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Pew Survey: US Muslims 'Mainstream?'

Tue, May 22, 2007 at 8:50:25 am PDT

A new Pew Research survey on Muslims in the United States is not all bad news: Report Summary: Muslim Americans: Middle Class and Mostly Mainstream.

Overall, Muslim Americans have a generally positive view of the larger society. Most say their communities are excellent or good places to live.

A large majority of Muslim Americans believe that hard work pays off in this society. Fully 71% agree that most people who want to get ahead in the U.S. can make it if they are willing to work hard.

The survey shows that although many Muslims are relative newcomers to the U.S., they are highly assimilated into American society. On balance, they believe that Muslims coming to the U.S. should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society. And by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society.

However, if you look at it the other way around, that last statistic isn’t very comforting at all; nearly a third of Muslim Americans do see a conflict with living in a modern society. In the context of other survey results (see below), it’s rather ominous.

One positive result of the survey is to thoroughly debunk the Islamic advocacy groups’ vastly inflated population claims; although CAIR is notorious for adding another million Muslims to their estimates every year, a realistic estimate is far less than CAIR’s current claim of 7 million:

Based on data from this survey, along with available Census Bureau data on immigrants’ nativity and nationality, the Pew Research Center estimates the total population of Muslims in the United States at 2.35 million.

And although Pew Research headlines their survey as showing Muslims are “middle class and mostly mainstream,” it’s that “mostly” part that’s a problem. Potentially a big problem.

Because there are also some highly disturbing results.

Muslim Americans reject Islamic extremism by larger margins than do Muslim minorities in Western European countries. However, there is somewhat more acceptance of Islamic extremism in some segments of the U.S. Muslim public than others. Fewer native-born African American Muslims than others completely condemn al Qaeda. In addition, younger Muslims in the U.S. are much more likely than older Muslim Americans to say that suicide bombing in the defense of Islam can be at least sometimes justified. Nonetheless, absolute levels of support for Islamic extremism among Muslim Americans are quite low, especially when compared with Muslims around the world.

A majority of Muslim Americans (53%) say it has become more difficult to be a Muslim in the U.S. since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Most also believe that the government “singles out” Muslims for increased surveillance and monitoring.

Relatively few Muslim Americans believe the U.S.-led war on terror is a sincere effort to reduce terrorism, and many doubt that Arabs were responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Just 40% of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks.

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1 Murqtaad  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:52:12am
Most say their communities are excellent or good places to live.

Coming from Afghanistan and Pakistan, I should hope so.

2 Sharmuta  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:52:29am
Just 40% of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks.

60% of them are Truthers.

3 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:52:45am

I agree with Charles, one third of Muslims not liking living in a modern society is scary. We know what they are capable of when they want to bring it down....

4 Abu Maven  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:53:43am

What percent of Muslims believe Jews committed 9/11?

5 Sharmuta  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:54:25am
Fully 71% agree that most people who want to get ahead in the U.S. can make it if they are willing to work hard.

SHHHHH! The democrats don't want us to know that!

6 Shug  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:54:50am
Most also believe that the government “singles out” Muslims for increased surveillance and monitoring.

Obviously none of them spend a whole lot of time at the airport, watching 2 year olds and 98 year old Nuns getting singled out for secondary screening and being frisked from head to toe

7 TMF  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:55:02am
many doubt that Arabs were responsible for the 9/11 attacks

But if arabs did carry them out, it was our fault.

My guess is most of the arabs who agree with suicide attacks are mainly referring to Jew killing (always acceptable)in the land of the evil zionists and less so the killing of Americans, but who knows?

8 godfrey  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:55:21am

How many Muslims does it take to kill 3,000 people?

9 Ben Hur  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:55:54am

It's our fault.

10 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:55:55am
And by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society.

If by "modern", you mean having cars, air conditioning, microwave ovens, etc., well, they're okay with that. As long as it's a caliphate with cars, air conditioning, microwave ovens, etc.

11 sheik yer'mami  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:55:56am

These 2.35 million, does that include the Farraklan movement or is that just the total of immigrant muslims?

12 coquimbojoe  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:55:59am

The 60% not believing it was Moslems is disturbing. More disturbing is the fact that many who believe it was Moslems, also believe we had it coming for supporting Israel.

13 lowcountry  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:56:47am

40% think arabs weren't involved in 911. Oh yeah that sounds moderate. Moderate my ass.

14 Ben Hur  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:57:59am

Paula broke her nose tripping over her dog?

No way.

Either nose job

or

too many meds.

15 lowcountry  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:58:06am

Oops slip of the fingers.

16 Ma Sands  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:58:18am

If you adhere to the maxim that one believes what he wants to believe, then the adverse statistics begin to make sense.....and show exactly how solid is the term "moderate" when aplied to Muslims....

17 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 22, 2007 8:59:04am

#14 Ben Hur

Methinks too many meds.

/rx painkillers

18 friarstale  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:00:01am

Muslims like to mention that they number 1.2 Billion worldwide!

Of course, that means 3.8 Billion of us are non-Muslims...
and I for one am getting a little tired of their Boosheet

19 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:00:10am

Here are the numbers I picked out:

47% think of themselves as Muslims first not Americans

Only 26% think the war on terrorism is "sincere".

about 13% approve of suicide bombings. Among younger Muslims 20% approve of suicide bombings.

15% have a favorable view of al Qaeda.

only 40% think Muslims were involved in 9-11

63% lean towards Democrats

59% think Government should do more to regulate "morality"

20 Ben Hur  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:00:26am

That means 40% believes it was the Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos!

21 AuntAcid  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:00:28am

And now from the Phew Poll - "continue treating the Muslims with deference and give them what they want and everything will be OK...for now."

22 loppyd  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:01:02am
and many doubt that Arabs were responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Just 40% of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks.

Must be the pesky Amish again....

23 Ben Hur  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:01:26am

OK OK

THat means 60% believes it was the Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooos!

24 zinowl  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:01:28am

Sharmuta! Thanks for the relevant stats. Imagine 71% of christians not caring what the remaining christians due to society. Imagine that!

25 Ben Hur  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:01:53am

This study shows that America must change.

26 loppyd  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:02:31am

BEN HUR!

27 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:03:01am

#14 Ben Hur

Although, when I was a kid, I tripped over one of our cats (my fault; I was running on the sidewalk, and the cat crossed my path).

28 Shug  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:03:17am
absolute levels of support for Islamic extremism among Muslim Americans are quite low, especially when compared with Muslims around the world.

sure, only 10-20% of 2.35 million are sympathetic to homicide bombers.

so that's a mere oh say ONE QUARTER TO HALF A MILLION in America.

nothing to see here. Move along

29 Ben Hur  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:03:26am

Must figure in the "they might be listening on the phone" factor.

Or the "This is a CIA/Mossad trick" factor.

30 Fritz_Katz  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:03:31am

OT:

Paleostinian Civil War Watch: Battle of the Beards.

If you have a beard in Gaza, Fatah gunmen will kill you..... if you don't have a beard in Gaza, Hamas gunmen will kill you.

31 wily  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:03:43am

Let's be fair. My wife is Catholic, and I see a "conflict" between some Catholic values and living in a modern society. Nothing will come of the "conflict", so it's not a cause for concern. But technically there is a conflict.

32 astronmr20  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:04:08am

CAIR's numbers are sort of like sales projections.

You see, they HOPE there will be that many more, because that is their goal.

As in,

"conversions."

33 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:04:10am

#25 Ben Hur

This study shows that America must change submit.

There, fixed that for ya.

34 Ben Hur  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:04:27am

LOPPYD

Knuckle Ball my ass.

Does that shit ever work?

35 realwest  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:04:57am

While I believe Charles is right to point out the "minority" or whatever part of this poll, I was more than pleasantly surprised to read:

"A large majority of Muslim Americans believe that hard work pays off in this society. Fully 71% agree that most people who want to get ahead in the U.S. can make it if they are willing to work hard.

The survey shows that although many Muslims are relative newcomers to the U.S., they are highly assimilated into American society. On balance, they believe that Muslims coming to the U.S. should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society. And by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society."
NOT downplaying the real threat, but still it's sorta refreshing to read the material I quoted above.
Regrettably, if the MSM reports this, they won't report the other side of that quoted material.

36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:05:42am
Muslim Americans reject Islamic extremism by larger margins than do Muslim minorities in Western European countries. However, there is somewhat more acceptance of Islamic extremism in some segments of the U.S. Muslim public than others. Fewer native-born African American Muslims than others completely condemn al Qaeda. In addition, younger Muslims in the U.S. are much more likely than older Muslim Americans to say that suicide bombing in the defense of Islam can be at least sometimes justified.

Doesnt anyone raise their kids to be Americans anymore? Its all based on heritage, you're an African-American, you're a Muslim American. Drop the damn prefixes.

37 Ben Hur  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:06:39am
Fully 71% agree that most people who want to get ahead in the U.S. can make it if they are willing to work hard.

The survey shows that although many Muslims are relative newcomers to the U.S., they are highly assimilated into American society. On balance, they believe that Muslims coming to the U.S. should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society. And by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society."


Yet, when asked of Jews should be deported, or if Israel should be wiped off the map.....

38 Iron Fist  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:06:56am

#2 Sharmuta,

60% of them are Truthers.

Sounds like the Democratic Party.
39 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:07:41am

#29 Ben Hur
The questions on Al Qaeda and suicide bombs had about 20-30% respondents refused to answer.

40 mean Gene  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:07:43am

What?
No questions about how many Muslims in the States have been victims of backlash hate crimes?
That would be a good one.
CAIR must not have paid for this poll.

41 daughter of patriots  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:07:59am

And the taqiyah factor. Has that been taken into account, I wonder?

42 Shug  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:08:00am

71% believe in hard work

20% believe in suicide bombers

so, 14.2% of potential suicide bombers are working hard at it

but not to worry, that's only about 300,000 Americans

43 loppyd  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:08:33am

Ben Hur

Knuckle Ball my ass.

LOL!

When he has the stuff he is unhittable, but he was off from the start last night...

44 Killgore Trout  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:08:49am

#5 Sharmuta
I was surprised to see that only 1-2% blamed the Jews for 9-11.

45 Abu Maven  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:10:09am

Actually, I checked the PDF. Only 1% believe 9/11 was carried out by Jews or Israel.

46 loppyd  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:10:19am

{realwest}

Hey there, Handsome!

How's by you?

47 Judith  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:10:37am

This is mostly good news, or at least better news than most people expected and fits my personal experience with Muslims in Canada.

If you have a beard in Gaza, Fatah gunmen will kill you..... if you don't have a beard in Gaza, Hamas gunmen will kill you.

Again, may both sides win.

I am thinking of writing a Sci Fi story based on someone else's idea about putting a very high wall around Gaza with a child sized hole so any child that leaves can be adopted by a member of the Western society and meanwhile throwing lots of guns and ammo over the fence.

48 kafir  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:10:39am

How long will it be, before we get our very own splodeydope? Muslims are angry, at least 30% are. They see justification in murder and mayhem in support of their expansionist worldview.

Which brings us back to "islamophobia". Which is the legitimate fear that followers of islam will, indeed, follow islam, and go all medieval on us.

49 avideditorla.com[deleted]  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:10:48am
50 Ben Hur  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:10:58am

year, the true number is far less than their current claim of 7 million:

Pew Research Center estimates the total population of Muslims in the United States at 2.35 million

Like the Palis.

51 Ben Hur  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:11:52am

LOPPYD

It reminds me of Bugs Bunny pitching.

52 Sharmuta  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:13:34am

38 Iron Fist

#2 Sharmuta,

60% of them are Truthers.


Sounds like the Democratic Party.

LOL- and ron paul supporters.

53 Judith  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:13:44am

We have two new Muslims working in our lab with Hijab, floor length coat and everything but the veil. They won't use the lunch room beacuse men use it. I must admit THEY are creeping me out. Their fellow Muslims here are also being totally creeped out by them so I guess it's okay for me to be creeped out too even though I am a Jew.

Read the Koran, idiots, the hijab isn't there. Mohammed said cover your breasts. He never said anything about hijabs.

54 Ward Cleaver  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:14:09am

Loppyd, Ben Hur

It used to work for Charlie Hough.

55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:14:21am

OT

Iran accuses US academic of plotting 'soft revolution'

A US academic arrested during a family visit to Iran has been accused of trying to overthrow the country's Islamic system, stoking fears of a general crackdown against intellectuals with western ties.

Haleh Esfandiari, the Middle East director at the Woodrow Wilson Centre, a prominent Washington-based thinktank, has been accused by Iran's intelligence ministry of trying to foment a "soft revolution" by forming a network "against the sovereignty of the country".

The accusations come after Mrs Esfandiari - who has dual US and Iranian nationality but has lived in America since 1980 - was arrested and detained in Tehran's notorious Evin prison earlier this month. She had previously been under virtual house arrest for several months, and her detention on May 8 prompted a call by the US secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, for her immediate release.

56 WeaselZipper  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:15:14am

The Lackawanna six member with a $5 million dollar bounty surrendered in Yemen today

Wanted Lackawanna Six Suspect Surrenders in Yemen...

WASHINGTON — A former Lackawanna man with a $5 million price on his head, one of the FBI’s most-sought terrorism suspects, has surrendered to authorities in Yemen, more than a year after tunneling out of a prison there, a spokesman for the Yemeni Embassy said Monday.

57 loppyd  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:15:44am

If 40% think it was not Arabs who carried out 9/11 and 1% blame the Jews, I wonder who the other 39% think is responsible?

58 Iron Fist  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:16:05am

#52 Sharmuta,

Ron Paul is surging. Any minute he'll break into single digits :-)

59 astronmr20  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:16:21am

Iran planning major offensive this summer?

60 astronmr20  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:16:48am

Crap my link did not work:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

61 realwest  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:19:21am

#46 {loppyd} Hi there cutie! (just love it when you call me handsome; course you have no idea what I look like, but I'll take my compliments where I can get 'em! LOL).
I'm feeling just so-so today. tomorrow I gotta go for some new test which involves their injecting radioactive material, then three hours later do what's called a Fine Bone Scan. That takes about an hour. And my gosh, I gotta get up so early to get that injection!
Oh Well.
Hope you're doing well!

62 Iron Fist  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:19:22am

#57 loppyd,

Bush did it :-)

63 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:19:22am

That group in the UK and there planned 'Magnificent 19' celebrations throught Arabs did 9-11.


Heck, some of the 19 even shot 'martyrdom videos'. I've seen snippets on TV, with al Qaeda production people adding in burning tower footage in the background.

64 loppyd  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:19:28am

Ward Cleaver

My nephew is pitching in little league this year and is bent on learning to throw the knuckle ball. Wake is one of his favorites...I'll have to tell him about Hough if my brother hasn't already.

65 Sharmuta  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:19:53am

19 Killgore Trout

59% think Government should do more to regulate "morality"

Because of the koran they don't get the separation of Church and State thing.

66 edinbud  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:20:08am

I see I've been beaten to it but here are some of the figures anyway:

13% said suicide bombings on civilian targets could be justified - 26% amongst younger Muslims (9% "didn't know")

15% said Al-Qaeda was, to some degree, favourable (27% "didn't know")

28% don't believe arabs were involved in 9/11 (32% "didn't know")

42% said there was a conflict between their faith and modern life

60% think of themselves as Muslim first

61% think homosexuality should be "discouraged" (but apparently 63% are Democrats)

39% aren't too concerned about the rise of Islamic extremism in the US

67 loppyd  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:20:51am

Iron Fist

Of course!

[SLAPS HAND ON FOREHEAD]

68 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:21:34am

Technically, I don't think Ron Paul qualifies as a truther. He believes Arabs blew up the WTC and Pentagon, its just that he believes we had it coming to us for liberating Kuwait and supporting Israel.

69 loppyd  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:22:17am

realwest

More poking and prodding at the doc, huh? That stinks...I'll be thinking of you.

Send me an email when you can so we can catch up!

70 Iron Fist  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:23:25am

#68 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet,

Objectively, then, he's pro-Saddam Hussein? Sure sounds like it.

71 aaron  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:24:43am

Page 5 of the PDF

Question: Suicide bombing can be justified...

...Often 8%
...Sometimes 83%
...Rarely/Never 9%

Support for suicide bombing is strongest amongst native-born Muslims (87%) and 'weakest' amongst foreign-born Arab Muslims (78%).

[yep, I have job security for life, no doubt about it]

72 reluctant democrat  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:25:36am

This poll reports what might have been reported in the UK a decade or two ago. When Muslims increase their numbers here, as with the emigration of Somalis, and when the radicalization of mosques by the Saudis is complete, we will have the same problems as the UK does now.

--unless we can nip the radical movement in the bud now, before Wahhabism takes permanent root.

73 Cato  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:25:52am

One aspect of the whole jihadi/suicide bomber question that has received little attention is its romantic nature. A certain segment of any male population in the 16-25 year old age group is willing to off themselves for any seeming cause. With Muslims, since the romantic urge is societally supressed it takes the form of religious extremism. However, let's not forget that when Goethe wrote "The Sorrows of Young Werther", teenagers were throwing themselves off bridges in waves because of ... well, because of some romantic slight.

74 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:27:22am
Just 40% of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks.

That about the same as the percentage of Democrats who believe that Arabs were behind the 9/11 attacks.

75 daughter of patriots  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:27:31am

#53 Judith

..so I guess it's okay for me to be creeped out too even though I am a Jew.

Especially as a Jew! (I'd imagine). When I see a gal in burqa in Boston, besides the thought that she stupidly submits to slavery in a free nation, I perceive a threat to myself. Its no different than swastikas in the 30's, because its a symbol for the type of world these Islamofascists want to impose on the rest of us.

Its encouraging to hear of the other Muslims' reactions. Perhaps they enjoy their freedom.

76 Sharmuta  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:27:48am

58 Iron Fist

Ron Paul is surging. Any minute he'll break into single digits :-)

ROTF! He did come in second on the latest LGF poll- it's a ground sweel, I tell ya.

77 doppelganglander  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:28:32am

#57 loppyd:

If 40% think it was not Arabs who carried out 9/11 and 1% blame the Jews, I wonder who the other 39% think is responsible?

They think it was the Joooooos, too, but they don't want to admit it to a pollster.

78 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:29:11am

Well, if Saddam wasn't already dead, I'm sure Ron Paul would want him back in power...


Too bad Uday and Qusay are also pushing up the daisies.

79 Arrr  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:30:59am

Maybe most of the third who think that being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society are incompatible are non-practicing Muslims who's views are not that far removed from the views proffered on this site?

80 tfc3rid  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:32:35am

Kragar...

That institute that the woman who is accused in Iran is part of is funded by none other than George Soros...

81 jehu  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:33:08am
A majority of Muslim Americans (53%) say it has become more difficult to be a Muslim in the U.S. since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Most also believe that the government “singles out” Muslims for increased surveillance and monitoring.

Like that is wrong? I mean should the sheep just be worried about goats and other sheep? Or how about keeping an eye on the proven wolves, or at least watch the hills from which the wolves descend. The world is heading ever faster to hell.

82 Roger  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:33:10am

#53 Judith

Unfortunately it is in the koran:

Qur'an 33:59 "Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better."
83 realwest  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:33:58am

#69 loppyd - You asked and so I did - please check your e-mail when you get a chance!

84 loppyd  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:33:59am

doppelganglander

They think it was the Joooooos, too, but they don't want to admit it to a pollster.

You are probably right. Same shite, different day.

85 aaron  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:34:44am

um, I think I misread the chart

It's

often/sometimes 8%

rarely/never 83%

dk/refused 9%

Which is a lot better...

86 Muck DeFuslims  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:36:21am

I don't care what any poll supposedly indicates.
Mainstream Muslims are as trustworthy as the Mainstream Media.

I'm one of those bigots that doesn't want to interact with Muslims.

If Mohammed is your prophet and Islam is your faith, I don't trust you, I don't like you, and I prefer not to have anything to do with you.

I'm of the opinion that nothing good can come of trying to assimilate Mohammedans and Islam into American society and culture. And there's no statistic, study, or poll that's going to change my belief.

87 pat  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:36:26am

First, nothing you read from Pew should be believed. This foundation is in the hands of agenda driven leftist academics and politicians. Pew has been found to have repeatedly falsified poll results. The most famous incidence was its poll showing America the most unpopular country in the world. A review of the raw data showed that America was the most popular country.Hmmm
Secondly, even with this spin, it is clear that Islam is a serious problem. 40% are traitors.
Thirdly, Muslims turn on the infidels in a second when the opportunity arises.There is no empathy in Islam. Sex and Violence. This is what Islam is about.

88 WeaselZipper  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:36:58am

lawhawk

Blue Star Chronicles H/T both of us on the Thai video

Muslim Jihadists Strike in Thailand

89 Call me Infidel  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:38:05am

I would like to see the figures broken down by age group. Also I wonder how newer immigrants to the US react. The first wave of immigrants from Pakistan to Britain worked hard generally, but their offspring are not nearly so keen to work. The unemployment figures amongst Pakistani and Bangladeshi "youths" are disgracefully high.

90 j-damn  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:54:30am
#2 Sharmuta 5/22/2007 8:52:29 am PDT

Just 40% of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks.
60% of them are Truthers.

Whoa, what a co-inky-dink. 60% of Democrats are truthers too.

91 George guy  Tue, May 22, 2007 9:59:51am

The thought of 25% of the Muslim population being like that isn't pleasant. That's several hundred thousand in the US, and 3 to 4 hundred million worldwide.

Feels good, doesn't it?

92 Judith  Tue, May 22, 2007 10:17:11am

Roger, you've got to stop using the CAIR translation of the Koran. That is not a proper translation. The proper translation is clearly women are supposed to cover their breasts.

Okay, I freely admit the accepted practice among Muslims in places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, ect is that one interprets the passage to say the hijab is required and thus the CAIR translation reflects that, but just because it is a tradition that predates Mohammed doesn't make it a right one or one he endorsed in the Koran.

93 off with my head  Tue, May 22, 2007 10:19:56am

Come to Minneapolis and see how well they've assimilated. What a bunch of BS.

94 Roger  Tue, May 22, 2007 10:21:55am

#92 Judith

I'm not using CAIR

And it is not about covering just their breasts. Unless they consider them persons.

95 lurking faith  Tue, May 22, 2007 10:36:20am
Just 40% of Muslim Americans say groups of Arabs carried out those attacks.

Looks like they've gone waaaay beyond believing six impossible things before breakfast.

96 Sharmuta  Tue, May 22, 2007 10:44:00am

92 Judith

The proper translation is clearly women are supposed to cover their breasts

I don't see the word "breasts" in three translations of that verse Roger quoted.

koran surah 33

O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali

O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

Translation by Marmaduke Pickthall

O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper, that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Translation by Mohammad Habib Shakir

97 Live4Truth  Tue, May 22, 2007 11:18:55am

Given that "Most believe that the government 'singles out' Muslims for increased surveillance and monitoring", one can fairly question whether all of the moderate responses were genuine. I.e., a fair percentage of radical Muslims may well have given the pollsters more moderate responses, out of fear that it might tip off authorities that they're radicals.

98 Edward Halper  Tue, May 22, 2007 11:33:23am

This survey is quite disturbing. It fully justifies increased scrutiny of Muslims in America.

Denying that 9/11 was done by Arabs is rather like holocaust denial. Neither would be particularly bad in itself were it not invariably followed by something else. The holocaust denier infers that Jews invented the holocaust for their advantage and therefore deserve to die. That is, the thought is: the holocaust did not not occur, and therefore let's bring it about!

Likewise, those who deny 9/11 was done by Arabs draw the inference that it was done by (a) Jews, (b) the US government, or (c) the US government because it is controlled by Jews. And from this they infer that the Jews, America, or both deserve to be destroyed. In other words, the thought is: the Arabs did not do it, and therefore Arabs are justified in 9/11 style attacks on America and Israel!

The thinking is sick, but it reinforces itself. The trick to curing this disease is the refusal to give it any sort of credence--something that the MSM is not going to go along with.

99 Highrise  Tue, May 22, 2007 11:52:33am

I'm still waiting to hear from moderate muslims in the USA to speak out against this. Even Glenn Beck is having a rough time finding them. He even went to the secular islamic summit in April I think and didn't seem to find many...most of the ones he had on his show were ex muslims and I believe he only had 2 muslims..irshad and the stuttering cair rep.

100 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, May 22, 2007 11:55:54am
101 Highrise  Tue, May 22, 2007 11:56:54am

65 Sharmuta 5/22/2007 9:19:53 am PDT


Because of the koran they don't get the separation of Church and State thing.


And they sure don't hide it do they? Even the msm stayed quiet while the Representative ellison gave a speech that outlined to the muslims he was talking to that America needed to shown their kind of justice.

102 Highrise  Tue, May 22, 2007 11:59:55am

100 buzzsawmonkey 5/22/2007 11:55:54 am PDT


That's because moderate Muslims are underground--hidden.

Hehe...and truly I believe this is a very small number of them.....and they are ones that are apostates or don't know what their koran or imam preaches.

We are brainwashed to believe that the extremists are the small number. HAR! An extremist isn't necessarily armed....they can feed the ideology with participation in their communities like them.

103 Highrise  Tue, May 22, 2007 12:01:58pm

96 Sharmuta

If free societies are smart, they will begin to pass laws banning the burka and face coverings in public. I don't give a crap what a cult ideology tries to sell me.

104 stuck-in-ca  Tue, May 22, 2007 12:29:45pm

OT-
World Net Daily has an article about Fred Thompson suggesting that he has globalist leanings just like Bush. [Link: worldnetdaily.com...]

I don't know what to think.

I don't want another globalist in power again. Our national sovereignty has suffered enough under Clinton/Bush. Between NAFTA, the Eminent Domain decision, the building of the Superhighway, and now this insane Amnesty all to create the North American Union.

This is frightening. We never know really who we are voting for until it's too late.

I'm sticking with Tancredo/Hunter. Tancredo isn't in anyone's pocket. He's a patriot.

105 Highrise  Tue, May 22, 2007 12:36:26pm

104 stuck-in-ca

I'm for Hunter and Tancredo too. It is just too bad that most Americans STILL don't get how important it is to know the candidates. My parents watched both debates and they still didn't know who hunter/tancredo were /boggle. They aren't alone either. When I told my dad that hunter was the one that said to the torture question...that he'd grab his secretary of defense and have a 2 min conversation and to Get the Info...my parents go..oh yeah we remember him now.

GRRRRRRR....I'm disgusted with the frontrunners and their sell out on the border...damn disgusted that they don't see that as part of the war on terror. Shameful!

106 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, May 22, 2007 1:14:58pm

105- Highrise

You are so right! Our borders ARE our national security.

And it's hard to know who we are voting for because most of them are career liars. They don't WANT you to know who they are. They know they would get no votes if they were honest. And then of course, WE have to take what they do say more seriously. Bush talked about "a guest worker program" since he ran in 1999. Most of us thought he meant, some orderly way to bring in workers without AMNESTY! We have to do better at reading between the lines.

107 Roger  Tue, May 22, 2007 1:35:46pm

#96 Sharmuta

Albeit covered breasts are a loss yet there would be many fascinating feminine charms tripping about:-)

108 Highrise  Tue, May 22, 2007 1:50:20pm

106 Stuck-in-CA

Even if we could see through Bush's love for the southern border to be open..I keep reminding myself that at theh time of voting..the alternative to Bush left us with no choice really.

109 Stuck-in-CA  Tue, May 22, 2007 2:03:58pm

108 Highrise-

The downfall of our political process continually foists upon us the choice between bad and worse.

I wish I had a time machine to go back to a time when American politicians at least pretended to have America's best interest at heart. :-(

110 Baldy  Wed, May 23, 2007 11:23:28am

The poll is a fraud.

They talked to ME Studies professors to figure out what to ask, and then forgot most relevant questions: What is a civilian? Are Americans who pay taxes to support the US military, or Israels who are drafted, civilians?


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