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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:32:46pm
2 rorschach  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:33:15pm

Fly . me . to . the . moon...

3 Catttt  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:34:28pm

Mmmm. A bird. Smack smack.

4 Colonel Panik  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:34:48pm

Stealth seagull. Hopefully being vectored in to drop a load on Ahmadinejad.

5 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:37:26pm
6 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:38:07pm
7 RTLM  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:38:18pm

A tanker bombardment

8 Globular Cluster  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:38:40pm

Such beautiful birds, seagulls, and yet... so annoying. They've got in in for my car, let me tell you. As my brother has always maintained, it's a good thing humans can't fly.

9 DesertSage  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:39:03pm

I want to fly like an eagle...to the sea.

10 JCM  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:39:39pm

He's flying out to check out the scraps from a Supertanker!

11 jcm  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:40:43pm

Audio of seagulls:

[Link: www.reelwavs.com...]

12 RTLM  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:40:56pm

btw - The California Gull is the Utah State Bird.

13 Krampus  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:42:12pm

It's a bird's life.

14 PSGInfinity  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:43:17pm

Just another day in Paradise...
I wonder what its like to live totally in the moment, not a care in the world...
Oh, yeah; kinda like a two year old. Or Ward Churchill...

15 PSGInfinity  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:44:04pm

#13 Krampus

And we're just targets?

16 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:44:36pm
17 jcm  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:44:38pm

#12 RTLM

The Miracle of the Gulls.

The Gulls
retold by
S. E. Schlosser

In the year of our Lord 1848, vast swarms of crickets descended upon our settlement. Twas a judgment upon us, yea certain, for how else could you explain the desecration of our crops, the dimming hope of survival for the coming winter?

We tried rude methods to destroy the insects: some attempted to burn the crickets, some tried to drown or bury them. But alas, nothing, not even our prayers for deliverance, seemed able to stop the massive destruction of the crickets.

Then, when we had lost all hope, the morning sky was filled with the hoarse cry of gulls and the sound of wings. Before our eyes, thousands of gulls descended over the Great Salt Lake and commenced a great feasting upon the crickets. Twas a miracle of God. Every day the gulls came to eat the crickets until there were no more crickets left. Our crops were saved and we survived the following winter.

* Based on a true story, this story explains why the California gull is the Utah state bird.

[Link: www.americanfolklore.net...]

18 obscured by clouds  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:45:51pm
19 jcm  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:46:09pm

#15 PSGInfinity

That is so speciesist!

20 MandyManners  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:46:29pm
21 NY Nana  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:46:52pm

#6 savage_nation

No birds like that up here in Calgary.

You're a bit inland. :)

Want me to send you the ones we have here? We are right on the coast...and the village beach is a landing path.

Try Toronto. They have exquisite aim...I would imagine any place on one of the Great Lakes has the same problem.

22 So?  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:47:05pm

White bird
In a golden cage

in the rain...
Alone... well here you go

white bird must fly

23 So?  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:48:14pm

recorded version

24 Catttt  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:49:17pm

12 RTLM

Yes, because seagulls ate their locust plague. Years ago, we were watching a western where a locust plague hit, and my mom started to cry. Turns out when she was a little girl, their farm had a locust plague hit - it was incredibly traumatic. The TV show brought it all back.

For similar childhood trauma reasons, she didn't like eagles. She saw one carry off a calf once.

25 DesertSage  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:50:44pm

I hope that bird lives in Ejectia.

26 RTLM  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:51:03pm

#17 jcm
Hungry birds. I was on the beach and saw a gull steal a 7 year old's sack lunch and atttempt get airborne - kid gave chase and managed to get close enough, the bird had to drop the sack and fly off. LOL.

27 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:53:50pm
28 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:54:16pm

Corgi eating artist sets mashed potato target

"I am being buried in a box -- a David Blaine type thing -- in Dublin underneath a metre of mashed potato," he said. He did not explain why.

/because he's an attention whore?

29 Catttt  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:54:44pm

18 obscured by clouds

Oh dear. Man, a car is not worth your life! That's awful. I'm glad they caught the guy before he could skip out.

30 jcm  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:55:33pm

#26 RTLM

Here in Seattle we have water front deak dining. Seagulls included. At Ivars Seafood Bar, they'll set up a landing pattern for tossed or held aloft french freedom fries.

31 pat  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:55:40pm

I note my local paper not only has multiple editorials in every issue supporting the shamnesty bill, but now there is one questioning the sanity of anyone who opposes it. the author is a fellow named Hernandez who just happens to be a hard left Democrat. WTF?

32 new2thezoo  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:56:42pm

Having worked in the teen magazine industry for many years, I find this very disturbing.

33 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:56:47pm
#26 RTLM

Hungry birds.

If you're ever in downtown Chicago, flip a donut on the sidewalk.

/watch what happens

34 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:59:00pm

G-d bless our boys & girls! (the bird IS the word)

35 PSGInfinity  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 9:59:17pm

#19 jcm

"That is so speciesist!"

[hangs head in shame]

36 jcm  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:00:49pm

#32 new2thezoo

Lots of uncovered hair send out those rays and causing men to lust.

37 wee fury  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:01:03pm

This must be the Bird of Paradise

38 NY Nana  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:02:10pm

#28 Killian

He must be a member of this party...

39 pat  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:03:56pm

#32 new2thezoo
Watching History Channel on the Taliban. Afghanis are confused when the Taliban take over because the veil and Burga are unknown. Note that they are still there. Who won?

40 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:03:58pm
41 RTLM  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:06:27pm
#30 jcm
Here in Seattle we have water front deak dining. Seagulls included. At Ivars Seafood Bar, they'll set up a landing pattern for tossed or held aloft french freedom fries.


I've never had seagull. Extra mango salsa please.

:)

42 DesertSage  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:08:49pm

I want the border sealed!

Why doesn't anyone in Washington hear me?

43 tblot  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:09:22pm

the seagull is like a politcal party and charles cool on the spell check

44 Live4Truth  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:14:10pm

Don't know why this imagery came to mind, but looking at that picture, I imagine someone who's been deeply involved in Islam, sensing that something's not right, and then going it alone, flying away to freedom, heading off out into the unknown, with all of the difficulty and struggles that entails, but concluding that it's worth it just the same, because there's a big world out there, and they want to be part of it.

45 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:15:08pm

Karzai swaps top Taliban body for hostages

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — President Hamid Karzai ordered swapping the body of a slain top Taliban commander in exchange for the release of five Afghan health workers kidnapped in the country's south, an official said Monday.

Karzai told "relevant authorities" to exchange the body of Mullah Dadullah, killed last month in southern Afghanistan, for a doctor, three nurses and a driver kidnapped March 27, said Abdullah Fahim, a spokesman for the Public Health Ministry.

/sounds fair to me

46 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:16:40pm

#18 obscured by clouds

"Sheriff Jenne identified the suspect as Abdelaziz Hamze, 24, of Coral Springs, during a press conference."

Being dismissed as "road rage." Note that the victim, Sandra Hall, was black. The savage racism of many Arabs is one of the dirtiest of the many dirty secrets the MSM keep on behalf of their petro-tick masters. We see the same thing in Darfur and all along the southern tier of the Sahara. Have for centuries.

We see it in Iraq, where Imans rail against the "negro occupation" by American troops and where some insurgents have admitted to cancelling attacks because there were no blacks among the targeted troops.

Imagine how these barbarians would behave if they weren't afraid that every other potential victim they meet had a gun in purse or pocket.

47 RTLM  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:19:18pm

What the Hell?!

Appears the Central Vally California Hmongs were planning a little war of there own - in LAOS.

The criminal complaint said Vang Pao, now 77, and the other Hmong defendants formed a committee "to evaluate the feasibility of conducting a military expedition or enterprise to engage in the overthrow of the existing government of Laos by violent means, including murder, assaults on both military and civilian officials of Laos and destruction of buildings and property." [] The defendants also attempted to recruit a mercenary force that included former members of the Army special forces or Navy SEALs, prosecutors said. (Vang Po, 77 year old former leader of) CIA-backed Hmong forces in Laos in the 1960s and 1970s as a general in the Royal Army of Laos, was charged.

"We're looking at conspiracy to murder thousands and thousands of people at one time," Assistant U.S. Attorney Bob Twiss said in federal court.

He said thousands of co-conspirators remain at large.


Hell don't prosecute them - put them to work.

48 Eri  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:19:55pm

Check out this political quiz which matches you with the most compatible candidate in the 2008 election:

[Link: www.speakout.com...]

My top match was Mike Huckabee at 55% (63% Social, 50% Economic). I'm interested to know what everyone scores.

49 Tigger2005  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:20:15pm

This is a response to Mr. Mom from the "Aussie Cleric" thread.

#61 Tigger2005
Read Ann Coulter's "How to Talk to a Liberal"
There is an entire chapter detailing how Darwinists have had to grope for, stretch and out and out fabricate GIANT sections of the "theory" of evolution to make it even quasi-scientific.

So, the geologists, cosmologists, biologists, chemists, paleontologists, DNA researchers, etc. are all in cahoots and are all fabricating huge amounts of evidence that all dovetails neatly to support evolution.

Do you realize what a vast, elaborate conspiracy theory you and Ann are proposing here? Frankly, it dwarfs 9/11 "Truthism." It dwarfs anything from the mind of Oliver Stone. But that's OK. Vast and elaborate conspiracy theories are only crazy when they don't support your point of view, I guess.

If you're an atheist, I believe you're just another "big chip on the shoulder" guy/gal like objectivist who posts here from time to time.

What did I say in my post to warrant this attack? I was speaking from my heart and trying to reach out to find common ground and understanding and mutual respect, and I get this "chip on the shoulder" comment. Where in my post did I give the impression that I was spoiling for a fight?

I have not posted as frequently on LGF in the past year as I did previously, but I suggest you look through my old posts before you make accusations like this.

Perhaps all the evidence you care to look at supports evolution. Look at the entire body of evidence before you decide to make assinine statements and conclusions.

Well, there's no way to look at ALL the evidence for evolution, because there's too much of it for any one person to examine it all in his or her lifetime. But I've looked at more than enough of it to be persuaded. You might want to read "Finding Darwin's God" by Kenneth Miller, a biologist and practicing Catholic.

Meanwhile, I haven't seen any evidence at all for creationism or ID. I've looked, but there's just nothing there but arguments from personal incredulity ("I don't see how this particular structure could have evolved through random mutation and natural selection, therefore it was designed"). Irreducible complexity is a discredited argument. If you could point out some actual evidence for me, I'd be glad to take a look at it.

I know, for one, I did not come from a monkey. I am in G-d's image and likeness.

I only became an atheist in my late 20's. Prior to that I was a believer. I had no trouble accepting that humans evolved from other species while at the same time holding the belief that all life had been invested with the divine image and likeness, but only humankind (so far) had evolved to be aware of this. Accepting evolution and believing in the divine are not mutually exclusive.

I am sorry you find it personally repugnant to think that one of your distant ancestors from millions of years ago was a monkey-like creature. I find it personally repugnant to think that I'm the same species as Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter, but that doesn't mean I'm not. In my book, among the hallmarks of being a conservative adult is a willingness to be realistic and to accept things one does not like if they are supported by overwhelming evidence. When someone tries to brush said evidence aside as being fabricated as part of a vast, elaborate, multi-generational, interdisciplinary scientific hoax, the word "denial" comes to mind.

50 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:20:25pm
51 NY Nana  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:20:35pm

For anyone who is fed up with Google, especially after Memorial Day? Try Scroogle.org:Powerful search tool without privacy violations.

[...]Privacy concerns are not the only controversy causing Internet users to look for alternatives for their searches.

For the ninth year in a row, Google this week declined to mark Memorial Day with one of its trademarked holiday logo modifications – something the company has done for the Chinese New Year, Valentine's Day, Halloween and other observances that have nothing to do with American patriotism or commemorations of military service or war dead.

Google has, in the past, highlighted special honors for Percival Lowell, Edvard Munch and Louis Braille. Lowell was an astronomer, Munch an artist, and Braille developed Braille writing for the blind.

But while the rest of the nation marked Memorial Day, Google did not.

Other days that have been honored have included National Teachers Day, Women's Day, Ray Charles' birthday, World Water Day and St. George's Day.

Besides overlooking Veterans Day and Memorial Day since the company's inception in 1999, it also has ignored Christmas.[...]

52 jcm  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:20:35pm

#41 RTLM

Guy is on the beach shooting gulls. He gets caught by a Fish and Wildlife Agent.

Agent tells him shooting gulls is illegal.

Guy says I know, but I am an out of work logger trying to put food on the table for my family.

Agent decides to cut the guy a break and issues him a warning.

As they part company the Agent asks the guy, "By the way what does gull taste like?"

Guy pauses and thinks, "Oh, 'bought half way between Bald Eagle and Spotted Owl."

53 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:23:25pm

As I have said many times, never give up your guns. This is especially true if you are African-American. Libs do not believe that black people can be trusted with guns. The rest of us, especially veterans, know that this is not the case.
The media goebbelists represent gun rights as a lily-white campaign by rednecks, panicked suburbanite racists, and defrocked Klansmen. That is one of the biggest of their big lies. Disadvantated minorities know that they cannot count on the police. Gun control in the inner cities is an utter failure, its only effect being to leave the law-abiding completely defenseless against the lawless.

54 pat  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:23:50pm

#46 Shiplord Kirel
What you say it true. See for instance:
[Link: www.westernresistance.com...]
The degree in which academics have covered the truth so as not to embarrass Afro-centric crackpots may destroy black society.

55 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:30:45pm
56 St. Pancake  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:32:08pm

48 Eri
Just took it. Almost the same. Durn, Ron Paul came in way last. :)

57 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:32:23pm

#47 RTLM

What an absolute disgrace, United States attorneys doing the Reds' dirty work for them.

"thousands of co-conspirators remain at large"

Make that millions, if the remaining enemies of communism in this country are willing to be counted. There will undoubtedly be a legal defense fund for these victims of communist subversion. All loyal Americans should contribute and the incoming President (if a Republican) should make sure that the responsible officials are duly and severely punished for their persecution of people who are seeking to liberate their country from genocidal communists.

58 Robert O.  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:33:17pm

Don't forget today is the Anniversary of the Six Day War!


Lessons of the Six-Day War

Today the world will commemorate the 40th anniversary of Israel's victory in the Six-Day War. This was one of the most convincing conventional military accomplishments of the 20th century, one which removed the threat of annihilation from the Jewish States for the following four decades.
During May 1967, Egypt's dictator Gamal Abdel Nasser and the leaders of Syria, apparently misled by carefully fed Soviet disinformation, mobilized their armies, and kicked United Nations peacekeepers out of Sinai. Nasser proclaimed "the Jews would be thrown into the Mediterranean." "Our basic objective will be to destroy Israel," he vowed May 26.
Nasser also closed the Straits of Tiran in the Red Sea, cutting Israel's maritime link to the Far East and Africa -- a casus belli under international law. Jordan joined the pending attack, while Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Algeria contributed troops and arms. The shadow of the Holocaust, which had occurred little more than 20 years earlier, again descended on Israel.
The key to Israel's victory was recognition that its was at stake. This led to full mobilization of the state and the people and creation of a government of national unity. The people and leaders had no choice but to become heroes overnight.

More at: Washington Times

59 jcm  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:36:29pm

Hijack a plane and you're a criminal.

Hijack a country and your a Head of State, get to speak at the UN, and receive diplomatic courtesy.

60 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:37:12pm

#28 Killian Bundy


"I am being buried in a box -- a David Blaine type thing -- in Dublin underneath a metre of mashed potato," he said. He did not explain why.

/because he's an attention whore?

The UK has some of the loosest standards for "art" in the Western world. I'm convinced "contemporary artists" know this, and they know full well they can get cash grants for doing dumb stunts, so long as they present things correctly. Just look up "Turner Prize".

(What am I working on my concept art skills for? I can just do something disgusting and stupid, call it art, and get U.S. fifty grand $$.)

61 pat  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:37:45pm

You would think it a rare day when the Whitehouse celebrated the death of a GOP Senator, but the RNC and the President are doing it now. Craig Thomas was firmly against the McCain-Kennedy bill.

62 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:40:08pm

57 Shiplord Kirel


What an absolute disgrace, United States attorneys doing the Reds' dirty work for them.

Especially since we owe the Hmong. They helped us, we helped them, now they get in trouble for doing what the CIA should have been doing anyway? F that noise.

If they want to raise an army to kick some genuine Communist butt, they should give me a call. I don't know how much use I'll be but I must be able to contribute somewhere. I'd love to get a crack at some real Commies.

63 carridine  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:40:10pm

#53 Shiplord: I underline your short, accurate description, and applaud the courage with which you posted it, Sir.

64 WrathofG-d  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:49:31pm

You know its difficult to look at GWB and Iraq and not see T.E. Lawrence and Damascus!

Just saying.

65 marinegrunt  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:50:24pm

Jonathan Livingston Seagull ?

66 Carridine  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:50:38pm
"The people of Israel formed a UNITY government... became heroes overnight!"

(paraphrased)

America will do exactly the same, when the time is right! Islamism is dead.

67 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:51:24pm
68 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:53:39pm

#63 carridine

Many thanks my friend.

I remember reading an article many years ago by a very liberal (in the old sense) professor at Saint Louis University. He believed that gun control primarily hurt minorities. He documented the rather interesting observation that the first really serious wave of state-wide gun control measures in this country were aimed at southern blacks during the Jim Crow era.
He also described his experiences as a voting rights activist in Mississippi in the early 60s, when a loaded .45 revolver was sometimes the only thing between him and a racist lynch mob. As some here will remember, other activists weren't so fortunate, or so well armed.
The article made some sense, especially as I started spending time in minority communities, and I have never forgotten it.
Like it or not, "call the cops" is a grim joke for millions of Americans.

69 victor_yugo  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:57:45pm

#52 jcm:

A man who had just moved to Maine asked a local why the seagulls aren't cooked for food, if they were so plentiful.

The local answered, "Well, if you put a seagull and a brick into the same oven, the brick would be done sooner, and probably taste better."

70 new2thezoo  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:57:52pm

#42 DesertSage

I want the border sealed!
Why doesn't anyone in Washington hear me?

Perhaps this might help answer that question.

71 Barrypopik  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:58:31pm

New York Sun: Islamists in the Courtroom
By Daniel Pipes
June 5, 2007

The decision by the Islamic Society of Boston to drop its lawsuit against 17 defendants, including counterterrorism specialist Steven Emerson, gives reason to step back to consider radical Islam's legal ambitions.

The lawsuit came about because, soon after ground was broken in November 2002 for the ISB's $22 million Islamic center, the press and several nonprofits began asking questions about three main topics: why the ISB paid the city of Boston less than half the appraised value of the land it acquired; why a city of Boston employee, who is also an ISB board member, fund raised on the Boston taxpayers' tab for the center while traveling in the Middle East, and the ISB's connections to radical Islam.

Under this barrage of criticism, the ISB in May 2005 turned the tables on its critics with a lawsuit accusing them of defamation and conspiring to violate its civil rights through "a concerted, well-coordinated effort to deprive the Plaintiffs … of their basic rights of free association and the free exercise of religion."

For two long years, the lawsuit roiled Bostonians, and Jewish-Muslim relations in particular. The discovery process, while disclosing that the defendants had engaged in routine newsgathering and political disputation, and had nothing to hide, uncovered the plaintiff 's record of extremism and deception. Newly aware of its own vulnerabilities, the ISB on May 29 withdrew its lawsuit with its many complaints about "false statements," and it did so without getting a dime. (...)

72 cbinflux  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 10:59:56pm
73 Da_Beerfreak  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:01:23pm
#48 Eri 6/04/2007 10:19:55 pm PDT

Check out this political quiz which matches you with the most compatible candidate in the 2008 election:

[Snip, links don't copy well...]

My top match was Mike Huckabee at 55% (63% Social, 50% Economic). I'm interested to know what everyone scores.

Tancredo 73%
Social 56%
Economic 83%
Not too bad when you consider how few questions were asked.
// {;-)™

74 Barrypopik  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:04:09pm

New London Olympic logo torches debate
By Martina Smit

The £400,000 new logo of the London 2012 Olympics was unveiled at a star-studded ceremony - only to be greeted by public dissent.

Within 12 hours, an online petition to "get this terrible logo dropped as soon as possible" attracted more than 13,000 signatures.

Of more than 6,000 votes cast in an opinion poll on the BBC website by midnight, almost half gave the logo the lowest possible rating.
(...)
Olympic bosses described their logo as "dynamic, modern and flexible".

But in online forums, contributors have described it as looking like a swastika, a smashed window, a couple having sex and a symbol of the "ill conceived mess" that the Games has become.

[A swastika looks like a couple having sex?--B.P.]

75 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:05:52pm

#71 Barrypopik

Just think of ISB as the Oscar Wilde of Islamofascism.

76 victor_yugo  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:12:57pm

#74 Barrypopik:

Well, whether you're looking at a swastika or a couple having sex, you can be sure someone's f***d.

77 RTLM  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:13:45pm

I've heard the beginnings of smart ass giggles (KFI John & Ken)about the so-called buffoonish attempt to blow up a aviation fuel artery between NY and NJ. The man who was picked up was a 63 year old Trinidadian muslim convert named Russell Defreitas. Four men were arrested, one was a former Guyana Parliament Member and Imam.
But there's a big picture here. I just learned Via American Thinker that Trinided is the provider of 65% of US Liquified Natural Gas.

An unappreciated aspect of the NYC airport plot is that Trinidad, which seems the focus of the terror plot, is a large supplier of natural gas to America ( 65% of America's imports of Liquefied Natural Gas-LNG.) Trinidad and its sister island of Tobago have a Muslim population estimated to range from 10-15% of their total population-including a recent influx of immigrants from Pakistan and Afghanistan-two fertile sources of terrorists.

LNG has always been considered a dangerous material; it is a highly combustible substance that is shipped to America in cryogenic form in large ships.

So maybe its not so shit funny John.

78 cbinflux  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:14:01pm

Note to W:
France gets tough on illegal immigration, setting quotas for arrests, expulsions
[Link: news.bostonherald.com...]

79 squarepeg  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:16:24pm

#74 Barrypopik

It does look simultaneously like a swastika and a couple having sex . . . or a foursome having sex.

It also looks like some sort of psychological test, an industrial warning, the packaging for a cracker box, a very crummy jigsaw puzzle, a bunch of barnyard animals fighting, and an Olympic logo designed by a committee.

80 NY Nana  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:18:07pm

#74 Barrypopik

Take a look at this..and the logos people sent in..most of them are excellent. I couldn't believe what they chose. It is the absolute worst.

There is also a poll...hilarious!

81 cbinflux  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:18:55pm

rtlm
LNG tanks and tankers have the potential of a small nuke.

82 steve  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:21:35pm

CAPTAIN MIDNIGHT


For all of you at LGF for your viewing pleasure

Steve

83 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:22:12pm
84 RTLM  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:23:07pm
#81 cbinflux
LNG tanks and tankers have the potential of a small nuke.

yup.

85 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:24:19pm

#6 savage_nation

Oh, Calgary has its gulls alright, or sh**hawks as they are known here.

If you are going to return to Calgary soon, or are going to be around for a while, we could meet for a coffee. I expect to be there tomorrow myself. I live about an hour and a half distant.

Enjoy your stay, regardless.

86 cbinflux  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:25:12pm

Yup. There was a thread and sub-threads on that a while back...

87 Steve  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:27:23pm

#81 cbinflux:

"France gets tough on illegal immigration, setting quotas for arrests, expulsions"

A couple years ago they would have got it wrong and deported the citizens of France instead of the illegal aliens.

88 brakes  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:28:20pm

Sorry for a 'hit and run;' and maybe this has already been linked. "Holocaust Diary of 14- year- old dubbed 'the Polish Ann Frank' unveiled." At Fox news.

89 RTLM  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:29:23pm

#86 cbinflux
could you link that - I'd like to check it out. busy weekend and monday unfortunately

90 Colonel Panik  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:30:34pm

#47 RTLM


What the Hell?!

Appears the Central Vally California Hmongs were planning a little war of there own - in LAOS.

The criminal complaint said Vang Pao, now 77, and the other Hmong defendants formed a committee "to evaluate the feasibility of conducting a military expedition or enterprise to engage in the overthrow of the existing government of Laos by violent means, including murder, assaults on both military and civilian officials of Laos and destruction of buildings and property." [] The defendants also attempted to recruit a mercenary force that included former members of the Army special forces or Navy SEALs, prosecutors said. (Vang Po, 77 year old former leader of) CIA-backed Hmong forces in Laos in the 1960s and 1970s as a general in the Royal Army of Laos, was charged.
"We're looking at conspiracy to murder thousands and thousands of people at one time," Assistant U.S. Attorney Bob Twiss said in federal court.

He said thousands of co-conspirators remain at large.


Hell don't prosecute them - put them to work.

I've been doing a little reading on the Hmong and Vang Pao this evening and apparently there were some in the Hmong community that felt that Vang Pao was raising money for his own self aggrandizement and had no intention of returning to Laos and taking on the Communists. Looks like they were wrong. I also get the feeling there are quite a few VietNam era American vets who felt that this was their last chance for revenge against the Communists and their enablers in the media, academia and the court system here in the US, and were girding for battle, either in the Laotian highlands or the US court system and media. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out over the next few months. This Twiss twit sounds like real piece of work. I'm guessing he is a Carter or Clinton appointee. "Conspiracy to murder thousands" ha!

What is it some folks say here? The time of torches and pitchforks is approaching?

TFK I'd be interested in your take on this if you are out there.

91 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:32:12pm
92 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:44:33pm
93 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:46:50pm
94 pat  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:47:14pm

#88 brakes
Ditto on this. Very moving. Bring a hanky.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

95 Jeff_McAwesome  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:49:23pm

#48 Eri

Took the quiz. I'm aligned with Romney at 58%. 56 social, 58 economic.

I guess I'm good at assessing candidates, because I was already a Romney supporter.

96 RTLM  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:49:50pm

Here's a pic a Vang Pao - tough looking sob.

Can't find a pic of Robert Twiss.

This things getting legs.

97 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:53:12pm
98 Colonel Panik  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:53:38pm

#92 savage_nation

#90 Colonel Panik

This Twiss twit sounds like real piece of work. I'm guessing he is a Carter or Clinton appointee.

Indeed he is a Clinton appointee. I found that little tidbit of info from the Clinton Purge.

Look at number 9 on that list in there.

Sumbitch. Well, as my dad likes to say, it's not that I am never wrong, it's just that I am seldom incorrect!

Good catch SN. There are a lot of legal shenanigans from the Clintoon years that have never been properly investigated. I am sure his wholesale firing of US attorneys was entirely politcally motivated. I'd be willing to bet that every single one of them was a Republican or an old school Truman/FDR/Scoop Jackson style Dem and not a '68er type.

99 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:54:04pm
100 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Jun 4, 2007 11:57:54pm
101 squarepeg  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:00:28am

#48 Eri

Since you ask, I got matched with Jim Gilmore. My reaction is: wtf?

I'm voting for the one who can sink Hillary: Giuliani.

102 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:02:16am
103 Colonel Panik  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:03:37am

from National Review Oct 1995

"The story of the Hmong has been a story of neglect and betrayal. Though they were paid and encouraged by the United States to resist the advance of Communism in Southeast Asia, most of them were left to a precarious fate when the Laotian domino collapsed in 1975. Now the Hmong betrayal appears to be continuing, with the support of the Clinton Administration: the United Nations High Commission on Refugees (UNHCR) and the government of Thailand soon may be closing the Hmong refugee camps and sending many of the 40,000 refugees still in Thailand back to Laos, where they are certain to face ruthless persecution.

Fortunately, Congress now is resisting the move and is mobilizing to assist the Thai-based Hmong in receiving permission to immigrate to the United States. In May, the House of Representatives authorized financial support for the resettlement of Hmong and other Southeast Asian refugees in the United States (though President Clinton promises a veto). Similar legislation may soon be adopted by the Senate.

Even if the repatriation of the Hmong is halted, reports from the camps in Thailand raise questions about the involvement of the UNHCR and Thai authorities in pressuring and even forcing Hmong to go back to Laos against their will. Staffers affiliated with Reps. Ben Gilman (R., N.Y.) and Lee Hamilton (D., Ind.) led a fact-finding mission to the Thai refugee camps in September 1994; Tim Bartl, a staff assistant to Rep. Steve Gunderson (R., Wisc.), and Hmong human-rights advocate Philip Smith visited the camps in December. Both groups found that, in an attempt to pressure the Hmong into returning to Laos, the UNHCR keeps them in prison-like conditions, including severely restricted food and water rations and a ban on communications with the outside world."

And the leftists want to whine about the f***in' Palis.

104 RTLM  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:07:33am

Robert Twiss - fourth from right, back row (bald, grinning)

105 Jeff_McAwesome  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:09:04am

#102 Savage Nation

Ron Paul clearly has the Ronmentum right now. He won the Democratic debate without even showing up!

106 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:11:08am
107 stuck-in-ca  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:11:50am

48- Eri


My top match was Mike Huckabee at 55% (63% Social, 50% Economic). I'm interested to know what everyone scores.

My top two were Hunter 70% and Tancredo 65%. And they are who I already support.

108 Jeff_McAwesome  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:13:52am

#106 Savage

I was referring to the LGF poll where Ron Paul got 65% of the vote. It was held on Tuesday night.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=2574 0&only

109 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:14:01am
110 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:17:47am
111 Jeff_McAwesome  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:19:46am

#109 Savage_nation

And that is a man I will march into Hell for.

Huh?

I don't understand all of the enthusiasm for Fred!. First, the man looks like he is about 1000 years old, second he talks and acts like he is too.

I suppose people will always want what they can't have, I'll be waiting to see how he does when he is an actual candidate and not a theoretical one.

112 RTLM  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:19:49am
#58 Robert O.
Don't forget today is the Anniversary of the Six Day War!

We may be due for another.

USS Enterprise Heads To Iran…

The Enterprise makes three. Three carriers and three strike groups, total.

This finalizes the first phase of military escalation against Iran that VP Cheney promised to the Gulf States.

The message we sent to Iran in Baghdad was signigicant only to people who don’t know better, like the media and dumb politicians. The real message is in the weapons of mass destruction, the instruments of the apocalypse of Iran’s nuclear facilities and infrastructure, that we have strung like a Damocles sword above their heads. Bush has made it quietly clear to them that we are going to strike. Forget Condi’s for-the-press face today. For many months now, while no one has been able to really see and understand, we have been waging a war of finality against Iran and her ambitions. While everyone in the media, and on the media’s receiving end, have been wringing their hands in anquish at our seeming impotence and inaction, the VP has been functioning as a nearly one man army/terrorist wreaking havoc through the halls of power in Tehran. Why do you think he has been taking all those trips through the region? To discuss the latest trends in couscous recipes? He has been shoring up relationships, building strategy, and waging the necessary war against Iran. Why is he about to visit all of Iran’s northern neighbors? Why has Iran been taking Americans captive in a feverish panic? Coincidence? Why is the architect of Iran’s nuclear program, Vladimir Putin, about to head to a private summit with Bush? Why all the posturing about a missile shield? It’s all about Iran, and Putin is working to get all he can as the price for his blessing.

This move isn’t on the Navy board just yet but it makes sense. One caveat - If you count the Bonhomme Richard (which I do) there are three Strike Groups there already. If we are sending the Enterprise’s very large group - 8 ships total - its better positioned in the Eastern Med. To assist Israel vs. LEB and Syria IF we launch on Iran. Looking forward to Dollard’s next on this.

113 Chuck Pelto  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:21:04am

TO: savage_nation
RE: Gosh!

"And that is a man I will march into Hell for." -- savage_nation

I sure hope it doesn't require THAT!

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Hell is empty and all the devils are HERE! -- The Tempest]

114 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:23:07am
115 Chuck Pelto  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:28:40am

TO: RTLM
RE: Forecast: A Long, 'Hot' Summer for the Middle East

Iran continues to accelerate it's nuke program.

The build-up of combat forces in Iraq continues.

The evidence that Iran is behind the insurgency in Iraq keeps coming out.

And I hear the Iraqi parliament is going to take a two-month hiatus starting in July...

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I hope our people in the Puzzle Palace are not overly arrogant. That tends to get people into a LOT of trouble. Especially against people as clever as our friends in Iran are.

116 Jeff_McAwesome  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:29:09am

#114 Savage

So you want Hillary in the White House? Because that's your alternative.

No, of course in the general election I would vote for any Republican over any Democrat.

I was just saying that I don't see what others seem to see in Fred!. And if you mean that Fred! is the only Repub that can win, I've gotta disagree with you there. I'm confident that Guliani could win.

117 Colonel Panik  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:29:21am

#112 RTLM


#58 Robert O.
Don't forget today is the Anniversary of the Six Day War!
We may be due for another.

USS Enterprise Heads To Iran…

The Enterprise makes three. Three carriers and three strike groups, total.
This finalizes the first phase of military escalation against Iran that VP Cheney promised to the Gulf States.

Speaking of Carrier Battle Groups, it is also the anniversary of the Battle of Midway-the turning point in the Pacific War.

Maybe that seagull is a good sign!
Cue the Victory at Sea music!

118 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:34:11am
119 Jeff_McAwesome  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:41:04am

#118 Savage

Talk about baggage, Clinton has it in spades. It is going to be a tough race, but if Hillary! is the nominee, I am confident that the big 3 (Guliani, Fred!, and Mitt) have a legitimate chance of beating her.

Just for reference though, the leader of the Savage Nation has said he is for Mitt at this point, for what that's worth.

120 RTLM  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:43:05am

Killian Bundy posted this bit of at sea Leisure Activity some time ago. I found it to be humorous - catchy, even.

nite all

121 Steak  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:02:16am

It's been a cloudy day in the South Bay. I'm in Hermosa, and its chilly and cloudy.

Some monday night Fred, for the Frednecks

122 Salem  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:03:03am

You people realize your kids are going trick-or-treating twice before the election? It's a long way off. That's why some Hillary dirty laundry is being released now, to get it out of the way. At this point, McCain could beat Hillary. She probably won't get the nod anyway, but when you look at the rest of the Democratic field, they may have to, even knowing they have no chance of keeping the closet skeletons from burying her alive right in front of everyone.

Obomba's done. You can't come back from being 9,990 off on a death-toll. His people are wasting their time.

Edwards isn't popular now, outside of Kos, but it's a long way off. This guy's frigging clueless, though. He won't clear the holster.

Biden's BACK, baby!

123 squarepeg  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:04:18am

#118 savage

Fred! on the other hand will wipe the debate floor with that skanks big fat ass.

He may debate gud, but I don't see enough ACTION in his past to make me march into hell for him.

I think Rudy can wipe Hillary up. He's enough of a social liberal to siphon votes from her.

Well, this discussion will be going on until November 2008, and I've got to get to sleep for now.

124 wildcat_clan  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:06:59am

#48 Eri: Duncan Hunter
Social 81%
Economic 63%
Total 70%


It worked for me, even had my top 5 down :)

125 freetoken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:10:22am

Well I took that quiz... and I too found Huckabee to be the closest match, but at only 48% (25% social, 63% economic). My lowest matched Republican counterpoint (yes, the one and only Ron Paul) still ranked higher than the highest Democrat (the ever boring Joe Biden.)

Huckabee is to self conciously a Christian, which is a no-no in the public arena. GWB is also but he had the family connections to overcome the opposition forces in his own party. Huckabee has no such luck.

The 63% score on Huckabee's economic policy was the only entry to break 50% for me... what that tells me I already knew...

None of the candidates inspire me to vote for them.

Meanwhile in more important news... oil is up strongly this morning in East Asian trading as news of TC Gonu blocking Gulf oil shipments are popping up on the newswires. Who would have thought... a hurricane in the Gulf of Oman! First time in modern weather history.

126 wildcat_clan  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:21:03am

#125 Free: All I can say is, "May the best man win", and if Duncan Hunter doesn't win then here's hoping 2nd best is an overachiever. I am a bit annoyed with all this reasoning based upon, "who can beat Hillary". Bring the pant suit, the large auriculated one or the Silk Pony on.

127 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:38:23am

Good Morning Dead Threaders!

New directions for Israeli academics

128 Mike C.  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:42:56am

Okay, that guitar thing a couple of threads down is pretty funny. But while I recognize the song name, not a note of it pops into my mind.

129 littleoldlady  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:46:43am

Here's a few notes. You'll recognize it immediately.

/and turn it off licketysplit

130 freedomplow  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:49:14am

Senator Joe Lieberman Gets Personal in Prague

Senator Joe Lieberman gave the keynote remarks at the reception to open the The Democracy and Security Conference in Prague Czech Republic on June 4, 2007.

Here Senator Lieberman shared a moving story about his wife, Hadassah Lieberman, and her family's connection to Prague:

131 MigueldowninMexico  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:53:17am

Good polling news:
11 months ago the right in Mexico had 35% of the vote and the left 35% of the vote. (Left and right are a simplification, but not completely inaccurate).
After months of the left doing all kinds of stupid and even evil things, the polls -as per a very serious polling company here- are:
49% for the right, 20% for the left.

And they keep on doing the same: harming people every time they protest. They are so bright, they know the way to succeed is to hurt others! Yes!

More of the same, please :)

132 Mike C.  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:00:19am

Good morning, dead thread.

133 littleoldlady  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:01:53am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

134 wildcat_clan  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:02:30am

131 Miguelito: Something to calm your nerves, my friend, and to cleanse the palate of the rest. Wash that Deep Purple right away.

135 freedomplow  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:04:53am

Drought unearths artifacts on bottom of Lake Okeechobee


Drought has uncovered what some are calling the most significant archaeological find in Palm Beach County's recent history

.

136 MigueldowninMexico  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:10:32am

wild_cat
WOW! just WOW!
I was litening to Deep Purple -Hush- five minutes ago!

Stop hacing my comp! ¬¬

The violin sounds impressing. Nice electronical sound. thanks :)

137 MigueldowninMexico  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:11:04am

Ahem...hacking. heh.

138 freetoken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:16:11am

#126 wildcat_clan

What can I say... Duncan is my rep and he does a decent job in that capacity but I don't think of him as presidential material. I suspect he is hoping to end up SecDef incase a Repub wins the election. Heck, he could even end up being SecDef for one Democrats.

Agree with you about the "who can beat Hillary" approach... that just doesn't sound to me like a way to pick a leader.

139 Mike C.  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:18:38am

Congresscritters on the move...

The more things change...

140 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:21:22am

Good morning, people.

Something cute for the early morning crowd...

Knut der kleine Eisbär

141 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:26:18am

#138 freetoken

Agree with you about the "who can beat Hillary" approach... that just doesn't sound to me like a way to pick a leader.

I sure don't want to pick a "leader" who can't beat Hillary.

142 MigueldowninMexico  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:28:04am

nonic
What a wonderful little bear :)
Thanks.

143 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:30:13am

#135 freedomplow

Drought has uncovered what some are calling the most significant archaeological find in Palm Beach County's recent history

Damn that global warming!

Oh... wait a minute...

144 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:32:23am
145 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:46:13am

here's another cute bear song. the guitar is awesome! =)

146 yochanan  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:06:09am

problem with this pol. match poll is that it does not give the same weight to things that i do even saying that the guy i am supporting (RUDY) is only a few % points different than the guy who matchs me the most.

147 yochanan  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:07:22am

GAZA
were arabs are arabs
and goats are worried

149 yochanan  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:14:35am

klina eisbar cute
gross eisbar fressen man

150 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:17:22am

Hello everyone!

Whew! First thing this a.m., let the dogs out, and the obvious aroma of skunk was filling this humid air. *whew & peee-ewww*

Here's a little ditty on Fred Thompson.

The campaign finance reform bill, sponsored by Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, angered many conservatives who believe restrictions on political donations violate free speech.

Thompson's support for the proposal was one of the reasons he was among just four Republican senators to support the McCain 2000 presidential campaign. McCain is also running for the 2008 GOP nomination.

"He was a reliable conservative in the Senate except for the McCain-Feingold bill, and that's because he was enamored with John McCain," Keene said.

151 ec marm  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:35:04am

EGYPT: MOSQUES THAT POLLUTE THE NILE CAN BE DEMOLISHED SAYS TOP CLERIC

Cairo, 5 June (AKI) - Any mosques or churches in Egyptian territory which pollute the river Nile may be demolished, the country's leading cleric Mohammed Sayyed al Tantawi, has ruled. Tantawi, who is the imam at the al-Azhar mosque in Cairo, the highest seat of Sunni learning, said "water is a common good which must be protected and respected by the faithful as it is a precious element in sacred texts and is used for ritual ablutions before prayer." more...

152 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:37:12am

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Police said Tuesday they have arrested two men suspected of involvement in the 2002 kidnapping and murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.
[Link: www.chron.com...]

153 ashan  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:37:16am

Oh, this is really, really rich!
Palestinians hurl rocks at Peace Now bus

Palestinians in Hebron hurled rocks at a bus filled with left-wing Peace Now activists following a demonstration the organization held in the city. No injuries were reported. A police vehicle was also pelted with rocks.
The Peace Now rally ended without incident.

Yeah, right.

154 windybon  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:37:17am
Many on the right remain angry Mr. Thompson supported the campaign finance law sponsored by his friend, John McCain. “There are problems with people giving politicians large sums of money and then asking them to pass legislation,” Mr. Thompson says. Still, he notes he proposed the amendment to raise the $1,000 per person “hard money” federal contribution limit. Conceding that McCain-Feingold hasn’t worked as intended, and is being riddled with new loopholes, he throws his hands open in exasperation. “I’m not prepared to go there yet, but I wonder if we shouldn’t just take off the limits and have full disclosure with harsh penalties for not reporting everything on the Internet immediately.”

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

155 BulgarWheat  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:38:17am

watching the news. Hillary is being introduced as being from the Mid-West.

So was Charlie Manson and Jeffrey Daumer...yawn.

156 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:42:41am

Good morning, Lizards!

157 Mike C.  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:50:24am

I hate editing.

158 Bubbaman  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:53:20am

Two hot stories this am...

The first is this novel "Islamist" solution to preventing illicit affairs; have hourly marriages.

Better yet, why get married at all when you can hit a car and then drag a woman to death?

159 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:54:39am

Bye, Lizards--have a great day.

160 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:58:19am

Bye Goddess

And off for me also!

161 # 17  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 3:59:30am

Surprise ?

Hebron: Palestinians throw rocks at Peace Now bus

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

162 WhiteRasta  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:01:28am

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

Suicide bomber shot in Iraq...

That's they way to deal with them.

163 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:07:56am

Notice Anything Different About Mrs. Clinton?

A magical transformation. Too bad she's still a socialist.

164 galloping granny  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:08:07am
EGYPT: MOSQUES THAT POLLUTE THE NILE CAN BE DEMOLISHED SAYS TOP CLERIC

Cairo, 5 June (AKI) - Any mosques or churches in Egyptian territory which pollute the river Nile may be demolished, the country's leading cleric Mohammed Sayyed al Tantawi, has ruled. Tantawi, who is the imam at the al-Azhar mosque in Cairo, the highest seat of Sunni learning, said "water is a common good which must be protected and respected by the faithful as it is a precious element in sacred texts and is used for ritual ablutions before prayer." more...

I'll lay you 99:1 odds that the only religious buildings that will ever be demolished under this law are churches. Expect to see demolition almost immediately. The older & more historically precious, the sooner it will be destroyed.

islam - the religion of pieces & hate

165 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:08:55am
166 humanity  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:20:08am

Am Yisrael Chai !

167 humanity  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:21:17am

#165 JammieWearingFool

Unactual link

168 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:22:10am

Law...what law?..Islam don't need no stinken law...

UPDATE: Broward Sheriff Ken Jenne announced Monday afternoon the arrest of a man at New York's John F. Kennedy airport in the dragging death of Sandra Hall, 44, of Fort Lauderdale.

[Link: www.sun-sentinel.com...]

169 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:24:53am
WASHINGTON, June 4 (UPI) -- The FBI says al-Qaida is issuing video messages in English to get Muslim extremists in the United States to carry out terror attacks.
Speaking on C-SPAN Television, FBI Director of Public Affairs John Miller said al-Qaida leaders have stepped up the tempo of their public messages in an effort to inspire others to compensate for their network's reduced ability directly to execute attacks.

"You see that they put out more communications than they used to, that they have picked up the tempo and pace a great deal," Miller said. He said al-Qaida's "ability to function as a corporate structure" had been impaired "because of the capture and killing of so many of its key leaders."

As a result, "al-Qaida has tried to put the message out to get others to step forward ... and do things in its name," Miller said. "I think what al-Qaida is counting on now ... is trying to develop and execute the major (attack) plan while at the same time putting out the propaganda fodder and hoping that others will take that ball and run with it. And they're counting on both happening at once

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

170 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:27:47am
Abbas: Palestinians on verge of civil war, says infighting worse than occupation


Published: 06.05.07, 13:27 / Israel News

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas warned Tuesday that his people are on the verge of civil war and said the infighting is worse than living under Israeli military rule.

Israel's capture of the West Bank, Gaza and parts of Jerusalem in the 1967 Mideast War was a ''black day'' for the Palestinians, who paid a heavy price for defeat, Abbas said in a televised speech. ''Regarding our internal situation, what concerns us all is the chaos, and more specifically, being on the verge of civil war,'' Abbas said. (AP

Gee...Israel belives in life...Islam loves death...that might be why... [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

171 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:29:58am

#165 Jammie

I emailed you the other day, as requested. Did you get it?

173 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:32:29am

3 wood,

Yes, I got your original and replied. Did you get my reply?

174 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:34:33am
Iran's president told the UN Security Council on Tuesday not to continue along the path of imposing sanctions on Tehran over its nuclear program saying it was like "playing with a lion's tail". The Security Council has slapped two rounds of sanctions on Iran since December


for its failure to stop atomic work which the West believes is aimed at building a nuclear warhead.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

176 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:35:11am

I want the opinion of the assembled Lizardoid host on something:

Should indicted traitor Adam Gadahn receive a Presidential pardon if he personally kills Osama bin Laden?
If so, should he also get the reward?

What about a reduced sentence rather than a pardon?
If so, by how much should it be reduced?

Should the US authorities make this offer publicly?

Personally, I am in favor of the public offer and a pardon, and a partial reward but not the full amount.

What do y'all think?

177 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:36:38am
178 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:37:12am
A man who is believed to have killed up to 100 million people in his life is to be the subject of a positive $60 million biographical film portrait, if a Hollywood producer gets his way.


Mao Zedong

"Challenging Heaven" by Steven North will tell the story of the founding of Communist China with Mao Zedong in the role of George Washington.

North is currently trying to romance Beijing into offering support for the project.

"This is a very positive portrayal of Mao, and we are hoping that once the script clears the approval process, China will come forward with services and support," he said.

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

179 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:39:35am
Shiplord Kirel 6/05/2007 4:35:11 am PDT

It won't stop anything...this is about Islam...and Iran is ready to make a move.

180 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:43:06am

3 wood,

Maybe there was a problem with the yahoo mail. I just replied from my regular email as well.

181 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:43:43am

Demons in Iraq...

Baghdad, 6 June (AKI) - Iraqi insurgents have experimented a "corpse bomb", a police official in the Nineveh province has told the pan Arab daily al-Sharq al-Awsat. According to Major Al-Karim al-Jibburi a group of armed men beheaded a local police officer near Mosul late Sunday, and then rigged his body with explosives and loaded it into a police car. When the policeman's colleagues came to retrieve his body- al Jibburi said - the insurgents triggered the device by remote control. It's not the first time that a corpse in Iraq has been booby-trapped with explosives but local security officials fear it could become a more frequent tactic.

Meanwhile, on Monday, an official of the interior ministry General Rashid Falih, accused Iran of supporting militiamen in Basra who were stirring up violence in the city. According to the official, members of the local coast guard are constantly involved in following vessels coming from Iran which are allegedly ferrying arms to Shiite insurgent groups

[Link: www.adnki.com...]

182 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:46:53am

More arrest in Daniel Pearl murder

KSM copped to it, but perhaps more are involved.

Then again, KSM copped to alot of things he may not have done.

183 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:50:11am

#158 Bubbaman

How could anyone be against the death penalty in a case like that?

That's called "depraved indifference to life."

184 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:51:24am

The love of a mother...sweet... [Link: www.vidmax.com...]

185 mollyshark  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:53:57am

I came out almost a tie between Guiliani and Richardson. I imagine because I'm more of a social centrist as far as religious/gay issues.

I don't understand the hype on Thompson yet either. He has a lot to say and a lot to show before I can make a decision on him one way or the other.

Back to coffee.

186 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:54:58am

No justice in death cult...

RIYADH, 5 June 2007 — A man, who died on Friday, possibly from a stress-related heart attack while in religious police custody, wasn’t breaking the law, according to Sheikh Sulaiman Al-Anzi, the head of the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice in Tabuk.

Al-Anzi said yesterday that it was determined after the arrest of 50-year-old Ahmed ibn Mussalam Al-Bulawi that the deceased was the driver of the family of the woman he picked up in his car, but he stopped short of admitting outright that the officers had made a mistake.

[Link: www.arabnews.com...]

187 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 4:56:46am

#166 Jammie and realwest (and other Yankees fans):

I never thought I would find myself saying this, but I felt sorry for Yankees fans last night watching DeSalvo try to pitch for the Yanks in the major leagues. He made the White Sox look good, and that is hard to do. DeSalvo has got triple A written all over him. You just know he will be a future Cub.

Hey Jammie, I spent some time the past two days talking to some connections I have, and got the inside skinny on that dust up every sports fan saw on the BooYaa network between Cub pitcher Zambrano and catcher Barrett in the dugout (and club house) the other day.

First you got to understand that Barrett may be the worst defensive catcher in the majors in the last 10 years. He is a converted 3rd baseman, and has no instincts for the position. I see players at the "A" level who could do a better job catching. His bat is what keeps him in the majors. Most of the pitchers know Barrett sucks behind the plate and can not stand pitching to him, especially Zambrano who is in his free agent year and looking for a big year for the huge payoff. Barrett sees Zambrano as an egotistical jerk who is all mouth and not much of a team player. So you do not have a warm a fuzzy relationship between the two to start with.

If you watched the replay of the pitch Barrett missed, he signaled for and set up to catch an outside slider. Zambrano crossed him up and threw a backdoor fastball, missing the spot he was supposed to throw to (and Barrett was anticipating) by about 3 feet. Ergo, passed ball (which really was Zambrano's fault). Barrett then multiplied the mistake by throwing the ball into left field and a runner scored from 2nd.

When they got into the dugout, Zambrano was hot and starts pointing to his head and yelling at Barrett "What are you thinking out there? Where's your head", implying that it was all Barrett's fault. You then saw Barrett point toward up and to the right and everyone miss-interpreted that he was pointing toward the scoreboard (as in you gave up 13 hits pal, not me) and the fight was on.

Actually, Barrett was pointing to 2nd baseman DeRosa, who was standing on the top dugout step and had seen the slider signal from Barrett, and knew Barrett was crossed up by Zambrano. Barrett was saying, "Ask DeRosa, he knows I called a slider." Zambrano realized his ruse to blame Barrett was now exposed, and reacted by then going after Barrett. Zambrano was out of the game anyway, so Piniella told him to shower and go home. At that point, Barrett was still in the game.

Barrett tried to clear the air with Zambrano in the clubhouse a few minutes later and Zambrano cold cocked him.

One other thing my sources told me. The players had a "players only" meeting about a week ago to discuss why they suck so bad. They pretty much decided it is all Piniella's fault.

And you Yankee fans think you have it bad this year.

188 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:02:49am

#151 ec marm
#164 galloping granny

They will be demolishing churches, for sure. And we'll hear Western "enviromental cases" supporting the destruction.

189 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:03:58am

Jammie - got your messages. Let me give you a considered reply in a few minutes. Got some alligators here to deal with at the moment.

190 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:06:57am

3 wood,

Yes, watching DeSalvo was painful. In fact, most of this season has been.

Trying to stay optimistic about a wildcard, but even that seems like a longshot now.

The Yankee announcers last night seemed to be pushing an Abreu-Dye trade. Any thoughts there? I'd take Dye, assuming they can re-up with him.

Abreu seems to be falling back into the bad habits that made him an outcast in the Philly lockerroom, and word has it he, Cano and Melky Cabrera seem to like the nightlife a bit too much.

I'll say this much for Piniella. He hasn't mellowed one bit since he played here. Joe Girardi was in the Yankee booth last night. He looks ready and refreshed for another managerial job.

191 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:09:49am

3 wood,

Take your time. Respond to either email; but I'll be in a meeting and at the yahoo email the rest of the day.

192 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:11:58am

#187 me

To follow- up, I realize my reference to DeRosa probably only makes sense if you know that short stops/2nd basemen look in at the catchers signals to anticipate the next pitch being thrown so they can postion themselves accodingly. Therefore, they know what is supposed to be thrown.

If the pitch is a fastball, they will shade the hitter to be a bit late on the pitch. If it is a breaking ball or change up, they will play the hitter to pull. If there is a runner on 1st base the pitch selection will also dictate whether the short stop or 2nd baseman will cover the 2nd base bag on a ground ball or steal attempt.

Incidentally, if you know this, you can quite often see shortstops/2nd baseman tipping off what the next pitch will be by how they position themselves just as the pitcher starts his motion.

Now back to politics.

193 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:23:19am

#190 Jammie

As you could see last night, Dye is trying to jerk everything and is pulling off the ball, causing his poor performance so far this year. Last year he hit 40 + taters and now thinks he is Henry Aaron. Once he stops trying to hit 5 run homers every time up, he should go back to being a solid hitter. He would be a good pick-up for the Yanks, as long as you realize he is not a long term answer. He has a lot of miles on him, and he had a severe leg injury some years ago that will catch up to him as he puts on another year or two. I think two years is all he has left in the tank. I know the White Sox are ready to ship him out to free up space on the roster for some kids in the minors they like. They think his arrow is pointed down.

Abreu is one of those guys who's production has mysteriously dropped now that steroid testing is happening. Hmmm, you don't suppose...

194 friarstale  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:26:00am

The word of the Day is "pig"
[Link: oed.com...]

pig, n.2 and adj. DRAFT REVISION Mar. 2006

Now chiefly Sc. and Eng. regional (north.).

Brit. /pg/, U.S. /pg/ Forms: ME (19- hist.) pygg, 15 pigge, 18- pig (now Eng. regional (north.), Irish English (north.), and U.S. regional); Sc. pre-17 peeg, pre-17 pege, pre-17 peig, pre-17 pige, pre-17 pigge, pre-17 pik, pre-17 17 pyg, pre-17 17- pig, pre-17 17- pigg, 19- peg- (in compounds). [Origin uncertain; perh. cf. slightly earlier PIGGIN n. (although see also discussion at that entry), and perh. cf. also PRIG n.2; perh. orig. a transferred use of PIG n.1, perh. on account of the resemblance of the vessels to a pig.

1. a. A pot, pitcher, jar, or other vessel, usually made of earthenware; a crock; (in pl.) crockery or earthenware generally.

b. pigs and whistles fragments, pieces; odds and ends, trivial things. to go to pigs and whistles: to fall into ruin or disrepair. Now rare.

2. A cinerary urn. Obs. rare.
Only in translations of Boece.

COMPOUNDS

pig-ass n. Obs. an ass which draws a cart filled with crockery.

1787 W. TAYLOR Scots Poems 79 Frae Phoebus' beams ye apes retire, Wi' your *Pig-asses.
pig-cart n. a cart filled with crockery for sale.

1898 Westm. Gaz. 25 Oct. 2/1 Sometimes the clanging of a ‘*pig-cart’ bell is heard far down the street.
pig shop n. a crockery shop.

1894 J. B. SALMOND Bawbee Bowden (1922) vi. 50 Ye wudda thocht it was ten hundred thoosand erthquakes in a *pigshop. 1896 ‘I. MACLAREN’ Kate Carnegie 226 His father keepit a pig chop [= shop].
pig-wife n. a woman who deals in crockery.

1787 W. TAYLOR Scots Poems 79 (note), Some ape Poets may be said rather to lead *Pig Wives' cripple Asses. 1821 Blackwood's Mag. Jan. 423 Already has the ‘Pig Wife's’ early care Mark'd out a station, for her crockery ware. 1951 N. B. MORRISON Hidden Fairing iv, The old pig-wife who, putting down her heavy burden of china, would have a gossip with Kirsty.

195 nature boy  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:32:00am

A moment of truth for the Israel Broadcasting Authority: Editor Admits: We Slanted the News:

We "pushed in every way possible the withdrawal from Lebanon towards 2000. In our newsroom, three of the editors had sons in Lebanon, and we

took it upon ourselves as a mission - possibly not stated - to get the IDF out of Lebanon... I have no doubt that we promoted an agenda of

withdrawal that was a matter of public dispute."

Ha! I knew it!

196 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:32:36am

#176 Shiplord Kirel 6/05/2007 4:35:11 am PDT

I want the opinion of the assembled Lizardoid host on something:

Should indicted traitor Adam Gadahn receive a Presidential pardon if he personally kills Osama bin Laden?
If so, should he also get the reward?


Why would he immolate his own GOD?
He doesn't have it in him
that kid is 100% follower.

197 JCM  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:33:05am

The quiz up at #48:

Arghh! I am slipping to the left... 3% agreement with Kookinich.

78% with Hunter.

198 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:35:24am
199 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:35:34am
200 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:39:07am

#197 JCM

I just did it

58% Hunter
55% Tancredo

201 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:40:58am

By the way, for anybody watching the Womens College Softball World Series, look for Tennessee to wrap it up tonight. For one, Tennessee's pitcher, Monica Abbott is untouchable right now, and will probably throw a shut out tonight. Arizona's hitters need to choke up ans horten their swings to catch up to Abbott's 70 mph heater and so far they seem unwilling to do so.

Second, Arizona's top pitcher, Taryne Mowatt, seems to me to have an injured throwing shoulder. She walks all over the mound between pitches now. which tends to be a sign of a pitcher in pain. Also, if you watch her throwing arm immediately after each pitch, she is twitching and cranking the arm around. All those are signs of discomfort. She has lost several mph on her pitches since the championship started, and is not challenging hitters any more with her fastball. I think Tennessee will hit her hard tonight, cause their hitters should now realize Mowatt can not blow it past them anymore.

202 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:41:10am

Good Morning Y'all from a warm (69 degrees going up to 88 degrees) and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

203 FriarsTale  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:41:52am

199 BZ
my dad used to sing us that song all the time when we were kids

204 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:42:32am

YO BABBA! How are you this fine morning?

205 Miss Trixie  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:43:37am

♪ Good morning {LGF} ♪ Another grey day in the valley and the sun's supposed to make an appearance by Thursday. I bloody well hope so.

{savage} Hey! You're in my old stompin' grounds!

:D

206 nature boy  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:45:59am

199 BabbaZee

Gosh... Thanks. Cheered me right up!

207 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:47:59am

#48 Eri - Hey, I took that test and it turns out I'm a Rudy supporter (56% and 58% and a (ugh) McCain supporter second (25% and 64%). Which is spot on with Rudy, but waaay off base with Mcain!
I demand a recount! LOL!

208 Trumpeter  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:49:53am

My nails have grow uncomfortably long during twelve days of travel.

Can't get even a small pair scissors on the aircraft.

Damn Muslim shitbirds.

209 Mike C.  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:49:55am

Well, I know ed's up by now. Where's our update on Cyclone Gonu ?

210 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:49:57am

#201 3 wood - Hey there! Good morning my friend, how are you today (and please, no talking about the Yankees; I'm in enough pain as it is! LOL!). How are you doing and did "we" play golf again recently (I've been working on my short game!)?

211 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:52:37am

Good morning all!

212 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:54:59am

#199 BabbaZee - I'm surprised that Harvard reached that conclussion; not surprised, however, that the MSM hasn't picked it up and run with it.
Just another example of what's happened to "journalism" in the MSM!

213 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:56:42am

#206 nature boy
good!


&

Good morning to everyone who just came in.


Friar your dad has good taste


{REAL}
Not so good pappy

{Trixie}


{PK}

214 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:58:13am

#194 friarstale

They gotta be kidding.

I know the OED well. Or knew, in a past life. And I would consider subscribing for onlline access.

But at $300 a year?!

No, thank you.

215 humanity  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:58:41am

Question of the Day :
Why Hillars support radical Islam ?
Answer :
Dream of Polygamy ?

216 Miss Trixie  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:59:43am

{realwest} Morning, darls *smooch* How are you today?

{Babalouey) Toots!

{Peace TCGTM} Wassup?

217 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 5:59:56am

#208 Trumpeter

That must be why allah invented emery boards?

Or was it Al Gore?

218 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:01:04am

my vote match was>>>>78% Hunter
75% Tancredo
73% Brownback

219 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:02:12am

Insh'allah, a strong Cat 2 tropical cyclone (its still a Cat 4 now) will smack Iran!


Nothing in the Atlantic tropics, but check out the sub-980 mb low forecast to form in the Northern Plains of the United States. Unheard of in June, rare enough in November or March!

I'm thinking an unusually active tornado outbreak with this tomorrow and again Thursday. As you can tell by the links, SPC is on it. I wonder if the set up for the last 100 fatality tornado in this country, in Flint, MI, June 8th, was similar to this. The next day in Worcester, MA, came up just a few bodies short of being the last 100 fatality tornado.

This morning, a pretty manly bow echo/MCS is racing towards Corpus Christi, where I have been drunk, and seen the park bench on the boardwalk donated by the Fawcett family (including Farrah, I suspect long before she was a University of Texas Tri-Delt). At 7:10 am CDT, the Cotulla, TX (Cotulla is a Polish name, not a Spanish name, and the Poles, Czechs and German settlers of Texas is why Tejano/Norteño music has accordions, and further, the oldest Polish community in the US is nowhere near Chicago, its Panna Maria ('Virgin Mary') Southeast of San Antonio) automatic weather station recorded a 70 mph wind gust, so some tree and powerline damage, along with quarter sized hail is possible.


Here in Houston, a 34º temperature yesterday suggests Spring is transitioning into Summer, and we may be starting our early Summer dry period, as the upper ridge from the East merges somewhat with the ridge over the Desert Southwest. In about a month, the ridge axis will shift a little further North, giving the Texas coast deep layer flow from the East, which is the end of capping/convective inhibition, and while severe storm season is over then, any weak disturbance coming in from the Gulf can enhance the normal late afternoon sea breeze generated showers and storms.

The water offshore Florida is still a tad cool for tropical cyclone genesis, but a week or more of generally quiet weather during the longest days/highest sun angles of the year should help get the entire Gulf to 30 to 32º by the time the meat and potatoes hurricane season, mid-August to mid-October, arrives.

221 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:03:07am
222 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:05:42am

#216 {Miss Trixie} - Good morning to you sweetie and *smooch* back atcha! I'm doing about the same as always, I'm afraid; how are you doing?

223 FriarsTale  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:05:56am

214 nonic

the Word of the Day is free
I must have put the wrong link
I'll try to find the right one

224 apachegunner  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:06:10am

Jonathon Livingston returns...or did someone already say that, I did'nt look...

225 WeaselZipper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:07:08am

Koran: Sura 47:4 "does not, as the column claims, call for the wholesale beheading of disbelievers. It says Muslims should strike disbelievers on the neck in battle". (ed-read behead).

Taliban Behead Doctor, Jihad Snuff Film to Follow...

226 FriarsTale  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:07:34am

here it is
[Link: oed.com...]

today's word of the day is Pig

227 WeaselZipper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:07:46am
228 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:08:07am

#176 Shiplord Kirel

Should indicted traitor Adam Gadahn receive a Presidential pardon if he personally kills Osama bin Laden?

What do you mean, in some sort of crime of passion involving a love triangle with a she-goat?

Honestly, I think the question is so academic as to be pointless.

229 TimeQuake  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:08:23am

I sent this story to that goof at Amherst Middle School, in reference to his Open Tent night.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Saudis are on a roll this year.

Beheaded...

83 in '05
38 in '06

81 already this year.

230 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:08:40am

Greets and saluts from the muggy NYC metro area. On the verge of stating the obvious: Abbas: Palestinian civil war is at hand.

Last night there was a PBS program on the Six Day War and some of the footage included stuff I had never seen before. It was pretty interesting, but the end appeared to have a pro-Palestinian bent to it. They had several people comment on what Israel did in the Kotel area after the capture of Jerusalem to widen the Kotel from a narrow corridor into a wide plaza, as though that was Israel's move to stake a claim to the city.

That, of course, disregards the Jordanian and Arab destruction of Jewish cemeteries in Jerusalem, destruction of synogogues and other religiously significant areas, and a constant denial of Jewish claims to the area.

On the plus side, the program pointed out that the Arabs refused to believe that Israel could win a devastating victory on its own and that Nasser and Hussein concocted a plan to blame Arab losses on US intervention on Israel's behalf. That should rebut those who think that the US can somehow be viewed as a neutral in this conflict. It also shows that the Arabs leaders will never take full responsibility for their own plight, or that of the Palestinians - it is always someone else's fault.

231 mama winger  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:10:21am

Good morning LGF friends ! It's a cool and cloudy day here on the Wisconsin-Illinois border. Maybe more rain today, Again. The mosquitos are loving it.

Reminder to all dog owners - have you given Poochie's heartworm medication this month ? Heartworm is spread by mosquitos.

232 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:10:38am

Babba

Got these in your collection?

Rivers of Blood speech full text

The Rivers of Blood speech was a controversial speech about immigration made on April 20, 1968 by the British politician Enoch Powell.

The Road to National Suicide full text

The Road to National Suicide was another speech on the topic of "race relations" and freedom of speech made on January 21, 1977 by British politician Enoch Powell.

233 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:11:08am

Anybody see that Hillary made her post debate morning appearance in a room full of masculine women, and was introduced by Billie Jean King, most famous for having defeated a 64 year old man when she was thirty years younger to 'prove' that woman can compete with men, but also famous for leaving her husband for her lesbian lover?


Hillary was in her element, and told the assembled women in comfortable shoes that she was waiting for a question "Senator Clinton, you have been accused of being ambitious, what do you have to say", to which she planned to answer "why don't you ask the men a question like that?".


I have read, here and there, rumors that Bill told his friends Hillary wouldn't have a child with him, which he figured would help his political ambitions, and in fact Chelsea was conceived in a hotel room in Bermuda when Bill raped Hillary.


It would explain quite a bit, why a supposedly brilliant women lawyer, no shrinking violet, would tolerate serial adultery from her husband. Win/win, really. Hillary gets a free ticket to the governor's mansion, the White House, the US Senate from a state she never lived in, and the lead in the Demonrat race, Bill gets a woman who never gets jealous and permits his frequent tryts.

234 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:11:49am
235 humanity  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:12:28am

hey Babazeee

Am Yisrael Chai !

236 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:12:42am

#232 nonic 6/05/2007 6:10:38 am PDT

Babba

Got these in your collection?

Now I do, LOL

I'll read them thanks

237 Midwestprof  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:13:42am

#48 Eri 6/04/2007

Check out this political quiz which matches you with the most compatible candidate in the 2008 election:

[Link: [Link: www.speakout.com...]...]

My top match was Mike Huckabee at 55% (63% Social, 50% Economic). I'm interested to know what everyone scores.

My top 2 were Duncan Hunter at 70% and Tom Tancredo at 68%. Hunter matched Social at 81% and Economic at 63%.

This seems to be correct. I always did support Tancredo, but listened to an interview with Hunter the other day and really liked what I heard.

Surprisingly, Bill Richardson was 1 stroke above Ron Paul in my outcome. Hmmm.

I scored as a Hard-core Conservative, which is not quite right. I'm a more moderate conservative, but this immigration issue has pushed me to the right more.

238 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:13:57am

#235 humanity

Am Yisrael Chai !

;~}

!VIVA LA ANTI-GHANDI JEWHAD REVOLUCION!

239 humanity  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:14:29am

#221 nonic

Servus! was gibt heute ? Grüntag!

240 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:16:08am

#226 friar

Okay. Thanks. :-)

But still. When I saw your first link, I jumped on it, because I would love to have online access to the OED.

But not at that price.

I had a subscription to the Encyclopedia Britannica, which was only $5 a month.

That's lapsed. I'll probably pick it up again.

That's a reasonable price.

Thanks again. :-)

241 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:18:12am

I cant match any candidates past 50 something percent because there are so few other people who are as conservative as I am on most things and yet still insist that pot should be legalized.

LOL.

WFB would have to run for me to get a serious match.

242 WeaselZipper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:19:33am

#181 storagemanager

Thanks for the hat tip.

243 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:20:04am

#229 humanity

Sorry, my German is not that gut.

Whaaahhh?

244 loppyd  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:21:02am

Good Morning, One & All!

What's the skinny this morning?

246 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:21:52am

Free today at WSJ Opinion Journal...

No Pyrrhic Victory
Most of the conventional wisdom about the Six Day War is wrong.

BY BRET STEPHENS

247 mama winger  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:23:17am

I'm sitting at my daughter's house waiting for the air conditioner man. I hate her laptop. None of my favorite bookmarks are on it and I don't know where half the keys are. And I can't figure out how to cut and paste and quote.

Thus endeth my morning whine,

248 Miss Trixie  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:23:58am

realwest

how are you doing?

*sigh* without.

:P

249 mama winger  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:25:30am

Coming up next on FOX News:

"Your dog may have more cognitive abilities than you think."

Obviously they have never met my greyhound.

250 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:25:43am
251 mama winger  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:26:42am

On the other hand, my Golden Retriever is smarter than a fifth grader.

252 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:28:15am

#220 Carl in Jerusalem

Netanyahu: 'We're unbeatable - so long as we have the mountains of Judea and Samaria'

I fail to see how asserting Israel's right to sovereignty over all of Judea & Samaria would make the Palestinians hate Israel even more than they do now.

253 Ma Sands  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:30:56am

#251 mama winger

That's why they put that "may" in there... :)

254 humanity  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:31:00am

#238 BabbaZee

Yes it must... there are two news coverage for today... and two special points to note... Perhaps 2 special points Americans should learn from Hindus...

one is Here... reminding me of Jihadi killings made by Muslims around Indian subcontinent in 1947/48... and recently found letter had refreshed every part of History...

A letter written by Mahatma Gandhi 19 days before his assassination where he pleads for tolerance of Muslims in newly-partitioned India is among the handwritten treasures from the private collection.

and the other part is here, in todays edition of "familysecuritymatters"

Exclusive: Wake Up America! Tolerance Is Cultural Suicide When It’s a One-Way Street

At last... Leftist move on Gandhi's way... and Gandhi words are here...

On 23.9.1947, during a prayer speech, Gandhi said, '(Even if Muslims) killed our relatives, our people, why should we be angry with anyone? Those who got killed met with a proper end. We should know that they attained heaven. Let this happen with Gods' wish with each one of us. God should grant us this kind of death. If you want to ask God for anything, let it be this

I rather believe in my Freedom, and I respect "Aayan Harsi Ali".. so I will repeat her words...

I am accused of hating Muslims and vilifying their Holy Book and their prophet. I do not hate Muslims. But yes, I detest the submission of free will.


Am Yisrael Chai
Hindu zionist ;)

255 humanity  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:32:38am

#243 nonic

#229 revisited in English

What is today ? Green's Propaganda day ?

256 mama winger  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:34:23am

#253 Ma Sands

HA! I think you're right.

How are things in Minnesota ? We have had several cold and rainy days here.

257 humanity  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:35:18am

#245 Ben Hur

Your Memri link... that was Fatiha

258 jcm  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:35:24am

Duncan Hunter
Total 78%
Social 81%
Economic 75%

Sam Brownback
Total 73%
Social 69%
Economic 75%

Tom Tancredo
Total 70%
Social 63%
Economic 75%

Mike Huckabee
Total 60%
Social 56%
Economic 63%

Mitt Romney
Total 58%
Social 63%
Economic 54%

Jim Gilmore
Total 53%
Social 56%
Economic 50%

Rudy Giuliani
Total 50%
Social 44%
Economic 54%

John McCain

Total 50%
Social 44%
Economic 54%

Tommy Thompson
Total 43%
Social 50%
Economic 38%

Bill Richardson
Total 40%
Social 63%
Economic 25%

Ron Paul
Total 28%
Social 13%
Economic 38%

Joe Biden
Total 18%
Social 31%
Economic 8%

Mike Gravel
Total 15%
Social 0%
Economic 25%

Barack Obama
Total 10%
Social 19%
Economic 4%

Chris Dodd
Total 8%
Social 13%
Economic 4%

Hillary Clinton
Total 8%
Social 13%
Economic 4%

John Edwards
Total 8%
Social 19%
Economic 0%

Dennis Kucinich
Total 3%
Social 6%
Economic 0%

259 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:35:40am

Re my own #207 - I scored as a Moderate Libertarian Conservative! WTF is that?!

261 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:36:05am

#254 humanity
Thank you for those links

I will use them eventually because GHANDI is one person I want to post on very soon, I have a list - {Called Stealth Beasts, it's LONG haha} but it's been hard to get out from under the every days news and then the lat 4 days my hands give me much trouble so I couldnt work like I normally would.
BTW I knew it was you immediately.

262 Ma Sands  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:36:13am

#256 mama winger

Glorious! So many flowers blooming all over the place.

Good thing too...need something to cheer me up --going to the dentist today for the first time in many years...

263 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:36:13am

#255 humanity

Green's Propaganda day ?

As in, environmentalism?

I just think Knut is a cutie (not that I want him growing up near me, thank you!) and the combination with that song is particularly cheering.

264 humanity  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:37:02am

#246 nonic

BBC is also propogating the same message ...

I will upload a video in evening... which we might need to spread, by email ...

265 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:37:16am

# 252 Kenneth

I agree but I'm not sure what you meant to ask me.

266 coz  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:37:24am

Good Morning from the Land of Coz!

267 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:37:49am

Things that make me go ARRRGGGHHH! Our local leftist newspaper has a story on a soldier killed in Iraq. So far so good but then they go and do something like this.

On Sunday, a couple of hours after coming home from church, George and Ruth Dunham discovered nearly two dozen tiny American flags in the front yard of their Decatur area home.

snip---


Dunham's son, Sgt. 1st Class Robert E. Dunham, died May 24 when his Humvee was hit by a roadside bomb near Baghdad. The 36-year-old husband and father was stationed at Fort Gordon in Augusta.

And then the dumb part

Robert Dunham was a career Army officer who enlisted 19 years ago, after graduating from high school in Baltimore. He was stationed in Germany, Kansas and Arkansas before settling in Georgia.


A Sergeant First Class (SFC) is a Non Commisioned Officer (NCO) NOT an officer. I have a little bit of knowledge on this since I retired from the Army as an SFC.
Don't they have anybody who can check their military stories? Oh the newspaper is the Atlanta Journal Constitution and it requires registration to see the story. It does go to show how far removed the average citizen is from anything military related, and you are supposed to believe their reporting on the conduct of war?

/rant off

268 humanity  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:37:56am

#263 nonic

No, I am sick of Indian Media...they are blaming us the human for this... so should we stop breathing...

269 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:39:43am

#258 jcm - That's really weirod - I mean I know Rudy was waaay down on your list, but you scored exactly the same with him as with McCain. Rudy was my first choice and McCain was my second choice with almost the same numbers as Rudy (and your Rudy and McCain scores were the same). Who the hell did the questioning and anyalysis of this test? I love Rudy and hate McCain and they aren't anywhere near as close on the issues as that poll or whatever makes them out to be.

270 the anti-jihadist  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:40:54am

I just got another counterjihad article of mine posted at (pro-Muslim site) Malaysia Today. Have a look, my fellow lizardoids! Consternation to the enemy!

Link:
[Link: malaysia-today.net...]

271 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:43:31am

Another setback for the "spring offensive"

Two dozen expired Taliban.

Oh well.

272 loppyd  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:43:55am

I took Eri's quiz...

Looks like Duncan Hunter is my man.

Mitt will be so jealous. :)

273 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:44:33am

#270 the anti-jihadist
Mazel Tov yet again!

274 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:45:03am

I can't wait for the MSM to stop covering the 6 Day War anniversary.

It's before 10am and I'm already pissed.

275 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:45:45am

{loppy} {coz}


Shalom to whoever I missed


BBL

276 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:46:05am

OT Lebanese-American Muslim drags African-American Christian To Her Death

This is a mock headline of a sad, tragic, and real story. A real headline should read something like "Horrible Man Murders Woman".

But haven't certain identity politics demanded this sort of topical tastelessness?

Sincere prayers are needed for the family of Sandra Hall. If you pray, pray for her and hers.

277 mama winger  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:46:31am

I can't seem to take the poll on this dumb laptop. If I did, I'm sure it would say that I am right in line with Saul of Tarsus.

278 loppyd  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:47:22am

{BabbaZeee}

279 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:47:23am

Oh, and Syria is saying that they're preparing for a summer war with Israel. No doubt Hizbullah will be playing a role in this.

And yet Syria says this is all about Israel's intent to go to war.

Right.

Israel isn't in the mood to go to war with anyone, let alone someone who hasn't directly attacked them in a few years. They've got a war on their doorstep in Gaza and aren't doing enough to deal with that threat, and the Syrians think that the Israeli leadership is pushing for war against Syria? Olmert is daft, but he wont bumble into a war with Syria - if he did, he would have done so last year by bombing the hell out of the Lebanon/Syria border during the Hizbullah war and destroying everything that moved across the border.

280 apachegunner  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:47:51am

errr WeaselZipper #225, shouldn't that "strike" be "smite"?

281 coz  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:47:56am

Tuesday's edition of meaningless information:

In a 1631 edition of the King James Bible - in Exodus 20 verse 14 - the word "not" was left out. This changed the 7th commandment to read - "Thou shalt commit adultery." Most of the copies were recalled immediately and destroyed on the orders of Charles I. But there are 11 copies still remaining. They are known as the "Wicked Bible." (The Bible museum in Branson - Missouri has one on display.) The printer was fined the equivelant of $400.

The word "not" was also left out in the 1653 edition. In 1 Corinthians 6 verse 9 it was printed: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall inherit the kingdom of God" - instead of ""Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God." Again it was recalled immediately (- dashing the hopes of many!). It is known as the "Unrighteous Bible."

The Murderer's Bible - printed in 1801 - declared: "these are murderers" (instead of murmurers) and continued - "let the children first be killed" (instead of "filled.")
Perhaps the error in Psalm 119 verse 161 in a 1702 version summed it all up: instead of "princes" it read - "printers have persecuted me." It is known as the Printer's Bible.

The first book that Johannes Gutenberg printed in 1454 was the Bible. It is thought that he printed about 180 copies - known as the 42-line Bible - of which significant parts of 48 copies still survive. Gutenberg did not make any printing errors.

282 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:48:11am

humanity

Time for another Reformation.

283 The world of fuzziness  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:49:41am

There is an article at the Front Page Magazine: "My Trip to Kosovo and Bosnia."

The mind boggling blindness of politicians of this continent (Canada also took part in bombing of Serbia).

284 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:49:41am

#274 Ben Hur - Good Morning Ben! I'm surprised you still watch/read the MSM in any event (unless you mean FOX NEWS)! You really need to lay off the MSM it is truly NOT GOOD for your Blood Pressure!
Or you could just wait until that time period in the 6 Day War when Israel started kicking asses and taking names; methinks the MSM will lose all interest in the story at that point!

285 abolitionist  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:49:42am

#182 JammieWearingFool

More arrest in Daniel Pearl murder

Last month I posted that several news reports had just come out about the death of a "detainee" in Pakistan, related to the Daniel Pearl case.

Almost every one had an emphasis on ownership of the property on which Daniel Pearl's body was found, or where he was held captive, in the first sentence of the first paragraph. Some even had owned [or owner] as the second word of the headline.

Of course, there was no mention of the Sheikh Raschid Gilani or the Raschid Trust. And to my knowlege, none of the news stories in mid May mentioned that Saud Memon had been a chief financial officer in the Raschid Trust. Instead, he was described as the owner of the properties.

Corrections:
Same/similar names, but father and son, I believe. Sorry for any previous posts that suggested they were the same person:

This General Rashid Ali al-Kaylani (also al-Gilani), was allied with the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, in Iraq and in Berlin in ww2, and died in Beruit in 1965. (Husseini died in Beruit in 1974.)

This Shiekh Gilani, beginning in 1980, founded Muslims of the Americas and several Jammat ul Fuqra settlements in Canada and the US, and is currently living in Lahore, Pakistan.

Which of them has an airport near Baghdad named after him, and which established the Raschid Trust, I don't know.

I'd previously posted that Gilani had been arrested in Pakistan shortly after the murder of Daniel Pearl. But that was a different Raschid Gilani --from South Africa, born about 1970.

286 coz  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:50:08am

{Babba}

you rock!

sent the info from your site to the folks.

I'll keep you posted on Mom's conversion from anti-Israel lunacy into reality.

287 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:51:00am

265 Carl in Jerusalem

I agree but I'm not sure what you meant to ask me.

I guess I'm not really asking anything, just chiming in. I like your blog, it keeps me aware of interesting stuff in Israel.

288 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:51:39am

#274 Ben Hur
Last night on my local PBS channel they had a show about the Six Days War and the general tone was how Israel humilated most the Arab leaders of the time by their dismantling of their armies. They focused on Nasser of Egypt but spent considerable time on Moyse Dian (sp. Overall it was balanced but also showed how close it came to igniting another World War when the Soviets started sticking their nose in.

289 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:51:40am

#264 humanity

I can't imagine that the BBC is saying anything pro-Israel... which the Wall Street Journal is. The Bret Stephens piece I linked at #246 and the WSJ editorial which blasts British anti-Semitic boycotts.

290 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:52:25am

Effin' Log In logged me out again! Can ANYONE out here tell me how this log in thingy works?

291 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:53:36am
More people have fled their homes in Oman's eastern coastal towns as a powerful cyclone approaches the oil-rich Gulf area, police officials said Tuesday.

Cyclone Gonu, with winds of 160 miles per hour and gusts of 195 miles per hour, is heading northwest through the Indian Ocean toward Oman's east coast.

Authorities on Monday evacuated nearly 7,000 people from Masirah, a lowland island off the east coast of Oman, said General Malik bin Suleiman al-Muamri, head of the country's civil defense.

He said that a state of emergency was declared in the affected area, including mobilizing army and police forces to help provide shelter and medical services.


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

292 vxbush  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:53:58am

*Yawn*

Morning, everyone. Builders are still working at my house, and so I have a toilet but no bathtub. This is going to get interesting after a few days...

293 mama winger  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:55:50am

#292 vxbush

A toilet but no bathtub?

I better not comment :)

294 jcm  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:56:32am

#269 realwest

I noticed that also. I am really worried about the 8% agreement Hillary.

Last election a similiar quiz for the entire presidential field, I scored highest the Constitution Party, Republicans were 4th or 5th.

295 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:56:37am

#286 coz
I will be praying on it!

/pop back out

296 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:57:05am

#283 The world of fuzziness

The mind boggling blindness of politicians of this continent (Canada also took part in bombing of Serbia).

My worst memory of our Yugoslavia "peace-keeping" mission was the capture of several Canadian soldiers by the Serbs, made possible by absurdly restrictive ROE. The soldiers were chained to Serb ammo dumps to prevent NATO from bombing them. They then videotaped the men and our media ran the tape on our TV "news" shows.

297 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:57:09am
298 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:57:10am

#292 vxbush

Do you or one of your neighbors have a pickup truck?

300 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 6:58:43am

#281 coz - Hey good morning to you! And thanks for another chapter of meaningless information.
But, uh, what makes you think the "not" was left out of the adultery commandment? I mean, suppose it was supposed to be Thout shall commit adultery?
I, uh,nevermind! LOL!
Seriously though, I really appreciate these daily
"trivial" information bits you give to us and hope you keep it up!
How are you doing this fine morning?

301 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:01:18am

Bush the Castrato

Nice to see Bush responding to Putin's threats of "aiming missiles" at Europe if we proceed with the Missile Defense Program. What did Bush say to Putin when Putin threatened the west “cold-war style”? Bush said something like ‘send your generals and politicians and agents to overlook what we’re doing.’ Bush also said the Cold War is over. Maybe for you, “W”. Maybe for the republicans who like to claim Reagan won the Cold War (which he did). But the Ruskies are back. Reagan’s legacy has been woefully neglected and lost by idiot “W” and his lackeys. The Middle East assholes are no longer afraid of us – they know we won’t wage Total War. The Russians do not fear us – they know the European continent is conquered by fear and won’t support our missiles on their turf – and they know we won’t wage total war. South America is experiencing a successful Bolivarian revolution. Africa is degenerating into either a corrupt socialist or Islamist continent – depending on where you look. The American Southwest and, increasingly, parts of the American Southeast, crucial to republican successes, are less and less American by the day. Ask yourself – what has Bush gotten as opposed to what has Bush lost? Are a couple Supreme Court Judges and temporarily lower taxes worth everything else? The man who runs against Bush and his record from the right will win the nomination and the presidency. Face it folks – we – you and I – have been duped by “W”.

“Duped by Dubya” would make a great bumpersticker.

(And now that it’s here at LGF I will demand compensation-I’m a capitalist after all)

302 looking closely  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:02:18am

Absolutely disgusting puff piece on "Palestine" from AP:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

No mention of Palestinian terrorism, the attempt of the Arab nations to destroy Israel, or the ACTUAL (not borderline) shooting civil war going on in Gaza.

Even Abbas is saying things were better when Israel was in charge.

303 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:02:29am

#288 Just_A_Grunt - Good mornning to y'all! Um, did that show just happen to mention how the US made Israel stop the war, as Israel had one armored division and I don't know how many grunt infantry divisions literally sitting in the suburbs of Damascus, ready to take out the Syrian capitol?

304 coz  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:03:09am

realwest

i'm doin ok. thanks for the feedback on my useless trivia. i may not offer much in the way of substance around here, but if i can occasionally brighten somebody's day with my mundane lunacy, then, hey that's good, right?

305 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:03:26am

#271 jammie:

Hey, but a Taliban leader says that Osama wrote him a love note.

I question the timing. /sarc

Meanwhile, I question those whose skepticism is getting the better of logic and judgment on the latest terror plot. Why do so many people seek to minimize the kind of damage that could have been done by these plotters (and other terror plots that have been thwarted)? The terrorists have repeatedly demonstrated that they're going to attack the US, and some may succeed. Putting your head in the sand will not prevent attacks and minimizing the risks from the pipeline attack ignores the fact that there are plenty of people who would still have been killed or injured by the attack - and that the economic losses could have been staggering. Yet, apparently some feel that there are acceptable losses to be allowed.

Then, there's Keith Olbermann... whose grip on sanity and reality has never been in question - he has none.

306 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:04:08am

Ok, so what's this about a school in lockdown?

When are they going to let some select teachers carry SOME SORT of weapon for defense?

Really ends the chances of some kid mowing down classmates when the teacher has already tased them (or worse)

307 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:05:34am

#292 vxbush - Good morning! Y'all better be careful, I hear that toilet water is mighty cold!
LOL!

308 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:06:59am
A member of the Syrian parliament, Muhammad Habash, confirmed on Tuesday that his country was actively preparing for war with Israel, expected to break out in the summer, Israel Radio reported

[Link: www.jpost.com...] ..Get ready..

Lt.-Gen. Ashkenazi tells officer training course cadets army preparing for possible escalation on both Palestinian front and northern front. Defense Minister Peretz states Israel

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

309 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:07:30am

#281 coz:

The printer was fined the equivelant of $400.

Always be cautious about these comparisons. It says here he was fined £300, which was a HUGE amount of money in 1631 - remember, "pound sterling" originally referred to, literally, the value of a pound of sterling silver.

310 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:07:38am

#290 realwest

Effin' Log In logged me out again! Can ANYONE out here tell me how this log in thingy works?

I dunno realwest. I closed my browser yesterday, and reopened it today, and I'm still logged in.

311 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:07:56am

ARRRGGGHH! I just had to log in AGAIN, not fifteen minutes after I had to log in before!
WTH is going on with this Log In that I keep getting timed-out or something?

312 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:08:34am

#296 Kenneth,

While we're on the subject of the Balkan War, did you read yesterday that the survivors of Srebenica (sp?) are suing the UN & the Dutch government for complicity in the massacre? I didn't get a chance to read it & now I can't find the article anywhere.

313 godfrey  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:08:50am

Newsweek is noticing unprecedented immigration into Europe: Europe's invisible illegals.

314 The Albatross  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:08:52am

I like birds (The Eels):

315 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:09:07am

Syria won't do shit.

316 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:10:27am

Oh yeah, good morning all. Just wanted to let everyone know that June's bone scan back on 05/24 was clear, and the CT scan turned up four little sopts on the left side, which the oncologist says are probably scarring related to the radiation treatments. The radiation oncologist is going to look at the CT scan to see if he concurs. Thanks for all your prayers.

317 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:10:28am

#48 eri:

I found the international relations/foreign policy/national defense side of the quiz to be sorely lacking and that would probably skew the results even more than they did - top matches were who I thought they'd be.

Where were the questions on nuclear proliferation, going after terrorists, border control/enforcement, etc?

318 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:11:22am

#310 Ward Cleaver - Well sure, Stinky likes you!
Seriously, I don't get this whole log in bit and have in fact written to Stinky to complain. This is really a pain in the ass.

319 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:11:25am

realwest
coz

Moses comes down from the mountain carrying two tablets.

He says, "Alright, people, there's good news and bad news."

"I got Him down from 20 to 10 commandments, but adultery's still in there."

320 vxbush  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:11:29am

298 gettinby

Um, praise God, no. :D

321 Jimmah  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:12:02am

New London Olympics Logo designed by moonbats.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

The designers deliberately avoided using sporting images or pictures of London landmarks. Instead the capital city's name is written in lower case.

The objective in resisting an iconic image was to emphasise that while the Games is hosted in London, it is not just for London, but also for the UK and for the world.

Ah yes - because otherwise people would have thought it was all just about London - or should I say london - and that no one from outside would be allowed in. I'm grateful that the designers took care not to oppress the other peoples of the world, including me, by insinuating that the place has some sort of distinctive identity.

322 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:13:03am
Ahmadinejad: 'Too Late' to Stop UsHard-line Iranian president says West must abandon 'arrogant policies' of setting conditions for nuke talks

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

323 godfrey  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:13:04am

Great news, Ward. Glad to hear it.

324 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:13:16am

#303 realwest

Um, did that show just happen to mention how the US made Israel stop the war,


Not really. They showed LBJ, Lyndon Johnson our president at the time, having high level meetings but the impression was he was more concerned with the Russian response then he was with Israeli action.

325 coz  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:13:46am
#309 Occasional Reader 6/05/2007 7:07:30 am PDT

#281 coz:

The printer was fined the equivelant of $400.

Always be cautious about these comparisons. It says here he was fined £300, which was a HUGE amount of money in 1631 - remember, "pound sterling" originally referred to, literally, the value of a pound of sterling silver.

OR:

I pride my useless information on being completey unverified, unchecked, and potentially completely WRONG.

Please do not force me to be "correct" for I must remain true to cozwife who says I never am.

327 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:14:34am

#301 E.Cartman's Conscience:

But the Ruskies are back.

And what was Bush supposed to do about that? Nuke 'em?

The Middle East assholes are no longer afraid of us

They're less afraid of us than they were in 2000? Really?

South America is experiencing a successful Bolivarian revolution.

Please define "successful". (Also, please define "South America" for these purposes.)

Africa is degenerating

You mean it's no longer the enlightened bastion of democracy and free-market vibrancy that it was in the 1990s?

I definitely have my criticisms of Bush, but your post is just over-the-top invective.

328 jcm  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:14:48am

My donation to the RNC this year.

[Link: bp0.blogger.com...]

329 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:14:54am

316 Ward

Congrats!

Hope it turns out to be just the scars.

That's very good news

330 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:15:02am
remember, "pound sterling" originally referred to, literally, the value of a pound of sterling silver.

Our source for trivia

331 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:15:43am

#316 Ward Cleaver - Hey Ward, that's just GREAT NEWS!
And I'm sure that the radiation oncologist will concur about the scars.
My Mom had breast cancer surgery about three and a half years ago (with radiation thereapy 5 days a week for 8 weeks, which was exhausing for an 80 year old lady)for a "tiny" lump, and the subsequent radiolgoical findings also showed someting which also turned out to be simply scar tissue left over from the surgery.
That is really great news and please give our regards and best wishes to June!

332 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:15:44am

#304 coz


thanks for the feedback on my useless trivia. i may not offer much in the way of substance around here, but if i can occasionally brighten somebody's day with my mundane lunacy, then, hey that's good, right?

Absolutely.

Count me as one of your fans. :-)

333 godfrey  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:15:48am

jimmah

The logo is fragmented and chaotic, too.

Get a grip, Britain.

334 storagemanager  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:15:50am
Islamic Tolerance Alert. "Muslim hardliners storm Indonesia church," from Agence France-Presse:

JAKARTA (AFP) - Muslim hardliners stormed a church in Indonesia during services, smashing images of Jesus Christ and demanding that it be closed down, the pastor said on Monday.
Dozens of churches have had to be closed in the Muslim-majority country in recent years, and Sunday's attack was the second on the small Protestant church in the West Java town of Soreang since 2005.
Reverend Robby Elisa, who heads the church, said around 100 hardliners attacked while Sunday school was in session. He said his wife was beaten and that at least four stained glass depictions of Jesus were smashed.
"They came and forced their way into the church," he said. "The attackers claimed to be from the Anti-Apostate Movement Alliance. The same group had already attacked the church in 2005."

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

335 zmdavid  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:16:55am

Catholic Confesstion:

I saw that some people had questions on whether Catholic Priests would tell authorities if crimes were confessed during the sacrament of Penance.

The answer is absolutely no. The Church forbids priests from using this information in any way. Link

336 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:17:12am
around 100 hardliners

a mob?

337 coz  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:17:18am

nonic!

thanks!

you guys are makin my day!

well, except for OR!

/jk OR

338 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:17:29am

OMG!

These parents locked their 3 kids inside their car, while they went shopping!

Sheriff's deputies say the temperature outside was in the mid 80s but the inside of the car was close to 140 degrees.

Detective Jim Strovink with the Clackamas County Sheriff's office said 26-year-old Alena Obrezha and 27-year-old Dmitriy Buzhduga left their three children, ages 6, 4 and 14-months, inside their car with the doors locked and the windows rolled up while they went shopping.

Please, family court, don't give these kids back to these parents!

339 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:17:44am

#319 nonic - ROFL! Thanks for the chuckle!
How are y'all doing today?

340 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:18:16am

Okay, so am I the only one on this thread who has read Ludwig von Wolfgang Vulture?

coz: Your info wasn't incorrect in this case, I was just filling in a little detail. I find the topic interesting (in a geeky way) of trying to compare wealth levels between very different time periods; it seems to approach an exercise in futility the longer a time difference one is talking about, but I've never seen a rule of econometrics that attempts to really correct for this. For instance, who was "richer": Occasional Reader, or Peter the Great? True, he owned a lot more land and serfs than I do (I really need to buy more serfs), but OTOH he had pretty lousy medical care... and the sucker didn't even own a car!

341 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:18:47am

#313 Godfrey

Everyone should be allowed in Europe or anywhere else. Ask President Bush. He too suffers from "Noblesse Oblige" - the guilty conscience of the rich towards the not-so-rich. So they attribute to this not-so-rich class all the commendable traits of humanity possible without any serious consideration to those who, instead of being commendable are simply...human. So, President Bush can openly welcome those thousands that pick our crops and build our houses without ever acknowledging the thousands that are gang members, drunk drivers or identity thieves.

342 vxbush  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:19:21am

realwest, others

Hey--I keep my toilet really clean, so while I could do it, the mental "eww" factor prevents it. I brought in my stuff and I hope to take a shower here at work (one of the buildings has a gym and showers). But I'm worried about the rest of the family. It might get interesting, as I said.

Ward

Great, great news!

343 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:19:30am

#327 Occasional Reader - Good morning! What you said!

344 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:19:48am

#330 PK:

Our source for trivia

Youbethcerass! So do you know where the word "dollar" comes from? Eh? Dooya?

345 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:20:14am

301 ECC I keep waiting for my knowlege of the truth to set me free...

I guess it didn't really specify a time frame for that though.

346 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:20:27am

#305 lawhawk

Meanwhile, I question those whose skepticism is getting the better of logic and judgment on the latest terror plot. Why do so many people seek to minimize the kind of damage that could have been done by these plotters?

That pipeline that runs through those neighborhoods carries different petroleum products at different times. If they had hit the correct time and place in the cycle, it could have been huge. But sometimes, the less said, the better, about a vulnerability?

347 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:20:46am

#328jcm

I like your style - but you're still too generous. I can honestly imagine Bush seeing that same Peso bill and asking Calderon "WOW! Is that real?"

348 jcm  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:21:28am

#335 zmdavid

Am I correct in thinking the church encourages priest to tell such confessors to come forward and admit the crime to the authorities?

349 vxbush  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:22:01am

345 funky chicken

I keep waiting for my knowlege of the truth to set me free...

I guess it didn't really specify a time frame for that though.

I am so stealing that...

350 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:22:22am

Dollar was spanish, and pieces of eight were eighths of a dollar. That's all I know Brainiac.

351 Jimmah  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:22:25am

Real Mount Sinai discovered to be in Arabia

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

I watched a documentary on this recently. I had to laugh out loud - in a fenced off 'top secret' area in the Arabian desert, there is a mountain around which are strewn various biblical evidences of Moses and his peoples visit there, complete with 'altars' with golden calves etc. Like it all happened yesterday. And although in a top secret fenced off area, all the really juicy bits were close enough to the fence to give great camera shots. The whole thing just smells of a weird Saudi set-up. Anyone else know anything about it?

352 Ma Sands  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:23:07am

#316 Ward Cleaver

Thank you very much for the update.

353 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:23:08am

#338 gettinby - What you said AND please put these parent in jail or someplace so the kids can be treated more kindly, at least for 30 days or so.
That may seem harsh to some, but those parents were aged 27 and 26 respectively and ought to have known better. I'm hoping (for the kid's sake) that this was a case of ignorance not stupidity, cause there ain't no cure for STUPID!

354 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:23:32am

#210 realwest

Sorry for the delay. Meetings and all that, you know.

Yes, you played twice over the weekend, and you shot 81, 77 for the two rounds. Sunday you had a string of 8 straight pars, 4 of them via 1-putts. You switched to a long putter earlier this year, and now are getting it dialed in. You had 29 putts total on Sunday.

Not bad.

This weekend will be a bit lighter, I'm playing music all day in a festival on Saturday. But Sunday you tee off about 1 pm.

I hope your pain is lessening.

355 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:23:48am

#305 lawhawk

Why do so many people seek to minimize the kind of damage that could have been done by these plotters (and other terror plots that have been thwarted)?

I give you Enoch Powell...

from The Road to National Suicide

The efforts that were made during the 1930s to silence, ridicule, or denounce those who warned of the coming war with the fascist dictatorships and who called for the peril to be recognized and met before too late, provide but a pale and imperfect precedent.

In all this suppression more than one powerful motive can be seen at work. On the one hand there is the primitive but widespread superstition that if danger is not mentioned, it will go away, or even that it is created by being identified and can therefore be destroyed again by being left in silence. Akin to this is the natural resentment of ordinary people, but especially of politicians, at being forced to face an appalling prospect with no readily procurable happy ending. The custom of killing messengers who bring bad news is not confined to the kings and tyrants of antiquity or of fiction. On the other hand there are at work the dark motives of those who desire the catastrophic outcome which they foresee. All round the world in various forms the same formula for rending societies apart is being prepared and applied, by ignorance or design, and there are those who are determined to see to it that Britain shall no longer be able to escape. I marvel sometimes that people should be so innocently blind to this nihilism.

One of the ordinary weapons for the suppression of free speech and of frank expression of opinion is to allege that those who warn of a danger, be they right or wrong, actually desire that danger; that those who warn of war desire war; that those who warn of the materials of hatred and conflict being heaped up desire to see hatred and conflict come about. This is why Churchill was denounced as a warmonger. Because he did not fear to envisage and express the possibility and even probability of war, he could be accused of wanting it.

The fallacy is obvious; for the interest of those who desire calamity would obviously lie in keeping silent till it comes, instead of crying out for means and measures to avert it. But the fallacy is nonetheless dangerous for that.

356 Jimmah  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:24:41am

#333 godfrey

It's a shape memorable only for it's shapelessness. That seems to be the concept they were aiming for.

357 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:25:29am

The World Turned Upside Down

British troops marching out in defeat from Yorktown played the song that is the title for today's installment.

Sometimes things do not come out as expected. Such was certainly the case in 1967. The Arab world was filled with lurid language of mass Jewish death; vengence of epic proportions was blaring from every Arab radio station. The Arab world wanted blood.

They got it. Just not the blood they wanted.

On this morning, forty years ago, using mostly French aircraft, Israel's Defense Forces sent all but 18 planes to attack the Arab air forces. Using superb intelligence, they caught the Egyptian Air Force on the ground and wiped out the overwhelming majority of its planes in the first hours.

Who ever says preemption doesn't work, doesn't know squat about the Six Day War. Every non-Arab military officer studies the war to this day. The better Arab officers study it in secret. The war is the textbook on modern desert warfare. Tommy Frank's steel charge to Baghdad in 2003 grew from the lessons of '67.

In modern war, if your army is not subjected to enemy air superiority, you can win. The corollary to that thought is the real killer: any modern army subjected to air superiority in the desert ALWAYS dies. It follows that as long as you control your own skies; you can't be beaten. So it is that Israel's Air Force is the stuff of legends. Once you know these basic truths, you make sure your air force is the best; you live longer that way.

But air power alone does not win wars. Sooner or later, it takes boots on the ground to win.

In '67, Israel had some of the finest ground pounders the world has ever seen. Sharon was but the most famous, Moshe Dayan was a fabulous commander but the Israeli military command was stacked with the likes of Motta Gur, Tal, Isska and just keep going. The ability of the officer corps cannot be overstated. The first thing Israeli officers learn is to lead- command is "acharai" after me. They go in first. Almost half of all Israeli casualties are officers.

Using much outdated WWII era equipment against much more modern gear from Russia (and even the US!), Israel proved it really is the size of the fight in the dog.

In all it was a victory for the ages. Sixty divisions collided with lethal force, the 20 or so Israeli Divisions suffered fewer than 700 casualties and shocked the world. Hundreds of tanks, thousands of guns were captured. Some Israel uses to this day as part of her own army.

But the image that is forever in my mind is a WWII era US halftrack with a 75mm cannon blowing open the Lion's Gate of Jerusalem to make way for the paratroopers. That same half track might well have lobbed a few shells against some other enemies of the Jewish people 25 years previously.

Do not think for one minute that the Arab armies and soldiers did not fight. They fought like tigers. But they were fighting to destroy and Israel's soldiers, were far better trained and fighting to live. Many of the men who fell for Israel died committing acts of unbelievable heroism, from jumping on grenades to save their buddies to charging into a hail of bullets without cover, to driving exposed in an bulldozer knowing they would survive less than a minute, the soldiers of Israel did their duty.

The character of Israel's Army looks to perfect execution in the field as the ultimate objective. In the IDF 100% is a slogan but it also reflects the reality that nothing less is oft the difference between victory and defeat.

Let us remember the fallen and be thankful for to the dedicated men and women who made such a amazing victory.

1967 changed everything and created the facts that are the basis of the modern Middle East. Ont he 40th anniversary of the war, all of us should pause and be thankful for the victory that gave the Jewish people some peace, restored us to Mount Zion and declared to our enemies that our will to live is far stronger than their will to kill us.

358 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:25:59am

#345 FC

It takes courage even in unacknowledged verbiage. At least your at LGF at this point in your life. These smart folks will eventually get it.

359 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:26:32am

Gray Lady, Grim Agenda

Terror plot? What terror plot?

That's what The New York Times seems to be asking, even as most news outlets are giving front-page coverage to the recently foiled scheme to blow up JFK Airport's fuel pipeline.

The paper's goal seems to be getting America to lower its guard - which can only lead to disaster.

Indeed, on Sunday the paper barely covered the arrests of three suspects behind the plot: Its main story appeared 37 pages back. A second piece undermined the significance of that story: "Plot Was Unlikely To Work, Experts Say...

Citizen journalist's, American patriot's, GET RID OF THAT ENEMY AND TERRORIST SYMPATHETIC PAPER! ;-)

360 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:27:01am

Congratulations to the city of New Haven, which has become the first municipality to issue legal ID cards to foreigners residing there illegally.

Calling it a move towards "social justice," aldermen overwhelmingly approved a plan to issue identification cards for all city residents regardless of immigration status...

In a 25 to 1 vote Monday, aldermen approved acceptance of $250,359 in private funds from the First City Fund Corporation to support the mayor's plan. The Elm City Resident Card, originally designed to help undocumented immigrants avoid getting robbed or assaulted, will be a combination of identification, debit card, library card, and a way to pay the parking meter, for all city residents young and old.

361 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:27:56am

327 OR Are the muslim states less afraid of us now than they were in 2000? That would make an interesting topic for a dissertation.

I think one could argue either way, and not end up looking like a person living in Keith Olbermann-like delusion.

I think in 2004 the answer would have seemed very obvious...of course the muslim nations take us more seriously now than in 2000. HOWEVER, that was before several truly disastrous Bush administration diplomatic initiatives.

362 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:28:01am

#340 Occasional Reader - brilliant, successful lawyer though you are, I dibs Peter The Great. I mean, just because he chose to lease his car instead of buying it doesn't mean your richer!
I mean, do you own anything remotely close to the acreage Pete did? Well do ya?!

363 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:29:00am
Dollar was spanish, and pieces of eight were eighths of a dollar.

BZZZT. Man, what do they teach you guys at Police Academy? The dollar sign originated as a pictographic representation of a Spanish coin which was referred to as the "Spanish dollar" in the New World, but the word "dollar" comes from the German word "joachimsthaler", meaning a coin minted from the silver mine at Joachim (IIRC it's in what is now the Czech republic).

364 zmdavid  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:29:21am

#348 jcm

I think so.

365 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:30:13am

#345 FC

Correction - "at least YOU'RE"...HA! Contractions always trip me up. THERE?THEIR?THEY'RE

366 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:31:43am

The performance of the IDF in Lebanon in 2006 seems to indicate that there has been some drift away from the 1967 generation. This is the fault of the government.

367 jcm  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:33:02am

Outta' here home with sick kids today, and one needs to see the Dr. so it' pack up the 'ole kit bag and smile, smile, smile.

368 loppyd  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:33:31am

Ward Cleaver

That is most excellent news about your bride!

369 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:34:02am

OR
Plessy vs Ferguson?

370 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:34:16am

#312 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They should sue the UN, they imposed the stupid ROE that lead to the civilian deaths. They sent "peacekeepers" into a war zone but didn't allow them to actually shoot their weapons. The next obvious step was the genocide in Rwanda. Care of Koffi & co.

371 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:34:22am

#316 Ward Cleaver

That is such good news!

The collective sighs of relief from you and June had to be a fabulous feeling.

372 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:34:23am

#354 3 wood - See, I told you focusing on my short game would pay off!
Um, however, about that 1:00PM tee time on Sunday; any chance we can make it earlier? Usually by 2:00PM my meds tell me (and in no uncertain terms!) that it's nap time! LOL!

373 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:35:42am

Well hiya Lopps! Hows the weatha?

374 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:36:11am

As some of you may know, I am making a report of shootings on weapons free environments vs. weapons prone environments (Gun shops, NRA Events, etc)

I'm still working on the school shootings and have quite a few pages of just school shootings here in the United states, only going back to 1996.

kind of sad and depressing.

Doubly so since I don't really expect the regulations at work to change, despite this report.

375 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:36:18am

The Pythagrean theorem?

376 vxbush  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:38:16am

375 PK

Look out; you'll get me going; I'll start quoting math theorems and put BZ into a coma.

377 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:38:17am

#357 Ayatollah Ghilmeini - Just another great post. Thank you.
But I'm curious as to your reaction to what I distinctly recall was LBJ's insistence to Israel that kept Sharon and his troops on the outskirts of Damascus. The ME would look a LOT different today if the US had let Israel take out Syria.

378 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:38:33am

This is getting pathetic,

Second Taliban boat sinks, 30 killed: Afghan official Tue Jun 5, 3:03 AM ET

KABUL (AFP) - More than 30 Taliban militants were killed when their boat sank in a river in southern Afghanistan, the defence ministry said Tuesday, in the second such incident in four days.

Soldiers backed by foreign troops fired on the makeshift boat as it crossed a river in southern Helmand province on Monday, ministry spokesman General Mohammad Zahir Azimi said.

"Over 30 Taliban were on board and all of them drowned and died," he told AFP.

The soldiers had come under fire from those on the boat, he said.

"Those onboard were all terrorists," a statement from his ministry said.

About 60 fleeing Taliban guerrillas were killed in a similar incident after their boat sank in volatile Helmand on Friday, the spokesman said at the weekend.

I'm just waiting for the MSM to spin this story as,

"90 Dead in Afghanistan as The Deadly Taliban Navy Launches Amphibious Assault, NATO Caught Unaware"

379 Barrypopik  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:39:35am

Finally! The New York Post on the New York Times' disgraceful "coverage" of the JFK terror plot.

GRAY LADY, GRIM AGENDA
June 5, 2007 -- Terror plot? What terror plot?

That's what The New York Times seems to be asking, even as most news outlets are giving front-page coverage to the recently foiled scheme to blow up JFK Airport's fuel pipeline.

The paper's goal seems to be getting America to lower its guard - which can only lead to disaster.

The suspects were "Short on Cash / And a Long Way From Realizing Goals," one Times headline insisted yesterday. Regarding two of the men arrested, a second headline asserted that "Neither Seemed an Extremist."

Indeed, on Sunday the paper barely covered the arrests of three suspects behind the plot: Its main story appeared 37 pages back. A second piece undermined the significance of that story: "Plot Was Unlikely To Work, Experts Say, Citing Safeguards and Pipeline Structure."

OK, so these guys had no weapons or mountains of money on hand.

But they had deep, passionate intent - to do grave damage to this country.

And they represented a brand of terrorist that might be even more deadly than al Qaeda's thugs: the kind that builds hatred toward America and takes it upon himself to vent that hatred in some deadly freelance plot.

While their crude planning might often - thankfully - fail, such plotters need to succeed but once. Even a partial success could be horrific.

Yet far more important to the Times than the prospect of a plot aiming to out-do 9/11 were front-page stories about:

* The debate over the legality of detaining "boy fighters" in the Guantanamo prison camp.

* How the brick laying trade in India is benefiting peasants.

* Proper upkeep for "the most treasured violins."

Let's be clear here: The "paper of record" isn't guilty of merely poor news judgment. It's got an agenda.

380 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:39:45am

I figure the teachers out there will get a grin out of this one.

I've been going back and forth via email with a college student in one of my summer school classes about the text book needed for the class. She is trying to buy it used on-line and found two copies at two different prices and wanted me to tell her which one to buy. I told her several times that I do not get involved in students buying books. I identify the book required on my syllabus, it's stocked in the school bookstore and as far as I am concerned that is the end of it.

So yesterday she got rather insistant in an email, telling me she thinks it's my job to figure out for her which book she should buy (and so then blame me if it is the wrong one too, I bet). I responded again that it is for her to figure that out and that I would not respond to another one of her emails about her book buying issues.

So this morning I get a nasty-gram from her telling me how rude I am, that she would not take a class with me it is was the last class on earth, etc., and that I need to learn how to speak better to my students.

I can not conceive of ever even thinking of bothering one of my Professors with my own book buying issues when I was in school.

To quote a popular song from my youth:

"Come back, when you grow up girl."

Oh, well, I will try to bear up under the strain of her being unhappy with me.

*snicker*

381 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:40:00am

341 ECC I like that post too :-). The crazy thing is that Bush and others like him lionize the impoversished with all their attendant culture of impoverishment while at the same time insulting the hard working middle class.

The middle class forms the backbone of this nation. I learned throughout my time in public schools that the thriving US middle class is what makes the US different from all the South and Central American nations.

Hmmm. "Insulting" is too tame; I think "despising" more accurately deescribes the Bush attitude toward the middle class folks who for years formed the core of his base.

382 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:40:18am

Ralph Peters on the Six Day War:

We Americans face a fundamental problem in interpreting Israel's history: We imagine that every problem has a solution, if only we can figure it out. But there are no solutions - none - to the Middle East's problems, short of atrocities too horrific for us to contemplate. Israel may dream of peace, but must be content to survive and muddle through. An erratic ebb and flow of violence may be as good as the region gets.

The Six-Day War didn't create the Middle East's problems, it only changed the math. For Israel, it marked a coming of age. Taken together with the Yom Kippur War six years later - two rounds in a single fight, really - the war of June 1967 meant the end of Israel's basic struggle for existence and the beginning of its "quality of life" wars.

We also forget that those two intertwined wars in 1967 and 1973 resulted in four decades of de facto peace between Israel and the Arab states it had fought in four wars. Intifadahs make great TV, but they can't destroy Israel.

That said, Hamas and Fatah are still determined to try and destroy Israel, whether by 1000s of papercuts or by terrorist attacks. Instead of seeing the Gaza withdrawal as a sign of Israeli strength and restraint, Palestinians see it as a sign of Israeli weakness and that if enough Israelis get tired of the fight, they'll continue withdrawing all over the place.

It's the fundamental failure to read intentions - Palestinians and much of the Arab world reads restraint for weakness, and makes a fatal mistake each and every time.

383 loppyd  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:40:22am

PK!

It's wicked muggy.

Same there?

384 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:40:33am

#327 OR

I appreciate your criticism of my over the top critique. I confess you may be right and I wrong. But then I would ask you to lay out an equally brief response to counter my unwanted invective. Where exactly has President Bush met or exceeded your expectations? Understand, I loved the guy and have made hundreds of posts defending/pulling/hoping for the man. [Link: www.google.com...]

385 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:41:27am

The 2nd law of Thermodynamics

386 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:42:16am

#363 Occasional Reader - Oh Please! Everyone knows the word "dollar" comes right from the piece of paper itself (or dollars) if you don't believe me, look through that stack of 50 and 100 dollar bills you carry around with you as pocket change! You'll see the word "Dollar" printed right on 'em!

387 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:44:23am

#381 FC

...yes, Middle American is the core of his base AND the core of his army.

Imagine telling midwest Moms - "we are sending your son/daughter to Iraq so that we might maintain our open border/illegal immigration policy to preserve the American way of life". But, in effect, that is exactly what we have done.

388 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:44:23am

bbl :-)

389 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:44:24am

OR

if your language pet peeve list includes pronounciations, here are two for you I heard last night.

both times the term was used correctly, but pronounced as follows:

caveat... pronounced "Cave-it"

OSHA... prnounced "ah-shoe-a"

390 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:45:38am

What's an Ames room?

391 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:46:10am

Uh, in addition to my log in problems, is LGF loading slowly for any of y'all or is it just me?

392 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:46:29am

#372 realwest

Not a problem. I play like my eyes are closed a lot of the time anyway.

We call it a "Ray - Ray" round...nine holes like Ray Floyd, the other 9 like Ray Charles.

By the way real, Fidel Castro has a better chance of ending this season in good health than Roger Clemens, I hope you Yankee fans realize that.

393 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:47:21am

Bush defense, thermodynamics, dollars... I'd love to respond to all of youse, but I must go to a Very Important Meeting right now with my DC Money Cult co-conspirators.

394 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:48:23am

380 3 wood

Now, I'm not the smartest person on the planet... but if I found two of the exact same book, at different prices... i'd buy the cheaper one.

Now, if they were two different versions, I'd find out which version was in the bookstore and buy it at the bookstore or the correct one online, whichever was cheaper.

(And I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night)

395 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:48:30am

Soggy,steamy when the sun is out. Good weather to be indoors. Spent the weekend outside building a fence, will be finishing this weekend.

396 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:49:13am

Okay, one more Knut and then I promise no more.

But this is SO SWEET.

397 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:49:27am

realwest

loads fine for me.

398 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:49:29am

And I chose to marry for LOVE.

Woman to get $184 Million in divorce.

399 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:49:32am

#316 Ward

Praise God for answered prayer.

Now we all have to work on realwest's pain.

400 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:50:07am

#393 OR

Hmmm...for some reason I'm just not buying it. But a visit to the toilet is just as important as those you invented - so...ummm...cheers.

401 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:50:23am
I'd love to respond to all of youse, but I must go to a Very Important Meeting right now with my DC Money Cult co-conspirators.

Translation:
He's going to the break room for a coke and a snickers bar with Shirley from accounting and the two new interns.

402 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:50:24am

#310 realwest

Are you running the latest Sun Java? It's 6.0 Release 1.

403 vxbush  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:50:32am

3 wood

I've had several conversations with professors in town about how the current crop of students seem to have lost the ability to think on their own. I've heard several different explanations as for why, but it boils down to the fact that they aren't comfortable doing stuff on their own. Hence your student's desire for you to tell her which book to get.

Personally, the way I put it is the "Me" generation created a "Me-Me" generation, also known as the "do-it-for-me" generation.

404 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:51:39am

Omar Fadhil of Iraq the Model, on Mookie Sadr,

In light of the talk among our British friends of leaving Iraq in 12 months, the south will be in great danger, and a tough decision must be made before that time comes. By the time Sadr can manipulate the civil authority, or Iraqi officers, the number of soldiers we can train and equip won’t make a difference.

Sadr is not simply an outlaw; he represents Iran’s project in Iraq just like Hamas and Nasrallah represent it in the Palestinian territories and Lebanon. These are the three arms of Iran in the Middle East that have worked consistently to ruin every emerging democratic project. And these arms must be cut off sooner rather than later.

I agree, sadr must be eliminated, but that alone will not be enough. He is jsut the puppet and until the US deals with the puppet masters, the Iranians, the problem will persist.

405 rw in san diego  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:52:31am

#380 3 wood

IMO this is another example of the 'the world revolves around me' attitude that is so widely prevalent in our country today. We have not taught our children well.

Good morning, all.

406 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:53:30am
the war of June 1967 meant the end of Israel's basic struggle for existence and the beginning of its "quality of life" wars.

Fascinating: the advent of nuclear Iran means that Israel is back to phase I.

407 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:53:42am

{realwest}

Loading pretty slow for me.

I tested with other sites; and, alas, they, too, are loading slowly. Must be my "provider." ;)

408 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:54:17am
409 lucius septimius  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:56:09am

# 380 3 wood

I can not conceive of ever even thinking of bothering one of my Professors with my own book buying issues when I was in school.

I can't imagine doing half the crap that students do now. Constantly they are dumping their neurotic garbage on us ... I don't get it. They are selfish, needy, and aggressively lazy.

My lovely bride also comments on the fact they take no pride in their work. This is not to say that all of them are like that, but the proportion of students who act like this seems to be growing exponentially.

This is why I like more and more teaching adults, particularly those over 30.

410 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:56:27am

#394 lance

Well, you got a good leg up on most of my students, if you can figure that one out all by yourself.

Well, I guess one of the students on the stand-by list to get into my class just got lucky.

411 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:57:43am

#380 3 wood - I believe it! It's frickin' unbelievable how much student's fail to take responsiblity for their own decisons; so she tried to fob it off on you and threw a hissy fit when you wouldn't do her work for her.
You ought to write back that you woudn't have her as one of your students, cause you prefer only the best and brightest!
Yeah, I know you can't really do that, but I know the temptation is there, right? LOL!
On one of the Student Evaluations I used to get each semester before I was forced to retire, one student wrote that "Professor Realwest expects us to do too much homework and it's not fair. In addition, he gets angry if we don't "pay attention" in class. He's just a terrible professor".
OTOH, one of my student evaluations said "Professor Realwest is the best thing since canned beer" - which I always took as a compliment!

412 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:58:31am

I don't see how you could claim the U.S. is stronger now than in 2000. After 9/11 Damascus and Teheran were terrified that they'd be next.

Since 2003 though American resolve in the "War On Terror" has withered away. Today Syria and Iran are currently fueling an insurgency that has cost thousands of American lives, are fighting proxy wars against American allies in the Middle East, and utilizing al-Qaeda affiliates to plot terror attacks on the scale of 9/11.

Incidentally not one of these actions has resulted in serious consequences for either Syria or Iran.

Are these the actions of nations that are intimidated or emboldened? My money's on emboldened.

413 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:58:31am

Muslim Immigrants: Killing the citizens we won't murder ourselves

Broward Sheriff Ken Jenne announced Monday afternoon the arrest of a man at New York's John F. Kennedy airport in the dragging death of Sandra Hall, 44, of Fort Lauderdale.

Sheriff Jenne identified the suspect as Abdelaziz Hamze, 24, of Coral Springs, during a press conference. He said BSO investigators were on their way to New York to interview him.

The suspect was pulled from an Athens-bound flight at JFK airport, at approximately 4:20 p.m., Monday afternoon, by agents from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. It is believed Hamze, who is a U.S. citizen, purchased his ticket to Greece following the murder. Athens is a common connecting point for flights to Lebanon, where Hamze is originally from.

The last thing Michael Williams says he heard his wife Sandra Hall say to a hit-and-run driver as she dangled from the hood of a minivan that had struck the couple's car was, "You ain't going nowhere."

Hall, 44, was trying to stop the driver of that van, described as a white Dodge Caravan with partial tag C72, authorities said. Instead, the Caravan dragged her along State Road 7/U.S. 441 for about two miles, from just north of Commercial Boulevard until just north of Prospect Road, killing her around 10 p.m. Sunday.

. . . .

He got out to talk to the van's driver, but that man took off immediately.

Williams said he jumped back into the Cadillac and chased the van, calling police to report the hit-and-run.


The Caravan finally stopped at a red traffic light at Oakland Park Boulevard, he said.

Williams got out again to confront its driver. That's when the chase turned tragic.

"My wife got out of the car to go stand in front of him, so he wouldn't go nowhere," Williams said.

But when the traffic light changed to green, the unidentified driver began moving forward again. The van took off again and heard his wife protest, saying, "You ain't going nowhere."

Surprised and horrified, Williams chased the van on foot for a short while and begged the driver to stop so his wife could get off safely.

Then he lost sight of the van.

Detectives say Hall fell off the minivan's hood and got caught in the undercarriage, Sheriff Ken Jenne said at a news conference Monday morning. The driver then dragged her for about two miles, reaching speeds up to 70 mph in the process and weaving between lanes in an attempt to shake her off. He finally left Hall dead in the 1600 block of State Road 7 in North Lauderdale.

414 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 7:58:37am

410 3 wood

heh.. Be grateful... imagine how much of a PITA she'd have been if she stayed in.

415 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:02:20am

411 realwest

I've felt, in a class or two I'd taken, that the Prof did not provide enough work or reading for us to make me feel that I was justified in paying 1,300 dollars to take it.

416 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:03:56am

Still no press release from CAIR on the JFK plot or on being named as a co-conspirator in court.
Silence.

417 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:04:28am

#402 Ward Cleaver - Nope, I'm still using Maxthon as my browser of choice and other sites are loading very quickly for me. Must be cause LGF has something like 3,500 visitors on line right now.
I wouldn't be surprised if LGF crashed in the near future if we get any bot spikes that Charles talks about (althoug I HAVE NO IDEA wth he's talking about! LOL!).

418 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:04:44am

Just another annonying shameless plug for a program airing on XM satellite radio tomorrow on channel 4 in observance of the D-Day invasion. They are going to present the events of that memorable day using real archival radio broadcasts from that day in realtime. A sort of "You Are There" type program. It starts at midnight tonight and goes all day tomorrow. I plan to check in on it just to get a feel for what the reporting of the day was like.

419 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:05:36am

#408 TFK

You do know that people, even here at LGF, spend more time considering your method than your message; your typos than in acknowledging what you typed. You see, the prominent Republican candidates are busy painting you as a nut – out of touch – unrealistic. They’ll increasingly adopt the left-wing arguments and make them their own to win election. Recently at LGF I suggested withholding one’s vote to which I was labeled “idiot”, an enabler of democrats, and, most emptily “chicken-shit” for my unwillingness to engage in forgone argumentation. Increasingly you will find people unwilling to fight for their convictions and more contented to take what they can get from them.

420 WeaselZipper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:06:18am
421 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:06:29am

# 411 Realwest

Now that I'm chairman, I have taken to reading to classes selected "hit pieces" from the previous semester's evaluations with sarcastic commentary. That usually gets the point across. I also tell them that if they are upset they should complain to the chair and I will be sure to write a stern letter to Dr. Septimius for inclusion in his yearly review.

I also tell the class that if they have any serious complaints about my teaching, they should please note the piece of mistletoe attached to my coat tail. Say it in the right context and with the right delivery and they'll think it's a great joke. The message gets through, too.

422 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:07:29am

#403 vxbush

Good morning. Yes, I've seen much the same change over the last 15 years or so. I've also seen a significant drop in the ability to write well, and to use logic.

#405 rw

One of my theories is it is the ingoing influence of the TV sitcom. Look at how authority figures, especially parents, are portrayed on almost every show. Idiots, morons and dummies basically on the earth simply to service the younger generation. I've seen it in my children as well.

My two eldest offspring are moving out this week to enjoy life on their own, rooming together for a while. This should be entertaining.

#409 l s

I had a student hand in a research paper this past spring that was nothing more than copied internet articles she had printed out in the computer lab 5 minutes before class.

I asked her where her analysis was of the articles, tying it all together and coming to a conclusion. She had no idea what I was talking about. She thought just printing a few articles off comprised a research paper.

423 Kenneth  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:07:36am

The clash of two cognitive dissonances,

MUSLIMS: MI5 BEHIND 7/7

NEARLY a quarter of British Muslims believe the security services were behind the 7/7 bombings, a shock survey revealed last night.

The poll for Channel 4 News found 24 per cent of UK Muslims thought the Government or bodies such as MI5 were "involved in some way". Fifty-two per cent of 500 Muslims asked also think the security services "made up" evidence against the four bombers who killed 52 people. And 68 per cent said the Muslim community does not bear responsibility for the emergence of extremists in the UK.

The survey results appeared as Tony Blair announced cash is to be used to help train Muslim imams in UK universities to stop radical clerics coming from overseas to teach in the UK.

He said it was time for the "true voice of Islam" to be heard.

424 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:09:01am

Dirk
Yep.

425 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:09:08am

412 Dirk I agree. That's the point ECC made in his original #301.

426 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:09:10am

# 415 LanceKates

I've heard it said that education is the one thing that people don't want to get their money's worth.

Makes a big difference when you're teaching people who are actually footing the bill ...

427 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:09:30am

I see only Storage Manager added more links to my wonde4rful post #219 about the caregory 4 tropical cyclone approaching Oman and Iran.

I also see that Eric Cartman's Conscience has beaten me to linking about Abdel Aziz Hamze, who intentionally killed a woman trying to stop him from fleeing the scene of an accident.

Too bad Florida has gone to lethal injection. While I have some issues, and qualms, as a Catholic, about the death penalty, there are cases where the crime clearly seems to demand it (like the 5 teenagers in Houston in apparently racially motivated crime spree (not described as such in any media, but none of the victims were African-American), targetting whites, Hispanics and Asians. They kidnapped an Asian-American teenage couple, gang raped the girl while forcing the boy to watch, then marched them into the woods and shot them execution style.

In cases like that, it seems the older, less civilized methods of execution, like hanging, or the electric chair, seem more appropriate than lethal injection.

428 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:11:07am

#417 realwest

But Java is a browser plugin, not a browser. Charles, doesn't the login use Java?

429 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:11:12am

422 3 wood

aren't you glad that High Schools prepare students for college?

430 lawhawk  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:12:13am

The terrorists in Gaza are increasingly targeting Internet cafes, many claiming that the cafes are spreading pornography and undermining family values.

Yes, that's right - the jihadis are busy blowing up Internet cafes claiming that they're being used by the unfaithful to view porn, ignoring the fact that most folks wouldn't be viewing that stuff in public. They're also ignoring the fact that they're busy committing violence and destroying property, while those who might be viewing porn may only be violating the precept that every sperm is sacred.

431 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:12:26am

#413

That's a horrific story. I have to say however that regardless of whether the driver was a Muslim or not, it is not the smartest thing to stand in front of a vehicle when there is a chance the driver might flee.

432 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:13:28am

Realwest
If you go to this site:
[Link: www.bandwidthplace.com...]
You can get a free test (3X per day) that will give you an idea of your connection speed. You might want to bookmark it and keep track of your average.

433 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:13:55am

# 422 3wood

What you say about sitcoms is dead-on!

I don't get the research paper thing -- I don't know how many times I've assigned one only to have people come back and say they don't know how to write one. My response is, well, that's one of the things you will learn in this class. Response: but I don't know how to write one.

It's either the result of a decade of "Constructivist Teaching" or they're all channeling Nigel Tufnel.

434 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:14:10am

426 Lucius

Most college's seem to have forgotten that the students are the customer... and that the college needs to cater to the customer.

On the other hand, students need to take college seriously or not go.

Animal House and the other National Lampoon college movies are just that... movies.

435 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:14:32am

#427 To be called out by the weather-god is a genuine honor. PAX! :)

436 nature boy  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:14:56am

413

Dragging death has gotta be the worst way to die.

437 3 wood  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:14:58am

#411 realwest and #421 ls

I donot read the class evaluations, don't even open the envelope when the responses get maied back to me. I tell my classes that up front. I find the responses are either butt kissing or hit jobs. Neither is informative.

The waiting list to take my classes gives me most of my feedback. That, and the indications I get during the term that my students are actually learning the material due to my efforts. That is all the feedback I need.

438 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:18:34am

387 ECC YES! I'm going to copy a letter my military husband sent to our glorious GOP senators. It borrows from Laura Ingraham and Mark Krikorian at NRO, but he's a busy guy.

Sir
I must let you know that I am appalled that you voted against Sen
Vitter's amendment that would have removed the immediate amnesty
provision from the immigration bill. I do not support the Senate's
supposedly bipartisan immigration reform bill. I will never vote to
reelect anyone who ties the issues of border enforcement and
legalization together in one bill. Border enforcement must come first.
When we as Americans verify over a number of years that this has been
done, we can consider plans for those who have lived here illegally for
several years. This issue is directly tied to our national security
which I proudly defend with my life on a regular basis in the Middle
East. Please reconsider your decision and move to strike all
legalization provisions from the bill. As well, please move to enforce
our current laws. It is unbelievable that we are allowing our current
laws to be ignored.

v/r

439 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:18:41am

433 lucius

I had to relearn how to write papers in college. I guess I was writing them like a newspaper column.

In the first paragraph, I gave my topic, and each sentence was the main point of the rest of the paragraphs, in order. (That way if you read the first paragraph, you knew what you'd see in the rest of the paper)

Each section after that was filled with analysis proving the idea, quotes and whatnot.

Then a final Paragraph that summed everything up.

After a prof gave me a low grade for 'not providing support' for my points, I concluded that he was only reading the first paragraph, saw that there were no quotes, then graded 'accordingly'.

After I started packing that first paragraph full of quotes, much more than the rest of the paper, my grades went up.

Moral of the story: Grades teach much more than lecture, and shortcuts taken by the grader will be quickly known and used by the gradee.

440 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:19:13am

#415 LanceKates - Good morning Lance! Hope your doing well today - how's that wrist coming along?
I never had a student complain about too little homework, but keep in mind I was teaching graduate students going for their M.S. in Real Estate (and just their tough luck that my course was required in their first semester - though of course there were 14 other law professors who taught the same course).
I also was fortunate, in the ten years I taught (and I usually taught two or three classes in each of the fall, spring and summer semesters) to have some truly outstanding students. I mean really good, paid attention and obviously did their homework.
Not all students are like the ones described by 3-wood and myself. It seemed to me, however, that the better students also took a lot of pride in whatever they did - and I could frequently tell by the way they dressed as to how seriously they took their post graduate eduation. Almost inevitably, those that took some pride in their dress (I don't mean, btw, suits and ties, just clean and presentable or whatever) also took pride in how well they did in the course.
And I'm very pleased to say that many, many of my students stayed in touch with me via e-mail after they graduated.
Nothing makes a teacher happier than to know that their students "get it"!

441 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:20:41am
Aparece, 23, and Ngo, 17, were in Aparece's car outside Ngo's home about 2 a.m. when Johnson and two friends banged on the driver's side window brandishing a shotgun and forced the couple into the back seat, Andrews said.

Andrews said Johnson, Keithron Fields, 18, and a third man who is not charged in the case drove the couple around Houston while taking Aparece's cash and credit cards and trying to get her ATM access number.

They stopped in a wooded area, where Johnson raped Aparece as Fields, along with Timothy Randle, 20, and Ashley Ervin, 18, taunted Ngo outside, Andrews told jurors.

Self defense tip folks: If someone abducts you at gunpoint and wants to take you to another more secluded location, you might as well go for the gun. You're chances of surviving in a struggle aren't great, but your chances of surviving if you comply are zero.

They're going to kill you anyway. That's the whole purpose of the secluded location. You might as well put up a fight and go out on your own terms.

442 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:20:41am

# 437 3 wood

Best not to read them -- I only do because I have to read all of the dreary things for all the folks in my department.

My favorite was a series of evaluations over three semesters criticizing one junior member of the division for wearing a particular salmon-colored shirt with a dark suit.

And you're right -- the best sign of effective teaching is who takes the class. Good, demanding teachers get good, hard-working students. I've learned to respect a number of my colleagues because of the caliber of students they attract.

443 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:20:41am
444 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:20:41am

Don't ever get in front of cars; I had a partner who, a few years ago got involved in a nasty chase.
A woman drunk and popping pills driving down an urban street swerved up over a sidewalk. A mother had just placed her infant daughter, who was in a car seat on the curb to unlock her building's door.
The drunk drove over the baby in the car seat and the seat caught under the front axle, dragging it.
The driver continued up the street with a groing crowd of people frantically chasing her and screaming for her to stop. The driver was oblivious.
She made turns and weaved all over. My partner got the call and he intercepted the car with his cruiseer. He got out and the woman was stopped, honking her horn at the police car in her path. The baby was still trapped underneath the car, screaming and being burned by the exhaust pipe.
The driver's door was locked. The officer was shouting at her to stop. She looked at him, turned away and started to drive around the cruiser.
He had to decide to either let her drive away or shoot her in the head. There was no time for anything else.

445 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:24:00am

Ron Paul is still racking up votes on the LGF Dem debate poll.
Silly truthers.

446 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:24:13am

427 Ed Mahmoud Sickening. It appears that young blacks are listening to their gangst rap and academic poet heros at last. We have Wichita, Knoxville, Houston, ? Long Beach, CA last Halloween, and I'm sure there are and will be others.

Who had that link to the Nikki Giovanni poem about how it's time for n***s to start killing white people?

447 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:24:34am

440 realwest

I never dressed overly fancy for class, but I was much better dressed than most of my peers. many would (especially for the 8am classes) have just rolled out of bed and would be wearing pajammas.

or shorts and a t-shirt.

But, they had enough money, between their parents and some odd ability to get grants... they were able to finish college.

448 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:26:24am
the war of June 1967 meant the end of Israel's basic struggle for existence and the beginning of its "quality of life" wars.

Peters actually wrote that? Um, Ralph, 1973 was very much a "struggle for existence" war.

PK: Shirley in Accounting says "hi", and says she needs to talk to you. Something about a "missed period", I assume it's a typographical question.

Dirk:

I don't see how you could claim the U.S. is stronger now than in 2000.

Actually, I didn't specifically say that, but I will now. The US is stronger now than in 2000 (the end of the Bubba Era), although, yes, weaker than, say, mid-2003.

After 9/11 Damascus and Teheran were terrified that they'd be next.

Right after 9/11? I don't think so. Right after 9/11, they were gloating at the destruction, and wondering what we'd do. What we did was take down the Taliban/AQ nexus in Afghanistan in one of the most brilliantly executed wars in our nation's history. And then, did the same in Iraq, albeit after an unconscionably long delay in order to go through the UN/"international community" song n' dance. And yes, the follow-through on that has been bad.

What else has Bush done right? Well, I take note of the "no 9/11s here since 9/11" non-minor-detail. Something has been working. He oversaw the rebuilding of the military from the Clinton cutbacks (not perfectly, no); and - this is potentially crucial - he has pushed ahead on missile defense, and pulled us out of the obsolescent ABM Treaty. (Some day, we may have cause to thank him, BIG TIME, for this... say, in 2021 when that inbound North Korean ICBM is intercepted and destroyed.)

He's also done a reasonably good job on the economy; economic growth in every quarter except for the post 9/11 downturn, combined with low inflation . (Credit Where It's Due Dept.: Bubba scored very well on this, too.)

449 Jeff MacMillan  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:26:31am

#441 Dirk Diggler

"They're going to kill you anyway. That's the whole purpose of the secluded location. You might as well put up a fight and go out on your own terms."

What if you are IN a secluded location, high crime neighborhood, druggies/gangsters all over the place, and that's where you have a struggle with someone aducting you?

And what if that struggle is inside your own car with the person taking your car keys?

If you struggle to get out of the Car and run and avoid being "abducted" you are essentially on foot, no cell phone, bad neighborhood, 20-30 miles away from your home town. And if your wallet was stolen in the struggle along with your car keys? There's no TAXI home:-|

Good luck!

450 cbinflux  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:26:53am

162 whiterasta
"A woman wearing a suicide belt tried to blow herself near a national police recruitment centre..."

451 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:27:19am
452 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:27:54am

# 439 LanceKates

Well that's a depressing story. I can't stand lazy graders. If that instructor worked for me, I'd whack him/her on the head.

For research papers now (after many years of trial and error) I give the students a fairly detailed set of instructions, laying out the tasks. First send me a topic; we will then meet and discuss it. Second a prospectus (1-2 pp.) and a bibliography. Third a first draft which I return with comments. Finally the last draft. In some classes we'll do peer review -- each student will read and comment on two drafts.

Set up this way, they can't wait until the last minute and they have to rewrite it at least once. It's also difficult to cheat when they turn it in in stages.

453 nature boy  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:28:30am

444 Peacekeeper

Wouldn't it be enough to shoot her elsewhere, like in the shoulder, to get her attention?

454 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:29:18am

#444 PK:

Christ.

Um... how did this story end? (Baby's condition, and did your partner shoot)

455 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:29:23am

219 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Nothing in the Atlantic tropics, but check out the sub-980 mb low forecast to form in the Northern Plains of the United States. Unheard of in June, rare enough in November or March!

I'm thinking an unusually active tornado outbreak with this tomorrow and again Thursday. As you can tell by the links, SPC is on it. I wonder if the set up for the last 100 fatality tornado in this country, in Flint, MI, June 8th, was similar to this. The next day in Worcester, MA, came up just a few bodies short of being the last 100 fatality tornado.

Thanks Ed, I'll keep an eye to the sky here in SW Chicagoland where our last really nasty one like this was 17 years ago.

456 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:29:40am

#438 FC

Wow. Your man is in the service. I can not begin to imagine what you are enduring. It must be maddening. First, the most sincere thanks for the sacrifice of, not only your husband, but that of yours and your family. Military men are almost the best citizens we have. They are second only to their spouses and family. Yeah, it breaks me up every day to see our boys “over there” fighting for our way of life, while our people over hear are constantly told to augment and change our way of life. You are a rare person and your husband and family are rare. At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter what any of us post at LGF or anywhere else. But I am touched to have found even a brief allegiance with someone with the family, recent history, and sacrifice that you know.

457 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:31:16am

444 PK please tell me he shot her in the head.

458 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:31:51am

449 Jeff


What if you are IN a secluded location, high crime neighborhood, druggies/gangsters all over the place, and that's where you have a struggle with someone aducting you?

You shoot them.

And what if that struggle is inside your own car with the person taking your car keys?

You shoot them.

If you struggle to get out of the Car and run and avoid being "abducted" you are essentially on foot, no cell phone, bad neighborhood, 20-30 miles away from your home town. And if your wallet was stolen in the struggle along with your car keys? There's no TAXI home:-|

You don't need to get out of the car, you've already shot them. You just call the police and tell them that there has been a violent crime at [your location], then give a description of yourself and wait for the police to come.

(Sorry, I live in Oklahoma where we're allowed to shoot at people trying to carjack or kill us.)

459 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:33:48am

Nu?

460 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:33:55am
Don't ever get in front of cars

I also heard a detective being interviewed on th radio once say, "you'd be surprised how many bad guys' last words are along the lines of 'you ain't gonna shoot me, cause you ain't got the guts'."

461 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:34:03am

#437 3 wood - I have to diagree with you a little about student evaluations. At the University I taught, the student evaluations were in two parts = the first was a numerical ranking and had questions like "Was the Professor Prepared for each class" and "Did the Professor seem to have a good grasp of the subject matter".
Those I always thought were bullshit. I NEVER looked at the numerical rankings. But the second part was written comments on the class, the teacher, the material, etc. and I used to read them to see if I could learn anything that would improve my teaching of the material and found, on several occasions, that I was perhaps spending too much time on a certain sub topic and not enough on others.
BTW, the written comment "Professor Realwest is the best thing since canned beer" arrived with the other evaluations while I was in a one on one meeting with the dean! The dean, naturally, was interested in the numerical grade and complimented me on receiving such high scores (as if I gave a shit) then read the comments and asked what the "beer" comment meant! I told him I thought it was a compliment, but was as much in the dark as he was (the student evaluations were always done in true confidence and secrecy; I never knew which student graded or wrote what.

462 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:34:17am

#454 OR

I thought you were busy taking a sh*t or something. ;)

463 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:35:35am

#446 funky

Who had that link to the Nikki Giovanni poem about how it's time for n***s to start killing white people?


Try this...

[Link: globalpolitician.com...]

464 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:36:06am

#438 FC
Have you dared to peek at the new show on some cable channel named "Army Wives". If not I can spare you the pain. It is a drama so they of course have all of the stereotypes of military wives represented. You know the drunk, insecure, sleeping around, unable to do anything without the man of the house around type. They seem to miss the one who handles all of life's day to drama while worrying about their spouse.
I know speaking just for me, it was easier being the deployed one since I always had something to keep me busy rather then the one sitting at home. My wife was definetly stronger then me in that regard.
Every once in awhile she even ribs me about don't I have a field problem or something to go to, since I am around all the time now.
Take care.

465 MandyManners  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:36:10am

444 Peacekeeper

WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?

466 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:36:25am

449 Jeff McMillan If you have to drive through such an area you keep a loaded pistol on your lap or between the seats where you can grab it immidiately.

That's what I will teach my kids...the recent carjacking, days of torture and eventual murder in Knoxville convinced me.

I have told my kids if a stranger tries to grab them or something else they are to scream, kick, fight, BITE if the assailant gets a hold of them, anything they can do.

I'd rather have them die fighting right there quick than be taken elsewhere and tortured for days.

Those are the choices now.

467 cbinflux  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:36:36am

163 jwf
There have also been some airbrushed photos of her recently. Face, neck and hands.
[Link: groups.yahoo.com...]

468 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:36:53am

452 Lucius

the closest we got to that was an english class where we were required to use the "Peer Review Lab" where you drop off a paper and english majors read it and mark it up with comments.

It was, generally, the only time the peer review lab was used.

I never cheated, but I did often wait until the last couple nights to write a paper.

I did have one prof who wanted us to do a "Biblical Study" of a certain passage. But, he'd never give any explination of what he wanted. He constantly said that it'd take at least a week to do it, but when you asked him what he was looking for, he'd say "I'll explain it in another class."

I couldn't get a clue as to what he wanted, so I made up what I thought he wanted. It took about a week. Cited lots of sources and it was a pretty detailed paper.

The class period before it was due, he outlined what he expected this paper to be. A paper that takes a week to do.

So I had two days to scrap what I'd done (I was WAY the crust off from what I thought he wanted and what he actually wanted...) and do a weeks worth of work. I got an F. I'd have complained to the chair, but he was the chair.

469 nonic  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:37:03am

#446 nonic

funky

Yep, that's it. Scroll down.

470 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:37:18am

#444 Peacekeeper

In the head...right?!

471 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:37:36am

Um, I'm Catholic, and every sperm is not sacred.


The idea about birth control is the willful disregard for the will of God. For example, my wife is 4 months pregnant, and while we don't do it anywhere near as often as I like with 3 children in the house and both of us working, when we do get to busy, I guiltlessly send tens of millions of the little swimmers on a suicide mission.

Ditto senior citizens who might still do it. The RCC approves sympto-thermal (basal temperature monitoring, along with vaginal mucus observation, and for the very brave, cervix monitoring). We did S-T NPT for 3 years between children, until we purposely used the method in reverse to conceive a child.

While not having sex during the fertile time of the period meant we went three years without conceiving, meaning each microscopic frog-man was on a one way mission, we were doing nothing artificial to prevent conception.

NPT is much more effective than the older 'calendar method', which works almost perfectly, but only if the woman involved has absolutely regular 28 day mentrual cycles. Which means it has an annual failure rate of 40 to 50% (where regular unprotected sex is about 90%, the pill is 1 to 5%, and condoms are 5 to 10%)

But every sperm is not sacred, and further, from the Catholic perspective, the sin of Onan was not masturbation. His sin was the willful disregard for God's will, in that he refused to provide an heir to his dead brother, as was the custom, by impregnating his late brother's widow.

Just wanted to clear that up.

472 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:38:00am

Jeff,

What if you are IN a secluded location, high crime neighborhood, druggies/gangsters all over the place, and that's where you have a struggle with someone aducting you?



Once again your chances of surviving a struggle aren't great but you're chances of surviving are absolutely Z-E-R-O if you go willingly with the abductor to the secluded location. If you're a woman chances are he will rape you before killing you. If you're a man chances are you will just be murdered although rape and other forms of humiliation sometimes happen with men too.

You might as well put up a fight, go out on your own terms, and spoil the sick bastard's fantasy.

And what if that struggle is inside your own car with the person taking your car keys?

See my last.

If you struggle to get out of the Car and run and avoid being "abducted" you are essentially on foot, no cell phone, bad neighborhood, 20-30 miles away from your home town. And if your wallet was stolen in the struggle along with your car keys? There's no TAXI home:-|

See my last.

473 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:39:31am

464 just a grunt OMG I hadn't heard that one. I don't watch TV except for cooking, weather, or sports.

So it's not enough for Jean Querrie et al to spew that military members are all idiots or criminals with no other choice in life, now his allies in the "entertainment" industry have to dump on military spouses.

Yeah, great patriots out there in the "entertainment" industry. That's why I stopped consuming their products long ago.

474 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:39:34am

#464 JAG

Great, thoughtful post. I'm always reassured knowing there are better men out there than I am.

475 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:40:20am

#444 Peacekeeper - SO what the fuck happened?
I hope your partner shot her in the head (though I'm sorry your partner will have to live with that). Almost sounds to me like "Copicide".

476 Buck  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:42:10am

#404 Kenneth

Saddam killed Mookies father, and it didn't help at all. Sadr would die a hero, even if he didn't deserve it.

He must be captured alive. He must have a trial. He has broken laws, and must see justice. I suspect as he sees the hangmans noose in his future he will expose every plan Iran has made with him.

Or he could write a book and make millions.

477 Golem14  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:43:15am

#28 Killian Bundy

"I am being buried in a box -- a David Blaine type thing -- in Dublin underneath a metre of mashed potato," he said. He did not explain why.

Because it's there?

To confound his enemies?

The voices told him to?

To raise public awareness?

Because it's the last place they'll look?

(this could go on and on... I assume they'll be digging him out again, although the article doesn't mention it)

478 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:43:15am

Jeff McMillan--

you are essentially on foot, no cell phone, bad neighborhood, 20-30 miles away from your home town.

A bad scene, indeed, but do you think the better answer is to allow yourself to be abducted?

You should have at least one weapon within easy reach in your car.

Also, a small tip that should be a no-brainer but isn't; when driving in a bad neighborhood, never stop directly behind the car in front of you at a red light or stop sign. Always leave enough space to be able to pull around the car in front and take off in case someone tries to carjack you.

479 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:44:16am

Sorry, I'm not loading LGF very well.

He didn't shoot her (she was about 25), she drove away and got another block further when she stopped to turn. A young man there opened the passenger door which was not locked, and pulled her out and stopped the car.
The baby survived but suffered third degree burns on her chest, arms and face from trying to fend off the exhaust pipe.
My partner? Should he have shot her when he had the chance? If that other man had not been up there a block away the baby would likely have died, There was a fifty mile an hour limited access road to turns away.

No right answer. Just don't expect drivers to do the right thing. They may be so stone drunk they have no idea. That's what this woman claimed.

480 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:45:22am

478 OR

yup, and though I don't condone breaking the law, it is much better to drive through a red light in a bad part of town than to let someone carjack you. (Provided the way is clear)

I'd rather have a "Failure to stop" ticket than a bullet in the head or a stolen car.

481 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:45:33am

# 468 LanceKates

Was this a state school?

# 67 cbinflux

So much for my lunch. She must use the same retouch specialist as Mao

482 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:46:37am

#478 Occasional Reader

Always leave enough space to be able to pull around the car in front and take off in case someone tries to carjack you

A friend of mine from way back, a policeman, told me that. And, he said a good rule of thumb is to not pull up any closer than your maintaining visibility of the tires of the car in front of you.

483 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:46:57am

456 ECC you have no idea, well it sounds like maybe you do. It enrages me that we send our people over there, and it appears that we are only doing it to make Iraq safe for Moqtada Al Sadr and his buddies.

The Air Force is using the oldest inventory in its history...granted the history only goes back to WWII or right thereafter when the Air Force became its own service instead of being the Army Air Corps. But the fact that GW Bush is running the military down worse than Jimmuh Cartuh did is sickening.

He is endangering our troops and emboldening the enemy every day he is in office. He is also allowing our nation to be overrun by angry illiterates carrying 3rd world infectious diseases while he hurts our military.

Yeah, you could say I'm angry.

484 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:47:08am

I apologize for the threadjack in advance, but I has all I can stands and I can't stands no more!

Before anybody screeches about impeaching Bush for not finding 12 million people, immediately deporting them, and instantly building an electrified, cast-iron fence on the border, please, oh please, bust out your calculators, dust off the old statistics books for the proper mathematical formulae, and point your browsers to your favorite sources for the relevant statistics:

The percentage of voters in the Mexican election of 2006 as a percentage of the eligible Mexican public

The number of illegal immigrants per year from 2001 until the 2006 Mexican election (see why in a minute)

The percentage of votes for each candidate in the Mexican election, by Mexican state and region.

Now, let's make some educated assumptions about these illegal immigrants as voters:

People who leave their country, despairing of making a decent living there, are probably not going to be all that in favor of the incumbent party.

A willingness to use American social services in the absence of Mexican social services illustrates a tendency to favor the most statist, welfare-friendly candidates possible. Hell, I'll go there: They like socialist candidates.

Some candidates in the Mexican election may not have had much impact outside of a small region of the country, and the Rio Grande Swim Team may compose of fewer than average residents of those regions, and may be less likely to vote for some region-specific candidates.

Now, to me, it seems these guys would break Obrador's way, had they stayed in Mexico. Let's not even count the fact that Calderon's base of support was in the northern parts of Mexico most likely to have ties with, and a favorable view of, the USA---a fact that could easily change if the US got froggy about immigration.

Calculate away, and think about how much the Mexican immigration situation would "improve" when AMLO started closing TV stations.

In 2002, Evo Morales won the Bolivian elections, with the help of Hugo Chavez. Intelligence agencies should have figured about 2001 that Hugo was planning on buying elections. It has taken until last week for Hugo to crack down on dissidents in a way that can no longer be swept under the rug, hopefully causing left-center voters across Latin America to pause a bit. However, you can't base your strategy on the other guy screwing up in time, and this was not on time for the 2006 elections.

Okay, now let's look at the current situation: Pretty much up until, oh say, LAST WEEK, we were having to drain Mexico of socialist voters in anticipation of past and future attempts by hostile parties to buy Mexican elections. Mexico has been taking maximum advantage of this and overplaying their hand.

Also, we have a political party whose power base is fading out, and is desperate and on the ropes. Believe it or not, I'm talking about the Democrats. Given the Dems' control of cultural resources, they have the power base to foment myths among various communities, and it would not take much to foment a myth of Republicans as anti-Hispanic racists. If Hispanic voters fearing the gringo boogeyman voted like Black voters who fear the Whitey boogeyman, the GOP has had it.

The way out Bush's strategists have seen is a sacrificial lamb of an amnesty bill. Oh, you weren't thinking it was actually going to pass, were you? Yes, Bush is throwing all of his political capital behind it...Yes, all none of his political capital. They gotta make it look good, folks.

485 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:47:26am

481 Lucius

nope. Private Christian College up in MN.

486 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:48:42am

#480 Lance:

it is much better to drive through a red light in a bad part of town than to let someone carjack you.

Fun fact about Caracas and Rio de Janeiro; people basically just DON'T stop for red lights at night, at least in large parts of those cities.

487 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:49:49am

# 485 LanceKates

No excuse, then. Sorry you had such a bad experience. That sort of thing makes my blood boil.

Off to feed the results of marital bliss.

488 Ben Hur  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:51:28am
Should indicted traitor Adam Gadahn receive a Presidential pardon if he personally kills Osama bin Laden?

Maybe, if he did by suicide bomb.

489 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:51:35am

486 OR

so, down there, "STop" IS just a suggestion? heh

487 Lucius

Have fun then.

490 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:52:31am

#483 FC

You are more than entitled to your anger. More than entitled.

491 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:52:32am

463 nonic Thanks! Oh, and where is the politician, black or white, liberal or conservative, with the balls to talk about the feral beasts roaming our inner cities?

We have our own burgening "palestinian" problem here in the USA and nobody on the political scene will address it.

Their silence makes them complicit in each death of ignorant innocent who wanders into the "wrong" part of town not knowing the dangers that exist there.

492 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:52:51am

OR,

Actually, I didn't specifically say that, but I will now. The US is stronger now than in 2000 (the end of the Bubba Era), although, yes, weaker than, say, mid-2003.

I was referring specifically to America's position in the Middle East (which was what ECC was referring to when he said "Middle East Assholes").

America's position in the Middle East is weaker now than in 2000. Our allies don't trust our resolve and our enemies know that they can strike at us with impunity.

493 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:53:46am

488 Ben Hur LOL Hey, great idea!

Except I still think Osama may be dusty remains in a cave somewhere at this point.

494 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:54:23am
495 cbinflux  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:55:28am

299 carl

At 2:27, notice the 'he's so darling, such a smart boy...' look from the commentator.

496 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:56:30am

#433 Lucius Septimius and 3-Wood - I always loved the student who would hand in a research/term paper and it would still be warm from the photocopying machine!
I just knew (and was almost always right) that that paper would suck. No proofreading (and yes I told my students that grading of papers would include spelling and grammer and "presentation" of the paper - this was graduate school and we didn't tolerate the bs that they may have gotten away with in undergraduate school). I mean I really empathized the proof reading part. It showed me right away who had put time in researching, thinking about and writing the paper.
Even though I had a "reputation" in the school, for some reason I always had more students sign up for my class than for anyother professors' class.
I would like to think that my emphasis on the student's learning what I was trying to teach them was important.
In point of fact, even though I taught the same two courses in each semester, I would prepare, from scratch, the syllabus and class notes anew. It took a lot of work, but then again, if you're gonna be a good teacher you really do have to work at it. I'd like to think that the students appreciated that. I know that the many students who stayed in touch with me after they graduated appreciated it!

497 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:57:39am

484 RS Take your strawmen and Bush love elsewhere, please.

Not one person here has called for mass deportation. Not one.

Bush has wanted this amnesty since he was governor of Texas. He's been way up front about it, so your whole "sacrificial lamb" is pure, unadulterated bullshit and shows your historical ignorance, plain and simple.

498 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 8:58:17am

#484 RS

Bush has been mostly incompetent at adequately communicating the importance of the War on Terror - people are jumping off in droves, even so soon after 9/11. I'm not convinced he can do any different in communicating your thesis on immigration (one that I am sympathetic with) to the American public. Right or wrong, Bush is not the man to implement this new America. Hell, Obama has more gravitas than “W” on this issue at this point. – F*ckin’ sad – f*ckin’ pathetic.

499 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:00:02am

ooo, was that...insensitive? sorry

500 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:02:15am
501 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:03:12am

God help us, the last politician with a national stage to criticize the noxious garbage coming out of "rap music" was BillyJeff Clinton, with his "sista soulja moment."

I believe that was in 1992.

You know, even Tipper Gore deserves some credit on this issue. I feel sorry for Tipper for being married to the AlGore, to tell the truth.

502 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:04:28am

#499 FC

They love nailing us with the mass deportation argument when we NEVER make it qua your strawman point. How about this: You want another 200,000 visas. And we have an estimated 12,000,000 illegals. Okay, so we close borders, legalize all 12,000,000 and don't allow another single visa for the duration of their "200,000" a year. This results in no new immigration for, what? 70 years? That I could work with.

503 cbinflux  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:05:14am

326 carl

MEMRI and others should block out their SS#'s.

504 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:05:29am

Oh my...

WTF is going on in here?

/going to read it all

505 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:06:32am
506 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:09:17am
507 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:10:43am

#505 buzzsawmonkey
[insert laughing spleen here]

508 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:12:28am

502 ECC Yeah, I could work with that. The whole "work Americans won't do" is BS as well. "Work Americans won't do for below poverty wages" is the true statement.

And one reason I'm not a knee-jerk republican is that I don't sit back and cheer high Dow Jones Industrial Averages if those high stock values are achieved by using cheap illegal alien labor and cheap Chinese/Vietnamese/whatever overseas factories.

Is it a huge victory for America if Nike can make sneakers in China for $2.00 a pair and sell them to gullible underemployed inner-city Americans for $100 a pair? I don't think so.

Now, do labor unions and plaintiff's attorneys and their democrat party enablers bear lots of responsibility for the sprint for foreign workers? Sure, of course they do. Does that absolve American "conservatives" of any responsibility? nope

509 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:12:51am

Scooter Libby - 30 months + $250K fine (from Rush)

/pisses me off.

510 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:14:47am

Well, I'm outta here for a few minutos.

I'm looking forward to your post about Pooty-poot Babba.

511 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:14:54am
512 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:16:44am

#471 Ed

Could you PLEASE STOP giving us these details about your sex life and your bowel movements? It is disgusting and not interesting. Have some respect for your wife, too and SHUT UP about these WAY TOO PERSONAL DETAILS about your life. Don't you have any sense of what is appropriate for a public forum like this, and what is not?

513 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:17:14am

#483 funky chicken - I know you and I have had chats out here before about Bush and the miliary and I have to reiterate that what your saying about Bush wearing down the military and at least implying that we're using WWII era equipment is NOT what I'm hearing from numerous other vets or their families.
Yes the Iraq/Afghanistan wars are taking a toll, not only on the members of the military (and their families, God bless them one and all) but also in terms of equipment losses and the like. But look at the military Bush inhereited from Clinton and how quickly he had to "Ramp UP" the military after 9/11, less than two years after he took office.
Yes, I do think and wish he had increased the size of our military (although how to do so, other than the recruiting and re-enlisting bonuses is beyond me); the strain of fighting two or more tours is clearly wearing on the troops (and again, their families). But really, what were Bush's choices? Seriously, while I disagree with the whole idea that after we took out the bad guys in Iraq we had ANY responsiblity at all to rebuild or police Iraq in any way, Bush musta figured we actually could help Iraq become a functioning democracy. On that point I think he was seriously wrong - it's gonna take waaay too long to get those tribal factions to give up the hatreds that they've held for 1200 years or so for the US to stay there and be responsible for Iraq's security long enough for the Iraqi's to pull it off.

And Bush has tried to increase the military and to modernize it (see, e.g., the F-22 Raptor and conversion of missle subs to Tomahawk chucking subs, up-armored humvees and the like). But the Disloyal Opposition and the Fifth Column (a/k/a the MSM) have made his job infinitely harder to do.
I wish I had an answer to your legitimate complaints but I don't. Then again, I didn't run for office in 2006 pretending that I did, either.

514 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:18:54am

#510 funky chicken
pooty poot post is up now lol

515 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:23:46am

513 realwest I didn't say we are using WWII equipment. I said the US Air Force has only been an independent branch of the service since WWII.

The "oldest inventory in WWII history" is just straight up fact, coming from the Air Force Association. If you need the link I can go get it.

Bush had 5 years with a congress of his own party to build the military, and he DIDN'T DO IT.

Actions speak much more loudly than words, and Bush's actions speak volumes.

516 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:26:15am

515 mine Bush and the congressional republicans spent their 5 years increasing DOMESTIC spending like LBJ did, all the while sending our military to war and telling us that they "support the troops."

517 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:28:32am

So, Funky---prove me wrong. Prove that a candidate *not* bought and paid for by Chavez would have won in 2006, had we cracked down more on illegal immigration.

Prove that had the Chavez candidate won, the situation with the Mexican border would still have improved with an increased crackdown.

Maybe my comic exaggeration should have been to take the 12 million illegals and send them into orbit and build an electrified titanium fence---that way, you can see it as the comic exaggeration it was meant to be. It was not meant to be an accurate and learned depiction of the subtleties and nuances of conservative anger over illegal immigration, it was meant as a shorthand for the tone of all the bitching that has been pissing me off.

So Bush and Rove from 2001 onwards have been political geniuses who have managed to leave the Dems with their dorks hanging in the wind time and time again are going to all of a sudden go soft and stoopid with a witch-hunting Congress breathing down their necks?

I don't believe it for a second.

518 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:29:37am
519 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:30:37am

Aargh oldest inventory in AF history, not WWII history.

520 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:32:06am

#515 funky chicken - I apologize if I misinterpreted your reference to WWII Air Force.
But again, and I hate to say this cause I like you and admire you and your husband so much, what else could Bush have done? How else could he have built up the military ( in terms of manpower, first) other than by large bonuses for reinlisting or recruitment for folks to enlist at all? There was NO WAY he could have gotten a draft through Congress, whether or not conrolled by Republicans or Democrats. What could he have done to build up the military in terms of manpower?
As to equipment, I'm still not sure I agree that we are using outdated equipment, given who we are fighting. I mean we are talking about "body-armor" when the last true war we fought, Vietnam, the best we had were flak jackets. (and btw, my friends currently serving in the infantry, HATE the new body armor cause it's too heavy and too hot).
And it's been true since the beginning of the defense department that new equipment or apparatus or even upgrades to existing equipment or apparatus take YEARS to get through the procurement pipleline (a good part of which is the Congressinal Military Appropriations committees.
I still don't know what Bush could have done that he hasn't.

521 EC Marm  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:34:56am

#471 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet
I forget, I know you listed them once, but how many blogs did you say you got banned from?

522 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:36:52am

funky:

The "oldest inventory in [USAF] history" is just straight up fact

I note that there is a LONG, LONG lead time to bring modern military aircraft from design to deployment. I wonder if Bush isn't being blamed here for Bubba's cutbacks. In any event, the F-22 did finally getting deployed, and the F-35 is in the pipeline.

Bush and the congressional republicans spent their 5 years increasing DOMESTIC spending like LBJ did, all the while sending our military to war

If you're implying that Bush did not increase military spending, that's just factually untrue.

523 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:38:43am

#508 FC

Absolutely Agreed

524 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:38:44am

517 RS yeah, I can prove that the Mexican election would have swung more socialist than it did if we had a fence. How about you prove the converse?

Frankly, build a fence and the Mexicans can vote themselves even further into socialist paradise for all I care.

I don't trust the party of Vicente Fox to do the right thing for America.

You apparently do, just like GW Bush. You're entitled to that opinion...just don't package it as some kind of revelation of the one and only truth.

525 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:39:21am
526 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:39:55am

#518 taxfreekiller - While Bush may never have been in a bar fight (I don't know) the fact is HIS ADVISORS in the Miltiary supposedly HAVE had to fight - personally, and in very UGLY wars.
They are the ones advising him about how to fight the GWoT and I question THEIR ability to be the "General to lead the U.S. to win a war".

527 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:42:38am

Yeah, OK GW Bush has been good for the military.

Sleep well, fellas.

Husband's home to take nap, gotta get off puter.

I'll have links tomorrow to facts, for a quicky suggestion on what Bush could have done rather than help Ted Stevens get his bridge to nowhere and drastically increase the federal DOE as 2 examples, see Reagan, Ronald.

528 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:43:56am

#517 RS

Have you not witnessed the entire continent slowly drifting back into the promised Bolivarian revolution? Ecquador, Brasil, Venezuela, Colombia? Even Mexico with the narrow election victory for the "right" candidate there?

Hell, RS, there are baseball players named Ivan and Vladamire/Vladimir coming out of South American! :)

Few people know that there were more murders in the capital of Brasil/Brazil last year than in the capital of Iraq. Sure, let's welcome everyone in.

529 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:44:47am

#527 funky chicken - Please say "hello" to your husband and thank him for his service from us here at LGF.

530 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:45:21am

#527FC

'night Patriotess, wife of Patriot.

531 UFO TOFU  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:50:22am

OT
This looks like a helluva helicopter. And speaking of helicopters, why the unusual rotor in this one (9th pic)

Lance
I'd like to see your report when you finish.
BBIAB

532 BabbaZee  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 9:54:53am

#518 taxfreekiller
[nodding and casting the back in the day eye]


See you all on the live ones.

Everyone knows exactly how I feel about this whole thing (label:bush) so no need to jump in now, LOL

533 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 10:08:48am

typing very quietly

[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

see replys by active duty army and marine on p.1 of comments

truth

534 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 10:13:17am

read comments LOL yeah, nice goals ya set there

[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

535 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 10:16:06am

502 Eric

You know, I wouldn't mind if we deported all of those here illegally

All at once? nah, I don't think it could be done (But I bet we could get a bunch of them at the rallies they hold on May 1st.)

Secure the border so that no more can get in, then, continue to catch and deport them as we do now.

except that with a secure border, they can't jump back in the next day.

Then, the illegals would be deported, in a realistic way.

Next step would be to 'fill the jobs' left by the illegals.

Seems to me that prison labor would be good for that. extra income for the prisons... only select prisoners can qualify. Maybe use it as a partial rehabilitation program... i.e. teach them construction and have them work on construction crews... then when their term in prison is done, they can enter the work force with X number of years experience in construction. (That helps the liberals who feel that prisons are to rehabilitate, not punish)... then they can qualify for a foreman position somewhere.

Picking crops? any prisoner can do that.

Let them only make a buck an hour... The money doesn't go to them, it goes to the prison. This offsets budget needs which makes prisons more efficient cost-wise.

it also keeps people out of prison...

For the housekeeping type jobs... lots of people on Welfare that can work those jobs on a short term basis.

These are jobs, not careers.

536 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 10:21:11am

531 UFO

when I finish it, I'll make sure you get a copy.

Maybe I'll post it online if I can find a place to host it.

537 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 10:27:01am

Eric Cartman (528) We can get tougher only as of last week.

RCTV was an overreach, an overreach we knew was coming (birds gotta fly, fish gotta swim, commies gotta oppress). We just could not count on this overreach happening in time for the election of a nation on our border.

You see, ever since Castro, we have ensured that Latin American socialism was stomped on during the Cold War at every opportunity. Castro controls Cuba, an island that is very hard to escape. You don't need walls if you have the wide, blue sea. Nobody sees the death squads if reporting on them gets you killed (if you are a citizen) or gets yourself and your entire news organization ejected from the island (if you are not). Therefore, the Latin American Left has been able to "couldawouldashoulda" on the question of socialism in other Latin American countries (read Allende and Chile), and Castro has been able to control the news coming out of Cuba. Latin Americans are still convinced that they can make socialism work "this time."

One of the reasons Chavez hasn't met with something politically or physically...inconvenient is that he will do more to burst the myth of Latin American socialism than any campaign by the USA. I would imagine that RCTV has...limited Chavez's future ability to buy elections. ,Try finding sympathetic press when your major funding source is known for closing TV stations!

538 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 10:28:38am

Well, you all left. Here's a good article by Jim Talent, former GOP senator of my old home state:

April 19, 2007 6:30 AM

A Recipe for Military Readiness
All the armed forces need a revamp — and have for over a decade.

By Jim Talent

The Army is stressed, Time reports in its April 16, 2007 issue. According to Time:


The Air Force and Navy have gotten too much money over the years
The services have spent too much on high tech equipment
The Army is not good enough at anti-guerilla warfare
The Army should be bigger

On one point, Time is undoubtedly correct. The active duty Army should be bigger. On the other points, Time is either simply wrong or has concentrated on debatable operational issues rather than the strategic dilemma America now faces.

The problem with America’s military is not that the Navy and Air Force got too much money (that is not true) or that the services have bought too much high tech equipment (they actually haven’t bought nearly enough). The problem is that all three of the services have been systematically underfunded since the beginning of the Clinton administration. The stress we now see in the Army is the logical and foreseeable result of underfunding by President Clinton throughout the 1990s, an inadequate response by the current administration, and the effects of four years of grinding combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

Good stuff by a GOP guy.

539 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 10:30:49am

#534 funky chicken - Geez I hate having to disagree with you cause I really do like you and respect you but I have to, again, ask what is it you think Bush could do? I DON'T disagree with the "overuse" or whatever of troops, I don't disagree that we need LOTS more Army and Marines (Infantry and Armor types) and more and better equipement, but I still have to ask you what you think Bush can do or should do?
As both Occassional Reader and I have indicated, bringing new equipment (and not just for the Air Force, either) is a long and tedious process, usually because of the Congress procurment/appropriations situation.
Just to be clear here: although I have friend in the infantry who disagree with those who say they don't have enough or the right equipment, that really doesn't matter, what matters is if our military is in fact "broke" how do we fix it - quickly. As an infantry vet of Vietnam, nothing would please me more than for us to increase the number of troops and decrease the number of tours our current troops have to endure. The problem is I still don't know what the hell to do about it.

540 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 10:32:24am

Funky (538)

How long is it going to take us to recover from the "peace dividend?"

541 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 10:43:50am

Since Writer Mom has been a nasty little beach to me in the past, I doubt I'll change the occasional bad taste TMI to make her happy.


She is always free to visit the rest of the menopausal mafia at Discarded Lies if she can't stand it. Or maybe buy a mouse with a scroll wheel.

542 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 10:53:40am

#540 RememberSekhmet? - With all due respect, please see the link by Occasional Reader at #522, there has been over a 40% increase in defense spending since Bush first took office. Clinton musta fucked up the military even more than most of us thought.
But I'm through with this; I hate blue on blue aruging in the first place and especially when we're all saying the same thing, but don't have any answers to the problems.

543 newmelleman  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 10:55:28am

#541 Ed

Since Writer Mom has been a nasty little beach to me in the past, I doubt I'll change the occasional bad taste TMI to make her happy.

Maybe some interesting fonts and exotic colors in the TMI posts would help?

:P

NMM

544 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 11:02:44am

Senor Feliz at least deserves his own color font. :0 :0

/I don't know how to do the curly thingy over the n.

545 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 11:03:31am

Seems to me that Charles would be the one to decide if a post is not right for HIS blog.

Though, Ed's post doesn't seem offensive to me. Talked about a religious theme... discussed catholic view on birth control, even brought in the concept of masturbation in a way that was not overtly vulgar.

While I don't know that I'd want an 8 year old kid to read it, I definately don't see it as evil in any way, and actually a pretty conservative way to discuss such an issue.

Then again, I'm one of those evil christians.

*grin*

546 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 11:38:03am

#528 Cartman's Conscience:

Have you not witnessed the entire continent slowly drifting back into the promised Bolivarian revolution? Ecquador, Brasil, Venezuela, Colombia? Even Mexico with the narrow election victory for the "right" candidate there?

Venezuela, yes. Ecuador, yes. (And Bolivia.) Brazil, I'd put it at a close "no"... Lula chummed around with Chavez at first, but lately has been doing photo ops with Bush and politely declining Hugo's offers. Colombia, not even close to being "Bolivarian revolution". President Uribe is a solid conservative, and has smacked down the communist terrorist groups more thoroughly than any predecessor. And the narrow victory in Mexico was, in fact, a big setback for Chavez's hemispheric aims. Ditto, his boy losing in Peru. Going further afield, Bachelet in Chile is "Socialist", but no further left than her predecessor and probably slightly to the right. In short, I'd say we've already witnessed the high tide of the Chavista phenomenon are now now seeing a rapid ebb.

#528 funky:

The piece you link to is quite similar to what realwest and I have been saying; many if not most of the shortcomings of today's military are hangovers from the Clinton cutbacks. It take a lot more time to build up than to chop down.

547 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 11:44:07am

I am always in complete amazement at the knowledge of this blog's host and the commentors.

/not sucking up either!

548 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 11:47:36am

#541 Ed

If you think I'm a nasty bitch, why not just say so? I'm flattered actually that you chose such a mild comment for me. You have such a way with words. Do you save your real feelings for your posts on other blogs?

#545 lancekates

You're just a *stupid*, *ignorant*, jerk.

*grin*

549 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 11:51:16am

547 gettinby

you don't need to suck up. You're good with a gun.

550 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 11:54:03am

#549 lancekates

What is that supposed to mean? Are you threatening me? You want to spell it out a little clearer?

551 lurking faith  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 11:54:08am

PK

"Never get in front of a car."

Boy, howdy; you aren't kidding.

I'm kind of surprised the following story got almost no notice here at LGF - we have enough DC area people that I would have thought it would be discussed. (Okay, Chicken Kiev did mention it over the weekend. But that was all I found.)

A woman (allegedly) on crack (allegedly) plowed her car through a street festival for blocks

At least 40 people, including seven children, were hurt when Bell drove her station wagon through the crowd. In the midst of the mayhem, parents pushed their children aside and tossed empty strollers in her path, hoping to block her. Police on bicycles and motorbikes didn't dare use their weapons with so many people at risk. Instead, they threw two motorized scooters beneath Bell's vehicle, bringing it to a stop.

Bell's expression while driving disturbed witnesses.

She appeared to be laughing, they said.

She also had her 7-year-old kid in the car with her.

552 lurking faith  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 11:58:46am

#550 WriterMom

Did I miss something? I'm not sure why you're taking LanceKates's comment to gettinby's comment as directed at you.

553 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 11:58:54am

551 Lurking

Good thing that no one in DC can have guns (except for people working for Congress/Administration types)

I mean, someone could have been hurt if there had been a gun there.

*shakes head*

horrible story. There are truly people who have destroyed themselves. Poor kid. The children always suffer for the sins of the parents.

554 WriterMom  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:00:17pm

Apologies if I misinterpreted the comment by lancekates about being good with a gun.

Not apologizing for anything else.

555 lurking faith  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:07:17pm

#553 Lance

Actually, there were police there, providing security for the street festival.

They didn't shoot because of the significant danger of hitting bystanders. It was a crowd scene.

And with the car in gear and moving, killing the driver doesn't necessarily stop the car.

556 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:10:16pm

555 lurking

well, my post was somewhat jovial (if such a thing can be done of such a horrid event)

They don't allow people to have handguns out of a fear that there'd be rampant death...

but this lady seemed to cause quite a commotion without the use of any firearm.

maybe a weapon is any object used against another in a violent way.

Guns, with almost no equal except perhaps tobacco, are instantly viewed as evil.

Yet there was all that mess... she didn't fire one shot. Didn't even have a gun.

I wouldn't have suggested shooting her... not just for the people standing around, but also for the little kid in the car.

557 Occasional Reader  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:15:03pm

Lance Kates--

This was a street festival in the Southeast DC neighborhood of Anacostia. Trust me, there were PLENTY of civilians with guns around... although not necessarily the kind you might WANT to have carrying a gun.

558 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:16:12pm

551 lurking faith the criminal wasn't ROP, so it's not a LGF topic per se.

Also note that the criminal is a black woman. It's very, very, very uncomfortable in today's PC environment to talk about deranged black criminals.

This is interesting:

D.C. Council member Marion Barry said his chief of staff is trying to determine whether Bell works as a temporary employee for Barry's council office. Barry (D-Ward 8) said someone named Tonya Bell has worked in the office for several weeks. "Whether it is the same person or not, I am trying to check it out," Barry said last night. "I've asked my chief of staff to try and find out if this Miss Bell is one of several administrative aides we use from temporary agencies."

Also, an LGFer did a post where they had googled Tonya Bell and found some moonbat anti-war political activity but didn't know if it was the same Tonya Bell. If it is, it would explain the MSM disinterest.

559 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:16:47pm

The thread about Midway^^^ is very nice.

My father-in-law (may he rest in peace) served on the USS Preston, which was sunk in battle. Fortunately for me, he was one of the survivors. As it is with most WWII vets, he was one helluva man.

560 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:22:34pm

557 OR

heh.. in DC anyone (other than certain government people) carrying a gun is a criminal in the government's eyes...

but I get your meaning, nonetheless.

561 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:34:19pm

Maybe for Christmas someone can get me their new handgun they're developing.

562 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:39:57pm

Lance

What is it exactly?

563 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:44:36pm

What a son of a bitch Babarck Obama is:

Obama Warns of 'Quiet Riot' Among Blacks
HAMPTON, Va. - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Tuesday that the Bush administration has done nothing to defuse a "quiet riot" among blacks that threatens to erupt just as riots in Los Angeles did 15 years ago.

The first-term Illinois senator said that with black people from New Orleans and the Gulf Coast still displaced 20 months after Hurricane Katrina, frustration and resentments are building explosively as they did before the 1992 riots.

"This administration was colorblind in its incompetence," Obama said at a conference of black clergy, "but the poverty and the hopelessness was there long before the hurricane.

"All the hurricane did was to pull the curtain back for all the world to see," he said.

Obama's attack on Bush got ovation after ovation from the nearly 8,000 people gathered in Hampton University's Convocation Center, particularly when he denounced the Iraq war and noted that he had opposed it from the outset.

Repeatedly, he referred to the riots that erupted in Los Angeles after a jury acquitted four police officers of assault charges in the 1991 beating of Rodney King, a black motorist, after a high speed chase. Fifty-five people died and 2,000 were injured in several days of riots in the city's black neighborhoods.
"Those 'quiet riots' that take place every day are born from the same place as the fires and the destruction and the police decked out in riot gear and the deaths," Obama said. "They happen when a sense of disconnect settles in and hope dissipates. Despair takes hold and young people all across this country look at the way the world is and believe that things are never going to get any better."

He argued that once a hurricane hits or a jury renders a not guilty verdict, "the frustration is there for all to see."

Obama, who is bidding to become the first black president, took the stage after a succession of ministers repeatedly brought the crowd to its feet, singing, praying and swaying to music.
{emphasis realwest]
[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

564 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:46:52pm

Apologies if my comment on the "peace dividend" were misinterpreted. I ain't arguing that Clinton effed up the military. I think it's going to take a long time (More than one Administration's worth) to repair the damage, especially as we are trying to fight a war, and battling moonbats the whole way to do it.

565 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:49:04pm

RealWest---"Quiet riots?"

I don't wanna cum on feel THAT noise

(oh gods, I'm dating myself aren't I?)

566 realwest  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:49:47pm

PIMF: Barack

567 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:50:46pm

562 gettinby

it is an electronic gun.

Rather than having rounds in a mag that are cycled into the chamber, the rounds are lined up one behind another, each meeting up with some sort of electrode.

When the trigger is pulled, a signal is sent to the electrode to fire that one round, clearing the way for the next round to fire.

they say that, for the full auto ones they've developed, you get a handful of rounds fired before you start to feel the recoil.

They're developing giant anti-aircraft models that fire ungodly numbers of rounds at a plane instead of a missile or artillery.

They're also developing a handgun version. I saw some of their prototype designs on "Futureweapons" and they have designs for one that is just a tube with buttons rather than a trigger.

heh. nice.

568 newmelleman  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:51:32pm

Realwest

"Those 'quiet riots' that take place every day are born from the same place as the fires and the destruction and the police decked out in riot gear and the deaths," Obama said. "They happen when a sense of disconnect settles in and hope dissipates. Despair takes hold and young people all across this country look at the way the world is and believe that things are never going to get any better."

They also happen when folks figure this is an opportunity to apply the old "5 finger discount" and get a free plasma TV.

569 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:52:47pm

563 realwest

The first-term Illinois senator said that with black people from New Orleans and the Gulf Coast still displaced 20 months after Hurricane Katrina,

after 20 months, they couldn't get a job?

No... not displaced... just dependent.

570 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 12:53:31pm

#561 Lance

Nevermind...found some information on it.

And at Wikipedia (for what it's worth).

Wow.

571 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:00:25pm

I wonder how many Floridians were still displaced 20 months after THREE hurricanes passed over us? Hmmm?

/well, shoot, maybe it was FOUR?

572 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:07:50pm

569

Agreed. When you expect the government that brought you the Post Office to rescue you from an oncoming storm in a timely manner... you might be too dependent.

Contrast this with Rita, which plowed over western Louisiana and East Texas, with the Good Old Boys and their pick-em-up trucks. I doubt that Boudreaux or Jasper in their rented trailers are all that much wealthier than the folks in the Ninth Ward, and their homes were as much, if not more, damaged.

However, who is whining about the plight of Rita refugees? They prioritized having transportation in the first place, loaded up their transportation, called up Aunt Susie in Dallas for crash space, and got the heck out of there, without a care what the government was or was not saying.

573 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:08:03pm

571 gettinby

What? Surely you demanded your free rent in a New York City Hotel! (at which point you were later paid to leave!)

574 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:13:09pm

572 Remember

I remember as a kid, on Halloween Night, we got some 3 feet of precip.

in one night.

Some parts got more!

No FEMA... no city assistance... no federal assistance.

We just opened a window, crawled out, and began shoveling.

some people, who owned a bobcat, became businessmen and charged 50 bucks a driveway to move the snow.


Another night, we got so much freezing rain that our power was knocked out for 3 days. So bitterly cold that we had to drain our baseboard hot water heat as it was approaching freezing.

All things said, we didn't have above 60 degree temps INSIDE for over a week. No Power for 3 days. No way to go to a store or leave the house (due to fears of heat loss).

No Fema, no city assistance, no federal assistance (Though we did have an offer from the phone company to make use of their generator that they had plugged up to the phone lines to generate enough power to make phone calls. We didn't take them up on it as the neighbor needed it more than we did (to power the heaters in his barn so the cows didn't die)

We just huddled up on a couch in snowsuits and covered in blankets.

575 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:17:47pm

#573 Lance

What? Surely you demanded your free rent in a New York City Hotel! (at which point you were later paid to leave!)

I blame my mom for not teaching me the ways of "milking the government."

Everytime I falldown/go boom, I have stupidly risen back on my feet on my own doing. Never occurred to me to ask my mommydaddygovernment for help.

/boy, am I one stupid [expletive deleted].

576 Widow'smight  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:17:49pm

Lance,

I remember as a kid, on Halloween Night, we got some 3 feet of precip.

in one night.

Maybe the folks moving the snow drew the comparison to sex, ya know ...

Sex is like snowfall, you never know how much you're gonna get, or how long it's going to last. You just know you're gonna pay for it when it's over (especially us husbands).

I shoveled 140 feet of driveway with 3-1/2 to 4 foot of snow by myself. Had to use my truck to pull the car out. Jan 96

577 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:21:01pm

It was an interesting day, in the news, here on LGF, and in my real life.

Bye for now {all y'all}.

578 gettinby  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:22:34pm

Hi Widow'smight!

Bye for now.

579 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:34:32pm

575 gettinby

N

ever occurred to me to ask my mommydaddygovernment for help.

Now you know, and Knowing is have of the Politically Correct NonViolent Police-Action to Secure Peace.

/ Brought to you by the DNC.


576 Widow

Yeah. I live in Oklahoma now. Our cranky thing last winter was a couple of inches of frozen rain mixed with sleet that made traveling impossible, but left doors openable.

580 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:35:49pm

and Knowing is have of


have? HAVE?!

Where'd I learn to type, Cooking school?

581 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:36:44pm

take care gettinby

*flashes the secret gun owners handsign*

582 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:48:22pm
*flashes the secret gun owners handsign*


Is that the one where you point your index finger, cock your thumb and go, "Bang-bang"?
;-)

Hey, {guys}~
What's up?

583 Widow'smight  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:48:36pm

Lance,

One last one, it was nice being here a little.

Minnesota is a loverly state from what I hear. My bride would not handle that winter very well. She prolly could handle OK though, if there isn't much snow and cold.

See ya tomorrow I hope.

584 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:50:18pm

Looks like I'm late to the party.
:-(
Was at the dentist most of the morning and had to play catch-up all afternoon.

585 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:52:02pm

Yeah, you're right. It's all Bill Clinton's fault. I'm not sure what's wrong with you guys and why you are so upset at the truth about Bush's incompetence as CinC.

A brief history is warranted. (For more detail, see my article on the military in the March 5, 2007, issue of National Review.) Ronald Reagan understood a fundamental truth: Defense policy is foreign policy, because influence in the world depends on force plus resolution, in addition to a nation’s economic might. So President Reagan increased defense spending by double digits in his first two years in office, reversing the underfunding of the Carter years. The result was a recapitalized military with equipment that used the latest technology. That military was the foundation of America’s successes in the 1980s and ’90s: the collapse of the Soviet Union, the victory in Desert Storm, and the end of genocide in Bosnia.

When Bill Clinton assumed power in 1993, he returned to the policies of the Carter years. He dramatically underfunded our military. During Operation Desert Storm, the active Army had 18 divisions — each with 10,000 to 20,000 soldiers; the Clinton administration cut it to its current size of 10, despite clear, bipartisan warnings from Congress and newly retired Chiefs of Staff that the Army could not carry out the national military strategy on a sustained basis at that level of strength. There were similar cuts in the Air Force and Navy.

Even worse, the Clinton administration did not buy enough equipment even for the reduced force. His administration took a “procurement holiday.” It cut modernization budgets and bought anywhere from 50-90 percent fewer “platforms” — ships, planes, and vehicles — than the military needed to maintain its capital stock. These decisions were driven by short-term budget concerns rather than objective evaluations of military requirements. For example, the administration usually justified cuts in personnel numbers on the grounds that a transformed military needed fewer troops, but then failed to fund the modernization programs that were necessary for transformation.

President Bush has increased military funding, but not enough to make up for the underfunding of the 1990s. After 9/11, the administration should have increased force structure and vastly increased acquisition funding. Instead, this year the government is funding the regular military budget (not counting day-to-day war expenses) at 3.3 percent of GDP, a very low level historically.

The result is a force that, across the board, desperately needs more troops and more modern equipment. The Army is the focus of attention now, and certainly Army training is suffering, though morale, recruiting, and retention are much better than Time suggests. But the larger problem with the Time article is that it judges preparedness in terms of the capabilities needed by one service in the current conflict. The only effective way to prepare a military is the way Reagan did it — by honestly evaluating and funding all the capabilities that will be needed to deal with every substantial threat over the foreseeable future. Had the Clinton administration used that standard, or had the Bush administration promptly and decisively changed course after 9/11, many of our troops would not be on their third or fourth rotation, and they would not have to make ongoing Herculean efforts to sustain a deteriorating fleet of weapon systems and support vehicles.

586 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:52:29pm

did they at least give you the good drugs?

587 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:55:12pm

That piece was written by Jim Talent. Here's his bio:

Jim Talent is a distinguished fellow in military affairs at the Heritage Foundation. He served in the U.S. House of Representatives (1993-2001) and the U.S. Senate (2002-2007). He was a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee and, for four years, chairman of the committee’s Seapower Committee.

He's GOP all the way, and like Santorum is a decent guy who lost his seat in 2006 because of a voter revolt over spending, immigration, and mishandling of the war.

NO the dimocrats aren't better. But that doesn't mean that all the problems that are hurting our military can be laid at Clinton's feet.

588 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:58:56pm
did they at least give you the good drugs?


Nitrous (gas) and two shots of novacaine. It's kind of sensitive now, but should be fine by tomorrow.

589 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 1:59:30pm

585 funky

I think part of the issue is within the military... (Stick with me here.)

When Clinton came aboard, lots of high military brass called it quits, knowing what an anti-military nut he is.

So, the upper branches got a bit top heavy with people who may not be the best, but were the best that didn't quit.

The President operates off of input from such people.

The governor of Texas isn't going to be a military genius, but he is going to rely on the people who are SUPPOSED to be military Geniuses.

While I do fault the President for listening to the advice of career minded red tape loving lefties who are more worried about press coverage than a strong and secure win, I don't put blame solely with President Bush.

The same with Intel. Lots of good people left when Clinton took over, which left the bureaucrats who love power more than (apparently) the welfare of the country, so they play CYA (Cover Your A**) rather than PYCYA (Protect Your Country You A**).

I am rather upset with him when it comes to immigration, though there is no longer much he can do with a Democrat Congress except Veto.

590 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:00:41pm

588 redstate

never had nitro... does it actually make you laugh?

how do they manage to work if it does?

Hope you get better... especially by dinnertime!

591 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:01:28pm

funky
Are you from Missouri?

592 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:04:00pm
never had nitro... does it actually make you laugh?


With my dentist it can, 'cause he's so funny.

593 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:06:35pm

Lance, there is more truth in your post than you know I think.

One of the first things Clinton tried to to to save money was to cut the military retirement from 50% of base pay to 33%. People started bailing out like crazy, so he had to reverse that.

Then they offered huge incentive packages and early retirement to lots of folks. My husband was too young to take one of them at the time, but lots of smart folks took the incentive packages and used them to escape government employment.

One reason I'm so upset with GW Bush is that starting about a year ago they started offering incentive packages to Air Force pilots if they would leave the service.

This at the same time we are at war? Does the president actually believe his own rhetoric? Trust me, the USAF isn't drowning in excess pilots.

Unfortunately, my husband is a couple years too OLD this time to grab the brass ring and get the hell out.

If Hillary! or Obama win in 2008 we could really, really get screwed. It's the primary reason I'm so damned mad at Bush for ruining the GOP.

594 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:08:38pm

591 redneck I grew up there...and followed the Talent/McCaskill race from afar.

I don't think Talent lost his seat because of Limbaugh/Fox/stem cells but because folks in MO don't like BS, and thought the GOP was feeding them BS. JMHO of course.

595 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:08:40pm

593 funky

i'll be honest... while I am losing weight and getting in shape for some kind of military service, I do kind of question the wisdom in joining under a hillary or Obama. (Especially with the liklihood, then, that I'd end up with a blue helmet on, watching muslims bomb jews or christians in various countries, unable to do anything except watch.)

596 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:12:25pm

funky chicken

591 redneck I grew up there...and followed the Talent/McCaskill race from afar.


Me too, northeast MO.

597 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:14:03pm

But, here's the rub: It's Bush who puts out the budget requests. He didn't do the Reagan thing even after 9/11/01. He could have requested a 10-15% increase in military spending/recruitment caps after 9/11/01 and just pilloried the dems if they resisted.

It would have been the right thing to do, and would have been great political theater as well, especially since he ran on Clinton's ruination of the military in 2000.

But he didn't do it.

And notice that he started the incentives for leaving the USAF well before the dimocraps won control of congress in Nov. 2006.

He's full of crapola, and I just don't get it.

598 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:17:47pm

563 realwest If Obama wins, it's time for white folks to move to gated communities. I wonder if Obama is really sick enough to think the Christian/Newsome murders are part of his "quiet riots."

He's a black power socialist. NOT GOOD.

599 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:19:16pm

597 funky

we're partially operating out of 20/20 hindsight.

He was told at the time that the current military force would be more than enough with the suggested increases that we've had over the years since 9/11.

It gets back to the worthiness of the people supplying information to the President.

I'd have wanted an informed opinion if I were the president, and if multi-star generals from a few branches of the military are suggesting that they have what they need, who am I to disagree?

Now, in hindsight, I'd have jacked up military spending, required congress to cut pork spending and underutilized public program spending and loaded up on the military.

I would have taken more of a Bomb them until they submit then rebuild the remnant type approach, like we did with the island of Japan.

I would have given notice to ALL Muslim countries, and all Terrorists of any religious pursuasion, that America, the sleeping dragon, has awoken and will snuff out any who would seek to harm her.

The Press and the Dems would hate me, and that would be my moral guide that I was doing the right thing.

600 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:19:49pm

I have been disappointed in the president, as well. Especially his second term; HOWEVER, he sure beats the hell out of the alternative. I can't even imagine what kind of shape we'd be in if Al Gore or John Kerry were in the oval office.

601 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:23:21pm

600 redstate

given my previous post, where I said:

while I am losing weight and getting in shape for some kind of military service,

If we had one of them, i'd likely try to get fatter.

602 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:30:13pm
If we had one of them, i'd likely try to get fatter.


:-)

603 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:33:35pm

602 redstate

heh. probably wouldn't try to get fatter, but I thought the idea would make you smile.

Not that smiling is so hot with a hurting mouth, but you get my idea.

(Actually, I think I bought a bike today)

604 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:40:23pm
(Actually, I think I bought a bike today)


Do you think it was a motorbike or a bike bike?

605 redstateredneck  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:43:46pm

I'm off to the fitness center to work out.
/gettin' stronger♪♪

606 LanceKates  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:46:27pm

bicycle.

Wallyworld has one for 150 bucks that is no longer what they're carrying, so the guy was going to mark it down to 75.

Since I have cpr classes yesterday and tomorrow, and martial arts tonight, I asked if my dad would go grab it, if it is still there.

I'll find out when I get home if it is. heh.

607 funky chicken  Tue, Jun 5, 2007 2:55:37pm

Well, another lazy day spent online instead of doing something more constructive.

Bad chicken, bad.

See ya later guys.

Oh, and Lance...the only reason to join during a hillary! or obama administration would be to do well so you would be sure to get offered the $50,000 tax free "voluntary separation pay."

Yes, that's what they are offering.


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