Paying them to leave will easily be made up for in the cost of non-burnt cars.

(Money talks...)

Interesting, but whats to stop them from sneaking back?

That's an interesting idea.

It's the first good idea a Frenchman has had in decades! Waiting for the "Sarkozy is a racist" ravings from the left in 5, 4, 3...

Sounds good to me. Can we take up a collection to get rid of some of ours too ?

If only we had a government willing to do something like that. Instead, we are going to give amnesty to 12+ million illegals.

Well the democrats plan to pay immigrants to stay if Universal Health Care gets put into place.

Dang, I think I've just found my new career!

Sarkozy for President 2008!

Is France a wellfare state?

I.e. are they also paying them not to leave?

Deportation is cheaper and faster.

Interesting how Spiegel labels the new conservative government a "regime". I dont recall them referring to Chirac's administration as a "regime" before.

If they still need new immigrants so satisfy the tax base (which they will), I'm sure there are tons of people here in the US who will gladly move there.

I mean it. There are plenty of francophiles here and abroad. Ones who wouldn't just complain and tear - down once they got there.

(Movies stars too, if a Republican wins the next presidential!) (Yeah, right.)

Brilliant idea. It won't work, but it may slow France's takeover.

The French, and all of Europe, had better start giving birth to their own babies, and growing their own populations.

Not a bad idea....Unfortunately most of those who leave will just move to England.

This will only cause more immigration. Not only does it make immigration failsafe, but you get to rape a few women, burn some cars, slap around some Europeans and get paid. Islamic heaven.

Small steps first, the best way........

He-e-e-y,there is an Idea we could use. Illegal aliens get $19,000 in free services/yr. we could pay them a few yrs worth to leave and they'd have the money at their original home and save on the m.o. costs.

#15 mama winger 5/24/2007 1:46:16 pm PDT

The French, and all of Europe, had better start giving birth to their own babies, and growing their own populations.

Hi mama winger - too right!

So, let me get this straight, I could by a one way ticket to France, declare myself an illegal immigrant, and then get them to foot the bill home, with a few thousand extra? How many times will they pay me?

Not a bad idea. Maybe we can all chip in and rid this country of some undesirables.

Expensive carrots. How about some cheap sticks, like cutting off the welfare and shipping them home as deck cargo on a submarine?

WTF? Just deport them. It's pretty simple. violate our rules and you'll be on the next plane back to shitholeistan faster than you can say "caliphate".

Nice thought but...

TETT

That the West is so immoral in the eyes of some of these immigrants, it's shocking that they would have to be bribed to leave.

#2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Interesting, but whats to stop them from sneaking back?

My thought, too. Could become a lucrative money-making venture for some wiley immigrants. At least he clearly recognizes a problem and is trying to do something constructive about it.

I agree with it.

But what stops them from heading straight to the Mexico/USA border and sneak in here for amnasty?

Dear President Bush

I am sending you this article in hopes that you will read it, and emulate PM Sarkozy. This would be an excellent start, along with mandatory deportation of all illegals, and immediately, by Presidential edict,ban the automatic citizenship given to any newborn, whose mother or parents are illegal.

With best wishes,

NY Nana

#23 gymnast

deck cargo on a submarine

LOL!

I'm not a regular listener of Sean Hannity but I happen to have him on this afternoon. Good thing, too. He just denounced the various Dem candidates who have agreed to appear at Markos Zuniga's big fling in August, and quoted some choice Kos's postings, including the infamous "screw them" statement. "Why aren't they (Rodent pols) held to account for their associations?" Hannity asks. We've been doing it for years here, but I am very glad to hear it penetrating the mass media market.

From the article :

Hortefeux is also talking tough when it comes to dealing with illegal immigration, insisting that there are no plans for a mass legalization of the estimated 200,000 to 400,000 illegals in France.

The new minister voiced concern that the majority of legal immigration into France was that of existing immigrants bringing in relatives, while only a small proportion were granted visas due to their professional skills.

"To be integrated, you need language skills and a professional activity," he told RFI, and said he is considering introducing a language test to prospective immigrants.

Ay chihuahua!

21 coquimbojoe

So, let me get this straight, I could by a one way ticket to France, declare myself an illegal immigrant, and then get them to foot the bill home, with a few thousand extra?

No. You would get deported with not a franc. The plan, if you read the article, says legal migrants.

Here's another creative idea that won't work... but I still kinda like it: Thailand set to make Buddhism the State Religion

It is an excellent start.
Not enough families will take the offer, but if the carrot is then complemented by reducing support to immigrants and applying other kinds of pressure, and if this offer will be advertised as having a limited time window, it might make a difference. And, of course, the PR value of looking the problem in the face is tremendous, for other Euro countries and even for this side of the Atlantic.

2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Interesting, but whats to stop them from sneaking back?

Deportation- the illegals don't get the money.

"Go away kid, ya bother me."

I suggest also getting rid of the 1200-1500 Euro per month entitlement / welfare check.

#40 Yank in the EU

Kinda like severance pay.

Sarkozy and Bush should be doing the same thing.

ROUND THEM UP AND SEND THEM BACK

Can I make it any clearer?

Hey, despite complete lack of wind dynamics, good instability, and maybe some boundary interaction may be enough for some isolated nickel sized hail, just a tad too small to crack automotive glass or ding sheet-metal, but enough to add the the fun of disagreement day on Medved, for DFW area commuters.

Radar Link

#42 Roger

With a cheap apartment, you can live like a king off that. I have seen people on welfare in Belgium for years who are able to buy a used Beemer.

"Here's a wad of cash; please don't plan attacks."

Johnny Depp will need to find another home because of this embarrassing turn toward sanity.

$6000? A man could probably live pretty well in the Third World hell holes most Muslims came from with that kind of money.

Buy lots of goats, and have enough left over for a sheep or two, to keep a man company on a cold night in the desert, if ya know what I mean...

#43 Ed of many forecasts

Hey Ed - I heard something today about the possibility of T-storms and tornadoes up along the Wisconsin - Illinois border. What I want to know is, do I have to water tonight or is God going to do that for me ?

Thank you.

#36 Ringo the Gringo

That's interesting. I thought Buddhism was the State religion of Thailand, insofar as Buddhism is even a religion at all. I don't mean that to be an insult to Buddhists. It's just that Siddhartha Gautama Buddha never claimed divinity.

for the prayerly types, the mother of 2 coworkers (and mother in law of 1) died last night.

prayers for family support would be nice, they're good people.

I can only hope that there won't be a similar funny idea of paying illegal immigrants in the US to go back to their homelands.

Not overly impressed with tornado potential in WI, but no need to water the lawn.

Hit the road Ahmed and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more. Hit the road Ahmed and don't you come back no more!

#49 LanceKates

Prayers going up from Wisconsin.

For extra incentive, buy some Caterpillar's D9's and level the mosques.

Lance -

She's healed now.

Reward for illegal & or immigration...wow!

49 LanceKates

Will be done!

Top

55 mama

huh?

#16 Ringo the Gringo

Re the UK? English tests to be part of a tougher new strategy on immigration

Wait til you see the source of the article....

I wonder what the PM presumtive, Gordon Brown, will do.

So they get the money when they climb on the plane, or after they get "home"?

I did the Buddhist temple tour back in Bangkok. The solid gold Buddha, hidden from the Khmer by monks who covered it in clay (the Khmer killed all the monks, so nobody knew it was a solid gold Buddha until some clay cracked off), the reclining Buddha, all kinds of stuff.

I noticed some pix with the Buddha having a halo, and I think I asked Frank IBC at Discarded Lies which came first, Christian icons with halos or Buddhists, and I think he answered, but I have completely forgotten.

After the temple tour, I got drunk.

I don't know why the local Thai restaurants 1) have less spicy food than I remember in Thailand and 2) don't have Kloster, an excellent lager style beer, IIRC.

#56 akak

Reward for illegal & or immigration...wow!

They could pay a little bit once, or a lot over time.

50 the_flying_pig

I can only hope that there won't be a similar funny idea of paying illegal immigrants in the US to go back to their homelands.

The French aren't paying the illegals- just the legal immigrants. The illegals will get deported.

OT

Fox just did a live spot with Greg Palkot live under fire (again) in Tripoli - about 1,000 feet from Pali positions (he's embedded with Lebanese troops), and you could hear the rockets in the background. He said rockets were just wildly flying everywhere, with no real direction - terrifying.

56 akak

Reward for illegal & or immigration...wow!

Fercryingoutloud! Where does it say the illegals are getting paid?

Thanks y'all...

they've a big drive ahead of them for the funeral.

They did a collection earlier, I wish I had some cash, but I'm strapped for another paycheck or two.

#2 Kragar

Interesting, but whats to stop them from sneaking back?

Blow up the Chunnel, and mine all coastal waters.

/only half kidding

#61 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I'm a Singha Beer man myself.

#30 Mark Roth

This is not news. I had a similar plan for the solution to the palestian/Israeli issues.

Righteo, not new news at all. Many Israelis feel the same way. Give em the cash to relocate. It works out to be far cheaper in every aspect imaginable.

Maybe Sarkozy's idea will have more impact elsewhere.

64 Catttt

one of those wars where there is no one to really cheer....

one anti-American/anti-Israeli group is fighting another.

I guess I'll continue to root for the United States and Israel. (and Australi/Japan/England, etc)

The Thais have some amazing foods. Red or green curry with beef, baby aubergines, Thai sweet basil, cocunut milk, lime leaves -- knocks my socks off every time.

# 48 n n j c

It would certainly be a stretch to call Zen a religion, but there are other flavors, some of which clearly are religions.

TRANSFER!

#58 LanceKates

55 mama

huh?

I guess I was religiously obscure :)

I meant, she is no longer suffering the effects of her fatal condition, she has entered a state of restoration and fullness in the spiritual realm. As I was praying, the words came to me from the Gospels : "Lord, just say the word and she will be healed". That's what I was thinking.

I'm kind of goofy :)

That

48 not neo just conservative,

...insofar as Buddhism is even a religion...It's just that Siddhartha Gautama Buddha never claimed divinity.

Well neither has Al Gore, but, just like Buddha, that hasn't kept his followers from making a religion out of his ideas.

#71 Yank in the EU

Aubergines? You've been on the wrong side of the pond too long, amigo. Them're eggplants.

#74 me

"That" at the end of my post ? I don't know where it came from.

Like I said - goofy

Can someone with 72 aliases collect this bribe 71 times, and still not go?

Michelle Malkin notes that a**hole William Arkin is at it again.

74 mama winger

heh, I gotcha... I don't know the woman's spiritual state pre-death, so I can't begin to peculate post... but I'll operate under the assumption that you are correct, judging by the family I do know.

70 LanceKates

Personally, in this case, I'm rooting for Mr. Palkot and his crew. They are uber gutsy, imho. I'm also praying for their safety - as usual.

#80 Lance

but I'll operate under the assumption that you are correct, judging by the family I do know.

You're a good guy, Lance.

If you think about it, this won't go far toward getting France out of it's hole. It does send a message, but most of the immigrants won't feel like they'd be happier back where they escaped from. Many wouldn't be kindly received by their home countries. And they are getting payed for staying in France, too. Such individuals could afford to call Sarkozy's bluff, figuring that the French will eventually fold like clockwork.

#61 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet
I would be willing to bet the halo predates both Christianity and Buddhism.

# 71 Yank in the EU

Gimme a good Phad Thai. I regrattably ordered once here a couple of months back. Won't make that mistake again.

Oh, and the comments on Arkin's WaPo site are priceless.

OT

If I make material mistakes today, tell me. You should be aware it's been one of those days. Sigh. So.

#76 NNJC

See, are they really? I suppose technically the translation is "eggplant" and so you're right, but what I've argued to people is "who the heck ever saw an eggplant that was small and green?" ;)

What France should do is offer MUCH less to illegal immigrants, say 1,000 dollars.

Then, if they don't take the offer, they get arrested, deported without any money at all when caught. Play hardball like Japan, keep them in jail until they come up with the money to pay their own plane ticket home.

This way, you can say to the human rights people: "Look, not only would we not arrested them in the first place if they took the offer, we would have paid for their trip home and given them a thousand on top of it. It was their choice and they chose to ignore our leniency with the law and our graciousness with the money."

#72 Mike C.

Hey Mike!

I guess so, though the religious aspects seem to me to be more rooted in South Asia religions like Hinduism or in other cases, animism, spirit worship, or ancestor worship depending on which East Asian country you happened to be in. It always seemed to me that divinity was forced on Buddha after he wasn't around to explain himself anymore.

81 Catttt

There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity... and people wander back and forth between the two daily.

Let's hope that he stays on the Bravery side, AND that he comes home.

82 mama winger

SHHHH.... you'll ruin my reputation as a slimeball. (I used to also have the reputation as an idiot, but a test we took today on the dead thread disproved that one.... shoot.)

*grin* Thanks for the compliment... I just try to do what I'm supposed to do. (and I wish I could do it as often as I should.)

#85 Mike C.

Yeah, I'll only order something with large shrimp, or "prawns" as they call any shrimp larger than tiny over here, in a place that looks very good and clean. I've seen friends order Phad Thai in places that weren't so great and thought 'whoa nelly, brave man there'.

#88 Yank in the EU

That's because it's a baby eggplant, otherwise it'd be big and purple, or something like that...

I would be willing to bet the halo predates both Christianity and Buddhism.

Kings were frequently portrayed with halos, the suggestion being that they are part god. Divine light=legitimate rule.

I've also been drunk in Pattaya, and hooked up with some ex-pat dudes who ran a little race (called 'a hash'), than took a boat to some island, and drank, and sang bawdy songs.

Hey TFK

On the Dead Thread, Gettinby was hoping for your opinion on some story she found about some senior level guys from the Minutemen group being fired for sniffing around and asking questions about (and asking for a meeting about) possible monitary misuse (i.e, either bad bookkeeping or fraud/theft)

She posted the link a couple times.

#96 Salem

Kings were frequently portrayed with halos, the suggestion being that they are part god. Divine light=legitimate rule.

Nahhh, that's just the reflection off their space helmet. A truther told me.

#94 NNJC

Dunno, man. These suckers are round and green when fully grown.

[Link: images.inmagine.com...]

#97 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Drunk in Pattaya? We've been drunk in some of the same bars. The Marine Bar? Black-out-a-go-go? Bird Bar?

Perhaps Charles could organize a collection to help swell the farewell fund.

LanceKates, may they move toward the light.....

#94 not neo just conservative

Eggplant comes in purple, white, orange, red, green and purple and white varieties...

Ok, what is American for "courgette"?

#100 Yank in the EU

Those are peas dude!

Meanwhile the Bush Administration hires illegals.
[Link: www.ktvb.com...]

#104 Odinist

You have an unhealthy knowledge of eggplants.

Me:

Kings were frequently portrayed with halos, the suggestion being that they are part god. Divine light=legitimate rule.

Damn, now I have to search for some pre-Christian examples... I know angels are pre-Christian...

#105 Yank in the EU

Courgette is Zucchini, but I had to look it up.

Yank and not neo-

[Link: www.tomatogrowers.com...]

Oh, new thread. I'm off the hook.

#106 NNJC

Great, now we're both clueless.

I hear Sarc-ozy is also working on a new French National Anthem

[Link: www.cruxy.com...]

#113 Yank in the EU

;-)

#108 not neo just conservative

LOL!

I'm in the plant business...

hope the plan is to pass out the money while on the plane and not before.

# 105 Yank in the EU

Isn't that a zucchini squash ?

#110 NNJC

Well, that solves an an ongoing mystery for me. I could have just looked it up, of course, but that spoils all the fun. I have, it seems, been on this side of the pond too long.

#116 Odinist

That's a relief...

I drank at many of the Pattaya Bars, and also enjoyed the Thai boxing matches. Not just boxing, snake charming, weird music, the whole deal.

Were you stationed aboard the USS Chuck Wagon (CVN-70) by any chance? In Reactor Controls?

Peas in French is pois.

Thanks for the chat guys and/or gals. I've gotta bail. See you later.

#118 Mike C.

Not bad, if that was off the top of your head.

#121 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Nope. 3rd Recon. Stationed in Okinawa. Been drunk in every red light district from Pohang to Singapore.

this is excellent, and he has done his math and homework.

it will cost far less to pay a sizeable sum to these people than to keep them on the dole, put out car fires, and expand the police force.

I giess it's sort of like paying an advance on their government cheese, without all the seething and car-bacues.

Don't be a stranger, NNJC.

I'm off to have a beer, too.

Angels are definitely pre-Christian. One of the apostolic letters (Jude) refers to a now lost Jewish tradition that the Arch-angel Michael had to fight with Satan for the body of Moses.

Ciao all.

Been there , done it .

There was a row in the UK some years ago when the sum of £3000 (about $5900) was offered to undesirable immigrants to leave . Please .

Hell , i'm an indigenous born Resident .
I'd leave for half that !
Any US lizard with a soare room ?

I don't understand this deal.

Excluding the fact that the leaving is voluntary....the deal is messed up.

Hey, mi cuñado Luis Flores was in Okinawa with the USMC. I think he said he fixed large helicopters.

I've been a passenger onboard a Flying Tigers Airlines 747 MAC charter that made a stop in Okinawa.

Even had an inflight movie, the Robert Redford 1930s baseball movie.

#107 pat

Well, to be fair, they were working for a contractor to the Forest Service. That's why a lot of companies use contractors, so they can say "I know nothing!" when asked about illegals.

/sgt schultz

To make sure france stays french, they had also better get crackin' on what they are known for:

makin sweet love (without contraceptives). the algerians seem to have cought on to this.

come on french!

screw!

meant a SPARE room !
Freudian slip !

129 Ed

of course Angels are pre-Christian....

2 guard the Garden of Eden per Genesis.... one blocked the path of a false-prophet (who didn't see him, but his talking camel did)

some visited Lot....

That's all pre-Christian.

Ok have a good one all.

Thanks for the Response TFk, I'll let gettinby know to look at your two posts.

I know we could use some of the Minutemen's attention here in OKC, I'll check to see if you have a local chapter or whatever (when I get home)

NY Nana #29

...immediately, by Presidential edict,ban the automatic citizenship given to any newborn, whose mother or parents are illegal.

That would be quite a feat, seeing as how American citizenship by birth on American soil is conferred by the U.S. Constitution.

Winged emissaries for the gods go back to Ancient Greece at least. I won't get into an argument with whether that's pre-Judean, or not, but Plato wrote of Demiurge and his Archons. Angels of the Christian tradition seem to have evolved from the Archons.

What Was the Origin of the Halo? Surprisingly, the halo is both pagan and un-Christian in origin. Many centuries before Christ, natives decorated their heads with a crown of feathers. "They did so to symbolize their relationship with the sun-god: their own 'halo' of feathers representing the circle of light that distinguished the shining divinity in the sky. Indeed, people came to believe that by adopting such a 'nimbus' men turned into a kind of sun themselves and into a divine being."

Later in history, the Roman emperors who began to think of themselves as divine beings wore a crown in public to imitate the sphere of light from the sun.

The need to preserve art objects also added to the development of the halo. "Statues were kept not in museums but in the open. Therefore they were subject to deterioration through various causes. To protect them from the droppings of birds, the rain and the snow, a circular plate--either of wood or brass--was fixed upon their heads!"

Quoted from the article. I didn't make that clear.

LIZARDS! we will become rich!

we'll all sneak into France.. collect our 6000 euros, sneak back in, +6000, and so on. this is the "up up down down left right left right a b select start" of REAL LIFE!

Well, it's cheaper than having thousands of police officers and firemen injured, and 20,000 burning cars littering the streets of France.

#145 Salem

To protect them from the droppings of birds, the rain and the snow, a circular plate--either of wood or brass--was fixed upon their heads!"

I don't think i buy that... The "Halo" used in art was used to accentuate important persons, it wasn't brought into art only because of a rain protector.

Besides, there are thousands of statues in the open TODAY... and i have yet to see one of these wood/brass things.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I'm calling shenanigans

Israel should do this with the Palestinians. Give them money to emigrate elsewhere

-How will he prevent fraud?
-Won't the native population be perceived as openly "racist" if they support it, causing more problems?

It's amazing I got out of Europe on time. Everyday I feel blessed to be in the land of the free.

It's definitely a start.

so can I immigrate to France and collect this money to come back home?

All I know is we don't deserve an opinion that opposes the USA amnesty bill according to mccain...because he knows more than anyone about illegal immigration!

/spits

You just heard the sound of 30 million mexicans swimming furiously across the Atlantic.

"Later in history, the Roman emperors who began to think of themselves as divine beings wore a crown in public to imitate the sphere of light from the sun."

That also seems misleading. Rulers from the dawn of time have tried to validate their reigns by implying a blood-relation with a god. It hardly began with Rome. I think Gilgamesh might have been the first recorded, to say nothing of Egypt's Pharaohs.

#141 taxfreekiller

4 or 8 more years of Ted Kennedy and John Kerry in our U.S. Senate, the Statue of Liberty will bow her head, pick up her skirt, wade out in the deep blue sea and cry and drown herself in shame.

Quite honestly, I'm surprised she hasn't stepped out yet.

A new pair of nut crunchers is better.

Again, people, these are legal immigrants. France doesn't have near the problem of securing their border as the US. A significant percentage of their immigrants are legal, though the idea behind them being imported there was utterly corrupt and criminal in my view.

TFK #144:

I respectfully beg to differ. Citizenship by birth is in the Constitution:

Amendment 14
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

#162

Right, so the parents only need to provide the birth certificate to prove they were born in the USA, which they can't do if they are illegal, lest they might be deported. The "anchor baby" issue is whether the parents should be entitled to remain in the US just because they squirted out another cheap laborer while here.

wouldn't it be better just to give them a "government check" that secretly draws funds from the accounts of terrorist organizations, front groups and countries?

that's what i would do.

#144 TFK

Ah, but the 18^th Amendment (prohibition) was, happily for Ed, repealed by the 21^th Amendment. :)

So, I would think (and pray) that the same could be done in this case, if, and it is a big IF, Congress can get off it's ass..

Doesn't work:

The Germans tried that more than 10 years ago with the Turks. They almost paid them double their entitlements to give them enough incentive to go home.

They all had a long holiday in Turkey, some bought new wives and most of them returned with more Turks (extended family) in tow in less than one year.

Muslims are allowed to lie and to deceive the infidel. Even if they sign a piece of paper saying they won't come back who and what will prevent them from doing exactly that?

Amnesia intentional?

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

Wow - if the government follows through and even makes a credible offer, this is incredibly good news. Imagine what Mme. Royale's first initiative would have been with respect to la racaille?

France's Sarkozy Calls for Tightening Sanctions Against Iran
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

re #168

May. 23, 2007 17:05 | Updated May. 23, 2007 19:08
France's Sarkozy calls to tighten sanctions on Teheran
By JPOST.COM STAFF AND AP

French President Nicholas Sarkozy called Wednesday for sanctions on Iran to be tightened if the country does not adhere to the West's demands to cease its nuclear agenda.

If Iran attains nuclear weapons, Sarkozy warned, a road to an arms race will be paved that could endanger Israel and southeast Europe, he said during an interview with a German magazine.

Sarkozy announced that France will join the official US-led struggle against head of the International Atomic Energy Agency Mohamed ElBaradei, who recommended that Iran be allowed to enrich uranium in some of its nuclear plants.

On Tuesday, American officials urged allies to back a formal protest against ElBaradei, saying his comments could hurt UN Security Council efforts to pressure Teheran over its enrichment program.

"We were indeed surprised by several comments from Mr. ElBaradei over the weekend," said French Foreign Ministry spokesman Jean-Baptiste Mattei. "We share the gist of concerns expressed by our American partners - along with several other partners, for that matter."
Over the past two weeks, ElBaradei has publicly said he believes it is too late to force Teheran to scrap its enrichment program as demanded by the Security Council, and argued instead for implementing inspection safeguards to prevent an expansion of the program.

"I can confirm that our permanent representative in Vienna will take part in the American initiative," Mattei said, referring to the Austrian capital where the International Atomic Energy Agency is based.

Mattei also took issue with ElBaradei's recent reference to French intelligence about the speed of Iran's nuclear program, without providing details.

"In addition, the IAEA director-general referred, in one of his public statements, to analyses from French intelligence services over the time that it would take Iran to have access to a nuclear weapon," Mattei said. "We aren't in the habit of releasing national intelligence analyses publicly - much less through an international organization."

Despite ElBaradei's recent comments, on Wednesday he released a report saying that Iran continues to defy UN Security Council demands to scrap its uranium enrichment program and has instead expanded its activities.

Deos every Lizard know that that scumbag Chirac has about 60 million dollars equivilent parked in a bank here in Japan that was part of a kickback when he allowed a Japanese investor some sweetheart investments in France?

I wonder how widely it is reported in English, I have read about it in Franch and Japanese and it has been brewing for a while. It seems that there has been proof positive discovered in France.

Though much of the reporting gets the name of the bank wrong since it was taken over several years ago and is now the Tokyo Star Bank.

Sarkozy makes me happy I spent so much time learning French and I actually would like to go there again.

#170 tokyobk

Re Chirac? No, never recall seeing that, but it is no surprise...the Arafart/Suhahaha/Shrillary/Bubba of Eurabia...he would take money from anywhere.

Take a look at this, and see who he was friendly, very friendly with...

Note to self:

Duh: there was no 21^th Amendment, but there was a 21^st Amendment.

_{[Preview is not my friend...I did preview! :=( ]}

this is Rabbi Meir Kahane's idea....When will they do this in Israel?

Give me a shout right now if anyone here trusts a person named "Mohammed" when he says anything about Arabs attempting to acquire or build nukes and/or WMD's........Ahhh, crickets chirping, I like that!

re my 173- or PERSIANS...Same difference, if you ax me...

Regarding Chirac... here is a story in English from a Japanese newspaper:

[Link: www.yomiuri.co.jp...]

About $55 million in the account.

Question is, how much more does he have stashed around Japan and indeed the rest of the world?

Only 3000 families took them up in years past, guess they are waiting for the ante to be upped. Imagine if such a measure was purposed in the US -the media would kill it.

Citizenship by birth is a right in the US by our Constitution and well it was established. All of you who know American History understand why this was a part of our government and I for one, am not ready to toss the idea anyway.

Wouldn't surprise if they don't also restrict legal immigration from certain countries via an addition to some obscure French immigration law. "...while the new regime is determined to curb illegal immigration..."

I think that would cost too much. They've already soaked up too much welfare and burnt property. Why not just pay their fare back and call it even?

Here's a ticket to vote for:

Giuliani/Sarkozy in '08!

Where can we find one like him over here?

I'm a libertarian who thinks any government who steals any percentage of your income is illegitimate - only God has any legit claim to your income, and He only asks for 10%... and it's a voluntary tithe - but I'd back an income tax increase if the money went to paying muslim immigrants to return to the sands from which they came. Hell yeah.

What I find most striking about the news out of France is that all of a sudden, France is to the RIGHT of el presidenteBush.

The Republican Party had better be careful not to allow Bush to drive their party off the left side of the road and over the cliff at a time when Europe is moving the other way. Whatever indicators they might be looking at that are leading left; they should examine trends in Europe and consider the possibility that their indicators may be wrong.

#164 kirche 5/24/2007 4:24:15 pm PDT

wouldn't it be better just to give them a "government check" that secretly draws funds from the accounts of terrorist organizations, front groups and countries?

that's what i would do.

How?

#171 NY Nana
Is it me or is it windy over there?

#48 not neo just conservative

insofar as Buddhism is even a religion at all. I don't mean that to be an insult to Buddhists. It's just that Siddhartha Gautama Buddha never claimed divinity.

Mohammad never did either.

big L at #19 says the illegal immigrants here get 19K a year free services, so if we build a wall and give them 10K to leave, look how much money we would save.

Sharmuta
It's incredible the mental sclerosis of many lizards. Sad, really, that they won't have a minimum flexibility in their prejudiced minds.
You said over and over THAT SARKOZY PROPOSES PAYING THAT MONEY TO LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
To no avail, Sharm, one lizard after another will still be making comments about ILLEGALS.

Lord I wish the people on my side were a bit less inflexible and a bit more open to WHAT THINGS ACTUALLY ARE.

And as for some "solutions" like deporting all illegals, yes, sure, just try.
It would be a lot more beneficial thinking about solutions YOU CAN ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT.

/Rant off.

Czechoslovakia expelled all of its many ethnic-Germans in the lead up to WWII because they weren’t loyal to Czechoslovakia and were turning to Nazism. As I recall, there wasn’t much if any blood spilled during the exodus, (although I’m not an expert on the topic). When Czechoslovakia felt that their sovereignty was threatened, they resolved the problem by asking the Germans to leave, and they did.

It wasn’t a crime; it was self-preservation. History proves that the Czech’s were correct, although unfortunately the Germans came back in force. MigueldowninMexico may feel otherwise but I think America is a great country worth defending. I’m getting tired of people telling me otherwise.

I work with legal immigrants from all over the globe, it works out fine.

And I think we can deport many illegals and we can discourage others by NOT granting this stupid amnesty, by prosecuting employers, by getting rid of anchor babies, and by barring them from any entitlements including education and free EMTALA ER care.

We must never make these people legal no matter where they come from. They are a drain to our economy and judicial system.

GET THEM OUT! No matter where they come from, the illegals must not be given amnesty. That will only encourage more law breaking

I am liking this French President.

Floating.
Another one who reads what he wants to read.

Hey! How about reading what things actually say?

Where the hell did I say that America is NOT a great country worth defending?

Floating Rock. My 187 was precisely about that. I was complaning that PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY READ, damn it.

You MISSREAD my post and come out attacking me...falsely.

I repeat my 187: so many people around here DON'T READ THINGS, THEY JUST MAKE UP WHAT THEY THINK OTHERS SAID. And use that false (inexistent) information to attack someone! Like me in this case.

Sheesh, first read things and then come off passing judgement.

These people who keep setting up straw men depicting jack-boot’s busting in doors hunting down illegals: try reading some history. I’m sure you’ll all find plenty of examples of nations practicing their natural right of self-preservation. The stories that don’t involve a lot of bloodshed don’t get much attention in history… because, who cares? So the Czeck’s made a wise decision, but it didn’t save them. I give them an A for effort. Way to go Czechoslovakia! But it’s not as interesting as violence. You’ll have to dig a little deeper, maybe.

"regime"? "conservative regime"?

#150 SpringhillJack

I believe that some Israeli politicians have floated this idea in the past.

We have been buying up property in the Muslim quarter of the Old City and also in East Jerusalem, which is, in a way, similar to paying the Muslims to move. Of course, if they only move down the block then you haven't accomplished much. No Muslim would move into the territories for any amount of money right now, though, and none of the Arab countries want to accept them as citizens. I really don't know what is to be done. They cannot stay here. Long ago, the world should have put pressure on the Arab nations to absorb the Palestinians, but that wasn't done and won't be done now. Instead, the "new idea" is the "one state solution," (otherwise known as the destruction of the Jews).

I love Sarkozy so far, and I hope he will meet with much success in his endeavor to rid France of hostile foreign nationals.

MiqueldowninMexico, I conditionally apologize if I’ve misinterpreted your comment above. I assumed from your nickname that you are “downinMexico”, and commenting about American national security policy: suggesting that we couldn’t expel people who are here illegally if we as a nation decided to do so and if we tried, it’s due to “prejudice”. I admit, although I’m a long time LGF reader, I’m new to the comments section and am not familiar with your opinions in general or your location and nationality. Maybe you are in Mexico but are an American citizen or some other variant, or perhaps the nickname is meaningless... I don't know.

But if you are a Mexican living in Mexico and are of the opinion that Americans who want to preserve America are “prejudiced”, then I withdraw my apology.

At any rate. If you are a Mexican living in Mexico who apposes Jihad, I’m sure we can find other common ground. If you’re a Mexican living in the U.S. illegally, then go home and we’ll talk about who owes whom apologies.

I like Mexicans as much as I like anybody else. I think it would be awesome if they all returned back home and straightened out their own country utilizing what they’ve learned here. I seriously, honestly think that that would be best for Mexico, even more so than for the U.S.. Actually, it will be harder for us to adapt.

I’m not a bigot or prejudiced. Mexico is a sovereign nation that should not be robbed of so many of their most enterprising young people.

I support Mexico’s national sovereignty as long as it doesn’t threaten mine.

So in summary, maybe it's late at night and I’m tired, but I've re-read your post above, and without knowing anything about you, I'm just not sure if an apology is due... but if I've wronged you unfairly for whatever reason, I do apologize for that. I’ll take another look at your post tomorrow.

MigueldowninMexico; in response to the topic raised in #187, I believe the reason why people here, (many of whom live in the U.S.), keep referring to “illegal” aliens about a story from France that applies to “legal” immigrants is because we live in the U.S. and don’t have a problem with legal immigrants.

“…because we live in the U.S. and don’t have a problem with legal immigrants.”

I think I should qualify my statement above by pointing out that to one degree or another, most of us probably do have a problem with legal immigration when it comes to Muslims. I would guess that opinions might range from, “being careful” to “not worth the risk”. Wherever people fall into the spectrum, if their motivation is based on self preservation, then that has nothing to do with prejudice.

I'd admire Sarkozy. Deporting them makes sense. I just wish we would to that....

Yes please let's make a whole new beaucracy that this new bill wants to introduce and pay for them illegals to become citizens..yeah!

No thanks.

I don't mind paying more for lettuce and strawberries..if it means we go by our rule of law.

For myself, I do accept that America would probably best be served if, after we secure the border, we implement an enforceable guest-worker program. We could phase it out over time if we choose, which would be the responsible thing to do. Why disrupt our economy more than we have to if they want the work and the system is adequately enforced for a change? I think it’s important, for humanitarian reasons, that we have a time limit so that they return home and help their own nations grow and prosper. I would even support somebody applying for citizenship and THEN coming to America on the guest worker program… as long as it doesn’t affect their application for citizenship and that they qualify as a guest worker. The two programs should be totally unrelated.

Or we could just do what the Czech’s did and ask them all to leave. Amnesty is not the answer but I’m open to options that don’t reward illegal activity and result in the end of America’s national sovereignty.

France has already tried 25 years ago to pay immigrants to leave the country.

It did not work, and some took the money and came back with another passport

It's called paying the Dangegeld:

[Link: whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au...]

If someone takes the money and then comes back, perhaps he should be required to give back the money on his return.

But if that is done, that may mean that there should be a means of identifying people, such as taking fingerprints and having a computerized system to identify similar fingerprints. There is also a newer technique of identification that doesn't use fingerprints, but also makes use of computers. Just looking at papers may not be enough because papers can be forged.

#200: It is 2007, not 1982. The people who make use of the proposal may be required to provide a DNA sample. Can't fake that - unlike a Maghreb passport.

Regarding Czechoslovakia and ethnic Germans: I may have a comment since I am Czech myself.

We kicked out the Germans after, not before, WWII. Proven anti-Nazis and German-speaking Jews were exempt, so were "essential" workers (people with skills that could not be replaced in the industry), altogether, not more than some 3 per cent of the whole population. Unfortunately, there were some limited bloodsheds. It is hard to assess now, since the documents can lie, but about 1 or 2 per cent of the deported perished during the deportation.

The long-term effect on Czech-German relations is wonderful, no more national infighting in half of the country. The old generation died out and the new one has no interest in returning from Frankfurt to shabby border villages in a forest.

However, the Arabs are special. It would not work with them, or at least there would be no long-term peace. Just like they refused to integrate the Palis into other Arab countries and kept them as a sore spot on Israeli borders, they would probably do the same with forcibly removed European migrants. Just to feed their resentment and have an external woe to direct their people's wrath to.

Well, it is better than the amnesty that Bush and the rest are determined to give the illegals here.

The USA is doing it the other way, we are going to pay em to stay. Hello Lizards! Always wanted to part of your group, glad to be here!

How about we pay bank robbers to stop robbing banks, or murders to stop killing people? Where does it end? This is an awful idea.

Salem #163

I agree that just because they manage to have children who are born here doesn't mean that illegals shouldn't be deported.

My issue was with #29, which advocated the revocation by executive order of automatic citizenship for those born here.

The President, as anyone who has actually read the US Constitution would know, can legally do no such thing. The only way would be for there to be a proposed Constitutional amendment which would then have to be ratified by 2/3 of the States.

cowardice produces idiocy, even when modified from previous greater cowardice, as in this case.