Terminated with prejudice!

I think part of the bill should have been Sharia law for San Francisco, LA and New York.

YAY! I'm so proud!

Because he wants to surrender more slowly and "spread democracy."

The Congress better hurry: if they can't surrender faster, we might just win.

vetOWNED

Good work Mr. President, you can go back to sleep now.

(as millions of illegals invade the country and the trade deficit with China skyrockets...)

I am waiting for the day when Harry Reid, et al drop their fake American accents and start talk their native French.

It's his right/duty under the US constitution.

The right is there for a reason, and he has every right/reason to use it.

If you don't like it, change the constitution or get you seditious ass out.

What a complete waste of taxpayers $

well there is not one set of brass ones inside the belt way i guess there is a rule you must leave them outside

Time for the Republicans to show us what they got. They should harp on the fact that the dems were told WELL in advance that Bush was going to veto and it is THEM who do not want to come to the table and talk and compromise. Not Bush, who they claim doesn't want to.

pelosi and reid and co..too busy to even meet with Petraeus when he came in to congress to give them an update...that they put in charge.

pelosi who said she was going to not let the congress have so many days off and that they would work hard instead (and they have zero to show for it too!), whoops..all went on vacation when we needed them to come to the table and get something passable and pelosi and co..were where? Meeting with our enemies while our troops needed funding!

The dems are wasting time and the republicans are too pansyish to call them on it..wth!

I keep telling myself...good is evil and evil is good...only way I can understand any of this crap.

Gone in 60 seconds

Fabulous work by GWB.
The democRATS will reap what they sow, miserable bunch of scumbags they are.

I take it from the name of this thread that Bush vetoed the bill?

Damn, the moonbats will be out in force in SF as a result, and my real-world schedule will not permit me to attend.

Its nice how the quislings in Congress timed it to coincide with the "Mission Accomplished" date. There is no way we can "win" this war when we have one political party in this country that so desperately hates GW that they openly support the other side. There was a time, immediately post 9/11 where I wouldn't have believed this possible but, I have seen way too much from the Dhimmicrats since then to confirm what I stated above. Sad. Pathetic. Dangerous.

16 zombie
I do hope you were able to see some of the immigrant rallies planned for today.

Disagreeing slightly with the Lizardoid Master, I did find the veto somewhat surprising in light of previous refusals to wield the veto power when it should have been employed heartily. But it is certainly good it got used this time.

Sadly, I didn't get to hear the speech (stupid work) but I'm glad that he vetoed it.

I will agree with song and dance man,

What the heck is wrong in Washington, where it is only the liberal pols that get to speak trash and lies, while those we look to don't have the balls to speak the truth about the villains on the left.

I just don't get it either.

#11 shug

What a complete waste of taxpayers $

I agree that the near entire Congress is a waste of taxpayer money.

Second time he's used it.

I hereby veto Collectivism. Hear that you lefty ratbastards?

DNC: The Party of Socialism, Slavery and Treason.

Oh yeah, and if it's true (I check LGF FIRST, before the "regular" news outlets):

Thank you GWB.

A good first step on securing your reputation to future historians.

A waffle at this stage would have undone so much steadfastness that had come before.

The “Forward Strategy” for Failure by Yaron Brook and Elan Journo

Excerpt:

Bush’s forward strategy has helped usher in a new era in the Middle East: By its promotion of elections, it has paved the road for Islamists to grab political power and to ease into office with the air of legitimacy and without the cost of bombs or bullets. Naturally, totalitarians across the region are encouraged. They exhibit a renewed sense of confidence. The Iran-Hamas-Hezbollah war against Israel last summer is one major symptom of that confidence; another is Iran’s naked belligerence through insurgent proxies in Iraq, and its righteously defiant pursuit of nuclear technology.

The situation in the Middle East is worse for America today than it was in the wake of 9/11. Iraq is a bloody fiasco. The chaos in Iraq makes it a haven for anti-American terrorists. Iran’s influence in Iraq and in the region is growing. Saudi Arabia, along with five other Arab states, announced its intention to pursue nuclear technology. In Lebanon, thousands of people have taken part in massive street demonstrations demanding greater power for Hezbollah in the government. The Hamas regime, though starved of Western aid, remains in power, and Palestinians continue to fire rockets at Israeli towns.

A further effect of the elections in the region has been the invigoration of Islamists in Afghanistan. Legions of undefeated Taliban and Al Qaeda warriors in that country have regrouped and renewed their jihad. Flush with money, amassing recruits, and armed with guns, rockets, and explosives, they are fighting to regain power. They have mounted a string of massive suicide bombings and rocket attacks against American and NATO forces; more U.S. troops died in Afghanistan during 2005 and 2006 than during the peak of the war. With astounding boldness, the Taliban have assassinated clerics and judges deemed friendly to the new government, and fired rockets at schools for using “un-Islamic” books. The Taliban have effectively taken over certain regions of the country.

Jihadists continue to carry out and plot mass-casualty atrocities against the West. In 2004 they bombed commuter trains during rush hour in Madrid. The next summer, suicide bombers blew themselves up on London’s underground. In August 2006, British police foiled a plot to set off a wave of bombings on trans-Atlantic airliners. British authorities recently disclosed that they were tracking two hundred cells involving more than sixteen hundred individuals who were “actively engaged in plotting or facilitating terrorist acts here and overseas.” The question now is not if there will be another catastrophic attack, but only when.

By any objective assessment, the forward strategy is a dismal failure.

The democrat party stands for nothing and it is beautiful to watch them slit their own throats. I think the weenies in the middle of the political spectrum realize what a group of losers they are.

Thompson '08

Maybe now Congress will act like adults. I doubt it, but I can dream can't I?

#2 ErisLDysnomia

I think part of the bill should have been Sharia law for San Francisco, LA and New York.

Bush swore to UPHOLD the Constitution --not to trash it for political gain.

What is it that Bush should have done and didn't that the Democrats are saying that we wouldn't be here now dealing with this legislation?

#20 sarah

I just don't get it either.

It's purposeful deception.

That is what it is, and now you know who some the players are.

GW needs to veto the Bill and/or send it back to Congress requesting the Bill be revised to include the 'terms and conditions of surrender.' Upon receiving the revised Bill from Congress, US negotiations for our conditional surrender will be sought with the victor(s).

Nothing more, nothing less.

This is bullshit.

GWB has had only 1 veto in six years. An example of his prudence and fairness. General Pelosi and Queen Reid are not going to set up their own government and are not going to get us all killed.

Instead of passing this bill and thereby announcing to the world and all our enemies the exact troop movement schedule of our military, it would have been much simpler for the Democratic leadership to email our intelligence briefings directly to OBLaden@afghancave.com.

Would have streamlined the whole process.

#18 St. Pancake
Did you ever switch pet foods? The FDA recalled almost every pet food on the market today.

#22

Hear Hear! When can we get the treason book out and start slamming some heads with it?

I want to know what happened to the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED BANNER. It belongs in the Smithsonian.

#34 buzzsawmonkey - NO Casto did not come out today - hmmm, wonder why? Forget to mark his calendar, perhaps?!

5 months this congress has been in power and they have only sent TWO bills to the President and both have been vetoed.

Every other single bill the US congress has passed is now stuck in committee in the senate. The ONLY bill the democrats seem to have the will to pass is this one.

They only have two years to prove their worth and alreayd the democrats are squandering it.

36 Killgore Trout
Yep!

This is nuts.
I am livid.

#18 St. Pancake
16 zombie
I do hope you were able to see some of the immigrant rallies planned for today.

Actually, for reasons of my own, I pretty much tend to stay away in my zombietiming from the whole illegal immigrant issue.

OT
Speaker for the Palestine Council calls for the death of all Americans. Bush sends $61 Million.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

#36 Killgore Trout

i had answered your question about hinduism ..

good night

The media will spin this in favor of the democrats, this will work against the Republicans.

Woo hoo

The BDS has reached critical mass on kos.

Troll Alert.

Off Open Thread-- Rush rules with today's new release, "Snakes and Arrows!"

#36 Killgore Trout

#18 St. Pancake
Did you ever switch pet foods? The FDA recalled almost every pet food on the market today.

Is there a latest?

I have looked and can't find anything more current than April 30th.

Great.

Got some good shots at the May Day / Che Day March today at Union Square. Place was crazy!

Have to do some quick edits and will send to Charles pronto! :)

I wish this was spun the way it should have been. Liberals such as Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi passed a bill knowing full well that it would be vetoed because of all the extraneous measures (including the timeline for pullout) that it contained, not because of its substance.

This is the same as undermining the US efforts in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., which some would consider treason. I don't consider this any different than a General telling his soldiers not to fight because he doesn't "believe" in the war.

I've written my Senator and Congressman asking them to voluntarily withhold their own pay until our army gets paid (even though they both voted against the bill). Maybe we can control the spin from now on.

#45 DoubleU

The media will spin this in favor of the democrats, this will work against the Republicans.

That's been happening for decades.

Where do you think that my father, 40 years ago got, "The Republicans are for the wealthy and the Democrats are for the working man"?

What's your point?

Presidential vetoes are like curse words; the less that you use them, the more impact that each one has.

But how can Dubya negotiate with the Dems on Iraq? To negotiate with someone, both parties must have some knowledge concerning the issue in contention, and even the liberal New Republic is acknowledgng that the Dems are surpassingly, and perhaps willfully, dense, obtuse and ignorant concerning Iraq:

Knowledge Gap
Congressional leaders are illiterate on Iraq.
by Lawrence F. Kaplan
[Link: www.tnr.com...]

#18 st. pancake

I do hope you were able to see some of the immigrant rallies planned for today

Surprisingly, the immigration rallies here in SF have been tiny. There were bigger ones in LA and Atlanta, among other places. No SF rallies have even been announced, to my knowledge. Most of our "progressives" are too busy fretting over Iraq and global warming.

#33 ted

GWB has had only 1 veto in six years. An example of his prudence and fairness.

More like evidence that the Republicans and Democrats are in cahoots on expanding the scope of government and spending taxpayer money like there's no tomorrow.

OT - quick post for thought before I go have dinner:

Ex-NYC Mayor Assails Venezuela's Chavez

WASHINGTON - Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani, whose law firm represents an American subsidiary of a Hugo Chavez-controlled oil company, said Tuesday that the socialist Venezuelan president is dangerous to U.S. interests.

In a speech to Hispanic small business leaders, the Republican brought up Chavez while discussing ways the United States could become free from its reliance on foreign oil.

"Isn't it annoying, upsetting and even in some cases a matter of national security that we have to send money to our enemies?" Giuliani asked. "We need a president who knows how to get things done so we don't have to be sending money to Chavez."

Giuliani called for the United States to develop alternative energy sources and take advantage of oil already in its control. He said that antagonistic leaders of oil-rich nations, like Chavez, would have "little power" if the United States could stop buying oil from them.

"Who would listen to Chavez if he didn't have all this oil money? Nobody would listen to him," Giuliani said.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

#16 zombie

Heh, your "real world schedule"? I guess that's different from "zombietime."

26 Lazarus;

so whats your point?

Before Iraq, the ME was a bastion of peace, stability and human rights?

Double U

The media will spin this in favor of the democrats, this will work against the Republicans.

They do it all the time.

Bwaaahhh Bwaaahhh

I love the propaganda

[Link: littledemocrats.net...]

WHY MOMMY IS A DEMOCRAT. A DIFFERENT KIND OF BOOK

Pages

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#43 Pat

OT
Speaker for the Palestine Council calls for the death of all Americans. Bush sends $61 Million.

If that isn't enough proof for everyone, that there is a very serious Deception traveling the world, nothing will.

#57 realwest

Interesting dependent clause in the first sentence of that our-tickle.

On Topic ... VETO this POS, Mr. President!

51 NoSubmission

Goody goody.

Love seeing those here.
I do hope there was some paper mache critters, or at least, some furby thingys which cannot be deciphered by rational thinking.

56 rob:

Interesting point.

I was afraid the President would "have a change of heart" at the last minute, so I guess his just excercising the veto is a pleasant surprise for me

At least he laid it on the line to the "illegals"

[Link: www.scrappleface.com:80...]

...if only!

Good Job GW

The BDS is reaching critical mass on LGF too.
It's disgraceful to read what some lizards have to say about Bush.
Communists and Muslims all over must be rejoicing and feeling so happy that the President of the USA is being attacked even by his own side. By his "own people".

I never thought I would enter LGF and read all this anti Bush trash. Thanks for aiding the enemy, folks.

I won't answer any comment as I am leaving as of now.

I'm too angry at the dim conservatives that have a pet issue and as it has not been solved, then the whole Conservative government is trash.

I love their fake support for the troops. We all know what they really want...surrender and 25 billion in pork.

Veto Accomplished!

Now we need an all out push to get Congress to quit trying to force a surrender.

Question for the Constitutional Scholarly types...What's the practical difference between an Executive Order and a Congressional Bill at the Federal level of gov't?

Darnit Charles, You made Me look at the Kos. Now I have to go gouge out My eyes with a rusty spoon. I hate when that happens. What a bunch of Naive Loons.

Can we question the Democrats patriotism now? If they haven't crossed the line yet, would someone tell me where the line is that Democrats won't cross.

59 ted

Yaron Brook is a forceful proponent of CRUSHING the Islamist enemy. He is, shall we say, *dissatisfied* with Bush's dismal failure to identify, confront, and take meaningful steps towards destroying Islamist extremists.

I think Bush should call thier bluff, sign the bill, and then say "Generals, you have til Oct 1 to win this war, do what you gotta do..."

70 MigueldowninMexico
C'mon, Miguel

Stay, and discuss with us.
Please do not cut and run.

Lazarus

Where are any solutions?

Seems to me that the biggest problem in the WOT, is that our so-called "allies" have all waved the white flag in front of the jihadists. I'ts akin to waving a red flag in front of a bull. (the results should be predictable to anyone with common sense)

74 buzz:

Exactly. Im trying to figure out the purpose of posting that bullshit article here.

#48 Timbre:

that's good news (eagerly awaiting arrival of my copy)

I did like what George said today. Radical Islam is trying to establish a Caliphate Throughout the World. We are at War with Radical Islam. It is about time someone in authority has the courage to Name Our Enemy.

#49 republic
It well buried and the MSM isn't covering it...
"DETENTION WITHOUT PHYSICAL EXAMINATION OF ALL VEGETABLE PROTEIN PRODUCTS FROM CHINA FOR ANIMAL OR HUMAN FOOD USE DUE TO THE PRESENCE OF MELAMINE AND/OR MELAMINE ANALOGS"

PRODUCTS: Wheat Gluten,Rice Gluten, Rice Protein, Rice Protein Concentrate, Corn Gluten, Corn Gluten Meal, Corn By-Products, Soy Protein, Soy Gluten,
Proteins (includes amino acids and protein hydrosylates)
Mung Bean Protein, Soy Bean Meal/Powder/Gluten/Protein Isolate, Soy Protein Powder, Wheat Gluten, Wheat Flour Gluten, Wheat Gluten, Rice Protein, Rice Gluten, Rice Protein, Corn Gluten, Milled Rice Products...

MANUFACTURER/SHIPPER: All

We need the Line Item Veto

#67 A Limey In Yanks Clothing

I hadn't looked at Scrappleface in a while. Another good one:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called on President George Bush to step in and halt the slaying of terror leaders.

“It’s a known fact that every time a terror leader is killed, another rises to take his place,” said Sen. Reid. “Therefore, the only way to stop the spawning of new terror leaders is to halt the slaying of the current ones.”

[Link: www.scrappleface.com...]

Bush bashing is so 2006.

This is 2007, Pelosi and Reid bashing are all the rage nowadays. Now get with the program people.

kaos

Darnit Charles, You made Me look at the Kos. Now I have to go gouge out My eyes with a rusty spoon.

Hope yer shots are up to date. Would'nt want ya ta git lockjaw.

Course I guess ya already got it from visitin th' sewer (kos)

77 Square:

OK , fine. But anyone who tries to convince me that GWB made the situation worse in the ME wont get far. He did not put the turd in the punchbowl.

# 70 Miguel

Bravo !

#13 Highrise

I ask the same question with different words. When, "O when will GWB come out with the gloves off? Reid & Pelosi took them off a long time ago and just keep delivering "sucker punches" and this administration and fellow repubs fail to respond in kind and give nothing but classroom responses to underhanded attacks. Screw the gentlemanly responses and fight fire with fire. Just when will this adminstration fight back for that which they believe in? For God's sake, he dosen't have to worry about re-election. For crying out loud George, "hit them where it hurts"!

#44 humanity
Much thanks, I almost missed it.

#58 squarepeg

#16 zombie

Heh, your "real world schedule"?

Wake up at 3pm.

Get to the club at 4:30.

Do pole-dancing til 8:00.

Lunch break.

Perform private lap-dances 'til 11:30.

After that, I'm free to "hook up" with customers for extra "tips," as long as I give a cut to the bouncer.

Usually get to sleep around 5am.

#70 MigueldowninMexico

Don't stay away too long.

Yeah, it's true, LGF has a rather vocal Michael Savage / Hugh Fitzgerald contingent.

I love that all the Kos commenters have stupid quotes attached to their messages.

The self-importance ooozes from their pores.

(Actually a few of the quotes are good and they are too stupid to understand the context).

18 49 84

Im not a pet owner, but has anyone suggested a terrorism angle to this?

Bush to DEMONrats

#84 Killgore Trout

Thank You very much!

#84 Killgore Trout

MANUFACTURER/SHIPPER: All

At another forum, several weeks ago, I predicted that it would come to this.

G-d zombie. why didnt you tell us before.

The Democrats will spin this to their advantage come close to election time saying that they tried and tried to compromise with the administration but that the administration is at fault and responsible for not funding the troops etc. That's their long term strategy. They knew full well that Bush would veto the bill and yet they went on ahead and wasted our taxpayer money putting this bill through. Kudos to the President for doing what he said he was going.

Just because the Dems talk trash doesn't mean the Repubs have to. I think that is why they're not coming out in droves to quash the drivel that people like Pelosi and Reid are spouting. Unfortunately, I think some of the Repubs need to speak out. Not doing so is, to me at least, a form of surrender/pandering.

I heard in an interview the other day with a military person, some General, that the military wasn't hard up for cash at the current time. I think we should start hitting up Iraq for payment for our services.

Personally, I would donate $100/month directly to the military out of my own pocket to help finance this war and leave the government out of it. We need to start selling war bonds again!

My 12 cents.

The other thing I can't believe the Republicans aren't just literally bashing the dems on is how it would have tied the hands of our Generals if that passed (not to mention it is just PURE manipulative and should be called such..in the way they went about the pork in the bill and upping the amount I guess Bush had asked for in military aid $). If we think the situation was bad with the whole British troops being taken without a fight, from what Duncan Hunter said, the red tape in the bill would have definitely hurt our troops.

I just hope by some chance some Republican representatives are reading LGF...you never know. It just seems that the fight isn't being fought fiercely enough on the Republican side. Maybe Bush and Cheney play good cop bad cop with congress..if so..Cheney..get on it lol.

I don't get it, the president rails against "radical Islam" and the "Islamic caliphate" in a speech and nobody really gives a crap.

Instead we hear judgments that America is truly defeated in Iraq and our troops are getting the living crap kicked out of them in Afghanistan, like this (from #26):

Legions of undefeated Taliban and Al Qaeda warriors in that country have regrouped and renewed their jihad. Flush with money, amassing recruits, and armed with guns, rockets, and explosives, they are fighting to regain power. They have mounted a string of massive suicide bombings and rocket attacks against American and NATO forces; more U.S. troops died in Afghanistan during 2005 and 2006 than during the peak of the war. With astounding boldness...

#96 ted
No, it was a way to cheat the protien count in their products. They've been doing it for quite some time but they started to puch their luck by adding too much.

65 st pancake
Definitely some paper mache!

#70 MigueldowninMexico - I understand your frustration and anger mi amigo, truly I do.
But PLEASE reconsider your postion.
We value your voice, views and friendship - most folks out here who criticize him, albeit perhaps not on this thread - haven't had time to read it all, are usually doing so because they feel he hasn't been aggressive enough. Their frustration levels can reach the boiling point too.
Chill, my friend and come back when you're a little more cool - again, we DO value your views, voice and friendship, very much.

#98 buzzsawmonkey
Thanks for the school.

I guess I forgot that some people on LGF can't deal with any criticism of Bush or the Republicans, and tend to equate it with "supporting the Democrats," "joining the enemy," etc.

Let me step back into line.

Uncontrolled illegal immigration, and a total lack of border security, is no problem at all.

Selling our country out to a Communist nation that constantly violates human rights standards, threatens Taiwan, and tramples on religious freedoms, is a fair price to pay to insure a continued flow of $40 DVD players.

I apologize for my momentary ideological non-compliance.

# 96 ted

Ya wanna expand on that a bit ? Without more detail, it seems to be a conspiracy nut post.

#96 ted

I'm not a pet owner, but has anyone suggested a terrorism angle to this?

I haven't heard any, but with the Chinese, anything's possible. A trial run?

Actually, I suspect deliberate adulteration on the manufacturers' part (to boost the protein "content" and therefore, profit) and massive incompetence on the Chinese government's part.

#59 ted

so whats your point?

Before Iraq, the ME was a bastion of peace, stability and human rights?

No, that showing mercy to savages by fearing to kill them, incurring the wrath of "the international community" (read: enemy nations), and merely hoping that they will want to live free under a half-assed "democracy" (read: tribal mob rule) is immoral and self-destructive. There are ways to combat the enemy other than the Right's way of hamstringing our brave men and making suicidal compromises or the Left's way of all-out surrender. The only way to fight is with everything we've got -- no apologies, no delay, and no charity when it's over.

OFF TOPIC:

[Link: chronicle.augusta.com...]

"Unexploded bomb rolls out of Fed Ex drop-off box"
By Adam Folk | Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 1, 2007 9:53 a.m.

ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Authorities said this morning they are investigating an unexploded, homemade bomb found Monday night in a Fed Ex drop-off box at 1550 Marvin Griffin Road.

A delivery driver was emptying the bin when six Powerade bottles taped together and filled with gunpowder and nails rolled out, a Richmond County sheriff's report said.

The Richmond County Bomb Squad was called and crime scene techicians are searching for any other evidence, Maj. Ken Autry said this morning.

"The crime scene guys are working it now and they will contact the ATF to see what they can offer," Maj. Autry said."

From the Tuesday, May 1, 2007 online edition of The Augusta Chronicle

Republicans had a name for these creatures during the Civil War:

Copperheads.

Same sh*t. Different war. The public was just as fickle and well fed on sensationalist newspapers then as it is now.

Some things never change.

Glad he vetoed it. The ignorance of the core issues and the reality of the war the Democrats display and their complete lack of a spine disgust me.

is there a video feed of the speech somewhere?

I think it's fairly easy for us armchair presidents to be really hard on POTUS. He's privy to much info that we never hear about. He has to be both politician and Commander-In-Chief. So why don't some of you LGF critics of our President give it a rest.

#70 MigueldowninMexico
I'm too angry at the dim conservatives that have a pet issue and as it has not been solved, then the whole Conservative government is trash.

Miguel, I'm not sure you're really seeing what you think you're seeing.

76 bill-tb

Your assessment, I believe, is quite correct; they've crossed the line - this is no longer political dissent or debate.

Biden's already crowing about approving 'some' part of the funds for APC's or some-such - push the SoB's to the limit. All or none. I certainly wouldn't want someone to historically record:

The Olmert Bush government’s most serious mistake was not smashing these barbarians more thoroughly when they had the chance; instead they caved in to {ed: domestic political and} international pressure, media subversion, and United Nations malfeasance, and ended the war before it was truly finished.

#111 religion of bacon

Put away the strawman blunderbuss, will ya?

Jay-sus.

For all of you wanting the Republicans to cut spending, where do you suggest they do it? This is not a flippant question because I have my own ideas (disband DO Education and NEA for starters but they're chicken feed). But to really make a dent, the cuts are not going to be popular.

Because the only place you can really cut discretionary spending to make a real dent (short of the military which I'm against) is entitlements - the major reason we're in debt up to our eyeballs. Granted, there's a lot of pork attachment to proposals that can go but that's still not going to get us in the black.

And for anyone under 50, we ought to be making that a priority. It's the pink elephant in the middle of the room no one wants to address because no one dares piss off the AARP and no one can get elected that's against it.

# 98 buzzsawmonkey

A constitutional constructionist. I like the cut o' yer jib, sir.

Daily Kos, What a joke. Those Morons are So far out of touch with Reality. I would bet good money that at least two thirds of those losers can`t even point out Israel / Iraq / Iran on a Map. They just believe whatever their Lefty Mentors tell them, and then spew forth the same Garbage. It must be a real chore to be that Ignorant.

83 Kaos Hiker

I agree. The bummer is, so many have been brainwashed to believe that there is NO radical islam. Then you have hollywood pretending like there is no war and the dems playing this situation down to..it was a mistake to fight or *it's just in need of policing..not military*.

#70 MigueldowninMexico

Well, I'll answer.

BRAVO, MIGUEL!

As a life-long (well, since I was 18) Democract, I can seriously say that my party is screwed up.

Good for the President.

/One thing I think both the current Pres and former Preses would be in favor of - line item veto.

#93 zombie

Heh-heh-heh.

The Congress is NOT the Commander-in-Chief. If Bush didn't veto it... well, it would have been very bad. The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing.

#118
Snakespit: Amen!
Vetoing this bill throws the ball back to the imbeciles that drafted the piece of crap legislation. Nope, not worthy of anyone's signature...especially not POTUS.

is Nancy going blinky blinky?

#114 Lazarus

The only way to fight is with everything we've got -- no apologies, no delay, and no charity when it's over.

That's kind of what we're already doing. But these are terrorists we are fighting, not a uniformed enemy that is more easy to spot. Even bombing everything in sight would not stop them.

# 122 Goodbye Natalie. Well We can start by cutting off the Billions of Dollars of aid donated freely to Governments and Dictators Who only use our wealth to fund programs bent on Destroying Us. North Korea / Hamas / Russia.
I think that would free up a lot of Loot, and make America safer at the same time.

#80 captain b-1

Where are any solutions?

The solution is for Americans to demand that the President protect us from our enemies. It's his sworn Constitutional duty and it's essential for our lives as Americans. There can be no moral defense of compromise between our lives that we want and our deaths that totalitarian Islam wants. We must demand leadership that we defend us to the utmost, and if our current President won't, then he must be denounced for that failure and replaced with someone who will.

It doesn't matter that other nations will howl with rage. What's their objection, that we stand firm on self-defense? If they oppose our killing the enemy, then they are no better than the enemy and they can drop dead, too.

Bush has spent the last six years trying to succeed in compromising between good and evil. It's wrong and it's futile.

OT...

I hear the helicopters hovering, see the illegals gathering, and the massive traffic jam near the Seattle Center for their protest (delaying my journey home : (

Bush II in a nutshell: mediocre. Really bad on somethings; pretty good on others. Personally, I like the man. But I don't like the politics of appeasement of which it seems he's fallen in to so easily without putting up much of a fight.

Still beats the hell out of Clinton and Jimmah, though.

#116 Radar

Republicans had a name for these creatures during the Civil War:

Copperheads.

So what do we call the modern equivalents? Copperbottoms? Kosheads? Whatever, I think our modern ones are worse by far, after all, the North wasn't actually attacked by jihadi Southerners.

#117 skysoldier
You can watch the speech here

#70 Miguel

You are probably still reading even though you say you arent.

I'm too angry at the dim conservatives that have a pet issue and as it has not been solved, then the whole Conservative government is trash.

There has been good and bad with Bush and his administration.

Tax cuts good.
War on Terror good and bold start.
2 good Supreme Court justices (so far).

Bad Bills on spending galore.
Allowed nominees for cabinet, U.N. and lower courts to twist while savagely attacked with little defense from his administration.
Kept Clinton appointees in justice and CIA and is paying for it.
Have not defended the war or justified war adequately in public.

Have not attacked lies by enemies and allowed them to flourish.

Have not prosecuted the war with requisite ruthlessness.

As a result of weakness and lack of conservative voter support lost congress in last election. This was a mistake by conservatives, but like you they were disgusted and left.

This may make you mad, but too bad. Those are the facts.

I agree, a line item veto isn't the way to go. But I sure would like to see some sort of congressional term limits.

#137 goodbye_natalie

Exactly.

#70 MigueldowninMexico

I know you are gone now, but consider yourself hugged, Miguel. Thank you.

Someone a while back made the point that the President deserves the respect of the office even if one does not respect the individual. This was in relation to President Clinton. I personally think President Clinton was in serious error during his tenure, but I still always give him his title. I might not like the man, but he was President.

President Bush is not perfect, but I am not going to second guess the man, who is doing the hardest job (or one of them) there is, made harder by the War on Terror and all the back-biters.

What a complete mess. In my opinion we have been 'not fighting' this war since the beginning, letting Saudi Arabia off the hook & letting the enemy have whole countries as sanctuaries.

Reid and Pelosi then make matters worse, with actions that amount to treason, and then they claim they represent 'what the American People want.'

This veto is small.

I spit.

#138 I agree...let's just call them traitors and be done with it. Straight to the point.

I agree they are more dangerous. I also believe that, unfortunately, this war will get more dangerous for us before it gets better. I think there will be a few more major attacks when we finally wake up to the real threat. I hope it isn't too late by then.

Dinner time. later all.

#134 buzzsaw,

I'm with you on the line item veto. Sounds great in theory but it has three big assumptions that I'm not willing to concede to one individual:

(1) fairness, (2) honesty, (3) integrity.

Gotta love the tards at KOS... all gathered around the kool-aid pit...bathing, relieving themselves and, of course drinking it up...

138 The South invaded the North several times.

#70 MigueldowninMexico

Methinks you have rushed to judgement. I speak only for myself in saying that my greatest complaint against GWB is that he is failing to respond to his attackers with the same energy they attack his administration. Such is the nature of American politics of late. In reading the posts on this board, I garner that this opinion is shared by many here and expressed in different ways. I could be wrong, my kids tell me that all the time, but I think what you read here is a sense of frustration rather than a refusal of GWB and his policies.

#16 zombie

As an avid fan of zombies of all types, it occurred to me that you (as a Zombie with a capital "Z") could simply chomp on the brains of some of the protesters at these events and thus build your own zombie army to take snapshots for you ...

Then it occurred to me that those progressive protesters actually having brains to chomp was going to be somewhat of a problem.

/Hey! I got a firstie! woo hoo!

#89 ted

Yes. Whenever I feel exasperated with Bush, I think of the alternative . . . and shake with horror.

TO: Charles Johnson, et al.
RE: Typical

"Daily Kos: Bush To Cut-Off Funding For Troops Today" -- Charles Johnson, citing Daily Kos

I'm reminded of a presentation I heard from the local DA; a self-described 'bulldog liberal'.

He indicated that his greatest concern was that people today lack 'critical thinking skills'. This isn't to say they don't know how to criticize. Rather he meant they didn't have enough synapses to put together in order to derive a logical conclusion.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. When he described himself as a 'bulldog liberal', I could not help thinking that bulldogs should be kept behind tall, sturdy fences and when trotted out, closely held on a tight leash.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Bush has an obligation to explain his plan for responsibly ending the war.

President Bush has already done this numerous times. He has said U.S. forces will leave when their presence is no longer needed. You can't put a date on that. Allied leaders made plans throughout WWII for responsibly ending the war. But they made them with no real idea of how long the war was going to last. Furthermore, what exactly are the dhimmicrats going to do about Iraq? Do they have any real Iraq policy, or is this just political posturing? I suspect the latter.

#143 buzzmonkey
Please, we all know the current system is heavily slanted towards incumbents. It's the "I want to everyone else's rep voted out but mine, since he is starting to get seniority and really bringing home the bacon" syndrome.

#132 mickthemick

That's kind of what we're already doing. But these are terrorists we are fighting, not a uniformed enemy that is more easy to spot. Even bombing everything in sight would not stop them.

We're not fighting at all. We give our soldiers impossible, suicidal rules of engagement, that value the lives of the enemy over our own. Bombing everything in sight would definitely stop them. They fight because they believe they can threaten us into submission, and we prove them right. We must destroy what they fight for, the things that they value. When mosques are used as training camps and engines of Islamic propaganda, they must be levelled. When foreign leaders doublecross us, they must pay. When civilians rat our soldiers out to they enemy, they must be killed. We can only survive if we're willing to destroy what the enemy values. They will stop when we show them that we don't give a damn about them.

#149

True, but when you lost to Confederates the Union (a political entity) is destroyed (a very bad thing).

When you lose to Islam you get your head cut off and the survivors live under Sharia law.

Much, MUCH worse.

#139, thanks

Seriously though, what I don't get is why make such an insane bill? If congress wants to surrender/withdraw/advance in the other direction, why the hell not just call for immediate withdrawal?

#122 goodbye_natalie 5/01/2007 4:04:14 pm PDT

I try to save all the money I can for when I retire. I'd like to choose my own retirement options (no social security, a different form of investing) but it's just not allowed. So all I can do is save up and hope it's enough.

I understand, though, that most people do not have such an option. And many of those who could save money so they won't be a drain on the system when they retire, cannot be trusted to have the responsibility to take care of themselves. I would have no pity on them for their ill preparation if there were no SS, much like I have no pity on those who get too much debt from loans.

Well, I waded over to DU, and found this tired screed.

White House: Bush to explain veto of war funding bill

For addition grins, see their post on Hershey.

My FIL is past 80 years old, hard core conservative, and Joe Biden is gonna be the death of that poor guy. I've got the video here where Biden says of Bush, "We’re going to shove it down his throat."

157 radar

Yes much worse.

But both battles were and are to save, to have, a decent civilization.

Throw the Rascals out!

And with that I'm out. I need a WORK OUT.

The war is already a failure. It does not really matter if used his magic veto or not. Islam and democracy with freedom for all don't mix. Maybe if he picked up a Quran and read it he might understand the correct strategy for victory.

He is only delaying the finial outcome of this pointless attempt to civilize savages.

#155 lowandslow 5/01/2007 4:18:37 pm PDT

It is disheartening to have a large group of people concerned only with their own self-interest when they are supposed to be worried about the people who voted for them, but it's hard to find people that decent who would likewise want the position.

#155 lowandslow,

It's the "I want to everyone else's rep voted out but mine, since he is starting to get seniority and really bringing home the bacon" syndrome.

I quite agree. But doesn't that really put the blame on the American people? We've allowed it to come to this.

I know people in West Virginia that disdain Byrd but because he continues to line the state coffers, they vote for him anyway. Until that mentality changes, we're going to continue to limp along no matter who's running Congress.

#158 skysoldier
Because they couldn't get the votes to withdaw the war authorization. Their timeline is non-binding and purely symbolic.
It'll be interesting to see how this pissing contest plays out with the public but I'm afraid the Koskidz "frame" may actually work.

Good for Bush. No surprise there.

Also no surprise about this. Makes me mad every time I think about it.

Can there be any doubt?

Our special forces need to target this guy!

#164 Kepler, and what would your "final outcome" be?

Just a quick note:

What is quoted in comment #26 is complete and utter bullshit.

By any measure of the term.

SMELL
TEST,
R

OT:

A CNN moonbat described Joe "Toilet Mouth" Bidens insult to GWB as an "example of how passionate he [Biden] is about Iraq"

F*cking Moron.

#162

Absolutely agree.

I also believe a template for victory is also found in our history: the same way we defeated Nazi Germany and especially Imperial Japan can and should be applied to the war on Islamofascism. I imagine a lot of you have already read it, but read "No Substitute for Victory" by John Lewis who lays it out much more eloquently than I ever could...

As an aside, I don't like to call it a war on terror. Let's be blunt and call it what it is: a war on Islam. we didn't wage a war on Blitzkreig in WWII, we shouldn't resort to waging a war on a tactic (terror) used by our enemy today.

Rare photograph of zombie (on the left) at her real world job.

#93 zombie

Whew! That's real-world?

/what d'yall suppose zombie-time is like, then?

#160 St. Pancake
Re: Hershy

It is shifting some work to contractors and a plant being built in Mexico, and has formed joint ventures to begin making its products in China and India.

The world is flat, they'd better get used to it. Whomever wants to work most gets to work.

The Dems were so excited about having the chance to lead in Washington after the last election, but it seems now that their contempt and hatred for GWB is so out of control they can not bring themselves to pass any bills that he'll actually sign.

Really, the Mainstream Dems have painted themselves into a corner with all the relentless insults and attacks on GWB. After making him out to be a complete bumbling bufoon, they can't be on record agreeing with him about anything, Thus no bills signed into law, and two years of a do-nothing Congress. Nice job Dems. Thats leadership!

Its almost comical. Pelosi/Reid Inc. are like a dog that chases cars.. no idea what to do if they ever actually catch one.

170 r:

I agree:

#15 TEd,

The democRATS will reap what they sow, miserable bunch of scumbags they are.

One may look at your quote and think it is a bit extreme.. Well, maybe 40 years ago it would be, but I have to admit the liberals are a bunch of scumbags.. True scumbags put pride, and greed for power, above the well being of our hero's who are saving our nation from harm.

The liberals truly are the Green Goblins of our time.. ;-)

The fourth anniversary of the invasion.

I love the Bill Kristol quote re the Sunnis and Shias. And teh Fred Barnes one about setting up a democracy. To think that these people all still have their jobs is pretty amazing.

135 Lazarus

While Bush has not been perfect, it's hard to lay the blame one one man for not having it all straightened out when this has been brewing for decades...it can't be just fixed like that..nor is there a handbook that says how the future will go and here are the steps one must take. I do not believe the Middle East is worse off after USA and allied forces' actions according to yaron and co. Wars never are pretty and sometimes there are setbacks. As the enemy changes, so we must as well. Bush has mentioned that time and time again...it tells me they have had to switch things up quite a bit meeting with an enemy that has wayyy different tactics than they have dealt with before.

I think most of the west after such a nice lull (only because it was pushed aside and ignored and not confronted earlier) is finally seeing how barbaric these thugs are. They have ALWAYS been bloody, horrible, and barbaric..hell bent on destroying just to destroy. They need no reason really, it's because THEY CAN!

As voters, we screwed the pooch on this one and left our President to hang out to dry by not voting Republican...and we lost the congress. This makes it really hard to pound the fist on the table when you have to compromise and power is altered. Considering this is what he is dealing with, I have to say I admire him following through with what he said, something I'm NOT used to from the clinton years.

I want the Republicans now to grab their boots up by the boot straps and start to work on winning the propaganda war instead of succumbing to it. But by the same token, I recognize the voter apathy/stupidity/inability to see long term as putting us in this position of not fully supporting our troops...

A masterpiece of turnspeak from the Kos Kidz: Daily Kos: Bush To Cut-Off Funding For Troops Today.

Since turnspeak may not yet be in LGF's glossary/FAQ:
A technique of propaganda called "Turnspeak"
Arafat's use of "Turnspeak" to say Israel causes terrorism

OT: Suspect additive commonly used in China

"A lot of animal food companies buy melamine from us to add in the animal feed," Ji said. "This can lower the production cost and increase nitrogen levels."

Ji played down the risk, saying that despite China's repeated food safety scares, the companies could be trusted to use melamine safely.

"I believe it won't do any harm if there is only very small amount," Ji said. "Otherwise, those companies could not do that."

Maybe Ji is unfamiliar with the term scapegoat.

Damn, he looks tired and rather frankly I can't blame him...
Islamism is a belief much as communism was, we won the cold war because we had the resolve to do so and this one could be done just as easy...
But why keep fighting for people that spit on you and want to throw out every victory and sacrifice you ever had and even have the balls to claim this is "support" fuck em...
I mean bottom line why risk my neck?

173 Ringo:

You mean zombies not a vegan?

zombie --

At least we didn't have the parade down Market Street this year driving us all nuts - I don't know where they all ended up.

I'm listening to Steely Dan on my box set - "Sign in Stranger" - with the lyric "you zombie - be born again my friend." Can't hear it anymore without thinking of you. You have infiltrated "The Dan."

Michagain,

Its almost comical. Pelosi/Reid Inc. are like a dog that chases cars.. no idea what to do if they ever actually catch one.

Hopefully, they will get too close to the tires, and won't need to figure out what to do.. ;-)
Doggy heaven!

#184 Ted

Don't be silly. Zombie eats BRAINS!

Wow. Virtually no concensus here regarding our government, or its leadership. All over the place. Pretty scary, when you consider the alternative - anarchy. We'll never, ever defeat our enemies divided. If you've lost faith in American democracy, you certainly have the right to do so. You have three choices - reform through a constitutionally defined framework, total indifference...or revolution. Pick one. There are no multiple choices here, folks.

Hello, just a final note from the UK as I turn in for the night:
From tomorrow's newspapers:
From the Times (columnist is the ever reliable Michael Gove)
It's not 'foreign policy' stupid! (on Islamism)
From the Telegraph: Ex-Islamist: It's been going on for ages

If only more of the public got clued-up...hoping articles and programmes (like last night's Newsnight) help.
Anyway, toodle-pip!

Mich again,
I meant political death of course..

Oh, and did the traitors ever give a reason for the seemingly arbitrary date of October 1st for withdrawal?

In what universe do these idiots live that setting arbitrary dates like this for a situation like this have any meaning other than political grandstanding?

I haven't seen anyone involved in the creation of this bill, any leftist pundits, Koskidz, or ANYONE that supports this bill give some rationale for the date.I mean, did they have some core reason for that date that they aren't sharing with us?

Why October 1st? What is the significance of that date? Why not sooner? What happens if the date is not adhered to? What are the repercussions in the bill for going over that date?

What tangible alternative does this bill offer to actually "rescue" this war they feel is in such dire straits.

Just curious.

I am afraid I already know the answer...

/crickets from the left of the aisle

169 skysoldier 5/01/2007 4:25:01 pm PDT

#164 Kepler, and what would your "final outcome" be?

More Rubble...

Less Trouble...

So far I see more building and thus more trouble which is the wrong strategy when dealing with the children of Mohammad.

I am with Hugh Fitzgerald and Robert Spencer on this one (www.Jihadwatch.com). The Iraqi democracy project will not work unless you change or re-write the faith of Islam.

That is life. Sort of like gravity.

Just sent my May Day Union Square photos to Charles..

I hope he likes 'em! Otherwise I'll throw them up on my blog so you all can see.

#183 skysoldier

I hear you. I just pray to God our troops aren't reading many of these threads in which people rail on and on about how the jihadis are defeating us in Afghanistan and how Iraq is a total failure.

176 Killgore Trout
Glad you liked it. I do emjoy reading their take on economics and the free market.
:D

Supporters of Castro are having to work hare there now on the thread. Many removals of posts regarding Fidelito.
May Day and Castro

Of course, no one has commented yet that Fidel is nowhere to be found.

161 EC Marm 5/01/2007 4:21:17 pm PDT

My FIL is past 80 years old, hard core conservative, and Joe Biden is gonna be the death of that poor guy. I've got the video here where Biden says of Bush, "We’re going to shove it down his throat."

I swear the dem party acts thuggish..wow yet another parallel to our *friends of peace*.

I maintain that if we expect our kids to behave in school and in society, this type of stuff being shown by our elected officials that should act with decorum needs to stop. But they justify it...every time. Sick.

193 NoSub:

I hope Charles does:

On a normal day Union Square is a commie cesspool.

I can't believe that that flaccid loser Harry Reid actually said (paraphrase) "The President owes us an explanation of how he plans to bring this war to a responsible end".

Of course, the President has a plan, and it doesn't bear much explaining. WIN. Beat the enemy until they stop trying.

Harry Reid also has a plan. LOSE. Stop trying, and say we were beaten.

This is a civil Cold War. We're just not shooting at each other (yet?).

The Religion of Peace at prayer...
Man gets owned at prayer session

Don't be late.

#172 radar

call it what it is: a war on Islam.

there is a marine base somewhere with a mosque and marine mullah. it is not a war on islam.

161 EC Marm 5/01/2007 4:21:17 pm PDT

My FIL is past 80 years old, hard core conservative, and Joe Biden is gonna be the death of that poor guy. I've got the video here where Biden says of Bush, "We’re going to shove it down his throat."

!

That's a line I'd expect in a porn movie (change the "his" pronoun to "her" and President Clinton might say it also).

What isss this world coming (no pun intended) to?

#192 Kepler - Unfortunately not really an option

1) we tried walking on a war torn country too poor to even form a government and that didn't work, we had to go back to Afghanistan a few years back

2) Islam is a bit difficult to reconcile with democracy, but it is possible. Muslims participate in democracy just fine in Israel and India.

3) Look how politically untenable even the nice aproach is. Besides anybody who has ever seriously studied insurgency knows you need carrots to go along with the sticks. The main problem is we don't have big enough carrots or sticks in Iraq

Speaker of PA Legislature: Kill Every Last Jew & American

In a televised address to a packed mosque, the Acting Speaker of the Palestinian Authority's Legislative Council called for the killing of every last Jew and American. His speech and murderous prayer were delivered in an unidentified packed mosque and broadcast on an official PA-controlled television station.

/let's give 'em a State!

When it comes to the arguments between conservatives, Libertarians and such over the state of our nation, the balance of the branches, growth of government, constitutional issues etc. etc.

Lets win this war for our lives first, THEN we can talk about that stuff...

(And if any organization has got to go...please let it be the ATF first please!)

Ok...dinner getting cold by now...

Right, KKKos, it was BUSH who cut off funding for the troops. If your nutjob leadership of moonbats had the cajones to show what they really stand for, they would have simply sent a bill to the President denying all funding and demanding immediate withdrawal. Which is what the darlings of al-Qaeda, Reid, Murtha and Pelousy, want anyway.

Oh, believe me I'm not questioning their patriotism. I KNOW they haven't got any.

Another excellent video from UN Watch...
islamic sudan and its arab allies deny darfur genocide in U.N

The speech from the UN Watch guy is spectacular as usual.

#177 Mich-again

Its almost comical. Pelosi/Reid Inc. are like a dog that chases cars.. no idea what to do if they ever actually catch one.

LOL! You have no idea just how close you are to the truth!

The imagery has me LMAO!

188 Cartman

Kind of makes you admire our founding fathers more huh? Of course they fled persecution and had been fighting for freedom so they had a better idea (as well as more cohesive goals) of what the *alternatives* were. Kind of goes back to my thinking that people have been allowed to live in lala land for so long by letting all this stuff slide...and now it's time to pay the piper.

188 Cartman

I choose..

reform through a constitutionally defined framework

Which is why I really don't get the whole point of taking the time and effort to create a piece of legislation that you know is going right in the garbage can. Its tantrum politics.

The problem with government is that the big city machines are starting to run with precision and fluidity.

Government is now big enough to ensure consistent election victories through jobs, hand-outs and contracts if the right people are elected in many places.

The cities have had this in the bag for decades, now its moving to the state level and in some places the federal level. All of it favors democrats who are populists in nature and have no compunction with this system.

206 Killgore Trout

Thank you! I sent them on to many others.

A need to view, imho.

#200 Sorry, I don't give a flying crap if there IS a base with a Mullah and a Mosque. Islam has loudly and boldly declared war on US. Call it what it is.

Just as there were Germans and Japanese who wished us no ill will during WWII and some who fled here or lived here during the war and who even served in our armed forces (such as Muslims in the Army do today) (Nisei Japanese fighting in Italy), we were still at war with Germany (Nazism) and Japan. The existence of peaceful Muslims in this country, even those serving in our armed forces does not change the fundamental fact that this IS a war between Islam and the west. The road goes both ways too...there are Westerners fighting on their side.

We can agree to disagree on this, and maybe it is just semantics, but I like to cut to the heart of the matter and call it what it is.

You know what else is so sickening? How much money the Democrat majority has wasted, pissed away, gobbled up on their little schemes of posturing and blocking and grandstanding and everything worthless and useless sicne they took over.
It's not their money to squander. Thye are not working to make the country safer. They are using their positions to bring about a military defeat and a slow coup. Does Pelosi have covetous eyes on the presidency? She wants to drag Bush and Cheny down, and then she'll be first woman president? The press will cheer her on, run puff pieces about a female pres - not a word about how she got there.
Is that why she's going to Venezuela? To get coaching from Hugo on how to destroy a democracy? He says, "It's easy. You get in, then you dissolve Parliament, then you declare Pres for Life. No hay problemo! Ask my buddy Mugabe."
Meanwhile, her majority will tax the US citizens out the kazoo to pay for all this perfidity.

Britain's Prince Charles Compares Global Warming to Nazis...my head hurts.

Even the Goracle hasn't sunk this low...yet.

Charles has already shown that he is a part of Eurabia...what next?

Term limits, I don`t believe in them. Not even for the President. Well let Me Clarify. I do believe in elections every four to six Years. But I also believe if America wanted to keep a certain President in office. It should be our right to Vote Him,or Her back in, regardless of how many terms they have already served. For the People. By the People.

Deadbeat Democrats high-fiving each other while Petreaus and our amazing troops are creating miracles in Iraq.

If anyone has ever wondered about the definition of evil: laziness and selfishness, at it's core - this action by the Democrats would embody it.

Lazy Selfish Democrats

215 wanumba

It's not their money to squander.

Eggs-actly.

#208 buzzsawmonkey
I said I'd like to see it not that it's going to happen. Didn't the courts already say something that this would have to be done by amending the constitution? I don't see congress doing that.

You know what I noticed in that stupid Kos thread? The leftists and Bush-haters think that the White House exaggerated the original threat, now they think they're exaggerting the result of withdrawal. But meanwhile, they pine away for all the suffering Iraqis and the destruction we're causing - and that is supposed to be the "justification" for the Bush hatred. So that's not an exaggeration, I guess.

So how does a leftist go from no threat/exaggeration to death/destruction back to no threat/exaggeration...?

I understand that the constitution give the president authority to convene The House and Senate.

I would love to see him do it and keep all the Democrat wanna-bees tied up in Washington until they put together an acceptable bill. If they get a wild hair up their collective Azz then he also has the authority to adjourn them and should do so at that time.

The problem I have with GWB is always the same one. He tries too hard to be liked. He needs to understand that he, like Lincoln will never be liked while he is in office and/or alive. He will only be respected and appreciated in hind site. And all the more so if he takes the kid gloves off and starts wringing necks.

#212 St. Pancake
How old do you think that guy is? He looks too you to be busting balls at the UN but he does an incredible job.

Immigration By The Numbers (video)

OSHI-

214 buzzsawmonkey

Re Democrats and sex:

THE ELEPHANT IN THE BEDROOM
Ten (and a half) reasons why Republicans—yes, Republicans—are the best party in bed By Anonymous

This GQ article really stuck in the Dems' craw - no pun intended. ;)

#213 Bullshit
Even if what you are alleging is true,even if there was a united "Islam" with a leader that can be pointed to, your solution is patently untenable. You simply cannot declare war on a religion. The problem is there is too fine a line between this and genocide.

There are indeed many Arabs, many Muslims that fully support democracy freedom et al. Things have to be targeted and intelligent. Yes, charge imams with terrorist ties with hate speech, speech incting violence, conspiracy or whatnot, but you simply cannot declare war on an entire people, do you honestly think there is the willpower in the west to do that?

I'm confused, is Zombie a female meat cutter or a male pole dancer?

#181 Highrise
I want the Republicans now to grab their boots up by the boot straps and start to work on winning the propaganda war instead of succumbing to it. But by the same token, I recognize the voter apathy/stupidity/inability to see long term as putting us in this position of not fully supporting our troops...

I agree with your notion that successfully addressing the body politic as a whole will be the key to ultimately galvanizing support. We need a sympathetic media outlet to help distribute IMAGES. (beyond Al Goracle's Innernet.)

Images of people jumping from the Twin Towers. Daniel Pearl. Fabrizio Quattrocci. Palestinian child abuse (to borrow a phrase from Charles.) Videos of Imams worldwide calling for the death of Jews and Americans. This in my opinion is the only thing that will provide Joe and Jill Six-pack with some kind of handle to ever be able to eventually "get it."

I believe that confronted with the honest brutality and complete barbarity of our enemies, even the mouth breathers hopelessly addicted to Idol, and Dancing with the Stars will have an epiphany of clarity and conscience.

#216 NY Nana

Maybe "Dumbo" the Prince of Wails, should go back to talking to his roses and leave work to the people who have, oh, I dunno, A JOB?

Programming note: Fred is on Hannity & Colmes tonight.

#181 Highrise

While Bush has not been perfect, it's hard to lay the blame one one man for not having it all straightened out when this has been brewing for decades...it can't be just fixed like that..nor is there a handbook that says how the future will go and here are the steps one must take. I do not believe the Middle East is worse off after USA and allied forces' actions according to yaron and co. Wars never are pretty and sometimes there are setbacks. As the enemy changes, so we must as well. Bush has mentioned that time and time again...it tells me they have had to switch things up quite a bit meeting with an enemy that has wayyy different tactics than they have dealt with before.

I don't blame Bush alone for failing to crush the jihad. The military leadership, Congress, and the American people themselves are all to blame for being unwilling to stand up to our enemy. But Bush leads the military, and his charge is to protect this country from its enemies with all the authority he is given, and he has failed miserably to do that.

It could be fixed very quickly, if we fought like we meant it. The jihadists don't have weapons beyond our match or brilliant military strategists or overwhelming industrial might. Their main weapon is guilting us into appeasing them, and the West's rampant self-hatred makes us perfect accomplices.

You say there is no handbook for the future. But there is. The handbook is resolute action determined by moral principles, such as the principle that we are Americans and our lives are not up for negotiation to savages. If you threaten us, we will unleash everything we have at you until you stop.

What new tactics that they have do you really think we have to adapt to if we were willing to fight to win? These are not masterminds. In fact, they are unremitting cowards. But they know we are also cowards who are afraid to kill them, and that makes them more deadly. In the past, they hated us, but they kept their bloodbath to themselves, because they knew we weren't afraid. They only threaten us now, because we tolerate it.

And for all of you who mock the claim that the Middle East is worse now than before the war, how do you answer the fact that terrorist groups now run Iraq and Afghanistan, have been given political power by the U.S., and the sanction of the civilized world, where before they were merely gangs of outlaws. They are just as rabid and deadly as ever, only now they have our naive stamp of approval.

#221 bryan999

You know what I noticed in that stupid Kos thread? The leftists and Bush-haters think that the White House exaggerated the original threat

The White House exaggerated the original threat?

/what about these people?

#211 dll200
The cities have had this in the bag for decades, now its moving to the state level and in some places the federal level. All of it favors democrats who are populists in nature and have no compunction with this system

That's my concern. This election was won by Democrat voting surges at the end of the day, all in the big cities, which out-voted the state trends to Republican.
Never felt more disenfranchised when I looked at that computer screen and had zero sense that anything was being recorded, and wondered why the poll worker kept leaning back and reaching in to the screen between voters.
And for repeat voters, problem in the cities especially, if the purple finger works for the Iraqis, surely it can work for us. The removable stickers are a joke.

#227 Fredlike

I'm confused, is Zombie a female meat cutter or a male pole dancer?

Damn zombie - your cover has been blown.

#151

Yeah, zombie does need more people to help out. I tried last weekend with the impeachment stuff. I wanted to go to Kucinich's speech on Saturday but could not. Frankly, this part of the school year drains everything out of me. I had to work on papers, homework, and had to study for finals. I'm hoping things won't be so bad next semester. I'd like to see these crazies up close and personal. Of course I might be tempted to knock them upside the head.

Well Israel listened to the Lefties, and look what it gained them. Hezb`allah is more of a threat than ever. Lebanon is in Chaos. Even though they are claim total victory over Israel. I predict this War to resume very soon.

214 buzzsawmonkey

Tantrum politics and Tantric sex--the Democratic Party platform.

OK I have to go hurl now.

#140 dll2000,
Who I blame most for the conservatives losing congress are the great and wise ones who stayed home from the polls in order to send their stupid little protest. Really worked well didn't it. Yeah, I'm talking to some LGF members here.

217 Kaos Hiker

If the President didn't have term limits, we could end up with clinton with many more years.

I believe that power "usually" does corrupt. Some of the more balanced congressmembers I have heard talk have said they wanted to come in, do a few terms to serve their country, and get back to personal life. I think that is healthy. I'm really not thinking career politician in one specific office is real healthy. Doesn't mean they can't run for other offices. Hasn't every Oresident looked more grey and tired during their 2nd stint when they get reelected?

Here in California, I have long suspected it was how the voting LINES were drawn and that is one reason why we can't seem to get a foothold with the dems. It is sickening to see the state ran by it's cities and city values. We tried to pass a reformation of voting redistricting lines in california but the dems would have none of that, no surprise. So in our case, I really DO think term limits would have done us more good. Our Governor's office is limited to 2 consecutive terms and it's worked well imo.

Know your military history and you need not repeat such stupidity. The British found out in the 1920s what Iraq is. In fact Islam in general...

Gertrude Bell who was a archaeologist and explorer, intelligence officer and diplomat of the British Empire wrote of Iraq during her time there...

"It's a problem here how to get into touch with the Shiahs, not the tribal people in the country; we're on intimate terms with all of them, but the grimly devout citizens of the holy towns and more especially the leaders of religious opinion, the Mujtahids, who can loose and bind with a word by authority which rests on an intimate acquaintance with accumulated knowledge entirely irrelevant to human affairs and worthless in any branch of human activity. There they sit in an atmosphere which reeks of antiquity and is so thick with the dust of ages that you can't see through it -- nor can they. And for the most part they are very hostile to us, a feeling we can't alter…There's a group of these worthies in Kadhimain, the holy city, 8 miles from Baghdad, bitterly pan-Islamic, anti-British…Chief among them are a family called Sadr, possibly more distinguished for religious learning than any other family in the whole Shiah world….I went yesterday [to visit them] accompanied by an advanced Shiah of Baghdad whom I knew well." Baghdad, March 14, 1920

"We have had a stormy week. The Nationalist propaganda increases. There are constant meetings in mosques where the mental temperature rises a great deal above 113. The extremists are out for independence, without a mandate. They play for all they are worth on the passions of the mob and what with the Unity of Islam and the Rights of the Arab Race they make a fine figure. They have created a reign of terror; if anyone says boo in the bazaar it shuts like an oyster. There has been practically no business done for the last fortnight…." Baghdad, June 14th, 1920

"We are now in the middle of a full-blown Jihad, that is to say we have against us the fiercest prejudices of a people in a primeval state of civilization." Gertrude Bell, Baghdad, Iraq, September 5, 1920

"In the light of the events of the last two months there's no getting out of the conclusion that we have made an immense failure here. The system must have been far more at fault than anything that I or anyone else suspected. It will have to be fundamentally changed and what that may mean exactly I don't know. I suppose we have underestimated the fact that this country is really an inchoate mass of tribes which can't as yet be reduced to any system. The Turks didn't govern and we have tried to govern - and failed. I personally thought we tried to govern too much, but I hoped that things would hold out till Sir Percy came back and that the transition from British to native rule might be made peacefully, in which case much of what we have done might have been made use of. Now I fear that that will be impossible." Bell, 1920

"We as outsiders can't differentiate between Sunni and Shi'ah, but leave it to them and they'll get over the difficulty by some kind of hanky panky, just as the Turks did, and for the present it's the only way of getting over it. I don't for a moment doubt that the final authority must be in the hands of the Sunnis, in spite of their numerical inferiority; otherwise you will have a mujtahid-run, theocratic state, which is the very devil." Bell, 1920

#225 Cattt,

Somewhat of an old joke:

The reasons elephants are better in the bedroom is because the jackasses sit on the side of the bed and tell you how good it's going to be, then do nothing.

#242 Kepler, and the Brits still managed to stay in Iraq until the late 1950's... and as long as we are taking lessons from british failures, what about the mess along the India/Pakistan border from following an artificial time table.

Tell me though, what sensible alternative is there to a classic counterinsurgent campaign such as that practiced by, yes the Brits, in Malay? The method they used in Kenya may be preferable to you but again, untenable.

This was stated at the beginning of this thread:

What the heck is wrong in Washington, where it is only the liberal pols that get to speak trash and lies, while those we look to don't have the balls to speak the truth about the villains on the left.

It's not about having "more balls" to speak the truth. The pro-freedom and anti-terrorism voices of this country provide enough resonance and volume against these scumbag leftists and WE are speaking. Bush is far more gallant than any of those dirty Democrats... and he has no reason to get nasty with his rhetoric.

I think his speech was very firm and very direct. He brought up the fact that, after the first phase of withdrawal, the remaining troops and generals would be in a more compromising and dangerous situation as the insurgents move to take over the government... That alone is reason to not call for a withdrawal!

Does anyone know if Congress set a withdrawal date for Vietnam? I'm too young to remember... ah, I guess I could look it up.

#239 Mich-again

Tantrum politics and Tantric sex--the Democratic Party platform.
OK I have to go hurl now.

"Tantrum politics" is brilliant. Did you coin that?

On the other hand I figure Pelosi is more into BDSM (bondage-dhimmi-submissive-moron)

222 bcismar

The problem I have with GWB is always the same one. He tries too hard to be liked. He needs to understand that he, like Lincoln will never be liked while he is in office and/or alive. He will only be respected and appreciated in hind site.

True. And there is nothing he can say that will convince the world how important the last 5 years have been for the long-term prospects of freedom and civilization. But history will know.

243 goodbye_natalie Hee hee - that's like talking point 7 from the GQ article, to wit:

(warning - dirty content ahead)

7. EFFICIENCY
Republicans are much more likely to whip their dicks out during the cab ride back from dinner. (This is not an urban myth.) They are also more inclined to get started in the elevator, pin you against a wall, do you on the kitchen sink, wherever. Democrats bring jammies, spend at least twenty minutes prior to “sex time” doing God knows fucking what in the bathroom, and then emerge with a big grin that says: “After all I did for you supporting equal pay and abortion rights, the least you could do is make love to me.” Democrats always think you owe them. Republicans, because they’ve never done a goddamn thing for you, have no such delusions.

246 Kenneth

Did you coin that?

I think so but who can say?

248 Cattt

Republicans, because they’ve never done a goddamn thing for you, have no such delusions.

LOL!

223 Killgore Trout
No idea, but he does a remarkable job.
I am looking for information on this remarkaable young man.
Hillel C. Neuer

I cannot figure out his age. Neverthless, he is marvelous.

#226

Read this:

[Link: www.theobjectivestandard.com...]

This lays out precisely what I am saying. Fight this war like we fought against the Japanese and the Germans. Islam does not need to be destroyed. However, Islam as a political power that permits, advocates, supports or otherwise promotes the Radical Islamic war against the west MUST be destroyed. In its place must be submitted freedom of religion. Islam should be free to exist peacefully alongside other religions. Until the powers that wage an Islamic war against us are crushed, Islam is the enemy.

No need for genocide either. Just a clear objective: victory over the forces of Islam that seek to destroy. In most cases, this means nations like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and groups like Hezbollah etc. must be confronted.

Call it what you want...maybe a war against Islamofascism might make you more comfortable.

For all practical purposes, for now it must be a war against Islam because that is the defining core of the issue, the enemy, and the conflict. No way around it.

#223/#251 - um isn't that his own commentary tacked on to the end of UN clips? Effective editorial tho...

Let's not lose sight of what this budget debate really means...
CNN - MRAP vehicle

CNN's Jamie McIntyre explains why new life-saving vehicles aren't making it to the front lines in Iraq

#252 Radar

Good for you.

#191 Radar

Oh, and did the traitors ever give a reason for the seemingly arbitrary date of October 1st for withdrawal?

Congress might have well have made the surrender date 9/11.

/

This is all just so messed up. I'm afraid we've taken a turn into the surreal realm where our elected officials use a fledgling war effort as a political punching bag (with our troops caught in the middle). It's depressing.

/Problem is, I can't get my mind off it.

245 bryan999

Does anyone know if Congress set a withdrawal date for Vietnam?

The closeset I can think of a timetable in Vietnam was the process of Vietnamization in March, 1969. It was meant to ensure "Peace with Honor".
There was to be a gradual transfer of combat operations in Vietnam entirely to the ARVN. This turned out to be ineffective as many more deserted than were killed.

Meanwhile I am trying to write a post about how ridiculous it is that this bill even got to veto, but I have such a burning anger right now I can't put two sentences together straight.

#256

haha, sounds about right.

I'm confused...I thought the Neo-KosKidz were FOR pulling funding from the troops...

[Link: www.zombietime.com...]

They need to pick a message and stick with it.

#240 SnakeSpit
I expressed almost the same thought on another thread and got jumped on by roger as a "whinger".
Participation is the way to make this Republic work...

OT: Fudgepacking at BP

Ever think you're taking it up the rear when you fill your tank? We'll you are:

Lord Browne, chief executive of BP, has resigned with immediate effect hours after it emerged that he had lied to the High Court about a four-year gay relationship. BP, which said it accepted Lord Browne’s resignation with the “deepest regret”, said the chief executive would lose his entitlement to a leaving package worth £3.5 million and a potential £12 million in shares.

Lord Browne joined BP in 1966

A judge found he had lied about the circumstances in which he had met his former partner, Jeff Chevalier, a Canadian.

Fill Her Up

One small step forward for Bush, one great leap backwards for the Dhimmicrats.

#259 St. Pancake:

Google Case-Church Amendment...

#263 Please don't underestimate the brillance of the democrat strategy!

Alright, that's enough fun for one night... goodnight kids and lets hope my brothers still in Iraq get the funding they need before their paychecks start bouncing, cause at the end of the day isn't that what its all about?

My anger towards the left has reached a point that I should wish everyone a good night and leave it at that. Nite all!

231 Lazarus

Some of what you say I do agree with. Other stuff, I just don't because some of that is based on assumptions when really all we can do is speculate. I just refuse to crucify Bush like the guys in your link up in the first post seem to do..based on speculation. The guy barely gets into office and bam, 9/11 hits...and all of a sudden, people want to nail him as the person who has made this all erupt or made worse. One just has to take a look at some other countries where these thugs are doing the same thing as in Iraq and see that it isn't Bush's fault.

and he has failed miserably to do that.

It could be fixed very quickly,

See, I don't count him as a failure, yet. Have there been mistakes? Sure, has it been bloody, yup..sounds like war to me. What war hasn't? I have no crystal ball to say that things would have been better if he did XY and Z. And I for sure don't think it can be done quickly. Perhaps we'd have a different outcome quicker..but nothing I believe can be done quickly about this whole jihadist world we have had brewing for decades. I think one of the huge mistakes is people think we could go in and get out and since we aren't out fast enough, then we must have screwed up.

Their main weapon is guilting us into appeasing them, and the West's rampant self-hatred makes us perfect accomplices.

What was the alternative to Bush? Kerry? Gore? That is what we were faced with. Those two idgits really would have sunk us...if you want to talk appeasement. I will never know what went on behind closed doors, on why it seemed that sadr was allowed to live when clearly there should have been a target painted on his heart and why the individual armies were not torn apart. From what I have read, it seems that whatever prompted that to be allowed to happen, has been realized as a mistake and now is in the process of being corrected. I may have heard wrong but I'm not really privvy to that info.

#269

We might disagree about what to call this war, but we both know the war in Iraq needs to be fought! Amen brother.

Night all.

231 lazarus cont.

The handbook is resolute action determined by moral principles

Of course that is a chapter in the handbook, but it isn't ALL it is. Enemies tactics change...unless we think our generals and president are lying after saying this multiple times. I tend to believe them, that they have had to readjust things as their enemy has changed. Of course I can't name what tactics that the enemy is changing because that is just not my background.

In the past, they hated us, but they kept their bloodbath to themselves, because they knew we weren't afraid.

I think you know that isn't completely true. They've been bombing and targeting our embassies and our allies. It really was a matter of time before they performed a 9/11..that was in the making for awhile, not an afterthought...was way before Bush ever got involved. Don't forget that, others seem to. They've been creeping into other countries as well gaining more power.

where before they were merely gangs of outlaws.

wha? I don't agree here..and I think others who were slaughtered by the hand of these thugs and lived in fear of them and would end up finally succumbing and not fighting back would tend to disagree. It isn't hard to get numbers up when you recruit 10 yr old boys and women having 9 children to the westerners 2, nor is it hard to get numbers when you grab them that young and through their teens and low 20's to become more susceptible to the cult like mindset.

I just don't buy into..Bush made the MidEast worse off, that is like blaming Israel for standing up for itself and telling iran to shove off. The thugs history has always been a bloodbath and to paint it worse after Bush took office and it was directly related, I think is making this too simplistic and not looking at the root cause that we are the ultimate target, they just lay in waiting for the chances that we drop our guard. As these thugs get more funding and more advanced weapons, stay tuned for more..with or without Bush even having been born.

#264 Atman. yea, that is what it is.

Kos and Co (ha, I like that sound) are so pathetic. Leave it to them to try to dupe their readers (and they do) with that silly headline.

I'm glad President Bush vetoed the bill--now maybe we can get on to real business of supporting the troops properly.

# 254 K T

Or is it the wrong vehicle for the job ?

#276 Mike C.
Interesting.

#222 bcismar

I don't think it's so much that President Bush wants to be liked; I think it's that he insists on acting with honor. President Bush does what he thinks is right, compared with our previous president who seemed to what was popular.

ok... parting shot.. I don't even know how to comment on this other than to say wow... are these democrats off their freaking heads? [Link: www.militarytimes.com...]

Vetoing the bill was what had to be done. And I agree with Thanos in 260 that the anger I feel at it getting to this point is sometimes enough to make me want to throw up my hands and say WTF.

I for one have not always been happy with the way Pres Bush has handled things and I probably would have done them different, he is my President. I cringe at thought of what my life and those of my fellow soldiers and the nation would have been like under Gore the last 6 years. Or the what it would have been like under Kerry. For all of Pres Bush's faluts, they pale in comparison to what I beleive the nation would be like now under those two.

One of the things I give credit to Pres Bush for is the fact that he made decisions and stuck to them when it would've been eaier to just give in.

There was a question asked I think in #183 to the affect of why do we keep fighting for people that spit on us and throw away all our victories and sacrificies. The answer to that is we are Americans and America is the best damn place on this earth to be living in. If you done beleive that, I can show some pictures of places that would change your mind.

America for all it problems, and some of the dumbasses living it is still worth all and any sacrifices I've been asked to make and have made. To fight is to Win! To not fight is to surrender. I'm not ready for surrender! Are You!

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Sooo...Reid and Pelosi lost...does this mean they'll be announcing a timetable for THEIR withdrawal?

#229 Carolina Girl

Maybe "Dumbo" the Prince of Wails, should go back to talking to his roses and leave work to the people who have, oh, I dunno, A JOB?

I would prefer to see the monarchy end with the Queen..and see Buckingham Palace turned into council housing, so help me..he really is one giant a*hole...

But at least he has some consolation.

#236 song_and_dance_man

Charles saying that is the most ridiculas thing I've heard since Wet Willie said "I never told anybody to lie, not a single time – never."

Wait till they both find something else to qualify for Idiotarian of the Century, and it is only 2007.

#278 goddessoftheclassroom

Amen. At least he's not trying to lead by Polls.

Consenus is the absence of leadership!

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#280 ISG(ret)

God bless you. and thank you for your service. I know I can speak for all Lizaqrds when I say we stand behind you and all those who serve.