God Save The Queen.
And the Brits. They really need divine intervention.

...closure of the embassy, calling it a “den of spies”.

I seem to recall another embassy being called the same. Time to either bug out, or beef up security.

Let every Brit hear this far and wide: We Americans are disgusted and embarrassed at the British government's (lack of) reaction to this act of war.

It is quite clear that this crisis is designed to drive a wedge between the UK and the US on Iran. An apology from the UK and the subsequent promise not to enter Iran's waters pretty much excludes them from action against Iran when the US or Israel strikes.

The only hope I hold now is that Britain promises the world to the Iranians, and after the sailors are returned, they proceed to ignore every concession they made to Iran. Hey, if one country is going to try underhanded tactics to manipulate another country's foreign policy, then that country can ignore the standards of decency within diplomacy and lie through their teeth with "promises" they have no intention of keeping. What is Iran going to do, start a war?

Bush demands that UK hostages be release at once. Blair apologizes.

what will they do when the special envoy is also taken hostage?

Actually, the story says Britain is NOT going to apologize. They will, however, promise never to trespass in Iranian waters knowingly.

It's just a quibble in the larger context of cowardice and inaction.

4 Globular Cluster 4/01/2007 11:17:41 am PDT

Bush demands that UK hostages be release at once. Blair apologizes.

Clearly Bush is the evil one.

/sarc

Watch out, America!
This is how you will look and act ten years from now if you keep voting in office socialist bottom feeders like Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, Feinstein, Schumer and the rest of cut and run, surrender monkeys.

A "den of spies" is what they called our embassy at the time our diplomats were taken hostage.

I hope those protecting the British Embassy have stronger rules of engagement than their sailors have.

#4 Globular Cluster

Bush demands that UK hostages be release at once. Blair apologizes.

Like running a race with one foot stuck in a bucket of concrete.

Another "Peace in our time" moment... When does WW3 start again? 9/11/2001? What 1979? Oh...

For once I am speechless. How could a country where I have lived and still have family become such PUSSIES. Damn they might as well be French.

STOP ISLAMIFESTATION NOW! if you don't want to be screwing goats in the near future

The move, which was discussed at a meeting of Whitehall’s Cobra crisis committee yesterday, came as Downing Street officials explicitly cautioned against hopes of a speedy outcome and said that families of the hostages should prepare for the “long haul”.

Even groveling at Ahmenukejihad's filthy stinking feet is not expected to "resolve" this "dispute" in a timely fashion? WTFF?

Thanks to 3 generations of the Nanny State, Napoleon's "nation of shopkeepers" insult has come true.

Ministers are preparing a compromise deal to allow Iran to save face and release its 15 British military captives by promising that the Royal Navy will never knowingly enter Iranian waters without permission.

WTH?! Placating thugs never works. If they'd been bombed last week this would not have happened. Britain is making their own noose, and they will string it up themselves, and they will put it over their head themselves, and they will jump themselves...unless they stop it NOW.

That's not a mob!
(hint: It's a mob when they climb the fence and take the embassy... which might happen soon unless the submission comes quickly enough...)

Dinnerjacket wins.
Blair loses.

Islamofascism chalks up a victory.
Western liberal democracies get a black eye.

The beheaders are emboldened,
The liberals are cowed.

A dark day in the war.

To save fifteen we sacrificed 10 times that many at some future date.
To save fifteen we sold our souls.
The mad mullahs learned our price.
For 15 souls we sold out.
For 15 souls we capitulated.
For 15 souls lost a bit of our liberty and future.

Next time it will be 150 souls, and we sell our liberty and future again.

A dark, dark day indeed.

Our government is sickening. Believe me when I say that most people here in the UK do not want to sit back and be "diplomatic". We want our people back home. A Sky news poll showed that 69% of respondents believe that diplomacy will not work.

This government and their weak, lily-livered, placating dhimmitude do NOT speak for the majority of the British public.

Ministers are preparing a compromise deal to allow Iran to save face and release its 15 British military captives by promising that the Royal Navy will never knowingly enter Iranian waters without permission.

What Dinnerjacket NEEDS is a big dose of humiliation, so he doesn't pull this crap ever EVER again. And - well, jcm said it all.

The move, which was discussed at a meeting of Whitehall’s Cobra crisis committee

I think they need a new name. Pansy crisis committee? Poodle crisis committee? Ostrich crisis committee?

Let this be a lesson for the U.S. Navy. If any U.S forces are assaulted, and attempt-to-capture is most assuredly an assault, the attakers will be met with all possible resistence. No surrender, and whatever port the assault came from will be leveled. This policy needs to be announced by the President, perhaps it might shame the British into some honorable reactions. Also, where's the list of names and ranks of all 15 of the kidnapped British forces? We only have the names of the 2 that have cooperated with the thieving criminal organization known as the Republic of Iran. I can find nothing on Google about the names of the othe 13. If we can find these out, I think Charles should have of "List of Honor" of the British sailors and marines that are not talking or collaborating in any way with the Persian enemy. You know they are all being put under tremendous treats and some real torture. Only 2 have caved so far, which mean the other 13 are keeping quiet. They should be honored.

Yet another of a series of bad days for Western liberal democracy. The West is in full fledged dhimmi mode and cannot apologize fast enough. Whatever happened to the time that the British navy ruled the world?

Humm, where have I see this before....no...no...don't
tell me.

This. Pisses. Me. Off.

DJ Shafer

I think you are being rather narrow-minded regarding whether or not the sailors are collaborating. How ridiculous of you. These people are under immense pressure, we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, who is being tortured or how.
How dare you say that the ones who have been forced to talk have caved. The name, rank and serial number is long gone, and hostages need to do whatever is necessary to stay alive. We don't know if any of them are being threatened with the death of another should they refuse to speak.

They should all be honoured, they are behaving with dignity in a very undignified position, and I for one, as a Brit, am extremely proud of each and every one of them and hope to see them home safely.

Just exactly what side are you on?

Worth repeating.

Seriously, the west needs a leader with balls that clank. We need somebody that can just walk up, pull out his man-root and use it to push the button on that miserable f**king shithole and then giggle over a shot of JD. Nothing less will save the planet from these animals.

Hey, D J Shafer-

Would Turkish Delight be one of those "tremendous treats"?

Just asking.

Britain is going to make a statement that allows Tehran to save face? Oh, that one is rich. Tehran is pretty much jerking Britain around like a puppet, and Britain is going to let Tehran save face?

The government of the UK is being humiliated on the world stage, and all Tony Blair can worry about is not hurting Tehran's feelings. Isn't socialism and appeasement just grand?

I suppose this is the big question: if the vast and mighty government of Great Britain bows and grovels before the mullah's, will that result in the return of the hostages? If I were Iran, I wouldn't settle for an apology when they can get so much more- who knows, by the end of this, perhaps the UK will end up funding Iran's completely peaceful nuclear program. You know, in the name of "multicultural harmony."

Londonistan first, Ameristan next.

Put the blame where it belongs: 1) Iran thugs that murder/manipulate and 2) Brits ROE's

Listen to the previously tortured iranian hostages and you just may have a slice of sympathy.

After they get those soldiers back the gloves need to pound Iran regardless of what was promised and people who told the backup crew not to fire on Iran in order to not start trouble...need to be hauled off to jail.

Maybe some Canadastan in between.

MAybe the Brit could turn over the contol of the Britsh Islamic Isles and save some time...

Today more than ever, we need men like, Thomas Jefferson, William Eaton and 1st Lt. Presley Neville O’Bannon (...to the shores of Tripoli) to put an end once and for all, of hostage taking in the high seas by these vermin.

Fools.

This is a sad coda to the history of a once great and proud tradition...as Arthur Herman so masterfully explained in his "To Rule the Waves"...the British Navy really did help shape the modern world...ended the slave trade (at least at that time) and maintained freedom of the seas. Hawkins, Drake, Nelson, Fisher, and the brave men who sailed in all those ships on all those seas are turning in their graves...BTW, "To Rule the Waves" is an excellent read.

Call me a fool, and many do, but I don't see this an apology at all. Britain is only saying it doesn't plan to veer into Iranian waters without permission -- the same thing it would have said before the hostages were ever taken. So the Brits are just re-stating their position.

Matter of fact, they said so outright:

Defence officials emphasised that they were not preparing to concede that the two British boats detained nine days ago were at fault. But one said: "We are quite prepared to give the Iranians a guarantee that we would never knowingly enter their waters without their permission, now or in the future. We are not apologising, nor are we saying that we entered their waters in the first place. But it may offer a route out of the crisis."

Serves those English wankers right, maintaining an embassy in Teheran. Any country that does, deserves to get it attacked.

It's like wearing a meat vest in a hyena's cage and bitching when you get jumped.

I'm going to be sick.

I wonder if it is true that sharks can smell blood. Are there any shark hunters in the house?

BTW, speaking as a non-Brit, it seems to me it is 100% up the voters of the UK to decide if they like their present governement or not. In other words, I have no real criticisms about Blair et. al. - they have to answer to their own citizens.

What I do wonder about, though, is how the concept of NATO is being transformed - if the UK really wanted to involve the military and asked other NATO members to contribute something... I wonder what would happen.

#24
I'm not condeming the 2 that have cooperated, I'm not there and have no idea what they've been put through. I do think that the 13 that have not played ball so far says something very important about them. You only get your name and rank released when you can be presented as a victim by the press? Why doesn't the British government release all of their names?

Funkyfantom

So you are saying I deserve to be killed because my government chooses to have an embassy in Tehran?
For God's sake, get a grip and try and understand the way the world works.

I was actually surprised to hear that Britain had an embassy in Iran. I would have thought that the west would not have embassies in rogue nations. It isn't smart or good strategy.

Shows you how much I know about foreign policy.

#36 Cognito

Now, now.

Let's not be adding positive, logical thinking into the mix along with all the gloomy defeatism and outright schadenfreude. You know you'll just upset someone.

;-/

Prince Charles, along with his sons, should lead an assault on Iran, nuke Qom, destroy the atomic facilities, wipe out the existing government, and declare himself the rightful King of England.

Why does March of the Cambreadth keep playing in my mind ?

Michael Savage has it right: "There is no England anymore."

The nearest analogy I can see as to where this is going is the Hamas hostage-snatch from last summer. Following that script, we will bomb a few empty buildings, Iran will "survive", proclaim a victory and popular support will rally around the dinnerjacket.

The key point here being that we won't decapitate the leadership responsible for the incident--just like Israel didn't last summer--and it will be empowered and emboldened.

42 Highrise,

I was actually surprised to hear that Britain had an embassy in Iran. I would have thought that the west would not have embassies in rogue nations.

Some would say that places like Iran are the places we, the West, need embassies most. It makes sense, when you bear in mind the function of an embassy in a place like that. It's not there to serve high tea.

#44 biff

It's rumored that Prince Charles has already converted to Islam.

MISSING:

One set of balls with matching spine, previously belonging to the United Kingdom. Lost around 10 Downing Street, London. U.K. If found, please contact M. Thatcher.

Thank you for your time. We now return you to our regularly scheduled prostration.

Many of us here at LGF and all around the blogosphere have been complaining of the 'demise' of Europe and especially Great Britain for some time. We cite references in the news that illustrate the apparent coming dhimmitude and idiotic PC gestures of 'understanding'.
But truthfully we, in our heart of hearts, hoped this rhetoric was not true, and it would spur the Europeans into some kind of action for self survival before it was too late.

I say this now with great tredipation - if England 'confesses' to anything, or gives the evil criminals in Teheran any form of danegeld, they are well and truly done. This is a defining moment for the British, as grave as Sepetember 1941. If they cave in to the mullahs, thier own islamic population will never fear the government. The internal 5th column will march.
England is the spine of europe, if it crumbles all of Eurpope is doomed. The stakes are that high.

For what it's worth, my take is that Iran wont let diplomacy work with regards to the hostage situation, as much as Britain and the EU want it to..

because the mullahcacy wants overt aggressive action so their retaliation (awakening sleeper cells around the world, attack on "Zionist entities") is seen as a defensive action by muslims.

Britain is a nation of eunuchs

the march of war...

/FT

Well I was annoyed at the Telegraph's silly remarks that the US is unconcerned by this. The US should have kicked the mullahs to the curb many years ago during another hostage crisis....we should do it now.

No, I don't think the brit sailors should be sacrificed for this...but if it gets worse we should not take the same lame appeasement path Carter favored. Wel should pound them til they surrender unconditionally..

Maybe we should install Ann Coulter as their Queen

I think the situation goes beyond simply trying to get Britain to kowtow to the Iranians and to ridicule the British on the international stage. That's part of it.

Another part is the way the Iranians are trying to get the British to apologize for being in Iraqi waters. The Iran-Iraq border in the Shat al Arab waterway is set, and if the British concede that their position was in Iranian waters when it wasn't, that puts the Iraqis at a disadvantage going forward as the waterway is their only terminus on the Persian Gulf.

This is all part of a grand strategy by the mad mullahs to push the boundaries - literally and figuratively on what they can get away with.

Ministers are preparing a compromise deal ... by promising that the Royal Navy will never knowingly enter Iranian waters without permission.

of course this deal is null and void in case of western strike on Iran ... well, maybe not

ElKafir 4/01/2007 11:12:40 am PDT

God Save The Queen.
And the Brits. They really need divine intervention.

Too bad they've run Him out....

September 11, 2007 STOP ISLAMIFICATION OF EUROPE
Venue: European Parliament

sioe@siad.dk
tel: 45 96 771 784
Anders Gravers, coordinator SIAD (Danish organizers)

sioe.nsh@btinternet.com

www.akte-islam.de

So all Tony has to do is kiss some ayatollas butt,call it icecream and that'll put an end to this? I don't think so.Iran will play this out for as long as they see a benefit to themselves and not before. Sidebar: When they pull their staffers out that will be a clear indication the hammer is about to come down. I got ten bucks that says those embassy paper shredders have been going 24/7.

Please, people, THINK.

No one is yet realizing what is really going on here.

This is the opening gambit in Iran's spring offensive. They have planned this out like a chess game, with several moves and countermoves, several steps deep, with all the variations. This has been in preparation for months. There is nothing random about what is happening. (Except, of course, the exact speed of the British collapse.)

This is going to expand, and to go on for a long time. Keep in mind that Iran knows exactly what they are doing, and they are doing it because they intend to. I'm sorry, but those nice young British men and woman are not coming home anytime soon. In fact, it is very possible they may not be coming home at all. Do not hope for compassion from the mullahs.

The Iranians are craftier for evil than we are wise for good. Put yourself in Iran's position, and think. Consider it a game for a moment, without any fear, without any pity. What strategy could you come up with for the most aggressive advancement for Shi'a Islam?

Here's one question for debate: why is Iran acting so cocksure? What do they know that we don't know?

So I'm going to play devil's advocate for a minute and assume the British are doing more than being good little dhimmis because they're scared of Iran.

Mario Loyala pointed out in an editorial at National Review a few days ago that the US currently has two aircraft carriers, the USS Stennis and USS Eisenhower, in the gulf. This represents the largest US naval buildup there since 2003. In a few days, the USS Nimitz will be traveling to the gulf as well from its base in San Diego (I don't know how Mario Loyola knows this, but I'll assume he didn't make it up). So in a few weeks time, there will be at least THREE aircraft carrier battle groups off the coast of Iran and maybe even four if the USS Ronald Reagan is moved there from the South China Sea at the last minute.

If US aircraft carriers are being quietly moved to the Persian Gulf, that would suggest that airstrikes are coming very soon. If Iran still has the hostages when bombing begins, there is no doubt all 15 will be promptly executed. Thus, it is in our best interest to resolve the standoff ASAP.

There are only two ways to resolve the standoff quickly: 1. Immediately give in to Iran's demands, or 2. make a credible military threat. The first option gives Iran a huge propaganda victory, emboldens the islamists, and convinces them we don't have the gonads to strike. But then, that's just what we'd want them to think if we're planning on bombing them in a month anyway. The second option is not desirable because it's less likely to get the hostages out in time and, just as important, it puts their military on high alert right before we're planning to strike.

This is probably all just wishful thinking. But if an attack on Iran is imminent, it could be worth swallowing our pride for a few weeks. Their propaganda victory will be short-lived and we're more likely to catch them with their pants down. Just think of it as a Hudna.

To all those that say America would do better than what Britain is doing in this situation, I say fat f-ing chance! Our president, who used to be resolute, is now paralyzed by opposition from both Democrats and Republicans. In addition there are so many scandals aimed right at the White House it's not funny. We used to be cowboys but now we are no better than the dhimmies in the British government.

#60 secretfire

Yes, secretfire. They have something evil up their sleeve.

#60 secretfire 4/01/2007 1:14:14 pm PDT

They know they can get away with it.

Are you suggesting that they have some nukes ready to go somewhere if we have the recklessness to stand up?

perhaps you think we should just lay down and die?

perhaps you think you are the only one who thinks this is a strategy of some sort?

I assure you that we are not unaware that the mullahs have "plans"

They are positively asking for an attack. Do we oblige, knowing the ugly can of worms will explode with the bombs?

#65 FQ Kafir 4/01/2007 1:25:45 pm PDT

They are positively asking for an attack. Do we oblige, knowing the ugly can of worms will explode with the bombs?

They asked for an attack when Carter was in office...nothing happened.
They asked for an attack when we found out they were helping the "insurgents" in Iraq....nothing happened
They ask for it every day they defy the "world" and continue to work toward nukes...nothing ever happens

Will the can of worms get smaller and more cuddly if we wait?

Spartanwoman,

The can of worms has changed since Carter. I'm not saying we shouldn't take military action. I just want to avoid as much of the aftermath as possible. A knee-jerk attack would almost certainly embolden Iran, Hezbollah et al, yet a carefully planned series of actions might mitigate the fallout.

Britain - blind and suicidal.

[Link: www.britainusa.com...]

So sad. And scary.

If those "series" of actions are craven pseudo-apologies that will certainly embolden hezbollah..just as the phony end to the Israeli actions in Lebanon did.

We all know that much has changed, the one constant has been weakness and inaction and fear of provoking the mullahcracy

elkafir,

Britain doesn't need divine intervention, they need their next Churchill. This isn't the first time that Britain has been caught napping, and they'll get their act together eventually.

-jcr

I just sent this to our embattled pal Tony...

Regarding your 15 sailor hostages...

If you decide to use nuclear weapons (as we should have done in 1979) to level Iran, this American (and many tens of millions more) would support you 100%.

Anything less means the end of Britain and Europe forever.

Don't get this one wrong. We're counting on you.

You may send your own thoughts here.

[Link: www.pm.gov.uk...]

#60 secretfire
I think you give these guys too much credit. I do agree with your chess analogy but do not subscribe the conclusive nature of your arguement. You make it sound like we've already lost the game because they got to make the first move. All that is necessary is to do something they did not forsee.If they are relying on history to provide them with a plan, just think of how Carter handled it & do the opposite. Something like: "Don't step on that rake Ackmed" then when he looks down,kick 'em in the nuts. Certainly we have the technolgy for something on that order.
P.S.The Oxford Companion to Chess lists 1327 openings and variants

The weirdbeard clerics in Iran are counting on their fellow pedophile worshippers of the Religion of Perpetual Outrage in Great(?) Britain to raise 57 varieties of hell if the Brits retaliate, and the Brits know it. Blair should have thrown them all out in the wake of 9/11 like he first wanted to.

And they will raise hell...but they're gonna do that anyway, ceejaytoo.

I think they'd raise hell here too...but I'd rather give them a reason and then shoot them than wait for some stupid crap like the paris subway situation to set them off.

Don't let them riot for inconsequential reasons ...go for the gold

What Britain should do is "apologize", get its troops back, and then sink the Iranian fleet. Any chance of that happening? Or perhaps Churchill will rise out of his grave. I think there's a better chance of the latter.

Please, Brits, do not kiss the a***s of those Iranian swine. There are other options available. Think Winston C. and then make a move. Your finest hour, etc...

On second thought, if Tehran is aflame, I think the local ROP affiliates will STFU.

i'm wondering how much worse it will get for the brits until the peasants revolt and actually fight like animals for their lives. i pray they are organizing now. i pray they see what's coming.

well if you ask me, not standing up to iran because of possible agents being ready to strike is just stupid in the long run. When IS the time? When there is even more agents? After the left hands them the keys to washington? Face it, it's gonna be ugly no matter what, only it will be less ugly now than later, and will just get uglier the more we wait. Ok, so they blow up a few things here and that would suck, but guess what, it will be the last f**king thing an islamic assmunch does here. Their dealth cult would be marked for death, the mosques here burned to the ground, and mass deportations would probably happen. Hey you want to stop islamic dickheads from blowing up shit here? Sweep them out of the US.

If we waste iran, we win.

If we end up having to toss that deathcult islam out on it's ass and ban everything ME here, we really win.

If we do nothing in the face of an army of darkness, as we are doing now...we lose. Thats unacceptable.

Screw it, the war has started no matter if we like it or not. We can punch imadickinajar right in the balls and piss on his dead corpse if we take the initiative NOW. It would be a MASSIVE humiliation for that primitive shithole if we kicked his dick in the dirt. I like what somebody here said, give them 6 hours to release the 15, or turn the shithole into a graveyard.

yeah yeah i know, what about their people? F**k'em, it's their's our our's and I vote for ours. This shit needs to end. Doing nothing with hitler early on cost the world 60,000,000 dead later. With all the lessons of history right in front of us, doing nothing is total madness.

I have some questions:

1. What will actually happen when Brits apologizes? Will the 15 sailors be released?

2. What will the British do when another 15 military people get kidnapped? Will they just apologize and hope for the best?

3. What will the British apology do for the fighting spirit of British soldiers?

#72 ssoss:
I appreciate your thoughts. I meant no conclusions as to the final outcome, because life is vastly more complex than chess, and no human being can forsee all possibilities. Even if we do act as they expect, things have a way of developing in unexpected directions. What I did mean was to direct us towards rational counterplanning, instead of assuming that Iran was simply reacting to events in a thoughtless manner.

I am gratified that some here have begun this analysis. At this point I do not offer conclusions, only questions.

The plans of our enemy may not be clear, but their character surely is. Their fanatical committment to a demonic ideology is amplified as a danger by their intelligence and sophistication. I do not say this to inspire cowardice or or futility, certainly not! For the battle before us is fully able to be won if we together commit to life more strongly than they commit to death. I do say this to focus our minds and our spirits on the seriousness of the challenge, and so that we are not surprised as events develop.

I clearly think that the British are doing the wrong thing.

Iran has set a precedent of State Sponsored Kidnapping. Given that State Sponsored Kidnapping is now in practice by the Iranians, I feel Blair has ever right to collect any number of Iranian military men to be the “guest” of the UK. Then the two could play the game of trading hostages.

Hey Hellfire, have you seen this video? I think it says it all.

Their have been a few poster who are calling the soldiers who made a so called confession, cowards or words to that effect. Until you have walked in their shoes, and I did for about fortyeights hours many years ago, please offer them your prayers, not your derisive comments, they are going thru hell, and need your hand, not your fist.

One thing to consider: Great Britain is a member of NATO. So is the United States. According to the agreement, an attack on one member is an attack on all. Therefore, Iran has attacked America. I hope the response from our side is coming, and I have a feeling it's gonna be soon. Real soon.

Hope someone who has actual understanding of the Muslim/Persian mindset has made it through all the ranks of leftist fools in both the British and American government advisor class.

Though the Persians and Arabians claim differences, their similarities due to their common religion are greater. (forget Shiite and Sunni enmity which won't come into play big time until Muslims dominate the World. Then they'll start in on each other again. Iranian Shiites are helping kill both Iraqi Sunnis and fellow Shiites at the moment, figuring a civil war will make the U.S. scuttle and leave the field clear for them).

Arabic/Persian Muslims have a powerful HONOR SHAME CULTURE. It is completely MACHO. It recognizes only power and force. Negotiation of any kind is seen as weakness, not strength as liberals in the West see it.

Bin Laden has spoken of people meaning Muslims wishing to follow "the strong horse". Bush surprised Bin Laden by being a strong horse instead of the paper tiger he was expected to be, a la Carter and Clinton.

However, Bush has been hobbled by Western libs, and the jihadis are back to thinking that they can take the US down just as they imagine they did the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

When the Muslims hit, they must be hit back even harder. There was a good suggestion above. Cross the border and capture 50 Iranian military. Then it's a Mexican stand-off (though be prepared for Am-mad-in-da-head to call the bluff and execute his chips in full knowledge that the West will not retaliate in kind).

The other do-able suggestion I've seen is Newt Gingrich's. Put the squeeze on Iran' domestic oil supply while guarding the world's supply route by destroying the Iranian navy if it even looks in that direction. This will immediately harm the Iranian economy and make Dinnerjacket look stupid instead of strong.

He must be made to lose face one way or another. He must pay for any and all international provocations.

China and Russia are a problem for the West. They protect Iran, thinking it will damage the United States for them and they can dust Iran at will after it's done some dirty work for them. They see Iran as a capo that they will off in turn.

And by the way, get all women out of the front lines of the West's armed forces immediately. They weaken our military in every way. Look at all the attention the one British female sailor has gotten. The Iranians recognize her as the weak link because of the West's contradictory notions of chivalry and women's lib. Gee, our women want to strut around in a uniform so we let them, but when the going gets tough, all of a sudden they're not equal to the men anymore, (not that they ever were as at least physical standards have been downgraded for them as they have been for the police and firepersons).

Hey! Did someone just mention NATO? Christ, I'd forgotten all about them. Are they still going these days?

Seriously, I hope you're right, my friend, I really do. And the sooner the better.

Charles you shouldn't find the British governments position unbelievable, they're all Communists/Socialists and will do anything to appease the enemy.

Britain is an example of what could well be Americas worst case scenario if the Democrats head the government.