Ha.

Vive Sarko!

Fox news reporting a Belgium nes is saying Sarkozy is projected to win
/because Fwance can't say it yet

Did I just hear on Fox that Sarkozy won?

Sarky's no picnic, but at least he won't likely make anti-American deals with Russia behind everyone's back.

Segolene Royal? Just another leftist harby who sees power slipping from her grasp. Recount demand in 1... 2... 3...

Yeah, like they wouldn't keep rioting no matter who was elected. They've been rioting continuously for two years. That's what they do, because they like violence and destruction.

Oui.

But being a Zombie and photographing whatever happens after the election is ILLEGAL in free France.

'cuse me - I meant Harpy.

Of course that could be Harby, a sort of cross between a Harpy and a a Furrby...

Yes!

How soon until something like this occurs in our own country? How soon until the Deomocrats start threatening violence if Republicans win? How soon until we wake up to the Islamists?

If Sarko wins, I think this is an example that shows that the French people are tired of immigration policies that do not help the Republic.

I read an article that showed the "informed" young people are scared of Sarko...

Scared of what? I wonder...

8,000 riot police is not enough.

From Drudge:

Women shun misogyny-tolerating Socialist Royal

Mama Winger,

If you get on this thread:

I too am a resident near the Illinois/Wisconsin border.

Rockford.

Drop me a line. e-mail at my [Link: www...]

You can find it by putting

M. Simon

in Google. I'm at the top.

Simon

This could be interesting.

However, I must start work on book shelving.

Take care.

www.lefigaro.fr : Plus de trente voitures brûlées à Paris...
More than 30 cars burned in Paris...

How irresponsible of Royal to predict an expanded intifada. Burning Citroens will certainly release greenhouse emissions.

Sarkozy, 52, a Hungarian immigrant’s son

Well that explains a lot.

#11 psaturn:

I read an article that showed the "informed" young people are scared of Sarko...

Scared of what? I wonder...

Scared of having their "enlightenment" exposed as a lie.

The dems breathlessly await to see how effective this twisted tactic is so they can add it to their playbook in '08.

# 10 My 2 Cents

How soon until something like this occurs in our own country? How soon until the Deomocrats start threatening violence if Republicans win?

And this would be a surprise?

I've already reached the conclusion that the Donks are in practical effect a criminal. I'm just waiting for everyone else to accept that fact and act on it.

Even if the increase in torched cars is only slight, it will suddenly grab headlines, and be foisted (foist?) into Sarkozy's lap. Remember, the riots have been continuous, but not covered for months.

Oh, now they say four sources have projected Sarkozy to win.

Now that Royal has been royally f**ked by the French electorate, let the games begin. It's about time that the Frogs started hoppin'.

How irresponsible of Royal to predict an expanded intifada.

Its nice to see that leftist are the same all over.

#14 M Simon

Rockford? Ha! I know Rockford. The Evangelical Free Church retirement home is there. ( don't ask me if I qualify) LOL!

My nephew lives in Harvard, right on the way.

The sooner the world and the French face the reality of Islam's danger the better. The "Yoots" are today's SS.

PIMF!

I've already reached the conclusion that the Donks are in practical effect a criminal gang. I'm just waiting for everyone else to accept that fact and act on it.

ploome hineni
I am having trouble understanding what specific values are endangered due to the gun fire. :)

Some exit polling:

[Link: www.romandie.com...]
Says:

17:45 Estimations Présidentielle : Nicolas Sarkozy serait en tête (53-54.5 ...

17:28 Présidentielle française: participation record de 75,11% à 17h00

[Link: www.letemps.ch...]

Présidentielle française 2007: Nicolas Sarkozy est en tête
Actualisation à 17h40
(Sources: LeTemps.ch)
Nicolas Sarkozy l'emporterait avec environ 54 % des voix

Selon nos toutes premières informations obtenues dès 16h15 et basées sur différents sondages effectués à la sortie des urnes, le candidat de droite, Nicolas Sarkozy, serait en tête. Il serait crédité d'environ 54% des voix.

#18 ploome

One dead as gunmen open fire at sports day at UN school in Gaza

So did the gunmen win their event's ribbon?

The Guardian weighs in with some commentary
Some snippets

This is law and order, Sarkozy-style. It was as 'le tough cop' that Nicolas Sarkozy styled himself during two terms as Interior Minister, producing a police force almost entirely in his own image, that is to say small-minded, awkward, at times extremely nasty, and - as far as keeping the peace is concerned - surprisingly ineffective.

And this jusst to make you go hmmm

There have been sops to immigrants, of course. Sarkozy is too smart to ignore a sizeable electoral power base. In 2002, he set up France's first Muslim council, he opposed the ban on headscarves in schools and he favours positive discrimination. All small comfort for those who know that a Sarko presidency will be characterised by aggression towards those who do not fit his vision of an ordered, small-minded state. And there will also be no running on the grass in Luxembourg Gardens.

· Nabila Ramdani is a history lecturer at Paris University.

I'm going out to do a Sunday Drive.

I'll see if France is still there when I return.

Bye!

I hope they have plenty of fuses handy for their substations...

I guess this is fairly obvious but if it looks like a republican will take the White House next year I can see Obama or Hillary using the same arguement if they think they can get away with it.

Q: What is the penalty in France for the son of a Hungarian immigrant, whose grandfather converted from Judiasm to Catholicism, refers to RoP youths as scum and wins the Presidency ?

A: He has to be President of France.

The always unbiased BBC weighs in.

In Argenteuil, the town north-west of Paris where Mr Sarkozy notoriously talked of hosing out "rabble" before the 2005 urban riots, Doratine Ekoka, a 70-year-old retired computer programmer, said she trusted Ms Royal to "clean up public life".

A Sarkozy victory, she added, "would be like a punishment from God" because of his "terrible character".

More than 3,000 police have been deployed in Paris and its multi-ethnic suburbs to prevent a repeat of the 2005 riots if, as many expect, Nicolas Sarkozy celebrates a victory on Sunday night.

No pasaran has running updates including exit polling.

Sarkozy looks like he's going to win, but it figures that Royal would try and claim that if Sarkozy won, there'd be violence. She's trying for a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Never mind that her brand of politics is part of the reason why France is in the mess that it is.

13 victor_yugo

For once in my life I'd like to be Fwench just to vote against that asshole!

O/T, somewhat

ETTER TO THE EDITOR

Recently I realized that I no longer have the same pride of being an American that I once had. It occurred as I was hoisting my flag one morning, just as I have done every morning for many years.

I am a member of that group referred to by Tom Brokaw as the "Greatest Generation." He credits us with "coming of age during the Great Depression and the second World War and going on to build modern America -- men and women whose everyday lives of duty, honor, achievement and courage gave us the world we have today."

Proud as I am of being in that group, I believe that Brokaw missed by one generation. Our parents managed somehow to prepare us for all those accomplishments, and they did it with little education, hard times and more adversity than we can imagine today. But they had a tenacity to rear a generation that they knew would be able to succeed. In my opinion, they are the greatest generation, not us.

My generation mobilized when it found itself at war. Men and some women went into the armed services fully aware that they were putting their lives on the line. Those men who could not enter the military because of age or physical limitations went to work in the war plants, along with women who filled the vacancies caused by the absence of men who had gone into the service. They worked all the overtime necessary to produce war materials needed for our forces as well as our allies. Older men volunteered as air raid wardens. They shared those things which were in short supply, such as gasoline, shoes, coffee and sugar by means of rationing. They bought war bonds with their overtime pay. Teenagers collected scrap metal to recycle, and with the proceeds bought defense stamps for 25 cents each until they accumulated $18.75 worth, which they then exchanged for a bond. My father worked a shift in two different war plants every day. I remember visiting my mother when I was home on furlough. She was operating a turret lathe in a factory. She proudly hung a banner with three blue stars on it in her front window. Many windows had a banner with a gold star on it signifying a family member killed in the war.

Casualty rates were high compared with figures from the current conflict. More than twice as many men were killed in five weeks on Iwo Jima than all the deaths in the Iraq/Afghanistan war for the whole four years our troops have been there. Everyone supported the war and the president. Trash talk such as we hear today would have been considered treasonous.

continued

Yee Haw, "Sarkozy the American" is ahead! He'll know how to deal with rioting "youths"!

We've got almost two years until the next presidential election in the U.S. There's time for a swing back to the right in our country, too. I'm going to remain optimistic, if for no other reason than the Demos have that much time to screw everything up for themselves.

Shouldn't our homegrown Democrats describe Royal's words as fear-mongering?

If “youths” are really and truly stupid enough to confront 40,000 Sarkozy supporters, then I say go for it. I suspect they would learn a long overdue lesson about the price of lawlessness. My sympathy meter is pegged on zero.

From today's London Times:

Aurelie Legrand, a 21-year-old student from the French island of La Reunion, said she voted for Ms Royal to try to block a Sarkozy victory. “People say that if he wins there will be more violence so naturally it makes you think,” she said.

Apparently not in your case, Aurelie.

Here's a good view of the French Election:

Will France choose Sarko or the road to ruin?

75% of voters casting ballots. Would be nice if we could approach that in this country.

OTOH, maybe it's a good thing much of the great unwashed stays home...

I'm going to go out on a limb and make a novel prediction: Sarko will win, and there will be little unrest. My reasoning is that the youts respect power and authority, and once it's apparent that daddy's home, they'll start behaving.

In the minds of the youts, this election was mommy v.s. daddy, and now that it appears daddy's rules will go, they'll behave.

18 ploome hineni

The gunmen said the event "taught children immoral values."

Right. And teaching them to open up on a crowd of civilians teaches them WHAT?

Royal makes unsettling mistake after mistake displaying underwhelming knowledge and insight on every topic. Sarkozy is a practiced politician with answers for every MSM question. You'd never know Royal's propensity for gaffes if all you read the NYT or Guardian.

Choosing to side the new jihadi military wing of her Socialist Party may not endear her to ordinary French voters, lacking the nuance of their EU-Islamist overlords.

Excellent point, E2m.

The media and leftists will try and push the unrest, and hopefully will suffer the backlash.

My hats off to the adults in France who were not intimated by the ugly tactics of Royal.

Does Fwance have anything like Britain's soccer hooligans? If so, this could get interesting.

continuation:
Americans today oppose the war not because they lack disfavor with their enemy's ideology, but simply because they find the war inconvenient. We have grown so affluent and satisfied that we now find the war to be a big bother. As a nation, we have nowhere near the resolve necessary to conduct a winning effort. Perhaps that is the fault of my generation. We won our war and came home determined that our children would never have to endure the adversities that we had. We did everything we could to make their lives easy and comfortable. As a result we raised a generation of sissies, ill equipped to handle a war. They in their turn compounded the error by raising a generation even more lily livered than themselves. Unfortunately, they are the generation now running the country.

When the Romans became so fat and sassy that they no longer cared to support their armies, they lost their empire. Following Napoleon's defeat the French became a nation of pansies, from which they have never recovered. Three times in less than a century they have had to fight the Germans. Two of those times they had to be rescued by the Americans.

We seem to have learned nothing from history. But fortunately we have a small cadre of people who have the Spartan resolve needed to carry on. They are the members of our armed forces. They are superior to the average American character physically, intellectually and morally. They recognize that the reason they are fighting is to retard the spread of radical Islam. I believe that President Bush knew that at the time he took us into the war, but that he used the pretext of eliminating weapons of mass destruction instead because he was afraid of offending the sensitivity of the pusillanimous American public. It is no secret that the objective of Islam is to take over the world. They have been completely open about that aim for more than a millennium. Even though the Islamic nations cannot get along with each other politically, as Muslims they are united in their zeal to take over the world by the sword, just as they have since their birth as a religion. Unlike us they do have the drive, the desire and the will to succeed. I am glad that I am so old that I will not live to see that happen.

So I will continue to hoist my flag every morning, but sadly with reduced pride. I will still stand for the singing of the national anthem even though it seems appropriate to change the words of the last line to say "o'er the land of the free and the home of the chicken."

TED KILLINGER Midland, MI

#49 E2m

In the minds of the youts, this election was mommy v.s. daddy, and now that it appears daddy's rules will go, they'll behave.

You've obviously never seen MY mommy rules, have you? :)

I know what you mean tho.

Koskidz are like sooo bummed out...
French election results (preliminary)
Komment:

Please say it ain't so.
How can anyone possibly want to make France more like the States? They will be so sorry.

Isn't it an interesting contrast between left and right the fact that nobody is threatening violence if Segolene Royal is elected?

#56 Killgore

How can anyone possibly want to make France more like the States? They will be so sorry.

Tell me you are making that up.

Interesting that Royal has taken a page out of the Republican playbook. Vote for my opponent and you won't be safe. Sounds familiar. Politicians all suck. Whores one and all who will say anything to get power. At least the Republicans fear monger from the side of strength as opposed to the dhimmi left who fear monger from weakness. A pox on all their houses….

Missing link: French election results (preliminary)

One alternative to violence that Muslims in France might want to consider is "going back to the lands of their cultural roots". Let the battle for Western Civilization begin in France. Let France regain self respect through sacrifice. Let me once again think of France as something more than a diseased rats nest.

Scum and Rabble is, as Scum and Rabble does...

#58 mama winger
Nope there should be a flood of diaries and komments like that appearing soon.

Water on the brain is here.

Let's see how this turns out! This might be a side of the French that we haven't seen in what? about a hundred years -- the French have been losing wars since Trafalgar and Waterloo, but they've only been giving up without a fight since the Second World War. All the competent officers were killed or forced to flee in the Revolution, but the common people still had their individual pride and ferocity (this, without direction, is called a mob, but the frogs seem OK with it...).

I suspect that the polarization seen in the last two elections indicates a significant part of the French population getting fed up with the multiculti, socialist, pan-European idea, and becoming interested in personal and national survival.

I think they youths will see this as a good opportunity to riot no matter who wins.

Chuck Schumer tells Iraqi Foreign Minister "step up to the plate yourselves"! This after Iraqi FM agrees with Zawahiri that Democrats' surrender bill is bad for good guys, good for bad guys. When do we see headlines screaming about how the U.S. Democrats are the most-loathed and scorned political party in the WORLD?

Oh yeah, never.

#8 mustrum:

Of course that could be Harby, a sort of cross between a Harpy and a a Furrby...

An incredibly annoying, mechanical device for rendering one's food unpalatable. Covered in bronze feathers. I think I had one of those in my undergraduate dorm at Unseen U.

#49 E2M

novel prediction: Sarko will win, and there will be little unrest.

Agreed. But even little violence will be reported like the fricking apocalypse.

Maddog,

Great post. Do you have a link?

#53 MandyManners

Does Fwance have anything like Britain's soccer hooligans?

Voters, apparently!

Headline you will never see
Islamofascism dealt another blow
With the results of yet another election which seems to favor the candidate who takes a hardline on radical Islamic fundamentalist the west is trying to send a clear message, everywhere but Spain that is, that we are ready to stand up and maybe, just maybe, we do have the will to fight for our country, our peoples, and our way of life.
/daydream over

#53 Mandy Manners

Does Fwance have anything like Britain's soccer hooligans? If so, this could get interesting.

    If not, I bet we could import a bunch of the Brit soccer hooligans through the Chunnel ...

    "Hey, mate, let's carpool over to the Continent and kick some arse!"

}:)     [ ... willing to kick in on gas ... ]

#69

A burning and smoking car and some woman pulling at her hair and screaming, coming up...

Wolf Blitzer actually uses fingers to put scare quotes on "Benchmarks" in question to Lugar.

#36 ninewhile

Elizabeth Edwards was already quoted in an interview as saying that if a Republican wins, she thinks there will be rioting. I can't remember where I saw the transcript of the interview but probably wouldn't be too hard to find it.

It is unconscionable that neither Royal nor Edwards added any tone of disapproval on the idea of rioting . . .

I've been friends with some French women, but this Segolene Royal is the first one I've heard of who has no class at all.

Why is it that some people always threaten violence if they don't win? Intellectual bankruptcy?

#70 GregInSeattle

No, no link. My uncle (vet of 2 wars) sent that to me in an email. He and I agree with the old boy. Thats why I posted it. You can probably find it with a web search.

Rotten leftists--if you don't vote for them, then something must be wrong...look at similar examples in Mexico, where the leftist candidate accused the conservative of cheating.

The left is just nuts!

#76 American Jewess In Jerusalem 5/06/2007 9:21:19 am PDT

#36 ninewhile

Elizabeth Edwards was already quoted in an interview as saying that if a Republican wins, she thinks there will be rioting. I can't remember where I saw the transcript of the interview but probably wouldn't be too hard to find it.

It is unconscionable that neither Royal nor Edwards added any tone of disapproval on the idea of rioting . . .

What Mrs. Edwards said, when questioned by a campaign supporter on C-SPAN:

SUPPORTER: Kerry's going to take PA.

EDWARDS: I know that.

SUPPORTER: I'm just worried there's going to be riots afterwards.

EDWARDS: Uh -- well -- not if we win. We're gonna go have a good time. Thank you very much.

This comment was posted under the timesonline article by a French citizen living in Philadelphia:

I'm French and I've been living in the US for 15 years. I got the US citizenship 3 years ago and I voted yesterday.

Mrs. Royal would be a disaster for France. No plan, no message, no experience. She wants to help even more 60 million people who are already completely assisted. France, my country, has become the perfect place for lazy people. Don't do anything, we will help you survive.

50% of the country hates Sarkozy because he tells the truth and my fellow French citizens can't stand being told the truth. They don't want to hear that they are going to have to work hard, make sacrifices, obey the law and help the country regain self-esteem.

Watch how they are going to protest if Sarko is elected, watch how scum bags from the suburbs are going to destro everything, watch how union leaders are going to walk the streets and go on strike.

My country is going down every second and Sarkozy, even if he is not perfect is our only hope to make France a country that used to be respected.

I think he's dead-on.

My updated coverage of the election is here. The French have to choose whether they want to retain the status quo of failed economic and social policies, or change to reflect changes in the French demographics.

I fear that the French wont make the changes because the unions and students will refuse to accept them. If there are going to be riots, expect them to come from the unions and student groups, the entrenched economic parties that are comfortably numb to the problems around them.

#56 Killgore

How can anyone possibly want to make France more like the States? They will be so sorry.

And yet, if anyone criticizes statements like this, up goes the screeching howl of "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION OUR PATRIOTISM!"

I pray Sarkozy wins.

France needs the opportunity to redeem herself.

HAVING tried everything else in her quest to stop the seemingly inexorable march of Nicolas Sarkozy, the conservative candidate, Ségolène Royal played what she hoped was her trump card in the last hours of the battle for the French presidency: her femininity.

In a desperate attempt to woo undecided voters, Royal was reduced to emphasising the novelty of having a woman in the Elysée Palace who was more than just a first lady.

“I know there are those who thought – and who still think – is it really reasonable to choose a woman?” she said in her final campaign rally in the northern city of Lille on Thursday night.  “Is France going to dare? I want to say: dare. Dare! You won’t regret it.”

    What can I say that Maurice hasn't said better?

}:)

The left wins:

There are consequences to this election. What I say now goes. After all, the people have unanimously spoken!

The left loses:

You obviously cheated. I will now throw a huge tantrum, start riots, and file a lawsuit.

And we should be more "progressive", why?

#56 & 60 Killgore and his evil twin
You just made me give that scum site traffic.
A pox on both your houses! :)

The US have BDS (Bush Derangment Syndrome), the French will have SDS (Sarkozy derangement Syndrome).

French moonbats on the warpath

Yutes just want to have fun.

Valkyrie of course its the poor and the oppressed
(Muslims) peoples of France who will protest. Never thinking that a conservative form of government is good for them to get them back to work. Quebec has the same attitude they now want a 4 day work week when the Canadian economy is doing fairly well under Conservative government.

Royal even got involved in Quebec politics that were held a short while back [Link: www.cbc.ca...]

The best line from that is as follows:"It is not up to France to dictate to either the Québécois or the Canadians what they must do," Royal said. "But, on the other hand, the principles of sovereignty and freedom seem to me absolutely incontestable."

here is another exerpt as well siding with Hizbollah. During a trip to the Middle East in December, Royal had to backtrack after appearing to side with a member of the Lebanon-based militant group Hezbollah, who chided the "insanity" of American foreign policy.

I hope that she doesnt win and that France votes with sanity rather than with Dhimmitude.

Great catch, ploome. That's exactly right.

I wonder what a Sarkozy win would do for other races around Europe.

#65 amphibian

At the risk of going counter to the prevailing sentiment here at LGF I must respectfully take issue with your take on French military history.

France's humiliating retreat from Indochina came after close to ten years of brutal fighting. At Dien Bien Phu there was a surrender after a fight that was by all descriptions as doomed as it was heroic.

France abandoned Algeria after six years of violence that came within a cat's whisker of causing a civil war within France itself.

French soldiers fighting along side Americans gave an excellent account for themselves in the Colmar Pocket campaign that carried Allied forces to the gates of Germany. Advancing with no cover they assaulted well-prepared and motivated German forces and took casualties similar to American numbers.

The French did give up quickly in the face of the German blitzkrieg in 1940. Due to Stalin's cooperation with Hitler they had no ally to draw off German forces. German losses were heavy due to fierce fighting. The French Plan 7 correctly anticipated The Nazi Plan Yellow until Yellow was changed by Hitler several weeks before the actual invasion. The British quit the field of battle and hightailed it sans equipment to Dunkirk. The French decided to go it alone. The Resistance gave the occupiers fits. Many downed American fliers owe the lives to them.

France won the Great War and then proceeded to lose the peace. Our President Wilson deserves much of the blame for Versailles.

When you say that France lost her best officers in the Revolution I just shake my head. Napoleon, Murat and too many others to list argue against you. There is a reason that all those photographs of American generals, Yankee and Confederate show them adopting the Little Corporal's most famous pose: they saw him and the French as epitomizing force at arms.

Current French policy is to dominate Europe. They'll do whatever it takes to accomplish that goal. Thats the source of the current nastiness. My daughter's BF is currently studying in Clermont-Ferrand; he says that the French like Americans.

Perhaps he sees what he wants to.

Toujours Pret

#41, #54 maddog

A good post, maddog, and deserved, if belated thanks for your service years ago.

Not everyone in the generation after the generation after the "greatest generation" is a pansy. There is a lot of this in the academic world, more in the humanities (old hippies and commies teaching?) and the Ph.D. programs (PC pretty much required to survive in the environment), but I think there is hope. It was possible to try the whole PC/Communist/Socialist thing in this country in the first place because of the wealth gathered by exploiting the resources of a continent in the 19th c., and because of the industrial strength built up in the first half of the 20th c. Given the assumption of floating in a sea of dollars, the hippie generation was able to play with dropping out of society and flirt with inefficient methods of government. But reality has a way of asserting itself. If the descendents of the original victims of Dr. Spock feel their lifestyles threatened, they may yet become such savages that the more level-headed among us will have to restrain them.

For my part, I am a first-generation immigrant (USSR), and have never had flower children in my family. I wave the flag with the enthusiasm of the newly-arrived, even though I spent almost all my life here.

Great post, maddog!

We won our war and came home determined that our children would never have to endure the adversities that we had. We did everything we could to make their lives easy and comfortable. As a result we raised a generation of sissies, ill equipped to handle a war. They in their turn compounded the error by raising a generation even more lily livered than themselves. Unfortunately, they are the generation now running the country.

This, as I see it, is the whole problem with the U.S. today. We - and I include myself! - have lived lives so insulated from adversity and unpleasantness that many would STARVE TO DEATH if their only way to eat was to kill their own dinner. We are scarred for life by being called names in public. We can't, under any circumstances, approve of violence, even against criminals who would spill many times more blood if not stopped by the shedding of their own blood. We can't imagine that any person in all the world would truly and freely choose violence over peace. We think that we can talk our way out of anything, and that anyone can be reasoned with. All because, for most of us, THAT IS THE EXPERIENCE OF OUR DAILY LIVES.

Personally, I consider myself lucky beyond belief to have lived such a life. But I keep my eyes and my mind open, and recognize that I, in terms of the peoples of the world, am an exception, not the rule. Therefore, it would be completely irrational for me to expect the majority of the world's people to think, act and react as I do. Yet that is exactly what many MANY Americans do. And many of those Americans wield true power, both through office and through their votes. That thought scares the willies out of me (yet another example of my easy life, that I'm so easily scared!)

#38: "a punishment from God" -- how can someone get to be 70 years old and be so damn dumb? -- after all God works in mysterious ways -- and the French have asked for whatever they get with all their cradle to grave socialism and rampant importation of North African MUSLIMS -- all the the PC crap and multi-culti feelie goodie crap is all anti-natural order -- things will straighten themselves out -- with God's invisible hand helping heh heh heh

A few examples of God's punishment from the past:

American Civil War - get them grapes of wrath trampled

Japan and Germany's fate in the 1940's

If the French need a strong female leader to feel good about themselves they need only to relearn their history and rediscover Eleanor of Aquitaine.

#95 amphibian

That post was not my letter. It was written by Ted Killinger, who is a WWII vet. I'm old, but not that old:)

The French Revolution: Part Deux.

Leftist desperation is quite humorous to watch. Like watching Jon Stewart and his jackass sidekick colbert, any night on American tv.

#48 -- not sure if you are right about the 'great unwashed' staying home - in most left leaning cities there are massive get out the vote efforts complete with rides to the polls and other incentives - what they can't pick up completely that way there is always the usual leftest voter FRAUD -- and now of course there is the mail in ballot scam that is materializing where ever the fraud machines have been unearthed

#97 RedinCAf

You should be scared, cause its gonna get ahellova lot worse before it gets better, I'm afraid. Our leftists seem to have a lot in common with the French leftists, and would lead us down the same path.

80 Richard R.

More than nuts; despicable and scary.

When leftists have opinions, they are pure.
When anyone non-leftist has an opinion; it's automatically labeled: "attack machine".

When leftists win elections, no cheating could have possibly occured, even if evidence exists.

When non-leftists win elections, there must have been cheating, even when there is NO evidence.

#41, #54 maddog

Great Post!

I never served in the military, but I felt the "spirit" of those men who served in WWII as I toured the USS Alabama in Mobile Bay.

I have also had the opportunity to visit Vandenberg AFB several times as a civilian engineer involved in rocket launches. I have a inspired patriotic feeling everytime I drive down the main street where the flags of the 50 states are posted and as I see the men and women in uniform at this base.

I am sure that I would have a similar feeling at any other military base.

God bless the men and women serving in the armed forces!

Time for your predictions -

How many cars will burn in France tonight?

Closest wins.

My number: 4,780.

Lowballing, but I figure it will take a few nights of rioting for the "yutes" to get back into high production form.

#94 danger close:

When you say that France lost her best officers in the Revolution I just shake my head. Napoleon, Murat and too many others to list argue against you.

Perhaps I was guilty of making a statement that was too broad. I would point out however, that the examples of courage you mentioned were just that -- examples of individual courage. My (limited) knowledge of 19th c. history from Napoleon onward does not include many examples of strong strategic thinking coming out of France, but I will gladly do a bit of reading if you point me in the right direction.

I get the impression that Napoleon was in large part a one-man show. He had competent officers under him but I think that his bench might have lacked depth. I have always ascribed this to the loss of the educated classes in the Revolution. It's been a few generations since then, and from examples that I've seen, France has a good public education system in place for the benefit of its best minds and the country, so in any case the influence should not have made it as far as the present.

There has been talk on this thread about France redeeming itself after this election. I will be as happy as the rest of the lgf readers to see things turn out so.

#107 arikui

I have a inspired patriotic feeling everytime I drive down the main street where the flags of the 50 states are posted and as I see the men and women in uniform at this base.

I am sure that I would have a similar feeling at any other military base.

They are pretty similar, I grew up on military bases. Patriotism is not a rare commodity there.

a comment from the kos thread:

The world seems to go collectively piggy, kind of like the domino theory. Is fascism catching? Do people feel that greed and fear their basest instincts are okay if they are cloaked in the anonymity of a vote?

Apparently the definition of "fascist" has been expanded to include anyone who doesn't vote for socialism. And greed and fear, apparently to ANY degree, are always bad. Huh. Learn something new every day.

Royal's threats are simply instructions to her radical “youth” constituents. Typical left-wing scorched earth policy. Somewhat like when the Clintonistas vacated the white house, only with more violence and vandalism.

Tactless trash.

#91 Ploome Hineni

"...HERE is the picture of the FRENCH ELECTORATE AND PUBLIC the BBC choose as examples of the French People"

What, Nuns?.

Twenty nine minutes to the official exit polls...

The "youths" will not be happy, I hope...

#109 amhibian

I will be as happy as the rest of the lgf readers to see things turn out so.

Me too. They have a tough row to hoe.

Regarding Napoleon: To a large extent a general is only as good as his lieutenants. Some of Bonaparte's were brilliant; others failed at critical junctures. He himself said: An army of lions led by a rabbit will always lose to an army of rabbits led by a lion".

For sources, I can only point you to the library.

I still respectfully disagree with you regarding France's battlefield heroics being that of the individual. In WW1 Joffre saved France. It cost 2 million lives in 3 month's time but he did it.

In my previous post I stated that France decided to go it alone, I meant not to go it alone. They stopped fighting and set up the despicable Vichy regime, preserving a large portion of the country and all her considerable overseas possesions from occupation.

#114 Poitiers-Lepanto

Twenty nine minutes to the official exit polls...

I'm just getting my cuppa tea now and settling down for the fun. The jury is out on what the French reaction may actually be, but it may turn out to be a "pass the popcorn" moment yet.

Hey, just think how much easier it will make relations with France if Royale (with cheese) wins!

If France refuses a treaty, overflight rights, etc., then just threaten to blow up a few cities!

If anyone complains, just point out that it's "just the way the French do business - we must respect their culture!"

I saw an interesting post on National Review's The Corner. Jonah Goldberg of course, and rightly so, called Royale's comments dispicible. A reader then responded with the usual, "it's no different than the Republicans saying that if the Dems win there will be another attack" etc. This may be too nuanced for many, but there's no siimilarity in these statements. The Republicans' position is that if we go back to a 9/10 type of attitude, i.e. with our guards down, it invites or leaves us vulnerable to attack. The mere fact of a Dem win does not cause another attack. Royale's (dispicible) position is that the mere fact of a Sarkozy win will spur more rioting. Another difference is that the Republicans are referring to our sworn enemies from outside the country and Royale is referring to people (de facto enemies possibly) within her own France.

I saw this on a British paper:
"More than 3,000 police have been deployed in Paris and its multi-ethnic suburbs to prevent a repeat of the 2005 riots if, as many expect, Nicolas Sarkozy celebrates a victory on Sunday night."

Note the sentence "as many expect." Talk about wishful thinking.

Turner Classic Movies played "Paris When it Sizzles" a few nights ago. Was that a harbinger of things to come?

Fear-mongering lying hard-core leftist punks are the same everywhere:

Callers on the extremist-Muslim Méditerranée FM talk show fretted today about loss of interest in the banlieue. One caller said he’d seen a report on an Arab TV station… the boys in the ‘hood said they’d lost interest in voting. However, this evening France Info reports 65% participation in Seine St. Denis, 9 points above the first round.

The Panthères Roses don’t give a hoot for Post no Bills. They slathered walls with last minute warnings against Sarkozy: ‘He’ll take away our freedoms, sell out our public services, snatch away our social security, deprive us of equal rights, chase down immigrants, Ca va pas la tête! Let’s vote against Sarkozy.’

Sounds like our democrats...

via PJM:
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

# 108 karmic_inquisitor

Your bet is invalid. No matter how many BBQ's tonight, none will be shown. It's "interdit" (forbidden) to report from riots.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA! You should watch the BBC world reports about the election. Its like Soviet 'newspeak'. In order to understand what the reporter is saying you gotta "read between the lines."
They mention that the French electorate is "galvanized" that this is the highest turnout in 30 years. The reason? "uncertainty about a secure future for France" lol!

Gee, i wonder what would be threatening the "security" of France?
The Belgiums? The Norway? Oh wait, i know, Commie China!
Bullshit leftist "politically correct speech" at the BBC at its finest.

I had an interesting conversation with my neighbor last week. She was born and raised in France, now married to an Army serviceman. I asked her about Sarkozy and she was so terrified of him winning that she vowed she would rescind her French citizenship. I mentioned that Sarkozy wanted to improve the unemployment situation and loosen economic restrictions to favor business growth.

She said, well yeah, but you know Hitler was elected, too. And even though she was pro-socialist, she railed against some of the problems she had when working there. People refusing to work, but not fired. How hard it was to get a job. She was so glad to get away.

Quite a contradiction there, I must say. Of course, she also thought mohammed was mentioned in the Bible. I'm working on her...

:)

I wonder if Jon Carry will still have such a high regard for France if Sarkozy wins?

HORAAAYYY!

BBC: Its official SARCOZY WINS 53% to 47%!

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Non Dhimmitude!

Iowa 122,

I was born in La Rochelle in the early 60's. It's a lovely town on the West coast and away from Paris. But anti-Americanism was alive there as well. I was too young to understand it, but I understand it only too well now. I had dual citizenship because my father was an American Army officer. When I turned 18 I proudly declared myself an American only.

There was a time in my life when I thought my being born in France was somewhat exotic and set me apart from my friends etc.; now I cringe.

126 Iron Fist 5/06/2007 11:10:10 am PDT

#122 IowaInfidel,

Mohammed is mentioned in the Bible. They call him the anti-Christ.

LOL! I wish I would have thought to tell her that!

125 xgaijin 5/06/2007 11:06:24 am PDT

She grew up in a little town in Brittany. She loves the US, and can't stand Parisians. But she does have a socialist bent, for some reason. Probably that's all she knew.

I traced my father's side of my family to France in the 1500's, so I have roots there, however remote.

Royal blundered through the entire campaign, especially overseas.

Presumably 46% of France now favors rioting?

I probably guessed too low on the carbeque poll. I thought Sarko might win a greater margin.

It's cruel of me, I know, but oh how I hope Royal wins, to deliver the coup de grace to France as a first-world nation.

Iowa,

Writer Marlk Goldblatt asked in a recent column "Will America ever outgrow its most adolescent era?" My response is no. The same can be said of Europe. America is fast becoming a land of the Middle Class Aristocrats - refusing to cut its own lawns, clean its own houses and raise its own children. It leaves behind a legacy of teaching its children that it no longer has to take care of what it owns. Likewise, a similar attitude has spread in europe.

Because Europe and France especially, depend on the State for everything it never has to really become mature and depend on itself. Socialism fosters this notion, I belive.

I watched Sarkozy on C-SPAN debating Ms Royal. He kept talking about hard work and reaping the benefits of hard work. How this can play well to the French is beyond me. It may be a shift of sorts, but again it's only the remark of a politician. It's not holy write, you know.

that's "holy writ" not holy write

#82
I agree with the quotee in your post, but I'm troubled by this:

I'm French and I've been living in the US for 15 years. I got the US citizenship 3 years ago and I voted yesterday.

Huh?

Got US citizenship and voted in a Fwench election?

Doesn't this violate citizenship requirements in both countries?

Re #115 Danger

I'd disagree with your assessment that it was Joffre that saved France in WWI. It was minds like Joffre's that led to suicidal order that any French territory lost had to be regained by counterattack. For saving France on the Marne, I'd give credit to Gallieni. But for saving France, after the bloodbath of Verdun and then the mutinies, I'd give all the credit to Petain. Petain's overall reputation was ruined by his being involved with Vichy, but as deGaulle himself said, "He [Petain] card too much for the French and not enough for France." It was because of his record in WWI that Petain became the head of Vichy. Joffre himslef was "limogee" and was replaced by Foch, a much better general.

#135 g_o_c

No argument from here that Foch was the better general.

Joffre was executing the pre-war French plan of attack that von Schlieffen had masterfully anticipated. IMO it is to his credit that he pulled the entire line back, regrouped and countered at the river Marne.

On the other side of the coin, he resumed those attacks in '15 in the Vosge and elsewhere. Considering the circumstances, I'm not certain what could have successfully dislodged the entrenched Germans from French soil. Had he not tried, someone else would.ve been found who would.

Never-the-less, I believe the point stands: In this particular case, French generalship along with heroic sacrifice from the poilu saved France.

If you're whole world viewpoint and comfort-level is sixth century, you resist modernization.

Same for the lazy and vainglorious Fwench, only add a few centuries.

Re #136

Mangan the Butcher comes to mind as the epitome of "l'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace!" and the French general plan at the outbreak of the war. A picture post card child for le furor francais.
Think of how different the war might have been if Falkenhayn had not used this french "weakness" to try to bleed France dry at Verdun. And how the experience of Verdun had such a profound impact on France (deGaulle, Petain and Maginot for the French) and for the Germans (Rommel, vonPaulus, Manstein among others).
Truly, WWI was the defining moment of the 20th century.

#139 Ploome

yes

the Brits think they are nuns

/aren't you Brits clever

Possibly because they look like nuns?. Don't need brains to see that.

#141 Ploome Hineni

Hehe... I like that one. Cheeky bugger.