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MSA at George Mason Demands Prayer Room, Islamic Education Center

Mon, May 7, 2007 at 2:53:39 pm PDT

At George Mason University, where the Muslim Student Association recently staged a thuggish disruption of a speech by John Lewis (about which the administration did nothing), Muslim students have taken over the school’s “Quiet Meditation Space” and turned it into a mosque, with separate areas for men and women.

Infidels not welcome.

Controversy over the meditation room located on the third floor of the Johnson Center has become a growing concern for students due to space limitations, religious practices, and conflicting needs and uses.

While Muslim students of George Mason University use the space for prayer five times daily, non-Muslim students also use the space for prayer and meditation to a lesser extent.

Non-Muslims use it “to a lesser extent” because they are told to leave if they try to enter with shoes, and females and males are made to stay in separate areas.

But that’s not enough for the MSA. Now they’re demanding a larger area restricted to Muslims only, and an “Islamic Education Center”—that will be run by the Muslim Student Association.

Discussion about the meditation space began when the president of the Muslim Student Association contacted Student Senator Ryan Bloomfield about space limitations. Since Muslim men and women are required to pray separately, there has not been enough room for women.

Also, Friday prayers are typically the largest and most important to the religion, with around one hundred students who attend, according to the president of MSA, Saleh Albarmawi. Prayer includes recitation of the Quran along with movements, which may cause disturbances to non-Muslims who use the space for silence.

“Assign a prayer area for Muslim students. Have that area also serve as an Islam Education Center. Since MSA is a reflection of the general body of the Muslim Students at GMU, the area should be run by MSA,” said Albarmawi.

The Muslim Student Association (MSA) is an organization founded and supported by Saudi Arabia, with the express purpose of propagating Islam—specifically the extreme Dark Ages version known as Wahhabism. The MSA has close ties with the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), which operates from Riyadh, and it has over 150 chapters on American campuses, busily promoting anti-Americanism, antisemitism, and Islamic supremacist ideology.

They are most assuredly not our friends, but they are very adept at manipulating democratic freedoms and multicultural mindrot to get what they want.

Now they want to be in charge of an “Islamic Education Center” at George Mason University. And this scenario is being repeated at colleges across the US.

Campus Watch has a lot more information on this extremist front group: Islamism’s Campus Club: The Muslim Students’ Association.

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1 akak  Mon, May 7, 2007 2:56:15pm

Muslim Student Association (MSA)

has George designated them yet? sheesh

2 Highrise  Mon, May 7, 2007 2:59:29pm
They are most assuredly not our friends, but they are very adept at manipulating democratic freedoms and multicultural mindrot to get what they want.

Can't be trumpeted enough!

One way to turn this around is for Christians to begin to start demanding things wherever muslims get special accommodations. Bet they'd rethink this whole accommodation thing asap!


and females and males are made to stay in separate areas


Ahhh the silence of women's groups is so telling...they are too busy trying to infiltrate men's gyms!

3 jfromfolsomca  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:00:07pm

This is so scary to watch. I see what is happening, but how do you stop these bastards in an open and free society. They use our laws and ways against us to bring down our way of life. I am sick and tired of islam and the people who use it to take over the world.

j

4 shug  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:00:08pm

How long until they want to change the name of the school?

George Mason sounds so...so...kuffir

5 BabbaZee  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:00:32pm

As if the Gramsification of Academia was not enough, we may now behold the Dhimmification of Academia, made possible by a grant from Our Friends the Saudis and the Ubiquitous Tenured Whores of Socialism.

There is a LOT of this going on in colleges in America.

If I had a kid I would NOT send him to college today.

They are fucking indoctrination camps.


Try to have a good night, Lizardia!

6 mama winger  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:00:38pm

So they don't have enough room, and of course the females are the ones to be left out. Naturally.

7 akak  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:02:07pm
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May 7, 2007 03:08 PM EDT
Police say there was another explosion this morning. It happened at a building at Flamingo and Fort Apache.

No one was hurt. At this time, ATF agents are on the scene investigating.

3rd bomb? busy morning...

[Link: www.ktnv.com...]

8 mama winger  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:02:12pm

Is George Mason a public university or private? If private, what is its affiliation?

9 Chicken Kiev  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:02:51pm

Beware the MSA. I have seen them in action and they are anything but friendly and moderate -- though they PRETEND to be, and smile.

10 eon  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:02:59pm

I'm waiting for the ACLU to file suit against a school granting special privileges to Muslim groups, on the grounds that it violates the separation of church and state as per the First Amendment.


/crickets chirping...


cheers

eon

11 bringmeturi  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:04:25pm

This is just going way too far.
What's next?

12 Shug  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:04:49pm

I have a solution to their problem with space for prayers.

PRAY AT HOME or in your place of worship just like everybody else

13 mama winger  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:05:13pm

It's public - part of the Commonwealth of Virginia University system.

14 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:05:24pm
When asked about the area’s original use, Karton replied, “There are no rules as to gender separation or removing shoes regarding the space as far as I know. Really the only ‘rule’ in the original intention of the space was that it was not reservable.”

Noncompliance with the religion’s rules, however, can be misinterpreted as offensive.


Ya think?

15 Daisy  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:05:54pm

If only Islamists would just shut up and meditate!
But no, they storm the "Meditation" room and do a takeover.

The school needs to get rid of the "Meditation Room". Religious students can go to their respective houses of worship on their own steam. Students interested in meditation can find places to quiet their minds on their own.

16 Shug  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:06:10pm

10 eon

yeah, I'm waiting for that at Fordson High school in Dearborn, Michigan


/crickets here too

17 jfromfolsomca  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:06:54pm

But that’s not enough for the MSA. Now they’re demanding a larger area restricted to Muslims only, and an “Islamic Education Center”—that will be run by the Muslim Student Association.

Give these bastards an inch and they take a mile, along with your head.

j

18 ratherdashing  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:09:01pm

Remember that the MSA is quick to point out that Islam is NOT a religion. They believe it's a way of life. To them it's a cultural, legal, economic and religious way of life that works in opposite ways to our democratic and capitalistic derived freedoms. I can't think of a more obvious enemy to our American way of life than this right now. And our universities are granting its adherents more and more leeway.

19 scott in east bay  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:09:16pm

Sounds like this is screaming for some very loud Torah reading.

I hope the Christians have long, long prayer sessions.

If the Muslims demand that men and women stay separate, then refuse! Wear shoes! MAKE THEM OVERREACT.

And then don't hesitate to file "hate crime" lawsuits, "discrimination" complaints.

Many can play this game. Why are we not turning the tactics on the barbarians?

20 mama winger  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:09:18pm

It's very typical of muslims not to build their own space, but to commandeer the space of others.

Lazy bastards.

21 Daisy  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:09:26pm

From George Mason U. site:

• "Mason has almost 30,000 students, the largest enrollment in Virginia. We are also the most diverse university in the country.


Uh oh.

22 incanus  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:09:53pm

My son is 14 years old. I really struggle with the question of whether he should go to college at all. It's very scary.

23 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:10:04pm

#8 mama winger
I'm pretty sure it's a State University.

24 Van Impe  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:10:30pm

Same old story. Stuff like this happens all the time at colleges and universities: Muslim students group asks for access to "multi-faith" space and the Christian students welcome them with open arms (kinda like the time Homer Simpson invited two carnies to stay at his house) only to find out very quickly that their generosity is not reciprocated.

25 scaramouche  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:11:03pm

Infidels may not be welcome but I'm sure "reverts" are.

26 mama winger  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:12:02pm

#22 incanus

My daughter went to University of Wisconsin - Madison. Can't get much more moonbatty than that. And she did fine.

Little Winger is going to Lutheran college to be a minister, so no worries there.

Raise your kids right and trust in God for the rest.

27 Daisy  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:12:19pm

#19 scott in east bay,

It's such a diverse university .. perhaps there are enough ecstatic snake handlers who can be called in to 'Meditate' :) ..

28 mama winger  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:12:54pm

#23 Killgore

Yes - I found out that it is indeed public.

29 Ward Cleaver  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:12:55pm

George Mason is a state school, founded in 1957 as the Northern Virginia Branch of UVA. It became George Mason University in 1972.

One of fields it specializes in? Climate change.

It's named after one of the founding fathers. Mason drew up the Virginia Bill of Rights, upon which the U.S. Bill of Rights is modeled after.

Mason is likely spinning in his grave today.

30 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:13:49pm

These f***ers want to Islamize our country. I hope the university will deny them, as this is how the process begins. If they don't get what they want, they will sue. If that doesn't work, they will resort to violence. This isn't a tiny minority, it is Islam. History tells us so.

31 Daisy  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:15:13pm

George Muslim University.

32 eon  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:17:13pm

# 16 Shug

And while we're at it, where are the professional atheists in this? If this were a Christian group demanding a "meditation room" at a state-owned university (fat chance, most Christians have better manners than that), you could be 100% certain that at least one self-proclaimed "God does not exist" type would be banging on the institution's front door with a court-issued restraining order, even if the ACLU had to import one from another state and HALO-drop him or her in at o-dark-thirty to get past campus security.

Is the fact that this apparently is not happening a tacit admission, from either ACLU or the "GDNE" crowd, that Allah is not, in fact, the God of the Testaments?

And doesn't that call into question the entire foundation of Islam (claiming the Qu'ran to be the final word of the Creator, superseding the Torah, Talmud, Old and New Testaments, etc.)?

/just wondering


cheers

eon

33 Highrise  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:17:38pm

22 incanus 5/07/2007 3:09:53 pm PDT

My son is 14 years old. I really struggle with the question of whether he should go to college at all. It's very scary.

I'm a big believer in the junior college system. I went to a local JC for 3 years, then transferred to a U to get my Bachelor's in Engineering. That limited my exposure to the most liberal U I went to in Washington state. Only had to take 2 yrs of their bs.

It all depends on what your young man wants to do. A University isn't *always* needed. If he wants to do technical stuff, there are special schools for that. There are other U's NOT moonbatty. I would suggest that if you want to start researching the non moonbatty schools to go to, a homeschooling network in your state may know.

Chin up..we have choices...still.

34 Mike C.  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:18:27pm

# 29 W C

1972. It figures. That was the time when everybody wanted to be a "university." They added "and State University" to "Virginia Polytechnic Institute" not long before. Over the objections of the vast majority of the students and alumni.

35 Golem Akbar  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:18:34pm

Are Christian students demanding more space for prayers? How about Jewish students? Maybe the real problem today is that we (not us in Lizardia, hopefully) are not giving our children a reason to pray. By the time they've hit college age, they rebel from religion, if they've had any at home.

We need to give our religious youth groups on campus more support. And it looks like Muslim college students are not rebelling.

One possible solution is for the Muslim young men to be around as many coeds during the spring time as possible. Guess what they'll be praying for...

36 akak  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:18:52pm

some good news!

Army attacks Islamic Jihad cell on way to launch Qassams
Published: 05.07.07, 16:53 / Israel News

An Israeli aircraft attacked a Palestinian car in the Beit Lahiya neighborhood in the northern Gaza Strip on Monday afternoon, eyewitnesses say. The army confirmed the attack, saying that the vehicle was carrying militants belonging to the Islamic Jihad who were en route to carry out a rocket attack against Israel.

Islamic Jihad said its members in the car were on a "holy mission." It said its men escaped the vehicle but one passerby was wounded.

And they say you can't fight them! Infidels 1 Jihadis 0

37 curtlbc  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:19:12pm

I thought we decided to shut down "Islamic Education Centers". Bombed them in Afghanistan as I recall. Something having to do with training foreign fighters.

38 Shaky Louie  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:19:56pm
They are most assuredly not our friends, but they are very adept at manipulating democratic freedoms and multicultural mindrot to get what they want.
they’re demanding ( AGAIN with the demanding!)a larger area restricted to Muslims only,

These people are certainly not our friends, they are, however fiends!
It still amazes me that this is taking place before our eyes, and yet so many are stedfast in thier denial of what should be as plain as the nose on yer face!
Very few people I talk to see the threat posed by organizations like the MSA, even believing that CAIR is as valid a civil-rights organization as the NAACP. ( should add that thanks to the MSM not many know of such orgs.)
I'm tired of watching Islamocreep taking over.
[I'm beginning to feel like that character in "Invasion of The Bodysnathers" (the original) where by the end of the movie he'srunning down the street while yelling and screaming!]

39 Jimash  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:20:14pm

Somebody had it right.
Torah cabinet.
Big Cross.
Hindu gods.
Ameican Indian Dream catchers.
Pentacle.
It's still a public space right ?
Maybe a shrine to Dimebag Darrell or something.

40 Ceemack[deleted]  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:20:23pm
41 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:20:55pm

#36 akak
Their car a splode: Yahoo pic

42 Shug  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:21:49pm

32 eon

good point.
I was thinking of that today as I was working out at the Bally's at Fairlane mall in Dearborn, and watching all the women in hijabs and niqabs walk by.

I said to myself, if a white christian man had forced his wife to cover like that, and to submit to him, we'd have code pink, NARAL, NOW, and every other feminist in america foaming at the mouth like old yellar accusing them of fascist anti-woman abuse!

their silence announces their stupidity louder than any protest could

43 saltmarsh  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:22:11pm

I'm sorry, but my religion requires me to rub bacon on all surfaces around me as I chant islam is a perfidious pigshit cult, mo got it wrong, and take your backwards ass back where it came from.

44 JammieWearingFool  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:22:38pm

Ward,

I know some folks in the ECE Dept. at GMU.

Rush's frequent guest host Walter E. Williams is Professor there. I wonder what he might have to say?

45 Shug  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:23:04pm

39 jimash


you forgot the pig roast and hoola dancing

46 400lb Gorilla[deleted]  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:23:20pm
47 ZionistYoungster  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:24:38pm

You know, Leftards keep telling me the "Palestinian" "struggle" has nothing to do with Islam. They insist it's a nationalistic land dispute. And they challenge me to show how it's an Islamic jihad.

For me, incidents such as this is what they're looking for: the impudence, the brazenness, the sense of entitlement to everything, the roughshod walk over everybody else--that's a uniquely Islamic thing. When I compare the lists of demands issued by the "Palestinians" (see here for an outrageous example), and those made by the jihadists in Southern Thailand, and now this at George Mason University, I can arrive at only one conclusion: it's the same, and it's driven by Islam. It's just too similar to be something else, and no other group does that kind of thing today.

Give them a finger and they'll want the whole hand. That's the earmark of Islam. The sheer chutzpah follows their path like a shadow.

48 Daisy  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:24:56pm

#2 Highrise,

"Ahhh the silence of women's groups is so telling...they are too busy trying to infiltrate men's gyms!"

Boy are you ever correct. There's important work to be done! Now that they've infiltrated men's personas - why not infiltrate their gyms?

49 Jimash  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:25:00pm

#45 Shug

you forgot the pig roast and hoola dancing

Oh yeah , that is in. Totem poles, Easter Island heads, whatever they can think of.

50 Highrise  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:25:14pm

22 incanus 5/07/2007 3:09:53 pm PDT


Here is a link you may be interested in.

I know when it comes time for my kid to prep for a U if she decides to do that, I will be very interested to know if the Univ adopts the Academic Bill of Rights. David Horowitz is trying to get this rolling.

51 Ojoe  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:25:30pm

Why don't they make the quiet meditation space look like an airplane cockpit so they can practice?

52 LeftJustAintRight[deleted]  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:25:43pm
53 akak  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:26:04pm
Killgore Trout 5/07/2007 3:20:55 pm PDT

#36 akak
Their car a splode: Yahoo pic


Putting a kid in dager like that...shame on them! new tactic AP?

54 akak  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:27:51pm

damn web improvements...so fast!

danger...pimf

55 squarepeg  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:28:54pm

#15 Daisy

The school needs to get rid of the "Meditation Room".

Are you joking? In case you aren't, here's to remind you that the Meditation Room evidently caused no problems until the Muslims showed up.

56 Sharmuta  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:28:57pm

The main goal of the MSA is dawah- spreading islam. I believe it's in their mission statement.

57 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:30:15pm

#53 akak
I've seen them do much worse.

58 marsouin  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:31:02pm

I am a grad student at GMU. The administration like all univ. faculties are populated by social democrats. They will not complain or resist these demands.

FK

59 missouri boy  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:31:04pm

I am sure George Mason is a "GUN FREE ZONE" also.
The only "islamic education centers" that should be allowed on any campus, are ones that educate you out of islam.
iSLam makes good people bad. plain and simple

60 pat  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:31:34pm

So? Kick them out. Isn't it obvious that they are making rules in violation of policy?

Of course school authorities are scared of these thugs so will excuse this conduct.

61 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:31:41pm
62 Ojoe  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:31:55pm

Well which way is mecca?

I call BS, God is everywhere.

If you have to face a certain direction, that must be toward an idol.

Breaking the first commandment 5 times a day, no good can come of that.

63 akak  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:31:58pm
Killgore Trout 5/07/2007 3:30:15 pm PDT

#53 akak
I've seen them do much worse.

participate...say it ain't so?

64 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:32:15pm

#58 marsouin
Have you tried entering the prayer room? It might be an interesting experiment.

65 el Greco  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:32:54pm

#26 mama winger--about that going to school to be a lutheran minister. You better think twice about that. Lutherans and Episcopalians too are hardly Christian anymore. Hell, those semenaries use agnostics and athiests for instructors..Lutherans even let an avowed athiest become ordained minister.
Yep, I'd get the little winger the hell out of that training.,

66 Ojoe  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:34:23pm

61 Ploome

Yes, at my college the Catholics had the Newmann Center, but it was off campus.

I lived there for a while, in the "Cloister".

Many fond memories.

67 maclgf  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:34:28pm

#43 saltmarsh 5/07/2007 3:22:11 pm PDT

I'm sorry, but my religion requires me to rub bacon on all surfaces around me as I chant islam is a perfidious pigshit cult, mo got it wrong, and take your backwards ass back where it came from.
===
Can we please have more people telling it like it is?

Read about this religion, people. They want you to convert, subjugate, or die. And if we subjugate, we might as well be dead. So it's convert or die.

68 MacBoy  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:35:16pm

And you 'Merkins keep telling us Brits how much we've been Islamified! We're really in the same boat. Guys, this MSA group needs proscribing. Urgently.

69 hous bin pharteen  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:35:31pm

Imperialism is a bad thing.
Islamic imperialism is a good thing.
Get with the progressive/Islamic program people!

70 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:35:59pm

#63 akak
There was a story about a year ago of Pali kids recovering unexploded Israeli artillery shells (of course to be used as IED's). The MSM photographer had about 20 posed pics of 9 year old kids struggling to carry these heavy shells. It was really amazing that someone didn't put a stop to it.

71 Mike C.  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:36:46pm

Why would a serious atheist become an ordained minister ? Do you mean perhaps a theistic agnostic ?

72 ointmentfly  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:37:55pm

Here is the deal MSA (George Mason)...There are plenty of muslim prayer areas in...the middle east. The reason you are here is because your very religion has retarded economic growth, spawned dictatorships and terrorism which either sent you or your parents here to find opportunity or an escape.

Feel free to stay and contribute to our diversity, but understand that we do not feel that the constraints and exclusions of Islam contribute to our society. These aspects of your religion are better kept in the societies already negatively affected in the middle east.

73 Killian Bundy  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:38:18pm
#68 MacBoy

And you 'Merkins

Did you just call us merkins?

/care to rethink that?

74 akak  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:38:31pm

yes yes Kilgore I remember

Name Saleh Albarmawi -
Profession
Question
Assalaam Aliekoum,

Today, our sister and daughters in France, Europe, and the whole world are living a new battle of honor. I pray for Allah to have them win it. Europe is afraid of the increase Muslim population; new (discriminative) legislations would be established to fight that. What do you say to your follow Muslim sisters all over the world who gave up their HIJAB to follow the new styles and the western way of living? What do you to Sheikh M. Tantawi who “Betrayed“ you and the other sisters and the Ummah?

I pray for all you, the new "Virgin Marry(s)" of this time.



I come back with link...as y'all know I'm horrible at this stuff.

75 mac  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:39:39pm

I don't believe in atheists.

76 Aylios  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:39:47pm

This is where the US needs to take a leaf out of the french system, which rigourously separates church and state.

Obvious displays of religious affiliation are quite simply banned in all public institutions such as school, hospitals and government buildings. That's what the head-scarf row in France was about. A discrete cross/star-of-David/Crescent-moon/whatever on a chain around your neck is ok (discrete swastikas are not), a scarf on your head is not.

Obviously this affects all religions equally (as it should), but we all know who'll be reigned in by it the most. Practice of religion in educational institutions should certainly be abolished. Study of religion is ok, so long as all major religions are given equal weight.

Just get rid of this prayer room nonsense. Noones going to die if they cant pray for a few days at a time. But people will die if this plague called Islam spreads further. I.e. they're dying already and the further it spreads the more they'll die.

77 akak  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:39:52pm
78 Catttt  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:40:40pm

66 Ojoe

I lived at Newman House at college for a year. It was a large old Victorian private house, but people would occasionally wander in if the boys forgot to lock the door. The boys would often forget, and we girls would yell at them.

I think it was the Dr. Pepper machine on the porch that made it look like a public building. :)

79 lurx  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:40:53pm

hey, this looks like a quiet place to have a ham sandwich

80 Ojoe  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:41:38pm

76 Aylios

And, obviously, you don't need a special room to pray in.

81 Golem Akbar  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:41:53pm

#55 Square Peg

...the Meditation Room evidently caused no problems until the Muslims showed up.

Christians and Jews ought to be requesting use of that room for their own purposes, as well. Maybe it's time for some old fashioned "religious war." This is not the time to be passive.

82 Mike C.  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:42:17pm

# 66 Ojoe

VPI had a number of places like that, including a branch of the one you mentioned. As did the sister female college, Radford. VPI itself had (and has) a non-denominational chapel that is underground, below the war memorial at one end of the drill field. Anyway, never lived at any of those off-campus religious places, but used to frequent one, for seemingly deep discussion (which were probably pretty trivial, looking back. But hey - we were all young and ignorant.)

83 Eleanor  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:42:29pm

We had one little chapel on campus. They kept trying to put a cross on it.. but it got struck by lightening. They took that as a sign and made the church non-dem. Everybody else got their own place off campus. Really the only people on campus that were actively worshipping was the crazy guy that condemed everyone to hell (he was a trip and a half) and the Harry Krishnas (definite spelling error there?), but they just sang and played their drums.

We tried to campaign for beer on campus.. got no where with that one.

If they want their own place, how about open up their own college?

84 Aylios  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:43:02pm
I'm sorry, but my religion requires me to rub bacon on all surfaces around me as I chant islam is a perfidious pigshit cult


lmao Saltmarsh xD

Can I join your religion?

85 DesertSage  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:43:18pm

Merkins

...heh

86 missouri boy  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:43:36pm

80

And, obviously, you don't need a special room to pray in.

But , you do need a "special room" to plot terror and hide weapons.

87 Eleanor  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:44:28pm

And another thing.. not gonna win over too many friends or converts by throwing everyone out and being that secretive.

88 Ojoe  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:44:38pm

78 Cattt

We never locked ours. (boy's only). It was a "crash pad" too, but those were happier times. We never knew whom we'd see in the living room when we woke up. But this is evidence of how things will work well if there is a true and charitable religious background to it all.

89 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:44:58pm
90 Mike C.  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:45:05pm

# 75 mac

I don't believe in atheists.

That's all right - neither do atheists.

Sorry - couldn't resist.

91 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:45:32pm

#65 el Greco

Please restrict your (justified) criticism of Episcopalians to the "official" level. We orthodox/traditional Episopaliams are very much Christians, and I'd be happy to have more in serminaris to straighten the path some have taken us down.

92 squarepeg  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:45:52pm

#62 Ojoe

Well which way is mecca?

I call BS, God is everywhere.

haha. Unfortunately, the Holy Meteorite is a just and terrible Meteorite, and It is found only at Its Sacred Crash Site.

93 republic  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:46:39pm

The Islamofascists are trying to take over the USA with similar tactics which they have used in the UK for years.

90% of the American public is unaware of the Islamofascist scourge which is trying to take over America, without a shot being fired.

CAIR has been an effective tool for the outside Islamofascist human butchers, who have funded them for years, as they have almost every US government entity, afraid to just say no to them.

If the great majority of Americans don't step forward, and do everything within their legal power to stop sharia law, there are going to be large pockets of sharia law all over America, within a couple of years.

94 Aylios  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:47:13pm
Remember that the MSA is quick to point out that Islam is NOT a religion. They believe it's a way of life. To them it's a cultural, legal, economic and religious way of life that works in opposite ways to our democratic and capitalistic derived freedoms. I can't think of a more obvious enemy to our American way of life than this right now. And our universities are granting its adherents more and more leeway.


Absolutely, that's because our Universities have become more and more fascist. I.e. they are starting to share the same ideology as the Islamists. The new liberalism = fascism.

Many academics believe that they have all the answers and therefore have the right to impose those answers on others, whether we like it or not. So does Islam.

95 Paul  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:48:51pm

Behind a smokescreen of "diversity" and "multiculturalism" George Mason will cave to the MSA.

96 mac  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:49:40pm

90 Mike C.

Don't be sorry, it's not like you offended anyone's religion. Cheers.

97 Jimash  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:49:51pm

#93 republic
reminds me of a question ( Ask the Imam)
If one is so unfortunate a to live in an area of an otherwise democratic country where these sharia courts get set up and one has a disagreement or something, with a muslim neighbor or colleague, can theyu drag you into this sharia court ? Is that where this goes ?

98 lucius septimius  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:50:06pm

George Mason law school is one of the most conservative in the country, and I'm sure those folk are keeping an eye on things.

# 26 Mama Winger

Which Lutheran synod? That really is the issue, though most of the Lutheran theologians I know are perfectly sane and extremely devout people.

There are still not a few conservatives in the groves of academe, though we have to be constantly vigilant. The real problem is spineless administrators. Read Alan Kors and Harvey Silverglatt, Shadow University

99 republic  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:51:14pm

#95 Paul

Behind a smokescreen of "diversity" and "multiculturalism" George Mason will cave to the MSA.

Much like the public schools in CA, where children must take a Muslim name, and study Islam, Koran and all, as part of their schooling.

100 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:52:16pm

Witness the miracle of Koskidz framing in action...
More Proof of Media Bias: The Terrible Scourge of "Leftism"

It has been nearly impossible to surf the web in the wake of Sarkozy's recent victory in the French elections without coming across one of the most overlooked framing atrocities in all of politics: the use of the inherently negative word "leftist" to describe progressives and liberals here around the world and here in the United States.

This condescendingly destructive word is used with reckless abandon in the U.S. and international press with nary a peep from our side nor usage of its equivalent to describe the other side. Moreover, the word is used to conflate violent anarchists and protesters like those who rioted in the wake of the French election, with more mainstream progressives like those at Daily Kos.

101 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:53:31pm
102 Meryl Yourish  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:53:33pm

Just for comparison's sake, I live in Richmond, but I've been to the Jewish congregation in Petersburg, about twenty or so miles south of Richmond. It is also near Fort Lee, an Army base.

Jewish soldiers who want to pray on Fridays must find their own rides to synagogue. Brith Achim volunteers regularly drive any who want to worship from Fort Lee to the synagogue and back again, at their own cost.

The soldiers are about the same age as the Muslim students as GMU, no?

You'd think that the local mosques would arrange transportation back and forth. It's not like there aren't a lot of them in northern VA.

Nobody ever made accomodations for my religion when I was in college. They still don't. Jewish students have to take midterms on our High Holy days, and professors refuse to let them take makeups.

I wonder why that is.

103 Aylios  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:53:54pm
My son is 14 years old. I really struggle with the question of whether he should go to college at all. It's very scary.


Problem is if we don't keep sending our kids to college then the Islamists win.

They're already pushing us out of entire swaths of cities. It's happening all over the world. They take over an area, start firebombing cars (France), raping and assaulting girls (France, Australia, all over the place) preaching that rape is ok because the girls are guilty if they're raped (Sydney), they turn their suburbs into places no non-muslim wants to live. So the non-muslims leave. Presto: a mini-sharia state is created.

Then they do the same with education. They take over our universities. Who gets an education and graduates from University? They do. Who ends up gradually occupying the leading positions in our society. They do of course, because they've got the university degrees, we don't.

It's the push-the-infidel-out tactic, used in every corner of our society.

104 republic  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:54:56pm

#98 l_s

George Mason law school is one of the most conservative in the country, and I'm sure those folk are keeping an eye on things.

They've obviously turned a blind eye the other way on this very issue.

These so called "Conservative" schools, like William and Mary, which removed a Cross from the Chapel, the Chapel, all because ONE PERSON complained.

Oh, they are planning on bringing the Cross back, but only on Sundays, and it will be in a glass case.

Because one person complained, they reacted.

The powers of Darkness are working in overtime.

105 Jimash  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:55:13pm

OPk, I give up. They ruined "Liberal" and prootest at "Leftist", just calll 'em commies and have done with it.
It's nice that the Koslings aren't ready to start carbecueing yet.
CAn we hold them to that in "08 ?
Good thing November is chilly .

106 ted  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:56:20pm

As I have stated many times before, the greatest threat facing the U.S. is not externnal: but the jihad being waged against us from our college campuses and the MSM.

107 republic  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:56:32pm

#103 Aylios

It's the push-the-infidel-out tactic, used in every corner of our society.

All anybody has to do, is say, NO!

A simple little word, NO!

108 DesertSage  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:56:43pm

#100 Killgore Trout

"Leftist" is a perfect word for, uhhh...Lefties.

I don't know what they're complaining about. "Progressive" doesn't work, Lefties haven't progressed in over 60 years.

109 jcm  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:57:04pm

#22 incanus

One word.

Hillsdale

Lizards;
Imprimis is a MUST read.

110 Mike C.  Mon, May 7, 2007 3:57:05pm

mama winger

Okay - drop the lutefisk and step back slowly.

111 Pwest  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:00:26pm

Would gays be welcome? I think we need to investigae. We shouldn't be giving organizations free reign on campus if they are promoting hate. I mean Christians infidels are one thing, but gay infidels are another.

112 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:01:39pm

# 104 Republic

The problem, as I said further down in my post, is at the level of the administration. College administrators are professionals, and most of the deans and deanlets are merely punching their card on the way to the top. In the meantime, they want to make sure that they have no "stains" on their record. "Not on my watch" is their motto, and since the lefties and multis are the ones to cause the most trouble, they do everything to mollify them. And they don't care about repercussions because in a few years they will have happily moved on to the next job. Under these circumstances it is hard for faculty to do much of anything but wait out the storm.

113 HeatherRadish  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:04:01pm

#111 Pwest

Would gays be welcome?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

That's the only way the kook-left is going to get religion, so to speak--as soon as a member of the MSA or CAIR in good standing kills a member of the GBLT (which is not a sandwich) community.

114 republic  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:04:20pm

#97 Jimash

#93 republic
reminds me of a question ( Ask the Imam)
If one is so unfortunate a to live in an area of an otherwise democratic country where these sharia courts get set up and one has a disagreement or something, with a muslim neighbor or colleague, can theyu drag you into this sharia court ? Is that where this goes ?

Nothing will surprise me from this point forward.

There was a time in U.S. history, where the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, were the law of the land.

The Constitution will be short lived in America, if the idiots in Washington don't get off their "power" horses, and get back to what this country was all about.

One of the Founders said, that the Constitution was only useful to a "moral and religious people", and since Islam is not a religion, but an ideology, and that it wouldn't work effectively any other way.

We are all witness to the "it won't work any other way" era.

115 looking closely  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:05:05pm

#76 Aylios

Practice of religion in educational institutions should certainly be abolished. Study of religion is ok, so long as all major religions are given equal weight.

Just get rid of this prayer room nonsense. Noones going to die if they cant pray for a few days at a time. But people will die if this plague called Islam spreads further. I.e. they're dying already and the further it spreads the more they'll die.


Ridiculous.

Students should be free to practice whatever religion they like at their place of study, so long as it doesn't cause a disruption.

And students should certainly be permitted to study any religion they like, and to the extent that they like. Want to earn your PhD in Zoroastrianism? I don't see why anyone should be prohibited from doing that. Market forces will ensure that classes will be taught to meet that "demand".

With respect to the "meditation" room, the answer is clear, its to be used for meditation (ie quite reflection or prayer).

Persons attempting to monopolize it for other purposes (ie organized loud prayer) or impose gender or other rules should be banned from its use.

If the George Mason Muslims students need their own prayer room, let them use one in the nearby community, rent one off campus, or use some students private room. The school can't give them their own prayer room, unless its also willing to give any self-professed religious group its own prayer room, which is a slippery slope I'm sure the school doesn't want to slip down.

116 Zach_the_Lizard  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:05:21pm

As each day passes, I get happier and happier that I chose to attend JMU over GMU. Hopefully this infestation won't spread to JMU and we'll just disband half our sports teams instead...

117 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:05:41pm
118 Ma Sands  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:07:12pm

#41 Killgore Trout

Now there is a kid from that hell hole of a place, doing something normal! --sucking his thumb to comfort himself...though that in itself tears at my heart... ):

119 republic  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:07:25pm

#112 L_S

And they don't care about repercussions because in a few years they will have happily moved on to the next job. Under these circumstances it is hard for faculty to do much of anything but wait out the storm.

Ah, but there is One who is recording their every thought and action, and one day, they will be held in Judgement.

Those very people, lived their lives to this point, understanding that, and somehow, they have recently left the Fight.

Deception, is the only thing that can describe this.

120 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:07:48pm

Here's where the dreaded Ham of Hate™ comes into play.

121 Killgore Trout  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:07:59pm

#105 Jimash
From the French TV coverage of the election last night I found it interesting to see newscasters discussing the fact that socialism/marxism is is dead. No one (even in Europe) believes it can work any more.

#108 DesertSage
"Regressive" is a more apt label for them.

122 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:09:08pm

Sounds like a good room for GMU to host Rocky Horror in come Halloween.

Or has the campus already jumped as far to the left as it can get?

123 republic  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:10:07pm

#121 Killgore Trout

From the French TV coverage of the election last night I found it interesting to see newscasters discussing the fact that socialism/marxism is is dead. No one (even in Europe) believes it can work any more.

No wonder the leftist wacko kooks are so pissed off.

Hey, you must be catching fish, have you been holding out on us?

I have another turkey hunt coming up, I'm fired up.

The first season was a great success.

124 Ma Sands  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:10:27pm

#46 [deleted]

Hmmm...what else does he say but "stop Islamifacism now", in all-caps...?

125 squarepeg  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:11:16pm

#100 Killgore Trout

Poor lexico-victims. Communist, leftist, anarchist, all those perfectly good causes ruined by lousy word-associations.

They'll use the whole dictionary before they wise up.

126 lostlakehiker  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:11:47pm

It is not the job of George Mason University to build a mosque for the use of its Muslim students. If those students want a mosque, let them buy their own land and build their mosque on it. As it would then be theirs, they would have the perfect right to lay down the rules for use of the structure, who could come in and who could not, whether or not shoes were permitted, and so on.

127 republic  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:13:29pm

#125 squarepeg

Poor lexico-victims. Communist, leftist, anarchist, all those perfectly good causes ruined by lousy word-associations.

They'll use the whole dictionary before they wise up.

Most of them will never "wise up".

They'll have the wailing and gnashing of teeth thing down, perfectly.

It'll be an easy transition for most of them.

128 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:13:41pm
129 Ma Sands  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:14:54pm

#65 el Greco

Au contraire! :) --I think Little Winger would teach the teachers a thing or two about the ways of God... :) -- seein' as how he got trained up by the Mom he's got! :)

130 Jimash  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:15:04pm

#121 Killgore

#105 Jimash
From the French TV coverage of the election last night I found it interesting to see newscasters discussing the fact that socialism/marxism is is dead. No one (even in Europe) believes it can work any more.

This should be obvious. In 1940 maybe it wasn't so obvious but by 1980 it was.
Progressive doesn't do it for me.
If they were progressive they would have an idea or two.
I've never heard one of these "progressives" speak about Space Exploration or REAL new energy tech, or anything.
(Space week program on new moon race for the H3 to run fusion reactors was most fascinating)

131 Cath  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:16:12pm

This is the mission statement of CalMSA.

[Link: msa.berkeley.edu...]

"The Muslim Student Association of the University of California, Berkeley originated primarily to bring together Muslims of diverse backgrounds and cultures under one unified, organized, proactive community. The MSA at Berkeley stands upon the principles of inclusiveness, responsibility, and action. As an organization aimed primarily at the student body, we strive to remain inclusive of those who wish to understand, appreciate, and practice their Islam without compromising their morals and beliefs. The MSA also reaches out to those who are not Muslims, primarily to educate them about the misconceptions regarding Islam and the Islamic way of life, and to include anyone willing to stand up for truth, justice, and peace. Aside from fostering a social community for Muslims, the MSA encourages mental, physical, and spiritual development through an array of athletic programs, spiritual discussions, rallies, academic forums, and charity events. The ultimate goal of the MSA is to encourage both Muslims and non-Muslims to evolve intellectually, physically, and spiritually during their tenure at UC Berkeley and to become enlightened, responsible, and just individuals."

It's unfortunate that the other religions at George Mason go along with the separation of women and shoe removal. I find that incomprehensible.

132 JamesTKirk  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:17:09pm

#125 squarepeg

Poor lexico-victims. Communist, leftist, anarchist, all those perfectly good causes ruined by lousy word-associations.

In honor of the French, can't we just call them all gauche?

133 Ojoe  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:17:20pm

112 LS

If we all wore flak jackets and carried side arms, the discussion about islam in this country would sound way different IMHO.

But school administrators ust be among the most dis-armed.

Much self-imposed silence now.

134 Ojoe  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:18:03pm

"must

PIMF

135 Jimash  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:18:09pm

They are just going to have to get used to ...
Moonbats

136 Ojoe  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:19:40pm

131 Gee that sounds nice.

137 Sharmuta  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:20:12pm
“Assign a prayer area for Muslim students. Have that area also serve as an Islam Education Center. Since MSA is a reflection of the general body of the Muslim Students at GMU, the area should be run by MSA,” said Albarmawi.

Take your filthy saudi money and build a mosque off campus where you can seperate the sexes and educate the ummah all you want.

138 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:20:39pm

# 119 Republic

Amen to that.

The people who really need to complain are the alumni -- that's where the deception really comes into play. Most don't know what's going on, and the university makes a point of only giving them happy talk.

I hear that Princeton won't even ask for money from anyone who graduated before 1960 because they know they won't agree with the current campus politics. The story may be apocryphal, but it rings true.

139 gymnast  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:23:26pm

There seems to be a bit of a First Amendment problem here. George Mason U does recieve Federal funds I assume. Seems that this should be about as difficult to resolve as a Title 9 dispute.

140 Mike C.  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:24:29pm

JMU has sports teams ? Who knew ?

141 ErisLDysnomia  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:24:49pm

As I've aid before, the quickest way to end the subversion of our society is the immediate, forceful institution of Sharia in New York, LA and San Francisco.

142 Shr_Nfr  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:25:17pm

I would like to practice some good Vodun. I demand a special place to sacrifice my goat. I also need the special place to make my graphics on the floor and play my drums. Oh yes, also a special place for my pole. Infidels such as Muslims not welcome. (For background on Vodun see "Divine Horsemen" [Link: www.imdb.com...] In the good old US of A there is a separation of government and religion. To allow a preference to any single religion is a breech. They should just tell these assholes to get used to it or go someplace else.

143 witness  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:26:35pm

#19 scott in east bay

If you wear shoes in there, they will claim its a hate crime against muslims just like the ham sandwich.

144 Zach_the_Lizard  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:27:01pm

#140

"JMU has sports teams ? Who knew ?"

I saw it on the news, so it must be true.

145 lowcountry  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:27:52pm

123 republic... We talked turkey a couple of weeks ago.I had a great season here in S.C. Best ever for me.We're going to Nebraska next week . Good luck on your upcoming hunt.!

146 sam1a  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:27:58pm

Life's taught me that people are a lot like dogs. If they bark and you run, they'll cheerfully chase you, nipping at your heels. But if you face them and hold your ground, they usually back off. And if they won't back off, at least you have a chance to kick 'em in the teeth. So why do we attempt to appease these critters?

147 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:29:24pm

There are folks out there fighting the battle for the academy and in some cases winning.

148 bcgirl  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:29:56pm

WAMY? thst is just too ironic to be funny,,, are they getting ready to deliver a big WAMY to the west,, or should that be WHAMO

149 Zach_the_Lizard  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:31:50pm

Big money, no whammies, come on, big money, big money, no whammies, stop!

150 Ojoe  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:32:34pm

THIS is a better religion than islam.

www.subgenius.com

151 Cath  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:38:43pm

136

On the face of it, it doesn't appear to be much to argue with. The truth behind the words of the mission statement, when interpreted through the eyes of what we learn here at LGF about the organization and what these people really want to accomplish, is clear.

152 grumpy old codger  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:41:04pm

Re #112 Lucius
"Not on my watch" has become the password of modern American culture. I'm in the military and the officer corps (of which I am one) is not concerned AT ALL with the welfare of the men nor of the armed Forces. All I see is "how will this affect my promotion?". It appears to be an endemic problem and I do not expect anyone to really attempt to rock the boat when their future, career, etc., is on the line.
The question is what is right for me now and not what is right?
I don't foresee any changes in this attitude until we start changing the culture, either in the civilian or the military sector.

153 finallyopen  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:51:01pm

Any Virginia readers, contact your state delegate and state senator and have this nonsense stopped

154 BuddyG  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:51:05pm

One can safely mock or challenge Christianity.
Examples include Monty Python's Life of Brian movie, the DaVinci Code book, the Piss Christ photo,
or Madonna hanging from a cross during some of her music performances.

By contrast, one cannot safely mock or challenge islam.
Examples include Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses book, the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten mohammed cartoons,
and the Submission movie which got the directory Theo Van Gogh murdered.

Not to forget all that terrorism stuff, like using kids for suicide bombers.

Yeah, give 'em a prayer room and no one gets hurt.

155 samhein  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:54:55pm

I'm to the point where, if it is not a religion based college to begin with, then no religion rooms, groups, etc., on campus...period! If you want to practice your relgion, then go to your nearest church, synagogue or mosque (if the town/city is unlucky enough to have one). If you want a group, then form it and meet off campus at said religious facility.

But the campus is off limits. It is not doing anything to religious freedom. Each is still free to practice the religion of their choice.

156 Lucius Septimius  Mon, May 7, 2007 4:55:56pm

# 152 GOC

That's disturbing to hear, but given what the CPOs I knew used to say, I'm not that surprised.

157 GeeWiz  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:03:14pm

Sorry to go OT but:
#121 realwest

I have built many computers for individuals as well as business's and have witnessesd the type of problems you describe. Sorry to be so late to the party but I saw your problem while at work. I post this from home in the hope you may see it. Many times, the problem resides with over-heating of the main processor or other chips on the motherboard or cards plugged onto it. Ventilation of the "box" is crucial in the components performance. Most people place desktop machines on the floor where the on-board fans suck in dust and fur from pets. Over-heating of components can produce the erratic behaviour you describe. Quick and easy fix and it dosen't cost anything. JMHO.

158 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:05:19pm
159 gymnast  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:06:42pm

#155, samhein. That's the way it is at most public campuses today. The first amendment does not restrict your religion but it also does not require that others provide support for it. You have the right to be left alone and the Muslims are screwing with the system to what ever extent they can. One way they screw the system is to find sheep to screw. Will the sheep at George Mason perform as their Muslim students want them to? That remains to be seen.

160 sandrine  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:20:47pm

This should underline the importance of separating church from state. The law should be that the school has no obligation to provide any facilities for any religion.

But again..as in Iraq...the unintended consequences of Bush and the Republicans' stupid policies that do separate church and state. Schools should not be required to accommodate any religion. There should be no separate rooms for religious prayer. And certainly no separate bathrooms and foot washing rooms. Universities and colleges should not become religious breeding grounds.

161 blackwater man  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:25:44pm

I say we arm the Christians on the right and the Muslim's on the left and see who's left after the battle.

Oh wait, that's what we are doing in Iraq.


/nevermind.

162 ladycatnip  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:26:38pm

If only I were young and at college again...I'd gather all the Christians on campus and park ourselves in the meditation room, encourage loud praying, speaking in tongues, reading the Bible aloud...yes, I'm afraid I would do just that - in mixed company and with our shoes on.

163 Sevoguy  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:28:52pm

I suggest that the Christian Club at George Mason University go to this Quite Meditation Room and tell the muslims about THE GOOD NEWS OF JESUS CHRIST.

Those Christians, preaching this GOOD NEWS, should make sure to point out that Christians don't blow themselves up as humun bombs murdering innocent people; muslim or otherwise.

You do have a Christian Club, don't you?

It is the duty of every Christian to convert these LOST SOULS.

164 blackwater man  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:33:12pm

#160 sandrine


But again..as in Iraq...the unintended consequences of Bush and the Republicans' stupid policies that do separate church and state


Maybe I'm slow but does that mean it's Bush's fault again? "Stupid policies that do separate church and state"?

/I'm going to the beer hall tonite.

165 mghirsch  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:37:06pm

When I was a student at a state university, the Hille Association, Newman Center, and all the other religous groups either built or rented their own places. Why can't they use some of their obscene oil profits to do the same?

166 Highrise  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:41:23pm

160 sandrine

And where does hillary sit on this issue exactly?

167 Highrise  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:43:42pm

164 blackwater man

It's always Bush's fault. hillary will save us..get with the program.


/sarc

168 deseeded  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:48:04pm

Every religious group I ran in to during my years at college at Northeastern were told to pay for their own buildings, rent rooms, or pay to advertise for off campus activities.

We had a non denominational prayer room that was used mostly by the Muslim students of whom I was friendly with a few. There were Christians right next to the Muslims and no trouble...even after 9/11, they showed a solidarity which would shock people these days. We still talk about how messed up some universities have become with this Muslim show of power.

Though it probably is saying something that the majority of my Muslim friends are Turkish and understand the value of secularism and stand strong against this sissy thuggery.

169 the_flying_pig  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:52:53pm

Why are the university administrators around the nation encouraging or allowing segregation along the religious (read: Islamic) lines?!

I've never seen students of the Jewish, Protestant, Mormon, Hindu and other faiths ever demand separate rooms and education centers when I was in college or even visited other colleges.

170 Highrise  Mon, May 7, 2007 5:57:05pm

169 the_flying_pig 5/07/2007 5:52:53 pm PDT

Why are the university administrators around the nation encouraging or allowing segregation along the religious (read: Islamic) lines?!

Part of it may be this response in 112:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]


I know with my experiences with colleges, the admins always liked to go with the path that had the least resistance. 112 is spot on imo.

171 galtg  Mon, May 7, 2007 6:07:31pm

Muslim Education Center huh?

I can just imagine the courses

beheading 101

advanced intolerance 101

how to live in poverty and love it 201!

172 NY Nana  Mon, May 7, 2007 6:07:46pm

A bit OT, but this is happening in the public school system of NYC:An Arabic Public School.

There are 7 articles and opinions. Coming to a public school near you? I hope not.

173 Solomon2  Mon, May 7, 2007 6:14:34pm

It's been years, but I've been in the "quiet room" at GMU because I had to pass through there from one place to another. Maybe it's not the same place now (it seemed a bizarre arrangement then), but if it is, taking over that space would be like taking over the entrance to the Brooklyn Bridge: a taking of a public right-of-way essential for everyone to use, not just a self-segregated minority.

I wonder if the MSA will charge non-Muslims a toll.

174 Capt_Faust  Mon, May 7, 2007 6:17:17pm

Damn it Damn it DAMN IT!

Ok…sorry guys I just have to vent. Those of you LGF Lizards may know by my other posts that I went to GMU for my undergrad, and that I made it out of that institution of higher learning in 2004 (no I am not a 23 year old person…I was an older student that lived in the real world for a bit before attending the University) My last post on LGF about Mason reflected about the number of “Palestinian” students that continuously marched around and demanded many things. I also posted about the “peace scarves” (that incidentally I saw on some of the necks of the “youths”/ Marxists in the posted videos about the French car-cookout after their most recent election) and how these “peace scarves” were so prevalent on campus back in 2003/04. But with what GMU is changing into is really testing my patience.

I remember that “meditation” room in the JC (Johnson Center) and I remember it well. When I first got my orientation to Mason we were shown the JC meditation room and there were 4-5 Muslims praying in it…that I had no problem with, and did not think anything about it at all. Later on in my school years I would go to the JC to get books (it also held an extensive open air library) and try to isolate myself to study. Every time I went to the meditation room to try to isolate myself I would find students praying in unison (and if you guessed that these students who were praying were Muslims you guessed right). Occasionally in many trips I would find 1 or 2 non-Muslim students in there, but there were always 2 or 3 Muslim students praying…and it was getting crowded with a strange atmosphere so I never stayed in there, but buggered off to other vistas.

Now the reason I wanted to use that room is because it was super silent, and it also held a great overlook of the quad outside of the JC (which included the clock, and the feeds from Robinson A / B, and the science hall so there were always attractive ladies to look at from the windows at that angle…what do you want, I was in college then. If I did not want to study, I could look out the window and enjoy the view…heh heh heh). By my second year there I stopped trying to use the “meditation” room because it was always full…and I mean ALWAYS…with praying or gathering Muslims. I never thought anything about it then, and in fact I did not want to step on toes (still towing the PC line about religion at that time…just religion, not anything else. In retrospect it is pure providence that I survived that school with my beliefs intact…I must have been an enigma and a half). My place to study was the second library, on the 5th floor in the corner…where a nice spring day and the pretty ladies could not distract me from the limited time I had to study before I went to work.

My 3rd and final year there (I was a transfer student) I once was looking for a book in the JC with a teammate of mine and we were laughing about some rude joke. We were about 3 rows away from the mediation room, and suddenly this guy walks down the isle, dressed in heavy Islamic gear (robes, hat, sandals, beginning of a semi-adult wispy scraggly beard) toward us…he is walking with a brisk pace and stops right in front of us and says “Do you mind…keep your voices low! There are people praying here…” I being who I am did not like his tone of voice and yelled out (and I do mean yelled) “WHO THE HELL PRAYS IN A LIARBRAY…NERDS?” To which both my teammate and I burst out laughing in hysterics…that just seemed to infuriate this man even more. I did not mean it as total offence as it could be construed now, but I was thinking books? Prayer? Nerds must surround me! Needless to say I was way off the mark not knowing of the hidden service…add to the fact I had no idea that there were numerous students praying at once in a impromptu service in room meant for “everyone” but was annexed by one group of people, 20 feet away. From where we were submersed in books in isles longer then a greyhound bus; we could not even see the entrance to the meditation room.

175 Capt_Faust  Mon, May 7, 2007 6:18:08pm

We were on the right floor, in the right wing to get notes…not lectures. This man comes up to us at random and says this? WTF mate? After my outburst this guy quickly turned around and stormed off back down the isle. My teammate and I found the book…and returned to the center of the JC to check it out. Laughing all the way imitating his facile expressions to each other.

I did not pay attention to the slow encroach of Islam then, but today I see some major warning signs that I missed.

The JC was a huge eatery (imagine a huge oval) with an open-air center from the first floor to the ceiling four stories away. There were always hundreds of students gathering, socializing, and eating there at the same time, at all times of day. Out side of the “food court” was the library that was located on certain floors above, stuck next to offices, computer labs, the video editing lab, the copy place, the study areas for he library, and even an “upscale” restaurant on the top floor of the JC. Under all this noise and commotion, I did not watch as the meditation room slowly started turning into a Mosque…

I had not noticed the whole JC being turned into a temporary mosque over the course of my studies there at GMU…it would have seemed strange to have 40-45 catholic students praying and holding mass 3 times a day in the JC, but apparently the MSA was allowed and these actions were encouraged.

We must learn from this, and see how certain people will manipulate situations to the nth degree…how actions of a “few” can take over a room for “all”.

Thanks for listening to my rant…I feel better now.

176 Solomon2  Mon, May 7, 2007 6:22:05pm

I've never seen students of the Jewish, Protestant, Mormon, Hindu and other faiths ever demand separate rooms and education centers when I was in college or even visited other colleges.

Requests for temporary occupation of out-of-the-way areas or rooms for religious events and meetings are common. Permanent facilities are usually located off-campus, unless the school is religion-based in the first place, and has a facility on-campus controlled by the denomination running the school. Sometimes such chapels are shared between faiths - more accurately, they are loaned out by the faith controlling the building.

What the MSA students at GMU want is different, however: rather than start from scratch, they wish to impose their religion forcefully upon others, because the location of the "quiet room" will make non-Muslim students travel out of the way to get to where they are going. It's the same thing as demanding that non-Muslims step off the sidewalk into the gutter when a Muslim is about to pass: it is meant to be demeaning.

177 A Limey In Yanks Clothing  Mon, May 7, 2007 6:23:22pm

I'm surprised that some people are actually still trying to analyse the motives behind these incidents.

These "outrageous" demands are "rubbing in" the ineffectiveness of our system, part of the islam cults' plan of establishing a caliphate is to severely humilliate us at every opportunity.

Each "cave-in" by the good-guys (which will happen at GMU) embolden the muslims killers, and depresses the infidel appeasers.

I'm afraid the civilized ways of the west are NOT going to be enough to stop this barbaric scourge - we will NOT talk our way out of this threat

178 AirForceWife  Mon, May 7, 2007 6:27:00pm

22 incanus 5/07/2007 3:09:53 pm PDT

My son is 14 years old. I really struggle with the question of whether he should go to college at all. It's very scary.

Which is why the military academies are looking better and better as a direction to steer my kids towards.

179 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, May 7, 2007 6:30:32pm
180 Red Girl in Blue Minnesota  Mon, May 7, 2007 6:31:20pm

I think I'd have to stomp into that prayer room with my big black boots, loudly reciting the 23rd Psalm!

181 Capt_Faust  Mon, May 7, 2007 6:49:34pm

#180 Red...


:)

182 crashnburn  Mon, May 7, 2007 7:01:58pm

Do they have a microwave in there? Drop a pound of bacon in and nuke it from 25 minutes. MMM - MMMHHHMM!

There's a mosque about 10 minutes down Braddock Road from GMU. Get in a car and drive on over and join the rest of your friends pointing towards the sainted meteor...

183 Daisy  Mon, May 7, 2007 8:45:28pm

#55 squarepeg,

Actually, I wasn't joking. This is not a religious university; it's secular.

It seems reasonable for students affiliated with organized religions to get there own behinds to services and for students who would like to mediate to find a quiet place to do so. If the school feels like helping students facilitate getting their respective behinds into services (help arrange transport, providing service schedules etc. ) they can do that. I don't see how the school has any obligation to provide a "meditation room" for anyone for any reason.

184 spam spam spam spam  Tue, May 8, 2007 7:14:44am

Saudi Arabia is a staunch ally in the War on Terror. This much we know because we are told so by our President. Our leader, who does not lie.

Therefore an attack on the MSA is an attack on Saudi Arabia is an attck on President Bush.

If you are as outraged by this attack on what is a simple request for a little space and time to pray, please write George Washington University and tell them you support President Bush and ALL Abrahamic faiths.

185 gymnast  Tue, May 8, 2007 8:43:02am

Spam 4. Great demonstration of your analytic skills, contextual comprehension, and ability to analyze critical information with lazer like precision. I would hope that the "powers that be" at George Washington U enjoy reading your letter as much as your enjoy writing it.


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