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Mention Ron Paul anywhere online, and his followers flock to it. Look at any Digg topic on Paul. Anyone hanging out with Alex Jones should be checked for mental instability.
Honestly, I've never heard of him before either and I guess now I know why. He's really out there so I guess him & "the truthers" are cut from the same cloth.
As this Ron Paul debate continues, my eyes are more and more drawn to the lovelies in the t-shirts in the side bar.
Are we not agreed that he's flat wrong on the issue of terrorism, that isolationism is not an option? And I wouldn't put too much stock in his appeal to the Founding Fathers. The Fathers, while they may have wanted to avoid unnecessary alliances which were prejudicial to the nation's interests (which is what I think Washington meant), they were not above intervention - let us not forget the Barbary Pirates, the Quasi-War, interdiction of the slave trade, or how we got Florida.
Judging by their reactions to criticisms of Ron Paul, we seem to have invaded their sanctuary and started pointing out what loons the Ron Paulers really are. "We need more isolationism from reality!"
It does sound as if a "We got mail" thread might be appropriate, assuming any of it is worthy. Let's face it, folks - most of it probably isn't worth publishing. But if it comes in volume, there might just be that rare gem...
OK, I'll sign the oral petition...share the hate mail!
BTW...has anyone found any polls that show the level of support the cult leader has? RealClear Politics doesn't list him in the polls. I guess that probably answers my question.
Maybe there is a poll they don't want you to see...you know, the one that shows the "massive support" for Ron Paul.
Hey, if the lunatic leftist kooks want Ron Paul, they should get the Daily Kos to endorse him for a third party candidate.
If Ron Paul were to run as a third party candidate, whom the lunatic leftists obviously love, and it is Ron Paul(I) vs Hillary(lk) or Obama(lk), even I could win as the Republican nominee.
Having said that, I also wish existentialism made some sense to me too.
I guess I will have to create my own code of values in order to understand either that, or Ron Paul.
It was pointed out by the Objectivists (from which the acid dropping Libertarians are derived) that the Libertarians have a special hatred for Israel and want it destroyed.
From the Liveleak link:
"either the american government killed 3,000 of it's own citizens, or we deserved having 3,000 of our citizens killed, make up your mind mr paul!"
I have been saying that for years about people like him- either Bush is an idiot, or he is an evil genius, you can't have em both. That one is usually met with about 30 seconds of dead air, followed by "but... but... Rove... Cheny..."
Another one is- either the government is your friend and parent, or they are a faceless organization bent on world domination. You can't have both. Oddly I get the same response as the Bush comment.
Charles, seriously, do they (the hate mailers) seem like authentic constitutionalist - libertarian leaners? Or more like 9-11 Truther - Democrat hacks just trying to bug you?
If you start digging around Prisonplanet and Alex Jones you will see neo nazis popping up around them, and muslims and socialists.
And you wonder why you get hatemail? :)
The name Ted Pike could be familiar for some of you among many others.
Heretic Texe Marrs could be another partly famous person that you know of from the Alex Jones crowd.
I didn't catch if the Ron Paulers' have a comment about existentialism, but for Camus and Sartre the essence of life seems to be absurdity, which really nails Ron Paul. I guess it works out, lol.
Paul comments that the CIA assesment says that US involvement in the Middle East causes Islamists to get all nasty and go 'BANG'. That is true. For once the CIA analysts actually got something correct. But to then say that if the US isolates itslef as Paul seems to advocate... then everything in the garden will be rosy and the terrorists will no longer target the US. Here Paul drops the ball BIG TIME.
How many times must it be said. Islamists hate the West for WNAT IT IS and what it represents. THEY WANT TO KILL IS BECAUSE WE ARE INFIDELS... how much simpler do you want to spell it out? Paul has a terminal case of self induced 'real politik' myopia.
The last thing the US needs is to withdraw behind its borders. That way leave the power vacuum that the Jihadists will fill immediately. Sure there may be a few less US casualties initially but when the hoard is at the gate and the rest of the world is under the Muslim heel... it's a wee bit late to find one's cajolies Ron.
#4 Mike C.
I find the rabid Ron Paul crowd fascinating. I just looked at the recent referrers page again and most of the incoming traffic is about Ron Paul. It's been like that all day.
I tend to have rather strict constitutionalist tendencies myself. But I tell you here and now, I have a better chance of being the next POTUS than Paul does. At least I haven't gone on TV and made a complete ass of myself. Yet.
Saddam was not manufacturing his own stuff...not then. He got the vast majority of it from a UAE firm located in Singapore, Netherlands, Egypt, India, and West Germany. Only the wierdo left continue to claim the USA were the sole supplier of weapons to Hussein. We armed them during their fight with Iraq, as did other countries, most notably the French. But then again, the wierdo left (and their allies in the racist right) hates this country. They just won't leave because they know they have it good here.
Charles, how's about a poll where we can vote for who Ron Paul'd VP should be? I am thinking Rosie O'Donnell, maybe Michael Moore, or Sean Penn?
I wouldn't pin too much blame on the Ron Paul crowd, it's likely leftists spamming on behalf of him. They're pretty good and well organized about it. Paul's prbbably a leftist plant to begin with.
the Libertarians have a special hatred for Israel and want it destroyed.
?
Elaborate
Basically, most Libertarians buy into the notion that the Palestinians are the rightful owners of Palestine and that the Zionists are evil violent aggressors.
This allows them to pretend to be morally superior.
#71 PrimePowerPro
He haven't had many music threads lately but sometimes Charles streams a few songs for us. The Patty Griffin that he has on now is pretty damn good.
There is a certain impression of being in an alternate, surreal universe when a presidential candidate is giving what seems to be an undergrad-level presentation about how when you 'insert a force into the world, it generates its own forces, which is finally brought back against the original country.'. There may be a naivete or good intention of some sort there, but it is demented one.
Thanks -- the second link gets to the point (I always have a hard time following Ilana Mercer for some reason). Clash between irrational idealism and reality. Plus, I suspect, a big dose of "wouldn't it be better if it all just ... blew away?"
# 87 The Other Les
So, given that fact that early Zionist settlers actually bought the land they lived on, Libertarians don't believe in property rights? The argument makes no sense (of course, why am I expecting it to ...)
And that's why Boortz has really parted ways with the Libertarians. He's taken a lot of grief from them for his position on the Iraq war and support for Israel. I know a number of Libertarians who refuse to claim him as one of their number any more.
I would be rejected by the Libertarians today because I do believe that a declaration of intent to inflict harm on someone is sufficient grounds to strike first.
Whereas a strict Libertarian would ignore the declaration of intent and morally condemn the premptive strike to protect myself or others.
From what I have observed whem I was an active member, I think that Libertarians (myself included at the time) have a psychological need to feel that they are the good guys, and that they need acknowledgement from others that they are the good guys.
As I read a lot of Objectivism, I also read a bit of Libertarianism. 'Reason' Magazine used to have someone named Steven Birmingham as manager of their brickbrats section and he used to blast Israel regularly. 'Reason' Magazine started playing down these crazies when an Objectivist named Peter Schwartz blasted Libertarianiam in his famous pamphlet, 'Libertarianism, a perversion of Liberty.' He quoted Libertarian publications during the 80s Lebanon war, describing Israel as a Nazi regime and praising those pretend people, the Palestinians as the "obvious choice for property rights and justice for the Palestinian people" (I'm quoting from memory, but that is the gist of it). It's still so bad that a Libertarian I don't like, Illana Mercer, published some articles pointing out that Libertarians loathe Israel. Neal Boortz is a heroic and lonely exception as regards the Israel hating character of the Libertarians.
Anticipating a question like this, I also found these comments about Dr. Ron Paul: [Link: www.freerepublic.com...] (excerpted comments section)
>>>>>Since we are quoting Democrat party supporters (Andrew voted for Kerry), here's something I found from the National Jewish Democrats:
Not only did Paul vote against the House Israel Resolution on July 20th, in his speech on the House Floor, he said:
I rise in opposition to this resolution, which I sincerely believe will do more harm than good... It is very clear, reading this resolution objectively, that all the terrorists are on one side and all the victims and the innocents are on the other side. I find this unfair, particularly considering the significantly higher number of civilian casualties among Lebanese civilians. I would rather advocate neutrality rather than picking sides, which is what this resolution does.
Yes, Mr. Paul, the resolution does take sides. It takes the side of peace and freedom over terrorist regimes. That's a problem for you?
This wasn't the first time Paul stood solo on a nay vote for pro-Israel legislation.
In 1997, the Jewish Herald-Voice and the Congressional Quarterly wrote:
Showing a complete disregard for families victimized by the recent terrorist attack in Israel, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) was the only congressman to oppose an otherwise unanimous resolution to condemn two terrorist bombings. Paul was the lone dissenter when the House of Representatives adopted a resolution to condemn the tragic bombing that killed 13 people and wounded 170 others in Israel.
Additionally, Paul once suggested in a political newsletter that the Israeli government was one of the most "evil lobbying groups in Washington" (Houston Chronicle, 2/23/97).
In a fundraising letter in 1996, Paul wrote: "It's time that Israel stopped running American foreign policy and draining American taxpayers' wallets." When groups protested to the Republican leadership that Paul was being assigned to the international affairs committee, Paul blamed the Israeli government for the loss of his promised seat.
First I became a Christian without a church, used to be Episcopal, and now it looks like I am a voter without a party, used to be Republican. In both cases they left me I didn't leave them.
My only real contact with Libertarians was Boortz but now hearing he is the exception not the rule leaves me crestfallen.
Talk about being abandoned along the side of the road.
Although most sane people remain largely unaware of who he is, rest assured that Alex Jones is a celebrity among those who believe that the Bush Family's detonation squad wired up the Twin Towers in order for Chimpy McHallibush to begin enslaving the planet.
He's a real piece of work, this one, a Full Professor of Historical Re-Invention and Distinguished Chair of Conspiracy Detection at Space Cadet University. Professor Jones has every single answer about 9/11, believe me; he gains credence with the Truther nutters for claiming that he predicted 9/11 a few months before it happened.
Jones ranks right up there in my estimation with David Icke as far as global-conspiracy wackjobs go.
In the fight for the heart of the Libertarian party the libtards and puritanical objectivists took over long ago. The puritanical objectivists are so busy defining things that in effect the libtards run the party. That's why I left and went Republican in the 80's.
Basically, most Libertarians buy into the notion that the Palestinians are the rightful owners of Palestine and that the Zionists are evil violent aggressors.
This guy has been in congress since the 70's and has done absolutely nothing. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero.
This makes him presidential timber?
30 years and hardly anyone has ever heard of him.
Was he like a custodian or something and since he was there so long they made him an honorary congressman?
True. But Rue Paul has a good 20+ years on her in the congress.
Hilary on the other hand is the model candidate of liberals.
Pretends to be her own woman while using marriage to advance her career and social status while at the same time putting up with her husbands’ bad behavior in order to also play the victim and get pity and sympathy.
She is the perfect liberal wife.
Actually Alex Jones is a frequent guest of the midnight UFO radio show "Coast to Coast AM", and the host of Coast, George Noory is trying to book Ron Paul as a guest to discuss how he is not being covered by the media despite his success in these post-debate internet polls!
Ron Paul is just the spiritual successor to Lyndon LaDouche. Says most of the same things. Makes just as little sense. Belongs in the nearest available looney bin with most of his followers.
At the heart of Icke's theories is the view that the world is ruled by a secret group called the "Global Elite" or "Illuminati," which he has linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic hoax.[3][4] In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie. [3][5]
Yep, it's terrifying what David Icke knows about us reptilians.
Why, my old buddy Kris Kristofferson and I were chatting about it just the other day, that it's a good thing David Icke doesn't have, like, an MSNBC show, or we'd be in DEEP bayou-swamp guano.
I bet even an esteemed conspiracy scientist like Alex Jones himself isn't aware of the insidious and wide-ranging global terror legacy of Boxcar Willie. But then again, a guy like Alex Jones, I wouldn't put it past him.
Boxcar Willie's knowing grin on the cover of this album is the stuff of legend; heaven knows what dark secrets that grin conceals. His aw-shucks hobo persona, also, was the perfect cover for his activities as I'm sure many of you fellow reptilians are well aware.
I used to work with a woman whose husband was Boxcar Willie's cousin. Also, her son grew up with Jimmie and Stevie Ray Vaughn. Stevie was the kid brother that tagged along with the big kids.
What a bunch of losers! They claim that there were no internet votes on a text message poll, well...I worked in mobile communications for years, and if you don't know, anyone with a computer can send a text message to any number capable of receiving it. This whole thing has me wondering...it's obvious conservatives will never go for Paul, is it the libs are hell bent on trying to influence our primary to try and get him the nod? I could see that as then it wouldn't really matter if the next POTUS was R or D...either way they'd be friggen insane leftists.
The Pentagon is offering a $200,000 reward for information leading to the whereabouts of three soldiers missing since Saturday and presumed abducted...
Unaccounted for are Schober; Pfc. Joseph J. Anzack Jr., 20, of Torrance, California; Pvt. Byron W. Fouty, 19, of Waterford, Michigan and Spc. Alex R. Jimenez, 25, of Lawrence, Massachusetts. Three of the dead American soldiers have been identified and the fourth, presumed to be one of the above named soldiers was so badly burned he could not be immediately identified...
According to CNN, the military has dropped about 150,000 fliers with an tip line and reward information over the region of the attack. The reward also applies to information on the identities of the kidnappers. The U.S. has questioned about 600 individuals and detained 11. Two of the detained claim involvement on the abduction.
I've been listening to Alex Jones infrequently since he got fired from KLBJ or KJFK in Austin in the early 90's. He would rant about how the "Fema" boxes would randomly takeover the radio station to scare the hell out of people for psychological conditioning to accept internment in the giant concentration camps being secretly built.
He's had his website and put out a series of very low quality videos along with a shortwave broadcast since then.
He really believes what he says and that belief is infectious to some people.
However, since his stock-in-trade is Conspiracy, everything has to be a conspiracy. From "Building 7" to the fluoride in toothpaste and public drinking water being a "K Agent" to Bohemian Grove and the Illuminati the shit never stops. The last time I listened he just sounded like a burned out loser in need of some serious psychiatric help.
Then again, blood drinking lizards from Planet Nine probably just beamed that thought to the brainchip that controls the homunculus implanted by the Government in my sinus cavity.
/oooh, woooh, oooh.
/seriously Alex, if you are reading this, it's time to fall back on Pentecostal ministry. Dude, you can't even pay your shortwave bill.
The LiveLeak video is also on YouTube, where I've had some fun in the comments. 3 of mine were deleted by the guy pictured at the beginning of the video. The comments were a quote from Eject Eject Eject ripping the controlled demolition theory truthers like to spout. While this guy questioned how WTC 7 could have collapsed on its own, he said because he never directly mentioned controlled demolition my comments were off-topic. Riiight. Something tells me the quote was making too much sense for his truther brain to handle.
Just goes to prove that moonbats live on the right side of the aisle as well. Unlike the left, though, I refuse to enable them and let them take over the party of Reagan.
Why not just make polls for registered users only?
I personally voted for Paul as the winner of the first debate and it was honestly because I thought he won. (Not saying I support his bid, just saying he won the first debate.)
I hate to see the polls flawed in their entirety now because one person isn't even on there.
There were 2 million GOP viewers watching that debate. If Dr Paul won, then that means many of those 2 million were nodding their collective heads in approval when they heard Dr Paul talk of 911. Somehow I doubt the reception was that positive. He did manage to stir up debate and have his name talked about in mainstream GOP circles, so in that sense he did win. But unless he sees a significant increase in his poll numbers and campain contributions next week I think I can safely say he lost.
Mister Paul, if ten years of American bombing is sufficient justification for 9/11. then why weren't the hijackers named George, Miklos and Stan, and why didn't they come from Belgrade, Serbia?
The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie. [3][5]
Oh dear...they're more than on to us...this whole theory was featured in a CSI episode two weeks ago. Now GRISSOM is coming for us.
He would dismantle social security, the IRS and slash the size and scope of government.
Uhmmm.
Yeah.
And I got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
Been in congress since 1976.
1976.
Not 2006
Not 1996
Not 1986
But 1976.
And he has done what exactly?
So we make him president for 34 years and see what he does?
Hate to bust your bubble, but he is a career bureaucrat. Nothing more.
He is living off the "big government" he says he opposes.