Big surprise here. Not.

He wouldnt do that in TX or CO.

It was not clear in the report what political agenda Stone was supporting.

LMAO! Obviously, a very self-righteous one!

Did the moonbat even get a chance to brag about it on his blog before getting taken into custody?

Waiting for the media to rush to the defense of the Republican's first amendment rights...

*crickets*

Dude, give peace a chance. lol

We can just naturally understand that this gentleman was a Muslim, right?

Since there was no mention of any "understandable motive" for the attack?

And certainly no mention that he was a muslim...

#6 gitarfan:

Give a Peacemaker a chance.

Ah, a DU hero, no doubt ...

Meanwhile, Edwards continues to chew on his own feet ...

I called it early that he's not a serious candidate (see my blog entry about no-hope candidates) ... but he's imploding faster than even I predicted.

Another hero of the leftwing blogs.

Sudden LLL Syndrome?

Moonbat scum.

What's surprising is not that a nutball commie/anarcho/lib moonbat went all the way to a stranger's house to harass and attack them for their politics - it's that said moonbat was sufficiently un-stoned for a long enough period that he could leave the house and find his way to another one.

the suspect learned that the young residents had not enlisted in the military

but I'm sure the moonbat was a combat vet

The argument got heated and the suspect learned that the young residents had not enlisted in the military and “put their all” behind the Republican-led war effort in Iraq, police spokeswoman Natatia Bledsoe said.

So was this little gem from the police spokeman or just an 'accurate' description of the situation from some completely unbiased msm crapweasel journalist crapweasel.

Those anti-war people are sooo peaceful. Makes me feel ashamed of my violent tendencies. I was in a fight as recently as 1975. I'm so ashamed.

Give peace a chance, or I'll kick your a$$!

A light 20 guage shotgun as home defense would've gotten him to leave. Don't have to shoot it, just the sound of the slide pumping a round into the chamber has great pucker value when dealing with unwanted guests.

The suspect continued to be aggressive and disorderly even after a city police officer arrived, the report states.

As Kurtz said in Apocalypse Now, "The Horror, The Horror!"

Damn! Why can't I get this lucky. The silly bastard would have been begging to leave. Sonofabitch could use a really good beating. He'd learn I don't tolerate anybody coming to my home to make trouble, least of all a stupid moonbat.

#7 sndpaper

No, if he were a Muslim, the cops would likely be investigating a triple homicide.

Ineffective screaming tirades are the hallmark of the left.

This lunatic would have left my house in a bag, sporting a little .45 ACP bling.

#5 bomb truck

Waiting for the media to rush to the defense of the Republican's first amendment rights...

Or their SECOND amendment rights.

see what happens when you don't beleive in anything,
politics becomes your goD...
humans do that ya know

/ijit

"All you military-industrial-complex-supporters must go to war, or I shall assault you," says the pacifist.

Seriously now, I'm surprised this hasn't happened before. I'm sure we all have our little fantasies. I know if he was at my door there would be a different outcome.

#8 lol

Found a blog with the name Andrew Stone, but it looks defunct. No idea if t's him.

That is advanced moonbattery. I mean, poo for peace and the duck of peace are something different than basically asking to get smacked by refusing to leave private property.

The three roomies should have played a game called: 'How many times can you bitchslap a moonbat in 30 seconds?'
I just wish that I would be lucky enough to have one of those stupid sobs come to my house running his mouth.

I wonder if the nutcase realizes it was a Democrat controlled Senate that voted for the war and that 29 out of the 50 Dem senators voted for it.

Party Of Peace

#7 sndpaper
Seeing meanings that aren't there is a trait of schizophrenia. And moonbattery.

The argument got heated and the suspect learned that the young residents had not enlisted in the military and “put their all” behind the Republican-led war effort in Iraq, police spokeswoman Natatia Bledsoe said.

So, I assume that the lefties calling for action in Darfur will be going over there to do something?

"It was not clear in the report what political agenda Stone was supporting."

Charles: I think you might have this backwards.

Andrew Stone of Chesapeake VA was "a National Honor Society member, school Marshal, chairman of the Interact Club, vice president of the Young Republicans, SCA historian and member of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and varsity track. He plans to major in chemistry at Virginia Military Institute, where he will prepare for a military career or medical school."
[Virginian-Pilot (Norfolk, Va.), June 17, 2001]

Doesn't sound like a Leftist moonbat.

The three roomies should have played a game called: 'How many times can you bitchslap a moonbat in 30 seconds?'
I just wish that I would be lucky enough to have one of those stupid sobs come to my house running his mouth.

This is not unusual. During the Republican National Convention in NY, I was threatened by a peace protester at Union Square. I was standing with a group of Protest Warriors when this guy kept circling around us. I guess he was sizing us up. He then walked around behind us and threw water on me. I guess he chose me because I was the smallest of the group. When I asked him if he spit on me, he said, "Let's go over to that alley over there." He couldn't see the three police officers were standing behind him. I looked at them, they kind of smiled and shook their head and shooed the guy away. I asked them if he came back, could I lay him out. They said as I was out numbered about 10,000 to 1, I should probably just let them handle it.

Lucky for both of us, he didn't come back.

This is not unusual. During the Republican National Convention in NY, I was threatened by a peace protester at Union Square. I was standing with a group of Protest Warriors when this guy kept circling around us. I guess he was sizing us up. He then walked around behind us and threw water on me. I guess he chose me because I was the smallest of the group. When I asked him if he spit on me, he said, "Let's go over to that alley over there." He couldn't see the three police officers were standing behind him. I looked at them, they kind of smiled and shook their head and shooed the guy away. I asked them if he came back, could I lay him out. They said as I was out numbered about 10,000 to 1, I should probably just let them handle it.

Lucky for both of us, he didn't come back.

The argument got heated and the suspect learned that the young residents had not enlisted in the military and “put their all” behind the Republican-led war effort in Iraq, police spokeswoman Natatia Bledsoe said.

So, I assume that the lefties calling for action in Darfur will be going over there to do something?

Belligerent moonbats are always warmly welcomed at my house.

/anyone found here at night will be found here in the morning
//drive-through...off to another fun night in the ER

Speaking of moonbats

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi: We don't support the terrorists - but we support their mission! In the interest of our children we have a moral responsibility to do what appears easier in the short term.

[Link: www.thepeoplescube.com...]

I don't believe the victims were Republicans - the perp. doesn't have any bullet holes in him.

Anyone on the Democrat Underground forums ([Link: www.democratunderground.com...] missing today? lol!

#17

I agree that attacking the homes of young Republicans just screams "I'm a big fat idiot". This person could have easily ended up with terminal lead poisoning.

But to disagree a bit, I've always felt that that "sound of the shotgun racking" stuff is just a hoary myth (repated for the benefit of Walter Mitty types in gun mags).

How tactically sound is it to a. Let an intruder (or more than one) know exactly where you are, and b. how you are armed? Are you actually going to wait until an intruder gets within earshot before arming your weapon?

Lets say the intruder(s?) doesn't hear the sound, what are you going to do, rack it again (and eject a live round in the process)? How about playing a looped recording of a shotgun racking sound 24-7 from speakers concealed in your front porch?

50,000 Canadian mos support domestic terrorism.

Fully 12% of Muslim Canadians polled by Environics said the alleged terrorist plot -- that included kidnapping and beheading the prime minister and blowing up Parliament and the CBC -- was justified.

Link here.
No wonder such good friends, mos and moonbats.
Nothing like a good beheading to teach us Infidels a lesson.

Hold your water, lizards. Perp might be right-wing.

The NY Sun calls it Heros and Cowards, I call it More Cowards Than Heros.

Either way, interesting reading.

Now you know why I got to such great pains to hide my identity! Imagine an entire metropolitan area filled with lunatics like the guy who attacked those people.

#33 Terp Mole
Got a link for that? Googling the guy's name trurned up about a dozen different people in the DC area (3-4 in Richmond). It's a pretty common name.

OT
From Powerline. CAIR supports terror and a Fed Judge catches on:

[Link: powerlineblog.com...]

#33 Terp Mole

Dates/Ages and Location match up.

Let me ping my keydet buddies to see if they spawned a moonbat.

Ideological exchange on the market: the Muslims get the post-colonial, cultural-Marxist language from the moonbats, and the moonbats barter that for the Muslims' produce of reacting violently to any opposing view. Bosom friends they are--at least until one of them achieves its revolutionary goal...

Not so OT:

Justin Raimondo, head honcho of Antiwar.com, gives a fine display of Arkinism in his article, Murder, Inc. A highlight:

Support our troops? Hell no. Anyone who "supports the troops" is an accomplice to their deeds. The evidence shows clearly that these are not innocent babes in the woods: they are wolves, predators, killers, deeply, profoundly implicated in what will go down in history as a horrific war of aggression.

The original has several "supporting" links from YouTube. I'm just too lazy to reincorporate them, so go to the above link.

BDS is a real psychological condition.

I know from personal experience.

Party of Psychopaths

If only they'd get riled up about the islamofascist threat as they do about Bushitler and ReThugliKKans, America would be in great shape

Sadly, most lefties, like this freak, have a bigger hardon over Bush than the real genocidal maniacs of the world

I have two questions:

Does that count as combat?

and, if so,

Are they still "chickenhawks"?

Aardvark

right wing, left wing, or chicken wing.

Bitch, you show up at my house sportin some tude, there will be a problem.

In typical, libby-dibby style. Lookout for the peace and love crowd.

This incident may be a hint of things to come.

Cowards on the Left will track us down and show up at our doors. Now Im ex-military and weigh in at 220 lbs and I can take care of myself, but my 115 lb wife and infant child cannot defend themselves.

So, I guess Ill keep my powder dry and trust in Charles to guard our info, because I do trust him and most of the regulars on this site.

Awww. I live just up the road! How come these moonbats don't visit my house?

My friends Smith & Wesson would have made some very profound arguments. Six to be precise.

``I saw a flash of metal, officer, and I feared for my life and that of my family.''

Killgore Trout: Got a link for that? Googling the guy's name trurned up about a dozen different people in the DC area (3-4 in Richmond). It's a pretty common name.

I did a Lex-Nex search in Virginia papers for Andrew Stone.

One Andrew Stone graduated in 2001 in Chesapeake, VA which would make him ~23 now (age cited in Charles' source).

Referenced Virginia-Pilot article @ #33 cites his perfect attendance record, VP of Young Republican and plans to attend VMI.

Terp Mole could be right. It seems this guy felt the roomies were insufficiently supportive of the war in Iraq because they hadn't enlisted. However, this really pisses me off:

The argument got heated and the suspect learned that the young residents had not enlisted in the military and “put their all” behind the Republican-led war effort in Iraq, police spokeswoman Natatia Bledsoe said.

Gotta get that little editorial in there, doncha? It's Bush's war. Media asswipes.

I leave my home town and this is what happens.

I bet the suspect listened a lot to NPR and Pacifica Radio.

Better to be chicken-hawk than just a plain old chicken.

Oh how I wish someone would try this with me.

Funny

Peaceniks and Religion of Peaceniks LOVE violence.

I take it that with this statement:

the suspect learned that the young residents had not enlisted in the military

This means that he believes that if you support the mission in Iraq, you MUST enlist in the military and take part in the operations, otherwise, you're just not serious and should not be taken seriously. He, on the otherhand is FULLY SUPPORTING his anti-war stance by actively NOT enlisting in the military.

Makes perfect sense to me...?

I'm still looking for the stats, but I'm pretty sure that in the US you are more likely to be injured or killed by a Democrat than by any other political affiliate... and it's been this way since the Confederates fired on Fort Sumter.

Anyone want to help prove/disprove this thought? Just curious.

#30 Magalaga Ding Dong

(Just) Party Of Occasional Peace

fixed

Pull that crap at my house and you'll say hello to my little friend...

It says they were strangers, but it seems like they both visited the same blog. So maybe they "knew" each other online. Would be interesting to hear the backstory.

Maybe I'm just City-fied, but I don't open my door to anyone I don't know, much less let them in which it seems they did, "the suspect refused to leave the home." The story leaves out a lot of detail so it's hard to say how it all transpired. Even so, they could have gotten seriously hurt by this nut.

Charles,

My desktop went kaplooie two months ago and my laptop went yesterday. Oh well time to upgraded, they were both maxed out 6 and 7 year old Pentium II machines that had been limping along for the past year or so. In the meantime I will be here on a Motorola Q. One problem though is that on threads of greater than 200 or so comments in PC mode, the cursor will not follow beyond that point and allow me to activate hotlinks or the scripts in the comments machine. Any ideas? I am going to try the windows mobile version and see if it allows scripting through the entire thread.
Windows Mobile is more cumbersome due to page clipping so I prefer PC mode.

Well it's understandable, isn't it? Anyone implying that moonbats are not a peaceful people is just asking for a fat lip.

#61 Ojoe

I'm no defender of NPR's politics, but I believe they fall into the general category "Soft Moonbat" whereas Pacifica definitely caters to a "Hard Moonbat" audience.

The Hard Moonbats--like the jihadists--threaten our culture and ultimately our safety. It is against them as much as against jihadists that citizens should be armed and alert (far more difficult to do here in Canada).

At least he didn't set himself on fire.

Progress?

#42:

I can assure you from personal experience: When Mr. Mossberg speaks, people scatter.

If he happened to do that in OK, I can legally blow his head off, no questions asked if he's found inside my door. "Make my day laws are a good thing..."

Sponge @ #65: He, on the otherhand is FULLY SUPPORTING his anti-war stance by actively NOT enlisting in the military.

Actually, if he went to VMI (as planned in 2001)-- and graduated ~2005-- that leaves plenty of time to have begun military service.

This may be a young Republican gone wild, guys.

One of my favorite parts in the film Gettysburg, was when Union soldiers, many of whom survived the defeat at Fredericksburg the year before, chanted the city's name at the Confederates as if the word itself were a weapon.

"Fredericksburg! Fredericksburg! Fredericksburg!"

I suppose that's less sinister than the anonymous white powder of mystery, but what the hell is wrong with people?

A light 20 guage shotgun as home defense would've gotten him to leave. Don't have to shoot it, just the sound of the slide pumping a round into the chamber has great pucker value when dealing with unwanted guests.

I used to work with a guy, an ER doctor, who was vigorously anti-gun, anti-self defence. We had a spate of carjackings by the same perps, who escalated their attacks until they began shooting or beating the unresisting victims, until one lady called her husband on her cell and said she was being followed. Hubby said, "Come on home, I'll be waiting." Sure enough, these guys were the 'jackers, and pulled in behind her car in her driveway (their MO) and one jumped out and ran towards the car. Hubby then came out from behind a bush with a shotgun and the carjacker suddenly remembered he had some laundry to pick up. After the news reported this while the doc and I were both watching the TV, I made some comment about how this was an effective use of a firearm - twisting his tail a bit, as he always said guns were no good for personal protection. Boy did he go balistic.

A few weeks later, someone had one of those cheesy keychains which say funny things when you push a button, and he commented that "someone should make one of those that sounds like a shotgun being racked, for people to use in their homes and scare intruders out." I said, "So, guns are no good for self protection, but the artificial sound of one is?" He had no answer to that.

Moonbats don't think; they feel. So does your hamster.

33/76 Terp Mole

[Link: www.vmi.edu...]

Still a common name.

#42 -

Your comments lead me to believe you are not familiar with A) the sound of a pump-action shotgun or B) the trajectory of shot as it exits said shotgun.

Sure, Gun Control is best defined as "hitting your target with 1 shot" but when Mr Mossberg (see #74) or Mr Remington clear their respective throats and are about to speak, people listen. Then they run.

#42

I've always felt that that "sound of the shotgun racking" stuff is just a hoary myth (repated for the benefit of Walter Mitty types in gun mags).

It would stop me dead in my tracks...but I've seen the level of damage a shotgun with a defensive load can cause.

Terp Mole:

The article is poorly written so its difficult to tell what transpired and why. We definitely dont have the full story. Could be an overzealous rightwinger, but those are comparitively rare. That's why everyone is making the assumption this guy is a moonbat, because there are just some many unhinged moonbats.

That being said there's no excuse to go to somebody's house or apartment and start a fight. Unless, you have a serious death wish.

#70 Ackomanyuki

I use a Moto Q as well. It is a great little web-browser in a pinch, but definitely not intended for a site as intensive as LGF. I don't think there is much Charles can (or would want to) do to accomodate these devices.

Terp #33,

That link is 6 yrs old. He would have been 17 at the time. His name is a common enough name. Im guessing it wasn't him.

Playing that game in Texas will get ya dusted.

hard to miss with a shotgun

Ahh, just another day in a "peace activist". "Agree with me or else". This is why the castle doctrine needs to be a Federal Law.

Wow - more LLL Meltdown hilarity! This really is funny stuff.

I missed this in the paper this morning (I live in Fredericksburg, well, just outside of town, anyway), so I'll have to keep my eye on it and see if the guy was truly a moonbat or a right-winger gone wild.

He's near my daughter's age, so I'll see if she knows him.

#72 Pro-Bush

You point about the varying degrees of lunacy being well taken, forgive me to quibble, but IMO there is no such thing as a "soft moonbat".

If I understand it correctly, the term implies someone with extreme beliefs, not just anyone who is liberal or left of center.

I think the term loses its value when applied too (um. . .) liberally.

#60 19kilo,

Hey, I think we got something in common...Ft. Knox?

Dang, why did these guys get all the fun?

#54 formercorpsman

right wing, left wing, or chicken wing.

Bitch, you show up at my house sportin some tude, there will be a problem.

Ditto. Dude would have left with at least one broken kneecap. Kinda hard to cause a problem with a shattered knee.

The argument got heated and the suspect learned that the young residents had not enlisted in the military and “put their all” behind the Republican-led war effort in Iraq, police spokeswoman Natatia Bledsoe said.

One of my uncles actually tried this shit with me (leave out the cyber-stalking), conveninetly forgetting that I actually had enlisted in the Army in the 1990s.

By the way, exactly how important is the fact that the residents were not enlisted in the military? Was one of them passing themselves off as vets while online? Or (more likely) is this a gratuitous attempt by the MSM to have them painted as 'chickenhawks' after getting attacked in their own homes?

/What was the moonbat's MOS?

I thought they were against violence as a means of resolving a conflict. Silly me. I forgot it is only applies to the US military.

Murqtaad: That link is 6 yrs old. He would have been 17 at the time. His name is a common enough name. Im guessing it wasn't him.

Yes, he would have been ~17 in 2001 (as the VA-Pilot article @ #33 states)... and ~23 years old now (as Charles' article states)... and a VMI cadet in 2005 (as de La Valette @ #80 picture clearly shows). That's a pretty good correlation for one dude in the Virginia area w/ likely strong opinions on the war.

I'm not saying this is the guy... I'm simply saying hold your water, lizards.

What if the "anti-war activist" moonbat turns out to be a pro-war, Young Republican, VMI grad? Any lizards want their incontinent remarks hoisted on their own petards by KosKidz? Anybody?

just the sound of the slide pumping a round into the chamber has great pucker value when dealing with unwanted guest

Sorry, but I've always followed the following philosophy:

1: don't own a gun unless you've already accepted that you may have to use it, and accept the possible consequences.

2: don't draw it unless you're planning to use it.

3: don't use it unless you plan on killing with it.

#76 Terp Mole

This may be a young Republican gone wild, guys.

Nah, I think it's just a not-uncommon name. Google offers this "Andrew Stone" as a much more likely one, I think - a student (or former student) at the University of Mary Washington in Fredericksburg. This is from "The 2005 Student Academy on Information Technologies Program and Schedule of Events"

Student filmmakers will introduce and screen their prize-winning entries from the second annual UMW Film Festival. Films shown are Elise Tobin’s The Nutcrackers, Andrew Stone and Whit Varner's Two Fish, Dead Fish: Vol. 2, and Matt Kirchner's No Shirt No Service.

[Link: www.umw.edu...]

Another page there lists an "Andrew Jefferson Stone" in the class of 2006. The original news report says he's 23 years old, which would be about right.

#81
From personal experience I am quite familiar with what happens when a shotgun is fired. Your assumptions about my ignorance don't alter my opinion about the tactical value of making clicky noises with one, thank you.

#79

"someone should make one of those that sounds like a shotgun being racked, for people to use in their homes and scare intruders out."

If you want a reasonable noise deterrent, how about that implement known as a "German Shephard"?

Just seems to me that if Mr. Stone was the cadet, the MSM wouldn't have left that tidbit out.

#98 - beblebrox

I agree with you, man. I would add:

4: Assess what is behind your target before engaging. Walls, especially in today's homes, are not very thick.

---
I protect with a my .45cal Kimber, Custom Pro Raptor II... I like the 4" barrels versus the 6"...

#103 Noam Chumpski

my .45cal Kimber, Custom Pro Raptor II

Very nice. I've got a Romanian SAR-1 for in house use, though I wouldn't mind supplementing that with a M1897 Trench Gun.

I find the Bulgarian Makarov 9mm to be a nice concealed carry weapon.

To add to the point, though; the majority of people killed with their own guns by criminals didn't use them when they had the chance, or did something stupid like tried to shoot someone in the leg, rather than go for center mass and head.

In the meanwhile let me introduce you to a veteran from GA.
Just 19 months ago, Richard Ingram lay on his back trying to avert his eyes from the burning Iraqi sun. Ingram's left arm dangled, nearly severed, next to him, as he kneaded the ground with his combat boots to cope with the pain.
---snip---
Today, Ingram walks the halls of the Georgia Capitol in Atlanta as an intern for Sen. Jon Douglas (R-Social Circle), chairman of the Senate Veterans and Military Affairs Committee. Ingram has traded desert camoflauge for a suit and tie; combat boots for wing-tipped loafers. The only indication of his past is the double-pronged metal hook that juts out of his left coat sleeve.
---snip---
But where would the 23-year-old rather be?
Ingram wants to finish his degree at North Georgia College & State University so he can be commissioned as an Army officer. Despite daily coverage of sectarian and anti-U.S. violence, Ingram said he is ready to go back to Iraq.
"I haven't given enough until I've given all," said Ingram, who was a cavalry scout based at a Douglasville armory with the 48th Brigade Combat Team of the Georgia Army National Guard. "I'm not going over there to die on the battlefield. But if that's what it comes down to — you've got to think about the guys that have actually given their lives for the country, and I haven't given that. If there's guys out there who have given all, I always have something else to give."

//Oh yeah ladies he says he is available

#79 Great line, with your permission I'm going to relay that story to many people.
Here are some more ulcer-giving questions:

If guns are no good for self defense, then why do police carry weapons?

Well, well, that's not self defense, that's to protect other people.

I see, protecting other people with guns is OK but protecting self with guns is bad.
Another response moonbats give is:

Police are trained pros, they know how to react to situations.

Counter with: No one knows the layout of my house better than I do. I know where dogs/cats/kids/wife are located, cops don't. That really gets them.

Finally: I cannot protect myself with firearms, but it's OK to call a stranger (cop) to protect me right? They usually walk away angry and pouting at this point.

#97 Terp Mole

I don't think it matters if the guys was VMI or not. You stick your nose in someones home looking for a fight. You just may find it.

#98 beglebrox

Sorry, but I've always followed the following philosophy:
1: don't own a gun unless you've already accepted that you may have to use it, and accept the possible consequences.
2: don't draw it unless you're planning to use it.
3: don't use it unless you plan on killing with it.

Regardless of whether or not one belongs to category #1, NRA membership is important. You don't have to own a gun to benefit from the 2nd Amendment.

72 Pro-Bush Canuck

Yes, I agree with you Pacifica Radio is the hard core; the news there is delivered dripping with scorn and hatred.

Murqtaad: Just seems to me that if Mr. Stone was the cadet, the MSM wouldn't have left that tidbit out.

Mainstream? The Fredericksburg Freelance Star? Notwithstanding, ever heard of MSM omitting facts?

bofh @ #90: Now that's the kind of lizardoid research I expect. Excellent job.

Now let's see if anybody can dig up the police report.

And lo, there was an article about this sort of thing in the New Duranty Times today.

Something to do with the amygdala. Is that where the irony gland is located? So many moonbats seem to have suffered damage to theirs at some point in their lives...

Terp,

Mainstream? The Fredericksburg Freelance Star? Notwithstanding, ever heard of MSM omitting facts?

The MSM omits facts, but not when they could hurt the political right. Like I said, if he was a cadet, I'm pretty sure the same paper that used the term, "Republican-led war effort" would not have left out that fact. Jussayin.

if this was some "rethuglican" assaulting a poor, defenseless tofu-eating left-winger, the mainstream media would be all over it like oprah on a baked ham. since it's the opposite, safe to say this will be the only coverage of it...
"hey man, i'm open-minded and tolerant of all views...just as long as they conform with my far-out, freaky, far left-leaning ones!"

#42 I have a Remington Defender 20 gauge. I consider racking one in the chamber as a "fair warning, get the !#%# out of my house now!"

After that, I won't mind spackling/replacing drywall.

The Other Elizabeth
Imperial Keeper

I love the "guns are no good for self-defense" line. In a world where private ownership is outlawed, the police, military and ELECTED officials will all have the right to own and carry.

Just like they do now. Most people don't realize that even Chicago City Aldermen have the automatic right to own and carry.
"Federal documents made public Friday show the scope of the investigation into Chicago Ald. Arenda Troutman and indicate the FBI may not be done looking into her connections to street gangs.

Evidence logs from searches of Troutman's home and office on Monday also show that agents allegedly found suspected drugs, drug paraphernalia and a handgun.Aldermen are an exception to Chicago's ban on handguns, and Adam said he believes Troutman's gun was lawfully owned and kept.

Adam said Troutman needed protection in the economically depressed area where she lives and serves. Her home has been broken into in the past, and the gun was registered to a private detective who left it for her, Adam said."

#105

You know, I just shot a SAR-1 for the first time (a friend's) 2 weeks ago at a range. Really great weapon and I liked it a lot. My buddy swears by hers.

I hate to sound like a Kimber punk, but have you seen their 1911 sub-compacts (3" barrel)? They are very light and great for a carry/car piece, but I honestly respect your choice there with the 9mm...

I hear you, too, that many people are killed by their own weapons, but so are most Police officers :) I taught my girlfriend to hit a tight group at 50 feet with the 45. I'm confident that she would never defer to the leg given the chance; she's a great shot.

Murqtaad: Like I said, if he was a cadet, I'm pretty sure the same paper that used the term, "Republican-led war effort" would not have left out that fact. Jussayin.

Agreed... assuming reporters knew Stone was a cadet. Somehow, I don't think he'd voluntarily disclose VMI affiliation-- nor be required to by police.

Again, the article states...

It was not clear in the report what political agenda Stone was supporting.

I'd like to say it was Leftists, but who can really tell from this article?

Ain't going to be much longer before we have stalker moonbats although the "Rethuglicans" are most likely armed and will feed them to the hogs later.

Feeding moonbats to the pigs is halal as far as I am concerned...hehehe...

#108 Dustoff-507

I don't think it matters if the guys was VMI or not.

It doesn't matter too much to us if we're on the receiving end of the home invasion, but the media loves it when graduates of such institutions act out violently. It "proves" that the institutions make jackbooted thugs out of sweet little boys, or something.

#117 ggt

Adam said Troutman needed protection in the economically depressed area where she lives and serves.

And OF COURSE no one at the Trib wondered if her constituents had a similar need.

#117 ggt: So the alderperson deserves protection in her "depressed neighborhood," but her constituents don't. Typical elitist lefty crap.

OT, How about that John McCain attacking Donald Rumsfeld down in South Carolina as possibly the worst defense secretary ever? What next from this media attention lover, that Robert McNamara was a genius despite getting nearly 60,000 Americans killed in Vietnam?

McCain hatred of Don Rumsfeld predates 9/11 but I don't know why. Saying these things seems just another way for McCain undermine the administration while hoping to get the Republican party nomination for president and woo wobblies who hate the President.

81 JnT

Mr Winchester makes a convincing argument as well.

89 beblebrox

So do I.
So did I.

109 ggt

The NRA is useless, as effective as tits on a bull. They cave in to the left on too many issues. The GOA is who I put my trust in to lead the fight for my 2nd Amenment rights.

PIMF my 126

98 beblebrox

/just washed my hands and can't do a thing with them.

what a maroon! "momma turn loose the dog" time i guess.
jeez be careful out there folks!

#121 the illustrious TFK

I hear you buddy, and I do not doubt for one second your story. But my wife and I maintain a "hallway duty" weapon (benelli 12ga, .00 buck), and it is really hard to imagine any human standing up to it, at least at the ranges we would have to use it. In fact my wife's whole training with the thing has been under the notion of "God I hope I never have to use it, but if I do I only want to have to pull the trigger once." One shot is all she is expecting in other words...

But thanks for the story anyways! Like I said I don't doubt it for one second.

daltec

#116 The Other Elizabeth

Of course it would be a fair warning, but that's not the point. Why are you warning someone who might be there specifically to abduct your children, rape or murder you? (If you don't believe your life is at risk, why did you pull out a shotgun to begin with?). What if they don't hear or heed the warning?

I look at it this way. If there is an intruder present, dumb enough to enter my home with someone who might be armed (ie me) in it, ipso facto their judgment is bad. How am I to know that they aren't armed themselves, have one or more armed accomplices with them, are drunk or otherwise intoxicated on drugs, desperate, suicidal, or some combination of the above?

If the situation is such that I have picked up a shotgun with the idea that I am going to defend myself or family with it, I am not waiting until some lughead gets within earshot before arming it. If it so happens that while arming the gun they hear me and run away, so much the better, but to my mind that isn't the purpose of loading the gun, and I am surely not counting on any deterrent effect of loading noise. If I am fortunate enough to have the element of suprise on my side, I am not going to throw it away by making unnecessary noises.

Incidentally, my preferred home defense gun is a pistol (357 revolver actually). Advantages over a long gun are increased maneuverability, ability to be fired one handed (either hand), easier to store and/or conceal quickly, and harder to grab. (Also easier to use by others in household, as necessary). Nothing wrong with a shotgun, though; that has its own advantages.

I don't think large caliber (> 22 cal. or buckshot) firearms are good weapons for in-home defense. In my neck of the woods some clown a few years back accidently discharged a 9mm and the projectile pierced throught four mobile homes before striking and killing a lady. If you discharge a firearm in your house and the projectile injures or kills someone outside of your house you are looking at a homicide rap or at a minimum, manslaughter. It is best to use some kind of firearm that uses ammo that will not travel far and can be stopped by modern construction materials.

Personally, I own a kendo fighting stick made of cherry wood. It is very dense and can shatter bone if used properly. Not a bad weapon for use against unarmed or intruders armed with knives for example. If I have to deal with intruders armed with firearms then either my shotgun with 00 buckshot or 22 cal semi-auto with thrity round magazine should work nicely.

Terp Mole and others

I hoping he was a keydet (VMI for cadet), because I have been giving my cubical mates sh*t all day about it. They are calling around to find out.

Oops! My mistake, 00 buckshot are the size of marbles. I should have said birdshot. 00 buckshot would not be good ammo for in-home defense.

#121 TFK

Yikes. Its all about "shot placement".

I once saw a guy brought into an urban ER who get shot point blank in the head with a 9mm. . .he was fine (as in totally fine), and it wasn't because of the "wussiness" of the 9mm round.

To make the story short, he was burned in a drug deal, shot and left for dead.

The bullet struck the front of his skull at a glancing angle, tracked under his skin around the back of his skull and lodged in the skin at the top of the nape of his neck. He fell down, quite sure he was dead, and the shooter left.

You should have seen the look on the face of the trauma surgeon on call when he looked at the X-rays. Anyway, said surgeon took out the bullet under local anesthesia with a scalpel and a pair of forceps.

Damn lucky, absolutely, but it gives you pause.

#126

Check out Jews for the Preservation of Firearms ownership. Not as big as GOA, but a very fine organization nevertheless.

Terp Mole, Murqtaad:

Andrew Stone is a very common name. My money says the guy from VMI is too smart to get involved in a clusterf***.

But even right wingers can become unhinged on occasion.

#103
#105

I just added to the collection (as of yesterday) a SIG SAUER P6, or otherwise known in the states as a P225. They are just about perfect for a concealed carry (single stack, 8 standard) but the down side of this firearm is the fact it is only a 9-millimeter.

The chaos of the police reorganizations that followed the 1972 Black September terrorist attack on Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics, created the breeding ground for this firearm. The West Germans set standards for police-issue handguns with: 9mm chambering, a magazine capacity of at least 8 rounds, and dimensions just slightly smaller than the P220. The P220 in 9mm was shortened, sacrificing one round of its 9 round magazine capacity, and dubbed the P225. The P225 was the first SIG-Sauer handgun with a hammer reset spring.

The West Germans deemed the SIG-Sauer P225 acceptable and designated it the P6. These are a bit hard to find here in the US (now its not super-rare mind you, it’s just wandering into your local shop and finding a P6 is not usually a normal event for most gun owners. The store I got mine from had 5 shipped to them and I got the last one, and they had been on the shelves for a week.)

It is a reliable 9-millimeter for those looking for an effective concealed / carry weapon.

I live in Texas and yeah, if he had done that my house he wouldn't have been taken into custody, he would have been taken to the hospital at best.

#136 Capt. Faust
Neat background info; I didn't know the history on that.

#131 Tracer
I respect how you feel about caliber size, but a .22 will not stop someone, especially a large person or someone wearing several layers of clothing (in winter) unless you get that perfect hit in some terribly vulnerable place. Even a 9mm is criticized as "too light" by some of my buddies in enforcement and the military.

It's a shame about the 'trailer' discharge, and I understand your point, but it's an isolated incident that shouldn't deter individuals from exercising their right to sufficient protection.

Whomever mentioned the .357 revolver had the right track as a revolver (in contrast to a pistol) is wonderfully reliable, easy to use/maintain, and the .357 round will physically spin a person around when hit just about anywhere; great if you're new to guns. I prefer pistols, but pistols are usually best only if you're comfortable/experienced with them as most "home" situations are acted out in the dark. Revolvers are often just 'plug and play' without distracting thumb safety's, clips, and other fun stuff...

OT: A home intruder was killed last night here in Atlanta coming through the garage door of a local resident.

The suspect refused to leave the home after repeatedly being asked to do so, police said. The three roommates were hit multiple times each as they attempted to get the suspect out of the door, authorities said.

A very fortunate moonbat indeed, if you can call it that.

Anyone who is a stranger, who ever enters my home, if asked to leave and refuses, and if ever takes a swing at me, will be found in a very prostrate, still condition when the police arrive.

I keep a full sized, combat ready katana sword and a cherrywood staff in my house.

If anyone tried that with me, I would turn both halves of him over to the police.

He may do it in GA, but it would probably turn out alot different for him. Unwanted trespassers are usually clear of the homeowners feelings pretty quickly around here.

lucky guy...

Imagine if you will:

You are a burglar/intruder. You are in a home only dimly lit by moonlight. It is very quiet. You are going about your nefarious activities when you hear the sound of a (pick your brand name) pump action shotgun action being activated.

"Step in my 'hood"
I'ts understood
"IT'S OPEN SEASON"

If anyone would like to see the true vehemence of the peace crowd, feel free to show up and counter protest any demonstration. Now I know that many in this audience may be of the particular persuasion that if your counter demonstrating, your on the defensive, and that it is not necessary for national defense…but let me tell you what has happened to me during my many times I’ve gone to support the Freepers / Protest warriors…

-“Peace” anarchists have spit on me…

-Hit by some kind or unknown balloon filled with water/piss?

-Hit in the chest and the neck by paint filled balloons tosses by “peaceful” protesters

-Verbally and physically threatened by socialists / anarchists / code pink / anti-war personnel / supporters of Hamas / marijuana legalization personnel and countless others (each of them were all different groups, and the marijuana guys threw me for a loop! I assumed all the stoners wouldn’t try to browbeat a 6’1 245 pound ex-rugger…but they did, and all I could do was laugh…)

-Flicked off by people from all walks of lefty life (that ranges from gay activates, grandmothers, 911 truthers, thousands of college students with Che shirts, supporters of radical Palestinian causes, a number of organic smelling dreadlocked white hippies, drunk / high / on some sort of thing protesters, people holding the peace duck etc.)

-Watched as “peaceful” people wrecked havoc and destroyed private /government property…

I could go on and on! But the point is that the counter protests are insightful and invigorating. You’ll see all kinds of oddities NEVER picked up by the MSM…and it feels Damn good when one man can stop 2-3,000 loonies in the middle of their march to have them yell at you…imagine that, the people have to stop and heckle one guy with a flag, because he is not part of the groupthink!

As for 3/17 in DC…you’ll find me there! I won’t tell you who I am, but you’ll know the Capt when you see him…trust me on this.

#84 Pro-Bush Canuck

Thanks, I thought perhaps the lizard king had inadvertently made an omission in all of the recoding he has done here lately. The browser works fine up to about 200 posts. Ity downloads fullpages, it just won't let the cursor scroll down past about a two hundred comments. This will soon be a moot issue for me as I have just spent the last couple of ours putting auctions of desktops on my &Bay watch list. Something that would have taken me 15 minutes with a cable linked compter instead of this snail paced handheld. By midnight tonight I will have purchased something ten times faster than my old PIIs.

Thanks again for the heads up.

This makes me want to go out and buy a backhoe for the tractor. Already got the gun. It might be the beginning of a trend :-)
SJ

For Libs ..free speech begins at your nose.

Cindy?

Ohhh Ohhh!

I see a new show on the horizon!

Dateline NBC "To Catch a Moonbat"

Nah... nevermind, they won't eat their own.

They should have done the Cool Jerk up and down his spinal column.

This is why people use pseudonyms. Too many f'n lunatics online not to.

I think a very excitable reporter filed a non story about a group of drunk young republican males, who got into a drunken brawl. Why do I think this? Experience with young, drunken, republican males.

Ding Ding Ding! Paging Terp Mole...

Major BDS/Moonbat sighting... from a posting on the webbforsenate.org blog.

Andrew Stone's mash note to Senator-Elect Webb

Here it is, in full, to give it that full, rich flavor:

Mr. Webb,

I am 23 years old, I have never served in the military, I have never seen war and I hope never to have to see this one. When you rudely informed the president of the fact that he has never seen it either, you were being as polite as possible given the circumstances. What else could you have done, when the situation itself begged for rudeness?

George W. Bush, inquiring with obvious folksy concern as to the well-being of your son in a war he has never known and will never know and will never have his family members know, recieved [sic] from you a rude answer. How could it have been different? His only stake in the well-being of your son is shallow and political--it would make for a discomforting press conference for Mr. Tony Snow, and above all this president protects his own. But as you must suspect your son is unknown to this president and thus undeserving of his protection.

If your son were vaporized in a car-bomb explosion, would that tip this president towards a more humble and reverent stance concerning his own mistakes and lies? Would it make him think? Would it change even one word that escaped his lips or those of his handlers and enablers?

I hope, sir, that in the future you will give Mr. Bush every ounce of respect to which he is entitled, which is to say none at all. An office is only as sacred as the one who holds it, and when one has betrayed his country we must betray normal ettiquette and lash out with whatever verbal stones we can.

Thank you for your effort, and please do not hold back next time. Every party can use a rock star.

Andrew Stone
Fredericksburg, Virginia.

"Rock star"?. Read it and then imagine this raving nutter turning up at your door...

I'm sorry folks, I'm going to take a different tact. 3 guys were asaulted by some stinking fucking hippy? Give me a fucking break. It's been more years since I care to remember since I was in college, but if some anti-war stinking asshole shows up at my door and it sure as hell wasn't going to be that pressed charges.

Stop being Michael Fox from Family Ties and start being a gun toting badass from Texas.

Pussies.

While the attacker most likely is an anti-war liberal kind of guy, two articles I read stated that his political background is not clear.

There are some lunatics on the right, too - on the far, far right - and it could be that this guy is so incredibly gung-ho, over the top military, etc., that he thinks these particular Republicans were girile-men for not stepping up to the plate and serving in Iraq.

#154 Gromster

While the attacker most likely is an anti-war liberal kind of guy, two articles I read stated that his political background is not clear.

You're kidding, right? Read my post #152. The "unclear background" was just lame-ass highschool level reporting.

Why couldn't this happen to ME?

First, I would have informed the assclown that I did, in fact, serve the military and went to Iraq.

Next, I would have had a friend call the police to report his trespassing... in the meantime, I would have rammed my fist through his face. When my friend came back and found the unconcious moonbat laying on the front porch, I'd say he got froggy and I had to put him down. He wouldn't leave.

When someone stalks you like that, I'm not sure if an assault charge would stick when you're just defending yourself...pre-emptively even.

New Jersey law says drag them into the house after.
Why make it hard for the cops ?

bofh @ #152: Ding Ding Ding! Paging Terp Mole...

Major BDS/Moonbat sighting... from a posting on the webbforsenate.org blog.

Andrew Stone's mash note to Senator-Elect Webb

Now that's some nice sloothing, bfoh. Deserves a post update from Charles.

Appears VMI cadet Andrew Stone was not the perp. Once again, lizards demonstrate their superior research abilities over dinosaur media. Sounds like a local Webb supporter.

I hope, sir, that in the future you will give Mr. Bush every ounce of respect to which he is entitled, which is to say none at all. An office is only as sacred as the one who holds it, and when one has betrayed his country we must betray normal ettiquette and lash out with whatever verbal stones we can.

Thank you for your effort, and please do not hold back next time. Every party can use a rock star.
Andrew Stone
Fredericksburg, Virginia

Apparently, this Stoner decided to take his own advise.

Let the moonbat(s) come on over.

Mac-90 w/30round banana clip next to bed, Ruger.22lr autoloading handgun in end table, .22mag revolver under bed. mossberg 500 12ga in the livingroom. Wife and older children trained in firearm usage.

Not paranoid, just prepared.