48 hours......

/They really need to overfly Saudi airspace.

Hooray for the peanuts!

NATO leaders are urging Turkey to open its airspace for an Attack on Iran

I smell fish.

Hmmm...there's still Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

#4 flipflop

Israel doesn't need Jordan; they can fly over Eliat, and over the Red Sea, but they do need Saudi. That's why this smells very fishy.

#3 Earth2moonbat

I smell fish.

Sorry about that.

Actually, I would think the gulf states have no choice in the matter. politically speaking of course.

PR move: say that the pilots are ex-ACLU pedarists and the MSM will ignore the attack.

OT,

Ace spills secret plan of unnamed fairly big blogger to create Digg competitor.

Hey, they can fly over my backyard if it sets the Iran program back to year one. Problem in Iran still dates back to Jhimmi Carter. Mad mullahs and government are a bad mix.

Anyone look at a map? Israel would fly a route that is thousands of miles longer just to get to Iran by supposedly securing those overflights.

It is quite curious, however, to see that the Arab countries will turn to Israel to solve their problems when necessary - Iran is the far bigger threat to their survival than Israel ever was. Israel is just the bogeyman that all turn to in order to avoid dealing with the harsh realities of their own failed regimes.

It's not civil war it's just a "feud." Nothing surprises me when it comes to the MSM covering for these bloodthirsty murderers any more.

5 Palestinians Die in Gaza Feud

Five Palestinians were killed and more than 40 wounded in fighting between clans on Friday and early Saturday in Khan Yunis

John Murtha Grandpa Simpson objects, predicts quagmire.

Not to re route a thread or anything. But, could any one tell me how this whole digg thing works. With votes, buries, spydigg etc?...Im ahhh...Trying to explain to my ten year, and hes not understanding.. Ya thats it!

Cheers..

ok...let's git her done.

Syrian-born historian worries that Iran would annihilate Sunnis
[Link: memri.org...]

Those nations agreeing to it are not fools.

Spiritualized,

It's a family feud, Pali style.

#11
lawhawk
And if Israel does solve the Iranian problem, they will be roundly condemned in public by these and other schmucks, who privately will be collapsing in relief. It's the old win-win situation for these Arab-Muslim countries that are too craven to face up to the bully

If only the MSM could be right this once.

Go IAF!

#11 lawhawk

It is quite curious, however, to see that the Arab countries will turn to Israel to solve their problems when necessary

And to America, the other of the twin satans.

I'm glad overflights can't be hidden from the public eye. I'm sick of all the double-facedness these Arab regimes demand when they participate with us. A show of anti-Americanism for the home crowd while they secretly reap the benefit of an American alliance. I wish we'd start making our support contingent on transparency.

Jules Crittenden has Kharnival of the Iranities.

#9 Dar ul Harb
That's an interesting idea.

It is quite curious, however, to see that the world Arab countries will turn to Israel to solve their problems when necessary -

Haha, Owned.
Qatar, Oman, And UAE - Rock on!

Could this be a flying pig moment?

/All puns intended.

Let the saber-rattling commence

It's a start.

Jammie:

Yeah, let's play the feud! /richard dawson.

Funny, but isn't it curious how the two groups of the clan were divided between Fatah and Hamas. They were simply discussing dining arrangements and Mahmoud didn't want to sit next to Abdul and Mahmoud took the seating way too seriously. Yeah, that's the ticket.

It just means that the Gulf States regard nuts with nukes as bad for business. Very interesting, though, that this is getting picked up this fast.

dinner jacket to soil his PJ's

stay tuned

resurrecting my tee-shirt from 1979....

"Nuke Iran!"

wow, this tee-shirt sure did shrink. never stick cotten in the drier!

Cheney Arrives in Persian Gulf for Talks

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Maybe something is brewing....

It just shows how terrified the Arabs are of Persian hegemony that they would support the JOOOOOOS.

Fascinating, really.

Since all 3 of these countries supported the US in the ongoing Iraq situation, I don't find this startling news.

OT,

Digg counterattack seems to be working, at least against "truthers."

9 Dar ul Harb 2/25/2007 09:54AM PST

OT,

Ace spills secret plan of unnamed fairly big blogger to create Digg competitor.

Competition is a wonderful thing hehe /big grin.

re #16

February 16, 2007

London-Based Syrian-Born Historian Mahmoud Al-Sayyed Al-Dugheim on Al-Jazeera: Iran Established Global Shiite Government, Operating in Accordance with the Protocols of the Mullahs of Qom, to Annihilate the Sunnis

The following are excerpts from an interview with Syrian-born historian Mahmoud Al-Sayyed Al-Dugheim, which aired on Al-Jazeera TV on January 30, 2007.

Mahmoud Al-Sayyed Al-Dugheim: "We consider the Zionist plan to be dangerous to the Arab nation, but even more dangerous is the Safavid Sassanian Iranian plan to restore the Empire of Cyrus, which would range from Greece to Egypt, and the Arabian Peninsula, in addition to other regions. The Zionist plan was unable to penetrate the ranks of Islamic unity, the way the Safavid Iranian plan did. The collaborators with the Zionists throughout the Arab and Islamic world are too ashamed to reveal themselves, while the collaborators with the Sassanian Safavid plan boast about it in public. Wasn't it one of their leaders who said yesterday: 'We are a Lebanon in Iran, and an Iran in Lebanon?'"

[...]

"While the Zionist plan targets Jerusalem, which is holy to us, the Safavid plan targets Mecca and Al-Madina. If you go back to their books - which they do not mention in the media, yet these books exist and are accepted by them - they claim that their Hidden Imam will come to Mecca and Al-Madina, destroy the Al-Haram Mosque and the Mosque of the Prophet, and dig in the graves of Abu Bakr and Omar and burn them both, and then he will command the wind to blow them away. He will also dig in the grave of Aisha, the Mother of the Believers, and will execute her. All this is part of their plan."

[...]

"The Shah was most definitely one of the sworn enemies of the Arabs, but he did not legislate a law to persecute the Sunni Muslims, who constitute one-third of the Iranian population. The new Iranian constitution persecutes Sunni Muslims in Iran, while it gives constitutional rights to the Zoroastrians, the Jews, and the Christians. This constitution denies the Sunnis these rights. There is no Sunni mosque in Tehran, even though there are over two million Sunni Muslims there."

I think that the problem with Iran as a nuclear power has two worries for the Arab Sunni world: Iran is Persian-ruled, not Arab; and Iran is Shiite-ruled, not Sunni.
Also, Ahmadinejad has an ayatollah mentor that is close to the Hojatieh school. Reportedly the Hojatiehs are Shiite supremacists according to some reporting on the Web. This may worry some Sunnis.

I'm not sure there isn't some hope for Qatar, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates. We have a big customer in Dubai, and so far my dealings with people there have been surprisingly warm and without any hint of latent of jihadism.

To tell you the truth, I'm far more afraid of the Muslims in Liverpool, Detroit or Mississauga, Ontario than I am of the Muslims in Dubai. The UAE has always been fairly chilled out, relative others in the region that is.

#31 shug

dinner jacket gets his chaos. The question is, will it be enough to satisfy/awake the Mahdi-in-a-Well.

39 Pro-Bush Canuck

I'm not sure there isn't some hope for Qatar, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.

Don't get too excited. They all [including Qatar, home of CENTCOM]still print anti-Semitic/anti-Israel cartoon propaganda in their govt.-owned press and buy off their terrorists.
Strange bedfellows indeed.

#41 NoSubmission

Yeah, I know. That's why I specifically said "some hope". "Faint hope" may have been better.

It is nonetheless true that they (the people) are far less aggressive overall than than say, Pakistanis or Egyptians.

As it turns out Jimmi Carter was the first female president. No offense to (right-wing) women intended. I'm just sayin’ that if a person has no balls...

In November of 1979 Jimmi caved like a cheap tent and thereby emboldened the Iranians and other muslim lunatics and got them all started on the path they currently tread.

Jimmi Carter’s legacy, much to his chagrin, is the gift that keeps on give in.

And when tiny Israel ultimately flies through the air space of their temporary “marriage of convenience” mussie buddies to clean up another of Jimmi’s geopolitical messes, Jimmi will fly off the small remaining handle upon which he perches like the shriveled old self-promoting vulture that he has become.

If Jimmi had a mussie name it would be watan azol.

OT,

From the comments to that entry, a useful tool that gives you the "most buried" stories. If you set it up to show only "Politics" "World News" "Business And Finance", you'll see these LGF stories on its "anti-front" page:

ACLU: US Can't Bar Terrorism Supporters
ACLU Chapter President Arrested for Child Porn
Iranian Fauxtography Update: Winchester Replies
The Worst AP Article Yet
Muslim Council of Britain's Shari'a Plan
Islamic Grievance Theater Update (Video)
Help Prevent Shari'a at Twin Cities Airport
Video: Taliban Recruits Hundreds of Suicide Bombers to Attack NATO

8 of 15 are from LGF. Feel the love.

Let's hope and have the fingers crossed that Israel's not going to its second fiasco after its shameful defeat to the Mullahs in Libanon last Summer

42 Pro-Bush Canuck

It is nonetheless true that they (the people) are far less aggressive overall than than say, Pakistanis or Egyptians.

Anything to give Dinnerjacket something to seethe about is fine by me!
:)

#14 slaphappy

Not to re route a thread or anything. But, could any one tell me how this whole digg thing works. With votes, buries, spydigg etc?...Im ahhh...Trying to explain to my ten year, and hes not understanding..

I hereby request a thread on the subject. I can find my way around, and I understand the issues, but there are some details that aren't clear to me. A tutorial from the Grand Lizard would be most welcome (including such things as knowing when a thread is buried, tor example).

The Osirak raid was conducted without so many public announcements, so far in advance. Do you lizardoids suppose that this is only saber-rattling, or is Israel so confident in its ability to dodge the Russian SAMs that it feels free to announce its intentions?

Third possibility: could this be a move to flush sensitive equipment out where it can be seen, to make it easier to pick targets for a more stealthy strike later?

#45 bob tail

Let's hope and have the fingers crossed that Israel's not going to its second fiasco after its shameful defeat to the Mullahs in Libanon last Summer

Um, just how do you figure that Israel was defeated?

/last time I checked, Hezbollah got it's ass kicked and most of the infrastructure in the parts of Lebanon they control still lies in ruin

#35 Mike C.

Since all 3 of these countries supported the US in the ongoing Iraq situation, I don't find this startling news.

Dealing above the table with the Great Satan is one thing, dealing above the table with the Little Satan is another thing. Much more politically risky.

When it comes right down to it, say what you will about the Saudis, but while they were terrorist supporting antisemites forever, they were staunch US allies all throughout the cold war. They were never ashamed to be seen in public with the US. Not so with Israel.

#38 EE

I think that the problem with Iran as a nuclear power has two worries for the Arab Sunni world: Iran is Persian-ruled, not Arab; and Iran is Shiite-ruled, not Sunni.

EE, the difference is much more than ideological or cultural by now; it's a deep, visceral hatred. Talk to an Iranian person sometime -- preferably a Zoroastrian. The Iranians have an historical hatred for the Arabs that's similar to what the Chinese feel for Japan (sweeping generalizations, I know). There's a prevailing notion among Iranians that the stupid barbarian pig Arabs destroyed the great Persian civilization hundreds of years ago when they swept in and did their forcible conversions. It's an eternal affront and an unbridgeable difference between nations and individuals on both sides.

OT

14 slaphappy 2/25/2007 09:56AM PST

But, could any one tell me how this whole digg thing works. With votes, buries, spydigg etc?

Their FAQ is sorta lame.
[Link: www.digg.com...]

*have to make an account

*if an online story has a digg button, you press it. If not, you can go to digg and submit it.

*then make sure you press the digg button that is to the left of the story headline. If you think the story is inaccurate, etc..you can *bury* it. We think it takes 1 bury per 10 digs to bury it from the viewable articles. I think Charles or someone said that if someone burys it with a causation (you have several reasons to choose from) of inaccurate, it can never come back up. Digg doesn't disclose their algorithms.

*You can also mark it as your my#1 if it's important to you. Someone mentioned that it helps it become harder to bury.

*you can go into the comments section and digg or bury comments you agree/disagree with..and make comments yourself.

*You can add friends to watch what they are digging/burying. You can add friends by clicking on their profile (their little picture by their name where they are posting at) and right under their picture it says ADD Friend.

The rest you will have to play with or keep your eyes tuned here as people talk..that is all I know after a day's worth of messing around.

I had a hay day yesterday..it was like playing slots at a casino :P .

#48 amphibian

Third possibility: could this be a move to flush sensitive equipment out where it can be seen, to make it easier to pick targets for a more stealthy strike later?

Fourth possibility: A move to get the Iranians to replace their insane regime asap?

#47 Earth2moonbat

(including such things as knowing when a thread is buried, tor example)

I think he's using Spydigg (linked on one of yesterday's threads) to see when the posts get buried.

/not sure whether or not that shows who is burying them

Fascinating and detailed article on this proposed attack, including possible routes and the hardware required:

Osirak Redux? Assessing Israeli Capabilities to Destroy Iranian Nuclear Facilities”

The foregoing assessment is far from definitive in its evaluation of Israeli military potential. However it does seem to indicate that the IAF, after years of modernization, now possesses the capability to destroy even well-hardened targets in Iran with some degree of confidence. The operation appears to be no more risky than the earlier attack on Osirak and provides at least as much benefit in terms of delaying Iranian development of nuclear weapons. This benefit might not be worth the operational risk and political cost. Nonetheless, this analysis demonstrates that Israeli leaders have access to the technical capability to carry out the attack. The question then becomes one of will and individual calculation. Other priorities, such as the election of Hamas to the leadership of the Palestinian Authority, the turmoil surrounding the Israeli leadership, and the Iranian leader’s recent statements about Israeli existence, may take precedence.

#54 Killian Bundy

I suspect that, too, but you have to have a quick eye, and not ever have to pee. I was wondering if there was some other tool so you don't have to burst your bladder.

#51 squarepeg

Which btw, is why Zoroastrianism is making a comback. I may be a little optimistic, but if any country in the islamic world has a chance of deislamifying, ironically, it's Iran.

#56 Earth2moonbat

I was wondering if there was some other tool so you don't have to burst your bladder.

Well, there's always a catheter.

/I'm beginning to sense that some people are starting to succumb to Digg addiction/obsession

Iran Appears Poised To Try Satellite Launch

Iran has just completed conversion of a powerful ballistic missile into a satellite launch vehicle. But the 25-30-ton rocket could be a wolf in sheep's clothing to test longer-range Iranian missile technologies

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Iran rocket claim raises tension

It quoted the head of Iran's aerospace research centre, Mohsen Bahrami, as saying that "the rocket was carrying material intended for research created by the ministries of science and defence".

However, Ali Akbar Golrou, executive director of the same facility, was later quoted by Fars news agency as saying the craft launched by was a sub-orbital rocket for scientific research.

Iran issues 'ultimatum' to Israel's allies

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Friday threatened any country that supports Israel, and said the United States and its allies had “imposed a group of terrorists” on the region with their support of Israel.
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“We have advised the Europeans that the Americans are far away, but you are the neighbors of the nations in this region. We inform you that the nations are like an ocean that is welling up, and if a storm begins, the dimensions will not stay limited to Palestine, and you may get hurt,” he said.

I hope Israel is also working on civil defense measures to go along with plans for a preemtive strike. If this happens, it's not going to be quick, effective, or limited to a couple nations. Unless Iran decides to shake off the ayatollahs and return to its Persian roots, "jahiliyyah" be damned, those in charge of Iran will continue to base their raison d'etre (pardon my accent-less French) around the destruction of Israel.

Islam's eschatology is now a serious geopolitical problem. Dore Gold's book came out right on schedule. Everyone should read it.

I think it's the Great Abrahamic MCF. If all three faiths want to go to the mat with their end times theories at once, there's going to be some 'splainin to do after the bombs fall.

"Well, uh, peanut butter smudges on the book made us think that was going to happen..."

The the bombing begin ASAP.

#49 Killian Bundy

Let's hope and have the fingers crossed that Israel's not going to its second fiasco after its shameful defeat to the Mullahs in Libanon last Summer

Um, just how do you figure that Israel was defeated?

/last time I checked, Hezbollah got it's ass kicked and most of the infrastructure in the parts of Lebanon they control still lies in ruin

Well, I'm afraid you're hardly informed: Hizbollah hs now even more missiles than it has had before the war, it sits again on the border, the Israeli chief of staff had to step doen because of the fiasco, the relationship between th US and Israel has deterirated, because the American have expected that Israel would eredicate the Hizbollah and the Syrian garisson operating also against the American in Iraq

It looks you're new here, aren't you?

Well, I just can't resist this OT, and then I won't say another word about it.

Hillary's blog finally posted its first entry! None of my submissions made it. Waah.

There's this bumper sticker, "Run Hillary Run." Democrats are putting it on their back bumper, Republicans are putting it on their front bumper.

Senator, if you knew then what you know now, would you still have married Bill Clinton? Were you misled into your decision to go to the altar?

#54 Killian Bundy

/not sure whether or not that shows who is burying them

It does, but you have to have a quick eye. I don't know if a clever script can capture those things, or not. I'm sure that if you had all the time in the world, you could modify the javascript that drives the spy thingy.......

#57 Earth2moonbat

I may be a little optimistic, but if any country in the islamic world has a chance of deislamifying, ironically, it's Iran.

And here's another factor, however small, that may aid in that process:

Iran vows crackdown on 'inappropriately' dressed women

Bob Tail Registered lizardoid since: 10/29/06 05:14:53 PM

No. of comments posted: 75

Says: It looks you're new here, aren't you?

To: Killian Bundy Registered lizardoid since: 10/06/04 06:31:39 PM

No. of comments posted: 9,669

Chutzpah, or stupidity? You decide......

Just remember Ezekiel chapter 38. The Arab Muslims never attack Israel. It is the non-Arab muslim countries + Russia.

The chapter even gives the actual countries. Libya, Sudan, Iran, etc., etc. About Russia, it quotes God as saying, "I will no longer be known as 'The God Who Brought You Out of Egypt', I will be known as 'The God Who Destroyed Russia'". Yes, it appears God has a special place in Hell for Russia due to its anti-semitism. My favorite part of the prophesy is where scripture says, "I will turn Russia around from pointing its military north to the south." Hmmmm...weren't their missiles pointed over the north pole at US?!?!?!

#57 Earth2moonbat

Which btw, is why Zoroastrianism is making a comback. I may be a little optimistic, but if any country in the islamic world has a chance of deislamifying, ironically, it's Iran.

The scripture actually says that Iran and Egypt become Christian nations after everything is said and done!

#48

(See my post #27)

The stories might be true, they might not. But the fact that they are being leaked into the lay press to me strongly suggests that they are plants.

The idea, of course, being to increase pressure on the Iranian regime.

#67 Bobbo

I'm reminded of Dire Straits: "...two men saying they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong..."

#62 bob tail

Well, I'm afraid you're hardly informed: Hizbollah hs now even more missiles than it has had before the war

Got a linky for that?

the Israeli chief of staff had to step doen because of the fiasco

Again, how was Israel defeated, because they didn't level Beirut and kill everyone? By every metric of warfare, Hezbollah got it's ass kicked.

the relationship between th US and Israel has deterirated, because the American have expected that Israel would eredicate the Hizbollah and the Syrian garisson operating also against the American in Iraq

The U.S. expected Israel to go to war with Syria, really? Of course, you have a linky for that too, right?

It looks you're new here, aren't you?

Yeah, I'm new here, that's pretty funny, how could you tell, did you click my football or something?

/you probably think we're losing in Iraq too

#66 Earth2moonbat

Chutzpah, or stupidity? You decide......

Door number two, Monty.

I wonder why a country , say the US, does'nt flood Iran with counterfeit Iranian money? I bet it would'nt take 6 months to throw their economy into a worse mess than it already is. The russians are complaining about not getting paid by them now. We could pay for oil with " funny " money. Woo Hoo

#25 evil zionist

Qatar, Oman, And UAE - Rock on!

The UAE, though outwardly friendly to western interests, is rife with deep-pocketed sponsors of terrorism (the ones you will never hear about). If the UAE is willing to allow overflights, it is because they are salivating in anticipation of the aftermath. The complicity of the UAE should be viewed as a red-flag.

From Blanton's And Ashton's:

* Two of the 9/11 hijackers were from the UAE.
* The UAE does not recognize Israel.
* The UAE hosts the Zayed International Center for Coordination and Follow-Up. The executive director of the Zayed International Center for Coordination and Follow-Up has called Jews "the enemies of all nations." The center has sponsored lectures and publications that claim "Zionists" were responsible for the Holocaust. The Zayed Center is named for Sheikh Zayed Al Nahyan, the leader of the United Arab Emirates (UAE) since 1971.
* The UAE was one of only three countries that recognized the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.
* The UAE has been a major transfer point for shipments of nuclear components to Iran, North Korea and Lybia.
* After 9/11, the Treasury Department reported that the UAE was not cooperating in efforts to track down Osama bin Laden's bank accounts.

#62 bob tail

Oh yeah, here's some software you might find useful:

ieSpell

/'cause spelling doesn't seem to be your forte

#75

Hey Killian Bundy leave bob tail alone he took ESl
(English as a Satanic Language) and was at the top of his clash!

#70 Beagle

I'm reminded of Dire Straits: "...two men saying they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong..."

Wow! I am terrible when it comes to music and lyrics. Thanks, I like that quote. And their music.

What I find fastenating about that chapter (Ez 38) is how many folks don't know it and don't want to know it. Covenent theologians, with their view, want to say that God is not really going to do what he says, yet, they say they believe in him. This is the same God (and from the same Old Testament) that brought the Jews out of Eygpt like He said and brought Jesus (just like He said), brought back the state of Israel (just like He said) and they don't believe He is actually going to do what He said in that chapter. And God references that what is coming is actually a bigger event than bringing the Jews out of Egypt (by saying He will be known as a new name). I just don't get the human mind.

hey #57 earth2moonbat. i also agree the persians could come out of the stone age if they could get rid of their barbarian rulers. i would hate to see them become collateral damage if we have to nuke the place. I GUESS THINGS ARE GOING TO GET UGLY NO MATTER WHAT. even if israel neutralizes iran the cauldron will continue to boil toward the inevitable big show down.

Iran issues 'ultimatum' to Israel's allies

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Friday threatened any country that supports Israel, and said the United States and its allies had “imposed a group of terrorists” on the region with their support of Israel.
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“We have advised the Europeans that the Americans are far away, but you are the neighbors of the nations in this region. We inform you that the nations are like an ocean that is welling up, and if a storm begins, the dimensions will not stay limited to Palestine, and you may get hurt,” he said.

Seems to me that "I'm-a-Dinner-Jacket & Co." is now playing to the role of "Virgil 'The Turk' Sollozzo vis a vis the "Five Families" of the Middle East. The Iranians once had their uses to the Saudis, the Hashemites, et. al., but now they're loose cannons and threatening to totally upset the cannolli cart.

This is very bad for business. Therefore, I suspect the Five Families have already had a "sit-down" and decided to whack "I'm-a-Dinner-Jacket" or, at the very least, cut him down to manageable size. And they'll conveniently ignore the details as to how the hit is carried out.

The Five Families may still dislike Israel, but they understand, more than ever, that the Israelis are level-headed and are willing to negotiate.

#75 Killian Bundy

Hey, KB, don't be too hard on the kid. He's just into Phase 2. Been here long enough to have opinions, but not long enough to realize they're not necessarily Gospel.

8^)

#43 royal canadian, jimmy carter is a mean old spiteful jealous hag...look how he enjoys going all medea on his own country.

#81 nyc redneck

look how he enjoys going all medea on his own country.

LOL! I was scratching my head about the spelling until I remembered the play. Don't do that to an old man.

I see everyone was quick to notice the map says Saudi Arabia would have to cooperate to make the gulf states interesting, but there was a burble in the news a few weeks ago that just maybe, the Sunni Arabs would give some cooperation to Israel in order to let them attack the Shiite Persians.

But I'll add another thing, also already mentioned, "overflight" won't do it, either. Even for exit routing, it has to involve landing and fuel, restroom and meals, if not full base-building. Can't see any Muslim and/or Arab state agreeing to that, or if they did, I hope (and expect) the Israelis to be on the lookout for treachery of all sorts.

But frankly, I don't think that Israel has the payload capacity to make this work. Only the US, with B-1, B-2 and B-52, full stealth and suppression support, AWACs and all, has the power and payload.

Well, even a fully debunked story like this probably puts a few turbans in a twist, so what the heck.

#53 squarepeg:

Fourth possibility: A move to get the Iranians to replace their insane regime asap?

I'm not sure that's in their (or our) best interest, unless it is as radical a regime change as the one that put the mullocracy in power in the first place. Changing one set of Khomeni-worshipping nut jobs for another, more "moderate" one, will not change the Islamic Republic's core policies, though it might slow down their nuclear weapons program.

#82 Silhus:

LOL! I was scratching my head about the spelling until I remembered the play. Don't do that to an old man.

Heh. Now that you mention it.

Will there be fiery dragons involved at some point, or is Jhimmy just going to get a one-way trip on an Iranian space rocket?

The source article seems to be Israel, right?
I am waiting for al Jazeera to pass sentence on this "abomination" declared by Qatar, Oman, And UAE . Then again, this could be a volley shot across the mullahs bow. The Middle East Cold War has the Sunni rank and file falling in against the Shia Persians.
dunno, saber rattlers are moving the pawns in this game

#83 itellu3times
I got my own theories about overflights ect.
What if the Israeli owned jets are painted up in the colors of "Yankee Doodle Dandy" US Air force types and are already sitting in the hangars of those countries?
what if the ground crew breaks out the spray paint at dusk,
launches the jet machines in the cover of darkness, and after their mission over Iranian targets,
they bingo somewhere over the gulf to gas up and fly home around the Saudi peninsula?

maybe not but it cuts the cost of a round trip down considerably.

Maybe the whole thing is to get the mullahs thinking along just those lines of planning,
get them to launch an unprovoked attack on Qatar, Oman, And UAE ?

But just the same, an article like this could get those little kingdoms by the sea feeling like they are in hot sea water with those fellows just over the seaward horizon.

brinksmanship

By 2004 Israel had a total of 25 F-15l's which are equivalent to the U.S F-15E Strike Eagle. This aircraft has a combat radius of about 2300 km's which puts most of Irans nuke sites well within range. With some U.S.air to air refueling and maybe some Saudi AWAC's help the mission is doable.

I found this article quite interesting.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

This keeps getting better and better...tick tock goes the clock. [Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Sh-h-h-h-h don't tell everyone. Some of this stuff shold be a secret,no?

#89 WarCriminal
From your link:

In a speech in Tehran, he likened his country's nuclear programme to a train with no brakes and no reverse gear.

One of his deputy foreign ministers, Manouchehr Mohammadi, said they had prepared themselves for any situation arising from the issue, even for war.

Iran may be a train with no brakes, as Ahmadinejad proudly boasts, but it is hurtling over a cliff. And it is going to take much of the world with it, because they are intent on pursuing nuclear jihad to bring about the coming of the Mahdi, the 12th imam, they believe.

The world needs to understand that the Persian Mahdaviat nuclear train is not something that can be stopped by carrots or sticks, or by diplomacy. Because the Armageddon of nuclear jihad is too strongly entrenched in the Hojatieh dogma to be uprooted by such shallow things as the shedding of blood or the offering of economic incentives, or any other stick or carrot.

There is bound to be some point at which the US says "no" to the threats coming from a nuclear armed Persia. And at that point there will be no alternative but to face the prospect of war. But if there is to be war, then isn't it better that it be pursued before Iran is a nuclear power?

Of course they have no objection to our flyovers! They are only too willing to let the US fight their battles for them. They fear Iran as much as we do -- their monarchies would be replaced (as in, their heads on a pike) with Islamic mullahs tuit suite if the Iranians are left unchecked.

maybe if some of the arab countries (that are supposedly willing to let the IAF use their airspace) would stand up for what is decnt and right, the IAF wouldn't NEED to use their airspace

/polyanna mode off

Sunnis dont like Shia....and Turkey, Qatar, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates are all what majority?

They just want somebody to do their dirty work for them. The turth is the sunni have much to fear from a nuclear Iran. Hell Iran might try to take Mecca from the Sunnis..

Everyday I pray for a Islamic civil war. The only victory that Iraq can bring is this. If this happens (even if Bush did not want it) it will have all been worth it. Nothing like crazed muslims wacking other crazed muslims to make this non-muslim happy.

Divide and Conquer!

The shortest route from Israel to Iran is over Iraq; a flight of a minimum of about a 1000 miles, probably more like 1200 depending on the destination. To go around Iraq would add another 800 miles. I would think this would be an unacceptable risk assuming that the IAF planes would have to refueled inflight.

Israel should tell the United States that it will overfly Iraq and not bother asking for permission. After all what could the U.S. do? Shoot down the Israeli planes? This would have George Bush betraying our most loyal ally for the sake of protecting the mullah's nukes. The resulting firestorm would drive Bush from office in total disgrace.

The Israelis have George Bush over a barrel and they should take full advantage of it. After all Bush hasn't done diddly squat about the Iranians so far and Israel can't afford to wait forever.

Israeli did the world a great favor when they bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak in 1981 but instead of thanks they were condemned by the whole world including the United States. Not one country to this day has expressed their gratitude for this daring act including the United States. In this regard Israel owes nothing to the U.S. Israel is acting in it's own self defense and must be allowed to overfly Iraq.