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Sun, Feb 4, 2007 at 9:17:02 am PST

The Sunday Times is reporting that the death of a top Iranian nuclear scientist was no accident: Iranian nuclear scientist ‘assassinated by Mossad’. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

It’s within the realm of possibility, but I’ll just point out that the Sunday Times has a history of being less than totally accurate when it comes to stories about Israeli intelligence.

A PRIZE-WINNING Iranian nuclear scientist has died in mysterious circumstances, according to Radio Farda, which is funded by the US State Department and broadcasts to Iran.

An intelligence source suggested that Ardeshire Hassanpour, 44, a nuclear physicist, had been assassinated by Mossad, the Israeli security service.

Hassanpour worked at a plant in Isfahan where uranium hexafluoride gas is produced. The gas is needed to enrich uranium in another plant at Natanz which has become the focus of concerns that Iran may be developing nuclear weapons.

According to Radio Farda, Iranian reports of Hassanpour’s death emerged on January 21 after a delay of six days, giving the cause as “gas poisoning”. The Iranian reports did not say how or where Hassanpour was poisoned but his death was said to have been announced at a conference on nuclear safety.

Rheva Bhalla of Stratfor, the US intelligence company, claimed on Friday that Hassanpour had been targeted by Mossad and that there was “very strong intelligence” to suggest that he had been assassinated by the Israelis, who have repeatedly threatened to prevent Iran acquiring the bomb.

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1 Luigi  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:18:15am

Is it too late to nominate the Mossad for a Nobel peace Prize?

2 shug  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:18:28am

I read at KOS that he was killed by a green balloon

3 kafir  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:18:29am

Find the critical elements of their project, and attack them. No need to destroy the centrifuges if the people whom are left are unable to use them.

4 St. Pancake  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:19:23am

I love the Mossad. You go, guys!

5 St. Pancake  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:19:59am
“gas poisoning”.

Hmmm...
Bad beans?

6 Highrise  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:20:05am

Clean them up, Israel!

7 jopa416  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:20:18am

"No need to destroy the centrifuges if the people whom are left are unable to use them"

Better yet, maybe the people who are left will attempt to use them and end up blowing them up anyway...and themselves.

8 Chicken Kiev  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:20:31am

24-hour rule, but hmmm.

Gotta start somewhere.

The Israeli army has a new leader too, General Gabi Ashkenazi who was involved in the Entebbe hostage crisis.

A new horizon? We pray...

9 paint-right  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:20:32am

Work accident?

They'll never admit it if it was.

10 Cognito  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:20:52am

V2 rockets, anyone?

11 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:21:06am

Sounds like a good start.

12 watchin  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:21:18am

Only one? Ah well, it's a start ...

13 St. Pancake  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:21:24am

Good point, paint
48 hour rule works for me.

14 THX-42  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:21:34am

Hmmm...any mention of traces of Polonium 210?

15 aaron  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:22:11am

Gee, and you would have thought that a scientist would know better than to try and heat his home with charcoal. Such a shame - I'm sure he was a very nice guy.

16 ninewhile  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:22:35am

Choking on a corn dog doesn't count as an assassination hit.

17 mama winger  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:22:54am
The Sunday Times is reporting that the death of a top Iranian nuclear scientist was no accident: Iranian nuclear scientist ‘assassinated by Mossad’.

They say that like it's a bad thing.

18 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:23:43am

Gas poisoning? The new Mossad secret weapon.

19 florya  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:24:11am

Interesting.

But is it possible to continue taking out enough key technicians? Or keep going until the Iranians come to their senses?

From a completely different conflict, " Remember, you have to be lucky all the time, we only have to be lucky once."

20 lioness  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:24:18am

The Iranians must be crapping themselves wondering how the Mossad could get that close to their top scientist...

I wonder where else they (the Mossad) are lurking?

21 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:24:22am

Polonium-210 isn't a gas...

/Poot'n did it..

22 looking closely  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:24:42am

So sad. What a tragedy.

What I want to know is how badly this individual's demise hurts the Iranian nuke program.

23 Silhouette  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:24:44am

But killing a nuclear scientist will only create more nuclear scientists!

/

24 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:25:05am

I mean, if Putin is going to try to blame Jews, why can't I blame him for this?

25 Sean  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:25:50am

Next target- Delivery systems.

They need fuel for missiles and it isn't a petroleum product most of the time. That ammonium perchlorate plant will make a big boom. Check the seismographs for a work accident soon.

26 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:25:58am

Leftist traitors, take note.

27 Globular Cluster  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:26:35am

It was da JOOZ!

28 Cognito  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:26:39am

23 Silhouette,

Hahaha -- like pulling out a gray hair. They just pop up out of the ground fully formed, with pocket protectors in place.

29 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:26:47am

#20 lioness

The Iranians must be crapping themselves wondering how the Mossad could get that close to their top scientist...

Now, we just need to start the rumor that if they don't halt the program, their penises will all fall off...

30 St. Pancake  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:27:37am

29 Earth2moonbat
Will we see that on YouTube?

31 Jack Reacher  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:28:16am
...giving the cause as “gas poisoning”


+

Hassanpour worked at a plant in Isfahan where uranium hexafluoride gas is produced.

Hmmm...

32 Colin Nelson  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:29:02am

Love these stories that are floated on the basis of "very strong intelligence" but, not a fact in sight.

Love as well the final para where the claimant, Rheva Bhalla, appears to make a quantum leap from the legitimate Israeli statements to not allow an Iranian nuc to the attribution to Mossad for direct action to poison this scientist.

What breathtaking analysis/logic from the Sunday Times.

33 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:29:33am

#18 MandyManners
Here's an undercover Mossad operative in Afghanistan using a different delivery system.

34 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:29:49am
...giving the cause as “gas poisoning”

By the time the Monday papers come out, it will be due to "climate change".

35 THX-42  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:29:52am

Seriously, why would Mossad take on such a high risk gambit for such a minimal result? There are certainly other nuclear scientists at work there and this purported assassination wouldn't even slow down the total project.

Something else is going on here, and it could be very significant.

Say for example that he did die of Polonium poisoning, as did the Russian in London. Then you have a high probability of a transfer of the final stage of a trigger mechanism for a nuke (which is the primary use of Polonium) from Iran to an operative in London.

Jack Bauer, contact Chloe ASAP.

36 right wing zephyr  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:30:33am

What do I know? But I think bigger bombs and more gas, are in order.

This report (true or not) will give Ahmadninajad a great reason to start up the Armaggedon march. Watch how this effects the drumbeat to regional war in the ME.

37 toes  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:30:54am

#18 MandyManners


LOL! Where do you find this stuff?

38 Silhouette  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:30:58am

#28 Cognito

Well, that's what they say whenever we kill a terrorist.

39 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:32:04am

33 Kilgore Trout

LOL!

I forgot to bookmark Mr. Methane in New York City. I'm gonna' find him in a few.

40 Cognito  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:32:13am

32 Colin,

I'm not sure who the ultimate source here is, but it's in line with historical tactics. And either way -- anything that makes another Iranian nuclear scientist hesitate before clocking in at the Nuke Factory is a good thing, I think.

41 THX-42  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:32:59am

Those of you automatically accepting the cause as "gas poisoning" need to re-recite the pledge regarding the 48-hour rule. Red herrings are not the breakfast food of champions.

42 pat  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:33:56am

Polonium?

43 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:34:51am

33 Kilgore Trout

If Hassanpour had been on Broadway...

44 BingoBunny  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:35:08am

God bless the warriors of Israel.. now if god could whisper in the ears of splodie dopes that they should blow up their Islamic neighbors who are appostates to clear the way for the caliphate.. it could be like a string of firecrakers.

/blood cult's natural growth

45 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:35:39am

You're all missing the alternative possibility: that he was having second thoughts about participating in the program, and become an "example". Saddam was known to send his wayward scientists to "motivational seminars".

46 looking closely  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:35:46am

Hold on a second. . .


Rheva Bhalla of Stratfor, the US intelligence company, claimed on Friday that Hassanpour had been targeted by Mossad and that there was “very strong intelligence” to suggest that he had been assassinated by the Israelis, who have repeatedly threatened to prevent Iran acquiring the bomb.

How does "Stratfor" know what's going on inside Iran?

47 Geepers  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:36:23am

And then there's this:

Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law, murdered in Madagascar

Khalifa had an extensive history in funding, plotting al-Qaeda terrorist activities; Task Force 145 likely scored the kill

48 shug  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:37:23am

47 geepers

Mohammed, RIP

rest in piss

49 THX-42  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:40:15am

Correction, #48. That's PBUH (Piss Be Upon Him). Please show the ethnically appropriate reverence here.

50 shug  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:41:32am

sorry THX

I was trying to be nice today.
Ordinarily I would have used Pig shit instead of piss

51 mbruce  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:42:36am

My tendency is to think that Mossad would not be sloppy enough to leave a trail back to them. Again there is ample evidence that Islamists make a mess themselves and then by default blame the evil JOOOS!
SO I am skeptical.

52 realwest  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:43:32am

#13 St. Pancake - Ordinarily I'd give this the 48 hour rule myself, but the "rumors" that the Mossad killed him have been circulating in the blogshere for more than 48 hours. And at least it isn't from Debka.
The NYT is, as far as I know, the only MSM to run with this story thus far.

53 benthoven  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:43:43am
"...there was “very strong intelligence” to suggest that he had been assassinated by the Israelis"

Accurate but fake... no, um Fake but Accurate... no aah... Hell, either way works for me. Perception is reality, right? Hopefully Ahmateenywad will consider this enough provocation to get this party started.

54 Max DarkSide  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:43:47am
Hassanpour worked at a plant in Isfahan where uranium hexafluoride gas is produced. ... giving the cause as “gas poisoning”.

Humm... what does Occam's razor tell us about this one?

55 mama winger  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:44:00am

Mossad VS da Bears


Discuss

56 Cognito  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:44:31am

52 realwest,

Did the NYT go with it too?

57 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:44:36am

Goody goody; I just ordered blood (my home-made matzos) for the coming Passover and was told by the Israeli website’s rep that it would be the blood of a genius Iranian nuclear engineer. Here is the site web address: [Link: www.muslimblood4passovermatzot.co.il...]

58 Cognito  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:45:07am

55 Mama Winger,

The Colts would still find a way to win.

59 shug  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:45:42am

55 mama winger

what's the spread?

PS: daaah joos

60 Colin Nelson  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:45:45am

#40 Cogito. Thanks and I totally agree with your thought.

But I wrote to express two concerns: one, I'madinnerjacket will try and use this as a casus belli and two, the Jew haters of the world will use it as amunition to support their pathological hatred of the dreaded Jew.

Personally, I do not care who got him. or if it was a simple industrial accident.

The plus is that the mythical (but based in fact) strength of Mossad is enhanced.

Drive on

61 mama winger  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:46:22am

#57 coconut

I couldn't get the page to load. Oh well, I'm not much of a cook anyway :)

62 The Sanity Inspector  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:46:39am

The story itself might be a piece of "black propaganda" by the Mossad.

63 Ma Sands  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:47:04am

#45 Earth2moonbat
...and, going that route, "they" could have discerned he'd served "their" purposes, and liquidated him just before he finished his task, thinking "they" could handle the process from here on in...probably figuring that he knew it was coming and planned to escape, so moving sooner than he thought "they" would... :) ...gets to be like that Cicilian's reasoning, in Princess Bride...

64 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:47:41am

#47 Geepers

Why would they use 20-30 people? As a smoke-screen?

65 daughter of patriots  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:47:55am

There was a former CIA operative on Fax last night saying he believed we'd be involved in war against Iran by summer, regardless of who started it.

Perhaps Israel's behind the scenes masterminding is delaying the unavoidable.

66 mama winger  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:48:25am

#59 shug

55 mama winger

what's the spread?

To tell you the truth, I don't understand the spread thing. I know win and lose, and oh look that guy got hurt. That's about it LOL!

67 Silhouette  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:48:46am

#35 THX-42

There are certainly other nuclear scientists at work there and this purported assassination wouldn't even slow down the total project.

Depends on how key he was.

Having one person be irreplaceable in either skill or knowledge is not a smart way to run things, but no one said they were smart.

68 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:48:59am

Remember the assassinations after the Munich slaughter? Perhaps Israel is acting pre-emptively.

69 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:49:02am

#64 MandyManners

Everybodty wanted in on it.

Who wouldn't want to pull the trigger on one of these hell-bats?

70 benthoven  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:49:40am
I just ordered blood (my home-made matzos) for the coming Passover and was told by the Israeli website’s rep that it would be the blood of a genius Iranian nuclear engineer.



55 mama winger
what's the spread?

Those matzos sound tastier by the minute!

71 Cognito  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:49:50am

60 Colin,

Exactly! They'll see Mossad hiding in their cupboards, lurking under their beds, crawling up from their toilets, and swinging from their ceiling fans. And maybe they'll think twice before making the green glowing stuff...

72 Colin Nelson  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:50:03am

360 sorry, sp - Cognito

73 THX-42  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:50:07am

#55 mama winger

Mossad VS da Bears

Discuss


You gotta go with Mossad. But now...
Mossad vs Ditka...tough call.

74 grayp  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:50:55am

This tells me one thing. Mossad had nothing to do with it. If they had, Iran never would give them credit for it. So somebody in Iran either set him up or fucked it up.

75 realwest  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:51:10am

#56 Cognito -Don't think so; I mispoke. When I read Charles introduction I made the rash assumption that he was talking about the NYT. Easy mistake to make.

76 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:51:13am

Chances are higher that it was done by Putin's boyz who collaborate with the Iranians. Is it too much to expect that by now the Brits have learnt something about sophisticated poisoning?

77 mama winger  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:51:19am

#73 THX

Mossad vs Ditka...tough call.

I'd have to say

Ditka

78 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:52:05am

69 Pro-Bush Canuck

Wasn't it still too many people for a Mossad operation?

79 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:52:22am

What about Mini-Ditka vs. Arriana Huffington with a switchblade?

80 shug  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:52:32am
mossaaad bersis dikka?

diiikka

/clinks beer glass. takes bite out of brat. wipes foam off moustache. burps

life is good

81 zombie  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:52:35am

Anybody here know German? I've got a paragraph of text I need translated, and both Babelfish and GoogleTranslate are producing pretty garbled results. I think I get the gist of it, but... the more clarity, the better.

The set up is, someone is returning from an excursion in Israel, and on the way they fall into a conversation with a British journalist they had met before. It continues:

Auf der Rückfahrt nach Jerusalem mache ich dann einmal mehr Bekanntschaft mit dem bemerkenswerten Selbstverständnis mancher Journalisten: Der bereits erwähnte britische Kollege beklagt sich laut und bitterlich über die Verfolgung durch Blogger. Besonders schlimm sei es während des Libanonkrieges gewesen. Wie üblich räumt er großzügig ein, es habe damals einen einzigen Fall von Bildfälschung gegeben (die läppischen Rauchwolken über Beirut), alles andere seien aber Propagandalügen von proisraelischen Bloggern gewesen. Als ein Kollege von Haaretz (!) den Fall des vermeintlich von der israelischen Luftwaffe bombardierten Krankenwagens anführt, der von Bloggern ziemlich aufwendig und eindeutig als Fälschung entlarvt worden sei, erwidert er: „It’s all lies. I saw the victims of the ambulance incident, I spoke to them. They told me they had been attacked by the Israeli Air Force although their ambulance was clearly marked. Those bloggers all have an agenda.” Haaretz: “Doesn’t everyone have an agenda? I do have one.” Brite (außer sich): “What? I am a journalist! I don’t have an agenda! I am impartial!” Klar. Gerade er.

Hmmm...?

82 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:53:01am

#78 MandyManners

I dunno, girl. There are others here who know that stuff. I'm just speculatin'.

83 Colin Nelson  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:53:13am

#71 Cognito. Like those images!

Also good to remember that Shin Bet has the same kind of reputation - but I have a feeling that they may be under closer rein in the OTs than Mossad is on the outside.

84 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:53:34am

76 Hawaiian cocoNUT

Why would the Rooskies do this?

85 x-ray  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:53:40am

#45 Earth2moonbat
Now that is a great idea! In my best Monster truck anouncer voice
Sunday, Sunday, Sunday at the Tehranodome come to Monster nuke training day!
All the people that want to kill in one easy bomb target.

86 Cognito  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:54:03am

75 realwest,

Makes sense.

As reviled as the NYT is, it's still a fair bit more reliable than the British press. Our papers make theirs look like gossipy old ladies who heard something down at the bingo hall.

87 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:55:03am

82 Pro-Bush Canuck

Speculation is fun.

88 Geepers  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:55:08am

zombie (#81),

Search Buckeye Abroad. He's fluent.

89 mama winger  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:55:11am

#80 shug

/clinks beer glass. takes bite out of brat. wipes foam off moustache. burps

life is good

It sure is :)

(I hope I have enough mustard . . .)

90 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:55:16am

#81 zombie

If you can't find anyone here I have a friend in Toronto who could whip through it. She's 100% fluent in German and English.

91 Max DarkSide  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:56:23am
Hassanpour worked at a plant in Isfahan where uranium hexafluoride gas is produced.


Uranium Hexafluoride is a solid (at room temperature), but the press reports it as a gas because...

1) They really don't know what they are talking about
2) It is centrifuged as a gas
3) All of the Above

48 hour rule applies.

92 realwest  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:56:49am

#74 grayp - VERY interesting point. As was the idea that Putin's boys had something to do with it.
I frankly don't care who did, I'm just glad that someone did.
BTW, if you aren't into the SuperBowl pre-game show that started at FOX last Friday, I think (!),
St. Pancake tipped us all off to the "PUPPY BOWL III" on the Animal Planet at 3:00PM today.

93 MSMediaCritic  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:57:05am

zombie,

I don't know German but I want you to know I've been busy killing some of your friends for the past couple of days.

I am fixing someone's laptop -- it has been zombified multiple times. Thought about reformatting and starting over, but we can't get all of the installation CD's.

Please don't take it personally...

94 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:57:30am

#81 zombie

it has only one case of picture falsification (the läppischen smoke clouds over Beirut), to everything else however propaganda lies of per-Israeli Bloggern was given at that time.


You're right, the google translation stinks but they're talking about something interesting.

95 Thor-Zone  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:58:12am

If this is true - WAY TO GO ISREAL!

Sadly, this story about the Mossad is probably not true, and secondarily, it will create problems for Isreal moving forward.

Don't get me wrong, it is a good thing Dr. Death died of whatever it was that he died of. Anything that slows down the Iranian march toward getting their own nukes is a very good thing.

I am worried about how the Iranians and others in the middle east will react to the supposed story of Isreal killing one of Iran's top scientists.

The seething will start in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

96 THX-42  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 7:58:19am

#79 Pro-Bush Canuck

What about Mini-Ditka vs. Arriana Huffington with a switchblade?


Question: would Mini-Ditka be with or without pads?

97 shug  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:00:14am

zombie,

I put the text into [Link: www.freetranslation.com...]

garbled !


but it does seem to be attacking the theories of you and others that your ambulance report was biased and inaccurate because you have an agenda

98 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:01:19am

#96 THX-42

Both without.

99 Cognito  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:01:31am

96 THX,

That really made me chuckle.

100 realwest  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:01:47am

#81 zombie - If ya can find him, Buckeye Abroad is fluent in German (course he's always traveling as well, so it might be hard to reach him).

101 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:02:14am

#96 THX-42

Although I should mention that Arianna recently had her entire hide botoxed, so that counts as leather padding.

102 Geepers  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:02:28am

MandyManners (#64),

Why would they use 20-30 people? As a smoke-screen?

Force protection. You run into any stiff resistance you want to be able to extricate yourselves.

The last thing you need is Special Forces guys dead in Madagascar.

That or it really was a "robbery" with a couple dozen commando types that wanted a TV really bad.

103 zombie  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:02:53am

Here's my attempt at a translation (don't mock me, please!):

On the return trip to Jerusalem, I once again make an acquaintance with the remarkable self-understanding of some journalists: The British colleague previously mentioned deplores himself bitterly over pursuit by bloggers. It was particularly bad during the Lebanon war. As usual [it grants generously?], they had only one case of picture falsification (the overlapping smoke clouds over Beirut), and then everything else [was presented as] propaganda lies of pro-Israeli bloggers at that time. To a colleague from Haaretz(!) , [the Brit journalist] answers that the case of the ambulance bombarded allegedly by the Israeli Air Force, which was exposed ny bloggers rather thoroughly and clearly as a falsification: "It' s all real! I saw the victims of the ambulance incident, I spoke to them. They told me that they had been attacked by the Israeli Air Force although their ambulance was clearly marked. Those bloggers all have an agenda.” Haaretz: “Doesn' t everyone have at agenda? I cdertainly have one.” The Brit (excepting himself): “What? I am a journalist! I don' t have at agenda! I'm impartial!” Clearly. [He's a straight one.]

I'm probably way off!

104 THX-42  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:05:02am

By the way Charles, we desperately need a thread on guacamole recipes ASAP! We've only got a few hours before kickoff and I've got global chilling working on my industrial strength Margarita (the drink, not my babe) here in Santa Barbara (Motto: Always wind chill +78F.).

Something spicy. Maybe like something a Mossad chef might concoct, but not quite as lethal.

105 shug  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:05:07am
106 Maximu§  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:05:28am

Right on Isreal!

I hope this story is true and the CIA shoulda taken out that POS Pakistani scientist who spread the technology years ago.

107 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:08:19am

102 Geepers

When the Mossad took down those responsible for Munich, they did not send in such numbers even when they were in unfriendly nations. *That* is what puzzles me. Maybe they changed their MO for plausible deniability.

108 hous bin pharteen  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:08:56am

#47 Geerpers

Probably just a group of guys sitting around waiting for the Super Bowl and their TV broke. So they went across the street, killed this guy, and stole his TV.
You do know more domestic violence is commited on Super Bowl Sunday than any other day.

109 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:09:47am

#84
"Why would the Rooskies do this?"
I can think about 2 main reason (or the combo of the two):

1. The Iranian guy had the potential to make the Russkis unnecessary for the Iranian nuclear enterprise (no money for Russia)
Or:
2. The Russkies are afraid they are losing control of the entire Iranian Nuclear enterprise- which if you think about it- Russia with its many neighboring Muslim states (including Iran) endanger Mother Russia if Russia loses control.

110 Yank in the EU  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:10:24am

I find it definately strange that the Times of London would run a story alleging, even by attribution to third party, that the "Mossad assassinated a scientist" on the basis of such flimsy evidence. One also has to call into question whether the decision by Stratfor to make such a claim without concrete evidence was responsible. I've been noticing for a while now that Stratfor's interests appear to reflect much more a political agenda than "objective assessments of raw intelligence data."

On the other hand, it's not surprising that British journalists in particular would toss out the allegation that the Israeli government did it.

111 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:10:51am

#103 zombie

Here's my attempt at a translation (don't mock me, please!):

Your translation smells like week-old Hasenfeffer!

You look like Fräulein from der Silly School!

112 THX-42  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:10:56am

#101 Pro Bush Canuck
Last question. Seriously. I mean it, man.

RE Huffington's pads. Without external AND internal pads?

Then you gotta go with the Huff. Never mess with the PMS (even if you're wearing your Gray Cup...or is it the Grey Cup? I can never remember).

113 zombie  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:12:14am
#97 shug
I put the text into [Link: [Link: www.freetranslation.com...]...]

garbled !

Ahhh, that's interesting though! Your garbled translation combined with the Babelfish garbled translation practically sorts out the whole thing!

Thanks!

And thanks to everyone who mentioned Buckeye Abroad. If i see him, I'll ask him too.

114 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:14:10am

#112 THX-42

Huff be one bad-ass broad in a knife fight.

/Grey Cup

115 Geepers  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:17:03am

MandyManners (#107),

Task Force 145 is a military group.

The Munich operations; WrathofG-d, were a different animal.

Hey WrathofG-d, your linky no worky no more.

116 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:19:47am

In the course of searching on more background info on this story, I came across this pablum: Israel assassinated 310 Iraqi scientists as part of joint US-Israeli program.

Nothing quite like reading through the dregs of the Internet. Conspiracy theories and wackaloons abound.

This could have been a false flag op designed to make it appear that Israel was behind the attack - make Iran think twice, but I think any such plan would result in Iran redoubling its efforts. More here.

117 Colin Nelson  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:20:54am

#110. Yank. Echo all those thoughts. Strange story all around.

Thanks for your assessment on Stratfor? Do you have anything else on this "intel org"?

118 Canadhimmis  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:26:45am

I never suspected that Christiane would be involved in development of the Iranian nukes. I always thought she was nothing but an airhead.

...oops...not that Hassanpour?

119 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:29:04am
I read at KOS that he was killed by a green balloon

Bwahahaaa! Shug, ya kill me!
Now if I can just keep "99 Luftbaloons" outta my head ... no, no such luck!


Probably just a group of guys sitting around waiting for the Super Bowl and their TV broke.

SuperBowl. I keep heering of dees "SuperBowl". Que es esto? Algo que los Gringos hacen todos los an~os?

120 Colin Nelson  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:30:12am

Just checked on this 'Stratfor' thingee.

If a quick read of the mission statement does not raise all sorts of flags nothing will.

These guys wouldn't even know how to go about getting ops int - they are bogus.

Looks like open source stuff to me not field work.

Here is a short quote ; "Stratfor specializes in providing situational awareness, focused insight and actionable intelligence in the areas of geopolitics, security and public policy"

Talk about consultant speak..."situational awareness",.."focused insight" - what a pile of bilge

121 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:30:31am
55 mama winger
what's the spread?

I could say so much, but I'm gonna bite my lengua

122 Yank in the EU  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:33:15am

#103 zombie

I can help a bit.

bemerkenswerten Selbstverständnis -- is better "notable self-perception" or sometimes it can mean "personal mission in life"

britische Kollege beklagt sich laut und bitterlich über die Verfolgung durch Blogger
-- is better "British collegue complains loadly and bitterly about his pursuit by bloggers" (pursuit, lol)

Wie üblich räumt er großzügig ein -- I think, this would be "As usual he clarifies generously"

The rest seems to be in decent shape. Gerade er -- is like "Direct, he is."

123 realwest  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:34:14am

#86 Cognito - Mom just told me she heard this
Mossad story on Fox TV yesterday; Fox didn't see fit to go with a 48 hour rule, I gather.

124 Ariel  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:39:23am

Well, rumor has it that the Mossad did take out many of the chief scientists for the Egyptian program, when it was being helped out by Nazis who had escaped to Egypt. I only hope that the story is true and they are not going to stop going after them - but honestly, given Olmert, I doubt it.

125 Yank in the EU  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:41:38am

#117 Colin Nelson

Stratfor, I think, does have some ex-military intel people, along with civilian scholar types, who provide predictions mainly to companies about where it might be dangerous to invest. I've read a few of their reports that require a prescription and they do have very good knowledge of the practical realities in some of these Islamic countries. If you were going to Iraq, for example, and wanted to know where to go and even who to contact, it might be a good source. But nothing I saw was fantastic in terms of military intel.

126 shaken  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:46:04am

Died in a hail of green balloons.

127 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:46:50am

Remember the P-L bumper sticker:

"WHAT WOULD THE MOSSAD DO ?"

128 Yank in the EU  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:47:19am

BTW, I don't think I'd have a problem with killing these Iranian nuclear scientists, it's just that serious journalists and intel companies should not be making these kinds of allegations. It affects people's perception of Israel, and the truth is no evidence has been presented.

129 1AmeriCAN  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:48:46am

Red Herring + chance to make the Israelis look bad = another smooth move by Ahmadninajad

Ardeshire Hassanpour could be the Gulf of Tonkin excuse they've been looking for.

130 realwest  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:48:54am

#115 Geepers - Good explanation and excellent link. Thanks.

131 pegcity  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:52:28am

i love how the media and the arabs make mossad out to be superhuman killing machines.

132 Idle Drifter  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:52:49am

Isn't uranium hexafluoride gas not only toxic but corrosive as well. A horrible way to die if the poor bastard was directly hit by pure gas from a ruptured pipe.

133 eachus  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 8:59:55am

What you really need to know about uranium hexafluoride (UF6) is that all the early scientists who studied fluorine died young. How to store and transport fluorine safely wasn't until the Manhattan Project. As for how to make fluorine from minerals, well an industrial chemist I know told me that the only safe was is in a completely automated process with no one in the building--and the building needs to have water sprays and lots of sand in it. (Fluorine reacts with water to form hydrofluoric acid (HF), AKA hydrogen fluoride gas. This reacts with silicon dioxide (sand or glass) to form silicon fluoride (SiF2)* and water.

Both gaseous fluorine and hydrogen fluoride are deadly. Worse is that exposure is cumulative. This is what killed off all the early chemists who worked with fluorine. They thought after getting ill and recovering they could continue their research. So it is not unlikely that a scientist who was an expert at working with UF6 was near his lifetime dose of fluorine. A minor leak could kill him and leave everyone else in the room alive.

For that matter it would be an interesting targeted poison for Mossad. In a dry climate, even a poisoned letter might get to the scientist with enough adsorbed HF to kill him. You could even coat the inside of the envelope with Teflon (C2F2)^n

* People can live with SiF2, or at least it will kill them very slowly. This is the argument against fluoridated water in cities. Fluoridation uses Stannous Fluoride SnF2, but it can react with sand in filtration plants or even in water pipes to form some SiF2. The SiF2 won't kill most people--or it may in a thousand years or so. But there are people who have already had too much exposure to fluorine, and the silicon fluoride in the water can shorten their lifespans by a few years. If bones are healthy, they grow faster than fluoridated water can affect them. But for those over-exposed to fluorine the bones are anything but healthy.

134 pegcity  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:01:27am

everyone please read the book Raid on the Sun

you can get a used copy off amazon for 4 dollars.

Goes into detail about how mossad assasinated scores of Iraqi nuclear scientists.

135 BulgarWheat  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:04:58am

If somehow has the time, how about posting the names, addresses, and pictures of all of these Iranian Nuclear Scientists? (Along with their Russian/North Korean colleagues, please!)

Thanks, yer pal Bulgar...

136 SpiritOf1683  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:06:48am

It seems he must have taken part in one of those Shia self-mutilation ceremonies and accidently topped himself.

/Need I say any more

137 BulgarWheat  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:13:07am

#115 Geepers

If you're reading about TF 145, then that's no longer their designation.

I remember the Thursday following 9/11, listening to the President speak to the nation. I'd driven 11 hours home from Birmingham because no one was going to be flying for a while.

The President said to the entire country, "The American people are not going to hear about all of our victories, they are not going to hear about all of our battles..."

These men are out there everyday, all across this world fighting on our behalf. Most of the things they are doing we'll never find out about. We just have to be confident and believe in them and support them.

If you've heard a name attributed to them, then that designation is already in the past. There are no Jack Bauer's in this world, they are much better than that.

138 republic  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:25:53am

I have a strong hunch that this Iranian scientist was in fact killed by the Iranians themselves, maybe because he was not operating the way that they wanted, maybe he stood in the way of advancement of the Iranian nuclear program somehow, and what better way, to kill their own, and then try and blame it on Israel.

"Council to ahmadinnerjcaket",

"Sir, the top nuclear scientists is standing in the way of our acheiving nuclear weapons"

"ahmadinnerjacket",

"Then have him killed, and we'll blame the Israeli's for it, after all, most of the world already blames Israel for anything wrong in the world, the world will believe us, and it will increase the hatred of Israel in the worlds eyes."

139 David2  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:30:05am

This sounds like the killing of Gerald Bull by Mossad back in the eighties. He was working for Iraq on a very large gun that would shoot at the Israelis.

140 ziggy  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:30:32am

I hope the Mosad killed him (i have my doubts about that)and I hope others will soon meet the same fate. It's a less costly way of derailing the Iranian nucular program.

141 Airedale  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:35:16am

so whats up with the link to this Iranian story ?

SORRY, TIMES ONLINE HAS GONE TO THE PUB

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

142 Geepers  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:36:35am

BulgarWheat (#137),

Well ya can't call 'em the Task Force formally know as 145. ;-)

There are no Jack Bauer's in this world, they are much better than that.

Much better.

I know a friend of a relative who was invited to one of their funerals. Truly amazing guys.

Lots of top brass there showing thier respect you'll be glad to know.

143 sojerofgod  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:38:30am

I think that this guy in Iran simply forgot to let the centrifuge come to a complete stop before opening the lid. I do that to the washing machine here all the time. That said, the Iranians (who are so much better than us at propaganda its embarrassing) leak the baloney that he was killed by the Mossad. Like-thinking individuals in the press, that is, antisemites posing as journalists pick up the story and spread it. Muslims around the world nod to each other and mutter, the Jews are at it again. More fodder for the exterminationist view.

War is coming. All the events up to this point have been mere skirmishes.

144 BulgarWheat  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:40:43am

#142 Geepers

Ooh, Rah!

God Bless every last one of them!

145 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:43:12am

Whoever "dunnit" I'd hate to be underwriting worker's com insurance in Iran.

-S-

146 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:44:18am

I'd like to think the Mossad- or some Western intelligence agency- did it, and plans more operations like this. Anything to slow down the Mullah's mad nucular program. This sounds like the old" blame the Jews" game, though. It could have been the Brits, the CIA, Jack Bauer, even the Russians.
Maybe he was poisoned with polonium.

147 BulgarWheat  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:49:12am

...it was mentioned in one of the dead-threads this morning.

Iraqi Nuke Scientists began dropping like flies right before they took out Osirak (sp).

one can only hope that this is a reliable trend of the past and the future.

148 trip  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:50:47am

I really doubt that Israel had anything to do with his death! It is yet another attempt to blame the Jew and Israel for anything and everything in an attempt to cast a bad light on all things Jewish and Israeli - remember Hitler's kristallnacht! People will accuse anyone, or a particular group of people, for anything as long as it furthers there agenda and will benefit themselves! I do not care that he died - he was attempting to build nukes to destroy Israel, but I do not believe that it was anyone with any connection to Israel, and until I am proven incorrect, I will not, no, cannot, believe, any accusations that his death was as a result of Mossad, or any Jew or Israeli. History is a good teacher - learn from it!

149 CowardKerry  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:51:00am

About time.

150 Jim in Virginia  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 9:59:13am

104 THX 42:
(if you're still here.)
Guacamole:
No quantities- taste it as you make it.
Mash up some avocados
Add a little lemon juice
Add chopped tomatoes, onions, cilantro.
Salt and pepper to taste. Add cayenne or tabasco or similar hot sauce.
Toss in some beer (Shiner Bock is especially good.)

Eat. Smile. Drink more beer.

151 friarstale  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 10:04:38am
According to Radio Farda, Iranian reports of Hassanpour’s death emerged on Jan. 21 after a delay of six days, giving the cause as “gas poisoning”.

it's possible these jokers just poisoned themselves by accident

they could have had a leak, perhaps they are rushing production and cutting safety corners

remember, Chernobyl exploded because they weren't following safety protocols

in the US, the Three Mile Island meltdown was due to improper maintenance practices, among other things

I wonder how much of the Iranian nuke bomb program is being rushed to meet some political or religious driven deadline

heh, get it?
deadline?
who they gonna blame if there's a bona fide nuke accident?

152 angst  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 10:09:48am

#137 Bulgar wheat
Thanks for reminding us of what the Pres. said. I truly hope you are right- I believe that you are, because it's what will save lives in the end.

I guess this lays to rest the old ethics mind-game about "If it could be done, would going back in time and killing Hilter be the right thing to do?"

153 MandyManners  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 10:18:09am

#133 eachus

Excellent first post!

154 de La Valette  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 10:21:33am

If there is any truth to this, then my compliments to the chef.

I wonder if those Russian techs have escalation clauses in their contracts?

155 Golem Akbar  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 10:22:53am

Oh, I see. Mossad killed Arafat with some sort of death ray. Maybe poison gas. Then the Iranian nuclear dude. Another death ray? Or poison gas. The Mossad is going to get DinnerJacket, next. Note to Iran: be afraid! The Mossad can't be stopped.

(a little fear is a good thing)

156 cbphil001  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 10:38:10am

The gas was probably the airplane glue he was huffing and the fuzzy chinned ones are trying to put the best spin on it they can.

157 WrathofG-d  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 10:39:07am

Long Live The World Wide Zionist Cabal

Be afraid...be very very afraid...

I just want to mention that it was I who brought up this idea at the last "Elders of Zion" meeting. I knew they weren't going to give me any credit. Moshe is sooo like that...he is probably going around saying it was his idea...just like the whole New Orleans Hurricane thing...

(well at least now I know why my check was slow)

158 percopius  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 10:51:24am

faster please.

159 mardukhai  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 11:00:47am

A dime to your nickel that it was written by...

UZI MAHNAIMI, the most relentless forger in the history of journalism.

But their site is down and I can't check.

160 anotherindyfilmguy  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 11:03:02am

Sounds like a work accident sans car swarm...

161 southernborn  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 11:04:49am

I bow to Israel...
Give these Iranian sobs enough time and they ll blow their own arses up they cant even refine oil

162 mj  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 11:15:37am

#159 mardukhai

I've been trying to check that too and for exactly the same reason you have. Unfortunately, like you, I haven't been able to get into the site either. My guess is that the story is another fake by UZI MAHNAIMI.

163 jms  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 11:19:53am

I think that this is most likely a work accident.

UF6 is a solid at room conditions, but vaporises into a gas at only 130 F at room pressures. Any contact with moisture would cause a violent reaction producing lethal hydroflouric acid and a lot of heat, which would vaporize more UF6. Note that this "contact with moisture" can occur inside the lungs if the gas is inhaled.

Which is more likely, that Mossad engineered a bizarre, exotic "gas attack" assassination against someone who just happened to work with poisonous gasses, or that someone in Hassanpour's lab accidently exposed some UF6 to moisture and caused a fatal accident, which they are blaming on Mossad to cover their asses.

If Mossad had actually penetrated the Iranian nuclear program, and was making their move now, they would have done a lot more than kill off one scientist.

164 NY Nana  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 11:22:14am

#162 mj

Right you and Charles and others are. Here are the goods on him. It is a month old, but certainly sounds like he is at it yet again. WTF has happened to The Times?

165 NY Nana  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 11:24:20am

#159 Mardukhai

You win! Remind me never to bet against you!

166 itellu3times  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 11:55:08am

Yeah, they booby-trapped the quarks.

167 DocMartyn  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 11:56:39am

I read last year that a major problem the Iranians had with their cascade was that during assembly, they were leaving fingerprints on the centrifuge rotors.
Think about that. The didn't wear gloves when putting the rotors togeather. My guess is that he used the jar of UF6 rather than the sugar in his tea.

168 Colin Nelson  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 12:32:37pm

#125, 128, Yank. Thanks for your come back on Stratfor.

Agreed. From what I saw, seems to me any serious mil int guy would not be fronted by a soft outfit like this.

Agree as well re: to the whacking of any Iranian nuc scientist, but, the source here (Stratfor) and its totally unsubstantiated assertions against Mossad is over the top.

169 Amy  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 1:13:46pm

zombie:

Here's the translation (I got the gist, but not all of it; one of my brothers, who knows German better than I do, was gracious enough to do it for me):

So on the way back to Jerusalem I get better acquainted with the remarkable idea that journalists have of themselves. The aforementioned British colleague complained loudly and bitterly about being persecuted by bloggers. It was particularly bad, according to him, during the Lebanon war. As usual, he generously granted that there was one case of a faked photo (the silly clouds of smoke over Beirut), but everything else was propagandistic lies from pro-Israel bloggers. When a colleague from Haaretz(!) brought up the case of the ambulance that was supposedly bombed by the Israeli Air Force, and was revealed pretty quickly and clearly as a fake by bloggers, he responded: "It's all lies. I saw the victims of the ambulance incident, I spoke to them. They told me they had been attacked by the Israeli Air Force although their ambulance was clearly marked. Those bloggers all have an agenda. " Haaretz: "Doesn't everyone have an agenda? I do have one." Brit (beside himself): "What? I am a journalist! I don't have an agenda! I am impartial!." Yeah, sure. Him of all people.

170 zombie  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 2:08:42pm
#122 Yank in the EU

Thanks for the tips.

#169 Amy

Ahh, now that's a professional translation! Flawless. Thanks!

171 byzantium  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 2:28:59pm

Wonderful news. may the fattest, most rancid she-demon in hell sit on his face for the next 90 million years.

172 Amy  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 2:47:29pm

zombie -

I was glad to be of service in recruiting my brother to be of service. Or something like that... ;)

173 Sura 109  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 3:00:50pm

Fars News Agency calls shenanigans

Following a report released by the weekly 'Sunday Times' about assassination of an Iranian nuclear scientist called Ardeshir Hossein-pour by Israel's Moussad, an informed source told FNA that Hossein-pour, a Shiraz University professor, was in no way connected to Iran's Uranium Conversion Facility (UCF) in Isfahan and that he had been suffocated by fumes from a faulty gas fire in sleep.

More from Google News.

Iran has much to gain from playing up the Mossad-done-it angle (though the claim that Mossad can't operate in Iran has some propaganda value, too). Some of those links from Google News say Mossad-done-it as fact, and have an obvious agenda.

174 bretwalda  Sun, Feb 4, 2007 3:45:30pm

Go Israel! I hope this is the case, if not, good riddance anyway.

175 piso mojado  Mon, Feb 5, 2007 3:16:54am

It's good either way. The mope is dead and either the Mossad did it, or the mullahs are imagining that they did. Can't improve their sleep any way you look at it and it never hurts for the enemy to fear the prowess of your intelligence operatives.


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