chilling

There was no injustice in Southwest Asia before the State of Israel existed?

The drip, drip, drip of jihad.

And democrats thing healthcare and minimum wage are the most important topics of the day.

Fools.

PIMF: thing=think

5th column

There will be no injustice any more there.

/Humming "Imagine"

OT just a little

Am watching the Fox special on "Radical (Is there another?) Islam"

ROTFLMAO watching them trying to talk with a "moderate". I mean, what's a moderate with these bozos? Someone who only uses one half a pound of ball bearings in a homicide belt?

Oh, come on ... just a few fringe radicals.

Really.

Move along, there's nothing to see here ...

They mean every word and they don't even attempt to hide it. They know it's fine, to speak out against them though, now that's hate speech.

Where is that damn tinfoil?

May God foil their evil plans. Every last one of them. May they be confounded, disrupted, thwarted, and defeated.

last line of the transcript...as best my ears can discern but I feel pretty confident of it:

"May Allah give them strength and give to us strength. Allahu akbar". (begin crowds chant)

Just to finish that line...

Why should we even consider for a moment to enroll Muslims in our school system?

We are at War. Drastic situations call for Drastic actions.

A timely poll from the Koskidz....
Right Wing Christians Are America's Biggest Enemies

Who represents the biggest threat to America?

RW Christians like Limbaugh, Dobson, Dubya, and Coulter 72%

RW Muslims like Osama Bin Laden 2%

It's a tie between Bin Laden and the likes of Bill O'Reilly 18%

They have no future. And it’s just a matter of time before the 'religion of islam' will be wiped off the face of the earth.

There, made the necessary correction.

"with tongue and teeth" is staright out of the Al Qaeda Manual

[Link: www.usdoj.gov...]

see page 4

The scariest thing of all? Our universities (many of them) are not only accepting of this shit - they are actively recruiting and promoting it. When the proverbial hammer drops, it will be from within the ranks of our hallowed "institutions of higher learning".

Target rich environment. The time is coming.

give 'em a state the world

Note: that should be
""Takbir!"
"Allahu Akbar!"

not "Takfir."

"Allahu Akbar" is the takbir, and the person who says "Takbir" is calling for it.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
"In the Islamic world, instead of applause, often someone will yell "takbir" and the crowd will respond "Allahu Akbar" in chorus."

Why don't they go to Gaza where peace reigns, where justuce rolls down like...oh wait, ok well not this week,

but just as soon as they have the whole state to themselves, it's gonna be just wonderful.

Sunni, shia, schmunni schmia, hamas , hezb'allah - ain't no difference t'wixt the two - who cares , it's all love and peace and schools and stores and shops and markets and roads and puppies, no , wait, - I mean kitties and children and little bomb belts...no, wait - I mean little Korans with those cute pictures..no, no pictures but little keffiyahs and burkhas and kites flying and green balloons...

/gosh, I can't wait

In a perfect world that student should be immediately expelled and/or arrested for hate speec.

/not holding my breath

Yes, I was going "they actually SAID takfir?!"

Takfiri are the folks who kill anyone who doesn't align to their exact type of Islam.

Well, its only fair I guess. I routinely call for all organizations like MSU to be wiped off the face of the earth.

Hhar: you're right - it's corrected.

#14 Killgore

A timely poll from the Koskidz....
Right Wing Christians Are America's Biggest Enemies

Who represents the biggest threat to America?

RW Christians like Limbaugh, Dobson, Dubya, and Coulter 72%

RW Muslims like Osama Bin Laden 2%

It's a tie between Bin Laden and the likes of Bill O'Reilly 18%

This kind of crap is just infuriating. Who would they really rather be stuck in a dark alley with? ME? or Bin Laden?

I guess I'm the bigger threat. Give me a frikkin sobbin break.

Support for militant islam-o-turds should equal automatic revocation of U.S. visa, green card, etc and expulsion from any university that accepts any level of governmental support. Until the message gets out that barbaric people are not welcome here in the West, we will see more examples. How long before the Brits problem with Beslan style preparations will cross the oceans to the U.S. ?

#14 Killgore Trout

A timely poll from the Koskidz....
Right Wing Christians Are America's Biggest Enemies

Who represents the biggest threat to America?

RW Christians like Limbaugh, Dobson, Dubya, and Coulter 72%

RW Muslims like Osama Bin Laden 2%

It's a tie between Bin Laden and the likes of Bill O'Reilly 18%

I didn't read the koskook article, I am just curious, how did they describe "the biggest threat to America"?

I mean, what evidence did they bring forth, that shows any danger from "RW Christians" towards America, The US Constitution, etc?

Just curious.

If we were serious about this threat we'd at the very least remove these cretins from receiving any further access or financial aid at this public school.

Of course there's zero chance of this happening.

No, we will continue to underwrite our own demise and extend the protection of civilized society to those who would destroy it.

It's not that we lack the means to win this fight, just the will.

Unreal

especially the chanting

Olmert's infamy

Cartman (#17),

Absolutely.

The MSU at Irvine is fully sanctioned by the University.

Contact
Administrative Policies
Office [phone]
ucipolicy@uci.edu

Although the University probably supports the destruction of Israel. So it's probably a waste of time contacting them.

#28 republic

I didn't read the koskook article, I am just curious, how did they describe "the biggest threat to America"?

I mean, what evidence did they bring forth, that shows any danger from "RW Christians" towards America, The US Constitution, etc?

Republic , you are misreading the question. Yes, I know what the words say: "Who is a bigger threat?"

But the underlying question, the real question, is : "Who do you HATE the most? Christians? or Terrorists?"

They hate us more than the people that would kill them. How do you even deal with that?

I watched the video to the end and was likewise struck by just this speech. I transcribed it on my 'puter and pretty much bolded just what is bolded above.

What made it worse was the up-talking "valley" accent of the little shit who was saying all this. He's home-grown.

Biggest laugh is, that once Israel is wiped out,

There will be no injustice any more there.

'Cause we all know how there is no injustice in Gaza right now, or the 22 Islamic utopias without Jews.

#33 mama winger,

Hate them back. And remember those who would kill us first. Triage the enemy, as it were.

14 Killgore Trout

Thanks and kudos for bringing that out of the Kosswamp. Finding value there is like panning for a gold flake in a septic tank.

these guys all need to get tasered in the eye

#33 me - addendum

Of course, the right-wing Christians are also the ones most likely to be strong supporters of Israel and the Jews. So that just adds insult to injury when the lefties claim to have little fear of the terrorists. Perhaps they are on the same wavelength, and share common goals.

googling 'takfiri" is most unpleasant - but interesting

#28 republic
sorry for the delayed response, I'm weeding my shallots (no, that's not a euphemism)
It's long and rambling but essentially Christians supported Hitler and salvery and colonialization, and right wing talk radio encites violence.

The Islamic University of Minnesota

10 kathianne

Where is that damn tinfoil?

Can you borrow this guy's hat?

"Our weapon, our jihad, our way of struggling in this country is with our tongue."

"I'm strangely aroused."

/Mandy Manners

And if crap like this was said about muslims, blacks, latinos, asians on campus, the university pc police would ban their ass.

Just a note to any observing moonbats: after the "brothers" have taken care of business over there, guess who they'll come for next? Your islamofascist friends will over you a stark choice and bending over and grabbing your ankles won't save your butt.

Right wing Christians...watch out they are into ..global FEEDING OF THE POOR,
WIPING OUT AIDS,
WIPING OUT MALARIA,
DIGGING WELLS AND PURIFYING WATER SUPPLIES,
WORKING AMONG REFUGEES
AND ORPHANS

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

#33 mama winger

But the underlying question, the real question, is : "Who do you HATE the most? Christians? or Terrorists?"

So they hate me as a Christian, more than islmofascist human butchers, because, for instance, I believe it is wrong for a human being to have sex with animals?

I say, that if they aid and support any known enemies of the USA, that they need to be deported.

The Constitution is quite clear about enemies of the USA, both inside and outside, and what to do about those enemies.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...] Coincidence? How much more blatant does the enemy need to be? They are telling us to our faces that they want to obliterate us, and Israel, and everyone just goes about their day. Which, by the way, I'm about to do shortly....Go Bears!

#22 Mazeman

In a perfect world that student should be immediately expelled and/or arrested for hate speec.

A perfect world is one in which speech is penalized? You might want to move to Europe. They're all about penalizing speech. What's next? Thought-police?

I actually caught this the first time it was posted. It's disgusting.

#44 jooly 2/4/2007 01:53PM PST

And if crap like this was said about muslims, blacks, latinos, asians on campus, the university pc police would ban their ass."

Well, I say it's time to stop the assaults and attacks v Jews.

scaramouche (#31),

That's, ... I don't know what. Just wow.

Why?

They have no future. And it’s just a matter of time before the state of Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth.

Logically speaking, there was iSlamic terrorism before modern-day Israel was even created.
Can anyone possibly think that the Mos will stop terrorism if Israel ever disappears (which it won't)?

#47 republic

They hate us because the hate God, and do not wish to be reminded of Him in any way. Ditto for the Jews. Together, we are a living reminder that there might be some restrictions on their debauchery, and a purpose higher than themselves. The thing they do not realize is that you gotta serve somebody. Either for good or for evil.

#43 Kreuzueber Halbmond

LOL!

mama winger -

Did you see the tribute CBS did on Brian Piccolo and Walter Payton? It was very good, very touching.

Cowboys and Muslims.

/next big game for american kids

#47 republic

Right wing christians are definitely party poopers, but not very murderous or butcherous

not like the takfiri

we have a God who commands us to love our enemies and pray for those who despitefully use us.

So I have to pray for jihadis and kos kids.

/got to do it

#32

I say we organize a grass-roots campaign directed toward Governor Schwarznegger's office, as he is ultimately in control of the UC Regents:

Contact the Governor
Governor's Office

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916-445-2841
Fax: 916-445-4633

Email

To send an Email please visit:
[Link: www.govmail.ca.gov...]

To help us keep track of correspondence and to ensure that we are able to respond to California residents, please be sure to include your name and address when you communicate with the Governor's Office. We do not accept e-mail attachments.

District Offices

Fresno Office
2550 Mariposa Mall #3013
Fresno, CA 93721
Phone: 559-445-5295
Fax: 559-445-5328

Los Angeles Office
300 South Spring Street
Suite 16701
Los Angeles, CA 90013
Phone: 213-897-0322
Fax: 213-897-0319

Riverside Office
3737 Main Street #201
Riverside, CA 92501
Phone: 951-680-6860
Fax: 951-680-6863

San Diego Office
1350 Front Street
Suite 6054
San Diego, CA 92101
Phone: 619-525-4641
Fax: 619-525-4640

San Francisco Office
455 Golden Gate Avenue
Suite 14000
San Francisco, CA 94102
Phone: 415-703-2218
Fax: 415-703-2803

Washington D.C. Office
134 Hall of the States
444 North Capitol Street NW
Washington D.C. 20001
Phone: 202-624-5270
Fax: 202-624-5280

[Link: gov.ca.gov...]

The Iranian news agency said an upcoming dramatic announcement on Iran's nuclear "rights" would be made on February 11. The report was accompanied by a series of announcements heralding alleged Iranian technological and medical breakthroughs, including an "AIDS cure."

Ahmadinejad's "administration is going to publicize the country's remarkable progresses and achievements within the coming days," the Fars news agency said.

WTF?

Once again...only in a country de-balled by liberalism could something like this happen.

#56 windybon

mama winger -

Did you see the tribute CBS did on Brian Piccolo and Walter Payton? It was very good, very touching.

NOOOOOOOOOOO! I missed that! I must have been sleeping!

aw crap

#40 Killgore Trout

It's long and rambling but essentially Christians supported Hitler and salvery and colonialization, and right wing talk radio encites violence.

I thought they have always claimed to be smart, you know, intelligent?

They truly don't have any kind of grasp on reality.

So sad.

I'll pray for them all, every last one.

#49 MandyManners
When you threaten and promote annihilation of a country on a public stage, that's hate speech, and should not be allowed. It's over and above just "voicing one's opinion".

If a group of Christians started speaking about killing all Muslims, I'd feel they should be arrested too.

Yes, we do have limits on our free speech. I think SCOTUS used the term "Yelling fire in a crowded theater".

34

Don't get mad get even:

SUE

#60
canadian guy

huge truckload of salt required with those announcements I'm thinkin'

#31 scaramouche

Israel allows minaret over Temple Mount

Olmert consents to Muslim prayer tower while denying Jewish plans for synagogue

What is happening?

#58 paint-right

Right wing christians are definitely party poopers

I'm a Christian, not just in name, and I have more fun than anyone else I know, all within the Word of God.

Read Psalms and tell me there should be no fun.

does Olmert have kids? maybe someone got to him

49 Mandy Manners

When a student organization and its officers advocate murder and fund-raising for murderers than that should cross the line of protected political speech. The aegis of the 1st is broad but I don't think it stretches that far.

wow...Just watched Fox news....Radical Islam:Terror,own words....Powerful.....One segment broke my heat....the brain washing of children.....Voice:What are you holding? Child:A rifle . Voice: what are you going to do with it? Child: Kill the Jews!...he looked about 5 or 6 years old...I read about this stuff everyday...but on my T.V. screen it stunned me...They showed the Jihad cartoons...I didnt like the fact that E.D.Hill lets an Imam lie to her.....but over all a powerful show...GOD BLESS FOX NEWS...THAT WAS A BRAVE SHOW.

#32 Geepers:

Thanks for the email address, here's my letter to them:

Saw your MSU students advocating the destruction of Israel, genocide, and murder through web reports, taking strategy DIRECTLY from al-Queda teachings. What codicil in the UC Irvine student charter allows for the support of terrorism, beheadings, rape, murder, infanticide, genocide, treason, etc., in other words radical Islam?

Islamic students are allowed to shut down opposing views at UC-I campus events with no punishment? Where is the fairness that 'free speech' is supposed to guarrantee?

UC-I administrators are better spelled adminis-traitors. UC-I policies disgust me, I had no idea UC-I supports terrorism and Muslim supremacy. What would UC-I's reaction be if white supremacists attending your school uttered the same comments about Israel, or even so-called 'Palestinians'?

But I think I understand - foreign Islamicists are the only ones paying your egregious tuition rates - money talks. Benedict Arnold was paid well too, but it didn't end well for him either...

UC-I in a nutshell encapsulates everything that is wrong with modern graduate/post-graduate education in this country. I look forward to the day when a bankrupt UC-I is sold on the auction block.

#68 mama winger

What's happening is that Olmert is behaving like a good little dhimmi because he thinks it'll score him some brownie points with the Hashemites.

republic

me too, thanks for the addendum i was going to post

I LOVE being a Christian and the joy just keeps on getting more joyful

God is GOOD

The audience sang Am Israel Chai as these murderous thugs walked out. There is onl;y one response.

Am Yisrael Chai!

The Jewish people have outlasted enemies that make these clods look like, well clods, and we will outlast Mohammed's followers as well!

#72 storagemanager 2/4/2007 02:06PM PST

...I didnt like the fact that E.D.Hill lets an Imam lie to her.....

The dissembling was taqiyaarific

Re right wing Christians- as a I recall the Christian right (Falwell, Robertson, et al) became active politically in the Carter years. Their big issues were abortion, feminism and homosexuality; another was the decline in morality in culture-Hollywood sex and violence.
Thiryt years, a Reagan, two Bushes and a Clinton later, there is more tolerance and acceptance of gays than ever before (no one seriously considered gay marriage in 1980). Roe v Wade has not been overturned, and barely been dented. Movies and TV are more graphic each year. A woman is now Secretary of State, another is a front runner for President.
And the Right wing Christians have been successful?

#74 scaramouche

What's happening is that Olmert is behaving like a good little dhimmi because he thinks it'll score him some brownie points with the Hashemites.

Do you know, is he a religious man? I mean, the Temple Mount. My goodness.

55 BingoBunny

Hah! My kids are already playing soldiers vs. terrorists.

#68 mama winger

Everything is being set, Scripturally, for the rise.

It's tough living in these "last days", watching the world prepare for the rise.

Olmert may very well be the leader of Israel who signs the 7 year peace deal with the one who will rise.

For anyone who wants to accuse me of being "doom and gloom", the last days, does not mean the end of the world, only the world as we humans know it.

Keep The Faith mama winger, our souls depend on that.

57 Bingo Bunny- no, no. Bears and Colts.
Dallas is not in the Big Game this year.

Isn't there already a mosque on the temple mount?/

#81 republic

Yep. I've been waiting my whole life. Everyday I scan the sky. No joke.

as an alumni of UCI, i am disgusted and ashamed. In fact, every time the alumni assoc calls for money i reply: take care of your jihadi problem on campus and i will consider it.

#16 friarstale

"with tongue and teeth" is staright out of the Al Qaeda Manual

Thanks for the link. "Very, very, very" revealing.

Did you catch this

So just keep on doing what we’re doing. Our weapon, our jihad, our way of struggling in this country is with our tongues. We speak out, and we deflate their morale, and this is the best we can do right now.

The best they can do right now, which means in the future it won't be just tongues.

#78 Jim In Virginia

And the Right wing Christians have been successful?

There is only ONE who can change the heart of man.

It's never been the task of Christians to change the world, only to try and live a Christian life and carry The Word.

#79 mama winger

He most decidedly is NOT a religious man. Nor is he a particularly bright one. Nor does he possess a Churchillian determination to prevail over his foe; far from it. Moreover, those closest to him--his wife and his children--are raging leftists of the moonbat variety. All in all, not the guy you want to have in charge at a time like this. (Time to bring back Bibi--now!)

88 republic 2/4/2007 02:13PM PST

#78 Jim In Virginia

And the Right wing Christians have been successful?

There is only ONE who can change the heart of man.

It's never been the task of Christians to change the world, only to try and live a Christian life and carry The Word.

Come out of her my people.

#84 mama winger

Yep. I've been waiting my whole life. Everyday I scan the sky. No joke.

I believe you mama.

83 paint-right

Yes there is, their supposed 2nd holiest site.
[Link: www.atlastours.net...]

Notice they never pull this shit anywhere near where the citizens are armed? They feel safe to spout this shit within the security of a liberal college campus where hatred is not only allowed, but ironically is actually encouraged (well, hatred against America, Israel, Christians, conservatives, etc.). But if they really had some balls they'd go out among the people themselves and perform their rants. But, you see, that's just it: They are bullies, the whole lot of them, and have no balls at all. There are places in America where spouting that shit would get them a 150 grain wake-up call.

PIMF sorry, 2nd mosque, 3rd holiest site

#89 scaramouche

All in all, not the guy you want to have in charge at a time like this. (Time to bring back Bibi--now!)

I can see that. I've been watching him since he took office, and I've been less than impressed. Now this .......

Israel definitely needs a righteous ass-kicker.

Radical Islam: Terror in it's own words Part I

Radical Islam: Terror in it's own words Part II

Radical Islam: Terror in Its Own Words (Part III)

Radical Islam: Terror in Its Own Words (Part IV)

Radical Islam: Terror in Its Own Words (Part V)

#18 iron fist

"Target rich environment. The time is coming."

Yup.

#54 mama winger

The thing they do not realize is that you gotta serve somebody.

Got a feeling you might like this one.

Off to a Superbowl party. Catch ya later lizards.

#90 storagemanager

#88 republic

There is only ONE who can change the heart of man.

It's never been the task of Christians to change the world, only to try and live a Christian life and carry The Word.

#90 storagemanager

Come out of her my people.

Clarification please?

#81 republic

"....Keep The Faith....our souls depend on that."

"To whom else would we turn....?" :)

But when they go home, they’re gonna be like, crap. We’re in the middle of America, we’re in Irvine, a public [inaudible] ... and this whole campus hates our guts. [Laughter.]

Thats why I got the hell out of California...and talked most of my into family into leaving also.

#96 mama winger
Israel definitely needs a righteous ass-kicker.

From your mouth to the Big Guy's ears.

#65 mazeman

The shouting "fire" in a crowded theater had to do with the immediacy of harm. There's no immediate harm in this case.

And our brothers and sisters on the other side of the world, they’re handling business in their own way. May Allah give them strength...

I'm just a sentimental old fool, I'd like to see brothers and sisters united, on the other side of the world of course, and then let the IDF handle business in their own way. Maybe that should be handle business in their old way.

Charles, cleanup on aisle # 101. Sorry, but its over the line.

The disproportion is striking: Pipes wants Muslims to learn to live in peace with others and recognize the rights of others, the MSU wants to annihilate and destroy.

Still, we can learn a lot from this tape: I doubt that Pipes is much concerned by what they think of him, but these people are clearly swayed by what others think of them. We need to keep saying loudly and often that acts of violence against innocents are immoral, disgusting, unjust, and barbaric--and that perpetrators will be punished, not rewarded, in the afterlife.

Their efforts to cast asperions on others is their way of changing the subject and making it seem as if others are just as bad.

They are complaining about humiliation: those who advocate disgusting acts ought to be humiliated. It's called justice.

[Crowd: Takbir! Allahu akbar!]

Yes and this is just what the crowd chanted after Ellison was elected.

#71 PapaWolf

I'm not buying it. Read some John Stuart Mill.

Way OT
Nader leaves 08 door open, slams Hilary as a "panderer and flatterer"

Run Ralphie. Pleeeeease!

ot

anyone see the next step in making spanking illegal? now they are letting your kid get fat is child abuse. missed which state was mentioned but i suspect rush will have a field day with this.

What I find amazing is that they all in unison are brainwashed into thinking that this is the only way to get what they want in life. They all say in unison AA hmm maybe thats where they should belong.
A religion that does not think is merely a cult which is what we on LGF have been saying for many a time. Brainwashing is a dangerous thing for the world. How can the west debug the brains of the Islamic extremist including those in our own country and North America?

100 republic 2/4/2007 02:19PM PST

#90 storagemanager

#88 republic

There is only ONE who can change the heart of man.

It's never been the task of Christians to change the world, only to try and live a Christian life and carry The Word.

#90 storagemanager

Come out of her my people.

Clarification please?

Its from Jeremiah 30

#99 Noam

Ahhhh... Shirley Caesar. Wonderful. Thank you. Have fun at your party - and GO BEARS !

The Chancellor of UCI will say or do absolutely nothing. He's a total asshole. He will not even condemn anti-Semitism by name.

But when the MSU bully boys stage a hate fest, it's tightly protected by campus police. Not a word out of place is allowed.

Just lots of "takbirs".

Hey, this guy could be opening speaker at the Dem Pres Conv.

NOT OVER THE LINE TO DESTROY THE DESTROYERS...THESE HAMITIC HAMITES NEED TO BE MOVED FORCIBLY BACK TO THE LANDS THEY CAME FROM AND AWAY FROM ISRAEL...

where are those peoples... who started killing Jews on basic of an article named as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"... can't they see the real threat now? oh i forgot that Muslims are derived right from Messanger of "Religion of peace"

Rafsanjani says US has planned to commit aggression on Iran ....
We are happy to witness that the former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein who committed many crimes have been executed but we are dissatisfied with the current situation in Iraq which is much worse than that of Saddam," Rafsanjani said.

Given the US failures in Afghanistan, he said civil war in Afghanistan only created us many problems as masses of war refugees rushed into Iran and created us very problems.

The revolutionary Iranian nation will emerge successful from this psychological warfare too and will defend their rights, he pointed out.

"To us, martyrdom is the shortest way to come closer to Almighty God," he said.

[Link: www.irna.com...]

#107 PapaWolf

Ditto.

110 MandyManners

Your interpretation will prevail with the SCOTUS until or unless the U.S. or Britain experiences a Beslan type assault. Then some realistic boundaries can be reinstated.

Thank you much. I missed it last night, watching now...

A poem about the supremacists' cry:

Allahu Akbar?
No thanks. I'd rather hit the snackbar.

Obvious observation: Someone should keep and eye on this guy.

Not so obvious: It's very possible that terrorists are here. Hesham Hadayet, the killer who “walked” into LAX airport and gunned down 3 people before being shot by an Isreali security guard, lived in Irvine. His limo business was located close to the John Wayne Airport which is fairly close to the UCI campus.

Ticket agent Victoria Hen, 25, and Yaakov Aminov, 46, a diamond importer who had accompanied a friend to the airport, were killed by Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, who walked up to the El Al counter and began firing. Five other bystanders were wounded before an El Al security guard fatally shot 41-year-old Hadayet, who lived in suburban Irvine.

The FBI says it has not determined whether Hadayet - an immigrant who lived in California for a decade - harbored anti-Israeli feelings. Terrorism has not been ruled out as a motive…

See article

[Caption of picture of morning relatives]

Mourners at the funeral of Yaakov Aminov, whose relatives had asked him to avoid the airport because they feared a July 4 terror attack. (REUTERS)
See: picture

More on Hesham Hadayet:

According to the generally well-regarded site, Hadayat was "a secret operative of the Egyptian Jihad who maintained undercover links to the same Jihad cell in Brooklyn, New York, as the ‘blind sheikh’ Abdul Rahim Rahman and Ramzi Yousef. Both are doing time for perpetrating the first attack on the New York World Trade Center in 1993."

Debka.com writes that Hadayat was no stranger to LAX, having worked there between 1993 and 1998 for the American Mercury ground service in an unspecified job when he left to begin a limousine service for airline passengers. His actions back then apparently aroused the suspicions of El Al security, who according to Debka.com asked Mercury to rearrange Hadayat’s schedule for times when none of its flights were scheduled.

See: Opinionet

oh look the NYT has chimed in:

Palestinians Fear Infighting Hurts Their Case

JERUSALEM, Feb. 4 — The fierce internal clashes among Palestinian factions have shocked many Palestinians and Arab governments, who fear that the bloodshed is damaging the Palestinian case before the world, Palestinians say.

Even as the Bush administration moves to try to press for significant progress toward peace, Palestinians say their own infighting is making it too easy for Israel to argue that nothing needs to be done now to promote a Palestinian state.

Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia have all intensified efforts to stop the fighting and push the warring Fatah and Hamas factions into a form of unity government, no matter how fragile. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has called a meeting on Tuesday in the holy city of Mecca between the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and senior Hamas figures to try to restore at least the facade of Palestinian unity.

“What is happening now is damaging our reputation and our standing with Arab public opinion and with Arab officials,” said Mkhaimar Abusada, a political scientist at Al Azhar University in Gaza. “My feeling is that Arab support for the Palestinians is beginning to evaporate. Arabs are looking at us as fighting ourselves now, not the Israeli occupation, and Arab officials are saying that we’re not very serious about establishing a state.”

Kill the jews and everyone loves you. Fight yourselves and now they worry about their image. Let them all rot.

I did enjoy one part of the article though:

At the meeting, insults were exchanged and shoes were thrown, a severe insult in the Arab world. Mr. Tarawi said, “I have a message from the three Balousheh kids,” referring to three children killed in a December attack on the house of their father, Baha, a prominent Fatah intelligence official in Gaza. Then he threw his shoes at Mr. Rajoub.

I'm just wondering the etiquette of shoe throwing. Are you supposed to leave bare foot, bring an extra pair or is it like, "um yeah, could you hand me back my loafers now?"

Shmujew, your 118 seems to be within the discourse that the site proprietor has established here. It would be better without the caps though.

#68 mama winger

"What is happening?"

They are surrendering. They have decided its better to be exterminated than to fight for their rights and to fight for their freedom and to fight for their children. I never thought I'd see that day when Israel would revert back to the attitude that doomed so many of her disapora: the pathetic attitude "What can we do? We are so few, and. maybe they won't go as far as they say they will, and will let us live in bondage instead of kill us."

Strange times, indeed.

When is the destruction of jihad coming?

man, forgot to quote the main section :P

121 Savage_Nation

Why is it over the line? I see it happening inside of 2 years...

Anytime someone advocates specific acts of violence, civilized conversation is at an end. One of Charles traits that keeps me coming back is a clear understanding of the point and a willingness to act on same.

#127 Kragar (Proud to be kafir)

at last they learned a bit....
but fighting means innerfighting or fighting overall

I used to think it was a crime what we did to Japanese-Americans during WWII, and it may still have been. I don't know; I didn't live in that era. But with each passing day these insane militants are allowed to roam freely around our country I become more and more unnerved.

It's to the point I'm considering buying a gun, even though I know the odds are heavily stacked that you'll kill a family member before you ever kill a criminal, but I don't want to be caught unawares when Bin Laden emerges from the caves, drop a red flag and yells, "NOW!" and the world erupts in flames around me.

I am a tolerant, level-headed, Libertarian who works as a writer, actor, entertainer... usually the most liberal group on the Earth. But, as I recall, Muslims flew the planes into WTC, not Bush or Condi or Rummy.

Guess what I'm saying is; who's to say internment was wrong? Japanese never hit us stateside. Maybe there's a reason for that.

Check out the link below, a guy much smarter than me putting it into words I cannot.

[Link: www.ornery.org...]

Walid Shoebat, et. al. heckled @ UMichigan on Wednesday;

A fury over 'ex-terrorists'
Protesters say event promotes intolerance

...Billed as a lecture by three ex-terrorists, the event drew opposition from several student groups and the Michigan office of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee.
-----
After 15 minutes of Saleem's speech, the heckling intensified to the point where Saleem stopped speaking and asked the woman to "shut up."
-----
...After an hour, Fantuzzi took to the stage and issued a warning to the same woman who had continually heckled the speaker. She ignored the warning, and Department of Public Safety officers escorted her from the building.

The MSU did nothing and said nothing that wouldn't meet the approval of most American leftists. Their disruptive tactics are right our of left wing manuals, something they've been doing since the 60's. I'd wager that the MSU has the support of non-Muslim students who consider themselves "progressive".

PIMF My grammer is suffering from listening to the pregame show.

#123 Papw Wolf

If there is a Beslan here the American people won't wait around for the government to act, because the American people know it won't act. Nope, if we get a Beslan here the American people will take care of business themselves. And the mohammedans know it.

OK so "Jihad" like those Palestinian scarves are all the latest in fashion. The suicide bomber is this years gangsta rapper taken to the next step ... meanwhile as long as we know where these folks are hanging out, I'm sure our people are spending their time observing them and learning everything they can about them ie. where their money comes from, what plans they may, who they speak to etc. etc.

So, as angry as I get when I watch these little cretins do their wannabe sixties thing, I know its probably all for the best. Better out in the light then behind closed doors in the dark. And if they're waiting for Israel to disappear, let them wait. Its the very reason why after 60 years they still live in the same fantasy world they've always lived in.

The other alternative is to begin a campaign to defund that particular campus until they clean the school of these groups that champion violence as this one apparently does. It seems to me that something like that might interest Arnold who certainly would see the political parallels with what Governor Reagan did to the Berkeley Campus back in the Vietnam days.

Finally, its kind of pathetic to listen to these idiots convince themselves that despite all the polling data to the contrary, that somehow everyone hates Israel. The facts are that Israel's favorability ratings have gone up in the US, but as usual these Pro Palestinian groups and their leftist useful idiots need to lie to themselves so they can continue to play this decade's version of revolutionary.

When will Americans figure out that "Allah akbar" is not the Arabic translation of "kumbaya"?

134 Mazer

Your points are cogent but I take great exception to your 2nd paragraph.

"It's to the point I'm considering buying a gun, even though I know the odds are heavily stacked that you'll kill a family member before you ever kill a criminal, but I don't want to be caught unawares when Bin Laden emerges from the caves, drop a red flag and yells, "NOW!" and the world erupts in flames around me."

If you sign up for proper gun safety classes and actually practice the things you learn, then guns become a valuable tool. Then take your family members one-on-one to teach them the respect needed.

#136 Paul

Little do they know they're being used. These fundamentalists don't just hate American foreign policy, they hate our culture. Guess who many of these "progressive" liberals categorize as? It's really amazing how so many people can think they're right in every respect, but neither have any idea how wrong they are in others eyes.

#141 PapaWolf

I'm merely citing statistics, not crying, "People don't kill people, GUNS kill people!" in the least. Sorry, can't specify. I'll google and link it if I can.

But I feel wrong that I want to know where every Muslim is at all t imes. Should I?

20 Face Lash for Dancing in Saudi Arabia

A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced, a newspaper reported Sunday.

/because, you know, that would be like having actual fun and there is no fun in Islam

138 Hiker

That is the rational behind my position. When enough of society stands up and says "It will be thus!" the SCOTUS must follow to maintain its authority. This may take a painful year or two but it will happen.

Walid Shoebat @ UC-Davis on Tuesday;

Former terrorist speaker

With the issue of terrorism so prevalent in the news media and the rhetoric of today's world leaders, the presentation by former Muslim terrorist Walid Shoebat on Feb. 6 will provide a timely and unique perspective on a global concern.

MSA plans to disrupts the event.

* They are going to sit next to each other and fill as many rows as
possible.
* They are going to yell a synchronized chant during Walids speech.
* Either they will do it when the clock hits a certain time or else they will send out a text message on their phones.
*They will hand people leaflets as they walk into the event exposing Walid as a racist.
*They suggested BURNING SOMETHING outside of freeborne.
*They are going to sneak in Palestinan flags and also signs

A notable former member of MSA is Asan Akbar, an American Muslim extremist who attended the MSA-controlled student mosque at the University of California, Davis. After college, Akbar joined the U.S. Army. In the early hours of March 23, 2003, he intentionally detonated a grenade amidst sleeping members of his 1st Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division stationed in Kuwait -- killing two and wounding fifteen. Not long before this incident, Akbar, who had been reprimanded for insubordination, reportedly had told his mother that he felt the military was persecuting him because he was a Muslim.

#132 PapaWolf,

Anytime someone advocates specific acts of violence, civilized conversation is at an end

Our enemies have advocated, and performed, many specific acts of violence. It is only natural that we would wish to repay in kind.

If civilization cannot tolerate violence in its own defense, then it will die in voilence dedicated to its destruction.

#143 Mazer:

I feel wrong that I want to know where every Muslim is at all t imes. Should I?

Not only do I want to know where they are, I want to know that they're elsewhere.

Sorry Mazer about the blast. My wife used to take that position until she realized that we demand and receive exceptionalism from our children. Why should we be different then with them regarding firearms safety. Teach them early, teach them well.

123 Papa Wolf

The only way to combat extreme ideas is with open debate, however distasteful the other side.

There's the stat. Again, not advocating gun control in any way, was simply using a stat. I'm sure most of these "you or someone you care about's" came home drunk from the bar and shot first, asked questions later.

"A gun in your home makes it three times more likely that you or someone you care about will be murdered by a family member or intimate partner (Kellerman,New England Journal of Medicine v329, n.15 1993)"

[Link: www.kqed.org...]

But as PapaWolf said, with proper training it can be a useful tool. Like (to quote Homer Simpson) a chainsaw! Or an alligator!

How long before we deport these dogs? Another 9-11? two more perhaps?

jordash 1212

Little do they know they're being used

.

Infatuated with the ideas of revolutionary struggle and redemptive violence, American leftists are the "useful idiots" of the 21st century. The Islamists know how to manipulate these dolts with the rhetoric of national liberation, anti-imperialism and plain old Jew hatred. Too, both the left and the Islamists hate American culture and society; the left is too dumb to realize that the Islamists' hatred extends to them too.

#151 Mazer:

"A gun in your home makes it three times more likely that you or someone you care about will be murdered by a family member or intimate partner (Kellerman,New England Journal of Medicine v329, n.15 1993)"

I could spend all day ripping Kellerman's BS "study" to shreds, but I have better things to do.

Anyone who ever took an introductory statistics course should have had the following phrase drummed into them: Correlation does not imply causation!

I can use similar statistics to "prove" that umbrella ownership causes rain.

147 Iron Fist

You bet, and I agree without qualm. This forum that Charles provides has not allowed tactical commentary in the past. He has limited it to more of a strategic theater. The policy elevates the discourse though we all understand certain actions are extensions of these words.

Understand and talk about the sewer without wading in it.

#32 Geepers

Thanks for the email. I contacted them too, to say how disgusted I was.

#151 Mazer:

you are in more danger from the ladder in the garage...then a gun with the proper training.

#157 storagemanager:

you are in more danger from the ladder in the garage...then a gun with the proper training.

True, but guns are harder to train than ladders are.

/sarc

All of the mechanisms are manifesting themselves, and all of the players are taking their place. Soon, there will be a convergence of will, and a singularity of desire. Then will true evil be born, and lead them into all manners of inhumanity.

Woe unto those who do not see the storm on the horizon...

OK, for clarification... I don't necessarily buy the gun stats, but as the father of 5, 3, and 1 year-old sons, they are daunting. However, when the time comes (and it WILL come) for my sons to have to take up arms (be it 5 years or 20) I want them to know what they're doing.

What frightens me most is how the American left greases the skids for these war-mongers. Make no mistake; I am firmly a centrist (I want tight borders and an overwhelming military, but I could give a shit if 2 guys want to get married), but I would rather follow the far-right in taking the fray to the enemy than allow the far-left to pave the road to my front door without lifting a finger to stop them.

And forgto to say "Thanks" to everyone who has made me feel so welcome. I just registered last night and already feel at home in the community.

Thugs.
UI Irvine is the Gaza of the West.

Glad I went to ARt School.
SheesH!

#85 so.cal.swede 2/4/2007 02:12PM PST

as an alumni of UCI...

There seems to be a number of us here.

This needs to be the top story on the evening news, not the latest propaganda piece about Iraq.

#161 Mazer

Bitch to register though, isn't it. I just happened upon it one day while perusing the site, for quite some time mind you, and I quickly registered. By the time I was done entering the necessary information, and was brought back to the main screen, registration was closed.

Methinks Charles' arbitrary system is designed to weed out the impatient and insincere amongst us.

Jolly good of him, I say...

#164 mattm:

This needs to be the top story on the evening news, not the latest propaganda piece about Iraq.

I agree. While it was nice to see Fox News run a special on "radical" Islam, all the video clips they showed were from Europe or Australia.

The next installment needs to be about the 5th column we have operating here in the US.

#165 xleatherneck

Yeah, I'd been a reader for probably 5 months or so. Same thing. Saw registry OPEN, jammed on, and when I came back to post it was already closed. And yes, good for him. I have profiles at DU and HUFFPO so I can go in and drop the occasional Common Sense Bomb and watch as they all scurry around it.

I think, with a conflict with Iraq looming on the horizon, we're going to see more and more people wake up to the threat and realize, "Yeah, maybe it's NOT all our fault."

If not, God help us all.

#165 xleatherneck

Check out this link.

[Link: www.ornery.org...]

This guy is a genius, a world famous science fiction writer, and a DEMOCRAT. His insights are brilliant.

It would be certain to be corrupted, and used wrongly, and be deemed illegal, but one wonders if it's time for someone to put together a database like the sex offender database that identifies by name and address all Muslims residing in the United States. It certainly would have to be done like a floating crap game, because the Feds would be after you immediately.

And now that I've said that, and undoubtedly incurred lots of righteous wrath against such a thing (and with which I would mostly agree), I think its fair to say that if we aren't to the point where we would bend decency to even that extent we clearly are a long way from actual warfare on the streets.

At some point in time, the least we are going to have to do is physically move the threat outside our borders. Many innocents will be swept up in that. I don't know the right answers here. It seems that in this asymmetric war that Jihad is waging, we are at a serious disadvantage because we can't really seem to do much of anything until it becomes all-out war -- and they are careful not to let it come to that.

You know that if citizen-led action were to happen, all that would result is a hundred Wacos.

This is very frustrating.

I remember the same kind of crap from Muslim Student Union at UCLA in the early 1990s when I was student. And that was during the period of Oslo...

Yeah, these 'moderates' are really something...

I just saw Children Of Men. good approximation of what we have to look forward to.

Just a small minority of muslims. The same minority that cheered 911 (70% of muslims sympathized or were happy about it).

'We in America understand the benevolence that lies at the heart of ISlam.'

'There can be no greater achievement for the USA than to assist int he creation of a Palestinian State.'

-Condo-fucking-leeza

'We believe democracy will bring peace to the middle east (that's why we are backing the losers of the recent palestinian elections, because Abbas is the president, after all, and, well, he's also the president, and Condi likes him and he's my good firend and a man of peace).

-loose paraphrase of the Reformed-Boozer-in-Chief-and-Minder-of-the-arab-st reet-and-Ignorer -the-American-street-and-Consequent-Loser-of-the-M id-Term-Election-in Chief

Hello all,

I've been reading the above comments with great interest for the last hour. I would like to add my two cents if you don't mind.

I'm an atheist and a conservative. Makes me a bit of an oxymoron or moron depending on your thinking. I don't fear the Christian religion because it seems to do a pretty good job policing it's self and shunning the radicals.

But, the Muslims scare the hell out of me. I'm not the most intelligent person in the world, probably average or slightly below, but I can see with clear eyes that the Muslims are the greatest threat civilized man has ever faced. These are not good people and are quite frankly, are insane.

I expected to see our nation rise up and defend it's self after 9/11 with all the fury and might we could muster, but our leaders (who are bought off by the Saudis) tried to temper our anger by asking us to continue life as before and not to take anger out on the muslims. They gave us Afghanistan and Iraq to sooth our anger while leaving the greatest threats alone to continue to grow and become more powerful.

I fear that our nation and it's people have been "neutered" by our leaders, the colleges, and the media. We are being threatened every day by an worldwide enemy and all we worry about is what Britney Spears exposed to the cameras this week. Our borders are unprotected, our soldiers guarding our borders are under orders to run away when challenged, and our country is being overrun by illegals.

I fear that when the Muslims manage to finally nuke our country, nothing will be done. There will be no backlash against the Muslims by our citizens because our government and media won't allow it. Anyone that defends our country from these insane people will be arrested and prosecuted.

I am beginning to realize that our leaders (both democrat and republican), the media, and the colleges have already sold the USA and it's citizens out.

I am in agreement with the gentleman above about buying a gun. My government may deny me the right to defend my country, but they will not deny me the right to protect my loved ones and my home.

Sorry to sound pessimistic, but it's hard to stay optimistic during these crazy times. The next few years (decades?) are going to get ugly for us.

Be safe and be well,

Random63

The kos kids all suffer from cognitive dissonance. They are incapable of reasoned discourse.

random63
If you don't own any guns then please put that on your to do list for tomorrow morning!

But, the Muslims scare the hell out of me. I'm not the most intelligent person in the world, probably average or slightly below, but I can see with clear eyes that the Muslims are the greatest threat civilized man has ever faced. These are not good people and are quite frankly, are insane

.you seem pretty smart to me...To bad our leaders dont understand the danger as well as you do.

173 Random63 2/4/2007 05:28PM PST

yes buy guns...store ammo and food...no joke .. its coming.

169 malatrope
Once the 24 episodes become reality the gloves will come off.
I'm sure there are plenty of folks who think that too.

Mazer..you sound a lot like me.
I'm a designer (fabrics and furniture)...an ex-dem...and surrounded by libs here in Fla.
I had an epiphany after Sept. 11th... I was stuck in Brussels when the towers were hit...and was stranded over there which was scary.
Ever since then, I've woken up to the threat of radical Islam.
My husband (who is from Germany) and I have also been mulling the idea about in regards to getting a gun.
We have two little boys...3 and 8...so we have the same "fears" as you do about keeping it in the house.
But we also know it's a necessity....we don't want to be caught off guard when the shit hits the fan.
I guess the advice of everyone here is sound....just train yourself and teach your kids well.
I've already started "educating" my boys about what's going on in the world.....I want them to be prepared.
The most difficult part I guess is the first introduction to guns.....my dad had one for hunting and as for my German husband, well, you know the story there.
It's daunting.....and we both have no idea about what to get.
Maybe it's time to start talking to my neighbors...they are all armed to the teeth....I hope they can help.

#173 Random63

"My government may deny me the right to defend my country..." Never have I heard that sensation spoken more eloquently.

"...they will not deny me the right to protect my loved ones and my home" Amen.

#93, or, a 62 grain at 3250 fps...

We speak out, and we deflate their morale

This guy is so full of shit. I smell Islamic projection again. To him, I say - Oh yeah? Let's do it. Rock and roll. Show us what you got.

Maybe 'tis the Irish in me, but I love a good fight. A verbal challenge tends to cheer me up. It focuses the mind and provides a handy target, all at the same time.

Can't wait to have the muezzin's call-co-prayer broadcast five times per day in my city, just like in Hamtramck, Mich.

And just for good measure, check out the names on the Hamtramck City Council:

Karen Majewski, Mayor
--------------- City Council ---------------
Rob Cedar, Mayor Pro - Tem
Abdul Algazali Robert Zwolak Shahab Ahmed Scott Klein Timothy Nowalkoski

With no reference to those folks in particular, will our enemy defeat us from within?

167 Mazer 2/4/2007 04:05PM PST

#165 xleatherneck

Yeah, I'd been a reader for probably 5 months or so. Same thing. Saw registry OPEN, jammed on, and when I came back to post it was already closed. And yes, good for him. I have profiles at DU and HUFFPO so I can go in and drop the occasional Common Sense Bomb and watch as they all scurry around it.

Neener, neener!

Us older, lizards with thick, callused boney scales registered before the moonbats discovered LGF. Way back when Charles started registration I think he left it open for days.

I've been posting here since '02, but I think Charles started the registration thing in the spring of '03.

What ever happened to Nodrog and Aiesha?

My husband (who is from Germany) and I have also been mulling the idea about in regards to getting a gun.

After the shootings at the Seattle Jewish Federation building I started feeling a little unsafe in large crowds of Jews. Maybe our proximity to Dearborn (about 20 min from here) is a factor.

In any case, since I have relatively small hands and the grip on a Glock or S&W 9MM is a little to large for me, I've been strongly considering a KelTec. A 38 revolver might also fit my hand, but the KelTec's mostly use an 11 round clip, which might come in handy compared to a revolver.

If you do get a gun, buy a Fobus holster, they're pretty cool and are made in Israel.

UC Irvine will probably just give them their own bathroom as punishment.

Clearly, this whole video is staged and those are all Zionist actors trying to make Muslims look bad... disciples of Mo would never conduct themselves in this manner... get real people.

#184
Looks like both the Nordrog and Aisha are still around (last Nodrog post here, and last Aisha post here).

#168 Mazer

Thanks for link. I don't have time to read it all right now, but the little I did, sounds good.

A Democrat you say....hmmm, maybe there is hope.

As an aside, and from one newbie to another, you can use the search engine (top of the main page on the right) to find out who responded to your posts. Click "advanced" search, and on the next page, highlight "comments only."
It will be quicker if you set the search parameters on the pull-down menu for 2 or 3 days, rather than the default set at "all."

#184 Ronnie Schreiber

Neener, neener!

Us older, lizards with thick, callused boney scales registered before the moonbats discovered LGF."

LOL

It's an honor to meet the old gaurd...

Here we go again ... for the 123,456,789th time:

R O P M A !

I'll be entering college in the fall. Seems like these Muslim Student Unions are everywhere, and the administration does nothing to stop them, or even encourages them.

Anyone have any advice for what to do while I'm there? It seems to me groups like Campus Conservatives and Hillel get drowned out by all the moonbats. There's only so much a small group can do.

#192 zarxos
Study. Learn. Get your degree(s). Buy a gun. Keep an open mind. Find like-minded people. Train. Stay ready.

Oh, and: this is a seriously dead thread. If you want a conversation, you sorta need to stay a little closer to the top.

*wanders drunkenly off to bed after a Superbowl Sunday*

The future is bright for these kinds of individuals and all adherents of Islam...and I mean that seriously!

How bright?

Verrrrrrry bright.

And I quote: "Several milliseconds after the initiation of the explosion, the brightness of the ball of fire goes through a minimum, then it gets somewhat brighter and remains at the order of a few times the brightness of the sun for a period of 10 to 15 seconds..."

My dad worked on nukes while in the military. You'd be amazed what they can do with those little suckers now-a-days!

~Norsk Troll

14 Killgore Trout

I managed to read the whole post over there and keep my cookies down (barely). The whole thing stinks of leftist projection to me. I've had some close dealings with people who project in that way, and you learn to detect the stench.

#188 Malatrope

#184
Looks like both the Nordrog and Aisha are still around (last Nodrog post here, and last Aisha post here).

I could tell you something about "Aisha", but that would spoil it.

;^)

Cross-posting from the original UC Irvine Daniel Pipes post, should anyone here not have seen it:

We are finally starting to see the fire being fought back. There's a bunch of brave students who have decided enough is enough - hence Daniel Pipes and others.

Meanwhile, if you want to help out on the legal front:
The Zionist Organization of America is paying out of its own pocket for Susan Tuchman to continue to press the US Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights to complete its now 2.5-year-long investigation into the alleged violation of the civil rights of students of Jewish descent at UCI.

If you'd like to help, please send donations to the Zionist Organization of America: Donation Link

StandWithUs has an Orange County division that's supporting the students any way they can: bearing witness at anti-Semitic events (complete with huge posters), helping organize events, and they're now embarking on an education campaign. Support them any way you can: Link

Finally, I also know that the American Jewish Congress is working another legal angle, but I don't know the details. Donation Link

Charles - Thank you for posting the transcript - it's really handy.

So.....where do we stand, again, on the Bush Administration setting up the program for 15,000 Saudi students to flood into our university system?

Do we give Bush the benefit of the doubt that he's either too removed or too uninformed to see the connection between all the kill-the-Jew rallies on campuses across the US, and bringing in new Arab students by the planeload.

#199
So.....where do we stand, again, on the Bush Administration setting up the program for 15,000 Saudi students to flood into our university system?

No time soon.
Bush is so friendly with the Saudis (who supplied 15/19 hijackers) that Prince Bandar is know in Crawford as "Bandar Bush".
Bush and Bandar

When I hear or see the phrase "Allahu Akbar" now, I think of this Cox and Forkum cartoon...

[Link: www.coxandforkum.com...]

OT
lobo91:

"Anyone who ever took an introductory statistics course should have had the following phrase drummed into them: Correlation does not imply causation!

I can use similar statistics to "prove" that umbrella ownership causes rain."

Or that increased CO2 in the atmosphere causes global warming. It too is correlation not causation.

Global warming is actually caused by the Sun (go figure). And as I sit in my toasty home, it is now -18 outside... a new record low. (or a tie of the record)

The other thing... unusual weather conditions are not the result of global warming. They are just what they are; unusual weather conditions, or unseasonably warm or cold or whatever, and not "global warming".

Our weapon, our jihad, our way of struggling in this country is with our tongues.

This is important to understand. Jihad is not just about fighting with weapons. Jihad is about using all available means and techniques to create a climate of intimidation, where anti-Islamic speech is silenced and pro-Islamic speech is under no inhibitions.

"All available means" includes speeches, demonstrations, threats, violence, lawsuits, purchasing ownership or influence over media, etc

Ronnie Schreiber: Avoid cheaply-made firearms like KelTec. You need to put in a reasonable amount of target practice to become accurate, and will thus need something that will hold up.

#179 madmama

Thanks for the advice. I'm leaning towards buying one, but it's a big philosophical step for me. I've been anti-gun (but pro 2nd amendment) forever. Plus I still have to convince the Mrs. She is apolitical and every time I try to explain what's happening she kind of glazes over. I think she's one who needs a mushroom cloud to fully pick up on it. In her defense; 3 boys 5 and under will sap the political will out of you in a hurry!

On the bright side, when I say, "Honey, can I ask you a question?" She'll be relieved that I'm not asking for a threesome!

#205 Mazer

Wow! You get up early! And right on the computer no less!
That's funny about your wife and the "threesome"....needless to say, I can relate! Poor thing...she must be TIRED!
Anyway, I think my husband and I are going to look at some guns today actually.
As someone had mentioned above....I think the Smith and Wesson 9mm revolver or a Glock is what we're going to look at....equipped with gun locks for the kids.
When they are old enough, I will be having both of them trained. Not sure what age though is really appropriate.
It must be the same with your boys....they "pretend" to play with guns ALL the time anyway. It's really funny because for the first 5 years of my oldest son's life....we never bought any kind of toy weapons.
I guess boys just naturally pick up on that and want to play "cowboys and Indians" or whatever.
I finally gave in and said "screw it"....I might as well buy him a GI Joe or something and I did.
Now the "toy weapon ban" is a thing of the past!
Funny how your attitude can change in a matter of a few years (and catastrophic events!).

Not TOO early. Remember, this is PST. Which means it was 9:45 here. I'm no hero.

#207...yeah, I realized afterwards that you are probably on MY time...I'm in West Palm.
Hey....my hubby and I went to the local gun range/shop and fired our first guns today!
I hit the heart on my first 6 tries!
We're going for a revolver...a Smith and Wesson 38 caliber, 4 inch barrel.
That was something!
We're also going to take a concealed weapon's course this Saturday...
So I guess we're on our way to gun ownership!

After we write the Gov.'s office and the University Pres. office, if no action is taken against the Muslim Student Union's blatant hate speech, how about writing Fox news to get some publicity about official sanctioning of militant hate groups by universities in this countries.

Wow, only 32 Diggs...

Dead thread poster here.

I wrote a nice reasoned letter that protest is great, difference of opinion is understandable, exposure to various thought processes is vital in college but HATE speech cannot be condoned and must be addressed.

For what it's worth......

Re: #180
Thank you for your kind compliment Malatrope.

#113 arier_Tzvi
How can the west debug the brains of the Islamic extremist including those in our own country and North America?

Bravely outspoken truth. Votes. Education - of all the khafir's that you know and educating them on the history. Acurate and honest debate. It takes a brave person to speak the truth and to continue the debate even when the chips are down.

129 hiker 2/4/2007 02:33PM PST

#68 mama winger

"What is happening?"

They are surrendering. They have decided its better to be exterminated than to fight for their rights and to fight for their freedom and to fight for their children. I never thought I'd see that day when Israel would revert back to the attitude that doomed so many of her disapora: the pathetic attitude "What can we do? We are so few, and. maybe they won't go as far as they say they will, and will let us live in bondage instead of kill us."

Strange times, indeed.

Unfortunately, the situation is even more dire. Most jews are dems and won't change. They vote for their own demise, which is what they have been trying to accomplish. The black vote lies with dems. The "average" worker is bought with the dems by way of unions, etc... The educational system is dems and libs. Politicians..... Well, we have been infultrated. We let it. They knew this. They practiced on Lebanon. This IS the strategy. The NUKES are plab B. They have their own version of the diaspora, but more quiet in their national association. But we all know that ISLAM is not a RELIGION! It is a political movement and can disguise itself. Therefore, the misnomer is wrong in 2 ways. 1- It's more characteristic of a cult, 2- It IS a political movement. Both have equal parts and both are just as important. One suports the other at different times.
Bottom line = scary

Thank you to all who have written to the UC administration. Stay tuned...cuz in about 3 months, the fit will probably be hitting the shan during the annual Hate-Israel-fest. And in the meantime, I'm sure there'll be lots more to talk about...

#206 madmama

Congratulations, and it totally depends on the child in question.

Some kids are just more responsible than others.

Definitely start with something like a BB gun or Airsoft gun (even less risky) that is emphatically NOT a toy but is a way to practice for the real thing - and they must understand that they are NOT to "play" with it.

If they break the rule, wait. If they observe it, then maybe you can work your way up to a 22 LR rifle - they're cheap, under $100.

I was at the range this Saturday with the Step Dad (a great shot at 100 yds with an iron-sighted FAL carbine that he'd never fired before :), and a number of dads (and a mom) had their kids their practicing, seemed like as young as 10 or less. They were well-mannered kids, though one would never believe that he'd missed! :)

#209

That's a good idea... I bet Bill O'Reilly would love to do a story on how CA State funds are being used by a group which espouses radical islamic views.

Maybe he can even do a report from their campus in three months, when they have their annual Israel bashing event.

I wonder if Charles knows how to contact Bill directly?

Re: #14

Just voted in the Koz poll. Here is the updated results:

Who represents the biggest threat to America?

RW Christians like Limbaugh, Dobson, Dubya, and Coulter
50% 69 votes
RW Muslims like Osama Bin Laden
35% 48 votes
It's a tie between Bin Laden and the likes of Bill O'Reilly
9% 12 votes
Sponge Bob Square Pants and Barney
7% 10 votes
Don't know
0% 0 votes

| 139 votes | Vote | Results
Its scary -- NO SAD -- that 12 people think Bill O'Reilly is as big a threat to America as Bin Laden. People have very wrong ideals and morals.

I wrote to UCI too and pointed out that the only hate speakers they have there are those invited by the MSU. They have failed to educate their Muslim students the bounds of propriety that inhibit all other groups. They simply don't appreciate the fact that the MSU is manipulating the campus. They are pathologically fixated on Israel, that fraction of a percent of the Muslim world. You would think that the Muslims never conquered another land. But UCI allows them to come in as though they were conquerors and have the gall to impose their values on us.

UCI has a leftist faculty including the self-hating Jew Professor Mark LeVine who holds forth on Israel conspiracy theories. Lina Kreide, a Lebanese on faculty teaches a revisionist history of the Middle East and Israel is, guess what? and apartheidt, racist state.

There have been numerous complaints to the UCI Administration which they deflect one way on another. It is like pushing a string. They simply don't want to do anything about it. Somehow, someway, something has to done about this cesspool. I think ConcernedUCIStudent above has it right. Nothing less than an lawsuit that will either shut down the MSU anti-American, anti-semitic activities OR shut down the whole damn place. They turn out scores of anti-Semites and America haters each year.

On a lighter note, on a similar topic, check out what happened when Walid Shoebat, former PLO terrorist, came to speak at UC Davis Tuesday night:

[Link: verbalcaricature.com...]