Aaargh.

I 2nd that :)

Wow. They'll be clinically obese by the time they get to trial.

Well, let's revert to the Geneva conventions until we figure this thing out.
Those fighting in civilian areas or out of uniform are shot.
We'll hold the rest of the prisoners until Ossama signs an unconditional surrender.

"The judges said they lacked jurisdiction under the strict definition of those eligible for trial by military tribunal

Wonderful. Just fucking wonderful.

The new and Improved GOP. Now en Español!

Briefly, an enemy combatant can be any enemy soldier. Such a combatant is unlawful if he has not comported with the laws of war — including belonging to a regular army, wearing a uniform, carrying weapons openly, and not targeting civilians.

They're f$$kin JIHADIs. They by definition don't play by your rules. Gawd so many idiots in positions of power.

Will someone please explain to me why we MUST extend American rights (such as free speech and trials and access to lawyers, something none of our captured soldiers recieve) to non-American citizen being held in Cuba?

Last time I checked, the US Constitution applies to American citizens and nobody else.

More ammuntion for the kkk™s.

#3 Killgore Trout

Sounds good to me!

Here is the White House's page in our new dominant laungauge

This is Congress's fault. They've jacked around for six friggin years and not established the format and rules for these new kinds of trials.
It'll get blamed on bush though.

The Islamic head choppers don't follow any rule, but we have to follow all the rules as though they're American citizens? Three of our soldiers who were kidnapped last month have been slaughtered. %&^%&^%&^*&*%$##$$

Both defendants had been declared "enemy combatants" during administrative hearings begun at Guantanamo in 2004. But the judge for Hamdan's case, Navy Capt. Keith Allred, said that definition was broad enough to include captives who supported the Taliban or al Qaeda without actually engaging in combat.

He said the Military Commissions Act adopted by the U.S. Congress in 2006 set more stringent rules and allowed only those designated as "unlawful enemy combatants" to face trial in the Guantanamo tribunals.

They can reclassify them.

This just pisses me off, this is what I wrote about it almost a year ago.

So things remain the same, just more cluster-fucked by bureaucracy and hand wringing ...

Can I go OT? Great...

St Paul paper has an article on a girls only prom. No not Lesbians...that would be Minneapolis. This is Somalian Muslim girls who want to have fun...not wearing garbage bags. They put on makeup. Dress in stylish clothes. Etc So they have a prom for girls only.

I actually sympathize with them and support what they are doing.

I can't find the story on the papers web site.

Moron sent a lawyer to a gunfight. Moron daid...

Remind me again why we take prisoners off the battlefield? We can't do a thing to them while in our custody since even giving them dirty looks sends the Bleeding Hearts into a tizzy and questioning them is statistically pointless since they either give us useless information or openly lie to us.

Well, let's just release them back into the wild, after some press releases that proclaim just how helpful they have been in "ratting out" fellow jihadis.

Canadian Omar Khadr had his charges dropped, he was accused of killing a American medic with a gernade.

Osama Bin Ladin attended his sister's wedding.

But I am sure alot of non-terrorist families can make that claim.

I found this a few columns back, and I think it's a case where the judge simply found that the government didn't bring a case in chief that complied to the letter with the recently passed Military Commissions Act.

Khadr had been classified as an "enemy combatant" by a military panel years earlier at Guantanamo Bay, but because he was not classified as an "alien unlawful enemy combatant," Army Col. Peter Brownback said he had no choice but to throw the case out.

"The charges are dismissed without prejudice," Brownback said as he adjourned the proceeding.

Because the case was dismissed without prejudice, the prosecutors will be able to bring the charges anew. I don't think it's nearly as bad as the media is making it out to be.

Shoddy lawyering somewhere along the line, but not a fatal problem.

More to the point, it suggests that this conflict has been overlawyered to the point where good lawyers can still screw up.

Since the decision to classify this guy was made before the Military Sentencing Act was passed, you can't blame the prosecutors, but you can blame Congress and the President for not noting the discrepancies in the status designations.

Not that it should matter - these guys will continue to be held and they'll eventually see their day in court. Congress and the prosecutors will figure a workaround.

We need a return to Judge Roy Bean - Justice and Cold Beer west of the Pecos:

"We're gonna give this man a fair trial, and then take him out and hang him..."

#22 mark roth:

Yes, but Congress and the President have decided that the Constitutional limitations and the normal conventions on war and law are no longer operative. They've gone out and created a new scheme, and within that scheme they've found a mess.

#16 Mark Roth
Even I got mentioned on that one. Some of those comments he pulled were as far back as 2003. Dude has time on his hands.

#21 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds 6/04/2007 6:53:48 pm PDT

Remind me again why we take prisoners off the battlefield?

We are Western.

We are built that way.

Today, a full colonal, ret. told me that the United States in crumbling from the inside out. I do agree with him. We can't save ourselves...I feel with are past the point of no return. It will go a very slow agonizing death for those of us that LOVE this once great country.

Possibly Rudy can save it. But I do doubt it. I really feel it.

I will not live to see my country in ruins...I would have died trying to save it. It's going to get to the point where we will have to be just like the islamists:

Matching their hate for us with the same hateful intensity.

God Bless the USA...We are living it's demise.

After a recent aquatic mishap by the Taliban, I found this while surfing around:

The Baptist practice of ensuring that all of their parishioners can swim is a good idea

-- Andrew Borntreger, U.S. Marine and Film Critic

We now return you to your regularly scheduled reality.

#30 SevoGuy
Prozac.

OT: But this bears watching, there will be a huge pro-palestine agitprop campaign this next week, starting tomorrow.

Protests to mark 40 years of Israeli occupation

JERUSALEM: Israeli and Palestinian peace groups are staging demonstrations this week to protest at 40 years of Israeli occupation following the 1967 war that changed the shape of the Middle East.

The events run from June 5 to June 10, marking the anniversary of the war which saw Israel capture east Jerusalem and the West Bank from Jordan, the Gaza Strip and the Sinai peninsula from Egypt and the Golan Heights from Syria in just six days. “The present suffering and bloodshed in Gaza and Sderot are a direct outcome of the policy of occupation, settlement and killing,” the peace groups said in a statement, referring to the southern Israeli town that has been reeling from militant rocket fire from Gaza. “Only the end of that policy and the signing of a just peace could put an end to violence and to the continuing injustice against the Palestinian people,” the statement said.

Amnesty International issued a report on Monday to mark the anniversary, charging that Israel plunged the Palestinians into unprecedented levels of poverty and despair through 40 years of occupation but failed to ensure its own security.

While acknowledging Israel’s “legitimate security concerns,” the London-based human rights group said it could not justify building its vast separation barrier in the West Bank and condemned its settlement policies. But Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres dismissed the criticism, saying Palestinian suicide bombers were to blame for the controversial structure. afp

#25 lawhawk

Khadr had been classified as an "enemy combatant" by a military panel years earlier at Guantanamo Bay, but because he was not classified as an "alien unlawful enemy combatant,"

And the differences between "enemy combatant" and "alien unlawful enemy combatant," is what exactly to anyone but lawyers looking for a loophole?

And Hamdan's charges were also dismissed - on the same grounds.

But it was the latest setback for the Bush administration’s efforts to put the Guantanamo captives through some form of judicial process

Wasn't it the ACLU's efforts to put the captives through some form of judicial process?

#34

"alien unlawful enemy combatant,"

Whose law? Allan's?

Again its just that the gitmo detainees were improperly classified.

The press of course wants to free them and makes it out like the are innocent.

They werent declared innocent they simply said that they couldnt be tried under their current classification.

#5 Egfrow

ole!

#30 SevoGuy

agree...we're screwed!

#34 jdroll:

What do you expect in a court of law? To gloss over distinctions such as that? The drafters of the relevant law had something specific in mind (one hopes) by using the language they did.

#34 jrdroll

furthermore, what is the difference between "enemy" and "enemy combatant?"

#3 Killgore Trout

Well, let's revert to the Geneva conventions until we figure this thing out.
Those fighting in civilian areas or out of uniform are shot.
We'll hold the rest of the prisoners until Ossama signs an unconditional surrender is dead.

Fixed that for you.

From CTV

A military judge has dismissed charges against Canadian detainee Omar Khadr, who was 15 when he was captured in Afghanistan, saying the case is outside his jurisdiction.

The surprise ruling came minutes after Khadr's arraignment.

"You could have heard a pin drop in the courtroom this morning when the judge announced his decision. He was the one, incidentally, who noticed the discrepancy," CTV's Washington Bureau Chief Tom Clark reported from Guantanamo Bay.

The decision also came as a relief to his family in Toronto, although Khadr, now 20, will remain in custody at Guantanamo Bay.

"We always had hope, and we pray and we're going to continue doing that," Khadr's sister, Zaynab, told CTV Newsnet by phone in Toronto.

Khadr had been classified as an "enemy combatant" by a military panel years earlier. But because he was not classified as an "alien unlawful enemy combatant," Army Col. Peter Brownback said he had no choice but to throw the case out.

"The charges are dismissed without prejudice," Brownback said as he adjourned the proceeding.

Under the Military Commissions Act, which U.S. President George Bush signed last year after the Supreme Court threw out the previous war-crimes trial system, only those classified as "unlawful" enemy combatants can face war trials there.

"Obviously there are illegal enemy combatants and then there are legal enemy combatants," Clark said.

"In other words if you're wearing the uniform of another country, just because you fired a shot in anger at an American soldier doesn't mean that it is illegal," Clark said.

The ramifications of the ruling are an "unbelievable defeat for the Bush administration and the previous Congress that enacted this. It is enormous," Clark said.

Hours after the decision, a second judge threw out charges against Salim Ahmed Hamdan, former driver for al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. The judge said similarly that he lacked legal jurisdiction.

Khadr faced charges he committed murder in violation of the law of war, attempted murder in violation of the law of war, conspiracy, providing material support for terrorism and spying.

The son of an alleged al Qaeda financier, Khadr was accused of killing U.S. Army Sgt. Christopher Speer with a grenade during a firefight in Afghanistan on July 27, 2002.

While the judge has dismissed the charges against Khadr, authorities have said they can still legally hold him as an enemy combatant.

Meanwhile, the prosecutors have asked the judge for 72 hours in which to appeal.

"They are trying to appeal to a court within the next 72 hours, a court that does not exist and that they are hoping that might be made up in the next 72 hours. The chaos around this system is almost indescribable," Clark said.

Now that that process is in doubt, some are calling for Canada's government to intervene.

"Whatever we may think about Mr. Khadr and his past, he is a Canadian citizen with the rights of a Canadian citizen -- and the government should take up his case actively with U.S. authorities," said Liberal Deputy Leader Michael Ignatieff.

Khadr is one of three prisoners of the approximately 380 men held at the isolated military base to be formally charged under the new military tribunal system.

"Certainly a number of military lawyers here are hoping that this will open the door to throwing all of these cases into a civilian court system, which they say works perfectly well," Clark said.

"What the military defence lawyers are saying here is that this proves once and for all that the military commission system is simply unworkable and should be disbanded as quickly as possible," he said.

Khadr, an Ottawa native, was 15 when he was first brought to the U.S. military prison camp in southeast Cuba.[...]

see rest.

And the differences between "enemy combatant" and "alien unlawful enemy combatant," is what exactly to anyone but lawyers looking for a loophole?

As an enemy combatant they get Geneva protections. As an unlawful combatant they could have been shot on sight.

The Judge is simply saying if you are going to label them as enemy combatants then they get rights they wouldnt get as Unlawful combatants.

Also that the new law only allows the trial of unlawful combatants.

The panel that classified them screwed up. It just has to go back to the panel.

OT:
Fox 5 NY is doing a spot on Islamberg, NY at 10:30PM EDT.

#37 jrdroll:

I vote for Murphy's Law

#32 Killgore Trout

#30 SevoGuy
Prozac.

You Prozac pushers will be surprised, soon enough.

#14 easy

He said the Military Commissions Act adopted by the U.S. Congress in 2006 set more stringent rules and allowed only those designated as "unlawful enemy combatants" to face trial in the Guantanamo tribunals.

They can reclassify them.

Exactly. The judge did not order them released, just noted that their current classification does not fall under the law in question, therefore, cannot be tried under it. A paperwork error.

#30 SevoGuy:

God Bless the USA...We are living it's demise.

Lizards never quit.

#41 lawhawk 6/04/2007 7:05:49 pm PDT

#34 jdroll:

What do you expect in a court of law? To gloss over distinctions such as that?

Well go to the source document like:"The Geneva Convention" to which the US has signed on to and not rely rely on some loser lawyer in a judge's robe.

# 42 Durendal

furthermore, what is the difference between "enemy" and "enemy combatant?"

An enemy combatant is the asshole who is shooting at you. An enemy is someone who supports the asshole who is shooting at you. Collateral Damage is someone who is dumb enough to stand next to the asshole who is shooting at you.

Hope this helps.

30 Sevoguy whoa. Just because we have an idiot for a president and some scum in congress doesn't mean we are finished. I think the leftists and other various and sundry America haters have overplayed their hands lately and honestly think/hope we will see some changes.

I think the collapse in ratings for CNN and MSNBC shows that most American citizens aren't interested in drinking the leftist kool-aid any more.

You may enjoy this article by a favorite democrat:

Immigration -- Bush's domestic Iraq
The rigid thinking leading us to failure in the Mideast spawned 'comprehensive immigration reform.'
By Mickey Kaus, MICKEY KAUS writes the kausfiles blog on Slate, from which this is adapted.
June 4, 2007

MAINSTREAM editorialists like to praise President Bush's immigration initiative as an expression of his pragmatic, bipartisan, "compassionate conservative" side, in presumed contrast to the inflexible, ideological approach that produced the invasion of Iraq. But far from being a sensible centrist departure from the sort of grandiose, rigid thinking that led Bush into Iraq, "comprehensive immigration reform" is of a piece with that thinking. And it's likely to lead to a parallel outcome.

Here are 10 similarities:

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

46 lawhawk All right! Hey, nice timing JFK airport guys.

I say we just have them get injured and sent to Cuba's "wonderful" socialist health care system. That'll do the dirty work for us.

grrr,,, i so agree with killgor trout,,, they freaking TORTURE AND MURDER OUR "LEGAL COMBATANTS",you know ones who wear Uniforms, carry weapons in the open, dont 't target civilians,,, we "know" that when those bastards "capture" our guys they are dead, not in frickin Prison with Bibles, special food, toilets facing "mecca" or home,,, this plainly sucks! i was just reading Victor Davis Hanson, Is the Sky Falling on America,, I was feeling a bit better,, till I read this crap...

#44 NY Nana

"Whatever we may think about Mr. Khadr and his past, he is a Canadian citizen with the rights of a Canadian citizen -- and the government should take up his case actively with U.S. authorities," said Liberal Deputy Leader Michael Ignatieff.

No, he killed an American soldier, you can go #$@% yourself!

He wasn't wearing a uniform of another country, he is a flea bitten, mongrel, who killed an American soldier, while trying to protect the other flea bitten mongrel, Bin Laden

This guy can go @#$% himself!

Time to bring the troops home.

We're picking our noses, not fighting a war.

#52 The Other Les

ohhh i get it now...lol

Why don't we just keep the little terrorist darlings housed in these judges domiciles, since they want to bend over backwards for them.

#46 Lawhawk

GMTA...I was looking on their website, as I am also watching. Here it is. This may be old video...

#57 republic

Liberal Deputy Leader Michael Ignatieff. is a POS...'Liberal' is kind...

And Kadr deserves nothing less than execution. Google his family..scum.

I question the timing

#45 Bill Amos 6/04/2007 7:08:33 pm PDT

As an enemy combatant they get Geneva protections.

As an enemy combatant they can be:

The Constitution and the Third Geneva Convention permit the government to detain enemy combatants for the duration of a conflict.

[Link: www.cfr.org...]

So no tribunals or other court proceedings are necessary for these Islamic thugs and their brothers in arms until the defeat of the Caliphate.

#62 NY Nana

And Kadr deserves nothing less than execution. Google his family..scum.

I agree, 100%

Talk about an insanity.

Reuters video. the Lebanese government is sending in ISLAMIC MILITANTS to keep peace between the lebanese army and Al Queda.

In other words they are using Palistinian Islamics to keep the Lebanese army from killing Al Queda !

[Link: cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com...]

Ny Nana:

Intersting vid.

All I know is this: LGF is said to be a Zionist Controlled blog and the Jews are known to control the world...SO...if this is true, Wrath is pissed off...Wrath wants IN! I want to be in on this "Kosher Kids" Conspiracy! I want my take, I want my piece, I want my bank/entertainment/government posisition!

grrr.

58 abu a hoo hoo I agree. You may like this guy's site as well.

www.saneworks.us

Having participated in the deception of the American people during the war, the Army chose after the war to deceive itself. In "Learning to Eat Soup With a Knife," John Nagl argued that instead of learning from defeat, the Army after Vietnam focused its energies on the kind of wars it knew how to win — high-technology conventional wars. An essential contribution to this strategy of denial was the publication of "On Strategy: A Critical Analysis of the Vietnam War," by Col. Harry Summers. Summers, a faculty member of the U.S. Army War College, argued that the Army had erred by not focusing enough on conventional warfare in Vietnam, a lesson the Army was happy to hear. Despite having been recently defeated by an insurgency, the Army slashed training and resources devoted to counterinsurgency.

At this point it is appropriate to point out that high technology conventional war is the US military’s forte – something that we quite simply do better than anyone else on earth. Our strength is putting steel on the target in such volume and with such accuracy that we have no equal. And this ability, skill, and talent has a place to be used in conjunction with “counterinsurgency warfare” in an offensive-defensive strategy approach that was lacking in the Vietnam War

As long as there is an enemy center of gravity -- that is, a nation-state sponsoring the surrogate insurgency such as North Vietnam, or in present circumstances in Iraq such as Iran and Syria -- US high technology conventional war can end the insurgency. But putting steel on the target means having the national will to use the steel on the right target to end the conflict on our terms. The idea that we must combat insurgency only by engaging in counterinsurgency warfare on their turf and on their terms where the enemy retains the asymmetrical advantage of nullifying the US firepower through small unit hit and run attacks that are staged from the middle of civilian population areas is ludicrous.

snip

As Vietnam proved, it is difficult enough for Americans to implement a nation-building counterinsurgency strategy in an alien culture. At least the Vietnamese did not grow up being schooled in a “hate America” environment, nor with an ingrained opposition to governmental/societal concepts of Western Civilization; yet our counterinsurgency was ineffective. The reader is invited to ask himself at this point: How likely are Americans to ’win the hearts and minds’ in an Islamic culture where anti-Western prejudice is taught as religious dogma from infancy?

So, why are we “stuck on stupid” in our ideological commitment to limited war as implemented through counterinsurgency strategy? It would appear to this observer, who entered the US military during the Kennedy presidency and has been a student of US politics and warfare ever since, that our politicians and the American society they represent are incapable of correctly identifying our enemies. But of course by “incapable” I don’t mean they lack the physical ability to see what is clear before their eyes. What is meant by this assessment is an existential shortcoming or mindset that refuses to identify the enemy as such because that would require wholesale discrimination between “US” and “them”.

A conscious refusal to discriminate between us and our enemies boils down to a political and societal cowardice. I will leave to others to argue the reason why cowardice has become such a driving force in American political and social life but one conclusion is demonstrable. When cowardice costs US lives, it is an impeachable offense.

relax folks, it is similar to a faulty indictment.they will be reindicted.

Oh, that's just great. I get get deleted for a bit of drunken profanity. Perhaps I need to sober up a bit and then post weeping pathetic laments if I don't want my posts to be removed.

A colonal, ret, (sic) told me so.

#65 republic

The Khadrs, Canada's First Family of Terrorism, in the News.

This is a few years old, but is still even more true now. Some of the links are dead.

I would gladly execute him myself. He was old enough to know what he was doing.

#49 Spiny Norman 6/04/2007 7:09:25 pm PDT

A paperwork error.

The prosecution has to show that the enemy combatants are illegal. That's not just paperwork; it implies a factual showing that the defendant “actually engaged in hostilities.” Absent that, no jurisdiction. A finding that the commission has no jurisdiction goes to its lack of power to decide, and that sort of defect is rarely just a “paperwork error.”

Unfortunately there's already an extensive record in these cases, so changing the central allegations this late in the game may not be possible, let alone easy.

Remember these are military commissions, staffed by officers not generally disposed towards leniency with the enemy. Had the prosecution given them sufficient reason to proceed, the commissioners probably would have.

In short, there’s much more to this story.

#71 NY Nana

I would gladly execute him myself. He was old enough to know what he was doing.

I'm with you all the way Nana!

Wait...the Canadians actually want him back?

Somebody who is a confirmed killer of American troops and jihadi?

If we had decent border security I'd say "come on down and get him."

As is, he can just stay at Gitmo. Hopefully he'll follow the martyriffic example set by his Saudi colleague down there.

spur of the moment Jihadi syndrome?

[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

Or perhaps just an a-hole.

Roadway jihad? Link here [Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

The suspect was attempting to flee back to his native lebanon.

#30 SevoGuy

Today, a full colonal, ret. told me that the United States in crumbling from the inside out. I do agree with him.

It may be that Bush shot his wad making the right decision to get us into Iraq, but was never that sharp overall and is himself crumbling into lame-duckness.

And there's lots about the country that isn't perfect.

But half the problem is that nobody even now can take the Islamos seriously, and domestically, in times of peace, we tend to let things mess around endlessly. Overall we're still the best country on the planet. Eternal vigilance and all that.

But wtf these government prosecutors were up to, does not reflect well on anybody in Bush's administration, civilian or military. Good grief.

#68 funky chicken

good post. two centers of gravity: moscow and beijing. what now?

Nobody likes Ignatieff.
Canada would do well to distance itself from Omar Khadr, indeed, his entire family who have openly admitted ties to bin Laden. If he is put in Canadian custody, he will be released. It's bad enough his vile, free-loading, hateful pack of ingrates for a family is collecting welfare off of us, it will be another thing if he is able to resume his terrorist activities. The attack on Bay Street will be a reality, another terrorist attack that the Liberals will ignore (like the Air India disaster).

Republic -

what do we do ? it's all rushing along, isn't it?

n short, there’s much more to this story.

"Cover yer ass" ain't much of a story.

#14 easy 6/04/2007 6:48:41 pm PDT

Both defendants had been declared "enemy combatants" during administrative hearings begun at Guantanamo in 2004. But the judge for Hamdan's case, Navy Capt. Keith Allred, said that definition was broad enough to include captives who supported the Taliban or al Qaeda without actually engaging in combat.

He said the Military Commissions Act adopted by the U.S. Congress in 2006 set more stringent rules and allowed only those designated as "unlawful enemy combatants" to face trial in the Guantanamo tribunals.

They can reclassify them.

You've omitted the central point of the story, which appears in the two paragraphs following those you quote above:

[Allred] said the Military Commissions Act adopted by the U.S. Congress in 2006 set more stringent rules and allowed only those designated as "unlawful enemy combatants" to face trial in the Guantanamo tribunals.

Allred said that law limited the tribunals' jurisdiction to "those who actually engaged in hostilities."

Maybe we can give them Amnesty and move them to Minnesota where they drive taxis. Problem solved, just like all the other crap coming from this administration and Congress.

Senator Thomas of Wyoming has died.

#68 funky chicken

... idea that we must combat insurgency only by engaging in counterinsurgency warfare on their turf and on their terms where the enemy retains the asymmetrical advantage of nullifying the US firepower through small unit hit and run attacks that are staged from the middle of civilian population areas is ludicrous.

Amen, fc, amen.

Loved your whole post.

On the previous thread about Brits disbelieving 7/7, I wrote (not too eloquently) about the parallel unreality that I had observed in the legal system. Nonic said I needed to learn more about the system, which wasn't at fault.
Well, I'll try. But I don't think this case is the place to start.

OT: wot happened to knock LGF offline this PM?

Meanwhile, the new Chairman of the Arkansas Republican party, reckons we need more terrorist attacks on American soil:

"At the end of the day, I believe fully the president is doing the right thing, and I think all we need is some attacks on American soil like we had on [Sept. 11, 2001]," Milligan said to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "and the naysayers will come around very quickly to appreciate not only the commitment for President Bush, but the sacrifice that has been made by men and women to protect this country."

Yeah, that's just what America needs - another terrorist attack. Unbelievable.

#67 WrathofG-d

Update on TV? There were 'people' living there when the reporter went back, wearing Port Uathority uniforms. WTF is wrong with our Goverment?

Hey, my Zionist pay check is late this month...your check is in the mail!

At least the French know what to do, amazingly..if only we were as wise..but Bush is blind and deaf,sadly, to this critcal issue.

France gets tough on illegal immigration, setting quotas for arrests, expulsions.

PARIS - France set tough new quotas for the number of illegal immigrants authorities should arrest and expel each month, the new immigration minister said Monday.

Brice Hortefeux, who heads the newly created Ministry of Immigration, Integration, National Identity and Co-Development, said a monthly quota also would be set for ferreting out those employed in France illegally.

In a meeting with security officials, Hortefeux reiterated President Nicolas Sarkozy’s goal of 25,000 expulsions by the end of 2007 - compared with 24,000 in 2006 - and set a year-end goal of 125,000 arrests for alleged illegal entry or illegal residence, a ministry statement said. The number of those already arrested was not immediately clear.

Sarkozy, who was elected May 6, pledged during his campaign to create a ministry of immigration and national identity to rein in the flow of migrants and ensure they are integrated into French society. Riots in French housing projects in 2005 were largely driven by anger among children of immigrants at persistent discrimination and a feeling of alienation from mainstream society.

Hortefeux said the new measures were aimed at "dismantling networks that exploit the misery of illegal immigrants," the statement said.

His orders came after he and Prime Minister Francois Fillon visited a holding center for illegal immigrants Monday _ and three days after the bodies of 18 illegal immigrants were fished from the Mediterranean by the crew of a French frigate.

The dead _ 12 men, two adolescent boys and four women _ were believed to be seeking new lives in Europe, though it was not clear what country they were coming from. They will be buried in France.

"The French Republic will be extremely firm. It will ensure laws are applied," Fillon said, adding: "Naturally, these laws must be applied with the greatest humanity."

Many saw Sarkozy’s proposal as a nod to the electorate on the extreme right, which long has made fighting immigration one of its main causes.

"Generosity is not opening wide the borders without thought for how people will integrate, how they will live, how they will subsist," Fillon said.

Hortefeux, in his meeting with security officials, also insisted on the need to develop a system of paying illegal immigrants to voluntarily return home, setting the number of paid departures at 2,500 for this year _ a 25 percent increase from 2006.

Those volunteering to leave, as part of a program started in late 2005, are given a fixed sum of money, normally $4,700 per couple, with $1,350 each for the first three children.

republic

Big problem..I refuse to go to Cuba. Got any ideas?

#81 jrdroll 6/04/2007 7:39:18 pm PDT

"Cover yer ass" ain't much of a story.

Maybe.

For some people, headlines like "Gitmo Cases Dismissed" or "Gitmo Defendants Convicted On New Charges" will make interesting news.

85 itellyou Those weren't my words. They were written by a retired military officer over at his website [Link: www.saneworks.us...]

Highly recommended!

Diana West wrote an awsome column at Townhall.com on (?) April 28 of this year as well.

Good night!

That Fox5NY segment I commented on earlier turns out to not be as big a deal as they were making it out to be. Mostly old footage, but there was a curious statement at the end about how quite a few people of interest made stops in Islamberg at one time or another.

#77 itellu3times 6/04/2007 7:37:18 pm PDT

It may be that Bush shot his wad making the right decision to get us into Iraq Afghanistan, but was never that sharp overall and is himself crumbling into lame-duckness.

Yeah, you got that right.

OT -

It was a stormy day here in the Milwaukee area, and this afternoon a small plane on an organ transplant mission went down shortly after take-off into Lake Michigan. So far there is no word of survivors.

A member of the organ transplant team had just finished a presentation to my daughter's nursing class. It's very disturbing.

89 Ny Nana

Interesting article about France. I heard somewhere that the U.S. takes in more people LEGALLY per yer than all countries combined.

Sudden Jihad Syndrome? Or just rage that an infidel woman would try to stop him?

BSO announce arrest in dragging death of local woman

By Macollvie Jean-François, Brian Haas & Andrew Tran
Sun-Sentinel.com
Posted June 4 2007, 7:18 PM EDT

UPDATE: Broward Sheriff Ken Jenne announced Monday afternoon the arrest of a man at New York's John F. Kennedy airport in the dragging death of Sandra Hall, 44, of Fort Lauderdale.

Sheriff Jenne identified the suspect as Abdelaziz Hamze, 24, of Coral Springs, during a press conference. He said BSO investigators were on their way to New York to interview him.

Here is what BSO investigators said about Hamze's arrest:

The suspect was pulled from an Athens-bound flight at JFK airport, at approximately 4:20 p.m., Monday afternoon, by agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. It is believed Hamze, who is a U.S. citizen, purchased his ticket to Greece following the murder. Athens is a common connecting point for flights to Lebanon, where Hamze is originally from.

[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

#79 Joan Not of Arc

We have spent about a year, all told, in Toronto, over 24 years, going up 2 times a year, and Canada is a country I would never disaprage. And now, with PM Harper? Wonderful...but Iggy? Your Libs=ourDemonrats.

Canada would do well to distance itself from Omar Khadr, indeed, his entire family who have openly admitted ties to bin Laden. If he is put in Canadian custody, he will be released. It's bad enough his vile, free-loading, hateful pack of ingrates for a family is collecting welfare off of us, it will be another thing if he is able to resume his terrorist activities. The attack on Bay Street will be a reality, another terrorist attack that the Liberals will ignore (like the Air India disaster).

Every time I picture the CN Tower? The first time we were back after 9/11? I could not go there, and never have again. Bay Street? G-d forbid...or any other place in the civilized world.

Tanks rolling into Gaza, I see.

88 tantraman Huh. So which thing is Bush doing right?

The open borders?
The "negotiations" with Iran?
Trying to turn Moqtada Al Sadr et al into peaceful government ministers in his fantasy Iraqi democracy?
Putting pressure on Israel?
Meeting with Putin?

Oops popular story. At least they caught him at JFK.

JFK and the ROP are getting lots of press lately.

Now it's good night!

Up until the rules of war fare.. insurgences virtually never succeeded.. large armies marched back to the conquered terrority and either killed or enslaved the population until peace was restored on the terms the winning army wanted them to be.. even after those rules were started.. someplace in Europe.. in the 1600's or so war was especially brutal on civilians who rose up against their rulers.
The current rules of war outlaw many of the types of warfare used in WW2 against cities, and mostly end the ability to remove civilians to camps, for easy control. Today we are expected to wander arround in the middle of crowded streets and wait for a sniper or roadside bomb to kill the soldiers searching legally for the terrorists who don't obey the rules of war. Those rules allow swift trials and death sentences for those who violate wars rules.. so we should either start hanging the terrorists we catch.. or start using the tactics they use with illegal warfare.. death squads.. bombs in places we expect them to gather ect. If we don't, we will walk away a few years, and come back when they discover a new way to attack our country.. not a hard job given our freedom and crazy political parties we have here who seem friendlier to our enemies then our armies. Its going to get a lot worse before it gets better.. I personally expect wars rules to fall by the wayside.. when the Demorats get power.. get us nuked..maybe a few times..(the first couple they will blame on Bush and try to give the enemy a pass on) But one day it will become their war to win.. and knowing only Stalin as a hero.. expect the rules to vanish. I just pray they don't join Islamists against us before then. Well no more then they already have I mean.

A delightful fellow has been arrested trying to flee to Lebanon to escape first degree murder charges.

He did a hit and run, when confronted by the other driver he dragged the woman at 70 mph and killed her when she went under his van.

OT.

I have an off-topic question for all the Jews here on LGF.

What in the world is WRONG with us? How can there be so many of us that are just so continuously stupid?

In the last 10 minutes I have read two different articles from Jewish "leaders" who claim that the conflict between Israel and the Arabs is because of the "occuapation", and if Israel were just to leave "the territories" they wouldn't suffer the problems they do.

Again, I ask. WTF is wrong with these people? How can they be so thick!?

ot cont

Just for reference, this was the 1st article, and this was the 2nd.

At the same time these morons acknowledge that it was an attack on Israel by Arabs wishing to destroy the state that gained Israel Judea, Samaria, (and Gaza), they claim that it is the control of these areas that cause all of Israel's problems.

I say they should go in front of Judge Judy.

I suggest that we bring Uzi Landau out of retirement and make him PM. I dare say he would make a great many Arabs never wish they had heard of Islam.

#95 Wrath

That I am not sure of, but this? Gevalt!

Senate Immigration Bill Would Allow 100 Million New Legal Immigrants over the Next Twenty Years.

Maybe they can live on Camp Sheehag? President Bush would be happy to have them. Notice the ratio of MSM to her Truthers followers.

another member of the ROP in trouble. This one caught fleeing the country after dragging a woman behind his car for 4 miles. Ploiticians strangely silent.

[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

NY Nana, I believe you truly feel for Toronto. Many Canadians don't because they think Toronto is full snobs but I digress.
I really believe it would be disastrous for Khadr not to be charged and be released. He is a killer and his family connections are quite dangerous. Not only that, their virulence against the country that feeds them is just galling. No politician should hang their professional reputation on them. The Khadrs are terrorists through and through.
I say let the Americans hang Omar Khadr or throw him in prison or whatever. We don't want Omar Khadr or anyone in his family.
I am truly worried.

O.T.: "BIG CRAP" FROM KEITH OLBERMANN TONIGHT.

I watched the Keith Olbermann "Democratic Talking Points Show" on MSNBC tonight.

Don't miss Olbermann's "The nexus of politics and terror." You may have thought that the JFK plot was announced now because the suspects were planning to travel to Venezuela. Olbermann knows better--it was to divert attention from the Democratic debate!

Olbermann calls it: The Plot Thins: The JFK Terror plot...heavy on the hysteria...short on the "plot." Who announced the plot but the U.S. Attorney--a Bush appointee! There you go!

The Kos Kidz are loving Olbermann, calling the terror plot "Neanderthal-Qaeda."

Olbermann adds this about Bush's trip to Europe:

Meanwhile, rumor has it that some officials are referring to this trip according to the acronym formed by the itinerary...

Bulgaria, Italy, Gdansk, Czech Republic, Albania and Poland.

[Get it? BIG CRAP! Isn't Olbermann smart? Of course, Gdansk is a city in Poland...--B.P.}

#98 pat:

The tanks have been rolling in and out of Gaza for the past week or so. But the rockets keep getting fired into Israel from Gaza by the terrorists. And they fired mortars at Erez crossing as well.

The rulings did not affect U.S. authority to indefinitely hold the 380 foreign terrorism suspects detained at the Guantanamo Bay naval base in southeast Cuba.

That's about one 747-load. Hell, just repatriate them. Maybe the plane will arrive. Maybe it won't.

OT:
Just watched most of a slightly revisionist documentary on the Six-Day War of 1967. Learned that most of the problems of the last 40 years were the result of Israelis' refusal to just die, and their grievous insult to arab manhood by actually winning a war against numerically superior enemies. Plus their arrogance in re-uniting Jerusalem and reclaiming "one of the holiest sites in Judaism". Sorry, did I miss the holier ones?

A message to my moslem antagonists:
NEVER AGAIN!

Oh, and:
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
ALOHA SNACKBAR!
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ALOHA SNACKBAR!

#18 Dave the...

St Paul paper has an article on a girls only prom. No not Lesbians...that would be Minneapolis. This is Somalian Muslim girls who want to have fun...not wearing garbage bags. They put on makeup. Dress in stylish clothes. Etc So they have a prom for girls only.

I actually sympathize with them and support what they are doing.

I don't. They are just being allowed to have a fancy pajama party. To hell with that separate crap. It amounts to official endorsement of oppresssion that does nothing to help these girls in the long run. I support the girls going to the real prom in real clothes.

Jack is sorry for your loss, but he needs you to focus on the primary objective right now.

#110 Barrypopik

on MSNBC tonight.

Don't you mean MSLSD?

#113 American Soldier:

The rulings did not affect U.S. authority to indefinitely hold the 380 foreign terrorism suspects detained at the Guantanamo Bay naval base in southeast Cuba.
That's about one 747-load. Hell, just repatriate them. Maybe the plane will arrive. Maybe it won't.

Cut out the middleman. Load the Gitmo freaks on a C-130, fly them around for awhile, then open up the rear cargo door with the "flaming hoop of jihad" for them to jump through.

#103 WrathofG-d 6/04/2007 8:06:03 pm PDT
Missed your post before I posted.
There're an awful lot of Yidden who think islam will love us if only we give up this selfish idea of Jews living in the Promised Land. Thank G-d for companies like Rock River Arms-
[Link: www.rockriverarms.com...]

I know it's only been a little while since Sarkosy was elected in France, but he seems to be showing some great promise so far. Maybe he could give George some pointers on being conservative. Who would have thought I'd be hoping to get some leadership from France?

#118 Kaintuck 6/04/2007 8:28:31 pm PDT

Cut out the middleman. Load the Gitmo freaks on a C-130, fly them around for awhile, then open up the rear cargo door with the "flaming hoop of jihad" for them to jump through.

In-flight fires are frowned upon. Besides, traditionally, "flying lessons" are given from an UH-1: [Link: www.centennialofflight.gov...]

Release them all on something remote and fairly inescapable* like devil's island. Give them each a bag of carrot seeds/potatos etc but nothing whatsoever remotely sharp/hard/flammable etc... then let loose hogzilla...

*patrol around and sink anything not ours as needed...

*sigh*

The major problem these days is we have too many flower children in charge in Washington and too many money chasers there too.

They won't lift a finger when the crash comes.

We're on our own folks.

Government in NOT your friend. And I've worked for it

#122 American Soldier

#118 Kaintuck 6/04/2007 8:28:31 pm PDT

Cut out the middleman. Load the Gitmo freaks on a C-130, fly them around for awhile, then open up the rear cargo door with the "flaming hoop of jihad" for them to jump through.
In-flight fires are frowned upon. Besides, traditionally, "flying lessons" are given from an UH-1: [Link: [Link: www.centennialofflight.gov...]...]

OK, you got me there. How about instead of the flaming hoop of jihad we try the "cheap Taiwanese blinking lights of jihad"? I don't think they'll notice: "There's goats on the other side of them thar hills, boys!"

OT, for those of you who haven't seen this on Drudge:

A certain non-Presbyterian hit-and-run driver in Broward County, Florida hit another car, then fled the scene of an accident. The victims chased him, and got out to stand in front of his car to prevent him from escaping again. Undeterred, the non-Presbyterian intentionally hit one of the victims, and dragged her for miles, killing her. He escaped, but rather miraculously, he was later caught at Kennedy Airport in New York. As his fellow non-Presbyterians haven't yet blown up that airport, he was intending to use it to flee the country to Athens, and then presumably back to Lebanon, the country from which he was originally spewed.

I'm having trouble embedding a link to the story, but it's here:

[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

Of course, we should not jump to any unwarranted generalizations about the man's non-Presbyterian nature. There are all sorts of terrible people, of all religions, who erupt in spasms of murderous rage, behead or otherwise kill nearby infidels, and then flee back to their native lands. As the Sun-Sentinel says, it's just road rage, that's all.

In kindergarten, Jack Bauer killed a terrorist for Show and Tell.

...and now for the least favorite lgf feature; The Bollywod clip of the day...
Madhuri Dixit

Namaste, y'all.

108 pat 6/04/2007 8:14:21 pm PDT

another member of the ROP in trouble. This one caught fleeing the country after dragging a woman behind his car for 4 miles. Ploiticians strangely silent.

[Link: [Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]...]

It doesn't say in the article that he's a Muslim... Granted the demographics of where he wanted to flee to and his name kinda point that way but he could also purport to be of any other religion and just be a selfish bastard with no regard for human life whatsoever...

(Florida should give him a free dirtnap if they can convict him IMO)

#119 American Soldier

Thank G-d for companies like Rock River Arms-

I really wanted a RRA at the last gun show, but settled for a tricked-out Armalite. I've been really pleased, so far. Just my AR 2 cents. ;)

Does this mean that all the jihadniks in Guantanamo can now most regrettably be shot while trying to escape?

#130 Cartman 6/04/2007 8:41:09 pm PDT

#119 American Soldier

Thank G-d for companies like Rock River Arms-
I really wanted a RRA at the last gun show, but settled for a tricked-out Armalite. I've been really pleased, so far. Just my AR 2 cents. ;)

The lower receiver's the only part of mine that's RRA, but it's still a great rifle. I don't recall- did you get a chance to fire it in '05?

This entire situation reeking of "monumental incompetance" could have been prevented had the Rules of Land Warfare been followed to the letter. The prisoners would have been interrogated and then promptly executed. We are not fighting fair and we are paying the price.

#128 Killgore Trout

I watched it with no sound...have no idea what it was all about --but it reminded me of the little films BabbaZee has made... :)

#131 amphibian 6/04/2007 8:41:15 pm PDT

Does this mean that all the jihadniks in Guantanamo can now most regrettably be shot while trying to escape?

"Regrettably"?

But it was the latest setback for the Bush administration’s regular American's efforts to put the Guantanamo captives prisoners of war through some form of judicial process wussified liberal anti-American grand-standing. It was forced to rewrite capitulate the rules last year after the U.S. Supreme Court deemed the old tribunals illegal too tough for the most liberal American citizens to stomach.

that sounds more honest...don't ya think?

#109 Joan Not of Arc

I believe you truly feel for Toronto. Many Canadians don't because they think Toronto is full snobs but I digress.
I really believe it would be disastrous for Khadr not to be charged and be released. He is a killer and his family connections are quite dangerous. Not only that, their virulence against the country that feeds them is just galling. No politician should hang their professional reputation on them. The Khadrs are terrorists through and through.
I say let the Americans hang Omar Khadr or throw him in prison or whatever. We don't want Omar Khadr or anyone in his family.
I am truly worried.

We have never had a problem in Toronto, or anywhere in the GTA..people are polite, and helpful. Last time we went ,we had a Bush/Cheney 04 magnetic plaque on the door, and actually got thumbs up on the QEW and the Gardner...and no one ever tried to remove it like they did here. When we go to restaurants in Thornhill, we were welcomed back..a very nice feeling.

Just like Americans hate NYC...maybe they have an edifice complex? :)

Iggy is really OTT on this, and his intellectual achievments do not confer commmon sense. The Libs are just as suicidal as the Demonrats..Nancy Pelousy™ ? Can you picture them together?

The Khadrs should never have been let back in. I know more than I want to about them, as we were there during some of this mess.

I fear for Toronto, as the area in and around Mississauga is overloaded with members of the cult of islam...I would not doubt that their mosques are full of terrorists in training, who are plotting even as we type.

American Soldier

I saw glimpses of the show as well..

What do u mean..don't u think its high time we gave Syria the Golan back too?

The better to launch attacks on your civilians my dear!

Arrrg!

103 WrathofG-d

I have an off-topic question for all the Jews here on LGF.

What in the world is WRONG with us? How can there be so many of us that are just so continuously stupid?

Again, I ask. WTF is wrong with these people? How can they be so thick!?

(Disclaimer: I am not Jewish. At best, I am a pseudo-Jew/Jew wannabe.)

Conservative, hard-nosed people seem to be the minority among Jewish folk. Over here, judging by voting, only 13 out of every 100 Jews are conservative. In spite of the stereotype of the Evil Jew as a guy out to screw people, my read of Jewish culture seems to be that Jews both demand the best and expect the best out of people, therefore there's a lot of internal resistance towards declaring somebody an absolute enemy, drawing a line, and threatening said enemy with hellish retribution if they cross it (which is, frankly, the only way to deal with fascist savages like the Palestinians). It seems like the hard decisions about violence and its application are left up to G-d somehow and don't bear thinking about.

In the meantime, let's vote for schmucks like Clinton because he HELPS people! Republicans are evil! In Israel, both sides are guilty and we can solve the conflict with talk! If we just got rid of guns there would be no crime! And so on.

Making the world a better place as a Jew is all well and good, but it's hard to be a light unto the nations when you're dead. Why Jewish folk don't get this, I'm not entirely sure. There is some kind of strange passivity when it comes to bodily rights of self-defense that defeats the whole purpose of being Jewish, IMO.

This is from the Wikipedia page on Miltary Tribunals...

Jurisdiction

President Bush claims that military tribunals have jurisdiction over any foreign national in the custody of the United States armed forces, no matter how or where they were captured, who has been designated an enemy combatant and charged with crimes by a military authority. This theory of jurisdiction has not been tested in a federal court.

The jurisdiction question should be left to Federal judges not the Military judges. Really, who else in the Military gets to just tell everyone else just what their job is or isn't.

#138 Angel 6/04/2007 8:49:14 pm PDT

American Soldier

I saw glimpses of the show as well..

What do u mean..don't u think its high time we gave Syria the Golan back too?

The better to launch attacks on your civilians my dear!

Arrrg!

Even when I was a lousy rifle shot, I'm pretty sure I could've stood on the heights and killed people in Tiberias with random shots from a .30-06. Certainly with a field piece.

there is so much common sense here on LGF and other blogs that it's freakin' amazing we in the U.S. and most of the West continue to wave the flag of surrender to the Islamist all across the globe...

why have all (most) the politicians (from Spain to Germany to Denmark and Norway down to England and across the ocean to the United States back into the islands of Indonesia and the Phillipines...) lost ALL their nerve in facing evil in the eyes and fighting back while we still have the chance?

has the west forgot that fighting itself is not evil and that confronting evil is the one thing we cannot afford to not do?

And what is the obvious lesson? Take no prisoners.
They should have all been shot on the combat field. Shit, how are we gonna win a war when all we do is fuck around? The enemy isn't fucking around, they mean business. Shit. Its like we're a bunch of kids playing softball, and arguing over some obscure rule, when the opponents are throwing grenades. We just aren't serious, so many more will die before we get serious. Thats the bottom line. Taking the moral high ground against a completely ruthless enemy is the height of stupidity. Shit.

I'm outa here. G'night, Lizardia.

126 Last Mo'

You mean like this non-Mozlem:
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Some 35 people were injured as a car hit the crowd of a street festival in Washington D.C. Saturday night, ABC News reported.

The injured, with seven in critical condition, were hospitalized, according to the report.

The accident took place around 8 p.m. and the car was speeding at the time.

The driver, a woman in her thirties, was detained by police after a failed attempt to flee the scene.

Police said the woman was driving at the speed of 70mph, trying to pass through a southwestern Washington street that was crowded with festival-goers.

A child was in the car when the accident occurred.

The accident was still under investigation.

The festival, known as "UNIFEST," is Washington D.C.'s premiere annual African American cultural festival and parade.

The event features a gala parade, a marketplace and other community activities.

#132 A.S.

The lower receiver's the only part of mine that's RRA, but it's still a great rifle. I don't recall- did you get a chance to fire it in '05?

Yes, I did. From prone position. Sweet. I'm seriously considering the 450 Bushmaster, tho. Totally intrigued by the concept. Any thoughts?

#128 Killgore

I love your Bollywood videos..what I can't stand is 'pallywood'.

NY Nana

Much love coming your way from Cartman. Hope we can chat soon, and hope all is well, kiddo.

#126 Cartman

You killed Elmo!

#146 Cartman 6/04/2007 9:01:42 pm PDT
No experience with it, no opinion. But one of the rules of Marine gunfighting is to never bring a sidearm where the caliber doesn't start with "4". Later.

Is the guest-list at Guantanamo and Gitmo still growing? Or are other means being employed in the field to cut down on the red tape?

Speaking of screeching to a halt...too bad this ROP'er couldn't manage to do that...

[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

OT:

The funniest video I have seen in a long, long time

Do yourselves a favor and watch.

#149 Cartman♥

Talk about timing..oy!

I am hiding under my 'puter desk! :=(

Linky no worky, Nana.

ugh!

No matter the delays, no matter the bumps, no matter the denials (however temporary or terminal) of due justice, we know who is THE ENEMY.

Sing-along, anyone?
Hey! Oh, Mr. backstabbing son of a bitch
You're living in a world that will soon be dying
And I know, everybody knows you try to be like me
But even at your best, as a man you couldn't even be a half of me

I am realizing, that everybody's lost their simple ways
And now that is here, I see it all so clearly
I've come face to face with the enemy, oh the enemy!

You! You're another shittalking punk to me
You're living inspiration for what I never wanna be
And I see, you've been blinded by what you believe
And now back up and sit and I'll show the act you need to be

I am realizing, that everybody's lost their simple ways
And now that is here, I see it all so clearly
I've come face to face with the enemy, oh the enemy!
Come to me, come to me, the enemy, come to me, come to me

So predicting, you're the reason why
I lie
Safehold decision took too much time
To fly
Oh, check me, check me...

I am realizing, that everybody's lost their simple ways
And now that is here, I see it all so clearly
I've come face to face with the enemy, oh the enemy!
Come to me

Time to cash in the chips. Have a great day tomorrow, fellow Lizards. Continue to fight the good fight...

The rulings did not affect U.S. authority to indefinitely hold the 380 foreign terrorism suspects detained at the Guantanamo Bay naval base in southeast Cuba.

What more could we want anyway?

Pakistani elephant beats keeper when meals late
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

A Pakistani zoo is appealing for donations to help feed its sole elephant, Suzi, which gets angry and beats its keeper with a stick when its meals are late.

"When Suzi is not fed on time it holds its master's cane in its trunk and starts beating him," an official at the zoo in the city of Lahore told the Daily Times.

The zoo is hoping philanthropists and schools will "adopt" Suzi and pay for its food, the paper said in a report on Monday.

"We don't have enough funds to feed Suzi and its expenses are more than our budget," said zoo director Yousuf Pal.

#103 WrathofG-d

Wish I had an answer. I suspect it is all based in Tikkun, and a severely deformed sense of social justice.

rofling and smfh @ the traitorcrats' "debate" last night

"I surrendered first!"

"No, I did!"

"You guys, it's clear that I'm the biggest traitor."

And, guess what? The enemy cannot hide.

I speak peace when peace is spoken, But I speak war when your hate is provoking, The season is open 24-7-365, Man up yo time to ride, No need to hide behind slogans of deceit, Claiming that you're a religion of peace, We just don't believe you, We can clearly see through, The madness that you're feeding your people, Jihad the cry of your unholy war, Using the willing, the weak and poor, From birth drowning in propaganda, rhetoric and slander, All we can say is damn ya

My forefathers fought and died for this here
I'm stronger than your war of fear
Are we clear?
If you step in my hood
It's understood
It's open season

I don't need a faith that's blind, Where death and hate bring me peace of mind, With views that are stuck deep in the seventh century, So much sand in your eyes to blind to see, The venom that you leaders preach, Is the path to your own destruction, Your own demise, You might say that I don't understand but your disgust for me is what I realize, Surprise!
Your homicidal ways has got the whole world watching, Whole world scoping, So if you bring it to my home base, Best believe it, The season's open

I see you, Hell yeah I see you, Motherfucker naw, I don't wanna be you, If you come to my place, I'll drop more than just some bass, Yo you'll get a taste of a, Sick motherfucker from the Dirty, I ain't worrying not a fucking bit, I'm telescoping like Hubble, Yo you in trouble, Yo on the double, I'm wild with mine, Bring that style with mine, Fuck with my family I'll end your life, Just the way it is, Just the way it be, Do you understand? No matter if you're woman or man, or child, My profile is crazy, That shit you do doesn't amaze me, I'm ready to blaze thee

I don't give a damn what god you claim, I've seen the innocent that you've slain, On my streets you're just fair game, Like a pig walk to your slaughter, The heat here is so much hotter, And my views won't teeter totter or fluctuate, Step to me you just met your fate, And I'll annihilate, With the skill of a Shogun assassin, Slicing and dicing precise with a passion, In any shape form or fashion, Bring it to my home, Welcome to the danger zone, Cause your attitude's the reason, The triggers keep squeezing, The hunt is on and it's open season

It's Open Season

#159 Cartman

Check your email, please. Linky worked for me...you will have to sing a waver to watch. :)

Sweet dreams!

hasta manana!

I have no answers anymore. So, just send them all back to Afghanistan and maybe we can finish the war properly the second time around.

167 Timbre

More likely we will just detain them until old age gets them.

Good Night All.

#135 American Soldier:

#131 amphibian 6/04/2007 8:41:15 pm PDT

Does this mean that all the jihadniks in Guantanamo can now most regrettably be shot while trying to escape?

"Regrettably"?

Of course. You know, "The prisoner, Mr. Ahmed al-Jihadi, whom we were about to let off on a technicality or three, attempted to escape, and was regrettably and rather accidentally shot, hanged, disemboweled, and stabbed with a hat pin, after which he inexplicably jumped into a tank of hungry piranhas. Mr. Al-Jihadi could not be reached for comments."

That kind of regrettably.

#161 tee hee OT but...can anyone explain this one to me? I saw a car the other day driving down the street; sporty, black, very well taken care of; clean as a whistle. On the doors was written in professional script "pakistani"...why the f would ANYONE want to advertise that? What a strange world we live in...

...and the enemy laughs.

This, an enemy who's pre-trial discovery consists of "Is he an infidel?" and who's penalty phase consists of: "Should we shoot him or cut his head off?"

OT

Tonight on HBO2: Comedy in the Muslim World.

No kidding. I can't wait.

Pawn

Thanks for the answer and the kind words about Jews. Your take is probably not too far off.

Kevin

You are most likely right

Pawn & Kevin

The oddest part about the whole "we wouldn't have problems if there wasn't an 'occupation'" argument is that it has been prooven FALSE over & over & over again. I don't blame Jews for trying that idea out once, or even maybe three times. (expecting the best in everyone and all).

But, after Oslo, Camp David, the Road Map, the election of Hamas (after the palestinians' 1st real election) and the "disengagement", only a blind, stupid, head-in-the-ground, idiot could think that the issue is "all about the 'occupation'".

You would think that the PeaceNow crew would have to stop and reassess their assumptions following the "end of the "occupation" in Gaza, as they see todayt that it didn't solve the problem, but in many ways only made it worse! (if the other attempts to give the palestinians full autonomy didn't)

I understand the quality of the Jewish people, and the numerous internal powers that would make one liberal, and follow the Liberal-Judaism of "Tikkun Olam over everything", its the comple ignorning of the reality, results and falied attemptes at trying it "their way" that boggles my mind!

Can anybody make me a video with this?

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

#171 dammad
Why would any one advertise they were Pakistani? Because it offers immunity under the law under this administration. Kind of like saying you are illegal in NYC after raping another illegal or drunk driving if you are 'undocumented' in Virginia. And you don't have to pay taxes.

You will never win the war on terror if you give the terrorists same rights as good citizens. it just make no sense. they take advantage of your system to attack you, and you protect their rights. that's the problem of current admin in iraq, i m sure if there is more stronger and courageous admin and congress that will never bow to jihadists and radical islam, terrorists would have been disappeared from iraq years ago.

#74 Funky Chicken

Khadr is no more Canadian than I am Queen of the May, and real, native-born Canadians don't want him or the rest of his worthless welfare-sucking family.

The Khadr clan may hold Canadian passports, but that no more makes them real Canadians than my owning a set of Mr. Spock ears would make me a real Vulcan.

You may take comfort in the fact that it is NOT Canada's present Conservative government that is demanding his release, but the deputy leader of the Opposition (and former Liberal government), Michael Ignatieff. As an opposition member, he can bleat all he wants, but what he says carries no weight.

Maybe we should not take prisoners anymore, sorry but they all died in battle.

Arrrg!

Perhaps the left and other non-thinking sorts of lemmings such as bumper-sticker-Edwards would be able to think in terms of our being at war if the administration would shove the PC crap and act as a country at war shoud act, i.e.:

- it isn't a "war on terror"; it is WAR. "Terror"
is a tactic used by the ENEMY.

- Yes, they aren't "insurgents"; they are the ENEMY

- the ENEMY isn't "arrested", or "detained" - the ENEMY is CAPTURED, and the ENEMY CAPTIVES are held in prisoner-of-war camps until the war ends.

- our troops aren't being killed by groups of "insurgent extremists"; our troops are being killed in planned military attacks by ENEMY SOLDIERS WHO DON'T WEAR UNIFORMS.

- our ENEMY is being armed by their allies in Iran, who are therefore also our ENEMY.

- Our nation is doomed to failure and defeat unless there is a collective awakening to the fact that our military aren't being allowed to win. It's not that they can't defeat the enemy - it's that politicians, who are predominately LAWYERS, have usurped the responsibility of the generals - and would rather play pat-a-cake and footsies with the dinner jacket and the chinless wonder than WIN.

- Wars are brutal. They are brutal because that is the only way to win.

- The definition of "win" in relation to war is that the enemy is defeated - not appeased, not bribed, not cajoled - DEFEATED.

- The was is not over until the enemy KNOWS it has been DEFEATED.

/sorry about the rant - as you may have guessed, this situation at Gitmo, and the rest of it - has really pissed me off.

#103 Wrath of G-d

I wish I knew. Nothing bothers me more than appeaser Jews, who are often, though not always, self-hating Jews. I've had friends (past tense) who would start crying and/or excuse themselves from gatherings where any of us would be discussing the political situation and the danger posed to Jews. No one made rabid "nuke the Arabs!" comments at all. Discussions were completely reasonable (maybe more than they should have been). Why did these "friends" bawl and squall and flee from the room? Because we were saying unkind things about other human beings . . .

Blech. Since making aliyah, my husband and I have made a decision that we are going to be firm about our right to discuss politics in our own home, even on shabbat, maybe especially on shabbat, and if some misguided, stupid Jew "can't handle the truth" then they can take a piece of challah and go on home. We are done with catering to foolish, self-destructive emotions of Jewish moonbats. Done, I tell you. Done.

That doesn't answer the question of why there are Jewish moonbats, but it does describe how we've learned to cope with them on an individual level. Politically, moonbat influences in government are very frightening. I don't know what can be done. I guess more people have to suffer and die first.

#97, NY Nana, been to the top of that late '80's early '90's. It didn't look like a minaret back then. Different time, different light.

Ok this is the prime reason why you CANNOT treat these terrorist vermin as criminals! The LLL got their way again and we have nobody to blame but ourselves. These vermin should have been bled dry of information and summarily shot. Our men would be lucky to get that level of mercy. I have no sympathy for the vermin and could easily pull the trigger - give me the ticket to gitmo.

/I played a guard in the play A Few Good Men and have an intimate relationship with gitmo because of it.

semi-OT -- Got this a while back.

A libertarian wrote a lot of letters to the White House complaining about the treatment of a captive insurgent (terrorist) being held in Guantanamo Bay. She received the following reply.

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, D.C. 20016

Dear Concerned Citizen,

Thank you for your recent letter roundly criticizing our treatment of the Taliban and Al Quaeda detainees currently being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Our administration takes these matters seriously and your opinion was heard loud and clear here in Washington. You'll be pleased to learn that, thanks to the concerns of citizens like yourself, we are creating a new division of the Terrorist Retraining Program, to be called the "Liberals Accept Responsibility for Killers" program, or LARK for short.

In accordance with the guidelines of this new program, we have decided to place one terrorist under your personal care. Your personal detainee has been selected and scheduled for transportation under heavily armed guard to your residence next Monday.

Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you can just call him Ahmed) is to be cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your letter of complaint. It will likely be necessary for you to hire some assistant caretakers.

We will conduct weekly inspections to ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with those you so strongly recommended in your letter.

Although Ahmed is a sociopath and extremely violent, we hope that your sensitivity to what you described as his "attitudinal problem" will help him overcome these character flaws. Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural differences. We understand that you plan to offer counseling and home schooling.

Your adopted terrorist is extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human life with such simple items as a pencil or nail clippers. We advise that you do not ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga group. He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices from common household products, so you may wish to keep those items locked up, unless (in your opinion) this might offend him.

Ahmed will not wish to interact with you or your daughters (except sexually), since he views females as a subhuman form of property. This is a particularly sensitive subject for him and he has been known to show extremely violent tendencies around women who fail to comply with the new dress code that he will recommend as more appropriate attire.

I'm sure you will come to enjoy the anonymity offered by the burqa -- over time. Just remember that it is all part of "respecting his culture and his religious beliefs" -- wasn't that how you put it?

Thanks again for your letter. We truly appreciate it when folks like you keep us informed of the proper way to do our job. You take good care of Ahmed - and remember, we'll be watching.

Good luck!

Cordially, your friend,
Don Rumsfeld

#184 Mambo Bananapatch

Oh but if it were only true...they would shut their pieholes immediately. I wonder if any of these "lawyer-types" would want these vermin living in their house with their little kiddies and wife? The hell they would. The ACLU needs to be tried and convicted and imprisoned in a gitmo equivalent...after all these vermin live better than any prisoner here. If they weren't such scum they would really have it made.

This jaw-dropper of a frontpage headline on the Toronto Star says it all,

Victory puts Khadr in limbo

A military judge has thrown out the war crimes charges against Omar Khadr, raising new questions about the U.S. administration's indefinite detention of terror suspects at this American detention camp in Cuba.

The Star sees this as a "Victory"!

I'm appalled.

Like it or not, Eurabian's are going get their Constitution - on Blair: An affront to democracy

Unlike the original constitution, ministers would now have us believe that no issues of constitutional significance arise from its proposed replacement and therefore there is no need for it to be ratified by the voters.

An editorial from that PoS Joschka Fischer: It's now up to Europe to prove its global relevance

What the new foundational document is called in the end is a minor point; what is essential for Europe's future is that constitutional reform is revived and gives Europe a strong foundation. The question, then, is whether the new leaders, as early as next month, succeed in a new effort to adopt the vital institutional reforms that the enlarged EU requires.

Get ready to velkum the new burgeoning Caliphate, Eurabia.

180 GGMac

You have put your finger on it.

American Soldier, I'd go for jihad for a snackbar. Withold MY Junior Mints, will you?
(just joking)
NY Nana, sure there are nice enough people in Toronto but there are certainly some who need to be brought down a peg or two.
I guess we run in different circles.
I believe the mosques have done a "fine" job of stoking the fires of jihad, hence the seventeen accused of plotting to blow up Bay Street. This Khadr affair will only embolden them. If Omar Khadr is released, Toronto is in BIG trouble.

Here is an interview with this terrorist scumbag's sister - who is asking us to really really really try and understand what Al Qaida stands for.

Canada should ship her sorry ass out right now.

[Link: www.citynews.ca...]

Let's see.We capture their guys and they go to Gitmo. They capture our guys and torture, then KILL them.

Yup, sounds fair

It's nice that the rights of criminals are being protected by our courst...but who is protecting the rights of American citizens, both living and dead?

Isn't there ANYONE in the US Court system that is worried about our rights anymore?!?

~ENT

I am really tired of all this contorted Gitmo stuff. Let's just shoot the lot of them.

Whoa! There, I feel better.

#193 CLLRusso 6/05/2007 4:17:28 pm PDT

I am really tired of all this contorted Gitmo stuff. Let's just shoot the lot of them.

Whoa! There, I feel better.

I hope all of you feel a little better. I trust this is a place to blow off steam, because it would scare the living shit out of me to be in the room with any of you. Where is your humanity? Where is your dignity?

This is about a 15 year old and a driver, not two "worst of the worst".

I read the following about Omar Khadr:
"He comes from a family allegedly active in al-Qaeda. His charges stem from an incident where the U.S. sent Afghans into a compound where Khadr and others were located. The people inside the compound killed the Afghans and began firing at the U.S. soldiers. The Americans dropped two 500-pound bombs on the compound, killing everyone inside except Khadr. After Khadr threw a hand grenade which killed an American, the soldiers shot Khadr, blinding and seriously wounding him. Khadr begged them in English to finish him off. He was then taken to Baghram and later to Guantánamo.

According to Donald Rehkopf, Jr., co-chair of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers Military Law Committee, "The government has steadfastly refused to allow hearings on this alleged [unlawful enemy combatant] status because there are so many prisoners at GTMO that were not even combatants, much less 'unlawful' ones. Khadr is in an unusual situation because he has a viable 'self-defense' claim - we attacked the compound that he and his family were living in, and the fact that he was only 15 at the time."