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Thompson on Israel: Living in Terror

Thu, May 31, 2007 at 5:51:51 pm PDT

After the earlier guest post from Duncan Hunter, several readers emailed about yesterday’s post at the ABC radio network site by alleged candidate Fred Thompson: Living in Terror.

There’s also a podcast at the link above.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question. What do you think America would do if Canadian soldiers were firing dozens of missiles every day into Buffalo, N.Y.? What do you think our response would be if Mexican troops for two years had launched daily rocket attacks on San Diego — and bragged about it?

I can tell you, our response would look nothing like Israel’s restrained and pinpoint reactions to daily missile attacks from Gaza. We would use whatever means necessary to win the war. There would likely be numerous casualties on our enemy’s side, but we would rightfully hold those who attacked us responsible.

More than 1,300 rockets have been fired into Israel from Gaza since Palestinians were given control two years ago. Israelis, however, have gone to incredible lengths to stop the war against them without harming Palestinian non-combatants. But make no mistake, Israel is at war. The elected Hamas government regularly repeats its official promise to destroy Israel entirely and replace it with an Islamic state. Hamas openly took credit for killing one woman and wounding dozens more last week alone.

The Palestinian strategy is to purposely target and kill Israeli civilians. Then, when Israel goes after those launching the attacks, Palestinians claim to be the victims. If Palestinian civilians aren’t hurt in the Israeli attacks, they stage injuries and deaths. Too often, they garner sympathy and support from a gullible or anti-Semitic media in the international community.

Israelis, themselves, are often incapable of facing the damage they inflict in self-defense. Knowing this, Islamic extremists are using their own populations as human shields.

I’m beginning to wonder how much longer this vicious plot will work though. International sympathy for Palestinians has diminished as the same Islamofascist extremists have brought havoc to Madrid, Bali, Somalia, London and elsewhere. More importantly, Israelis themselves are suffering so badly, they may be on the verge of losing their sympathy for the people who have sworn to kill them.

Imagine what it would be like to live, knowing that a rocket could fall on you or your children at any minute. Half of those who live nearest to Gaza have fled their homes. Those remaining are traumatized by daily warning sirens and explosions.

The irony is that Israel has the military might to easily win the war that is being waged against them today. They haven’t used that might, in the past, out of compassion for Palestinian civilians and because it could trigger a wider regional conflict.

That balance of power is about to change, though. If Iran develops nuclear weapons, the very existence of this tiny nation of Israel will be threatened. The Iranian regime has left little doubt that it intends to see Israel "wiped off the map.” Hamas is using the same language, not coincidentally, and has announced it will begin launching missiles into Israel from the West Bank too.

If the world doesn’t act to stop Iran’s nuclear ambitions, it must be prepared for the consequences of Israel defending itself.

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1 Carridine  Thu, May 31, 2007 5:53:29pm

Great STUFF! Listen to the Podcast!

2 phillygirl  Thu, May 31, 2007 5:54:26pm

I wonder if we will see such a statement from any of the Democrats running. I doubt it. Thanks to the two strong Republicans - either of them would get my vote.

3 Insert Clever Name Here  Thu, May 31, 2007 5:54:31pm

Duncan / Fred '08
I could live with that.

4 Sharmuta  Thu, May 31, 2007 5:55:10pm
If the world doesn’t act to stop Iran’s nuclear ambitions, it must be prepared for the consequences of Israel defending itself.

If you mean "prepared" as in ready to condemn Israel, then Sir, they are prepared.

/because this statement is lost on them

5 jukin3  Thu, May 31, 2007 5:55:35pm

This guy could give one hope.

6 Carridine  Thu, May 31, 2007 5:57:29pm

Israel?

ISRAEL? Oh, ISRAEL has NO RIGHT to defend itself!

7 godfrey  Thu, May 31, 2007 5:57:48pm

The man's a lizard. Awesome.

8 jbinnout  Thu, May 31, 2007 5:58:47pm

Glad to have Thompson in this race.

9 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, May 31, 2007 5:59:34pm

Yea!

Two strong statements from two good men.

Either way Thompson/Hunter or Hunter/Thompson is ok with me right now. I won't commit completely until I know more.

Oh, wait Hunter (S.) Thompson, maybe that would fool the dems.

10 jrdroll  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:01:41pm

rudy/fred '08

11 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:01:46pm
12 akak  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:01:54pm

He's the man, yet people have forgotten 9-11/OKC/WTC etc.

Unless something happens people will be looking for a soft cuddly type....human nature.

13 zombie  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:02:03pm

Look, folks, the truth is the most if not all of the candidates -- on both sides of the fence -- would be storngly pro-Israel if elected. (With the possible exception of Obama and Edwards.) (Kucinich doesn't count as a valid candidate.)

Just take a look at this speech by Democrat Dianne Feinstein that I recorded:

Dianne Feinstein at pro-Israel rally in SF on July 23, 2006.

I gave this caption:

Feinstein did not mince words, and gave one of the strongest pro-Israel speeches I've ever heard from an American politician. She even quoted from the Hamas charter and from Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, both explicitly stating they intend to utterly destroy Israel.

Go here to see a transcription of the speech.

Feinstein's position is not much different from Bush's, from Hunter's from Hillary's, or from Thompson's. Truth is, at the higher levels of politics, the vast majority of our leaders are strongly pro-Israel -- regardless of the internal policies here in the US.

Only despicable appease-o-crats like Obama, Kerry and the ilk would cause me to worry.

14 akak  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:03:00pm

Odierno: We’re negotiating with insurgents for a ceasefire

-hotair

15 Sharmuta  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:03:01pm
International sympathy for Palestinians has diminished

It has? Someone should tell Norway.

16 zombie  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:03:03pm

The point I'm trying to make is that none of the Republican candidates really stands out as more pro-Israel than any of the others.

17 FrogMarch  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:03:41pm

Duncan Hunter
and
Fred Thompson

Their stock just went way up.

18 mjazzguitar  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:03:42pm

If missiles are fired from the West Bank, I hope that Israel would respond appropriately.

19 Pwest  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:04:18pm

Fred is hitting all the right notes as far as I'm concerned. I hope he gets into the race.

20 stevieray  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:04:35pm

#9 newsjunkie ky

Heh heh heh... would fool the stoners.

Fred is rocketing to number one on the charts!

21 zombie  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:05:53pm

Some of the more Web-savvy candidates are trying to score points with folks like us on the Net, but if you checked Giuliani's position, or Hillary's voting record, you'd see they were just as strongly pro-Israel as the rest of 'em.

Not that I'm recommending a vote for Hillary -- far from it. I'm just saying it is par for the course to be pro-Israel if you want to be taken seriously as the possible president of this country, or as a foreign-policy decider.

Which is as it should be.

22 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:05:59pm

Read it this afternoon. Fred is everywhere.

23 Jimmah  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:06:44pm

I'm impressed.

24 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:07:16pm

zombie,

In Mrs. Clinton's case, it's all lip service and pandering.

The others mean it.

25 ec marm  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:07:34pm

Just take a moment to look at this picture (Photoshopped of course - I could get in trouble for using the presidential seal but - oh, well ) and tell me you wouldn't like him telling the Islamic Republic of Iran where to shove it.

26 maddogg  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:08:01pm
If the world doesn’t act to stop Iran’s nuclear ambitions, it must be prepared for the consequences of Israel defending itself.

Or not.

27 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:08:17pm
28 busywolf  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:08:50pm

I hope this isn't just some election gimmick, because it is really a great talk. One small correction though: Qassams have been raining on us since 2001 if I am not mistaken, and contributed to the Gaza disengagement.

29 abu_garcia  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:09:05pm
If Since the world doesn’t won't act to stop Iran’s nuclear ambitions, it must be prepared for the consequences of Israel defending itself.
30 insanity police  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:10:10pm

Yesterday, May 30th 2007, the British University and College Union voted to adopt a policy broadly supporting a boycott of Israeli academic institutions, as well as calling for a moratorium on EU funding for Israeli research.

THIS IS URGENT AND TIME LIMITED:

You can join StandWithUs, Fairplay in the UK and other groups help overturn this move, but please act right now.

We want to place as much pressure on the UCU leadership as we can.

We want them to call a referendum of all the members to vote on the boycott issue.

Write an email now, keep it polite; don't make it personal, but address the issues. They are:

· Express your dismay at the decision of the Congress
to boycott Israeli academic institutions

· Ask UCU leadership to condemn the boycott vocally and publicly

· Ask Sally Hunt, UCU General Secretary, to confirm that she will be honoring her promise to call a referendum of all the UCU membership
to ask ALL the UCU members if they support a boycott.

· Express your feelings about the boycott
Boycotts are one sided and do not help anyone;

Please send your emails to:

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pmackney@ucu.org.uk
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With a bcc to:
info@standwithus.co.il, info@standwithus.com
ucu@fairplaycg.org.uk

(Above are the emails of: Sally Hunt, General Secretary / Paul Mackney, Joint General Secretary / UCU Head Office / UCU Joint Presidents / Heads of Higher & Further Education).

THE UCU GENERAL SECRETARY HAS SAID SHE DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THE GENERAL MEMBERSHIP OF THE UNION SUPPORTS A BOYCOTT.

YOUR PRESSURE CAN MAKE THE UCU LEADERSHIP ACT.

EMAIL YOUR RESPONSES NOW.

You can Fax the UCU at: +44 207 670 9699

More information on Boycott Responses can be found here: [Link: www.engageonline.org.uk...]

31 Insert Clever Name Here  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:11:15pm

Didn't Mrs. Bill Clinton, in real life -- not rhetoric, actally hang out with Arafat & Mrs.?

32 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:11:26pm

#21 zombie
I agree. They all support Israel. I think the real question that none of them are talking about is what to do with the Palestinians. Is anyone going to go out on a limb and state that we're cutting of all aid to Palestine until they become peaceful?

33 Poimanester  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:11:43pm

I have nothing against Duncan Hunter. However, he doesn't seem to register a blip on any of the polls. No one is taking him seriously, are they?

Thompson, on the other hand, runs third without officially announcing. Maybe the Thompson/Hunter team is viable.

34 Yosemite Bill  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:12:04pm

Oh God I'm on thin ice here......... um - Zombie your are very wrong .

Infering that if the Democrat Party wins the Pres they will carry Congress then it will be how radical the Left can push things.
I shouldn't have to remind you about SE Asia.
That bunch of idiots (Congress ' 74.......+) knifed our allies in the back and miilions died.
Put Mrs Shrew in the Pres and who the hell do you think will be Sec of State of Sec Def ?
Your are talking full scale surrender mode and the Jews would be hung out to die !

35 Sharmuta  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:13:08pm

31 Insert Clever Name Here

Didn't Mrs. Bill Clinton, in real life -- not rhetoric, actally hang out with Arafat & Mrs.?

She hugged Suha, yes.

36 ChenZhen  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:14:54pm

At the risk of having rotten fruit thrown at me, I'll ask this question out of relative ignorance...

Would Iran actually use nukes on Israel preemtively, considering the consequences?

37 WeaselZipper  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:16:37pm

I agree with just about all of Duncan Hunter's positions.

BUT, we have to look ar electibility and Fred has it,also his views are consistent with someone like Hunter/Romney.

38 Insert Clever Name Here  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:17:01pm

#36 Chen, at the risk of showing my ignorance, I think they (Iran) wants to bring about armageddon. Starting The War with nukes is highly likely.

39 mj  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:17:15pm

#16 Zombie

"The point I'm trying to make is that none of the Republican candidates really stands out as more pro-Israel than any of the others".

I think Ron Paul, who, obviously, isn't going anywhere, is much less pro-Israel then anyone in the Republican race. His voting complete record would indicate someone who is deeply anti-Israel.

40 Sharmuta  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:17:51pm

36 ChenZhen

Would Iran actually use nukes on Israel preemtively, considering the consequences?

I'd say yes, Chen. Amadinnerjacket has called for wiping Israel off the map. And now he's saying he'll share the knowledge and technology with his neighbors to boot. They see it as their "devine" duty.

41 Insert Clever Name Here  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:18:34pm

#33
addendum:

Also, when people say they want to kill you (or Israelis, or whomever), you should believe them.

42 mjazzguitar  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:18:52pm

#24 JammieWearingFool 5/31/2007 6:07:16 pm PDT

zombie,

In Mrs. Clinton's case, it's all lip service and pandering.

The others mean it.

I saw her reaction to a pali video on teaching children shahid and she looked genuinely pissed off.

43 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:19:19pm

Those wacky Iranians have now introduced Islamic skydiving.

44 Insert Clever Name Here  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:19:23pm

OOPS

thats 38, not 33
grrr

45 Poimanester  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:20:38pm

#41

Also, when people say they want to kill you (or Israelis, or whomever), you should believe them.

Yea, and Amen.

46 tblot  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:20:42pm

I know one thing withed Israel not responding to the rocket attacks there might be something big coming down. With American troops being killed by Iran helping out I think Bush wants to send a bigger message

47 MJ  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:20:50pm

# 34 Yosemite Bill

"Put Mrs Shrew in the Pres and who the hell do you think will be Sec of State of Sec Def ?"

Condi Rice doesn't exactly inspire much confidence in Republicans either.

48 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:21:36pm
Word has it that the "Law and Order" episodes in which Fred appears will be banned until after the election if he decides to run, on the grounds that this would "provide him with an unfair advantage."

Yet Gore could run and every schoolkid in North America could be subjected to his insipid film in every class.

49 mjazzguitar  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:21:37pm

#36 ChenZhen 5/31/2007 6:14:54 pm PDT


At the risk of having rotten fruit thrown at me, I'll ask this question out of relative ignorance...

Would Iran actually use nukes on Israel preemtively, considering the consequences?

Have you heard of the cult that Jinnadab belongs to that believes they have to create an Armegeddon so the islamic messiah will come?

50 Sharmuta  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:21:38pm

Err- "divine" duty.

Well, it's not divine, so maybe "devine" works?

51 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:22:06pm

Ok the difference I noted: Thompson's piece was a bit more passionate, but it didn't state positions clearly. Duncan Hunter's did, with several examples of concrete things that he definitely supports. I liked Hunter's better, simply because I know exactly where he stands on particular issues, and Hunter's talking about things he would do that are very smart.

Missle defense, no more land give aways, the wall is good etc.

52 insanity police  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:22:09pm

A Call for Action against Occupation from the Israel Professor for Justice

We, Israeli professors for justice and peace, do hereby appeal to researchers, academics, scholars, and teachers in Israel and throughout the world to take a firm and clear stand against continuing occupation and
denial of rights. We are of course referring to the continuing occupation of territories by Britain in which Britain clearly has no right to be. We demand that all British universities be boycotted and all academics at those universities be boycotted until these same people and institutions come out clearly and openly in favor of immediate unconditional removal of all British occupation from these territories. We demand a moratorium on all funding of academic research in Britain by sources for funding
everywhere and divestment from Britain in all its forms.

53 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:22:16pm
54 Macker  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:22:44pm

RUN FRED RUN!

55 offsetview  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:22:49pm

Fred for Prez I like the sound of that. Hey Lizard world great to be on board.

57 hiker  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:23:26pm

I like Fred. I support Duncan Hunter for a variety of reasons, but if he does not make it through the primaries, Fred is looking pretty good to me.

58 stevieray  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:23:34pm

#36 ChenZhen

Would Iran actually use nukes on Israel preemtively, considering the consequences?

Depends on how many they got. Irans #1 target would be the Saudi oil fields... freak the oil markets, push prices permanently into the $200-$300 per barrel range, become the premier muslim power, etc...

59 Bar  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:24:04pm
What do you think our response would be if Mexican troops for two years had launched daily rocket attacks on San Diego — and bragged about it?

The next day would be known as “a day without a Mexican”, its that simple.

60 ayatollah ghilmeini  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:24:12pm

Politicians say many things to get elected.

No one imagined Bush would be as good on Israel as he has been.

I think Hunter and Fred are fine guys and true friends of Israel, but no candidate will be better on Israel than Rudy.

I worry about Hillary, the Jews who vote her in will be very sorry they did on that fateful day the mask drops.

61 ChenZhen  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:24:14pm

I'm just saying that with the complicating factors of regional fallout combined with destroying land and structures deemed holy by so many. Israel is so small and friendly neighbors are so close that I would think even a single nuke strike would be a disaster for them.

62 insanity police  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:25:23pm

Re: 52

We have sat in silence for much too long. The time has come. Please join us in calling for an open-ended boycott of British academics and
universities until all these cases of occupation are ended!

63 cousin it  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:25:34pm
Some of the more Web-savvy candidates are trying to score points with folks like us on the Net, but if you checked Giuliani's position, or Hillary's voting record, you'd see they were just as strongly pro-Israel as the rest of 'em.

Not that I'm recommending a vote for Hillary -- far from it. I'm just saying it is par for the course to be pro-Israel if you want to be taken seriously as the possible president of this country, or as a foreign-policy decider.

Which is as it should be.

Zombie...really disagree with this stance, it is very obvious who the puppeteer is behind Shrillary...strong speeches are a chasm away from strong actions and Soros isn't going to let any of the Defeatocrats support Israel. She is running as hard as she can away from her War Vote which tells me she only did it for political gain. Had she voted because she believed that Saddam presented a real danger then she would have no reason to deny that vote today. There is no way that anyone can ever believe anything she says because she, like her husband, has no moral compass or guiding principles therefore there is no way to gauge her personal beliefs. And that is becoming clearer with each passing day...

64 EC Marm  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:26:29pm

#36 ChenZhen

Would Iran actually use nukes on Israel preemtively, considering the consequences?

If you can believe that some child that fell down a well centuries ago and drowned will return someday - and nuking Israel will hasten that day - then the answer is yes. If you are a rational human being, the answer is no. You need to be certain that you can ascertain with a probability of 100% accuracy that the Islamic Republic of Iran is being governed by rational human beings.

Let me know what you decide about that, okay? But not in reading a 5 minute MSM headline story. Deep research is required.

65 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:26:40pm

zombie Hillary being pro Israel? C'mon that is only while visiting Jewish neighborhoods in NYC to get their money and pandering. She will make a pro Israeli statement in the morning and by the afternoon in front of an Arab crowd express here belief that the Paleos are the most oppressed group of people on the planet.
I think the last time Hillary did anything that she was sincere about is when she allegedly came into possesion of a bunch of FBI files which she hoped to use to blackmail her enemies.

66 Crimsonfisted  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:26:41pm
#9 newsjunkie_ky

Oh, wait Hunter (S.) Thompson, maybe that would fool the dems.


Good one.

67 jcr  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:26:43pm

Israel's restraint when it comes to responding to the rocket attacks is due primarily to their placing far too much weight on public opinion in the United States.

I hope they elect Netanyahu before Iran has nukes, or there will be hell to pay.

-jcr

68 maddogg  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:27:02pm

#56 JammieWearingFool

He was the fourth detainee to die in an apparent suicide at the camp, which holds about 380 captives. Another 395 detainees have been released or transferred to other governments since the camp opened in January 2002.

I say give the remaining 380 100 feet of paracord each and a box to stand on.

69 Carridine  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:27:59pm

#43 Jammie: Your Islamic Skydiving link provides another example of how, over a thousand years, ALL COMMON SENSE can be driven from the minds of believers!

Fully clothed, plummeting toward Earth at 130 MPH, and the imams and mullahs classify it as 'close physical contact'!

Mindless but extreme!

70 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:28:08pm

#36 ChenZhen
It's quite possible.

Iran president paves the way for arabs' imam return

This isn't a neocon zionist mistranslation. It's well documented from many different sources.
We're dealing with religious zealots here.

71 itellu3times  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:28:35pm

It's the gonzo
Hunter / Thompson
ticket!

72 abu_garcia  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:28:44pm
complicating factors of regional fallout

Concern for fallout is ridiculous in strategic terms. We detonated plenty out west and while there are surely individual tragedies, strategically the fallout is meaningless.

73 jcr  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:29:06pm

Irans #1 target would be the Saudi oil fields...

The most likely scenario there would be that Iran uses the nukes as a threat to keep the EU from opposing an invasion of the Arabian peninsula. Now, whether they could keep a lid on all the Sunnis who want to overthrow their new Shiite masters would be an interesting thing to see.

-jcr

74 Killgore Trout Stinks  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:29:28pm

#70 Killgore Trout
Missing link: Iran president paves the way for arabs' imam return
/you stink

75 Idle Drifter  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:30:06pm

It's foolish of our enemies to think that restraint means weakness and confuse it with appeasement. Restraint means the power to act outright but with the discipline to only act as a last resort. These people don’t know what true power awaits their destruction.

76 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:30:15pm

Both Thompson and Hunter invoke the warm and fuzzy feeling that we like to feel regarding the paradox that exists perpetually for the Israelis.

That's not enough. I respect both of them for their clarity of understanding, but when the rubber hits the road there will be many more tests to pass on the way to garnering my vote for any candidate in this race.

We are at one of those pivotal times in history where American (and Israeli) interests can be shattered by negative events, and I'm still waiting for the person who can clearly state the plan to get from the difficulties of today to a better place tomorrow.

And the entire world depends upon it. The person who takes office must have a comprehensive blueprint in place for how to successfully defend the democratic process against rabid fanatics whose essential aim is to destroy all that we have built.

I hope that the candidates understand that in this presidential election cycle, while immigration and education and health care and many more issues are important and valid topics worthy of discussion, none of that matters unless we are willing to defend ourselves from the progressive destruction of radical Islam.

Everything else is a peripheral issue, and it's not even close. Defend our institutions, and you will earn my vote. Give me a scant skeletal framework for a possible plan for the future, and to me you have already lost.

There's the challenge for every candidate on both sides. Get down to business and get it done and don't even begin to think about being late to the party. The party won't wait for you.

It really is now or never.

77 mjazzguitar  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:30:45pm

#52 insanity police
They made some pretty good points.

78 MJ  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:32:06pm

# 67 jcr
"I hope they elect Netanyahu before Iran has nukes, or there will be hell to pay".

Don't put too much faith in Netanyahu. He was total failure as PM. Weak beyond belief. If the American Sec of State or the President said jump, Bibi only asked how high. No guts to confront the Americans over issues of Israeli security.

79 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:32:38pm

Hillary is only pro whoever is paying her at the moment.
See here.
and Here.

But I am going to agree with Zombie, on substantive votes on Israel she is going to vote for Israel.

80 fredlike  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:32:45pm

Well if Fred runs and wins I can claim my moniker is in support of him.

It is really referring to a very obscure literary character.

81 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:34:23pm

Islamic text calls for election boycott

BRUSSELS – A French-language document is circulating in Brussels and on the internet calling on Muslims to boycott the elections on 10 June because they are "illegal," Le Soir reports.

The 12-page document is titled "Participer aux elections" (Taking part in the elections) and is being distributed among the Arab Muslim community in Brussels and online.

The document states that only Allah has the authority to make absolute laws. "Every Muslim who takes part in the elections is unfaithful," the text reads.

82 insanity police  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:35:07pm
83 Carridine  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:35:30pm

#36 ChenZhen: re 'actually USE nukes'...

Refusing, since May 23, 1844, to believe in the fulfillment of their own Islamic prophecies, the Iranian Muslims are now in the position of having to project those prophecies further forward, and ignore all that has happened since the Coming of the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Having turned away from the love and knowledge BROUGHT by the Twin Lights mentioned in Revelations, Iran fills itself with hatred and ignorance, doesn't it?

How many times over the last 5 years has Ahmadi-nejhad stood before massed Iranians and led them in 'Heil Hitler-oid' chants of "Death to Israel!", "Death to America!"

Yes, ChenZhen, any nukes acquired by Iran WILL BE USED, directly or indirectly, to bludgeon or threaten Iran's neighbors.

Iran is NOT a Baha'i nation.

84 mjazzguitar  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:35:37pm

#61 ChenZhen 5/31/2007 6:24:14 pm PDT


I'm just saying that with the complicating factors of regional fallout combined with destroying land and structures deemed holy by so many. Israel is so small and friendly neighbors are so close that I would think even a single nuke strike would be a disaster for them.

It would be a disaster for them because Israel would wipe them off the face of the earth.

85 Crimsonfisted  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:36:56pm
#80 fredlike 5/31/2007 6:32:45 pm PDT

Well if Fred runs and wins I can claim my moniker is in support of him.

It is really referring to a very obscure literary character.


Now I want to know who.

86 JammieWearingFool  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:37:12pm

Who knew Jimmy Carter had such mad skillz on the dancefloor?

87 dak  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:37:46pm

Israel should program automatic artillery response on the launch site.

Automatic. No human involved. Artillery radars can determine the launch point before the "shell" lands. Well within the tech realm.

You'll kill "civilians"? No, you are killing ... what's the word?... militants.

People that think Isarel are assholes will never change their mind anyway. The camps have been chosen long ago and no one will change opinion.

These people have never seen israel with the gloves off, mistake compassion and restraint for weakness. Give em a taste for a couple of months, see if it changes their attitude.

88 trip  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:37:58pm

Completely OT - sorry - I read that sitemeter is not playing nice these days and is not used here by Charles. My question - what is a good and trustworthy counter?

89 UncleSam  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:39:26pm

He's got it exactly right.
Hope he runs and wins.
He's got the clarity of thought and balls necessary to smash the Islamists.

90 zombie  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:41:35pm
#39 mj

I think Ron Paul, who, obviously, isn't going anywhere, is much less pro-Israel then anyone in the Republican race.

Ron Paul, like Kunich, is not a viable candidate. Just fringey lunatics using the campaign as platform for their comedy routines, a la Pat Paulsen and Wavy Gravy.

OK, to put it more precisely:

Aside from the chancrous Ron Raul (on the Repub side) and the horrible Obama, Edwards and Kucinich (on the Dem side), just about all (if not all) the candidates are very pro-Israel.

The degrees between them are pretty slight. One might be super-duper-pro-Israel, while another might be Ooper-super-duper-pro-Israel, but for all practical purposes they look pretty similar to me on this issue.

Of course, this makes me very happy. But it also means I'm not going to use this issue as the deciding factor in my vote, since they're all pretty similar.

(Not that I can vote in the Republican primary anyway, still being a registered Democrat.)

91 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:41:59pm

#61 ChenZhen
As muslim terrorists demonstrate daily Thailand and Baghdad; no one complains when muslims kill muslims or when muslims blow up mosques and holy sites. Collateral damage by muslims will hardly raise a single voice of protest.

92 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:42:05pm

#88 Trip

I'm using these guys, haven't used them long enough to recommend them one way or the other. They do have some nice features.

[Link: www.statcounter.com...]

93 Sheik Yur MnyMk'r  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:42:38pm

Zombie:

Although I have enjoyed your photo essays immensely, I must disagree with your take on how both sides of the political spectrum are equally pro Israel. The comments that Fred Thompson made were not made in front of AIPAC like Hillary's were. Pandering does not count.

94 ChenZhen[deleted]  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:43:13pm
95 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:43:57pm

Time was, if a few hot, young Shawnee or Lakota braves raided a settler's house and killed all the adults and children inside, the whole village from which the hotheads stormed out was razed; and their corn, as was the corn of Carthage under the sanguinary hands of the republican Romans, was "salted." Perhaps that was overkill and perhaps some amends are due Native Americans, who, after all, were in prior possession of the land; but my point is this: the response, often taken by local militia rather than by troops of the central government, was VIGOROUS and, at the time, unapologetic.

Compare today, when the "Indians" possess none of the legitimacy that we could concede to those tribes who faced us on the frontier two hundred years ago. And what interferes with a now urgently just response? A bunch of effin' pc moonbats who run the legacy media, whose clerics run today's "established church" (the universities), and who have subverted not a few members in each of the three branches of the federal government. (I should say "four;" let's not forget the permanent bureaucracy that the Constitution disdained to sanction).

Good God, where is Phil Sheridan when we *really* need him?

96 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:44:14pm

For now, at least, I am throwing my support behind Fred Thompson, rather than Rudy.

97 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:44:54pm

#93 Sheik Yur MnyMk'r
Nice nic.

98 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:45:00pm

#36 ChenZhen

At the risk of having rotten fruit thrown at me, I'll ask this question out of relative ignorance...

Would Iran actually use nukes on Israel preemtively, considering the consequences?

No rotten fruit here; it is a legitimate question. The answer, unfortunately is yes.

#61 ChenZhen

I'm just saying that with the complicating factors of regional fallout combined with destroying land and structures deemed holy by so many. Israel is so small and friendly neighbors are so close that I would think even a single nuke strike would be a disaster for them.

The Mad Mullahs are well aware of the probable result of a nuclear exchange with Israel:

[Former Iranian President and alleged "moderate" Ali Akhbar Hashemi] Rafsanjani said that Muslims must surround colonialism and force them [the colonialists] to see whether Israel is beneficial to them or not. If one day, he said, the world of Islam comes to possess the weapons currently in Israel's possession [meaning nuclear weapons] - on that day this method of global arrogance would come to a dead end. This, he said, is because the use of a nuclear bomb in Israel will leave nothing on the ground, whereas it will only damage the world of Islam.

They know Israel will retaliate with their own nukes, and they don't care.

99 ChenZhen  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:45:04pm

my #94

on me?

100 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:46:49pm

Fred says all the right things, but sorry he's not laying out any concrete positions here. I don't consider him a serious candidate. In the senate what did he do?

101 Roger  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:48:21pm

#80 fredlike

I know! Phoebe Kates' Drop Dead Fred!

102 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:50:09pm
103 johnconv  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:53:08pm

FRED; Law and Order at the border!

104 Iron Fist  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:54:07pm

#100 Thanos,

What has the Hildabeast done? Obama? Silky Pony?

They are all in the Senate. That appears to be it.

Same for Fred, but he's also a Republican.

:-)

105 Jheka  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:55:36pm

#10 jrdroll:

I have said before that I think that that is about the strongest ticket that the Republicans could possibly field. Thompson would shore up many of Rudy's weaker points, both on ideology and in terms of geography. Thompson also has the inside the beltway experience and connections that Rudy lacks. The two men have similar temperments and would compliment each other so long as they could work together.

Rudy is my clear #1. I'll have to hear more from Thompson but I do like what I hear so far.

106 rightymouse  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:55:39pm

I haven't been this jazzed about a candidate since Guiliani threw his hat into the Prez ring.

What an interesting election this is going to be!

107 EC Marm  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:56:42pm

#100 Thanos
This site may be helpful to you:
[Link: www.ontheissues.org...]

/He didn't score 100% with me, but better than every other candidate, so far.

108 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:56:56pm

Anyone see anything in our media about this or know what it was about?

[Link: www.dailytimes.com.pk...]

109 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:57:38pm

#104 Iron Fist

What has the Hildabeast done? Obama? Silky Pony?

None of them have done a positive thing for America, including their own districts.

The only one thing that any of them can claim, is,

"I was for it before I was against it".

It's a complete joke, that any of those that you mentioned, are even in the running for POTUS.

They have done nothing positive for America, and their voting records on firearms, all, is 100% anti-gun, and 100% pro-tax.

110 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:57:41pm

oops forgot the story

WASHINGTON: Authorities evacuated the US Department of Transportation and one side of the Department of Energy in Washington on Thursday as they investigated at least two suspicious packages, a fire spokesman said.

“There was a call for a HazMat (hazardous materials) inspection” at the Department of Transportation, which was evacuated, Washington Fire Department public affairs chief Tony Dorsey told AFP.

One side of the Department of Energy nearby in the US federal capital also was evacuated after a suspicious package was reported there, he said. Though the US media reported multiple suspicious packages, Dorsey said he was only aware of two.

There was no immediate information on the investigation of the packages, which was underway at 1750 GMT, Dorsey added. afp

111 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:57:56pm

#106 rightymouse
Although I like Fred, he's going to take away a lot of support for my man main Rudy.

112 Dr. Shalit  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:58:18pm

I AM AMAZED -

This is Fred's Swansong, like when Ronald Maximus was on Radio. It was WRC in DC as I remember it. I remember former Pres. Reagan signing off as a radio commentator. I never thought he could make it. Of course I was still a "Lib" at the time. Trujavascript:return(false);
Boldthfully, I supported Kennedy though I was "Hatched" at the time. Was a member of the Montgomery Co., Dem club at the time though I voted absentee from NJ, we thought
"Tedward" could/would do better than Carter vs
the Iranians. Yes, we thought "Tedward" would be tougher. Guess that was a mistake. Especially considering evidence deduced since then that he was a SOVIET SYMPATHIZER, and yes Edward M.Kennedy, I said it and am willing to be sued for the statement. "Tedward's" campaign was halted ON NATIONAL TV by none other than ROGER MUDD - decendant of Dr. Mudd who some consider a Confederate Hero. I remember that night well. Was with my S.O. who I married and later was Divorced by. She thought he did well - I told her he was DEAD IN THE WATER as of that night. Someone was right. It just MIGHT have been me and the rest of the Nation.
OK - Enough ranting for One Night.

-S-

113 Elcid  Thu, May 31, 2007 6:58:45pm

Meet Fred Thompson

From the Courthouse
to the White House
Fred Thompson auditions for the leading role.
by Stephen F. Hayes

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]


I was 30 minutes late. Thompson, who was on the phone with Howard Baker, his political mentor, didn't seem to care. He hung up, extended his large hand, offered a friendly greeting, and led me to his office. We were alone. Thompson's work space looks just like what the home office of a successful politician or CEO should look like--though a little messier: a large desk, dark wood, leather furniture, lots of books and magazines and newspapers, a flat-screen TV, and box upon box of cigars--Montecristos from Havana.

The presence of the cigars and the absence of a press chaperone were clues that Thompson is taking a different approach to his potential candidacy. A campaign flack would have insisted on hiding the cigars--Senator, how did you get those Cuban cigars? Isn't there a trade embargo?--and might have dampened Thompson's natural candor. On subjects ranging from Social Security to abortion, the CIA and to Iran, there would be lots of candor over the next several hours.
---------------------

Once a lawyer, he had a brief stint with the U.S. attorney's office, then went into private practice--"hung out my shingle," he says--and volunteered to work for Howard Baker's reelection campaign for Senate in 1972. Shortly after Baker returned to Washington he asked Thompson to join him for what he thought would be a short-term project. A special committee had been established to look into the Committee to Reelect President Richard M. Nixon, and Baker, the panel's top Republican, asked Thompson to serve as minority counsel. Thompson could often be seen at Baker's side as the investigation grew from a routine oversight hearing into the proceedings that would cause a president to resign. Thompson, who wrote a book about his experiences called At That Point in Time: The Inside Story of the Senate Watergate Committee, asked the question that led to the revelation of the White House taping systems. "Mr. Butterfield, are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the President?" And Thompson is often credited with feeding Baker the line that would become one of the most famous of an era: "What did the president know and when did he know it?"

Thompson says he passed up several offers with big Washington law firms to return to Nashville, where he entered a private practice with two law school classmates. He took the case of Marie Ragghianti, the head of Tennessee's Parole and Pardons Board. Ragghianti had grown concerned about what she saw as a pattern of suspicious pardons ordered from the office of Governor Ray Blanton. Her suspicions were later confirmed and Blanton was forced from office in a cash-for-clemency scandal that continued until his last day.

114 Carridine  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:00:42pm

#61 ChenZhen:

"I would think even a single nuke strike would be a disaster for them."

YOU are a rational thinker.
THEY are religious zealots, for whom such disaster is PRECISELY THE OUTCOME THEY DESIRE!

115 Iron Fist  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:00:48pm

#109 republic,

I actually find it frightening that they are taken seriously. Thompson is the first from either party I like.

And a lot of that is that he ain't any of the others.

116 christheprofessor  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:00:59pm

#107 EC Marm

Great link, thanks....

117 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:01:01pm

#111 K Trout

#106 rightymouse
Although I like Fred, he's going to take away a lot of support for my man main Rudy.

Fred/Rudy 2008

Rudy/Fred 2008

There could be a very good balance there, and very electable, I might add.

118 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:01:39pm

The ideal GOP candidate would recognize the world-wide threat of radical Islam and not mince words about it, and would recognize the profound difference between legal and illegal immigration and not mince words about it.

Of the declared (and undeclared) candidates, Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson are the closest to that, but there are no Ronald Reagans out there.

119 Uriah_lost  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:02:39pm
#84 mjazzguitar 5/31/2007 6:35:37 pm PDT

#61 ChenZhen 5/31/2007 6:24:14 pm PDT


I'm just saying that with the complicating factors of regional fallout combined with destroying land and structures deemed holy by so many. Israel is so small and friendly neighbors are so close that I would think even a single nuke strike would be a disaster for them.

It would be a disaster for them because Israel would wipe them off the face of the earth.

Remember that they are insane and welcome death. Remember how they gladly sent their children to die in the war against Iraq as "Improvised Explosive Device Detectors"?

120 Bad Penny  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:04:25pm

It's true that all the major candidates voice support for Israel, but we have to decide who is believable and who is not.

Hillary was too cozy with Arafat. Rudy told Arafat to take a flying leap.* On paper their positions probably sound similar, but Rudy has the courage of his convictions. I think that Fred would too.

*Somebody refresh my memory; didn't Rudy deny police protection to Arafat when he visited NYC? And don't forget how Rudy told the sheik to eff off with his $10 million check after 9/11.

121 guzziguy  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:04:45pm

Great! Fred has a correct answer on my 2-question test for my presidential vote. He appears tough on terrorists. Now, for the win, What is his plan for the millions of illegal invaders in our country?

122 kevinmumaw  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:06:06pm

I decided a while ago Fred was my man. Now he just beeds to declare. I'm pretty sure he can win Tennessee, unlike Al Snore.

123 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:06:18pm

#115 Iron Fist

#109 republic,

I actually find it frightening that they are taken seriously.

Hillary, Obama, Edwards, have zero compitence and experience to actually be POTUS.

They have been on the losing side of every issue, and their collective "euphorian dreams", have failed, since the beginning of man, by every person who has tried them.

None of those three should be on anything, save a village board somewhere, and yet, they are the "frontrunners" of the Communist party USA.

124 kevinmumaw  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:06:31pm

NEEDS - not beeds! Duh.

125 Bad Penny  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:07:10pm

Ironfist, you are a retard and give us all a bad name. Could you please act like or grown up or else just please go away?

126 rightymouse  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:07:10pm

#111 Killgore Trout

Although I like Fred, he's going to take away a lot of support for my man main Rudy.

I like Rudy too but he's a bit shakey on a few issues that are going to concern a lot of conservatives. Fred has a way of stripping away the BS and getting to the point. He has a knack for painting a picture with words - sort of a Mark Steyn of politics. Fred also has a terrific sense of humor that I've yet to see from Guiliani - but it's possible I haven't been paying close enough attention. :)

127 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:08:09pm

#36

Do you want to take a chance on "Dinner Jacket's" sanity? On whether he might merely be engaging in a subtle strategy? I don't. I take him as Hitler should have been taken in the 1930's.

And, if wiser men than I can find the way to impose an appropriately final solution, I'll never quibble. Such a solution, while never justified when directed against innocent civilians whose only "crime" is to be Jewish, is entirely appropriate when directed against murdering fanatics who have abandoned reason. It was appropriate in August, 1945, against bushido, and it will be appropriate against jihad.

... And thank God most of the judicial class knew to give the middle finger to the apprakchiks of the ACLU back in the days when Truman sent Enola Gay to end the war.

128 EC Marm  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:08:16pm

#121 guzziguy
“No matter how much lipstick Washington tries to slap onto this legislative pig, it’s not going to win any beauty contests.” Fred Thompson
link(s) or better, directly from Fred

129 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:08:51pm

Babbazee are you out there tonight?

130 Iron Fist  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:09:17pm

#123 republic,

Yeet they stand a not unreasonable chance of winning.

Scary.

For all of us.

131 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:09:44pm

#120 Bad Penny

Hillary was too cozy with Arafat. Rudy told Arafat to take a flying leap.* On paper their positions probably sound similar, but Rudy has the courage of his convictions. I think that Fred would too.

Never forget Hillary's outragous rants towards her husband,

"Fucking Jew Bastard", among many others.

Those are her documented exact words, not mine.

That should sum it up for anyone who has any doubts about Hillary's support of Israel.

Obama?

"Those poor Palestinians, we need to do more for them".

I'll keep what we need to do to them all, to myself.

132 Carridine  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:09:44pm

#124 Kevin: yr finners have a code? Dybing deeds sub pragdiss?

133 Bad Penny  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:10:06pm

Rudy would make a great Attorney General.

134 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:10:25pm

#117 republic

Fred/Rudy 2008

Frudy!

#126 rightymouse

Fred certainly has more charisma but I still find Rudy to be more genuine. I'm surprised Rudy has as much conservative support as he does.

135 rappmandu  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:11:01pm

I hope Thompson's non-Hodgkin's lymphoma stays in remission.

136 whiterasta  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:11:42pm

With his pro-Zionist symaphies, there is no way in Hell Mr. Thompson will ever be elected.

CNN and the moonbats will see to that.

Damn shame.

137 christheprofessor  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:11:55pm

#122 kevinmumaw

I decided a while ago Fred was my man. Now he just beeds to declare. I'm pretty sure he can win Tennessee, unlike Al Snore.

For what it's worth, Al Snore lost TN in 2000....

138 christheprofessor  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:12:55pm

re: my #137

Sorry, kevinmumaw -- misread your post (I thought you thought he won it -- my bad!)...

139 JeepThang  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:12:59pm

Fred Thompson will be president in '08.
Why?
He's defending Israel.. and probably means it.

140 jwbaumann  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:13:10pm

OT

Another home-schooler just won the Scripps National Spelling Bee.

141 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:13:25pm

#130 Iron Fist

#123 republic,

Yeet they stand a not unreasonable chance of winning.

I hear you.

Algore and Jon Fwance Carri also had a decent shot at POTUS, and both, were defeated, when it came down to it.

As much as they have a chance of winning, I think when it comes down to American voters voting, America will do the right thing, in spite of the millions of illegals who will be voting for the Democrat.

142 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:14:52pm

Fred should hire out as a spokesmodel, yes he's good with rhetoric, but what the heck has he done besides vote party line in the senate? What bills did he author and fight for? What did he sponsor or co-sponsor....?

He got smacked around in the corruption investigations by John Glenn, and he kind of failed in the impeachment thing.

He says the right things I completely agree, but would he be calling Israel back-channel to "lighten up" if they were fighting HAMAS? It's an unknown to me because he's not clearly stating what exactly he supports as Duncan Hunter very clearly did. As Rudy always does. As Tom Tancredo always does, albeit through a stammer.

143 Iron Fist  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:14:54pm

#137 christheprofessor,

All the shit about Florida in 2000 was just that: shit.

If Algore had won Tennessee, Flroida would have superflous.

Oops.

144 Iron Fist  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:15:54pm

#141 republic,

Hope you are right.

145 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:17:14pm

#144 Iron Fist

#141 republic,

Hope you are right.

I'm locked and loaded no matter who wins.

146 simonml  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:17:21pm

Anybody remember when some lunatic posted messages about Charles and LGF stating that the site was anti semitic because Charles wanted people to hate Muslims and thereby set up a counter psychology of loving Muslims and hating their sworn enemy the Jews? (Definitely paraphrased and misquoted, but aptly summarized)

I was thinking about that again and it made my head hurt.

147 Jheka  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:17:37pm

#139 JeepThang:

Fred Thompson will be president in '08.
Why?
He's defending Israel.. and probably means it.

And that distinguishes him from Rudy/McCain/Hunter/T. Thompson/Romney/Huckabee/Tancredo/Gilmore/ Brownback/Gingrich how, exactly?

O/T:

Louis Freeh has endorsed Rudy.

148 Joan Not of Arc  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:17:41pm

He's right. Wars cannot be fought by the press but according to the matters before them. Since its inception, Israel has fought off so many enemies and it still does. If anything, they haven't gone far enough. The world (or at least the press) is fooling itself if it thinks no nation, especially Israel, shouldn't or couldn't protect itself.

149 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:17:52pm

#134 Killgore Trout

Fred certainly has more charisma but I still find Rudy to be more genuine. I'm surprised Rudy has as much conservative support as he does.

A great many people remember his truly laudable display of leadership on 9/11 and the days after. This is the Rudy Giuliani the voters still see. His pro-choice politics are not an issue with me, but I continue worry about him being hamstrung by political correctness.

150 El matamoros  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:17:58pm

The man knew EXACTLY how many rockets have been shot into Israel in the last 2 years! How many People (even Lizards!) know that?

I've said it before and ill say it again,

RUN FRED RUN!

Though at this point its pretty much a foregone conclusion that he IS running. FOX news has said as much, and if you put the pieces together it makes sense.
THough people have put his announcement in the 4th of july, i still think that is too late. They are already gearing up for the THIRD televised debate. If you look at all the things he is, he has a LOT going for him. Im sorry to say but North east Liberal Republicans just dont cut it. He's a southern Repub with an attitude, common sense, does'nt FILP FLOP or try to have as many positions on issues as The Karma Sutra has POsitions for hanky panky. In the primaries that is a formula for success. Problem is, he's GOT to get out there, get some name recognition, let people who are wary of the current crop of RINO repubs know that he is the one for them.

151 LilTrixter  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:18:38pm

#13

i think Hillary would 1st stick her finger into the air to determine which way the "wind" was blowing before she would or wouldn't support Israel's right to defend itself or commit the US to aiding the only other Democracy in the ME.

152 Sgt.Slappy  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:18:43pm

Tick, tick, tick... the longer we (the Western world) twiddle our collective thumbs, the more time we give Iran's program to mature.

...and the genocidal outcome has already been announced.

Our course of action seems pretty clear. Why are we stuck idling the motor?

Let's roll.

153 christheprofessor  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:18:50pm

#143 Iron Fist

Yup. I remember driving through NE Tennessee in October of 2000 and seeing hardly any "Sore/Loserman" signs in yards -- plenty of Bush/Cheney signs, though.

154 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:19:37pm

I think the plus for Rudy and Fred is that characteristic called LEADERSHIP. They have that certain ability to inspire confidence in those around them. Leadership is the ability to decide on a course of action, iniate that action and accomplish the mission by making the led believe in themselves and their ability to accomplish the mission no matter what obstacles exist or are encountered. In laymans's terms getting folks to walk through hell in gasoline soaked underwear for you. While many are placed in position of leadership few are truly leaders. Contrast Gen Wesley Clark and Gen Norman Schwarztcofph (sp).
In these trying times and among people who realize what the threat is that we face we need leaders.

155 rightymouse  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:20:45pm

#134 Killgore Trout

Fred certainly has more charisma but I still find Rudy to be more genuine. I'm surprised Rudy has as much conservative support as he does.

What I like about both is that they don't come across as "packaged". Hope that makes sense. They both look and sound like breaths of fresh air that we conservatives need so badly.

Am sick of RINOS.

156 Elcid  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:21:06pm

117 republic

Fred/Rudy 2008

Rudy/Fred 2008

While both men are ass kickers, Guiliani being more volatile, cleaning up Mafia bosses and making NYC safer with his "broken window" theory.

Thompson somewhat more "Southern Gentlemanly", in kicking Nixon's people around during Watergate and leading a sitting Tennessee Governor into disgraced removal.

I find it hard to believe, that the ego of these two men, would allow one or the other, to be VP.

157 transient  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:21:30pm

#90 zombie

But it also means I'm not going to use this issue as the deciding factor in my vote, since they're all pretty similar.

This was my take on things before Arafat started his terror war in 2000. After it became clear that Israel faced, and continues to face, an existential threat, the candidates' positions on Israel became important.

All candidates pander to the pro-Israel constituency when they run for office, and they may even vote "the right way" in Congress. Historically, when they get into office, they proceed to do whatever the hell they want. All presidents in the last 35 years or so have at times put inappropriate (IMO) pressure on Israel--even the presidents who were "pro-Israel."

When Israel was not facing existential crises in the 80's and 90's, I was willing to overlook this. Now I am less willing. Bush has set a new standard. Bush has been the only president willing to make demands of the Palestinians as well as the Israelis.

Frankly, I do not trust Hillary on this. I do not trust her sincerity. I think she is perfectly capable of screwing Israel once in office. My impression of her was that if anything, she leaned more to the Palestinians than her husband, and now I would not be willing to accept more pressure on Israel than Bill exerted.

Furthermore, I am still not convinced that any Democratic candidate truly recognizes that (radical) Islam is at war with the West, and if they don't understand this, they will be more tempted to pressure Israel in order to appease the oil ticks.

I voted for Dem presidents until 2004, but it will be very hard to vote for a Dem until one of them convinces me s/he understands we are truly at war.

I'm rooting for Rudy.

158 Cartman  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:23:13pm

#134 Killgore

I'm surprised Rudy has as much conservative support as he does.

For me personally, there's one and only one reason, and that would be his hardcore stance on the WOT. Nothing else about the man appeals to me in the least, as a conservative.

159 Jheka  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:23:27pm

#150 El matamoros:

The man knew EXACTLY how many rockets have been shot into Israel in the last 2 years! How many People (even Lizards!) know that?


Anyone with an internet connection and 30 seconds to use it could get that information ... I expect that Fred was given the information by a research assistant. Frankly, it doesn't matter whether he has that sort of information memorized or not.

160 Leonidasofsparta  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:24:15pm

Give 'em hell, Fred, you steely eyed missile man! You've got my vote.

161 WeaselZipper  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:26:07pm

Way the hell OT:

Man uses the old "Cream on my penis" trick...

If she isn't lying then she could be the dumbest chick on Earth.

A Syrian-born airline pilot allegedly tricked a schoolteacher from Haverfordwest into having sex with him by pretending he had to administer ointment on the end of his penis, a jury heard yesterday (Tuesday).

162 T. Jefferson  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:26:39pm

I remember Olmert’s handling of the recent war with Hezbollah. Seems like electing a leader with some military savvy is Israel’s most important survival requirement.


Come to think of it, so is ours.

163 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:26:52pm

Ok next time someone sees Babbazee, please pass her this link, I think she will have a lot of fun with it.

164 Elcid  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:30:16pm

I should add, that Guiliani's leadership, during and after 9/11, was without question the glue that held that city together.

It took guts and a cool hand to attend as many funerals as he did.

Thompson, is bulldog. Guiliani, PIT bull.

I could see one as SOS...but then trying to clean that bureaucratic bullshit Department, would take away from, there real job and with either of these two, that real job would be to tell the candy asses of the world in blunt terms, to get, for the lack of a better word, stuffed.

165 jim in virginia  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:31:25pm

First Duncan Hunter, then Fred Thompson. see guest posts soon from ten other candidates, and maybe Newt too.
Who says Republicnas aren't net smart?

166 WeaselZipper  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:33:24pm

#165 jim in va.

Mr. Ron Paul is on deck. Along with 10,000 spammers..

167 ciaospirit  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:34:54pm

I hope people think long term on these candidates because it's ultimately the judges appointed by the President that have the biggest effect on our lives. The President is around for eights years at most, but judges he/she appoints could be in power for the next twenty or thirty years.

168 New York's Michael  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:35:12pm

On the one hand I hope he runs because of how he sounds but then again once he runs he will be investigated and dirt will come out.

169 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:35:17pm

At this point in time, I prefer Rudy to Fred Thompson, mainly because Rudy has already declared and because he has quite unambiguously stated what he wants to accomplish as president, which goals I enthusiastically support. Fred Thompson seems like a good man, a contemplative man, who would make a fine VP or Secretary of State. But because I am much more concerned that we should find an electable Republican who will prosecute the GWOT with the same vigor that FDR prosecuted the war against the Nazis, and I am not today so concerned with a pure conservative domestic agenda, I'll stay with Rudy unless I should discover that Fred is possessed of some kind of unassailable charisma that would guarantee he can defeat the Hildabeast. (I'll accept it as given that either he or Rudy could defeat Obama: an intelligent, articulate man, but far too utopian to win an election in a county that still refuses to call itself "Belgium.")

170 kevinmumaw  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:36:43pm

#132 Carridine

Normally PIMF, however as today is my first day of a much needed 30 day vacation, I am unusually care-free.


#137 christheprofessor

No problem, being as I have been a resident of Tennessee for almost 7 years now courtesy of the US Army, I can tell you that Al Gore is not in the top 25 of popular politicians in this state. And I can only imagine how embarassing it must have been for him to lose his OWN state. Of course, he probably only maintains a nominal residence here because Tennessee is one of the few states that has no income tax. His real residence is DC and everyone knows it.

171 Jim in Virginia  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:38:55pm

Not too far off topic:
Ad wars on DC Metrorail: pro Israel vs pro Palestinian

after pro-Palestinian groups spent $10,000 on ads promoting a June 10 rally at the Capitol, pro-Israel groups shelled out $17,500 for their own ads.

Sure hope there is a counter rally on 10 June.

172 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:40:13pm

Thanos, why don't you run over to her blog?

173 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:42:02pm

Thompson, Hunter, a pissed-off Syria (and Iran), AP gets it right...I leave for seven hours or so and all kinds of good stuff happens.

174 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:42:47pm

#161 WeaselZipper

A Syrian-born airline pilot allegedly tricked a schoolteacher from Haverfordwest into having sex with him by pretending he had to administer ointment on the end of his penis, a jury heard yesterday (Tuesday).

Under the laws of islam, the woman now needs to be hung?

In Iran, they would hoist her up with a crane.

Under Taliban law, she would be shot in a packed stadium in Afhganistan, in the head, with cameras rolling.

I'm sure she'll be condemned, no matter where she is.

175 ChenZhen  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:44:03pm

#163 Thanos 5/31/2007 7:26:52 pm PDT

Ok next time someone sees Babbazee, please pass her this link, I think she will have a lot of fun with it.

She does have a blog she seems to be pretty active on:

[Link: babbazeesbrain.blogspot.com...]

176 1SG(ret)  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:45:34pm

#170 kevinmumaw

Hey Kevin. Hows it looking for the 04 list? No big trips for you soon I hope. have a good leave.

Top

177 Elcid  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:47:33pm

125 Bad Penny

Ironfist, you are a retard and give us all a bad name. Could you please act like or grown up or else just please go away?

First, it's Iron Fist.

Second, you jest, correct?

Third, if not, DO!

178 DesertSage  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:50:07pm

President Bush has fallen on his sword and taken one for the team.

With the Iraq war going badly, the '08 election was the Democrats chance to win the White House...it was theirs to lose.

Bush, by aligning himself with the Democrats with this amnesty bill, has given Republicans room to run against him and the Democrats.
Bush is essentially a Democrat now, for the purpose of Republican candidates.

Republicans who generally support Bush on achieving victory in Iraq have the freedom to run against Bush who aligned himself with Democrats on amnesty.

It's a win/win. Thank you president Bush for taking one for the team.

179 WeaselZipper  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:51:11pm

OT:

Pakistani Man Sentenced to Death for "Blasphemy"...

Ridiculous, these judges had almost no choice but to convict him, if they didn't they would be the next ones brought up on charges.

180 m1rth  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:53:11pm

Mexicans who illegally invaded our country steal, cheat, steal people's identities and social security numbers every day.

Mexicans who illegally invaded our country MURDER 25 Americans every day.

We don't seem to do shit.

181 rightymouse  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:56:20pm

#179 WeaselZipper

Ridiculous, these judges had almost no choice but to convict him, if they didn't they would be the next ones brought up on charges.

Sounds exactly like communism, doesn't it?

182 WeaselZipper  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:56:45pm
183 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:58:14pm

#178 Interesting observation, Sage.

I often wondered if the man played poker.

184 solomonpanting  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:59:17pm

#18 mjazzguitar

If missiles are fired from the West Bank, I hope that Israel would respond appropriately.

I don't. I hope they'd respond as though their survival depended upon it.

185 rightymouse  Thu, May 31, 2007 7:59:48pm

#182 WeaselZipper

Bwahahahahahahaha! Wonder how long that pic will stay up at Yahoo. Too funny!

186 squarepeg  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:00:26pm

#16 zombie

The point I'm trying to make is that none of the Republican candidates really stands out as more pro-Israel than any of the others.

Yes. This forum reminds me a little of Act I of King Lear today. "Tell me, Which of you shall we say doth love us most."

187 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:01:14pm

#177 Elcid

125 Bad Penny
Ironfist, you are a retard and give us all a bad name. Could you please act like or grown up or else just please go away?

First, it's Iron Fist.

Second, you jest, correct?

Third, if not, DO!

Apparently you did not see comment #53. It was deleted for a reason.

188 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:02:41pm

#184 solomonpanting

If missiles are fired from the West Bank, I hope that Israel would respond appropriately.

I don't. I hope they'd respond as though their survival depended upon it.

Absolutely!

189 m  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:04:03pm

#182 WeaselZipper

How many does this tom morrow person need?!
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! Rightymouse !

190 Pastorius  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:04:50pm

Fred Thompson's statement strikes me as so much clearer, and passionate than that of Duncan Hunter.

191 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:05:17pm

Am I just too reactionary if I suggest the IDF apply the Phil Sheridan treatment to the Gaza renegades who fire off those small but pernicious missiles?

192 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:05:27pm

Noticed two "M's" in tomorrow right away...

193 marjoriemoon  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:05:28pm

A little late to the party, but Zombie is most correct, way up there.

Have you seen govtrack.us? Tells you how the Congress is voting, what bills are introduced, etc. and everyone's voting record. Enter "Israel" into the search to see what's current.

Here is the topic "Israel". You can also click through past sessions on the side bar.

Last I checked, maybe last fall, the Congressional voting record was like 88% pro-Israel. Some as low as 82% and others as high as 95%... both Rep and Dem on various topics concerning the country.

194 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:07:17pm

#190 Pastorius

Although Congressman Hunter did address his comments directly to Charles and us LGF readers. Good on him for that.

195 rightymouse  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:07:17pm

#189 m

! m ! :)

196 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:07:28pm
197 WeaselZipper  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:09:09pm

#181 rightymouse

Exactly like the kangaroo courts during the days of communism (the good 'ole days for the Dems)

198 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:10:37pm

Isn't the background of the Hillary pic actually a PowerPoint slide? If it is, who wouldn't notice the mistake and just do a quick edit on the slide?

I've actually edited a slide on the fly in a nationwide Web teleconference. It turned out to be a key piece of information I needed my audience to pay attention to and remember. The gaff worked pretty well.

Heh.

199 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:10:58pm

#196 taxfreekiller

Hate to be a party pooper.

Yo, Mr. Thompson, have you ever just looked the former Lt. John F. Kerry in the eye and said...

It is conceivable he did so in private. We'll never know. Doing so in public would look like posturing for headlines, and Thompson's got more class than that, IMHO.

200 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:10:58pm

#190 Pastorius

More passionate I'll give you, Fred knows how to throw the red meat in the right direction. Clearer? What's his position on missile defense for Israel? The Wall? Return of land?

What does Israel need more: passion, or missile defense?

201 WeaselZipper  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:11:35pm

#185 rightymouse
#189 m

You would think she would have noticed the HUGE sign behind her?

Then again she's an idiot...

202 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:12:16pm

#196 taxfreekiller

Powerful statement. Has anybody actually brassed whimpy Kerry_Fearey with it?

203 PeaceAtAllCosts  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:13:04pm

I used to have the greatest respect and admiration for President Bush when he boldly spoke about protecting our ally Israel.

Slowly but surely, Bush has backed off of these type of statements-and has directed Rice to sell out Israel by conducting sham "peace" talks with that stalwart of peace lovers, Mr. Abbas. What B*llshit!

Perhaps George has seen the reality of attempting to shield Israel. Lets face facts, the current Israeli government and her electorate are sheep & have lost their will to defend themselves as evidenced by last years debacle and loss in Lebanon.

In his speech, Thompson poses the question about what Americans would do if Mexico or Canada attacked us with rockets. He asserts we would defend ourselves. I'm not so sure. We have a leftwing in this country who would feel fine if we were destroyed or lost our bearings as a superpower.

We are just one step away from having a Democratic party beholden to Soros and his crowd of America haters. Don't tell me that Pelosi, Reid or Hillary have the spine to put up their dukes.....It ain't going to happen.

For the record-I love that Thompson is willing to stand by Israel. I just have my doubt about Israel's willingness to fight for herself-and if even we have the cahones to do what's right.

204 rightymouse  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:13:25pm

#197 WeaselZipper

Exactly like the kangaroo courts during the days of communism (the good 'ole days for the Dems)

Yeppers. Still happens today. Communism ain't dead yet.

205 WeaselZipper  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:13:36pm

righty

I saved and posted it on my site, so when the inevitable Yahoo takedown occurs we can still can have a good laugh

206 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:13:47pm

#201 Weasel

Shrillary

207 rightymouse  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:19:04pm

#201 WeaselZipper

If it was a PowerPoint presentation, I would think that any professional would have had a run-through prior to going live with the darn thing.

Then again, as you say, she's an idiot. Probably didn't catch the spelling error. Of course neither did the idiot who put it together.

Too funny. LOL!

/It's a full moon too. HAHA!

208 Abu Maven  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:19:22pm

I've listened to about 10 of the podcasts. Thompson's great. He's got a Reagan-like "Great Communicator" style to him. Thompson is officially on my radar now.

209 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:20:12pm

It's interesting that there are comments about which party supports Israel more than the other.

Of the two parties, of their bases, which supports Israel more?

The left's base, which is the Democrat party, is as anti-semetic, anti-Israel as there is, right next to the islamofascists.

I have many in my family, who are outspoken against Israel, Catholic, racists and they are Democrats, and they are not kook leftists, they are just sorely wrong.

Look no further than the blog of the Democrats, the Daily Kos.

That is exactly how the current Democrat candidates would vote, because if it comes down to the security of America, and Israel, the Democrats base is strictly against it, and we all know that Democrats govern by how the kook wind is blowing.

The Republican base, at least the great majority, have most always supported Israel.

Now you have a good look at the two bases, and it's quite clear, who supports Israel.

210 Killian Bundy  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:20:27pm

Okay, I dare you, see if you can wrap your head around this.

Was Israel behind Air France hijacking of 1976?

The Israelis may have been behind the hijacking of an Air France airbus at Entebbe, according to an extraordinary claim in secret Government documents released yesterday.

The Israeli Secret Service, the Shin Beit, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) joined forces in an "unholy alliance" to seize the aeroplane in June 1976 and re-write French Middle East policy, it was suggested.

The theory, recalled by a British diplomat at the Paris Embassy, comes from a contact at the Euro-Arab Parliamentary Association.

/sounds credible to me

211 rightymouse  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:20:29pm

#205 WeaselZipper

I saved and posted it on my site, so when the inevitable Yahoo takedown occurs we can still can have a good laugh

Excellent! :)

212 cbinflux  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:20:47pm
213 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:20:56pm

#206 Thanos

Good one! Have you familiar with the Greek myth of the Eumenides? ... Let me just say that there is a real correlation between the Honored Dames and the revenge of those objective agents that punish us citizens when we forsake the wisdom of our Founding Fathers.

214 J.D.  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:21:48pm

#178 Desert Sage
Right you are. Again!

215 BabbaZee  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:21:50pm

Thanos~


Got it, thanks

/Had a huge T-Storm, lost power...


Run Fred, run.

216 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:22:00pm

#213 Myself

Let's try "Are you familiar" in the first line, shall we?

217 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:22:16pm

#204 rightymouse

Yeppers. Still happens today. Communism ain't dead yet.

It just goes under a new name.

Hillary's "Shared Prosperity"

If she wins, prepare to pay up to 75% in taxes.

In fact, if any of the Dems win, prepare.

218 cbinflux  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:22:20pm

OT
Is Chavez Stifling the Media?

TIME/CNN headline.

/TIME to get a clue.

219 JustTanya  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:23:53pm

#206 Thanos

heh heh heh! :)

---

I like Fred.

---

Re: Rudy

Although I don't agree with his many of his social positions (esp. abortion) and am concerned about his 2nd Amendment position, he is very open and honest about what he believes. It seems that he's for real. If elected, we'd know what we were getting. I would vote for him above anyone the dems put up.

---

I am pleased that we are hearing from some of the other candidates today. ("It's a good thing." :) Thanks, Charles.

220 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:25:30pm

Get our your No. 2 leads.

221 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:27:45pm

#220 Mandy Manners

Get our your No. 2 leads.

Hi Mandy!

How is the cherubs basketball camp going?

Does it give Mom a break?

222 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:28:18pm

#175 ChenZhen

#163 Thanos 5/31/2007 7:26:52 pm PDT

Ok next time someone sees Babbazee, please pass her this link, I think she will have a lot of fun with it.

She does have a blog she seems to be pretty active on:

[Link: babbazeesbrain.blogspot.com...]

Read it religiously, CZ. There is hope for you yet!

223 Elcid  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:29:13pm

187 Spiny Norman

Apparently you did not see comment #53. It was deleted for a reason.

Nope, sure didn't, came in late. But I know Iron Fist, personally...broke bread with the man, and he isn't anything close, in fact light years away from the non pc word used, "retard".

Now, in the "good old days" there were tons of us that made inappropriate, or over the top remarks remarks...In fact, I believe it was you and I, that T'd off on reaganite, one evening concerning his ruthless badgering and bullying of anyone and everyone, on any given night. That's why I stopped posting here, for a long damn time.

Some still do make over the top, remarks for whatever reason....but "retard", "go away", "bad name"?

With over 13,000 Iron Fist posts, Charles at any time, could have banned, God so many of us and now that I see in the not so distance past, Charles has used the Andrea "banning stick", If over the line or inappropriate remarks continue by the same person, he may well again.

224 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:29:55pm

#222 Mandy Manners

Read it religiously, CZ. There is hope for you yet!

CZ?

Cubic Zirconia?

:D

225 Durendal  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:30:26pm

this obviously blows away Hunter's letter (which is still appreciated)


can anyone still doubt that Fred is our guy for 2008?

226 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:30:27pm

LGF psster 207 and 214:

Absolutely!
If Thomas Jefferson were alive today studying the pronoucements of the Hildabeast, he would recall his words in the Declaration of Independence:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Need I say more?

227 rightymouse  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:30:42pm

#217 republic

It just goes under a new name.

Hillary's "Shared Prosperity"

If she wins, prepare to pay up to 75% in taxes.

In fact, if any of the Dems win, prepare.

That's what's so scary about the Dems, especially Shrillery. Shared Prosperity. What a freaking joke.

Anyway, what I meant about communism not being dead was about it being practiced ala Stalin in places like North Korea.

228 transient  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:33:27pm

#210 Killian

So stupid conspiracy theories are now acceptable news stories?

What'll they do next, the "fake" moon landing?

229 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:33:41pm

#223 Elcid

Now, in the "good old days" there were tons of us that made inappropriate, or over the top remarks remarks...In fact, I believe it was you and I, that T'd off on reaganite, one evening concerning his ruthless badgering and bullying of anyone and everyone, on any given night. That's why I stopped posting here, for a long damn time.

I know for myself, that I've been up near the line, many times, but I say what is right there, I am not ever trying in any way, to make LGF look bad, I'm just saying what I believe.

The thing is, if I ever do get banned from LGF, I will still contribute money to LGF, because this is clearly, hands down, the best blog on Algores internet.

230 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:35:28pm

221 republic

The first day was the last. He was utterly miserable and out of his league.

I picked him up Tuesday and after a few miles down the road, I confirmed that it was not appropriate for either his age or his size. He was the youngest, shortest and most ignorant there.

My momma' didn't raise no wimp nor did I. I know when to remove The Kid from a situation that is in no way suited to him.

(Anyone wanna' fuck with me about that decision? Huh? Bring it on. I've mixed it up with my sister--SHE WHO IS LESBIAN BUT WHO KNOWS OH-SO-MANY-PERFECT PARENTS.)

Gah. Ack. Qvak.

Fuck.

231 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:36:51pm

221 republic

You know not to take that personally. Right?

&^%*&**(^&*&(*^%)(*&)(*)(*& ;^%&^%

232 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:37:04pm

#227 rightymouse

Anyway, what I meant about communism not being dead was about it being practiced ala Stalin in places like North Korea.

I just said it, because when anyone mentions communism, I don't think about anything else, but Hillary, and the New Democrat Party.

Most people don't even have the slightest clue, as to what the Democrats are willing to do, to get their "shared prosperity", in effect here.

I know damn well that you do.

233 goodbye_natalie  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:38:31pm

#230 MM,

(Anyone wanna' fuck with me about that decision? Huh? Bring it on. I've mixed it up with my sister--SHE WHO IS LESBIAN BUT WHO KNOWS OH-SO-MANY-PERFECT PARENTS.)

LOL. No, I think I would take you as a more reliable source of what is right and what is wrong that your sis.

234 goodbye_natalie  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:38:58pm

Dammitteeee

that/than

235 solomonpanting  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:40:26pm

Neal Boortz on Hillary.

236 goodbye_natalie  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:40:36pm

By the way, to anyone with ears.

I will not support a Republican candidate who does not make it abundantly clear that the U.S. will support Israel to the utmost period.

And I do that (a lot) out of perfectly selfish reasons. But the tenet stands.

237 Durendal  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:40:48pm

if only Israel could elect such a pro-Israeli (aka anti-death-cult) leader, right?

238 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:40:55pm

224 republic

Now, be nice. I have hope.

I am Little Miss Mary Fucking Sunshine.

SPREAD THE WORD.

239 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:41:12pm

#231 Mandy Manners

221 republic

You know not to take that personally. Right?

Mandy, I know from raising three teenage kids, that life throws all kinds of stuff our way as parents.

I would never take anything personal that you would say to me, unless it ended,

"Fuck You republic".

Then I'd just feel really bad.

I'm glad your here, and whatever decisions you make about your child, I trust you, because I like you, and I think we are friends, and I most enjoy seeing you here.

240 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:42:15pm

#227 Righty Mouse

Aye, communism seems to be one of those crawling things that just will not obliterate. I suspect that as long as the snake of envy coils and twists and spews its venom in the human heart, socialism or something like it must continue to slither through the unguarded verdure of each and every polity.

241 rgranger  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:43:25pm

#142
Part of our problem is that all the dipsticks get up in DC and feel that they have to put their name on some new bill. If Thompson didn't write any new legistation, that is a big +1 in my book :) Personally, I think there should be a cap on the number of laws and we should limit congress to 3 months to get their work complete. The less time they have to screw up America the better!

242 goodbye_natalie  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:44:00pm

I am going to surprise the folks on this board who hate my guts one day by finding out who they are, stalking them, and giving them a big, sloppy kiss in public.

243 rightymouse  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:44:00pm

#232 republic

I just said it, because when anyone mentions communism, I don't think about anything else, but Hillary, and the New Democrat Party.

Most people don't even have the slightest clue, as to what the Democrats are willing to do, to get their "shared prosperity", in effect here.

I know damn well that you do.

Yep. I do. And I despise communism with every fiber of my being. The Dems can tie all the fluffy bows they want to around their Marxist ideology - call themselves progressives, realists or what have you. Shrillery and her ilk are nothing but modern Stalin wannabes.

And now I must toddle off to bed. See you later!

244 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:44:33pm

#223 Elcid

Be that as it may, his comment was childish, clumsy and threatening (although it wasn't clear what he was trying to say), and it was, well, retarded... worst of all, there was no damn reason for it, other than to stir up shit. He should know better, and I think he owes ChenZhen (and Charles) an apology.

245 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:45:45pm

#230 Mandy


I confirmed that it was not appropriate for either his age or his size. He was the youngest, shortest and most ignorant there.

Tell that to Spud Webb.

1986 Slam Dunk Champion Anthony "Spud" Webb, a 12 year NBA basketball superstar, has announced that he is bringing his amazing success story of the NBA to the professional speaking circuit. Webb has lived the greatest David and Goliath story as a small man in a big man's game. The 5-foot 7-inch phenom with an amazing 42 inch vertical jump, overcame the greatest of insurmountable odds and electrified crowds all over the world with his dunking ability and competitive spirit. Spud has delivered countless keynote speeches to corporations, youth groups and associations throughout his career and in retirement, and now inspires others to achieve their seemingly unachievable dreams regardless of the obstacles they face...

Signed,
Gravity-bound, white boy from N. Dakota

*ducks, runs*

246 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:45:54pm

#241 rgranger

#142
Part of our problem is that all the dipsticks get up in DC and feel that they have to put their name on some new bill. If Thompson didn't write any new legistation, that is a big +1 in my book :) Personally, I think there should be a cap on the number of laws and we should limit congress to 3 months to get their work complete. The less time they have to screw up America the better!

Ted Kennedy has been harmimg America for over 40 years.

He has never, once, done what is right for America, and the fat bastard has been there for over 40 years.

247 find your violent jihadi on ebay!  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:46:59pm

Just in case anyone's wondering whether the UK is a little depraved or completely off the rails when it comes to Jew hatred, here's a link of comments to an article about the academic boycott of Israel.

248 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:47:07pm

#245 Noam

Signed,
Gravity-bound, white boy from N. Dakota

*ducks, runs*

ROFLMAO!

249 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:47:23pm

#226 ContraJihadi

Let's hear a president of the U.S. of A. on the subject of Islam.

(I apologize if you already have this. I'm just trying to point newbies/lurkers to the fact that ISLAM DECLARED WAR AGAINST US A LONG TIME AGO.)

250 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:49:03pm

#243 rightymouse

And now I must toddle off to bed. See you later!

Rest well my friend, we are safe, for now.

251 Durendal  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:51:09pm

#178 DesertSage

lol if Bush is such a mastermind that he would push this AAA lunacy to distance himself from the GOP...why wouldn't he just win the war in Iraq and why would the GOP congressmen stay on the sinking ship? George "Religion of Peace" Bush is clueless

252 kevinmumaw  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:51:25pm

#176 Top

Well, I got O3 in 2005, so I have a couple years yet, but as near as I can tell I have a pretty good shot at MAJ BZ...not only have I not killed anybody (on our side) or destroyed any of our major equipment, but I've done some pretty good work the last couple years. I got myself a BSM and an MSM within the last 9 months...so I figure if I do well in the upcoming schools I need to attend I should be OK.

That being said, I am in schools for the next 18 months, so no big trips. I've done my time in the IZ. Plus, I am CA, so a big trip for me is no more than 90 days.

253 BabbaZee  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:51:40pm

UPDATE


STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BAKER PLAN:
12/6/06 Baker report: Israel must withdraw from Golan


5/31/07:
Olmert: Israel Willing to Give up Golan for Peace with Syria

By Amihai Zippor

(IHC News, 31 May 2007)

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert acknowledged he is willing to give up the entire Golan Heights, captured from Syria in 1967, for a peace deal.

However, the price Israel will pay will depend on the level of relations Syria is willing to provide.

"The price is clear. There may be a debate on the payment terms, discounts etc. but the main question is what Israel would receive in return. Will it receive peace like [the one it has] with Egypt, peace like Britain and France have, or a deception: Give us the Golan, and all you'll get is an alliance between Syria and Iran and Hamas headquarters in Damascus," the Israeli daily Haaretz quoted Olmert as saying on Thursday, 31 May 2007.

"My duty as Prime Minister is to examine [the negotiations option] even if intelligence evaluations say it's a deception and even when Western and other leaders warn me," he was reported to have said in recent closed meetings on the issue.

Since last summer, Syrian President Bashar Assad has threatened Israel that if it did not restart peace talks on withdrawing from the Golan, Syria would begin an armed campaign to retake it.
[SNIP]

254 JustTanya  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:51:48pm

#230 Mandy

You made the right decision -- on a lot of levels. (and if you can, ignore meddling family members as best you can -- it doesn't help the BP at all! LOL)

255 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:55:00pm

233 goodbye_natalie

Thank you, sir. It's been a long, hard week in some respects. Today's doctor visit...AAAARRRRGGH
HHHHH.

Never fear! He delivered his consistent performance on the T-Ball Field. Little League coaches are hanging around. They won't get a chance until after the next level of play but, they like to look.

256 goodbye_natalie  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:55:02pm

Somebody actually asked if Iran would like to nuke Israel? How many times do we need to hear the chant "Death to Israel" from the religious leaders before we think there's a good chance?

Now if Mexico were chanting daily "Death to Texas" while the centrifuge spun and Vincente Fox had been leading the cheer, do you think for one minute we would sit around and wait to see if they really meant it?

257 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:56:42pm

#251 Durendal

lol if Bush is such a mastermind that he would push this AAA lunacy to distance himself from the GOP...why wouldn't he just win the war in Iraq and why would the GOP congressmen stay on the sinking ship? George "Religion of Peace" Bush is clueless

I'm just really glad that I'm not President Bush.

He has 98% of the msm who hates his guts, and will leak top secret information to our sworn enemies.

His State Dept. is 50% Clinton holdovers, who hate his guts.

What on earth would I do if I were the leader of the free world, and 98% of the msm hated me, 98% of the Democrat party hated me, and both were using billions of dollars to do nothing but try and bring me down.

I think one day, many people are going to look at the current times in America, and think,

"Those were pretty good times".

He's made a ton of mistakes, but he is the one and only earthly reason, that I can rest my head on my pillow in a few minutes, and not worry about things.

I mean, OK, welcome to the POTUS, Hillary Clinton.

Sleep on that once.

258 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:56:44pm

#251 Durendal

Yeah, 'cuz there's a "War-Winning" switch behind the desk in the Oval Office the President can throw at any time.

I've seen it. President Clinton showed it to me.

[insert your jokes here, lizards]

Actually, I've been in the Oval Office. We had to go through it to get to the veranda on the rose garden.

true story...

259 JustTanya  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:57:03pm

#256 goodbye natalie

nope.

260 FloatingRock  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:58:13pm

I’m uncommitted at this point but have always liked Thompson. On the other hand, Duncan Hunter has taken a stand specifically against the amnesty bill; has Thompson done so yet? (I don’t know, just asking.)

I know Thompson’s “words” have indicated that he’s a proponent of border security, but if he doesn’t take a stand against the amnesty bill now, while it might have an influence, his stock is going to drop in my portfolio.

261 goodbye_natalie  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:58:52pm

Mandy,

As a one time a little boy with an overbearing father, let me tell you from personal experience that the absolute worst thing you can do to a little boy is throw him into a group of big boys and shatter his self-confidence, all under the guise of making him a man.

He'll get enough of that playing sports to more than suit your taste before he hits high school.

262 republic  Thu, May 31, 2007 8:58:55pm

Good Night All!

Mandy, you are an Awesome Mother!

263 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:00:49pm

#249 Many Manners

Smiles Yes, thank you, I already have this. As the son of a Jew, I am quite aware of the intentions of the jihadis, and I am aware that these intentions have not just awakened with this morning's sunrise. I was indulging in a bit of curious didacticism--perhaps tardy among lizards--but it's never too late to raise the hue and cry against the barbarians, no?

264 kevinmumaw  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:01:31pm

OT:

Does anybody else like Glenn Beck as much as I do?

265 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:02:24pm

#239 republic

Thank you, sir.

I am a much-lapsed (if Christ were to return at this moment, I doubt I would make the cut) Christian.

I will do whatever I must in order to ensure that The Kid will not be forced to convert or die.

266 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:04:20pm
#242 goodbye_natalie 5/31/2007 8:44:00 pm PDT

I am going to surprise the folks on this board who hate my guts one day by finding out who they are, stalking them, and giving them a big, sloppy kiss in public.

WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

267 Elcid  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:05:05pm

244 Spiny Norman

Not having read what was deleted, if it continues, Charles will bring out the Andrea stick.

That's why I prefer posting at Blair's. It's so civil, even when the most detestable of trolls, arrive. As you know, typically those that come to disrupt are driven mad with fact, after fact, after fact. Well, almost all the time, it's civil...lol.

268 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:06:02pm

I have two words for this:

Fucked.Up.

U.S. trying to open a dialogue with al-Sadr, commander says

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military is seeking talks with Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr directly and through the government of Iraq, according to a top American general.

A Sadr aide confirmed that U.S. officials had approached the anti-American cleric's supporters but said that Sadr would never begin a dialogue with what they describe as "occupation forces."

"He has a grass-roots movement that he's always going to have; we have to recognize that," Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the second-ranking American commander in Iraq, told McClatchy Newspapers in an interview this week. "We're trying to talk to him. We want to talk to him."

In a video conference from Baghdad on Thursday, Odierno also said the U.S. was reaching out to Sunni Muslims as well as Shiite armed factions such as Sadr's Mahdi Army militia.

"We are talking about cease-fires, and maybe signing some things that say they won't conduct operations against the government of Iraq or against coalition forces," he said Thursday...

269 ChenZhen  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:07:20pm

#244 Spiny Norman 5/31/2007 8:44:33 pm PDT

Be that as it may, his comment was childish, clumsy and threatening (although it wasn't clear what he was trying to say), and it was, well, retarded... worst of all, there was no damn reason for it, other than to stir up shit. He should know better, and I think he owes ChenZhen (and Charles) an apology.

Thank you!

I gotta tell ya, I've posted thousands of comments on probably hundreds of blogs, and I've never come across another netizen who has flatly stated that they'd be willing to kill me.

270 Mich-again  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:07:25pm

I don't think the analogy is correct. Canada and Mexico are real Countries. Gaza isn't.

Gaza is more like a prison riot. They never end very pretty either.

271 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:08:18pm

245 Noam Sayin'

YOUR THE BEST!


Thank you for that inspirational story. I deeply appreciate your concern

((((Noam))))

272 BabbaZee  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:08:22pm

Ward I was just reading that

They telegraphed that they would do this.... I have the previous articles

I'll be posting on it tonight or in the AM


FUBAR

273 BabbaZee  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:10:09pm

Sounds like Fisticus Maximus lost it with Chen upthread?

274 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:12:26pm

#264 kevinmumaw (why that nick)

I've started to listen to Glenn Beck a while ago. I like his sense of humor (didn't care for today's radio show - a little melodramatic). Sometimes, 'I don't get there with him' but I like him more than Medved or Prager, to whom I don't listen much anymore. Don't get a chance to listen to Laura Ingraham much but here replays on the weekends - and only if I'm up late at night.

Really like Hugh Hewitt.

*radio show pimp coming*

My favorite weekend show as I'm working in the yard or detailing the Jeep is the Northern Alliance Radio Network. Insightful discussion and very good humor.

Wow. Didn't know they had a Wiki page.

275 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:13:00pm

#257 republic

His State Dept. is 50% Clinton holdovers, who hate his guts.

State is a bastion of Arab-fucking whores.

276 solomonpanting  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:13:46pm

#270 Mich-again

I don't think the analogy is correct. Canada and Mexico are real Countries. Gaza isn't.

True, but the territories are afforded many of the same courtesies as real countries. Unfortunately, they aren't forced to accept the responsibilities.
Regardless, the question remains, what other country would accept incoming missles from a foreign entity?

277 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:14:28pm

#271 Mandy

*blush*

*skuffs toe on floor*

278 BabbaZee  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:15:49pm

#267 Elcid


There is such a thing as too much civil too

The west suffers from a terminal case

/It is good to be wise and profane.

279 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:16:39pm

Zombie: Borrowing some photos to refute a commenter, linking hope you don't mind.

280 Durendal  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:16:41pm

#260 FloatingRock

Thompson was among the first to condemn the bill


#257 republic

all those things you listed are his to change. as President of the USA, he's the most powerful man in the world...but only if he's willing to use the power to talk to America.

281 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:17:24pm

#256 goodbye_natalie

Somebody actually asked if Iran would like to nuke Israel? How many times do we need to hear the chant "Death to Israel" from the religious leaders before we think there's a good chance?

282 BabbaZee  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:19:30pm

Oh BTW

Mandy re: your comment upthread

I seriously doubt that Chen comes to my blog to "learn" ...

he comes to my blog to
"catch me being an islamophobic extremist maniac, red handed!"

283 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:19:54pm

#269 ChenZhen

No problem.

You and I probably don't agree on politics or policy much, but I've never seen you post anything abusive towards anyone on this site. Besides, I thought your question on this thread was a legitimate one.

284 lostlakehiker  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:21:36pm

Chen asked, would Iran really risk first use of nukes on Israel?

Who knows? If Ahmadinejad is calling the shots and no one else has a say, possibly. If a collective leadership is calling the shots, probably not. Only genuine, outright madmen step right up to the brink and throw their whole country over the edge. The odds against any one man being that crazy are only odds. The odds against a collective leadership all being that crazy are longer odds.

285 kevinmumaw  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:22:28pm

#269 ChenZen

Hang in there....you often take a contrarian position which I may not always agree with but I can appreciate, as long as it is honest, and with you I believe it is.

#274 Noam

Yep, it's my name. Don't need the anonymity. I like Glen because he is right of center and yet he still has that sense of being free-spirited and free to say what he feels without a whole lot of religious overtones...not that there is a wholot lot (?) wrong with that.

I am 37 and enjoy jumping out of airplanes, rafting down class IV rapids, and trekking across third world nations with little or no support, aside from a diplomatic passport and a 9mm. That's me. And I'm a big Jew in a Christian country, which presents challenges of its own.

286 Promethea  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:22:36pm

#256 Goodbye_Natalie . . .

Now if Mexico were chanting daily "Death to Texas" while the centrifuge spun and Vincente Fox had been leading the cheer, do you think for one minute we would sit around and wait to see if they really meant it?

It's different, because it's Israel, and you know, no one ever wants to kill Jews, and besides, they control the world and oppress the Poor palistinians.

You know, like "Duh."

/sarc for those who are mentally short-changed, like the Norwegians who are giving money to support the Poor palisteens.

287 BabbaZee  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:24:02pm

Spiny Norman

No... he is just an egregious liar and likes to post crap about people behind their backs on his site and other sites.

A Stealth Snarko.

I don't give him too much leeway, even if he got unfairly abused tonight.

One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Fist ~

I guess you should have followed your own rule.

288 pat  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:24:20pm

TOT (totally off topic)
GOP donations are down 40% since Bush and the traitors opened the borders. I frequently get emails from the Republicans asking me for money. I reply very firmly, but politely, why they can expect no more support from me as long as any of the current GOP vermin remain in office to infect us like TB Tony. It has proved effective. My emails from these big business sellouts has resulted in a significant reduction in trash mail. Respond, just don't delete. Ask for the voting record of all beggars on immigration for the last 5 years. And what is weird, I like Mexicans. But this is too much. This is simply irresponsible.:)

289 Durendal  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:24:44pm

#275 MandyManners

i found it interesting in Michael Oren's Power, Faith, and Fantasy to read about the State Dept's long tradition of anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist bias, which dates back over a century. seems they really don't like Jews over at Princeton!

290 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:25:33pm

#265 Mandy

I don't want to go all Hitchens on you, but I am minded of what Augustine of Hippo said in his Confessions. He had read Plato and Plotinus and had been a Manichean, and renounced the teaching of these all for Christ. But he had not read Aristotle. He wrote (sorry, I do not have the citation; but you can scan any online copy of the _Confessions_): I thank God that I had not read Aristotle before I came to Christ. The implication is, I read, that Aristotle's logic would have hindered the credulity of even such as Augustine.

The relevance of all this? I would caution every good citizens of these United States not to base his or her opposition to jihad on a belief exclusively in the literal truth of the Christian Gospels. I do not ask you to abandon your belief, but I wish to remind you that the preservation of our republic depends more exactly on the active adherence to the principles of our Constitution than it does upon the credence of any religious text.

291 pat  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:28:57pm

Babba, I go to your blog for the art. Hahaha

292 NY Nana  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:30:36pm

#275 MandyManners

State is a bastion of Arab-fucking whores.

That is the best description I have ever seen

293 Promethea  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:32:16pm

#257 republic . . .

He [Bush] has 98% of the msm who hates his guts, and will leak top secret information to our sworn enemies.

This leads me to wonder....isn't there some organization in the U.S....a mirror image of the ACLU....that could be dedicated to nuisance lawsuits, like the ACLU specializes in....that would sue any organization, like the NYT, for example, that leaked top secret information to our sworn enemies?

If I were rich, that's what I would do with my money. I'm tired of phony charities like the Red Cross and the environmental hysterical global warming lunatics. I would give my millions or billions to fund lawsuits against traitors.

294 pat  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:32:20pm

292 NY Nana 5/31/2007 9:30:36 pm PDT

#275 MandyManners

"State is a bastion of Arab-fucking whores.

That is the best description I have ever seen"

Ditto

295 BabbaZee  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:32:24pm

pat lol

296 zombie  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:33:00pm
#279 Thanos

Zombie: Borrowing some photos to refute a commenter, linking hope you don't mind.

That's what the Web is all about. Be my guest.

297 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:33:06pm

As long as we're still roughly on topic even with the side-posts, I'm wondering if anyone can help me track down a little more information on the writings of Justice Brandeis on immigration. I came across this chestnut today, and it has inspired me to write for another thread over at Powerline.

What is Americanization? It manifests itself, in a superficial way, when the immigrant adopts the clothes, the manners and the customs generally prevailing here. Far more important is the manifestation presented when he substitutes for his mother tongue the English language as the common medium of speech. But the adoption of our language, manners and customs is only a small part of the process. To become Americanized the change wrought must be fundamental. However great his outward conformity, the immigrant is not Americanized unless his interests and affections have become deeply rooted here. And we properly demand of the immigrant even more than this - he must be brought into complete harmony with our ideals and aspirations and cooperate with us for their attainment. Only when this has been done will he possess the national consciousness of an American.

The Lizard Army is indeed powerful, as Killian Bundy showed me last Sunday night at 2:00 am when I inquired about a link to the Flying Imams police report - it took him a matter of minutes.

I've tried the library of congress, but no matter how I narrow my search, I get 500 posts from eggheads who have written 1,000 page disertations on the man. I'm just looking for works by Justice Brandeis on this topic. He seemed to have a good mind about it - coming from an immigrant.

Thanks, y'all.

298 Thanos  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:34:17pm

time for some zzzz's goodnite all

299 zombie  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:35:50pm
#290 ContraJihadi

I will be making a new zombietime post sometime in the next week that is exactly on the topic you brought up. 'twill be very interesting to see some of the reactions it might engender!

300 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:37:11pm

On my #290

I apologize for mistakes in spelling and grammar, and I must report that Augustine in Civitas Dei asserted that it would be better if the barbarians captured Rome than Rome remain Roman, just as long as Romans remained Christian. Augustine was not present one thousand years later at the fall of Constantinople to the Turk; he did not see the slaughter. I must retort that if the jihadis were to capture New York or Washington City, any surviving Christian would no longer be allowed to read Latin.

301 DesertSage  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:38:05pm

#258 Noam Sayin'

Thanks Noam (and republic) for going to bat for me.

What Durendal doesn't understand is that wars are dynamic, there's no such thing as a 'win' swich that the president can push.
What Iraq has become is a war of attrition. A war of attrition can only be won by outlasting the enemy.

The majority of the population doesn't want to stick it out and the Republicans in congress have paid a heavy price for their support of the president on this issue.

What Bush has done is set Republican candidates free by aligning himself with Democrats on the amnesty bill.
Republican candidates run against Bush on that issue without distancing themselves from him on the Iraq issue.

It's a good strategy for Republicans to run on. Bush knows that he's on the wrong side on the Amnesty issue (the Democrat side), and he's taking the hit to save the Republican party in '08.

302 NY Nana  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:38:35pm

OT: anyone willing to make a serious bet on the President signing off on this if it actually passes? I thought not.

Congress Set To Vote on Jerusalem:Seeks To Press Bush on Site of Embassy

303 carridine  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:39:24pm

Living in Terror: BREAKING NEWS:
Restive Islamo-fascist thugs in southern Thailand just detonated a large explosive device, near or beneath a pickup full of Thais, and blew bodies all over the hiway near HadYai!

A few injured survivors!

/just now on Thai TV

304 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:40:29pm

#299 Zombie

Thumbs up!

This old man must tell you that he was a freshman at Berkeley when Mario Savio screeched for free speech. I *really* appreciate your photographs, even if I have seen these kind of things before, like 40 plus years ago.

Keep up the good WORK!

305 MandyManners  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:44:14pm

269

306 Noam Sayin'  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:45:25pm

#301 Desert Sage

What Durendal doesn't understand is that wars are dynamic, there's no such thing as a 'win' swich that the president can push.

Billy told me to-

*leave it alone, Noam*

Yeah, that's a good decision.

Lovely evening here in Minnesota, and I'm sleeping on the porch tonight. I can barely keep my eyes open as it is.

G'nite, all.

307 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:45:29pm

#301 Sage

That's an interesting theory, that Bush is tanking his legacy to keep Shillary out of the White House. Hmmm...

308 Carridine  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:47:43pm

Taksin Update, from yesterday:
Lest readers think my reporting was totally spazzed, here is a cogent explanation, just coming together now.

The earliest parts of the Reading of Finding found Taksin innocent of any wrongdoing. I reported that.

Then, missing the next intro, the Findings found THE DEDMOCRAT (Thai) Party (as a party) WHITEWASHED, and NOT GUILTY OF ANY wrongdoing in the last elections (hence able to continue as a Party for at least the next 5 years).

Then, after a dinner break, the reading of Findings against the TRT Party (Taksin's Party) the last reading judge went more than 45 minutes, NOT LOOKING IN THE CAMERA, head down, finding that THE PARTY did wrong and must be dissolved for 5 years!

THEN (wait for it) that JUDGE'S PARTY, this morning, indicated HE will run for Prime Minister!

/WHAT a surprise!

309 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:48:49pm

#303 carridine

That's awful, carridine. Please try to stay safe.

310 Timbre  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:51:40pm

I have to go to sleep. Maybe I'll see Fred Thompson beating the beaver at chess and earning the praise of Honest Abe.

311 Carridine  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:51:51pm

#304 ContraJihadee: I was a sophomore in high school, and contributed an article to the SECOND (and LAST) issue of the FIRST UNDERGROUND HIGHSCHOOL NEWSPAPER in California.

I wasn't too keen on Mario, or the FSM, but the 'authorities' were taking our high-school away from us to make it the 'West Campus' of the older high school...

So I donned my nerd specs, and wrote an impassioned article for freedom of choice!

/mweh!

312 Sharmuta  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:52:33pm

102 Iron Fist

And what the hell would attacking Chen physically accomplish?

Let me tell you something- ALL OF YOU

I have gotten to know Chen the last couple of weeks, and he is a polite, decent man who opposes the islamofascists even if the rest of his politics don't seem to match some of ours. A logical, reasoned response will go much further in enlightening Chen than some post threatening bodily harm or name calling will.

I like you Iron Fist. You're a great poster, but that previous comment was beneath you and I'm glad Charles deleted it.

You all want to help ChenZhen see the light? He's an intelligent person. I suggest you try a reasoned response with him.

313 BabbaZee  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:54:28pm

#310 Timbre
Ahhahhaaaaaaaa
Goodnight

314 Durendal  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:54:31pm

#301 DesertSage

all wars can be won, the question is whether they can be willed. as prez, Bush sets the will of the American people. he just didn't want it bad enough. your loyalty is admirable, but misplaced

315 BabbaZee  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:58:44pm

Sharmuta

You can tell all of them, don't tell me.

My experience with Chen is he is a lair.

And he knows it.

So I politely excuse myself from your lecture.

Thanks.

316 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:58:46pm

#310 Timbre

I dig those Rozarem ads.

317 DesertSage  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:58:47pm

#307 Ward Cleaver

That's an interesting theory, that Bush is tanking his legacy to keep Shillary out of the White House. Hmmm...

It makes sense. If the Iraq war was going well, Republican candidates would be lining themselves up on Bush's coat tail like they did with Reagan in '88.

With Iraq going badly Republican candidates have to distance themselves from Bush. Bush has made it easy for them by aligning himself with the Democrats on illegal immigration.

The Democrats can't use the mantra "We Need Change" when they're on the same page as the administration.

The Republican candidates that are running against the administration and Democrat immigration policy are the ones that are really calling for a change.

318 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:59:10pm

#311 Carridine

West Berkeley High? Actually, I went to HS in Marin County, graduated 1964 from Redwood, thought I was going off the join the Acadamy of the Wise. ... I was about as wise as Chairephon bare footed kicking up dust behind Socrates...which I had ~already~ read *before* I left lucrative Marin!

319 BabbaZee  Thu, May 31, 2007 9:59:37pm

lol at the typo queen

a liar too

320 Sharmuta  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:00:39pm

Ok BabbaZee. I understand.

Still- reason will work better is all I'm saying.

Militant Greetings, BTW!

321 BabbaZee  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:02:24pm

Militant Greetings!

322 RTLM  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:07:42pm

#288 pat
I get the same communications except by phone call. Which is better for as I can then vent loudly. I like Mexicans too. My Mom and my wife are Mexican. I am half Mexican. But I am "Latino" averse. I define lLatino as the militant class of Latin American who associates themselves with LLL groups like La Raza, MEChA, etc... We have huge populations of Asians which have assimilated, started businesses and adopted the American culture as there own. Same with Polish, German, Irish, etc...

There are two classes of immigrants who despise America as it is. Latinos and Muslims. Problem is - those are the two demographics that are making the most babies. So unless we make babies too, we have a choice of what the future of America may look like. At least the Latinos are predominantly Catholic.

Take your pick. I pick the Make More American Babies Option. Its a lot more fun and has a happier ever after.

323 zombie  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:08:51pm
#311 Carridine
the 'authorities' were taking our high-school away from us to make it the 'West Campus' of the older high school...

That must mean you're from Berkeley! I never knew that! Or if I did I forgot it.

324 DesertSage  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:10:36pm

#314 Durendal

your loyalty is admirable, but misplaced

When did I ever say that I was loyal to Bush?

I want to win this war more than anything, I didn't serve this country only to see my beloved Marines lose a conflict to a bunch of asshole jihadis.

I believe that we will win. I'm sorry we didn't win it on your timetable. I don't totally blame it on Bush. Like I said, war is dynamic.

That being said, Bush does realize the predicament he's created. He knows that the only positive outcome that the Republican party can hope for is if he aligns himself with the democrats.

It's a bold move, and I thank him for that.

325 NY Nana  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:10:51pm

#294 pat

They are without a doubt, the most Jew-hating department in the government..as is the Foreign Office in the UK. I have wondered since I learned about the Holocaust, in the late 1940's, and later on, as a teen, when I intellectually understood what had happened, what might have been, if State and FDR gave a damn.

The same goes for the Foreign Office, who also had to know what was going on in Europe...while the odious Amb. to the Court of St. James, Joseph Kennedy, Sr, was kissing *itler's (may his name be obliterated) ass.

326 ChenZhen  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:13:24pm

#315 BabbaZee 5/31/2007 9:58:44 pm PDT


My experience with Chen is he is a lair.

And he knows it.

Are you talking about the time when I jokingly asked if you were Killgore's sockpuppet?

327 Spiny Norman  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:14:02pm

#267 Elcid

That's why I prefer posting at Blair's. It's so civil, even when the most detestable of trolls, arrive. As you know, typically those that come to disrupt are driven mad with fact, after fact, after fact. Well, almost all the time, it's civil...lol.

Yeah, Tim's trolls are rather comical. Miranda is a hoot! Despite numerous whacks from the Andrea Stick, (s)he still manages to find a way in...

;^)

Probably the best troll smack-down I've ever seen was at Protein Wisdom a couple of weeks ago: Jeff had an especially annoying visitor, "Alphie" who's primary MO was the ridiculous non sequitur. After weeks (months?) of trying to argue with him, some of the regulars started responding to him with absolute gibberish: random, unrelated words that read like comic book "secret code". It was hilarious. I guess he finally got frustrated and gave up.

328 DesertSage  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:17:15pm

Chen is just "Che" with an "N"....

329 Ward Cleaver  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:20:22pm

Good night all, see you on the DDT.

330 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:20:50pm

Sage
That's an amazing conclusion. It would not have occured to me.
It's hard to believe, but not impossible.
If you're right, Sage, then Bush is still more admirable than I thought. And a Republican candidate has more chances than those I can visualize right now.
Actually, I would love you to be right.

/Here's a bottle of mezcal for you, you deserve it. Save the worm for Karridine, in Siam they eat those ;)

331 squarepeg  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:21:42pm

#310 Timbre

I have to go to sleep. Maybe I'll see Fred Thompson beating the beaver at chess and earning the praise of Honest Abe.

At first I thought this was a smutty pun about Fred Thompson victorious over Senator Clinton in 2008.

332 Sharmuta  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:23:54pm

328 DesertSage

Chen is my friend, and I'm telling you- reason works. You don't have to like him. Just try reason on him.

/more flies with honey

333 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:30:20pm

Sharm
Would you give me some honey?
I'm Winnie the Mex ;)

334 FloatingRock  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:30:37pm

“Thompson was among the first to condemn the [amnesty] bill” -Durendal (280)

Oh yeah…:). For some reason I’d mistakenly thought that he had made those comments a week or so earlier and that they were more general in nature. You’re right; it was in response to the bill.

335 DesertSage  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:32:09pm

Miguel,

Thank you. It means a lot to me that you're saying it, because you are a Mexican national.

If I'm right, it means that the Republican candidates will be running against the immigration bill (and Bush and the Dems) in its present form. I don't know how you feel about that.

But it does give the Republican candidates a way to run against Bush without totally abandoning Iraq.

336 DesertSage  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:33:51pm

#332 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, you are my friend.
Chen....not so much.

337 ContraJihadi  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:36:23pm

Zombie,

I think I'll cruise into Triple Rock tomorrow (Friday PM). I'd wear my Cox and Forkum sweater, except that I might not live too long..I'll wear a black cap, an old Camelot Massive Multiplayer Online ... dah, dah, dah, hat.

I still have money floating around in a financial institution in B., and I need to do something with some of it, so I'll be over there.

If you wander in and see an improbably fat fellow with a newly trimmed white beard (he must be at least 60 years old), it may be myself. Say something about LGF, and I'll buy you an IPAX. After all, Berkeley is not a *total* loss.

I'd like to hear more about your photography. I used to shoot a Mamiya 645 and Deardorff 5"; but that was *many* moons ago.

Best regards,
ContraJihadi

338 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:41:21pm

Sage
I wish immigration to the USA would stop. I wish it would by sane and effective meassures taken by our government, meaning that no more Mexicans (or at least a substancially smaller amount) have to emigrate to find a future.
We need those people here. Perhaps many of them are not cultured, or refined; they are not the intelectuals or the profesionals, but they are hard working people in a very high %, and those millions of hard workers could help Mexico a lot.
But nobody is guiding their efforts, giving them opportunities, profiting of their great capability of work. The government -even now that my party is in power- has find it too easy to rely on the rich neighborg to come out not so bad by years end. Decade after decade.
I'd love to see most of those people stay here, and be productive here. I would love the government to take this matter seriously and create more employment, fight corruption (this is being done as never before, fortunately), educate the people better, and so on.
Now, I can not speak for non-Mexicans, but Mexicans make the big chunk of both legal and illegal immigration to the USA.

If the Mexican government comes out with a workable and good plan in the sense of what I said above, the US could give a hand with moneys, some of the best spent money you can think of.
How about stop giving the teet-sucking pee-drinking Egyptians TWO BILLION a year and give it to Mexico...PROVIDED there some workable plan to better conditions here that would anchor people in Mexico.
About 10-15% of those who go to the US would want to go anyway. The other 85% would remain in Mexico if they had the minimum decent conditions to make a living.

Long rant, sorry.

339 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:43:49pm

I don't know why you wonder if Congress will defend Israel...they won't even defend America. They are more than happy to stab both nations in the back.

340 Carridine  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:49:18pm

#323 Zombie: good guess, but no ceegar!

It was El Capitan High School, Merced, CA
and they decided to rename it
Merced High School, West Campus.

/please muffle your sobs...

341 DesertSage  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:55:37pm

Miguel

Long rant, sorry.

You don't have to be sorry about that rant...it was beautiful!

Why can't the Mexican government see how valuable it's citizens, it's most valuable resource is?
You should run for office and help clean up the corruption there. Your country needs you!

342 zombie  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:58:09pm
#337 ContraJihadi

Well, if you see a slinky, slender runway model with long auburn hair and green eyes, that's the spectral version of zombie that a million wishful thoughts have created and projected into the real world.

But seriously, as much as I'd like to take you up on your offer, I most likely will listen to the paranoiac voices in my head and stay huddled in my mom's dank basement.

343 Catttt  Thu, May 31, 2007 10:59:20pm

Paged real quick through the thread.

Great stuff, Senator Thompson. Love it. And he can TALK too. Love that. I am hungry for a President who can talk.

One other thing - I like ChenZhen. In fact, I like most all of y'all.

G'night.

344 pat  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:04:24pm

Miguel, good points

345 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:05:51pm

Sage
Thanks for your trust lol
I'm too old to begin a crappy political career, but I'm making people aware of these things the more I can.
Corruption is being fought more than ever before -still a ways to go, of course.
I think it's very important now, that corruption is being attacked, to create the mentality that we need our people here in Mexico. To realize how much we are losing by letting those millions go. It's a brain drain, and an arm drain. A total drain, because also artists, intelectuals, and all sorts of Mexicans go out.
I see people here, poor people, lower middle class, they work their arsches off. Lot's of people here are hard working -inspite of stereotypes- and quite a few manage at least to stay in the middle class and in some cases even rise from poor to middle. That's why we have a one trillion dollar GNP and are the #11 economy in the world. Inspite, I repeate, inspite all the system that seem to be geared to impede production and growth: corruption, beaurocratism as hell, "power factors" like all kinds of mafias, drugs, clothing, medicines, what have you. etc. etc. etc.

Mexico can be the fifth economy in the world if correctly sadled. And immigration is not helping us as we have become a CLIENT NATION. Like those clients rich Romans would have hanging around their villas seeing what free lunch they could get.
It's high time to change things.

346 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:06:41pm

Catttt
I hate you!

;)

347 pat  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:06:59pm

Miguel, another thing. Mexico has done a terrible job with colleges and Universities. It needs HUNDREDS more. It should encourage philanthropy in this direction.

348 RTLM  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:08:22pm

Miguel -
That was the most well articulated perspective I have read on this issue. You had me all the way up until the money plea.

US working Mexicans remit ~$2B per year back to Mexico. I believe its the 2nd highest form of revenue to Oil. What happens to this money?

349 Catttt  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:09:20pm

338 MigueldowninMexico

Well put. I know you're frustrated. Hang in there. I particularly like the part about the money we give Egypt. That's a first class idea, imho.

The USA aid thing bugs me, because we throw so much money at our enemies, who pat us on the back to find a spot to stick the knife, instead of helping our next-door neighbors, with whom we have so much in common, get their ducks in a row.

350 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:10:11pm

Pat
Yes, although the diminishing growth is going to make new schools less necessary. But the quality of education has to improve, although, ahem, it's better than in the States. We still have History in all grades and it has not being changed so far. ;)

Aloha taco Waikiki guacamole.

351 Catttt  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:10:44pm

346 MigueldowninMexico

I hate you too, hon. :)

352 DesertSage  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:10:52pm

I like ChenZhen, I just don't buy his brand of bullshit, that's all...

g'nite Miguel
g'nite everyone...

353 Migueldowninmexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:13:45pm

RTLM
That's 20 billion, not two. Actually only 2% of our GNP, oil is 3%. That means most of our wealth is created here by far.
Those 20 billion (22 last year) are some of the best income Mexico can have, as most of it goes directly to the families of the workers in the States, not passing by the preying hands of the government.
:p

354 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:17:26pm

#349 Catttt
I agree very much with you. Thanks for the engouraging words :)

And for the mutual hate LOL ;)

355 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:18:00pm

Good night Sage, sleep tight :)

356 RTLM  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:21:13pm

Then who/what will a paltry $2 billion benefit? Mexico's and Central America's problems are internal and they trying (and succeeding) to export them to the US who they view as an enemy.

read my #322

My Friend.

357 zombie  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:24:49pm
#340 Carridine

#323 Zombie: good guess, but no ceegar!

It was El Capitan High School, Merced, CA
and they decided to rename it
Merced High School, West Campus.

That's so strange! What an amazing coincidence -- the exact same thing happened in Berkeley, in which one school was converted into the "West Campus" of the main high school. In fact, just as in Merced, they named it "Berkeley High School, West Campus."

Cosmic.

358 Mardukhai  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:26:19pm

Feinstein is a Democrat -- nyaaa, nyaaa!

Not all of us are Kos Kids...

359 astronmr20  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:27:17pm

I miss 1967 Israel.

Whip the Arabs so bad that they beg the UN for help and literally go home crying and seeting, left completely disabled on 3 fronts.

360 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:27:52pm

RTLM
I've read it before. I agree with it, except that some Latin Americans in the USA call themselves Latinos without having anything to do with he left.
The actual Latinos (Latins) are from the Latium, around Rome. (Here we go with the client theme again lol). So the word is not correctly used, but not all that use it are commies.

As for the money, you do whatever you want with your money. I was just giving some ideas.

Gee some people are stingy...

lol

361 pat  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:35:28pm

Miguel
Yes, America is the target of educators that know nothing. They take courses in 'Education' as if that were a subject. This stupidity must end. But our colleges still instruct in disciplines, versus silly sociological nonsense.

362 RTLM  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:35:28pm

Miguel - come to LA and I'll buy you many beers!

363 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:37:11pm

A great article on the media, and torture, and hate of your own country, and the like...
[Link: www.dailymail.com...]

364 kateca  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:37:47pm

#338 Miguel

You are not too old. You are wise.

365 RTLM  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:39:30pm
#358 Mardukhai 5/31/2007 11:26:19 pm PDT

Feinstein is a Democrat -- nyaaa, nyaaa!

Not all of us are Kos Kids...

And what are you exactly?

366 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:41:03pm

Pat
Yes, higher education, specially in the Science fields is still quite well preserved in the USA. Better than Mexico in general, although we have a few remarcable institutions and individuals.

Don't let that go! And recover the rest...

RTLM
Be careful bro, I may take your word! lol

/Could it be rum and coke instead of beer?
(Tall glass, no ice, cold coke, please)

367 Sharmuta  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:43:08pm

#336 DesertSage

Aww, Sage! I didn't know you felt that way. I'm glad we're friends. Let's drink some of Noam's tequila and toast this beautiful new friendship, shall we?

368 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:44:36pm

kateka
Why, thanks, so kind of you :)

Buuuuut, yes, I'm two steps away from becoming a senior citizen. And I'm ok with it. I've always been ok with my age, thank God.
Cheers!

369 kateca  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:47:35pm

Hey Miguel - it beats the alternative!

370 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:48:46pm

A movie exposing the brain washing at American Universities!
Seems to be a GREAT film.
[Link: indoctrinate-u.com...]

371 pegcity  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:49:24pm

MigueldowninMexico

i love your posts, you give such great insight.

You are the offical LGF mole for mexico. I look forward to your posts like i look forward to Fjordmans and Zombies.

372 FloatingRock  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:50:02pm

OT: Turkey has been mustering troops on the Iraq boarder and is threatening a limited invasion. [Link: www.nysun.com...]

My personal feeling is that, although Turkey has some long-standing issues with the Kurds, the timing of this move is probably directly associated with the negotiations going on with Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood. Moving those troops to the border is another movement on the Middle East chessboard, and it sounds like Turkey probably won’t be on our side.

(Sorry if somebody’s already mentioned this, I haven’t been reading here and just wanted to mention it.)

373 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:50:13pm

kateka
For sure! LOL
I've seen people who I know die when they were children. And teen-agers, and so on and on.
I'm still here at 58 that's why I'm so happy of being old! lol ;)

374 Kaintuck  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:50:57pm

Have the all-too-frequent fisticuffs died down yet?

Anyway, OT for the important stuff of the evening:

A Salute to the Swine

[Link: taiwanreview.nat.gov.tw...]

375 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:52:17pm

pegcity
Thanks a lot! I'm not in the same level as Fjordman or zombie, so I appreciate your words very much.

More than a mole I'm a guaca-mole. lol
Just kidding.
:)

376 pegcity  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:55:54pm

MigueldowninMexico

Thats what i experienced every day, you would not believe the fights i got in.

It was insane, i wrote an en exam with 0 studying, i wrote it as a purely 100% commmunist nonsensical bullshit experiment.

Guess what i got 98% on it.

I needed to take a shower afterwards.

377 pegcity  Thu, May 31, 2007 11:57:52pm

As a jew and a conservative at univeristy and as a 25 year old i can tell you this shit is real.

378 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:02:48am

pegcity
I'm very glad you give this testimony. It seems that movie is fantastic in taking the mask off all that cra*.
Link again, just for the sake of it lol
[Link: indoctrinate-u.com...]

It's in Instapundit, so many people are getting aware of this important film.

379 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:08:51am

#359 astronmr20 5/31/2007 11:27:17 pm PDT


I miss 1967 Israel.

Whip the Arabs so bad that they beg the UN for help and literally go home crying and seeting, left completely disabled on 3 fronts.


Yea...Me too


STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BAKER PLAN:

12/6/06 Baker report: Israel must withdraw from Golan


5/31/07:

Olmert: Israel Willing to Give up Golan for Peace with Syria

380 pegcity  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:10:38am

If you were a jew hating communist you would get straight A's in university, there was no place for dissent.

i had a teacher tell me that jews need to suck it up and forget the holocaust because we were monopolizing genocides.

I didnt attend the class after for 3 months, and got 99% on the exam with no studying because i wrote a 19 page puff peace on the "plight on aboroingal canadians".

I felt so dirty but i really wanted a least a B+ for putting up with the guys bullshit.

381 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:14:48am

kitten break

[Link: dailykitten.com...]

382 FloatingRock  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:14:55am

OT: In my post above (372) I stated my “personal feeling” about the Turkey situation. I think “suspicion” would have been more concise.

383 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:15:42am

pegcity
ROFL!
It's funny apparently, but it is tragic in reality. I hope the exposure will help to change things at the American U's.

I think I'm going to enrole at a U in Bezerkeley or something.
I'm good at whiney rants LOL
Blame the white man and get an A. So simple.

384 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:17:52am

Fear Leads To Anger.

Anger Leads To Hate.

Hate Leads To The Democrat PArty

385 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:18:00am

Jewels
Meowwww. So cute as always :)

386 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:24:17am

Good Morning Dead Threaders!

What the State Department is trying to hide

387 elrushbuni  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:37:41am

I expected nothing but the best from Fred. Somehow I think he's our guy. He can definitely deliver a message...this one so many needed to hear. Keep it up, Thompson!

388 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:57:25am
389 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:57:54am

I just saw a video of the police shooting civilians, mostly young people, in Caracas.
Then, you see the Major stating that "the police didn't carry fire weapons by insructions of President Chávez".
But you can clearly see them in that video firing at the people.
Shame on those lying bastards, may they rot in hell for being such enemies of Freedom, decency, Truth and eveything that is good in human nature.
Scum.

390 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:01:55am

Look at this, only one minute. Venezuela is no Cuba yet, and I hope it'll never be.

391 RTLM  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:16:17am

I've visited Caracas (circa 1988) - we greeted President Perez and gave him an air show. Then we ferried ashore, took our places at the hottest, sweatiest bar we could find and drank room temp beer. We then flew to Margarita Island and saw where Canada comes to vacation.

There was some stuff in between that I won't post here.

What a shame.

392 RTLM  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:30:59am

We had a disturbance?

393 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:34:47am

Four points:
1.- I'm having trouble accessing LGF, seems like if it were under some cyber attack.

2.- Chávez called the people from the barrios, the poor areas of Caracas to come down on the students, as U and HS students are leading the protests, but it happens to be that a lot of students come from the barrios, so the people in the slums are NOT heeding Chavez.

3.- A wondereful pic from Caracas [Link: bp2.blogger.com...]

4.- I read a news I didn't like at all, on El Universal from Caracas: Zapatero and Sarkozy join efforts to pass the EU Constitution (albeit "reformed"). Ugh

RTLM
I'm sure Venezuela has some wonderful places. And wonderful women. Some people call the Miss Venezuela pagent "Miss Universe 2", for the amount of beautiful women in it. Venezuela has had several Miss Universe winners.

394 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:42:57am

Floating R

If the Kurds in Iraq are jumpin' froggy across the Turkish border and retreating to Iraq as sanctuary the Turks have every right to go after them.

395 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:50:15am

I just got unlogged...

{Babbaleh!}

Olmert: Israel Willing to Give up Golan for Peace with Syria

Did he really say this yesterday?

Okay, I understand being focused upon one's everyday life. I know what it's like to have to go to work each day and feed a family. But I think it's time the Israeli's step back from their industrious little ants model and DO something about that man.

100,000 people in the streets - every single day - protesting. Shut down that fackokta Olmert government and send them packing. Do it as a "division of labor" thing. (i.e. "My day to protest is Tuesday")

Enough already! We have American politicians telling Israel not to give up any more land for non-peace, and Israeli politicians who don't know their a**es from a hole in the ground.

Grrrrrrrrrr!

396 Ledger1  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:51:42am

#19 Pwest

Fred is hitting all the right notes as far as I'm concerned. I hope he gets into the race.

Yep, he sure is. He is getting my attention.

#17

Duncan Hunter
and
Fred Thompson

Their stock just went way up.

I agree. They are starting to make a forceful argument for helping one of our last true Allies in the Middle East – Israel.

I have always recognized that Israel is a small country surrounded by larger ones who want to destroy it. I would like to see those scale balanced. Fred & Duncan are stating that case.

397 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:54:51am

littleoldlady
Israel is no Venezuela. It's a democratic country. All you need is NOT VOTING IN SUCH PEOPLE, not street protests.
Now, if Israelies vote them in, that means many of them are convinced that people like Olmert are just fine.
Otherwise the would not have voted for him.

Any disagreements, you can sue my Barrister, KB.

398 RTLM  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:55:44am
#394 BenZacharia 6/01/2007 1:42:57 am PDT

Floating R

If the Kurds in Iraq are jumpin' froggy across the Turkish border and retreating to Iraq as sanctuary the Turks have every right to go after them.

To my thinking the Kurds have is all to gain by NOT doing terroristic stunts in Turkey. But the application of logic to all/any actions in that region would require more rhetorical skills on my behalf than I possess.

399 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:59:53am

Miguel,

I think that these days Olmert's approval rating is in the single digits.

[Carl?]

The problem is not the voting; the problem is getting rid of a horrible government once they are in power. They can't even shame the man to leave!

400 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:01:30am

littleoldlady
There must be some legal, even constitutional provisions to take off a government that is not wanted by the population, but
(Carl?)

lol

401 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:03:28am

RTML

To my thinking the Kurds have is all to gain by NOT doing terroristic stunts in Turkey.

Remember the parable of the frog infidel and the scorpion muslim? It's in their nature.

402 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:05:14am

Ben
Turks and Kurds are all muslim.

403 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:05:39am
constitutional

HA. They follow the British model.

Cr*p. I got so worked up I forgot to put fruitcup on the buffet ------------>

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

404 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:06:12am

IDF: No Gaza ground operation due to fear of war with Syria

The main reason the Israel Defense Forces is not currently recommending a major ground operation in the Gaza Strip is fear that war might break out with Syria this summer....

Great, both Olmert and Bush seem intent on making the same mistakes as last summer - not only in placing Israel in even greater jeopardy - during a period when the Syrian's(and Iranian's) are increasing their ground-to-air and surface-to-surface capabilities but at a time when Iranian's are increasing their influence over the region with various agreements amongst, at least nominally, hostile states: Egypt Sends Letter, Voices Readiness to Resume Ties with Iran. If the Egyptoid's are close to cutting a deal, you can almost certainly bet the Fraudi's are closer. Don't forget, it wasn't but a couple weeks back that Ahmadinejad was traveling amongst the Gulf states selling a joint Iranian-Arab common security agreement, one Mottaki proposed with the Fraudi's/Arabs during the recent Arab Summit in Riyadh.

If there's a 'high point' to peace in the Middle-East, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if we not at its apex.

Mornin folks.

405 RTLM  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:08:30am

I had a great dead thread greeting for BenZ and then got booted sky high!

And sadly I have forgotten it .

406 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:09:43am
that Ahmadinejad was traveling amongst the Gulf states selling a joint

Wow, I knew something was screwed up with that feller. So he's into dope pushing now.

I'm not the least surprised actually.

407 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:09:54am

MdiM

I know, the parable was on the nature of islame.

408 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:12:07am

Ben
Ok.
Islame hahahahaha.

409 RTLM  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:15:23am

How old are you BenZ?

410 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:17:00am

RTML

I suffer from CRS also.

411 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:19:06am

LOL Miguel maybe the SOB should try smokin a joint - an ISED(improvised smoking explosive device).

How things goin down your way?

412 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:19:12am

49 yrs and 21/22? days

413 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:19:17am

Human shields in Iraq. A moving pic.
[Link: bp2.blogger.com...]

414 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:21:10am

Homeschooled wins Spelling Bee.

415 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:21:25am

aboo
Yes! He should get one of those indeed! lol

I'm doing fine, thanks, hoy about you?

416 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:23:36am

Ben
If my memory serves me well, many times homeschoolers have won the bee.
And Asians, in a higher percentage than other groups.

417 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:23:51am

Refresh my memory. When was the last time the US was kicking the living sh*t out of an enemy and we said, "Sit down and talk to us about a cease fire, pretty please?"

418 milty  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:26:24am

Charles, this item may interest you: CNN crew assaults Israeli security man.

419 RTLM  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:26:42am
420 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:27:06am

Ben
Panmunjon.
Saigon.

421 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:30:28am

RTLM
That video has a warning exactly as if it were porn. How about it?

422 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:30:45am

MdiM

When we are about to bail then.

423 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:34:57am

Ben
In my view the USA could have won both Corea and VN if not for the State Department, making your country tie or lose.
Other actors too, of course, but the SD was pivotal in that.

424 FloatingRock  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:35:27am

BenZacharia; (394)

I don’t dispute that, however, I wonder if perhaps the timing is related to our negotiations with Iran in the sense that Turkey is forcing us to the table to deal with this issue now. What might their motivation be, (in addition to the Kurd terrorism)? Perhaps they are under the impression that we are dealing with Iran in preparation for our drawdown and Turkey wants to ensure their own slice of the pie.

It could also be a reminder that if we attack Iran, things could get more complicated in a hurry.

It might also be a complete coincidence, and very likely is.

However, with the Republican Party in meltdown, (presided over by Bush, Fox and Kennedy, among others), and the president as unpopular as he is in general, combined with our recent dealing with Iran, (which Bush said he would never do), and our “loyal” Democrat controlled congress… I think that Turkey and Iran may be feeling pretty confident right now. I wouldn’t be shocked if at some date in the future, we find out that these things are related in some way.

425 MigueldowninMexico  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:38:51am

I'm preety tired now. I'm begining not to understand what I read lol.
Good bye now and God bless all :)

426 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:39:46am

417 BenZ

IIRC, Vietnam - thanks to our kommi-bent media with their Dhimmi-Sociopathic politicians.

427 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:40:37am
428 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:40:46am

Nite MdiM

429 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:42:35am

Good morning SN

430 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:44:31am
431 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:44:58am

The Yasser Arafat Brigades will actually take their marching orders from Hezbollah in Lebanon. They will get their weapons from the United States, which shipped them to Fatah last year to help the Palestinian government "maintain order."

Another success story fromt the Bush White House.

432 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:47:04am

s_n

Going good. I got up earlier thatn normal 'cuz the wifffeee tells me last nite she wants to go fishing @ 4:30, then bails when I ask her @ 4:45.

433 RTLM  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:48:46am

nite Miguel -

porn WORKS! Its unmistakable.

434 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:51:13am

RTML

Your spelling suffers when you type with 1 hand.

435 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:53:25am
436 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:58:26am

RTML

How come you wanted to know how old I am?

437 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 3:05:48am

#432 BenZ

Where do you going fishin?

438 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 3:13:07am

Our trade-partners: China urges patience on Sudan, opposes sanctions.

Screw the quote-unquote global economy, we need to scuttle the Chinese NOW.

Make that yesterday.

440 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 3:14:00am

aboo

'Bout 100' from the front door, 3/4 acre stocked pond, large and small mouth bass, lake trout, crappie, blue gill, channel cat and ?.

441 Carridine  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 3:30:35am

#440 Ben Z: Wow!
Things are tough all over! :)

442 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 3:34:00am

Carridine

Check yesterdays dt to see some downsides to a 132 yr old farmstead, 'cisterns'.

443 Luigi  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 3:37:30am

I'm just going to post this heading from a Yahoo news story. I haven't even read the article behind it, but the headline is just more evidence that Homer Simpson is running the world..

Iran promises to discuss nuke activities

Have a nice day.

444 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 3:40:36am

Good morning, Lizards.

445 km  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 3:44:31am

OT

Alan Johnston (kidnapped BBC Islamonazi shill) has appeared on a video released by Army of Islam.

As was predicted he is singing the praises of his captors and calling for retreat from Dar-al-Islam. His prior reporting and political stand makes this whole issue very suspect.

And even if he isnt complicit in his own kidnapping he should pray the price of siding with barbarians.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

446 nonic  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 3:50:41am

Free at WSJ Opinion Journal.......

Too Bad
[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]
President Bush has torn the conservative coalition asunder.

by Peggy Noonan

447 NoSubmission  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 3:55:10am

Good Morning Lizards.
I'll be away all day at the Book Expo America at the Javitz Center today.

Lebanese army masses around refugee camp
5 minutes ago

TRIPOLI, Lebanon - Under the cover of artillery barrages, dozens of Lebanese army tanks and armored carriers moved toward a Palestinian refugee camp in northern Lebanon Friday in pursuit of Islamic militants holed up inside.

and take a look at a VIDEO of what Fatah does to Hamas. Pali on Pali abuse. But it's the evil JOOOOOOOS!

448 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 3:55:18am
449 jim in virginia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 3:56:47am

Morning all.
GOTC, has anyone told you lately what a god job you are doing?
Michael Yon reports on the Coalition arrest of Iraqi police Gen Hamid in Hit.
I've got a personal connection- I worked with LTC Crissman's dad, and met Doug a couple times.

450 Carridine  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:01:08am

#442 Ben Z: I already read and chuckled along, Ben!

My mother's father built the family place in south-western Washington in 1918, using first-cut cedar for the barn... stayed up until the Columbus Day storm of 1962...

Lovely hay and cedar smell, BUT also the joys of shoveling cow canure DAILY!

Still, there ARE some blessings, like that well-stocked lake and an overcast day!

451 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:02:54am

#449 jim in virginia

You are so sweet. As a matter of fact, students are writing very kind remarks in my yearbook. That makes everything worth it.

Although I have to laugh when they misspell something...

453 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:08:33am

Cindy's rude awakening

Basking in the public attention that surrounded her bid to "avenge" her soldier son's death in Iraq and publicly harass the president, Sheehan remained a media darling, even when she made a rapid political detour from grieving mom to loony left America-basher.

Indeed, her allies stood by her even as she danced off to Venezuela and paid homage to tinhorn dictator Hugo Chavez "for his resolve against my government and its meddling."

Nor did they disown her when she stood with a Stalinist - "calypso comrade" Harry Belafonte - and declared President Bush a bigger terrorist than Osama bin Laden.

They didn't bat an eyelash when she denounced the first democratic vote in Iraq as "a sham election" and praised the terrorist insurgents who murdered her son and his military brothers and sisters as "freedom fighters."

In fact, they didn't even mind when Sheehan publicly declared of America, "This country isn't worth dying for."

Last year, a California congresswomen even gave her a ticket to the House gallery so she could disrupt Bush's State of the Union Address.

But all that changed - once Sheehan strayed off the lefty-loony reservation and began targeting Democrats.

454 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:08:43am

Bye, Lizards--this is my last Friday of the school year!

/so much to do...

455 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:11:19am

# 399 Littleoldlady

Olmert's approval ratings these days are between 0-3%

# 400 MigueldowninMexico

What it would take to remove Olmert

Note that this was written before the Winograd Commission interim report was released. The interim report had no effect on Olmert. I doubt the final report will affect him either.

456 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:12:12am

Carridine

true

457 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:14:59am

Noonans been readin' my posts. Which I have taken heat for.

For almost three years, arguably longer, conservative Bush supporters have felt like sufferers of battered wife syndrome. You don't like endless gushing spending, the kind that assumes a high and unstoppable affluence will always exist, and the tax receipts will always flow in? Too bad! You don't like expanding governmental authority and power? Too bad. You think the war* was wrong or is wrong? Too bad.

But on immigration it has changed from "Too bad" to "You're bad."


*Just the ROEs and the new goals.

458 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:19:21am

455 Carl- can we assume that since leopards don't change their spots, Olmert won't resign?
Has there been even one bill (out of three) pass the Knesset asking him to resign?

459 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:22:24am

Carl,

What it would take to remove Olmert

Obviously the system doesn't make it easy, or very likely. Which is why I suggested that Israelis take to the street and demand his resignation - on a daily basis.

Maybe becoming an international embarrassment will motivate Olmert(?) At the very least it may stop others from negotiating with him...

460 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:22:43am

TTFNTM

461 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:31:22am

nonic.

I suspect the White House and its allies have turned to name calling because they're defensive, and they're defensive because they know they have produced a big and indecipherable mess of a bill--one that is literally bigger than the Bible, though as someone noted last week, at least we actually had a few years to read the Bible.


And from that Bible we read: The Centurion spoke to Paul and said: With a great sum of money obtained I this leadership position and citizenship.
But Paul said: I was free born.

Now when they say "Earned their Citizenship",
It wont be because they can quote Lincolns Gettysburg Address.

462 galloping granny  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:32:17am
#414 BenZacharia 6/01/2007 2:21:10 am PDT

Homeschooled wins Spelling Bee.

No surprise here anymore BenZacharia. Homeschoolers often win the Spelling Bee - where they have to follow special rules that apply only to homeschoolers (an effort to try to keep them from winning so often) - as well as the GeoBee and the Lego robotics competitions.

If you want your kid to know how to step in line, in most places in the country public school will do a bang-up job. If spelling, math, history and reasoning are on your agenda, most places homeschooling is the only option.

463 v the k  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:42:46am

Wouldn’t it be cool if Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter were the 2008 ticket? And millions of drugged out lefties voted for them in the mistaken belief they were voting for Hunter S. Thompson?

464 chemicalcorpse  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:45:31am

OT ----
The CDC is up to their necks in bullsh*t right now with the Atlanta ATTORNEY with the father-in-law as TB EXPERT...

The military should have diverted an airframe of medical transport if the was such a danger to the public health; also, when are border agents trained in medical diagnosis (He didn't "look sick" and was allowed to cross the Canada/US border)...

These fools are going to protect us from biowarfare/AQ?

I'm buying more ammo and weapons...

465 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:45:37am

GG

We HSed our 2 bats fer 2 years.

466 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:52:26am

chemicalcorps

Don't ferget to stop at the nearest Tractor Supply Corp store for some anti-biotics w/o a script.

467 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:55:05am

Mrs. Clinton can't help but think about tommorrow.

468 ZionistYoungster  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:56:44am

OT and plug: Zionist Tentacles Productions, Inc., vents its Outraged Spleen in its most recent work:

Beyond Chutzpah

469 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:01:05am

/needs more coffee

Just read that as "Zoinist Testicles"

/really needs much more coffee!

;-)

470 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:03:36am

LITTLE...!

471 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:06:01am

I know.

/ain't misbehavin'
//much.

472 ZionistYoungster  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:06:41am

#469 littleoldlady

Just read that as "Zoinist Testicles"

You read it that way? What a coincidence. I nearly wrote it that way!

:-O

473 BenZacharia  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:07:10am

ZY now gets all flustered and blushes over a mature woman.

474 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:12:31am

Good Morning Y'all from a partly cloudy and warm (64 degrees, going up to 88 degrees) Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

475 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:13:47am

{realwest!} :-)

476 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:14:05am

OT----
I read that the Guantanamo prisoner who offed himself was a Saudi veteran, Al Q fighter from Tora Bora, captured in 2002. I guess we gave him 5 more years than if he'd been sent back to Saudi. I hope he gets his 72 Virginians in the afterlife. I'd suggest equal amounts of Chief Powhatan's braves, Nat Turner's rebels, Stonewall's Foot Cavalry, and maybe a dozen or so Bedford Boys from Omaha Beach. Enjoy eternity, MF'er.

477 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:23:16am

#475 {littleoldlady} - Hey There! Gee, it's good to see y'all out here! Um, am I up waaay earlier than I wanted to be or are you up waaay later than you usually are?! LOL!

478 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:25:41am

realwest,

I have NO IDEA what time it is!

/am I here?...

479 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:26:56am

464 chemical corpse Ah, why worry? TB take years to kill you. (unless you are a kid and die of the meningitis it can cause in kids)Methinks somebody doesn't like the new SIL too much.

Of course the whole "gonna infect the daughter" thing should have occurred to the researcher.

I'd guess dinner party invites to that scientist's house will go mysteriously unanswered for a while. LOL

480 3 wood  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:27:28am

Good Morning Lizards.

Here is an example of how the media tries to manufacture news. Later this morning the US Labor Dept. will release its report on the preliminary May employment numbers. Most thinking people wait till the report is out to see what it says. But the MSM tries to make a story out of thin air by polling certain "economists" on what they think it says, as in this article:

Job growth seen perking ahead in May


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The economy steadily added jobs in May and will likely continue on this moderate job growth path as the economy squeezes through a soft patch.

Economists polled by Reuters expect to see that 130,000 jobs outside of the farming sector were added in May when the government releases its latest data on the employment picture this Friday.

If you read carefully there, you see where Reuters is setting themselves up for another article tomorrow. Who are these "Economists" they poll and who is to say they know beans about anythiong they predict? But if the actual number comes in a little lower, you will get a follow-up on how the number is dissapointg and below projections? Reuters will not be honest enough to admit they made the prediction up to begin with.

Now I will wait for our resident MSM apologist to chime in and tell lecture up condescendingly about how the MSM is misunderstood.....

#436 Jammie

The White Sox officially waived the white flag during last night's game. Their announcers, who are notorious shills and apple polishers for team management, spent the whole night talking up the talent in their minor league system. I expect to see some established and expensive White Sox players traded away shortly. Do the Yanks want Beurhle? Garland? I bet you can get them now, if you eat the whole contract.

By the way Jammie, I emailed you yesterday. Did you get it?

481 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:27:43am

This is funny:

If you've ever taken a big slug of warm Coors Light, you will welcome the brewer's latest packaging innovation: a "Cold Activated Bottle." That's good news for all those beer drinkers who've lost the ability to detect cold temperatures with their hands. When the mountains on the label turn from white to blue, you're good to go. But keep in mind, the more you open the fridge to check, the longer it will take.

482 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:33:13am

476 pullus Can I have his orange chicken?

484 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:37:57am

#478 [littleoldlady] LOL1 Yes, you are here, hovering standing right next to the fruitcup! And it's currently 8:38 AM!

485 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:39:31am

PIMF, that's LOL!
Sigh.

486 Mike DeGuzman  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:39:59am

If the world doesn’t act to stop Iran’s nuclear ambitions, it must be prepared for the consequences of Israel defending itself.

Front page news headline:
Iran wiped off the map by Israeli nuclear air strike!

487 Mike C.  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:42:12am

# 480 3 wood

Ah, there you are. Upcoming summer mountain dulcimer event here at SO. Know any of these folks ?

Bill Taylor
Coleen and Neal Walters
Madeline MacNeil and Ralph Le Smith
Anne Lough
Bill Collins

Concerts, workshops, classes - the whole 9 yards. 'Course, yours truly will be stuck elsewhere, dagnabit.

488 Mike C.  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:44:12am

Well, crap. Make that "SU", not "SO." And "Ralph Lee Smith", not "Ralph Le Smith."

489 WeaselZipper  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:44:29am

This is disturbing

Hamas Kids Magazine al-Fateh...

Death cult watch....

490 littleoldlady  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:46:34am

Just got unlogged again...

/somebody is trying to tell me sumptin'
//must be time to move it

If I had Zionist Testicles, I'd take them for a walk.

Good day, ALL!™

491 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:46:41am

#488 Mike C. - Morning Mike - glad to see I'm not the only one out here who needs more coffee!
Hope you're doing well this morning!

492 blue_like_jazz  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:47:34am

hey... any Mac users out there?

i need to clear my cookies and my cache but i don't know how! i can clear the history, but i don't think/know if that does what i need.

the emac is running on OSX 10.3.9... VERY slowly, i might add.

ANYONE?!? big thanks in advance!

493 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:49:49am

Hey! I posted a link to that yesterday!

BIG JOHNSON IS RIPPING US OFF!

494 blue_like_jazz  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:51:02am

aw, nevermind... found the "empty cache" doololly when i clicked on the safari button at the top.

let's see if that helps.

495 storagemanager  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:52:15am

I poke head out of basement...yep..house is still here.....I hate rain and wind.

496 3 wood  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:54:19am

#487 Mike C.

Yep, studied under/jammed with most of them. Sorry you can't make it to the workshops. If you ever get the chance to do so, you would really like it. They usually have auxilliary things for non-playing spouses too, so some couples make a vacation out of it.

497 storagemanager  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:54:19am
Major cleric says security in Iraq possible when US pulls out forces
Tehran, June 1, IRNA
Substitute leader of Tehran's Friday prayers Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati said here the US is a partner of all the corruption, insecurity and explosions in Iraq and if it really wants to provide security in Iraq, it should pull out its forces

O.K. if you say so. [Link: www.irna.com...]

498 ec marm  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:54:39am

Well, darn it all! Just when I had all of my frequent flyer miles saved up for a trip to the Islamic Republic of Iran, and was totally prepared to pull a Nancy Pelosi and negotiate with DinnerJacket and bring back 'Peace in our time," the State Department says... Stay out of Iran

/I even baked DinnerJacket a cake, yellow of course.

499 Mike C.  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:56:19am

# 491 real

Doing okay. Enjoying the break and eating real food. Tempis fugit, though.

500 storagemanager  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:57:40am
IRAN: 'WE ARE STILL ANTI-AMERICAN' SAYS TOP AYATOLLAH



Tehran, 1 June (AKI) - Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, a close aide of Iran's supreme leader Seyyed Ali Khamenei, and the head of the powerful Guardians' Council watchdog, said Friday. Tehran remains "anti-American and a foe of the United States" despite the first high level talks between the two countries in three decades which took place earlier this month in Baghdad. Jannati, who was addressing faithful during prayers at Tehran's university, stressed that the "talks in Baghdad do not change in the least the anti-American policies of the Islamic Republic."


"If the Americans want to guarantee a certain level of security to their citizens they must pull out of Iraq and abandon the region," he added

Condi Rice calls for more talks. [Link: www.adnki.com...]

501 hayseed  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:57:47am

3 wood....you would probably like our Appalachian festival it's a hoot.

Appalachian festival

502 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:58:16am

#496 3 wood - Good Morning my friend! How are you doing this fine morning?

503 ChicagoBlue  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:58:35am

Good Morning and Happy 1st of June All!

{Peacekeeper}!

Work is working me, but I keep you all with me. I hope you don't mind all the minimizing and maximizing! LOL

{BabbaZee}

504 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:59:39am

#499 Mike C. - Glad to hear it! How long is your break this time?

505 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 5:59:54am

babbazee, you still around?

506 storagemanager  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:00:04am
INDIA: SHOOT ON SIGHT ORDERS IN RAJASTHAN

[Link: www.adnki.com...]

507 zygazint  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:01:04am

Did anyone else comment on or see Thompson in Albert Brooks movie - Looking For Comedy in the Muslim World?

It's a gem. Funny as hell with some classic one liners that only Brooks could deliver.

'Why doesn't India have Halloween'

'Because they took away the Ghandi.'

508 storagemanager  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:01:47am
Bahrainis stopped over 'dress code'

MANAMA: Members of a Bahraini tourism delegation, returning from Macau recently, were denied access to the departure lounge at Bangkok international airport because they were not properly dressed, says a report in our sister paper Akhbar Al Khaleej.

The airport staff in charge of processing passports and luggage formalities also told them they would not be allowed to travel first class as they were not wearing neckties and some of them were in jeans.

The delegation members, returning from the Skal international tourism conference, complained to authorities but eventually opened their suitcases to find neckties, and trousers to replace the jeans



[Link: www.gulf-daily-news.com...]

509 Mike C.  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:03:24am

# 496 3 wood

It's a week of events running from July 29. I could see myself being here for a day or so, but no way for the whole week. Bummer. The university printed up some pretty slick announcements, and the wife brought one home yesterday (she's a librarian at the university.)

I strongly suspect I should re-string my dulcimer.

510 storagemanager  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:04:39am
Israel's Defense Forces (IDF) fear a war could break out this summer with Syria, Israel's Haaretz newspaper reports.


The IDF has decided not to conduct military operations in the Gaza Strip to clean out terrorist nests, believing "that war might break out with Syria this summer," military sources told Haaretz

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

511 Mike C.  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:07:11am

# 504 real

I gotta fly out Wednesday.

512 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:07:23am

Tropical Disturbance 92L Update

Disturbance near Yucatan still disorganized.


Data buoy East of the low center suggests not much strengthening overnight.


6Z GFDL says tropical depression or minimal tropical storm on Florida West Coast.

GFDL does say whgile most of Georgia misses out, fire areas get about 1 inch of needed rainfall, with much more in most of Florida.

Environment Canada Global a touch stronger, but similar, to GFDL, and has added attraction of sub 990 mb extra-tropical storm attack New England as this storm gets captured by the polar trough

The 6Z GFS is a touch slower, a tad further South and East, but otherwise is very similar to the Canadian.

HURRICANE SEASON 2007!

It starts today:

ABNT20 KNHC 010909
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
530 AM EDT FRI JUN 1 2007

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

WIDESPREAD CLOUDINESS AND DISORGANIZED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS EXTEND FROM CENTRAL AMERICA NORTHEASTWARD OVER THE WESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA...WESTERN CUBA...AND PORTIONS OF FLORIDA. THIS ACTIVITY IS ASSOCIATED WITH A BROAD AREA OF LOW PRESSURE NEAR THE EASTERN YUCATAN PENINSULA. WHILE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE GRADUALLY BECOMING LESS FAVORABLE...THIS SYSTEM HAS SOME POTENTIAL FOR TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL DEVELOPMENT OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO AS IT MOVES NORTHWARD INTO THE SOUTHERN GULF OF MEXICO. REGARDLESS OF DEVELOPMENT...LOCALLY HEAVY RAINS ARE EXPECTED ACROSS WESTERN CUBA AND PORTIONS OF THE FLORIDA PENINSULA DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE FOR MORE DETAILS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

TODAY MARKS THE FIRST DAY OF THE ATLANTIC HURRICANE SEASON...WHICH WILL RUN UNTIL NOVEMBER 30TH. THE LONG-TERM AVERAGES FOR THE NUMBER OF NAMED STORMS...HURRICANES...AND MAJOR HURRICANES ARE 11... 6... AND 2... RESPECTIVELY. THE NOAA SEASONAL HURRICANE FORECAST IS PROJECTING 13 TO 17 NAMED STORMS...7 TO 10 HURRICANES...AND 3 TO 5
MAJOR HURRICANES DURING 2007.

The nexts torm name sin line (since Andrea has already been used) are Barry, Chantal, Dean and Erin, which should last us at least until mid-August, since in the long term average, about 1 storm is named in an avergae combined two month period of June and July. Since the warm phase of the Atlantic MDO has started, we could get to Erin by mid-August, but mid-August to mid-October is the meat and the potato of the season, with June and July as appetizer, and late October and November as the after dinner coffee.

513 christheprofessor  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:07:33am

I got y'alls appalachian festival right here!

515 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:09:16am

#511 Mike C. - That soon?! Well shoot! If I don't get a chance again before you leave, just want you to know that, as usual, I hope you have a safe and speedy flight!

516 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:09:56am

Greets and saluts from the warm and muggy NYC metro area. Fighting has resumed in Lebanon between the Fatah al Islam terrorists and the Lebanese military.

I think this poses an opportunity to solve two problems at once, and have expanded on the idea some with my latest posting on the situation there. Basically, I call for the disbandment of the UNRWA and the countries that host such camps disband them and incorporate those residing there into the country's societies - including full citizenship rights. Lebanon could be a test case for such a move. Use the money that was previously going to UNRWA and give it to the countries as direct aid, and to further encourage the camp residents to become citizens, addition direct aid to the residents - say $5,000 per family.

517 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:10:04am

Video of Kidnapped UK Reporter, Alan Johnston, Surfaces

From his speech it seems his captors are Al Qaeda. I've never seen a Hamas captive give a speech about Afghanistan and Iraq before. They edited out a message to his family and for some reason near te end of the tape it sounds like the voice of Martyr Mikey interrupts.

518 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:10:04am

500 storagemanager Wow, what a surprise.

519 lawhawk  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:11:51am

#514 carl in jerusalem:

Indeed, he does get it. The Palestinian terrorists know that such actions reinforce their own position that some level of violence will remain acceptable. They need to be disabused of that belief.

520 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:11:58am
Did anyone else comment on or see Thompson in Albert Brooks movie - Looking For Comedy in the Muslim World?

It's a gem. Funny as hell with some classic one liners that only Brooks could deliver.

And not surprisingly the film wasn't made in the "Muslim World" but in India.

521 3 wood  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:12:25am

#501 hayseed

I'd enjoy the music part of it especially. If you want to see a great guitarist, see the duo called "Wild Carrot", it's a husband and wife team. I know them both, and studied guitar at a festival for a week from the husband, named Spencer Funk. They are both wonderful people and very talented.

#502 realwest

I'm doing pretty well, overall. Up to my butt in alligators onthe business thing I told you about. Their numbers keep changing, so pinning them down is like trying to nail jello to the wall.

How are you doing health wise? Any relief to the pain?

522 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:12:59am

#510 storagemanager - Good morning to y'all!
Hope you're doing well today!
I don't really understand that article you linked to. I mean, Lord knows I'm not a military genius, but it would seem to me that Israel ought to be striking at Syria NOW, rather than wait and let Syria choose the time and place to start another war.
Unless, of course, Israel believes, as do I, that Syria is gonna have it's hands full militarily by the end of this month!

523 hayseed  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:13:39am

# 513 ctp...while working the gardens yesterday I was listening to Doc watson and Bill Monroe playing together live cd. it's a great cd. you are luvky to have that festival close.

524 DarthBrooks  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:16:38am

Do we really have to wait until 2009 for this man to be our President?

Dang.

525 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:17:16am

#521 3 wood - I have enormous confidence that if anyone can nail that particular blob of jello to the wall, you can!
I assume "we" haven't played golf recently, eh?
Pain wise, I'm still not so good. If I take the new med's I'm supposed to, I get all goofy and sleepy and can't get a damn thing done (ok, ok, goofier!) but if I don't take 'em the pain is really bad. And of course the effin' Orthopedist's P.A. hasn't returned my call from Tuesday.
Methinks, goofy or not, I'm gonna have to call him and fry his ears off (IF I can get the s.o.b. on the phone!)!

526 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:18:12am

The Yankee's idea of southern music

527 storagemanager  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:18:13am
#522 realwest 6/01/2007 6:12:59 am PDT

#510 storagemanager - Good morning to y'all!
Hope you're doing well today!
I don't really understand that article you linked to. I mean, Lord knows I'm not a military genius, but it would seem to me that Israel ought to be striking at Syria NOW, rather than wait and let Syria choose the time and place to start another war.
Unless, of course, Israel believes, as do I, that Syria is gonna have it's hands full militarily by the end of this month!

Doing o.k...pulling fish out of the yard before I can mow the apartments as they are next to the river..lol....yes maybe Iran and Syria are gona be real busy soon.

528 hayseed  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:19:02am

well gotta go to the high school and sign paper work so my son can go to strongsville ohio and play some soccer in july. ya'll be good

529 3 wood  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:20:40am

#509 Mike C.

Just do yourself a favor one time and go to one of these things for a week. Immerse yourself into it, the classes, the impromptu jamming, the concerts by instructors at night, jamming late into the night. You will not believe how much you learn.

Yeah restring the dulcimer, but you need to know if you will play in myxolidian (tuned to DAD ot some other form of the key of D)or ionian mode (tuned DAA or some other form of the key of A). You can put on myxolidian and play in ionian mode, but if you put on ionian and try to tune to DAD, you will snap the strings.

530 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:21:37am

3 wood
The secret to nailing jello to the wall is to put it in a baggie first.

531 storagemanager  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:21:44am
Crazy Arabs drift $500,000 Porsche Carrera GT on busy street

[Link: www.vidmax.com...]

532 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:21:53am

Cmon Olmert. This is really, really bad timing.

STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BAKER PLAN:
12/6/06 Baker report: Israel must withdraw from Golan


5/31/07:
Olmert: Israel Willing to Give up Golan for Peace with Syria
By Amihai Zippor

(IHC News, 31 May 2007)

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert acknowledged he is willing to give up the entire Golan Heights, captured from Syria in 1967, for a peace deal.

However, the price Israel will pay will depend on the level of relations Syria is willing to provide.

"The price is clear. There may be a debate on the payment terms, discounts etc. but the main question is what Israel would receive in return. Will it receive peace like [the one it has] with Egypt, peace like Britain and France have, or a deception: Give us the Golan, and all you'll get is an alliance between Syria and Iran and Hamas headquarters in Damascus," the Israeli daily Haaretz quoted Olmert as saying on Thursday, 31 May 2007.

"My duty as Prime Minister is to examine [the negotiations option] even if intelligence evaluations say it's a deception and even when Western and other leaders warn me," he was reported to have said in recent closed meetings on the issue.

Since last summer, Syrian President Bashar Assad has threatened Israel that if it did not restart peace talks on withdrawing from the Golan, Syria would begin an armed campaign to retake it.

533 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:22:05am
If you've ever taken a big slug of warm Coors Light

The horror. The horror.

534 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:22:10am

{Chica}

535 christheprofessor  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:24:27am

#523 hayseed

I've never been to one, actually (though I did date a woman from Wilkesboro for six months)... It's not as close as you might think, as it's about 5 hours from where I live on the coast...

536 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:25:24am
537 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:26:37am

Good morning, all.

Here is what passes for sex-ed in uber-lib "progressive" Boulder, CO.

"I am going to encourage you to have sex and encourage you to use drugs appropriately," said clinical psychologist Joel Becker at the conference.

The topic of the conference was titled "STDs: Sex, Teens and Drugs." There was no talk of abstinence in the 90-minute presentation, with panelists assuming students were already using drugs and having sex.

"Now, what is healthy sexual behavior? Well, I don't care if it's with men and men, women and women, men and women -- whatever combination you would like to put together,"



Link

538 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:26:55am

Who is this "chica" PK is hugging? Yo no veo ninguna chica.

539 3 wood  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:28:02am

Mike C.

If you ever get the chance, go to a festival where Don Pedi is teaching/playing.

I've studied under him many a time. Great guy, very nice man, and you will not believe his palying style and music. He has lived in the Ashville area for amny years, and probably knows 200 to 300 mountain fiddle tunes that have never been written down, but rather were handed down from generation to generation. Great stuff

540 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:29:00am

Chica= Chicago Blue. Capiche?

541 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:32:31am

# 458 Jim in Virginia

Yes.

No.

# 459 Littleoldlady

Olmert has no shame. The only way he will resign is if he is forced to resign by one or more of the criminal investigations pending against him. And even then we could get stuck with Feigele.

542 storagemanager  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:32:36am

Breaking News >> Dan Bartlett, Key Adviser to President Bush for 14 Years, to Leave White House
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

543 luzbone  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:33:53am

GOOD MORNING LGF!


p.s. I like Fred Thompson.
544 storagemanager  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:35:33am
Web site offers too much detail on new U.S. Embassy

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

545 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:35:38am

Funky
Here I is

546 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:35:50am

Good morning Luz. I have to caution you about trying to out Ed, ED. This could quickly turn into a psychedelic catastrophe.

547 zygazint  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:35:50am

#520

Well, Alberts is a Jew - though only 'part time' lol! I love him and I bought the movie.

548 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:36:06am

Luz you trying to kill me? LOL

549 luzbone  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:36:17am

#537 FrogMarch

"Now, what is healthy sexual behavior? Well, I don't care if it's with men and Ron Paul, women and Ron Paul, -- whatever combination you would like to put together,"

550 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:36:40am

La chica Babba! Hola!

551 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:36:43am

OR, you may want to go back on vacation, but the good news is that Duncan Hunter isn't afraid of science.

Religion and politics hand-in-hand in 2008 race
POSTED: 7:14 a.m. EDT, June 1, 2007

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Lately it seems all the leading presidential candidates are discussing their religious and moral beliefs -- even when they'd rather not.

Indeed, seven years after George W. Bush won the presidency in part with a direct appeal to conservative religious voters -- even saying during a debate that Jesus Christ was his favorite philosopher -- the personal faith of candidates has become a very public part of the presidential campaign.

Democratic Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have hired strategists to focus on reaching religious voters. Obama's campaign holds a weekly conference call with key supporters in early primary and caucus states whose role is to spread the candidate's message to religious leaders and opinionmakers and report their concerns to the campaign.

Democrats in general are targeting moderate Roman Catholics, mainline Protestants and even evangelicals, hoping to enlist enough voters for whom religious and moral issues are a priority to put together a winning coalition.

Next week, Clinton, Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards are scheduled to address liberal evangelicals at a forum on "faith, values and poverty."

Some top-tier Republican candidates, the natural heirs to conservative religious support, are finding the issue awkward to handle.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has been questioned so much about his Mormon faith -- 46 percent of those polled by Gallup in March had a negative opinion of the religion -- that he has taken to emphasizing that he is running for a secular office.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a Catholic who says he gave serious consideration as a young man to becoming a priest, is fending off critics who say he should be denied the sacrament of communion because he supports abortion rights.

Religion has become such a common element of presidential politics that during the first televised debate among the 2008 Republican candidates, a reporter asked if any did not believe in evolution -- three Republicans raised their hands: Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo.

552 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:37:43am

Bush made similar statements.

Yet the embassy stays in TA.

Otherwise:

Column One: As Europe self-destructs

Sweden is upheld by leaders of the Israeli left like former foreign minister Shlomo Ben-Ami (who now devotes himself to attacking the US and Israel from his academic perch in Toledo, Spain), Education Minister Yuli Tamir, Defense Minister Amir Peretz, Meretz chief Yossi Beilin and former Labor chairman Avrum Burg. They extol Sweden as a social democratic wonderland which Israel must emulate.

Some 12.5 percent of Swedes are immigrants and around half of Sweden's immigrants are Muslims. Muslims will soon comprise the majority in many of Sweden's cities.

The intrepid Scandinavian blogger 'Fjordman' recently penned an essay, "Jihad and the collapse of the Swedish model" in the on-line Brussels Journal. In it he relates the significance of Sweden's Integration Act of 1997 to Sweden's national self-destruction. The act officially proclaimed Sweden "a multicultural society."

snip

As 'Fjordman' explains, the act was nothing less than national suicide. "Native Swedes have… been reduced to just another ethnic group in Sweden, with no more claim to the country than the Kurds or the Somalis who arrived there last Thursday. The political authorities of the country have erased their own people's history and culture."

Fjordman cites authors Jonathan Friedman, Ingrid Bjorkman, Jan Elfverson and Ake Wedin who explained in their 2005 book Exit the People's Home of Sweden - The Downfall of a Model of Society, that multiculturalism, as the "dominant ideology in Sweden, which has been made dominant by powerful methods of silencing and repression, is a totalitarian ideology, where the elites oppose the national aspect of the nation state."

Rock and Roll.

553 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:38:35am

#395 littleoldlady

He actually first said he was contemplating it a couple of days ago, and then said it outright yesterday.

I couldn't sleep behind that news...which was why i was still posting past 3 AM last night...


Just woke up
and I have monster posts to work on

blogging is HELL, LOL

/in a way I am sorry I ever started....

554 luzbone  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:38:44am

#548 BabbaZee

Luz you trying to kill me?

Only if it is a consensual mercy killing.

555 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:39:26am

#552 Ben Hur 6/01/2007 6:37:43 am PDT

Bush made similar statements.

Yet the embassy stays in TA.


correct

Bush actually PROMISED to move it

556 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:39:56am

Dr. Luzvorkian

557 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:40:08am

549 The scary thing is, I get it.

558 MTNester  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:40:10am

Good Morning, all!

559 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:40:17am

Luzbone: James Dobson doesn't like Fred! too much:

Dr. James Dobson: Fred Thompson 'Not a Christian'

Focus on the Family founder James Dobson has dealt a potentially devastating blow to Fred Thompson’s presidential aspirations, saying the former senator is not a Christian.

"Everyone knows he’s conservative and has come out strongly for the things that the pro-family movement stands for,” Dobson – considered the most politically powerful evangelical figure in the U.S. – said in a phone call to Dan Gilgoff, senior editor at U.S. News & World Report.

"[But] I don’t think he’s a Christian. At least that’s my impression.”

Thompson’s spokesman Mark Corallo took issue with the statement.

"Thompson is indeed a Christian,” he said. "He was baptized into the Church of Christ.”

Focus on Family spokesman Gary Schneeberger sought to clarify Dobson’s statement, telling Gilgoff that while Dobson didn’t believe Thompson belonged to a non-Christian faith, he "has never known Thompson to be a committed Christian – someone who openly talks about his faith.

"We use that word – Christian – to refer to people who are evangelical Christians. Dobson wasn’t expressing a personal opinion about his reaction to a Thompson candidacy.”

560 luzbone  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:40:17am

{BZ}

561 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:40:38am

{Peacekeeper}

Ola

562 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:41:23am

#521 3- Wood - Sonofagun! Right after I posted my #525. The ortho P.A. called me! He said he'd reviewed and the Ortho doctor had reviewed my full body bone scan and said there's nothing wrong with me orthopedically (sp?) and no new tumors or anything like that.
Ordinarily I'd be jumping for joy over that news, but I told him about the pain of the shingles lingering (there's a medical term for it, something like postherapic neuralga (sp?) whereby the pain - which for me was in my right hip, groin and right thigh - stays with you from anywhere from 3 months to a year. SHIT!
He said there's nothing they (the Orthopedists) can do for me; there's no stress fracture, torn or whatever ligament damage, nothing and then wished me good luck cause he had to attend to other patients!
SHIT!

563 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:41:26am

PK
is my blog loading too slow again?

564 the anti-jihadist  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:41:44am

I wonder what the senator, the former star of "Diehard 2" and "The Hunt for Red October" has to say about Jorge Bush's latest legislative disaster-in-the-making, the "Comprehensive National Suicide and Amnesty Bill".

Here's 26 reasons to kill this bill now:

[Link: pedestrianinfidel.blogspot.com...]

565 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:43:08am

#542 storagemanager


I'll bet that the replacement pick can be connected to Baker and the ISG

tick tock tick tock

We shall see

566 3 wood  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:43:25am

#525 realwest

You and I have not played golf since you carded a 37 at this place on the back 9 the other day.

But I have hopes we will get out Saturday and Sunday. I'll let you know how you do.

567 Peacekeeper  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:44:23am

Babba
No, I am wearing out my mouse with all that scrolling down. Just when I get up to speed, the comments link flashes by and is lost. I slam on the brakes and back up.
Still, nobody beats those graphics. I would read just for the images.You are an artiste.

568 Ben Hur  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:44:35am

It's amazing who we lionize..

Exclusive: TB Patient Asks Forgiveness but Defends Travel

Rockstar.

569 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:45:06am

Yo REAL

570 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:45:21am

#543 luzbone - GOOD GRIEF! It's too early to be posting like that (I say that to Ed, too, but he just ignores me like always)!
Thank the Lord you're not supporting Ron Paul!

571 luzbone  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:45:42am

#559 funky chicken

WTFC?

Dr. Luzbone: Fred Thompson "not an extremist".

Dr. Luzbone: James Dobson "not suitable to act on Law & Order".

572 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:45:58am

Mike C...ditto for you. It may be a couple of weeks of "the religion season" among the dem candidates, which means there will be saturation coverage on the media.

It makes me wanna puke and I go to church sometimes (when my husband nags me).

573 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:46:50am

FrogMarch
O'Reilly's been going ballistic on that Boulder High School thing. They invited the same speakers back for next year; however, it will be an "optional" rather than "required" assembly. Like a bunch of high school kids would rather go to class than an assembly.

574 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:47:29am

#569 BabbaZee - YO BABBA! Do you ever check your e-mail, hmmmmm?!

575 MTNester  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:47:58am

#562 Realwest

Have you consulted a pain management group? It's just awful to think you'll have to be in this much pain for up to a year!

576 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:48:28am

#562 realwest
That sucks. Dealing with chronic pain for that long is going to be tough but be careful with your pain meds. We don't want you showing up on an episode of Cops trying to score in the Barrio at 3 a.m.

577 funkyfantom  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:49:06am

I'd like to see a candidate who would say that his first act would be to move the US embassy to Israel's capital, and stop this continual disrespect to an ally that votes with the US in the UN at almost a 100% rate, higher than any other country.

Well? I am waiting.

578 friarstale  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:49:28am

good Michael Ledeen piece at NRO today

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

kinda depressing, as usual

I wish we would help subvert the Iranian Regime
we should help the Iranians overthrow the Mad Mullahs

restore a separation of Church and State in Iran

579 luzbone  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:49:41am

#570 realwest

I would not support or vote for Ron Paul. I would not even listen to him anymore now that I have heard what he has said in different contexts.

However I would not be actively opposed to Ron Paul and Lyndon Larouche having consensual intimate relations.

580 FrogMarch  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:50:03am

549 Luzbone
Another quote (and I paraphrase) from Joel Becker, goes something like this:

"If I had some ecstasy, I'd do some with all of you right now."

I think the "clinical physiologist" had a boner.

From the snips of tape I heard, the four giggling progressive panelists said the same things: "have sex, condoms don't feel good, do drugs, drink and get it one with anyone". I think at some point one of the idiot progressive women said "make sure you focus".
Leftist babble speak to make all their immature giggling wreckless all-feel-and-no-think
sanctimoniously rebellious progressive porn generation punk behavior feel legit.

...for 14 year olds.

581 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:51:22am
582 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:51:22am

#557 Peacekeeper

549 The scary thing is, I get it.

You get healthy sex with Ron Paul? That IS scary!

Hey {MTNester}! Good morning to you too!

583 3 wood  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:51:27am

#562 realwest

The ortho P.A. called me! He said he'd reviewed and the Ortho doctor had reviewed my full body bone scan and said there's nothing wrong with me orthopedically (sp?) and no new tumors or anything like that.

Praise God. I have been praying for that phone call to come. Thank you Lord for answered prayer.

He said there's nothing they (the Orthopedists) can do for me; there's no stress fracture, torn or whatever ligament damage, nothing and then wished me good luck cause he had to attend to other patients!

Well now we just have to switch our praying from getting a clear report back on you to ridding you of the residual pain. I have faith that my Lord is sufficient to do that. We just have to change the request on our prayer list, is all.

584 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:51:47am

Professor Bainbridge on Fred!

Run, Fred, Run
According to the Politico:

Fred Dalton Thompson is planning to enter the presidential race over the Fourth of July holiday, announcing that week that he has already raised several million dollars and is being backed by insiders from the past three Republican administrations, Thompson advisers told The Politico.

Here's why I'm happy:

The last President I really liked also was a former actor
Lifetime 86 rating from the American Conservative Union - solid but not rigidly conservative.
Lifetime 5 rating from Americans for Democratic Action, so he'll really annoy the far left.
Unlike say Hillary or Romney, he hasn't been planning to run for President ever since s/he got elected President of the 9th Grade class and the senior football players ran his/her underwear up the flagpole, as illustrated by his famous comment that "After two years in Washington, I often long for the realism and sincerity of Hollywood.""
With his traditional Southern values, his common-sense reform goals, and his folksy demeanor, "Ol' Fred," as the senator sometimes refers to himself, puts a populist face on a party struggling with an elitist image. Factor in Thompson's media savvy, and you have the makings of a political icon. You have, in fact, the makings of another Ronald Reagan." (Link)
Unlike Romney or Edwards, he doesn't look like a combination of a ken Doll and a local TV weatherman. "Americans are easily starstruck, and Thompson, frankly, looks the part of a president." (link)
He bugs James Dobson, who bugs me.
There's the Kung Fu case for him.
He's got a great voice, which will be perfect for things like the SOTU.
He smokes cigars.
Posted on May 30, 2007 in Politics-Presidential | Permalink

585 shug  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:51:48am

Good Morning Lizard kingdom

586 ChildOfMary  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:51:55am

Good morning, all.

Realwest --
good to see (or read) you hear again this morning -- hang in there


#532 funky chicken

Olmert: Israel Willing to Give up Golan for Peace with Syria

Between stuff like this and our own Ms. Rice mentioning the Palestinian leaders and our founding fathers in the same breath the other day -- I just don't know what to say anymore -- (trying not to despair)


#537 frogmarch
O'Reilly had this story on several times -- he's been talking with a talk radio guy there -- both are waiting for the widespread local citizen outrage that does not seem to materialize

And the TB spreading lawyer says he's sorry surprising for a lawyer), but no one really made things clear to him and then he felt "abandoned" -- poor baby
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/01/health/m ain2873659.shtml

587 luzbone  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:53:14am

#563 BabbaZee

is my blog loading too slow again?

Can you imagine what you would think if someone asked you that question 20 years ago?

588 funky chicken  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:53:53am

Luzbone: I have to say that about a week ago Dobson slammed in the reverse gear and started a backtrackin in a hurry....

pulled out the "grossly misquoted" line...unfortunately for him, his little spokespeople rushed out to support his original statement 2 months ago.

His acolytes will glom on to the "grossly misquoted" thing.

Whatever.

589 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:54:14am

#575 MTNester - Yes I have, thanks. Unfortunately, the doctors down here (or at least the ones I'm going to) don't "like" Pain Management Groups or Centers and won't give me a reference which means my extremely expensive COBRA won't pay for any attention I get at one, much less any drugs they might give me.
Damnit.

#576 Killgore Trout - Thanks, but that ain't gonna happen - I'm VERY careful with my pain meds and no longer attempt to "adjust" my pain medications without checking with a doctor first!
But thanks for your concern.

590 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:54:16am

PK

I am going to cut the front page posts down to 5

maybe that will help

I know it's deep weeds in there but time is tight and we need to know so much....


I just discovered I have "movie maker" - wait till I learn how to use that bitch, LOL!

591 cosmo  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:55:14am

This is a similar comment that Newt Gingrich made a few months back while commenting on the Israel-Hezbollah conflict. While I agree wholeheartedly with the analogy, former Sen. Thompson is recycling ideas and will need to do more than that to sway an electorate who right now isn't even sure if he's convinced himself that he really wants to be president.

592 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:55:33am

{m} & {MTNester}
My friendgirls!

593 Mike C.  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:55:47am

# 515 realwest

Never mind. One of my buddies e-mailed me and informed me that next Thursday is a holiday (they have endless amounts of them) and the effing office is completely closed Friday for carpet cleaning (?). So screw that - I just changed my reservations to fly Friday instead.

3 wood

Heard a guy play the dulcimer with finger picks (same as a bluegrass banjo picker would use) a number of years back. Not traditional, of course, but the sound was immense. The strings are old and probably dead as the proverbial door nail. I don't know, because I've been muckig about with the bodhrain more of late.

A week of immersion would probably be wasted on me. My musical talent is right up there with my liguistic talent. Zero, zip, nadda, zilch, bupkis. Proven over decades on a number of instruments and in a number of languages. Some cats got it, and some cats don't.

594 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:56:20am

#587 luzbone
ahhhaahahhaa that was funny

595 luzbone  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:56:41am

#580 FrogMarch

Completely sick.

They telling the kid to "follow their piss."

(not bliss)

596 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:56:50am

Good Morning.

From the Article:

The irony is that Israel has the military might to easily win the war that is being waged against them today. They haven’t used that might, in the past, out of compassion for Palestinian civilians and because it could trigger a wider regional conflict.

That seems to be what we're doing in Iraq too. We have the might to do to Iraq what we did to Japan, then seal the borders wholly, then begin rebuilding efforts on OUR terms. But we haven't, out of compassion for the Iraqi people.

Though, there is a light. Apparently the Iraqis are beginning to rise up against the enemy.

About time.

597 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:59:14am

Of note and interest this morning:

Caroline Glick hits one out the park today. The US should consider taking massively open states like the Dakotas or Colorado and setting up an EU for real Europeans. Full scale microstates to perpetuate the language and culture of the soon to be former societies of Europe. Swedish girls dye their hair dark to avoid unwanted attention on the streets of their homeland. I think these people would be a tremendous asset to the US. Give them land; if they want to set up little socialist villages they could we'll control the borders thank you.

Memri has a very special graduation ceremony at the Gaza Islamic kindergarten! Their is a brief snippet of little girls dressed in white (presumably celebrating the end of their Islamist education) with butterfly costumes but the big part of the tape is the boys ceremony: marching and preparing to dive through flaming hoops and shouting theidesire to die for their faith. Anyone viewing it sheds tears. The moron parents because they actually believe this horse manure and me because these programmed little fascists can only be stopped by the bullet and I hate losing Jewish soldiers and civilians in the effort to survive what these future monsters will do.

599 republic  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 8:46:52am

These sub humans are beyond evil!

Palestinian Kindergarten graduates vow to die for Allah

[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

600 WriterMom  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 8:47:58am

ARE WE BACK?

GAAAAAAAAAA

601 christheprofessor  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 8:48:57am
602 Poitiers-Lepanto  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 9:46:00am

100 online ?

How bittersweet ! It reminds me of my days as a young lizard !

603 zmdavid  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 9:50:17am

Still pretty slow...

604 Bobblehead  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 9:52:37am

Hamsters must be on strike. Outsourcing may be necessary.

605 Mike C.  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 9:52:45am

Can I assume that Stinky has arrived at work and fixed whatever ?

607 realwest  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 9:54:02am

HEY - Where the heck did LGF GO? Charles were we under a DOS attack or something? Seriously, LGF was totally unreachable for hours this morning!

608 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 9:55:41am

ctp
The thing about people who swear so much is that they eventually mess up and do it in public. We can only hope and pray she does it sooner rather than f*cking later.
;-)

609 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 9:55:41am

Ahhhh

Now all is right with the world.

610 rw in san diego  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 9:57:07am

#601 CTP

Oh my Lord, can that be true? I'd never heard anything like that about Hillary before.

611 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 9:58:21am

Babba
The blog rocks. Truly.

612 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:00:06am

Preparing to beg...AGAIN: UK mulling Iranian help in Iraq hostage hunt

LONDON - London is considering approaching Teheran for help in finding five Britons kidnapped in Baghdad, The Guardian newspaper said Friday, citing officials.
{snip}
The Britons are still missing amid fears they have fallen into the hands of one of the Shia militia groups that have infiltrated Iraq’s police.

Top Iraqi officials said they were presuming that the kidnap gang was a rogue faction of the Mahdi army loyal to the radical Shia cleric Moqtada Al Sadr....

613 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:00:33am

#608 redstateredneck

{REDSTATEREDNECK}! You... you... redstate redneck you!

Hey {gettinby}! {realwest}! {CtP}! {Writermom}!
{Queen Spleen}!

Babba, all that power-blogging must have scared the internet gremlins! (it's always loaded fine for me tho)

614 christheprofessor  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:00:36am

#608 redstate

F*ckin' A!

#610 RW in San Diego

I'm afraid it's true. I never would have guessed, either...

615 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:00:42am

Sorry if this is old news, but this letter to the UCI Chancellor caught my eye.
DeVore to Drake: Condemn hate speech

On the evening of Thursday, May 24, I visited UCI to attend a presentation sponsored by the MSU. The reasons for my visit were twofold: challenge the unwritten UCI policy that allowed the MSU to shut down public reporting at a public event at a government-owned institution of higher learning; and, more importantly, put a spotlight on the ongoing MSU practice of inviting hate-speakers, such as Malik Ali and Imam al-Asi, on campus, and by doing so, encourage you and your leadership to speak out against hate speech, rather than act as if such speech deserves the same merit and consideration as reasoned debate and dialogue.


You may know that a week before I attended the MSU meeting, an OCBlog journalist was ejected from a UCI MSU meeting for trying to video record the event. Evidently, the organizers of the event were concerned that the speaker, Imam Muhammad al-Asi, would say some incendiary things that they did not want out in public. (Back in February 2001 Imam al-Asi said in one of his more benign speeches at UCI, “We have a psychosis in the Jewish community that is unable to co-exist equally and brotherly with other human beings. You can take the Jew out of the ghetto, but you cannot take the ghetto out of the Jew.”)
616 valkyrie  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:01:00am

Overheard at Palestinian kindergarten ceremony:

Pali Mom to Pali Dad: Where does the time go? It seems like it was just yesterday that we were hiding hand grenades in his diaper. And now he's almost ready to jump through flaming hoops.

Pali Dad to Pali Mom: There, there. We still have plenty of time left with him. He won't become a martyr for another nine or ten years.

617 christheprofessor  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:01:38am

#613 {m}

How the hell are you?

618 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:02:03am

{m}!
Hey, you cute li'l ole thang!

619 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:03:00am

ctp

F*ckin' A!


Your redneck's showin'!

620 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:03:43am
621 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:06:45am
622 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:06:57am

tfk
That's pretty much how I've been feeling.

623 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:07:31am

Backatcha {m}

And to {everyone else}.

I think that "dear" MotherUSA should just go on and speak her good ol' natural way.

/should help her to lose an election. ;)

624 christheprofessor  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:08:06am

#618 RSRN

Heh. Fixin' to work on it some more, when I take the Best Dog in the World™ for a nice walk in the NC sun...

625 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:08:55am
626 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:08:57am

My 622

That's pretty much how I've been feeling.


Re: the Peggy Noonan piece

627 Revka  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:09:26am

Thompson/Romney.

628 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:11:54am

#615 UFO TOFU

That would be interesting to follow up for what response, if any, the assemblyman will receive.

629 Revka  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:12:09am

I wonder what kind of crap the Hildabeast machine will dig up on Thompson. NOtice NOTHING has been dug up on ole' Hill yet, except maybe misspelled banners behind her, or the way she dresses. Same with Dumbo, I mean.. Barrack yo'mamma.

630 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:12:57am

#611 {redstateredneck}

Thank you very much!

631 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:13:05am

Thompson/Hunter would be better, imho.

632 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:14:10am

#613 {m}
Might be PK's computer makes it load slow too?

BBL

633 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:28:05am

Hunter/Thompson.

hey all.

634 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:29:32am
635 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:31:09am

#633 {Lance}

That works very well also (probably maybe better)!

636 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:37:16am

gettinby
Those C-17 aircraft are pretty cool.

637 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:40:30am

635 gettinby

apart from Term Limits, I don't know much about Thompson that really sets him apart from the rest... they all talk.

Besides, if Thompson is as good as everyone hopes, then he can go for president in 2016 with ME as his VP *grin*

638 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:42:06am

634 gettinby

is that a good idea?

isn't their government filled with the terrorist supporters who were bombing Israel just a few months ago?

639 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:43:11am

UFO TOFU

That's amazing!

640 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:45:12am

#638 Lance

Yes, as I recall. My fear is that anything we supply will ultimately be used against our dear friends, the Israelis.

641 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:46:51am

#628 gettinby
If I see a response to that letter, I'll post it.

642 Revka  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:50:22am

Gettinby
Thompson/Hunter IS much better than Hunter/Thompson.. Ditto..

643 Widow'smight  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:50:40am

Hello folks,

Very busy, but wishing you all a wonderful weekend. See ya next week.

644 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:51:52am

640 gettinby

either used against them, or the free ammo will free up funds to be spent on rockets and such to be launched again.

642 Revka

Why?

645 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:53:07am

Boy, there's nothing that really helps the ol' self confidence as holding the door open for someone who looks away from you to keep from having to acknowledge your presence. (I mean, what happens if they accidently are seen saying hi? They may not be able to sit at the cool table anymore! heh)

646 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:57:04am

Revka

I was suggesting that Thompson/Hunter would be better than Thompson/Romney.

However, imho, qualifications-wise as my reading and discussing goes so far, Hunter/Thompson would be very good also.

One of my favorite sites for assessing candidates is here.

And, it is very interesting to take the quiz and to review the candidates' answers to the quiz questions.

Hunter's area of improvement should probably be a better stylist, tailor, and marketing. ;)

/but what do any of us know this early? LOL

647 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 10:59:00am

HELLO {WIDOW'SMIGHT}!

648 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:06:40am

Where’s redstate, I liked to fell outta my chair when I saw what state this is in:

A massive granite monument espousing the conservation of mankind and future generations. Sources for the sizable financing of the project choose to remain anonymous. The wording of the message proclaimed on the monument is in "12" languages - including the archaic languages of Sanskrit, Babylonian Cuneiform, Egyptian Hieroglyphics and Classical Greek - as well as in English, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic, Hindi, Chinese, Spanish and Swahili.
The guides, followed by explanatory precepts, are as follows. The words are exactly as the "sponsors" provided them:
1. *Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. *Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. *Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. *Rule Passion - Faith - Tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. *Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. *Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. *Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. *Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. *Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. *Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.
649 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:25:51am

ugh.

office drama.

on a Friday afternoon... ought to be a cardinal sin.

650 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:27:16am

#648 UFO TOFU

Wow. I wonder who the author has in mind to do the Maintaining, Guiding, Uniting, Ruling, Protecting, Letting, Avoiding, Balancing, Prizing and Being?

There have to be leaders...who decides this stuff I wonder?

10,000 years from now, this will be the only thing left of our times. The future inhabitants will think we were all liberals. *shudder*

651 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:30:19am

Lance
Don't you wish you could pass some of these out at work?

652 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:30:38am

Ooopsie.

It appears the natives are restless and not too happy.

The Republican National Committee, hit by a grass-roots donors' rebellion over President Bush's immigration policy, has fired all 65 of its telephone solicitors, The Washington Times has learned.
Faced with an estimated 40 percent falloff in small-donor contributions and aging phone-bank equipment that the RNC said would cost too much to update, Anne Hathaway, the committee's chief of staff, summoned the solicitations staff and told them they were out of work, effective immediately, fired staff members told The Times.

653 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:34:27am

651 UFO

but, that would be insensitive

heh.

654 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:37:36am

652 gettinby

so... people are cranky at the President for the immigration bill, so the solution is to fire employees at the RNC?

*rubs head*

Anyone else ever feel like the whole world is taking crazy pills?

655 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:38:20am

gettinby

"We write these comments up from each call, and give them to a supervisor who passes them on to the finance director or the national chairman," he said. "But when I talked with the White House, the people there told me they got nothing but positive comments on the president's immigration stand."


Let's hope they hear the money, then. I quit contributing to them years ago.

656 lurking faith  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:44:31am
The Republican National Committee, hit by a grass-roots donors' rebellion over President Bush's immigration policy, has fired all 65 of its telephone solicitors, The Washington Times has learned.

Typical. Management makes an utterly stupid decision, and when the organization starts to lose money as a result, who gets fired? The rank and file.

657 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:47:27am

Hey {Y'all}
I was gone a while.

Okay: Hunter/Thompson ticket
Maybe the moonbats would think they were voting for this guy.

/fear and loathing in DC
:D

658 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:48:31am
Anyone else ever feel like the whole world is taking crazy pills?


At least the government is. I'm forced to purchase CNG-powered vehicles. There are two engine manufacturers producing CNG engines. People with far larger fleets than mine advise staying away from the Cummins product. Now this. Lead time on taking delivery on a new vehicle probably just doubled. What happens to price again when supply goes down? Is the government going to relent and let us purchase clean diesels running on ultra low sulphur fuel with state-of-the-art particulate traps?
No.
"We'll probably mandate propane."
I am so getting out of this business.
Sorry, rant off.

659 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:51:46am

Sheesh, TOFU, you against clean air or something?
;-)

660 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:53:43am

#654 Lance

I think this is called "Kill the Messenger."

#655 UFO TOFU

Let's hope they hear the money, then. I quit contributing to them years ago

It sure seems they didn't hear the voters of '06?
Hopefully, you're right and they'll hear the $$$.

#656 lurking faith

Hi.

Management makes an utterly stupid decision, and when the organization starts to lose money as a result, who gets fired? The rank and file.

I think it's in the Large Corporation Management Code Book that is secretly given when entering their ranks.

Rule #1.001 Since the employee is being paid, it shall be okay to screw them when you believe we can get away with it.

661 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:54:35am

658 UFO

Especially after all the time and energy spent on making the low sulfur fuel FOR the truckers....

Another case of the government using your gun to shoot itself in the foot.

662 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:56:39am

redstate

I like it. By the time they catch on, it'll be too late!

LOL

663 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 11:58:31am

Say, for the science minded folk

someone had the idea, on Glenn Beck's show of combinging Aluminum with gallium to chemically produce hydrogen from water (Rather than using an electrical charge, which takes more energy than you get)...

but Gallium is around 400 to 500 bucks for 10 grams.

(not to mention that it is a substance that melts at just above room temperature, so there would be a fear of getting it in the air, then into your nose, then it'd melt and get into your system)

but... all you have to do is get the aluminum oxide off of the aluminum so it reacts with the water to combine with oxygen and release hydrogen, right?

Lye will do that.

Lye is a bit cheaper than Gallium.

664 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:05:26pm

Ok. i'm torqued off.

I need good news.

665 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:05:31pm

Man y'all ... I ate too much!

What'd I miss?

:-)

666 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:07:42pm

redstate
You wait. CA is probably going to pass a new bill (I can't find the link now) adding a new truck lane on the major socal freeway corridors. Only trucks meeting stringent new emission standards, AND pulling doubles will be allowed to use the lane.
Coming to your state soon!
Neener, neener, neener.
(Are doubles always the most efficient and in-demand way to move freight?)

667 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:07:52pm

I don't even know what gallium is.

668 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:09:31pm

What has you torqued Lance?
You want I should come up there and kick some ass for ya?

669 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:09:51pm

Lance
The good news is Air Force One got a facelift.

670 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:10:47pm

From the HA HA HA Department.

PETA seeks tax breaks for vegetarians.

In a letter sent Wednesday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), PETA President Ingrid Newkirk stated, “[V]egetarians are responsible for far fewer greenhouse-gas emissions and other kinds of environmental degradation than meat-eaters.”

(bolding is mine)

Couldn't they just fill out the 'Fart Exemption Form' on their tax return?

671 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:12:56pm

Breakthrough in modern education (where's frax)!

672 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:14:04pm

667 redstate

it is a kind of rare element, not found on its own anywhere, but is often coupled with other certain elements and is purified via smelting.

668 m

please do, I'll have a list ready by the time you get here, but eat up, you'll need your energy, it is a long list.

669 ufo
Heh.. thanks.

673 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:14:13pm

#645 LanceKates ~ you just gotta act like you ARE at the cool table. Then it will be!

/forever the optimist :)

/didja think about letting the door close on them? They wouldn't have seen it coming with the nose in the air.

674 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:14:48pm
(Are doubles always the most efficient and in-demand way to move freight?)


Depends what you're hauling. The weight rules still apply. We haul bulk, dry and liquid. No doubles here.

675 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:15:00pm

#672 LanceKates ~ don't worry. I have LIZARD STAMINA!

676 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:16:17pm

673 m

nah, despite the person I'm dealing with, I always try to be a good person.

Happens pretty often here though... people literally look away, at a wall, to keep from having to make eye contact or acknowledge that I'm there. How petty and shallow.

677 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:17:31pm

TOFU

CA is probably going to pass a new bill (I can't find the link now) adding a new truck lane on the major socal freeway corridors. Only trucks meeting stringent new emission standards


Ha! Prolly cause they'll be going so s-l-o-w with those new fuel efficent, low emission engines!

678 UFO TOFU  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:19:12pm

Later folks, have to go make preparations for the wedding shower tomorrow. Have a great weekend!
Who new a hole could cause suction?

679 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:20:40pm

675 m

don't worry. I have LIZARD STAMINA!

*thump*

680 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:22:01pm

redstate
&
UFO TOFU

Prolly cause they'll be going so s-l-o-w with those new fuel efficent, low emission engines!

Or, have to haul only 1/2 the normal amount.

/True, then they would have twice the hauling, but this will make sense to the code enforcers.

//This is just my usual sticking-my-nose-into-business-about-which-I-know- nothing. ;)

681 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:23:35pm

gettinby

“Vegetarians are responsible for far fewer greenhouse-gas emissions and other kinds of environmental degradation than meat-eaters."


Not if they eat eggs.

682 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:24:51pm

Bye {UFO TOFU}

Have fun, and here's to LOTS of gifts!

683 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:26:28pm
//This is just my usual sticking-my-nose-into-business-about-whi ch-I-know-nothing. ;)


Then that qualifies you to work for a regulatory agency!

684 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:26:48pm

redstate

LOL

/boy, do I have egg on my face!

685 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:29:27pm

683 redstate

nah, she's a conservative.

686 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:33:19pm

By the by...

Any good news from MTNester?

687 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:36:27pm

O.M.G. !
I'm listening to New Orleans radio and they're interviewing people about the upcoming hurricane season (starts today) and asking them if a storm is heading to New Orleans again, would they leave.
.
.
.
.
.
And the dumb asses say, "Naw; I don't think I would."
Go ahead; stay your stupid asses there.

688 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:36:29pm

686 gettinby

yup, she starts monday I think.

689 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:37:25pm
Any good news from MTNester?


She starts her new job Monday; she's pretty excited about that!

690 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:37:33pm

#676 LanceKates

Happens pretty often here though... people literally look away, at a wall, to keep from having to make eye contact or acknowledge that I'm there. How petty and shallow.

Lance you are making me mad. I think I really do need to come up there and straighten people out.

>:-[

That's frikken rude.

691 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:38:52pm

Such great news!

{MTNester}

Congratulations!

692 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:42:47pm

690 m

It is how it is. I could really rant about some recent events, but on a public board like this I won't.

693 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:44:38pm

My daughter once worked in an office where this old bitch brought monkey bread. She said it was for everybody to enjoy EXCEPT my daughter!

694 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:47:07pm

Ooh! I'm gonna change my nic to Loosey.

695 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:47:15pm

Lance

Sounds like the high school I attended. Just stupid pettiness and silliness.

When did common courtesy leave? It was there one day, and the next? *poof*

/sigh

696 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:49:58pm

This is what I was lookin' for. m paying a little visit to Lance's co-workers.

697 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:50:50pm

695 gettinby

and those are the people getting promoted. heh.

698 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:53:32pm

696 redstate

I picture her wardrobe a little differently...

I mean, where are the knee high leather boots with high heels?

lol

(ok, I'm bad.... heading to corner now)

699 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:53:49pm
I'm gonna change my nic to Loosey.

I love it.

Last weekend, Charles opened registration. I tried to register 'chattycathy' but forgot I needed a 'real' email address and have already used the one I have. So, no go.

700 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:56:59pm

Actually, if I registered a new nic I don't know what it would be. I registered right after the election in '04 and chose my nic because of all the pissing and moaning about Bush being re-elected by the rednecks in the red states. I thought, "Hell, yeah!"!

701 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:58:50pm

3:00! Dang, it sure feels later.

702 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:59:17pm

Loosey~ I love it.

:-D

#695 gettinby

I have always bragged on the south and our manners... but I was told recently, by my gay friend Michael, that it wasn't that people down here were so nice, but that I was so blonde. If we go out shopping or something and guys hold the door for me, he'll just roll his eyes.

~lol~
I'll be like- "jealous much?"
:-D

He loves me though!
And we ARE nicer dammit!

703 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:59:34pm

700 realwest

you could be 'MamaTrucker'

or "ILookLikeRayBaronesWife"

704 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 12:59:59pm

Wonder what newmelleman's doing.

705 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:01:08pm

#693 redstateredneck

My daughter once worked in an office where this old bitch brought monkey bread. She said it was for everybody to enjoy EXCEPT my daughter!

ggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

I'll stop by Mississippi on my way to Oklahoma.

>:-[

706 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:02:11pm

#696 redstateredneck ~ hahahaha!
Power fist and all! Lookout!

707 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:04:01pm

#698 LanceKates ~ well it is a little warm for boots right now :)


#703 LanceKates

700 realwest

Okay, you've had enough. Go hom- take a break and call us in the morning. Realwest isn't stacked like that!

708 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:04:22pm

e ^

709 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:05:12pm

693 redstate

your daughter should have taken some anyway.

How'd you like to see that on your pink slip?

Reason for Termination: "Ate Monkey Bread that was for every employee except her."

710 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:05:53pm
#703 LanceKates

700 realwest


The stress is gettin' to him.

711 gettinby  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:06:29pm

Lance

Here you go! You probably saw this one.

It's Friday....maybe somebody (m?) will 'smack 'em upside the haid'* with a cluebat over the weekend for you! I hope so.

/now just where did I leave my southern manners? ;)

Well, I'm off. Good weekend to all.

712 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:06:46pm

707 m

heh.. meant redstate... realwest came out.

evil fingers.

yeah... that's it.

"Hey Boss.. I need to go home because I typed realwest instead of redstate on this blog that I go to when work makes me want to poke out my own eyeballs."

*grin*

713 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:07:56pm

Bye {Gettinby}! You be good now, ya heah?!

714 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:09:06pm
715 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:12:12pm
Reason for Termination: "Ate Monkey Bread that was for every employee except her."


LOL! She was one mean old bag. Guess it was because the general manager was a customer of my husband so he knew her. The old woman had worked there forever and he didn't even know her name. He'd stop by the office and call my daughter by her name, asking her to babysit his kids or something. Whatever...didn't sit well!

716 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:16:09pm

715 redstate

What the hell is wrong with people?

People can act like that, but it is somehow 'wrong' to kick them in the butt.

I say that, once a month, you can kick someone in the butt for free.

Imagine how much nicer we'd be to one another if, should we act like a dink, they could give us a swift kick in the butt.

717 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:19:21pm

I also say that if someone is driving like a dink (speeding, cutting people off, changing lanes without signalling, etc) we can run them off the road once a month.

Imagine how well people will drive.

718 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:23:23pm

Lance
You sound like my former boss. He used to say as much as he had to pay in liability premiums for fifty trucks, we ought to be able to just run over somebody and kill them every now and then!

719 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:27:55pm

718 redstate

lol.. would I like this former boss?

720 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:34:36pm
would I like this former boss?

Definitely. He taught me more about being a conservative than anyone else.

721 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:38:29pm

720 redstate

heh, sounds good then.

1 hour 20 minutes to go.

I just have to make it that long without another major annoyance.

722 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:40:10pm
I just have to make it that long without another major annoyance.


Good luck with that!

723 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:41:23pm

722 redstate

heh. thanks.

724 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:42:44pm

They may have busted the spam king or whatever they called him yesterday, but I'm still getting an awful lot of junk emails! I think our provider here at work was taken over as a zombie, cause sometimes I get undeliverable mail messages for mail I didn't send. I notified our IT dept., but never heard back from them.

725 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:55:49pm

724 redstate

it is kind of misreported... they're saying that he's in the top ten, but the reports I read said that he was "near" the top 10...

and he was sending millions of them... so it really doesn't make a dent at all.... since there are at least 10 people doing more than he is.

726 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 1:59:49pm

TGIF PEOPLE!

mwah! mwah!

Have a great weekend!

727 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:00:22pm

take care m.

728 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:02:44pm

A last minute flurry of activity at work. Gotta go.
Have a grat weekend, Lance!

729 redstateredneck  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:03:36pm

grat weekend? Of course I meant GREAT!

730 LanceKates  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 2:25:56pm

heh, thanks, i'll do what I can.

731 EE  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:36:15pm

Good message by Sen. Fred Thompson.

732 EE  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 4:43:10pm

The former senator has it right.

Actually, I think that with one exception all of the announced and possible presidential candidates in the GOP are speaking out right on the situation facing Israel-- with the obvious exception of Ron Paul, who is running but polls show would not attract votes in the Republican primary.

733 armaros  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 6:28:00pm

Good for you Sen. Fred.

just in case you ll need this in a potential campaign scenario or a potential "rebuttal a la v. Michael Moore":

[Link: archives.cnn.com...]
[Link: www.wsws.org...]
[Link: www.commondreams.org...]

734 Crotalus Atrox  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 7:44:55pm

Judging from the number of posts about Fred!, I think we got a winner.

735 Black Bloke  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 8:16:05pm

Rep. Paul is probably pro-Israel as well but only personally, and that's as it should be in America. Unlike Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and all the others, Ron Paul isn't a criminal, or a liar, or a traitor. American politicians swear an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States, and nothing else. Those who break their oaths are liars, those who go against the Constitution in favor of alien powers are traitors, those violate the highest law of the land are criminals.

Where in the Constitution are politicians allowed to show their "support" for another nation's people or government with the money of Americans? Among the candidates for POTUS, only Rep. Paul can actually be credibly called an American patriot. All of the others should be clapped in irons.

And to think, conservatives and Republicans used to decry the redistribution of wealth. I guess it's fine to take two to three billion dollars a year from the American taxpayer so long as it's going to support Israel, or Egypt, or Jordan, or Saudi Arabia, according to todays "conservatives."

Israel would be immensely better off with direct support from interested parties within the United States than having a federal bureaucracy extort and redistribute wealth to do the same job. Send Israel money, send Israel guns, send Israel manpower if you feel, but don't force anyone else to do the same. Israel is not an enemy the United States so any aid or comfort citizens give to it will not be considered treasonous, and under Constitutional government will not be watched, overseen, regulated, or prohibited. Citizens working together to achieve a goal can accomplish far better results than citizens coerced by their government masters to push pawns in a gigantic game of international chess.

736 m  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 8:20:21pm

^ ^ ^ Claiming we brought 9-11 on ourselves... real f'in patriotic.

*spit*

737 tradewind  Fri, Jun 1, 2007 9:03:19pm

I'm a Tennesseean, and I can proudly say that Fred Thompson will serve as our reparation to the nation for the injustice ya'll were forced to endure in the person of Al Gore.

738 jackfetch  Sat, Jun 2, 2007 7:39:58am

You know...

This is something I haven't felt since 1976 and heard a speech from a primary candidate which caused me to work on my first campaign. (I was exactly one election early to vote, but I could stuff envelopes and make phone calls.) I still wonder what would have happened had Reagan beat out Ford for the nomination.

It seems every time Sen. Thompson opens his mouth about something, I find myself nodding along in agreement, and surprisingly feeling better about things. He's got a way of speaking to the core of something quickly, no fear of speaking his heart on a matter (can you imagine any other candidate rebutting Michael Moore on YouTube?), manages to be both insightful and quick with his decisions (witness his rapid response to the immigration bill), and has a style of presenting himself that is both relaxed yet authoritative.

So, I'm liking his views so far... and have come to the realization that we need someone in the White House who can actually get people to listen to a whole speech and not just the sound bites the talking heads choose later. I think Thompson has an "it" factor that's been missing for a while, and I'd say get ready for Democrat smear campaigning early... primary early... because his poise has the potential to rip votes across party lines.

I'd hate to see him as a VP candidate, however. It would be a horrible waste of his obvious communication talents.

739 Black Bloke  Sat, Jun 2, 2007 3:34:30pm
#736 m 6/01/2007 8:20:21 pm PDT
^ ^ ^ Claiming we brought 9-11 on ourselves... real f'in patriotic.

*spit*

Provide evidence or be ignored. Further, who is this "we?" Since you probably won't respond with anything of substance, I'm arming my GAZE post.

740 EE  Sat, Jun 2, 2007 8:53:31pm

Blaming the victim is nothing new. Ron Paul just uses an old method of assigning blame that automatically rejects blaming the perpetrator of evil deeds and assigns blame to the victim.

That's how Ron Paul is able to blame the US for the vicious attack by the radical Islamists.

I am glad that there are polling results that indicate that his share of the Republican primary votes will be close to 00.0%.


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