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Wed, Jun 6, 2007 at 8:52:01 pm PDT

From a 1967 concert in Sweden, arguably the greatest jazz quintet ever—Miles Davis, Tony Williams, Wayne Shorter, Ron Carter and Herbie Hancock—performing Footprints.

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1 davesax  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 8:54:16pm

Yup, that's how it's done.

2 Carridine  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 8:55:57pm

Oooh! Miles Davis!

YESSS! *fist pumps air, gleefully!*

3 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:01:09pm

Gonna' drop some links from the previous thread.

4 scanderbeg  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:03:09pm

Excellent! I was just listening to "Kind of Blue" and Best of Miles and Coltrane this afternoon.

5 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:07:58pm

General George S. Patton's Speech to the Third Army - the Unabridged Edition
1. Somewhere in England June 5th, 1944

"Be seated."

Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle.

You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight. When you, here, every one of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.

You are not all going to die. Only two percent of you right here today would die in a major battle. Death must not be feared. Death, in time, comes to all men. Yes, every man is scared in his first battle. If he says he's not, he's a liar. Some men are cowards but they fight the same as the brave men or they get the hell slammed out of them watching men fight who are just as scared as they are. The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared. Some men get over their fright in a minute under fire. For some, it takes an hour. For some, it takes days. But a real man will never let his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood.

Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base. Americans pride themselves on being He Men and they ARE He Men. Remember that the enemy is just as frightened as you are, and probably more so. They are not supermen.

All through your Army careers, you men have bitched about what you call "chicken shit drilling." That, like everything else in this Army, has a definite purpose. That purpose is alertness. Alertness must be bred into every soldier. I don't give a fuck for a man who's not always on his toes. You men are veterans or you wouldn't be here. You are ready for what's to come. A man must be alert at all times if he expects to stay alive. If you're not alert, sometime, a German son-of-an-asshole-bitch is going to sneak up behind you and beat you to death with a sockful of shit! There are four hundred neatly marked graves somewhere in Sicily, all because one man went to sleep on the job. But they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before they did.

An Army is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is pure horse shit. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about fucking! We have the finest food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-bitches we're going up against. By God, I do.

My men don't surrender, and I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he has been hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight back. That's not just bull shit either. The kind of man that I want in my command is just like the lieutenant in Libya, who, with a Luger against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of the Kraut with his helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German before they knew what the hell was coming off. And, all of that time, this man had a bullet through a lung. There was a real man!

6 Zooty Zoot  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:09:53pm

As for the greatest jazz quintet ever, I'd be inclined to go with the earlier incarnation of the Miles Davis Quintet, with John Coltrane, Paul Chambers, Philly Joe Jones, and Red Garland.

Of course, the Hot Fives are not to be neglected here -- Satch, Johnny Dodds, Kid Ory, Johnny St. Cyr, and Lil Hardin.

7 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:10:13pm

Immediately opened Kind of Blue on the IPOD.

8 meMarc  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:13:29pm

Is this where you vote for Ron Paul?

9 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:14:14pm

Miles Davis? Unbelievable.

10 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:15:04pm

Mandy, did you get to post all the parts of the Patton Letter on the last thread? That is awesome.

11 the anti-jihadist  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:16:37pm

My latest slam against the Jihad is up at Malaysia Today. Enjoy!

[Link: malaysia-today.net...]

12 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:16:50pm

Ron Paul is a truther-hugging, jihadi-sucking traitor.

13 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:18:00pm

OT:

"If liberals think Iraqis are genetically incapable of pulling off even the most rudimentary form of democracy, why do they believe 50 million Mexicans will magically become good Americans, imbued in the nation's history and culture, upon crossing the Rio Grande? Maybe we should dunk Iraqis in the Rio and see what happens. "

-AC (who else?)

14 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:27:52pm
arguably the greatest jazz quintet ever

Now, if we were talking quartets . . .

/Return to Forever

15 Jeffersonian  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:28:32pm

Davis is amazing, but Hancock is sublime. He's only gotten better the past 40 years.

16 braverutherford  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:28:39pm

mmm, miles davis.

got a nice vid of him at a prince concert on some new year's eve... he acts like a walk-on extra in a demille pic... still, it does nothing to zap my view of the man...

"All this shit about me being better in the old days... pitiful thinking from reactionary motherfuckers who weren't even there."
-miles, to Musician magazine back in the early 80s

the above is my favorite miles quote... hope i got it right

17 braverutherford  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:31:10pm

/or was it "pitiful thinking from reactionary motherfuckers"?

note to self: quit the drink

18 braverutherford  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:32:16pm

/no, it was "reactionary thinking from pitiful mot-"

(stops before posting the MF word again)

yeah, THAT's what it was...

19 DesertSage  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:33:33pm
20 trailortrash  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:36:05pm

nice, thx charles :)

21 Promethea  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:38:17pm

#5 MandyManners . . .

Thanks for posting Patton's speech. My dad was in Patton's army. I've always been proud of that fact.

Could Patton give such a speech today?

I hope our military professionals understand that they must win their battles. We cannot afford to lose.

If our civilization dies, it may never rise again. For most people of the world, life is "nasty, brutal, and short." It's only Western Civilization that has given hope to ordinary people for a better life.

22 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:39:56pm

Kelsey Smith killer now in custody.

/name: Edwin Hall

23 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:40:10pm

Kinda partial to Tina Turner myself...even tho her husband Ike was a slime

24 braverutherford  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:40:50pm

#14

i'll see your "return to forever" full house and raise you this royal flush...

/posted only because "a love supreme" wasn't available in this form

25 meMarc  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:42:57pm

#12 Ward Cleaver

Nice use of the hyphen.

26 Buckeye Abroad  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:43:57pm

Europeans' flight from Europe

Last year more than 155,000 Germans emigrated from their native country. Since 2004 the number of ethnic Germans who leave each year is greater than the number of immigrants moving in. While the emigrants are highly motivated and well educated, "those coming in are mostly poor, untrained and hardly educated," says Stephanie Wahl of the German Institute for Economics.

The fruits of socialism.

Europe cannot afford to be "Eldorado" for foreigners any longer, because it has stopped being "home" for thousands of its own educated children, now eagerly looking for opportunities to move to America, Canada, Australia or New Zealand -- white European nations outside Europe.

Cultural suicide tends to get messy.

27 Durendal  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:47:02pm

not a big fan of the jazz...great example of academics degrading into nihilism imo


here's a infuriating thought on the murder of Kelsey Smith...(if you need another)...if this had happened in Saudi, Iran, or any other home of Death Cult of Peace, and she had been found alive, she would be facing lashes, or execution, or even honor killing by her own family...

28 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:52:55pm

Regarding jazz- I like my Black Coffee

Heck, everyone should groove to Dave Brubeck - Take Five

29 So?  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:53:20pm

#14 Killian Bundy

Thanks for that. Brought back many memories. Return To Forever was the band that turned me on to jazz...After Hendrix passed, there wasn't much that got me excited until I heard "Mystery" by Return To Forever... all the members went on to become legends

30 braverutherford  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 9:54:01pm

#22

been following that. left work today with a broken heart upon learning that they found her as they did...

may her killer not get the easy out of the death penalty, but the long, slow death of the soul via a long, long stretch in a federal prison, with the bigger inmates making him into the community bitch he deserves to be made into

31 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:00:23pm

That was great. Loved Herbie. Thanks for putting a smile on my face, Charles.

32 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:03:36pm

OT

Unbelievable:

Home Depot Fires Men Who Stopped Thieves (Read the whole thing, it really is as bad as it sounds)

MIDWEST CITY, Okla. -- A former Home Depot employee said the company fired him and three other workers because they helped police catch several suspected shoplifters in May.Midwest City Police said the men helped officers catch suspected shoplifters as they tried to run from a store with lawn equipment.

An internal memo from Home Depot outlines that associates cannot accuse, detain, chase or call the police on any customer for shoplifting. (emphasis added)

WTF? What the F**king F**k!?
Don't call the cops? What are they supposed to do? Any lizardoids need a new lawn tractor? Hell, rent a truck and take off with a dozen of them.

33 Durendal  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:07:52pm

#32 Shiplord Kirel

wow that is ridiculous...i suspect their legal dept convinced them that the danger of a racism/etc lawsuit was worse...short this stock please...

34 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:18:36pm

I'm one of those people who doesn't get Jazz. It sounds like discord to me, although I can certainly recognize instrumental skill.

An internal memo from Home Depot outlines that associates cannot accuse, detain, chase or call the police on any customer for shoplifting. (emphasis added)

Let's kill all the lawyers
Kill 'em tonight

With apologies to non-destructive lawyers who may be reading

35 cbinflux  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:19:28pm

Scat

36 Durendal  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:19:30pm

#30 braverutherford

with the bigger inmates making him into the community bitch

he would probably enjoy that. just kill the ***er now

37 jehu  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:19:51pm

Jazz like this annoys me, I don't care how good everyone says it is, where the hell is the melody? Like modern art, senseless gobs of paint on the canvas. Like the artist is too stupid to paint a landscape or human form.

38 cbinflux  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:23:12pm

Caribbean has greater dangers than radical Islam
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

39 kywrite  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:23:42pm

Hey, Marines! I need a little advice.

My 19-year-old son, who has never been in great physical shape in his life (video games, not football), recently dropped 50 pounds so he could qualify for the Navy or Coasties. Well, while he was waiting at the Navy office (where his recruiter was late), the Marine recruiter struck up a conversation with him.

To make a long story short, he took the ASVAB under the Marine, scored 95, and as he's a clean-cut, clean-record, good kid, they're hot to get him now.

I support him in anything he does. I confess to a secret love for Marines -- I've adored every single one that's come into my life. But I've watched Marines work out too, and I know how mentally and physically grueling Marine boot camp can be.

Can y'all give me some advice about where I can send him for straight talk from Marines? I have one who's going to talk to him and probably coach him through it (inc. some practice with firearms and helping him get over a fear of heights), but I'd really like to see him getting involved with others who can give him honest (non-recruiter) advice on what he can expect.

Thanks!

Jamie
(Brother -- Army, Afghanistan; Husband -- Navy, submarines; Son -- who knows?)

40 Uncle Joe  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:24:40pm

One of the local free rags has a front page story entitled, "Al Gore in Marin" with this quote on the cover: "Why is it that facts, truth and reason play such a minor role in our democracy?" Can you believe the total lack of self-awareness of this clown?

It is astounding to me that the irony of this statement is lost on:
A - Al Gore
and
B - His brain-dead followers.

[Link: www.pacificsun.com...]

41 stevieray  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:27:59pm

All day I've had a song rattling around my noggin, a song with no personal connection to me; no history, no baggage, no ghosts or skeletons. I was about five when it came out, so I don't remember it new or fresh; it's one of those songs that just always existed. If I let it out here, maybe it'll leave me be. Enjoy.

42 Racer X  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:30:23pm
An internal memo from Home Depot outlines that associates cannot accuse, detain, chase or call the police on any customer for shoplifting. (emphasis added)


Awesome! I need a new BBQ grill!

43 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:32:53pm

St Pancake
Hello teacher! :)
Take Five is a delight, thanks ;)

44 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:35:22pm

Hola, Miguel
Como estas, Miguelito?

45 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:36:28pm

St Pancake
This is no Jazz, but for me it is an excellent work of drums, besides the great guitars ;)

46 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:37:05pm

Bien gracias, St Pancake.
¿Y tú cómo estás?

47 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:39:03pm

Oldie, but goody.

I like some blues too. I acquired that taste while visiting New Orleans, even though that city is better known for its jazz history.

He estado trabajando difícilmente en historia. Soy cansado de este trabajo, pero sigue siendo bueno para mi.

Oy vey!

48 abolitionist  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:40:10pm

And Miles to Go Before I Sleep...

Edwards campaigns with actor Glover
Way to go, Silk Pony! Maybe you can get a bit part in one of Glover's new movies.

Hugo Chavez, Movie Mogul has big hug for Glover

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez (R) and US actor/activist Danny Glover hug each other in Harlem, New York. [picture caption]

49 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:40:20pm

pero intento!

Haha, I still struggle with the fundamentals of spanish.

50 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:42:46pm

How I loathe Chavez and Glover.

Chavez's backers insist that Venezuela is still replete with privately owned media that openly criticize him, and argue that his move against RCTV is justified because the network openly backed a failed 2002 coup against Chavez and his democratically elected government. "I doubt," says the Chavez adviser, "that what RCTV did [in 2002] would be tolerated by any government in any country."


Um... no.

51 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:44:15pm

St Pancake
You do well! :)

Keep on trying. And as a teacher, you're a natural, and you know it lol.

52 victor_yugo  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:44:58pm

#28 St. Pancake:

Roger on the Brubeck.

I got turned on to Take Five during college, when I heard it played on the harp.

I wish I could find the guy's name. He was a genius with those strings. He even played a riff of Classical Gas for me, just to show he could do that, too.

53 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:45:28pm

Vital information you will not see in the quisling *spit* MSM *spit*:

Terrorist Death Watch-Update on Iraq surge.

Example: 625 jihadis sent to the raisins in May.

It should be emphasized that TDW's figures for dead terrs are taken from media reports and Iraqi civil (chiefly hospital and police) records, NOT US military handouts, so moonbats cannot reasonably dismiss them as propaganda. The US military does not keep a running count of enemy dead anyway, though figures are often given for individual actions as a necessary part of the narrative.

54 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:45:40pm

Lol, still even have trouble remembering the difference between que tal, and the regular como esta.

Can I use que tal with you, for example?

55 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:46:45pm

52 victor_yugo

Thanks, and it is nice to have someone say that.
On a harp? Wow!

56 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:47:08pm

St Pancake
THE GALL! Chávez tried EXACTLY THE SAME, but worse, as he had part of the army on his side, as a colonel, and he was in the very brink of toppling down the established government in 1992.
This peace of crap accuses others of doing the same things he's done.
He should take himself off the air, the mother something, to be fair and not a monster of repression.
I'm sure he'd opt for the second option that refuse of the human race.

57 EIDE_Interface  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:48:05pm

Isn't this free-form jazz, pure improvisational? Judge it on its own merits. This aint Diana Krall people!

58 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:48:10pm

St Pancake
Sure! it's informal, like among friends, and we are friends.
Yo también soy maestro, y también soy natural, quiero estar enseñando todo el tiempo jajajaja.

;)

59 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:49:25pm

Miguel
*smile*

60 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:50:35pm

Correction:
Cháveza is not a peace of crap, he's a piece of crap lol

61 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:51:23pm

Wah though, is "jajajaja"?
I am thinking "yes" auf deutsch. Anything else?

62 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:51:58pm

pimf
What

63 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:52:06pm

St Pancake
*Sonrisa mexicana conquistadora*

64 Split Level Head  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:52:19pm

Technically brilliant, but wow is that hard to listen to. Maybe I am showing myself to be a heathen (and I love Jazz), but isn't atonal music an oxymoron?

65 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:52:44pm

mierda para Hugo baby

66 victor_yugo  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:53:50pm

#37 jehu:

Like modern art, senseless gobs of paint on the canvas. Like the artist is too stupid to paint a landscape or human form.

Kind of like Jackson Pollock?

Actually, what you say about the melody, e.g. "where is it?", can also be said about Russian Orthodox liturgical music. Traditionally, the melody is all but absent. Instead, the chord progression defines the music.

67 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:54:07pm

Egads!
Atonal music reminds me of Arnold Schoenberg.

What was that about?

68 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:54:13pm

St Pancake
jajajaja=hahahahaha.
J in Spanish sounds like H in English, with a bit harsher sound.
So we laugh so: jajajaja.

Or jeje if we're shy.

Or jijiji would by shier.

Or jojojo would be Santa.


Jajajajaja.

69 RTLM  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:54:14pm

#39 kywrite

I have one who's going to talk to him and probably coach him through it (inc. some practice with firearms and helping him get over a fear of heights), but I'd really like to see him getting involved with others who can give him honest (non-recruiter) advice on what he can expect.


First of all, God bless your son. You have a good young man there.

The marine you're in touch with now will evaluate him as well and possibly make the determination if the marines is the direction best suited for him.

For what its worth from a former Navy E-4.

70 neocon hippie  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:54:57pm

#57

This is an actual composed piece, a blues in 6/8 actually. The soloists interpret it quite freely but the structure doesn't completely disappear.

71 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:55:01pm

It took me ages to "get" anything about Pollack.

Drunken genius.

72 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:55:46pm

St Pancake
Your gift for Chávez is right on the dot!

73 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:56:11pm

Ah, Miguel
You are correct. I was not thinking of the Spanish "j", darnit.

I see "j", and I think of German.

74 EIDE_Interface  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:56:54pm

This is what Islam would destroy. We are fighting to protect not just pretty melodies people! To the shores of Iraq with the young men of 2007 to storm those beaches and protect FREE JAZZ!

75 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:57:24pm

Lol, Miguel

Spanish has its place on a blog when (in)appropriate language needs some help.

76 Durendal  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:57:48pm

#37 jehu

yup, same mentality behind the John Cages of the world imo. all part of the Marxist dream to destroy beauty :)

77 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 10:59:44pm

FREE JAZZ!

Hey, this sounds like a plan.
Much better than Free Mumia or Free Peltier.

78 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:02:26pm
#66 victor_yugo

Kind of like Jackson Pollock?

/bet you didn't know that Jack Kevorkian is also an acclaimed artist

79 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:03:16pm

"Free Jazz"

Hey, there's lots of free stuff at Home Depot (see #32)

80 zombie  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:03:38pm

Well, I'm watching the Miles Davis Quintet video.

I will try to be tactful. Honest and tactful.

It hardly needs to be said that Miles Davis is virtuoso of the highest order. His musicianship is beyond compare. And the same can be said for other people in the quintet as well, like Herbie Hancock and so forth.

I'm not disputing that point.

But here's why I generally don't voluntarily listen to contemporary jazz (and some other musical genres as well): The mere act of virtuosity is not sufficient to make me want to hear a performance. A technically brilliant musician could play the scales up and down, and can do it perfectly and with feeling -- but would I want to listen to that?

I know that there are people out there who would say "Yes! I would listen to Yo-yo Ma or Miles Daivs play the scales," but for me the answer is no -- or at least, usually no. Because of my personality type, I need an additional element, and what I'm talking about (in most instances) is a melody. A nice melody, a beautiful melody, a memorable melody. And if not a melody, at least some emotionally satisfying chord changes or bass line.

And that's what a lot of contemporary jazz lacks. This track is a good example -- it's "free jazz," without predetermined structure, and without any sort of mutually agreed-upon melody (or at least one that I can discern). Just pure improvisation.

Which is fine, for those that like such things. I'm not putting down unstructured improvisation as a concept, and understand full well that there is an audience for such stuff, who appreciate the skill of the performers above all else.

But me, the kind of person I am, I'd rather listen to a completely incompetent and totally drunk Paul Revere and the Raiders playing "Louie Louie" totally atrociously, because the song has an unforgettable chord progression, an unforgettable rhythmic structure, and was performed with enthusiasm and gusto, regardless of the skill.

Jazz pre-1960s generally was melody-based, and I am happy to listen to that. But it is when the musicians -- no mater how talented -- go off on aimless flights of fancy that my interest wanders. It's not just jazz -- self-indulgent guitar solos by overwrought '70s rock bands are just as uninteresting to me, as is postmodern "experimental" music. And don't even talk to me about the Grateful Dead and other "jam bands." Shudder.

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, or claim that one musical taste is better than another. I'm just saying -- "different strokes for different folks," and I'm one of those folks for whom this type of music just doesn't move me.

There. I've said it. Now you can all throw rotten vegetables at me.

81 victor_yugo  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:03:38pm

#55 St. Pancake:

The performance was one of those "cozy" deals in the student diner. It was his closing number. He told us how he did the transcription, then called his harp instructor from 20 years earlier. She said it couldn't be done... then she heard it.

He didn't say as much, but I think it was one of those moments where the student surpasses the teacher.

I really regret not remembering the guy's name.

82 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:03:52pm

Killian Bundy
Oh. hell's bells!
I wish I had not glanced at his work.

:(

83 zombie  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:04:57pm

Miles Davis is virtuoso = Miles Davis is a virtuoso

PIMF

84 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:07:58pm

Today in History
June 7

1498 Christopher Columbus leaves on his third voyage of exploration
1654 Louis XIV is crowned king of France.
1712 The Pennsylvania Assembly bans the importation of slaves.
1767 Daniel Boone sights present-day Kentucky.
1775 The United Colonies change their name to the United States.
1863 Mexico City is captured by French troops.
1900 The Boxer rebels cut the rail links between Peking and Tientsin in China.
1903 Professor Pierre Curie reveals the discovery of Polonium.
1914 The first vessel passes through the Panama Canal.
1932 Over 7,000 war veterans march on Washington, D.C., demanding their bonus pay for service in World War I.
1942 The Japanese invade Attu and Kiska in the Aleutian Islands.
1968 In Operation Swift Saber, U.S. Marines sweep an area 10 miles northwest of Danang in South Vietnam.
1981 Israeli F-16 fighter-bombers destroy Iraq's only nuclear reactor.


and a Happy B'Day to Paul Gaugin, French post-impressionist painter, who was born on this day in 1848.

85 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:08:56pm

Viva Maximilian!


Will this get a rise out of Miguelito?

86 victor_yugo  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:10:36pm

#71 St. Pancake:

Sorry, but from where I sit, an untrained monkey could do the same thing. In that respect, it's almost Dada.

87 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:12:06pm

Oh, Victor
I do not do Dada, even though I love the name, and the origin of that name.
The Dada artists were a little too radical for my tastes.

88 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:13:11pm

Hey, if you're talking art . . .

/Duchamp's Fountain wins the prize

89 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:14:03pm

St Pancake
I got disconected for a while, sorry.
I was so happy with Firefox, but after I downloaded the latest version my comp has been having trouble.
Oh well, you can't always get what you want. ;)

90 victor_yugo  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:14:23pm

#84 St. Pancake:

1932 Over 7,000 war veterans march on Washington, D.C., demanding their bonus pay for service in World War I.

IIRC, this "Bonus Army" march was the inspiration for the song Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?.

91 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:14:27pm

Hey, Victor
This is one very cool Pollock site.

I love to waste time there.

92 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:15:57pm

Yes, it was Victor
Really awful story. Many future WWII Generals took part in that event also. Of course, that was very difficult for them.

93 neocon hippie  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:16:37pm

#80 Zombie

Jazz has its share of empty virtuosity but I don't think that's the case here. Shorter in particular solos with tremendous lyricism, and there is a quiet and spaciousness in this six minute piece that you won't find in, e.g., a Jimmy Page solo. But yes, one has to have or develop an ear for jazz and other improvised or abstract music; it's not for everybody.

Believe it or not, this piece, a Wayne Shorter composition called Footprints, is a type of 12 bar blues and the soloists stay within that form. They do, compared to something more straight ahead, take more liberties with the chord changes. And actually, the soloists do make reference to the melody in their solos.

94 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:19:04pm

Miguel
Did you see the date in history for La Ciudad de Mexico?

95 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:19:10pm

I don't like Jazz.

Now, stone me!

96 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:20:35pm

I love Miles.

And it's a great way to celebrate finally getting a driver that fixes my wireless. Yesterday it would have played half the song and then lost the connection.

97 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:21:13pm

95 MigueldowninMexico
Haha!
I don't like Menudo!

Sue me!

98 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:21:59pm

St Pancake
Oh! Those damn French!
Now I know why you said ¡Maximiliano! hahaha.

Anyway we had the pleasure of making them bit the dust a couple of times.

Actually, cherie, I like France and the French, quite a bit. So I'm very depressed watching that wonderful country descend into an African pit.

Still, that Sarkozy victory gives me a bit of renewed hope for France.

99 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:22:51pm

Zombie, I grew up with Miles Davis albums, so I think nostalgia makes me want to hear this stuff occasionally.

But he's not someone you can listen to and completely follow and enjoy like Coltrane.

100 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:23:35pm

Miguel
Ever heard of rumors of French treasure hidden away in various places?

101 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:23:45pm

Davis is interesting texture mostly.

102 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:24:39pm

St Pancake
Menudo the Portorrican band or menudo the food?

I don't like either, so it's not me the one suing you lol ;)

103 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:27:16pm

St Pancake
No, I haven't, wow. There's rumors of Aztefc treasures, Spanish treasures, mainly in the sea, and gold treasures hidden from the time of the revolution 1911-1921.

104 neocon hippie  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:27:41pm

This piece is actually pretty mild compared to much of the truly avant-garde and free jazz that was being created at the time. For something really hair-raising, try Ascension, Meditations, or Om by Coltrane

105 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:31:11pm

Supposedly, Maximilian collected some five million dollars in jewelry and gold coins, gold and silver plate and
some bullion before his capture and had loyal aides hide it in 45 flour barrels loaded onto wagons with the
instructions for the drivers to go to San Antonio, Texas and then to Galveston, Texas where the treasure could be
sent to Austria to Carlota. A group referred to as "Maximilianos" left Mexico with Maximilian’s treasure but
were killed by robbers before journey's end, their bodies and wagons burned. The robbers could only carry so
much, so they buried more of the treasure than they took with them, with the hopes of returning later. The group
of robbers were later attacked and murdered by Indians and only one survived that knew the whereabouts of
Maximilian’s treasure, and he later even presented a treasure map of the location before he, too, died. The
(mythical?) treasure is still buried to this day somewhere around Castle Gap, hidden high in the King Mountains
north of El Paso, Texas.


Maximilian’s Millions

106 pat  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:31:19pm

Why do I remember this?
"Free Jazz" Yeah, I remember Sun Rah, so I hardly listen to Jazz any more.

107 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:32:13pm
108 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:32:40pm

Another thing are the other videos that youtube puts along the bottom.

I wonder if they're customized to LGF or to my own cookies...

For instance I'm listening to this video that was next to more appropriate stuff like Ron Paul (arguing that we can solve terrorism by getting rid of the CIA)on Bill Maher (with maher telling him he's nuts), Miles and Coltrane

Do you all get the same links.

109 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:32:58pm

St Pancake
that's why I've never heard about that treasure, as it is not in Mexican soil. ;)

110 zombie  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:33:46pm
#34 Pawn of the Oppressor
I'm one of those people who doesn't get Jazz. It sounds like discord to me, although I can certainly recognize instrumental skill..

#37 jehu
Jazz like this annoys me, I don't care how good everyone says it is, where the hell is the melody?

Dagnabbit, both of you two fine gentleman said the exact same sentiment as me, said it more concisely, and said it earlier!

I bow to your primacy.

111 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:35:00pm

No mas Jazz, but here we have La Paloma.

112 Joshua (not a hamster) Scholar  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:35:58pm

Oh Jesus, Ron Paul is uhm claiming that we wouldn't have had 9/11 if we get rid of the FAA?!

113 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:38:33pm
Ron Paul is uhm claiming that we wouldn't have had 9/11 if we get rid of the FAA?!

What is the logic to that?

probably none coming from Paul

Oy, Miguel
The comments on that Paloma video are interesting.

114 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:39:49pm
ULTRA CONSERVADOR HASTA LA MÉDULA!


Haha!

I believe that means conservative to the bone.

115 Salem  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:40:24pm

I love jazz. I don't know much about it, though. They play a lot on this AM station I listen to. I developed an appreciation for it's discordance from listening to Mr Bungle, Bad Brains and other experimental fusion bands.

116 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:41:06pm

St Pancake
Thanks for the song ;)

117 zombie  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:41:50pm
#41 stevieray

All day I've had a song rattling around my noggin, a song with no personal connection to me; no history, no baggage, no ghosts or skeletons. I was about five when it came out, so I don't remember it new or fresh; it's one of those songs that just always existed. If I let it out here, maybe it'll leave me be. Enjoy.

The video you linked to is The Toys doing "Lover's Concerto," and yes, the reason it seems that "the song has always existed" is that it was written in 1722 by JS Bach; later songwriters in 1965 just stole the famous melody and added lyrics. (The song's original title is "Minuet in G major.")

This is exactly the point I was making earlier about melodies -- a strong melody will stay with you forever. I guarantee not many people right now are walking along humming some "free jazz" improv to themselves.

118 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:41:59pm

St Pancake
Yes, actually to the marrow, médula :)

119 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:42:54pm

St Pancake
It's a commie site. Woeshipers of López Obrador lol ;)

120 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:44:07pm

119 MigueldowninMexico
Yesd, now I know, but I still like the songe.

Remember when I used to get him confused with Obregon?

121 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:46:20pm

St Pancake
I do! Hahahahaha.
He was so famous back then and now...nothing.
He went into oblivion, thanks to all the harm he did to millions and millions of people.

Payback's a playa LOL

122 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:47:32pm

playback's a playa.

Cool. payback is a beach.

123 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:48:29pm

That was on purpose lol ;)

124 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:49:37pm

Yo se.

Soy cansada.

125 wordwarp  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:49:55pm

Great tunes.

If you'd like a little mood lighting to listen to them by, I've located Bush's missing spine, which has been beautifully converted into a reading lamp (or mood lamp, if you use a colored bulb).

This explains so much.

126 Jewels (aka Julian)  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:50:39pm

Menudo,

A Band Which Proves Plastic Boy Band Lameness Stretches it's grip beyond the U.S.

127 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:50:46pm

Casada?
lol ;)

128 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:52:31pm

Lol, Miguel

Haha!

Jewels
That is priceless.

129 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:52:32pm

Jewels
Hahahahahaha.

Now careful there, don't you diss Menudo.
Ricky Martin was there...

(sounds of crowds of girls shouting and fainting...)

130 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:53:53pm

Living La Vida Estúpida.

131 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:53:58pm

Es is ahora para mi cama.


Good night!

132 St. Pancake  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:54:38pm
Living La Vida Estúpida.

Durn you for making me laugh before I go to bed.

133 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:56:13pm

Livin La Vida Yoda

He's into superstition,
He's really not very tall,
He's got a premonition, this kid's gonna kill us all.

He's on the Jedi Council,
Big heads and long necks.
He's got a small lightsaber, and speaks he in ways to vex.

He'll make you lift up big rocks with the power of your brain.
He'll make you face your destiny and you'll never be the same.
And your hand will cause you pain.

Long eared, green and stout,
Livin' la vida Yoda.
He'll train and wear you out,
Livin la vida Yoda.
His cane is a gimer stick, his skin is mountain soda,
He will wear you out,
He's Livin la vida Yoda.
Livin la vida Yoda.

Woke up in Dagobah swamp,
In a funky set of robes.
He trained my mind and he trained my body,
But now I'm off to Lando's globe.

He always talks in riddles and he puzzles at your brain,
And once he's finished training you, you'll never be the same,
And Vader's quite a pain.

Long eared, green and stout,
Livin' la vida Yoda.
He'll train and wear you out,
Livin la vida Yoda.
His cane is a gimer stick, his skin is mountain soda,
He will wear you out,
He's Livin la vida Yoda.
Livin la vida Yoda.

He'll make you lift up big rocks with the power of your brain.
He'll make you face your destiny and you'll never be the same.
And your hand will cause you pain.

Long eared, green and stout,
Livin' la vida Yoda.
He'll train and wear you out,
Livin la vida Yoda.
His cane is a gimer stick, his skin is mountain soda,
He will wear you out,
He's Livin la vida Yoda.
Livin la vida Yoda.

134 victor_yugo  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:56:37pm

#117 zombie:

Apparently, graphoanalysis shows that the melody wasn't written by J. S. Bach.

135 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Jun 6, 2007 11:58:16pm

St Pancake
Good night! Sleep tight :)

136 Black George Bush  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:00:30am

What if the D-Day incasion had occured on June 6th 2007?

How would the have reported it?

137 zombie  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:00:34am
#134 victor_yugo

Yes, I found that info after posting my comment. It may have been written by a family friend, another composer from the era.

Either way, it still dates from 1722 or thereabouts.

138 Salem  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:02:54am

REPORTS: IMMIGRATION BILL ON THE BRINK OF COLLAPSE IN SENATE... DEVELOPING...

139 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:06:31am

I hope they stop opressing us victim Mexicans and give us American citizenship right away!
The whole 125 million of us :)

We are entitled to! 'Cause we say so!

140 Salem  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:08:11am

Oh, and the AP is reporting "Immigration Deal Survives Senate hurdles" but if you actually read the story, they are talking about all of the hurdles except the one that will apparently sink it. Nice reporting, jerks.

141 Salem  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:15:14am

Well, if we build a fence, we'll still have a northern border, which means the terrorists won't be deterred, which is supposed to be the whole point of the border security craze. If we get serious now, we'll still be a long way from taking care of the problem.

I want to see the fence put up, at least. Then I'd like us to help make Mexico a country people don't want to flee, but with the corruption in the government down there (and up here, frankly) it all seems like a pipe-dream. Or, at any rate, a long way off.

142 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:16:47am

Sadly, you're right, Salem.

143 marinegrunt  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:19:52am
39 kywrite

Hey, Marines! I need a little advice.

It will be tough in boot camp, no doubt, if he puts his heart and soul into it he will do just fine, as many before him have done.

His recruiter will clue him in, if you live in a big city they may have a Marine poolees program in the area.
Here's a couple of links for him to eyeball.

Recruit Training click on calendar right side.

Marine Poolee message board.

144 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:46:48am
145 Salem  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:48:28am

Immigration bill in doubt after vote

WASHINGTON - A fragile compromise that would legalize millions of unlawful immigrants risks coming unraveled after the Senate voted early Thursday to place a five-year limit on a program meant to provide U.S. employers with 200,000 temporary foreign workers annually.


The 49-48 vote came two weeks after the Senate, also by a one-vote margin, rejected the same amendment by Sen. Byron Dorgan. The North Dakota Democrat says immigrants take many jobs Americans could fill.

The reversal dismayed backers of the immigration bill, which is supported by
President Bush but loathed by many conservatives. Business interests and their congressional allies were already angry that the temporary worker program had been cut in half from its original 400,000-person-a-year target.

146 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:57:03am

Salem
It was a mistake to reduce the number of temporary workers. These are people who enter and work legally in the USA. Then, they go back home.
If you want to fight illegals (illegality, let's say), the worst way of doing it is by shrinking the number of possible legal entrances.

147 SummerSong  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:00:09am

#41 stevieray -

"All day I've had a song rattling around my noggin"..

I call that a "Stong". A sticky, stalking, stuck, tune that relentlessly hounds you throughout the day.


"If I let it out here, maybe it'll leave me be"

It's worth a try. What works best for me, is to finally just sing the whole damn thing out loud and hope that it takes wing and finds someone new to taunt!

148 RTLM  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:01:50am

AZTLAAAN!

149 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:03:24am

Aztland?

150 Salem  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:05:26am

Well, I think the idea of that was just to get the bill killed altogether. McCain was against even deporting alien felons. I hope this puts him on the fast-track to retirement.

And the temporary worker program would have been horribly abused under this bill, anyway.

Basically, these guys need to clean out their ears. If less than a quarter of Americans want it, then that should have put the brakes on it right there.

151 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:05:48am

Ass-Tlan?

152 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:07:27am

Hahahahaha Jewels hahahahaha.

153 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:07:57am

Night Jewels.

154 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:09:06am

"Tlan" means "Place" or "Place of" in Náhuatl (so called Aztec).

Ass Tlan? Ahem.

155 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:09:45am

Is the DNC an Ass Tlan?

156 RTLM  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:12:36am

New ways to make clean water - for everyone.

What I call biofuel...

Basically just good camping skills.

157 RTLM  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:13:34am

No Miguel - the is ass FLOSS

158 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:15:07am

The DNC?

159 RTLM  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:17:24am

Miguel,
It depends on what you think the word, "IS"... is.

(pimf! DNC)

160 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:23:31am

I's gonna meditate that ;)

161 Salem  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:29:10am

Suspect arrested in Kan. teen's death

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. - Police arrested a man in the abduction and death of a teenager whose body was found Wednesday in a Missouri park four days after she disappeared from a Kansas store's parking lot.

Authorities said 18-year-old Kelsey Smith's body was found at a lake in Grandview, Mo., about 20 miles east of where she had disappeared Saturday. They did not say how Smith died.

Overland Park Police Chief John Douglass identified the suspect as Edwin R. Hall, 26, of Olathe. Hall was expected to be charged Thursday with premeditated first-degree murder and aggravated kidnapping.

Douglass said Hall was interviewed Wednesday after police acted on a tip that matched him to a vehicle seen in surveillance video pulling into the Target parking lot about a minute after Smith parked there.

He declined to comment on the circumstances of Hall's questioning or evidence in the case.

Douglass said Hall appeared to be the same person shown in the video walking into the Target soon after Smith entered the store.

162 Thanos  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:37:15am

Perhaps now I can get some sleep:

Kelsey Smith Murder suspect arrested

163 kywrite  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:38:38am

#143 Marinegrunt:

That was EXACTLY what I was looking for, thanks! I think if he survives telling his grandmother, he'll probably survive boot, now that I think about it. It was just a bit of a shock.

And if he makes it through, he'll be a heck of a Marine. He's a really good kid.

164 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:40:53am
165 Thanos  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:45:44am

hrmm a bit ago there was a story on the wire about more hamas-fatah fighting, it's floated off now, can't find it. g'nite all

166 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:51:24am

Bye Thanos.

167 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:57:05am

A little comic relief

Janeane Garofalo used to torture Iraqis

Janeane Garofalo's voice was used to torture Iraqis, and they "hated" it.

Tony Lagouranis is a former military interrogator, who's now telling his story. And, believe it or not, the formerly cute comedienne and former Air America hostess played a role:

Not long ago in Iraq, [Lagouranis] felt "absolute power," he said, over men kept in cages. Lagouranis had forced a grandfather to kneel all night in the cold and bombarded others in metal shipping containers with the tape of the self-help parody "Feel This Book: An Essential Guide to Self-Empowerment, Spiritual Supremacy, and Sexual Satisfaction," by comedians Ben Stiller and Janeane Garofalo. ("They hated it," Lagouranis recalled. "Like, 'Please! Just stop that voice!' ")

In lighter news, Garoffalo appears with Payton Oswald at the Somerville Theatre on June 23. Tickets are $35.

168 MigueldowninMexico  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:59:48am

Would lizards like to see The Surge in graphics? Mighty encouraging.
[Link: northshorejournal.org...]

169 Mike C.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:00:22am

Good morning, dead thread.

170 RTLM  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:00:48am

Carl in Jerusalem
Howdy Carl -

6 Day War Synopsis

[]By the morning of the 5th, the Israeli deception hook was set. Hod took an enormous gamble, sending all but 12 of his fighter aircraft on first wave attacks against Egypt. The attackers followed the same profile used on previous, IAF training flights over the Mediterranean. While some of the Israeli fighters appeared on Egyptian radar screens, the controllers were unconcerned. They had watched large formations approach in the past; in a few minutes the IAF pilots would turn around and head home, just as they always did.

Meanwhile, that IAF transport was circling over Israel, broadcasting radio traffic from a "routine" training day that was monitored by Arab SIGINT sites. They automatically assumed that the radio calls were coming from the Israeli jets in the air that morning; in reality, the IAF strike packages were maintaining strict radio silence.

Oblivious to impending Israeli onslaught, the Egyptian Air Force followed its normal morning routine. The MiGs landed; AAA sites, radar posts and SAM batteries went to minimal manning, as most personnel headed off for breakfast. At 0645, almost 200 Israeli jet fighters streaked across the Nile Valley, almost completely unopposed. Over the next three hours, they annihilated Egypt's air force and air defenses, destroying nearly 500 aircraft, many of them on the ground. With the Egyptian threat neutralized, the IAF then set its sights on Jordan and Syria, with equally devastating results.

It was a stunning victory, virtually unparalleled in the history of air warfare. But it was also a triumph that was firmly rooted in deception, following a practice that the Israelis have used time and time again. Fourteen years after Operation Focus, the IAF mounted its famous airstrike on Saddam's nuclear reactor near Baghdad, an attack that coincided with dinner time for the Iraqi Air Force and air defense crews.

171 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:02:23am

Whooops!

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup and all that jazz --->

/I'm on topic!

172 RTLM  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:06:52am

Hi littleoldlady!

173 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:08:52am

RTLM! :-)

Have some fruitcup.

174 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:22:35am

...and coffee.

175 RTLM  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:27:48am

... gotta cinnamon roll?

176 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:30:34am
:::rummaging around:::

Nope. No cinnamon roll. A couple of tea biscuits and a jelly donut. Oh! I do have a babka with cinnamon in it.

Here.

177 RTLM  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:31:04am

Mike C.

Ever seen these?

178 Mike C.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:45:01am

# 177 RTLM

The small ones pictured at the bottom look to be some sort of concretion. The large ones at the top most likely formed as pockets of clastic material (clay, sand) deposited in plant material. When lithified, the clastic stuff formed these odd looking lumps in the middle of a coal seam.

I've seen concretions of various types, and I've seen intra-coal clastic deposits, but none quite like these.

179 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:53:05am

Hello everyone!

#168 MigueldowninMexico

That is a very good link. Thanks.

littleoldlady

Good jazzy fruitcup. Yum.

180 RTLM  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:54:35am

Its interesting - they look almost chiseled. I guess heat and pressure take their toll.

Maybe a good place to look for diamonds?

181 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:54:36am

gettinby! :-)

/I suddenly have an overwhelming urge to do laundry...

182 Boogberg  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:55:48am

Not that it matters concerning the quality of Miles Davis' music, but the guy was a racist asshole. That's the impression I got from reading his autobiography (which I recommend, BTW). He HATED white people.

I also heard that he once played an entire concert with his back turned to the audience out of sheer contempt.

As a musician, Miles was great. But as a person, he sucked.

184 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:04:26am

littleoldlady

What an effect I have on you; and for that, I'm terribly sorry!

LOL

/do you ever find those lost socks? :)

185 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:07:46am
/do you ever find those lost socks?

No. Was I supposed to?

/dryer-consumed socks = one of the many pississitudes of life

186 windybon  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:08:37am

littleoldlady -

Did you ever try out your tater mitts? If you did, how did they work?

187 Mike C.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:12:05am

# 180 RTLM

No - way wrong type of rock.

188 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:13:42am

Sent them back, windybon. If I have to boil the potatoes first, they're worthless. (Kugels and latkes are made from raw potatoes.)

Besides, they're like, HUGE! Fall right off my hands. I have no idea who they think will be using these things.

189 Mike C.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:15:54am

# 180 RTLM Addendum

Here's what you look for if diamonds are the objective.

190 RTLM  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:18:17am

#187 Mike C.
So no diamonds -
Well then then the hell with the damn rocks !

nite all

191 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:22:38am

Acres of Diamonds.

Funny how some stuff sticks in your head...

192 windybon  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:23:33am

188 littleoldlady -

Well, damn! You mean they were not advertised honestly? LOL! What is this world coming to? :)

193 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:29:18am

windybon,

You mean they were not advertised honestly?

Let's just say they left out an important detail or two...

/:-(

194 nonic  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:39:53am

Free at WSJ Opinion Journal today...

Register's Last Hurrah?
Our taxpayer-financed Arabic network was set up to counter Al-Jazeera, not echo it.
By Joel Mowbray

To understand the challenge faced by Al-Hurra, the U.S. taxpayer-financed Arabic TV network, consider the case of Yasser Thabet. For years, Mr. Thabet has been a leading figure in shaping news coverage in the region. Whereas fawning over terrorists would be career suicide in the United States, Mr. Thabet, formerly a broadcast editor at Al-Jazeera, did just that--and promptly landed a top position at a major Arab media outlet.

Last summer, Mr. Thabet wrote a loving tribute on his personal Web site to Soha Bechara, a woman who attempted to assassinate a general of the main anti-Hezbollah forces, the South Lebanese Army. Calling her "a living symbol of Lebanese resistance," he encouraged "those who are unfairly and unjustly detained in our Arab World" to take solace from her example, including Tayssir Allouni, the former Al-Jazeera reporter who was convicted by a Spanish court in 2005 of passing money between al Qaeda and an affiliated cell in Spain.

After the execution of Saddam Hussein, Mr. Thabet unleashed a vitriolic attack on Iraqi Shiites, whom he called "a group of murderers." Lamenting that "the execution of Saddam was a political and historical mistake," Mr. Thabet wrote fondly about how the "corpse" of Saddam had managed "to incite its people to retaliate and resist."

A few months later, in March of this year, Mr. Thabet was hired as chief editor of news by Al-Hurra. His employment is just one of a number of recent controversies surrounding the network since the appointment of longtime CNN producer Larry Register as its news director last November.

There's more.

195 Pass The Moonbaticide  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:43:41am

As this is a Jazz thread ...
Is there any Lizard out there who can give me links to the career and works of Frank DaSilva? Wiki has nothing and even Google seems clueless. Have I spelt his name right? I was particularly interested in his works covered by Judy Boucher but again Wiki and Google are no help.
I know the pool of Lizard knowledge is at my disposal...

196 nonic  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:45:39am

#188 littleoldlady

have to boil the potatoes firs

t

See? You people don't listen to me.

That's what I said the first time we were talking about these things.

And what's the deal about cleaning them? Which my point is, it would be difficult to do. Did the instructions say anything about that?

197 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:48:08am

nonic,

Yeah. "Rinse and hang to dry." As if that would clean them sufficiently.

Okay, Mom. Next time I'll listen to you!

/I know, I say that all the time, don't I?

;-)

198 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:50:07am

Good morning, Lizards! Today's my last day of the 2006-2007 school year.

What I learned:


1. Just because I believe in honor and honesty doesn't mean other adults do.
2. Even though as a teacher I'm supposed to be a paragon of organization, fairness, and justice, noticing and praising excellence in my students, it doesn't mean that my superiors will extend the same to me.
3. The kids make everything worth it (most important).

200 nonic  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:53:50am

#197 littleoldlady

LOL :-)

Great weather we've been having lately!

Who do I thank for that?

201 whiterasta  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:54:19am

There was a joke on here yesterday about a Liberal in a hot air balloon and a conservative in a fishing boat.

I can't find it, it's lost among the threads.

Can someone please give me a link or tell it again?

Thanks.

202 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:55:35am

#185 littleoldlady

Since my children were BORN I've tried to get everyone to put his dirty socks in lingerie bag so all I had to do wass toss the bag in the wash, take the socks out to dry, and then pair them up.

It's never workes, and we have a MOUNTAIN of single socks. It drive me crazy.

203 nonic  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:56:52am

#198 Goddess

Just because I believe in honor and honesty doesn't mean other adults do.

There's worse news.

Your believing in honor and honesty facilitates the people who don't gettin' away with sh*t.

(And you know what I mean.)

204 nonic  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:58:56am

#202 Goddess

The answer to that is let them go barefoot. They'll learn.

This public service message brought to you from a woman who raised 5 sons and had the laziest husband in the world.

205 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 3:58:59am

#203 nonic

You're SO right.

206 nonic  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:02:17am

I gotta tell ya, I get the biggest kick in the world hearing my sons (4 still live with me) complain the day before the cleaning women come.

I started a cleaning service just a few months ago for the first time in my life -- and I LOVE it.

Anyway. The sons crab that they hate the cleaning women coming because they have to straighten up their rooms. If they don't, the cleaning women will, and then they can't find anything.

These are MEN we're talking about.

The oldest, 29, an attorney, was pissed that the cleaning women had the audacity to pile his dirty laundry, which had been in a pile on the floor, on top of his clean laundry, which had been in a basket on the floor.

(What was she supposed to do? Sniff?)

207 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:03:13am

Goddess and nonic

My question on single socks...

Why do we keep them?

I'm off - have a great day everyone!

208 jim in virginia  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:03:28am

Morning all/
A day late ..
crisis on Omaha
Doom! Doom I say!

209 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:05:26am

#207 gettinby

We live in hope! We're Lizrds, after all!

210 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:07:21am

Speaking of which...

Where is Mike C's sock puppet these days?

211 nonic  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:08:05am

That’s what life has become for me. My two thrills are twice a month when the cleaning women come, and twice a month when my alimony comes.

(No “come” jokes, please.)

Last Valentine’s Day, I was feeling all mopey and sorry for myself, thinking about how nobody sends me a Valentine, blah, blah, blah and blubber. And then I realized, hell, that’s not true. I get a Valentine EVERY month. In fact, twice every month. And I just KNOW how much it means to him to send it! LOL

(Kathy Bates in Delores Clairborne: “Sometimes being a bitch is all a woman has left.”)

212 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:10:09am

# Paris got a new cell mate today: Scooter Libby.
# Prison is not the place to be when your nickname is Scooter.
# Scooter Libby has been sentenced to 30 months in jail. He should get along with the other prisoners, because you know what they say about scooters: They’re fun to ride until your friends see you. ...
Roll over Scooter..

# Top Ten Excuses Of The Tuberculosis Traveler
10. "Calm down — most of the people I coughed on were foreigners"
9. "How was I supposed to know drug-resistant bacteria was a bad thing — who am I, Dr. House?"
8. "When the doctor told me I had 'TB,' I assumed he meant 'Terrific Breath'"
7. "Of course my judgment was impaired! I had tuberculosis you moron!"
6. "If people with a dangerous communicable disease are not allowed to travel among innocent civilians, then the terrorists have won"
5. No number 5 — writer infected by tuberculosis traveler
4. "Ha! You've been tuberculosis'd"
3. "It's just drug-resistant tuberculosis. What harm can it do?"
2. "Surgical mask made me feel like Spider-Man"
1. "Hey it's still better than flying JetBlue. Am I right, people?"

213 Mike C.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:13:22am

# 191 littleoldlady

Don't DO that ! I had to read the whole damned thing.

214 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:21:02am

Mikey,

Well I didn't. Was it worth it? ;-)

That's the guy who founded Temple U. (a/k/a "Harvard on the Delaware") The whole idea was why leave town to go to school when there's this "gem" right in your backyard.

/"I could have gone anywhere, but I went to Temple." (TWICE!) © Bill Cosby

215 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:28:30am

Morning folks,

Lynne Cheney is being floated as possible replacement for the late Wyoming Senator Craig Thomas.

A great idea, if only to see heads explode on the left.

216 Mike C.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:29:00am

# 214 littleoldlady

Held my interest long enough to make it all the way through. In certain respects, he sounds a little like Twain, which I suppose is not surprising, since they were near-contemporaries. The really astounding thing is that people used to stand up and give orations like these. Not that length was always an advantage, mind you. The primary speaker at Gettysburg went on and on at great length, while Lincoln dissapointed the crowd by saying very few words indeed. Oops.

217 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:30:06am
Andrew Keen, a 47-year-old Briton who founded dot-com era music startup Audiocafe, argues that basic notions of expertise are under assault amid a cultural shift in favor of the amateurism of blogs, MySpace and other popularity-driven sites. "Millions and millions of exuberant monkeys ... are creating an endless digital forest of mediocrity," Keen writes in a book published Tuesday.
The villains in Keen's narrative are a "pajama army" of mostly anonymous writers who spread gossip and scandal, "intellectual kleptomaniacs," who search Google to copy others' work and the "digital thieves" of media content in the post-Napster era.


Charles,
I can write a book about Lizards and make millions!

218 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:31:20am

And I would never plagiarized someone else's jokes..

219 Widow'smight  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:35:17am

LittleoldLoverly,

And Temple is in such a nice Neighborhood.

How ya doing sunshine. Butt heads with the Nasty one lately?

220 Ayatollah ghilmeini  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:35:55am

Iran protests Spain's finding Ahamadinejad's genocide remarks offensive.

Iran has summoned Spain's ambassador to express its protest over Madrid's reaction to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's recent remarks against Israel, semiofficial Iranian news agencies reported Thursday.

221 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:38:36am

Just another inconvenient truth

They're piling up.

222 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:43:41am

Widow'smight,

Actually, I think it's a lot safer there now compared to when I went (back in the Dark Ages). The University owns a lot more North Philadelphia property.

Everyday is an adventure with meannastyteenager.

Tuesday she presented her Senior Project so it looks as though she'll graduate. ;-) Tomorrow is prom but I told her she can't go until she finishes her thank you notes for all the gifts she got.

Yeah, this is no doubt a head-butting day.

223 godfrey  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:46:32am

My favorite Miles quote: "Bad time is like death."

"Footprints" has a clear melody, which they play together at the beginning and at the end.

These guys were modernists. They weren't playing to indulge your taste for romantic melody and provide background music for your dinner. They were pushing the envelope, making a new kind of music.

Because they could. Because they were bored with doing the same thing.

Because they wanted to be free.

225 yochanan  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:48:16am

O.T.

Three guys get sent to Hell a American, a Israeli and a pali and the Satan says they get to make one phone call and are told the pay phone is down the hall. They all make there calls and are told the charges the American and Israeli calls cost $20 but the pali call costs him 25 cents. the two guys say whats up how come the arab gets a cheaper call and the satan says 'your calls are long distance but the call to gaza is a local call"

226 BabbaZee  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:52:31am

North Korea test-fires missiles


Hail Lizardia

Cable went down all day yesterday
I lost 3 big posts for my blog that I had spent a lot of hours on

call me a wahhhmbulance!


meantime

are the Turks in Kurdistan or not?
Depends who you read.

But now the Norks obviously perceive a good opportunity to stick it up our asses yet again


GEE
I wonder why the world perceives American weakness at the moment.

227 yochanan  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:55:40am

ladies it is June in Chicago I DON'T NEED NO F*** SOCKS.

only dorks were socks with sandals.

228 rin  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 4:58:54am

Sorry for this need to rant:

What is it about this "liberal" (or rather utterly selfish) society. I'm sitting in a crowded train car (most of the people sitting are men) and a very pregnant woman gets on. Not one of the men sitting so much as shifted. Now, I'm sorry, but my mother taught me manners. I gave her my seat.

Where are the real men in this society?

229 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:03:43am
230 ROPMA  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:05:37am

I just saw this. I can't believe there are such idiots around. These people can vote.

231 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:06:16am
#226 BabbaZee 6/07/2007 4:52:31 am PDT

Condi rice will call for more talks.

232 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:08:35am
ITALY: ALLEGED AL-QAEDA-LINKED MILITANTS ARRESTED IN MILAN


[Link: www.adnki.com...]

233 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:09:18am

I got an email notification during the night that resistancemedia1 (down one thread) just posted 20 new videos. It looks like he's putting them back up as quickly as YouTube yanks them. I guess they've totally automated the process so that no human has to sit there and think, "Hmm, maybe I should terminate this account after 30 some removals?"

234 Mike C.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:14:07am

# 228 rin

The phrase "common courtesy" is a non sequiter.

235 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:16:01am
236 Rin  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:17:34am

#234 Mike C.

If this is the "global village" I think I'd rather be lost in the wilderness.

237 Widow'smight  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:18:49am

LittleoldLoverly,

Tuesday she presented her Senior Project so it looks as though she'll graduate. ;-) Tomorrow is prom but I told her she can't go until she finishes her thank you notes for all the gifts she got.

Yeah, this is no doubt a head-butting day.

My daughter's Macadamia is not a sore subject, but her prom date was a dolt. Fortunately for him, he didn't do anything stupid. She graduates tomorrow night, I'm beginning to realize she's not going to be around much after Mid August. She will be dearly missed. How about something to brighten your day?

[Link: farm2.static.flickr.com...]

238 Mike C.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:20:00am

# 236 Rin

You are. That's the sad part.

239 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:21:26am
From a 1967 concert in Sweden, arguably the greatest jazz quintet ever—Miles Davis, Tony Williams, Wayne Shorter, Ron Carter and Herbie Hancock—performing Footprints.

What about Ron Paul?!?

If Ron Paul wasn't there, then it wasn't the greatest jazz quintet ever.

I'm sure that it was good but, without Paul, not the greatest...

~ENT

240 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:21:41am
#228 rin 6/07/2007 4:58:54 am PDT

Sorry for this need to rant:

What is it about this "liberal" (or rather utterly selfish) society. I'm sitting in a crowded train car (most of the people sitting are men) and a very pregnant woman gets on. Not one of the men sitting so much as shifted. Now, I'm sorry, but my mother taught me manners. I gave her my seat.

Where are the real men in this society?

1. Iraq
2. Afghanistan
3. Florida (all elderly)
4. Dead

241 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:22:49am

Babba Zee,

Cable went down all day yesterday
I lost 3 big posts for my blog that I had spent a lot of hours on

call me a wahhhmbulance!

That sucks. Don't you have some kind of autosave feature?

I've lost a couple of drafts, but now it saves automatically every couple of minutes.

Go wireless as a backup, or be at the mercy of the cable company.

242 BabbaZee  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:24:22am

#231 storagemanager
ya, more
Diplobabbling Whoredoms of DOOM
that's the ticket!


BBL

243 lucius septimius  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:25:01am

Immigration Bill Unraveling.

The Senate voted early Thursday to place a five-year limit on a program meant to provide U.S. employers with 200,000 temporary foreign workers annually.

The 49-48 vote came two weeks after the Senate, also by a one-vote margin, rejected the same amendment by Sen. Byron Dorgan. The North Dakota Democrat says immigrants take many jobs Americans could fill.

Lots more -- mostly collapses of various compromises.

/warning -- reading the story gives far too clear an indication of how sausage is made.

244 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:26:25am

The Day We Took the Temple Back

40 years ago today, a miracle of gigantic proportions took place. 1900 years after being forced from Judaism's holiest city, the Jewish people were fully restored to our anicent capital.

What were the odds on such a thing? Most people can recover from an upset loss by their favorite team after a couple of days, except Red Sox fans over the Buckner botch, but Islamic world has still not recovered from this blow.

The Koran tells Muslims that all the world will fall to them and once a place becomes Muslim, it should stay that way forever. The collective heads of the Islamic world are still spinning from the insult and shame of being defeated by the scraggly remnant of the Jews, the people Islam thought they had defeated forever 1300 years previously.

The problem is the Jewish people didn't get the memo. Throughout the years of exile, we would finish our Seders and look to Jerusalem with hope.

On June 7th, 1967, General Motta Gur gave the order and the Israeli Army stormed into the city. This was second time the city had been taken from the East, the first time was by King David, every other time, Jerusalem was taken from the north.

The ancient ram's horn sounded in the city and the Jewish people awoke from two millenia of inferiority to utter joy: we stood once again in Jerusalem, as a free Jewish people, with our faith intact and our hearts restored. The nightmare was over.

Hebrew was once again spoken in prayer without fear of anything other than G-d not hearing the it.

1967 was a sea change of monumental proportions to the Jewish people and the world in which we live. The population of Israel has more than tripled since. Jerusalem's pull is too strong.

Even though the Arabists in the State Department refuse to ever admit Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, eventually, their knees too will bend as reality is a water that erodes all stone.

I know that when the Jews Jerusalem were restore to Jerusalem our enemies brians imploded from the shock and have never recovered.

But I also know that without Jerusalem the Jewsih people were not fully alive.

I could regale you with the story of the heorism it took to make this miracle but rather, I think it best to just be thankful for it.

The day calls. The mundane world is still there and there is work to do. But to the East is Jerusalem, a city, an idea, an ideal, holy and I sleep knowing there is a place there for all mankind, even me.

245 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:27:32am

# 240 galloping granny

I respect the sentiment, but I disagree on the geographical limits. There are still gentlemen around, and be sure I'm raising my boys to be "real men." After all, their momma is a disciple of Harvey Mansfield. She uses The Prince as a parenting manual.

246 BabbaZee  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:28:43am

#241 JammieWearingFool

Hi Jams

Ya Blogger does the auto save now but BLOGGER also keeps messing up and reformatting my the posts so I dont work IN Blogger anymore, I work in my e-mail and then send the email to myself

Now I realize this is stupid, because I lost all 3 "create Mails" when the cable went out

One I had half saved to a DOC
Now I will do it all in DOCs first.

BTW I can never access the "add a page element" in the sidebars for Blogger but MAYBE once a week for a few minutes, this is also a PIA.

I really wish I were a computer geek, it would make this alot easier!

BBL

247 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:29:12am
#215 JammieWearingFool 6/07/2007 4:28:30 am PDT

Morning folks,

Lynne Cheney is being floated as possible replacement for the late Wyoming Senator Craig Thomas.

A great idea, if only to see heads explode on the left.

I wish someone was floating Lynne Cheney for POTUS. The lady rocks in a very big way. Definitely outclasses and outthinks Mrs. Clinton!

248 littleoldlady  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:29:23am

#273 Widow'smight,

Hey! I have one of those, too. Mine is done blooming. So are the peonies. Now I have honeysuckle perfuming the yard.

Time to make the donuts...sigh.

Good day, ALL!™

249 Widow'smight  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:29:59am

Galloping Granny,

Where are the real men in this society?

We're here, it's required of us by our Wives and Moms! Liberalism takes away Manliness by making us think women aren't a special gift.

250 BabbaZee  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:31:01am

#244 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

If you have not ever heard this recording, listen to the Wall being taken 6/7/67 on the Tovia Singer radio show, I had posted it here

Amazing Recording...

NOW...
BBL

251 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:31:48am
#245 Lucius Septimius 6/07/2007 5:27:32 am PDT

# 240 galloping granny

I respect the sentiment, but I disagree on the geographical limits. There are still gentlemen around, and be sure I'm raising my boys to be "real men." After all, their momma is a disciple of Harvey Mansfield. She uses The Prince as a parenting manual.

I was being just a little bit sarcastic. And I do agree that there are real gentlemen around here and there. Harder & harder to find though, at least in any great numbers.

252 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:34:41am
244 Ayatollah Ghilmeini 6/07/2007 5:26:25 am PDT ...The day calls. The mundane world is still there and there is work to do. But to the East is Jerusalem, a city, an idea, an ideal, holy and I sleep knowing there is a place there for all mankind, even me.

Thank you...that post made my day.

253 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:35:14am

Did Mr. Mike C post this awesome picture of flooding and a submerged McDonalds from Oman here yet?

254 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:36:09am
# 240 galloping granny

I open doors and give up seats...I even say please and thank you.

255 Lucius Septimius  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:37:06am

# 253 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

What I want to see are the pictures of Rove and Cheney blowing up the levees in Oman.

256 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:37:33am

39 Mutants "Disappear"

The usual suspects are whining.

257 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:37:58am

Morning all!

258 Mike C.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:38:46am

# 251 g g

Those of us that were raised to behave like that are just getting old and dying off.

# 253 Ed

No. I don't have any way to post a picture here.

259 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:42:56am

Good Morning Y'all from a hot (69 degrees, going up to 94 degrees) but sunny Charlotte!
I hope everyone is doing well this morning!
And, since I have to go get brekkie and have to BBIAM, here's something "special" for Y'll:

Just add water - students invent alcohol powder

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch students have developed powdered alcohol which they say can be sold legally to minors.

The latest innovation in inebriation, called Booz2Go, is available in 20-gramme packets that cost 1-1.5 euros ($1.35-$2).

Top it up with water and you have a bubbly, lime-colored and -flavored drink with just 3 percent alcohol content.

"We are aiming for the youth market. They are really more into it because you can compare it with Bacardi-mixed drinks," 20-year-old Harm van Elderen told Reuters.

Van Elderen and four classmates at Helicon Vocational Institute, about an hour's drive from Amsterdam, came up with the idea as part of their final-year project.

"Because the alcohol is not in liquid form, we can sell it to people below 16," said project member Martyn van Nierop.

The legal age for drinking alcohol and smoking is 16 in the Netherlands.

In Germany, alcopops -- sweet drinks containing alcohol and in powder form -- caused quite a stir when launched on to the market. Alcohol powder, classified as a flavoring, was sold in the United States three years ago.

The students said companies interested in making the product commercially could avoid taxes because the alcohol was in powder form. A number of companies are interested, they said.

[Link: today.reuters.com...]
Isn't it nice to see students not wasting their "higher" education? LOL!
BBIAM

260 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:43:29am
World
U.S. intelligence chief says Russian spies at "Cold War levels


[Link: en.rian.ru...]

261 Mike C.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:43:48am

# 255 L S

Levees ? Hell, they don't even have storm drains !

262 nonic  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:44:16am

#228 rin
#240 gallop

Where are the real men in this society?

Looking for their own socks.

263 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:45:15am

259 realwest

"Because the alcohol is not in liquid form, we can sell it to people below 16," said project member Martyn van Nierop.

Gaaah! One more thing for those of us who are parents to worry about.

264 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:45:55am

Good morning Lizards!

Thursday, finally... Almost to the weekend... Nice, cool morning here in the Big Apple...

I'm reading these stories about the 'immigration bill unraveling' and just can't follow all of it... The only thing I care about is whether this bill dies in the vote or not... It's Amnesty, it blows, end of story...

265 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:47:40am

Boker tov, Lizardim.

The highlight of this clip for me is what the rhythm section is doing behind Wayne's solo. This was an awesome group.

266 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:50:35am

I feel stupid, but can someone tell me what Boker tov means?

267 Thanos  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:52:01am

Good morn all off to work in a bit, just stopping in to say hello

268 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:55:41am

thanos,

Very sad news from out your way. Broke my heart seeing the father speak last night.

269 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:57:53am

#267 Thanos and
#268 JammieWearingFool Good Morning to Y'all!
Um, what happened out Thanos' way?

270 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:58:16am

Well, I've got a 9:00 meeting.

Later Lizards!

271 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:59:37am

I also like the 1969 Berlin clip of Miles with Chick Corea, Dave Holland & Don Moye.

272 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 5:59:38am

YO BABBA! How are you this morning?

273 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:01:02am
The Senate voted 51-46 to reject a proposal by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, to bar criminals - including those ordered by judges to be deported - from gaining legal status.


[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
/Not ordering anyone to do anything, but read that nice and slowly and let it sink in for a second. Nice, huh?

274 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:02:41am
#269 realwest 6/07/2007 5:57:53 am PDT

#267 Thanos and
#268 JammieWearingFool Good Morning to Y'all!
Um, what happened out Thanos' way?

Real

Suspect Arrested in Kidnap, Murder of Kansas Teen Kelsey Smith

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

275 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:04:16am

Greets and saluts from the gloriously sunny NYC metro area.

Drudge is reporting (no link yet) that the immigration bill is toast. As they say, Developing...

276 BabbaZee  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:06:08am

#266 Aladin Sane
It means Good Morning


YO {REAL}

I was offline all day yesterday cable/modem BS

BBL

277 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:07:16am

#274 storagemanager - Hey there! Good morning to y'all! Thanks for that link, I really appreciate it!

278 maddogg  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:07:24am

For those who are actually interested in the science of climate change, rather than some idiotic socialist political agenda, here is a website for an organization of scientists interested in actual science, and Algore ain't their Goricle.

[Link: icecap.us...]

279 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:08:06am

Its no longer an amnesty bill.

It's a national suicide pact made by a few dozen people which will drastically alter the American lifestyle.

Criminal Deportees on Path to Citizenship

280 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:08:34am

#276 BabbaZee - So that means if I said Boker Tov Y'all I'd be right, right?!

281 Buck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:08:47am

#266 Aladin Sane


Boker tov = Good morning in hebrew

282 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:08:58am

#266 Aladin Sane

I feel stupid, but can someone tell me what Boker tov means?

It means good morning, and -im is a Hebrew plural suffix.

283 400lb Gorilla  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:09:03am

When I was in high school the standard joke was.

There is a new Miles Davis doll. You turn it on and it turns its back on the audience.

Every show I saw was spot on

284 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:09:44am

lawhawk,

I saw that and am praying it's true.

Malkin has a bonanza roundup of events.

285 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:11:31am

Here's the amendment that may have struck the fatal blow.

286 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:11:32am

#273 EC Marm - According to my Al-Reuters news ticker, the immigration bill is gonna "squeak" by in the Senate and Bush will immediately sign it into law.
SHIT!

287 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:12:06am

Biggest June Severe Weather Outbreak in 54 years to target Mid-Section of US from Western Lakes to Oklahoma, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin hardest hit!


Storm Prediction Center has issued a rare HIGH RISK for severe storms for Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Water vapor imagery shows a freakishly powerful upper low moving through the Rockies, with the cold air aloft and jet dynamics of a March storm, but with June heat and humidity to work with!

Surface pressures alreay falling below 29.00" Hg, or 982 millibars in South Dakota.


Even away from thunderstorms, winds will blow a sustained 10 to 15 m/s (30 mph or higher) acorss the Plains, bringing in warm and humid June air from the Gulf to meet the polar monster.

Check out the Madison, WI (chosen because it is a college town full of loonies) WRF forecast sounding for late afternoon! 2300 Joules/Kg of potential energy for a parcel lifted from the surface to the EL, where the warming of the tropopause says it can go no higher. But that is almost 14 km up! Loads of wind energy, an EHI over 5. Tornado city! And skies are clearing, allowing for maximum early June insolation!

Activity probably starts afte rlunch, with discrete tornadic supercells becoming widespread by mid-afternoon, eventually merging into a QLCS, or 'squall line'. The chance of significant tornadoes within the squall line is somewhat reduced, but brief weak to moderate tornado spin-ups are possible, and severe wind gusts to 90 mph (40 m/s or 145 km/hr) will be possible. Individual discrete cells that form ahead of the line will still have potential to produce significant tornadoes.

The warm layer about 2 km up will try to surpress storms in Southern Kansas, Missouri and Oklahoma, but any isolated storms that do develop will have the capacity for significant tornadoes and softball hail, as seen in this WRF forecast sounding for Tulsa, OK


Atlantic tropics looks quiet, but all but a small area near where Barry made landfall are over the magic 26.5º temperature in the Gulf, and the Southern Gulf is now exceeding the 28º needed for major tropical cyclones, so when the heart of the season arrives in early August, the Gulf will be an energy rich steambath, possibly exceeding 32º (90ºF) like it did in 2005 the week before Katrina hit.

288 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:12:58am
289 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:14:47am

#275 lawhawk - Boker Tov Y'all! So it's Drudge vs Al-Rueters (see my #286). I'm putting my money on Drudge. Not cause I have any more information, but who the hell would back Rueters?!

290 bianchi_roadie  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:15:26am

#263

Well, it's only in the Netherlands right now - not in the US. And Holland has other substances/activities parents need to be more concerned about. I've been to Amsterdam twice and was approached by at least one drug dealer a day.

It will probably be regulated by the time it hits the States (if ever).

291 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:16:06am
292 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:16:34am

#286 realwest
We citizens just don't count, anymore. Even criminals, ordered to be deported, can stay?
I found this out about your earlier link:

I'm a big fan of your site. I'm also a chemistry professor.

Alcohol's active ingredient is ethanol (CH3-CH2-OH). Ethanol is a volatile liquid-- meaning that it evaporates much more readily than water, or even than rubbing alcohol (aka isopropanol). So the short answer to your question is no, "subyou" cannot be a powdered form of ethanol because ethanol at room temperature is a liquid (and a short-lived one at that). However, subyou could be say 95% filler (sugar?) which has been mixed with a small amount of ethanol (your link suggests 4.8% ethanol by volume). Given that this amount of alcohol, even if one were to eat the powder straight, is only 9.6 proof "alcohol", I'm skeptical that it's as powerful as the website would like us to believe. It would be more efficient to get a buzz from dropping a bit of Everclear into your favorite liquid. That said, reformulating ethanol into a physical form that bypasses alcohol tax combined with advertising aimed at customers of questionable legal drinking age is pretty unsavory.


So it sounds like soggy sugar. Not really "powdered alcohol."

293 windybon  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:18:18am

Today's Day by Day.

What's really disgusting is this latest story line of Chris' is based on his own experiences in Iraq. Could this really happen?

294 J.D.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:19:23am
If the immigration reform bill was a hospital patient, it would be listed in "serious condition" -- not critical, not dead, but limping along in a debilitated state, NBC’s Strickland says. And Majority Leader Harry Reid and GOP leader Mitch McConnell have each laid down markers that many senior aides feel will ultimately result in the bill being withdrawn and essentially killed. Yesterday, Reid scheduled a vote for as early as Thursday to limit debate and votes in hopes of finishing this week. But some Republicans want more time to ensure votes on their amendments, some of which (if approved) could break the fragile coalition holding the bill together.

After previously extending the debate from one to two weeks and with an ambitious floor schedule for the coming weeks, Reid wants things wrapped up. "Immigration is something that has been debated long and hard," he told reporters. "This is a bill that will never, ever make a majority of the Republicans happy. It doesn't matter what we do." But McConnell contends Reid is trying to both protect the fragile bill and protect his Democrats from taking tough votes that could haunt many of them in their re-election bids. "I understand the position he's in," McConnell said on the floor. "He would like to move this bill and I assume have his members exposed to the fewest number of votes they don't want to cast."

Strick notes that the procedural showdown comes down to this: Reid needs 60 votes to close the debate and he can't reach that number without some GOP votes. And McConnell said it's "highly unlikely" his caucus will help. Reid says he'll pull the bill from the floor if he doesn't get the 60 votes to limit debate, likely dooming the chances of passage for the year. ...


Immigration

295 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:20:37am

They're whining in New Haven, the first city to issue ID legal cards to foreigners residing illegally.

Mayor: Feds "Terrorized" Fair Haven

Mayor DeStefano accused the feds of "terrorizing" Fair Haven Wednesday by arresting 29 undocumented immigrants; his point person on immigration reform, Kica Matos, vowed the raids will make the city even "more determined" to proceed with an immigrant-friendly municipal i.d. plan.

Fortunately, this blue state reelected its Republican governor over the pandering DeStefano.

296 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:20:38am

My sense of the changes thus far appear to have made the grossly distasteful bill into something mildly more palatable.

297 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:20:56am

#292 EC Marm - Yeah, it does sound like it'd wind up being some sorta Kool Aid mush by the time you finished with it.
OTOH, from your post:

"That said, reformulating ethanol into a physical form that bypasses alcohol tax combined with advertising aimed at customers of questionable legal drinking age is pretty unsavory."

298 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:30:29am

hiccup

299 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:32:07am

Hmmm - a disturbance in the Force. Any of y'all that can, please get an LGF Fallback page ready!

300 J.D.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:32:18am
301 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:32:19am

One verse of 'Jews in Space' and the whole place goes to hell.

302 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:32:57am

Cell phones kill

A 41-year-old man drowned after getting stuck in a storm sewer trying to retrieve a cell phone, police said.

The man weighed more that 300 pounds and was wedged with his head and shoulders underwater in a vertical storm drain in front of his home Wednesday, said police Lt. Tim Eirich.

303 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:33:29am

And crap, less than 2,500 visitors and only 76 folks logged in!
Uh oh - wonder if Charles is trying out something new?!

304 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:33:35am

Powdered alcohol should be a big hit in Saudi. They could mix it with the big guys sacred pee.

305 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:33:47am

I'm sure this has been posted already:

Beware the Bloggers' Bile

TIME writer, Joe Klein blogs during a spare moment while covering the Mitt Romney campaign in New Hampshire on May 29, 2007.


But the smart stuff is being drowned out by a fierce, bullying, often witless tone of intolerance that has overtaken the left-wing sector of the blogosphere. Anyone who doesn't move in lockstep with the most extreme voices is savaged and ridiculed—especially people like me who often agree with the liberal position but sometimes disagree and are therefore considered traitorously unreliable. Some of this is understandable: the left-liberals in the blogosphere are merely aping the odious, disdainful—and politically successful—tone that right-wing radio talk-show hosts like Rush Limbaugh pioneered. They are also justifiably furious at a Bush White House that has specialized in big lies and smear tactics.
306 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:34:33am

Jammie
Face it, some deaths are comical. Lord have mercy.

307 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:35:39am

J.D. always bringing us good news...

308 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:37:04am

#293 {windybon} Good morning to y'all! Could it happen? Hell, I think it happens all the time.
How are you doing and how's the weather out there on the Great Plains?

309 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:37:10am

305 Ben Hur Right. I definitely remember Limbaugh calling hillary! "sandpaper snatch" and Hannity drops the f-bomb every other word or so.

Yeah, they're all the same.

310 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:37:14am

Peacekeeper,

Moments ago we were all discussing nitwits on cellphones and then I saw that story.

311 Buck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:38:21am

#302 JammieWearingFool

Cell phones don't kill people... people kill people.

312 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:38:21am

Document: Iran Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Taliban

Strange. They supported the Northern Allianced against the Taliban before 9/11.

OK. Not so strange.

313 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:38:30am

#300 {J.D.} Hey, it's good to see y'all back out here! Are you doing ok? Didja get my e-mail?

314 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:39:41am

some 60 Taliban fighters were drowned when their boat navy sank as they were attempting to cross the Helmand River.

The media often lauds them as masters of the local terrain but obviously nobody told these dudes that bombelts don't float.

315 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:40:37am

Paris Hilton out of jail already. What a joke.

316 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:40:56am

sandpaper snatch?

317 UFO TOFU  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:41:21am

OT, but this is the best quote I've seen in awhile:

Assemblyman George Plescia, R-La Jolla, said passage of AB 1634 could inspire someone to propose a bill requiring legislators to be spayed or neutered.
"It would probably pass," Plescia said.


Pet sterilization bill is narrowly approved by Assembly

318 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:41:38am

#305 Ben Hur - Good morning to y'all! Yeah, Joe Klein had something going there until this little fuckin gem:

"They are also justifiably furious at a Bush White House that has specialized in big lies and smear tactics."

Fuck him.

319 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:42:36am

WANTED: New commander: no experience necessary.

320 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:44:00am

I should ahve previewed 287 for typos, but I think y'all get my gist.

321 maddogg  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:44:24am

#304 PK

Penis Collada?

322 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:44:34am
323 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:44:55am

#315 EC Marm - Well sure! I mean, she's someone "special" ain't she?
Fucking "justice" system in California just sucks.

324 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:45:54am

[Link: www.honestreporting.com...]

Test your knowledge

325 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:46:18am

EC marm,

Just saw that. Indeed, it's ridiculous. Then again, so is she.

326 coz  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:46:22am

Good Morning from the Land of Coz!

...and I am a Christian ...

/startin' crap

327 J.D.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:46:43am

JammieWearingFool

Hey, I try.
Poor guy who lost his cell phone. wow!


{realwest}
I haven't checked that e-mail address in the last coupla days, but I will.
I can only last here at the computer for a short while...In my 4th week of physical therapy for a torn rotator cuff and I don't know what else is messed up. The good news is I'm less miserable than I have been. aarrrgh

How are you doing yourself?

328 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:47:18am

#311 Buck - ROTFL! Great pick up and run with the ball! LOL!
How are you doing this morning?

329 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:47:22am

Nobody cares if Madison, WI is wiped off the map by a monster EF-5 tornado later this afternoon?

330 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:48:24am

Jammie
BTW I think most phones come with a warning not to use them under water.

331 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:48:49am

279 jammiewearing Yes, yes it is.

Can we impeach Bush now?

Sadly, I don't think a recall election would defeat Kennedy.

332 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:49:12am

realwest

That was to make sure they let him back onto the blogs.

333 coz  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:49:44am

Thursday's useless bit 'o info:

During a trip to Asia in the early 1800s, a German merchant - it is said - noticed that the nomadic Tartars softened their meat by keeping it under their saddles. The motion of the horse pounded the meat to bits. The Tartars would then scrape it together and season it for eating. The idea of pounded beef found its way back to the merchant's home town of Hamburg where cooks broiled the meat and referred to it as it as Hamburg meat.

German immigrants introduced the recipe to the US. The term "hamburger" is believed to have appeared in 1834 on the menu from Delmonico's restaurant in New York but there is no surviving recipe for the meal. The first mention in print of "Hamburg steak" was made in 1884 in the Boston Evening Journal.


The honour of producing the first proper hamburger goes to Charlie Nagreen of Seymour, WI. In 1885 Nagreen introduced the American hamburger at the Outgamie County Fair in Seymour. (Seymour is recognised as the hamburger capital of the world.)

However, there is another claim to that throne. There is an account of Frank and Charles Menches who, also in 1885, went to the Hamburg, New York county fair to prepare their famous pork sausage sandwiches. But since the local meat market was out of pork sausage, they used ground beef instead. Alas, another hamburger.

The first account of serving ground meat patties on buns - taking on the look of the hamburger as we know it today - took place in 1904 at the St. Louis World Fair. But it was many years later, in 1921, that an enterprising cook from Wichita, Kansas, Walt Anderson, introduced the concept of the hamburger restaurant. He convinced financier Billy Ingram to invest $700 to create The White Castle hamburger chain. It was an instant success. The rest of the history, we might say, belongs to McDonald's.

And, no, a hamburger does not have any ham in it. Well, it's not supposed to. Hamburger meat usually is made of 70-80% beef, and fat and spices.

335 vxbush  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:50:22am

329 Ed

Oh, I care, but frankly my lungs needing oxygen takes precedence. The good news is, I can actually breathe today. The bad news is, I get to start it in meetings.

336 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:50:59am
337 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:51:05am

329 Ed
Of course we care. But you know, you are always predicting disasters. Like when you told everybody that Katrina thing was going to be bad.

338 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:51:17am

Ed...

I do... The GF's family lives just north of Madison (maybe 10 miles) and it would be a very, very bad thing...

339 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:52:09am

Coz

But not Australian!

340 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:52:34am

Morning lizards.

After some amazing high winds last night, I've got 2 downed aspen trees. :(


... more good news:/

Democrats, and their surrogates in the media, are above the law!

341 strangelove  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:52:39am

Great stuff, that.

Not being a musician, I don't know why I lke Miles' music, but I know that I do.

I also know that I despise any/all rap...the new 'black music'.

342 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:52:40am

Good Morning all!

343 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:52:50am

Check this out

Via Israellycool

344 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:52:59am

#327 J.D. - Well I'm sorry to hear that that rotator cuff is still paining you, but glad to hear it's getting better!
I'm about the same as always - doing more than my fair share to help put doctors put their kids through college! LOL!
Uh, if I've got an "old" e-mail addy, could ya send me the new one? Rotator Cuff allowing, I mean!

345 godfrey  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:53:40am

Ed

I have friends in Middleton, out in the flat. Keep us posted.

346 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:53:41am

329 Ed

I've been to Madison WI.

Unless there is a Lizard there... no, not really.

(I'm kidding...)

347 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:53:42am

BTW, Michelle Malkin is downright hilarious and pointedly accurate in this clip.

348 gamegrid  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:54:29am
315 EC Marm 6/07/2007 6:40:37 am PDT

Paris Hilton out of jail already. What a joke.


It was a joke to put her in there in the first place. The fact is, throwing a high-profile person into jail causes all kinds of disruptions to the system. They do have to take special precautions in regards to that prisoner, they will get special treatment because if you don't do so you could be responsible for seriously negative national news and you're job will be on the line. (Say Paris Hilton gets brutally beaten on your watch.) We're talking major lawsuit stuff as well...and the Hilton's have the money to make the state (taxpayers) pay big.

Paris had the money to pay a serious fine and not do jail time. Throwing her into jail to "make an example out of her" at taxpayer expense is stupid.

The jail system has been misused for many years now. The only people who really should be in jail are folks who pose a threat to society, not people who simply do stupid things. Those people should be fined, not imprisoned. If they keep doing stupid things, keep fining them. Stop screwing the taxpayers over.

349 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:54:38am

Ben your links don't seem to work.

350 coz  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:54:42am

Ben Hur!

And how!

/gives a little rascals nod

351 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:54:43am
Can we impeach Bush now?

His term is over soon enough. We don't need to go down that road.

352 christheprofessor  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:54:56am

#329 Ed

Really, it depends upon the political affiliation of the mayor. If Republican, nobody gives a shit. If Dem, it'll be Bush's fault and a campaign issue...

353 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:56:06am

I just filled out the contact form at the web site of the TB kid, Andrew Speaker's, law firm.


I heard your flimsy defense and robust sissyhood on CNN. Will you file a class-action suit for persons who fear they may have contracted TB due to your reckless and selfish actions? I wonder what your firm is worth.


If you saw the segment on CNN, you may have noticed that this ambulance-chaser sounds exactly like John Edwards. Small Wonder. Here's the message on the front page:

Don’t Be A Victim Again, Protect Yourself And Get The Money And Justice You Deserve

...answers about what they can do to protect themselves and get the compensation they deserve.

Before you speak to an insurance company adjuster, make any statements that may be used against you, or settle for an amount of compensation that is less than you deserve, arm yourself with our free and valuable information.

... we hope you contact an attorney so that you're able to get the compensation you deserve.

Many firms operate as legal 'mills' and take as many cases as they can get in the door. ... Our goal is to get the maximum recovery for each of our clients...

... We will fight to help you recover the maximum possible settlement or award. ...

Did you get the message?

354 J.D.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:56:27am

I care deeply about Madison...
Wisconsin, is it?

NY Times May Exhaust Ways to Undercut War Effort

(2007-06-04) — Editors at The New York Times are reportedly concerned that the nation’s “paper of record” may run out of ways to undercut the U.S. war effort in Iraq before the November 2008 presidential elections, and perhaps much sooner.

In what some insiders call “the nightmare scenario,” the Times would exhaust its supply of demoralizing stories based on leaked information even before the end of the 2007 calendar year.

The news comes on a day when the Times’ lead story, drawn from a leaked Pentagon document, alleges that U.S. commanders are disappointed about the progress of the troop surge in clearing and securing Baghdad neighborhoods.

According to unnamed sources in the Times newsroom, “Our only hope is a steady flow of leaks from the Pentagon and State Department. So, we still have a fighting chance.”

355 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:56:32am

June 7, 1981: a despised ’short bookish old man’ saves the world

But today is the 26th anniversary of another Israel victory-the destruction of the Osirak nuclear reactor near Baghdad, Iraq by a flight of IAF F-16’s without a single Israeli casualty: the so-called ‘Raid on the Sun’. The Osirak reactor, as you may recall was built with French assistance orchestrated by former President Jacques Chirac for the late Saddam Hussein. The Iranians had unsuccessfully tried to destroy it during an aerial raid at the start of the Iran Iraq war of the 1980’s

Begin.

Leader.

356 Buck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:56:42am

#328 realwest


Cold and wet...

(I am doing everything I can to bring that global warming to Winnipeg Canada...I drive a big SUV and everything...Still it is freaking cold...)

357 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:58:30am

D-Day.

CNN Style

358 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 6:58:52am

329 Ed welll, um, I'd guess better than 50% of Madison residents think my husband is a baby killer.

My sympathy meter is stuck on low.

359 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:00:10am

godfrey...

My GF's family is from Waunakee (The Only Waunakke in the World)... I've driven through Middleton so many times...

360 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:00:11am

robust sissyhood
heh tm

361 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:00:12am

334 JD

I saw something about that on drudge yesterday afternoon.

It'd be interesting to see, if it ends up being viable for people, if the left will still demand government funding (due to lack of private funding) for embryonic stem cell research.

362 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:00:22am

OT BREAKING


MADISON, WISCONSIN WIPED OFF MAP BY MONSTER F5 SWARM. STORMS DID $18 BILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS.

363 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:02:20am

#340 FrogMarch - Excellent! I left a comment for "Keith" and am waiting for the moderator to decide whether or not to publish it!
Great find and post!

364 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:02:37am

340 Frog March

from your link, one of the comments, from a poster on there called 'gm' really hit it, in my opinion:

Cunningham caught being a crook - fairly quickly locked up.
Jefferson caught being a crook - takes a a year or two to even indict.
~~~
Sandy Berger caught absconding with highest level security documents from the national archives that may have important information about 9/11 - community service, a fine and loss of legal license.

Scooter Libby caught lying regarding acts which were in the end not criminal - 2 1/2 years of prison.

365 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:03:11am
366 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:04:06am

347 Lawhawk

Thanks!
Michelle Malkin for President.

that
is
amazing

367 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:04:41am
368 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:04:43am

351 jammie yeah, your spouse isn't sitting in the middle east cradle of civilization right now either.

369 Peter Verkooijen  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:05:48am

OT: Turkish police has arrested Khan Muhammad Khan, supposedly an Al Qaeda leader. Can't find more info on the guy.

370 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:06:10am

#348 Martha Stewart
See how we all walk in lockstep here at lgf? :~)

371 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:06:17am

The Senate did pass another amendment sponsored by Mr. Kennedy that tightened rules on excluding gang members and terrorist supporters, but Mr. Cornyn said it would still allow sex offenders and repeat drunken drivers to remain in the country and get legal status.

372 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:07:29am

Good morning.

And now for a bizarre statement from Angela Merkel:

G8 leaders 'agree climate deal'

Leaders of the G8 nations have agreed to a compromise deal on tackling climate change, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said.

"We agreed... that CO2 emissions must first be stopped and then followed by substantial reductions," she said.

CO2 emissions must be stopped?! Meaning... no industrial production at all, no use of fire, and, for that matter, no breathing. And once we have the emissions stopped, then we'll turn to, uh, substantially reducing them. To less than zero.

And note that this "breakthrough deal" seems to be nothing of the sort;

Reports said the leaders agreed to hold talks on a replacement to the Kyoto Protocol within a UN framework.

An agreement to talk about it an some unspecified time in the future is hardly a "breakthrough".

I do hope President Bush continues to play rope-a-dope with the ClimateChangearians.

373 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:07:41am

FrogMarch, LanceKates

We don't prosecute liberal Democrats here. This Is America!


/Fruitbat

374 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:07:55am
375 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:08:32am

364 Lance Kates Who is in charge of the justice department?

376 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:08:43am

#315 EC Marm

Yup. Three days served out of an original sentence of 40 days.

America is a real shining example of "justice for all" to the rest of the world.

Spit.

377 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:10:05am
378 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:10:39am

363 Realwest

thanks!

364 Lance

I missed that comment. That's for highlighting it. We live in scary times.
Democrats really are above the law.

379 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:11:09am

Global Warming; Because Ozone Hole just wasn't compelling.

380 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:11:11am

Hi, my name is faith, and I'm an Ann-Coulter-column-oholic.

Every week, a new one appears, and I just can't seem to skip reading them, looking for that moment when she catches me off-guard and I spew coffee:

If liberals think Iraqis are genetically incapable of pulling off even the most rudimentary form of democracy, why do they believe 50 million Mexicans will magically become good Americans, imbued in the nation's history and culture, upon crossing the Rio Grande? Maybe we should dunk Iraqis in the Rio and see what happens.

linky

381 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:12:01am

374 Ben Hur
250,000 for terrorists, and not a peep from the UN?

382 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:12:38am

Does anybody doubt that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales is a partisan hack? Democrat, that is.

383 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:12:38am

"That's" = "thanks"

384 Ben Hur  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:12:38am

'Israel dissolution rally' planned for Washington

A pro-Israel group is scrambling to organize a last-minute response to a large anti-Israel rally being organized in Washington DC for June 10, Ynetnews has learned.

At the mall.

385 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:12:59am
386 Black George Bush  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:14:08am

morning all!

387 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:14:39am
'Israel dissolution rally' planned for Washington

A rally of the dissolute, by the dissolute, and for the dissolute.

388 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:14:55am
389 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:15:41am

375 funky chicken

The judge is the one that hands out the fines. Do you really want precident of the Administration adding to or subtracting from a Judge's ruling? I'd think of it as a misuse of power, Administrative Branch interfering with the Judicial Branch.

The President can Pardon, and there are a few that should be on that list.

You can't blame the President for Fitzgerald hunting Republicans, and you can't blame the President for a lack of Conservatives hunting Liberals.

You also can't blame the President for liberal Judges giving lesser punishments to liberals.

You blame he judge.

390 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:16:24am

374 Ben Hur you're either with us, or with the terrorists, or being creative to beg your terrorists to be nice, or at least calling someone with a warning right before your terrorists blow something up...or something

An Iraqi official who spoke on condition of anonymity explained the delicate American diplomacy as follows: "The Americans want the Kurds to make their lives easier. They need the Kurdish government to show they are willing to do something to tackle terrorism in the north. They are asking for them to be creative. They don't expect them to go after every cell, but maybe alert Turkey of a threat, act on intelligence, arrest some people, make an effort."

It's a fucking farce and our people need to be brought home.

391 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:16:30am

#384 Ben Hur

I thought the big DC rally on the 10th was going to be a standard anti-war anti-military March on Washington... ?

392 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:17:01am

#356 Buck - Well I reckon you ought to write to Al Gore and John Edwards (though I hear that if you write to Edwards' hair dresser sylist, you have a better than 50-50 chance he'll actually hear you!).

393 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:17:09am

You blame the judge.

(PIMF)

394 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:18:58am

389 Lance the Sandy Berger thing was Bush justice department white glove treatment all the way.

As is the hesitancy to indict Jefferson.

Remember from quite recent events, that the top drawer US Attorneys work at the pleasure of the president.

395 coz  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:19:06am
#358 funky chicken 6/07/2007 6:58:52 am PDT

329 Ed welll, um, I'd guess better than 50% of Madison residents think my husband is a baby killer.

My sympathy meter is stuck on low.

Funky,

For a minute there I thought your husband was an abortion doctor.

He's in the ME. I get it now. Boy was I off!

God Bless your husband! Next time to talk to him tell him coz says "thank you".

396 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:20:36am

If global warming is such the existential threat that the eco-loons say it is, how come they thwart any effort to implement non-COx emitting alternative energy programs, including wind power for reasons as minor and trivial as because it might harm their views of the ocean, or get in the way of their speedboat races (Teddy K/RFK), might skewer birds (hey, think of all the COx reductions due to fewer birds, and all the NOx reduced if Canada geese get turned into flying sushi instead of pooping all over the lawns and waterways in the Northeast), or because they might make a sound.

Similar arguments are made about hydropower - dams block fish or underwater turbines might turn fish into tartar.

They complain about solar arrays because it might mess up the view in the desert.

They're not eco-loons; they're neo-Luddites.

So, if they want to start reducing COx emissions, let them start by holding their breath. It will help me save mine.

397 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:21:30am

Funky Chicken

A Question. I understand that you worry about your husband, especially with the current course of the war.

But, do you really think that impeaching the President will send a message to our enemies that will make it safer over there?

It'll show them that there is no support for the war effort and that, if they keep blowing things and people up, we'll go away.

398 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:21:31am

#384 Ben Hur
A few of my favorite Koskidz will be attending. I can't wait for their reports.

399 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:21:31am
400 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:22:55am

#368 funky chicken

yeah, your spouse isn't sitting in the middle east cradle of civilization right now either.

And that would help the war on terror... how?

401 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:23:03am

CNN Political analyst Bill Schneider explains the tricky acronym 'OJT' to all of us stupid jackasses from somewhere outside D.C.

That's New Hampshire shorthand for "On the Job Training"

He did everything but make little "quote fingers" in the air while he spoke. Thanks for the analysis. Get paid for that do ya?

402 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:23:31am
403 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:25:13am

#251 gg,

I was being just a little bit sarcastic. And I do agree that there are real gentlemen around here and there. Harder & harder to find though, at least in any great numbers.


Wasn't two weeks ago at an office building I held a door open for a young lady who proceeded to explain to me that she didn't need my help and was perfectly capable of opening the door herself.

Nice, huh?

The thought did occur to me that if by chance Abdul does happen to take over America, I will at least enjoy the part were Little Miss Can't Be Wrong finds what it is like to be second class.

404 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:25:19am

382 haakon Ha! That's why I want Fred! for POTUS and Rudy for Attorney General. I think Alberto has made such a pigsty mess over there that it's gonna take a Rudy to clean it out.

Ashcroft isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he is a reliable conservative and did a fine job over there. Gonzales? awful.

And thank God Bush didn't cow the Harriett Miers critics when he called them sexists.

Let's hope his calling names yet again on immigration helps kill the bill.

405 J.D.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:25:30am

{realwest}
The eagle has landed. I'll reply next go-around. Thanks!

LanceKates
Give 'em time. They'll come up with something else to yammer about...never fails.

Just kidding about Madison, WI. My friend's stepson graduated from the college there...

406 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:26:03am
#329 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet 6/07/2007 6:47:22 am PDT

Nobody cares if Madison, WI is wiped off the map by a monster EF-5 tornado later this afternoon?

I might be in the basement myself...in the path.

407 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:26:29am

384 Ben Hur

'Israel dissolution rally' planned for Washington


I wish I could go. A busload of my friends are heading down. I have to stay home and work on getting my book proposal out. Will be the first free weekend I've had in a very long time.

408 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:27:03am

400 m it would give us a chance to have a president who can find his ass with both hands.

Cheney can at least do that.

I'm increasingly convinced that Bush can't.

409 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:27:41am

394 funky

I do agree about berger, though I don't understand why.

I partially agree about Jefferson. They couldn't even search his OFFICE without major confrontations from ALL of congress. THAT investigation has to go very slowly and very cleanly, or it'll be a complete mess.

but, I still don't hold President Bush responsible for the Scooter Libby sentencing, or even the Sandy Berger sentencing... since the Administration doesn't do the sentencing.

I do believe that Libby should be pardoned... He's guilty of remembering one thing at one point, and another at another point, regarding something that not only wasn't a crime, but when it was found out who the real 'leak' was, the case was dropped...

Those two border patrol guards should also be pardoned (Or, at LEAST, moved to a prison in which they aren't in with normal prisoners.

410 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:27:53am

Well, gotta go.

411 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:27:57am

Yep, impeaching the President, that would really send a message of American strength and unity to our enemies.

(wtf?)

412 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:29:04am

I present you with a gift:

How many of the candidates for President stand on the issue of How would you grapple with Iran's nuclear drive?.

Don't slam Biden all at once for believing that the threat from Iran obtaining nuclear weapons is years away along with the missiles to carry 'em. He's taking that on blind faith, not to mention that a jihadi could just as easily transport 'em into a country or they could be carried by a plane on a suicide mission.

Obama says the threat is real but we have time, and to let diplomacy work - hey, it's worked out great so far. Let's see what another couple of years would do. And it's nice that you would give a President power to use force, but you now seek to limit the current President in using force against al Qaeda in Iraq. Nice.

I could go on, but you'll get the idea.

413 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:29:51am
414 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:30:05am
Funky

Well, you've owned and are entitled to gripes about extension of your husbands duty and I think we've all expressed our thanks every day and I do it again right now. However, that doesn't make some of the things you're saying correct. An impeachment of Bush by conservatives and liberals together would make us ungovernable and chaotic even if we got Rudy/Hunter or whoever next. Our soldiers would not be safer and their mission would not be fulfilled. How would this be good?

415 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:30:17am

Mmmm, Goose Sushi...

416 Mike C.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:30:49am

# 380 l f

Heh.

417 doppelganglander  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:30:49am

Morning, all. Here's some brilliant analysis from the left about why the extreme left is so, well, extreme: it's all Rush Limbaugh and George Bush's fault!

418 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:31:01am

#348 gamegrid - Even allowing for the "extra cost" of dealing with a Paris Hilton in jail, to NOT put her in jail, because she's a "celebrity" (though I confess I have no idea why she is) is even worse. She is idolized and emulated by thousands, as are most celebrities and to give her jail time is in fact an excellent example for those "followers" of hers.
We both know she knew she wasn't supposed to be driving while her license had been revoked; to ignore that, or to treat that as only an offense worthy of a fine is just plain wrong. It shows the "I'm entitled" generation that they're correct; they are above the law and the law is only "jumping on them" because they're young and pretty and...I don't know what, cause I still don't know why Paris Hilton is a celebrity in the first place.

419 galloping granny  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:31:29am
#372 Occasional Reader 6/07/2007 7:07:29 am PDT

Good morning.

And now for a bizarre statement from Angela Merkel:

G8 leaders 'agree climate deal'

Leaders of the G8 nations have agreed to a compromise deal on tackling climate change, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said.

"We agreed... that CO2 emissions must first be stopped and then followed by substantial reductions," she said.

Well now! That would be an instant solution to all of the world's problems. No CO2 = no O2. Without carbon dioxide all plant life will die - immediately. Without plant life there will be no oxygen for animal life. Why don't we call this handy solution "How to wipe out life on Planet Earth in one easy lesson." Skip the whole nuclear disaster scenario . . .


Just exactly HOW STUPID ARE THESE PEOPLE?

420 Midwestprof  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:31:39am

OT

Paris Hilton reassigned to home. What a load of sh*t. What a double standard. Poor baby probably cried all night.

421 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:31:58am

Re: my #391

Looks like I was wrong. Boy, are the flyers I've seen misleading about the nature of the event! (Or maybe there's a teeny little anti-Iraq-war rally going on, with organizers who hang out near where I work.)

I did some searching, and found lots of websites on this hate-hate-hate-destroy-Israel rally.
The self-loathing jewishvoiceforpeace will be there.
Roseanne Barr has screeched her support. (Links included in the linkied blog.)

I could go on, but I'm beginning to feel ill.

422 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:32:22am

Impeach Funky Chicken!

423 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:32:25am

More religion of butchery in restive Thailand..

424 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:33:30am

OR,

Yep, impeaching the President, that would really send a message of American strength and unity to our enemies.

(wtf?)

Believe it or not, outside the realm of religion we think much alike ('cept women).

Sometimes I think it's best to just to let statements like that stand on their own for the world to marvel.

425 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:33:52am

I don't agree that Paris Hilton should serve less (or no) jail time because she's famous. She should serve less (or no) jail time because she's hot. On the other hand, there's that whole "Caged Heat" thing to think about. Public policy, it's so confusing.

426 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:34:06am

I just finished a fictitious Photoshop debate between each of the Presidential contenders (plus Fred! and Newt) against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Each candidate appears for about 5 seconds, fades out, and the next one appears. For entertainment purposes only.

427 rw in san diego  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:34:22am

#347 lawhawk

Michelle Malkin was devastatingly funny. I am disappointed at the venom with which the WSJ board attacked those of us who disagree with their open borders position. Michelle nailed them on their hypocracy.

428 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:34:24am

418 realwest

she's a celebrity because she is rich and an amauter porn star.

and she parties alot.

so people like her in hopes of getting to have sex with her.

so they can have a moment of fame saying they've had sex with Paris Hilton.

she doesn't seem to produce anything of value... which is more and more common among celebrities.

429 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:34:57am

#321 maddog

ROFL. Isn't that the Barry Manilow song?

430 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:35:29am

OR,

I do hope President Bush continues to play rope-a-dope with the ClimateChangearians.

No more "rope a dope". No more mealy mouthed "Yes, climate change is a problem but such and such treaty isn't the solution". When you admit that something is a problem you're inevitably going to be faced with criticism if you fail to deal with it. Climate change isn't necessarily a problem, and if it were there's absolutely nothing humanity could do to stop it anyway.

431 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:35:46am

Jail Paris Hilton!

432 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:36:29am

Morning No Sub... Glad the book deal is taking shape!

As for impeaching the President, come on... I know he is a huge disappointment to those of us who want a leader who is no nonsense, but seriously, high crimes and misdemeanors...

We are guaranteed new leadership in 2009... We are the ones to decide if that is Shrillary/Obama or someon on the Repub side (whomever that may be)...

433 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:37:53am

430 Dirk

I think that the President should say "In the 1970's we faced a growing problem, according to ecological scientists. They told us of their fear of Global Cooling, and how we were destined for a new Ice Age. I can announce that, today, we have solved that problem. Temperatures have been rising for the last number of years, which has kept us safe from the Ice Age."

434 rw in san diego  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:38:03am

PIMF

hypocrisy

435 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:38:21am
Two-Day Tornado Threat

I need to make list...beer,water and chips...thank God we made the basement a game room. [Link: www.accuweather.com...]

436 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:39:01am

432 tfc

agreed. and, given a democrat congress, we definately need a strong conservative at the helm to keep them in check.

437 jehu  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:39:14am

So Paris goes home because of "Medical Conditions?" Funny those conditions never stopped her 24/7 partying and indiscriminate boinking. Nice to watch the country in things both large and small disintegrate to the laws for them and then for the rest of us.

438 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:39:31am

Dirk, with a pissy attitude like that, you're never going to have steamy jailhouse sex with Paris Hilton.

439 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:39:40am

#408 funky chicken

You honestly think that impeaching Bush would have any kind of positive effects on our country? I have to disagree.

It would only give the liberals a "see... we told you he was a LIAR, WARMONGER, BUSHIE!" theme. And the uninformed would scan the headlines and think- well they WERE right all along.

Uhm- no 'they' weren't.

Can I ask grounds would you impeach him on?

440 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:40:00am

I still don't understand the complaints about global warming global cooling global change.

Granny's right. I would think the greenies would be rooting for even more carbon dioxide. The more CO2 we produce, the greener we get.

Perhaps the lefties are forgetting to relax the diaphragm and acidosis, followed by madness. Could explain much of their convoluted thinking.

441 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:40:11am

Paris Hilton's a nasty skank with no body and zero personality. I shudder to think what she'll look like in 15 years when all that time in the tanning bed takes it's toll on her skin.

442 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:40:15am

432 tfc3rid
Hey, good morning!

I don't have a deal yet. But I am getting some good responses so far.

Have you noticed all the extra police on the subway lately?

443 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:40:27am

If global warming is so bad, how come Abilene, TX, day before yesterday, had their first 90ºF (32ºC) day of 2007? That is the latest occurence of a 90º day since records began in the 1880s. The normal day is in early April.


PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN ANGELO TX
452 PM CDT TUE JUN 5 2007

...A NOTEWORTHY TEMPERATURE RECORD WAS SET AT ABILENE TODAY...

AT ABILENE REGIONAL AIRPORT THE HIGH TEMPERATURE TODAY WAS 91 DEGREES. THIS MARKS THE FIRST OCCURRENCE THIS YEAR OF A HIGH
TEMPERATURE OF 90 DEGREES OR GREATER IN ABILENE. THIS ESTABLISHES A NEW RECORD FOR THE LATEST DATE IN THE YEAR TO FIRST REACH OR
EXCEED 90 DEGREES.

THE PREVIOUS DATE FOR THIS RECORD WAS MAY 31ST...1900.

444 Mike C.  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:41:11am

# 433 LK

Pretty good. Heh.

445 christheprofessor  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:41:16am

Helmut Schmidt for President!

Lead paragraph in the German publication Deutsche Welle: "Former German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt called for an end to the 'hysteria' over global warming in the lead-up to the [Group of Eight] summit. The topic is 'hysterical, overheated, and that is especially because of the media.' "

Mr. Schmidt reasoned there's always been climate change on earth, "warm [ages] and ice ages for hundreds of thousands of years." To assume that global climate change can be altered by world leaders attending this week's G-8 summit, he said, is "idiotic."

446 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:41:55am

#348 gamegrid

The only people who really should be in jail are folks who pose a threat to society

Drunk drivers don't pose a threat to society?

448 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:43:24am
449 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:43:37am

I don't know how we will solve the problem of global warming on Mars. Looks like dark days are ahead.

450 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:44:00am

Immigration. shrug. It's become much worse under Bush than Clinton.

Bush has sent our military into harms way and since early 2004 has played the diplomatic fluffy puppy with our enemies.

But, hey, he's your hero, so that's fine.

Now I'm gone.

451 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:45:10am

#438 OR:

That's so hot /paris

Seriously though, she's being released because of overcrowding in the prisons there. Nice. Convicts get to spend about 10% of their sentences in jail because of the overcrowding.

A nice solution would be build more prisons. A more elegant solution would be to fine convicts like Paris an amount equivalent to a percentage of what it would cost to have them incarcerated on a daily basis. So, if it costs a 1000 bucks a day to incarcerate someone, and were only able to serve 10% of their sentence, take the remainder of their sentence and multiple that figure by the daily rate, to give the fine they should be required to pay. Use that money to build more prisons so that you wouldn't have to engage in revolving door justice... /my 2 cents

452 Jehu  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:45:13am

441 Dirk

Agreed, worthless woman on many levels. If she did not have money she would be taking my order (and getting it wrong) at Taco Bell.

453 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:45:28am

Funky - you can keep the smart ass attitude. I thought I was really polite in asking your point of view.

Bush isn't my hero. He doesn't deserve impeachment.

My opinion.

454 coz  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:45:59am

ploome ploome ploome

/with my best singing voice

455 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:46:04am
I might have more confidence in the cure for global warming if...

It wasn't 10 years ago these same people mandated cutting the tank capacity of your toilet in half to save water.

After you flushed about seven times, everything looked clean as a whistle.

456 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:46:10am

No Sub...

I have noticed a tremendous police presence at both the Herald Square station (where I get on) and at Union Square (where I catch our beloved L)...

I'm not too sure what to make of it... Usually I can totally pick out the UC cops at Herald Square but this week there are no UC's, just lots and lots of uniformed officers...

457 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:46:28am

Creeping insanity update, #6,105

To help ends meet while I was in college back in the 70s, I worked as a security guard at a certain low-rent motel in Lubbock. The leading cause of arrest on those less-than-august premises was public intoxication, followed closely by vehicle burglary. Actually having someone carted away to jail was a rarity in any case. The roughnecks, bikers, and small-town adulterers who stayed with us could get rowdy but they seldom went over the line into criminal misconduct.

I have long since moved on from that industry but I happen to know a rather fierce young chap who is currently employed as a hotel security guard. He works at a high-priced establishment that caters to business and academic trade. I talked to him about this at some length a while back and we compared notes on "then and now." The first startling revelation was that he wears body armor and carries a Glock .45, a taser, pepper spray, and a flexible baton on the job. By all accounts he is likely to need them.

According to him, the leading cause of arrest at his current assignment, I kid you not, is physical assault against hotel employees, followed closely by domestic violence. Among those arrested was a Texas A&M professor who attacked a bellman after the bellman asked the prof to stop blocking the main entrance with his vast array of luggage. The professor had arranged the whole pile to block the entrance while he paused to have an extended conversation with a bored subordinate. This is not just monumentally rude, it is a serious fire-code violation. The bellman was willing to carry it out for him, but the prof seemed determined to inconvenience everyone else and his mojo was apparently threatened by anyone who did not recognize his right to do this.

Another arrestee was a vice-president of a pharmaceutical company. This classy individual responded to a clerk's simple request to keep his voice down by assaulting the clerk with his fists. He got the usual ass-whipping and trip to jail courtesy of the local cops, though he soon bailed out.
Another violent lunatic was the wife of a wealthy physician from Midland. Her problem was not being able to order room service two hours after the restaurant had closed. She broke out a patio window and had to pay for it, but avoided arrest.

The most troublesome group, believe it or not, were the players of a particular rather conventional board game whose association was holding a tournament here.
No fewer than five of these geeks-gone-wild were arrested while they were at the hotel. One of them, in fact, did not even get in the door. As soon as he got out of the airport van in the driveway, he went to the back of the van where the driver was unloading bags. The driver happened to pick up the guest's fancy custom-made version of the game. This apparently enraged the guest, whereupon he yanked the wooden case out of the driver's hands and hit him with it, screaming, "Keep your hands off of that, you n**ger piece of shit!" The case was hardwood and it left a cut that required five stitches.

The security guard was standing a few feet away. He knocked the enraged game player down with that nifty baton of his, kicked him a few times, and held him until police arrived. Another of these worthies assaulted an elderly waitress in the restaurant, throwing a glass of milk at her. He too was sent to jail. Yet another tournament player was beaten in the parking lot at 4AM by persons unknown (though possibly not unjustified, all things considered) and sent to the hospital.

The sponsors of the tournament were told in no uncertain terms to find a different venue next time.

The guard's stories may be embellished a little but several of them (especially the nerd violence during the game tournament) made the papers so I think they are fairly accurate.

More than one person has suggested that insanity is spreading across the country like a bio-war agent, and I am inclined to agree.

458 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:46:35am

SPC just issued a message that as soon as the t-storms in extreme N.E. Kansas and SW Iowa become surface based (which will occur when the temps reach ~26º), they'll need to issue a tornado watch, as low level shear is impressive, and even this early, convective atmospheric potential energy for surface that can reach the LGF exceeds 2000 Joules/Kilogram!

460 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:47:23am

Taliban Spring Offensive watch: Another 30 bit the dust. May all their spring offensives result in such outcomes.

461 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:47:45am
462 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:47:54am

Before the heroin and/or anorexia took its terrible toll, I thought Nicole Ritchie was kind of hot, far sexier than Paris.

463 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:48:02am

441 Dirk

Old Paris Hilton

464 WeaselZipper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:49:01am

morning folks!

the Swedish Chef is at it again.

Syria Fails in Attempt to Kill Main Hariri Witness in Paris...

465 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:49:43am

Funky Chicken
You don't have any more Ultimate Moral Authority than Cindy Sheehan did. There are plenty of military wives who continue to support their husbands without calling for the impeachment of the President, or any other hippie bullshit.
So while I hope that your family is reunited soon and safely, I just have no sympathy or patience for your point of view. I wouldn't comment, except that we can't seem to get away from your daily anti-bush rant. At a cesspool like Kos, your crap would seem normal--here, it's out of place.
Find your strength.

466 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:49:47am

456 tfc3rid
Did you see the SWAT teams out on Monday morning?
Haven't seen that since September 11, 2001.

467 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:50:01am

#435 storagemanager - Flashlights! Don't forget em (so you can find the beer, chips and whatever else you think is a "necessity"! LOL!
Seriously, hope Ed's predictions are wrong, but have to admit he's usually right on target.
Sure hope you and yours will be ok.

468 miamitech  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:50:07am

i cant believe they didnt bury the story la times saudi story on digg
the comments are actually good

469 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:50:11am

444 Mike C

heh. Just thought he should take credit for something. lol.

You ever sell that OK house?

470 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:51:08am

#459 Carl- If true, than the Bush Administration will be judged along side Buchanan and Carter's, as disasters.


Only Israel can stop the Iranian bomb if the US won't do it, and Israel would be hard pressed to put enough long range F-16I and F-15I jets in the air to bomb the necessary targets, while also flying combat air patrol and SAM supression missions.

That, and Israel's current PM doesn't inspire confidence.

471 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:51:19am

Carl in Jerusalem...

If true, it's a sad day for the free world...

The media in the world has reduced the American ability to wage war to a level of impotence... We're afraid to destroy our enemies...

472 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:51:36am
I shudder to think what she'll look like in 15 years

Dirk, that's why it's so important to have sex with her now.

[sigh] You just don't get it, do you?

473 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:52:06am

449 goodbye natalie

if you look at the charts, it didn't start warming up until after we sent those rovers a few years ago...

It's Bush's Fault!

*grin*

474 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:52:20am

457 Shiplord Kirel
We are witnessing a global rise in psychopaths.

475 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:52:29am

#384 Ben Hur

'Israel dissolution rally' planned for Washington

A pro-Israel group is scrambling to organize a last-minute response to a large anti-Israel rally being organized in Washington DC for June 10, Ynetnews has learned.

WTF...they're scrambling? I knew about this weeks ago and I've been posting about it here for two weeks.

Call to Action

People around the world are joining together in a global Day of Action as “The World Says No to Israeli Occupation” to protest the 40th anniversary of Israel’s illegal military occupation of the Palestinian West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem, and Syrian Golan Heights.

In the United States, thousands of people from all over the country will converge on Washington, DC from June 10-11, 2007 to send a clear message: The United States Says No to Israeli Occupation!

We know that occupation is wrong. We see U.S. troops occupying Iraq, and we say no. We see Israeli troops and civilians occupying Palestinian land, and we say no again. Wrong in Iraq, wrong in Palestine.

They are now placing the campaign in an "Anti-Apartheid Framework." They even have an "Anti-Apartheid Framework Training Curriculum," in a conveniently downoadable PDF. Their steering committee is a who's who of anti-Israel activists, including Phyllis Bennis and Mazin Qumsiyeh.

This is serious business.

476 haakondahl  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:52:36am

#450 Funky Chicken

Now I'm gone.

You've been gone for some time.

477 WeaselZipper  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:52:42am

Paris is a skanky coke hoar. Just my 2 cents.

478 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:53:38am

No Sub...

I did... What are your thoughts regarding the mass presence?

It could not be because of the 'lame' plot against JFK, could it?

479 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:54:02am

I've also noticed more cops on the DC Metro in the last few days. Not a hugely increased presence, and not tactical teams (that I've seen), but somewhat larger numbers.

480 christheprofessor  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:55:40am

If Paris hadn't been born with a silver penis in her mouth, she'd be an Assistant Crack Whore right about now...

/sorry, but the truth hurts...

481 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:55:41am
467 realwest 6/07/2007 7:50:01 am PDT

#435 storagemanager - Flashlights! Don't forget em (so you can find the beer, chips and whatever else you think is a "necessity"! LOL!
Seriously, hope Ed's predictions are wrong, but have to admit he's usually right on target.
Sure hope you and yours will be ok.


Thank you real...I would feel better if wife and brother were not on the road...hope they return soon.

482 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:56:41am

478 tfc3rid

What are your thoughts regarding the mass presence?


Aside from Bloomberg's 'nothing to see here' comments in response to the JFK plot busts, it has be due to heightened chatter by terrorists.

483 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:56:49am

#457 Kirel:

Creeping insanity update, #6,105

To help ends meet while I was in college back in the 70s

For what it's worth, the US homicide rate (and IIRC the overall violent crime rate) is actually lower than it was in the 70s.

484 maddogg  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:57:24am

#441 Dirk

I'd doer in a nanosecond, but hey, I'm a dog!

485 EC Marm  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:58:35am

#459 Carl in Jerusalem

Bush administration will not strike Iran during term

Israel has subs, and cruise missiles. Not to mention a couple hundred (well you know). They can do it. Without getting caught.
Since this administration has given me ZERO of what I want, and too much of what I don't want, I hardly doubt they're going to start any day soon. So I think the assessment is correct.

486 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:58:40am

#459 Carl in Jerusalem - Morning Carl! Er, actually I guess "evening Carl" would be more accurate.
While I respect you and the information at your blog, I gotta disagree with you on this one. I know Bush has let a lot of us down during his presidency (though to be completely honest, I think a lot of us - or at least me - really expected too much from him) but I DO think he was serious when he said he wouldln't allow Iran Persia to have nuclear weapons. And as for "needing" Iran to withdraw American forces, that's frankly just bullshit. We can militarily neuter Iran any fucking time we want to without putting more than a few hundred, if that many, special forces boots on the ground to paint the targets in Iran.
I think it's far more likely that we'll do that to "withdraw our troops safely" than we'll allow Iran to get nuclear weapons.

487 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:59:18am
457 Shiplord Kirel 6/07/2007 7:46:28 am PDT .. More than one person has suggested that insanity is spreading across the country like a bio-war agent, and I am inclined to agree.

This is a teacher...

488 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:59:43am

No Sub...

I mean, we all know that the scumbags are atrgeting the mass transit systems... It just sems ironic that it's so all of a sudden... Maybe it has to do with the G-8 and what's happened the past few years...

489 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 7:59:57am

477 Weaselzipper

but is she nappy-headed?

Them be Firing words!
*grin*

490 lurking faith  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:01:04am

OR

I've also noticed more cops on the DC Metro in the last few days. Not a hugely increased presence, and not tactical teams (that I've seen), but somewhat larger numbers.

I'd been thinking it was due to the start of tourist season.

All those flocks of confused tourists, standing around blocking the way onto and off of the escalators, at rush hour, wondering loudly why it's so crowded. Grrr.

491 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:01:39am
492 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:01:56am

#488 tfc3rid
I don't think it has anything to do with the G8. I think there are upticks in terror alerts we don't know about.

I pray to God we never see another terror attack on US soil again.

493 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:04:02am
494 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:04:05am

483 OR

allowing the good citizens to carry firearms can do that.

495 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:04:35am

#480 christheprofessor - WOW! That's a little harsh, doncha think? I mean she'd be at least a Senior Assistant Crack Whore by now! I mean, she's worked so hard for it, ya know?!

496 BabbaZee  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:05:09am

#477 WeaselZipper

Add my two cents to your two cents and we got 4 cents.

Paris fucking WHO?

497 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:05:09am

#490 lurking faith:

All those flocks of confused tourists

I try hard not to hate them. I really do. I know that they're mostly perfectly fine people who are not accustomed to mass transit systems.

But they do seem to have a kind of evil genius for producing bottlenecks.

(My favorite was the woman I saw a couple years ago who decided to deploy a little folding camp stool to sit down in the doorway of a Metro car during rush hour. She kept making these exasperated, "aren't they rude" eye-rolling noises as people pushed around her when the doors opened.)

498 tfc3rid  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:05:18am

No Sub...

As do I... However, I do think it is inevitable... Maybe not even on the scale of 9/11 (which worries me regarding complacency of the media and citizenry)...

We must pray every day for terror to never again show its face in our homeland.

499 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:06:25am

#495 {realwest}~ credit where credit is due and all that!

;-)

500 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:07:38am

497 OR

when I visited, we did go on the amtrak from baltimore to DC, but I didn't use any DC mass transit.

I did get lost, on foot, in the kind of seedy area.

Didn't see any cabs coming through there.

501 coz  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:07:49am

NoSub:

From your link:

"but to those of us not suffering from that painful condition, rectocranial inversion, yes, they are. (insurgents/terrorists)"

Love that...

502 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:08:51am

#499 {m} - LOL! How are you doing, sugah? Well, I hope!

503 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:10:01am

#483 Occasional Reader

I know about the crime rate. Locally, for instance, there were 46 homicides in Lubbock in 1977 (the year I worked at the motel) and just 17 last year. I do not think that my departure from the security business is a factor in this however ;)

I think what we are seeing is a shift in the demographics of crime, as well as an increase in certain categories even as others go down.

My hypothesis is that certain categories of crime are increasing among traditionally low-crime elements of the population. This is hard to demonstrate but the increase in drug use in upper class suburbs after decades of decline is a telling indicator.

504 BabbaZee  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:10:03am

#492 NoSubmission
2007: G8 Turkey invades kurditan, everyone pretends not to notice, Norks test missles

2006: G8 - Lebanon war begins during the conference

2005: G8 - 7/7/ Bombings

505 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:10:11am

Yes... I am a computer nerd.

received an email in all caps.

I was annoyed.

506 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:10:22am

#500 Lance:

but I didn't use any DC mass transit.

If and when you do, just remember; stand on the right side of the escalator, walk on the left. We'll love you for it.

507 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:10:44am

#472 OR,

Dirk, that's why it's so important to have sex with her now.

and to maddog and a few others who wouldn't mind doing paris hilton. the skank has herpes so be careful and wear a body condom.

508 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:13:20am

#503 Kirel:

My hypothesis is that certain categories of crime are increasing among traditionally low-crime elements of the population. This is hard to demonstrate

Could be, but I'd be very careful... this is exactly the sort of observation that can be badly distorted by "age-related crankiness" effect.

509 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:13:50am

505 LanceKates

received an email in all caps.

I guess I'm in the same boat, I hate getting them in all lower case too, puntuaction optional.

510 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:14:43am
and to maddog and a few others who wouldn't mind doing paris hilton. the skank has herpes so be careful and wear a body condom.

The only "protection" to use when having sex with Paris Hilton.

511 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:15:34am

506 OR

must be big esclators... I'm kind of a hefty fellow you know.

*grin*

I noticed that, other than the cabbies, people didn't say 'hi' to us... but I didn't notice anything overtly rude. (except the stares we got when we were walking through that rougher area.)

one would have thought they never saw white folk before.

512 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:16:50am

Stories that make you go "hmmm":

Turkey Declares 'Security Zones'

ANKARA, Turkey - Turkey has declared several areas near the border with Iraq to be "temporary security zones" in a sign of increasing activity by the military in its campaign against Kurdish rebels.

The declaration Wednesday came amid a Turkish military buildup on the border, and on the same day as Turkish security officials and an Iraqi Kurdish official said hundreds of Turkish troops crossed into northern Iraq in pursuit of Kurdish guerrillas who launch raids into Turkey. Turkey's foreign minister denied there was a cross-border operation.

The military did not clarify what it meant by "temporary security zones," but some Turkish media reports Thursday said the areas would be off-limits to civilian flights. Others said the zones meant that additional security measures would be implemented, and entry into the regions would be restricted and tightly controlled.

In a statement posted on its Web site, the Turkish military released the coordinates of the areas that would be affected and said the zones would be in place until Sept. 9, but gave no other information.

Newspapers said the coordinates relate to areas of the provinces of Sirnak, Siirt and Hakkari. Sirnak and Hakkari border northern Iraq, while Siirt is farther north of the border. All three provinces have been the scene of fighting with Kurdish rebels.

Three Turkish officials described Wednesday's cross-border operation as a "hot pursuit" raid that was limited in scope, and one of them said troops returned to their bases by the end of the day. Turkey has conducted such brief raids in the past, but the latest incident comes as rebels are escalating attacks in their decades-old fight for autonomy in southeastern Turkey.

The security officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media, and Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul denied forces had entered Iraq.

In an interview late Wednesday, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said an incursion into northern Iraq would require parliamentary approval.
[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

513 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:18:04am

509 Aladin Sane

puntuaction optional

It pisses me off when they're mis-spelled too.

514 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:19:45am

509 Aladin

I sent my reply in all lowercase. I don't imagine they'll catch why.

515 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:20:38am

514 LanceKates

Good one!

516 maddogg  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:21:50am

#507 newsjunkie_ky

and to maddog and a few others who wouldn't mind doing paris hilton. the skank has herpes so be careful and wear a body condom.

Oh! Well mebbe I'll jus hump 'er leg then...:)

517 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:22:09am

#508 Occasional Reader "...this is exactly the sort of observation that can be badly distorted by "age-related crankiness" effect." [emphasis, realwest]
Just what do you mean by that fella? I mean, just because one becomes older more mature doesn't make one more or less apt to be cranky than we always used to be!
I'm telling ya, you young pups have NO IDEA what it's like to have to listen to yourownselves and maintain a degree of civility!
;>'

518 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:22:54am

515 Aladin Sane

What can I say? I'm still at least partially passive aggressive. heh.

I picked up my ccw permit last night.

It's all sparkley and hologram-y.

I don't think that even a flame war here could ruin my mood today.

(You hear that, Fate? bring it on!)

519 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:23:35am

#516 maddogg - ROTFl!

520 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:24:16am

517 realwest

until I dad retired, I never heard him say "The problem with the world is, there aren't enough people chained up and beaten."

521 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:24:55am

518 LanceKates

I picked up my ccw permit last night.

Good for you. I took the classes and never bothered getting mine. Maybe I'll call and see if I can still get it.

522 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:25:29am

#518 LanceKates - They actually issued you a CCW permit? Huh, I thought they were supposed to do background checks and all that! LOL!
Congrat's on getting it.
Now for the real question: what are you gonna carry and how?

523 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:26:41am

#511 Lance:

must be big esclators

Humongous, in some cases. The Wheaton metro station has the longest escalator in the western hemisphere at 230 feet.

For all my occasional griping, I do really, really like the DC Metro system. Clean, modern, quiet rolling stock; clean, non-claustrophobic stations; reasonably fast, and astonishingly little crime (considering the relatively high crime rate in the city generally).

524 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:31:37am

realwest, I'm not as young a pup as I used to be, so I can definitely feel Age-Related Crankiness Syndrome (ARCS) approaching.

Lance; congrats on the CCW! Remember, though, "double-oh license to kill" is an entirely different thing. I'm telling you this as your lawyer...

525 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:32:14am

521 Aladin

depending on the state and how long ago it was, you may need to retake it, but I recommend getting one if you can.

522 realwest

They did! My background is so clean that I fear I can't become a politician! heh.

Ruger kp-95 9mm pistol with a decocking lever (rather than a safety, puts it in a 'double action' position)

and, I have a concealed carry holster for it.

526 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:33:34am

524 OR

heh... no kidding. Like I told my family. I hope that, by the end of my life, I've wasted every penny when it comes to the concealed carry permit.

527 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:34:13am

#524 Occasional Reader - LOL! You missed my point entirely - There's no such thing as Age Related Crankiness Syndrome - you're gonna be just as cranky as you ever were, it's just that as you get older you don't really give a rat's ass who hears your crankiness!

528 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:37:53am

#525 LanceKates - Hmmm, never really been a fan of 9mm. Much prefer the S&W 40 caliber but still and all it is better than nothing.
But of more importance to where I was going to, what kind of holster? Shoulder, belt, ankle?!

529 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:37:56am

527 realwest

so it isn't Age Related Crankiness Syndrome (ARCS) as much as ARDGACS (Age Related Don't-Give-A-Crap Syndrome)?

*grin*

530 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:40:43am

528 realwest

the 9mm was much less expensive, and the instructor suggested that with hollow-point rounds, more than sufficient. He did caution some of the older ladies against a .380 that they wanted, saying that even though the actual projectile is similar to the 9mm, the charge difference is MUCH less in the .380.

I got a inside the waistband holster. It is too big for ankle, and I don't wear suit jackets for a shoulder holster.

the NRA has a nice vest with a concealed pocket that'd be big enough, but they'r 100 bucks!

531 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:41:58am

I know a former Assistant US Attorney - who prosecuted, among other things, gun crimes - who once stated matter-of-factly that a Ruger was just a cheap, knockoff Luger. I gently suggested she should read up a bit on guns, if she's going to be dealing with them.

532 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:41:58am

#502 {realwest}~ I am doing pretty well :) Hope you are! I'm sorry it took a few to get back with you~ these people are trying to make me work!

533 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:43:23am
I got a inside the waistband holster.

Is that a Ruger inside your waistband, or are you just happy to see me?

534 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:44:08am

532 m

but...how can they make you work? Can't they see that you're attractive?

535 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:48:38am

#532 {m} -The nerve of those people trying to make you work! I mean, who do they think they are, your employers?
Geez, some people...

;>)

536 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:51:17am

#530 LanceKates - An inside the waistband holster? Uh, lemme know how that feels after 8 or 10 hours. Seriously, I'll bet your body will be "listing" to whatever side your carrying it on after 6-8 hours (I assume you will be wearing it to work, no?).

537 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:52:34am

533 OR

for you, a Ruger.

For her, well... no comment.

538 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:58:23am

536 realwest

nope. in light of the recent Virginia Tech shooting, we've become a weapons-free environment. Not a few days after the shootings there, the 'no gun' stickers went up.

(I kid you not.)

I've sent an email explaining the concealed carry process, and done all i can on my side to rally for the Rights granted by the Second Amendment... but so far, no go.

I'm currently reparing a report detailing the shootings that've taken place in 'weapons free' environments compared to the shootings that've taken places in areas with MULTIPLE responsible gun owners carrying. (i.e., police stations, NRA events, Gun shops, gun shows, etc) I'm also going to include stories of people who've had their lives saved by someone (or themselves) who had a CCW.

I'm not too worried about ME, just some of the co workers who are young and attractive girls... working late, going to their car (we're on the edge of a seedy area)

I'm too afraid of someone breaking into my car and finding my pistol then stealing it and killing others... How's that for crazy? training and 3 month background check, and because of a policy, I'm too afraid to carry!

539 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 8:59:26am

Lunchtime.

540 realwest  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 9:07:55am

Well y'all it's been grand as usual, but I gotta go do some chores and whatnot!

Hope y'all have a GREAT DAY!

and hope I get to see y'all later on!

541 gamegrid  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 9:48:31am

#418 realwest 6/07/2007 7:31:01 am PDT

Yeah, I do have to agree with Hilton's celebrity status. She's been thrust on the public by the media like most people we can't stand.

I used to hate Justin Timberlake, and still kind of do, for that same role he has played even though he seems like a real down to earth funny guy. That's sad, eh? I gotta give the man a break, it isn't his fault. Paris, on the other hand...is a dud.

And yeah, she did get a DUI and was driving without a valid license so a punishment was due. But I'm guessing that jail was wanting to get rid of her just as fast as she was wanting to leave.

542 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 9:57:30am
I used to hate Justin Timberlake, and still kind of do


He won me over with the "dick in a box" skit on SNL!

BTW, Good Morning, {all y'all}!

543 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 10:04:17am

{Redstate}! Hey girl! How are ya?!

Bye {Realwest}!

544 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 10:32:07am

Squirrels accused of taking cemetery flags.

They didn't PIMF - squirrels should be squirrellls

Hello {all y'all}

/anybody here?

545 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 10:42:35am

on Scrubs, the janitor has an army of stuffed squirrels.

546 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 10:45:17am

actually... had an army. He traded it in to get a copy of JD's stuffed dog, since JD's fiancee accidently lost the first one.

547 Widow'smight  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 10:46:32am

Squirrels are a pain in the butt. They get Walnuts, Acorns and such and bury them in your yard and flower beds.

I have my guard dog chase them whenever possible, fortunately he hasn't caught them, they got some serious teeth.

Hello Gettinby and Lance! Lance, looks like T-Storms for you.

548 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 10:48:21am

Hiya Lance

Now that you're a bonafide ccw'ist, it must be frustrating you can't actually ccw to work.

A personal reflection on having a ccw. When I am driving, I find myself a LOT more calm and not being a reactionary anymore to the idiots on the road.

It's a whole new set of rules for being a grownup with a gun. Heavy-duty responsibility.

549 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 10:50:38am

Hi there Widow'smight!

Yes, indeed. One of the benefits of having doggies is keeping squirrels AWAY from our yard (at least when they are outside).

550 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 10:53:38am

547 Widow

Yeah, rainy time.

Sad too.. we finally got the swimming pool into the mid 80's

551 Widow'smight  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:01:28am

Lance,

I don't want the Pool warm, I like it cool so you get refreshed!. It was 70 yesterday, 80 + today, 90 + tomorrow. Then, storms and we cool back down.

Gettinby
Do they have any young squirrels in FLA, or are they just the old, toothless blue ones?

552 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:03:25am

548 gettinby

yes indeed.

first, and foremost with me, is that cars get broken into here at work, so I can't carry at all unless I can carry inside the building.

553 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:04:28am

{m} {gettinby} {Lance} {Widow's} Did I get all my peeps?
Just got off the phone with a church friend of mind whose daughter in law worked with the mother of that girl in Kansas that was murdered this week. How awful. Those things are horrible anyway, but to have a personal connection makes it more real, somehow.

554 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:05:04am

friend of mind e

555 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:05:05am

551 Widow

eh, I don't like to get in the pool unless it is at least in the mid 80's


it is very windy here, so you swim in a pool, then sit on the desk and you get rather cool.

556 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:08:02am

553 redstate

indeed it does.

if it happens in your area, or you know someone involved, or a friend of a friend, like in your case...

makes it personal.

557 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:08:30am

#551 Widow'smight

Haven't seen any old squirrels...mostly just rednecks.

558 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:08:39am

We had squirrel problems at the church this past week. On Friday, the a/c in the kitchen and fellowship hall was not working. Had a big bridal tea planned for the next day (me in charge). After getting the a/c people there for three hours, they discover that squirrels had gotten in the attic where the blower was located and chewed a thermostat wire in two, along with all the insulation on the copper tubing, etc. They couldn't fix it until Monday, but the tea went off okay with a couple of fans and plenty of punch!

559 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:09:43am

#553 redstate

How absolutely horrible!

560 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:11:31am
561 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:16:12am

Something quite a few of our elected leaders could use.

/if you know what I mean. ;)

562 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:17:06am

560 redstate

reminds me of that 'picture' that Zombie made famous...

563 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:17:23am

Now that I've posted squirrel pr0n, I've got to finish typing the church bulletin.
BBIAB

564 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:20:27am

Here ya go, Widow'smight.

Post a few of these around your neighborhood.

565 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:31:17am

redstate

Here...this may help you with your Church Bulletin.

566 Widow'smight  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:37:36am

Gettinby,

Can't view 564. But I wonder if that is the same squirrel Redstate posted. He'd have the life I guess. Although, he'd have a little trouble climbing trees, drunk and getting scraped up.

Redstate, didn't you know the family of that girl from Arkansas that was murdered also? Tie em up to a pole, let the family have at 'em.

Lance,

it is very windy here, so you swim in a pool, then sit on the desk and you get rather cool.

You really are a dedicated worker, usually people don't work while they're swimmin. Is your computer surge protected?

567 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:42:35am

566 Widow

lol, I don't mean right now, though it is windy here now..

I have been known to swim in the pool on weekends, then sit on the deck and do work now that I have a laptop with a wireless internet connection.

568 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:44:37am

Widow'smight

Goodness. It previewed just fine and now I can't find it again! :(

/it was a wanted poster. :0

But this should do.

569 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:46:33am

Lance

so you swim in a pool, then sit on the desk

Why would you do that?

570 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:48:47am

heh... I didn't even see that typo, even after widow AND gettinby quoted it...

I'm a bit... .busy and tired.

yeah. that's it.

heh.

571 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:50:06am

555 LanceKates

it is very windy here, so you swim in a pool, then sit on the desk and you get rather cool.

What was all that bitching about your job? They give you a desk with a view of the pool! You should be more appreciative!

572 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:50:39am

Dang. Always a day late.
Y'all got it covered.

573 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 11:53:14am

Lance

How did your meeting go yesterday?

Hi { {m} }

Business must be getting slow for the mortgage brokers in Tampa area. We are getting 2 - 4 calls and visits a week now looking for business.

574 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:01:30pm

#573 { {gettinby} }! Hey Sugah! ~ wow! My people are probably wondering why I haven't been out to see them in awhile. I have been crazy busy and haven't had "schmooze time" in months :( It really ramped up when subprime went screwy. And I would have thought the opposite.

Eh well~ it works for me!

575 gettinby  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:03:48pm

It's always fun to visit a little with them. MOST of them are really nice folks.

I must go. Early appointment!

Bye {all y'all}

576 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:09:40pm

Widow's

Redstate, didn't you know the family of that girl from Arkansas that was murdered also? Tie em up to a pole, let the family have at 'em.


There was a connection through our church. My older daughter had been the Regional Youth Coordinator and had been involved with her family.

577 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:10:21pm

571 m

heh.

572 m

heh.

(I'm a man of many words.)

578 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:11:44pm

573 gettinby

not very well. I can't really say more, but if you're curious, drop me an email.

579 UFO TOFU  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:15:30pm

Don't piss off redstate...

580 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:21:34pm

Hey, Lance
Here's a hottie with a gun (know how you love to see a woman packing heat) AND she has her own Ipod.

581 Widow'smight  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:23:03pm

Hello M,

Another Beautiful Day here, about 80 or so. Glad they're keeping you busy, who knows the trouble you could Cause.

Redstate,

I knew there was some connection there for you. Philadelphia is becoming the murder Capital of the US. It probably is almost as corrupt as Norleans. They have a big wage tax, yet still are broke every year. Big Union town, Big Dumbocrat town. All you need to know.

I'd rather be a Hick and look at the flowers blooming.

582 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:25:19pm
I'd rather be a Hick and look at the flowers blooming.


Amen to that.

583 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:25:43pm

I'm a happy hick :)

Hey {Widow's}!

584 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:27:17pm

Tomorrow I have a funeral to go to that is at the deceased's home. They are starting a family cemetery and he will be buried there on their place. In Mississippi, you can bury up to two people on your property without a permit. Over two, you have to get a cemetery permit. I was surprised at that.

585 Widow'smight  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:31:00pm

Redstate and M,

Surrounding myself with Beauty allows me to suppress the cynical nature many City folks seem to have. Considering I'm responsible for most of the beauty I see all day around here, it's extra special.

I can't take credit for the Beauty at the other end of this conversation, though completely surrounding yourself has to be even better, right?

586 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:31:33pm

Where's the newmellmeister? He been around today?

587 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:35:01pm

580 redstate

how evil!

*shudder*

588 Widow'smight  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:37:19pm

Redstate,

I used to dread going to funerals until my Mom's Parents died. Then I realized how important it is to have people around you at your time of need. I then felt honored to give them a much needed hug and "If I can do anything for you".

For the family, knowing that so many people care and love them might be enough to get them through.

Plus, you prolly look real sweet in a dress. (my wife told me that, I didn't notice it myself)

589 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:37:37pm
how evil!

*shudder*


Hee-hee-hee!
:D

590 redstateredneck  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:41:50pm

I've got that funeral tomorrow and then Sunday, a wedding.
A girl who was a close friend of my daughter, went to the same church, practically grew up at my house was going to get married in October. Her fiance is in the National Guard and he found out that he was going to be deployed, probably in September. They moved the date up to the end of July. He found out last Saturday, that he has to report for duty July 14. They will be getting married this Sunday afternoon at our church. Her folks had one week to put it together!

591 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:55:10pm

590 redstate

I think a "Quick" wedding for THOSE reasons is much preferred to the "The Stick is Blue" reasons...

592 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 12:57:03pm

I'm always amazed at how everyone is available except the one (and often only) person who can answer your question.

593 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:04:46pm
594 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:05:29pm

Okay... do we have any banker type people on here? (ones that know what's going on, not end brokers like us)

Rates have been going up over the past week... week and a half... but they have went up 3 times today.

What tha...?

595 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:07:48pm

Woman Arrested for making faces at Dog.

snip:

"Prosecuting a woman for `staring' at a police dog is absurd," said her lawyer. "People are allowed to make faces at police dogs and officers to express their disapproval. It's constitutional expression," said public defender Kelly Green, who represented Jayna Hutchinson.

Hutchinson, 33, of Lebanon, N.H., was charged with cruelty to a police animal and resisting arrest after a July 31 incident in West Fairlee in which police were called to a market to investigate a report of a brawl. They were approached by Hutchinson, who told one officer she had been assaulted the day before by one of the men involved.

She asked Vermont State Police Sgt. Todd Protzman to take her statement but he refused, telling her she smelled like alcohol and was drunk but that he would take her statement at another time.

After a heated exchange, she approached Protzman's cruiser, where his dog Max was waiting, putting her face within inches of the window and "staring at him in a taunting/harassing manner," Protzman wrote in an affidavit.

Making faces at a police dog. Legal, but stupid.

596 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:09:15pm

594 m

Rates are getting ready for when I buy a house in the next few years.

that way, they'll be really high, and I will have extra % added because of my low credit score.

*grin*

597 Widow'smight  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:14:10pm

Folks,

I must go, have a wonderful day.

598 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:21:30pm

take care widow

599 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:38:03pm

#596 LanceKates - when you do go to buy... let me know so I can tell you some programs to make sure they check for eligibility on.

Seriously. It will be worth it.

600 m  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:38:34pm

Bye {Widow's}!

I'm out too y'all~ I get to pick up the nephew today :-D

601 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 1:46:22pm

599 m

maybe I'll give you the business, if you're able to do inter-state brokeraging.. heh.

602 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:08:43pm

Prof arrested for hinting that he'd bring an Uzi to class.

I don't know why they'd arrest him. He wouldn't do it.

I mean, the campus is a weapons free environment, so there's no way that he'd bring a gun.

/Leftist thinking

603 LanceKates  Thu, Jun 7, 2007 2:19:23pm

Oklahoma Governor spends my money.

Oklahoma's Gov. Brad Henry, spends alot of time on vacation. He's gone to mexico multiple times. (In fact, he's been to mexico more times since becomming governor, per year, than previous governors have gone on vacation ANYWHERE)

He and Mary Falin (now a national rep for OK) were Governor and Lt. Governor last year. Between the two of them, they spent a buttload of taxpayer money on vacations, but, here's the rub...

snip:

Out-of-state expenses billed to the state by Henry and former Lt. Gov. Mary Fallin during 2005 and 2006 totaled $277,525, records show. About 94 percent of the expenses, or $259,963, were billed by Henry.

Henry, re-elected in November, went on nearly twice as many out-of-state trips as Fallin. He went on 33 trips while Fallin went on 18 trips.

So, Henry went on nearly 2 times as many vacations and spent 259,963 dollars to Mary Fallin's 17,562.

that averages out to 7,877 per trip for Henry and 976 per trip for Falin.

Guess which of the two is a Democrat and which of the two is a Republican.

604 Cato  Sat, Jun 9, 2007 8:51:11am

My 3 year old loves it but regrets she can't play it.


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