I been telling you it's coming back here...

This bust is no doubt a result of Tony Soprano's cooperation with Special Agent Harris

Suicide by US Infantryman.

MSNBC this morning also called them Islamic terrorists.

I've trained in Ft. Dix & played paintball in the Poconos. And grew up outside of Cherry Hill. Talk about terrorism right in your backyard!

Sheesh. The Poconos used to be a honeymoon destination. Now it's a terrorist training center.

Had they got away with their plans there are many people on the Left who would not have considered it to be terrorism because it was the military that was targeted.

According to Hot Air three of those arrested were here illegally.

No worries though. They're just here to commit acts of terrorism that Americans won't do.

"Islamic radicals?"

That is so politically incorrect.

The Fort Dix Six!

That would have gotten real ugly, real fast.

6 ___ Plot to Attack US Army base and Murder Soldiers

Yankees in Yugos
Yugoslavian Mormon Missionaries
Jehovah's Witnesses

That is quite close to Philadelphia, is it not? I would like to know what mosque they are associated with.

Surely this could make things awkward for certain Dems.

Well if they were trying to kill U.S. soldiers than the LEFT will just love these guys.

OT - Yoots burn Sarkozy in effigy.

This is how the story appears on the electronic version of the New York Times:

6 Arrested in Plot to Attack Fort Dix
By DAVID KOCIENEWSKI 6 minutes ago
Six people have been arrested on allegations of plotting to kill soldiers at an army installation, an official said today

No Muslims here. It does mention them in the story however.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

BTW: Were the Dixie Chicks involved?

Interesting to see how this plays out over the 48 hours. Thing is, Clinton sent the US military into former Yugoslavia to help the moslems! It doesn't appear these were very grateful.

I would love to see the US attorney ask for an indictment for treason. If this conduct does not qualify, what does?

5 beer drinker

Big whoop! Ed's been drunk there.

/

”Don’t equate actions with religion," he said.

Then stop screaming Allahu Akbar as you saw off heads.

Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.
Islamic terrorists.

Gee.
I read two articles on this this AM.
One from MSNBC
Neither mentioned the Islamic part.
The MSM is down for Islamic Imperialism.

18 peacekeeper

In my mind, absolutely!

The whining begins.

Yeah. Poor things.

The description of the suspects as “Islamic militants” was causing renewed worry among New Jersey’s Muslim community.

Worry is a terrible thing. Like worrying if you'll be murdered at the store or on your way to work by some Islamic Radical.

When they self-identify as Islamic militants (as they do) what should the new services do?

I know, what they do do, ignore the elephant in the room.

The Star-Ledger article used the j-word. And no scare quotes.

Federal investigators last night arrested six Islamic radicals who were planning a heavily-armed attack against soldiers at Fort Dix as part of a jihad against America, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office.

In a statement released this morning to confirm a report on The Star-Ledger’s Web site, the U.S. Attorney’s Office said the men planned to “kill as many soldiers as possible.”

Mama Winger, NJ has quite a large Muslim population in and of itself. They don't need to go to Philadelphia. Some of the hijackers stayed in NJ before 9/11.

As I said in my post, this won't be the last jihadi bust in NJ.

#8 Dirk Diggler
Nice one.

A Million Moderate Muslims on the March
by Daniel Pipes

“But when the government says ‘Islamic militants,’ it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous.

”Don’t equate actions with religion," he said.

Oh murder...

I was reading on Hot Air that one guy is a pizza delivery guy. That has always worried me, since I can verify that most (not all) military bases in our area do not check out pizza guy's like they should. I used to be delivery driver, and the guards would usually let us in without a second glance. We always used to joke that we should make a film about where we could go with just a car-top, a shirt, and a pizza bag. Heck, I have even parked my car in front of an airport for 45 mins or so while I made deliveries- after 9/11. No-one suspects the pizza guy I guess...

Unlike Virginia Tech, Fort Dix is not a "Gun Free Zone". I don't think these guys would have accomplished much.

It is good to see the JTTF was on this early and prevented another horrifying attack.
Another feather in the cap of "being on the offense"

That "Jordanian" is likely a "Palestinian". Hmmm...

I've been covering the breaking news, but it seems that attacking Fort Dix was just the tip of the iceberg. These terrorists were plotting to attack a number of Northeastern military installations. That begs the question whether there were others involved...

My coverage here.

Gosh, Sohail Mohammed should have a fatwa issued against him as an apostate for denying that Koran says what it says.

#21 cbinflux

No doubt. I never had the chance to get drunk in Ft. Dix. Ft. Knox, however, is a different story.

BTW, speaking of the Chickens, I rearranged their CD's at target a couple of days ago.

/Forgive me, and watch over Johnnie Cochran's blessed workers here on Earth.

Pro-Bush Canuck 5/08/2007 8:16:25 am PDT

Suicide by US Infantryman.

I would love to see those bastards break through the fence during target practice,

Men,
We have new targets, Ready on the Left, Ready on the Right,
Bring me your body counts..

Michelle has the whole story with police reports

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

”Don’t equate actions with religion," he said.

Take away Islam, would there be an action?

36 lawhawk

This should be a wake up call to many wide-open bases and PX Forts around the country.

#15 nuggsgalore

Well if they were trying to kill U.S. soldiers than the LEFT will just love these guys.

S...
Sc...
Scr...
Screw 'em!

/marKos moulitsas eff-eminate zuniga

The local news here also said that they "are believed to be from the former Yugoslavia..."
Wonder what part?

Jihadis in Jersey

Maybe now the media will notice a trend and give us an update on Sulejman Talovic.

Remember Salt Lake City!

I've been covering the breaking news, but it seems that attacking Fort Dix was just the tip of the iceberg. These terrorists were plotting to attack a number of Northeastern military installations. That begs the question whether there were others involved...

And if they were sane?

Islamophobic racist intolerance pays off! It was all done in by an observant media technician who converted some of their training materials from tape to DVD and called the FBI.

(also amazed the FBI came through)

Had they got away with their plans there are many people on the Left who would not have considered it to be terrorism because it was the military that was targeted.

To be fair, it's a real breakthrough in ethics for the Jihadists to attack somebody who might be able to shoot back. Given what I've read about security responses at U.S. bases, though, they probably had a better chance of succeeding than it appears.

The U.N. can't come up with a definition for "terrorism" but I've found Jeff Cooper's idea of "non-combatant" vs. "civilian" clears things up. I think a starting definition for terrorism should be something like "Deliberately attacking non-combatants in order to influence policy".

Whether the laws of war requiring opposing parties to wear uniforms should apply to that definition, I don't know. If we say a terrorist is somebody who attacks without identifying themselves by a uniform, then that makes, for example, the Tet Offensive a terrorist act.

“But when the government says ‘Islamic militants,’ it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous.

They're not?!?!

ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!

/really must get back to TDY prep. Later, all. Will miss LGF (just for a short while, thank G-d).

#33 dirk diggler:

Consider the possibility of a suicide bomber at the front gate, followed by additional attacks inside the base. Or, the pizza guys make a delivery to the barracks, and blow up there. They could do quite a bit of damage before the troops are locked and loaded. /just trying to get in the head of the terrorists...

The description of the suspects as “Islamic militants” was causing renewed worry among New Jersey’s Muslim community. Hundreds of Muslim men from New Jersey were rounded up and detained by authorities in the months following the Sept. 11 attacks, but none was connected to that plot.

Yes, but weren't NJ muslims (Patterson, IIRC) dancing in the streets after 9/11? I'd have rounded them up and detained them, too...

We should have learned long ago that Muslims are never grateful about anything they are given.
I wonder if those men slept on one of those round beds and bathed in the champagne glass while in the Poconos.

16 Ringo the Gringo
OT - Yoots burn Sarkozy in effigy.

Thanks for posting that! Reminds me of the Portland GI effigy burnings. The crowds are completely interchangeable.

CAIR can whine all they want, but it wasn't a bunch of IRA sympathizers dancing in the streets of Paterson on 9/11.

My husband did his basic there in the early 1960's. It is enormous, and the security could be better. That is what is being said locally.

This is the website for Ft. Dix. And McGuire AFB is adjacent.

The area will hopefully be more secure after this.

I am waiting for the count of illegals involved..ah, the cult of islam.

#16 Hey Ringo check out the missing link holding the pole. LOL Damn he's ugly.

Youths? Looks like all age groups in that picture.

But there is no War on Terror. It's just a police/criminal type thing. (sarc)

Fox News had a good story on it this morning. Saying the ethnic background of the attackers (not mideast) and that they were recent converts (but I don't think Nation of Islam type converts).

41 billhedrick

Again, we tell them EXACTLY how they were discovered, traced, tracked, etc.

And they adapt. Grrr!

when the government says ‘Islamic militants,’ it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous.

I think the Mullahs and the various jihadis are doing just fine on getting that particular message out.

“But when the government says ‘Islamic militants,’ it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous.

Oh, duh!

I suppose CAIR has already begun the "John Doe" lawsuits in regards to any "John Doe's" who may have been involved in the bust of these Islamofascist human butchers.

Hear hear #40; shouldn't have captured them, just tell them at Fort Dix to expect guests...

This would be WAY more respectful:

Six “***” involved in a plot to kill U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix in New Jersey were arrested Monday night...

From the MSM style book:

Any crime by white men can be called a hate crime.

Islam is the religion of peace, under no circumstance link the Religion of Peace to violence.

/sarc

”Don’t equate actions with religion,“ he said.

Then how, pray tell, do we judge a "religion" if not by the actions of the adherents?

They would've done it.

Would've killed noone, cuase they're attacking a US army post.

Then the body count would've been:

Islamic Terrorist: 6 Dead.

US Army: 0 Dead.

Cant you see? CAN'T YOU SEE?

US Army is the aggressor!

LOOK AT THE BODY COUNT!

There is no terrorist threat.

Michael Moore

...and a nearby Navy base.

I wonder if we would have "caught" them if, when they were out in the wilderness they hadn't run into an FBI agent and approached him as to where they could get AK-47's?

"...don't equate actions with relilgion..."

Sorry, Musnuts, I no longer consider you to have a religion. What you have is a war training camp. Period. Go home, and stay there. Be sure to set your watches back 1000 years.

Ringo the Gringo
Looks like they are digging up cobblestones in the street to toss around in this pic.

We should have learned long ago that Muslims are never grateful about anything they are given.
I wonder if those men slept on one of those round beds and bathed in the champagne glass while in the Poconos.

A blogger wrote last week that in the countries they came from, these people would get beheaded if they complained. They are more then making up for last time now.

#6 mama winger

Sheesh. The Poconos used to be a honeymoon destination. Now it's a terrorist training center.

I have friends who would debate that there's any difference between the two...

#7 Ringo the Gringo

Had they got away with their plans there are many people on the Left who would not have considered it to be terrorism because it was the military that was targeted.

You mean the way that WTC was a "tragedy," but the MSM always forgets to mention the Pentagon?

Koskidz covering up for the Islamists...
New Jersey: Terror Plot Foiled?

This is as much as I know for now but i do hope the Media stresses the Yugoslavian and Albanian descent and the fact it didn't come from what we consider the Middle-East.

Dumbasses.

“But when the government says ‘Islamic militants,’ it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous."

Upon learning that there were so many language sticklers at LGF after the "Begging the Question" thread, I'm curious: What do people here think of the whole "Islamist terrorism" vs. "Islamic terrorism" debate? Is there a significant semantic distinction worth considering?

These were obviously not the sharpest knives in the drawer. What 6 freaking asshats would attack an American Army base? Not to mention that it is an Army base in New Jersey where everyone has a gun, unless they are wimpy dickweeds?
My only regret is that they weren't all shot to pieces by our guys. Would have saved a fortune in legal fees. And if there were pictures I would have had a great Christmas card for the holidays.

Considering the lows jihadis have sunken to, I find myself actually having a tiny blip of, well, not respect certainly, but less hate for these murderous scum for at least targeting adults, and armed, military adults at that.

I can't wait for the CAIR press release.

Designed to show that Bush is tough on terror and homeland security.

Probably some Albanian organized criminals looking for guns for protection and were misled.

Islam and militancy are synonymous?
They are, you idiot. What the hell do you think islam has been doing for the past 1400 years?

This lying threw their teeth crap is sure getting old but they should keep doing as they are overplaying their hand as more and more people are waking up and becoming aware of what CAIR and Islam in general is up to.

And that they were training in the Poconos area is a bit worrying as thats not more than 35 minutes from me. But not too surprising as like here in Sussex County, many people own guns and paintball is rather popular.

This also shows that the government better get wise on the illegal alien problem. Its more than just Mexicans sneaking across the borders that worries me.

And i wonder if they also have put Picatinny Arsenal under close watch. Thats also 35 minutes from me and i pass it every day. Big place but along Route 15 there are many gas stations and guess who seems to run and man them all? Ive seen some strange activity in one particular one with men coming and going in a white work van. Think im gonna place a call. Hopefully Picatinny has upped their security after this incident at Fort Dix.

#66 ratherdashing

”Don’t equate actions with religion,“ he said.

Then how, pray tell, do we judge a "religion" if not by the actions of the adherents?

A certain religious man once said "Actions speak louder than words."

Hell, even the US Attorney called them "islamic radicals".

I was going to post about this thing this morning, before the server went haywire.

Militants who espouse a conservative brand of a certain mid-eastern religion

This is as much as I know for now but i do hope the Media stresses the Yugoslavian and Albanian descent and the fact it didn't come from what we consider the Middle-East.

Their ignorance is astounding.

#54 NoSubmission,

There's more good pictures here...I especially like this one of the yoots breaking cobblestone from
Bastille square to use them as projectiles against the police.

NoPasarn has a lot of video of the mayhem as well (scroll down).

Despite the whining, we MAY be witnessing the turning point in America!

No longer 'activists' or 'militants'...

They act like terrorists, they talk like terrorists, we bust them for being terrorists, and NOW the Media CALLS THEM TERRORISTS!

Islamic Terrorists.

This spade is speyed!

"a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous"

To these six Islamists, Islam and militancy are synonymous. Now go wash your feet, Sohail Mohammed, and think about it some more.

Shhh, listen... You can already hear the spinning.

Neither the BBC nor NPR in their reporting this morning mentioned the religious or ethnic identity of the conspirators. I just assumed they were Buddhists from Switzerland.

#76 Killgore

This only proves what we racist RethugliKKKans have been saying - Islam is not a race!

I was on McGuire AFB (located adjoining Ft Dix) when 9/11 happened. I seem to remember that in the days following the attack (when we were still locked down on threatcon Delta), the FBI broke up some suspected terror cells right outside the base gates in Wrightstown and Cookstown. Incidentally, the anthrax letters were mailed from the postal service center that handles this area's outgoing mail. What makes New Jersey so popular? It must be the water...

Thank you president Clinton.
Thank you for siding with the muslim Bosniacs and Kosovars, sending air support to Bin Laden's mujahedeens fighting in Yugoslavia and bombing the shit out the Serbians who were only trying to keep their country from being butchered and teared apart by Islamists.
Now the chicken came home to roost. Same people Clinton helped are here to kill us.

By the way, did anyone know if a single mass grave filled with "innocent" muslims was found in Kosovo or Bosnia? Clinton and the his liberal media lap dogs were claiming dozens of mass graves filled were filleb with innocent muslims by the barbaric Serbian army, yet almost a decade after the Balkan wars nobody found a single one.
And when you think neither secular liberals nor muslims don't believe in ressurection...

Update: The names of the suspects via one of the filed complaints:

Good to see the "Mohamad" rule is still in effect.

Ok pretend for one second there was large Islamic immigration to the US during the 30s and during WWII, there were clandestine support meetings for the Nazis and attacks planned against US troops in support of the "insurgents" (that would be the SS).

Can you imagine American response?

Japanese Americans were overwhelmingly loyal to the US and look what the US did JUST AS A PRECAUTION!

Naturally, Nissei troops acquitted themselves valiantly under our flag.

America is a much more forgiving place today. I am proud at the restraint and fundamental decency we extend to Muslims every day. The handful of ugly post-911 incidents that did occur spoke worlds of American belief in individual responsibility and innocence- let the American public become convinced that Mulaims first loyalty is to a radical anti-democratic Ummah and all bets are off.

Mealy mouthed sotto vocce support for these radicals seriously jeopardizes the future of Islam in America.

For a religion of Peace, they sure have a problem with violence.

72 NoSubmission,

I guess we think alike...I just linked to the same picture.

OT
This can't be good

Jerusalem's Arab population rising twice as fast as its Jewish
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

This is as much as I know for now but i do hope the Media stresses the Yugoslavian and Albanian descent and the fact it didn't come from what we consider the Middle-East that our liberal former President launched a non-UN backed illegal bombing campaign to give part of Serbia to Albania.

I guess he didn't know anyone on the train.

The Smoking Gun has the FBI affidavit.
via...the corner...

#48 squarepeg

Islamophobic racist intolerance pays off!

I think Eric Cartman already proved that point.

You can sort of understand why they did it. Everything was going swimmingly for them i nthe former Yugoslavia, where they where being massacred by the thousands and the big old bully USA had to stick its nose in and...save them.

#78 mrsoc

As I said in the previous thread - NJ jihadis are about as sharp as bowling balls. Remember when the first WTC bombers tried to get their money back on the rental van they blew up?

Maybe Kos isn't saying much but the Huffington Post is blaming Bush.

94 jinxmedic

I'm convinced that it's the stark contrast from concrete to sandy pine forests.

#52 JamesTKirk 5/08/2007

The description of the suspects as “Islamic militants” was causing renewed worry among New Jersey’s Muslim community. Hundreds of Muslim men from New Jersey were rounded up and detained by authorities in the months following the Sept. 11 attacks, but none was connected to that plot.

Yes, but weren't NJ muslims (Patterson, IIRC) dancing in the streets after 9/11? I'd have rounded them up and detained them, too...

NYC too. I also heard of a girl who called from a college in Connecticut telling her father she was scared because the arabs were dancing outside her window.

This might be a good time for CAIR to think about dropping the whole sueing John Doe thing.

It takes a village... to relocate Kosovo to New Jersey:

Life in "The Village": From Chaos to Calm

June 14, 1999 – This story is part of a series of articles detailing U.S. military support to the Kosovar refugees who have been provided safe haven at Fort Dix, N.J. To see the entire series, visit our Operation Provide Refuge Web site.

The money line;

Each dorm also features a prayer room oriented toward the Muslim holy city of Mecca.

Nice.

"a John Doe turned them in"

How long before CAIR sues the John Doe in question for an islamophobic hate crime?

We have to pound these Islamic lawyers and apologists into the ground until they stop whining about "racism" and "oppression."

These people had in mind jihad -- it's what radical Muslims do -- and so long as Muslims are giving anything but complete and thorough condemnations of radical Islam they should be pursued by Americans and rejected mercilessly by society.

The lawyers for the jihadists and CAIR are (or surely will be) enabling / excusing jihad by defending in any sense these attempted mass murderers.

Set aside the question of whether this is what Islam is about or not. That's a further debate. The important issue here is that many Muslims today understand their religion to call for mass murder of the non-believer.

I still think the U.S. approach to the homegrown Sons of Baal is the wrong approach, though I know I'm preaching to the choir here on the LGF board.

(1) When the Muslims know they are being singled out rather than worry about being singled out

(2) When American public finally equate the Muslim Baal religion with militant actions

(3) When the Sons of Baal don't demand foot basins to wash their filthy feet but feel obligated to ask if they may even use the restroom,

then I'm pretty sure we would see a more positive attitude and a dose of appreciation for our great country.

#77 Isadore

“But when the government says ‘Islamic militants,’ it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous."

Upon learning that there were so many language sticklers at LGF after the "Begging the Question" thread, I'm curious: What do people here think of the whole "Islamist terrorism" vs. "Islamic terrorism" debate? Is there a significant semantic distinction worth considering?

I think "wog" is more concise.

Everyone is too excited, Calm down and repeat Jon Qerrys words of encourgment.

Terrorists are just a nuisance.

Terrorists are just a nuisance.

There,
We feel better already.. Dont we?

./

One of these days, one of these cells will be successful in their mission I fear. I only hope whatever damage they do is minor.

Linda, the article was only nine short paragraphs. Didn't you read it? I guess not., or you would know that so far there is no info about the former Yugoslav republic from which they came. They could be Orthodox Christians, for all we know now, you bigot.

#76 Killgore

A comment from your link to Kos:

So if someone were too plan a bank robbery

but never actually do it...they could still be arrested and charged with the crime of THOUGHT?

Wow...this is like Hitler DeJevu all over again.

How do these people figure out how to breathe?

You can tell these guys watch Michael Moore documentaries. Why are they always trying to buy machine guns?

Dumbasses, you can't buy machine guns over the counter without the appropriate license...

(Jihadist walks into Ed's Guns-n-Bait)

"Hello, please I am wanting to buy your deadliest full-automatic gun, one dozen magazines, and five thousand rounds of ammunition. I am using it for target practice and will pay cash."

"Why sure, Mr. swarthy Albanian who is sweating nervously. Hang on just one moment."

(dials ATF and FBI)

#58 Dave the...

Here is an article from Fox.

MOUNT LAUREL, N.J. —

At least five people were arrested on charges they plotted to attack the Fort Dix Army base and "kill as many soldiers as possible," federal authorities said Tuesday.

The suspects were scheduled to appear in U.S. District Court in Camden later Tuesday to face charges of conspiracy to kill U.S. servicemen, said Michael Drewniak, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey.

Five of them lived in Cherry Hill, about 10 miles east of Philadelphia and 20 miles southwest of Fort Dix, he said.

"They were planning an attack on Fort Dix in which they would kill as many soldiers as possible," Drewniak said.

The suspects were described as "Islamic radicals" by Greg Reinert, a spokesman for the United States Attorney's Office. A law enforcement source told FOX News that all of the suspects are recent converts and were not born Muslims.

The source told FOX News that there were between five and six arrests; the exact number is unclear.

The Associated Press reported that those captured were nationals of the former Yugoslavia, but the law enforcement source told FOX News that not all of them are of Albanian ethnicity. Federal sources also said the group is from the "Balkans."

"There are a number of immigrations issues that are being worked out," the sources said.

Law enforcement officials said the attack was stopped in the planning stages and that the men were arrested while trying to buy automatic weapons in a sale set up by law enforcement authorities.

"While the group's alleged actions are alarming, it may not have gone beyond the concept stage," a federal source told FOX News.

Authorities believe the men trained for the attack in the woods in the Poconos and allegedly conducted surveillance at other area military institutions, including the Army's Fort Monmouth, the official said. Federal sources told FOX News the alleged targets went beyond military installations "to other targets of opportunity in the area."

The official said the men had lived in the United States for some time and were arrested as part of a joint federal and local investigation.

State Police Capt. Al Della Fave said Tuesday that the investigation had been in the works for about a year. Much of the information obtained in the case came from cell-phone conversations and Internet chats. The case documents are still sealed.

The Star-Ledger of Newark reported on its Web site that the men had agreed to buy AK-47 assault rifles from an arms dealer who was secretly cooperating with the FBI. It cited a law enforcement person who spoke on condition of anonymity because the source was not authorized to speak about the arrests.

Jerri Williams, spokeswoman for the FBI in Philadelphia, said U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie of the U.S. Attorney's Office in Newark and J.P. Weis, special agent in charge of the FBI in Philadelphia, have scheduled a news conference for 2:30 p.m. at the U.S. District Courthouse in Camden.

Fort Dix is used to train soldiers, particularly reservists. It also housed refugees from Kosovo in 1999.

In 1999, Fort Dix sheltered more than 4,000 ethnic Albanian refugees during the NATO bombing campaign against Yugoslavia.

After the war, refugees were allowed to return to the U.N.-run province of Kosovo in the new nation of Serbia or to seek permanent residency and citizenship in the United States. The U.N. Security Council is considering whether to approve a plan to grant Kosovo independence from Serbia under the supervision of the European Union and the United States.

HT: Uptight
/

The description of the suspects as “Islamic militants” was causing renewed worry among New Jersey’s Muslim community. Hundreds of Muslim men from New Jersey were rounded up and detained by authorities in the months following the Sept. 11 attacks, but none was connected to that plot.

DIAL 1-800 WHAAAHABI

HuffPosters Dismiss Jersey Terror Bust

They question the timing, among other well wishes.

What's really worrisome is that these guys were caught because they were to stupid to copy their own DVD. What's gonna happen once jihadis figure out how to use a R/W drive on a computer and no longer need whitey to copy their terrorist training videos for them?

Brothers! We must train for our super secret covert hush-hush operation in the infidel Poconos. There we will practice our paint ball skills, and then later we will hold hands as we ride on horseback in the setting sun. Later we shall eat a furtive dinner away from the prying eyes of possible FBI agents in the banquet hall, while we surreptitiously listen to the comedian who tells mostly old jokes, and occasionally slips in a "blue" joke just to keep it lively. Allah Akbar! He has provided us with the finest champagne glass bathtube for our cleansing rituals, and a heart-shaped bed on which to rest. Just to allay suspicion from the kufr, we should probably spoon.
You can leave the goat home this time.

Oooh, CAIR will not be happy with any reporting of this. And you know Kos, Puffington et al will be wishing that at sometime these anti-military, pro-peace actions will succeed.

#94 jinxmedic

What makes New Jersey so popular? It must be the water...

There's a large sea of muslims for the jihadis to swim in, NJ is located between two major target-rich cities, there's many airports & seaports to come in & out of, plus the buffet at Caesar's Palace ain't too bad, either!

BTW, they were ILLEGAL aliens.

#105 cjstavern

Maybe Kos isn't saying much but the Huffington Post is blaming Bush.

Blaming Bush for the existence of the terrorists, or blaming Bush that the terrorists weren't allowed to succeed?

98 Ringo the Gringo
Great minds. ;^)
Those cobblestones are big and heavy. You could smash a door down with those, if you can lift 'em.

#77 Isadore

I avoid the term, "Islamist" and use "Islamic" or "Muslim" exclusively, because I'm of the opinion "Islamist" is just another in the long line of modifiers attempting to convey the idea that the jihadis are a tiny minority among the Muslims. I view this as false.

I question the timing.

CAIR will, of course, DEMAND an office on base.

Yugoslavian is not a nationality or an ethnicity. In fact they fought a war over it.

#38 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

N

o doubt. I never had the chance to get drunk in Ft. Dix. Ft. Knox, however, is a different story.

Rocker Inn?

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God bless the person who blew the whistle on these scumbags.

Ellen 5/08/2007 8:42:27 am PDT

One of these days, one of these cells will be successful in their mission I fear. I only hope whatever damage they do is minor.

We need to be thankful they didn't go after an Elementary School..

But I believe any sane or insane Islamsick knows if he did that,

all hell would break loose..

At least they were going after military targets, which was smart of them, and yes, courageous of them.

It would have been too easy for them to shoot up a high school or a tech school; they were smart enough to leave it to drugged-up middle class American kids.

I'm sorry, but when you use your military against others don't expect me to shed any tears for you.

By: PatrickWalker on May 08, 2007 at 11:22am

Heroes.

You can sort of understand why they did it. Everything was going swimmingly for them i nthe former Yugoslavia, where they where being massacred by the thousands and the big old bully USA had to stick its nose in and...save them.

I used to be really against Milosevic, but I realise that he actually had the right idea.

when the government says ‘Islamic militants,’ it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous.

No. See, in language when a description is used, here an adjective, it is often a qualifier to identify which subset of the noun is in question.

For example, the term Chinese restaurant does NOT send a message that restaurant and Chinese are synonymous, or that all restaurants are Chinese.

The fact that 5 to 10 acts of terrorism a day are done by Islam might have more to do with that message of synonymity. I'm just saying.

Has Rosie weighed in yet?

Why has nobody considered hiring a ghost writer for Cindy Sheehan? If she were a spokesman for my ideological camp, I would be embarassed everytime she opened her mouth, or put her chewed up finger nails to a keyboard. I mean...look at this crap.

I think Fort Dix is where my father was stationed in the Army back in late 50s.

The web’s premier “progressive” site is totally ignoring the story

Lefty sites NEVER talk about terrorism, Islamists or jihad unless they can use the subject to ridicule the Bush Administration...otherwise the subject does not exist.

The only war that the Left can fathom is the war against Republicans.

#67 Ben Hur

I hate to disagree, but IMO the headline would have been: "Fort Dix military police kill assailants".

KOStard: So, these guys allegedly had an intention to commit a terrorist act...

"Conspiracy to commit murder" was not a crime invented by the ebil Patriot Act.

/The more you know!

#36 lawhawk
From your link,

The tipster called the FBI on Jan. 31, 2006, and said that someone had brought a "disturbing" video to have duplicated.
[snip]
...later, the FBI said, the informant recorded a meeting with Shnewer in which he said the six were part of a "group that was planning to attack a U.S. military base."

"Shnewer explained that they could utilize six or seven jihadists to attack and kill at least one hundred soldiers by using rocket-propelled grenades," the FBI said.

Carolee Nisbet, a public information officer at Fort Dix, said: "I understand that they weren't just targeting Fort Dix, that it was a multiple-base plan to attack several bases in the Northeast." She declined to elaborate.

So it only took the FBI 15 months to arrest 6 guys whose jihadist activities were detailed on a video.

Like the song says, Is That All There Is?

“But when the government says ‘Islamic militants,’ it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous.
“Don’t equate actions with religion,”

Yeah, and don't say "islamic persons" either because you wouldn't want to equate islam with personhood

#76 Kilgore

Well, Jordan is not in the middle east.
At least not if you are edumacated in our fantastic left wing edumacatonal sistim.

This is an answer to a prayer that muslim terrorists would fail to accomplish acts of violence.

TFK and Photoshop Experts...

Here is the photo and photos that TFK was talking about...

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2022.html?th eme=light

Re: the NY Times article...

Think about this from the perspective of the historical record. About fifty years from now, some college kid will be doing research on Lexis-Nexis (or whatever the future equivalent will be), browsing through the New York Times archives, and there will be absolutely no context within which to place these incidents. No context whatsoever in the written historical record of the newspapers researchers turn to first for an allegedly accurate description of the past.

Can you imagine future historians trying to locate the Mohammed cartoons that provoked mass mayhem across the globe, and not being able to even locate them in newspaper microfiche? Or that the blog records preserved in archive.org will be one of the few ways to find them? I find it just mindblowing when you really think about what an impact this self-censorship will have on the future.

He who controls the past...

#146 abolitionist

So it only took the FBI 15 months to arrest 6 guys whose jihadist activities were detailed on a video.

They were probably watching them, monitoring their finanical transactions, etc. to get a broader picture of their network.

#95 ElKafir

I've been thinking about Milosevic a lot over the years since 9/11.

I swallowed whole the party line about him being a war criminal and genocidal maniac. But then, I pondered two things:

1) The enemies of his we're talking about were Muslims. Muslims, as we know from the Fauxtography Scandal of last summer most blatantly, but also from scores of other things, are not above lying and inventing demonizations of their enemies.

2) Ariel Sharon was painted as a war criminal and genocide maniac as well. By the same Muslim-sympathizing media.

I still need to add to my info on Milosevic, but one thing's for sure, I'm not taking anything from TreasonMedia without a good-sized chunk of salt.

#124 Pope In IV: I like yr style, Bud!
:D

#106 cbinflux and victory monkey

-I stand corrected, it's actually a new form of Jersey Devil that lives in the Pine Barrens and eats Halal pork...

#134 ISG(ret)

The evening began at the bowling alley on base, which my fellow cadets & I managed to flee just before the MPs came around to bust the underage drinkers like me. Then we went to some little dive nearby - it was over 10 years ago, so I don't remember the name of the joint.

#132 cbinflux

CAIR will, of course, DEMAND an office on base.

With the obligatory footbath, of course.

"Albania declares war on USA. Cites Bush Doctrine"...NYT Headline

Clinton also paved the way for massive immigration to this country from Bosnia. During the 1990s, 40,000 Bosnian Muslims moved to St. Louis. If only one percent are radicalized, that's still 400 potential problems. Yikes.

137 Ben Hur

At least they were going after military targets, which was smart of them, and yes, courageous of them.
It would have been too easy for them to shoot up a high school or a tech school; they were smart enough to leave it to drugged-up middle class American kids.

I'm sorry, but when you use your military against others don't expect me to shed any tears for you.

By: PatrickWalker on May 08, 2007 at 11:22am

Just imagine if that KOSling has been the clerk to get that DVD for copying.. it would have been a whole different turn of events.

Why did the US Military insist on putting an Army base right there in the middle of a neighborhood with a large muslim population?

Were they deliberately trying to provoke an incident so as to bolster Bush's "War on Terror", scaring Americans with overblown reports of terrorist threats so as to boost GWB's falling ratings?

Just watch for Malkin and Fox News and LittleGreenFootballs to starting screaming " the terris are coming! The terris are coming!"

What "professional militant" would take his terror training practice sessions to a video store to burn on a DVD? The more we think these guys are well-funded the more I think that they'd be more at home on an episode of "America's Dumbest Criminals."

Of course, the video store clerk ought to get the friggin' Congressional Medal of Honor. Seriously.

Just wait for the CAIR fools to try to sue the clerk for whatever charge they're trying to get the flying imamasboys John Does on. 5 to 10 for "tattling."

Yeah, how's that for logical thought?

Milosovic was shooting masses of Muslims in the head (man, woman and child) and putting them in large graves... America steps in a stops the ethnic cleansing... jihadis come to America to start mass murdering.

I read through the entire 20 page affidavit at the smokinggun website. A few points of interest were the length of time that the investigation went on, which was more than a year, how well the FBI pulled it off, ( things have changed ) and how deadly serious these guys were.
They trained and thought out their weapon choices, had maps etc.
They spoke about defending their religion and to show you the complete disconnect they have with reality, they mentioned that they thought they would get away safely. That belief might be for the weaker minded accomplices.

OT - very slightly:

A very good article from Fjordman (naturally) on how Hollywood will make the movie showing these 6 as heroic freedom fighters. Hollywoodistan v Real Life: Should We Fear Islam Or Islamophobia?

Casting George Clooney and Sean Penn, I'm sure.

This story should serve to peg the Mecca Meters of the Jihadi's in America. Perhaps Americans should spend at least as much time mosque watching as they do bird watching.The Muslim colonists in America are on the move now that Harry Reid has informed them of the victory their brethren have achieved in Iraq.

Yet more convergence between Islamists and the Left: The Weathermen also planned to bomb Fort Dix, during an officers' dance. Fortunately for the officers and their dates, the Weathermen bomb-makers accidentally blew themselves up in Greenwich Village before the plan could be carried out.

Ellen 5/08/2007 8:42:27 am PDT

One of these days, one of these cells will be successful in their mission I fear. I only hope whatever damage they do is minor.

We need to be thankful they didn't go after an Elementary School..

But I believe any sane or insane Islamsick knows if he did that,

all hell would break loose..

Well, it's not actually for want of trying. Only a few days ago they had a whole girls school in Iraq rigged up to murder hundreds of innocent girls. It's only thanks to the marines that they didnt succeed.

#140 Peacekeeper

Why yes, yes she has. I believe she said "Islamic terrorists? You can eat me!"

I'm quoting verbatum.

Carolee Nisbet, a public information officer at Fort Dix, said: "I understand that they weren't just targeting Fort Dix, that it was a multiple-base plan to attack several bases in the Northeast." She declined to elaborate.

I don't know anyone at Fort Dix, but I do know people at some other "bases in the Northeast." I hope the others get the message that this is big, and are also taking all applicable precautions; not just assuming this is a small Dix problem.

/Most terrorist actions are the result of small Dix, in my opinion.

Not for two seconds do I believe that they are unaffiliated with others in NJ and the Middle East.

On another note and OT, for you eastern lizards, Victor Davis Hanson will be in Philadelphia on the 14th to discuss Iraq.

151 tfc3rid

TFK and Photoshop Experts...

I love stuff like that! Where was it taken?

La Mauvaise New Yorkaise

That's why serious historians don't rely on media reports.

The FBI might be too busy going to CAIR's Political Corrections Seminars...

#146 abolitionnist

So it only took the FBI 15 months to arrest 6 guys whose jihadist activities were detailed on a video.

My understanding from news reports earlier this morning was that upon receiving this video, the FBI placed a mole within the organization, and awaited the delivery of weapons to the group so as to be able to charge them with conspiracy to commit murder. In other words, waiting for the strongest possible case.

#144 Buck:

"Ft Dix Humiliates Now-Dead Attackers!"

That's more like it!

"Raw American Recruits Beat the Snot Out of Wannabee Thugs"

"Recruit Pukes Whaled the Tar Out of Islamic Attackers!" says Coroner.

#172 Spartan Woman

Nice! You got a link with info? I would love to see him speak!

from the article:

“If these people did something, then they deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law,” said Sohail Mohammed, a lawyer who represented scores of detainees after the 2001 attacks. “But when the government says ‘Islamic militants,’ it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous."

ok, we'll call them Amish militants... how's that sound?

Here is the photo and photos that TFK was talking about...

Fake. Not picking up enough ground reflection. Interesting, though.

Reza was offended

#149, I had always heard stories like that but wondered if they were really true-scary that they are.

Over at the Huff Po they're are some saying it would have been okay to kill as many Soldiers as possible because, well they're the real enemy anyway. What a twisted world we live in.

It will be interesting to see how many of the Big Three will report the fact that they're Muslim tonight.

I live in Hawaii and am heading up to Schofield later this morning (well 8:00 a.m. my time). Should be interesting to see if they're actually checking id's throughly. Some gates they do, others they don't and it wouldn't take an idiot long to figure out the ones that don't.

New Jersey?

And just this Sunday Tony Soprano told the two Italian Homeland Security agents about those two Arab smugglers!

Coincidence? I don't think so.

pizza?

#172 Spartan Woman

I think the only thing that is relevant is that they are affiliated with Islam & Allah Inc.

#139

In fact, the terms "international terrorism" and "radical Islam" (or "Islamism", etc) are for practical purposes synonymous.

You simply can't mention one without implying the other, and sticking your head in the sand and pretending this isn't so is simply intelletually dishonest.

Of course not every Muslim is a terrorist (the overwhelming majority aren't), and not every terrorist is a Muslim, but speaking globally the majority of terrorist attacks are committed by Islamists.

If "moderate" Muslims are worried that their religion is being stereotyped, they would certainly do better to change the stereotype by leading by example, rather than complaining about it.

Why don't you SHOW me that Islam is a "religion of peace" instead of TELLING me that it is?

#171 James T: there you go again...

"Muslims thug wannabees exhibit small Dix problems..."

That's humiliating to those wannabees, dontcha know?

They followed them since one tried to have a jihadi video copied at a photo store.

CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATED!

...In a nutshell, in the 1990s al-Qa'eda became the armed wing of Western liberal opinion. The mujahedin may have been set up, supported and armed to the hilt by the right in the 1980s, but they fought alongside the Left in the early to mid-1990s. This was the period of the mujahedin's second outing, when hundreds of them moved from Afghanistan following the final withdrawal of Soviet forces in 1992 to Bosnia, to fight alongside the Bosnian Muslims in a holy war against the Serbs. They moved there under the approving eye of the Clinton administration and were armed and trained by Clinton's allies in the region, the Army of Bosnia Herzegovina (ABiH). Some of the mujahedin, especially those from Europe, including from Britain, were inspired to fight in Bosnia after watching or reading news reports in the Western media - especially the liberal media - which presented the civil war in Bosnia as a simplistic battle between good (the Muslims) and evil (the Serbs).

Though underdiscussed, the mujahedin's movement to Bosnia had a transformative effect on the holy warriors and was key to the development of al-Qa'eda. In moving to Bosnia, Islamic fighters were transported from the ghettos of Afghanistan into Europe, from being yesterday's men in a has-been Cold War clash to fighting alongside the West's favoured side in the Balkans. As Evan Kohlmann argues in his Al-Qa'eda's Jihad in Europe: The Afghan-Bosnian Network, by 1995 Bosnia had become a 'strategic foothold for Osama bin Laden and his fanatical allies to infiltrate Europe and the Western world'. Indeed, virtually every major al-Qa'eda attack of recent years has links back to Bosnia. ...

The left brought terror to our door

Right next to where I work out, there is a Yugo/ Bosnian meat market that kind of freaks me out. Guys in track suits (Always, why?) smoking filterless cigs and drinking espresso outside in all weather. They strike me as plotting. Does anyone know of a good way to tell if they're Muslim or not? I know many escaped the Muslims from that region also.

#176 mama winger

And finding out as much as they could about any others connected to them...

This from the CBC in Canada

No mention of muslims or islamists. The men are described as "foreign nationals". On CBC radio, the men are described as Albanian and Yugoslavian.

Interestingly, in the National Post today there is an editorial
which may be of interest. Canadians are "more afraid of 'racism' than terrorism".

On Topic
Terrorists Among Us
Arabic-speaking Jihadis Online (US and EU under-reported)
[Link: internet-haganah.com...]

I can't get it to copy to a link, but here is the info for the VDH lecture/event. I found out about it via the RJC

[Link: www.wynnewood.org...]

[I] do hope the Media stresses the Yugoslavian and Albanian descent and the fact it didn’t come from what we consider the Middle-East. - DailyKos

And, the distinction matters how?

176 mama winger
Exactly. They need time to fully monitor, track these guys down and get the warrants and subpeonas ready. It doesn't happen overnight.

Everyone criticizes the FBI, but in my dealings with them they were completely professional.

#184 Aylios

My thoughts exactly.

Children being raised on Farfur (the suicide-terrorist Mickey Mouse clone) should be taken to be raised on the real Mickey Mouse.

171 JamesTKirk

Lakehurst Naval Base was said to be an easier target for machine-guns.

#197 NoSub

I didn't mean to seem overly critical with my link. I'm more angry that FBI, or any other kind of law enforcement agents would have to spend valuable time at CAIR-based indoctrination sessions.

Here's a sample of what the Kossadsacks think of this whole thing...

#

*
I read the story this morning (0 / 0)

and just laughed.

and laughed and laughed...

And I can't even tell you why.

"Republicans tell you that government doesn't work. Then they get elected, and they prove it" - (Future Senator) Al Franken

by AlyoshaKaramazov on Tue May 08, 2007 at 07:49:35 AM PDT

[ Parent ]

#
So if someone were too plan a bank robbery (3+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
sclminc, Spoc42, sundancekid11

but never actually do it...they could still be arrested and charged with the crime of THOUGHT?
Wow...this is like Hitler DeJevu all over again.

Militia General Pajamahadeen Ohio Southwest Chapter...we sale Girl Scout Cookies also

by JellyPuddin on Tue May 08, 2007 at 04:33:32 AM PDT

Base security is not always what it should be.

I heard a pretty reliable story about a certain East Coast military base (which will remain nameless). Apparently the local cops were chasing a car full of bad guys, following an armed robbery. The entire car chase blew right past the entry checkpoint for this base, proceeded on through, and exited through another checkpoint on the other side. IMHO, the bad guys' car should have been turned into smoking scrap metal within seconds of violating the perimeter.

#130 ZionistYoungster, #77 Isadore

The more I delve into this subject, the more I understand that there is a difference between an Islamist and a Muslim. Islamists are Muslims, but not all Muslims are Islamists. Our beef is with the followers of Islamism — a revivalist movement, characterized by moral conservatism, literalism, and the attempt to implement Islamic values in all spheres of life. The Islamizers are our enemy, not every Muslim on earth.

#134 ISG(ret)

OT:

My granddaughter is in recovery, and the surgery was an hour shorter than anticipated. My daughter in law said that all went well!

She is a basket case, and said my son is in Recovery with the little one, as she can't bear seeing her hooked up to so much machinery...reminds her of when this brave kid was born. My husband is in a no-phone area.

But the surgery is done!

#157 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Probably the Rocker II, Rocker Inn burned down some 13 years ago, man the good times had there.

Went to basic in Fort Dix, one of the coldest winters I've ever seen. Ten weeks there was enough for me. Couldn't wait to get back south. I'm afraid if these guys got thru the gate, they for sure could've caused some big damage. If it's like most Military Post/Bases the gates are guarded by Civilians. Not that that is bad, I just feel the training may not be up to par with the MPs.

Top

Damn.
I was reading the affidavit and my brother was there while they were planning this.

Cleanup in #184.

Think there is a journalist out there bright enough or brave enough to ask Obama what the roots and motivations are of terrorism as it exists today? Or, "Senator Obama, does your history and affiliation with Islam in any way color, impair, embolden or dampen your inclinations towards fighting an Islam inspired wave of terrorism as it exists today?"

Don't count on it.

#198 ZionistYoungster

#184 appears to be advocating flat-out genocide.

You agree exactly with that?

33 Dirk Diggler

Unlike Virginia Tech, Fort Dix is not a "Gun Free Zone". I don't think these guys would have accomplished much.

Dirk, I took basic training there. There may be lots of guns but no bullets. When I went on guard duty the Sargent of the Guard gave me one bullet and suggested if I fired it that I use it in myself because it would be less painful than filling out the paperwork if I fired my weapon.

6 guys with automatic weapons would be an absolute disaster.

#195 Spartan Woman

Thanks!

#151 tfc3rid: those are Japanese script markings on the bottom of the craft.

Looks weird, but it ain't from outer space.

#113

itellu3times  5/08/2007 8:42:17 am PDT

I think "wog" is more concise.

I think that is, what they call, "racist."

#130

ZionistYoungster  5/08/2007 8:45:06 am PDT

I avoid the term, "Islamist" and use "Islamic" or "Muslim" exclusively, because I'm of the opinion "Islamist" is just another in the long line of modifiers attempting to convey the idea that the jihadis are a tiny minority among the Muslims. I view this as false.

I tend to agree with you. As a Jew, I have no problem coping with the concept of "Jewish terrorism" i.e. I would have no problem labeling Kahanist-style religous nutjob terrorists as "Jewish terrorists" (I personally can only think of two actual individuals who worked within such a framework).

In the same way the nutcases who blow up abortion clinics and such are clearly Christian terrorists.

#187 looking closely

Read it again. I was saying that it is not the grammar that associates Islam and militancy, but their actions.

No Sub...

Not sure... Had a few Ufologists last night on Coast to Coast and they assumed these were photoshopped because it was unlike any reported craft they had seen before...

#191 Spenser: Do they sell pork products? If so, they're not Muslim.

#164 Yank in EU

Maybe you care to explain why even with all those executions of "man women and child" no mass graves were ever found in Bosnia or Kosovo.
The media wasn't able to find any; the UN wasn't able to find any; the only mass executions victims they dug up were identified as Serbian Christians. But you won't read about that in the media.

Durka, durka, durka.

/oops, I guess it's Duka, Duka, Duka

207 JD
My brother had just left the Beirut barracks. He usually stayed overnight, but that day he went back to the ship.

The "Albania is not the Middle East" canard is a nice touch. Albania only came into existence because the Western powers were trying to retain some remnant of the Ottoman Empire in Europe, if only to deny the Serbs (and hence the Russians) any seaports. It only became a country after 1912. Under Turkish rule, the majority of the population converted to Islam. True, under Communism the vast majority were atheists, but there is no question that the Islamists were able to make substantial inroads after the collapse of Communism.

Maybe I am saying it again, but the kids over at Kos are too stupid to know that Albanians are Moslems. Yugoslavian Albanians: Moslems. The Turk: Moslem. KOs= Idiots>

[...] i do hope the Media stresses the Yugoslavian and Albanian descent and the fact it didn’t come from what we consider the Middle-East. [Daily Kos]

I think that's actually (even a stopped clock is right twice a day) a good idea. Because:

1) Might the fact that those terrorists are of Yugoslavian and Albanian descent not suggest that it has to do with something far more global than the Middle East, with its pretext of "oil", "Western colonialism" and "support for Israel"?

2) And following from that, could it really be that the solution to the threat of worldwide terrorism does not rest in "solving the Israel/'Palestine' conflict"?

Only thing is, KozKidz very seldom follow the right thoughts to their logical conclusions...

184 is getting harder to CLEAN-UP...

It's very easy to get into Fort Dix. After 9/11 they put up baricades at the main entrance, but I think those have now been removed. Only thing stopping you are guard gates places well within the base.

If they had advance knowledge of the assault they should have let it proceed and wiped them out. They could have set up a nice ambush with minimal risk.

Would have been good training and saved a lot of money.

Albania ≠ RoP

Everyone got that?!

#206 ISG(ret)

Maybe it was The Rocker - I did my basic in Ft. Knox in 1994 & the joint I was in didn't look like it had been recently constructed.

#191 Spenser

Good way to tell if they are Muslims? - if they are plotting as you suspect, probably not. They would be trying to appear to be as non-muslim and non-observant as possible.

I can say it did seem like the Serbs tended to wear track suits a lot. Just their style I guess. Also reminds me of the track-suited Serbian sniper that was going after Owen Wilson in "Behind Enemy Lines".

200 WriterMom

I didn't mean to seem overly critical with my link. I'm more angry that FBI, or any other kind of law enforcement agents would have to spend valuable time at CAIR-based indoctrination sessions.

I didn't think you were being overly critical. From what I know of FBI agents, its not like they are licking CAIR's boots. They are not dumb or naive.

#220 cbinflux
That is unreal!

What a horrible day that was. Thank heaven your brother was spared.

They talk in the affidavit about attacking at the Army/Navy game.

Dopple

Excellent! Look to the pork, young man! I'll go check.

191 Spenser
Does anyone know of a good way to tell if they're Muslim or not?

Walk in. Buy something. Strike up conversation. Come back. Buy something again. Ask them "are you muslim"? Then let the conversation flow from there.

This ain't difficult.

#211 crystaloptical

That is how I'm viewing the situation; disaster averted. Military tribunals for the six islamic terrorists.

#218 ElKafir

Well, a large number of sources, mainly MSM, have claimed the mass graves are a fact. I have never seen this claim disproven. The European countries who presented the evidence claim he was guilty of genocide and that he filled up mass graves of women and childen, many with execution-type wounds . They have eyewitnesses from blue-helmets who were at Srebrenica.

Claims like this:
[Link: www.columbia.edu...]

These aren't my first choice of sources, but I have never seen the claim disproven or seriously attacked by legitimate sources.

#209 headlesschickens

Think there is a journalist out there bright enough or brave enough to ask Obama what the roots and motivations are of terrorism as it exists today? Or, "Senator Obama, does your history and affiliation with Islam in any way color, impair, embolden or dampen your inclinations towards fighting an Islam inspired wave of terrorism as it exists today?"

Don't count on it.

The use of thw word "color" to Obama would be "proof" of the journalist's racism; Obama would justifiably refuse to answer the question and the journalist would never work in the MSM again.

I'd be willing to bet they were planning on using semi-automatic weapons, rather than "automatic", as the article states.

This choice of wording must have been very difficult for the MSM. Routinely, they misuse the term "automatic" to demonize the weapon and make it sound more dangerous, but in this instance, by so doing, they also make the terrorists sound more dangerous. Tough call.

222 coquimbojoe
KOS is too stupid to realize that islamic terrorists also come from Indonesia, the Phillipines, Thailand, South America, Canada, the UK, France, Germany...

And, cleanup in #113.

it sends a message to the public that Islam and militancy are synonymous.

Uhhh...Beavis, he said sinonoumous, heh, heh, heh, heh, heh.

#210 Yank in the EU

#184 appears to be advocating flat-out genocide.

No. I thought his remark was in the context of combat, in which case I was thinking of the useless UN-written "Rules of Engagement".

Since it's about civilians in peacetime, I take it back. I advocate expulsion but not genocide.

Apologies to all.

#203

Kreuzueber Halbmond  5/08/2007 9:08:02 am PDT

The more I delve into this subject, the more I understand that there is a difference between an Islamist and a Muslim. Islamists are Muslims, but not all Muslims are Islamists.

*BUT* a significant proportion of Muslims who are not necessarily "Islamists" per se are sympathetic with Islamist causes and associated acts of terrorism committed in their name.

*AND* "Islamist terrorism" is different from ?"Christianist terrorism" or ?"Judaic terrorism" because it is necessarily shaped by Islam (and not Christianity and Judaism).

Is every Muslim terrorist commiting an act of violence to further the return of the caliphate or establish sharia? I doubt it.

The link to the complaint from CNN [Link: news.findlaw.com...]

Nah, these guys are not terrorists, the video that they had the guy try and copy just shows them shooting assault weapons and screaming and screaming "Allah Akbar". Sounds peaceful to me.

Isn't Pepperoni Pizza, Italian Sausage or Canadian Bacon haraam? Or is it haraam only when Muslims say it is? it is all so confusing./

Cnanneling Target

PIMF #242:

No, I don't agree with that (with #184 exact sentiment).

Every high school student in America should be required to take, and pass, a basic logic class. Lesson one, day one:

"Almost all terrorists are Muslim" does not mean the same thing as "Almost all Muslims are terrorists" - Discuss.

#214 Isadore

In the same way the nutcases who blow up abortion clinics and such are clearly Christian terrorists.

Please rethink that comment. Thank you.

#242 Zionist

Phew... thanks.

The men were planning to use automatic weapons to shoot soldiers at the Army post, according to a federal law enforcement source and a senior government source.

So what is CNN calling an automatic weapon?

Does CNN know what an automatic weapon is?

Did these guys have a class III permit?

Where did these guys get automatic weapons? Certainly not at a gun store.

Or does CNN mean semi-automatic weapons?
Not that they give a shit if they get anything right, and they usually don't.

240 or
Clean-up 113

That slur is a broader brush, at least in Oz.

#183 AW

New Jersey?

And just this Sunday Tony Soprano told the two Italian Homeland Security agents about those two Arab smugglers!

Coincidence? I don't think so.

I tell you, one reason there have bene no terrorist attacks int his country since 9/11 may have to do with the police state that would result. Police states are bad for Mafia "business."

If anyone's protecting this country from attack, it's not the wimps and appeasers in gubbmint, it's the Don Corleones.

I think #113 should be "cleaned up" (unless terms on par with n*****, kike etc. are now acceptable).

#243 Isadore - No not all of them are, but the ones that are not are trying to promote the cause of their local power hungry psychopath; Assad or whomever. I suggest a read of "The Closed Circle" [Link: www.amazon.com...]

maddogg
The weapons were going to be supplied by a guy in Baltimore.

I tend to agree with you. As a Jew, I have no problem coping with the concept of "Jewish terrorism" i.e. I would have no problem labeling Kahanist-style religous nutjob terrorists as "Jewish terrorists"

As a Jew, could you site Kahanist "style" terrorist attacks?

Pre empt. Goldstein wasn't a Kahanist. But sudden "I've seen my neighbors being slaughtered daily and I'm surgeon taking care of horribly injured victims of terror" syndrome. And a nut. And a terrorist.

# 223 Zionist Youngster

Obviously the issue with Islam goes much deeper than the the twentieth century. It is rooted in their concept of self and their political history. The religion is deeply rooted in the concept of universal empire; in that regard Muslims are as much heirs of Alexander the Great and Byzantium as any of the western powers -- maybe more. (good study of the problem -- Garth Fowden, From Empire to Commonwealth) There are those in the Balkans who have never gotten over the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, just like there are those who have never forgotten the old Caliphate.

Re: your earlier comment, I understand your opposition to the term "Islamist," but I would suggest it does have a certain utility in that the ideology is not solely based on Islam, but incorporates other modern Totalitarian ideas as well.

#215 Silhouette

I agree with you entirely, I was just amplifying your point.

Not only is it not merely the sentence contruction that links the words "Islamic" and "Terrorism", but the horse is out of the barn here. Its going to take a little bit more than re-parsing sentences to break that association.

Lawyer Mohammed who said not to equate actions with religion is being disingenuous, since Islamic law unequivocally commands adherents to make war against non-believers.

If religion and terrorist action are unlinked, then why do terrorists yell "Allahu akbar" when they kill people?

#236 Yank in the EU

Read the truth about the Sebrenica massacre hoax: [Link: www.wnd.com...]

[Link: www.globalresearch.ca...]

#248 Annelid

As for the local Army base here, civilians and contractors have to get a daily pass. Meaning you have to goto a building (staffed by armed MP's) and show ID,which is ran in a database and if everything is clear...then you get a pass.

Going into the Pentagon post-9/11 is a real pain.

Well, there is a thread on this story at HuffPo, with the usual quality of think on exhibit. Here are a few examples:

First, paranoia:

Sounds like pure Bull$hit Pentagon propaganda to me. Why would any terriorist go to all the trouble to attack US troops at Fort Dix, New Jersey when they can kill all the US Troops they want in Iraq, today, even as we speak? Very, very suspicious.

Sounds like a feeble attempt by the Bu$h administration to recreate the 911 hysteria all over again.

(The six were arrested trying to buy automatic weapons in a sale set-up by law enforcement authorities, the official said.)

In Iraq, automatic weapons are for sale all over the place and no one gives a crap. In the US obtaining automatic weapons is hard to do.
By: CaptEdwardGraham on May 08, 2007 at 09:48am

and:

Six people were going to attack an Army base? Right, uh-huh. Seems odd that this "plot" is exposed a day after the announcement of Bush's lowest approval ratings per the Newsweek poll. Also, why didn't the arrest announcement come from Homeland Security instead of from U.S. Justice? Trying to take some heat from Gonzales the week he goes before the House of Representatives? How transparent this administration is getting. Of course, the MSM is falling all over it, with no one questioning it. Pathetic.
By: mich929 on May 08, 2007 at 09:59am

This genius who hits most of the left wing buttons all on the same post, wrapping it up with the usual call for impeachment:

I guess they didn't get the message that the surge in Iraq was supposed to keep them "over there"...Now we find out that the folks in Kansas are hard-pressed to protect and assist their citizens because their National Guard troops and equipment are bogged down in Iraq. It is time to get Bush and Cheney impeached so that we can get on with fixing the chaotic mess they have created.
By: bikerdude on May 08, 2007 at 10:09am

and:

When it's all over, you'll discover that it was some undercover government spy who cooked up the plot, convinced some dopes to go along, and then had them arrested.

Remember the great terrorist plot by some guys in Miami (I believe Haitians) to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago. Maureen Dowd had a great line. She said these guys couldn't find their local Sears, much less the Sears Tower.
By: liberalveteran on May 08, 2007 at 10:21am

and this piece of US hating vile trash:

The bad guys are the people that attack a country that never was a threat and kill, abuse and maim their population.

The bad guys are Nazi trash who think they have some fucking divine mandate to rule the world and then wail like babies when they are attacked and a lousy 3000 people are killed.

The bad guys are so STUPID that they don't realize the whole world is fast becoming fed up with their FAT ass dipshit mentality.
By: Republi****AsswipeCoward on May 08, 2007 at 10:54am

Just another example of what the left has become today.

Forkum?

Really?

Aren't you on vacation?

Nothing at all on the front page of Daily Kos, but a “diary” worries that the media might connect the plot to militant Islam

Connected to militant islam? No WAY!

Fooking idiots.

Hat tip: JHS

Group breaks ground for Cherry Hill mosque.

/Just the perfect location in regard to Fort Fix and McGuire AFB/..

A groundbreaking ceremony for this township's first mosque turned into a celebration of diversity and tolerance Sunday as leaders of other faiths welcomed the construction and members of the congregation expressed their thanks for community support.

"This is a very lucky mosque," said Quresh Dahodwala, a leader of the local branch of an Indian-based Islamic sect called Dawoodi Bohra. "All mosques are special, but this one is a little bit more so because it has received so much love and support."

Cherry Hill Mayor Bernie Platt and state Sen. John Adler, D-Cherry Hill, took the first two ceremonial shovelfuls from the site, a heavily wooded tract off Perina Boulevard.

Construction of the $1.5 million mosque will begin for real once the state Department of Environmental Protection issues the final permit needed, Dahodwala said.

The site needs a DEP permit because it includes wetlands.

The project received a variance from Cherry Hill in 2005 and approval from both Cherry Hill and Camden County in 2006, Dahodwala said.

"I'm deeply honored to be here," Platt said, "particularly since I'm of the Jewish faith. We have many religions here . . . now, thank God, we're going to have a mosque."

Farhat Biviji, a member of the congregation, praised Cherry Hill as a "model of diversity," noting that in addition to many churches and synagogues it hosts houses of worship for Hindus and Buddhists "and soon, God willing, a Muslim mosque."

Calling Cherry Hill a "town of faith and tolerance," Adler said "what all people want is peace. We're in a place of peace right now."

Now some 60 strong, the congregation expects to expand, Dahodwala said.

"Once you build a mosque, it will grow fast," he said.

The goal is to finish construction next year.

"A house of worship, be it church or synagogue or mosque, is the center of a community, a place of sharing and caring," said Aamilsaheb Janab Taher Bhaisaheb, the spiritual leader of the local congregation.

The mosque, he promised, "will be a compassionate and much-treasured addition to Cherry Hill."

"This house of God will be a sign that all honor, glory and praise go to God," said the Rev. Joseph Wallace, pastor of Christ the King Catholic Church in Haddonfield, who said regardless of our particular faith, "we all share mystically" in belief in one God.

Baltimore, Baltimore... Where have I heard about potential terror ties in Baltimore before...

Some pizza joint right? In Baltimore? The kids who came into the country and were 'lost' from JFK Airport?

Connect any dots?

252 maddogg

From the AP story:

The six were scheduled to appear in U.S. District Court in Camden later Tuesday to face charges of conspiracy to kill U.S. servicemen, said Michael Drewniak, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey. They were arrested Monday trying to buy automatic weapons from an FBI informant.

NPR sez that from behind the bushes Cheney was leading the charge on the fort, screaming, "Fearmonger 'em Mo's! FOUR MORE YEARS!"

Updated AP story

Were the "six" wearing uniforms? If not, they should be executed, and quickly, like the German spies landed by submarine on the east coast of the USA at the start of WW2.

#242 Zionist

In all honesty, I advocate expelling anyone who violates the rule of law and supports jihad in this country, at this time of war with radical Islam.

I cannot see any justification for sending people out of this country, who, say, have been good citizens for decades and who happen to be Muslim. This, I say, would be ethnic cleansing, but not to the same degree of actual mass murder. It becomes a strange issue and disturbing, further, as to how to determine people's degree of thought-criminality by simply being a Muslim, if they are such in name only or do respect American democracy and rights. What about the truly moderate groups, such as Pipes often names and works with?

Of course, the most obvious problem with banning Islam is the expressed right to religious freedom contained in our First Amendment. We would have to create a new amendment to change one of the key principles of this country. I've had this discussion a few times here, so in short I just can't see that as a possibility. Better to try to fight the jihad from within the rule of law as we now have it. We just have to enforce the current laws and kick those who advocate jihad out or imprison them.

#251 Yank in the EU

Yeah, I say that too. Phew...

This is a very blurry subject, because the Islamic enemy does not maintain the distinction between civilians and combatants. Hiding civilians in military targets in order to reap the propaganda benefits is one of their favored tactics. The UN Rules of Engagement do not even begin to address this problem, because they are oblivious to its very existence.

All I can say is I flat-out reject the idea of purposely lining up people, no matter what religion or race, for killing them. Civilians killed because they were put in the front line by the combatants--G-d have mercy on the combatants; but civilians killed because we purposely targeted them--G-d have mercy on us. The idea of ridding the world of Islamic terrorists by killing all the Muslims is of the same order as treating a toothache by cutting off the head. I fully condemn it.

#257 JD
Thanks JD, looks like there is a trail to follow.

ratherdashing

Super Marios just lost some customers...

/Wonder what 'extras' they've been putting on the pizza?!

#252 maddogg It is perfectly legal for me to buy a fully automatic firearm in Mass (if I have the proper license for it) from my local firearms dealer. A license for a fully automatic firearm requires clearance from the local chief of police in the town in which you live. Given the proper paperwork and background checks, yes, I could walk into "Law Enforcement" and purchase the firearm. I have handled (but did not fire) an Uzi in that store that was being transshipped for repair. The local shooting club in Hudson, MA has a fully automatic range if you care to go through a lot of money in a hurry.

However, most people do not know the difference between a semi-automatic and an automatic firearm. Its all SLF (scary looking firearm) to them.