ny times week in review did a piece on hirsi ali today ... totally did NOT do her justice

Darl ul Harb? WTF is that?
/clueless multitude

So Tony Blair is a Chimpy too?

Flew out of Newark with my wife and three young kids last week to Fort Lauderdale and the security actually confiscated our sealed egg salad container and little mini-pudding containers. But just a few feet away, the lady manning the x-ray machine was wearing a Muslim head scarf. When I asked the supervisor if it was wise to have the fox guarding the hens, he grew real testy and told me to move on. He then must've told her my remarks because she soon after went to buy something and kept glaring at me.

Does it take a rocket scientist to realize that by having a Muslim checking for weapons, the terrorists have it that much easier if they want to sneak a weapon on-board?

Sorry for the early, but this fits in line with the MSM's attempt to deceive us and get us all killed.
ore insanity from the AP:

Palestinian factions attempt truce By KARIN LAUB, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 19 minutes ago

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Hamas gunmen attacked bases of Fatah-allied troops with mortars and rocket-propelled grenades early Sunday, part of a four-day campaign by the Islamic militants to weaken the security forces loyal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

As night fell, efforts were underway to restore a truce. Gunmen pulled back from their positions, to be replaced by police officers. Both sides began to exchange hostages and joint Hamas-Fatah forces patrolled streets to monitor the cease-fire. Previous truces have quickly broken down.

In the West Bank, a strategy session by Fatah leaders ended in a shouting match, with some participants demanding Abbas' party take a tougher stand against Hamas in the struggle for control of the Palestinian government, and others pushing to give a mediation effort by Saudi Arabia a chance. In one particularly angry exchange, participants threw an empty cup and a shoe at each other, witnesses said.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Charles - read Crittenden carefully, sorta scanned the other two (one of whom was commenting on Crittenden anyway) and it seems almost inescapable: in Europe, at least, bringing the war "home" starting with Muslims who've sided with the "Crusaders" makes sense from Al-Q's perspective.
However, I'm not so sure that extending those types of attacks to malls, office building and the like will necessarily produce the result that Al-Q hopes for.
The French, who don't have a clue anyway, have mostly been faced with property damage - burning autos and except for the subway/bus bombers, the same is true of Britain. If Al-Q starts acting like an undisciplined IRA (which, IIRC called in advance notice of bombings so civilians could be evacuated) and starts aimlessly murdering non-Muslim Brits and perhaps even French people, methinks Europe will begin to get a real understanding of Bush's "fight them in Iraq, not here" attitude.

The last mention of it I'm seeing on CNN was Friday, unless I'm missing it.

5 Joseph

wow, but no surprise. Liberalism in inaction.

OT - I just noted that it's likely we'll go over 3,500,000 comments today.
Wonder what the 3,500,000 poster will win? A free "subscription" to LGF?

Well the AP wrote about it.

They spoke to two people about the incident:

"There is no evidence, that we know of, but pure speculation, statements from the home secretary, houses raided and the media frenzy," said Tariq Mahmood, who lives in the area where some of the arrests took place.

Moazzam Begg, ... , also criticized media coverage of the arrests.

"I hope that when the truth manifests itself that, metaphorically, heads will roll with the people who put out these stories in the first place," he told the meeting…

Tariq Mahmood

Tariq Mahmood, a 30-year-old father-of-two from Birmingham, visiting Pakistan in connection with a family land matter, is believed to have been arrested by Pakistani authorities in Islamabad and bundled to Guantanamo Bay. His wife and children are in Sparkhill.

Moazzam Begg

President Bush released Moazzam Begg over the objections of the Pentagon, the CIA, and the FBI, who warned that Mr. Begg could still be a dangerous terrorist.

As Sweetness & Light say:

The AP always finds such objective sources.

That's because they're unbiased.

Their MSM will only SCREAM at Govt, "WHY wasn't this prevented with all means possible, WHY weren't we warned, ...!" And then they'll promptly go back to preaching kumbaya dhimmitude -- just as they did after 9/11, 7/7, and other atrocities.

#6 ted

As night fell, efforts were underway to restore a truce.

Their truces are like my diet: the time in between meals and snacks.

#10 realwest
Their are already too many free subscriptions, I'm afraid.

O'wise Charles could hire some help, and get some young legs to peddle his bike...

And seriously, I was thinking that he could probably use some Volunteers assigned to review different media outlets.

Which doesn’t mean that should such a campaign begin here, the US government would shy away from taking drastic measures (or else risk vigilantism and the rise of internal militias, under worst-case scenarios)

Why do I like the sound of that so much?

[Link: proteinwisdom.com...]

OT, overwhelming bias and BS
Australia's first Muslim lifesavers ride the waves at Cronulla
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

A BAN ON 'VICTORY'

February 4, 2007 -- Question: When is a U.S. military victory not a victory?

Answer: When it's reported by The New York Times.

Read the account from Baghdad in the Jan. 30 Times about a battle the previous weekend in the city of Najaf - one of the biggest engagements of the war - and you'd think that U.S. and Iraqi forces had suffered a terrible defeat at the hands of what was described as "an obscure renegade militia."

"Iraqi forces were surprised and nearly overwhelmed by the ferocity" of the fighters arrayed against them, read the piece by correspondent Marc Santora, who added, "They needed far more help from American forces than previously disclosed."

Not until the article's sixth paragraph - 200 words into the 1,100-word piece - did this sentence appear: "The Iraqis and Americans eventually prevailed in the battle."

Or, as Wellington said after defeating Napoleon at Waterloo, "It was a damned close-run thing" - but the good guys won.

So why wasn't this the lead of the Times' story? Given the way things have been going, it would seem to be an unusual enough development to warrant prominent attention.

Maybe because the Times doesn't want America to win in Iraq. ...

...The paper's chief military correspondent, Michael Gordon, went on PBS' "Charlie Rose Show" recently, and expressed qualified support for President Bush's troop surge - noting that "we've never really tried to win" in Iraq.

Stressing that this was "a purely personal view," Gordon declared: "I think that if it's done right, I think that there is the chance to accomplish something."

Not exactly controversial stuff there. But Gordon's editors and some of his left-wing readers deemed it offensive.

As Times Public Editor Byron Calame disclosed last Sunday, Gordon was upbraided by his editors, who declared that he'd "stepped over the line" on the show and offered "poorly worded shorthand for some analytical points."

Gordon, the column said, "agrees his comments on the show went too far."

Too far?

Interestingly, Times editors never seem to have a problem with remarks by other reporters - provided they attack the Bush administration.

Consider correspondent Chris Hedges' infamous 2003 commencement address at Rockford College, where he charged that Americans were becoming "tyrants to others weaker than ourselves," and linked Bush to Vladimir Putin and Ariel Sharon - whom he said were "carrying out acts of gratuitous and senseless violence."

Nor, as the Web site Timeswatch.org points out, was there any reprimand of correspondent Neil McFarquhar, who last summer also appeared on Charlie Rose's show and at tacked the Bush administration for "rush ing bombs to this part of the world."

"It just erodes and erodes and erodes America's reputation," said McFarquhar - who, unlike Gordon, did not even offer the disclaimer that his was "a purely personal view."

From the Times, silence. ...

Anybody remember ( of course you do ) the Russian agent that died of the poisoning due to that nuclear cloak and dagger intrigue tiff ?
Now there was a story about the Iranian scientist that died recently. Could some sort of nuclear cloak and dagger intrigue link the two cases ?

just sayin

They simply don’t care about this kind of stuff, because it doesn’t advance their primary agenda—to gain political power, and defeat the evil Chimpy.

Actually, the way I see it, it kind of shoots a hole in Bush's 'democracy will defeat the hateful ideology' meme he used as justification for the Iraq adventure.

Oh brother.

Airedale

IMHO:

KGB killed one for dissin' Putin.
___

One Iranian scientist got gassed b/c they're in way over their heads and have TONS of pressure on them. Past that, the story is being gamed/planted as whodunit.

OT-The MSM and your average LLL will tell you the terrorists in Iraq are just regular Iraqis who want the US out of their country, Iraq.

Yet

The Iraqi government said on Sunday that half the Sunni Muslim militants behind the bombings shaking the country had arrived through neighboring Syria.

#19 troll

You forgot to mention Halliburton and Abu Graib.

/the saudis will not be happy, you will not get your limo...

#17 J.D.
The NYT sees e'thing thru hate-colored blinders. They and their die-hard but dwindling readers don't see the treason, sedition, racism, bigotry, lack of ethics whenever it suits their agendas -- right in front of their eyes.

Charles:

If you relied on left-wing blogs for your news, you’d be completely unaware of the last two or three Islamic terrorist plots thwarted in Britain. They simply don’t care about this kind of stuff, because it doesn’t advance their primary agenda—to gain political power, and defeat the evil Chimpy.

It's more than just that. It's not that the Left "don't care" about these topics; it's that they actively seek to suppress these concepts from even being raised!

Many Marxist and similar philosophers -- whose ideas have been so internalized in mainstream Leftist thought that most Americans don't even know their espousing a Marxist viewpoint -- speak at length about "controlling the narrative," which is doublespeak for manipulating information to promote a revolutionary agenda. They know that the mere discussion of terrorism undermines their cause, so such topics are purposely ignored. Instead, they promote their own fantasy news, such as Global Warming and yadda yadda, all of which is designed to elicit the desired reponse in the public. 95% of "journalists" these days are taught to be "advocates" for "progressive" memes.

It hardly even matters how such topics are covered in the news: what matters is what is covered at all.

That's why LGF, premiere among the blogs, is such a radical sea-change in the public discourse: all Charles needs to do is relentlessly bring up the Topic the Dare Not Speak Its Name. That act alone is enough to slay the MSM.

#19 ChenZhen

Actually, the way I see it, it kind of shoots a hole in Bush's 'democracy will defeat the hateful ideology' meme he used as justification for the Iraq adventure.

(1) Cheezy use of the straw-man argument. Try not to insult people's intelligence so trollishly like that

(2) You fail to account for the point of the thread: the thundering silence of the leftist blogs on the beheading plot.

#1 buzzsawmonkey
The leftist blogs aren't interested because they want to head off discussion of such things.

You basically said the same thing I said, but more concisely, and first!

I need to retire before I start embarrassing myself.

When a group is trying to kill you, you have two choices:

Convince them to act civilized or kill them. Pardon us for trying civilization first.

Well, I guess there is a third choice: just die, so no one gets offended.

#20 Charles
Was it

the Iraq adventure

part that did it for you?

#25 Zombie

They know that the mere discussion of terrorism undermines their cause

Your diagnosis is accurate IMHO.

"There is no terrorist threat"
Michael "Beslan" Moore

We have names like Fannie, Pussy Galore...

A government investigation into the violence released last year found that a combination of racism on the part of some local residents and the criminality of some Middle Eastern youths was to blame for the mayhem. [catch the dbl-Std.?]

Newly trained Muslim lifeguard Mecca Laa Laa, who will wear a full body covering known as the 'burkini' when patrolling the waves, said she felt as entitled as any other Australian to enjoy the country's iconic beaches.

#23 Poitiers-Lepanto 2/4/2007 11:36AM PST

You forgot to mention Halliburton and Abu Graib.

/the saudis will not be happy, you will not get your limo...

I wonder if Blair ever said "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here". I forgot that one too.

#29 J.D.

..or the bicycle chauffer?

Meanwhile, a note to the "violence never solves anything" crowd:

A NATO air strike has killed a Taliban commander behind an insurgent takeover of a small southern Afghanistan town, as a US general took command of the 35,000-strong NATO-led force.

A Taliban spokesman said meanwhile the fighters were ready to "hand over" the town of of Musa Qala, which they captured overnight Friday, if the government and foreign forces agreed "they won't bomb again."

Killed the commander, and they surrendered.

#34 Iron Fist

/Have you been drinking?! Or did CZ just peg your BS meter?

#35 Silhouette
The old "cut off the head" strategery...

#16 cbinflux

Did you notice it took longer to train them? Was it their burkas or are they not such good swimmers or maybe they couldn't convince them to touch (save) us infidels?

Pardon the ignorance but, who/what is Chimpy?

#32 troll

I am glad to see you agree with me that we should fight the islamofascist invasion at home as well abroad until we have destroyed this mortal threat to the human civilization.

Yes, Bush and Blair SHOULD have said "Let's fight them in Afghanistan, in Iraq and wherever they try to built a safe haven for terrorism, and this includes stopping the islamofascist invasion of the West ( the muslim immigration), and we will keep the muslim community under tight control, for the sake of peace and freedom of the People at home".

And they should have stopped financing the paleo terrorists too.

And applied the existing laws to punish the traitors who have leaked news that helped the enemy.

And they should punish the traitors who conspire with the enemy (Kerry, Fonda, etc.).

All true.

I probably forgot a sarc tag about CZ agreeing with me...

/and this is a LOL tag

#39
VIVA Chimpy!
4 More Years!

Okay, so when 9/11 took place, and the F.B.I. said subsequently that within two years schools & such would begin blowing up, my immediate thought was for my youngest son still in highschool...and when the two years were gone, I had always wondered what that had been all about...guess I know now.

#39 MandyManners
Pardon the ignorance but, who/what is Chimpy?

Who is Chimpy? If you don't know, then how will we know whom to Chimpeach?

#39 MandyManners
google images search Chimpy (warning, there is one penis pic)

So the Limeys are training for their own version of Beslan per HotAir. What about us here in USA? I hope we are training on preventing such cases. But I'm not optimistic.

#29 J.D. 2/4/2007 11:42AM PST

#20 Charles
Was it
the Iraq adventure
part that did it for you?

Well it sure did it for me.

Way, way OT

Oliver Stone is not only responsible for trashing America's image around the world. He's also one of the worst things that ever happened to Turkey. He wrote the script for Midnight Express which shows Turkey as a hellish pit. The real Billie Hayes, the American guy in the Turkish prison who wrote the book that Stone based his screenplay on, says Stone way exaggerated how bad all the Turks are.

[Oliver Stone] was angry [because of Vietnam]...a lot of that came into the movie...my problem with the movie is all the Turks in the Midnight Express are bad...you don't see any good Turks in the movie...the impression everybody got is all Turks are like this...I felt bad...Even the prison guards...most of the guards were nice guys...I wish they'd some some good Turks, a balance, it would have been better for Turkey.

#32 ChenZhen
It is worth noting that most of the plots in the West since the Iraq war have been homegrown. Before that most of our terrorism was imported.

44 zombie

Bush or Cheney or both? Cheney? Ch + Impeach = Chimpeach = Chimp..

#26 Yank in the EU 2/4/2007 11:39AM PST

(1) Cheezy use of the straw-man argument. Try not to insult people's intelligence so trollishly like that

(2) You fail to account for the point of the thread: the thundering silence of the leftist blogs on the beheading plot.

(1)What straw man? It was Bush who was insulting everyone's intelligence. Britain is a democracy, and it seems that the hateful ideology has grown over there. Don't blame me for reducing the argument to the simplistic.

(2) I did account for the point. Charles argued that the lefties are ignoring the story because it won't make Bush look bad (presumably because it involves a 'success story' in the WoT). I argued that it still does, from a certain point of view. So, I guess I can't explain the 'thundering silence'. I may just post this on my blog, though.

#34 Iron Fist

You can't have both.

You know that the trolls ALWAYS want it both ways:

they are progressive, hence they are allied with a Seventh Century troglodytic cult.

they love Freedom, hence they love Chavez the dictator (Castro, China, the Vietnamese torturers etc etc)

they represent the future, hence they hate capitalism, the only form of society that ever allowed the humans to take off from the dark ages

they are patriots, hence they insult the Troops, and any kind of Warrior who defends Law and Order

they love the people, hence they agree with the killing fields of Cambodia (Chomsky)

and enfin, the ultimate having it both ways, they are metrosexuals...

46 Kilgore Trout

Was the originator saying the president looks like Curious George?

(warning, there is one penis pic)

But, is it in a box?

Maybe the British Muslems have "beheading envy." A suicide bomber doesn't get to watch all the fun. But a beheading is quite a show before, during, and after. Plus they can even film it and become youtub stars.

#52 CZ

Britain is a democracy, and it seems that the hateful ideology has grown over there.

See ? You are getting there.
The problem is that the islamofascists use democracy against itself and we NEED to invent an answer to this problem.

I would say that the debate here is mostly about this theme.

You are getting LGFed...

/sarc-lol tag

#52 ChenZhen
There is a curious delayed response from the left on terror plots. It took the Koskidz over a week to acknowledge to Toronto, it will probably be the same with the UK beheading plot. There's something about terrorism that doesn't fit in with the Left's world view that makes it very difficult for them to grapple with.
My guesses are multiculturalism, reflexive anti-americanism and sympathy for Palistinian terrorism. None of these are completely satisfactory explainations but they're the best I can come up with.

Mandy,

The left thinks Bush looks like a chimp. Because of his big ears. And because they hate him. Also, he is supposed to be dumb. Like a chimp. You know, like all those other "dumb" Harvard and Yale graduates who can fly fighter jets.

But it's fun to dehumanize and name-call your enemy. /

Much like a certain group calls the Jews sons of pigs and monkeys.

Charles
You have to catch this 3rd shift post(s) from enraged_badger
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

There are too many 3rd shift posts lost in the night. Another opportunity for a volunteer reviewer...

(Luv ya, Man!)

it kind of shoots a hole in Bush's 'democracy will defeat the hateful ideology' meme

While I have to agree that it is stupid to believe that democracy, or any secular system, can combat the evil ideology, it is because our president is foolishly idealistic about our system of government and believes that it is the cure for what ails these countries. He is very wrong, but many people are very wrong about a lot of things. Islamic countries and democracy don't mix, because Islam is a form of government as well as a religion. It is an infection that no form of government can cure, even if it is our admittedly excellent form (constitutional republic).

We here know the truth... there is no cure for Islam except the motto they have adopted themselves: convert or die. In other words, unless we kill them, they will kill us. Unless we convert them from Islam, they will kill us. And unless we do one or both of these things, they will do both to us.

Not real hopeful, is it? Especially because we only convert by gentle persuasion and not by the sword, unlike our enemies.

I don't think I'm saying any of this exactly the way I mean it. My brain is a little slow due to lack of sleep. Help me out, here!

I mean, they brought the fight and this choice to us, not the other way around.

I need caffeine. I'll be back to see if anyone made sense of this for me. zzz...

#34 Iron Fist 2/4/2007 11:48AM PST

Your side apparently believes that Bush is wrong, but we should be nicer to the death cultists. Even you can't believe that that makes sense.

Not nicer...smarter. A prolonged conflict in the heart of the M.E. is precisely how AQ had hoped we'd respond to 9/11.

#56 Yah

But a beheading is quite a show before, during, and after.

I always thought that.
HOLLYWOOD is behind everything.
That's the true conspiracy.

The Hollywood warmongers.

/Maybe Broadway too...

//I am never as happy as when we get a troll in the pond. It's fun.
P-L as a croc.

#63 Myself

Yah, don't misunderstand me, the troll is Chen Zhen...

The reason the Lefty blogs don't care about the recent "terror" plots is because anyone who is not a knuckle-dragging 20%er knows that these so called "plots" are nothing more than stunts staged by Chimpy and the poodle in order to keep the sheeple in fear and distract from their sinister fascist schemes.

#62 CZ
What would you have done?

#62 CZ

smarter

I knew it I knew it I knew it.
We are not nuanced enough.

And what's your strategy to stop the world war of islam against Freedom, CZ ?

How do you stop the INVASION ? (Invasion= terrorism + oil blackmail + immigration of muslims to the West)

Is Egypt hedging their bets at home for a possibility that Hillary could become a president ?

Egypt top cleric says women presidents okay under Islam

CAIRO (AFP) - Egypt's top cleric declared that Islam does not bar women from becoming heads of state, denying press reports that had earlier attributed to him the opposite position. On January 27, the flagship state-owned daily Al-Ahram carried a fatwa by chief mufti Sheikh Ali Gomaa saying that Islam forbids women from becoming a head of state because it would require them to lead prayer -- something only a man can do.

"This ruling does not refer to the head of a modern state but to the traditional role of Caliph as both secular head of state and imam of the Muslims," ...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I'd say Mubarak still wears the pants in Egypt.
He doesn't want to lose any US $$$ b/c of the crap being fed to da masses

"Good news: UK commandos preparing for British Beslan"
The SAS are tops in the SpecOps world. Any jihadiots attempt anything in Britan, they'd better update their wills and leave signed confessions!
In '79 when they took down the Iranian embassy in London, every terrorist they shot had an MP5 30 round mag of 9mm dumped in their chest cavities to make sure they were in the 72 hooker & 28 butt-boy bordello in the sky. They smoked two terrorists who "appeared" to be surrendering because when you are protecting hostages, taking terrorists prisoner is simply NOT an acceptable risk... Shocka, some Labour party asshelmet tried to bring the SAS team up on excessive violence charges...

#38 timequuake
IIRC, only two of more than a dozen were able to swim (alone) in the Reservoir-Tipped Full-Body Condoms (TM). One of them dropped out.

The touching part is a time-bomb waiting to go off, as are demands to fully clothe non-Muslims, cultural promotions, etc. Oh, and DROWNINGS which could have been prevented.

#65 Ringo the Gringo

You better put a sarc tag when you post things like that, or Chen Zhen will ask you to marry him/her/them...

58 Killgore Trout

There's something about terrorism that doesn't fit in with the Left's world view that makes it very difficult for them to grapple with.

Most do not believe in God, so they can't believe in evil.
If evil exists, then good must exist. Remember the old motto "if it feels good just do it" - They have no core rules of behavior. It makes the terrorists feel good to terrorize, so it is OK, according to the leftist worldview.

I hope I make sense.

#58 KT
Channeling the Church Lady, "Could it be SATAN?!"

HELL YES!

#59 Silhouette

The thing about caricatures is that the cartoonist just needs one small thing to exaggerate beyond proportion. I don't think Pres. Bush's ears are all that big--heck, compare them to Prince Charles' easrs! I can understand the funny drawing but, it is ludicrous to claim that the president is stupid based on his ears and some grades he made a long time ago (which, as we all know, were higher than Jon "halp me" Carry). If a high GPA in college were an automatic predictor of position in life, I'd be the fucking Queen of England.

#52 ChenZhen

(1)What straw man? It was Bush who was insulting everyone's intelligence. Britain is a democracy, and it seems that the hateful ideology has grown over there. Don't blame me for reducing the argument to the simplistic.

I can't believe I'm answering this nonsense. Oh well. What you're saying is, "OK, I made a stupid argument, but it's because someone else made me, namely Bush. Yeah, Bush is the cause of everything; that's frikken brilliant. No, neither Bush nor anyone of any worth ever reduced the Iraq war to advancing democracy: simply leaving it to Iran is no solution and creating yet another dictatorship that we have to fund in order to keep the jihadists suppressed is also not a solution. Democracy in the ME is choice made out of necessity and everyone knew from the start the dangers; in fact, that's not the problem for the people have responded well and the country is not rejecting the basic ideas. So what is an insult to people's intelligence is the idea these these significant considerations (add also WMD reports by the UN in 2000, extensive terror support and connections) are not part of the equation. The president made the sound case for war in numerous ways, which were agreed upon unanimously by the American people and by congress. I think the case could have been made even better, but it's an annoying insulting to say everything boils down to promoting democracy. It's just extremely lazy jingoism and talking points. Lose that junk, OK?

So, I guess I can't explain the 'thundering silence'.

Here's a hint: it conflicts with the leftist talking points: :"there is no terror / Muslim threat." The cause of danger is Bush, Christians, global warming, capitalism, Western imperialism.

64 Poitiers-Lepanto
Thanks for clarifying that for me. I was tryng to figure out what was dumb thing I had said.

#75 forgot to edit: "a choice", "insult"

#72 yah

Most do not believe in God, so they can't believe in evil.

I don't think that's it. I'm an athiest and it presents no problem to me, also on the flipside; there are plenty of Jews and Christians in the LLL.

Instead of trying to extricate myself from that apples/oranges fallacy, I'm heading to the book store.

See ya'll later, lizards.

A prolonged conflict in the heart of the M.E. is precisely how AQ had hoped we'd respond to 9/11.

Right. Fighting back against terrorism is EXACTLY what the terrorists wanted! We should surrender instead. That'll show 'em.

#65 Ri ngo

Seriously, it shouldn't, but it still amazes me that Truthers and Terrorists say both that Bush did 9/11 and take credit that "they" (terrorists) brought down the Towers -- on the record. And MSM still interviews them, and LLL's 'believe' them.

"Which (true story) is it?!" WHY are they never asked that question o/s of LGF?

You know what I think?

I think Islam is a form of the Necromongers. Only the next life matters. In this one, convert or die. We will convert or kill all human life.

Anyone ever seen the Chronicles of Riddick?

I like to ask the following of those who call our President "stupid:" George W. Bush graduated from Yale University and Harvard Business School, learned to fly fighter jets, was Governor of Texas, and President of the United States. If he is stupid, what exactly does that make you? Well? Still waiting...

#66 J.D. 2/4/2007 12:15PM PST

What would you have done?

Well, I think we did the right thing by invading Afghanistan, but I would have left it at that (with regards to major military intervention). If the 'flypaper theory' is a valid one, that would have been enough.

Other than that, I wouldn't have strayed too far from the 9/11 commission recommendations. The first thing I would have done here on the home front is increase border security and attempt to fix our intelligence lapses. Be proactive, while being careful not to make too much noise. The goal here is to alienate the ideology (as opposed to giving it the 'cause celebre' described in the NIE). The commission stated that the intelligence was there, but no one 'connected the dots'. Pay attention to those problems. We've been dealing with this threat for decades (and successfully, for the most part IMO). As long as we're America, we'll have this threat looming, and I don't think there's any way to eliminate it completely. We should also focus on what to do to ensure our country survives the effects of another attack, and make sure we don't destroy ourselves.

That's just me , however. As many of you know , I have a big problem with the Iraq war specifically, that's all.

Chimpy?

Don't you mean Cheney?

Beslan.

Never forget.

#85 ChenZen

I wouldn't have strayed too far from the 9/11 commission recommendations.

The "9/11 Commission"?

No further explanation needed.

Killgore Trout
72 yah

Most do not believe in God, so they can't believe in evil.

I don't think that's it. I'm an athiest and it presents no problem to me, also on the flipside; there are plenty of Jews and Christians in the LLL

True, and I worded it poorly. The leftie "worldview" is Godless - In other words, God should not rule the world.
Man makes the rules. Man is God.

I probably just got myself into more trouble with you, but think it through. What do you base your beliefs in?

#85 Chen Zhen

The main goal of al qaeda is and was to roll back America to her own borders and stop our influence in the muslim world, your " strategy" would help them a lot to reach this main goal.

From that, they can pass to conquering all the middle east and establish the caliphate.

With nukes.

A world power, with the goal to conquer the rest of the world...

#79 Iron Fist

Couldn't agree more.

Wouldn't even need to use nukes.

These are the types of tactics that won WWII. We will destroy your will and ability to do violence to us. If you want to make nice later, fine. We'll be happy to help you back on your feet.

If you persist in behaving badly, we will persist in limiting your ability to do so.

The clowns that say war never solved anything seem to be missing a big chunk of history. I wish it could be different, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

#75 Yank in the EU 2/4/2007 12:25PM PST

I think the case could have been made even better, but it's an annoying insulting to say everything boils down to promoting democracy. It's just extremely lazy jingoism and talking points. Lose that junk, OK?

You must have missed Bush's inaugural address?

We have seen our vulnerability, and we have seen its deepest source. For as long as whole regions of the world simmer in resentment and tyranny -- prone to ideologies that feed hatred and excuse murder -- violence will gather, and multiply in destructive power, and cross the most defended borders and raise a mortal threat.

There is only one force of history that can break the reign of hatred and resentment and expose the pretensions of tyrants and reward the hopes of the decent and tolerant. And that is the force of human freedom.

We are led, by events and common sense, to one conclusion: The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world.

Real war is the only thing that can save us. Real war. You know, the kill-kill-kill kind, where we destroy their homes, their countries, their wives and children, their food sources, their finances, and, in this case, the filthy religion-of-death that is the root of their resolve.

Unfortunately, because we are umbilically connected to the oil that is used to finance their evil, we can't destroy their finances. And because we are politically correct and "can't sink to their level" we can't destroy their so-called holy places or kill their so-called civilians.

So much for real war. So much for victory and the continuance of our way of life.

#89 yah

I probably just got myself into more trouble with you, but think it through. What do you base your beliefs in?

I'm not offended, I'm quite godless. I think you summed it quite nicely with...

God should not rule the world.
Man makes the rules. Man is God.

That's pretty much the way i see it too. I have plenty of religious friends here and in the real world. They think I'm wrong (and probablt headed to hell) and I think they're wrong. Such is life.

cookielady (#93),

So much for real war. So much for victory and the continuance of our way of life.

Please just don't hinder the rest of us that might possibly want to stand up.

#92 ChenZhen

This is sheer stupidity.

Similar comments have been made by Victor Davis Hanson and Norman Podhoretz -- does that mean that their case for why the Iraq war was just is reducible to attempting to make Iraq into a state that respects the rule of law? Of course not.

To further demonstrate your logical error, it would not be inconsistent to believe in the president's statement above and yet also to believe that attempting to create a free, just state is not in practice a good idea right now. This points to an ideal / practice distinction.

What's your view on logic and that kind of thing? Not esteemed highly?

#96 Geepers

What does that mean? Don't hinder those who want to stand up... stand up against the threat? Stand up against fighting to win? Which is it?

#56 yah

These islamafasicts do not understand the British people if they think a sickening act like this will terrorise us into giving in to their demands.

They see a country run by limp wristed nancy boys and think the entire country is the same.

They don't know the history of Britian and her constituent nations Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales. I mean real history, not this sanitized stuff you see in Hollywood movies. it's in our blood, we've never bowed down before anybody, we've had plenty of times when we've been in hopeless situations, vastly outnumbered but we've gave them hell anyway.

If they think this is going to achieve anything, they've got another thing coming.

#100 cagney

You go!

#101 cookielady

The thing is these islamafascists have a far greater chance of achieving their aims, as their doing at the moment, by the back door with this multiculturalism carry-on.

They've totally miscalculated the character of the British people with these terror tactics especially us Scots. We are a law abidding people and go out of our way not to cause trouble but we're a tough lot when the push comes to the shove.

cookielady (#98),

There are any number of people who don't think we can win this, I don't really care why you've decided we can't win, all I ask is that you not actively work against those of us aren't going to quit.

#100 cagney

Well said. We must defend our country from the Islamic jackboot, and show no mercy to the Queen's enemies.

#104 buzzsawmonkey

I think I know what you mean but in Scotland it is somewhat different.

Up here being in a political and economic union with a much larger country, England, we have an inferiority complex where we will always support the underdog and shown tolerance to minorities.

Throughout our history, as always either at warfare or uneasy peace with a much larger neighbour, we have shown tolerance and been a haven for the persecuted including the Jews after the 1290 Expulsion from England.

With this long history of tolerance and kinship with the oppressed, it is possible that the Muslim community would enjoy even more freedom to follow Islamic customs as they would anywhere but if they start demanding this and demanding that, they'll be inviting them to a right shindig. We didn't get the nickname of the 'Devils in skirts' and 'Ladies from Hell' from the Germans in the hellhole of the trenches in WW1 for notthing.

#106 Sabraguy

They're winning through the backdoor but the've made their mistake by coming out in the open.

#105 Geepers

I never said we couldn't win this. We HAVE to, and we can if we just do what is necessary instead of messing around.

I was alluding to the futility of PC-ness and the foolishness of depending on the enemy for a vital supply. That's all. Until we do something about those problems, we have a much more difficult battle.

And I won't stand in your way, I'll stand beside you and fight all the way.

Hope I have clarified now!

#103 cagney

We know you're tough, and we're proud to be on the same side! You are very right about the sneaky way being more successful right now. Some of them realize it, too. Others are impatient to go about their favorite bloodsport and will eventually push far enough to wake everyone up that prefers to sleep and slumber.

#85 ChenZhen

The commission stated that the intelligence was there, but no one 'connected the dots'. Pay attention to those problems.

Because there had been obstacles put in place that made it more difficult to connect said dots during the previous administration. Certain adjustments have been made that should help in that regard. And clearly, the threat had grown steadily prior to 9/11.

#109 buzzsawmonkey

Apologies. When I read these articles last night, my blood boiled as something similar recently did happen up here in Scotland:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It has to be noted that the scum who did this were not muslim extremists but petty criminal thugs but it gives an idea that if the plot did go ahead in Birmingham the victim would have been a vulnerable person who could not fight back. The kidnapping would be done with such numbers that any attempt to fight back would be futile.

This is an example of the cowards who were are dealing with.

It does truely sadden me that this should happen in a fair and gentle country like England. I know us Scots and the English have had been difficult neighbours in the past but when our countries have faced perils we have stood shoulder to shoulder to face it.

This is one of the these times but the danger is far greater as the enemy is not external but from within.

#111 cookielady

I have described our violent past and our 'energetic' national character but us Scots have contributed positively to many fields that have shaped the world as we know it today.

Whether it is in medicine with Alexander Fleming, economics with Adam Smith, manufacturing with Andrew Carnegie, philosophy with David Hume and of course in politics were Scots and Scots descendants played a part in the forming of a young United States of America as well as a Scot Arthur James Balfour who played a part in the formation of the State of Israel.

As to our present situation, we Scots have a tradition of tolerance but it is being exploited by certain individuals and even worse, by our politicians to further their own careers.

#69 scorched earth:

They smoked two terrorists who "appeared" to be surrendering

IIRC, they were not attempting to or "appearing" to surrender. They had simply mixed in with the hostages, once it became clear that the SAS men had wiped out the rest of the hostage-takers. The SAS troopers shouted at the hostages to point out who among them they recognized as terrorists; when the hostages pointed to these two, they were immediately shot dead on the spot. And yes, that was EXACTLY the right thing to do, they couldn't take chances that these guys were, say, concealing a grenade or pistol.

And yes, that was EXACTLY the right thing to do, they couldn't take chances that these guys were, say, concealing a grenade or pistol.

And plus, you know, fuck 'em.