Colour me surprised. Not.

The Truthers have crossed the pond.

of course, no muslim has ever committed an act of violence in the name of their religion.

Conspiracy theories are history for the very stupid.

L. Ron Paul might have a shot at British PM, based on the number of kooks in England

#2 new2thezoo

The Truthers have crossed the pond.

Actually I think it was the Fwench who first put forth the theory that 9/11 was a conspiracy.

Either these are the stupidest people on earth or, no that's it-they're the stupidest people on earth.

And if we add to that 60% the "[t]hirteen percent [of UK Muslims who] say the July 7 suicide bombers should be regarded as "martyrs," 16% say the attacks were wrong but the cause was right, while 20% feel sympathy for the "feelings and motives" of the attackers"... it seems that in the UK, truly moderate Muslims consistute a tiny minority of extremists.

Whoops, "constitute". I typoed the "tit" part.

...and this comes as a surprise to whom?

I see no hands.

[Link: notoislam.blogspot.com...]

It could have been a passenger with really bad flatulence, and a stray spark from the 'third rail'.

Although I read somewhere that only about half the population have sufficient methane concentration in their flatus to be flammable.

I think part of their strategy is to make my head explode with cognitive dissonance. "We support all the Jihad acts, or we would, if we did them".

"Truthers", British style.

I can't wait until all of the people who will be in Hell, are in Hell, and all of the people who will be in Heaven, are in Heaven, because this pitiful world is getting to be too much to take.

The fact that the mjority of good and decent people in this world, won't put an end to the insanity in this world, when they have every resource and tool at their disposal, is the hardest to take.

My bases are covered, I know exactly where I will be when the final battle is over, because it has been promised to me, by my Maker.

Now the British can enjoy some good "Truther" crap being spewed in their country.

As I've said many times, there is one, and only one, solution to this dilemma: Non-Muslims everywhere must do everything we can to separate ourselves from Muslims as much as possible.

I've never understood how people who say things like this -- that Muslims would never have committed the attack on 7/7, or 9/11 -- are the same people who, when asked, praise the motivations of the people who DID commit the act:

1. Muslims wouldn't do that, but
2. Praise be on our militant, martyred brothers who did.

Absolutely no evidence exists that Muslims are involved in any sort of acts of violence.
Except newspaper stories going back to the 1970's.

This billboard saying 'Discover Jesus in the Quran' was photographed along the Brooklyn Queens Expressway recently. When you go to their website there is nothing about Jesus.

It's the Religion of Peace. It can't be responsible for terrorism around the world.

Sad to say.Fjordman is 100% correct.

Im shocked.

I would have thought that they think that Mossad was behind 7/7

No it was the jooooooooss ?

Reality challenged.

Al in Snackbar seems to be some really lousy last words.

#18 NoS

Do you have a real link to that?

The time for my "Spam Cannons" has come. SPANNONS. What ever happened to the 1,051# pig three 11 year-old killed in Georgia?

The time has long come to say tough s%$t to all your grievences. Islam seems not to get along with any other system religious or political.

Fun rush hour developing in Dallas County.

Bad rush hour for the Persian Gulf tomorrow through Friday.

Bad rush hour on the MOPAC.

OT or maybe not

We could send them flowers.

People of Middle Eastern descent having no concept of objective truth, and explaining away unpleasant reality with bizarre, convoluted conspiracy theories?

I am shocked, x2.

If truth is discounted in 9/11 and 7/7... how easy it will be to swallow 666.

#25 PIMF the

#17 Just_a_Grunt: The 1970s? Don't you mean the 620s?

In a show of assimilation and moderation, 40% of UK Muslims think Muslims were responsible for 7/7, aka, Britain's 9/11.

/BBC headline.

24 ward cleaver
Not sure what you mean by 'real' link? I didn't take the photo. A documentary film maker sent it to me.

#17 Just_A_Grunt

Except newspaper stories going back to the 1970's.

Except reports going back to the 770's

Fixed that for ya.

Reza was 60% offended.

Sura 19 ("Maryam") has Maryam and Issa (Mary & Jesus), indeed, Sura 19 even has John the Baptist and company.

One interestimg thing, Maryam is the sister of Haroun (Aaron), and while it isn't explicitly stated, the implication is that Maryam is the Miriam of Exodus, making Moses the uncle of Jesus.

Big Mo knew just enough Christian and Jewish scripture to really make a hash out of it.

I think part of their strategy is to make my head explode with cognitive dissonance. "We support all the Jihad acts, or we would, if we did them".

I, Mudd?

So they REALLY ARE just like democrats.......Conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy....deny deny deny......

Evacuations after Oman cyclone warning

From correspondents in Muscat, Oman

OMAN has evacuated 7000 people from coastal areas amid warnings that a cyclone with winds of up to 176km/h is headed for the Gulf sultanate, police said overnight.

Residents of the island of Masirah in the Arabian Sea as well as of Oman's eastern coastline have sought refuge on higher ground after meteorologists warned that the storm was expected to make landfall in the next 30 hours, Inspector General of Police and Customs Malik al-Maamari said.

The cyclone originated in the Arabian Sea and is moving at a rate of seven to 10km/h, Mr Maamari said in the capital Muscat.

He said the storm was expected to be accompanied by high waves as well as heavy rains.

I have consumed generic government purhcased grape Kool-Aid and baked beans on al-Masirah.

If anyone doesn't know it yet, or is still in complete denial, that islam is a cult of deceit and murder, nothing more, they will all know, one day.

"Oh, I know plenty of people who are Islamic, they are really peaceful."

For a person to be Islamic, a person needs to accept what the quran says, and no matter how anyone tries to spin it, that book, not to mention all of the other Islamic teachings, demand that the followers deceive, and murder, to bring about a worldwide dominance by Islam, nothing else will be accepted.

I do not hate Muslims, I despise their culture of hatred and intolerance, their teachings of hatred and intolerance, and their ideology of hate.

Some people talk about Iraq being the only reason that Islamofascists want to kill us, then please tell me, why, for decades, every Palestinian child, has been taught to hate, and aspire to kill Jews?

Islam is a cult of deceit and murder, it always has been and it always will be.

Well, not always, there will come a time, when the Creator says enough is enough.

Once again, an honest appraisal of the situation shows that large numbers of muslims are dangerously disconnected from reality.

I believe the British muslims can kiss 60% of my arse. That would be slightly more than one cheek.

lurking faith

Sorry, are you asking if I am Mudd? Nope, it's just me.

Well, any one who follows Islam has shit for brains. And it sometimes shows.

#30 new2thezoo

If truth is discounted in 9/11 and 7/7... how easy it will be to swallow 666.

Billions, will accept it, like many would accept handouts from the Democrats.

The deception is being set up, as we speak.

It will be a pretty smooth transition, for Stan.

Until, he, and they are thrown into the lake of fire.

Then it will become very clear, for those there, forever.

Oman's Katrina?

Can't wait to see the future survey results five years after the bombings where Tony Blair is blamed and accused of shipping the melted Underground cars out through Liverpool under cover of darkness, dumping them in the depths of the North Sea.

Sadly British parliment will probably hold inquiries into these new alligations in order to fully address muslim concerns.

I've had this discussion with an apostate before.

I think you can't take this literally. They don't actually believe that 7/7 wasn't committed by a Muslims.

What they believe is:

1. Anyone who ever sides with the infidels against the Jihadis will go to hell. This is specific theology. "God will deny his blessing"

2. They can not allow criticism of Islam, even implied criticism, even in private. Among themselves some will even celebrate 7/7. Certainly many will be in awe of the holiness of the terrorist who committed it. But the very same people will even deny that Muslims had anything to do with it if confronted by another Muslim who seems to disapprove.

3. They will quell their own tinges of humanity by believing the lie whenever they have to. Truth isn't important to them. Avoiding hell by hating the infidel and siding against us is

In short, pretending to deny the reality of what they do is a defense mechanism that allows them to remain good Muslims by always blaming and hating and siding against the infidel.

Islam does not create sane people.

Great Britain is in deep doodoo.

#3 deacon

of course, no muslim has ever committed an act of violence in the name of their religion.

And they'll kill you if you say any differently.

making Moses the uncle of Jesus

Man, that must have gotten awkward at family reunions.

"So, nephew [clears throat], your mom tells me you claim to be the Messiah..."

#44 Spenser

No - your cognitive dissonance comment just made me think of the episode "I, Mudd" - the part where the interepid Enterprise crew makes the robot women's brains go Poof! with illogic.

/my geekhood is showing

and of course, the guys two weeks later with the bombs that didn't explode, and were chased off the trains........

explain that

#41 republic

I said the same thing yesterday and was shocked that it has taken so many years after 9/11 for em to feel comfortable saying exactly what I feel: I do not hate Muslims, I despise their culture of hatred, intolerance, sexism and rabid paranoia often in the form of rank Jew hatred.
I also despise the would-be liberals who would shuck a Western culture that has never, ever been so worth defending and who would have Muslims as innocent victims when it is they who preach supremicism.

I think the main function of people on this site is to bring these should-be normal thoughts to our friends and family, particulalry on the left side of things.

This "surprise" is so pathetic. The only safe line for any muslim who values his place in the herd is to blame any and all muslim crimes on nonmuslims. Telling truth to possible fanatics within or unbelievers without is not a recipe for a long quiet life.

About the same situation as answering "yes" to a survey during the rule of King Henry VIII asking "Is it time to give the Catholics a bit more freedom to practice their faith?"

#47 Ben Hur

Oman's Katrina?

Bush's fault

/

What?

No poll showing what Jews believe?

I thought that nothing could be reported about Muslims without the obligatory comparison.

If it was the government that did it, and if they are trying to pin it on the Muslims, then folks would be justified in committing more attacks. Really, that the government would even think to blame the attacks on Muslims shows that the British people deserved these attacks. So even if Muslim did do the 7/7 attack, they were right!

Wait, I've heard this reasoning before---9/11. It's amazing how "protect your own" thinking can beat out good sense.

making Moses the uncle of Jesus

Jesus Saves.
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Moses Invests.

No Sub...

I saw that sign over the weekend while I was driving to golf on Staten Island...

I was not very curious but I would not be shocked if it is linked to that Mosque in Bay Ridge where the terrorists all seem to get some last minute 'trainig'.

I love how Time pursues ground breaking investigative reports like this one on 10 year old bull fighters in Mexico. You'd think they'd be able to spend a few minutes on 12 year old head choppers in Afghanistan....

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1 627027,00.html?cnn=yes

#56 tokyobk

I think the main function of people on this site is to bring these should-be normal thoughts to our friends and family, particulalry on the left side of things.

I agree, I have a sister, who is a Palestinian supporter, Jew hater/moonbat leftist till death, I'm sure, although, the Master has performed many Miracles.

I pray for her nearly daily.

I do try and reach as many people as I can.

#60 Edward Halper

Wait, I've heard this reasoning before---9/11. It's amazing how "protect your own" thinking can beat out good sense.

The thing of real concern, is that the Islamofascist thinking, is right in line with the thinking of every leftist kook, including every leftist kook in America.

The leftist kooks, are in control of the Congress, and they have a reasonable chance at winning the WH in 2008.

If that does happen, this world, will take a huge, huge turn, for the worst.

Bucephalas

Or the abused Camel-jockey boy SLAVES throughout the Arab world.

I've actually seen some reports on this.

Wow, someone sure got zapped pretty quickly. I didn't even see the post.

Anyway, as others have noted, I'm sure there's a fair amount of overlap between the UK Muslims surveyed who celebrated 7/7 as a jihadist victory, and those who deny Muslims had anything to do with it. This is the same doublethink displayed by many Saudis regarding 9/11.

It's just business as usual in the muslim community. Instead of expressing outrage at the bombers and sympathy for the victims, they turn it around and attempt to make themselves out to be the real victims.

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Why US Middle East policy is hopelessly muddled,

U.S. Policy: Back to the Future
by Michael Rubin

Within the State Department, there was as much disdain for Bush's agenda. Just a year after Bush included Iran in the "Axis of Evil," Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage called the Islamic Republic a democracy in an interview with The Los Angeles Times.[12] One senior diplomat serving in Baghdad told his British colleagues that he thought Bush and his polices to be stupid. Bush subsequently nominated the man to be ambassador to an Arab country important both as a subject of democratization and as an ally in the war on terror.

While Rice spoke often of democracy while national security advisor, it was not difficult for her to abandon the policy upon her move to the State Department. The traditional foreign policy establishment disliked the Bush emphasis on democracy. Outreach to dissidents makes tenure in diplomatic postings difficult. Many diplomats seek to avoid rather than instigate tension between their embassy and host government. At its root, their attitudes touch upon a philosophical divide among foreign policy professionals: Should embassies represent the U.S. government to entire countries or just their governments? Those who believe the latter focus attention on relations with ruling regimes rather than upon opposition groups and civil society.

Rice's staffing reflected antipathy toward democratization. Her Policy Planning Director Stephen Krasner placed Suzanne Maloney, an Exxon Mobil official who had deferred an earlier employment offer because she preferred to work in a Kerry administration, in charge of the Iran portfolio. Maloney used her position to veto expenditure of much of the $75 million which the Congress allocated to support democracy in Iran. In an April 2007 interview against the backdrop of the Islamic Republic's seizure of 15 British hostages, her husband told an Iranian paper, "America also has to forget the hopeless policy of regime change, as well as the $75 million budget for the opponents of the Tehran government."

Where incompetence, conflicting agenda and Saudi money meet.

#64, #66 republic

I am right between a deleted post with my comments.

I haven't been that close, since joe(thetraitor)wilson, got the large banning stick.

That, is exciting!

one begins to wonder whether Musims believe any Muslims had anything to do with Islam.

#10 O.R

I typoed the "tit" part.

Yah..uh huh...sure ya did.

62 tfc3rid
Here's the link that appears on their billboard. They have other sites linked. Definitely worth checking out.

Did you notice the SWAT teams in the Union Square subway today?

#64 republic

I agree, I have a sister, who is a Palestinian supporter, Jew hater/moonbat leftist till death

OK-I'm scratching her off my Lizard Lunch list..LOL.

# 63 Buce

But you see, my friend, making a 10 year old Mexican boy fight a bull is cruel. The BULL might get hurt !

BUT ,,,, a 12 year old head chopper ,, ,well , he's a FREEDOM FIGHTER, an oppressed youth ,,,, someone just trying to free himself from the Zionist occupiers !

#50 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar

I think you have it right. There are videos of the bombers made by the bombers telling us what they will do and yet these people deny it all.

Medication won't help that kind of crazy.

The moonbat virus is spreading - its like the "Ebola" of the "Meme Generation"

Islamist mob hits church

No doubt if you ask the mob afterwards they'll tell you that Christians sacked their own church in order harm Muslims.

Notice how the media spasm about Lebanon was just long enough......

#73 Dkian_

one begins to wonder whether Musims believe any Muslims had anything to do with Islam.

I listened today, to a Muslim, over the road truck driver say that he was looking for the One God, and he became a born again Christian.

He said that the reason that he is an over the road truck driver, is because his family and friends have all but disowned him, because of his turn from Islam.

This, is in America.

He now has a room, in the Mansion.

#64, #66 republic
I am right between a deleted post with my comments.

I didn't advocate killing anyone I don't think I am clear about why I got my first deletion.

Medication won't help that kind of crazy.

I think it's just the way haters talk. It helped that the interviewer looks like she might be a Muslim - her subjects just slipped into the usual hate talk.

If you talk to Neo Nazis they'll tell you that the holocaust never happened, but that next time they'll kill all the Jews and N***ers. Hatred and logic don't mix.

Strange. ABCRADIO.

Not mentioning what party Jefferson is until the last sentence.

#77 Writer Mom

OK-I'm scratching her off my Lizard Lunch list..LOL.

Oh, how I wish I was near Toronto, I would so lve to meet some fellow Lizards.

I won't give up on my siter, until the end.

Then, if she's stil in that position, I will cry my eyes out.

I don't hate her, or any other leftists, I just despise their ideology.

The guy in a snooker hall suggested that the image of the 7/7 bombers together shows a man's body in front of railings but his legs behind them. I paused the video for a moment and saw his point, but on inspection what I had thought might be the suspect's legs turns out to be much more consistent with the edge of a wall in the background. Not that I found the suggestion credible, but I checked. What a lame accusation.

...and 40% of Brits agree?

#76 [deleted]

Huh? First time I've been deleted in over 12K comments. What's wrong with posting a news story?

Islamist mob hits church

JAKARTA: A crowd of Muslim hardliners stormed a church in Indonesia's West Java region during Sunday service, smashing images of Jesus and demanding the church be closed, the pastor said yesterday.

/the mosque part was sarcasm, meant to point out the differences in behavior between Christians and Muslims

#84 mrsoc

I didn't advocate killing anyone I don't think I am clear about why I got my first deletion.

I didn't get a chance to see it.

If any of my posts ever get deleted, I'll trust that Charles saw fit, and I would still contribute, and comment.

The other Lizards have helped me much in the past year, which I have over 5000 comments, and many have probably helped me not get banned.

I'll say this, though, there is nobody here, nobody, who is bigger than LGF, except Charles.

Like I said, I didn't get a chance to see what you had posted, but I'll add, that there have been hundreds of times, that I simply didn't post, because Something inside, said, "That's over the line".

When I hear that, I don't post.

We must separate ourselves from this cancer of civilization called Islam

Mass deportations. Start with the non-citizens. Then continue with the naturalized and US born or converted muslims. Declare Islam a threat to the very existance of the Republic and its Constitution (afterall, in Islam the only accepted law is the Sharia and muslims everywhere in the world are taught their first duty is to obey the Islamic law and only after that to obey the laws of the countries they live in - with the condition those laws aren't contradicting the Islamic laws).

Amend the Constitution, strip them all of citizenship, offer them the chance to become apostates and remain here in the civilized world or deport them if they refuse.
Make conversion and preaching Islam a crime punished either by life in prison or deportation. That would be a humaine measure when compared with the punishment for renouncing Islam in most islamic countries is death by decapitation.

There was a bomb in the UK?..when?

ha

#90 Killian Bundy

/the mosque part was sarcasm, meant to point out the differences in behavior between Christians and Muslims

And it was framed as a hypothetical question, not a call for action.

/oh well, first time for everything I guess

Over the line, schmover the line...

BTW...I'm surprised its only 60%...I guess it depends on the media news outlet that takes the poll though..

91 republic
Thanks I appreciate the input and I respect Charles' right to delete whatever he pleases. I just didn't understand why. I didn't advocate violence, only a boycott. Americans vote with their wallets all the time.
I must have phrased it wrong.
Sorry Charles.

#25 MrMom

What ever happened to the 1,051# pig three 11 year-old killed in Georgia?

It was a domestic hog, not a wild boar, and quite tame. Just damn big.

Charles, while you're in the deletin' mood, how about #92?

#97 Spiny Norman: From your link:

The monster hog gained worldwide acclaim after he was bagged by 11-year-old Jamison Stone, a Pickensville native, with a .50-caliber pistol on May 3 at the Lost Creek Plantation, LLC, a hunting preserve in Delta. The big boar was hunted inside a large, low-fence enclosure and fired upon 16 times by Stone, who struck the animal nearly a half-dozen times during the three-hour hunt.

Two comments:

1) That's quite a strong wrist for an 11 year old; and

2) The "hunt" was shockingly unsporting... and, indeed, rather f**ked up. I would definitely think twice about having my son shoot a domestic pig to death - slowly - in a fenced enclosure. Sheesh.

I've had 2 weather posts deleted, although I suspect font sizes larger than 30pt were what did it.

Gosh, turn away for a few, and posts are going south left, right and center. Y'all be talkin bad ?

100 Ed's Sock Puppet

Well, you know, those larger fonts take up more room. Charles has to be careful of how much memory is used up per post.

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#99 Occasional Reader
That's disgusting. I would hardly call that a hunt-more of a murder.

#98 Occasional Reader

Please correct me if I'm wrong: is my post advocating genocide or anything of that sort against muslims?
Deportation has nothing to do with murder of genocide. Tens of millions of Americans are asking for the deportation of undocumented immigrants who broke the law by illegaly crossing the border. Why shouldn't we ask for the deportation of those tho consider the Constitution and all the laws of the United States to be subservient to the laws of their false Prophet? (piss be upon him)

The islamics don't seem to be well grounded.

OT: And now for something totally different:
Paris Goes To Jail (or) "I'm Not Going"

#100 Ed...

I talked to June about 30 minutes ago, and Wylie was receiving heavy rain and pea-sized hail.

I don't know about deportation, but the preamble to the US Constitution says the Constitution was ordained and established to insure domestic tranquility. and islam hardly does that.

So you could make a case it's unconstitutional.

Wait a second, near the end of the video the good doctor compared the "plight" of Muslims in England to the treatment that the Jews received under Hitler. Apart from the gall it takes to equate mass murder to a group of citizens who enjoy the full rights and benefits of a liberal democracy, I think this man is treading on dangerous ground. I mean come on, admitting that the Jews were actually persecuted by Hitler? Saying this in a mosque? I'm surprised he wasn't stoned on the spot.

#103 mrsoc

That's disgusting. I would hardly call that a hunt-more of a murder.

Add cruelty too. The kid took three hours and like six shots to kill it.

/there were two adults with high powered rifles standing by "just in case" that could have put the hog out of its misery quickly, at any time during the ordeal

Re 108

And if it be unconstitutional,

What should we do?

#104 ElKafir

Why shouldn't we ask for the deportation of those tho consider the Constitution and all the laws of the United States to be subservient to the laws of their false Prophet?

A. You can't deport U.S. citizens.

B. It's not logistically possible.

/this subject has already been discussed to death here

#99 OR

As far as I'm concerned, that's practically poaching. I remember years ago an uproar about a canned hunt here in Texas at an exotic wildlife place where some guy "hunted" a black panther (IIRC), that was basically on a tether.

That is not hunting.

#104 ElKafir: Take it up with this site's owner. He has made it crystal clear on more than one occasion what he won't tolerate on this blog.

(And, by the way, yes, there's a big difference between deporting illegal aliens and deporting US citizens and legal residents.)

how come no joooooos were on the train? coincidence?

OT

I prefer this video.........

"Knut der kleine Eisbär"

The media's moral relativism feeds this kind of thing. The BBC, in particular, relentlessly spins the news against rationalism and democratic thought and then blames the evil stupidity they generate on "alienation" allegedly created by their own government! It's extremely disgusting. Here in the US, just look at the NY Times.

The media take no responsibility for the ongoing destruction of liberal democracy even though they are leading the charge against it.

Have you ever observed a court of law? The sheer denial of "truth" seen therein is the same as these beliefs. Known history is often prohibited; evidence is placed before those who are unequipped to comprehend it. Majority rules on the matter of right or wrong. And even if some sort of verdict is reached, there is not necessarily a consequence to follow. After a day in court, the logic of these folks seems quite unsurprising (although despicable) to me.

#107 Ward

But the question is ,, what size are your peas !?!?!?!

No. 104 came back. (in 112). But as my comment 108 referred to it, it should go too?

the preamble to the US Constitution says the Constitution was ordained and established to insure domestic tranquility. and islam hardly does that.

So you could make a case it's unconstitutional.

Oh, not this again.

Look, Skating With Celebrities doesn't ensure domestic tranquility, either. That doesn't make it unconstitutional.

Egyptian Police Find 1.5 Tons of Explosives in Sinai

(IsraelNN.com) The Egyptian police force uncovered a cache of 1.5 tons of explosives in the Sinai peninsula on Monday. The explosives were intended to reach Gaza.

The Egyptians found 40 bags of explosives in a mountainous region of the Sinai during a routine sweep

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

122 OR

Preamble: Also: "Blessings of liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"

Join islam, can't leave or they shoot you.

Hardly compatible with Liberty.

Over a certain percentage if islam here, the Constitution is moot.

I love this thinking: the only analytical requirement is that you can think of someone you don't like who had a reason to benefit in some way from some occurrence and - then, presto-chango - they did, no matter the countervailing evidence.

These are truly sophisticated minds.

So is it the effects of so many years' worth of banging one's head on the ground?

The Muslim victim status on parade.

If they don't like UK society, move back to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and any other Islamic paradise...come on, any takers?

I wonder how much of this Truther/conspiracy talk has really become just a conveniently adopted propaganda strategy? Next, I'll be hearing that all of it is "created chaos" from a secret world government.

I also wonder how many of this 60% felt sympathy for the "imagined" attackers?

Another survey said that 24% of UK Muslims supported the 7/7 bombings.

Which together with this survey means, I guess, that 84% of British Muslims are either psychotic supporters of terrorism, or deranged denialists/apologists/conspiracy nutters.

That leaves a figure of 16% who are normal. Still sounds a little on the high side.

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Italian FM says hopes to strengthen cooperation with Syria towards peace

Published: 06.05.07, 00:33 / Israel News

Italy's foreign minister said Monday his country hopes to strengthen cooperation with Syria to achieve peace in the Middle East.

During his two-day visit to Damascus, Massimo D'Alema will discuss the recent UN Security Council resolution to establish an international tribunal to prosecute suspects in the 2005 assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Man, what are you people saying that posts keep getting zapped?

I begin to wonder if Charles is watching in real time. Maybe he'll start editing our own posts as we type them!

Oh, and I CALL FOR THE DEPORTATION OF (you can't say that here, try again. -ed)

Damn.

"A new survey of British Muslims by Channel 4 shows that nearly 60% believe that Muslims were not responsible for the 7/7 London bombings"

And 100% of ME doesn't believe that the US and Israel are responsible for any and all Pali and Muslim misery. So there ,,, we're all EVEN !

#112 Killian Bundy 6/04/2007 2:27:13 pm PDT
A. You can't deport U.S. citizens.
B. It's not logistically possible.

What about internment or exile?

#118 FightingBack

What you need to do is read some general education sort of material on PROCEDURE and EVIDENCE. For instance, chapters in a text book or text books for high school or junior college or college level courses in a paralegal program.

There are reasons -- usually very good reasons -- why some information is not admissible. Or under what circumstances it can become admissible.

Our adversary system (lawyers on each side) does the best job of making evidence understandable to a jury. That's what the lawyer's job is.

Majority rules? How else would YOU arrive at the "truth"?

Consequences? Those are decided by the legislature, at the prompting of the electorate.

I'm sorry if you got a raw deal in court somewhere. But it's not the system's fault.

#125 Ojoe

Over a certain percentage if islam here, the Constitution is moot.

Yeah, well you might just want to check the latest census figures (maybe 1-2% of the U.S. population).

/Spanish will be our official language centuries before Sharia is the law of the land, so relax

135 TFK

An easy system run by visa stamps and passports.

Ojoe, the Preamble is a recitation of why we are establishing this Constitution, not an enforceable set of laws. This is Civics 101, dude.

To declare that everything that happens in the US must "ensure domestic tranquility" or "secure the blessings of liberty" in order to be constitutional, is to assume that the US Constitution establishes a corporatist state in which the citizen enjoys only limited, stipulated freedoms. In fact, it is supposed to do the opposite. The Constitution doesn't tell you what you can do.

#130 uptight 6/04/2007 2:38:56 pm PDT

Another survey said that 24% of UK Muslims supported the 7/7 bombings.

Which together with this survey means, I guess, that 84% of British Muslims are either psychotic supporters of terrorism, or deranged denialists/apologists/conspiracy nutters.

You do realize that the 24% who say they supported the 7/7 bombings are the same 24% who say that Muslims didn't commit 7/7.

Spanish is better.

#131,,, I prefer this

[Link: www2.eou.edu...]

The exact same attitudes exist for 9/11

#136 Le Trôle

What about internment or exile?

Both illegal.

/any other stupid strategies?

#133 Pawn of the Oppressor 6/04/2007 2:39:27 pm PDT

Man, what are you people saying that posts keep getting zapped?

I begin to wonder if Charles is watching in real time. Maybe he'll start editing our own posts as we type them!

Oh, and I CALL FOR THE DEPORTATION OF (you can't say that here, try again. -ed)

Damn.

That was pretty funny.

#131 Leftain't: From what I've heard, Taurus used to make slightly cheapy knockoff Berettas in the semiauto department, but have improved dramatically in quality in recent years and are now pretty good guns.

140 OR

Yes it does. Amendment X

There are reasons -- usually very good reasons -- why some information is not admissible.

True, but that said, If I Were the King of the Forest, I would abolish the rule against hearsay.

We in the U.S. are not far behind the British. Our followers of the religion of Peace as led by upstanding organizations like CAIR espouse the same tripe.

WHOA look at the time, gotta go, gotta pick up mah woman...

Play nice.

#131 LeftJustAintRight

Avoid Taurus like the plague. They have the krappiest customer service in the industry.
Besides running my own bussines, I also work part time in a gunstore and the stories I heard from Taurus customers in regards to the way Taurus reps are treating customers sending them guns for warranty repairs are horrible.
Get a Glock, a S&W, a Sig or if money permitting, a 1911 pattern semiauto.
If you need more details, join me in the lounge.

#148 Occasional Reader
Thanks Occasional I will look at them.
I do not know anything about Taurus and thought this would be the place to ask.
David

99% of the rest of the world knows it was perputrated by muslims. That not only makes the 60% a bunch of islamofascist morons, but the press that reports this propaganda willing accomplices.

Did anybody see "Saddam's Reign of Terror" last night? Is there any doubt that this guy needed to be taken out and that the situation in Iraq is not much more than abused wife syndrome?

I'm not surprised, but these Muslim deniers are an odd lot. Many of them - especially young men - want to kill infidels, yet they deny that such things happen, even when there is overwhelming evidence. They deny events were done by Muslims, then they turn around and celebrate the same events as Muslim victories.

I suspect they don't really think they were not Muslims. They know they were Muslims. They are expressing denial in public or to the kuffar to save face. This is as we know extremely common with Muslims (which greatly interferes with their ability to get things done and contributes to their stagnation).

Have we got a new poster registered as '[deleted]'. Got a fair bit to say for a newbie, eh?.

#48 Cosmo

...shipping the melted Underground cars out through Liverpool under cover of darkness, dumping them in the depths of the North Sea.

If you try to shift anything here 'under cover of darkness', I absolutely guarantee you that half the city will know about it by dawn.

#141 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar 6/04/2007 2:43:00 pm PDT

You do realize that the 24% who say they supported the 7/7 bombings are the same 24% who say that Muslims didn't commit 7/7.

Exactly. I wish they would do some better polling to expose the conspiracy opinion as actually masking one that's quite different.

So, if they are holding both views, then they would actually support the government's alleged role in bombing its own citizens? [rhetorical question, btw]

#158 Catttt

Well said, and probably 100% accurate...

Well, these are the same people who believe the holocaust didn't happen, and that if it did, it was planned by the Jews and Nazis together.

And these are the same people who believe that Israel repeatedly attacked all the surrounding nations repeatedly, in spite of being woefully outnumbered and outgunned.

And these are the same people who believe that the CIA and the Jews attacked the World Trade Center.

And, thanks to the recent disgusting BBC report, believe that Israel hijacked their own plane to Uganda a couple of decades ago.

North

#146 Killian Bundy 6/04/2007 2:44:23 pm PDT
#136 Le Trôle
What about internment or exile?

Both illegal.
/any other stupid strategies?

I'm not sure why you would consider these to be stupid strategies. Take these points into consideration:

Lincoln sought to preserve the Union. How is the secession of a state inherently different from a city or region that chooses to be disloyal to the nation? At what point does an enclave become an autonomous region?

Felons lose the privilege to vote and the right to own guns, both of which are guaranteed to citizens under the Constitution.

People are sawing heads off of other human beings, and we're talking about some kid shooting a pig?

"I feel so bad for that pig"?

I wish most people felt that kind of compassion for the hundreds who are being murdered by Islam on a daily basis, all over the world.

Sheesh!

People shoot pigs every day in this country, on farms, in pig houses, enclosed areas, no larger than a 10'x10' pig house, and most who enjoy bacon, enjoy bacon, and don't worry about the pig, myself included.

If the kid shot the pig on a canned hunt, then so be it, it's his loss, at "prestige", not anyone elses.

I never thought I'd see the day, that some kid who shot a pig, regardless of where, would take precidence, over the evils that affect mankind on a daily basis.

/rant off

The street seen was pitiful. Looked worse than anything in the orient. The Brits have turned their country to a Islamic slum.

Another survey said that 74.3% of UK Muslims secretly enjoy gefilte fish.

Oh and by the way:
Why is deportation soooooooo unfeasible?

I suspect they don't really think they were not Muslims. They know they were Muslims. They are expressing denial in public or to the kuffar to save face.

Right, but the as Morpheus might have said, "the hole goes deeper than that".

They will also deny it to other Muslims who seem to disapprove of violence. Islam can not be criticized. The prophet can not be shamed. And denial is the easiest defense.

They will also deny it to themselves in order to maintain a pious hatred and to remain on the right side...

And there's the crux. Believing Muslims understand that if they ever side in favor of infidels then they will be "denied God's blessing", that's an offense you go to hell for. And that's the only thing that matters. Truth is nothing to them. But they have to hate the infidel and side against us in every battle if they are going to go to heaven

Collective insanity. Mass delusion. Denial.
Projection. Paranoia. Cognitive dissonance.
The Umma has it all...

#150 Occasional Reader

True, but that said, If I Were the King of the Forest, I would abolish the rule against hearsay

The rule against hearsay protects you from someone claiming you said something incriminating when you are not able to cross examine them and/or refute it yourself.

the Constitution has serious flaws anyway, it's time to toss it out and start fresh

# 162 North 95

And don't forget, we have Live Martians hidden in a lab at Area 51

President Kennedy was killed by Lyndon Johnson et al

President Kennedy is also still alive. Well, actually, his head is stil;l alive and being kept in an underground bunker below the Pentagon

#165 Pat

The Brits have turned their country to a Islamic slum.

Not to put too fine a point on it but, seriously, what the hell would you know?

I tell you what..... Why don't you tell us all what your vision of an 'Islamic slum' is and then explain what leads you to believe that the entire land mass of Britain looks like that.

Don't rush. Take your time. I'm sure it will be good.

OT, but speaking of polls: Shock poll: Bush’s support on immigration crumbles among Republicans

I wonder if this will make the least bit of difference to the President. He just does not understand.

#163 Le Trôle

I'm not sure why you would consider these to be stupid strategies.

Because . . .

A. They're illegal and/or unconstitutional

B. They're not logistically possible

Again, this subject has been discussed to death here and your proposals are nothing more than fantasy.

/if you would actually think through what would be involved, if it wasn't illegal/unconstitutional, you'd realize that

Mauritania Islamists Claim Torture

It all has a familiar ring to it.

Fellow defence lawyer Abdallahi Ould Dah said statements made by the accused had been extracted under torture.

MBaye said the defence team would lodge a legal complaint against those responsible for torturing her clients.

"Since September 2001 Muslim communities have been hounded and considered as responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center towers," she said.

#172 sattv4u2

And don't forget, we have Live Martians hidden in a lab at Area 51

That's incorrect.

/everybody knows that Dulce, New Mexico is where the action is, as per the Grenada Treaty

Glad to know that Charles is not as extreme as Hugh Fitzgerald. Seriously, there are moral and ethical issues regarding interning or kicking out a whole community out of the US. The Benes decree pipe dream that some retards (including the ever-so eloquent Hugh Fitzgerald) have is just that, a pipe dream.

#152 tfk

Ningún niño se fue detrás

/babelfish translation of no child left behind

We should NOT be surprised.
This is what they are TAUGHT.

/We should shoot a few school teachers.
//OK thats SARC
/// But we must reform education and end multiculturalism before it ends us.

Finally they're being honest about things...It'll be remembered...

163 Le Trôle

With both of your points, you are comparing apples and oranges.

The constitution grants right of due process. Exile? U.S. citizens can't be deported. Internment? Illegal. U.S. citizens and bone fide resident aliens cannot be rounded up and incarcerated without due process of law on an individual basis.

Your two points have nothing to do with due process issues. The constitution grants that suffrage cannot be denied on account of race, previous condition of servitude, sex, etc. It does NOT say felons cannot be denied suffrage. Also, this is a states issue, and the majority of states do NOT deny all felons suffrage. Re gun ownership, again, that is a states' rights issue.

Never in my life have I seen a group of people, and I mean "the Ummah," more willing to believe in any possible conspiracy theory that comes down the pipe. I bet the imams could get them to believe that the joooos were to blame for the extinction of the dinosaurs.

#175 Killian Bundy

I haven't read the specific posts here, but IN GENERAL.....

-- anything can become legal if laws are passed (or struck down) making it so,

-- anything can become constitutional with an amendment to the constitution,

-- logistical difficulty, indeed impossibility, only depends on how much you want to DO something.

I am not hereby advocating mass deportations (if that is the topic), I'm just saying that nothing's impossible, and looking back from the END of this century, we might all be very surprised at what happens.

Dial 1-800-WHAAAAAAAAAAAHabi.

These people are worthless

#18 NoSubmission
I stole that, hope you don't mind.

90 Killian H8ter

#163 Le Trôle
I'm not sure why you would consider these to be stupid strategies.

Because . . .

A. They're illegal and/or unconstitutional

B. They're not logistically possible

Again, this subject has been discussed to death here and your proposals are nothing more than fantasy.

/if you would actually think through what would be involved, if it wasn't illegal/unconstitutional, you'd realize that

How about for everyone of us that their country takes, we'll take one of theirs. For every church that we build in their country, they can build a mosque here. For every women they hire in the workplace there, we hire one here. That should make immigration from those countries come to a standstill

#184 Areopagitica

Dude...EVERYBODY knows the jooos killed the dinosaurs

/truther version 2.0

#185 nonic

I'm just saying that nothing's impossible, and looking back from the END of this century, we might all be very surprised at what happens.

Sure, anything's possible. And pigs might really fly someday.

/chance of any of that happening without a total breakdown of national civil order and our political/societal structure, about zero

Good ol' muslim cognitive disonance. I love it how they can praise 'The Fab Four' for killing the kaffirs and blame the evil zionist-crusaders for the bombing at the same time. You know, where 9/11 is a great Muslim victory AND coverup job by Mossad.
So bloody stupid.

#175 Killian Bundy 6/04/2007 3:06:49 pm PDT
#163 Le Trôle
I'm not sure why you would consider these to be stupid strategies.

Because . . .
A. They're illegal and/or unconstitutional
B. They're not logistically possible
Again, this subject has been discussed to death here and your proposals are nothing more than fantasy.
/if you would actually think through what would be involved, if it wasn't illegal/unconstitutional, you'd realize that

I always appreciate a debating style that depends mainly on handwaving and dismissal by previous discussion. It dispenses with the need to actually explain a position.

That being said:
If voting and gun ownership are guaranteed by the Constitution, yet can be suspended dependant upon personal acts,

If preservation of the Union is paramount, even war being waged to enforce national sovereignty,

If the Constitution names sedition as a punishable act,

If Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness can be trumped by national need, such as a draft, or even a local need, such as being sequestered for jury service,

If curfews can be set, and evacuation forced in a disaster area,

How can you say that internment is not constitutional?

#190 tank22

How about for everyone of us that their country takes, we'll take one of theirs. For every church that we build in their country, they can build a mosque here. For every women they hire in the workplace there, we hire one here. That should make immigration from those countries come to a standstill

Do you really think that's a practical solution?

/tell you what, run it by your Congressional representatives and see what they think

This is nice, but maybe we can get Britain and France and a few other countries to join:

MADRID, June 4, 2007 (AFP) - Spain will summon Iran's ambassador to condemn the "unacceptable" anti-Israeli outburst made by Iran's president over the weekend, Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos said Monday.

"It is unacceptable that a president of the international community would pronounce those words," he told public Radio Nacional de Espana.

"I have asked our political director to summon the Iranian ambassador to express our total and absolute rejection of these statements," he added.

[Link: www.iranfocus.com...]

Yahooey Ackbar! CAIR North America has just been named an ' unindicted co-conspirator ' by the feds! Let's hope that unindicted status changes soon.

I'd love to hear A wad's take on this one, and I doubt it will be a long wait, as their rapid jihad response team shifts into gear.

#195 Le Trôle

How can you say that internment is not constitutional?

Because the [expletive deleted] Supreme Court says so.

/good enough?

Nonsense.

They don't really believe that at all.

They all know that 'War is Deceit' and that terror is part and parcel of Islam in order to make the world Islamic. That's why the London suicide bombers are 'martyrs' and got huge funerals in Pakistan. Even the Bosnian mall-shooter who killed 5 people got a huge funeral in Bosnia. 'Strike fear in the hearts of the infidels'- it all comes straight from the Koran. Muslims believe that with each act of terror they win more converts.

To lie and deny is also part of this strategy. Its called 'kitman & taqiyya'- learn to understand how they operate and never accept what they say, but always look at what they do...

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

#195 Le Trôle
Please stop.

Asking for help here, Lizards near Kansas City please check this link.

#192 Killian

Sure, anything's possible. And pigs might really fly someday.

/chance of any of that happening without a total breakdown of national civil order and our political/societal structure, about zero

Prohibition? Repeal of Prohibition? End of slavery? Civil rights for blacks? Voting rights for women? Decriminalization of abortion?

Ever hear of those? A lot of people thought those were impossible, too.

I think it's going to depend on what islam pushes us to -- in this country and throughout the West.

(Actually, I don't think pigs will ever really be able to fly, though.)

Islam is the religion of denial

here's a Koran search for the word "lie"
[Link: quod.lib.umich.edu...]

Republic, that's not fair. I love my dogs. I love my pigs (I have 2). I love my goats. I love my son. I love my husband. They are all different planes of love and all can co-exist happily. There is plenty to go around. I can feel ill over the misogyny of the islamic cultures. I can feel ill over child abuse anywhere. And I can feel ill over the abuse of a very intelligent creature, this pig, who had the misfortune to stumble on a little brute of a child and the adults who did not teach him any better. One does not take away from the other and there is plenty to go around.

Hope this post it's going to turn into another transatlantic tiff, just waiting for a Harold Shand rant !

Seriously though, the comments from the muslims does puts

202
I saw that story earlier
It doesn't look good
atm card missing?
whoever took her will most likely force her to withdraw as much money as possible, then if she's very lucky they'll let her go

I notice the town is close to two interstate highways
doesn't look good
she could be anywhere
the only hope is if the cops can trace the withdrawal locations, and if her abductors are dumb enough to use the cell phone

unfortunately, she is also very pretty

I'm seriously beginning to think their brains are wired up differently to everybody else's.

This would explain why so many of them are unable to grasp facts. It would also explain why their culture has stagnated for 1400 years, and why they can happily kill and maim in the name of Islam while maintaining it is a religion of peace.

OT-

Is anyone else having problems loading/refreshing LGF tonight, or is it just me?

#171 Durendal

the Constitution has serious flaws anyway, it's time to toss it out and start fresh

And those flaws are?

205 mollyshark The boy's father was told it was a wild hog. Wild hogs are vicious and can easily kill humans.

If they knew it was a tame pet, they wouldn't have paid good money to the hunting plantation to hunt it. The fact that they took 2-3 hours to take it down shows that they tracked it carefully as one would deal with something very dangerous, not something tame.

Also, shouldn't you be more angry at the losers who sold their supposedly beloved pet to a HUNTING PLANTATION?

I don't hunt. My family doesn't hunt. We live in the South, however, and the private hunting plantations are just part of life down here. They don't put animals in little pens like a corral and just shoot at them.

#209
Yeah, I have a normally fast cable connection and the lizard line is crawlin' tonight.

#202,
Saying a prayer for her, maybe she will be one of the miracles.
I'm sure this is unnecessary info for most here, but just in case, if you are ever ordered to get in a car at gunpoint, DO NOT. Your odds of escaping with a bullet wound or two yet still alive are far higher than the zero odds if you get in that car.

#183 Catttt 6/04/2007 3:23:57 pm PDT
163 Le Trôle
With both of your points, you are comparing apples and oranges.
The constitution grants right

This where I stopped reading, dear. If you think the constitution *grants* rights, perhaps you need to take an Englishman's advice and go read a little Jefferson or Paine.

We have the same rights, the only thing your Constitution does is enumerate them.

That being said, there is nothing magical about citizenship. Just as a nation may make provisions to accept foreigners if the swear allegience, there is no moral argument to prevent the expulsion of those, even if they are natual born, who do not and will consider themselves citizens of the land where they live.

#209 Odinist

Same problem here..

Paranoia is always the result of a totalitarian mindset.

The survival of this nation, this constitution, this culture, is paramount. In order to do this, sometimes, rarely, the constitution has been bent, or stuffed into our back pocket and ignored. For a short time, for a compelling reason, for survival. I wish this wasn't true, but it is. Some things must be dealt with harshly.

Islam is going to be one of those things. Even a great assimilation machine such as us will eventually run into something that won't be swallowed, can't be digested.

Our actions will be dictated by facts, not wishes, dreams, or illusions. Or we won't survive.

#205 mollyshark

Republic, that's not fair. I love my dogs. I love my pigs (I have 2). I love my goats. I love my son. I love my husband. They are all different planes of love and all can co-exist happily. There is plenty to go around. I can feel ill over the misogyny of the islamic cultures. I can feel ill over child abuse anywhere. And I can feel ill over the abuse of a very intelligent creature, this pig, who had the misfortune to stumble on a little brute of a child and the adults who did not teach him any better. One does not take away from the other and there is plenty to go around.

I have 17 cats, and they are taken care of better than any cats in the entire world, hands down, I have hunted for well over 30 years, I have never killed an animal that I didn't eat, I feel very bad when I even run over a squirrel, I have eaten beef and pork, and such all of my life, even taken part in the slaughter of farm animals, for the purpose of filling the freezer with wonderful meat.

I have never, and will never, put animals on the same plane as humans, ever!

I have never mistreated an animal, but I will never, ever put an animal on the same plane as a human.

Of ironic note, I have read, and seen many stories over the past 30 or so years, of hunters shooting record book animals, which means absolutely nothing to me.

These people, most of whom, have spent countles hours, countles money, to hunt these animals, and upon harvesting such animals, in less than a day, in every case, the rumors started flying, about how the animal was taken illegaly, or unethically, etc.

I know of one instance, out of thousands, where the person actually rigged the whole deal, and that person paid dearly for it.

I don't yet know the truth about this issue of the large pig, but like I said before, people eat bacon, and love it, and don't think a thing about it, and that is from animals that lived their lives in a 10'x10' fenced area.

I'm just saying, when people make a bigger fuss about a pig being killed, over the humans that are being killed, well, that is just wrong, and that is not just my opinion.

#195 Le Trole

How can you say that internment is not constitutional?

The U.S. Supreme Court did NOT find the internment of Japanese during WWII to be unconstitutional. They UPHELD the federal government's right to do so.

Korematsu v. United States, 323 U.S. 214 (1944)

And that precedent still stands.

#209 Odinist

Same here. Had to sign-in twice.

does anyone think Britiania will be around (as it is today) in 100 years?

Or are we seeing the end (and I mean END) of the Brits as we have known them for so many years?

216
Well said.

#207 Friar

There's a massive search going on right now, there are about 200 people sweeping the area. It's a big mall complex, with some parks nearby however you are right about the easy access to Hiway 35, Highway 69, and the 435 Beltway

Can't US citizens be stripped of their citizenship?

A new survey of British Muslims by Channel 4 shows that nearly 60% believe that Muslims were not responsible for the 7/7 London bombings

The same survey illustrates that nearly 60% of British Muslims are void of intellect.

#221

I think you just answered my question.

#199 Killian Bundy

#195 Le Trôle
How can you say that internment is not constitutional?

Because the [expletive deleted] Supreme Court says so.

/good enough?

I believe you are wrong on this. Do you have a U.S. Supreme Court citation overturning Korematsu?

Killian

You can find a lot of lay opinion on the web decrying the supposed "racisim" or alleged "violation of civil rights" of Korematsu. And you can even find statements of "shame" and "apology" by Congress persons to Mr. Korematsu himself and Japanese-Americans in general.

But none of that overturns the decision.

#218 nonic 6/04/2007 4:00:21 pm PDT
#195 Le Trole
How can you say that internment is not constitutional?
The U.S. Supreme Court did NOT find the internment of Japanese during WWII to be unconstitutional. They UPHELD the federal government's right to do so.
Korematsu v. United States, 323 U.S. 214 (1944)
And that precedent still stands.

Darn it, you stole my thunder. I expected a few more bleats of "b-b-but it's not constitutional" before bringing that out.

It is indeed refreshing to see someone who actually understands the Constitution to be a bit more than a license to undermine the nation using its own principles against it.

It's been said that tolerance is virtue of the man without convictions. The is no honour in tolerating those who would overthrow the very sytem that allows them the freedom to do so.

#218 nonic

Pretty funny coming from the troll from the UK, which has no Constitution.

#229 nonic

You can find a lot of lay opinion on the web decrying the supposed "racisim" or alleged "violation of civil rights" of Korematsu. And you can even find statements of "shame" and "apology" by Congress persons to Mr. Korematsu himself and Japanese-Americans in general.

But none of that overturns the decision.

The Korematsu decision has not been explicitly overturned.

You're correct now that I think about it. It hasn't been directly challenged because the Government hasn't tried to intern anyone since WWII. I haven't read or Shepardized the case in quite a while, but I do know that it's been chipped at on the edges over the years. If the Government tries to intern people again, which they won't, there's no way Korematsu will hold up as good precedent.

/remember, we ended up paying reparations the last time

#230 Le Trôle I expected a few more bleats of "b-b-but it's not constitutional" before bringing that out.

I wouldn't hang your hat on Korematsu.

/it won't survive the next round, that'll never happen anyway

#233 Killian Bundy 6/04/2007 4:57:16 pm PDT
#230 Le Trôle I expected a few more bleats of "b-b-but it's not constitutional" before bringing that out.
I wouldn't hang your hat on Korematsu.
/it won't survive the next round, that'll never happen anyway

It's constitutional. Deal with it.

Now don't you feel like a complete arse with your buffoonish hand-waving? You were wrong.

More importantly, never say never, because never is a long time.

Oi, let's give them a state borough!

Could they round up muslims in the UK for internment?

Isn't the thread about muslims in the UK?

Why the argument about what could be done here in the US?

#234 Le Trôle

Now don't you feel like a complete arse with your buffoonish hand-waving? You were wrong.

Not at all because I've actually studied the case and the aftermath. It's been diluted over the years and is very weak precedent today.

/the only reason it hasn't been overturned outright is because it can't be directly challenged until the Government tries to intern people again

Epilogue:

#232 Killian Bundy 6/04/2007 4:53:47 pm PDT
You're correct now that I think about it. It hasn't been directly challenged because the Government hasn't tried to intern anyone since WWII.

No sir, you're not recalling a given set of facts:
YOU HAVE JUST BEEN EDJUMACATED.

#199 Killian Bundy 6/04/2007 3:39:53 pm PDT

#195 Le Trôle

How can you say that internment is not constitutional?

Because the [expletive deleted] Supreme Court says so.

/good enough?

Not good enough and factually incorrect (Wiki article, but it's pretty good on this one.)

Given the subversion by the moonbats of effective counter-intelligence in the US and abroad, it's almost a certainty that we will see a HUGE attack (WMD or something like the planned JFK attack) in the US in the not too distant future. Granted, some of the guys on the ground have been doing their job under GW. I don't believe we have stopped a bunch of terrorist attacks through sheer luck. However, sooner or later our hobbled intel will fail or a Democrap will get in the White House and we will see our intel totally gutted. At that point, we will see tens of thousands of dead Americans, if not more, thanks to some group of Islamofacists. Shortly thereafter, we WILL see internment of Muslims. I'm not saying that's a good thing or something I want to see, but that IS where we are headed. And I don't see much hope for altering the course we are on. (Except maybe, just maybe, a Thompson/Guliani or Thompson/Gingrich win in '08, but that may be wishful thinking.)

#232 Killian Bundy 6/04/2007 4:53:47 pm PDT

If the Government tries to intern people again, which they won't, there's no way Korematsu will hold up as good precedent.

Respectfully disagree. We haven't seen the case challenged because we have not seen a similar overt threat to our existence since WWII. Therefore, we have not seen such a law again, and if we had, it would not have survived strict scrutiny.

However, if we see a similar threat or worse -- think a WMD going off in NYC, Washington, LA, Chicago, or any other major American city -- we WILL see internment again and it WILL withstand strict scrutiny.

/remember, we ended up paying reparations the last time

Yup, and we will pay reparations again, after the threat has been eliminated...

#237 Killian Bundy 6/04/2007 5:15:32 pm PDT
/the only reason it hasn't been overturned outright is because it can't be directly challenged until the Government tries to intern people again

Of course, we can depend upon goons like you to overturn such reasonable interpretations of the constitution. I offer you the opportunity to declare otherwise.

And save the slashies for digg and fark. You may as well end a post with a smiley.

#17 Just_A_Grunt

Absolutely no evidence exists that Muslims are involved in any sort of acts of violence.
Except newspaper stories going back to the 1970's.

The stories of Islamic violence go back to the 7th century and Mohammed. If they had newspapers back then the violence would be the same, the tools used to kill would be the only things that change.

#242 Steve Young 6/04/2007 5:23:10 pm PDT

If they had newspapers back then the violence would be the same, the tools used to kill would be the only things that change.

Well, they've certainly added tools such as suicide bombers. But they still seem to revel in the 7th century brutality of cutting people's heads off...

#238 Le Trôle

YOU HAVE JUST BEEN EDJUMACATED.

Yeah, like you have any idea what your talking about.

/why don't you just go Shepardize Korematsu and see how high and mighty it still is

#244 Killian Bundy 6/04/2007 5:38:46 pm PDT
#238 Le Trôle
YOU HAVE JUST BEEN EDJUMACATED.

Yeah, like you have any idea what your talking about.

/why don't you just go Shepardize Korematsu and see how high and mighty it still is

Big hint, Killian Bundy,
Your foolish, yet sanctimonious dismissal is not effective. Go bark at the moon.

And learn ye some constitutional law before ye decide once again to pontificate.

#220

does anyone think Britiania will be around (as it is today) in 100 years?
Or are we seeing the end (and I mean END) of the Brits as we have known them for so many years?

Unfortunately, England as we THINK of it (and as I remember it) ceased to exist at the beginning of the 60's and by 1968 the incessant flood of uneducated, diseased, NON-PRODUCTIVE Pakistani's, West Indians, Indians and the rest (sorry for the non-pc) put an end to the English way of life as seen on PBS in the popular 70's era "Britcoms".

I believe a large majority of the generation (my parents generation) that fought Hitler, came out of that experience so traumatized that they would've given up EVERYTHING (which is what they did eventually) to avoid fighting for anything. (My Mother and many of her peers, blamed Churchill every bit as much as Hitler for the war) MY peers continued the BLAME ENGLAND FIRST mantra, and so on and on...fortunately I listened to and took the advice of Enoch Powell and got the hell out of there by 1970.

From what I hear from relatives, I believe that the average Englishman has absolutely no idea what islam represents, what sharia law really is and how much their lives are about to change (it'll happen much sooner than 100 years too, try 10). To the average English working man, someone who speaks the "Queen's English" with an Oxford accent is to be despised much more than the butchers of islam.

Is there ANY chance of survival of the English way of life? Well, in England today, the flag of the Cross of St. George is considered an insult to the muslims and is only ever seen at World Cup Soccer matches! I was raised WITH ABSOLUTELY NO PATRIOTISM TOWARD MY COUNTRY and I can only imagine how much less patriotic todays English kids are.

#231 NY Nana 6/04/2007 4:49:12 pm PDT
#218 nonic
Pretty funny coming from the troll from the UK, which has no Constitution.

No dear, the funny part is where a so-called teoll fro the uk (my surname is Le Trôle) can more perfectly express the beauty of the American Experiment than the hicks and briar-hoppers who take for granted their condition, who foolishly assume freedom and liberty to be the default state of man.

#245 Le Trôle

And learn ye some constitutional law before ye decide once again to pontificate.

Already did.

/are you a lawyer?

Alcholic Disclaimer:
The last post was produced under the influence of quality gin, namely Gordon's. None of that foul Bombay Sapphire for us.

#249 Le Trôle 6/04/2007 5:55:27 pm PDT

Alcholic Disclaimer:
The last post was produced under the influence of quality gin, namely Gordon's. None of that foul Bombay Sapphire for us.

Gordon's is good stuff, but let's not diss that Bombay. Not bad if it's what's handy, and definitely better than Tanquray (sp? don't care -- yeuch).

#231 NY Nana

I'm not sure who the "troll" is supposed to be........ but...... I believe the British DO have a constitution, in practie -- it's just not written down in one document like the U.S. Constitution.

#248 Killian Bundy 6/04/2007 5:54:07 pm PDT
#245 Le Trôle
And learn ye some constitutional law before ye decide once again to pontificate.
Already did.
/are you a lawyer?

Are you the atypical buffoon who assumes the greatness of his nation is somehow normal, and not the result of God's blessing for five centuries?

I am not a lawyer, what a quaint term. Sort of like calling a author a 'word writer'.

I am merely moderately edjumacted, that is to say, I hads me some schooling, where I learned me some stuff.

Yikes, I sound like taxfreekiller when I'm good and drunk.

#248 Killian Bundy 6/04/2007 5:54:07 pm PDT

/are you a lawyer?

To ANYONE thinking of answering that question, DON'T! Otherwise, some troll or yahoo will take something you say offhand as legal advice, act on it, and then sue you for malpractice when things go south. Whether or not you got paid is irrelevant, as is whether or not you meant your statements to be relied upon.

Also, some of our discussions hit on some pretty hot topics PC-wise. If you admit to being a lawyer and someone tracks you down, you could get into deep dripe for having expressed your un-PC opinion.

No, I'm not a lawyer. I am NOT giving legal advice, but rather real world advice. Have seen friends who are lawyers deal with this type of garbage, though.

#250 MoonbatBane 6/04/2007 6:01:57 pm PDT
Gordon's is good stuff, but let's not diss that Bombay. Not bad if it's what's handy, and definitely better than Tanquray (sp? don't care -- yeuch).

Bombay will do, but only a last resort. It tastes like someone pissed in a bowl of potpourri. (pronounced 'pot porry')

#251
#246 Wurzle Gummage
Now there's a name I haven't seen in 40-plus years.
How's Saucy Nancy these days?

LOL - O she be fine! Thanks for asking.

I view the Islamic world as if it was a gigantic collective OJ jury: There is barely any reasoning with it, logical arguments or discussions are largely a waste of time, and it thrives on pure emotionalism and uneducated hearsay from sidewalk barbers and worse.

Blend in a heaping helping of idiotic religious gobbledygook, and you guarantee failure by any measure for that 20% of the world's population.

The majority of Muslims are simply primitives, and need to be treated as such. The trouble is that they probably wouldn't even notice the difference.

#254 MoonbatBane 6/04/2007 6:08:01 pm PDT
#248 Killian Bundy 6/04/2007 5:54:07 pm PDT
/are you a lawyer?
To ANYONE thinking of answering that question, DON'T! Otherwise, some troll or yahoo will take something you say offhand as legal advice, act on it, and then sue you for malpractice when things go south. Whether or not you got paid is irrelevant, as is whether or not you meant your statements to be relied upon.

No dear, I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. You may safely take my opinion for what it is, the un-attributed opinion of an anonymous internet poster. But be advised that I have never lost a case before the highest court in the land.

Ok -- so approx. 60 percent of British Muslims believe that 7/7 was a conspiracy. What i'd like to know is -- how many non-Muslim Brits believe the same thing?

I recall reading (in our local Canadian paper) immediately after 7/7 -- in "Letters to the Editor" -- the claims by individuals that it was all a conspiracy -- the suicide bombers weren't really Muslims, it was all a crock done by the Blair government. These "letters to the editor" were written by people with anglo-sounding names.

The CBC also (after 9/11) provided links to Thierry Meyssan’s book (that's the Fwench "intellect" who claimed it was all a plot by the Bush govt); the CBC also featured a program in praise of conspiracy theories. So, the loons/moonbats are many, many, many -- not just Muslims, but all their fellow, cheer-leading supporters...(aka the CBC/BBC media folk, etc.)

#259 buzzsawmonkey 6/04/2007 6:25:08 pm PDT
#258 Le Trole
But be advised that I have never lost a case before the highest court in the land.
Have you ever lost one at the airport carousel?

Several times.

Often, the same one, repeatedly.

Wink wink, nod nod.

#246 Wurzle Gummage 6/04/2007 5:48:18 pm PDT
Unfortunately, England as we THINK of it (and as I remember it) ceased to exist at the beginning of the 60's and by 1968 the incessant flood of uneducated, diseased, NON-PRODUCTIVE Pakistani's, West Indians, Indians and the rest (sorry for the non-pc) put an end to the English way of life as seen on PBS in the popular 70's era "Britcoms".

England ceased in 1978. Thank Johnny Rotten and the perverse cheering squad provided by The Sun.

Why would you blame the foreign influences, when we always had the wherewithal to destroy ourselves?

You give too much credit to the duskey heathen.

#233 Killian
#234 Le Trole

I think trying to make predictions about what will happen in terms of constitutional law (e.g., "internment can never happend again") in the coming decades is pointless.

It's going to depend on how far and how hard the islamists push us.

Will there be a major attack from the outside? Will there be lots of small attacks from the inside?

Will there be "peaceful" political encroachments little by little that raise alarm among the native populace?

Will we witness civil war in Europe?

There's no history to go by. All of this is new, and we're going to have to make new paths as we find our way along.

#262 Le Trole
Why would you blame the foreign influences, when we always had the wherewithal to destroy ourselves?
You give too much credit to the duskey heathen.

You have a point, certainly, but the reality for me was when, in 1967, having just moved into my first house, in a (at that time) very nice neighborhood in Birmingham with my then family, we were awakened late one night to the sounds of a gang of West Indians drinking and gang-banging some female "duskey heathen" commonplace nowadays maybe, but earth shattering to us...

I will be forever grateful to Enoch and his 1968 speech.

LOL. A homeopathic doctor. Sure, I'm totally convinced now.

deductive reasoning : trutherism :: medicine : homeopathic medicine

Again, inconsistency, incongruency, insanity.
The bombers should be regarded as martyrs but then again they didn't do it? Sure, whatever. I just can't keep track of the lies any more.

4 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey 6/04/2007 1:14:00 pm PDT

Conspiracy theories are history for the very stupid.

I second that thought!

OF COURSE THE BRITS BLEW UP THEIR OWN BUSES! Only a retard would believe a mad Brazilian was responsible (remember they shot the wrong guy?)

It's all in print, right here:

[Link: epluribusreluctor.blogspot.com...]

...under "Blair Knew"

213 Le Trôle

Don't call me dear. I'm not your dear.

/Hssssssssssssss

Catttt
lol

What a "co-inky-dink"!

I believe 100% that there is no Muslim god called "Allah" and that Muhammed was a murderous, child-molesting liar.

They should have polled me first...

~ENT

I'm surprised at the fuss surrounding this. You point a camera at Muslims and ask them about 7/7. You conduct a survey about Mulims and ask about 7/7.

What possible outcome other than conspirobatics, seethe-o-matics, Taqiyya, obfuscation and denial was there ever going to be?

Far more telling (and far more interesting and impactful television and survey results) would have been achieved by putting the same questions to us long-suffering natives.

Now that would have been worth watching on YouTube.

#97 spiny
I know this is a little late, but thanks!

Where is Rosie on this one?

Logical thinking, like carpentry, is something which must be learned. It does not come built-in to homo sap sap.

"I think the Jews did 9/11" plus "All praise to Osama for doing 9/11" is nonsense. Yet Muslims cannot see it, because they have never, ever been taught logical thinking?

When was the last time a mullah (or a priest) asked you to THINK?