascists and all of their ilk will write all of this off as wingnut nonsense, there is a large body of evidence telling us all that THEY DO NOT CARE FOR FACTS ANYWAY.
All of this is fantasy writing to support their twisted world-view so they will all continue to eat it up followed be a " see,see I told you so".

37 shug  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:22:35am
But there is a much bigger question now. How much of the news AP and Reuters report from Iraq has been similarly distorted, invented, and exaggerated?

Only that which makes America, American soldiers, the Coalition, Tony Blair, the West, and George Bush look bad

In other words, pretty much everything they write

38 mama winger  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:22:40am

#35 Babba

I have no doubt ...
:)

39 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:24:05am

Where are the trolls this morning?

40 Right Side  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:25:51am

#33 Pro-Bush Canuck:

If were able to actually fight Islamism we would simply annihilate any village or area shielding jihadists. The people would get the message real fast: harbor a jihadist today = don't wake up tomorrow. Very soon there would be no need to kill anyone.


That's what the Soviets thought too.

In Afghanistan, they tried exactly the "scorched-earth" policy you're suggesting, ultimately killing over ONE MILLION Iraqi civilians--maybe as many as two million. They bombed entire villages into oblivion and systematically machine-gunned entire populations of villages into the ground.

But they still lost the war.

I'll keep repeating this: You don't fight "Islamists in Iraq." You always end up fighting "Islamists in the WORLD"--same ummah, same jihad, same war, all over. And you can't kill all the Muslim civilians in the whole world behind whom the Islamists hide and plot violence. Unless you use nuclear weapons.

41 shug  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:26:14am

E2M

The bath houses are still open from last night.

give them a few hours to dry off

42 mbruce  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:26:28am

#39, it is the morning to clean the bong,they'll be around after.

43 FrogMarch  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:27:06am

14 BabbaZee

Being in left means never having to say you are sorry?


Never! They are precious and delicate--- don't touch or offend...
or pop their carfully crafted paradigm!

Let's just say that I have this mental image of leftists frantically waiving their arms in the air while ceaselessly demanding apologies for all of their grievances, imaginary and otherwise.

44 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:27:20am

38 Earth2moonbat

Where are the trolls this morning?

They partied too much last night.

45 kafir  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:27:23am

Charles, you almost got the bigger question.

Here it is. For how long, and how much of what AP, AFP, and all their fellow travelers have been reporting, how much of this is either unvarnished, or untainted truth? How much of it, during the entire history of these "news" organizations, has been slanted?

I am questioning their core. Their base. They as news entities have no credibility. They appear unable to do anything but spin or shill for their cause. No matter how misguided it is. No matter how much harm will come from their abuse of words. No matter how much pain and suffering they inflict. They don't care. They continue to use weapons of mass deception against a public hungry for consumption of their product. No matter how rancid it is.

Maybe this is why bloggers are on a hockey stick up, and MSM are on a corresponding one down? The public is finally waking up to the idiocy of their pre-packaged and digested news. They are finally asking for critical and as unbiased as possible analysis.

46 yah  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:28:22am

I think it was nosubmission that mentioned the orange banner at dailoy kos gave her a headache. I just took a better look at it, and it looks to me like they are burning an American flag - [Link: www.dailykos.com...]

47 spinoneone  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:28:47am

Virtually all the limp wieners calling themselves "reporters" carefully stay within the "Green Zone" and merely talk to each other, reporting common sources of mixed credibility. After all, when your boss doesn't believe in the war why get one's self killed in it?

48 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:29:23am

#23 Judith

Those are the kinds of stories that need to be compiled into a trollhammer database. I'm glad the real story turned out with a happy ending, but these kinds of media malpractice stories need to get more attention.

I know that in my experience, whenever there's a news story that I have some first-hand knowledge of, the media, without fail, screws the story up. Political agenda or not. They just don't feel that they should be bothered with getting it right.

49 yah  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:30:01am

#39 Earth2moonbat 1/21/2007 08:24AM PST

Where are the trolls this morning?


What happened to nordog?

50 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:31:04am

46 yah

Maybe someone is raising the flag out of the flames.

51 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:32:07am

#40 Right Side

So are you suggesting we have no real hope except to use nuclear weapons to destroy the Ummah?

I would assume not, because if that were true we'd be facing the end of civilization as we know it.

This Muslim: Insanity and the Mistake Trap believes that Islamism is a house of cards, and that the Ummah will rapidly switch sides away from the jihadists if we can demonstrate convincingly that they are powerless against us. Taking them out in no uncertain terms (the jihadists, not the Ummah) would according to him bring about the change of heart we seek. This may involve a lot of "collateral casualties", but not the nightmarish apocalypse suggested by a nuclear war against Islam in general.

52 tiredpaul  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:32:22am

good morning lizards,
i'm going to church because it's socal. but what corroboration from michelle. so many of our fellows have their head in the sand, they don't even want to know, unless it's some item about a celebrity at the check out line. but "God will have them in derision..." psm 2. so much of the context of events today are falling squarely into the Biblical foreview of the culmination of history. the mooslims will amalgamate in some fashion and the 10 nation confederacy is coming. it could include fwance as well and king saud. even if we get a non-democratic president next time, our mentality is so isolationist, we will not be involved in any real sense. . . just my thots this am

53 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:32:35am

#44 MandyManners

I seem to recall several trolls saying something to the effect of "nanny-nanny boo-boo" when the AP came out with it's "proof" that there was a Jamil Hussein. Don't they want to dscuss this story any more?

54 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:32:38am

#40 right side:

Umm, you mean the Soviets killed more than 1 million Afghans, don't you? They also lost that conflict because they sent in poorly paid and low morale conscripts whose morale only grew worse as the conflict went along. The Soviets had no interest in rebuilding - only blowing stuff up. They didn't want to create a functional government but one compliant to the Soviet whims.

That said, I do find that you're essentially supporting the Bush Administration's usage of war on terror and not war on Islamists precisely because he's trying to keep the conflict contained and co-opting some Muslims to fighting against others who seek to destroy everything in their path.

55 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:33:45am

#52 tiredpaul

PS: Mama you can consider this your sermon and stay warm inside.

56 mama winger  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:34:37am

Charles linked to the photos on Michelle's blog. The crystal chandeliers in the 'destroyed' mosque aren't even broken, and are still lit.

Pffft - AP is Anti-Peace.

57 Roger  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:34:51am

#18 realwest

But which John SmithJamil Hussein is he? :-) And does he secretly wear a fetish burhka?

58 mama winger  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:35:55am

#55 Babba

I love David Wilkerson! Thank you! off to read for a bit ...

59 Mike C.  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:36:10am

# 32 mama winger

Snowing here as well.

60 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:36:58am

53 Earth2moonbat

Even if he exists, he's telling lies.

61 ec marm  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:37:33am

#46 yah 1/21/2007 08:28AM PST

I think it was nosubmission that mentioned the orange banner at dailoy kos gave her a headache. I just took a better look at it, and it looks to me like they are burning an American flag

I took a Lenin poster, circa 1905, and compared it to the kos banner in this image. The colors are very similar, the stance the same.

62 Bobblehead  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:37:42am

#23 Judith

What a woman! Lucky husband.

63 Merovign  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:38:13am

#23 Judith

The newscritters do that every day about similar events right here in the US - they just have double the crooked motive to do it in Israel!

I allocate .04 seconds each day to read moonbat sites like Keystone Kos. Not quite enough time to actually click on the link.

I used to read them, to "broaden my horizons," but there isn't actually anything there but spittle, spite, and drivel.

I keep trying to find the non-moonbat left so I can actually read some of it, but BDS is a widespread disease.

64 gymnast  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:38:56am

#40, Right Side. Ever hear of Milt Bearden? Thought not. The Russkies were kicking ass until the USA took an interest.

65 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:39:16am
"So, rumors on the street Iraqis will take at face value. Trying to get them to do investigations is like pulling teeth out of their head."

That, in a nutshell, is the problem with taking any kind of witness testimony in the Arab world. It's AP's friggin' responsibility to understand this. Either they don't understand it, or don't care.

66 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:39:53am

Bill Richardson is exploring a run for the White House? Clinton, Obama, Edwards and now Richardson. Maybe they'll chew each other to pieces.

67 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:39:54am

#61 ec marm
Stop, you'll give him a woody.

68 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:40:24am

Well, one troll did show up, just not of the MSM-defending variety...

69 yesandno  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:40:51am

All the news they print to fit...

So much for the freedom of the press...

One day they will wonder why they no longer have freedom and they will never understand it was their own faux-tl.

70 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:41:48am

61 ec marm

No shit! That's hilarious.

71 Bobblehead  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:42:24am

#61 ec marm

Love, love the Obama pic. Hilarious.

72 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:42:45am

Jamil Hussein, Salam "Green Helmet" Daher, and Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, all credible sources to the Associated (With Terrorists) Press!

73 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:42:50am

The AP has had the opportunity to do the same exact kind of reporting on the mosque attacks, and yet chose not to. Malkin's reporting directly contradicts Hussein's statements, and shows others to have been exaggerated.

Yet the AP continues to go along with their dog and pony show. The military reports show a different story. The visual evidence shows a different story.

And yet, AP stands by their 'man.' Curious way to report news, don't you think?

74 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:44:23am

#66 MandyManners

I can see the endgame. It's going to be Rodham/Barak. All the rest is just diversion.

75 Merovign  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:44:25am

#51 Pro-Bush Canuck

I don't agree with #40, but I understand the sentiment.

The problem is how central jihadism and anti-innovation are to Islam, as well as a few other "features." It's about as resistant to reform as a culture can be.

I still have hope that it can reform, but I'm not sure I can articulate the reasons. I guess just because the alternatives are all so rotten.

Just do some mental math about how much less violent the world would be if you subtracted militant (mainstream) Islam. Pure mental math, of course, 'cause such things are beyond doing.

Ultimately no one from outside can "reform" Islam, and the voices inside for reform are few and not nearly loud enough, and under constant threat from the militants. Maybe a convincing Mahdi impersonator can show up with a reform-minded message and be accepted, I don't know.

76 jjmckay1216  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:44:39am

46 yah 1/21/2007 08:28AM PST

I think it was nosubmission that mentioned the orange banner at dailoy kos gave her a headache. I just took a better look at it, and it looks to me like they are burning an American flag - [Link: [Link: www.dailykos.com...]...]

Damn! I think you are RIGHT!

77 J.S.  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:45:29am

Until the West understands that we are at war and that the enemy routinely tells lies, we are in trouble.

The MSM over and over and over again falls for the lies. The enemy tells lies whenever it suits their purpose. Thus, the MSM reports the hateful statements said by Nasrallah. Next thing you know, the pro-jihadists in the MSM will report (with outrage and indignation) that "It's ALL a LIE!" and go on and on about the defaming of the "innocent" Nasrallah. Ditto for the prez of Iran -- "Hey, he's really a really, really nice guy who's just misunderstood...he doesn't want nukes, he doesn't want to obliterate Israel..." "His hate-filled statements are just taken out of context! Let us all be forgiving and nice to the Nasrallahs and the prez of Iran.."

Meanwhile, anytime there's any bad news (in terms of how the West is portrayed) will be escalated and exaggerated. Thus, any humiliating incident immediately becomes "Torture! It's Torture! Oh, the horror!"

This is the way it is.

78 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:45:31am

It seems to me that if we are going to have a Fairness Doctrine for the broadcast medium, we should also have 'Truth in Journalism Doctrine' for the print medium. There should be standards, set by law, that spell out the difference between news reporting and fictional commentary. Freedom of the press is not a license to fabricate news. Journalistic malpractice harms the nation and should be considered a crime.

79 right wing zephyr  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:45:34am

AP officially (if they hadn't already) joins Reuters and CBS at the scrapheap of Major Media discredited through citizen journalism and real reporting.

AP is extinct.

80 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:45:46am

here's the board of directors of the AP
After I finish with the project gymnast turned me on to I think it will be instructive to search each one of these names and companies to see where their time and money goes

81 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:45:48am
82 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:45:56am

42 Earth2moonbat

They really do want to lose, don't they?

83 Midwestprof  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:46:34am

I don't know if this has been posted, yet, but it's a must read: How the Left Lost Its Way - Nick Cohen, The Observer.

When a war to overthrow Saddam Hussein came, the liberals had two choices. The first was to oppose the war, remain hypercritical of aspects of the Bush administration's policy, but support Iraqis as they struggled to establish a democracy.
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The second choice for the liberals was to do the wrong thing for the right reasons. To look at the Iraqi civilians and the British and American troops who were dying in a war whose central premise had proved to be false, and to go berserk; to allow justifi able anger to propel them into 'binges of posturing and ultra-radicalism' as the Sixties liberals had done when they went off the rails.
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They chose to go berserk.

84 bj  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:46:44am

Join HonestReporting.com and get involved in their letter writing campaigns to call attention to al-ap and al-reuters and al-bbc when they commit these outrageous "sins" against the public. I know of no other way to get to them except through the pocketbook.

85 Mike C.  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:47:07am

Hmm. It would appear that winter has finally arrived here in the lower Shenandoah valley.

86 arier_Tzvi  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:47:27am

OT. Carter is now live on CNN.

87 txlady  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:47:59am

#23 Judith 1/21/2007 08:11AM PST
Oh my goodness! Thank g-d she had that hand gun. Brava!
It's amazing to me that people think that guns should be band. I think it's people that are hoodlims should be band. If the law won't protect us, then we should at least be able to defend ourselves. My daughter is going to learn how to shoot properly

88 right wing zephyr  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:48:08am
annihilate any village or area shielding jihadists. The people would get the message real fast: harbor a jihadist today = don't wake up tomorrow. Very soon there would be no need to kill anyone.

Exactly. And use bigger bombs.

89 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:49:22am

#86 arier_Tzvi
You call that live? he's a frikkin' golem.
Bwahahha

90 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:49:26am

78 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Absolutely NOT. To do so would mean a complete and utter gutting of the First Amendment. It would render a nation so unlike that which the Founders established and envisioned.

The answer to lies is to be found in an open and vigorous debate, and not in a framework which would make every dictator in history proud to have.

91 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:49:35am

#85 Mike C.

Hmm. It would appear that winter has finally arrived here in the lower Shenandoah valley.

And the shiitebirds are flying South.

92 Judith  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:50:22am

Okay, I can't say I "knew" her as I've actually never met her but I was part of a Jewish woman's e-mail circle, you know like a Yahoo or Google group, and we'd corresponded within the group for nearly two years when this incident happened. She was a "settler" and a bit lonesome for home. It was a "bad" neighbourhood in Jerusalem and she was a religious Jew. She told all of us about it on-line. And she didn't just go home and make dinner for her family. The shock of the whole situation put her into a strong bout of false labor and she rested with her feet up while her mother-in-law came over and cooked the dinner. The strong labor pains passed and she went to her due date. I lost touch with her when for various reasons having nothing to do with her, I dropped out of the group. But it was after she told us what had happened that I read on line the AP version and I was finished with them.

93 arier_Tzvi  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:50:31am

Babbazee.
Live taped.. :)

94 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:51:34am

I didn't realize she was pregnant when it happened on top of everything else.

May her name live forever, whatever it is.

95 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:51:45am

80 BabbaZee

Cool link. I'll do what I can to investigate.

96 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:53:03am

84 bj

There you go: one way to battle the lies.

97 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:53:36am

#90 MandyManners

78 Kreuzueber Halbmond

something I posted on the DT today

Commentary: The First Amendment Dilemma In The Battle Against Islamic Terrorism

98 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:53:38am

#79 right wing zephyr;

I can't agree with that one bit. CBS is still around. Reuters is still around. AP is still around. They're still pushing news and AP and Reuters have even more power now than they did only a few years ago because other media outlets are not sending their own reporters and instead rely on the wire services for reporting outside their home locales.

That means that more people are getting the AP and Reuters line, not fewer. That means that more people are getting swayed by the AP and Reuters line, not less.

You want to force change in the industry and you've got to get the local media outlets to recognize that the wire services are sending bogus and exaggerated reports that should cause problems if their own reporters did such things.

99 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:54:04am

Mandy let me know what you find

100 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:55:16am

#90 MandyManners

Absolutely. The last thing I want is the government or the courts deciding what the "truth" is. You can always tell a group who doesn't have confidence in their beliefs by them wanting to quash all debate. Such as the global warming crowd.

And this isn't going to make me popular here, but that's also why I think that the Holocaust denial laws in Europe were short-sighted.

101 Arashi  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:55:33am

Some of those comments at Kos make me sick...*wince* How can they think that we're all just "puppets" or idiots or doing...agh.

It kind of hurts. Especially when it isn't true.

102 david e  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:56:09am

OT: Our "friends" in Pakistan,

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Having trouble with the link thing

103 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:56:31am

Off the top of my head, I do know that the print media (Rocky Mountain News and Denver Post) in Denver are operating under a JOA, the worst idea in media to come along in years.

104 Right Side  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:56:32am

#34 Shane:

The motive behind fabricating worse and worse stories about the conditions in Iraq. If the motive is make the US look bad and make the war go bad, I believe that is treason.


I really don't think the AP is trying to deliberately hurt the country. Rather, like many other mainstream liberals, the AP thinks that Bush's war policies are what is hurting the country, and they are trying to undercut those policies.

We always face this dilemma every time we go to war without overwhelming popular support.

I remember that we right-wingers had this same problem with Clinton's military intervention in the Balkans, which was also unpopular. Many of us believed it was a "Wag The Dog" scenario--a useless war to distract the public away from Clinton's domestic problems. Should we have kept silent about that while our pilots were in harm's way over Serbia? In the end, the GOP party leadership went along with the war. But the grass-roots conservatives did not.

We didn't have blogs back then. But take a look at what we conservatives were saying on Usenet newsgroups about Clinton's military campaign in Serbia:

[Link: groups.google.com...]

We sounded as crazy as the KOSsacks about that one!

105 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:56:37am

Doesn't hurt me ...not one little bit, babycakes.
NOTHING they believe in is true.

106 Judith  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:57:48am

I''m currently reading the book by "Crazy Like a Fox" by Scott Colllins and the stuff about the extremes Ted Turner went to to stop FOX from getting on cable and to turn the news the way he wanted it turned are shocking. He seemed to think that by presenting the news in a certain way he was doing the world a public service.

107 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:58:11am

100 Earth2moonbat

Holocaust denial laws are bone-headed. I'm with John Stuart Mill on this: suppression of a false idea does not produce the truth.

108 Mike C.  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 6:58:44am

# 100 E2m

No, you're absolutely correct on that.

109 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:00:33am

97 BabbaZee

I'll leave it up to more worthy people to debate the religion clauses in the First Amendment. All I can speak to is "Congress shall make no law..; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;..."

110 evil zionist  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:00:38am
I’ll be expecting apologies any minute now from all the mainstream media outlets and mean-spirited loony left bloggers who rushed to crow and gloat when the Associated Press issued their deceptive statements.

That was hilarious, made my morning :)

I'd expect more LLL respond that you can't trust the Army's credibility.

111 mama winger  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:00:48am

BABBA -

Thank you for the sermon. It was wonderful. This quote is a gem:

God's church is a triumphant,
despised, persecuted remnant.

The best part is I didn't have to put on my pantyhose. :)

112 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:02:36am

E2M:

I do not believe in legislating personal behavior
but that is just what happens when the Judeo-Christian ethic is abandoned for socialism, thus, laws from the State that should be no brainers that evolve from your personal belief system.

Socialism is for whores

113 yah  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:03:10am

I posted a link to the article Destroyed - Not to Drudge's
"News Tips" - be interesting to see if he picks it up.

114 scaramouche  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:03:21am

Here's a Reuters story about an heir of little brain who's worried about leaving his "carbon footprint."

Hey, aren't we all?

115 mama winger  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:03:43am

#104 Right Side

I really don't think the AP is trying to deliberately hurt the country

Pish Posh. Lefties think we deserve to be taken down, payback for all the evil we have done to the world blah blah blah.

116 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:03:57am

98 lawhawk

You want to force change in the industry and you've got to get the local media outlets to recognize that the wire services are sending bogus and exaggerated reports that should cause problems if their own reporters did such things.

Yes. But, one roadblock is that many local media are just as moonbatty as the wire services! Another is that they have no other sources for news from far-away places. Time is extremely short at daily papers, and there usually are not enough reporters/editors to look up alternate sources, and then decide which to run with.

117 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:04:15am

mama
indeed that sums it up

long live the Remnantians!

BTW I haven't owned a pair of pantyhose in at least 20 years, LOL

118 Mike C.  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:05:33am

# 109 MandyManners

Don't forget the Doctrine of Incorporation.

(Hat tip - Beagle)

119 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:05:36am

#103 MandyManners

And the two Seattle papers.

120 scaramouche  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:06:04am

#132 david e

Suddenly, everything's a "surge."

121 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:08:10am

114 scaramouche

Aaarrrggghhh.

I'm reminded of Mel Blanc's line in History of the World: It's good to be king. Ol' Chuck sure is squandering his lineage.

122 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:09:28am

As I said once (or a dozen times) before:

What is the difference between a phony Iraqi policeman being the source for phony AP news stories and a real Iraqi policeman being the source for phony Ap news stories?

(Now bold for emphasis.) :^)

Can the drooling gloaters answer that?

123 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:09:45am
Remnantians

Is that a buzzword?

124 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:10:15am

118 Mike C.

I'm brain-dead this a.m.. Care to elucidate for me?

125 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:10:51am

Totally OT:

Can someone tell me WTF "pwned" means?

126 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:11:11am

.

How much of the news AP and Reuters report from Iraq has been similarly distorted, invented, and exaggerated?

Enough to elect a Congress of cut-and-runners, enough to make our Warriors feel confused about the support from America.
Enough to make the terrorists happy.

In other words, AP and Reuters have earned their money.

Muhammed, pay them.

127 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:11:40am

E2M,
...very well could be, LOL!

128 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:11:55am

119 Earth2moonbat

How could I forget them?! One of my professors was an editor from the Times on sabbatical.

129 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:12:28am

#125 BabbaZee

Look it up on wikipedia. It's a video game term, but the whole story is too complicated to post. It started out as "owned", meaning "defeated".

130 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:13:09am
#120 scaramouche

Suddenly, everything's a "surge."

Not gonna' touch that one. Nosireebob.

131 mama winger  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:13:11am

#126 P-L

enough to make our Warriors feel confused about the support from America.

That just frosts me. If for no other reason, the press should be made to feel the consequences of their words and actions. They cause real pain to real people. Real fine people.

132 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:13:13am

#129 Earth2moonbat
Oh, Bah, I get it now.
eww.

133 EnochCain  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:13:21am

#125 BabbaZee

Same as "Owned"

134 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:13:58am

The Progressosphere is so far out there that they're beyond the fringe of audience comprehension. At this point they sound robot, cultish and scary.

135 EnochCain  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:14:34am

Earth2moonbat 1/21/2007 09:12AM PST

It actually started when someone misspelled "owned" on a map of Starcraft and it kind of stuck...I think.

136 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:14:35am

#133 EnochCain
Thanks.

Where I saw it it appeared to me that it was being used as a euphemism for "murdered"

137 Mike C.  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:14:57am

# 124 MandyManners

See here.

138 scaramouche  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:15:36am

#130 Mandy Manners

Not gonna' touch that one. Nosireebob.

Wise decision.

139 EnochCain  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:16:31am

PWNED...like so...lol [Link: www.hetemeel.com...]

140 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:17:29am

So Michelle decided to go to Iraq, and in a couple of days was all done. I don't think she intended to, or had to do any investigation. I think she was in email contact with some of our military personnel, and knew the exact story on the ground before she left. This was just to get there and do a first-hand report - something that AP has never done in Iraq - so that AP couldn't just blow it off as internet rumor. In other words, the purpose of the trip was to witness, and not to investigate. The investigation was done before she stepped on the plane.

141 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:17:54am

137 Mike C.

Duh. My under-caffeinated brain got it confused w/ the JOA practice. Thank you.

142 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:18:16am

OT:Religion of friendliness...
Islamic leaders defend Muslim officer over handshake snub

British Islamic leaders today defended a Muslim woman police constable who refused to shake hands with her force's chief because of her beliefs.

The Metropolitan Police officer declined to have any physical contact with Commissioner Sir Ian Blair at a passing-out ceremony for newly-qualified recruits.

Muslim groups said her refusal was in line with common Islamic practice and called for greater understanding of cultural differences.


Ridiculous.

143 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:18:39am

#130 MandyManners

Surge in a box?

144 Curt  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:18:43am

#16 Totallysirius (great handle!)

I think it's the devolution of media'b'Allah and we have surpassed "fake, BUT! accurate" and moved to "fake, BUT! uncomfirmable!"

145 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:18:57am

138 scaramouche

Sometimes I get something right.

146 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:19:40am
Muslim groups said her refusal was in line with common Islamic practice and called for greater understanding of cultural differences.the dhimmis to STFU, STFD, and make with the jizya already.

Fixed it.

147 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:20:45am

#131 Mama Winger

I sure hope that the INTENTION of the MSM to drive our Warriors into the fog of despair will remain that, an INTENTION.
And I hope that our Warriors get their news from blogs like this and from Rush and other Freedom Fighters.

WE LOVE YOU AND WE THANK YOU, AMERICAN WARRIORS !

148 Right Side  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:20:49am

#54 lawhawk:

Umm, you mean the Soviets killed more than 1 million Afghans, don't you? They also lost that conflict because they sent in poorly paid and low morale conscripts whose morale only grew worse as the conflict went along. The Soviets had no interest in rebuilding - only blowing stuff up. They didn't want to create a functional government but one compliant to the Soviet whims.


The Soviets were RIGHT about those last two things, and Bush was wrong.

The Soviets recognized, CORRECTLY, that rebuilding infrastructure and nation-building of a government would be impossible until after the insurgency was crushed. That victory over the insurgency was a PREREQUISITE to nation-building, not the reverse.

I don't think the quality of the Soviet forces mattered all that much, given that their strategy was to destroy any and all civilian areas that might be harboring jihadists. They didn't need skilled specialists to massacre villages, just uniformed thugs. But they were flummoxed as to how to handle all the jihadists who kept streaming across the border into Afghanistan from a dozen different Muslim countries with whom, technically, they weren't at war. They were also flummoxed as to how to get America to stop arming all those jihadists, since we were getting so much mileage out of the Soviets' discomfiture just by shipping the jihadists a few hundred Stinger antiaircraft missiles.

In short, the Soviets failed because they couldn't figure out how to localize the insurgency and seal off Afghanistan and turn off the tap of outside foreign support.

That said, I do find that you're essentially supporting the Bush Administration's usage of war on terror and not war on Islamists precisely because he's trying to keep the conflict contained

Then you totally misinterpreted what I said, which is not surprising because almost no one in the entire GOP wants to deal with what I am proposing.

I do not support either Bush's hopeless attempt to localize the conflict and win "hearts and minds" (he'll end up failing like Lyndon Johnson in Vietnam and Brezhnev in Afghanistan), nor of any attempt to wage a "scorched-earth" war on the whole planet with nuclear weapons.

I've already explained a thousand times already in LGF what I think must be done to win this war properly. But it won't get a fair hearing from conservatives because of their refusal to deal with the two biggest issues at stake here--the Islamist ideology itself and its relationship to Islam generally, and the petrodollars that power it. When we have Congresspeople who, after 5 years of war, still don't know the difference between a Shiite and a Sunni, the chance for an intelligent, visionary approach to fighting Islamism is nil.

Maybe President Hillary can deal with it. She's not as beholden to the oil industry and the Saudis as most of our other leaders have been.

149 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:21:57am
150 scaramouche  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:22:39am
151 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:22:44am

143 Earth2moonbat

Oh, no. You didn't say "box," did you?

152 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:23:01am

A.K.A. pwn3d.

153 blue_like_jazz  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:24:23am

re #151 mandy

NO YOU DIDN'T! that is one of the funniest things on SNL in a looong time!

(just wait, newbies... that tune will get stuck in your head and appear at inappropriate moments) =)

154 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:24:33am

.

a Muslim woman police constable who refused to shake hands with her force's chief because of her beliefs.

[DELETED]

The new Masters are really rude, aren't they ?

155 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:24:36am
156 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:24:37am

#149 ploome hineni

Details...

157 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:25:09am

Sorry, that was in comment to

#142 Killgore Trout

158 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:27:44am

#149 ploome hineni

You remember the burka brigade, don't you? From Iran? I think that's where they're headed with this. Seperate male and female police forces. And the next logical step after that is seperate muslim and kufr forces, since they aren't allowed to touch dirty kufr. Next stop: sharia.

159 pat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:28:53am

Damn, Charles made me read Kos. That man is so stupid.

160 Bill Amos  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:29:41am

Unfortunately charles their counterpoint is going ot be "This story might not be true but it accurately reflects what is going on in hte country"

In other words "Fake but accurate" is the new mantra of the MSM.

161 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:30:56am

153 blue_like_jazz

I picked it up somewhere either here or in the lounge.

162 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:31:01am

Right side

Maybe President Hillary can deal with it. She's not as beholden to the oil industry and the Saudis as most of our other leaders have been.

Already campaigning ?
OK.

So, Hillary will do what her husband didn't do ?
That's an interesting way of thinking.

She was in the White House when the wave of islamic attacks mounted: she was in the team that, by omission, allowed 9/11.

163 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:31:18am

#148 right side:
Apologies if I misinterpreted what you said.

OT:
It appears that the five American soldiers killed yesterday in Iraq by enemy fire were killed by insurgents wearing uniforms to trick US forces into believing that they were Americans.

The gunmen who killed five U.S. troops in the Shiite holy city of Karbala wore military uniforms and used vehicles commonly driven by foreign dignitaries - an apparent attempt to impersonate Americans, Iraqi officials said Sunday.

The five killed in Karbala were among at least 24 Americans deaths in Iraq on Saturday - the third deadliest single day for U.S. troops since the war began in March 2003. That total included four soldiers and a Marine killed in the violent Anbar province, whose deaths were announced Sunday.

164 benthoven  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:31:27am
If there was a Jamil Hussein and if there was a burning,then our report would have been right.

TotallySirius

YEAH! Even the AP's broken clock is right TWICE A DAY, so, um.. so... THERE!

165 MandyManners  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:34:10am

158 Earth2moonbat

Next stop:

All aboard!

166 M. Bensson-Levi  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:40:42am

Mornin' All,

Here's a headline from Drudge

'Judge Judy' earns more per year than all 9 Supreme Court Justices - COMBINED...

She's WORTH more than all 9 Supreme Court Justices combined!

Shi’a mosque destroyed in explosion
I got a buck and a half says it was a work accident. Any takers?

167 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:40:47am

I don't understand. Can anyone explain what it is about oil that makes some people start-raving paranoid?

/There's a potato industry conspiracy, I tell you! Don't trust anyone from Idaho!

168 Confederate Yankee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:40:49am

RE: Jamil Hussein

We know who Jamil Hussein is. He is an Iraqi police officer, named Jamil Gulaim "XX," according to his personnel records. A handful of us have his real name, but have chosen not to publish is second middle name nor his last name (NOT Hussein, or even close) for his safety. He is, in my mind, now a separate but related issue. MOI and AP apparently struck a deal where AP is allowed to claim Jamil Hussein exists, and in exchange, MOI and AP will work together better, weeding out anonymous police sources from the picture. A win-win/CYA for the major players, and one that should prevent future Jamil Husseins... not that it addresses his past sourcing in any way at all.

Now that Hurriyah is conclusively debunked, and it appears that the assassination of Iraqi Police Captain Amir Kamil is uncorroborated as well (click the link in the main post to my site, and scroll), the game now moves on to the bonus round: how many of Jamil's stories were faked, and is Jamil the only bogus AP source?

169 realwest  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:45:25am

#153 blue_like_jazz - Good afternoon to y'all! Did you receive my e-mail yesterday?

170 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:46:51am

#167 Earth2moonbat
If potato sheiks were funding terror and infiltration with unlimited potato industry money all over the world you'd have a better shot at a potato industry conspiracy, LOL

171 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:50:48am

#170 BabbaZee

I think we can all agree that certain oil exporters are up to no good. How do you get from that to the "oil industry" being inherently evil? That's the disconnect that indicates mental illness.

172 Merovign  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:51:08am

#167 Earth2moonbat

I don't understand. Can anyone explain what it is about oil that makes some people start-raving paranoid?

If it wasn't oil, it would be something else. There's just a big support base for the oil paranoia community.

With the level of intercommunication we have today, not to mention leisure time, the Greeks would have organizations devoted to exposing the "wheat conspiracy."

173 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:52:32am

Mr. Potato Head is a Persian Shoe!

174 inrussetshadows  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:54:43am

And never forget, that if the AP is this lax about checking its sources in Iraq, how can we trust ANYTHING they've said for the past forty years? A culture of corruption doesn't develop overnight.

175 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:54:50am

E2M ~
All organized groups of humans are inherently corrupt
on one level or another.
They think their shit doesn't stink
and their chosen groups are not corrupt.
Chalk it up to projection.

176 gymnast  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:57:04am

#167, E2m. Idaho, always loaded!

177 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:58:02am

#173 BabbaZee

That's it. There's a shoe conspiracy. Down with big shoes!

178 Geepers  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:58:41am

Right Side says:

We sounded as crazy as the KOSsacks about that one!

"We" did did we?

Speak for yourself Moby.

179 gymnast  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:02:28am

#178, Geepers. The false flag doubler seems to be campaigning for Mrs Clinton above. One step forward, two steps back, three steps to the left. Wrong side, left side, sideliner.

180 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:03:06am

How do I coin a new mental disorder? Maybe when the DSMV comes out, it can include ODS. Oil Derangement Syndrome. Seems to affect the extreme left and extreme right in equal numbers.

181 mjazzguitar  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:04:34am

#3 ArmyWife 1/21/2007 08:03AM PST

The stories I get from my husband in Iraq are much, much different than the ones we see or read in the news.

I see posts like this quite often, and I believe them, but why is it we never get to hear their side of the story? It's as if there is a large void where there should be information. And while we have exposed the fallacies of AP's reporting in Iraq, the linked article at Daily Kos is claiming some kind of vindication.

182 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:05:14am
183 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:11:55am

AP:

Asinine Propaganda

Do I have to have a degree in Journalism from Moscow University and a letter of recommendation from Beria to get a job there?

184 Jack Reacher  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:15:42am
"AP runs hundreds of stories a day, and has run thousands of stories about things that have happened promoting enemy propaganda in Iraq."

I don't see her point. They run a lot of stories, so some are likely to be correct? If I deposit a $5000 check in my bank account, and the bank credits my account with $500, would they say "Well, we handle thousands of transactions a day?" I really don't care; handle them correctly.

185 Leatherhelmet  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:20:36am

Maybe I have missed it but has anyone interviewed Jamil Hussein - be it reporter or blogger?

186 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:29:45am

#46 yah

Markos is a hard core leftist.
All this comes from the Socialist play book.
We are talking Lenin, Chomsky, Stalin, Kerensky. The whole lot.
From lying in the press, to intellectuals and professors recruiting students and brain washing them, to needing there country to loose in war so as to stir up the people against the government. To them it is a world wide movement not contingent on one country. That is why they hate all that patriotic stuff. Their allegiance is to the socialist movement, not their country. Borders are irrelevant. Once you understand this, EVERYTHING they do makes perfect sense. Clinton and her universal health care and her "It takes a village"? Open borders, attacking the troops, trying to silence opposing points of view with their "fairness doctrine", why they crank up your taxes up every chance they get. I could go on and on. These people tell you who they are everyday. You just have to know what to look for.
Markos little flag header is straight out of old Soviet art.

187 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:34:40am

#186 Hous Bin Pharteen

Exactly !
Cigar !

/NOT cuban !

188 Lateral  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:45:47am

I read through the trype that the hate monger kos put out. Gods, what a narrow minded, biggoted phsyco. I need to wash my eyes out with bleach after reading that filth.
What the hell is that shit? Line after line of double talk and straw man bullshit.
Is this what liberals live on, or, live for?
Hate and bullshit?
In reading that crap, I got the impression that via their words, all the poeple outside the LLL blogsphere do is praise and worship George Bush.
Again, BULLSHIT. Most of do not really care for him, but he is the president, thats all. The idiots hatered of the administartion has them so blind to anything else, they cannot even see thier own feet.
I feel sory for this nation, as these freaks are really sending us towards an internal war. I just hope their own phsycopathic hatred send them to a grave early via a stoke or coronary failure. Sad sick poeple. Is mercy killing possible? They need to be put out of misery, even their own self-created misery.
Then with those nutjobs gone, the world will have a chance of peace.

189 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:49:23am

One day, E2M ,you will know the real truth behind the potato famine and then you'll be sorry.

190 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:51:01am

#187 Poitiers-Lepanto

Why thank you sir.
Not Cuban?
Can't we have a "war for cigars" and invade cuba?


Rightside.

Maybe President Hillary can deal with it


What drugs are you on? How is fighting the war going to help push Hillarys socialist agenda? She couldn’t give a flying you know what about the war. The left needs us to lose.

For those of you hooked on "in a box", SNL actually smacked down Hillary last night on their version of Chris Matthews. Hillary claimed to be half black.

191 BabbaZee  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:54:22am
192 new_tommy  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 8:56:57am

Who can we email at the AP to demand an explanation?

193 Merovign  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 9:01:31am

#192 new_tommy

Yeah, best of luck with that.

194 new_tommy  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 9:03:28am

Maybe if we engage in a massive email swarm the AP will feel the need to issue some sort of response. I'm not suggesting they will apologize. That is beyond any possibility.

195 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 9:19:50am

#190 Hous Bin Pharteen

The left needs us to lose.

The left is busy DECONSTRUNCTING the Free World. Literally, they want the TEXT (and the texture) of the Free World to become chaotic and confused, unreadable and unmanageable. They think that in this way they will disrupt what they think is the "COMMAND" of the capital, when in fact what they do is simply opening the door to the most reactionary force of history (islam).
Like all people affected by a mania and NOT reading the reality through reason, they are VERY EFFECTIVE, because doubts don't disturb their action.

The defeat of America is absolutely a must for these dangerous idiots, who don't understand that, should the American might disappear from the world, they would be the first victims of the Dark Age they are praying for.

In strictly marxian (not marxist !) terms they are reactionaries.
Their reading of the marxian theory (especially the Grundrisse), and its transformation in the marxist ideology, makes them blind to the true meaning of the "Wirkliche Bewegung", the "real movement" of history and addicted to a utopian nihilistic ideology that is only the mask of psychological problems.

They think they are the point of the spear of the "general intellect", while they actually are the servants of the madmullahs.

The warnings of Marx about the difference between what you THINK you are and what you really ARE are forgotten and lost for these people.

196 abu jimbola  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 9:41:57am

I read "The Spike" by Bourchgrave and Moss some years ago. I actually owned the book, but in some moves it has gone missing which is very annoying. It is a very prescient book written in 1980 but very applicable today with the lies of AP and Al-Reuters taken from the socialist playbook.

This is a quote from one of the reviewers.

In these times of public health and other scares being exacerbated by the US media, it's important
to read something that puts the power of the news
media - and the fact that not everyone who spills
ink is a friend of this country - into a new perspective.
The American people too often believe that everything
that they read in the papers and see in the news is true.
The Spike is a novel whose time has come again.

I sure hope it gets re-issued. It would be a new bestseller.

197 Highrise  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 10:15:03am

#192 new_tommy

Who can we email at the AP to demand an explanation?

Your email will just find the computer "round file". I emailed them about another story I know for a fact they misled the public on and I heard a pin drop.

198 Highrise  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 10:16:51am

For pete's sakes..hillary is just the flavor of the moment with the press, just like obama.

Neither one will win the presidency (didn't say nomination but I have my doubts on that as well allbeit not as strong as the highest doubt of them winning president)..I would almost bet the farm on it.

199 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 11:32:28am
200 Arashi  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 3:48:16pm

The hatred there still frightens me, though. It's hard to stomach, and...well...to comprehend, even. Disconcerting.

201 Ledger1  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 5:03:22pm

The AP stinks!

They have contacts with terrorists who then plant “news” in the MSM to besmirch our men in uniform.

Don’t give the AP any more business. They are unworthy business people and their product is junk.

If I were Charles, I would start developing my own stringer network and remove all AP links from the website (Zombie is a good start).

202 Ledger1  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 5:04:40pm

Zombie is a good start for developing a stringer network.

203 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jan 21, 2007 7:49:27pm
204 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jan 22, 2007 4:39:56am

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