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The Great Global Warming Swindle

Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 7:28:47 pm PST

Here’s UK Channel 4’s decidedly non-PC documentary, The Great Global Warming Swindle.

UPDATE at 12/25/08 12:02:58 pm:

Since this show was aired, serious questions have been raised about many of its assertions. For more, see: The Great Global Warming Swindle Debate.

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1 Mr. Neutron  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:31:24pm

Awesome. I hope this gets around as widely as possible.

2 christheprofessor  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:31:32pm

Looking forward to viewing it... Thanks, Charles, and thanks for the excellent upgrades (and all the new lizards!)...

3 Stuck in california  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:32:53pm

IE7 still will not Flash player load. POS.

4 shug  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:33:54pm

Great video. Can't wait to watch it on NBC or CBS
/

PS

I saw this moonbat from PETA on glenn Beck earlier saying that all us meat eaters are causing global warming...
Just become a vegan, and save the earth!

These fools focus on cow farts, and ignore the jihadi with the nuke in his van, who wants to cause 100000 degree global warming in Chicago.

5 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:34:09pm

It took me a couple sittings to make it all the way through but it's worth it. It's a real eye opener, the last ten minutes are vital. Mandatory viewing.

6 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:34:52pm

#3 Stuck in california

Works hunky-dory with firefox under linux.

7 Dr. Manhattan  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:34:56pm

blew my mind every 10 minutes

8 Pierre_Legrand[deleted]  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:35:26pm
9 jrdroll  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:35:39pm

#4

Just become a vegan, and save the earth!

These fools focus on cow human farts.


Eat lots of beans.

10 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:37:06pm

LOL! It is all my fault!

/back in an hour

11 blackpajamas  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:37:16pm

Hillary Clinton dives head first into the global warming circus ring:

"America's middle class, and working families, have become the invisible Americans... And if you're a career government scientist raising the global warming alarm; a conservationist trying to protect the environment... they've tried to make you invisible to the rest of us."

[Link: www.hillaryclinton.com...]

12 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:37:42pm

#5 Killgore Trout

I sat through the whole thing. It's an hour and 15 minutes, so have several cold ones. It's without a doubt the best piece of skeptical work to date. They not only interviewed a lot of the skeptical heavy hitters, but managed to put it together in a reasonable coherent fashion.

I highly recommend this to skeptics, and even more to true believers.

13 FQ Kafir  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:37:50pm

# 3 Stuck in CA

Time to make that move to mozilla. I've never looked back. IE is lame.

14 jrdroll  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:37:58pm

Stop Global Warming - Empty The Oceans NOW

15 tankdemon  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:38:29pm

#4 Shug-
Did that PETA guy even realize that he was calling for the extinction of domesticated livestock? (Or what else would he expect if everybody went vegan?)

When so many are warning about Global Warming, I get to thinking it's time to buy a warmer jacket.

16 loflyer  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:38:51pm

I viewed the video this morning, and it made a hell of a lot more sense than the garbage broadcast by the MSM and the enviro-activists. It will be interesting to note how the e-activists and the MSM rebuts this documentary. My guess is they will ignore it, using the infamous tactic of suppression of news or factual evidence that the MSM has become noted for.

17 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:39:04pm

#10 Sharmuta

LOL! It is all my fault!

Sharmutas cause males to produce excess CO2.

18 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:40:07pm

So, are the leftist nuts allowing us to fart or do we have to pay for carbon credits for that too?

19 swamprat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:40:15pm

listening to it in a seperate window. Sounds good!

20 FQ Kafir  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:41:15pm

An Inconvenient Skeptic
[Link: aninconvenientskeptic.wordpress.com...]
A new blog of mine...what do you think, lizards?

21 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:41:31pm

Once you've viewed the video read this from Drudge and have a good laugh...

Warming Report to Warn of Coming Drought

At the same time, tens of millions of others will be flooded out of their homes each year as the Earth reels from rising temperatures and sea levels...

Tropical diseases like malaria will spread. By 2050, polar bears will mostly be found in zoos, their habitats gone. Pests like fire ants will thrive.

For a time, food will be plentiful because of the longer growing season in northern regions. But by 2080, hundreds of millions of people could face starvation, according to the report, which is still being revised.

The draft document by the authoritative Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change focuses on global warming's effects and is the second in a series of four being issued this year. Written and reviewed by more than 1,000 scientists from dozens of countries, it still must be edited by government officials.


All the puzzle peices fall into place.

22 shug  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:41:59pm

I for one am thankfulfor global warming that is hitting Detroit just in time for the St Patricks day parade , tomorrow 2 PM corktown! ( mid 50's! )

thank you cow farts
thank you hummer drivers
thank you laurie david for your Gulfstream V
thank you China for being exempt from Kyoto and for filling the atmosphere with pollution

oh wait, none of that matters.

guess it's all down to St Patrick. Cheers mate!

23 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:42:06pm

And, USA got snipped for this?

24 jrdroll  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:42:16pm
So, are the leftist nuts allowing us to fart or do we have to pay for carbon credits for that too?

Die Humans Die.*

*Except those of the Marxist or Islamist faith.

25 jroberson  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:42:18pm

Thanks Charles, seems like a great video.

26 Dianna  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:42:21pm

This is going to be a very quiet thread, if everybody watches the video.

27 Beagle  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:42:45pm

It's the Piltdown Man of the 21st Century, but with much more dire consequences and devious ulterior motives. Shocker: the sun is the ultimate determiner of global warming, science can't model clouds (the most important factor), and leftist revolutionaries bailed into "climate change" after the Berlin Wall came down. Which is news to nobody at LGF, but finally someone is reporting it on television.

I hope this gets around before the Left's greenies get their genocidal Luddite schwerve on.

It's amazing how low CO2 levels are compared to historical highs. Yeah, you'd never know that. Not to mention the inverse relationship which exists between CO2 and higher temps, in opposition to everything Saint Al of Gore preaches.

Starting 60 million years before present (BP), the authors have the atmosphere's CO2 concentration at approximately 3600 ppm (10x present CO2) and the oxygen isotope ratio at about 0.3 per mil. Thirteen million years later, however, the air's CO2 concentration has dropped all the way down to 500 ppm; but the oxygen isotope ratio has dropped (implying a rise in temperature) to zero, which is, of course, just the opposite of what one would expect from the "large and predictable effect" of CO2 on temperature that is commonly assumed.
28 swamprat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:43:13pm

PIACSTM_.........../preview-is-a-complete-stranger -to-me

29 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:43:22pm

Don't plants live off CO2? And wouldn't an abundance of CO2 create an abundance of plants?

Wow. That was my very first attempt at HTML code.

Is that what I was doing - HTML code?

30 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:43:37pm

Anyway, if nothing else, this utterly trashes the claim that there's a consensus that warming is anthropogenic.

Any idiot can look at those two graphs showing temperature vs sunspot activity and temperature v.s. CO2, and see that the CO2 hypothesis is a con.

31 loflyer  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:44:15pm

Does anyone know anything about a download program called Utorrent. I had to use this app to download the video, nearly 700 meg. It had a lot of suspicious up link traffic that is unexplainable for normal network acknowledgments of data received.

32 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:44:40pm

#12 Earth2moonbat
I'm such a skeptic that I'm skepticle of the skeptics. I'm going to have to do some more research (which will probably involves watching AlGore's film) but they make a very strong case.

33 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:45:14pm

I wonder if Thatcher ever thinks about the monster that she helped to turn loose?

34 fluffy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:46:59pm

I just finished watching. Highly recommended viewing

35 jrdroll  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:47:38pm

#33

I wonder if Thatcher ever thinks about the monster that she helped to turn loose?

She squashed a union monster that was real.

36 NamDoc67  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:48:05pm

The real moral and political crisis of the age is to be found in the plague of propaganda. Major "news" outlets have long since abandoned any pretense of providing objective information to the masses. The molding of public opinion is the sole actual purpsoe of media: news, entertainment, and intellectual; and most of it is dedicated to undermining the legitimacy of western civilization, capitalism and free market and representative institutions. The internet has arrived just in time to deliver the wake up call. Hopefully it is not too late, because the thought police are everywhere silencing the voices of reality.

37 Flying Dutchman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:48:10pm

Watched / saved it a little earlier and the only I can say is :

AWSOME !

Once again, lefties / green show their intolerance, stupidity and willingness to bias anything not on their political agenda.

38 segfault  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:48:11pm

Let's see what Al Gore has to say about this.

39 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:48:13pm

30 Earth2moonbat

I think the main reason why I never bought into the global warming hype and haven't really tried to delve into it much is because the same moonbats that are wrong on everything and hellbent on our destruction who also wish to quash free speech on this subject among others.....they support it.

When I've done extensive work on their positions before on other things they embrace so lovingly, they've been very wrong....so just based on that, I just don't trust them.

I'm glad others have the time to put into seeing the bunk and keeping the freedom of speech path going on this subject.

40 swamprat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:48:52pm

I am paying a man in Bopal, India $3 a year, to not purchase and use a 3+1/2hp Briggs & Stratton lawnmower. I am completely covered. For $2 more, he will hold his breath once a month. Such a deal.

41 de La Valette  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:49:26pm

If the polar bears are losing their habitat anyways, can we drill ANWAR?

Does thate report predict droughts and starvation in the USA or China? If not, I suggest they go back and edit it some more.

42 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:49:34pm

I just saw the real cause of global warming given on jihadwatch

Australian Muslim leader: Lack of faith in Islam causes drought, climate change and pollution

Right now, it is the top story, but later on, you'll have to scroll down or look in the jihadwatch archives.

43 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:50:28pm

how long till diggbats bury...any guesses? hehe

44 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:53:42pm

#39 Highrise

I'm glad others have the time to put into seeing the bunk and keeping the freedom of speech path going on this subject.

I'm glad we have a few scientists with the integrity to buck the herd instinct. Some of these people have had death threats. I'm sure grants haven't been easy to come by. I'm sure they're never invited to the kinds of functions that the conformists are. I don't think it ever was easy to go against the orthodoxy. Ask Galileo.

45 republic  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:55:57pm

Global Warming is nothing more than a power and money grab!

That is a proven fact.

The U.N. as well as other lunatic global warming alarmists, want to impose a "global tax" to help "fix" global warming.

Hey, I'm all for as clean of an enviornment as we humans can help create, but this global warming lunacy is nothing more than a power and money grab.

The worst part of it all, is there is no evidence to back the alarmists claims, and yet, it is being shoved down everyones throat, as if it actually exists.

These lunatic leftist global warming kooks need to be further exposed, such as with this video.

46 Beagle  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:57:39pm

It's much better to watch the whole thing over the snips available at Pajamas Media. The most interesting thing to watch will be the backlash against the truth tellers at Channel Four and the scientists interviewed. I wouldn't be surprised if people are murdered.

47 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:57:43pm

Since 20,000 years ago my property was under ice layers, will someone from the gw loonfringe please tell me what MAN did back them to melt the ice?

Just asking, again. The left has never answered this simple question.

48 republic  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:57:57pm

"Global Warming", the biggest scam in the entire history of mankind!

49 starbird  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:58:15pm

327 Beagle: The Piltdown Man of the 21st Century!

That's the best, most succinct description of the global warming scam I've ever read! Thank you for that - I'll use it often.

50 jrdroll  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 5:59:29pm

Save the Planet - 6 billion humans stop breathing.

51 NamDoc67  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:00:43pm

Many were once relieved that th pc virus had at least not infected the hard sciences. Kiss those days good bye.

Political correctness is the new religion; naysayers the new heretics and witches, their careers to be burnt at the stake.

52 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:01:09pm

#31 loflyer

Torrent downloading works by sharing the load with other downloaders. When you're downloading it, you're not just downloading it from the server there, you're also downloading it from other people that already have part of it downloaded, and other people are downloading from you some of the parts you've already downloaded. It keeps the strain off the server, and spreads it evenly across all the people downloading it, who each contribute a small part of the download back out again.

This continues until you quit out of the torrent program on your machine.

You can read more about it here.

53 J6  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:02:29pm

To topic first: Is there anywhere to download the video and look at if offline or at another time? I can't sit here for that amount of time right now...

Off Topic: #4 Shug

But that's a great opportunity for those who don't believe the anthropogenic hype. Those who are arguing for the cause of global warming (Gore and DiCaprio, pay attention, et. al) have now had the reminder (apparently the evidence has been there for some time that animals produce more CO2 then vehicles produce) that THEY can actively effect the thing about which they are spreading fear!

They want to do all kinds of carbon buy-offs, berate your vehicle choice and use, push recycled products into your carts and now they have an extremely effective opportunity...stop eating meat! Sports Illustrated thinks global warming will drastically effect us? I guess that means no more hot dogs/sausages/steak sandwiches/you get the picture sold at stadiums...If they are SOOO afraid about what is happening how could they not follow this advice?!

Suddenly there is a dramatic action available for these windbags to publicly undertake and WE will get to remind them every time another picture bubbles up of one of them diving into a burger.

I actually appreciated the fact that PETA was pushing this! Oh what joy if it is well used!

/childish glee

54 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:02:45pm

I don't know what the argument is all about.

We have roughly 150 years of data (and I'm giving a few years). Much of that early data was measured with instruments that are, well, 150 years old. The earth is believed to be roughly 4.5 billion years old.

Furthermore, we haven't really been collecting data in a sufficient number of points around the globe for this entire time, and for those we have, our early data collection must be viewed with skepticism for the accuracy that's in it.

So what we have here is up to 150 years of data collection, not all of it from the most reliable instruments, not all of it from a substantive number of data collection points around the earth, and, ooh, maybe just not all of it - meaning maybe we haven't been tracking all of the variables involved in global temperature change. Does anybody here think that massive, burning collection of gases roughly 93 million miles away just may have something to do with how warm or cold we are?

Now, can someone do the math for me? My laptop's on-board calculator doesn't go this high. What percentage is 150 of 4.5 billion? I'm just curious. Now, I'm not a scientist, but I think the result we will see - maybe from one of you new lizards - is a very minute percentage.

Judging by my liberal estimate of 150 years, vs. 4.5 billion years, it's going to be a 3, with a crapload of decimal places before it.

There are no doubt some scientific smarties on this blog tonight. Let me ask you, is that a sufficient sample to starte moving your HYPOTHESIS to a CONCLUSION?

Sorry for the shouting.

55 pat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:03:22pm

Polar Bear population up dramatically because of global norming. Maybe those bears on the ice flows we always see now are moving to the 'burbs'.

[Link: thescotsman.scotsman.com...]

56 Killer Tomato  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:03:26pm

#50 jrdroll

The ice in my glass is still melting - obviously, someone isn't following instructions...

57 shug  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:04:23pm

Moonbat logic :

Variation of Solar activity correlates with temperature on earth

well this is just a cooincidence

but a non-link between CO2 and global temperature is taken as fact?

OK got it.

/ Pass the bong

58 revka  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:05:32pm

Is this world going crazy or what: Global warming caused by my SUV, everything we eat will kill us, Bush is Hitler, Islam is peace,Happy birthday Bin Laden, Diplomacy with Iran, WHAT NEXT?

59 pat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:06:29pm

#57 shug

Cough, cough......here E2M

60 FQ Kafir  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:06:48pm

#53 J6

It's been made into a torrent.

Check this link:

[Link: www.mininova.org...]

61 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:07:04pm

#34 fluffy

You just finished watching a one-hour, 15-minute video in eighteen minutes?

62 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:07:33pm

#58 revka

WHAT NEXT?

The Rodham.

63 jrdroll  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:07:41pm
Sorry for the shouting.

Please shout in HTML. Tia.

64 Stuck in california  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:08:17pm

But what is the proper temperature of the earth supposed to be?

65 J6  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:08:30pm

#60 FQ Kafir

Thanks! Checking it out now...

66 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:08:31pm

Singing hippie dispersal makes me happy...
Give Peace A Chance---Tacoma Police Riot

Give Peace A Chance---Tacoma Police Riot

"What the fuck are you doing? You shot me in the head with a rubber bullet!"

see also: Port of Tacoma police riot -- camera #2

Does tear gas cause global warming?
Hat Tip: Koskidz

67 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:08:39pm

A leftist stops eating meat, because he believes a cow produces too much methane. He proudly becomes a vegetarian and buys a bag of beans at the grocery store. He eats the beans and promptly increases his own methane output. The planet continues to warm. What a quandary.

68 republic  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:08:57pm

#58 revka

Is this world going crazy or what: Global warming caused by my SUV, everything we eat will kill us, Bush is Hitler, Islam is peace,Happy birthday Bin Laden, Diplomacy with Iran, WHAT NEXT?

Isn't it something!

It's like the farmer coming out of the storm cellar to see his farmed ruined, "Don't see anything the matter here Ma, ain't it great the wind stopped blowing".

I guess the ignorant deserve whatever befalls them.

69 shug  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:09:30pm

61 noam

right. I started watching in a seperate window just a few minutes after the thread was posted

and I am at the 38 minute mark

maybe she took one of those evelyn wood speed watching courses

70 swamprat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:09:47pm

I am so ashamed for out-sourcing my carbon credits! From now on, I will source my carbon rations from within the continental United States. I am going to pay my cousin, Freddy, $1, to not buy a Caddy. Thus I will save even more carbon credits, and at a reduced rate too! CALL AL GORE, AND TELL HIM TO QUIT SELLING OUT OUR VALUBLE CARBON RESCOURCES!...IT'S FOR THE FUTURE!

71 tankdemon  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:10:24pm

Revka-

Dogs and cats living together...

If we are looking for a shock, maybe a Democrat acting in the country's interest.

72 DesertSage  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:10:41pm

I don't know what the big deal is, I'm sure some of you living in the midwest (looking at Noam) would like a little global warming.

73 fluffy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:10:53pm

#61 Noam Sayin'

I found the link on...another site

(hangs head in shame)

74 deseeded  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:12:30pm

I'm a scientist and I approve of this message.

Consequently, I also approve of eating tofu once in awhile because well prepared, I like it as much as I like pulled pork.

Being vegetarian doesn't make you an idiot. Believing that we could change the world in less than a century without the use of one thousand nukes, makes you an idiot.

75 republic  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:13:19pm

#71 tankdemon

If we are looking for a shock, maybe a Democrat acting in the country's interest.

Bwahahahahahahahahaaaa

That's the best joke I've seen here, ever!

Very good.

76 jrdroll  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:13:22pm

Return earth to its natural state! - Bring back a swirling mass of magna.

77 solomonpanting  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:13:46pm

#54 Noam Sayin'

150 is to 4.5 billion as one is to 3.33 million.

78 Ones_Hope  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:13:47pm

Wonderful movie! Even for someone like me who knows nothing about the climate or anything like that.

Sure makes a hell of a lot more sense than a moonbat's argument....

79 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:14:05pm

#67 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Best one Ever!
Please send to ed begley jr.

LOL

80 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:15:12pm

#74 deseeded
tofu is also linked to reduced cancer rates. I don't eat as much as I should.

81 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:15:15pm

#54 Noam Sayin'

The excitement is over the fact that according to some fairly straightforward physics, CO2 should absorb IR on the way out. There are a number of problems with that that the IPCC just blows off, one of which they said in the program is that the temperature profiles are all wrong, so the model can't be right.

So what do they do? Ignore the evidence and declare the model right, on the preposterous claim that they can't afford to take the chance.

That, in a nutshell, is the "science" that some 20 billion dollars has bought for the IPCC. Not only is the world being sold a bill of goods, we've already paid for a defective product. We've already been screwed by having to pay major bucks for junk science.

82 swamprat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:17:05pm

RESCOURCES? ......oh well

83 NomadOfNorad  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:18:13pm

#61 Noam Sayin'

#34 fluffy

You just finished watching a one-hour, 15-minute video in eighteen minutes?

He must be a friend of Bill and Ted. That, or he'd already seen the film before Charles linked to it...

84 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:19:04pm

Women's Mixed Martial Arts fighting on the BoDog Fights show on Houston Time-Warner Cable Channel 7.

85 jrdroll  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:19:18pm

#81

We've already been screwed by having to pay major bucks for junk science.

Junk law - Scooter?

86 swamprat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:20:11pm

#74 deseeded.....recipe?

87 Flying Dutchman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:20:17pm

Despite this, saving energy shouldn't be abandoned as it will deprive corrupted foreign regimes (Venezuela, Russia etc) and islamic countries from having easy income !

The economy, politics and the planet may all be much better off the day civilized countries don't have to rely on imported energy.

88 Doss  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:20:47pm

#54 Noam Sayin'

So what we have here is up to 150 years of data collection, not all of it from the most reliable instruments, not all of it from a substantive number of data collection points around the earth, and, ooh, maybe just not all of it - meaning maybe we haven't been tracking all of the variables involved in global temperature change.

I remember reading or hearing (probably ten years ago) that the monitors they use for temperature were often located a few miles outside of cities. Well, cities grew and eventually overtook, or got significantly closer to these temperature monitors than before. We all know that cities are warmer than the country, and this might explain some of the warming.

89 Beagle  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:21:25pm

Right on cue, with the appropriate apocalyptic religious rhetoric:

How Europe can save the world

The EU's landmark deal on carbon controls must be the model for a new Kyoto agreement The key is the political result for EU kleptocrats and statists:

For pro-Europeans like me, there has been little to cheer about over the last 10 years. But, extraordinarily, the EU is recovering its sense of purpose. Who knows? It may even soon be safe for Britain's political class to start believing that there are votes in being pro-European.


"Climate change" works politically to bolster UN and EU kleptocrats and statists. Not to mention the money pouring in, oh, the money. Screw the science.

90 J6  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:22:38pm

Giving props where props are due...

I now have the torrent downloading in the background on a secondary linux machine....

A big thank you to FQ Kafir and post #60 (not to be in any way construed or confused with post #17)...

Lizards rock

91 Timbre  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:22:55pm

He's quite an actor, quite an actor
and director, Earth Protector,
and his name is Oscar Al.

He's quite a mentor, eco-mentor,
and the Internet Inventor,
and his name is Oscar Al.

92 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:24:18pm

#72 DesertSage (by the way, you're out of Mezcal)

Frankly, I don't mind the extreme frigid temps in Minnesota (though I hate paying for my own heating bill). It makes the Spring thaw all that more beautiful. Just today, I was out chipping ice in my alley at 42 degrees - in a t-shirt.

Very soon, the crocus will sprout. Soon after that, the three dozen other bulbs I planted last Fall will sprout. Minnesota is the most beautiful place on earth.

Last night, I was drinking white wine, and all I had to do was plunk it into the snowbank next to my sidewalk for about 30 minutes to get it chilled. Meanwhile, I cracked open a Schell's Schmalt's Alt I had cooling from the night before in a snowbank out back.

And soon, I'll move my bonsai trees out to the yard.

Life is good.

93 loflyer  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:24:37pm

52, NomadofNorad, Thanks for the info, I could not understand why I had downloaded nearly 700 meg and uploaded 250 meg. I was extremely suspicious to say the least.
Once the word gets out about this documentary, the global warming caused by man myth will be obsolete. There is no reason force our third world brothers to remain in poverty while we reap the rewards. Imagine the millions of individuals that will be brought out of poverty by the insensitivity of the conservatives.
Al Gore, whom I thought was about as low a human specimen to be found, has been officially down graded to "lower than whale shit".

94 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:24:44pm

OT

BABY SNATCHED OUT OF LUBBOCK HOSPITAL

By BETSY BLANEY, Associated Press Writer
Sat Mar 10, 5:29 PM ET

LUBBOCK, Texas - A woman posing as a medical worker kidnapped a three-day-old infant from a hospital early Saturday, police said.

Mychael Darthard-Dawodu was last seen at 1:20 a.m. at Covenant Lakeside Hospital when a woman wearing blue and flower-print hospital scrubs and a gray hooded jacket took her and drove off in a pickup truck, police said.

Hospital surveillance video showed the woman with the jacket hood pulled around her head and holding a purse as she walked through the lobby.

PLEASE READ MORE.

95 directorblue  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:25:06pm

That's a tremendously important video. I also posted a complementary article entitled, "Is Al Gore's Inconvenient Fiction a $250 Billion Scam?"


It relates to Al Gore's use of "carbon offsets" to make up for his incredible energy consumption. Wanton profiteering appears to be at the very heart of "carbon offsets." Put simply, a wide range of respected scientists, environmentalists, researchers, agriculturalists, and activists believe that carbon offsets are a "scam", "fantasy", "fiction", "nonsense", "fraudulent" and worse. And they've been saying so since 2000, though to read the newspaper you wouldn't know it.

96 Shr_Nfr  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:25:11pm

Without regard to global warming, I suggest thst it is in the bext interes of all to join SAAT (Starve An Arabt Today) organization. If the Saudis can't sell their oil to us and Hugo is astuck with it too because we do not need it it you just break my heart. I intend to have 6KW of photo panels on the roof my mid-summer and am heating my house with sawdust pellets in a fireplace insert Screw em. Maybe global warming is true maybe its false, bur ir is our interest to remove any power these assholes have over us.

The more we isolate ourselves from these assholes the better off we are.

97 jrdroll  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:25:13pm

AlGore - Caliphate '08

98 deseeded  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:26:13pm

killgore, my girlfriend tells me not to eat too much because it contains raised levels of female hormones or something...I don't argue with her, she's a PhD student in chemical biology out in Urbana.....

So do I blame my slowly growing manboobs on it or do I blame global warming? :-p

On another note: Still really glad I found this website after all my friends told me I'm being too conservative these days! Thanks Charles!

99 republic  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:26:31pm

The last laugh will be on these global warming clowns, after they've extorted hundreds of trillions of dollars from people around the globe, only to find out, that the global climate is going to continue to do what it has for 4.5 billion years, change, no matter what man does, or doesn't do.

Man never has been in charge, and never will be.

I guess on that note, the last laugh is already on the kooks!

I laugh at Algore and people like him.

100 NY Nana  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:27:17pm

#80 Killgore Trout

Have I got a recipe for you! : Mackerel balls with tofu and miso

Enjoy! :)

101 mich-again  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:27:34pm

I wouldn't go so far as to say that all the research about global warming is bunk. Its hardly a stretch to propose that the earth's carbon cycle is currently out of balance and that the level of CO2 is increasing. But don't lose any sleep over the planet's fate. Mankind is a nothing more than a wart on Mother Nature's ass and she will self-correct, just like she always has and always will until the sun goes dim. The question is will humans live through the inevitable climate swings over the next thousand years or so? I say Humans will survive, but our current civilization doesn't have a chance. Its too complicated.

102 Luigi  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:28:25pm

The movie's a slamdunk.

103 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:28:39pm

According to the media-industrial complex, scientists are well nigh unanimous in their support of anthropogenic causation for global warming. This, of course, is a Big Lie worthy of Joseph Goebbels and it will be a serious threat to the credibility of the scientific community when the whole house of cards collapses, as it shows many signs of doing.

The media-industrial complex has been fundamentally hostile to science since the rise of the current internal media culture in the 1960s. The media beasts may therefore see the harm they are doing to scientific credibility as a long-term bonus.

I can see it now....

October 31st, 2030;
President Chelsea Abdullah-Clinton announces the invasion of Costa Rica.
The President: "I know the Pentagon staff disagrees, but our White House astrologers are certain that this is a propitious moment for this particular operation."
Scientist: "You're crazy! Astrology is bunk!"
The President: "Weren't you the guys who pushed global warming?"

A few years later:

"...and on the basis of the latest tea-leaf readings, we have concluded that computers cause brain cancer and we have therefore ordered a shutdown of the entire internet and confiscation of these dangerous machines."
Scientist: "You're crazy, Madame President! Tea-leaves are just leaves!
President: "Weren't you the guys who pushed global warming?"

and yet again....
President Natalie Maines-Chavez introduces legislation to substitute aura-reading for trial by jury in criminal cases.
Scientist: "You're crazy! Aura-reading is bunk!"
Maines-Chavez: "Weren't you the guys who pushed global warming?"

Scientists who have jumped on this bandwagon should certainly be held accountable, but media hysterics are the main culprits.

104 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:28:51pm

I have taken a day off w/o interweb, but am now eagerly awaiting 0Z models to see if I can drop some global warming on NYC for St. Patrick's Day.

105 dual_boot_brain  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:29:08pm

#31 loflyer

utorrent (aka microtorrent) is a bittorrent client for downloading files. It is based on peer-2-peer architecture which means while you download, someone else is uploading from you.

106 DesertSage  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:29:11pm

#92 Noam Sayin' (your tree still hasn't bloomed, sorry)

Yeah, and I've been working in 90 degree heat framing a roof.

...and I'm out of Mezcal!

107 solomonpanting  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:29:35pm

Since many lefties, especially in Europe, became Green after forsaking communist Red (hence, Watermelons), this Goebbel's Warning farce is merely a 21st Century Cold War Reversal.

108 USA  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:30:40pm

2/3 through the video. Thank you, Charles. The part discussing how the communist radicals needed a new platform after the wall fell, and how their anti-west screed found a new voice in the "environmental" movement was a great moment in the video.

109 swamprat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:31:05pm

#96 Shr-Nfr _ tell me more about using sawdust pellets in a fireplace insert. Wire basket? .Or a very special insert?

110 Timbre  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:32:46pm

Ed MaaQMB: Severe, soon to be killer, thunderstorms approaching West Texas and Panhandle.

Al, save us! It's the end of terrestrial life as we know it!

111 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:33:45pm

#100 NY Nana
Mackerel balls? I usually have a few trout (and hopefully a few salmon) in the feezer. I may try some substitutes. looks really good, bookmarked.

112 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:34:32pm

#94 Mandy Manners

Many thanks for posting that. I live about 4 blocks from Covenant Medical Center where this happened (Tech Terrace for those who know Lubbock). Police and volunteers have been turning the city upside down looking for this baby and the perp, and they are still at it.

The perp resembles someone I know, an employee of a different facility. I gave her name to the cops. I hated to turn her in, since odds are against it being her, but the resemblance was just too strong to ignore. Somebody, somewhere, knows something, or will see something, and the authorities need it all.

113 solomonpanting  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:35:22pm

#110 Timbre

Al, save us! It's the end of terrestrial life as we know it!

And women and minorities will be hit the hardest.

114 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:35:34pm

So I'm supposed to believe all this data over Al Gore?

115 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:37:06pm

Cute chick of Asian (Not talking Pakistani, either) origin with a UK accent getting ready to fight, on the 'ION network with Bodog fight.

116 Clutch  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:38:04pm

Global warming is the new black!
c'mon, y'all, get with the program, already! Don't you want to be all trendy 'n hip 'n s#it? Jeeze, people, does the Gorifice need to issue yet another Xtra-large stinky log o' wizzdumb before you sheeple get it? Faaah...

117 DesertSage  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:39:47pm

#114 Geepers

So I'm supposed to believe all this data over Al Gore?

That's up to you Geepers. Personally, I think all this global warming crap is just a Communist plot.

118 Indefatigable  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:40:19pm

Sat and watch the whole thing on Google Video. Ammo against the irrational crap out there.

119 abu jimbola  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:42:41pm

Just to add to this, there is a terrific web presentation called: Global Warming Myth or Reality? A Skeptic's View Stink Test from the site "The Internet Skeptic"

On you tube it is:

Did I mention it is almost 2 hours long... but well worth it. You can also download the presentation or just the powerpoint slides.

120 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:42:47pm

#117 DesertSage

Nah, it's more like a communist stampede. They aren't capable of hatching good plots any more (unlike us lizardoids).

121 pat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:43:26pm

I am sure it is posted already, but I will not back thread. Drudge. Panic in the Streets! Global Warming! (stupid)

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

122 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:45:08pm

The people who made this documentary are friggun brilliant ... at minute 39 they lay out how Maggie Thatcher is responsible for launching the global warming swindle.

This is brilliant political jujitsu - if there is one person that the UK left hates passionately it is Thatcher. The seeds of doubt these guys just planted is formidable.

123 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:46:14pm
A leftist stops eating meat, because he believes a cow produces too much methane. He proudly becomes a vegetarian and buys a bag of beans at the grocery store. He eats the beans and promptly increases his own methane output. The planet continues to warm. What a quandary.

Indeed it is, indeed it is.

Reminds me of this guy who we were treating for a calcaneus fracture that required surgery a couple of Thanksgivings prior.

His wife was proud to let me know they would be having tofurkey for the occaision.

Poor bastard.

As for the quandry, who do you pay off for the methane footprint credits?

124 blackpajamas  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:46:14pm

"Water vapor is a greenhouse gas"

"By far, the most important greenhouse gas." -- video

125 shug  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:47:23pm

charles

thanks for posting this excellent video link!

126 jrdroll  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:48:58pm
"Water vapor is a greenhouse gas"

Empty the oceans NOW

127 Beagle  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:49:09pm

Devastating. I'm a couple minutes from the end. The snips at PJM are great, but the entire thing is overwhelming. The BBC censors contrary views... Anyone surprised? Anyone?

128 Clutch  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:49:46pm

#109

I think that it is called a pellet stove. Me & Ms. Clutch have been using one for about 12 years now. The fuel is made out of oak sawdust, peanut shells (?) and paraffin; clean burning, cheap (a 28 lb. bag of pellets costs less than 4 bucks), E-Z to store and handle the fuel and doesn't smell (OK, that's a downside; I love the smell of burning oak, hickory, elm, mesquite, etc.) The stove are NOT cheap and they rely on electricity to feed the pellets (which makes them useless in a power outage), but they do kick out some major heat. I think that you can now get them with soapstone exteriors, which makes them that much more efficient (soapstone is an extremely good material for heat retention and will radiate heat for a very long time).

129 easy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:49:47pm

solomonpanting

this Goebbel's Warning farce is merely a 21st Century Cold War Reversal.


The Warming War

130 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:50:52pm

#88 Doss

I remember reading or hearing (probably ten years ago) that the monitors they use for temperature were often located a few miles outside of cities. Well, cities grew and eventually overtook, or got significantly closer to these temperature monitors than before. We all know that cities are warmer than the country, and this might explain some of the warming.

Yeah, it's called the "heat island." It's why - typically - tornadoes don't reach downtown areas of major metropolises (Nashville, notwithstanding).

I'm thinking of other aspects, much farther back in history. Say you're a new settler inthe Louisiana Purchase, and part of your contribution as a scientist and new settler to an area maybe 80 miles north of Jamestown, ND, you agree to mark temperature and precipitation on a daily basis for the national record. I'm from this area, so I know what you're in for. It's not uncommon for the temperatures to stay below 0 - much below 0 - for 30 days or more in Winer. Furthermore, there are no trees to speak of, so the wind blows hard on the Great Plains.

Your measuring devices are a half mile away, so as not to be disturbed by your poor-ass, buried-in-snow, sod hut, which is warmed by the only luxury you cared to drag with you 1,500 miles from the East coast - the Franklin stove. A step outside the door is a Dante-like slap in the face few humans have ever endured. You have to feed your livestock, chop wood, cook dinner, patch any leaks in your walls, and meanwhile, those "measuring devices" are a half mile away through waist-deep snow.

Do you:

A) Trudge your way through waist-deep snow in a blinding wind to find the snowfall and temperatures are just about the same as the day before, or...

B) Just enter figures that closely approximate how you think the weather has changed from the day before.

131 alone in 90210  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:51:22pm

I registered and got on tonight after a long, long period of lurking. I think. So I am trying it out now.

132 swamprat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:51:41pm

thank you, Clutch

133 swamprat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:53:06pm

131... welcome

134 alibey  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:55:07pm

OT

Check out this anti-hillary advert

Some one redone the Apple "1984" add.

135 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:55:32pm

DesertSage (#117),

That was a joke.

I've always said the main driving force for temperature was the sun.

The Sun has blasted a loop of gas into space which is 40 times the diameter of the Earth.

The image was captured on Monday by the SoHo satellite which constantly observes the Sun's activity.

The material in the prominence is at temperatures of around 80,000 Kelvin. Although hot, this is still much cooler than the outer edge of the Sun itself which is more than one million K.

136 formercorpsman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:55:48pm
I registered and got on tonight after a long, long period of lurking. I think. So I am trying it out now.

OK, well your here now.

Belly up, the next round is on you.

Welcome.

137 DesertSage  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:55:55pm

#131 alone in 90210

You're not alone (in 90210), there are other LA Lizards here.

138 blackpajamas  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:56:14pm

North America "has already experienced substantial ecosystem, social and cultural disruption from recent climate extremes," such as hurricanes and wildfires. -- AP

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

The Cedar fire in fall of 2003 that almost leapt west over I-15 and threatened to incinerate all of San Diego was caused by a single Mexican.

It was caused by a single Mexican who got lost when he was hunting and decided to shoot a flare over dry brush in order for people to find him to rescue him.

139 fluffy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:57:05pm

#130 Noam

I have family 43 miles north of Jamestown, ND. Stop by the lounge and I'll buy you a drink.

140 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:57:48pm

Alone in 90210? How can anyone be alone there? ; )

Welcome

141 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:57:54pm

Still looks like if everything works out, especially if they can manage a few inches of snow on Friday as the arctic front passes, just may keep daytime highs on St. Patrick's Day below freezing in NYC and BOS for the drunken pasty white people's parade.


Anyone who passes out in public from alcohol overconsumption will risk hypothermia!

142 blame canada  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 6:58:58pm

ok, global warming doesnt come from co2. but its definitely a mossad plot.

143 Doug  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:00:32pm

THANK YOU CHARLES!

and the blind shall see....

144 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:00:36pm

Defector spied on Iran for years

AN Iranian general who defected to the West last month had been spying on Iran since 2003 when he was recruited on an overseas business trip, according to Iranian sources.

This weekend Brigadier General Ali Reza Asgari, 63, the former deputy defence minister, is understood to be undergoing debriefing at a Nato base in Germany after he escaped from Iran, followed by his family.

/that's gonna leave a mark

145 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:02:13pm

OT

‘Triangle of Death’ now a safe passage for pilgrims

MAHMUDIYAH, Iraq — They called it the “Triangle of Death,” a bloody, 330-square-mile expanse of canal-veined farmland and low-rise towns that hosted the wedding of terrorist Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi and saw cash bounties paid for the murder of local officials, foreign journalists and Iraqi and American soldiers.

Today however, this infamous piece of real estate straddling the Sunni-Shiite fault line south of Baghdad has earned the reputation of being Iraq’s most secure passage for Shiite pilgrims marching south to Karbala for the Arba’een holiday.

No doubt the alphabet media will fall over themselves to run this very important story, or at least explain the improved security situation.

*crickets*

146 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:02:55pm

What always bothers me about the eco-nuts is that they not only say we need to stop generating "greenhouse gasses", but they also reject all the practical solutions, like nuclear energy.

And the fight over a wind farm a company wants to build off Cape Cod has been ridiculous.
Although it is mostly rich people using it for an excuse. If they really believed global warming, and could think (pick which one they lack), they'd think their property would be underwater in years.

Interesting that both Mitt Romney and Ted (the Swimmer) Kennedy both agree in opposing Cape Wind.

147 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:04:31pm
148 NY Nana  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:04:46pm

#111 Killian Trout

Enjoy!

Here is a real article, honest! Ultimate irony: Meat fire brings down barbecued tofu joint

Sunday, March 11, 2007

The ultimate irony struck before dawn Wednesday in Hyde Park when perhaps the oldest vegetarian restaurant in Austin was torched accidentally by a homeless guy cooking — steaks.

When I heard that Mother's Cafe & Garden at 4215 Duval St. had burned, I wondered how that could happen. A fire at a veghead place? Have you ever tried to set fire to a zucchini? How's a fire break out at a place without a grease trap?

Besides, a vegetarian joint ought to get better fire protection than a meat place.

Bert's Bar-B-Q near the University of Texas was damaged in a fire after a 911 dispatcher didn't send firetrucks because he thought the place was cooking brisket. But if smoke pours out of a vegetarian restaurant, you don't figure somebody's grilling an eggplant.

So, when I heard that a street dude known as Roadie had accidentally burned down the outdoor garden at Mother's when he fell asleep after starting a "cook fire" to do some steaks, I thought that it was horrible but that a higher being has a twisted sense of humor.

So, what kind of steaks was the guy doing? "I have no idea," said Cameron Alexander, one of the owners of Mother's. "There was also a can of dog food back there that made me wonder because I'm not sure he had a dog."

Mother's will be 27 years old June 6. Alexander said one of the insurance people told him that it'll take five months to put the place back together entirely. The outdoor garden seating area was destroyed. The interior will have to be remodeled.

It may be the first time that steaks have ever been done at Mother's, and Alexander sees the irony. "That was Ed Clements' crack this morning on the radio," said Alexander, referring to the KLBJ commentator. He said the other irony is that the restaurant donated the prepared food that it couldn't serve to Caritas, a charity that will probably give the food to the homeless.

"They got a van here right away so homeless people would get a bunch of lasagna," Alexander said.

Alexander isn't feeling particularly charitable with John Evans, aka Roadie, who admitted that he accidentally torched Mother's after falling asleep while cooking in an alcove behind the restaurant. Evans was not charged.

"He's been a regular pain in the (caboose)," Alexander said. "We've had a trespassing warrant on the guy. We've shooed him away a number of times, made him take his grocery cart away. He berates the customers for unknown reasons, hits people up for change, and on top of that, he's kind of an ornery, mean guy. He's had this ongoing yelling thing with one of our managers."

Sadly, Alexander said, March is the busiest month for the restaurant. So, he's thinking about setting up some tents soon and serving to-go food to keep his employees in paychecks until Mother's can reopen. He's also considering coming up with a funny T-shirt to commemorate the tragedy.

My T-shirt suggestion was "Mother's: No shirt, no shoes, no hobos cookin' steaks." Alexander liked the sound of it. Heck, I'd buy two or three of 'em.

149 BingoBunny  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:05:31pm

Wonderful report.. This kind of effort will break the back of Gobal greenhouse nazis' , One day a president Of the USA will put a 40 year halt on Gobal warming money and this will end as surely as studying how far apart criminals eyes are.

150 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:06:00pm

This itty-bitty baby has been stolen.

151 DesertSage  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:06:27pm

Environmental Journalism?

If this isn't a Communist plot I don't know what is.

152 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:07:14pm

#139 fluffy

I have family 43 miles north of Jamestown, ND. Stop by the lounge and I'll buy you a drink.

No kidding? What town?

Can't do the lounge tonight - it moves to fast and I've been drinking.

You know I had to call your ass on that "just finished watching" thing. I'm thinking you just finished watching all you needed to see, and it was as innocent as that.

153 Flying Dutchman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:07:59pm

#131 alone in 90210

Welcome on board !

154 blackpajamas  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:08:06pm

"What appears as a nice friendly yellow ball, would appear like a raging tiger."

"The sun is an incredibly violent beast, and it's throwing out great explosions, and puffs of gas" -- video

Al Gore is secretly envious of our sun.

155 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:09:16pm

Part way through the program now, and they're discussing the realtionship between CO2 and temperature...

In the spirit of the "truther" chickenwire model of structural failure, I propose the following experiment:

Heat up a pan of soda pop on the stove. What happens to CO2? This simulates dissolved CO2 in the oceans being released as the oceans warm. Now, in our model, CO2 release correlates with temperature, but we know that the warming is not caused by the CO2, but rather warming is the result of another factor (your stove) that is also causing CO2 release.

(Note: DO NOT TRY THIS EXPERIMENT WITH A SEALED CONTAINER OF POP, OR ANY OTHER LIQUID FOR THAT MATTER! SERIOUS INJURY, BURNS, AND/OR DEATH MAY RESULT.)

156 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:09:41pm

AmericanThinker has had a pretty decent series of commentaries on the Global Warming thing.

157 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:10:07pm

God, I hate leftists. I'm going get as many of them as I can get my hands on and make them watch this. And I'm reminded of a line from the movie Sahara-

"Nobody cares about Africa."

Thanks you for this, Charles. I never really thought about Global Warming as racists.

/BAN THE SUN!

158 phoenixgirl  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:10:08pm

Noam

no one is in the lounge. I was talking to myself in there.

159 swamprat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:11:41pm

You guys are nuts. Manbearpig is real. 'Night

160 fluffy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:12:03pm

#153 Noam

Carrington, 43 miles north on 281. I think I have some cousins in New Rockford, also.

Obscure geography night on LGF

161 m  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:12:15pm

phoenixgirl~ they are in the overflow room. Or they were a little bit ago.

162 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:12:34pm

fluffy, got it.

Must be Devil's Lake.

Beautiful town.

163 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:12:46pm

God almighty.

164 m  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:12:49pm

#159 swamprat
Are you serial?! Geesh.

165 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:13:17pm

SF fans should read Fallen Angels by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, and Michael Flynn. This was written in the early 90s, when global warming was already a red hot issue in scientific circles. It postulates a near-future world run by superstitious, authoritarian Greens. The world has fallen into a new Ice Age because of the lack of greenhouse emissions.
The Greenies stubbornly refuse to recognize the evidence of their own eyes, but pro-science dissidents work to save what is left of civilization.
The book overstates the case in many ways, with glaciers advancing into Minnesota by 2010 or so, but it is a fun read and its portrayal of the dogmatic and delusional eco-wackies is unflinchingly (and often hilariously) on target.

166 victor_yugo  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:15:20pm

Is it buried at Digg yet?

167 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:15:28pm

17 Earth2moonbat

Sharmutas cause males to produce excess CO2.

Not even I can compete with the Great sharmuta we call Ocean.

168 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:15:39pm

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

By BETSY BLANEY, Associated Press Writer
Sat Mar 10, 5:29 PM ET


LUBBOCK, Texas - A woman posing as a medical worker kidnapped a three-day-old infant from a hospital early Saturday, police said.

169 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:15:43pm

158 phoenixgirl 3/10/2007 09:10PM PST

no one is in the lounge. I was talking to myself in there.

I've been trying to get the lounge to work but no go...even with all the self help. I suck at software!

170 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:15:47pm

Texas radar loop.

Cool cell near Childress.

171 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:16:31pm

Carrington! Also a nice little Plains town.

172 fluffy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:17:05pm

162 Noam

Sorry, I was unclear. Carrington is 43 miles north of Jamestown. I think my mother's family is originally from Barlow.

173 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:17:28pm

And the best part about all this?

In twenty years when the temperatures are exactly the same as they are now.

174 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:18:12pm

168 MandyManners

I can't tell you how many times Kaiser (socialist medicine as close as it gets in the usa as of now) told me that no one will take my baby. Yet when I had her, 3 kaiser employees tried to justify why they had to take my healthy baby somewhere. I had my hubby follow them.

It's just such a crock. There is absolutely no reason unless the baby is severely sick (jaundice btw they can treat IN the room with the mother) why they need to take the baby.

I can see how this happened, I'm sad for the mother and father of this baby. I really hope they get her back.

175 Promethea  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:18:51pm

#64 Stuck in California . . .

But what is the proper temperature of the earth supposed to be?

Red alert! Red alert! Someone asked the right question.

Arm the photon torpedoes. Call the Inquisition. Call the Republican Guard. Ask the Imam. This person MUST NOT be allowed to live.

176 swamprat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:18:53pm

Goodnight, Mandy. Nothing we can do. But pray.(you atheists and agostics, hope counts also)

177 Stuck in california  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:21:11pm

#175 Prometha

Oh shit, must I go into hiding?

178 MandyManners  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:22:22pm

174 Highrise

:-)

179 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:22:23pm

114 Geepers

So I'm supposed to believe all this data over Al Gore?

Who you gonna believe- Al Gore, or your own lyin' eyes?

/He's the Former Future President, you know

180 NY Nana  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:23:30pm

#173 Geepers

And the best part about all this?

In twenty years when the temperatures are exactly the same as they are now.

Exactly..or a tad colder.

181 Jaxter  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:23:31pm

Just Finished.

Thank you Charles, no, bless you!

182 Ledger1  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:23:39pm

Climatology has become a crowed and somewhat less lucrative field. Hence, I have decided to change my title. I am now a Climaservatoligist.

…and there are not very many of them around;)

183 Promethea  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:24:40pm

#74 deseeded . . .

I also approve of eating tofu once in awhile because well prepared, I like it as much as I like pulled pork.

What's pulled pork? I finally googled it after seeing pulled pork referred to many times on LGF. For those of you who don't know what pulled pork is, it's barbecued pork.

Reason #2 why I'm addicted to LGF.....I learn so many new things about the U.S. and its many regional variations.

BTW, how many of you lizards know what a bubbler is?

184 Flying Dutchman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:24:57pm

#166 victor_yugo

Not yet, 77 diggs nad counting in 2 hours... let's hope it reaches the front page.
I'm sure Charles would love to test the new system under heavy load.

185 kawfytawk  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:25:39pm

Outstanding video Charles. Thanks!

I especially found the co-founder of Greenpeace to be funny as hell. "do we have the authority to eliminate one our table of elements" too funny.

186 brickthruplateglasswindow  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:26:52pm

#168 MandyManners

Prayers for the family and the baby! Gotta wonder what wires get crossed in someone's head that they would do something like that.

187 LC LaWedgie  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:28:43pm

Most Detailed Satellite Views of Antarctica

Researchers from NASA and the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), Golden, Colo., have woven together more than a thousand images from the Landsat 7 satellite to create the most detailed, high-resolution map ever produced of Antarctica. The Landsat Image Mosaic of Antarctica (LIMA) offers views of the coldest continent on Earth in 10 times greater detail than previously possible.

/10,000 penguins spell "ALGORE GO HOME"

188 eastvillageinfidel  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:29:24pm

The enviro-cult thinking creeps me out. I have had people howl (I mean HOWL) with derisive laughter when I suggest we might be overreacting to the threat. They can't explain it, exactly, but scientists agree we're doing bad things and we have to stop or New York will be underwater in 10 years. And someone must be punished for it! Take away all the SUV's!There's a weird superstitous element to it. They blindly follow the word scientists they know nothing about and whose work they can't understand and will listen to no argument however logical. I imagine it's the kind of thinking that led to human sacrifices.

189 Da_Beerfreak  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:29:37pm

#60 FQ Kafir 3/10/2007 08:06PM PST

Thanks for the link.

190 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:30:18pm

187 LC LaWedgie

/10,000 penguins spell "ALGORE GO HOME"

I really hope people see al gore for what he is. A liar who just wants to get rich.

191 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:30:33pm

#155 Dar ul Harb

(Note: DO NOT TRY THIS EXPERIMENT WITH A SEALED CONTAINER OF POP, OR ANY OTHER LIQUID FOR THAT MATTER! SERIOUS INJURY, BURNS, AND/OR DEATH MAY RESULT.)

That was nice of you to include that warning for any troll, moby, or moonbat that might have read your post. I’d hate to see one of them harmed by their own ignorance.

Oh, and for any of the afore mentioned folks, please, don’t pick up a running lawnmower by its base to trim your hedges, don’t drop a hairdryer in the bath water to warm it up, and don’t assume Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn know what TF they are talking about.

192 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:30:42pm

#183 Promethea

BTW, how many of you lizards know what a bubbler is?

A drinking fountain. From what I can tell, it's Milwaukee thing - and eastward.

193 Promethea  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:32:06pm

#89 Beagle . . .

Right on cue, with the appropriate apocalyptic religious rhetoric:

How Europe can save the world

Is it just you and me or are we right in thinking that Europe is run by a bunch of silly old fools?

I'm even more grateful than I was yesterday that my grandparents got on that boat and came to the U.S.

Europe seems to be run by a small cabal of idiots who don't know nothing about anything.

194 deseeded  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:32:56pm

#80 swamprat:

Two tofu tricks:

When you first buy it (extra firm is the best for frying, etc) freeze it over night before you use it. The ice crystals expand the pores in the tofu allwoing for a better marinading as a bigger pocket holds more flavor.

Second thing is to squeeze out all the water using paper towels (don't recycle them, just throw them out to drive hippies crazy). Cut your tofu block in to little cubes. If the tofu is rectangular, cut it in to four strips lengthwise and 6-7 times widthwise. Cut the cube in half only.

Marinade overnight in your fridge.

A good marinade is really simple. Garlic powder, italian salad dressing, and add hot sauce for a bite. Super easy! Fry it on medium heat in a little olive oil.

Serve it with veggies over rice.

/end sily cooking lesson

195 Flying Dutchman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:34:55pm

#175 Promethea
&
#64 Stuck in California . .

But what is the proper temperature of the earth supposed to be?

Here some sailors say (translated) :

The wind is always too strong or too weak and when it's force is perfect it's coming from the wrong direction...

Can be adapted to the temperature, never good enough ;-)

196 LC LaWedgie  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:36:51pm

#190 Highrise -

I really hope people see al gore for what he is.

That would be waaay too much info.
I just hope he and Janet Reno don't get into television sitcom syndication.

197 Promethea  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:38:47pm

#116 Clutch . . .

Global warming is the new black!

I thought pink was the new black.

/Who can keep up with the latest fashions?

198 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:40:18pm

#188 eastvillageinfidel

They blindly follow the word scientists they know nothing about and whose work they can't understand and will listen to no argument however logical. I imagine it's the kind of thinking that led to human sacrifices.


How true!

/Check out the comments of the true believers, of The Church of the Second Hand Smoke, over here

199 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:42:49pm

I can't get over how racist this really is. They are condemning Africans to continue to live in poverty! These leftists want us to care about AIDS in Africa- but nevermind they can't keep medical supplies at proper tempratures because we won't help them achieve electric sustainability. Nevermind improving the life expectancy of African women and children by removing pollutants from their homes, as well as providing them with the means to keep perishable food items. Nevermind they have thier own means to provide energy for themselves with their own oil and coal reserves that would create good paying jobs for Africans, and improve the economies of their nations.

200 adela  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:46:08pm

Yes,the temperature in most western countries are at risk of rising a few thousands degrees,when the practitioners of the religion of peace will detonate nuclear bombs for the glory of allah...and that is the only possible men made global warming scenario.

201 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:46:13pm

sharmuta,

Please stop making so much sense.

Thank you,

al gore.

202 Doug  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:46:53pm

Mandy, I know you're a little distressed right now, but I thoght you might enjoy a little levity that's right on topic in this thread.

203 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:49:24pm

The perfect temperature, as defined by me, is the normal early April day in Houston, about 27º plus or minus a degree or two during the day, about 18º at night.

Of course, for beach weather, its best in August, when the surf temperature reaches over 30º along the Texas coast (hit 33º a week before Hurricane Katrina hit, so maybe 33º water is too warm), which implies an air temp at the beach closer to 32º

204 Hucbald  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:49:36pm

I'm sensing a slowly rising tide of anti-leftardism in the MSM.

It's taking long enough.

205 shmuli  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:50:04pm

OK, nobody has mentioned it yet, so I want you to all go to
and bookmark one of the best sites on this subject:
[Link: www.co2science.org...]

do a great job and deserve your time, effort and donations.

You are welcome.

206 29Victor  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:50:08pm

I especially like the points made in the last fifteen or so minutes.
Western environmentalists have been responsible for the deaths of millions of people in third world contries over the last few decades.

In the 1970's and 1980's they had DDT banned because of some percieved threat to the environment. This resulted in millions of preventable deaths from malaria carrying mosquitoes.

Now they fight against genetically engineered crops and livestock that could help feed the starving billions, and they fight against the use of the cheapest and most abundant sources of energy that could create heat and light and refrigeration for those same poor masses.

The left goes on and on about how many people they say President Bush has killed, but any number that they might come up with pales in comparason to the number that environmental extreemism kills in a month.

207 Wild Thing  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:50:32pm

Thank you so much for this. I hope a lot of people see this.

208 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:51:28pm

It's interesting to see from the show the correlation between catastrophic climate predictions and observed temperature change. In the few decades before the 1970s, the mean global temperature was declining, so the fear was continued cooling, and a new ice age. After the temperature started going up, the fear switched to continued warming.

On the contrary, I say this correlation demonstrates that forecasting the weather changes the weather. ;)

209 victor_yugo  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:51:58pm

#192 Noam Sayin':

No locals in Ohio call it a "bubbler" that I'm aware of. One of my teachers in 7th grade told us it's a New England thing.

210 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:52:00pm

#197 Promethea

/Who can keep up with the latest fashions?

I don't try, I figure pretty much anything well made, will come back in fashion eventually. Before you say it, leisure suits don’t count, I said, “well made”.

211 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:53:46pm

Once again the hypocricy and willful blindness of the Left:

Bush's Ranch House 'Far More Eco-Friendly' Than Gore's

George Bush may be a nemesis of the global green movement and Al Gore its hero, but the president's home is arguably far more environmentally-friendly than the home of the man he defeated in the 2000 election.

Bush's "Western White House" in Crawford, Texas, has been praised as "an eco-friendly haven" while the former vice-president's home in Nashville, Tennessee was criticized this week for heavy power consumption.

"Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into purifying tanks underground -- one tank for water from showers and bathroom sinks, which is so-called 'gray water,' and one tank for 'black water' from the kitchen sink and toilets," it said. "The purified water is funneled to the cistern with the rainwater."

In addition, "the Bushes installed a geothermal heating and cooling system, which uses about 25 percent of the electricity that traditional heating and air-conditioning systems consume."

As Cybercast News Service reported earlier, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research (TCPR) charged on Monday that Gore's mansion in Nashville "consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year."

It's no wonder they HATE George Bush.

212 Flying Dutchman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:54:43pm
213 Irene NYC  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:56:35pm

#108 USA

Thank you, Charles. The part discussing how the communist radicals needed a new platform after the wall fell, and how their anti-west screed found a new voice in the "environmental" movement was a great moment in the video.

I'll second that - including, most especially, the thank you. This part of the film you highlighted was really excellent and when it got to the part where the environmental terrorists started spouting off that "British corporations are some of the worst climate criminals" in the world and that "we have the right and the obligation to take them back, dismantle them and send its managers to rehabilitation training" tells me exactly what their real agenda is.

214 eastvillageinfidel  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:57:13pm

#198 Bordm

Oh Lordy, I'd end up buying that b!@ch a villa on the French Riviera with this habit !

215 Midas Mulligan  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:58:21pm

Links to reviews of the Great Global Warming Swindle -- one positive and one negative -- are here

216 Max DarkSide  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:59:00pm

Ha! The clip of Al Gore's presentation in this video is where I realized this CO2 causes temperature increases it patently false. I analyze data every day as a professional. The time lead and lag between data series is an important factor studied for determining and eliminating causal relationships. When I saw Al Gore's own chart of CO2 and temperature, it was immediately obvious to me that temperature *leads* increases in CO2 and thuse CO2 cannot cause these macro temperature increases. It is not possible for something later to cause something earlier. It is good that this video points that out.

217 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 7:59:37pm

201 Highrise

Dear Al Gore,

I'll shut up, but you have to go first.

Sharmuta

P.S. Kiss my a**

/P.P.S. But not Highrise's- she's anal like that

218 Irene NYC  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:01:27pm

Hey eastvillageinfidel

We're 9th (A and 1). What's your approximate GPS?

219 jclenman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:01:34pm

Is there anywhere I can download this documentary? I want to burn it on CD and send it to everyone I know! Help anyone?

220 carridine  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:04:42pm

AW-Right! My first uTorrent experience, and an EXCELLENT movie!

I won't begin to quote the great lines in it, but it does a GREAT job stripping away the lies, disinformation and hype from this "re-vitalized communists & anti-capitalists" of the world!


"Africans MUST use solar & wind..."

Oh, REALLY?

221 lostlakehiker  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:05:03pm

Just because a moonbat says something doesn't mean he's wrong. He may be right by accident. He may be right because even a stopped clock is right occasionally. And he may be right because he's thought it through and he sees the logic. Moonbats aren't retarded. They just shut their brains down when some topics come up.

Global warming alarmists have concocted fairy tales of cataclsysm right around the corner. But this show asserting that CO2 cannot drive climate change because it never did before---well, so what? We never had a species that had the ability to do what we are now doing to CO2 levels. It's a new situation. Geology isn't going to give us all the answers.

Geology from the very distant past has this problem: the sun is getting hotter. Not on any timescale of a million years this way or that, but over billions, it's getting brighter.

There's feedback loops. When it gets warmer, for whatever natural reason, weathering becomes more intense. Carbon gets captured from CO2 in the air and deposited in, say, limestone. Or seashells.

Volcanic belches have all sorts of side effects besides putting out CO2. There's sulfur, particulates, etc. These could mask or overwhelm the effect of the added CO2.

So when we put a lot of CO2 in the air, and quickly, and when the physics guys tell us that the extra CO2 absorbs infrared, thus adding to the greenhouse effect nature provides, it behooves us to consider the possibility that the real warming we're seeing may have had, as a contributing factor, this extra CO2. Why not?

It is a serious error for lizards to scoff too confidently at global warming. Scoff at the hype, that's fine. But to scoff at the whole thing could be to discredit one's standing on issues nearer and dearer. What if those other guys are right about this one thing? What if they can prove it? A lot of people will conclude that we're wrong about everything, even about the things where we have the proof.

222 pat  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:05:05pm

#217 Sharmuta
LOl, Nite, back to my improbable SciFi Flick.

223 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:05:23pm

217 Sharmuta

LMAO

224 gymnast  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:05:59pm

Does anyone doubt that the new red is green?

225 victor_yugo  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:06:07pm

#206 29Victor:

I'm with you on everything except the GM stuff. Genes and chromosomes have interactions that we're still discovering; using our feeble knowledge as the basis of tinkering, to me, reeks of hubris.

Besides, didn't Hillary say we shouldn't tinker with God's creation?

226 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:06:33pm

The "coming ice age" hysteria hit its peak in the 70's and died in the 80's after temperatures stopped falling and began rising. The crowd is usually unanimously wrong at turning points, so I'll hazard a guess that we're already back into a cycle of falling temperatures and these global warming alarmists will quietly be slipping away.

227 carridine  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:07:40pm

#219 jclenman: The instructions are in the posts here; its a two-part effort, download the uTorrent exe & install it (2 minutes) then Start the Torrent Download (about 120 minutes on a cable, its 630 MB)

228 Adolf Fiinkensein  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:08:36pm

New Zealand's focus group / opinion poll driven socialist Prime Minister declared her vision for NZ was for the country to be 'carbon neutral.' (Of course, she thinks the sun shines out of ALGorithm's backside and in fact the Bilious Bitch declared publicly she thought he would have been a better President than G W Bush.)
This doco is the first piece of rational rebuttal of the garbage propaganda with which we have been deluged by the Gorebull Warmists and there media stooges. Well done Channel 4. Let there be much more. Thanks LGF.

229 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:09:00pm

221 lostlakehiker

If you wish to stay awake at night wondering if any fart you release is wruining the environment, be my guest.

I won't. I'm tired of every holiday being attacked by the same people, that my diet is not being attacked by the same people...(I must go vegan now..good god), that now I have to change my lights out to god forbid fluorescent and I'm being made to feel guilty about getting into my car and drive to get food that I can barely afford.

By my even existing I have to now defend it.

I have better things to do than worry about the people who have already cried wolf 3 times plus. I don't trust them..not yesterday, not today, and most assuredly NOT tomorrow.

230 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:10:04pm

The World at Night

There is no irony in calling Africa the Dark Continent.

231 red satellite  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:10:24pm

Timing is everything....here is CCN rolling out the Global Swindle tonight.

232 victor_yugo  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:10:59pm

#221 lostlakehiker:

He may be right because even a stopped clock is right occasionally.

A stopped clock shows the right time twice a day. It's still useless as a timepice.

Even if these creation-worshipping moonbats were to tell me George W. Bush is a heterosexual, I would want corroborating evidence.

233 Flying Dutchman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:11:17pm

Buried !

We where on top of the most popular upcoming stories, nevertheless the bury brigade sent us in the black hole ...

Another one to the video in upcoming, DIGG IT !

[Link: digg.com...]

234 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:11:21pm

lostlakehiker (#221),

You didn't watch the documentary did you?

235 SaneInMN  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:11:26pm

206 29Victor...

Silent Spring has doomed 10's of millions of people to a slow, agonizing death from malaria.

This site reason.com/rb/rb061202.shtml refers to Rachel Carson's movie as an "anti-chemical landmark". Allow yourself a moment to absorb that bit of stupidity....

236 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:12:14pm

#224 gymnast

Does anyone doubt that the new red is green?

The green movement has always had red roots.

237 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:13:56pm

233 Flying Dutchman

done

238 Pro-Bush Canuck  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:14:24pm

#221 lostlakehiker 3

It is a serious error for lizards to scoff too confidently at global warming.

Global Warming is a leftist project. Leftists cannot tell the truth. They literally are unable to do anything but lie. That's what leftism IS -- a denial of Truth in the most profound sense.

If you haven't figured this out by now then you have a lot more to worry about than CO2 levels.

239 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:16:18pm

221 lostlakehiker

Where can I sign your Ban the Ocean petition?

240 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:17:36pm

LOL

241 carridine  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:19:17pm

#229 Highrise:

I'm being made to feel guilty about getting into my car and drive to get food that I can barely afford

THAT is the main driver for this: evoke GUILT in otherwise rational people, and then MANIPULATE THEIR GUILT to meet your anti-rational, anti-capitalist, anti-American AGENDA!

242 Europhobe  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:19:27pm

Thank you Charles. I was looking forward to seeing that .

243 Flying Dutchman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:19:42pm

Follow up to my post #212

Just finished the download of the high quality AVI file

Quality is perfect as was download speed ! Go and get it here (575 Mb) !

244 meMarc  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:20:12pm

#239

What about the whales?

245 carridine  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:22:28pm

#243 Dutchman:
THANKS for the Link, Dewd! :D

246 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:23:07pm

241 carridine 3/10/2007 10:19PM PST


THAT is the main driver for this: evoke GUILT in otherwise rational people, and then MANIPULATE THEIR GUILT to meet your anti-rational, anti-capitalist, anti-American AGENDA!


Sounds like you may have come from the same school of hard knocks on this guilt issue that I did.

Some people really have no clue how to see how guilt is so manipulative. It's why I call bullcrap when I see it..along with people who say you MUST be agreeable. Those are the types to watch out for....esp the ones who think they can school you lol.

247 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:24:59pm

#221 lostlakehiker

Excellent post.

A toast to autonomous thinking.

I am agnostic on this.

I see knees jerking all over the place on this issue.

Politicization of the issue makes it difficult to comb through the bare facts.

248 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:25:08pm

244 meMarc

Whales? Who gives a sh*t about whales anymore? Didn't you get the meme? It's the Polar Bears, man!

249 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:26:45pm

247 luzbone

Same question to you that Geepers asked at #234.

250 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:26:51pm

#244 meMarc

Kirk and Spock will transport them to their home planet.

/Well that movie was as true as Al's movie.

251 m  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:27:06pm

Wow. That was cool. Thanks Charles! (and a digger who isn't registered asked that we convey their thanks as well).

252 Flying Dutchman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:27:32pm

Bed time here, the birds are already singing ...

Good night all !

253 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:28:39pm

#221, lostlakehiker

But this show asserting that CO2 cannot drive climate change because it never did before---well, so what? We never had a species that had the ability to do what we are now doing to CO2 levels. It's a new situation. Geology isn't going to give us all the answers.

The fallacy in that argument is that "anthropogenic" CO2 and "natural" CO2 are the same substance. If we have evidence for non-anthropogenic levels of CO2 being higher than today's at points in the geologic past, nature has in effect already conducted the experiment called "what if atmospheric CO2 concentrations rise beyond what they are today".

Now you might argue that, well, solar activity was different then too, so we can't directly compare the effect our anthropogenic CO2 will have on the climate today with what the situation was in the geologic past when non-anthropogenic CO2 was higher.

But one thing we can state with certainty is that whatever climatic changes presumably resulted from those changing levels at those times, whether ice ages or warmer periods, life on Earth seems to have survived. (Life even managed to survive some far worse shocks, like the Cretaceous-Tertiary transition, though the dinosaurs didn't fare too well...)

254 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:28:41pm

Guilt is a wasted emotion

255 Irene NYC  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:30:06pm

#229 highrise


now I have to change my lights out to god forbid fluorescent

They've just made a major breakthrough on incandescent lightbulg energy efficiency - I'm sure GE will bring them to market soon. In September GE is introducing fluorescent bulbs that can be dimmed.

256 zombie  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:31:05pm
#27 Beagle
It's the Piltdown Man of the 21st Century

And the forest echoed with laughter.

PERFECT analogy. Perfect and hilarious.

257 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:32:46pm

254 Jewels (AKA Julian) 3/10/2007 10:28PM PST

Guilt is a wasted emotion

Agreed..and the people who do it are lame.

258 adela  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:33:08pm

Millions of copies of this program should be made and mailed to the idiots in Hollywood,in the government and in the media.

259 jwbaumann  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:34:07pm

Liberals, commies, and moonbats - horrified at climate change, actively working at culture change (gay marriage, multiculturalism, Islam, etc.).

It's a self absorbed agenda issue, pure and simple, just like asbestos. A huge infrastructure on which thousands and thousands of jobs come to depend, using pseudomoralistic reasoning ("it's for the children") to perpetuate itself.

These damn commie pinko liberals are the same ones who complained that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission was inherently biased for nuclear energy because without nuclear power, its raison d'être would evaporate. The IPCC is equally biased.

In my near half century of paying attention, I have determined that the sole reliable source for good information about how to live one's life and view the world is the holy Christian Bible.

A challenge to all - can anyone point out specific bad advice in the New Testament?

260 meMarc  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:34:34pm

#248 Sharmuta

Where were you? Polar Bears are safe.
Somebody posted this link earlier:
[Link: thescotsman.scotsman.com...]

261 Flying Dutchman  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:35:52pm
262 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:36:37pm

#249 Sharmuta

I intend to watch the movie. I look forward to it. I also intend to watch Gore's movie.

I also intend to read the numerous links that I have bookmarked. I just haven't had time to focus on it.

I have read some articles already. It is hard to find information that doesn't come with an axe (to grind). Both views. Both credible.

Bare facts is where I am at. I am not interested in the meme thing or the media manipulation or the political maneuvering aspect of this issue although that can be interesting to observe.

263 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:37:33pm
In September GE is introducing fluorescent bulbs that can be dimmed.

GEEPERS- They're at it again!

264 zombie  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:37:38pm
#49 starbird
27 Beagle: The Piltdown Man of the 21st Century!

That's the best, most succinct description of the global warming scam I've ever read! Thank you for that - I'll use it often.

Looks like the Beagle fan club keeps growing and growing.

Can I be the Treasurer?

265 eastvillageinfidel  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:38:19pm

#218 Irene NYC

Eek! A bit scared to disclose . Will about 4 blocks SW do? I looked at an apt on your block 2 years ago. We could have been right next door :)

266 Irene NYC  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:38:53pm

#261 Flying Dutchman

But what will happen to Airbus if the Germans stop flying? LOL!

;)

267 Live4Truth  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:39:07pm

Awesome video. Nearly brings a tear to my eye, as my LGF handle implies.

268 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:39:20pm

flying dutchman.

UNbelievable.

al gore is flying around everywhere and living large..hardly caring about his so called carbon footprint...and lookie there what he has sparked. Anyone else see the irony of his years in office and not a mention of this? I'd love to know how his 30 years of work on this came to fruition. Anyone else see the irony of his carbon footprint being bought off?

269 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:40:19pm

262 luzbone

I intend to watch the movie.

Maybe you should do that now, before making another comment that will make you a target for ridicule on this thread.

/Not trying to be rude, just sayin'

270 Irene NYC  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:40:55pm

#265 eastvillageinfidel

Of course that'll do! Just wanted to say, "Howdy neighbor!"

;)

271 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:41:03pm

#221 lostlakehiker

It's not the idea of global warming that I have an issue with. It's the concept that man has anything to do with it, that I have issues with. It reminds me of the joke about the ant raping the elephant; while the ant is having its way, the elephant bumps its head on a branch and roars in pain. The ant hollers "suffer bitch". The left is under the impression that any effect man (ant) has on the earth (elephant) has to be the cause the warming (pain).

272 CowardKerry  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:41:48pm

Watched the whole thing, swindle is right, they are going to use this ruse to tax us even more. They already have consumption taxes in place. The idots on the left don't even know when they are getting f'ed.

273 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:43:27pm

Sharmuta (#263),

Evil capitalists, trying to make our lives better.

It would save the planet if we we forgo incandescent and florescent lighting and start using pitch soaked torches like they did before global warming.

274 Irene NYC  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:44:03pm

#268 Highrise

Anyone else see the irony of his carbon footprint being bought off?

I don't know that what Al Gore is doing qualifies as ironic. Hypocritical, yes.

275 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:45:08pm

#251 m

Nighttime? That one has much lizard Fu!

276 JonathanD  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:45:39pm

The google video version seems to load faster than the one on this page. Very good.

277 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:47:34pm

Berserk house cat sends Idaho woman to hospital with more than 20 bite wounds

The cat, a black and white domestic male, went on the rampage Wednesday when a neighbour showed up at the door with a different cat, mistakenly thinking it belonged to the woman.

/the reincarnation of Pinky!

278 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:47:38pm

my house is partial florescents and mostly incandescents.

The florescent room loses..hands down.

I rent so I didn't pick my lighting.......just saying that incandescents are my preferred and if that leaves a carbon footprint..OOPS!

279 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:48:14pm

Irene NYC (#266),

But what will happen to Airbus if the Germans stop flying?

Same thing that's happening to it now, (it's going down the tubes) only faster.

While the composite Boeing Dreamliner is boasting a 20% increase in fuel efficiency.

280 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:48:23pm

#269 Sharmuta

LOL.

The last thing that I am worried about is being a target of ridicule!

Charles has been letting me post on LGF for a few years now without enforcing the "must-read-the-entire-article-before-posting" bylaw on me.

The last person that said that I made a foolish comment was forced by Charles to say humiliating things about himself for several days on a number of threads.

Don't let this happen to you.

Good night all.

281 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:49:53pm

273 Geepers


It would save the planet if we we forgo incandescent and florescent lighting and start using pitch soaked torches like they did before global warming.

If we could just get that f@&*#$& LGF shut down all those reichwingnut-envirorapists wouldn't be using their f@&*#$& computers so much!

/koskiddie

282 jdun  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:50:19pm

I think everyone should spread the words out on this video via message boards.

283 Irene NYC  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:50:39pm

#279 Geepers
And isn't the Dreamliner about 20% cheaper too?

284 livinginfrance  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:52:14pm

Here's the seed if you want it in .avi [Link: www.mininova.org...]
cheers

285 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:52:25pm

One more thing from the Great Onion.

286 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:53:02pm

#243, Flying Dutchman

Ironic, isn't it, that the Internet which Al Gore proudly claimed credit for having taken the initiative to help create can be used to allow folks from around the world to download, share and watch a TV programme not necessarily available in their own countries that is so critical of Gore's pet cause?

287 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:53:14pm

#273 Geepers

You forgot to mention the whale oil lamps. :-)

288 alone in 90210  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:53:28pm

Thanks, Charles, for an interesting topic. These scientists have been trying to be heard and finally a small voice against a torrent of propaganda. And thanks for letting me register. Goodnight all.

289 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:54:40pm

CowardKerry (#272),

Watched the whole thing, swindle is right, they are going to use this ruse to tax us even more.

Already happening:

Plane stupid

With all the political skills of a herd of lemmings going for a Sunday stroll over a cliff, the Conservative Party is about to unveil a raft of new "environmental" taxes on aviation, aimed specifically at "frequent flyers".

Measures under consideration include levying VAT or fuel duty - or both together - on domestic flights. They also include scrapping air passenger duty and replacing it with a new "per flight" tax based more closely on a flight's carbon emissions.

Making the new Boeing even more desirable over Airbus. Thanks EU.

290 CowardKerry  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:55:42pm

If the neanderthals did not cause global warming the first time with their campfires, we would be ass deep in ice right now./////////

Only the Goron could champion such blatant bullshit. Its scary to see how many gullible fools take this man made warming pap hook, line and sinker.

291 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:58:00pm

#278 Highrise

I read a lot, if I can't read in natural light I prefer incandescent. Florescent sucks to read by, especially for long periods of time.

292 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:58:50pm

Irene NYC (#238),

Don't know the cost comparisons exactly. They have sold 500, so mass would tend to drive the cost down.

293 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 8:59:55pm

280 luzbone

Charles has been letting me post on LGF for a few years now without enforcing the "must-read-the-entire-article-before-po sting" bylaw on me.

Isn't Charles nice like that? See- I try to read/watch so I know what I'm talking about, but that's just me.

P.S.

Registered lizardoid since: Jan 21, 2007

294 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:00:28pm

#274 Irene NYC 3/10/2007 10:44PM PST

Hypocritical, yes.

Yes I would agree with that word instead.

Why people think al gore has any credibility is beyond me.

Atleast some of the more naturalists I know..actually LIVE the life and do go through a lot of trouble to live naturally. I have much respect for them even though I don't change my life because fo them...NONE of them btw wish to change my life..they do it for them and them only. But I couldn't stop laughing literally when I found out al gore was enrolled into paying off his carbon footprint and still biting into hotdogs.

295 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:01:04pm

293 Sharmuta

ROFL

296 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:01:57pm

Bordm (#283),

You forgot to mention the whale oil lamps.

Damn you Greenpeace for causing global warming with your anti whaling efforts.

297 david e  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:02:04pm

German's should curb travel for gloabal warming reasons. What a joke, go to Utah, it is overrun by Geramn tourests. We are the cheap tourest destination and sucking the German economy dry. Suck harder please.

298 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:03:58pm

#280 luzbone

Charles has been letting me post on LGF for a few years now without enforcing the "must-read-the-entire-article-before-po sting" bylaw on me.

luzbone
Registered lizardoid since: Jan 21, 2007 at 7:20 pm

Ooookaaay future boy, neat trick.

/not

299 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:04:03pm

#293 Sharmuta

P.S.

zenbone
300 shmuli  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:04:33pm

#247 Luzbone

OK, the facts are:

CO2 is good for all plant life. It causes faster growth, more drought-resistant vegetation and higher yields. It is another name for airborne fertilizer. Remember the carbon cycle?

There is no evidence for CO2 being the CAUSE of the recent warming trend (for the past 150+ years). Just NONE.

The climate models cannot even match HISTORY. That is right, they cannot even predict the past. If you model cannot match KNOWN data, what the heck value is it?

The GREEN industry is exactly that - an industry, with lots of people dependent on its continued existence.

The media has to sell advertising to pay its salaries. Consequently, their jobs are dependent on your excitement, especially the "free" media like TV, Internet and radio. Next, they will make money attacking the same global warming cause they supported, because it will SELL. The evidence is this show on which we are commenting.

If you believe ANYTHING that AL GORE thinks or says, you are woefully misinformed (see his silly book "Earth in the Balance" for evidence). Geez, Hollywood in on the GREEN bandwagon. 'Nuff said.

GREEN is a religious movement. It is no more than paganism dressed up in a pseudo-science format. You think it is a coincidence that Earth Day is Lenin's Birthday? Environmentalism is just Socialism with a GREEN flag.

Learn about this stuff. It is not hard. You can search the information anywhere on the 'net. Get off the fence and do a little work and you will find the facts for yourself.

301 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:04:58pm

#298 Bordm

zenbone

302 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:06:09pm

luzbone

We don't get your point except you say you are an agnostic on this.

Anything else we missing here?

303 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:06:11pm

299 luzbone

Thanks.

304 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:08:31pm

#293 Sharmuta

The problem with being on dialup, is someone usually beats me to the punch.

/shrug

305 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:09:13pm

#300 shmuli

Now that is an intelligent post. And I appreciate the rebuke (regarding getting off the fence).

Pay attention class. This is how you respond to a post like mine, not by trying to "out me" by looking up my newer nic's history.

306 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:10:55pm

304 Bordm

The problem with being on dialup, is someone usually beats me to the punch.

Just chalk it up as great minds thinking alike, and fact checking asses.

307 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:11:34pm

305 luzbone 3/10/2007 11:09PM PST

This is how you respond to a post like mine, not by trying to "out me" by looking up my newer nic's history.

I'd say it's a bit misleading to use two differnet nics and claim something with one when it isn't supporting of what you wrote.

Kinda not fair to say you were being *outed*. You stated something on this nic. If you had written with zenbone, it would have been different.

308 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:12:38pm

305 luzbone

You outted yourself.

And I asked if you watched, because after you do, you won't bother with al gore's, m'kay?

309 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:13:10pm

#302 Highrise

We don't get your point except you say you are an agnostic on this.

Anything else we missing here?

You are missing the word "are" in your second sentence.

I like your use of the word "we".

310 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:14:03pm

#301 luzbone

dang nic swappers. :-)

311 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:15:06pm

France is saved!

France's President Chirac to announce retirement

Mar 11 12:34 AM US/Eastern

French President Jacques Chirac was expected to announce Sunday that he will not stand as a candidate in next month's elections, confirming that he plans to retire in May after more than 40 years in politics.

The 74 year-old leader, who has been in office since 1995, was scheduled to make an evening message to the nation to be broadcast at 8 pm (1900 GMT) on radio and television.

The content was being kept secret by the Elysee palace, but the near universal consensus was that the president will say he will not seek an unprecedented third mandate.

With official nominations for the race due by next Friday, Chirac has kept open till the last moment the option of running again -- despite polls that show he would have no chance of winning again.

But in recent weeks he has given several hints that he intends to step down, telling a television interviewer last month that "there is life after politics" and that he hopes to serve France "in another capacity"

Oh, I'll bet he does...

312 siiras  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:16:09pm

Yes, environmentalists are racists and genocidists though none but their hard-core marxist leaders mean to be. (Marxists brush off the over 80 million killed in the past century on the altar of communism as justified on the way to "paradise on earth" so they have very high tolerance for human deaths).

Environmentalists who were inspired on the basis of Rachel Carson and junk science to avoid some theoretic harm to birds are directly responsible for the excess malarial deaths in Africa due to banning of DDT that has only now after decades been reversed by WHO (World Health Organization of the UN). These unnecessary deaths number around five million! It was a second (black) holocaust.

313 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:16:10pm

luzbone (#309),

You convinced me.

Global warming is man made.

314 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:16:47pm

It's the Sun, son.

Just say no to solar warming denial.

315 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:16:55pm

#308 Sharmuta

The "outing" was to do with your "DISCOVERY" that my new nic is "Registered lizardoid since: Jan 21, 2007".

Good night. This thread no fun. Me go to sleep.

316 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:18:39pm

308 Sharmuta 3/10/2007 11:12PM PST

305 luzbone

You outted yourself.

I think it's pretty disingenuous to use two different nics..and then say that someone outted you like they did something wrong to prove an inconsistency in what was said on one nic.

Atleast come out and say..oops sorry I should have said I was also so and so...

Pretty misleading.

317 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:18:58pm

#313 Geepers

This is global swarming. Good night.

I mean it this time. (LGF can be addictive)

318 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:19:47pm

315 luzbone

It's public information. Did I need a warrant to click your football? It was your statement that caused me to look, so excuse me, please.

319 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:20:26pm

Wait till BabbaZee sees this BS. in the morning.

320 shug  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:20:52pm

Folks,
Eat your vegetables. Take your vitamins. Watch those trans fats. get plenty of exercise.

We need to live long enough to see global cooling return and see these fools proven wrong

321 easy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:23:07pm

They won't be happy until we are all digging in the dirt for a living.

322 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:24:16pm

316 Highrise

I think it's more important that luzbone watch this before agreeing with another poster telling us we're out of line. Maybe then this wouldn't have happened at all. Either way- not really my fault.

323 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:25:48pm

Folks,
Eat your vegetables. Take your vitamins. Watch those trans fats. get plenty of exercise.

Those things all cause cancer. I read it somewhere.

Actually, the trans-fat panic reminds me a little of the global-warming one.

324 TANSTAAFL  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:25:50pm

Who is BabbaZee?

325 ContraJihadi  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:26:31pm

Thank you, Charles, for making this video available. So much of this global warming scam is outrageous, but the saddest part is how those poor people in Africa must suffer for this newest iteration of left wing power-grabbing*. But will Al Gore give up his mansion and his limousine while that woman's baby continues to choke over the primitive fire? Unlikely.
_________
*Although it is ironic that Maggie, so right (in both senses of the word) about so many things, contributed to the alarm.

326 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:26:34pm

319 luzbone

Wait till BabbaZee sees this BS. in the morning.

Now it's BS for me to ask if you watched a link Charles provided and your response outs yourself?!?!

Sorry!

327 eastvillageinfidel  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:27:28pm

I think the willingness of these people to embrace this crap without question shows the depth of their self-loathing. Not only are greedy capitalist warmongers murdering and starving the poor, we are ALL destroying the earth. The very earth, people. Everyone must be punished by giving up their gas guzzling, fume belching tools of the oppressor. It's rather grandiose.

328 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:27:45pm

322 Sharmuta

NO it's not your fault.

Playing with different nics then blaming others for *outing* them is really ....well childish.

And then threatening with charles and babbazee...you know..it's even double childish.

I say own up to what all nics you post under..for god's sake. I realize there might be a reason you have a new nic..but atleast admit it and that maybe you should have stated it was YOUR bad..not it was someone else's fault for outing your inconsistencies and how dare they question. WTF is that all about and when did a regular poster here just get a pass for stating whatever they wanted without being commented on.

329 attaboid  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:29:33pm

Just popped a Centrum Forte!

330 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:30:54pm

OT
A video specially for Jewels, but also for all lizards to enjoy lol.

331 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:30:57pm

#316 Highrise

I apologize if I have mislead anybody on the Little Green Footballs Weblog by using two nics. Actually I am not really using two nics, I simply registered a new one and am using that one exclusively. Nevertheless my conduct is, and has been, reckless and maybe even wicked.

I have been very misleading in many ways and I regret any harm or suffering that I may have caused.

I realize that it may take some time, months or maybe even years, to regain your trust, but by gosh that is going to be job number one for me from now on.

I wish everyone the very best and I will be more diligent in my posting in the future. I will read every article or watch every video or listen to every audio before I will post in any thread.

I cannot begin to express the deep remorse that I feel right now. I am deeply, deeply sorry.

332 christheprofessor  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:31:15pm

Highrise

Seriuosly.... Be a man...

333 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:32:23pm

ctp grow up..don't carry grudges over from other threads.

334 spynverzyon  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:32:44pm

#221 lostlakehiker:

What if those other guys are right about this one thing? What if they can prove it?

Get a grip. If the moonbat school of data analysis (correlation equals causation, regardless of the timing, as long as it advances your agenda) can prove their anthropogenic warming theory, it also implies that human CO2 emissions actually cause sunspot cycles. So...that might be right, too?

Seriously, though, nobody's advocating simply "scoffing" at their claims - tempting as that may be, given how preposterous they are. The value of this documentary is that it dissects every fiber of the Goracle's Prophecy using sharp tools powered by masses of evidence. You should watch it.

With the "science" thoroughly debunked, the key point is this: the global warming agenda is the second coming of centrally planned state socialism, dressed up this time as the Jolly Green Giant. The moonbats' whole goal is to get control of and dismantle the capitalist institutions they so fervently hate - and what better way than to control the energy supply that drives industrial production?

Speculate all you want about feedback loops, seashells, and infrared absorption. Then weigh that against what we do know: the experiments in state socialism that dominated the eastern hemisphere for most of the 20th Century produced murderous brutality, economic hardship, and - yes - environmental destruction on a scale never previously imaginable in human history. Human suffering arises not from offenses against the planet, but from submission to the kind of human bondage that snuffs the productive spark.

335 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:34:32pm

328 Highrise

I realize there might be a reason you have a new nic..but atleast admit it and that maybe you should have stated it was YOUR bad..not it was someone else's fault for outing your inconsistencies and how dare they question.

Yes- luzbone might have reasons for the new nic, but to go on to state something like that, and get mad at me for it?

luzbone- I'm sorry for the outing, but you shouldn't have said that! I'm sorry, but I think it's on you and not me. And I also wasn't the only one to look, BTW!

336 attaboid  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:35:30pm

The Goracle is the Jolly Green Giant? LOL

337 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:36:09pm

335 Sharmuta

He's out of line, sharmuta. It's manipulative. pure and simple.

If he truly was a man, he'd have said oops..I am also such and such..sorry for misleading and that would have ended everything.

338 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:36:09pm

Someone really needs to get over themselves.

339 docweasel  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:37:44pm

It sorta makes me angry more high-profile scientists aren't screaming about this, especially from the point of view we are killing Africans and other 3rd worlders who can't use electric lights, refrigeration or hot water while Laurie David flies around in a jet telling us how evil they are to burn coal and oil. Where is Steven Hawking and other very prominent scientists whom the media loves and to whom the common man will listen, even if its not their field, many who have zero connexion with the field are speaking out FOR global warmage hysteria, how about some high profile people talking some sense of proportion.

This article is also very good, interview with a prominent atmospheric physicist. He pretty much says its complete junk science and that its not only up in the air as to whether or not its true, its complete bullshit, there's absolutely zero evidence or data supporting warmage- its all based on what MIGHT happen, and the models making that prediction are flawed and contractitory and about as useful as tea leaves at real prediction.
[Link: www.pbs.org...]

340 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:38:14pm

331 luzbone

I don't care if you read/watch the links or not. Honestly, I was trying to be helpful by suggesting you watch it, because the posters who have seem to think it's good, and blows the global warming argument out of the CO2 producing water.

341 attaboid  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:38:30pm

Omne padme omm... zen

342 christheprofessor  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:38:37pm

highrise -- I wasn't on another thread before this....

WTF are talking about?

343 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:40:19pm

It's interesting to imagine how history will regard this. Gore must genuinely hope nobody will be around to find out. Will he end up like Wilhelm Reich with Orgonomy? Right now a lot of people take him seriously, but for how long?

344 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:41:06pm

#335 Sharmuta

I will also undertake to find a therapist to pursue anger management. (I have such a problem with anger that I wasn't aware that I mad at you. That is how sick I am.)

You are absolutely right. Everything is on me and not you.

I am a scoundrel, a scallywag.

345 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:41:30pm

342 christheprofessor

Don't play coy.

And you exactly know what thread I'm talking about.

346 Geepers  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:41:45pm

And it's getting late, (especially with that daylight savings time thing, which is probably exacerbating global warming with even more daylight,) so time for me to mix out.

'Night all.

347 christheprofessor  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:41:51pm

#342 hirise

Yes, I was...m (my bad...)

348 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:42:27pm

#341 attaboid

Namaste.

349 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:43:26pm

344 luzbone

classic.....just classic.

350 MigueldowninMexico  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:43:31pm

Night Geepers, take care ;)

351 attaboid  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:43:59pm

Namaste.

352 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:44:35pm

#347 christheprofessor

You are a very bad man! You must make amends.

353 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:46:14pm

#352 luzbone

as disingenuous of yourself? please no!

/snicker

354 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:46:54pm

344 luzbone

I've said sorry a couple times now, and you want to continue to make posts like that to me- fine.

Are you going to accept my apology or not?

355 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:47:38pm

#349 Highrise

You mean "classic" as in Marx Brothers anarchic dialogue or "classic" as in DSM-4?

356 flyover_templar  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:48:28pm

Noam:

Agreed with your comments about MN.

I was sitting sipping a manhatten last night, flipping between the Gopher game and state high school hockey tourney, had a roaring (yes, woodburning) fire, and a marvelous view overlooking the frozen lake. Nothing like letting wine chill on the back step in the snow.

Life is indeed wonderful. 4 perfect seasons. I hope we get over this pollution nonsense so I can once again burn leaves [legally] in the fall. It's the most beatiful scent in the world on a nice crisp fall day.

Don't forget we have one more good snowfall left.

Back on topic:
I keep having nightmares about mandatory buttplugs for methane reduction, and soilent green diets as all meat products have been banned. Does anyone know if soilent green is halal?

/peace through superior firepower

357 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:49:11pm

you can interpret it to however you want..

zenbone, mybone, whateverbone you decide to register under again.

I just wish you'd be a man and just own up to it and not shove the guilt onto someone else for so called outting you.

What a baby you are in this thread...it's actually quite wierd.

If I made another nic and someone saw I made an inconsistency, I'd atleast not blame them for figuring it out lol.

358 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:49:53pm

#354 Sharmuta

I am sorry that you are sorry.

359 christheprofessor  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:50:28pm

luzbone

On a normal night, perhaps...

I'm out for the night... You folks have a wonderful evening...

360 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:51:01pm

sharmuta..sometimes a prick is just a prick.

361 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:51:30pm

339 docweasel

Where is Steven Hawking and other very prominent scientists

Remember- one of those gentlemen said he was getting death threats, and most of them were saying that they are shunned. Bear in mind, the msm isn't interested in what they have to say- at least they won't be until 10 years from now when New York isn't under water and one reporter might try to figure out why.

362 TANSTAAFL  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:52:05pm

No one answered me. So BabbaZee is either Charles or a moderator?

363 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:53:15pm

362 TANSTAAFL

It's a regular poster.

364 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:54:01pm

362 TANSTAAFL

She's another poster (she has her own fatwa!)

365 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:54:30pm

#362 TANSTAAFL

BabbaZee is the raging spleen of Zion.

That is all you need to know right now.

366 christheprofessor  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:55:07pm

Highrise

You are correct -- we were on the "Other'' thread (not worth fighting my Spam fitler)....

So, do you want to keep going at it or what?

367 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:56:25pm

Um, lots of Lizards have more than one nic.

/some even collect 'em like baseball cards

368 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:57:04pm

Personally- I'm going back to discussing the topic:

Climate Change is all my fault.

369 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:57:07pm

366 christheprofessor

Your the one deciding to keep it going. This is in print now lol and on record.

I've moved on.

You can do whatever you want...I consider it a bit wierd if you keep it going past the last thread and then interject it into this thread without provocation.

Suit yourself. A trail is obvious.

370 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:58:07pm

#367 Killian Bundy 3/10/2007 11:56PM PST

Um, lots of Lizards have more than one nic.

/some even collect 'em like baseball cards


Yes, but manipulating and blaming and carrying on for post after post..is a bit weird..no?

371 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 9:58:22pm

I think that Sharmuta and Highrise brought out my inner troll.

I didn't intend to be a troll on this thread but now I have a glimmer of the sick pleasure that a troll can have.

Yuck.

372 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:01:05pm

371 luzbone 3/10/2007 11:58PM PST

I think that Sharmuta and Highrise brought
out my inner troll.

Well ok, now we are getting somewhere.

373 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:01:07pm
#370 Highrise

Yes, but manipulating and blaming and carrying on for post after post..is a bit weird..no?

I must have missed that part, was it on this thread?

/hey, WHO JUST STOLE MY HOUR?

374 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:01:09pm

343 Salem

It's interesting to imagine how history will regard this. Gore must genuinely hope nobody will be around to find out. Will he end up like Wilhelm Reich with Orgonomy? Right now a lot of people take him seriously, but for how long?

10 to 20 years. They better hope the islamists kill us all, because in 10 to 20 years, we will remember.

375 TANSTAAFL  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:01:24pm
She's another poster (she has her own fatwa!)

Seemed like a threat above, and one about someone who could actually do something about it. Thanks for the info.

376 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:01:45pm

Well, there's probably been enough said about how ridiculous Gore and global warming is. I referred to it as the "global warming cult" at least ten years ago, back in the usenet days, on alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater. Wish I could prove it somehow. Actually, I remember being shown a few environmentalist-scare films back in grade school, so I've always cast sort of a cynical eye toward that stuff. Sandwich-board-wearing doomsday kooks are just part of the backdrop of human societies. "Repent or be doomed" really means "I'm lost and need validation. Share my wretchedness".

377 racecardriver  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:02:23pm

i actually think they were right the first time when they thought we're headed for an ice age. I think this warming will reverse and in my lifetime we'll be having much colder temps. I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

378 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:03:04pm

373 Killian Bundy

/hey, WHO JUST STOLE MY HOUR?

LOL! The Goracle.

379 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:03:09pm

373 Killian Bundy 3/11/2007 12:01AM PST


I must have missed that part, was it on this thread?


K no more drinking for you..whatever it is lol.

380 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:04:30pm

#375 TANSTAAFL

It was definitely not a threat. Just a stupid inside joke that I made.

381 christheprofessor  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:04:47pm

highrise

Me, or you?

382 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:05:23pm

I didn't intend to be a troll on this thread

Gosh, I find myself thinking that from time to time.

but now I have a glimmer of the sick pleasure that a troll can have.

Okay, now that I can't relate to. But I'm not judging!

383 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:05:26pm

375 TANSTAAFL

Charles is the only one with any authority around here. Anyone can complain, but it's ultimately his call.

384 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:06:05pm
#379 Highrise

K no more drinking for you..whatever it is lol.

No seriously, was there some kind of controversy? I didn't see it.

/give me the starting comment #

385 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:06:57pm

hehe.

386 christheprofessor  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:07:48pm

Highrise

I'm out -- you all have a woderful evening....

387 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:09:16pm

There are 3 things going on here...I can't figure out which one is more funny.

* the person who wishes to become a stalker and interject controversy in ever thread since he's not getting the proper attention (a wierdo for sure)

* the person who really doesn't see what it going on (probably the most innocent)

* the person who thinks trolling temporarily is fun (which I'm finding kinda fun now)

388 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:09:20pm

Killian Bundy

Start at #221 for full context.

389 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:09:57pm

#382 Salem

Just a glimmer mind you. I think that one can acquire a taste for some pretty strange things.

And some people just like trolling. And some people like feeding the trolls.

I think the best trolls are the passive aggressive ones.

390 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:10:04pm

#367 Killian Bundy

Hell, I can barely keep track of the one I have here.

391 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:13:29pm

LOL, alright kids (newbees and old farts timers), are y'all gonna take the chips off your shoulders or am I gonna have to wake Charles to make y'all go sit in the corner for awhile. (If you believe I have that kind of pull, I got a bridge for sale real cheap) We're all on the same side here, before you shoot make sure it's a troll you are shooting at. And yes sometimes I'm guilty of shooting first, I'll try to be more careful.

On the other side of the coin, Charles instituted registration because of an infestation of moonbats back in June 2004. In the early days of registration anyone could register using a throw away email address (yahoo, hotmail, etc) not tied to an ISP. Many moonbats registered multiple nics back then. Every now and then you will see one pop up, they normally will only have made a few comments. If you are not sure about someone, go back and read their comments. Luzbone/zenbone is NOT a bad guy.

392 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:13:57pm

The Goracle and his envirojihad- just another Cult of Personality

393 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:15:36pm

391 Bordm

Sorry, but I've walked away from that discussion.

394 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:15:40pm

One10 second cow fart movie and I really go to bed. This is ridiculous to be up so late. What am I doing?

But look at how proud these two guys are at with their achievement!

395 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:15:41pm

Face it, a lot of people have been drinking tonight. Me, I don't drink that much, but a lot of people here do.

Hey! Next weekend is St Patrick's! Maybe I'll drink me some rum.

396 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:17:14pm

bordm

If you are not sure about someone, go back and read their comments. Luzbone/zenbone is NOT a bad guy.

No one is saying he was a bad person. To be fair now. It took a bit to get that info out..and even at that..the blame went to the person who pointed out the inconsistency in the posting and it was *their fault*.

It always irks me when someone tries to misplace blame.

If you decide to take on another name and someone else figure out something doesn't match up if you want to not come across as a jerk, it's only obvious that you own up to it and just say oops.

How hard is that? This could have been over in one post.

397 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:17:30pm

395 Salem

Face it, a lot of people have been drinking tonight.

Not I.

398 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:18:28pm
#387 Highrise

There are 3 things going on here...I can't figure out which one is more funny.

Well, let me guess.

* the person who wishes to become a stalker and interject controversy in ever thread since he's not getting the proper attention (a wierdo for sure)

CTP? Trust me, you'll lose that battle in the end. Click his football, he's an LGF old timer and well respected in the Lizard community.

* the person who really doesn't see what it going on (probably the most innocent)

Me? No, I get it and this is nowhere near LGF controversy. Read the archives.

* the person who thinks trolling temporarily is fun (which I'm finding kinda fun now)

luzbone? I don't see what you're wound up about there.

/LGF is catch as catch can, watch your back at all times

399 luzbone  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:20:10pm

#398 Killian Bundy

LOL!

400 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:20:29pm

#398 Killian Bundy 3/11/2007 12:18AM PST


CTP? Trust me, you'll lose that battle in the end. Click his football, he's an LGF old timer and well respected in the Lizard community.

When someone follows you from thread to thread starting trouble, I really could careless how long someone has been here. No need for that type of ego.

Suggest you drop it. I didn't carry it to this thread whatsoever and there was no need for ctp to.

401 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:21:33pm
luzbone? I don't see what you're wound up about there.

who is wound up? lol I think it's silly of him to carry on and on post after post because he likes passive aggressive trolling he just admitted to.

I kinda find it funny myself.

402 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:22:04pm

I'm afraid I started this one. Again. What do you want, I'm Satan?

403 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:22:56pm

You didn't start it Salem, remember, you were suppose to always be agreeable!

404 RC neo-Jew  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:23:52pm

Thanks for posting a link to this film. It should be posted round to all politicians.

405 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:24:54pm

One of the best lines in the film (paraphrasing):

Look at that thing up there. It's the Sun!

I had to pause and laugh for a minute or two.

406 Outrider  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:25:08pm

I wonder what, if any, correlation there is between religion and the global warming movement?

This sounds like a strange question, but as I was watching the video I got to thinking about the people I know personally that believe in global warming. They are all to a person agnostic, an atheist or something like Wikan in one case. All the Christians and Jews that I know personally are skeptical to some degree or another regarding manmade global warming.

Has anyone else experienced anything along this line? Or have ideas along this line?

407 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:31:29pm
#403 Highrise 3/11/2007 12:22AM PST

You didn't start it Salem, remember, you were suppose to always be agreeable!

It'd be nice if people would take my guff once in awhile, though. How is a socratic harlequin like me supposed to have brilliant insights with everyone sniping at them. A gadfly gads. Otherwise, what's the use?

408 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:31:50pm
#400 Highrise

When someone follows you from thread to thread starting trouble, I really could careless how long someone has been here. No need for that type of ego.

Suggest you drop it. I didn't carry it to this thread whatsoever and there was no need for ctp to.

Is that an order? Talk about ego. You'd better grow some thicker scales and buy some Kevlar jammies.

/get used to being a small fish in a big pond

409 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:33:01pm

Highrise and Sharmuta
I spent a couple years reading comments here before I made my first comment (pre registration). Not that it means anything. By reading the comments of regulars you kind of get to know when they are serious or just having fun. We like to have fun here also. Some of us have actually met more than once in the real world at a LGF BBQ's or meet up. Sometimes inside jokes surface and we forget that someone may not get it. You're both good folks, stick around and be part of the community.

410 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:33:49pm

406 Outrider

I wonder what, if any, correlation there is between religion and the global warming movement?

This sounds like a strange question, but as I was watching the video I got to thinking about the people I know personally that believe in global warming. They are all to a person agnostic, an atheist or something like Wikan in one case. All the Christians and Jews that I know personally are skeptical to some degree or another regarding manmade global warming.

Has anyone else experienced anything along this line? Or have ideas along this line?

I think you're right, because I've seen a correlation too, and I've posted on it previously.

Global Warming (or Truther theories) are not based on hard scientific facts, but a blind desire. Therefore, it requires faith for them to believe in these theories they espouse. It is the religion they've lacked in the rest of their lives- it is the only explination (IMO) available to understand why they cling to these lies.

411 RadicalRon  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:34:47pm

'Global warming' is the first major fraud of the 21st Century.

The same 'science' that was cited in the early '70s as 'proof' that we were at the doorstep of a new ice age is being used today.

The LLLunatics will have a holy shitfit (again), but here's the 1972 Time Magazine article: [Link: www.time.com...]

Just think of the volume of 'greenhouse gases' that would *not* be discharged into the atmosphere if the Left-Leaning-Lunatics would simply hold their breath. Now, that may prompt the Koslings to shriek about how their way is the only way (there is no Truth only Koslam), which is fine. They believe that shrieking is discussion - as long as you are in agreement with them.

What they don't realize, is that most sane people view the Kosling Shriek as nothing more than rantings that are similar to that put forth by old, worn-out drag queens.

412 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:36:25pm

#398 Killian Bundy

/LGF is catch as catch can, watch your back at all times

Amen brother!

/Alway wear your Kevlar underwear!

413 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:36:50pm

kb...you still on this stuff?

lol moved on already.

414 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:40:08pm

409 Bordm

No offense, but I'm tired of everyone assuming I haven't read LGF, that I've somehow jumped in here blind.

I'm not joking anymore. luzbone didn't want to accept my apology? Fine. I'm done with that conversation, and I'm talking on topic again. Having read LGF- on topic posts are better than reading flame wars, so I'm walking away. Maybe in the future, luzbone and I can have a nice back and forth conversation, but apparently not tonight.

415 earth56  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:40:12pm

Ok Charles....It 4.38 am and I have watched the whole thing !

I am sending this to some of my Loony tune humanoids that I know. One of the best Docs. in 30 years !

416 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:40:44pm

You know that the (s) at the end of alway(s) got ate by the etherbunny don't you. I typed it right the first time.

/You believe me don't you?

417 Outrider  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:43:22pm

#410 Sharmuta

I think you're right, because I've seen a correlation too, and I've posted on it previously.

Global Warming (or Truther theories) are not based on hard scientific facts, but a blind desire. Therefore, it requires faith for them to believe in these theories they espouse. It is the religion they've lacked in the rest of their lives- it is the only explination (IMO) available to understand why they cling to these lies.

I do know it is obsessive. It is almost impossible to argue with the GW believers. The moment you disagree, they all get this stunned look on their face and the first words out of their mouths is usually something to the effect, "how can you deny these facts?" When pressed for facts they have a hard time getting past a few statements. When those are shot down, they follow the time tested method of calling names and getting loud.
Personally, I have no problem if that is what they choose to believe or they want to worship gaia. But, if they are going to influence my economic well being (with carbon credits or taxes), my way of life, or they are wasting my tax dollars on half baked theories, then I have a problem with it.

418 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:44:34pm

This sounds like a strange question, but as I was watching the video I got to thinking about the people I know personally that believe in global warming. They are all to a person agnostic, an atheist or something like Wikan in one case. All the Christians and Jews that I know personally are skeptical to some degree or another regarding manmade global warming.

Well, there's a chance that the people who orchestrated the global-warming movement don't actually believe in it. They're just hoping that the masses aren't as shrewd as them. It seems to sell at the moonbat bazaars, where a lot of society's fringe go to fill-in their own dementia creed with the approved doctrine. For most, it's a desire to be counted among the righteos. People who gather like that for a sense of belonging, validation by a larger unit, don't neccesarily want to question it. Poke holes in their own baloon. You ccan draw your own parallels with that and religion. I would, but I probably shouldn't push it...

419 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:46:26pm
#413 Highrise

kb...you still on this stuff?

lol moved on already.

Suit yourself, you're the one who called CTP a weirdo.

/I read from #121 (again) and I still fail to see any controversy, at least by LGF standards

420 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:49:26pm

417 Outrider

The moment you disagree, they all get this stunned look on their face and the first words out of their mouths is usually something to the effect, "how can you deny these facts?"

I have to say, the last one I spoke to on this did not behave that way. A true lefto (he's an F-word) he told me all about the great Goracle film. I reasonably explained that the data just isn't there, and that a 1/2 degree in winter at night actually is beneficial to farmers by creating longer growing seasons. He listened, and didn't say much after that- just looked thoughtful. I am, however, looking forward to a shrieker now because I'm throwing this film in their FACE! :)

421 Outrider  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:49:49pm

For anyone that wants to link to it later or send it to someone:


422 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:50:38pm

#414 Sharmuta

No offense, but I'm tired of everyone assuming I haven't read LGF, that I've somehow jumped in here blind.


Chill friend!
No offense taken.
I was just saying I spend way more time reading here (and other places) then commenting.
I'm just tying to stop friendy fire caused by crossed wires.

423 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:51:29pm

419 Killian Bundy

Kb,

He followed me from another thread. It was weird..if it keeps happening..it will be even weirder. And given the nature of what was said, yes I'd say he was a wierdo and to play coy that he didn't say something and he did...classifies.

Now if you want to turn that into a whole ego thing on my part, whatever. He didn't get enough attention from me on one thread, then tried to poke here and pretend he didn't do it on the other thread...I said don't play coy...he knows exactly what he did. I don't expect you to catch it all but don't pretend you know everything either.

And it doesn't hold weight with me at all to hear someone has been a lizard here for awhile behaving like this...I think they are even MORE nuts to act in this manner.

Sorry if I'm not being respectful enough to your standards and bowing to your many years here..but thread hopping and poking fights and playing coy is a bit retarded and juvenile on his part.

424 Wendya  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:52:21pm

#221

What if those other guys are right about this one thing? What if they can prove it?

What if, what if, what if.

What if the sun explodes next week? Should we all spend the next few days getting shitfaced?

Should we encourage death and disease in third world countries because of shoddy research and political motivations?

425 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:52:27pm

419 Killian Bundy

I didn't point you to 121 and tell you which one it addressed.

426 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:54:54pm

422 Bordm

I'm just tying to stop friendy fire caused by crossed wires.

Which is why I walked away. It's not why I came to LGF.

427 Outrider  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:54:54pm

#418 Salem

Well, there's a chance that the people who orchestrated the global-warming movement don't actually believe in it. They're just hoping that the masses aren't as shrewd as them. It seems to sell at the moonbat bazaars, where a lot of society's fringe go to fill-in their own dementia creed with the approved doctrine. For most, it's a desire to be counted among the righteos. People who gather like that for a sense of belonging, validation by a larger unit, don't neccesarily want to question it. Poke holes in their own baloon. You ccan draw your own parallels with that and religion. I would, but I probably shouldn't push it...


I doubt if my parallels would hold water. It was just an observation that holds true in this part of the universe that I occupy. If I tried to build a theory like that with such anecdotal evidence, I would be as guilty as they are. ;-)>

428 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:55:11pm
#414 Sharmuta

flame wars

Flame Warriors

/LGF has had some beauties

429 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:57:02pm

Well, Chris toasted me a couple of times, so I assumed maybe he was possibly drinking a little. So maybe he wasn't acting weird so much as...rhetorically loose, I suppose.

I could be wrong, but I used to tend a little bar, so I can only go by my bar ear.

430 Outrider  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:58:13pm

#420 Sharmuta

I have to say, the last one I spoke to on this did not behave that way. A true lefto (he's an F-word) he told me all about the great Goracle film. I reasonably explained that the data just isn't there, and that a 1/2 degree in winter at night actually is beneficial to farmers by creating longer growing seasons. He listened, and didn't say much after that- just looked thoughtful. I am, however, looking forward to a shrieker now because I'm throwing this film in their FACE! :)


Every now and then someone listens.

My wife bought off on the entire GW theory no matter what I said or showed her. Then they seriously brought out the bovine flatulance aspect of it. She lost all respect and belief in the theory and now finds data to back me up. lol

431 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 10:59:04pm
#425 Highrise

I didn't point you to 121 and tell you which one it addressed.

My bad, it was #221.

Start at #221 for full context.

/anyway, I read the whole thread, white bread, not even buttered toast

432 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:00:30pm

430 Outrider

It's amusing to watch people's breaking points. I watch hubby's with various issues too. He's coming around to seeing the whole muslim stuff..as he reads more stuff in the papers of the weird rights they want that actually stifle other's rights.

He's beginning to ask questions....

I

have

hope.

433 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:00:43pm

And I'll apologize for that right now. It's just easier that way.

434 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:01:39pm

431 Killian Bundy

I didn't point you to that one either..and again didn't tell which one it addressed. So dunno how that got directed back to me.

You drinking by chance?

hehe

435 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:02:50pm

433 Salem

stop apologizing..lord have mercy lol.

436 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:03:53pm

/anyway, I read the whole thread, white bread, not even buttered toast

Yeah, right? Considering the premise of the thread was that a bunch of trolls and mobies were going to be devoured for a live audience, it was really a sedate thread. This place has mellowed.

437 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:04:35pm

#426 Sharmuta

Which is why I walked away. It's not why I came to LGF.


Good move,me too, I've seen many of your comments at the other place and am happy you are here. And as Killain said we have had some white hot flame wars here in the past. Stick around, you'll like it here.

438 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:06:05pm

424 Wendya

Should we encourage death and disease in third world countries because of shoddy research and political motivations?

Only if we're leftists.

Seriously- this is an angle I've never even thought about until this film (Thank you, Charles!) and it's really turning my stomach. Frankly, it's racist and I won't allow another enviro-leftist to bemoan Africa in front of me ever again, nor will I participate in their feel good AIDS campaigns since I see now these poor people can't keep their medicines properly stored.

439 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:09:22pm

437 Bordm

I've seen many of your comments at the other place

Of which place are you speaking?

/?

440 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:09:35pm

#434 Highrise

I didn't point you to that one either..and again didn't tell which one it addressed. So dunno how that got directed back to me.

You drinking by chance?

Yep, aren't you, SNDT and all? My bad again, it was Sharmuta.

/still don't see why you jumped all over CTP and luzbone

441 littleoldlady  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:09:49pm

Uh oh...

What time is it?

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------------->
Help yourselves!

442 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:09:59pm

I can't believe sharmuta cheats on us.

/snickers

443 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:10:25pm

#436 Salem

This place has mellowed.

True, I don't even have to keep a fire extinguisher next to my computer anymore.

444 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:10:54pm

430 Outrider

My wife bought off on the entire GW theory no matter what I said or showed her. Then they seriously brought out the bovine flatulance aspect of it. She lost all respect and belief in the theory and now finds data to back me up. lol

Don't you love it when we on the right are, well, right? LOL

445 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:11:24pm

440 Killian Bundy

Not about to explain it all.

Tis why I said just drop it..wasn't an ego thing as you tried to say it was on me....I just am not gonna lay it all out again as it unfolded in two threads.

I've moved on........long time ago lol.

446 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:12:15pm

441 littleoldlady

Thanks..those would be really nice to have :)

447 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:12:34pm

Where's the DT crew? They're late!

/we hashed out this time change thing last night

448 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:12:41pm

440 Killian Bundy

My bad again, it was Sharmuta.

It's always us sharmutas.

449 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:14:45pm

441 littleoldlady

Aww. I was hoping for those Cranky Flakes I keep hearing about.

450 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:15:56pm

442 Highrise

It's in the job description.

451 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:16:48pm
#445 Highrise

Tis why I said just drop it

You should at least apologize for, or retract, calling CTP a weirdo.

/even though it's a vanilla disparagement, it was uncalled for

452 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:18:47pm

Who has time for time these days?

453 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:18:55pm

451 Killian Bundy

umm..bite me?

Fat chance and keep dreaming. For someone who didn't follow it all, that is a pretty dumb statement.

454 littleoldlady  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:19:24pm
455 littleoldlady  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:20:59pm

ooops!

Artwork and most excellent Photoshop courtesy of Shiplord Kirel.

/I am NOT up yet

456 galloping granny  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:21:18pm

Now THAT took some cojones to produce and air! WOW is it nice to see the truth about this "global warming" crap for once! Thanks for putting this up Charles. Any way to get this on tape or save it? I want to use it for a class.

457 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:22:19pm
#443 Bordm 3/11/2007 01:10AM PST

#436 Salem

This place has mellowed.

True, I don't even have to keep a fire extinguisher next to my computer anymore.


Oh, for what it's worth, that tech tip the other night helped. I upgraded to a larger monitor once before, and I apparently changed the dpi, but I must have forgotten this time.

458 Outrider  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:23:56pm

#444 Sharmuta

Don't you love it when we on the right are, well, right? LOL


Well, it beats being wrong. I've been wrong a time or two and generally hate being there. But generally I consider myself an above average researcher that takes great pains at getting the facts and having valid references and citations to back me up.

459 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:24:34pm

#439 Sharmuta

Well, you're on my friends list there, if that helps.

460 Killian Bundy  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:25:54pm
#453 Highrise

umm..bite me?

Fat chance and keep dreaming. For someone who didn't follow it all, that is a pretty dumb statement.

Of course, you assume I didn't follow it all (from the other thread). I did.

You're a burgeoning, egotistical, paranoid thread nanny, deal with it.

/oh, and lick yourself

461 Outrider  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:26:24pm

#456 Gallopping Grannie
See post #421. I posted the link that will take you to the google video for viewing later.

462 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:26:38pm

454 littleoldlady

LOL! Thanks.

I was off thinking about the LGF "Rules" and I think there is only one:

At the end of the day, we all answer to Charles.

463 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:26:55pm

456 galloping granny 3/11/2007 01:21AM PST

Now THAT took some cojones to produce and air! WOW is it nice to see the truth about this "global warming" crap for once!

Can only hope cooler heads will prevail when it comes to sinking tax dollars into global warming.


KB, it's over and done with....a long time ago.
/yawn

464 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:29:02pm

459 Bordm

You mean digg? I barely go there to post (haven't in a while), but thanks for the compliment.

465 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:29:41pm

#457 Salem

No biggie, glad to help. Computer stuff is not on a need to know basis, unlike other stuff.

466 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:30:14pm
464 Sharmuta 3/11/2007 01:29AM PST

You mean digg? I barely go there to post (haven't in a while),

It was interesting to see how many new lizards we got from digg...that admitted it anyway.

467 galloping granny  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:30:58pm
#438 Sharmuta 3/11/2007 01:06AM PST

424 Wendya

Should we encourage death and disease in third world countries because of shoddy research and political motivations?

Only if we're leftists.

Seriously- this is an angle I've never even thought about until this film (Thank you, Charles!) and it's really turning my stomach. Frankly, it's racist and I won't allow another enviro-leftist to bemoan Africa in front of me ever again, nor will I participate in their feel good AIDS campaigns since I see now these poor people can't keep their medicines properly stored.

The AIDS campaign is hokum. What is behind that AIDS campaign is that test subjects are required for any potential medicine - and most especially for any potential vaccine. There are a couple of ways to test a vaccine. You give someone the vaccine and wait 20 years or so to see if they ever get the disease or you give them the vaccine then expose them to the disease. (Starting to see some of the problems?)

And then anyone who tests a vaccine might - or will - test positive for the disease for the rest of their lives, even if they don't have the disease. That could be a HUGE problem in the US. Anybody you know who will knowingly get themselves labeled as HIV+ ? Didn't think so. In Africa huge numbers of people are HIV+ - not so much of a social stigma when half or more of the population has HIV, as has been true in certain areas.

NOTE: Malaria causes far more devastation in Africa than AIDS and has for hundreds of years. Medical scientists are pretty unanimous in acknowledging that vaccines and medicines could have been developed long, long ago to treat malaria save for the fact that malaria these days is an "African" problem. (We solved our malaria problem in North America using DDT - before it was outlawed worldwide.)

468 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:31:52pm

466 Highrise

It was interesting to see how many new lizards we got from digg...that admitted it anyway.

Did we? Neat.

469 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:34:05pm

468 Sharmuta

Yes,

and for what it's worth, I have been perusing over there the past 4 or so days...the leftist whacko comments have subsided. We still are getting buried but I think they are becoming too tired to fight in the comments anyway.

Amuses me.

470 Outrider  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:35:26pm

#467 Galloping Grannie

NOTE: Malaria causes far more devastation in Africa than AIDS and has for hundreds of years. Medical scientists are pretty unanimous in acknowledging that vaccines and medicines could have been developed long, long ago to treat malaria save for the fact that malaria these days is an "African" problem. (We solved our malaria problem in North America using DDT - before it was outlawed worldwide.)


Just as well. I hate to see all of us on Primaquine and Cloraquine, as they are both pain in the butts to take.

471 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:39:27pm

Sharmuta and Highrise

Actually some of the more profane ones have had their ID's revoked over there.

472 galloping granny  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:39:40pm
#470 Outrider 3/11/2007 01:35AM PST

#467 Galloping Grannie

NOTE: Malaria causes far more devastation in Africa than AIDS and has for hundreds of years. Medical scientists are pretty unanimous in acknowledging that vaccines and medicines could have been developed long, long ago to treat malaria save for the fact that malaria these days is an "African" problem. (We solved our malaria problem in North America using DDT - before it was outlawed worldwide.)


Just as well. I hate to see all of us on Primaquine and Cloraquine, as they are both pain in the butts to take.

They also are not "cures." Besides, you can always do as colonial Brits did: Bombay & Tonic. Quinine is a very interesting compound. It flouresces a stunning blue color, making tonic water a superb hands on demo of flourescence.

473 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:41:47pm

467 galloping granny

Wow- thanks for the really great, informative post. Again- never thought about that issue in that light.

I do, however, know that the mosquito is rarely if ever discussed as the largest killer mankind has historically ever faced. They're nasty, vile, little pests that are now spreading new diseases like West Nile. Too bad we can't use a couple billion tax dollars a year to research how to better deal with them.

474 Spiritualized  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:43:42pm

#237 Sharmuta

Where can I sign your Ban the Ocean petition?

Talking of which, here's some assorted moonbats signing a petition to ban water, including the head organiser of the rally:

Penn And Teller Get Hippies To Sign Water Banning Petition

From their TV show: 'Bullshit!'

475 Outrider  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:44:41pm

#472 Galloping Granny

They also are not "cures." Besides, you can always do as colonial Brits did: Bombay & Tonic. Quinine is a very interesting compound. It flouresces a stunning blue color, making tonic water a superb hands on demo of flourescence.


No. They weren't cures. The theory was as long as you took your dosages, you would not get malaria. I can not remember what side effects they had, I do remember they did have them and we didn't like them. I also remember us all standing in line taking the pills by the numbers because the side effects were such that no one liked taking the pills. The side effects weren't major, just unpleasant.

476 grayp  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:44:44pm

good morning everyone!

Did y'all see that the EU has banned incadescent light bulbs as of the year 2010. Each and all must use flourescent.

Doesn't flourescent lighting have mercury?

477 Salem  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:47:27pm

I do, however, know that the mosquito is rarely if ever discussed as the largest killer mankind has historically ever faced. They're nasty, vile, little pests that are now spreading new diseases like West Nile. Too bad we can't use a couple billion tax dollars a year to research how to better deal with them.

I suppose that's become an animal-rights issue, now. However, I think they're presently working on a way to eradicate all white males without all of the cool stuff like Wii, cell-phones and running water disappearing.

478 Bordm  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:49:58pm

#472 galloping granny

I've been drinking gin and tonic for years. I live in bayou country, better safe then sorry. I've never caught malaria or yellow fever. Mosquitos die when they bite me.

/besides, it's a good excuse as any to have a drink.

479 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:50:43pm

476 grayp 3/11/2007 01:44AM PST

good morning everyone!

Mornin!

Did y'all see that the EU has banned incadescent light bulbs as of the year 2010. Each and all must use flourescent.

It will be wonderful being under a one world government some day...Not!

Doesn't flourescent lighting have mercury?

I believe so.

480 Outrider  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:52:26pm

On the video, they referenced the 2,500 signers of the GW at the UN and stated that not all of them were scientists. In that light, I refer you to this:

"During the past 2 years, more than 17,100 basic and applied American scientists, two-thirds with advanced degrees, have signed the Global Warming Petition.

Signers of this petition so far include 2,660 physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists (select this link for a listing of these individuals) who are especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide on the Earth's atmosphere and climate..."

[Link: www.oism.org...]

Petition Project
PO Box 1925
La Jolla CA 92038-1925

481 Highrise  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:54:14pm

#474 Spiritualized

That is some hilarious video.

482 Outrider  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:55:35pm

On the video, they referenced the 2,500 signers of the GW at the UN and stated that not all of them were scientists. In that light, I refer you to this:

"During the past 2 years, more than 17,100 basic and applied American scientists, two-thirds with advanced degrees, have signed the Global Warming Petition.

Signers of this petition so far include 2,660 physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists (select this link for a listing of these individuals) who are especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide on the Earth's atmosphere and climate..."

[Link: [Link: www.oism.org...]...]

Petition Project
PO Box 1925
La Jolla CA 92038-1925

I didn't make it clear that the Petetion Project debunks GW. Not supports it.

483 Sharmuta  Sat, Mar 10, 2007 11:56:45pm

474 Spiritualized

Talking of which, here's some assorted moonbats signing a petition to ban water

LOL Was it Tom Green who did a petition to end Women's Suffrage? "These poor women are suffering!"

484 Mike C.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:00:37am

Good morning, dead thread.

485 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:02:53am

Wow- it went from 1:56am to 3:00am just like that!

Man, time flies.

486 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:03:05am

ROTFL!

What time is it, Mikey?

487 Outrider  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:03:30am

#484 Mike C

Good morning, dead thread.


Good morning to you.

488 Highrise  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:03:33am

482 Outrider

Ahh that is from Oregon, the state governor that wants that one scientist fired because he doesn't believe humans are causing Global Warming.

489 Mike C.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:04:10am

Okay, so I missed by a bit. Impossible target to hit.

490 Highrise  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:04:22am

485 Sharmuta 3/11/2007 03:02AM PDT

Wow- it went from 1:56am to 3:00am just like that!

Man, time flies.

Probably flew due to such redundancy /snicker

491 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:05:35am

Perverse Libby trial was revealing

What's just happened to Scooter Libby is, I think, worse. In his closing remarks, Patrick Fitzgerald invited the jury to view a narrow perjury case as something epic: ''What is this case about?'' the special counsel mused. ''Is it about something bigger?'' Fortunately, he was musing rhetorically, and he had the answer on hand: ''There is a cloud over the vice president. . . . There is a cloud over the White House.''

/the upshot is, Hillary will never be elected President

492 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:06:20am

I miss the target time every day.

Not by a whole hour, usually.

493 grayp  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:07:38am

How to have a 'green' sex life...........

Other ways of "greenwashing" the bedroom, as outlined by TreeHugger and Greenpeace, include turning out the lights, not buying PVC or vinyl accoutrements, ensuring S&M paddles are made from sustainably harvested timber, using organic massage oils, showering together, using bamboo bed sheets (they come from a rapidly renewable resource and are said to be "super sexy"), and wearing lingerie made with renewable fibres such as hemp (Enamore), bamboo (Butta) and other organic goodness (GreenKnickers, Buenostyle, Peau Ethique).

And don't forget the vegan porn............

494 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:08:01am

421 Outrider

A little late, but thanks for that. The moonbats in my life will be able to handle it better if it doesn't come from the Dreaded LittleGreenFootballs site.

495 Canadian Infidel  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:09:46am
255 Irene NYC 3/10/2007 10:30PM PST

#229 highrise

now I have to change my lights out to god forbid fluorescent

They've just made a major breakthrough on incandescent lightbulg energy efficiency - I'm sure GE will bring them to market soon. In September GE is introducing fluorescent bulbs that can be dimmed.

Thanks for the information. My father has been on a fluorescent lightbulb kick the last week. We have 65 Watt Sylvania bulbs that use a dimmer switch. He was wondering if there was a fluorescent version.

496 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:09:59am

490 Highrise

Maybe we can out that hour.

/I gotta get to bed

497 Highrise  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:10:23am

493 grayp

Oh they are really cutting out a segment now...the SM people who like those pvc clothes!

498 Mike C.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:12:33am

littleoldlady

Island time.

499 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:13:15am

493 grayp

showering together

But I like this one.

/really bed time now

500 Salem  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:13:52am

So, that David Obey thing was kind of amusing, huh? Seeing the Dems start to get stir-crazy from the staggering zombie peacenick mobs that plague them constantly is the early reaping of the inevitable. The left is really trying to get themselves shut out of the process so they can don their Guy Faux masks and go gunpowder. Or something like that. In heat for defeat.

501 Outrider  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:15:20am

#488 Highrise

Ahh that is from Oregon, the state governor that wants that one scientist fired because he doesn't believe humans are causing Global Warming.


That was one of the major points of that video. This "movement" is now more political than scientific. Remember scientists once stated with absolute certainty that the earth was flat and the sun orbited the earth. People were tortured and burned at the stake as heretics for believing otherwise. The body politic has replaced the church in this case, but a heretic is still a heretic. ;-)>

502 grayp  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:17:38am

I need coffee.

badly.

back later

503 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:18:07am

Mikey,

Hand me that drink over there, please? Yes that one; the one with the little umbrella.

/I'm not complaining, mind you. It went up to almost 60° yesterday
//I just hope we've turned the corner to Spring....

504 Outrider  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:18:26am

#494 Sharmuta

421 Outrider

A little late, but thanks for that. The moonbats in my life will be able to handle it better if it doesn't come from the Dreaded LittleGreenFootballs site.


That was my thinking also. As a rule, I don';t reference blog sites as citations. I send as many people here as possible though.

505 Salem  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:19:59am

I still say Edwards will get it after Hillary and Obama negate each other. But Edwards is working awfully hard to ensure that the primary voters will have to hold their noses for it to happen. If not one of them... Lemme see... Kucin-... Naw.

Biden is BACK, baby!

506 Outrider  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:20:09am

Time to pull pitch and rack out.

Good night lizards

507 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:21:41am

#421 Outrider,

Thanks from me, too. There's at least three people I'm tired of fighting with that need to see this video. Hopefully they'll actually watch it.

I am not asking you to change your mind - just open it...

508 Confuzed  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:21:44am

Global Warming, Global Cooling, Global Warming, Global Cooling?
Another Ice Age - Article from Time Monday, Nov. 13, 1972 Link here

The arrival of another ice age has long been a chilling theme of science fiction. If the earth's recent history is any clue, says Marine Geologist Cesare Emiliani of the University of Miami, a new ice age could become a reality.

Writing in Science, Emiliani reports that the earth has undergone at least eight periods of extreme cold and seven of torrid heat in the past 400,000 years. His conclusion is based on cores of ocean sediment from the Caribbean. Composed of the remains of tiny sea animals, the layered sediment provides a record of climatic changes. When the oceans warm up, there is a decrease in the ratio of the isotope oxygen-18 to ordinary oxygen in the shells of the little creatures; when temperatures go down, the concentration of oxygen-18 goes up. Moreover, the proportions are preserved after the creatures die and sink to become layers of sediment. Thus, because these layers can now easily be dated, the shells can be studied to establish past temperature trends.

Scientists once held that there were four ice ages, each as long as 100,000 years, separated by warm periods of at least comparable duration. But Emiliani's investigations, and also those of Columbia University's David Ericson and Goesta Wollin, have shown that the ice ages were as short as 10,000 to 20,000 years. Moreover, Emiliani says, the climatologically comfortable intervals between them were also geologically brief. Thus, Emiliani warns, the present period of "amiable climate," which has already lasted 12,000 years, may soon come to an end, perhaps within the next 2,000 or 3,000 years.

In what direction will the earth's climate then turn? Emiliani refuses to speculate. But if man continues his "interference with climate through deforestation, urban development and pollution," says Emiliani in typical scientific jargon, "we may soon be confronted with either a runaway glaciation or a runaway deglaciation, both of which would generate unacceptable environmental stresses."

509 Bordm  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:22:38am

As much as I'd like to hang around and discuss the fallacies of moronic leftist world view of the miracles of organics. I think I'll crawl in between my evil capitalistic silk sheets and call it a day. See y’all later! Thanks for the fruit cup, give the cranky flakes to a lib/pinko for me

510 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:23:33am
#505 Salem

I still say Edwards will get it after Hillary and Obama negate each other.

We can only hope, no matter how unlikely.

/the Silky Pony would be a general election skidmark

511 Highrise  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:23:49am

Enjoy Fully bordm!

512 Highrise  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:26:43am

505 Salem

I wonder how Edwards feels pulling into his driveway each day seeing his neighbor's painted fence say Go Guliani 08? Er something to that effect.

513 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:30:12am
#512 Highrise

I wonder how Edwards feels pulling into his driveway each day seeing his neighbor's painted fence say Go Guliani 08? Er something to that effect.

Linky, please?

/that would be news to some of us

514 Highrise  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:34:49am

I initially saw it on Fox news...they were interviewing the neighbor and he was very interesting.

Here is what I found..picture wise on the net.

[Link: tigerhawk.blogspot.com...]

Apparently, edwards isn't a very nice neighbor to some of them hehe.

515 Salem  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:35:02am

We can only hope, no matter how unlikely.

/the Silky Pony would be a general election skidmark

I think we have at least one more white guy vs. white guy election. Many Arericans may be ready for a black or woman president, but I feel confident they won't be ready for a President Obama Hussein (who has a slave-owner in his family tree, but no actual slaves) or a President Rottingham Clinton-mafia. Edwards is their easy, breezy alternative.

516 Salem  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:38:23am

#514 Highrise 3/11/2007 03:34AM PDT

I see the comic potential. Come to that, he isn't really popular in his own state, is he? I think it's like Gore and Tennessee.

517 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:41:06am
#514 Highrise

Here is what I found..picture wise on the net.

Okay, well done.

/include linkys in your original post if you're asserting a fact, or expect fact checking behavior, a LGF tradition, going way back

518 Highrise  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:42:37am

516 Salem

I can never get the image out of my mind the night that was in question if john kerry would concede victory to George Bush. That night was cold and rainy..and a huge crowd was waiting outside for word from the kerry/edwards camp. kerry never did show up....but edwards come out..sticks his thumb up in the air and gives that ole arm a shake and says something stupid. For the life of me..I can't remember but all I know is if I had been standing out there for a few hours in the rain awaiting them to come tell me an update, I'd have wanted to kick his tail. It seemed belittling like they were wasting their time there and then he put in a plug for himself.

519 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:45:48am

/still watching this video...

The co-founder, and now ex-member, of Greenpeace:

"When I left the organization was trying to get a worldwide ban on chlorine. I said, 'Guys, that's an element on the periodic table. I'm not sure that's within our jurisdiction.'"

Gosh. I sure hope I didn't wake my family LOLing...

520 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:50:02am

#474 Spiritualized

The Penn and Teller video was gruesomely funny.

It reminded me of the time James Randi tested some Moscow psychics by showing them a photo of a handsome young chap and asking them to tell everything they could divine about him. They came up with all sorts of stuff, but they missed the crucial one: It was a photo of one Theodore Bundy and he had just been put to death for being a mass murderer. You should have seen their faces when Randi told them.

The H2O page links to some other great episodes from Bullshit!, including one where they really take a meat-axe to the PETA-heads. This was the first time I had seen any images of PETA's luxurious headquarters in Norfolk VA. During the episode, P and T dress in leather and fur and absent-mindedly munch on Kentucky fried chicken, steaks, and burgers.

521 Salem  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 12:50:43am

It seemed belittling like they were wasting their time there and then he put in a plug for himself.

Yeah, that was smooth. The guy is a flaming buffoon. This guy with a San Simeon-like estate lecturing about "two Americas". You couldn't make it up.

522 songbird  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:01:38am

#45 republic 3/10/2007 07:55PM PST

Global Warming is nothing more than a power and money grab!

That is so painfully true. It is the "issue du jour" for the left, and distracts from the task at hand of protecting our nation, and indeed, free people, from the real threat of aggressive murderous islamo-fascism.

Here are my paltry comments on the subject:

Mandated Environmentalism vs. Good Stewardship

523 Salem  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:09:15am

I was just leafing through this old philosophy book of mind and I found a candy-wrapper i slipped in there at least a decade ago:

R. Crumb's
DEVIL-GIRL
Choco-Bar

It's BAD for you!

7 Evils in One:
1. Delicious Taste
2. Quick, Cheap Buzz
3. Bad for Your Health
4. Leads to Hard Drugs
5. Waste of Money
6. Made by Sleazy Businessmen
7. Exploits Women

I wonder if these are still on the market?

524 Salem  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:11:41am

"When I left the organization was trying to get a worldwide ban on chlorine. I said, 'Guys, that's an element on the periodic table. I'm not sure that's within our jurisdiction.'"

Heheh. Wow.

525 Highrise  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:14:16am

524 Salem 3/11/2007 04:11AM PDT

Greenpeace probably had no idea what a periodic chart was. I imagine that guy has many stories to tell from working there.

526 Salem  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:20:53am

I'm getting DSL in a few days, I'm gonna go back and watch it. I'm hoping this whole debacle has turned the corner. I have said lately that the Dems have had it. The last election was a definitive fluke and just possibly their last hurrah.

527 Killian Bundy  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:25:19am

HILL: I'M THE JFK OF 2008

"He was smart, he was dynamic, he was inspiring and he was Catholic. A lot of people back then [1960] said, 'America will never elect a Catholic as president,' " the White House hopeful told the New Hampshire Democrats' 100 Club fund-raiser here.

"But those who gathered here almost a half century ago knew better," she said. "They believed America was bigger than that and Americans would give Sen. John F. Kennedy a fair shake, and the rest, as they say, is history."

Noting women are "the majority" of voters and are in the workforce in "record numbers," she added, "So when people tell me 'a woman can never be president,' I say, we'll never know unless we try."

/please nominate her, she'll never be elected President of the United States

528 Salem  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:27:55am

Well, it's been real. See ya later Highrise, all...

529 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:29:14am

It's remarkable that a major media outlet would run this obvious heresy.

We'll know we've turned the corner in the media war when we see a re-make of Easy Rider with the hophead bikers as the villains and the toothless yokels in the pickup as the heroes.

530 Highrise  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:31:44am

528 Salem

Niters Salem :)

531 hayseed  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:33:16am

Good Morning all....I don't know what Charles did yesterday,but it caused a 1 hour shift in time in southwest Ohio. we are now in the future by 1 hour.

532 WriterMom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:37:11am

Morning!

533 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:42:23am

hayseed....LOL! :-)

/I'm sooooo confused

Well, I watched the whole thing. VERY interesting! Now I get to email it around to people who are going to yell on me (whether they watch it or not).

534 KYAG  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:52:44am

Wish I had enough money to own the rights to 'An Inconvenient whatever the f*#k" to the degree that I coud stipulate that for free but with the requirement that they could not leave the theatre, those who pay to watch the aforementioned drivel have to stay and watch this ...

dreams ... aaah dreams

535 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 1:58:50am

Good morning all.

I was tardy to the fruit cup table.

536 TimeQuake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:03:14am

I'm on dial-up. Is the video worth watching and how long is it? Thanks in advance.

Lot of new nics.

537 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:05:03am

Time, the entire thing is rather long. I would wait in your case.

538 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:07:23am

This defector from Iran gets more and more intriguing.
Defector spied on Iran for years - report

It is unclear which intelligence organization he was spying for, the report said. “He probably was working for Mossad but believed he was working for a European intelligence agency,” an Israeli defense official was quoted by the Times as saying.
According to the Times, a daring getaway via Damascus was organized by western intelligence agencies after it became clear that his cover was about to be blown. Iran’s notorious secret service, the Vavak, is believed to have suspected that he was a high-level mole, the report said.


`Pak militants eyeing public schools for suicide bombers`

539 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:17:49am

St. Pancake,

YO! :-)

TimeQuake,

It's 1.15 hours. Definitely worth watching, but probably a major pain on dail-up. Outrider posted the direct link to google video in #421.

540 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:20:59am

Morning, LoLady!
"waving"

No Mikey?
Still on vacation. How are you handling the additional stress of the morning duty?

I took a four hour nap yesterday. I was tired.

541 TimeQuake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:21:46am

St. Pancake

Thank for the heads up. It's still buffering in another tab anyway.

542 WriterMom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:23:00am

Hi Pancake!

543 freetoken  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:24:12am

FWIW, as this thread is probably soon to be bumped down by new articles, here are some attempts to counter the broadcast in question, from the Realclimate website:

[Link: www.realclimate.org...]

as well as an earlier article which address the clouds issue:
[Link: www.realclimate.org...]

Those are for those (few) of you who are really interested in looking at the arguments.

For the rest of you who think it is all a commie plot - well, I don't know how to convince you that guilt-by-association is a fallacy and a poor approach to thinking clearly.

544 Mike C.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:24:44am

Waddya mean, no Mikey ?

OT - every morning we observe at least two species of LIZARDS hereabouts. Ubiquitous.

Rent-a-car shuttle is coming, so NOW there's no Mikey.

545 WriterMom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:25:21am

Who is the luzbone person? What was their former nic? I hate when people change their nics.

546 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:28:07am

Mikey showed up an hour late this morning.

/even AFTER we spent all that time figuring out ...er... time yesterday :-)

I was a few minutes late, too.

547 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:28:30am

Oops
Talked out of turn. :)

Howdy writermom!

Lol!
Exhibit Considers Nazis' Deadly Medicine

But the idea behind eugenics - improving a population's health through genetics - was hardly unique to Germany, as shown by a traveling exhibit developed by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., and on display at The Andy Warhol Museum.

"Deadly Medicine: Creating the Master Race" uses 200 photographs, videotaped survivor stories and several dozen artifacts to trace eugenics' development as a perversion of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution to its Nazi justification for genocide.

548 TimeQuake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:28:53am

#539 Littleoldlady

Thanks, I'll try google for the download. I have friends I would like to see this but they too, are on dial-up. Any info about this coming out on DVD, like Gorey's inconvenient truth? Or being shown on any networks here? I can hog-tie two of them to watch tv, lol.

549 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:30:00am

To be sure.
I still have no clue if I am on the "correct" time, or not.

I am playing it by ear until further notified.

550 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:32:35am

WriterMom, who is Luzone?

Still waking up

551 Ben B  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:34:49am

#9 jrdroll

Who would have thought that Pythagorean abstinence from beans was to combat global warming? [Link: users.ucom.net...]

552 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:36:47am

Islamic extremists 'infiltrate Oxbridge'

His speech on "radicalism in universities" also states that at its peak before the July 7 bombings in 2005, al-Muhajiroun had a presence at "more than 48 universities and faculties", and that Omar Bakri Mohammed, the group's founder, claims it is "still operational" in several campuses.

553 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:41:23am

Littleoldlady,

New Cranky Flakes Promo (I hesitate to say improved though)

BTW, I'm disappointed that nobody noticed the "net weight" label on the Cranky Flakes box.

554 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:48:35am

#543 freetoken,

I'm not a scientist, and quite frankly, the science on both sides makes my eyes glaze over. I just don't think it's heresy to question the Gospel of Global Warming™; when there are so many differing opinions among reputable scientists.

What I found especially interesting about this video was the funding and the politics involved. The fact that the funding to support the global warming theories increased by billions is very telling, wouldn't you say? The scientist who practically had to sue to get his name taken OFF the U.N. report was also an eye-opener.

Recently there was an international something (I forget what) at Davos where it was reported that the number one issue discussed was global warming. My question then remains the same now: Why weren't these proported leaders discussing the huge threat that Iran poses to the world?

The minute Iran lobs a nuke at Israel - and Israel naturally responds - global warming will be the last thing we have to worry about.

555 whiterasta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:48:58am

Here is some lovely tolerance from our friends in the Middle East:

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

556 TimeQuake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:50:56am

I'm up to 2:52 minutes on the download on the video, just an hour and 12 minutes to go, geeeez.

Preview fast but posting loooong time, number of comments?

557 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:51:55am

Shiplord,

I did. I just can't count up to megatons. :-)

WOW.

558 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:54:21am

What 60 Minutes will be showing this evening.

I will be honest. Some of the science involved in the global warming debate leaves me behind. I am really in need of a "Global Warming for Idiots" webpage.

559 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:56:00am
I am really in need of a "Global Warming for Idiots" webpage.

Ohhhhhhhh! PROFIT POTENTIAL ALERT! A Global Warming for Dummies book.

:-)

560 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:56:20am

#536 TimeQuake
I would say it's well worth it. just set it to upload overnight and then watch it the next morning.

561 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:57:42am

Hamas militant moron shot dead in Gaza

The agreement between the two groups, signed on 8 February in the Saudi city of Mecca, had brought a fragile end factional fighting which has claimed more than 90 Palestinian lives since December.
562 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 3:58:47am

Good Morning Y'all from a nice (49 degrees, going up to 68 degrees) sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this morning?!

563 windybon  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:00:32am

Good morning, all! Well, when I turned on my 'puter this morning, I was glad to see MS had sent me an automatic update and my 'puter clock was changed to DST. I'm not glad about DST, but at least I don't need to reset the 'puter.

I do think Spring has come to the Great Plains. We're supposed to get close to 70 today and over 70 tomorrow and Tuesday. Hopefully, no more frost on the vehicle windows.

564 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:00:49am

#559 {littleoldlady} Good morning to you! Um, did you perchance fail to reset your clocks, or are still "up" anyway or didja just get up from your first nap of the day?!

565 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:00:55am

Lol, loLady

Howdy, Troutster!

566 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:02:04am

Good morning, Lizards. I knew Bill Gates and friends wouldn't let me down!

What a difference sunshine makes.

567 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:02:41am

#563 windybon OVER 70 for the Great Plains? Wow, what a difference turning your clocks ahead will do, eh?
LOL!
How are you doing (other than looking for your shorts and tee shirts, I mean)?

568 WriterMom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:03:20am

St. Pancake there was some discussion yesterday about who "luzbone" was. I have no idea. Realwest, do you know?

569 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:03:38am

"Waving at arrivals"

Cat is biting me as he is needing breakfast.

570 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:03:53am

543 freetoken

For the rest of you who think it is all a commie plot - well, I don't know how to convince you that guilt-by-association is a fallacy and a poor approach to thinking clearly.

I couldn't sleep, and I come back in here and find this.

So, you're saying I shouldn't consider the CO-FOUNDER of Greenpeace as a legitimate critic? He has no idea what he's talking about? Sorry- but I'll take these highly educated, informed men's findings, statements and opinions into account in my "poor approach to thinking clearly" more than a snide comment will convince me to look at your links.

571 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:04:42am

#565 {St. Pancake} and
#566 {Goddessoftheclassroom}

Hey good morning to you two too! Isn't this a beautiful morning today?

572 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:05:30am

#569 St. Pancake

Don't give kitties pancakes for breakfast--even if they are saints!

573 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:05:41am

{realwest!}

Good morning! I was glad to hear that mom made it through her procedure in one piece. :-)

Don't ask me what time it is. I'm WAY too confused.

And I don't think I've had a nap yet today.

/unless zoning in front of the computer counts as a nap

574 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:05:51am

St. Pancake, WriterMom:

luzbone

575 susango  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:07:08am

The afternoon show I listen to on the radio has a great list of links that dispute global warning. There are over 100 links for viewing. Here is the link if you would like to take a look!

[Link: schnittshow.com...]

576 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:07:18am

#568 WriterMom - Hi there WriterMom! Afraid I can't help you with that. "luzbone" is not a word I recognize (although once I've had some coffee and brekkie in me that might change!) Can you use it in a sentence?!

577 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:07:47am

#565 St. Pancake
G'mornin'

578 Carl in Jerusalem  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:08:15am

Good Morning Dead Threaders!

Make sure you sign up for MDate.com. Aisha, you should be first in line!

579 windybon  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:09:18am

realwest - good morning to you, too!

My niece and great-niece are here for a few days and we're getting ready to contribute what little cash we have to capitalism.

580 WriterMom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:09:34am

Sharmuta, thanks.

581 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:09:41am

Thanks, Sharmuta

Cats are happily munching kibble now. Oh, the little things.......

Yo, Real!
Gorgeous day here too.

582 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:10:03am

#574 Sharmuta - Well thank you; luzbone is a poster from the future who doesn't read the thread topic before posting. Interesting!

583 WriterMom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:10:45am

Hi Killgore.

584 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:11:16am

"No kibble for oil"

Carl, I am so loving that link. Very tempting as Nana implied.

585 WriterMom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:11:48am

It's sunny and bright in Toronto, too. Definitely feels like spring is around the corner.

586 akak  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:12:33am

oh my.....Edwards has ties to Hamas/Hezbshitzah!

587 WriterMom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:13:24am

#566 Goddessoftheclassroom

Long time no see. I have a great book to recommend: SHAM-How the Self Help Movement Made America Helpless, by Steve Salerno.

It is excellent. I just finished it.

588 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:13:28am

#573 {littleoldlady} LOL! No zoning in front of the computer doesn't count (now if you'd a "woke up" with a keyboard impression on your face, THAT would count as a nap!).
Geez, it still feels like around 8:00 AM to me. Think I'll go make the coffee and start the breakfast as Mom is still asleep!
Won't she be surprised when the smoke detector she smells the bacon frying!

589 Carl in Jerusalem  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:14:05am

# 584 St. Pancake

I was going to sign up as married under "other," but I don't think Mrs. Carl in Jerusalem would appreciate me advertising for another one....

By the way, did you see that the Druze finalist in the Miss Israel pageant has dropped out? Guess why....

590 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:14:28am

In addition, I went to the front page, and did a search for my "dream man". Lol! There were slews of people from Pakiland, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and Saudi.

591 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:15:20am

#579 windybon - So you're all going shopping today,
eh?!
I'm off to make the brekkie, see y'all in a while!

592 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:15:35am

#583 WriterMom
Howdy.

593 Dad 2 4  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:15:54am

#543 freetoken

...Those are for those (few) of you who are really interested in looking at the arguments.

For the rest of you who think it is all a commie plot - well, I don't know how to convince you that guilt-by-association is a fallacy and a poor approach to thinking clearly.

-Being properly lectured and condescended to, I am now ready to consider your argument.

594 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:16:11am

No, Carl....
The Mrs. would not approve, so do not go there.
On the other hand, it is rather amusing to see the selections. It would be amusing to see Nana's selections too. :D

595 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:17:35am

Carl
I did see that article. The Druze always confuse me. So secretive.

596 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:17:37am

WriterMom

You're welcome.

597 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:18:33am

#587 WriterMom

I will look for it.

However, I would welcome some "self help" among my students. I've been trying to train them. For example, one will come up and announce, "I don't have a pencil."

I usually reply, "Shall I contact the FBI to put out an APB?" or something similarly sarcastic.

FINALLY they know nothing is going to happen until they say, "May I please_____________?"

I try to get them to do their own problem-solving. If it weren't so infuriating, it would be amusing how several think that I'm the villain because I won't accept their work late (without a valid excuse, such as a family emergency).

598 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:18:54am

593 Dad 2 4
Haha! I like you. :)

599 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:21:33am

St. Pancake-

You're welcome, too.

600 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:22:55am

Moonbat alert:

French artist hangs peace portraits in Israel

Intent on humanising the warring parties, he asked Israelis and Palestinians to make silly faces just inches away from his 28mm lens.
"I feel like the Jews are laughing at us. The Jews are always laughing at us," he said.
601 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:23:00am

314 2SoonOld2LateSmart

It's the Sun, son.

Just say no to solar warming denial.

I missed this earlier- rotating title?

602 WriterMom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:23:04am

#597 Goddess

LOL. Not that kind of self-help, rather the whiny culture of victimization that continues to find new incarnations, "chicken soup for the soul", "Mars and Venus", Tony Robbins, Deepak Chopra, Oprah, "life coaches", etc.

603 MTNester  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:23:11am

Mornin' all! Another beautiful day on tap for Northwest Florida.

604 WriterMom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:24:26am

Florida sounds good to me. It's 4C here, and I'm singing like it's spring...

605 MTNester  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:25:20am

Oh, Writer Mom, I do NOT miss that cold, for sure!

606 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:27:05am

I am thinking it will get to around 80 here today.

Helicopter to Al Gore film?

Flauhaut chartered the flight from Brussels to Hasselt. The two-hour flight produced 12 to 20 times more CO2 greenhouse gas than a car journey of the same distance. The newspaper also said the cost of operating the helicopter is estimated at about EUR 2,500 an hour
607 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:27:34am

I'm going to go watch this film again. Yes, it's that good.

608 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:28:13am

#602 WriterMom

OH, I see--I can't stand the "I'm a victim" mindset. It has to start with taking responsibility for choices and mistakes. With my own kids, I've made it clear that "I didn't mean to" doesn't change the fact that he did.

I've told my students that a mistake (such as using an unacceptable word) simply requires an apology; it's the denial that escalates the situation.

609 TimeQuake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:28:30am

Killgore

Thx, I really want to see it, after reading this thread. Up to six minutes of download now. My ISP cuts me off after a certain amount of time (3 hours?).

610 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:28:45am

The kidnapped Lubbock baby has been found. Details to be provided later.

611 Dar ul Harbarian  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:28:49am

Nice movie.

Thanks for posting, Charles.

612 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:29:49am

#610 St. Pancake

Thanks for that news! I've been so worried.

613 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:30:09am

goddess,

From Arthur:

Arthur: Do you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to take a bath.
Hobson: I'll alert the media.
Arthur: Do you want to run my bath for me?
Hobson: It's what I live for.

/watch enough movies, get enough comebacks for ANY situation.

;-)

614 freetoken  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:30:48am

#554 littleoldlady

Well, I think you are fairly well on your way to understanding more as long as you remain sceptical but not cynical. There is a difference...

I used to be more sceptical, but over the last year or two it seems like a better handle is being had on the complexity of the issue and I'm trying to follow the scientists here, not the politicians. Politicians are by nature exploitative, and scientists tend to be more conscious.

I also rank climate issues ahead of Islam in importance, whether via Iran or KSA or AQ. By that I mean for the whole world, looking down towards our grandchildrens' generations. However, there are specific cases where the priority should be otherwise, e.g., if I were in Israel I'd be worrying much more about Iran and Hezbollah than Global warming.

But I'm not in Israel, I'm in the Far East. Here arguably the availability of oil (and natural gas and coal) are the immediate issue, followed by water, land, and other environmental issues.

Hope that LGF will remember that it's a big world out there, and there are other serious issues in addition to Islamic violence.

615 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:31:37am

612 Goddessoftheclassroom
Good news is always welcomed. I read that the baby needs medical help too.

616 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:32:36am

Drunk Monkeys
Drunken monkeys make great leaders. Huh.

617 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:32:42am

#610 littleoldlady

Of course! I should have cited that as one of my sources. "The Philadelphia Story," "Casablanca," and many other of those classic movies are a MINE of gems.

618 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:33:40am

Dallas news had the info, but no story yet.

619 MTNester  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:33:48am

Goddessoftheclassroom

When my kids were small, I required that when they came to ask my help for something that they had tried three ways to solve their problem. They had to tell me the three things they had tried.

620 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:35:04am

#619 MTNester

Brilliant! I wish I'd have thought of that! However, it's never too late...

621 galloping granny  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:36:18am
#585 WriterMom 3/11/2007 06:11AM PDT

It's sunny and bright in Toronto, too. Definitely feels like spring is around the corner.

Bright, sunny and getting foggy here in VT. Course I have known spring is right around the corner for a week or so now because Mr. Chipmunk is awake and raiding the birdfeeder.

622 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:36:50am

614 freetoken

I used to be more sceptical, but over the last year or two it seems like a better handle is being had on the complexity of the issue and I'm trying to follow the scientists here, not the politicians. Politicians are by nature exploitative, and scientists tend to be more conscious.

May I ask- have you watched this film?

623 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:37:00am

#609 TimeQuake
Here it is on youtube broken up into 10 minute chunks...
The Great Global Warming Swindle 1/8
you'll notice the other segments in the left side window. I think it's important to watch the whole thing, the last 15 minutes or so had some really important stuff about developing countries.

624 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:39:14am

Trout
That monkey video is hilarious. :D

625 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:39:37am

#262 luzbone

Both views. Both credible.

Let me guess. Science and math were never your strong suit?

If you would take a moment to view the documentary you would discover they have a lot more data and correlations that includes the little data the chicken-littles-the-sky-is-falling-and-it-is-your- fault crowd has. The folks in the documentary are finally getting the understanding of the data right because they look at the more complex system and factor in many more parameters. The Goracle runs with a little bit of data and gets his independent and dependent variables all screwed up. IPCC skews data by not including all data or any data and parameters that don't fit their agenda. You would be hard pressed to prove the scientists in this documentary are driven first by a grinding axe other than simply interested in good science.

626 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:40:05am

623 Killgore Trout

the last 15 minutes or so had some really important stuff about developing countries.

A couple of us made some really good posts about that up above, too. I never considered global warming to be racist, but I do now.

627 Bobblehead  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:40:56am

Good morning? Did everyone remember to spring forward?

628 Dad 2 4  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:40:58am

#614 freetoken

#554 littleoldlady
Well, I think you are fairly well on your way to understanding more as long as you remain sceptical but not cynical. There is a difference...

Yeah, littleoldlady.
There is a difference! Duh!

but I'm not in Israel, I'm in the Far East.

Not Far enough.

629 MTNester  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:41:28am

I, for one, am so tired of the "global warming hysteria." How in the world do we move this discussion back to something more reasonable and thoughtful?

630 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:42:12am
631 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:42:49am
632 Dar ul Harbarian  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:43:06am

#543 freetoken

I have been following the climate debate for years and the video doesn't show much new. It does, however, get a message out that has been severly suppressed.

Screeching hysterics, silencing dissent, and tarring the opposition are a poor approach to thinking clearly, also.

633 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:44:48am

629 MTNester

You need to watch this film. We should all watch this film. In the time I've been reading LGF, I don't know if Charles has ever put up such a great and important film.

/Maybe Submission and/or Obsession

634 WriterMom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:45:45am

Global warming = zzzzzzzzz

635 MTNester  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:45:52am

Sharmuta

OK, going to watch the film now.

636 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:46:09am

Seriously- I'm watching it a second time.

/Back later

637 PrimePowerPro  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:46:46am

I'm probably wasting my time, since anything after 300 comments or so will be OT chatter, but can anyone tell me how to get/save/buy a copy of this that I can show to friends after this link expires? Thanks!

638 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:49:59am

The 'Surge' Is Succeeding

A front-page story in The Post last week suggested that the Bush administration has no backup plan in case the surge in Iraq doesn't work. I wonder if The Post and other newspapers have a backup plan in case it does.

Leading journalists have been reporting for some time that the war was hopeless, a fiasco that could not be salvaged by more troops and a new counterinsurgency strategy. The conventional wisdom in December held that sending more troops was politically impossible after the antiwar tenor of the midterm elections. It was practically impossible because the extra troops didn't exist. Even if the troops did exist, they could not make a difference.

Four months later, the once insurmountable political opposition has been surmounted. The nonexistent troops are flowing into Iraq. And though it is still early and horrible acts of violence continue, there is substantial evidence that the new counterinsurgency strategy, backed by the infusion of new forces, is having a significant effect. ...

...No one is asking American journalists to start emphasizing the "good" news. All they have to do is report what is occurring, though it may conflict with their previous judgments. Some are still selling books based on the premise that the war is lost, end of story. But what if there is a new chapter in the story?

639 Dar ul Harbarian  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:54:43am

#637 PrimePowerPro

I use VideoDownloader with Firefox for saving video. There are other tools that work, also. It takes a little research but it is a doable task.

640 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:55:34am

#637 PrimePowerPro

Here try this

641 Dar ul Harbarian  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:57:48am

regarding #639


There are other tools that work, also. It takes a little research but it is a doable task.

Another option involves letting the whole movie stream then going into the appropriote cache folder for your browser to find the temp file corresponding to the video, saving it as a .flv file and using and .flv player for playback

642 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:58:57am

#616 Killgore Trout - LOL! Watching those monkeys - especially the last scene - reminded me of my ole college fraternity parties. Man, wake up the next morning and there'd be bodies sprawled all over the house! LOL!
Thanks for that!
How are y'all this beautiful morning?

643 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 4:59:49am

#614 freetoken

I was going to write a long response to you, but #628 Dad 2 4 saved me.

LOL! Thanks, Dad!

644 ciaospirit  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:01:54am

Anybody remember when Sunday morning headlines didn't look like this? These are the only news headlines on my Yahoo page this morning, and I'm about sick of Islam.

# Suicide blast kills 32 Shiites in Iraq (AP)
# Islamic militants warn Austria, Germany (AP)
# Ahmadinejad wants to attend U.N. meeting (AP)
# Hamas, Fatah gunmen exchange fire (AP)
# Afghan violence kills 9 cops, 2 Taliban (AP)

645 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:02:29am

In the same vein, Trout

Drunk Monkey recipe

1 oz triple sec
1 oz banana liqueur
1 oz melon liqueur
1 1/2 oz cranberry juice
1 1/2 oz pineapple juice

646 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:04:06am

I noticed "The Great Global Warming Swindle" documentary included an appropriate passel of bikinis:-)

So did "Drunk Monkeys".

647 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:04:12am

Ciao, great point.

"Sigh"
Those were the days.

Lol, Tree Spirit Project

648 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:04:43am
649 stinkhorn  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:06:14am

I have been saying this for years, CO2 only goes up because of warming, which in effect activates the grouth of more life such as nitrobactor bacteria. This bacteria is one of the main components for the release of CO2 as well as converting nitrite to nitrate.

This bactrium is prevalent all over the world, in the oceans, forests, even the desert. Political retards are the cause of global warming spewing all that hot air from their rotten pie holes.

650 Dad 2 4  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:06:40am

#643 lol

It was my pleasure!

:)

651 ibew-con  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:07:47am

#614 freetoken

"I also rank climate issues ahead of Islam in importance, whether via Iran or KSA or AQ. "


It really matters what the weather is like when you have your head sawed off.

Give me a break.

652 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:09:16am

{BabbaZee}

Good morning!

653 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:09:33am

Very nice sand castles.

654 Yellowbeard  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:09:49am

I've watched this film and am sending this link to everyone I know, including my minister who preached a message of Environmental Stewardship in the wake of the so called scientific consensus of the UN. I almost walked out and afterward told my wife that I wouldn't attend a political church, we have moonbats in the family that attend All Saints Episcopal in Pasadena.

655 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:10:12am

Leftists are absolutely frightened of alternative points of view.


Leftists watched Al Gore's movie - and that's it. No more debate. They consider themselves self-righteously enlightened.

656 traveler59  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:10:33am

I have got to get a copy or transcript of this! I don't imagine the environazis are going to let this remain out in the public for long.

-Traveler

657 USA  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:10:36am

Someone (Mark Steyn?) should write a piece about how the new green is really the old red. Irene in NYC is correct: the part where the environmental terrorists started spouting off that "British corporations are some of the worst climate criminals" in the world and that "we have the right and the obligation to take them back, dismantle them and send its managers to rehabilitation training" tells me exactly what their real agenda is.

658 WarBicycle  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:10:52am

The poles are also getting warmer on Mars, what do they blame this on?

659 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:12:02am

#648 {BabbaZee} Morning Babba! How are you this fine day? Is it warming up in your neck of the woods?

660 grayp  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:12:23am

Back from my 3 hr coffee break.

If you want to read a cautionary tale about how scientific frauds are perpetrated, read Richard North's horrific tale about salmonella poisoning in the UK that was attributed - falsely - knowingly falsely - to eggs. 9000 poultry farmers went under.

It was some time later that I was able to assemble the evidence of the fraud and, thus armed, was invited to deliver my evidence to a major conference in London.

I was the last speaker of the day and my session chairman was a senior official from the Department of Health. He let the penultimate speaker run grossly over time so that, when my turn came to speak, I was told to speak to the timetable so that the conference finished on time. Thus, just as I was coming to the critical details, the chairman stood up and attempted to close the conference, precipitating a blazing row. But he prevailed, and the evidence was never heard from a public platform.

661 yah  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:12:45am

test

662 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:12:59am

#657 USA


Well....the Czechs get it:

Czech Pres: Environmentalism is a religion

WASHINGTON, March 9 (UPI) -- Environmentalism is a religion that is based more on political ambitions than science, the president of the Czech Republic warned Friday.

Speaking at the Cato Institute, a public policy think-tank, President Vaclav Klaus said that environmentalists who clamor for policy change to combat global warming "only pretend" to be promoting environmental protection, and are actually being driven by a political agenda.

"Environmentalism should belong in the social sciences," much like the idea of communism or other "-isms" such as feminism, Klaus said, adding that "environmentalism is a religion" that seeks to reorganize the world order as well as social behavior and value systems worldwide.

As for government spending on global warming studies, the former finance minister and of the Eastern European nation and trained economist said that such efforts were a "waste of money," adding that there was already sufficient scientific evidence for those seeking policy change to back up their proposals.

Meanwhile, he pointed out that those seeking to protect the environment could do a great deal under the existing political framework and with existing technologies, such as importing less goods from far-flung regions that require enormous jet fuel use.

Klaus concluded Friday his week-long tour of the United States, having met with a number of senior Bush administration officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney

663 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:13:24am

#654 Yellowbeard

I am so with you. I completely support envirnomental stewarship in terms of common sense non-wastefulness, but not nonsense.

664 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:14:18am

{GOTC}
{REAL}

It is warming up. We have a partially ice covered mudslide for a hill now, it's like the battle of Stalingrad out there LOL

665 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:14:22am

The biggest man-made change in climate will come after the islamics have nukes. There is no activation energy barrier in the way of the islamics putting nuclear weapons to use after they have them.

666 txlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:14:58am

#48 republic 3/10/2007 07:57PM PST

"Global Warming", the biggest scam in the entire history of mankind!

Second biggest! The earth is flat. That, I believe, percentage wise was bigger.
Same ilk. Must be from the same ancestry

667 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:15:19am

I'm still watching this in another window, but I can already seeing moonbat eco-terrorists and apologists having an internal climate change of their own over this.

The arguments and counter arguments presented in this piece remind me of "debates" [translation -- shouting matches] where my liberal/socialist global-warming-is-our-fault associates would resort to name calling rather than open their minds to the concept that they could be wrong. I would assert my position that the current world view on global warming being our fault might just turn out to be the equivalent of "the earth is flat and if you sail to the edge of the horizon, you'll fall off to your peril." I was informed that my position was the height of arrogance that I, an untrained scientist, would dare to challenge my betters on a subject that I clearly knew nothing about.

I always thought of them as the pot calling the kettle black.

668 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:15:58am

#653 St. Pancake - VERY NICE sand castles! Looks like a lot of 'em had a political theme, but they were all pretty well done!
Do you have a favorite?

669 whiterasta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:16:28am

The drunk monkeys remind me of the Canadian Senate.

670 Stinkhammer  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:16:32am

The money quote (for me) from the GGWS video:

"When I left Greenpeace it was in the midst of them adopting a campaign to ban chlorine worldwide. Like, I said, 'You guys, this is one of the elements in the Periodic Table, you know. I mean, I'm not sure if that's in our jurisdiction to be banning a whole element.'" - Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace

I now have no ass after laughing mine clean off.

671 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:17:49am

Yes, Real. Some were political, but I like the Puss n Boots one on page two. ( it could be him, no idea) There is also a cool Spartan soldier.

672 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:18:46am

#670

I now have no ass after laughing mine clean off.


I nominate that for a revolving title.

Oh the mental picture that creates!

673 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:18:59am

#654 Yellowbeard - Good for you! And welcome aboard LGF!

674 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:19:24am

Lol, rasta. Had not thought of that.
Hope you are having a good morning. :)

675 tankdemon  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:20:29am

614 freetoken

Hope that LGF will remember that it's a big world out there, and there are other serious issues in addition to Islamic violence.

But wasn't this video all about hirabahist thugs causing destruction?

676 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:20:39am

Blow it out yer ass, Baker.

Baker: High-level US, Syria talks needed

The Middle East has grown less stable during the presidency of US President George W. Bush, but dramatic improvements could be made by opening broad talks with Syria, former US Secretary of State James A. Baker III said here Sunday.

Once-pragmatic US relations with Syria have "gone downhill" in recent years, said Baker, who is in Dubai to oversee the expansion of the Baker Botts LLP law offices.

But he said the outlines of a peace deal between Washington's biggest Middle East ally, Israel, and Syria were clear and encouraged both sides to seize the opportunity.

"There's the deal. It's all spelled out," Baker said. "This is all by way of saying we need to engage Syria."

[CHOP]

677 mich-again  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:20:40am

I think its just as stupid to scoff at and ridicule all the climate change research as it is to believe every single bit of it. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

If there is a genuine build-up of CO2 then a natural self-correcting factor will kick in and restore balance. (for example, trees and other plants would benefit from the warmer climate and the extra CO2 in the air and plant life would thrive) But 6 billion humans aren't letting that happen. Heck we're still busy deforesting the planet to make room for more people and cropland. We'll never fix the carbon cycle just by reducing CO2 emissions, unfortunately the big climate change UN report that came out neglected naming deforestation in the 3rd world as one of the causes. Theres nary a mention of it except for a bland comment about land-use changes. I'm a cynic, so I blame the lack of attention to deforestation in the climate change debate on the fact that those nations are poor and the globocrats can't extort any ca$h from them, so instead the entire focus is on what the rich developed nations are doing.

But while the Gorebots and the UN and every other paid and volunteer pundit chirps in about how the build-up of CO2 might or might not affect the climate, the better and more important question is what the hell do we do about the 2 mile thick giant brown pollution cloud that resides over much of Asia and is slowly blotting out the sun and affecting crop production and rain patterns. This is some nasty shit and its not just a theory or a computer model.

678 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:20:44am

#658 WarBicycle - Probably on the Mars Rover and the various preeding Mars Probes. Doncha know EVERYTHING is man's fault and in particular, Western Man!

679 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:21:01am

WarBicycle,

The poles are also getting warmer on Mars, what do they blame this on?

Is that true, or did you make it up? ;-)

IF SO, then lessee...what do Mars and Earth have in common?

/thinking....thinking....
//sniff! sniff! do you smell wood burning?

Could it be...THE SUN?

/I am not a scientist, but I play one on TV

680 Dad 2 4  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:21:44am

#657 USA

You obviously haven't met nor been enlightened by...

#543 freetoken

For the rest of you who think it is all a commie plot - well, I don't know how to convince you that guilt-by-association is a fallacy and a poor approach to thinking clearly.

681 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:22:33am

4 shug

I saw this moonbat from PETA on glenn Beck earlier saying that all us meat eaters are causing global warming...
Just become a vegan, and save the earth!

Reminds me of what Ron "Tater Salad" White said. His vegetarian friend asked what he was doing to help save the planet from the evil cows and their global-warming-causing flatulance. Ron responded, "I'm eating the cows."

682 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:23:35am

#667 skippyMoment - Hey there you! Good to see y'all out here again!
How's life treating you and the BF?

683 lowandslow  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:23:35am

'Morning fellow lizards.

To those that don't frequent Hot Air you should follow this link, it's shows UPI reporter Pamela Hess talking about troop moral in Iraq. This is one reporter that goes out and sees for herself what's going on. It's powerful stuff.

UPI reporter gets emotional over Iraq
(note: use the update that says this "Update: Okay, here’s the clip that begins at 18:08 and runs a little past the 27:00 mark. It’s in WMV format.")

684 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:23:39am

Iranian Defense Minister in Syria

(IsraelNN.com) Iran's Defense Minister, Brigadier-General Mostafa Mohammad Najjar, is in Syria on an official visit, and is scheduled to attend talks with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

"Expansion of defense and military cooperation between Iran and Syria" was the focus of the first round of talks by the two countries' defense ministers in Damascus on Saturday, according to Iranian news agency Fars. The two ministers also "explored... ways of accelerating implementation of the two countries' agreements."


General Najjar arrived in Damascus Friday night on a three-day visit, and was given an official welcome by his Syrian counterpart Lieutenant General Hassan Ali Turkman. The visit follows Turkmani's trip to Tehran last June.

Report: Syria stations missiles along Israeli border
Syria has stationed thousands of missiles along the Israeli border, Agence France-Presse reported, relying on unnamed military sources who said the rockets are camouflaged or hidden underground and can strike at targets from the Kinneret (Sea of Galilee) to Haifa.

IDF officials responded that they have not noted any unusual activity and that Syria is not preparing to attack Israel. They said, however, that increased arms sales from Russia to Syria have brought back bitter memories of the Yom Kippur War in 1973. Then, top military and intelligence advisors convinced Golda Meir, who was Prime Minister, that her fears of war were exaggerated.

The day before the Yom Kippur War broke out on the Egyptian and Syrian fronts, "we received a report that worried me," the former Prime Minister wrote in her book 'My Life'. She gathered top officials in her office hours before the beginning of Yom Kippur and told them, "I have a terrible feeling that this has all happened before" - referring to the days before the Six Day War in 1967.

At the end of the meeting, the head of intelligence told her aide, "Don't worry. There won't be a war." Several hours later, Syria and Egypt staged a two-pronged attack that caught the country unaware and with its back to the wall.

[CHOP]

685 EmeraldLakeEyes  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:25:13am

REALWEST

luzbone IS zenbone.

686 SaneInMN  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:25:52am

Law and Order lost it a long time ago. Gun owners, and especially hunters, grew tired of their leftist message even in the shows infancy. However, the show and its spawn have come a long way, and the popular moniker "ripped from the headlines" now must be in reference to The Weekly World News or the NYT. They decided to blame the Jews...

From Atlas Shrugs
[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

NBC Slammed for 'Anti-Semitic' TV Show By Michael Freund

A popular US television series is coming under fire after a recent episode portrayed Israel in a harsh light and appeared to promote anti-Semitic stereotypes of Jews as disloyal citizens.

The plot line of the February 27 installment of Law and Order: Criminal Intent, a fictional police drama broadcast across America on NBC, centers on a journalist who is poisoned after his girlfriend uncovers a foul-up by Israeli intelligence.

The show depicts Israeli bulldozers destroying Palestinian schools, with at least one character referring to "Israeli brutality."

It also includes a Jewish police captain who agrees to cover up for Israel by shutting down a criminal investigation at the urging of the head of the local pro-Israel group.

In one scene, after Captain Danny Ross tells his officers to halt their investigation, Detective Mike Logan confronts him and asks, "Are you a Jew first and a cop second?"

After the episode was broadcast, the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) launched an e-mail campaign urging people to protest to NBC over the content of the program.

In a report appearing on the group's Web site, CAMERA noted that, "Damaging misinformation is being conveyed about Israel not just in news stories, but in popular culture items as well."

Asserting that the episode "fosters negative stereotypes of Jews as disloyal Americans and Israelis as brutes who demolish Palestinian schools and kill innocent civilians," CAMERA said that, "during this time of escalating anti-Semitism and anti-Israel animus, the show's executives have shown extremely poor judgment to promote such an anti-Jewish, anti-Israel storyline." The group encouraged people to write to NBC President Jeff Zucker, as well as the program's executive producers, to voice their concerns over its content.

Contacted by The Jerusalem Post, NBC sent a statement via e-mail, which said, "As you know, the program material on Law & Order: CI has traditionally addressed provocative, contemporary issues. Its 'ripped from the headlines' stories often spark debate on many controversial subjects. (Sane, Can any lizard remember L&O "ripping" a story from the headlines involving Islamic-based terror, or Russian assassinations by poisoning? Too many "headlines" to pick from, I guess.) As noted on air, the program is fictional and does not depict any actual person or event."

An NBC spokesman declined to respond to questions concerning allegations of anti-Semitism in the show's dialogue and plot.

687 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:27:05am

#680 Dad 2 4

It's not a matter of "plots"

There are very few "real" plots.

People have various self interests
Groups have various self interests

Like iron filings to a magnet they line up next to each other on the attractive thing that best serves their agenda

then.... it LOOKS like conspiracy.....
but it is just iron filings on a magnet drawn by natural attraction to the source that suits their composition.

688 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:27:28am

#660 grayp

When he arrived at the farm to conduct a field investigation, however, the epidemiologist had told the farmer's wife that, "I'm almost a hundred percent sure it was caused by eggs". He then proceeded to "prove" just that.

But there was a slight problem with his thesis. The event had actually been styled as a "paté party" and several home-made patés have been made by villagers for the event, one of which was made with chicken livers from a broiler flock. This, subsequently, had been found to be contaminated with exactly the same type of salmonella as had infected the guests.

Thus, when the epidemiologist carried out a statistical analysis of the data, using a technique called a "cohort study", three of seventeen people who had been ill had not eaten the ice-cream but had eaten a paté. In a private letter to the farmer, he was forced to conclude that the source of the infection "was impossible to prove epidemiologically".

The trouble was that it did not end there. Some months later, an outline of the investigation appeared in the authoritative Communicable Disease Report, attributing the source of infection to eggs, details of which were subsequently published in the equally authoritative Epidemiology and Infection and the British Medical Journal, later forming part of the official government evidence.

In the published account, however, there were important changes to the data. The epidemiologist had removed any reference to the sufferers who had not eaten the ice-cream and had re-worked the calculations, which now demonstrated a very strong statistical association between the consumption of a product made with raw shell-eggs and the illness.

On that basis, the outbreak was submitted as official government evidence to the House of Commons select committee investigating the affair and became subsumed, unchallenged, as part of the core evidence "proving" the link between salmonella and eggs.


Amazing.

689 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:27:37am

#677 mich-again

I think its just as stupid to scoff at and ridicule all the climate change research as it is to believe every single bit of it. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

Did you even look at the video? The CO2 argument is addressed and explained-- Algore and his ilk are not reporting the true relationship between global warming and CO2. The relationship they describe is CO2 causes warming, when in truth, the ice core samples revealed that CO2 levels elevate as a result of climate warming.

If haven't watched the video, please do.... with an open mind if you can.

690 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:28:28am

#568 WriterMom


St. Pancake there was some discussion yesterday about who "luzbone" was. I have no idea. Realwest, do you know?


Zenbone.

691 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:29:09am

#685 EmeraldLakeEyes
LOL never mind my 690 then

692 SouthTexas  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:29:22am

Finally some real rebuttal to the scam of global warming!

693 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:29:27am

Much needed rain, and a lone stronger cell moving into Gaines County from New Mexico, for West Texas.


BTW, when the GFS, about 5 days ago, started showing (and repeating every run) a low cutting off from the sub-tropical branch, and meandering over Texas, I was like "no way dude", as upper lows rarely cut off over Texas this time of the year, but all models agree, and obs are verifying, that a cut off low is developing that will meander over Texas for 3 or 4 days.

694 BenZacharia  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:29:35am
658 WarBicycle 3/11/2007 07:10AM PDT

The poles are also getting warmer on Mars, what do they blame this on

Did or did not, the USA send human tech to Mars?

That should explain it.
/

695 Random63  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:30:59am

Something is wrong. I can't get it to play past the first minute. Wonder if the problem is on my end (tested other videos and they work fine) or at google? I guess this is a video the moonbats don't want out.

Be safe and be well.

P.S. Did anyone find a way to save the video and could link up with me to send it?

696 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:31:15am

#679 littleoldlady

It is true that the data suggests Mars is warming. Therefore we don't have global warming; we have solar system warming. This correlates with this documentary.

697 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:31:37am

Free the Poles on Mars.

SOLIDARITY!

698 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:31:40am

#682 realwest

Hey buuudddeeee! Life is good. BF and I are doing great. I suspect he is still asleep. I should have gone to church, but the time change did me in this morning, so I'm playing on LGF and listing to that video instead. Guess I'll be going to the evening service tonight.

Good to see you back posting and on your shiny new computer!

{realwest}

699 Dad 2 4  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:31:57am

freetoken

See #687 BabbaZee

700 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:33:07am

#677 mich-again - Morning! Can't say as I belive the truth is somewhere in the middle when the entire environmental "discussion" seems to center more on politics than science.
As witness: your mention of that 2 mile thick pollution "cloud". While your link discussed Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, and Sri Lanka, IIRC, the nations that used to be the USSR (and in particular Russia) and China throw out about as much air pollution as ALL of the Western nations of the world. Why are Russia and China exempt from most environmental discussions, including the article you linked to?
I suggest we both know the answer to that.

701 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:34:26am

695 Random63

I googled the title of the film which provided the link to the film's website. Maybe you can download it from there.

702 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:34:48am

#677 mich-again

Why is the middle between incorrect and correct always righter than correct?

703 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:34:50am
704 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:35:10am

#642 realwest
I'm doing quite well. It's about time to empty my compost bins today. I'm not looking forward to it.

705 legalpad  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:35:21am

Regardless of what seem to be partial rebuttals of this excellent film, I am struck by the fact that only one side of this issue really wants to suppress debate. Only one side of this issue wants to silence their opponents. Why would anyone other than a liar want to silence any dissent from their view?

Here is another instance:
DDT: A Case Study In Scientific Fraud

706 Stinkhammer  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:35:47am

#683 lowandslow

That video is terrific. I've seen Hess interviewed before, and she strikes me as a fairly responsible journalist.

707 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:36:00am

#696 Roger,

Good grief! ROTFL! I guessed right! ;-)

708 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:37:57am

Okay, I know I'm going to come across goofy, but does anyone think that the switching of the magnetic poles influences climate change? I read that the poles switch every couple of centuries...

709 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:38:24am

#702 Roger
Because it enables you to be liked by both sides?
;~}

710 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:38:35am

#685 EmeraldLakeEyes - "luzbone IS zenbone." Well that would explain some things. But how do you know that (honest question here, no disrespect intended)?

711 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:39:29am

708 Goddess

Um... I didn't know Goofy was a climate scientist!

[ducks and runs to avoid a flying object]

712 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:40:34am
713 EmeraldLakeEyes  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:40:49am
#685 EmeraldLakeEyes - "luzbone IS zenbone." Well that would explain some things. But how do you know that (honest question here, no disrespect intended)?

Realwest..He said it.

714 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:41:12am

#710 realwest
Real he tells everyone upthread himself.

715 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:42:53am

#698 skippyMoment - Hey skippy - I'm sure glad to hear life is going well for you! I LOVE my shiny new computer, but it (as has every 'puter I've ever owned) confounds me in some ways. For example, it's XP, but it's nicnamed the Media Center Edition 2005 and it still won't play the video Charles posted! It's got almost every doohickey for video stuff I could imagine and has an enormous hard drive and over a gig of RAM and it still won't play that video in either Maxthon (my browser of choice) or IE 7. What's up with that?!

716 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:43:10am

#677 mich-again

Also your link on the giant brown pollution cloud:

The Asian Brown Cloud may be considered an extreme state of air pollution, but because it is caused mostly by millions of individuals simply trying to live their lives, stopping the Asian Brown Cloud at its root cause is difficult. While it is easier to target corporations, factories, and even car drivers to reduce their emissions, requiring several countries to change their people’s way of life is much more difficult. Individuals must change their ways, and only collectively will any difference be made. Furthermore, there is no moral argument to blaming people for using biomass for sources of energy. They are not trying to make a profit, or live more conveniently; they are simply trying to survive on a daily basis. Therefore, it is unreasonable to expect these people to give up immediate warmth and food only to possibly preserve the weather patterns of the future. Similar to many environmental issues, the predicament of short term versus long term consequences and effects also pertains to the Asian Brown Cloud.

This is the same thing this thread's documentary points to for problems in health nondeveloped countries and the the would-be result of going back to primitive living.

717 lowandslow  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:44:07am

#706 Stinkhammer
I love how she call those those committing the violence over there exactly what they are, evil.

718 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:44:29am

#714 BabbaZee - whereabouts up thread (I am NOT gonna search through 600+ comments to find it; he's not that important to me)? AND why the change of nic's?

719 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:44:47am

#715 realwest
I am not sure this is why but maybe you need FLASH PLAYER?

720 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:45:44am

#711 skippyMoment

No, but he's a planet expert; he knows all about Pluto...

721 lowandslow  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:46:44am

#717
I previewed and still didn't notice I had one to many those, cross one out, those.

722 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:46:57am

702 Roger

Why is the middle between incorrect and correct always righter than correct?

Really good question. It's related to why is peace preferable to justice in some people's eyes. It's based on the instinct that many have to split all disagreements down the middle, just to arrive at a quick resolution. Teachers do it all the time. It's a lot harder to decide that Johnny is wrong and Jimmy is right than to say they're both half-wrong, and both should be punished. It's just moral laziness.

723 TimeQuake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:46:58am

I've watched the first 13 minutes of the video.

Key words:

Censorship and intimidation

Media scare

Religion and those people who don't agree are heretics

Created for money for research

That about sums it up.

724 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:47:16am

#718 realwest

Just text search for zenbone. Jump you right to it.

725 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:47:20am

#704 Killgore Trout - can't you put it off a while? (realwest's answer to most "unpleasant" chores!).

726 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:48:30am

Real
Why does anyone here change their nic?
He wouldn't be nearly the first
Nor will he be the last.
All sorts of people you "know" are here under different names.

727 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:48:40am

swamprat - There are a number of manufacturers that make inserts that will fit into a fireplace that burn sawdust pellets. The pellets I use are made by New England Pellet [Link: www.pelletheat.com...] The insert I bought was made by Enviro [Link: www.enviro-fire.com...]
but this was just sort of a default decision on the brand because it was what my local installer sold. There are others out there that are perhaps more attractive or to you particular taste. They require about 5 min of maintenance per day to clean them out. You should also get a good hepa vac cleaner (e.g. a refurb Dyson) because the fly ash is quite fine and will go through the standard vac bag. The only thing special about stuff is that you do have to sleeve your chimney with some stainless steel flue for at least a while. The pellets burn under forced air at high temperature. More than just the stand fireplace flue is rated at. Ash from about 200+ pounds of pellets is about 1/2 of an old coal scuttle I bought, so combustion is damn near 100%.

The single fireplace insert heats my 2 story house reasonably until the temperature falls below 10 degrees. At that point, it comes up a tad short. But the way I figure it, anything that starves an Arab is a worthwhile sacrifice. It also isolates me to a large extent against crap like $15 ng that we had when Katrina happened. I do still use some gas to cook and to run the water heater, but it is substantially less than heating the house with it.

I enjoy the isolation from the stupidity of congress and the assholes in the ME. It would please me no end to get "off grid" entirely, but I doubt that will ever happen.

My dog thinks its the best thing that ever happened to him. He is currently lying in front of it content as a 15 year dog can be.

728 littleoldlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:49:17am

I'm Boney, I'm Boney, leave me aloney!

Okay. I've finally lost what few brain cells I had remaining after childbirth.

/I blame Daylight Savings Time
//and Global Warming, of course!

Good day, ALL!™

729 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:49:30am
Asian Brown Cloud

That sounds like a pr0n flik.

730 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:51:02am

723 TimeQuake

When you get to the end, you'll add:

Suppressing Africa

731 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:51:51am

#720 Gotc
You mean 134340?

..."WHEREAS, New Mexico state university and Dona Ana county were the longtime home of Clyde Tombaugh, discoverer of Pluto; and

WHEREAS, Pluto has been recognized as a planet for seventy-five years; and

WHEREAS, Pluto's average orbit is three billion six hundred ninety-five million nine hundred fifty thousand miles from the sun, and its diameter is approximately one thousand four hundred twenty-one miles; and

WHEREAS, Pluto has three moons known as Charon, Nix and Hydra; and

WHEREAS, a spacecraft called New Horizons was launched in January 2006 to explore Pluto in the year 2015."

Tombaugh used the Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Ariz. to first spot Pluto in 1930.

Pluto is now known by the number 134340.

New Mexico Lawmaker Wants to Re-Declare Pluto a Planet

The state of New Mexico could effectively secede from the astronomical community if a resolution to call Pluto a planet is passed.

Joint House Memorial 54 was introduced by representative Joni Marie Gutierrez, who represents Dona Ana County.

It states that Pluto, the recently demoted object, "be declared a planet and that March 13, 2007 be declared 'Pluto Planet Day' at the legislature."...

732 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:52:53am

715 realwest

I downloaded the Adobe flash player (from the link Charles provided) and it didn't work for me until I restarted my computer. Give that a try.

733 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:53:04am

#729 Earth2moonbat

Or a Frank Zappa lyric:-)

734 Dad 2 4  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:53:51am

#720 Goddess

he knows all about Pluto...

Just what are you trying to insinuate?

First, Bert and Ernie, now this!

735 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:54:53am

729 Earth2moonbat

The Ocean is a bigger sharmuta than I.

736 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:55:25am

#724 Roger - That's right, make ME work for it! LOL!
I did and saw it, thanks. How are you doing today?

737 Dad 2 4  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:57:39am

#729 E2mb

That sounds like a pr0n flik

Why would anyone make a film about big shrimp?

738 Geepers  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 5:59:26am

Wendya (#424),

Should we encourage death and disease in third world countries because of shoddy research and political motivations?

If it salves your great white guilt then Leftys agree: YES!

739 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:00:05am

726 BabbaZee

Why does anyone here change their nic?


I'm sure that question was rhetorical, but I'd guess they want to be free from past posting-baggage. Could be that maybe some were the attackers while others were the attackees,and they want a fresh start. Or it could be a prelude to sock-puppeting. Or maybe they just get tired of their nic and want something new. Or in the case of some, they want to keep posting here, but were banned for bad behavior or causing so much trouble.


720 Goddessoftheclassroom

Well, don't I feel Dopey.

740 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:00:08am

#736 realwest

Doing good; got a late start for some reason or other. Then had to wait for some laundry to dry being that I've never been fully domesticated; wait till desperate. Now at 11 ready to start my day.

741 Hot Rod Kid  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:00:48am

Somewhere in America- most likely California. After viewing this, a 40 year old Greenie reacts thusly:

“Cosmic rays, solar winds, water vapors, cloud formations, green house content, .054 per cent CO2, vast ocean volumes-. Stop it. You’re just trying to trick me with all this… this… this… science.

Oh, Father Al Gore, I beseech thee in prayer. Save me from these heretics, these devils of the multi-corporations, as I kneel before thy altar of Liberal Logic and humbly pray thy holy creed:
I do believe in Global Warming.
I do believe in Global Warming.
I do believe in Global Warming.
I do, I do, I do, believe in Global Warming."

Seriously:
Bravo, Charles. Thanks for presenting this.

742 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:01:00am

#723 TimeQuake

You forgot distoring the findings.

743 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:01:25am

#731 J.D.

If you can have state legislators who want to make pi=3, what do you expect?

/Can we say power drunk?

744 TimeQuake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:02:01am

Goddess

I don't know about that, but I have read that the magnetic poles position changes periodically.

745 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:02:32am

#739 skippyMoment

Correct it was rhetorical, LOL.

746 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:04:16am

#731 J.D.

What makes that kind of thinking really dangerous is when you put it together with the Religion of Climate™. They'll simply pass a law declaring a finding of fact that CO2 causes global warming, and it'll be settled.

747 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:06:38am
748 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:06:48am

#738 Geepers

Morning Geeps! {geepers}

And lefty-moonbatty-everything-is-about-me-being-bette r-than-you-as-long-as-I-get-to-control-your-life wackos are all about the "feel good" stuff because it doesn't cost them anything or inconvenience them in any way.

The video talks about how solar and wind power are the most expensive and unreliable forms of energy, and the envirowackos want to keep Africa or any other developing country from using anything but those "safe" forms of energy. Sounds just like the lefties to me.

749 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:06:52am

#743 Earth2moonbat

Trying to change the relationship between a circle's diameter and it's circumference? lol!

750 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:06:58am

I'm working on converting the AVI to QuickTime... If successful, I may link to it later.

Does anyone know what codecs that file FlyingDutchman linked to uses?

751 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:07:38am

Late morning greetings, all.

I see I missed some fun the past 20 hours. How's everyone doing?

752 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:08:35am

#732 skippyMoment - RATS! I can't get it to download - I unchecked the Google or Yahoo or whatever toolbar box cause I don't want it, then it said download time is less than 2 minutes on a 56k modem; I clicked install and five minutes later still nothing. I've had this problem with Flash Players before; guess they don't like me!

753 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:09:42am

Hey Jammie ~
Since we haven't been burned to a charred cinder by the sun yet today life is good.

754 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:10:13am

freetoken

I assume since you didn't answer my #622 that the answer was "no", but your silence suggests you are now. Good.

755 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:10:20am

I see there's no shortage of global warming hysteria stories today:

Warming Report to Warn of Coming Drought

The harmful effects of global warming on daily life are already showing up, and within a couple of decades hundreds of millions of people won't have enough water, top scientists will say next month at a meeting in Belgium.

At the same time, tens of millions of others will be flooded out of their homes each year as the Earth reels from rising temperatures and sea levels, according to portions of a draft of an international scientific report obtained by The Associated Press.

Tropical diseases like malaria will spread. By 2050, polar bears will mostly be found in zoos, their habitats gone. Pests like fire ants will thrive.

For a time, food will be plentiful because of the longer growing season in northern regions. But by 2080, hundreds of millions of people could face starvation, according to the report, which is still being revised.

Please.

756 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:11:23am

745 BabbaZee

I changed my nic to get away from relentless flamage. Helped a bit, but not enough. I'm guess I'm just skippy through and through, besides which I missed my "moments" so...

I'm back! [hold your applause, please, or at the very least, please don't throw cyber rocks]

757 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:11:30am

When are they gonna cut the shit and just leave time the hell alone?

Jump back, spring ahead my ass. Pick one.

Does anyone really know what time it is?

758 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:12:00am

Hi Babba,

I see it will be in the high 40s today. I better get the SPF 45 out.

759 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:13:42am

#722 Earth2moonbat

You raise an excellent point re peace vs. justice. I believe you can't have one without the other.

I teach junior and senior high school, so I don't have the same kind of discipline issues elementary teachers have. One thing I've discovered is that apologies are more important thant punishment (in most cases).

From the first day of school, I explain that I expect honesty at all times. The kids hold each other accountable for that--they know if they lie to me, someone will let me know.

760 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:13:52am

HILL: I'M THE JFK OF 2008

She thinks highly of herself.

Exit question: Who will be her Marilyn Monroe?

761 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:15:20am

#756 skippyMoment

I have no reason to throw rocks you that I am aware of, LOL.
Welcome back.

762 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:15:52am

752 realwest

This may require telephone support. But let's see if we can resolve this over the web. [apologies to other posters for wasting the posting bandwidth].

Did you go to this link?

[Link: www.adobe.com...]

Did you click Download Now?
Did it prompt you to click Install?
Did you click Install?

If yess to all of the above, reboot your computer. It should work for you.

763 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:16:23am

#739 skippyMoment - I understand most of the reasons you listed, but why would someone change their nic cause they were banned? Wouldn't Charles' software pick up the same IP addy anyway?
And I still don't don't why I can't install that stupid Flash 9, especially since I'm on broadband and it OUGHT to load faster than the 2 minutes Adobe estimates for a 56k modem.

764 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:18:05am

761 BabbaZee

Don't clap... just throw money! [preferably those nice soft $20s]. ;-þ

765 tankdemon  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:18:16am

754 Sharmuta
I took it to mean that he is no longer on the thread. It has been a couple of hours since he posted.

766 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:19:37am
#758 JammieWearingFool

Jammie I am thinking about going out on the Muddy Ice Floe in my flag bikini LOL

/That'll teach the neighbors!

767 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:19:54am

#762 skippyMoment - Yep I done did all that and all I get is this moving F across the screen - been like that for about 5 minutes now and still didn't see the movie or the text below.
Rats.

768 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:20:21am

I know these kids think they were being funny, but this was really stupid.

Since I know one of them, I personally feel embarrassed.

Think twice before you put something on the web.

769 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:20:27am

#743 #746 E2m
Don't you even have the smallest amount of sympathy for poor little 134340?
How can you be so heartless?

770 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:20:50am
771 DesertSage  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:21:24am

#760 JammieWearingFool

HILL: I'M THE JFK OF 2008


Hillary is the John F'n Kerry of 2008?

Yeah, I can see that...

772 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:21:42am

#763 realwest

Wouldn't Charles' software pick up the same IP addy anyway?

Not unless he specifically goes looking for it. And in some cases you have two people operating from the same IP addy (two working at the same company or two in the same house or building). Your IP doesn't uniquely identify your computer, only the router that it's connected to.

773 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:22:06am

#764 skippyMoment
All I have is $1.37 in coins and old subway tokens.
DUCK!

774 TimeQuake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:22:41am

730 Sharmuta

suppressing Africa

...check

742 skippyMoment

distort facts

...check

Still slowly downloading, but I like it. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around "censorship and intimidation". Damn scary if you ask me. "They" want power by whatever means it takes, lies, distortion and now it looks like extortion, with this carbon credit shell game.

775 Hot Rod Kid  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:23:55am

Remember back in the 70's, then the 80's, then the 90's whenever California had an earthquake, the MSM could always find a "scientist" who would predict that the next California quake would kill tens of thousands? Some even predicted that some fault line would split open and California would slide off into the ocean?

Hollywood even made a disaster movie back in the early 70's about some big Earthquake. I think they even introduced "SenseSurround" which I remember was big bass speakers in front of the theatre.

"An Inconvenient Truth" is Hollywood's disaster movie of 2006. And it didn't even have "SenseSurround." What a rip off.

I think the next step that liberals will take is castrate themselves, be celibate and wait for the Mothership to pick them up.

776 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:24:26am

763 realwest

Yes, Charles blocks the IP address to, but unless he is blocking aggragator sites, or if the person is on dial up and not assigned a static IP address, it is difficult to block that person. They can get a new nic, a new e-mail addy, and as long as they don't happen to get the same blocked IP assigned to them by their carrier, they can get through. That is unless our imperial and benevolent Lizard Master has a secret IP-blocking code to prevent that person from ever getting back through the gates of our Lizard underworld.

On your download issue, did you get the Install popup window? If you have a popup blocker enabled, sometimes you can by pass it easily, but you might have to add Adobe.com to your trusted sites (this is the part where phone support would come into play.

777 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:25:07am

#769 J.D.

I used to have a yellow lab named Pluto. Not the brightest critter to walk the earth. I'm glad I don't have any dogs now. Although most of my cats aren't too bright, either. Except this one, who'll beat you at chess.

778 txlady  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:25:44am

Sorry if this is repeated. I haven't gone through all the posts, but this just in from the moobat arena:
USA today
Climate report warns of drought, disease
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

779 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:26:05am

#773 Babba

I don't have the heart to take your last $1.37 in coins and old subway tokens. I think we can call this good. This way, I don't have to duck!

LOL

780 Right Brain  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:26:24am

Thanks Charles, a masterful eviseration of global warming propaganda.

From a 70's Global Cooling dupe.

781 Right Brain  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:27:26am

I've got it!


ISLAM IS BEHIND GLOBAL WARMING!

782 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:29:12am

#777 E2m
You named him Snotfisk?

783 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:30:03am

JD ~ ROTF, I was about to ask the same thing

784 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:30:49am

Hot Rod Kid,


That was the incredibly cheesy Earthquake, in Sensurround!

785 Geepers  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:31:00am

J.D. (#638),

Thanks for the link.

Not a lot of "quagmire", chaos" and "spiraling out of control" in the MSM any more is there?

And maybe this is why they're not just reporting the "facts" anymore:

Sadr City Area

December: 254 Murders 440 Total Attacks
February: 19 Murders 91 total attacks

786 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:32:04am

#776 skippyMoment -Huh, it never finished installing or at least it didn't play the movie and provide any written info which it said it would, and I can't find it anywhere in my program files, but now the movie plays! LOL!
BBIAW - gotta either watch or download movie from my (I don't know where it is, Adobe Flashplayer 9)!
BBI?

787 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:35:27am

#783 BabbaZee
Not that there's anything wrong with that...

#785 Geepers
Progress!
Who knew?

Sadr City Area

December: 254 Murders 440 Total Attacks
February: 19 Murders 91 total attacks


Where was that buried?

788 Obi-wan  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:36:24am

{LIZARDS}!

Don't expect these moonbats to go away no matter how thoroughly they are debunked. Michael Crichton is correct: This is a religion. How many failed ideas seem to have a life of their own and nebver go away? Remember the Nazis? Remember Communism? It never stops.

#776 {skippy moment}

Good to see you again!

789 mich-again  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:36:51am

702 Roger

Why is the middle between incorrect and correct always righter than correct?

I don't know what you mean by that. I was pointing out that while I don't believe everything the global warming crowd says, I think its just as extreme to disagree with every single point they make. And I oversimplifies things to say that one side is completely correct and the other completely incorrect.

But so it seems to go in the digital world. Everything has to be either a zero or a one.

790 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:37:01am
791 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:38:15am

#782 J.D.

You named him Snotfisk?

1. It's a her.
2. Doesn't everybody?

She has a lot of names, but that's not one of them.

792 rickl  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:39:39am
#775 Hot Rod Kid
I think the next step that liberals will take is castrate themselves, be celibate and wait for the Mothership to pick them up.


We can hope.

793 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:42:03am

774 TimeQuake

I also loved the former editor who said that basic journalistic standards have gone out the window.

This film is as much a dissection of the Global Warming theory as it is a condemnation of the msm propagandists that we will find.

/Gotta love two-fers

794 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:42:57am

#789 mich-again

I have a swindle for you. You only need to pay for half of it.

795 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:43:01am

#788 Obi-wan

For the hard cores, there's no such thing as debunking. Look at the blood libels, and the nonsense about the Ashkenazim being Khazars, and the Palestinians are Hebrews, etc. Facts are irrelevant to the true believers.

Or the 911 truthers. We're talking serious imagination over senses there.

796 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:43:27am

#791 E2m
Well, for that mangled ear, she has earned my respect, no matter what her name is.

797 Geepers  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:44:18am

Morning skippyMoment.

798 Geepers  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:45:32am

J.D. (#787),

Believe it or not it was actually a graphic on the NBC Nightly News report.

799 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:45:58am

#795 Earth2moonbat

Oh but you're just not looking for the middle between it all.

800 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:46:40am

#788 Obi-Wan

{obi-wan} Great to be back, but I have to leave now. I have oodles of cooking to do for the week. The BF is completely spoiled (I did my job well) and if I don't cook, he doesn't eat.

Lizard love to all.

Realwest... glad to hear the flash player is working for you now.

[bows, salutes, scoots out the door]

801 Obi-wan  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:47:38am

#795 E2M

Ain't it the truth!

Stop confusing me with facts, my mind is made up!

802 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:48:54am

#789 mich-again

While I don't believe everything the global warming crowd says, I think its just as extreme to disagree with every single point they make.

Extreme is inapplicable. Either the points are right individually, or they're wrong individually. If it so happens that all of their points are wrong, should we not say so, for fear of being branded "extreme"?

That's nonsense. The points either stand on their own or they don't. That's like saying that a Nazi who claims that the Holocaust never happened, and all Ashkenazim are Khazars, and the blood libels are all true, etc. can't be all wrong. The simple fact is that it is possible to be all wrong, and groups do that all the time.

So no, I'm not going to take the possibility that they're 100% full of BS off the table.

803 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:50:02am

765 tankdemon

I took it to mean that he is no longer on the thread. It has been a couple of hours since he posted.

Could be. Maybe they watched it and they are off thinking. Pretty rude, IMO, to snidely suggest to the posters who did watch it:

For the rest of you who think it is all a commie plot - well, I don't know how to convince you that guilt-by-association is a fallacy and a poor approach to thinking clearly.

After making a comment like that then watching the film- yeeeaaah, I wouldn't come back to this thread if it was me.

804 Goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:50:53am

Hmmm, doesn't Charles usually post a new thread by 11 AM?

805 mich-again  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:51:02am

794 Roger

You only need to pay for half of it.

Sweet. Is it tax-deductible? Do I get a bumper sticker with it?

806 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:53:36am

#805 mich-again

lol! No, Uncle Sam just wants his cut! But now a bumper sticker is a thought.

807 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:53:39am

789 mich-again

At the risk of sounding like a broken record may I ask- did you watch the film?

808 FrogMarch  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:54:41am

Charles,

You should keep this entry at the top all day.
(add new posts below)

Just a suggestion.

809 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:55:38am

#799 Roger

Oh but you're just not looking for the middle between it all.

The middle on some things is like the middle of the Grand Canyon. A little hard to stand on.

810 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 6:56:33am

Rats! I don't have the time right now to watch the whole movie - what I did see makes me want to watch the whole thing, Can anyone PLEASE tell me how to save it to my hard drive? (when I right click it, I don't get the "save target as or anything, all I get is "settings" and "about Macromedia Flashplayer 7".

IS there a way to save this to the hard drive?

811 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:00:31am

#808 FrogMarch

The thread's getting a bit long, but a swindle thread II wouldn't hurt.

812 St. Pancake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:01:18am

Real
I googled this, and came across this CNET page.

813 Geepers  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:01:48am

realwest (#810),

See Flying Dutchman's #243:

Follow up to my post #212

Just finished the download of the high quality AVI file

Quality is perfect as was download speed ! Go and get it here (575 Mb) !

814 Irene NYC  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:03:39am

Realwest,
Hi there sweetie! Hope you're doing well. ;)

To download this documentary, go to comment #243, upthread, by Flying Dutchman.

Everybody should watch the whole thing. Too bad it's not being broadcast here in the US.

815 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:04:02am

#811 Earth2moonbat - do you know if there's any way this film can be saved to one's hard drive (in case Charles doesn't or can't add it to the permanent "Resources" or other side bars on the left side of the page)?

816 easy  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:04:16am

realwest

IS there a way to save this to the hard drive?


See #212. You can also download it from utube I think.

817 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:04:40am

813 Geepers

How did I miss that?! I plan I showing this to moonbats non-stop- high quality will make it more bearable.

818 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:04:45am

#810 realwest

Go here. You may be able to download it from here.

819 Irene NYC  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:04:50am

Hi Geepers, you beat me to it!

820 loflyer  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:04:58am

Goddess, I believe Charles had a late night due to the registration upgrade. It might be awhile before he posts something new. Realwest, try looking in your temporary Internet files located in the windows directory. I got the download yesterday using Utorrent. It took three hours to download nearly 700 meg....

821 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:05:28am

#798 Geepers
Bully for them!
There's more here:
Operation Iraqi Freedom
Official Website of Multi-National Force - Iraq

822 shug  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:05:38am

Solar activity has kicked in in Detroitistan........which today is Irish

Sunshine
Guinness

life can't be better

823 NoSubmission  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:06:11am

Hi. Good morning everyone, or good afternoon.

Geepers, I just sent you an email but it bounced back. I just hit 'reply' so I don't know what happened. I'll try again.

824 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:06:34am

Typos! Maybe I should take a nap.

825 salt1907  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:07:00am

I think I have done my small part to fight the global warming hysteria by "keeping score" with some of the worst moments of the Winter of 2007. When the global warming hysteria is in its heyday this summer as the temperature hovers around 90 for a day or two, reread this chronicle and look at the photos so that you can recall that cold weather has happened recently and that we can't be swayed by some temporary warming trend in July. I don't normally like anecdotal evidence, but in this case, we must fight hysteria and emotion with photos and our own bitter memories.

826 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:08:43am

Boker tov, Lizardim.

Has the Madrid terror attack gone down the memory hole?
I Googled "3/11 Madrid" and came up with a lot of whacko conspiracy pages. WTF?

827 shug  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:09:40am

Charles,
Did you forget to spring forward?
Late night?

828 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:10:59am

Viva Bush

The President goes south and the media fawns over Hugo Chavez.

829 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:13:09am
830 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:13:26am

#813 Geepers - Morning Geepers! um, "Go and get it here (575 Mb) !"
here, where? I'm gonna try #243 but since you managed to successfully load it in excellent quality and download speed, would like to know where here is! LOL!

831 Dianna  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:13:34am

Are we all coping with DST?

For once, it's not making a complete mess of me. I hope others are managing as well.

832 mjazzguitar  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:14:14am

You might want to digg this, which I got from Atlas Shrugs: 76 Year Old Man Beaten by Muslim Youths

833 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:14:25am

#826 Who Watches the Watchmen?
Something at OpinionJournal today.

MADRID--Shrouded in white canvas, the memorial commemorating the March 11 terrorists attacks will be unveiled outside Atocha rail station here tomorrow, the third anniversary. Though the exact design is secret, the high glass structure is said to reflect light at different angles in tasteful tribute to the 191 lives extinguished that day.

It will be out of place in Spain. The aftermath of 11M--once eme, as that day is known in Spanish--has been anything but tasteful. If America unified following 9/11, Spain split along sharply sectarian lines within hours of the commuter-train bombings. An election swung from the ruling and favored center-right Popular Party, whose support for the Iraq war the left quickly blamed for inviting terror, lost to the anti-American Socialists. The Islamist architects couldn't have hoped for a better result in striking three days before polling day. But those traumatic events have been followed by others, shifting the course of Spanish history in ways no one then imagined possible.

The emotional legacy of 11M could be better appreciated a day before today's sober ceremony. An angry million or more were expected to march yesterday in Madrid against the sitting government's soft stance toward domestic terrorism. A fortnight ago, Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero let a Basque ETA terrorist serve out his reduced sentenced at home. José Ingnacio De Juana Chaos, convicted in the murder of 25 innocent people, had been on hunger strike.

His release on "humanitarian grounds" was, to critics, only the latest Zapatero outrage. The government last year opened "peace talks" with ETA; the prime minister holds out hope for a settlement with the terror group even after ETA ended its "cease-fire" and blew up a parking garage at Madrid airport in late December, killing two. Previous Prime Minister José María Aznar, who didn't run for re-election after completing two terms, says the Zapatero government did the Madrid bombers' bidding by immediately yanking Spanish troops from Iraq upon taking office, and appeased terrorists again by courting ETA. As the Iraq withdrawal was "an act of cowardice," Mr. Aznar tells me that the De Juana Chaos case "reflects cowardly behavior and lack of dignity." Strong stuff that goes well beyond the usual partisan jabbing in democracy. Socialists retort that the Aznarites are hypocrites who also released ETA prisoners in their day. (Mr. Zapatero has declined interview requests from the Journal.)

There's more. The Zapatero government has encouraged Catalonia, the Basque Country and other regions in this highly decentralized state to seek new autonomy deals that call into question the current constitutional order, and may be a stepping stone to the possible break up of Spain.

And, to complete the picture of a state divided, wounds from Spain's awful 1936-39 civil war and the subsequent four decades of General Franco's dictatorship that most people assumed were long healed were ripped open by Mr. Zapatero. In a break with previous Socialist rulers, he openly plays politics with history. Rusting Franco-era statues are ceremoniously torn down. The church and the so-called bourgeoisie--the enemies for the divisive Second Republic of 1931-36--have come under attack. Anyone on the right is, often by implication, a fascist. ...



Terror's Spanish Legacy
Three years after 3/11, the nation remains divided.

834 easy  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:15:27am

So is it spring back and fall forward or the other way?

835 lizardchick  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:16:12am

#810 Realwest:

See Comment #212

836 Roger  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:16:23am

#832 mjazzguitar

Middle ground would now be beating the Muslim youths? Ok, I'm now for finding the middle ground.

837 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:16:48am
838 DesertSage  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:16:48am

Maryscott O'Connor says that LGF'rs are a bunch of "Vile People".
She also rips the hell out of Kos.

839 lizardchick  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:18:35am

I've downloaded the .avi, but now I need to figure out how to burn that to a dvd. Any suggestions?

840 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:18:59am

Why won't DesertSage's #838 show up yet?

I'll bet Charles is up.

841 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:19:03am

Thanks all - I'm downloading it now! I really appreciate all y'all's help with this!

842 Dianna  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:19:51am

#833 JD

The Zapatero government has encouraged Catalonia, the Basque Country and other regions in this highly decentralized state to seek new autonomy deals that call into question the current constitutional order, and may be a stepping stone to the possible break up of Spain.

That does not strike me as a good idea. The break-up of Yugoslavia was bad enough; what's a break-up of Spain going to look like?

843 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:20:02am

There it is!

844 SCATTERSHOT  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:20:25am

Just want to say thanks for the opportunity to see this video for myself. I took particular notice of the Greenpeace man's characterization of the antecedents of many of the advocates for Global Panic.

845 Geepers  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:23:28am

NoSubmission (#823),

Thanks for the heads up. I fixed it and resent you. Should be good now.

846 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:24:13am

#838 DesertSage 3/11/2007 09:16AM PDT


Maryscott O'Connor says that LGF'rs are a bunch of "Vile People".


Am I supposed to know who she is?
~ Vile Person

847 mjazzguitar  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:24:15am

45 internet café bombings in Gaza since December 1 The muzlims say that the internet is keeping people away from "religion".

848 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:25:40am

Hey, thanks to all y'all for your help. I'm downloading it now.
BTW, to re-access LGF, I had to rely on my IE (which I hate with a passion) and got a google warning in red at the top of the page that says "This Web page is probably a scam. Proceed with exteme caution." WTF is THAT all about?!

849 Dianna  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:28:52am

#838 Desert Sage

Bitter, isn't she?

Well, that's not fair. I've rather admired Maryscott's ability to call her own side out; but whenever I read or hear her, I keep thinking (quoting someone else), Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies.

850 mjazzguitar  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:28:52am

#836 Roger 3/11/2007 09:16AM PDT


#832 mjazzguitar

Middle ground would now be beating the Muslim youths? Ok, I'm now for finding the middle g

round. If it starts happening here, us and about 20 million other people.

851 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:29:14am

#842 Dianna
It sounds like the beginning of the end of Spain as we know knew it.

Kos is centrist?

BabbaZee, I guess we're the last to know that we're vile.
:shrug:

852 bos  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:30:03am

OT
Jerusalem's 'Rosa Parks' Fights 'Modesty Patrols'
[Link: www.npr.org...]

A group of Israeli women are fighting back against what one called "Taliban-like" Jewish fundamentalists who order women to sit in the back of the bus and to abstain from wearing "immodest" clothing on public bus lines.

853 TimeQuake  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:30:18am

623 Killgore Trout

Thanks, that should really help, broken down. Been disconnected twice, already.

793 Sharmuta

/Gotta love two-fers

LOL

854 vxbush  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:30:33am

Ugh....morning, folks....

855 DesertSage  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:30:37am

#846 BabbaZee

Maryscott is the extreme Leftist that runs My Left Wing.
She's been profiled around here in the past. Total nutcase!

856 mjazzguitar  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:31:49am

Picture of the 76 year old beaten by non-Baptists.

857 J.D.  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:32:09am

Well, I do feel a twinge of grim satisfaction that they're after one another...

Is that vile?

858 Midwestprof  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:32:42am

I just watched this through. In one of my classes last week we watched Gore's An Inconvenient Truth. As I posted before about my students' opinion of Gore's movie: "What B.S."

We're back at it from a week off for Spring Break starting tomorrow. I'm trying to get the the students in two student organizations for which I'm the advisor to have a movie night. I want them to show Al's movie and this documentary. Should be an interesting evening since we have an Atmospheric Sciences Department on campus (of which my wife is a member and PhD).

I need to appoint someone to track down a popcorn machine!

859 Geepers  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:33:32am

J.D. (#821),

As the cached weapons dry up so will the IEDs.

Some of the military analysts say they're in a use it or loose it mode right now.

How long before Baghdad has a lower murder rate than Philadelphia?

860 jjmckay1216  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:33:55am

Anyone else see this?

Edwards' Video Trick Exposed

Posted Mar 9th 2007 8:04AM by Coates Bateman
Filed under: Politics, Elections, Democrats

It seems like typical political sleight of hand. Nothing egregious. But, the Slate folks had some fun with it. Good analysis in the video... check it out. You can go directly to the article here.

[Link: newsbloggers.aol.com...]

861 mjazzguitar  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:34:25am

#842 Dianna 3/11/2007 09:19AM PDT


That does not strike me as a good idea. The break-up of Yugoslavia was bad enough; what's a break-up of Spain going to look like?


Depends what religion they are.

862 Geepers  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:35:10am

vxbush (#854),

Ugh....morning, folks....

Too much chocolate last night huh? ;-)

863 vxbush  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:35:59am

862 geepers

I wish. I started throwing up at 2AM yesterday and it only went downhill from there.

864 swamprat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:36:26am

Shr-Nhr...thanks for the info

865 tankdemon  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:37:01am

859 Geepers

How long before Baghdad has a lower murder rate than Philadelphia?

Philadelphia might be a while, but Detriot and DC should be anytime now.

866 swamprat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:39:14am

deseeded.....your toe-fu is strong......./old karate movies

867 Geepers  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:41:31am

vxbush (#863),

That sucks.

868 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:43:18am

#855 DesertSage
Good then it is well that she thinks I am vile.

869 Sharmuta  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:44:41am
Maryscott O'Connor says that LGF'rs are a bunch of "Vile People".

Come on, Lady. Don't you know we're all in rehab?

870 mjazzguitar  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:45:33am

#863 vxbush 3/11/2007 09:35AM PDT


862 geepers

I wish. I started throwing up at 2AM yesterday and it only went downhill from there.

Also known as the technicolor yawn, making love to the porcelain goddess.

871 Lawrence Schmerel  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:49:22am

Thank you, Charles. That was a very good documentary. Too bad there will be no possible academy award for it.

872 vxbush  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:49:56am

870 mjazzguitar

True. But does that phrase cover both....ends, shall we say? Because I basically had to sleep in the bathroom all day. Any time I wasn't sitting on the throne, I was curled up in a heap.

873 tankdemon  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:52:01am

867 Geepers

Since mjazzguitar opened the door to crudity, let me follow and reply to you telling vx "That sucks" by saying, Actually, what it really does is blows (chunks.)

874 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:52:42am

#852 bos

Let me know when the "taliban -like" Jews on modesty patrol start beating whipping beheading and shooting the women.

THEN they will be taliban-like.

The comparison is RIDICULOUS


/talk about exaggeration

875 rickl  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:53:38am

I downloaded the movie from the link at #243, but when I tried to play it I got a message that some necessary software was missing. I clicked on that link and there was a list of about a dozen downloads. There was no indication of exactly what I'm missing. Does anybody know?

876 BabbaZee  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 7:55:10am

Not to mention enforced clitorectomies.

Ya

JUST LIKE THE TALIBAN.

877 jjmckay1216  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:05:08am

maybe she took one of those evelyn wood speed watching courses

HHAHAHAHAHA

or the "Evelyn Speed EOOD Watching" Course

JJ

878 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:13:01am

#875 rickl - huh? I'm about halfway through downloading it (after making sure it played at #243's link) what software choices does it offer you?
IIRC, somewhere not far upthead from here, Geepers said he downloaded it from that same link and got a beautiful clear copy of it in avi format - is that one of your choices?

879 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:17:55am

#813 Geepers - please see #875 rickl's comment - I'm still downloading the sucker, although the transfer rate is down to 47.5 but while window indicates close to 1/2 finished, it's sure taking a LOT longer than I thought.
Do you have any ideas for rickl?

880 Earth2moonbat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:23:36am

#874 BabbaZee

What bos conveniently overlooks is which side of the issue the law is on.

881 pat  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:24:28am

I can't believe the bandwidth Charles has dedicated to this. Fantastic. I hope he got a lot of trackbacks.

882 Geepers  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:27:01am

realwest (#879),

Couldn't say.

And how fast do you think 600 meg should download?

That's like two dead threads. ;-)

883 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:35:47am

I've successfully converted the AVI to QuickTime, but the file size increased from 575.9 MB about to 1.44 GB. I'm making a zip file now, to see how much I can compress it.

884 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:38:56am

#882 Geepers - don't know how long, actually. Just do wonder why the transfer rate was 56+ k and is now at only 43k. Course I don't understand this at all and just hope AVI plays on my machine! LOL!
Also can't believe it's such a glorious day out and I'm sitting here waiting for this movie to load! LOL!
Well, priorities and all that!
How are you doing today - must be at least decent weather up by you, no?

885 Rufus Lee King  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:40:10am

Now that Bush has reached an agreement with Brazil on Ethanol-powered vehicle advancement, the LeftMedia is already decrying its harmful effect on corn prices.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Its only a Bush-Haliburton scheme to deny tortillas to the poor, you see. Al Gore will be flying some relief tortillas in on a C-130 forthwith.

886 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:41:15am

#883 Dar ul Harb - Hi Dar! Um, how did you convert AVI to Quicktime (which is one of my video formats)? And I don't need to compress since my new puter has a 250 gig
hard drive!

887 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:41:40am

#882, Geepers:

And how fast do you think 600 meg should download?

On my not-top-speed DSL (< 1.5 Mbps) last night, I got the AVI in 1:09.57.

888 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:47:12am

875 rickl and realwest

On the same page, download the google video viewer and that will correct the problem.

889 Geepers  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:47:49am

realwest (#884),

Yeah it's a nice sunny spring day up here.

Keep at it, you'll get it.

890 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:48:58am

#886, realwest

how did you convert AVI to Quicktime

I used my mediacenter PC and a product called AVS Video Tools, under Windows XP. It took several hours to do the conversion though, as I've only got a 1133 GHz Pentium III in that machine.

And I don't need to compress since my new puter has a 250 gig hard drive!

Well, I'm wanting to compress the file to save on bandwidth (upload and download speed) in case I put the Quicktime version up on a server.

891 skippyMoment  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:49:24am

Anyone notice the timestamp is wonkie? My computer says it is 1:48pm, but the timestamp above is 10:47am... guess we post on P-DST. Man... it has been a while since I posted...

892 realwest  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:52:42am

#888 skippyMoment - On WHAT same page?! I've just got a dialogue box showing progress of downloading.
Man if I waste all this time and can't view it as an AVI, on my MS "Media Center Edition" XP, I'm gonna be sooooo
PISSED OFF!

893 Idle Drifter  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:56:39am

66 Killgore Trout

Funniest videos I ever seen, these idiots obstruct public causeways, cheering at the end of the second video because they manage to stop a truck delivering gasoline. Then bitch about how this is America when the police break up their illegal activities. I loved it when they pulled out wooden pallets across the road as if that was to be some kind of barrier. Still, I can’t stop laughing that they thought water would make it worse to get the tear gas crap out of their eyes, especially when one guy said you should use vinegar. Water in large quantities and flowing is the best remedy for most chemical exposures even against acid.

894 Brees  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 8:59:57am

#66 Kilgore Trout

Didn't hear about this Tacoma thing. What are the protesting? Anything George W. Bush related? Love the part 2 video. They obviously do this on a normal basis, since they describe either using maylox or vinegar, depending on if they are teargassed or maced.


Back to the BBC4 documentary. A very good counter to the likes of Algore and the other enviro whackos.

I found that the bits from the former founder of Greenpeace, made it that much more interesting.

Of course, anything from the other side will be name calling. Even if it is tolerant and diverse. That's what they claim to be, right?

895 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Sun, Mar 11, 2007 9:03:25am

An interesting point made in this video is that Margaret Thatcher in 1988 in a speech to the Royal Society first started the ball rolling on the man-made CO2 is the cause of global warming theory. Reason was that she didn't trust the coal miners who were striking or the middle eastern oil suppliers for providing energy security to the UK. If fact, it alleges that her real agenda was to push the development of nuclear energy.

Link: [Link: www.margaretthatcher.org...]


For generations, we