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Audio: Bolton Unloads on BBC Radio Interviewer

Thu, May 17, 2007 at 11:11:11 am PDT

Here’s our John Bolton myth-building moment of the day, as the former UN ambassador appears on BBC Radio with a raving leftist anti-American BBC interviewer. A must-listen, in every myth-building sense of the term. As EU Referendum says, no wonder they hated Bolton at the UN.

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(Hat tip: Rob.)

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1 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:13:29am
2 blutonazi98  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:13:45am

i wish Bush would have been able to keep him at the UN.

that could have been the start of a good legacy for Bush.

3 Doug  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:14:46am

The 'Stache RULES!

Kick that commie sycophant's ass around the corner and back.

4 Atman  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:16:33am
5 hazmat  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:18:23am

"your brain is empty" pretty much says it all!

6 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:21:10am
7 Shug  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:21:55am

Bolton is such a Lizard

8 Spiritualized  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:22:17am

His brain is certainly empty, yes.

9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:22:27am

We need more Boltons, we get more Pelosis.

10 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:22:46am

One of the more controversial "figgahs".

Tear him a new one, Bolton!

11 MJ  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:24:07am

Bolton for President!

12 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:24:11am

Fred! / 'Stache in '08

13 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:24:39am
14 blutonazi98  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:24:45am

"i see your a grave digger as well"

LOL! best line of the entire clip. the Reporter shuts it down fast after that.

15 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:25:14am

OT: Jihadi burns building...
El-Masri Detained on Arson Suspicion

The 43-year-old Lebanese-German -- who claims to have been kidnapped by American agents at the end of 2003 and flown to a prison in Afghanistan for torture as part of the extraordinary renditions program -- is suspected of having ignited a blaze early Thursday morning that ultimately did €500,000 ($678,000) in damages. According to police, the door of a wholesale market in Neu-Ulm was broken and a fire was set just inside. El-Masri was picked up not far away.


Koskidz blame Bush: CIA Torture Victim Becomes Arsonist

His case is a classic example how the policy of rendition and torture the Bush administration so entdusiastically persuit, failed.

16 Old_maid  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:25:24am

I can't hear the audio, just a loud hissing. Anyone else have that problem?

17 zombie  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:25:36am

Too late to add Bolton to the Republican candidates list?

18 soccerdad  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:25:38am

Bolton is great!

19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:25:45am

OT

Holocaust hero faces belated celebrity

WARSAW, Poland - The pilgrims keep coming, seeking out the fragile 97-year-old woman in her tiny nursing home room filled with pictures and flowers.

The attention tires Irena Sendler sometimes. She never sought credit for smuggling 2,500 Jewish children out of the Warsaw Ghetto anyway. Not for risking execution to save other people's children, or holding out under torture by the Nazis, or enduring decades as a nonperson under the communist regime that followed.

She once dismissed her wartime deeds as merely "the justification of my existence on this Earth, and not a title to glory."

20 zombie  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:27:12am
#16 Old_maid
I can't hear the audio, just a loud hissing.

That's just the air being let out out of the reporter's Smugness Balloon.

21 Spiritualized  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:27:34am

For those that want to a put a face to the arrogant voice:

John Humphrys

He's a grade A arsehole. Though I can't think of anyone at the BBC who isn't.

22 uptight  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:28:05am

Bolton for President.

fuck it...

Bolton for Prime Minister

23 RedDirtGuy  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:28:09am

Especially liked the reference Bolton made to the similarities of George Soros and the BBC interviewer flunkie. Of course, his "superior breeding" made him a better sort compared to Bolton. At least in the BBC's own mind.
Bolton has such a memory vault of facts that the BBC idiot had to keep changing the question. Just to dodge the answers.

24 EC Marm  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:28:12am

The snotty BBC reporter denies any political affiliation then asks of Bolton this leading question, "Would you agree the great neo-con adventure is over?"

25 Hot Rod Kid  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:29:00am

"Superior Brits."

Spot on.

I've travelled the world a bit and met Brits (and other Europeans) who have a false sense of moral and intellectual superiority over the "stupid" Americans.

I could never do what J. Bolton does. Talk to these arrogant, pompous, delusional twits without throwing up at the end of the day.

/Of course, I don't mean all Brits and Europeans. Just the twits.

26 dan  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:29:41am

I think I'm developing a severe man-crush on Bolton.

27 Patrizio  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:30:24am

I enjoyed that so much. John Bolton is a brilliant, very skilled man. We need him back in public office pronto.

28 punchy100  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:30:35am

Bolton does a great job of handling this interview. I think people get into trouble when they are being interviewed by an obviously hostile person and try to ignore it. Bolton faces him head-on just as soon as the interview starts to go sour, and doesn't turn away.

As soon as this BBC lefty steps in it and says the US "destroyed everything that had existed previously in IRAQ", Bolton calls him on it, and proceeds to make it obvious that he is (almost self-admittedly) an empty-headed left winger.

29 Old_Maid  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:31:04am

OH I wish I could hear this! I love John Bolton ... I was crushed to see him go. Maybe one of the other blogs will pick it up later?

30 RedDish  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:31:32am

Absof'nlutely brilliant!What a self-rightous prick that BBC reporter is! I agree with the above, BOLTON '08, '12 and beyond. I just hope the Repub candidate has the spine to put him into the administation SOMEWHERE if not on the main ticket.

31 Silhouette  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:31:47am

It is never an interview when they are "interviewing" conservatives.

It is always a debate.

Never, "Tell me about your policy," but "How can you possibly believe that way?"

32 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:32:08am

Bolton / VDH '08


That was better than the Mufti Muzzler.

33 JohnRC  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:32:38am

Puffed-up British boob.

34 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:32:43am

How long does the interview run?

35 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:32:44am

"I am neither left nor right nor middle."

"So your brain is completely empty."

Classic.

36 punchy100  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:33:09am

And could someone tell me what the hell IS the the Great Neo-Con Adventure?

Sounds like a ride at Six Flags.

37 Charles  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:33:16am

Old_Maid: you might need to upgrade your Flash player. Here's the link:

[Link: www.adobe.com...]

38 Walahi  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:33:41am

I like Bolton's style, no-nonsense and call it like it is.

The BBC reporter was correct in one aspect: British reporters do ask questions like that. It doesn't matter what part of the political spectrum the person resides on, the do the in your face 'hardtalk' style while maintaing that posh measured accent. American reporting is different.

HOWEVER, the reporter's line of questioning rapidly started to uncover his anti-Americanism and hostility. Still using the 2003 pre-invasion talking points, screaming 'quagmire' in so many words, and hinting a bit of joy at the end of the 'neo-con adventure'.

I commend Bolton for sticking it to this guy and saying what needs to be said:

1. Iraq was a good thing, despite the fact that post-Saddam Iraq is a very ugly place (I still think breaking the country up into three states is the best idea) but that brings me to..

2. Iran needs regime change. Why? They are a large part of the problem in Iraq and are developing nuclear weapons that not just threaten America and its allies interests and security, but the region (if not the world) as a whole

39 astronmr20  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:33:47am

I will usually suffer any reporter who will play "devil's advocacte" in an interview, but this guy was obviously a looney.

Good on John Bolton.

40 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:34:02am

This guy should be advising Presidents on how to conduct interviews or be one himself.

41 MJ  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:34:08am

Bolton resigned and all we got left with is that lousy Rice.

42 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:35:16am

Man, now there are too many good Republicans to count. I want to somehow work Rudy, Mitt, Fred, Duncan Hunter, Tancredo, Bolton, and VDH all in to a 2009 administration.

43 Atman  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:35:58am

#12 Just_A_Grunt

Here's a bumper sticker for the campaign...

44 Old_Maid  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:36:32am

#37 Lizard Master: Thanks. I can't upgrade, though, I'm at work ... the IT folk would have a cow! (Supposed to be working...) and at home I only connect at 37kpbs so I can't really listen there, either.

Hopefully there'll be a transcript at some point.

...the Luddite Lizard

45 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:36:41am

Bolton should be SecState. Of course he'd have to burn down the building to get all the rats out.

46 Silhouette  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:36:47am

Fear the 'Stache!

47 jayzee  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:36:54am

"Yes you're a superior Brit"
Awesome-he really is magnificent. Congress did this nation a great disservice by not giving him the nod. It really is shameful and bad for our country that he is no longer at the UN.

48 arizona9  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:37:07am

Oh. My. God. I am in love. That was brilliant. I almost gagged when the interviewer mentioned Soros. So did Bolton! Tell him to shave the friggin' mustache already and enter the race. Freaking brilliant.

Hmm...President Bolton..I like the sound of that.

49 Catttt  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:39:32am

WOW. That was so - I am speechless.

My sides ache from laughing. I banged my desk! My cat is looking at me funny.

If you didn't actually listen to the whole thing yet, go do so now.

BRILLIANT, and wickedly funny. I wish I had one tenth of Ambassador Bolton's debating ability. One hundreth.

50 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:39:53am
"I am neither left nor right nor middle."

Funny, I often hear that very same comment... always from my most Left-wing friends.

51 edr  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:40:34am

Hmmm.

The House and the Senate passed the Immigration bill.

52 JohnRC  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:40:48am

It amazes me how quick people like 'the stache' are on their feet with where all the bodies are buried.

53 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:41:39am

VDH and Bolton arent running for anything.

Rudy has shown he is a good law and order type, but has little other conservative values that I can see. I havent studied him closely yet.

A lot of hype about Fred, but its my understanding that he voted against tort reform and in favor of CFR. Those are big red flags.

Wasnt Mitt in favor of a single payer healthcare system in Mass? That would be a huge red flag.

I dont know the other guys yet.

54 astronmr20  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:42:07am

I just laughed at "the great neo-con adventure." The question itself, wording, delivery, fabricated vernacular was as hostile as it gets.

How could this prick actually say he is not "left?"

55 ORD neighbor  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:42:12am

Bolton akbar! ululu! is optional :)

56 Brenda  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:42:14am

Re: Soros... "Are you kidding?"

Too funny!

Also Iran "won't be chatted out" of nukes.

So undiplomatic, in a good way.

My ticket: Hunter/Bolton.

57 Colonel Panik  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:42:44am

Remember the old Monty Python skit, "The Upper Class Twit of the Year" competition?

John Humphrys is the BBC Leftist Twit of the Year.

58 Aylios  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:43:57am

Jesus, what an a-hole (the interviewer).

The voice of reason (John Bolton) against popular wisdom. Give me reason anyday.

Yet another confirmation of what a level-headed, clear-thinking and straight-talking guy Bolton is. No that we needed any but boy does the left, to which more than half the western world regrettably belongs, regardless of what they call themselves need it.

Pity someone like him doesn't run the UN. But then why would someone like him want to chair a dictator's club ...

59 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:44:42am
60 yochanan  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:44:58am

RUDY/BOLTON 08

and find a job for joe l. too

61 astronmr20  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:45:20am

No wonder we fought a war to get away from these fucking people.

62 yochanan  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:45:47am

mos'stache

63 astronmr20  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:45:58am

#59

mustache.

64 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:45:58am

mustache

65 brent  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:46:22am

I actually said "wow" , sitting here in the office listening to that clip, when the interviewer used Soros as an example.

All I could think was "Wow, so this is the mind of someone that looks at George Soros and thinks he's a good man.".

At that point, all I could think was "you're going to to look terrible in history's eyes...".

Write this all down, don't forget a thing; this is history that's going to be talked about for centuries to come. These guys are going to scurry for cover later, don't forget their words.

66 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:46:37am
67 JAFO  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:46:38am

THAT is the kind of thing the Bush Admin. should have been doing from day 1. Satnd up to them. Do not apologoize for being a conservative.

68 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:47:46am

Is the "neo-con adventure" over?

A better question would be, "is the British adventure overwith?".

69 rop?lol  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:47:47am

Suggestion for new rotating title:

"So your brain is completly empty"

70 brent  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:48:14am

#54 How could this prick actually say he is not "left?"

Answer: at best, he's intellectually bankrupt; more likely, he's just a liar.

Oh yeah, a liar and a fool.

71 FrogMarch  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:48:35am

Notice how touchy left-wingers are getting about being called left-wingers.

Fucking left-wingers.

72 astronmr20  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:48:41am

#67,

I was thinking the same thing.

The next repub. administration needs to find a place for this truth-talker.

Speech writer comes to mind, although that's far beneath him.

73 arizona9  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:48:42am
My sides ache from laughing. I banged my desk! My cat is looking at me funny.

I know. I was pounding my desk and have an equally annoyed cat. I'm having a genuinely crap day and that clip certainly perked me up.

I love how, slowly, as the interview goes along, the interviewer's mask begins to slip. Course, he's the BBC and it was already attached poorly. But, still, it was funny hearing it slide.

74 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:49:08am

#42 Ward Cleaver

Man, now there are too many good Republicans to count. I want to somehow work Rudy, Mitt, Fred, Duncan Hunter, Tancredo, Bolton, and VDH all in to a 2009 administration.


No one person on that list has all of the qualities or stances on issues that I like by themselves, but if you could roll all of them into one. . .
The Law and Order stance of Rudy, the organizational skills of Mitt, the media savvy of Fred!, the understanding of the military of Hunter, the strong border positon of Tancredo, and the bluntness and straight forward style of Bolton, well then you would have a candidate.
And a real Ronald Reagan II (well except Ronnie was a little weak on the immigration issue also)

75 Aylios  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:49:09am
/Of course, I don't mean all Brits and Europeans. Just the twits.


thanks, Hot Rod Kid ;)

You're right, not all of us fall into that category, but a regrettably large number do. Far more than in the US for example. Europeans are far too naval gazing, even those that are anti-muslim think that the muslim problem ends at their national border. One day my compatriots will rudely wake up to the fact that it doesn't.

76 uptight  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:50:49am

You notice how every political discussion with a lefty inevitably mentions Bush or Iraq.

This interview was supposed to be about Blair's successor Gordon Brown (..."texture like sun").

77 Ben Hur  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:51:05am

George Soros speaks for mainstream middle America.

/BBC.

78 Willfully Right  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:51:14am

Excellent! Hearing the truth boldly delivered is powerful stuff. Are there more out there like John Bolton? If so, shove them out front. It is the only salvation for this country. Americans will respond to straight forward talk. Mr. Bolton's delivery of his message roughs the feathers of the PC crowd. I say, bring it!

79 Dianna  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:51:16am

#53 dll2000

And please - when thinking about Fred! - don't forget that, as a lobbyist, he wrote the S&L deregulation bill.

It's his fault, and he is, in my opinion, more covered in S&L pocket lint than even John McCain.

All I can say about Fred Thompson is that I'd love to see him run, if only to watch my Male do a complete 180 from his usual style and defend a man who was a lawyer, a lobbyist, a 1.5 term senator, and an actor.

As a comedy turn, it's pretty darn good.

80 Morganfrost  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:51:36am

The man should be Secretary of State. Or possibly president. It is both rare and refreshing to see a conservative figure interviewed by the press and refuse to cotton to the snide, pompous digs.

81 Aylios  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:51:38am
#69 rop?lol 5/17/2007 11:47:47 am PDT

Suggestion for new rotating title:

"So your brain is completly empty"


Youre right, that was a good one xD. Of course the interviewer didn't realise that here for once, he really was speaking truth to power lol. Once again, their humour is unintentional. Lmao.

82 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:51:40am
83 foobius  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:51:40am

There is an attachment to Lennon's "Imagine" by the left.

Imagine a government where everyone is like John Bolton...

84 Sprite  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:51:43am

#44 Old_Maid

I'm connected at only 50kbps, so you should be able to get it, albeit words-cut-off-haltingly.

One of my favorites by Bolton: "...just as in the United States the State Department doesn't follow the President's policies."

Amen, Mr. Bolton!

Thanks, Charles. That made my day.

85 Catttt  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:51:46am

73 arizona9

Oh, yeah. An then he trots out the old "devil's advocate" saw. As if.

86 Patrizio  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:52:46am

38 Walahi

Exactly. The interviewer tried to cover himself by claiming something that is true, that there is a British school of interviewing of sorts that works like that. However, the phrasing of his questions and the tone of his voice clearly gave away his profoundly anti-American bias.

I'd also like to comment that one of the things I like the most about Bolton is not just what he says, but the way he conducts himself. He's calm, he does not interrupt the other person, lets them speak then rebuts them with ease and civility, while simultaneously making it clear that the other is a moron.

87 ted  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:53:57am

"We destroyed the the institutions in Iraq"

WTF?

Bolton shredded this scumbag...

88 Ben Hur  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:54:18am

You have to love how they ignore everything that ever happened before GWB.

89 brent  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:54:31am

...and Wolfowitz... Where did that come from, just straight neocon / banking / the J-word rhetoric?

Seriously, pro-Soros, anti-Wolfie, not a Leftie?

Oh yeah, this guy is a liar and a fool (never one of my beloved, monty-pythonesque Twits).

90 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:55:28am
91 Jimmah  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:55:40am

#54 astronmer 20

He's a BBC reporter/broadcaster - they are not like ordinary people, they are beings of pure reason - and as such are completely beyond reproach.

Just because they ask questions like - "Isn't it time you stinking American neocons left the world which has learned to hate you so much alone?" doesn't mean one can draw nasty conclusions about political bias.

92 MandyManners  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:55:40am

Wow! Bolton jerked the lefty's head off and instead of handing it to him on a plate, he stuck it up his butt!

93 EE  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:55:44am

The BBC "interviewer" did not ask any unloaded questions, but mainly made outrageous statements. What questions he did ask, at the end of each rant, were entirely loaded questions and to answer them required Bolton to agree with a false premise, which of course Bolton refused to do.

What a jerk that BBC ranter was, who disgraced the journalistic profession by putting on display his extreme bias.

94 goodbye_natalie  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:57:22am

Guffaw!

I swear that voice is the same one you hear doing commentary on the British open. "And Angus McHaggis shanks his drive into the bunker...Oh, tis a shame. This year's British Open has more subplots than a Charles Dickens novel..."

What a great interview Bolton! Nothing I love to hear more than a pompous ass get his comeuppance on his own broadcast. Bolton might as well called him an empty headed moron. It wouldn't have chapped that Brit's ass anymore.

95 EE  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:58:09am

Kudos to John Bolton for masterfully dealing with this BBC left-wing ranter posing as an interviewer.

96 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:58:18am
97 RTLM  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:59:49am

That jerkoff interviewer and the BBC at large are contributers to the demise of Britain.

They can take their high/mighty, nasal aristo-speak to hell with them.

98 MoonbatBane  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:59:57am

#59 savage_nation 5/17/2007 11:44:42 am PDT

What's the significance of the term 'stache'?

The answer to that question should be self evident from these. LOL

99 goodbye_natalie  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:00:08pm
100 Silhouette  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:00:13pm

I suppose if a leftist thinks that all power should reside with the government, and a rightist thinks that all the power should reside with the people, or as much can possibly be and still have a functioning government to protect individual rights, and a middle person thinks it should be about half-and-half, I suppose it is possible that a person doesn't agree with any of those options.

Perhaps an anarchist or maybe he just thinks all the power should reside with him.

101 Sharmuta  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:00:44pm

Thank you for this Charles, and you too Mr. Bolton.

I loved the section where the interviewer said he was neither left-wing or right-wing or any-wing. Nice try, but Mr. Bolton is not the only one on to you people.

102 Colin Nelson  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:00:55pm

Bolton hit a significant and critical issue when he noted the pernicious tendancy of the bureaucracy in State (and certainly, the Foreign office) to simply not take action when directed to do so by the system in which they work.

103 Cartman  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:01:27pm

Late to the thread.

Where in the hell are more men/women like this committed to holding this (currently) fragile Republic together? Much good on ya, Mr. Bolton. Godspeed.

104 Caliphornian  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:02:03pm

If we have any sort of job running the State department that is permanent, we need Bolton in that position. The dude kicks major butt.

C

105 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:02:17pm
106 Highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:02:27pm

Bolton rules.

The dems should be ashamed for not letting him serve. THere was NO valid reason for them to keep him down. I laughed when pelosi promised to lead the nation in a new direction "in partnership, not in partisanship."

yeah right, explain Bolton then, witch.

107 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:13:34pm
108 Richard Romano  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:13:40pm

Why isn't this man still the ambassador to the UN? The guy is just brilliant...damn those Dems.

109 DP111  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:15:44pm

John Humphrys is the BBCs top interviewer. He is generally combative but with John Bolton he definitely came of worst. It was good to see the BBCs top man get a working over. Unfortunately, the interview was short, so there was no time for Bolton to really get stuck in.

As one commentator put it, this is the kind of thing the Bush administration should have been doing from the start, instead of apologising for this and that. That only encouraged the admins enemies. Bolton in this interview gave no hint of any apology, even though the questions were posed in a manner that would normally have elicited an apology.

What struck me was that John Bolton was reading John Humphrys mind, and was anticipating the questions long before they were posed.

Excellent stuff.

In passing, John Humphrys has done some excellent interviews of imams etc, and has given them a tough time.

110 Sol Roth  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:15:53pm

Super eloquent smackdown on a collectivist, limeytwit.

"Gravedigger." Ha ha hahahahahaha!

111 thebigolddog  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:17:32pm

Bolton '08

"You're a Superior Brit aren't you."

I can not spare this man. He fights!

112 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:20:22pm

Is anyone else having problems with the site?

We must be linked somewhere big.

113 Ben Hur  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:21:37pm
114 Jonas Parker  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:22:10pm

Bolton for President!

115 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:22:20pm

Bolton's got nothin' on this guy, 'stache wise.

116 Sharmuta  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:22:33pm

101 myself

Not only did this interviewer claim to be of no political persuasion, he actually believes this. I've said it before, and I'll say it again- these msm people really, truly believe they are unbiased, to the point where they are completely blind to the fact that they actually aren't unbiased at all. Talk about myth-building.

117 Insert Clever Name Here  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:23:32pm

Please, please, please...

Is there a transcript. I can't get the thingy to work! Arrgh!

118 TimeQuake  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:23:54pm

The format of that audio changed and I was able to listen to it straight through and I'm on dial-up.

Thank you, Charles.

We need more men like Bolton. Lots more.

119 DP111  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:24:35pm

102 Colin Nelson

Have you ever watched "Yes Minister" or "Yes Prime Minister"?, first aired in the eighties. This BBC series is so near the truth, that even Margaret Thatcher used to watch it, just to get a handle on how the civil service would try to stymie her policy directives.

120 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:25:48pm

His talents were wasted at the UN.

The UN is meaningless other than to waste money and provide patronage jobs for the new aristocracy of the world. Also, it is useful to help make life hellish for Israeli's.

121 Sharmuta  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:26:23pm

112 dll2000

Is anyone else having problems with the site?

Funny- I was just going to ask that. Pages are loading slower than a Ron Paul backer's ability to get it.

122 savage_nation[deleted]  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:26:34pm
123 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:27:31pm
124 Silhouette  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:27:33pm

Off Topics

Chaplain suspended, charged for handing out tracts that say terrorists are following teachings of Islam, and that Allah is not God.

Inert Mortar found at LAX.

But the best for last, the incredibly horrible torture of the unscented deodorant and the under inflated sporting equipment!

he was physically as well as mentally tortured there by having to read a newsletter full of 'crap,' being forced to use unscented deodorant and shampoo and having to play sports with a ball that would not bounce.


... he also had his baby pictures taken from him, that cleaners left marks on his cell walls and that detainees have no DVD players or other entertainment.

125 PatFromGermany  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:30:19pm

OT: This the moonbats will like. NOT. "Why There Is No Insurgency in Iraq"

Interview with Stephen D. Biddle. ...Since Sept. 11, 2001, he has specialized in the War on Terror. Most recently, he advised US President George W. Bush on the situation in Iraq and flew to Baghdad to meet with General David Petraeus in the search for a workable solution for Iraq...

Link / In English / May 17, 2007

126 mm  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:31:29pm

JOHN BOLTON 2008!


if only..

127 MandyManners  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:35:04pm

123 buzzsawmonkey

HUZZAH! HUZZAH!

128 akak  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:37:49pm

IDF INFANTRY MOVING IN! ...bout time!

129 mama winger  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:38:06pm

#124 Silhouette

From your last link:

And he complained that he was only given cheap unscented soap and shampoo, and that in the recreation room there is "no weight lifting machine, no toilet, no sink, ho hoops, and even balls them self have little air in them; they hardly bounce."

"They know my weaknesses — what drive me crazy and what doesn't," he said.

This one should get its own thread. LOL!

130 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:38:27pm

I think its amazing how excited you get about a straight talking and combative person.

Goes to show how little of it we've had on our side of the isle (out of public officials). We are starving for a Bolton type.

Guess were tired of eating sh*t sandwiches.

131 Ezekiel2517  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:38:52pm

Bolton for Regional Governor of the U.S. Protectorate of England. :)

132 Highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:40:22pm

OT just a little: Lovely..just lovely...our immigration policies stun me in this time of war. Oh, that is right, we aren't at war. Oh wait..we are at war! I'm so confused!

133 Dustoff-507  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:41:20pm

I'm watching McCain smile as this crazy immigration bill heads to the Prez.

I'm so damn pissed at my GOP. )-:

134 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:43:00pm

Puts me in mind of one of my favorite movies, A Fish Called Wanda:

"Oh, you English think you're so superior, don't you? Well you know what you'd be with out us, the old U.S.A. to back you up? I'll tell you - the smallest fucking province in the Russian Empire, that's what! If it weren't for us, you'd all be speaking German now, singing 'Deutschland, Deutschland, uber alles'!"

135 DieLibsDie  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:43:44pm

1) Playing a sport with a ball that doesn't bounce is either lawn bowling, cricket, or squash. I contend that we have yet another reason why superior Brits' heads are empty

2) The interview was great. Bolton is quick, unflappable, and articulate. Unfortunately he is also apolitical, which makes him come off as arrogant and abrasive. However, his grasp of the facts, and his ability to answer at the drop of a hat to loaded questions in a way that leaves no room for rebuttal is wonderful. I am sure he left the interview writing off the host, as he should have. The Brits, I am sure, hated the interview. Americans, though, should have had their eyes opened if the did not already.

3) If this shows nothing else, it demonstrates why GWB is going to be a historical enigma. Right on the issues, unable to communicate effectively or persuasively, unlike his predecessor, who was the equivalent of the village idiot, but could have sold ice to penguins. That is exactly why the nomination is open for Fred Thompson to snatch away, IMHO.

4) Bolton is a national treasure. We should just recognize that and set him loose. Unfortunately that won't happen for another couple of years, which is time and talent wasted, IMHO.

136 useless  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:43:55pm

So, this guy, he says' that he was just playing "Devils Advocate"

By asking lefty/anti-American/moonbat questions?

Kind of proves who's side the devil is on, don't it?

137 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:44:19pm
138 upstatenyr  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:45:59pm

This man needs his own radio or tv show.

139 Kenneth  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:46:17pm

I've often thought this guy looks a lot like John Bolton.

140 akak  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:46:53pm

2.7 trillion $ Amnesty bill...lovely

141 Silhouette  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:48:15pm

OT-

Maybe it's just me, but 1700 bombs sounds like a lot of dern bombs, I don't care how small they are.

Three Thai workers were arrested today for illegally possessing 1700 small bombs and a large quantity of fertiliser, police said.

I can't find anything more than these three paragraphs. Perhaps the company had a genuine need for the explosives (demolition?), and just went over their approved limit.

But maybe not. I'm interested to know more.

142 ointmentfly  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:48:17pm

It is a beautiful thing when Bolton or Hitchens go head to head with one of these left wing hacks masquerading as a journalist...

143 Highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:48:21pm

133 Dustoff-507 5/17/2007 12:41:20 pm PDT

I'm watching McCain smile as this crazy immigration bill heads to the Prez.


He's such a manipulative politician. I sat back and listened to the tripe he spewed in this last debate. His whole answer on the torture aspect...he was so smug and snobby that HIS legislation will FIX our torture problem...


I have only one shred of respect for him for his service in our country but that is IT! He's not too far off from murtha, he just is a little more snakey about it.

144 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:49:56pm

Where's tfk?

145 mad_scientist  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:51:17pm

Wow. How can that guy (interviewer) say he is not a leftist? Every single question was aimed at how everything is the US's fault!

Loved it when he said "Typical British Snob"...or something to that effect. Apologies to any British Lizards out there, but this interview is the poster child for snobbish Brits...

146 Kenneth  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:51:38pm

#125 PatFromGermany

From your link,

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Are you saying that there is no anti-occupation struggle in Iraq?

Biddle: Yes. The American occupation is widely resented. On the other hand, for many years, the only people who were shooting occupiers were Sunnis, and the only places they were doing it were in mixed and Sunni sections of Iraq. In the Kurdish north and the Shiite south no-one was shooting occupiers. The Sunnis were shooting occupiers not because they are occupiers but because the Americans were enabling what they fear to be Shiite oppression.

Interesting stuff, thanks!

147 MandyManners  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:51:42pm

Danes returning artifacts to Afghanistan and sending more troops.

KABUL (AFP) - Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen handed his Afghan counterpart a small, ancient replica of a lion, saying it was the first of 4,000 Afghan treasures his government would return.

Danish border police had a few years ago confiscated a hoard of Afghan artefacts that the government wanted to bring back to the country, Rasmussen told reporters at a media briefing with President Hamid Karzai.

Afghanistan has lost most of its ancient heritage through its decades of war in which looting and smuggling was rampant.

About 1,300 ethnographic and archaeological objects were returned in March from a museum in Switzerland.

148 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:51:53pm

Koskidz cry "Censorship!"...
Daily Kos: Quote IOF, you are peace maker; Quote Palestinian, you are a terrorist

Yesterday, which marked the celebration of the Nakba, Daily Kos blew the last bridge it had with the Palestinian voices. Midday GMT, the news started coming. They first banned Umkahlil, later on they banned me, and last but not least, they banned Anna Baltzer. Why? Nobody knows. No reason is given. ...


I really feel sorrow for leaving because I will miss the peaceful voices of the silent pro-Palestine majority at Daily Kos. However, I’m glad that I made more friends than enemies while there, no matter what happens. Just keep in mind that if you want to be seen as a peacemaker, stop applauding the war criminals and supporting the IOF terrorists. On the other hand, watch your back if you quote any Palestinian. You will be tagged as a terrorist.

Good bye “Zionist Occupied” Daily Kos!

Koskidz want the return of the torrist supporters: Restoring The Palestinian Voice To Daily Kos

149 jg2k7  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:52:28pm

Bolton, you magnificent bastard, you!

Never change. Keep sticking it to douchebags like this interviewer. I'm surprised the BBC guy didn't ask him if he was a fan of Karl Marx, for chrissakes. I mean, jeez.

150 Jimmah  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:52:38pm

#124 silhouette

he was physically as well as mentally tortured there by having to read a newsletter full of 'crap,' being forced to use unscented deodorant and shampoo and having to play sports with a ball that would not bounce.

... he also had his baby pictures taken from him, that cleaners left marks on his cell walls and that detainees have no DVD players or other entertainment.

Aww...the poor wittle muswim tewwowist...so sad.

151 Dustoff-507  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:53:04pm

#143 Highrise

I have only one shred of respect for him for his service in our country but that is IT!

This passes and his goose is cooked for the PREZ.

If Bush does sign this bill, that's it. I'm done will the GOP.

152 Hot Rod Kid  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:53:29pm

#125 PatFromGermany

This interview/article makes perfect sense.

3 years ago one of my relatives who was stationed in Iraq (this person went through doors and helped round-up the "insurgents") sent me e-mails and described to me what was going on over there. I thought at that time, "Iraq is in a civl war." And I had expressed that opinion.

Today, I'm more convinced. The Shiites, Kurds and Sunnis don't want peace, they want to win.

153 EE  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:53:42pm

Melanie Phillips: Bolton v the BBC
[Link: www.melaniephillips.com...]

154 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:53:53pm

Update on Possible Alien from Central America that could Visit Cuba, then hit Bahamas or Florida!

Canadian develops a full hurricane from this

Yurpian also develops this, but drives it towards Nicaragua and Honduras

Of course, this has nothing to do with the tropical disturbance that tries to develop, but runs out of time, sucked up by the East Coast trough, and its tropical heat and moisture thrown over the shallow layer of clammy Canadian air, for a rainy and windy weekend in Eastern NY and New England!

155 Silhouette  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:53:55pm

#141 myself

Hmmm.

Three men are arrested today an hour or so north of Bangkok with 1700 "small bombs."

In another story, a "small bomb" went off in Bangkok recently, near the palace, therefore police are stepping up security

They would also install CCTV cameras at 1,700 points, he said.
156 EE  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:54:49pm

re #153


May 17, 2007
Bolton v the BBC

For afficionados (if that’s the right word — maybe sado-masochists would be more appropriate) of the closed mindset of BBC Radio Four’s Today programme, this morning’s exchange (0840) between its Grand Inquisitor John Humphrys and the former US Ambassador to the UN John Bolton was an absolute peach. Bolton was on because of his remarks discussed here about Iran and the alleged disloyalty of British Foreign Office officials in countermanding British government policy over Iraq. The exchange started coolly enough, so much so that for a while I thought Humphrys was for once going to conduct an interview about US foreign policy without betraying his own views.

But then things took a sharp turn for the worse when his incredulity at what Bolton was saying — which, because it was based on truth, rationality, sense of proportion and intellectual honesty clearly struck Humphrys as utterly preposterous – prompted him to claim that America had ‘destroyed everything’ in Iraq. Bolton told him sharply that this was totally untrue, that various Iraqi ministries had remained functioning, and that although undoubtedly America had made grievous mistakes in Iraq, that fact did not invalidate toppling Saddam in the first place. It was that point — that logically unanswerable point —which Humphrys just couldn’t get his head round.

So he then started spluttering — causing Bolton to make a remark about the extreme left-wing bias Humphrys was revealing by his questions. This was the one error Bolton made: he assumed that the visceral anti-war, anti-American bias he was correctly picking up from Humphrys’s ever-more self-revealing questions must be left-wing, whereas it is of course the default position of what passes for the British centre-ground. However, the fury provoked by Bolton’s remark led Humphrys progressively to reveal yet more deeply questionable assumptions — such as the fact that George Soros was attacking Bush and the war furnished the proof that such opposition was not left-wing and, by implication, principled and right. This caused Bolton to laugh out loud in amazement — as well he might — at how a mainstream broadcaster could have fallen for Soros’s anti-Bush, anti-west manipulation. Humphrys then suggested that Paul Wolfowitz had lost his job at the World Bank because he was ‘fatally flawed’ — which led Bolton, who by this time was audibly open-mouthed at the apparently unstoppable stream of false assumptions and prejudices with which every question was being loaded, to point out that a) Wolfowitz was not yet out and b) he was not fatally flawed.

As a demonstration of the astounding prejudices of the BBC mindset, the loaded nature of its questioning and the assumptions it makes about its interviewees, and the circular fact that by definition such a mindset makes it simply impossible for it to acknowledge even the possibility that it might have descended from the summit of Mount Objectivity into the gutter of twisted journalism, the spat could hardly be bettered. The BBC is now a totally closed thought system, and if John Bolton didn’t know that before, he certainly knows it now.

157 Three Hundred  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:56:33pm

Neutral interviewer my arse, Humphrys may even be left of Dan Rather.

158 Catttt  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:56:51pm

137 Ward Cleaver

I think I'll wait to judge it that way until I have a good look at it. Democracy is the art of compromise, after all.

159 xgaijin  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:57:51pm

It's amazing the interviewer can so blithely spit out a decidely anti-American talking point as calmly as if he was ordering a pint of bitter at the local pub.

Still, that he has an ax to grind is given away by his question about anyone who disagrees with Bush is automatically branded a leftist. Even as he makes the comment I can instantly hear the average Dem say "anyone who opposes the war is branded unpatriotic" or some other nonsense.

160 PrimePowerPro  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:57:53pm

#128 akak "IDF INFANTRY MOVING IN! ...bout time!"

Link, please?

OT

When I log in, there's a checkbox that says Remember me. Checked or unchecked, it doesn't DO anything. Do I have to adopt a certain oral posture for it to have some effect? Whats up with that, anyway? What's it supposed to do?

161 Roger  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:58:42pm

#130 dll2000

They do get old after a while!

162 StinkHammer  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:58:47pm

#71 Frog

Notice how touchy left-wingers are getting about being called left-wingers.

It's become taboo amongst their hordes; their tactic is to rely on the old trope "progressive" (progress toward a collectivist utopia).

I recall hearing a radio interview with anti-military goofwad Eugene Jarecki, regarding his anti-military film Why We Fight. The interviewer made some reference to Jarecki's "leftist perspective" or referred to him as politically Left in some way, and Jarecki went nuts trying to deny that he was coming from any such angle. His rhetoric was sky-high laughable.

163 WeaselZipper  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:59:14pm
164 Highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 12:59:31pm

151 Dustoff-507

mccain acts like he's a tough guy on terror. How am I suppose to believe his tripe on that too? This last debate should PROVE how often he *loved to reach to the other side of the aisle*. I swear he said that on almost every damn issue..and he wishes for me to believe he'd stand his ground on terror?

HAHHAHHAHHHA...can I call him a passive aggressive now?

I'm so disappointed today with this immigration bill...I'm heading to the pool here in an hour...I just don't even know what to do with my rage about this.

Of course I loudly said the same thing as you..done with the GOP..but when I calm down, I know deep down...dems are worse...and even saying that makes me cry..I have little comfort..believe you me, my friend.


Protect your 2nd amendment folks...this should really give you a mere glimpse into the future. And if nothing, I hope some of you see how it CAN come down to the President...to limit the 2nd amendment and chip away at it. I feel like I'm a broken record whenever I post this here..but it's just that I don't think people really realize...and they want to believe WORDS these politicians say..and not watch their ACTIONS...and some really act like they don't see that the president has the power he does to change the 2nd amendment...Just remember, he's last in line..and has the pen to veto a congress that is out of control, like the one we are seeing before our eyes.

166 akak  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:01:54pm

160

ynet

167 EE  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:02:27pm

re #156

The BBC is now a totally closed thought system, and if John Bolton didn’t know that before, he certainly knows it now.


--- Melanie Phillips

168 RTLM  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:03:33pm
#143 Highrise
I have only one shred of respect for him for his service in our country but that is IT! He's not too far off from murtha, he just is a little more snakey about it.

I've always viewed McCain as an opportunist and see his loyalties as wherever the wind blows.

He can spin his "consistency" any way he wants to. And WAY too many oft-repeated talking points.

169 Hot Rod Kid  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:04:28pm

#137 Ward Cleaver

Today, the Republicans were whores as they tried to placate and woo the Latino vote. They will find that the Latino vote is still going to go to the Democrats next election and people like us are going to stay home. Republicans should expect a beating next election.

And, please, don't anyone tell me that the stakes are too high for me not to vote next time around. I'm going to retire in 15-20 years and I expect to live off the government tit like everyone else.

(Yeah, you bet I'm pissed-off.)

170 3 wood  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:04:43pm

#129 Mama Winger

You might want to avoid wathcing the sports highlights tonight.

The Cubs went into the bottom of the ninth beating the Mets 5 - 1.

They lost 6 - 5.

Ouch babe.

171 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:05:11pm

#163 WeaselZipper

Jonathan Wornick, who is on the ‘peace and justice commission’ adivisng Berkeley city council emailed his colleagues with the link, saying it was ‘an honest attempt to bring dialogue’.

Well, there's the problem.

172 mama winger  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:05:50pm

#131 Ezekial 2517

I really like your nic:

Ezekiel 25:15-20

A Prophecy Against Philistia

15 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says: 'Because the Philistines acted in vengeance and took revenge with malice in their hearts, and with ancient hostility sought to destroy Judah,
16 therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am about to stretch out my hand against the Philistines, and I will cut off the Kerethites and destroy those remaining along the coast.
17 I will carry out great vengeance on them and punish them in my wrath. Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I take vengeance on them.' "

:)

173 funky chicken  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:06:26pm

151 Dustoff GW Bush isn't the GOP. I'd argue he's been an unmitigated disaster for the GOP. He's wanted this amnesty for as long as he's been on the national stage...

Here's an article from 8/2/2001
[Link: www.vdare.com...]

All of a sudden, it looks like President Bush's plan for granting amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens from Mexico is about to come a bit of a cropper. Then again, just because the word "amnesty" has vanished from the administration's vocabulary doesn't mean the plan is not still on track. Americans who would like to keep the country their forefathers created and left them are well-advised to stay on guard.

Indeed, the administration may be pushing the amnesty proposal even further than it originally planned. The idea first popped up when Secretary of State Colin Powell and Attorney General John Ashcroft unbosomed their recommendation that some 3 million Mexicans in this country illegally be allowed to apply for permanent residency. That, call it what you will, is amnesty.

But it didn't go far enough for Mr. Bush's advisers in the Democratic Party. Immediately smelling the political rat in the Powell-Ashcroft-Bush plan, that the administration was trying to snatch the Hispanic vote out of the Democrats' basket, the Democrats simply outflanked the president. The president's plan, they announced, clearly discriminates against the millions of illegal aliens here from other countries besides Mexico. Why confine amnesty to aliens of one nation? Why not grant amnesty to every illegal alien in the country?

Well, why not indeed? By the weekend, that's exactly what the president was promising to consider. "We'll consider all folks here," he told the press when asked if his amnesty plan was being expanded to include immigrants from other countries.

But, you see, it's still not an amnesty, according to the president himself, who also told the press, "A word was creeping in the vernacular about this issue, called amnesty. I oppose blanket amnesty. The American people need to know that." (New York Times, July 27, 2001, "Bush Says Plan for Immigrants Could Expand")

Well, you bet your blankets they do. But they also need to know that whatever euphemism Mr. Bush and his spinmeisters coin for what they're planning, amnesty is what it will be—for 3 million Mexicans illegals originally discussed, for the 6 million Mexican illegals who are here, or for the 9 to 11 million total number of illegal aliens who are now believed to be here. The word "amnesty" was regularly used throughout the last several months of discussions with Mexico and in the press. Not until the administration stated floating it to Congress and the Republicans in the last couple of weeks—and watching it sink—did anyone stop using the word.

The current alternatives to the A-word include "guest-worker program," "regularization" and "earned adjustment."

174 mama winger  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:07:21pm

#170 3 Wood

The Cubs went into the bottom of the ninth beating the Mets 5 - 1.

They lost 6 - 5.


I just saw it.

Un - poopin - believable.

175 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:08:17pm

#165 Mandy

I give Chavez two years before he's hanging outside a gas station, a la' Mussolini.

176 DP111  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:09:00pm

141 Silhouette

In the stories, a tract titled "Men of Peace?" says Islamic fundamentalists who commit terrorist acts are not "bad Muslims" but "very good Muslims" who act in accordance with their religion. Another tract, titled "Allah Has No Son," says Allah is not God, Muhammad was no prophet and the Koran is not the word of God. Allah is the Arabic word for God, and Muslims believe they worship the same God as Christians and Jews.

Can't see anything wrong with that. Hamza himself said in his defence, that Jihad was doing what allah commanded in the koran. However, so strong is the prescription that Islam is the religion of peace, and so vigorously has it taken hold in the public body, that even the prosecution refused to accept this, and contradicted the good sheikh on his understanding of the koran. God help us.

177 realwest  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:09:11pm

CHARLES - I shut off 'puter before I went to the doc's office today and when I came back I had to log in again (I didn't log out and I had checked the remember me box). Are we gonna have to Log In everytime we go off LGF or shut down computer?

178 Digger Dan  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:09:26pm

#109 DP111:

"this is the kind of thing the Bush administration should have been doing from the start, instead of apologising for this and that"

Exactly! Communication has been Bush's downfall. He understands perfectly, but cannot communicate. There's no reason, other than lack of training, that Bush should end up being continually portrayed as a dummy.

Bush has been caught in a media war far greater than a ground war. When Bush's time is up, we should be able to learn from our mistakes by electing someone with the debating skills of Bolton. Bolton would be my choice for 2008 (unless he's been divorced several times or has drug addict kids or is shacked up with his secretary or has done something really naughty in Mexico).

179 StinkHammer  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:10:39pm

#171 Killgore

Jonathan Wornick . . . emailed his colleagues with the link, saying it was ‘an honest attempt to bring dialogue’.

Well, there's the problem.

Too true, as "bringing dialogue" is usually Leftspeak for "shut them the fuck up."

180 Jimmah  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:11:03pm

#163 weasel zipper

‘People should not be allowed to spew racist propaganda without others being able to respond,’

Aaargh! Another of these 'criticism of Islam = racism' fuckheads! And what the hell is he talking about by saying "without others being able to respond"? Isn't his comment in itself a response, albeit a thunderously stupid one?

181 MandyManners  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:11:41pm

175 Ward

He's an unmitigated disaster for that country. He's fucking around with the steel industry and now he's fucking around with the very thing that FEEDS people.

182 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:12:56pm

148 Killgore:

"Pro-Zionism Daily Kos"?

Now THAT is rich!

183 William  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:13:11pm

Direct link to the audio (RealPlayer format) here:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

I believe you have to skip past the first 10 minutes to hear the Bolton interview.

184 mama winger  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:14:03pm

#176 DP111

Allah is the Arabic word for God, and Muslims believe they worship the same God as Christians and Jews.

Allah is the Arabic word for Ba'al, and the sons of destruction know damn well who they are worshipping.

185 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:14:15pm

#182 WrathofG-d
Daily Kos, now Zionist occupied!

186 funky chicken  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:14:29pm

Senator Jim DeMint:

“I hope we don't take a thousand page bill written in secret and try to ram it through the Senate in a few days. This is a very important issue for America and we need time to debate it.”
“But the little we do know about the bill is troubling. According to reports, the bill contains a new 'Z-visa' that allows those who entered our country illegally to stay here permanently without ever returning home. This rewards people who broke the law with permanent legal status, and puts them ahead of millions of law-abiding immigrants waiting to come to America. I don't care how you try to spin it, this is amnesty.”

via Michelle Malkin, who has an amusing poll on her site. I voted "hell no"

187 PrimePowerPro  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:14:49pm

166

Thanks, looks like they're bringing up DAT's and arty, too! Woohoo!

188 Pope Insouciance IV  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:15:13pm

We need a Manhattan project to clone John Bolton.

189 Highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:15:15pm

178 Digger Dan 5/17/2007 1:09:26 pm PDT

Exactly! Communication has been Bush's downfall. He understands perfectly, but cannot communicate. There's no reason, other than lack of training, that Bush should end up being continually portrayed as a dummy.

Bush has been caught in a media war far greater than a ground war. When Bush's time is up, we should be able to learn from our mistakes by electing someone with the debating skills of Bolton.

What you said here hits a major bingo with me. Whoever runs for the Republicans MUST be able to work the media...and recognize what is going on behind the scenes within the media.

Perception is everything...unfortunately.

190 funky chicken  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:15:22pm

184 mama LOL well, uh, shucks that was funny

191 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:15:22pm

Oh, and where does this Soros-lover see the "total destruction of American moral authority"? Even the French prefer America to the Islamofascists. Bolton should have called him on that as well, although he still did a great job.

192 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:16:19pm

Bush may hail the malignant immigration reform bill that came out today, but I assure you Republican voters do NOT hail it. To us, the derelict Republican Senators virtually killed the Republican Party (the new third world imports will vote for the Socialist Democrats every time), yet they do it anyway? Risk their own careers? Something SMELLS in the halls of Congress. I don't trust any of those bastards and there is definitely a story behind this story...one I fear is VERY bad for the future of American sovereignty.

193 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:16:42pm

Immigration Bill.

A. Everyone's forming opinions and screaming bloody murder and no one's even read the damn thing (it's 1000 pages).

B. It still needs to pass the House.

C. You'll never be able to deport 13 million people anyway.

/of course it'll never be perfect, but we need to do something, at least read it first before you throw a hissy fit

194 WrathofG-d  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:16:57pm

185 Killgore:

Do you happen to know the "quote" that got the complainer banned?

195 mama winger  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:18:00pm

#186 funky chicken

I heard Tony Snow (thank God he's back) on Rush's show yesterday talking about this bill. From what he said, it sounded like those applying for legal status would have to pay the fine and go to the back of the line, and any infractions would mean deportations.

I haven't followed this closely, so I am not an authority - only repeating what Tony said.

196 funky chicken  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:18:53pm

Jeff Sessions! Still my hero...and Saxby Chambliss too. Yes, the other supposed republican senator from GA is slobbering all over himself to support this amnesty, and has been for a while.

WHY THE REPUBLICANS ARE STAMPEDING TO BACK THIS AMNESTY

The majority of Republican Senators last year voted against the S. 2611 amnesty that passed.

But at a noon meeting today with nearly all GOP Senators, Sen. Kyl outlined the amnesty agreement he had negotiated with Sen. Kennedy. Our sources say only about three Senators raised concerns. Most of the rest were saying things like, "If you think this is a good idea, John, I guess that should be good enough for us."

Pres. Bush and staff have been brilliant in moving Sen. McCain (R-Ariz.) and Sen. Martinez (R-Fla.) into a more secondary role and persuading conservative leader Kyl to lead the negotiations. Kyl is able to lead many Senators to follow him who would otherwise not support an amnesty of any kind.

At the moment, the only Senators whom we feel relatively certain are opposing this new amnesty are Sen. DeMint (R-SC), Enzi (R-Wyo.), Crapo (R-Idaho), Vitter (R-La.), Allard (R-Colo.), Sessions (R-Ala.), Chambliss (R-Ga.), Grassley (R-Iowa)...

[Link: www.michellemalkin.com...]

197 Dustoff-507  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:19:24pm

#173 Funky Chicken


Yes I know that GW is not the GOP. But because he is the Prez, he has much control over it.
Remember him pushing to save/reelect Spector. What a stinking mistake that was for all our us. That guy is just like McCain.

You just watch out border control guys get flooded when he goes to sign it.
My party has just shot itself in the foot with a SHOTGUN...

198 Catttt  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:19:39pm

I'm getting depressed by the linked stories.

Sigh.

I think I'll listen to Ambassador Bolton again to cheer myself up, dammit.

199 DP111  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:19:40pm

163 WeaselZipper Thanks for the link.

British stand-up has been accused of spreading ‘racist hate speech’ in California.
Pat Condell has faced a barrage of criticism after links to his anti-Muslim monologue on YouTube were circulated to commissioners in the city of Berkeley.

In the five-minute video, Condell condemns Islam as a religion of war and its prophet Mohammad as ‘some rambling ancient desert nomad with a psychological disorder’.

He attacks fundamentalist men as ‘primitive pigs whose only achievement in life is to be born with a penis is one hand and a Koran in the second’ and accuses women who wear veils of their own will of being ‘mentally ill’.

‘If God had intended for you to cover your face then in His wisdom He would have provided you with a flap of skin for the purpose,’ he said.

Jonathan Wornick, who is on the ‘peace and justice commission’ adivisng Berkeley city council emailed his colleagues with the link, saying it was ‘an honest attempt to bring dialogue’.

But his actions have caused a political storm. Commissioner Michael Sherman said Condell’s views were ‘stunning’ because of his ‘stereotyping and bigotry of the tone and the language’.
And commissioner Elliot Cohen called the tape ‘insulting, degenerating and racist’.

‘People should not be allowed to spew racist propaganda without others being able to respond,’ Cohen said. ‘It’s not about free speech - it’s hate speech.’

Michael Sherman and Elliot Cohen should listen to what Muslims are saying all the time, from one end of the Islamic world to the other, and even here in the UK. And they are not joking.

More power to Pat Condell.

200 funky chicken  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:20:47pm

195 mama Rush was all over that today. Snow gave the old "Snow job" to Limbaugh. Rush was pissed today.

Snow did the same thing to Laura Ingraham a couple of months ago over the jailed border patrol agents. She was really, really pissed and vented on her show.

201 daughter of patriots  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:21:40pm
America is often portrayed as an ignorant, unsophisticated sort of place, full of bible bashers and ruled to a dangerous extent by trashy television, superstition and religious bigotry, a place lacking in respect for evidence based knowledge. I know that is how it is portrayed because I have done my bit to paint that picture…
-BBC’s Wash DC correspondent Justin Webb

To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed…
-George Orwell, 1984

202 tfc3rid  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:21:50pm

3 wood, mama winger...

Ahhh... I was in a meeting I come back and check the score and see my beloved New York Metropolitans win... Wow...

Sorry for your Cubbies... I do think they are a pretty tough team... Fix up that buillpen and they win 3 of 4.

203 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:21:52pm

Like the part about none of these so called "amnesty" provisions taking effect until the border is certified as secure.

/again, read it

204 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:22:41pm

"The Great Neo-Con Adventure", who writes this shit? Do they have an Emotion-Laden Meme generator somewhere?

I can't believe that guy invoked the Unholy Name of Soros as an example of anything worth invoking... LOL. Literally - Bolton laughed, and rightfully so. He might as well have asked about Noam Chomsky.

205 Dustoff-507  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:22:54pm

#193 Killen

/

of course it'll never be perfect, but we need to do something, at least read it first before you throw a hissy fit

Sorry buddy, but if Kenndy is all for it... WERE IN BAD BIG TROUBLE!

206 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:22:59pm

#194 WrathofG-d
He's the one who posted a neo-nazi video last month but they didn't ban him then, I think they're just cleaning house over there to get rid of some terror supporters and anti-Semites.

207 ferris  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:23:00pm

The only thing Bolton could have done better is when asked the about the "great neo-con adventure", would have been to say, "I'll answer that if you can correctly define the term 'neo-con'".

The term really has no meaning now other than as a general slur against the muscular use of power in defense of America or freedom. But I would have love to have heard this guys definition.

Other than that...Bolton '08!

208 Dirk Diggler  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:23:04pm

Counterterrorism Blog sums up the national security implications of "Amnesty '07":

And those names of the applicant aliens...those aliens who, for whatever time period they have been “undocumented” (illegal) in the United States, wherein so very many have procured and utilized false and fraudulent identification documents often in false identities...suddenly the Government will accept as true whatever those applicant aliens tell the Government on those applications and in those interviews. An undocumented alien who procured and used false documents would lie? Well, not when applying for genuine status in the US...right? So, we can be absolutely certain of who all these newly legalized persons truly are, correct? Their statements will be truthful and their support documents not fraudulent and false, right? So, when the overburdened CIS personnel...to include those minimally trained contractors...quickly process all those applicant aliens, with the primary mission of reducing the huge case backlog, the American public can feel confident in the integrity of that process that no foreign criminal or terrorist will possibly slip through the system and be granted legal status...a “path to citizenship”...like so many others have during normal immigration times.

Add to the inevitable processing breakdowns will be the inevitable “me too” class action lawsuits. Large segments of excluded illegal alien populations will invariably obtain savvy legal counsel who will initiate Federal Court legal challenges to the law, claiming their clients should also be entitled to the benefits extended to others under the statute. This happened as a result of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, the other supposed one-time only legalization/amnesty, and those lawsuits lasted more than a decade resulting in many tens of thousands more illegal aliens ultimately being allowed to remain in the US. It will surely happen again.

The devil truly is in the details. Conveniently for the politicians on both sides of the aisle pushing for a feel good bill, they are ignoring real world details in all this. If what is being proposed on the Hill becomes law, contrary to what some political leaders claim, there will be significant security risks emanating from the process.

"Significant security risks emanating from the process" is probably understating the danger by an order of magnitude.

209 funky chicken  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:23:32pm

192 stuck the smell is coming from the White House, and has been since, well,

I can't say Clinton was any better than Bush here, so 1992?

I have zero idea if Bush 41 was any better, so hell, it could be 1988.

210 Load Toad  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:24:31pm

Thompson/Bolton '08

211 Willfully Right  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:24:41pm

OT: Immigration fiasco

I may be wrong but I vaguely remember a poll on illegal immigration/amnesty and the vast majority of Americans were not in favor of that. Now tell me this, why are we being ignored? And this is not just a Republican issue many Democrats feels the same way. I'm just totally frustrated and royally ticked! Folks, we're witnessing our culture swirling down the drain.

212 funky chicken  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:25:36pm

203 killian So, who gets to "certify" that the border is "secure?"

Spare me...

Will it be "secured" with "high tech fencing" that doesn't actually have any real fence?

213 Hettie  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:25:52pm

Since he was on the panel of a UK political show I adore him completely. He laughed at the audience's stupidity and said that you people can't be serious in saying that the UK and the US are not democracy.

I would say Bolton for President, but I'm from Central Europe.

214 Colin Nelson  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:27:09pm

#119 DP111

Saw both series and rented the dvds as well. Think I have a "Yes Minister' book somewhere too.

Having worked inside the system (defence) these brilliant shows were a must view.

The reality is however that both State and any other foreign office in the western democracies are chock a block full of liberals or left of centre brain deads who are absolutely shocked that anyone might disagree with anything that all the staff agree on.

Hence Bolton is out of his job at the UN.

215 theheat  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:27:36pm

Bolton needs to ditch the dumb looking glasses and get a real haircut, something that doesn't look like (the late) John Denver visited Donald Trump's stylist. Once he does that, once he becomes less of a target for outward appearance nit-picking, I say run him up the flagpole for pres in 2008. He's great!

America needs someone who can speak, and isn't afraid to boast of America's greatness in an otherwise hostile climate.

216 mama winger  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:27:49pm

#200 funky

195 mama Rush was all over that today. Snow gave the old "Snow job" to Limbaugh. Rush was pissed today.

I didn't hear that. I'll have to read the transcript on Rush.com later on tonight. I think he usually posts his shows after 8 ET or so.

217 abu_garcia  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:27:54pm

My blood pressure won't take listening to that twit.

218 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:29:05pm

Yeah right, they "do it differently" in the UK and he "only asks questions".

He asked leading questions that steered the conversation in a direction he hoped would cast aspersion on the US and Iraq. Typical Leftist dishonesty and Bolton slammed the piss-poor interviewer but good.

219 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:29:20pm
#212 funky chicken

Spare me...

Well, what do you want to do? You got a plan for deporting 13 million people? Maybe start by going door to door in L.A.?

/why don't you spare me, because that ain't never gonna happen

220 mama winger  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:29:21pm

One thing that I heard about the bill that I liked is that welfare and other aid benefits would be cut off for those who could not show they were here legally.

221 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:30:32pm

#192 stuck in ca

No, no, no. They will know that the Republicans along with the Democrats helped them get legal and be grateful. Republicans always beat Democrats in the pandering game.
///


See you next amnesty in 20 years. We cant deport 40 million people ... blah, blah, blah

We just got sold out in a bi-partisan fashion so there's no price to pay for Democrats who will be promptly registering millions of new voters with promises of free stuff. Meanwhile, La Raza and Meecha go to work on the young'ns.

222 Globular Cluster  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:31:55pm
#204 Pawn of the Oppressor 5/17/2007 1:22:41 pm PDT

"The Great Neo-Con Adventure", who writes this shit? Do they have an Emotion-Laden Meme generator somewhere?

I think he means the "Non-Existent Neo-Con Adventure" perpetrated by "Non-Existing Neo-Cons".

Nope, nothing biased in the word "adventure".

223 funky chicken  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:33:31pm

219 killian I'm a build a real fence RIGHT NOW and then we can discuss the rest later gal.

Where in any of my posts on this issue over the last 5 years have you sensed I'm a "deport em all" advocate?

I am not.

Don't build that straw man in front of me, thanks.

224 mama winger  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:33:34pm

The other thing I heard is that employers would have to verify legal status by use of a biometrics card (?), or risk losing their assets.

I'm not sure how I feel about that. (The biometrics bit, I mean. Not employer verification.)

225 3 wood  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:35:38pm

Over at HuffPo they have their usual anti-Semetic article of the day



Israel Targets Hamas With Three Airstrikes

Along with the typical hate or Jews comes these astounding call out's by several posters:


I asked a question, yesterday, which remains unanswered:

Exactly how many missiles are supposed to be fired at Israel before they're allowed to strike back?
By: rand on May 17, 2007 at 01:00pm

and:

Israel, defending yourself is obviously not working. Try the American progressive liberal approach:

1. Blame yourselves and your country for the violence and hatred directed at you.
2. Petition your government to surrender.
3. Despise and hate the brave men and women of your military.
4. Form a coalition with your MSM outlets and the terrorists.
5. Be mad, stay pissed off and hate everyone with an opinion different than yours.
By: jdccc on May 17, 2007 at 01:01pm

Amazing that these were allowed at HuffPo.

226 mama winger  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:36:22pm

My step-father owned a large company in Chicago - a household name. He always employed illegals because they worked hard and for crap wages. If this law had been in effect when he ran the show, things would have been different.

And rightly so. I always resented him doing that.

227 Dustoff-507  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:36:25pm

Killan...

We slam the border shut..
We make it hard to hire them.
They will leave on their own. I know not all, but we must follow our laws or it means nothing.

228 Desert Storm Vet I  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:37:17pm

John Humphreys = Idiotarian of the Month? He could run for Idiotarian of the Year. As for Bolton's responses to this moron's questions, I just about busted a nut laughing.

Bolton for President! No nonsense. No $hitting around. Just pure business.

229 oilbertan  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:38:00pm

I sure do miss that man. Though now that he is no longer part of government he does not have to be so circumspect in his views. How about Bolton on the bottom half of a Rudy or Mitt ticket?

230 Catttt  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:38:00pm

I have an idea:

Ambassador John Bolton for President

Sheriff Joe Arpaio for Attorney General.

231 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:38:39pm

193-

A. Everyone's forming opinions and screaming bloody murder and no one's even read the damn thing (it's 1000 pages).


The little we have heard is ALREADY unworkable and unfair. The rest of it can only go one way...downhill.

Yes, we have to do something...stop the bleeding first. Then enforce immigration laws and remove ALL incentives to stay here. If they don't leave on their own, they can live with the fear of deporation hanging over them. They ARE lawbreakers. Why is it our job to make that easier for them? We have people who come here LEGALLY. Amnesty doesn't improve anything, never has, never will.

232 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:39:31pm
#223 funky chicken

I'm a build a real fence RIGHT NOW and then we can discuss the rest later gal.

And that seems to be exactly the general plan here, secure the border first and then these other provisions kick in.

/at least wait until it passes the House and the two bills get reconciled

233 Simple Voice  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:39:31pm

When I was 10 years old, my heroes were Johnny Bench, Steve Austin and Billy Kilmer.
When I was 19 years old, my heroes were Joe Strummer, Tom Waits and Robert Deniro.
By the time I was 30, I had become a Christian and was done with hero worship.
Now I'm in my early 40's and I have heroes again.
A big "I'm not worthy!" shout out to John Bolton, Victor Davis Hanson and Thomas Sowell!
(By the way, Billy Kilmer
is still my hero.)

234 beavereater  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:39:50pm

From the John Bolton jukebox.

Ohhh, Ive got a lovely boot for a Limey...
A stupid Limey...
A snotty Limey...
Singin kick-im in the balls a penny a pitch!

235 Florida Lady  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:41:49pm

This is what I just wrote to the White House:

"How disgusting. Our country has been sold out today. If you had guts, Mr. President, you would veto any bill giving this amnesty to lawbreakers.

"My husband came through the immigration process legally; later this summer he is eligible to and will proudly apply for citizenship. Why did we spend all of that money and time to do things legally? Because we both love this country and respect its laws & sovereignty.

"Wish I could say the same for you and your administration, the Congress, and all of the illegal aliens that you obviously esteem much more than American citizens.

"The actions of you all demonstrate no respect for the United States. How do we explain this utter disregard by our own government for our country and its laws to our children? The illegal aliens' lack of respect is more understandable.

"It devastates me to say that I now regret I ever voted for you."

Now watch . . . my husband's citizenchip application will be denied.

Oh well . . . I did as conscience dictated.

236 mama winger  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:42:34pm

I have a question. My daughter went to college with a girl whose parents came here from Mexico illegally back in the early 80's. This girl was an infant then, and grew up in America. At the time my daughter knew her, she was a sophomore in college, paying her own way.

What would the procedure be for people like her? Would they have to be deported to a country where they never lived? Could they apply for citizenship? Would they be subject to a fine ?

237 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:42:37pm

203- Killian Bundy

Like the part about none of these so called "amnesty" provisions taking effect until the border is certified as secure.

And you believe that shit? These are the same people who have been looking the other way when it comes to law already! They are never going to secure the border because that does NOT fit their open border agenda. Please! This is a JOKE.

238 Highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:43:21pm

Tancredo Slams Senate Immigration Plan

U.S. Representative Tom Tancredo (R-CO) today criticized the Senate immigration plan penned by Sens. McCain (AZ) and Kennedy (MA) and President Bush.

It's funny how some newsites refer to it as just the kennedy bill, conveniently dropping mccain's name off.

Tancredo concluded, “This amnesty plan will be a slap in the face to hard working Americans and those who have come here to work legally. I just hope Speaker Pelosi keeps her promise to bar amnesty legislation from the House floor.”


I just hope that the house of the cut and runners won't pass it either. I'm not holding my breath though.

239 Highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:43:50pm

237 Stuck-in-CA

I for one..DO NOT!

240 abu_garcia  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:44:14pm

#219 killian bundy

Well, what do you want to do? You got a plan for deporting 13 million people? Maybe start by going door to door in L.A.?


We could damn sure deport every one who gets stopped for speeding, driving drunk, shoplifting, drunk and disorderly, possesion, dealing, working without a green card, fighting, etc. ad nauseum.

If we closed the borders that attrition would go a long way to addressing the problem

241 Dustoff-507  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:44:25pm

#232 Killen


Didn't we already give money for the fence?
I believe yes, and how manys miles are built?
Only two miles from what I've read.

sorry but I see nothing but a shell game going on.

242 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:45:26pm

209- funky chicken

192 stuck
the smell is coming from the White House, and has been since, well,


that does NOT explain why these Senators are risking their careers to go along with Bush. Bush is finished, he's a lame duck President. These guys have to RUN again. Yet they go against the voters? I'm telling you...it doesn't add up on the surface. Something is in play we have NO idea about...and they don't WANT us to know for good reason. Because it's worse than what we are already angry about.

243 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:46:32pm
#237 Stuck-in-CA

And you believe that shit? These are the same people who have been looking the other way when it comes to law already! They are never going to secure the border because that does NOT fit their open border agenda. Please! This is a JOKE.

Then what difference does this bill make anyway?

/I give up

244 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:47:06pm
#193 Killian

Immigration Bill.

A. Everyone's forming opinions and screaming bloody murder and no one's even read the damn thing (it's 1000 pages).

B. It still needs to pass the House.

C. You'll never be able to deport 13 million people anyway.

/of course it'll never be perfect, but we need to do something, at least read it first before you throw a hissy fit

Okay it puts all kinds of limitations on people here illegally if they want to get citizenship. Pay a fine, etc. Basically, your going to need to create a new govt. department just to handle this bill. Hello patronage and new Dem voters in Gov. union. It will eventually turn into amnesty when all the whining about how onerous it is starts.

Its a red herring. They dont want to enforce the border and this is just another head fake. We've seen it before. The second generation are all U.S. citizens and anchors in the U.S. and that's the real goal.

245 mad_scientist  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:47:10pm

The only problem I have with amnesty is that we will be RIGHT BACK IN THIS SAME SITUATION IN 20 years, maybe less.

They say they will secure the border first? I want to know EXACTLY how they plan to do it...because if it is not solid, we will be back in the same situation again and forced to naturalize 40 million next time...

WE CANT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. If the border is not sealed, this amnesty cannot go through.

Also, there is a provision that says that to get the Z-Visa, the illegal must pay a $5000 fine. WTF? Does anyone in their right mind think that anymore than 5% of illegals can afford that (probably less)

246 Dustoff-507  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:47:42pm

Plus how many cites have told their police to NOT report illegals.

I would like to know just how many "holes" are in this bill.

247 mama winger  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:47:54pm

#240 abu

We could damn sure deport every one who gets stopped for speeding, driving drunk, shoplifting, drunk and disorderly, possesion, dealing, working without a green card, fighting, etc. ad nauseum

I think that is actually a part of this bill. Not sure.

248 friarstale  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:47:58pm

man, I loved the part when Bolton laughs right in the Beeber's face
what a guy!

249 xgaijin  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:48:11pm

Anyone who wants amnesty for people whose first actions in coming here was to break the law ought to publicly advocate the burning of all passports and should himslef travel to a foreign country without benefit of said passport and then make untold demands on that country's social services etc. If anyone can come up with a term, analogous to chicken hawk, which fits such a person as I have just described, please post it.

250 tfc3rid  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:48:32pm

Do these Senators really think that this is what the american people want?

If so, they are damn naive...

We don't want this, we don't want them out and border enforced... Period...

Now is the time for Senators who oppose this to leave the Republican party and form a new party...

251 mama winger  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:50:36pm

I keep getting involuntarily logged out. Someone is trying to tell me something ...

252 Highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:51:26pm

Anyone find a list for these sell outs? I'm looking all over and can't find it.

I know for sure mccain voted for it since he helped put the bill together and some force out there doesn't want his name to be associated with it because on most of the bs I read today anyway...the bill was associated with kennedy..only a few sources said mccain too.

253 Escovado  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:51:29pm
#193 Killian Bundy

Immigration Bill.

A. Everyone's forming opinions and screaming bloody murder and no one's even read the damn thing (it's 1000 pages).

B. It still needs to pass the House.

C. You'll never be able to deport 13 million people anyway.

/of course it'll never be perfect, but we need to do something, at least read it first before you throw a hissy fit

A. The problem is that most of the pols who will be voting for this bill have no idea what it says either!

B. Some hope here, still.

C. Yes, you can deport 13 million people by making most of them deport themselves:

1) Enforce the laws already on the books by fining and/or imprisoning the people who employ the illegal aliens in the first place. This is what is attracting them here. Only 1% of the illegals are actually working in agriculture. The rest of them are either crowding our prisons or are taking jobs away from our own working poor (e.g. the construction industry).

2) Deny all but genuine emergency services to illegals who are bankrupting our hospitals with all the "free" medical care they are receiving now.

3) Deny the welfare and education benefits the illegals are getting at taxpayer expense.

4) Remove the "anchor baby" loophole in the constitution.

5) The Matricula Consular Card is a sham ID that is not accepted by any Mexican financial institutions. Hold our own banking institutions to the same standards to prevent illegals from opening accounts and obtaining home loans. When the majority of them default on their loans, the US taxpayer will get stuck with the bill.

Do those five things and 90% of the illegals will go back to their homes in Mexico on their own. The rest can be rounded up and deported.

Giving amnesty to the illegals will produce the same result the amnesty of 1986: a tidal wave of more illegal immigration. Heck, the immigration service is still processing the amnesty applications from 1986!

254 humanity  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:51:37pm
255 Dustoff-507  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:51:45pm

Killen

Please don't get us wrong, but like many here, were just tired of the BS when it comes to this bill and not inculding how much Kenndy likes it.
Be afraid, be very afraid!

256 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:51:51pm

232- Killian B


And that seems to be exactly the general plan here, secure the border first and then these other provisions kick in.

No offense, but please! They already passed a bill to build 750 miles of fence. They have built 2 miles. They aren't building any fence and they will NEVER secure the borders. The Chinese built a wall the DAY after the No.Koreans launched their missile test. If a nation wants to secure it's border, it does. Ergo...

257 tfc3rid  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:52:11pm

This is precisely what the Dems want to win the White House back...

258 Hot Rod Kid  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:52:21pm

#219 Killian

We could start with enforcing the laws that already exist such as fining companies and businesses that hire illegals. Then triple the fines and give these greedy businessmen and corporations prison time. (OK, special legislation for farm workers.)

I don't buy that line "Well, they're already here..." Our parish priest tried to sell us that and I didn't buy it from him, either. I know what the illegal immigration enterprise did to fucking up wages and working conditions in the meat packing plants in Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota. And I know what it's like to have your identity stolen from illegal immigrants.

This is all about the Republicans bending over for the Latino vote and the Democrats dream of Open Borders and the Worker's Paradise.

Hissy fit? I don't think so.

259 Highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:53:28pm

257 tfc3rid 5/17/2007 1:52:11 pm PDT

This is precisely what the Dems want to win the White House back...


Smart tactic.

260 mad_scientist  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:54:07pm

#250tfc3rid

Do these Senators really think that this is what the american people want?

I really dont think they care. For every person that doesnt vote for them because of this, they are thinking about a huge new voting block of the newly legalized illegals.

But what these idiotic republicans do not grasp (unfathomably) is that 90% of this new Mexican/American/Amnesty crowd will vote Democrat...

261 SeafoodGumbo  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:55:13pm

Here's a transcription of the interview. There may be some mistakes because I can't do a final edit, but probably not too many (I hope)...

BBC: Tony Blair is in Washington, his last meeting today with President Bush as Prime Minister. It's been a close relationship, far too close for many people. How will Gordon Brown handle it? I'll be talking to one of the more controversial figures in Mr. Bush's administration over the years, John Bolton. Mr. Bush appointed Mr. Bolton to be his Ambassador to the United Nations, but the Senate refused to ratify him and he had to resign. I'll be talking to him about America's foreign policy in the final 18 months of the Bush Presidency, and about the Bush-Brown relationship.

Bolton: Whenever leaders change they have to establish a new personal and political relationship. Prime Minister Blair had an excellent relationship with Bill Clinton and many people thought he would not be able to establish something that close with George Bush, and yet he did. I think the real issue, uh, is whether the Brown government will continue a strong stand on the War on Terrorism in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere.

BBC: He may see the threat that Mr. Blair saw. He may also feel and certainly if he accepts a lot ot the advice he's getting, he may also feel that our approach to it, driven by the United States, has been profoundly mistaken.

Bolton: I think it's been a shared decision on things like Iraq in particular, and if he chooses to reverse Prime Minister Blair's policy, he's obviously free to do that. I think that would be a mistake.

BBC: But then you thought it was a mistake the fall of the British Ambassador, Mr. Greenzog to behave the way he did.

Bolton: Well, I thought that the approach to Security Council resolutions that the U.K. took before the overthrow of Saddam was incorrect. Yes, that's right.

BBC: Because?

Bolton: Because I don't think there was any need to go back to the Security Council. I think we had full authority to the extent of the Security Council matters from Iraq's continued breaches of Resolution 687, the so-called Cease Fire Resolution from 1991, and when the cease fire was broken obviously the original authorization to use force returns.

BBC: But you said in The Telegraph that ?Scaren Greenstock? worked to undermine Mr. Blair's American stance in the United Nations and you suggested that he did so with the support of the Foreign
Office.

Bolton: I haven't seen the interview in print, but I think there have been a number of occasions where the Foreign Office wasn't carrying through on what Prime Minister Blair's policies, just as often happens in the United States, the State Department is not loyal to the President's policy.

BBC: And you believe that that continues to be the case?

Bolton: I think in several respects, yes, I think that this is a real problem in both democratic theory and of institutional compliance with democratic mandates in Washington and in London.

BBC: You don't believe that Foreign Office professionals have a responsibility to advise their political masters?

Bolton: I think they can advise us if they want. I think the real responsibility is to follow orders when they're given clear orders, which they often do not do.

BBC: And you have evidence of that?

Bolton: Repeated experience for over 25 years in American foreign policy whee I've seen it in operation, including being told on a number of occasions by British staffers that their ambassadors were not following instructions from London.

BBC: Do you believe that that is continuing?

Bolton: Oh I don't think there's any question about it.

262 jenv  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:55:35pm

#147

I guarantee that all those artifacts are going to be destroyed, just like they destroyed those Buddhist statues. It is semi-official policy in Islamic countries to ignore and destroy the history and artifacts of jahiliyya ("pre-Islamic period of ignorance").

263 Dirk Diggler  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:56:23pm

I'm for deporting Cubs fans.

264 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:56:30pm

243- Killian B

Then what difference does this bill make anyway?

It doesn't make any difference to the illegals who are HERE (since the govt will never deport them), but it will bring in even more. The whole thing is a bad joke.

265 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, May 17, 2007 1:58:36pm

245- mad scientist

Also, there is a provision that says that to get the Z-Visa, the illegal must pay a $5000 fine. WTF? Does anyone in their right mind think that anymore than 5% of illegals can afford that (probably less)

I'm sure somewhere in the fine print, we will learn that the taxpayers will be subsidizing THAT TOO.

266 abolitionist  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:00:01pm

Ok, this may seem quite Off-Topic, but it's actually UN-related.

New ‘War Czar’, Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute, Advocated Troop Withdrawals
Transcript accompanying this Jan 2006 interview w/ Charlie Rose is incomplete, but here's a taste:

DOUGLAS LUTE: Whatever the political arguments, Charlie, there are at least two good operational reasons that we would like to see a smaller, lighter, less prominent U.S. force structure in Iraq. One is this perception of occupation that a large American force brings with it. Today, there are about 140,000 American troops on the ground in Iraq. We would like to bring that down and undercut the enemy propaganda that in fact we have designs on Iraqi resources or Iraqi bases and so forth, and that in fact we`re really just masquerading as an occupation force. So we want to undercut that perception.

Undercut the enemy propaganda. Excuse me? How is dancing to enemy propaganda a winning strategy? For us I mean.

I said UN-related...
Pentagon general to be 'war czar'

He is married to Jane Holl Lute, a former U.S. Army officer, who is now the assistant secretary-general for peacekeeping operations at the
United Nations
267 funky chicken  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:00:24pm

258 hot rod kid Yes, a man used to be able to support a family working in those plants. Not any more, unless that family is willing to live 30 to a 1500 square foot house "mexican style."

The same is happening to a lot of construction trades now.

The GOP politicians have to be getting something for committing political suicide here, but I just can't see what.

Bush has been pro-amnesty for years, and got elected twice to POTUS, so maybe the rest of these jokers think it won't cost them either.

I don't think they will have the great fortune to be running against Al Gore or John Querrie.

268 tfc3rid  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:00:24pm

The Dems see that the Republican party is splintered (see how some of us are saying that we never will vote Republican again or vote incumbents out of office) will only give the Dems stronger control over Congress and will surely give them the White House...

269 abolitionist  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:00:52pm

Keynote Speaker: Dr. Jane Holl Lute
Executive Director, Role of the America Military Power (RAMP), Association of the United States Army
June 6, 2000

Jane Holl Lute, Executive Vice President and COO, United Nations Foundation: Interdependence in the 21st Century

PND: The United Nations Foundation was established in 1997 with a gift of $1 billion over ten years from Ted Turner. In creating the foundation, Turner clearly was making a statement. What was it, and for whom was it intended?

JHL: I think people may underestimate the genuine impulse that drove Ted Turner to make his gift. As he said when he made it, he wanted to do something that was meaningful and reflective of his own values and priorities. And at some level, it was a statement about those values, and about himself, and about his belief that people of privilege and means should do what they can to help others. I also think it was, elegantly and simply, a statement to all of us, that to those whom much is given, much is expected — and certainly that much more can be done.

PND: Is Turner involved in the day-to-day activities of the foundation?

JHL: Well, he's chairman of the board and, as such, engages in the broad governance of the foundation.

SECRETARY-GENERAL APPOINTS JANE HOLL LUTE OF UNITED STATES AS ASSISTANT SECRETARY-GENERAL FOR PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS

Video: ASG Jane Holl Lute Talks About Women, UN Peacekeeping

Interview with Jane Holl Lute

Guest blogger: Jane Holl Lute | UN Assistant Secretary General for Peacekeeping Operations

Not many people know this, but the United Nations’ peacekeeping force represents the world's second largest deployed military operational presence in the world.

Skeered yet?

270 Durendal  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:01:12pm

very impressed...glad to see i'm not the only one who wants to disband the treacherous state dept. too bad we didn't get to hear much from him when he was in the spotlight. hope to hear much more from Bolton in the future!


btw is that Hitchens interviewing him?...rofl

271 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:01:27pm

#263 DD

I'm for deporting Cubs fans.

Without the Cubs how will you know when the Apocolypse is coming?

272 SeafoodGumbo  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:01:44pm

---continued---

BBC: And the effect of that is what?

Bolton: Well I think it's a pernicious effect on the U.S.-U.K. relationship and that's one reason why the dealings between the Prime Minister and the President are so important and why I think Prime Minister Blair did have a profound effect on President Bush's thinking in a number of respects.

BBC What should his thinking be on Iran?

Bolton: I think that we now have, after nearly four years of the EU3 effort to negotiate Iran out of its nuclear program, we now have conclusive proof that they're not going to be chatted out of it. They're determined to proceed, they've mastered many of the technical obstacles they had encountered previously, and they're moving towards complete domestic mastery over the nuclear fuel cycle. What that tells me is that only pressure will work, up to and including regime change if need be and, as a last resort, the use of force.

BBC: What sort of force?

Bolton: I think the force you could contemplate would be destroying one or more links in Iran's nuclear fuel facilities to prevent them from accomplishing what they need to do to get highly enriched uranium or plutonium that they could weaponize.

BBC: Haven't we learned anything from Iraq?

Bolton: I think that what we learned from Iraq is that we have overthrown one regime that was a threat to international peace and security, but I dno't think the unfortunate situation we see in Iraq today is an argument against the use of force, if need be, to overthrow an incumbent regime like Saddam's.

BBC: And do you believe that the Middle East is a safer place now than it was before Saddam Hussein was overthrown?

Bolton: I think that the foundations for a more secure place are there. You have to look at the circumstances, for example, after Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. When we responed, on could say that the Pacific was a more dangerous place, but we were onto making it a far safer place.

BBC: And how many more people must die in Iraq before you begin to have any second thoughts about this?

Bolton: Well, I think that's a question largely for the Iraqis themselves.

BBC: So, we go into a country, we destroy everything that existed in that country...

Bolton (interrupting): Well that's just flatly wrong. That's just flatly wrong.

BBC: Which part is wrong?

Bolton: That we destroyed everything in the country. What we destroyed was the Baath Party dictatorship.

BBC: We destroyed all the institutions is the point I was making.

Bolton: They, they...C'mon now – the fact is that the ministries, The Ministry of Agriculture and others below the political leve,l continuted their work. The instrument that we destoryed, much as in the case of Communist parties around the world or Nazi or Fascist parties, was we destroyed the Baath Party. That's an entirely good thing.

BBC: We demobilized the army, we send home, we send home hundreds of thousands of soldiers with nothing better to do than go and shoot each other.

Bolton: The conduct of affarirs after Saddam leaves a lot to be desired. There's no doubt about that. But that does not go to the antecedant question about whether it was right to overthrow Saddam.

BBC: Really?

Bolton: Of course not.

BBC: You mean to say that the greatest power that the world has ever seen can march into a country and destroy the existing institutions and then say, “Look if it all goes wrong afterwards, don't blame us”?

Bolton: Of course that's, of course that's not what I said. Wqhat I said was we had overthrown Saddam
Hussein which was the right thing to do. I think, in retroscpect, what we should have done is turn more authority over to Iraqis earlier.

273 funky chicken  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:02:32pm

268 tfc3rid Limbaugh said today that if this makes it into law the GOP is finished for 2008. He said the base won't trust the bastards to do what we want anyway, so why go out to vote or donate to any candidates?

Jeff Sessions and Saxby Chambliss are still on the good list.

It seems Senator Kyl has chosen to jump off...and it makes zero sense to me why he would do it.

274 Dirk Diggler  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:05:00pm
Without the Cubs how will you know when the Apocalypse is coming?

The Texas Rangers will win a playoff series.

275 SeafoodGumbo  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:06:23pm

---continued---

BBC: Isn't the political reality that because of Iraq, and because of the massive damage it has done to America's moral authority in the world, what you want to do in Iran, whether or not there's the support for it ultimately, cannot be done. It simply can't be done because America is now, in this sense at least, a busted flush.

Bolton: You're absolutely wrong. I don't think there's any sense of that in the United States which is the place that it really matters, and those people who hold...

BBC: Have you looked at President Bush's latest poll ratings?

Bolton: I'm talking about the country's view of its role in the world as a whole. And the people who express the point of view you just expressed I think were largely anti-American beforehand anyway.


BBC: People like George Soros?

Bolton: Are you kidding me? This is a man of the extreme left. I'm sure you would find a great deal in common with him, as would many others on the Continenet. But that is not anywhere close to the view of the majority of the American people -- whatever President Bush's current poll ratings.

BBC: Do you make the assumption then that because one asks questions, perfectly valid questions about the conduct of American policy, that one is on the extreme left?

Bolton: I can see it from the content of your questions and the perspective from which you're coming, and from the direction that your questions are taken. If you tell me that you're a conservative, I'd be happy to accept it.

BBC: I would tell you that I'm neither conservative nor left-wing nor right-wing nor middle-wing because...

Bolton: You have no views at all? Your brain is empty, you have no views at all (laughing)...

BBC: I have an awful lot of views, Ambassador, a view for every subject under the sun but I don't express them during the course of my interviews – I ask questions.

---hard to get exactly correct transcription here as they go back and forth quickly---

Bolton: Oh they're your questions

BBC: That's what interviewing is about...Well then you'll know...playing devil's advocate...maybe they...Maybe they don't do it like that in the United States.

Bolton: I know, you're a superior Brit, aren't you? Good for you, sir.

BBC: No, no. We do it differently. Whether we do it better is another matter, but we do it differently here in many respects. But there we are (?), let's put that to one side. Let me suggest this to you, and no doubt you'll call me a member of the extreme when I put this to you as well, which is that the great neocon adventure, a phrase that I suspect you'll reject, is over.

Bolton: Well, I'm not a neocon, number one, but number two, I don't think the neocon adventure is over.

BBC: I suggest that to you because what we're seeing at the moment, and this may be no more than a symbol, but we're seeing the demise of Paul Wolfowitz, the president of the World Bank.

Bolton: I see you're a gravedigger as well. I'm not at all sure I see that demise happening yet.

BBC: You don't think he's fatally flawed?

Bolton: I don't think he's fatally flawed at all. Whether he holds the job or not, I don't know. I think that remains to be seen.

BBC: Ambassador, many thanks.

---THE END---

276 Escovado  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:07:07pm
#267 funky chicken

The same is happening to a lot of construction trades now.

The GOP politicians have to be getting something for committing political suicide here, but I just can't see what.

American citizens are being run out of the consturction trades because the illegal aliens are undercutting their wages. A friend of mine was asked by a contractor, "Why should I hire you when I can hire three Mexicans for the same price?"

The GOP politicians are well-paid by the big corporations who want the cheap labor here to diplace US citizens. That's why they do what they are doing.

277 Maine's Michael  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:07:09pm

Bolton is amazing.

No wonder 'Condi' manipulated events to get him out of competition for Bush's ear.

Let's hope the next republican admin, 10 years from now, has the wisdom to take him on board, and that he's still interested.

The Bush/Rice team's inept and hypocritical performance has buried the republicans.

Maybe Giuliani can pull it off. Maybe. If they give him a chance, and don't hold him to their narrowest definition of what a 'republican' should be.

278 Gringo  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:10:39pm

#47 jayzee
Congress did this nation a great disservice by not giving him the nod. It really is shameful and bad for our country that he is no longer at the UN.
___

It's worse than that. He has no position in the government at all and he's one of the few people our government really needs.
It was a waste of time to send him to the UN other than to give them a taste of a real American and give us some pride when he shot them down. The UN is fatally flawed and anti-American and always will be. Nothing is going to change it. It's a disgrace that our government still gives it credence.

279 Escovado  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:11:41pm

BTW - We need Bolton back!

280 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:12:35pm

#276 Escovado

Its still the Dems leading the charge and the Dems who stand to benefit the most from open borders not the GOP. Voting Dem makes it worse, not better. Why were in this postion now.

Just some stupid GOP pols going along with it hoping not to be labeled racist and getting some cash from restaurant, hotel, agriculture industries is a bonus.

281 EE  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:12:51pm

SeaFoodGumbo
Thanks for that transcript.

BBC: So, we go into a country, we destroy everything that existed in that country...

Bolton (interrupting): Well that's just flatly wrong. That's just flatly wrong.

BBC: Which part is wrong?

Bolton: That we destroyed everything in the country. What we destroyed was the Baath Party dictatorship.

The BBC is under the impression that it is just asking questions, but in fact the "interviewer" is ranting lies. The premise of the "question" is not true.

282 finallyhere  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:14:02pm

#277 Maine's Michael

Let's hope the next republican admin, 10 years from now, has the wisdom to take him on board, and that he's still interested.

Do you think we will still exist in ten years if we have this Democratic Congress and Democratic Administration of Clinton/Obama taking into account WW that is going against us and they do not even understand that it exists? Leave alone being capable to fight it even if they suddenly realize that? Previous Clinton ignored it for 8 years.

283 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:16:45pm

#274 Dirk

The Texas Rangers will win a playoff series.

No, they'll win the World Series. Then you'll know the end is here.

284 mayweed  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:17:08pm

If only this man was the US President right now. If only, if only...

285 jjag  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:18:38pm

No wonder the press and Democrat's hate Bolton; he can kick intellectual ass like nobody else.

Bolton for President!

No, Bolton for EMPEROR!

286 metronil[deleted]  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:18:42pm
287 Escovado  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:18:44pm
#280 dll2000

Its still the Dems leading the charge and the Dems who stand to benefit the most from open borders not the GOP. Voting Dem makes it worse, not better. Why were in this postion now.

Just some stupid GOP pols going along with it hoping not to be labeled racist and getting some cash from restaurant, hotel, agriculture industries is a bonus.

An example of the "stupid GOP pols" who are pushing this amnesty: George W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani. And yet these two cannot do any wrong according to a lot of the commenters here.

Manufacturing and construction is also benfiting big from illegal aliens. And it isn't some cash, it is a lot.

288 Backstaber  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:21:27pm

Go Bolton!

289 Randman  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:22:10pm

I can listen to those last two minutes over and over laughing my ass off. You KNOW that "unbiased" reporter has never had that happen to him.

Bolton for Prez

290 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:23:51pm

I have listened to this clip closely several times. It is fascinating. The tension gradually escalates in the tone of the BBC interviewer until Bolton discards his calm. I don't think Bolton "lost his cool." It really seems more like he consciously discards it. I would not have made the "superior Brit" comment, but it was warranted in response to the BBC interviewer's suggestion that the British media asks more probative questions. I appreciate the fact that Bolton stopped playing the game with this anti-American bigot.

291 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:30:25pm

#287 Escovado

An example of the "stupid GOP pols" who are pushing this amnesty: George W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani. And yet these two cannot do any wrong according to a lot of the commenters here.

Manufacturing and construction is also benfiting big from illegal aliens. And it isn't some cash, it is a lot.


It is a lot of money.

I see A LOT of criticism of George Bush here. I have criticized him a few times on this thread alone.

You are right about Giuliani though, its still early and he is campaigning not a sitting lame duck president. That's the only explanation I have of that. People like that he is strong against terrorism.

I dont think this bill is an amnesty. I think some of the policies in the bill are good immigration policy, such as the preference for professionals over people with no skills (this one had libs furious - shouldnt it be common sense?) Dias mio.

I think nobody trusts the govt. to do what they say and it doesnt give the people what they want, namely border enforcement.

292 EE  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:30:34pm

from the transcript provided by SeafoodGumbo:


BBC: No, no. We do it differently. Whether we do it better is another matter, but we do it differently here in many respects. But there we are (?), let's put that to one side. Let me suggest this to you, and no doubt you'll call me a member of the extreme when I put this to you as well, which is that the great neocon adventure, a phrase that I suspect you'll reject, is over.

Bolton: Well, I'm not a neocon, number one, but number two, I don't think the neocon adventure is over.

BBC: I suggest that to you because what we're seeing at the moment, and this may be no more than a symbol, but we're seeing the demise of Paul Wolfowitz, the president of the World Bank.

Bolton: I see you're a gravedigger as well. I'm not at all sure I see that demise happening yet.

BBC: You don't think he's fatally flawed?

Bolton: I don't think he's fatally flawed at all. Whether he holds the job or not, I don't know. I think that remains to be seen.

What do issues concerning the World Bank have to do with Iraq?

This tying together of two different matters seemingly unrelated confirms that the witch hunt against Wolfowitz by Europe is an effort to get revenge for the Iraq policy.

293 SnakeSpit  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:32:06pm

Wow! Bolton kicked his ass, huh?

294 Militant Bibliophile  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:33:16pm

George Soros?!

Seriously, Bolton is the kind of man they had in mind when they coined the term "public servant." Beautiful, beautiful...

295 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:33:36pm

#291

Ignore Dias mio. Didnt mean to put that in there.

296 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:36:56pm

276- Escovado-

The GOP politicians are well-paid by the big corporations who want the cheap labor here to diplace US citizens. That's why they do what they are doing.

They had better steal as much as they can as fast as they can, because their career in Congress is over.

This is why I support Tancredo/Hunter

Here's Lou Dobbs report:

[Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]

297 SeafoodGumbo  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:37:20pm

#281 EE

Just glad to help. In the section you posted in your #292, there was probably a word left out of the transcription:

Let me suggest this to you, and no doubt you'll call me a member of the extreme left when I put this to you as well,

I'm not positive that he said "extreme left" there, but pretty sure.

298 Highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:38:41pm

287 Escovado

An example of the "stupid GOP pols" who are pushing this amnesty: George W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani. And yet these two cannot do any wrong according to a lot of the commenters here.

I personally always been bothered by Bush's border stance. I guess I don't go out of my way to trash him for all his Presidency because our alternatives were far far worse..but when something specific happens like this, I dont mind commenting against him.

I agree with you about Giuliani. While he has many good points, his weak points make me wonder loudly. If I was advising Giuliani, I'd be having him meet with the NRA to get some enlightenment that saying things like..gun control works and I won't affect anything related to hunters are a bad thing to say if you are running as a Republican. I'd also counsel him after this bill that he better have a chat with Tancredo about the border. He's fairly soft on both of those issues imo and the three go together whether people like it or not...War on Terror/2nd amendment/border control.

Then you have mccain supporters and that just is flooring to me given his love for kennedy in how he votes not to mention his blatant flipping off the public and not showing up to vote for some REAL crucial votes.

299 freetoken  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:40:09pm

I'm suprised the Chatham House paper released today hasn't gotten any play here yet:

[Link: www.chathamhouse.org.uk...] (medium size PDF.)

According to them Iran really is the major external player in Iraq now, and will continue to be. Given Bolton's opinion of Iran and the establishment foreign service, I wonder what sort of action/reaction will happen for Iran's involvement in Iraq.

No wonder oil went up today...

300 gagalbert  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:42:06pm

Outstanding. Bolton for Sec of State in 2009

301 Escovado  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:43:26pm

#291 dll2000

I dont think this bill is an amnesty. I think some of the policies in the bill are good immigration policy, such as the preference for professionals over people with no skills (this one had libs furious - shouldnt it be common sense?) Dias mio.

302 abu_garcia  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:51:10pm

#276 Escovado

The GOP politicians are well-paid by the big corporations who want the cheap labor here to diplace US citizens. That's why they do what they are doing.


That, and they know that the game of economic musical chairs they've been orchestrating is about to come to an end unless they can recruit new players. Hard times might result in a lot of things, but one is certain, large numbers of "incumbents" will cease to encumber.

Job one for a pol is getting re-elected, whatever else is second is a very distant second.

politics, n, from the Greek poli, meaning many, and tics, small blood sucking bugs.

303 gagalbert  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:51:12pm

The lefty media is pushing the image of Giuliani as a liberal on guns, abortion and immigration because they are afraid of him getting the Republican nomination. First, he is not nearly the person the lefties are making him out to be, and second what Republicans will get is someone who does not back down to the Democrats, which, unfortunately Pres Bush has done too often. I support the 2nd Amendment 100% and have been an NRA member and I am not worried for one minute that Rudy will embrace left wing gun control. Rudy is a problem solver and as a manager he is heads and shoulders above the rest of the crew. I love Newt,he is a genius, but he was not a good manager and he folded to the Dems too often when he was Speaker. We need a leader.

304 NoSubmission  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:53:01pm

Giuliani/Bolton 08

305 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, May 17, 2007 2:58:06pm

Mr. Bolton is cut from a weave of cloth this county was stitched, it is the rarest of precious material.

306 freetoken  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:02:29pm

Giuliani/Bolton 08 ?

Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...

Seriously folks, while Bolton may be a good concept guy he is not able to do what politicians must - win friends and try to not make enemies.

Can't see Bolton ever again playing a role in US government... sorry.

2008: Hillary (D) vs. Fred(R) vs. Bloomberg (ind.)

Should be an interesting race.

307 Escovado  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:03:12pm

Bleh...I hit the %#@%^@! post button instead of the preview botton. Sorry! :)

Continuing...

#291 dll2000 -

I dont think this bill is an amnesty.

I respectfully disagree. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. This bill rewards people who have broken our laws and violated our national sovereignty. This is an amnesty bill.

I think some of the policies in the bill are good immigration policy, such as the preference for professionals over people with no skills (this one had libs furious - shouldnt it be common sense?)

This is the infamous H1-B visa program.

I have been a software engineer for 23 years. Many of my colleagues over the years have been laid of and replaced by Indians (Hindus) who were imported via this program. Why hire Americans when you can import cheaper labor?

Bill Gates and company are bald-faced liars when they tell you they can't find enough Americans to fill the high-tech jobs here. The reality is that they can't find enough Americans who can work for nothing.

Welcome to the global economy folks!

The immigration issue was one of the major factors giving the death-blow to ancient Rome. Anyone that has been drinking the Medved / Limbaugh Kool Aide who thinks we will be immune for some reason is dreaming.

And BTW, please don't be tempted to call me a "protectionist" or a "John Bircher" since I am neither.

308 Captain Morgan  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:03:13pm

Fuck you, BBC.

309 infidel4life  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:04:42pm

"Your brain is empty" LMAO!

Interesting how far-left assholes always want to deny their far-leftness.

310 AirForceWife  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:23:33pm

Hot Rod Kid 5/17/2007 11:29:00 am PDT

Superior Brits."

I've travelled the world a bit and met Brits (and other Europeans) who have a false sense of moral and intellectual superiority over the "stupid" Americans.

]


Seems like it would be difficult to feel superior to America when they lost one of their colonies and that colony kicked their ass, then kicked their ass again, then went on to surpass them economically, militarily, and in every other way. Seems like it would be difficult to feel superior when they've lost almost all of their colonies and are now just an island that is letting itself by run over by Muslims.

311 Dr. Manhattan  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:23:56pm

The best part was where Bolton explains why Iran is a threat that requires force as a last resort (due to the inefficacy of diplocacy). You can hear it at 4:10, he quickly reacts with a morbid, hushed tone, and says:

"What sort of force?"

It doesn't take a Bene Gesserit to percieve this guy's take on that. When the reporter later tries to claim total political neutrality, it comes off rather badly, I think. He deserved the "empty" comment.

312 Catttt  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:26:47pm
158 Cattt 5/17/2007 12:56:51 pm PDT (reply to 137 Ward Cleaver)

I think I'll wait to judge it that way until I have a good look at it. Democracy is the art of compromise, after all.

OK, I've had a good look at it. You're right.

313 dll2000  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:27:10pm

#307 Escovado

My only point was if you are going to have immigrants why not have the best and the brightest?

Einstein helped us win a war.

I'm not anti-immigation or anti-Mexican, I just want immigration to be at a point where assilimation to our culture is the norm and not the other way around.

Bill Gates and company are bald-faced liars when they tell you they can't find enough Americans to fill the high-tech jobs here. The reality is that they can't find enough Americans who can work for nothing.


The Indians in our subburbs are making more than me and living in nicer houses so they arent being paid nothing.

I think they better learn that not everything is a bartaring session and they better learn not to screw people who provide them with services and fast. Already, I know people in a lot of local industries that flat refuse to deal with Indians (when they can get away with it) because they dont get paid or dont get paid what was agreed to before the service was provided. Loan officers, mechanics, realtors, land scapers, construction contractors have all told me this.

314 AirForceWife  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:31:04pm

#306 freetoken 5/17/2007 3:02:29 pm PDT


Can't see Bolton ever again playing a role in US government... sorry.

Why? Is it because he's too pro-American? Because he's too articulate? Yea...we can't have anyone like that Washington...LOL.

315 Hot Rod Kid  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:37:22pm

#310 AirForceWife

Yes. You are correct.

Here's another piece of reality that they can't seem to fathom: each occassion when I met a "superior" Brit, we were engaged in a business transaction in which Americans were the buyers. Yes, the "superior" Brit is above the "stupid" American but who does he rely upon in order to make a living? Muslims in Kenya? Nope. Americans.

(I don't mean that all Brits act "superior". Only the twits.)

316 AirForceWife  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:39:23pm

303 gagalbert 5/17/2007 2:51:12 pm PDT


The lefty media is pushing the image of Giuliani as a liberal on guns, abortion and immigration because they are afraid of him getting the Republican nomination.


So...Giuliani didn't ban guns in NY city? He isn't pro-choice? And he isn't for "comprehensive immigration reform" which is PC verbiage for the sell out of our country to Mexico?

317 Highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:44:25pm

303 gagalbert 5/17/2007 2:51:12 pm PDT

The lefty media is pushing the image of Giuliani as a liberal on guns, abortion and immigration because they are afraid of him getting the Republican nomination.


Afraid the media can't be blamed about this...it's in his own words. I even admit that as an NRA supporter and friendly towards Giuliani.

318 Catttt  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:50:58pm

#316 AirForceWife

Oh, sure. Mayor Giuliani is liberal on a lot of those issues. However, the point is that the MSM will push stuff to hurt him that they WOULDN'T push to hurt a Democrat. I think such things have long been a mainstay of journalism, but what - to me - is bad now is that the MSM does NOT do this to Dems/liberals but does do it to Republicans/conservatives. I think Mayor Giuliani draws their fire because he is a hawk, popular, and the front-runner Republican - one who might garner crossover votes from less conservative voters. They want to hurt him in the eyes of conservatives, and hence his other stances are heaven-sent.

319 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:51:29pm

Today's latest Amnesty debacle should remind us that Giuliani is unacceptable because he is an open borders guy. I like him, but he will not enforce our laws either. Period.

320 DP111  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:56:54pm

214 Colin Nelson

Those series were brilliant.
---
There has been a consistent theme in Britain and possibly in the US as well, that the elites have no real patriotism or love of the country they belong to, but have inordinate influence over its future.

GK Chesterton wrote a prescient novel - The Flying Inn, in which the political elite set about turning Britain into an Islamic state by stealth. Must have seemed far fetched at the time he wrote it.

You can download it here

[Link: www.lib-books.com...]

321 kirche  Thu, May 17, 2007 3:57:09pm

i don't think there is a politician or ambassador alive that has the clarity of mind and conviction that bolton has.

he represents and defends the very best of america... the TRUE america that is seldom heard.

i wish he'd run for president.

after he get's a haircut and trims' that overgrown mustache.

on second thought, i'd rather see him keep it.

322 Highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 4:00:06pm

319 Stuck-in-CA

Today's latest Amnesty debacle should remind us that Giuliani is unacceptable because he is an open borders guy. I like him, but he will not enforce our laws either. Period.


yup

323 neoconundrum  Thu, May 17, 2007 4:12:14pm

"John Bolton Rocks!"®

2004 HIMMEL NUTRITION INC.

324 Dom  Thu, May 17, 2007 4:23:49pm

Bolton was basically correct and Humphrys epitomised the worst of BBC agenda-setting. However John Bolton would have been better able to combat this, undermine these hard-left talking points and distinguish them as such had he not personalised matters. He gave a great interview in The Telegraph on the need to be serious with Iran, but missed an opportunity to restate the case here. Bolton has a lot of experience with the BBC - I see him frequently on the news shows - and is probably just fed-up of it and being unusually unguarded. Otherwise I have every respect for him. Radio 4 listeners will not hear that interview in the way LGFers hear it; many take the Beeb's neutrality as a given, or its lack of it as justified. And Radio 4's Today programme is huge, so it's a bit of a shame.

The case Humphrys was making, that after Iraq the response to Iran should be humble and emasculated, is insidious enough to combat on topic.

325 highrise  Thu, May 17, 2007 4:31:10pm

[Link: www.mittromney.com...]

"I strongly oppose today's bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new 'Z-Visa' does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S.

"Today's Senate agreement falls short of the actions needed to both solve our country's illegal immigration problem and also strengthen our legal immigration system. Border security and a reliable employment verification system must be our first priority."

I hope whoever GOP wins 08, that they include Bolton in something. He GETS it.

326 Aussie Infidel  Thu, May 17, 2007 4:31:15pm

You yanks have always had this flaw. Just because some tosser from Oxbridge has a 'plummy ' accent you immediately assume that he has superior knowledge and intellect. Wake up yanks... they are only brits! POMS in Australian venacular. most are plonkers who believe their own class BS. Their ideas are not particularly illuminating or deep... they just make them sould as if they are.


The difference between delivery and content seems lost on you yanks. Get over your fawning inferiority complex in regards to the so called BBC accent. Listen to the content and then give them heaps in reply... even if dows have a yank burr.

We Aussies figured that out a century ago!

327 AirForceWife  Thu, May 17, 2007 4:31:43pm

#315 Hot Rod Kid 5/17/2007 3:37:22 pm PDT


(I don't mean that all Brits act "superior". Only the twits.)

Me either. I'll never forget when I was 20, stationed in Greece and was on vacation in Germany and met some British people that we partied with until dawn. They were military stationed in Germany and had stolen were borrowing a humvee from their base to bar hop in. They took us for a spin, we got lost looking for the nearest still open bar in Germany at 4am in the morning. That night was about some of the best laughs I've ever had in my entire life. The endless jokes poking fun of each other's countries was all in good fun and light hearted. We made fun of the German even more.

328 AirForceWife  Thu, May 17, 2007 4:38:16pm

326 Aussie Infidel 5/17/2007 4:31:15 pm PDT

Just because some tosser from Oxbridge has a 'plummy ' accent you immediately assume that he has superior knowledge and intellect.

Not at all. That accent makes me immediately assume that they wouldn't harm a fly. It makes me think of tea and crumpets.

329 Dom  Thu, May 17, 2007 4:39:34pm

Thanks DP111 (#320).

On that subject can I also recommend Anthony Burgess' 1985.

330 AirForceWife  Thu, May 17, 2007 4:47:48pm

260 mad_scientist 5/17/2007 1:54:07 pm PDT


I really dont think they care. For every person that doesnt vote for them because of this, they are thinking about a huge new voting block of the newly legalized illegals.

But what these idiotic republicans do not grasp (unfathomably) is that 90% of this new Mexican/American/Amnesty crowd will vote Democrat...

No no...there is an easy answer for that. The Republican party will just all be liberal socialists with R's behind their names. We don't need to feel bad about voting for them though because atleast we won't be voting for Democrats.

331 buzzdroid  Thu, May 17, 2007 4:54:42pm

i'm a Brit , and i actually heard this LIVE on bbc radio 4 this morning.

i thought - "GOD - FINALLY somebody has kicked the BBCs santicmonious arse and shoved it where the sun doesnt shine" - and it took an American to do it.

THANK YOU MR BOLTON. you made me smile this morning.

332 WeaselZipper  Thu, May 17, 2007 5:16:30pm

Sorry I had to post a link and screw, family/work called.

Everyone who responded I agree with you 100% (as usual)

333 blackwater man  Thu, May 17, 2007 5:16:49pm

BOLTON ROCKS, and ROLLS!

334 WeaselZipper  Thu, May 17, 2007 5:19:22pm

#333

I bow humbly at the foot of John Bolton, he is a demi-god

335 KSK  Thu, May 17, 2007 5:24:00pm

Well the journalist was right: The U.S. DID destroy the Iraqi institutions

like

torture chambers
shredder factories
Uday's rape rooms

Feel free to add more

336 Hot Rod Kid  Thu, May 17, 2007 5:28:22pm

#327 AirForceWife

I have nothing against the English. I like the Rolling Stones and I even saw the movie, "The Queen." Matter of fact, some of my best acquaintances are Brits.:)

/gotta go. later...

337 Walter E. Wallis  Thu, May 17, 2007 5:37:29pm

Remember, Solzenitzen was sent to the Gulags for refering to Stalin as "Mr.Mustache".

338 kirche  Thu, May 17, 2007 5:41:58pm

#326 aussie

you're way off on this one, tiger. we yanks definitely "get" the brit attitude and handle it nicely in OUR way.

it's the brits who promote this bullshit meme of superiority.

339 Wishbone  Thu, May 17, 2007 5:54:09pm

#338 Kirche

Just out of curiosity: The 'Brits' and their 'Brit attitude'

Which particular 'Brits' are you talking about?

Honestly, I'm fascinated. I have to know.

340 B_Dix  Thu, May 17, 2007 5:56:22pm

#165 Mandy Manners

Sounds like Zimbabwe all over again; take productive land away from those who know how to farm it and give it to "deserving natives" without a clue. Then wonder why productivity drops to zero and inflation jumps to 2000% (and funny, nobody's investing in your country any more).

341 Live4Truth  Thu, May 17, 2007 6:17:42pm

Awesome job by Mr. Bolton. Horrible job by the BBC interviewer.

342 sandrine  Thu, May 17, 2007 6:30:51pm

#236 Mama Winger

Was that a serious question? Once you come illegally you cannot change your status here except through marriage. And deportation is the remedy for being here illegally. And a deportation affects your ability to ever become legal. If no one knows you are here, you can return to home country and try to get a visa to enter. But getting a visa is very difficult. A college degree and an employer qualifies one for an H1b visa which is for 6 years. This new legislation softens the penalty for arriving illegally and instead imposes a $5000. penalty. But it does require the return to home country to pick up visa.

Although I haven't read the legislation, it actually does sound reasonable if you believe that they will stay here and will utilize our schools and health system anyway. By requiring a long waiting period and further requiring that people leave the country to pick up their visas, it will give us a true count of everyone here. The question is do you believe the borders will now become secure? If not, then we encourage more illegals.

On Bolten...and all of you know my views on this administration and Republicans in general...I am supportive. In my mind, Bolten is one of the few exceptions to the venal idiots who are in this administation. He is articulate and logical and believes sincerely in the danger facing us from Islam. In fact, the interview should have continued in more depth. Because I thought Bolten was convincing and should have spent more time systematically going through his points. He let himself be baited and got too hot under the collar and started name calling, which weakened his very strong arguments. There was no need to call the interviewer leftist...it was too predictable and Bolten should have been more clever..but he has a temper. The cooler he remains, the more effective. His arguments are very logical and he should therefore be less defensive...because he can be very persuasive when he is calm. He and Hitchens are some of the clearest thinkers on foreign policy.

343 sandrine  Thu, May 17, 2007 6:44:52pm

P.S. I cannot stand the smug British who are anti semitic to their core. Therefore it is more important for Bolten to remain cool and calculating and logical...and expose the folly of their premises. He must force these people to take their positions to a logical conclusion and then demonstrate their idiocy. To do that, he must remain calm, and in control. He must turn the tables and make the listener examine the consequences of accepting faulty logic.

344 Egfrow  Thu, May 17, 2007 7:07:47pm

There is nothing I can say to make this any better than it was. WoW!

345 WriterMom  Thu, May 17, 2007 7:08:11pm

WOW WOW WOW

I LOVE YOU JOHN BOLTON.

Charles-can you keep this up as a permanent link? It is one of the best audio clips I have ever heard. SO inspiring. He decimated that pompous, antisemitic, anti-American POS.

Anyone know how we can contact Mr. Bolton with words of support and thanks? Couldn't you just hear the sneers through his voice? And Bolton didn't budge.

I must add him to the list of Lizard Men whose children I would be happy to bear. Steyn-VDH-you've got company!

346 Ziggy  Thu, May 17, 2007 7:42:39pm

WOW! I LOVE THAT MAN! The BBC punk probably still thinks he showed Bolton a thing or two, limey asshole (no offense to sane thinking Brits)

347 warnergt  Thu, May 17, 2007 7:48:23pm

For those of you who are having trouble hearing the audio clip, instead of going through that flash player, you can try downloading the mp3 file directly at this link:
http://site2.littlegreenfootballs.com/audio/200705 17BBCBolton.mp3

348 tasteslikechicken  Thu, May 17, 2007 7:53:25pm

Wow.

John Bolton is, quite simply, a genius.

349 rorschach  Thu, May 17, 2007 8:04:08pm

Thanks, Ambassador. I needed that.

350 rorschach  Thu, May 17, 2007 8:05:38pm

Uh, that would be Mr. Ambassador.

351 king of hearts  Thu, May 17, 2007 8:43:50pm

How anyone can take issue with that man representing the USA in an international setting like the UN is simply beyond me.

352 CrazyFool  Thu, May 17, 2007 8:51:21pm

Most excellent interview by Darth Bolton.

He called the obviously biased interviewer on every point. Soros for example. And the 'empty head' quip was excellent!

353 bnolsen  Thu, May 17, 2007 9:00:38pm

The ticket I want is Santorum/Bolton. Although I feel Bolton as VP might be a big waste if there's a more powerful position he could take (maybe cabinet?)

I haven't seen anything yet to make me feel strongly positive about any of the active republican candidates. I haven't looked in detail at them all yet.

Santorum/Bolton !

354 Digger Dan  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:22:36pm

#342 Sandrine

"...and all of you know my views on this administration and Republicans in general..."

I don't mean to burst your bubble, but we don't know who you are, nor your views on anything other than what's in your post. Are you otherwise a famous person or a movie star, perchance?

355 Dartkick  Thu, May 17, 2007 11:26:12pm

Very good interview, and I stress the word, "interview". Say what you will about the presenter, he at least interviews Bolton and Bolton is free to give his answers. There is a real dialogue here. I hope our media can get to this at one point so we as a country can debate real issues and hear what our potential leaders' true thoughts are and not some canned hokum.

356 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Fri, May 18, 2007 12:12:03am

How many times does an American Cowboy have to shove his steel-toed boots into the vulnerable balls of a "british" effete before the receiver discovers that he's no longer able to conceive children?

For those who say God Bless to John Bolton, I salute you.

357 VonStierlitz  Fri, May 18, 2007 12:36:18am

Well. I don't believe in God, but I'll say it anyway, just in case:

God Bless John Bolton !

358 Rufus Lee King  Fri, May 18, 2007 1:06:47am

Another Euro-peon Leftist coward castrating himself with phony neutrality that absolutely nobody fails to see through.

His stiff upper Brit lip will be quivering with rage evermore after being so deftly manhandled by a clearly superior thinker and communicator.

359 chemicalcorpse  Fri, May 18, 2007 3:24:36am

I LOVE THIS GUY!

;)

360 DP111  Fri, May 18, 2007 3:35:41am

329 Dom

You are welcome, and thanks for the link.
---
John Humphreys is quite an intelligent person. The trouble was that in this interview, he came up against a person who was just that bit more intelligent and knowlegable. This was apparant in the way that Bolton was able to read Humphreys mind and had an answer ready before Humphrey had actually thought of the question.

Unfortunately, this can happen to anybody - sometimes you meet more then your match, and the game is over. It is a pity that the interview was a short one. I would have loved to hear an extended one.

361 herekittykitty  Fri, May 18, 2007 3:50:27am

Wow, John, you rock!

362 Niallster  Fri, May 18, 2007 4:18:09am

I will try and explain why John Humphreys gets all humpy when someone calls him left wing but I suspect if you’re not a Brit then you won’t get the full meaning.

Whilst there are many lucrative safe taxpayer funded mink lined playpens for the British middle class such as the NHS and the Foreign Office the BBC is the granddaddy of them all. It is notoriously nepotistic and whilst the Tristrum’s of the BBC many wail in to their cappuccinos about the fate of single black pregnant teenagers who live in shitholes like the Stonebridge Estate up in North London when it comes to a choice between actually giving them a job or the Jocasta’s who have just graduated in media studies from Kingston then I will let you guess who gets the jobs. In addition this media clique all tend to live in the same expensive white outer London suburbs.

The point is that Humphreys lives in and works in a kind of bubble where everyone looks alike and thinks alike. He does believe he is left wing because everyone he talks to believes what he believe and thinks what he thinks. And so he genuinely thinks that he is neither left or right wing but smack in the middle of popular opinion. Hell he may even believe he is dangerously right wing on some issues as he thinks GWB should only be impeached and sentenced to life without parole rather than impeached and hung.

This is why the left media elite in Britain get so annoyed when called left wing. They genuinely can not see that they are.

363 Wishbone  Fri, May 18, 2007 5:44:20am

#362 Niallster

This is why the left media elite in Britain get so annoyed when called left wing. They genuinely can not see that they are.

As grubby as the comparison is, I've noticed over the years that there are instant fireworks when you call a smack-head a 'smack-head'. They don't like it, but fuck 'em. Truth hurts.

364 geoffputerbaugh  Fri, May 18, 2007 5:50:57am

"So, is the great neocon adventure over?"

Alternate answer:

"Perhaps you should ask Nicolas Sarkozy and the French people."

365 DUCKofDEATH  Fri, May 18, 2007 6:12:39am

Man! Bolton had the Leftie's measure in less than 60 seconds!

"Superior Brit"

Really.

Just as you can tell the character of parents by how their children behave, Bolton's superior qualities reflect well on President Bush. (An example demonstrating the opposite qualities: Clinton loses law license...and so does Sandy Berger!)

Certainly it's impossible to imagine Bolton ever stuffing classified briefs in his briefs.

366 warnergt  Fri, May 18, 2007 6:39:20am

Free Frank Warner even has a cartoon depicting the Bolton/Humphrys interview.

Heh.

367 Dom  Fri, May 18, 2007 10:02:42am

DP111 (#360),

But I didn't give a link. Sorry if that would have helped, just I don't know where you can download it free and figured it can be Googled. Here's a link.

368 DP111  Fri, May 18, 2007 4:15:02pm

362 Niallster
The article below confirms what you wrote.

An insiders view of the BBC. This is from ROBIN AITKEN , who was in charge of the Today programme that Humphreys fronts up.

Both allegations were false; I enjoyed my career and never doubted the integrity of my colleagues - they truly believed they were acting impartially, they just didn't recognise their bias.

'Neutral' for BBC journalists is left of centre for everyone else; everything is seen through the distorting prism of the progressive agenda.

As one senior news presenter told me: "Anybody who attacks the Labour Government is always coming from the Left, and the Tories are written off as insane or - if there's the slightest chance of them getting anywhere - evil."

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
---
367 Dom

Thanks again.

369 krauwaif  Sat, May 19, 2007 10:31:04am

Way to go, John Bolton. It's refreshing to hear someone who can raise the quality of debate by merely participating in it. And, as a previous poster noted, it is striking how these "interviewers" do tend to be argumentative proponents, rather than neutral journalists. These self-appointed tribunes of received wisdom deserve a little humility, and Ambassador Bolton certainly gave the twit everything he deserved.


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