greetings from Hawaii lizardoids...

Someone at the BBC has been paying close attention to the connections.

soul surfer
Howdy!

The information is coming through.

Now, we must agree to spread the relevant information in a professional and calm manner.

#1 SaDM

I'm not having any problems viewing -- sure it's not your anti-virus software?

islam delenda est.

Democracies need a statute, modeled after the US RICO statutes used to decimate organized crime, to use against this type of cancer...

Can we wall in Pakistan?

what a fabulous dream!

The fact that a LLL could watch this and potentially blame bush instead of say, a huge global network of hate-filled terror mongers, says a lot about their grip on reality. What would Michael Moore say about this?

"there is no terrorist threat."

--Michael Moore

Kasper Ackbar!

extremists...NO my friend these are muslims plain and simple...thats what they do

If the Democrats get their wishes, these terrorist networks will be running throughout America.

The Democrats don't believe that there really are these networks throughout the world, and the proof in what I am saying, are the very loud Islamofascist voices fully supporting the Democrats.

Why do Islamofascist human butchers, the world around, fully support the Democrats?

That question has already been answered.

Excellent work BBC. A genuine piece of investigative journalism. Wow. We've all been waiting for the leftish MSM to join the fight for our civilization against Islamic barbarians, and this is the best example of that I've seen yet. Keep it up. Nothing makes Radical Islam look any stupider than prime time airplay of hate speeches by maniacal Imams like the armless pirate Hammy Zammy.

But my favorite part was at the end of the report when the reporter and his cameraman tracked down Sahil Shahid (?) at the Islam conference and hounded the guy, peppering him with questions while the dude turned tail and practically ran away from them. What a pussy.

And did you notice how quickly the guy disavowed any knowledge or involvement to al Muhajiroun. Hey thats a pretty devout faith you have there pal. He just dropped it all like a dirty diaper into the garbage. Taqiyya or not, that tells me he doesn't feel so strongly about his faith. True faith can't deny itself.

They don't call it Londonistan for nothing.

OT, but (IMHO) more important. 6th post down on The Volokh Conspiracy, by Dave Kopel. Go here to get the links to work.

Islamists aren't the greatist danger, folks.

The Human Right of Self-Defense Paul Gallant, Joanne Eisen, and I have a new article (PDF) forthcoming in the BYU Journal of Public Law. Here's the abstract:

Does a woman have a human right to resist rape or murder? Do people have a human right to resist tyranny? The United Nations Human Rights Council has said “no”—that international law recognizes no human right of self-defense. To the contrary, the Human Rights Council declares that very severe gun control—more restrictive than even the laws of New York City--is a human right.
Surveying international law from its earliest days to the present, this Article demonstrates that self-defense is a widely-recognized human right which no government and no international body have the authority to abrogate.
The issue is especially important today, as many international advocates of international gun prohibition are using the United Nations to deny and then eliminate the right of self-defense. For example, the General Assembly is creating an "Arms Trade Treaty" which could define arms sales to citizens in the United States as a human rights violation, because American law guarantees the right to use lethal force, when no lesser force will suffice, against a non-homicidal violent felony attack.
The Article analyzes in detail the Founders of international law--the great scholars in the fourteenth through eighteenth centuries who created the system of international law. The Article then looks at the major legal systems which have contributed to international law, such as Greek law, Roman law, Spanish law, Jewish law, Islamic law, Canon law, and Anglo-American law. In addition, the article covers the full scope of contemporary international law sources, including treaties, the United Nations, constitutions from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe, and much more.
The Article shows that international law—particularly its restraints on the conduct of warfare—is founded on the personal right of self-defense.
As always, thoughtful comments are welcome. You don't have to read all 119 pages in order to comment, but you do need to read enough to be able to offer a comment about the article itself, rather than abstract thoughts about the gun issue in general.

Busted at the Islam Expo!
Bwahahahahaaa!

...the bunny perks up its ears and glances around, and the serpent momentarily stops slithering towards it.

At the cost of mixing zoologic metaphors, this would appear to be pretty close to a flying pig moment, wouldn't it? BBC airing anything even remotely critical of their muslim guestsmasters?

Er, "greatest."

Damnit.

#2 soul surfer

Aloha, pau hana, time to talk story.

Obviously a Karl Rove plant.

don't worry, folks, nothing going on here. Just move along and follow the goat ith the bell.

Great work, Kasper. Thank you and keep it up!

Rachel North at the end is exactly right- how naive of our governments to not take these people at their word. This is our biggest failing.

#12:

My (Jewish) Israeli friends say otherwise.

I'm not minimizing the threats of Wahhabi'ism,
etc. but consider the following.

There are Bedouin serving in the IDF.

Israel has peace with the Muslim Bedouin
rulers of Jordan; it is possible to go
kayaking for recreation in the river.

The Arabs in Jordan identifying as
Palestinians, well, they're a different
kettle of fish. Jordan ejected the PLO,
and put down a coup attempt.

The Sufis are peaceful,
and the Bahai and Druze have diverged
enough from Islam that they are not considered
Muslim. However, the Druze will pass for Muslim if it is convenient.

Then there's the international state-supported
criminal gangs using Islam as cover for its
activities. And the much larger community
of Muslims who are willing to look away from
the "Black Hand" in their neighborhood. And
the unfortunate ease with which the Koran is
given its most vicious interpretation by
those telegenic imams.

ocelot

How did this get past the BBC editors?

al Qaeda, al Muhajiroun, al, Zarqawi, etc...

What the difference - they're all the same to me.

Thanks to Kasper again!

It is good to see this reporter actually follow up with a survivor of 7/7, Rachel North, who stated:

The so called hate preachers, you can plot their networks, and the effect of radicalization they have across the UK and across the globe. And I think it was apallingly arrogant and a huge failure of imagination not to take these people seriously. I also think it was amoral to assume that it was ok for guys to plot jihad in other lands, and to have your safety at the expense of other peoples lives, that "not in our patch so it doesn't matter" mentality has got to stop.

Here's hoping that sentiment is growing in the UK.

And remember, radical Islam = mainstream Islam, even according to the Washington Post.

Definitely a flying pig moment, who hit the BBC with the Clue-bat I wonder?

It's good to see folks putting the pieces together for real now and putting it before the public. In Pakistan the crows have come home to roost, and we are going to see some change there. The Sherpao bombing, coupled with the murder of the woman minister earlier this year have some folks ready to raze some mullahs homes. (They would never attack the madrassa or the mosque however...)

17 Mike C.

My right to the integrity of my vagina supersedes the right to life of a potential violator thereof.

I was amazed this was from the BBC. And, yes, the Islam software expo was a classic.

At 4:35 into the clip Mohamed Junaid Babar is being interviewed in Pakistan on November 1, 2001. Compare this to the earlier thread of the Uzi shopper Kazi Nurur Rahman who was interviewed on television in Pakistan on October 2001.

Note that these guys are British citizens in Pakistan shortly after 9-11-2001 who have come to support their muslim brothers and proclaim allegiance to their cause in Afghanistan. I for the life of me cannot recall hearing reports of this coming out of the British news at the time. Why is it we are just now hearing of British citizens leaving the country and going to participate in Jihad immediately after 9-11.

Did this air on a main channel for the BBC or was it a late night, obscure channel type of thing? I'm surprised the dhimmi BBC would investigate a story like this much less broadcast it.

waiting for this reporter to be fired
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#17 - Mike C.

Gun control is not really the issue, as you allude. The issue at all levels of all societies is that of self-defence.

Not only do people have the right to self-defence, it is essentially a biological imperative.

One thing - from a lesser-known Zen Master: There is nothing spiritual in not-killing.

Ocelot (#24),

The threats of Qutbists, Arab nationalists and Shia militants are not confined to "criminal gangs using Islam as cover for its
activities". It is the other way round, with these movements capitalising through all manner of violent and criminal activities. I think you are underestimating Wahabism, whose teachings are spread virulently across the Muslim ummah. I agree with you that it is not fair or helpful to look at all Muslims as hostile and paint them into a corner, but you should also know that even among many Sufis the anti-western and anti-zionist ideology is widespread.

#34 keelie

One thing - from a lesser-known Zen Master: There is nothing spiritual in not-killing.

From me (Zen -- what the hell is that?) -- There is nothing spiritual in being killed.

2 great points, from one video, identified in one 8 minute segment. That's more than the American media has told in 6 years.
First, the radicals want a WORLD Caliphate.
Second, Rachel North identifying the amorality of the UK and other countires behavior toward allowing the recruitment and ensightment for Jihad so long as it didn't effect THEM.

Honesty, cander?! Who kidnapped the BBC and allowed the truth out?

re: my #31

As a follow up, the BBC has more on Muhamed Junaid Babar.

Born near Peshawar, Pakistan in 1975
Moved to the US at the age of two and lived in New York City
Left school at 19 and studied pharmacy at St John's University in Queens
Dropped out after a year and worked as a valet and a security guard
Went to Pakistan, via London, nine days after 9/11
In November 2001 he told a British TV reporter he would kill US troops who came to Afghanistan
Between April and October 2002 he was employed as a regional manager by Pakistan's Software Export Board
Returned to the US in April 2004 and was arrested by the FBI shortly after

The guy may have been a jihadi that cooperated with the investigation or he may be an agent of the good guys.

It amazes me how ignorant the left and MSM (redundant) is when it comes to something like this. I am sure most lefties would just say this is a hit piece on Islam.

How idiotic do our governments have to be to allow the type of hate-speech going on in the streets, on college campuses, and in mosques around the west? Until we crack down on this type of behavior, things will only get worse.

That video was like watching the making of the BORG

and I just love the way they always respond to questions by answering its "propoganda " or maybe A Jewish plot

You notice how You never Hear..
Man walks into police station and goes on shooting rampage. or

psychopath storms into sportsmans club and guns down 20 innocent people. or

Crazed Gunman wanders the East side of Detroit indiscrimanately shooting pedestrians.

What do all those places have in common.

Guns, and lots of them. Shooter wouldn`t last long in these Areas.

Deranged Killers always head straight for the Gun Free Zone.

Looks like Kasper is in serious competition for Stinky Beaumont's job here. ;)

Islam is mal.

Pretty damning video, especially the comments in the last 30 seconds...

Anybody in the British Government paying attention? Anybody?

Didn't think so.

(We're next.)

JAFLW

IMHO

The money quote by Sahil Shahid (a paraphase)...

"This is all propaganda. You are asking the wrong questions."

I've heard other Muslim leaders imply this very same thing. Do they all work from the same Public relations handbook?

/yes, I know, the Koran.

I'm sort of responding to my own psoting here, but I just thought of something. I said in post #45.

"IMHO. The money quote by Sahil Shahid (a paraphase)... "This is all propaganda. You are asking the wrong questions." I've heard other Muslim leaders imply this very same thing. Do they all work from the same Public relations handbook? /yes, I know, the Koran."

And it just realized that my leftist ex-girlfriend use to say just about the same thing when we would get into a discussion about politics.

Cue the Twilight Zone music, yes?

46 Newton
my leftist ex-girlfriend

good move.

good point walter about the propaganda line

when push comes to shove, the msm will cower to these people (terrorists, global warming fanatics, gun control freaks, etc.) thanks to claims like that

why deal with the truth when you can avoid all the trouble by blaming it on propaganda

Where is part two of this video?

Can't find it!

:(

The plan is working perfectly.

Let the Islaminazis get comfortable spewing their hatred. After they have spewed enough venom to hang themselves, the religion cult will be exposed for what it truly is, and Islam will implode.

#50 racer
After they have spewed enough venom to hang themselves, the religion cult will be exposed for what it truly is, and Islam will implode.

Islam or the world. Isn't that the express ticket to the 70 virgins et al? Either way, they feel like they win.

The story has already been buried on Digg.

Charles,

Did you consider revising one of your Stds?

Our friends the Saudis BRITS.

Q: Is Richard Watson's carreer at the BBC effectively over, now or very soon?

29 Mandy

Couldn't agree more..

While we're waiting for part 2, you might want to take note of a site recommended on Page 1's youtube page.

WARNING: Emotional and Graphic (yet not 'Adult' on youtube)

Dua of Shaykh Al Mohaisany

I keep waiting for someone to wake up and work to expell these radical Imams. Screw the PC crowd, they're promoting revolution. MI-5 needs to pull up and say it's time for you to go. Is there a website that tracks the worst of these Imams? They are always shoooting their mouths off, it shouldn't be that hard.

Okay, okay. I give up. What did you do with the REAL BBC?

I normally say nasty things about BBC but I must say that this programme was very impressive (for interest, it was show on the main BBC channel on the Newsnight programme which is widely watched). And all of those 'it's all because of Iraq' apologists (MCB et al) look a bit silly if these guys have been plotting jihad for the past ten years.
There's currently outcry now that the these bombers have been put in the nick but considering that huge 'It's islamophobia' shriek from the usual suspects everytime there is an terror arrest, I think the security forces hands are tied. Of course the islamists and their useful idiot moonbats are still waffling today...from the Guardian (moonbaticus central), what does the spokesman of the Muslim Council of Britain have to say about these convictions? Of, no, of course not.
It's our old friend, Bungawala: "It's the Jews"

#60 This is being broadcast now because of the conclusion of yesterday's trial. The information has been known for some time but was sub judice, as it may have damaged the trial and other investigations.

#32 Broadcast on BBC Newsnight, the most important and serious news programme in Britain.

#36 - christheprofessor

These days, it amounts to the same thing, and it's based on the same dubious sense of moral superiority.

Of course, what BBC is legally forbidden to mention is the involvement of a certain fat, loudmouthed former electrician.

He went for Jihad training with Al Muhajiroun in Pakistan and once told the Sunday Times that he'd killed Indian soldiers.

The UK media can't mention this because it might prejudice the current court case against him.

And WOW!

Newsnight must have been making this programme for nearly a whole year.

The Islam Expo conference shown in the programme was held (with classic Islamist arrogance) on July 7th last year.

I wonder if American Islamists would get awy with holding a big conference in Manhattan on September 11th.

Of course, nobody here batted an eyelid.

how is the porcine aviator this is close to air born.

# 62 GordonMcStraun:

My first thought upon reading your comment was, 'Does the BBC having "the most important and serious news programme in Britain" make their newscasts a good thing or a bad thing?' It's so hard to tell these days.

And the bit in the clip where the reporter tracked down the jihadi at the Muslim Expo just goes to show that lying by muslims is as easy as breathing. "It's propaganda. You are not asking the right questions!" I guess the reporter's questions weren't vetted by the koran or the MCB.

'a huge failure of imagination' neatly sums up the attitude of the MSM and the political elite.

Bomb victim Rachel North's story in her own words is here: [Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...] She was just getting over a violent rape attack when 7/7 happened.

The fascists of 65 years ago as the fascists today know they must have conquest of Britian or lose the war.

Did you see that rat coward run like a little girl when confronted by the cameras?

Some brave jihadi there. His voice cracked and quivered like an adolescent boy trying to steal his first kiss.

Such a brave man. So brave when it comes to plotting suicide attacks or planting bombs to kill women and children in buses or in pizzarias.

yet when the light is shined on this cockroach, he behaves like any other cockroach.

he runs

#9 Dr. Manhattan 4/30/2007 6:18:49 pm PDT

The fact that a LLL could watch this and potentially blame bush instead of say, a huge global network of hate-filled terror mongers, says a lot about their grip on reality. What would Michael Moore say about this?

Yes, but didn't you see the BBC's chart with the green arrows showing that te Iraq (Bush's) War generated new terrorist recruits?

I am not denying the recruitment of terrorist because of the Iraq war, but if I were to "think" like a LLL, I would focus on that fact. "See, it was Bush's fault!" Nevermind that the terror organization was already operating and killing people for years by that time.

The video is shocking. Especially the ending. They pull together a web of these shadowy figures and then go find one of the main leaders at, of all places, a booth in an Islamic convention right in London.
That's like going to a drug dealer's convention at the Miami Hilton and finding Pablo Eskobar sitting at a booth!

This is big stuff. Do we smell a sea change ?
Smashing the myth of "isolated incidents" by connecting the dots of
part of the web of jihad.

I half hope that exposure like this of fat f**ks like Bakri Mohd et al will wake people up. However there are many, many people in Britain that still don't get it. It is always the same worthless shitbags that scream jihad. They are always looking for volunteers to blow themselves up but never want to try it themselves. Why not?

This chap makes a lot of sense on islam though you may not agree with him on other religious matters.

[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

I just wonder how this got onto the BBC.