have asked Israel’s permission to import anti-tank missiles, grenades and millions of bullets to fight the Islamic militant group Hamas

Riiight, to take on all those Hamas, er, tanks... got it.

They want weapons for peace with Israel!

Why the HELL would Fatah need anti-tank weapons to fight Hamas? Has Hamas acquired TANKS?

IowaHawk, is this your work? too funny

Oh, sure. What a great idea! Why didn't I think of that? Let's give all these maniacs weapons! Perfect plan.

Give them plastic ones soaked in estrogen.

Where's the fence?

Palestinian government requested that all Israelis go to the seashore and assume jumping position. The moderate Fatah gave explicit guarantee that they will not be pushed into the sea.

Disgusting. Just disgusting. The spineless Olmert government will sell their fellow countrymen as long as they keep their seats. What is their approval rating? Last time it was a whopping 3%. Probably Olmert's extended family still approves of him. Most of it anyway.

They would've been better off saying the anti tank missiles, grenades, and millions of bullets were to feed their starving people. It has worked for the last 40 years.

Deal! With one provision. Israel must inspect each shipment to uh, er ensure they are functioning properly.
/You know wouldn't want the weapons blowing up in their faces when they use them or anything like that...

Send them some of that tasty Jonestown Koolaid.

I posted this on my blog and it bears repeating. There's absolutely no reason for anyone to supply the Palestinians with weapons. None. Any weapons that have been supplied thus far have been used by terrorists, both against other Palestinians and against Israel. Whenever the Palestinians tire of their civil war, they'll go back to shooting at Israelis.

Arms embargo should be the only policy when it comes to the Palestinians.

After all, we don't want to be seen as taking sides in a Palestinian civil war, do we? That would be a quagmire...

Now, that's chutzpah!

#8: or give 'em bullets soaked in bacon grease.

Look Islamoknuckleheads...we are going to drop sheets of linoleum, a few hundred boom boxes and we expect there to be a Hamas / Fatah break off to settle this once and for all...

OT

Taliban handed commander's body

Afghans handed over the corpse of Mullah Dadullah (snort) three weeks after he was killed. I think this violates some sort of "bury before n sundowns" rule, and if so, good for the Afghans.

WTF? This has gotta be Iowahawk's work. I mean how could Israel even begin to consider allowing importation of anti-tank weapons (when did Hamas acquire tanks, btw?) and millions of rounds of bullets.
Sheesh, you'd almost think Olmert was running Israel for the Pali's to even consider such a request!

It's a good idea (sarc tags-o-plenty), but an even better idea, along the same lines, would be to skip the middle man (Abbas) and just supply the weapons directly to Hamas. Saves on shipping and handling.

How about importing some IQ?

Get a life palestinians: we werent put on this earth to kill kill kill kill kill in the name of some mythological figure

Go read a book, or look at a sunset or something.

Or at least get real jobs

Israel has given permission for the import of weapons in the past, most recently in March after Palestinian officials made guarantees the weapons would not fall into Hamas’ hands and be used against Israeli targets. There is widespread opposition to this new request for the same reason.

Palestinian terrorists guaranteeing that the weapons wouldn't fall into the hands of other terrorists. Nice trick, especially considering that we've got several examples of terrorists ambushing convoys carrying those weapons and expropriating them for themselves.

Olmert will OK it after the US State Department under Condi Rice and President Bush, who, at one time, used to a Republican President, tell Israel that they need to "help" the "moderate" Abbas.

No blood for soil!

Why stop at anti-tank missiles? Give them tanks! And, fighter jets and even cruise missiles. Heck, skip all this kind of hardware altogether and just give them nukes. Hamas won't stand a chance!

Truce or no truce?...
Fatah activist killed in fresh Gaza clashes

A Palestinian security officer was killed on Thursday in the first deadly clashes between rival Fatah and Hamas gunmen to scar the Gaza Strip since a truce began nearly three weeks ago.

Another 17 Palestinians were wounded in the violence that erupted west of Rafah, in the southern part of the increasingly impoverished and radicalised Gaza Strip, before spreading downtown, medical sources and witnesses said.

The dead man was named as Wael Wahbeh, a security officer and activist in the secular Fatah movement headed by president Mahmud Abbas, which has been locked in periodic factional fighting with loyalists of Islamist rivals Hamas.

The clashes later subsided and both sides agreed with Egyptian mediators and the Islamic Jihad faction to pull armed men from the streets and open an inquiry into who was responsible for the infraction, security sources said.

"...made guarantees the weapons would not fall into Hamas’ hands and be used against Israeli targets."

Seems that all they are guaranteeing is that they won't fall into Hanas' hands while guaranteeing that they would be used against Israel.

Then again, given that the AP has the Palis attempting to import "bullets" instead of ammo (and I don't think even the Palis are that dumb), who knows what the "anti-tank missiles" really are.

Guns and ammo can flow 2 ways. Iran can ship stuff to Hezbos through Syria and the Hamas can ship stuff to other groups through Egypt. It is all one big supply chain that would make UPS® envious, and all the materials of destruction are being supplied by the very people they have sworn to destroy.

MandyManners

Now, that's chutzpah!

Of course Olmert will agree. Not only that, but Israel will pay for these weapons. First Barak gave as a gift natural gas near Gaza, that belonged to Israel even under Oslo, and now Olmert agreed to buy that gas woth billions going to Arab terrorists.

Arabs are dealing with mentally retarded Jews who agreed to self deportation and self ethnic cleansing, then put criminal Olmert in power after pogrom of Jews in Amona, and now keep him in power after the loss in Lebanon War that stripted Israel from deterrence.

So it is not chutzpah! Arab terrorists are very realistic and know who they are dealing with.

Sure, why not? Israel has been picked at and attacked for years without utterly decimating its enemies, so there's no reason not to keep their enemies armed and maintain status quo. Stepping back, its almost become a Roadrunner/Coyote scenario, minus the humour.

Good morning lizards,

I think Israel should honour this "legitimate" request by sending all the weapons they could want and more! via special air delivery by the IDF.

Why let the pali's import weapons?

Why not just kkip the middle-man and just let the Isrealis shoot themselves?

Islamic book bans in Malaysia

You know what happens when their delicate sensibilities are offended.

#29 Iron Fist

An even better Idea would be to kill Hamas for and Fatah, and save them the trouble.

I just thought it needed a little emending.

Security forces loyal to moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas have asked Israel’s permission to import anti-tank missiles, grenades and millions of bullets to fight the Islamic militant group Hamas,

So this means that Fatah is declaring war on Hamas?

Sounds like they don't have enough weapons-smuggling tunnels.

/

#37 400 lb Gorilla

So this means that Fatah is declaring war on Hamas?

If so, I wish excellent success to both sides.

# 34 shug "Why not just kkip the middle-man and just let the Isrealis shoot themselves?"

I hear Israel has developed a new tank which they're calling the Baker Plan in honor of James Baker. I believe the tank does exactly what you suggest-blows up in the face of the IDF soldier. The advantage from a political standpoint is that no one is ever forced to resign from the running the Israeli government.

Ever get the feeling the Arabs are laughing at us behind our backs?

I can only come up with two theories about what factors bring us to this state of affairs:

1. Oil.
2. Anti-Semitism.

I propose a modification of the old leftie slogan. Here goes:

"No Jewish Blood for Oil!"

What do you think?

Why not? couple the arms importing with this and what can go wrong?

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Why should this surprise anyone?

We (the UNITED STATES) have been arming Fatah the whole time, we OK'ed the money to flow back into their coffers a few weeks ago, we (The US State Department) told Israel on May 17th:

But we've also urged them [ISRAEL] to consider the consequences of their actions in defending themselves

REALLY!
Is that right?

MFers.

DEAFENING SILENCE AMIDST THE ROARING OF BEASTS

FATAH is old school yassir style, marxist inspired terror. HAMAS is new money Iranian sponsored Islamic terror. Too bad they can't both lose.

Seriously, what could possibly be the future for the Palis? Eternal war with Israel/the West? Never ending sectarian massacres?

It's the vipers vs the scorpions for control of turd mountain.

I need one of these. Now.

#37 400lb Gorilla - How could Fatah declare war on Hamas. After all, wasn't Hamas democratically elected? Wouldn't that make Fatah
um, "freedom fighters" or "insurgents"?
I'm getting a headache out of all this. Israel should just say no (hat tip, Nancy Reagan).
Boy I'll tell you though, if Israel does say no, the Pali's will really be seething in the streets!

Posts on Fatah, the US and the Baker Plan

Totally OT but, I'm laughing my ass off right now. There's a newbie nic "cupidstunt" on a heavy-duty etiquette forum I read.

#44 Peacekeeper

Too bad they can't both lose.

Just to keep the perspective, if at any time since 1947 the Arabs had declared peace with Israel, and agreed to any of the land deals offered, they would have won. Since they've always turned down peace with Israel, they've lost. So far.

#41 Pawn of the Oppressor

I propose a modification of the old leftie slogan. Here goes:

"No Jewish Blood for Oil!"

I'm in.
Get it for me a T-shirt, large.

44 PK

Arafat was a Marxist? What about all that money he had? I thought wealth was anathema to Marxists.

Yes, President Mahmoud Abbas qualifies as a "moderate" Muslim, he only wants to kill Jews.

"Radical" Muslims want to kill me.

Babbazee,
This pic on your blog is priceless!

#17 ointmentfly:

You mean something like this?

Idiots...

--Concerned Israeli Citizen

#55 NoSubmission

I LOVE that.
OUTRAGEOUS!

Clipped it from a russian site, have no clue what is says

if anyone knows
please let me know thanks

Mandy... that's very funny, but what is somebody with the nic "Cupidstunt" doing on an etiquette forum?

Security forces loyal to moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas have asked Israel’s permission to import anti-tank missiles, grenades and millions of bullets to fight the Islamic militant group Hamas, officials said Thursday. ...

From when Hamas is using Tanks

Well, if Israel allows the Palis their weapons, there shouldn't be any complaining when they use them against the Israelis---this is getting beyond inane and insane. If one allows cobras to breed in their living room, they shouldn't be surprized when they are bitten by one.

Here's something about war plans for Iran---

[Link: www.vdare.com...]

...and come to think of it, what are you doing there?

#53 MandyManner

ARAFAT WAS TRAINED BY THE KGB

Meanwhile Islamic Jihad is bragging to the Arab press that it has a new and imoroved terror rocket.

[Link: www.thepeninsulaqatar.com...]

Just ship em a box of Rocks. Arabs have mastered Rock Throwing.

Every Palestinian I've ever seen is holding a gun - even the 5-year olds. They need more?

#60 humanity
Good post.

Hamas does not have tanks, so the anti-tank weapons are not for use against Hamas. The purpose of the anti-tank weapons that the Fatah terrorists want is to copy what Hizballah did in repelling any Israeli incursion. They may be used directly by Fatah, or given to Hamas, or sold to Hamas, but the anti-tank weapons that they want are for fighting against Israel.

Hey I dont know how many of you are in the DC area but there is an anti-Israel rally on June 10th and a counter protest is being organized. Ill be there and I just wanted to spread the word. Here is the link to the article where I read about it.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Peace

Abbas to Israel "PS.. Do you have any spare nukes, couple of F-16's and just one Apache".

F-ing Donation Population

Mandy
Arafat used to go to Romania to party and get butt blasted. He was a complex individual.

Raids in Iraq bring more than 30 arrests

BAGHDAD, June 7 (UPI) -- The U.S. military said 16 suspects detained in a Baghdad raid Thursday are believed to belong to a network that moves weapons from Iran to Iraq.
In all, coalition forces arrested more than 30 suspected terrorists in raids Thursday, Voice of America reported.

More please.

Send them knives and swords. There, issue resolved.

"Good" Fatah Versus "Bad" Hamas: Not a Brilliant Strategy.

What're the Vegas odds that Olmert will actually agree to this insanity?

Israel has given permission for the import of weapons in the past, most recently in March after Palestinian officials made guarantees the weapons would not fall into Hamas’ hands and be used against Israeli targets. There is widespread opposition to this new request for the same reason.

Did someone dump LSD in the Kinneret?

Document: Iran Caught Red-Handed Shipping Arms to Taliban

NATO officials say they have caught Iran red-handed, shipping heavy arms, C4 explosives and advanced roadside bombs to the Taliban for use against NATO forces, in what the officials say is a dramatic escalation of Iran's proxy war against the United States and Great Britain.

"It is inconceivable that it is anyone other than the Iranian government that's doing it," said former White House counterterrorism official Richard Clarke, an ABC News consultant.

Ok, so can we dispense with the "maybe it's a rogue element" canard once and for all?

Anti-Tank Weapons.

Let's try that again...

Anti-Tank Weapons.

No, sorry. No matter which way I roll that round my head, all I can think is that someone, somewhere, must be taking the absolute piss.

#64 pat

Meanwhile Islamic Jihad is bragging to the Arab press that it has a new and imoroved terror rocket.

Here's the video of their new rocket: Palestinian Resistance Display Large Rockets and then Lauch One at Zionist Targets

Dear Olmert,

Bombs for the poor pleaes...Bombs for the poor.

Very Respectfully yours,

Ham...oops... I mean

Abbas.

At least they didn't ask for a couple of subs & a decommissioned battleship to defeat the mighty Hamas Navy.

In the short term, there will be the pretense that the weapons are for use by Fatah against Hamas. But in the longer term, and in the intermediate term, and even after just a few months or weeks, the weapons will generally be used against Israel.

59 Kenneth

I have no idea. I'm just amazed that the mod allows it. I once was on that site but I got booted. Go figure.

63 BabbaZee

Thanks for the link. I'll be reading it today.

70 Peacekeeper

"Complex?" I'll say!

43 BabbaZee

Mazel Tov.

You post content absent everywhere else. No pick and choose, no...not you.

You are a true friend of Israel and of truth even when truth is difficult to let go of; to confront and to see.

You posted so much on the lack of passing the embassy act, of the insanity of that move. How is it possible to be a friend of Israel and ignore this central issue? With it you presented links and fact and right in your face truth. (LOL...just one example of many of your looking straight into the sun)

G-d bless.

I have a novel idea.

How about Suicide bomb vests that triggers only inside Palestinian areas. you know much like those dog collars that give the dog a shock if he goes to far outside his yard.

does anyone have an email address for the Israeli Gov't? I'd like to make a suggestion regarding this "Request" for weapons by the Palis and the buildup of Syrian troops on the Golan border and Hezzbolah in Lebanon.

Take a lesson from 1967 Ohlmert, strike first, strike hard and don't let the "U"seless "N"ations (including GW and Condi) talk you into a peace deal.

The great war between the ummah and the civilized world is at hand and Zion is it's flash point.

58 BabbaZee
I know a Russian woman. I'll have a translation soon.

"Why yes, we'll gladly give you all the rope you need based on your assurances that it won't be used to hang us!"

#83 selpaw

{selpaw}

and BABBA-AKBAR! ULULULULULU

Sheeet, The palis dont need no stinking permission from the Israelis to get weapons.

Here, ill help you guys out for free.

[Link: redarrowhobbies.com...]

There is an old Arab saying: Me against my brother; my brother and me against our cousin; me my brother and our cousin against the stranger.

The Israelis would have to be insane to think that they can permanently flip Fatah against Hamas. Soon enough the weapons would all be used against Israel. Repeat the old Arab saying, ten times.

Not that Israel should do this, but anti-tank weapons are good against "up-armored security" vehicles (like Mercedes Benz).

Personally I think Israel should rain soft nose bullets all over Gaza so that both sides can gleefully kill the other.

#85 WaltC

Pick the Member of Knesset that you want to address and then send to:

The Knesset, Jerusalem, Israel

continued from #83

from BabbaZee's blog:

“It is therefore truly amazing that, other than the foreign ministers of France and Spain, so few have raised their voice against Ahmadinejad. Why has there been no denunciation from President Bush, Secretary Rice or any other senior figure in the Administration? Unfortunately, this silence is part of a pattern.”

"There was silence when, on March 30, Hamas spokesman Ismail Radwan ended his sermon broadcast on the Palestinian Authority TV with the words, ‘The Hour [of Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will say: “Oh, Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!” There was silence when, a Palestinian Arab author, Kan’an Ubayd, wrote in a Palestinian Arab newspaper in April, ‘the extermination of Jews is good … to which Allah gave his blessing.’ Why does the U.S. continue to deal with, support, fund and urge concessions to the PA when its elected officials call for genocide of Jews? Why are foreign governments not protesting or demanding a retraction of these statements? Now Ahmadinejad, head of a state that is believed to be close to acquiring nuclear weapons and which has openly discussed using them against Israel, speaks of Israel’s imminent destruction and the world remains largely silent.

((( WriterMom )))

BABBA-AKBAR! ULULULULULU

YOU BET ; -)

Arms shipments list:

10 crates Acme 'short fuze' grenades.

One gross 'One-Use™' anti-tank RPG (less propellant)

1million 7.62X39 centerfire round (double loaded with the missing RPG propellant)

There ya go fellas, that'll be 1.2 billion US.

#96 Norm Chumpsky

Just don't send them any rocket skates or anvils.

Kinda like callers I get who insist I replace their about-to-go-out-of-warranty machines because they cannot bother getting it fixed.

Yeah, right. That's a good one.

Heh...

Hamas doesn't seem to have any problems getting weapons. Who knows, they may very well have a tank or two hidden away by now...

It's not as if the Israeli wall/fence is preventing anybody from entering or leaving those sections of the Holy Land that are currently illegally occupied by millions of Moslem immigrants.

It's just that Fatah, the pitiful remnants of the PLO, are stuck between the fence and Hamas.

Cue the worlds smallest violin...

===

Arafat, like the vast majority of "Palestinians" wasn't even a Pali. He was an Egyptian soldier, ordered by Nasser to lead terror attacks against Israel and trained by the KGB.

GATES
OF
HELL,
R

Guided Anti-tank missiles are useful in urban areas for pinpoint attacks on strongpoints- taking out a concrete building full of activists without blowing up the Martyr Mouse TV station next door, for example.

Of course they would never use them on Israeli targets..that would naughty.

Iran Adding Attack Boats in Persian Gulf,

Iran is increasing its fleet of small attack boats capable of challenging warships and disrupting oil traffic in the Strait of Hormuz, the sea route for two-fifths of the world's daily supply of crude oil, the U.S. Navy says.

Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps already has more than 1,000 of the speedboats ``and continues to add boats armed with anti- ship cruise missiles,'' said Robert Althage, spokesman for the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence.

"Iran still states that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps will employ swarming tactics in a conflict,'' Althage said in an e-mail. Naval intelligence, in its latest report on threats, said an attack against U.S. forces and commercial tankers could include over 100 boats in coordinated groups of 20 to 30 approaching simultaneously from multiple axes.''

Question for LGF navy types: can the US Navy deal with that threat?

I say we should give them the bullets but only after they have left the barrels of IDF guns.

The only thing the palestinian's seem to be able to do without Isreal's help is breed.

#101 Kenneth

…can the US Navy deal with that threat?

I know how I'd deal with it. Three words: "Massive" and "Retaliation", with your choice of expletive in the middle.

/Q: "What does 'massive' include?"
//A: "What doesn't it include?"

Why doesn't Olmert just start killing Israelis himself and cut out the middle man?

#34 Shug
mea culpa...hadn't read through the entire thread. Great minds do think alike, though!

#38 Ward Cleaver 6/07/2007 8:39:57 am PDT

Sounds like they don't have enough weapons-smuggling tunnels.

/

Just read earlier this week that Egypt found huge weapons caches in the Sinai.

101 Kenneth

Yes, quite effectively. Especially with two CSGs in the area. An attack like this would require massive coordinated command and control, which the IRGC does not have. The bigger concerns are all those mines and their Kilos, and the mobile platform cruise missiles on the coast. The could easily target international shipping like they have done previously in the 80s.

Babazeee

grüß dich

#104 JamesTKirk

Like a gang of kids taking on a biker gang at a bar, they could get in one good punch before the sh*t got beat out of them, ultimately, yes, the USN has the fire-power on board to turn Iran into a glass-paved parking lot. But my question is whether the US would loose a major vessel to such a swarming attack? Or would they see it coming, from all the vectors and take them all out in time. I would assume these boats would be armed with missile launchers and not just a bunch of fanatical pirates waving scimitars.

Slightly OT:

Gay Pride march in Jerusalem

What's next, World Sausage Festival on the Temple Mount?

I'm sure Jorge Wahabi and Sleeza have no objections. After all, Abu Mazen is their good friend and a man of peace.

And I'm equally sure those spineless, brainless, whipped dogs named Olmert, Peretz and Livni won't object either.

If you doubt G-d's existence just take a look at Israel's 'best friend ever'--then observe the clowns running the show in Jerusalem--then realize despite all this, there is still a nation called Israel--and all your doubts will be dispelled.

Is it April 1st again? Anti-tank missiles? Send them some cardboard models and call it a day.

Send them the weapons -- and a bunch Israeli soldiers to man them.

Funny how is Fatah always labeled 'moderate'. If they truly were moderate, we could easily tell by their policy and actions and wouldn't need the qualifier. It would be more truthful to always label Hamas 'more extreme'.

#101 Kenneth

yes, the Army and Air Force can hadnle it

with helos with Hellfire laser guided missiles, 20mm and 30mm cannon.

the Navy also has 5" guns with radar prox fuese.

but getting a Battleship out of mothballs would send a nice signal.

#101/#110 Kenneth

If the IRGC's goal is to sink or damage a major US warship within the Gulf, at any cost. They could very well do so.

Mob tactics do not require massive coordination, all they require is a mob.

The IRGC has been practicing this very tactic, on a much smaller scale, since the early '80's.

The Phalanx mounts, which have never successfully intercepted an inbound anti-shipping missile in combat, would get a workout. Like the Phalanx mounts, the 5 and 3 inch deck guns can only fire just so many rounds before their magazines run dry.

Then we're reduced to US Marines and Sailors manning the decks with light and medium machineguns and small arms.

REPEL
BOARDERS,
R

"It would be more truthful to always label Hamas 'more extreme'."

Nah.
It would be more truthful to label Fatah 'more pragmatic'.
They both share the same extreme goal.

Funny, they've never seemed to have a problem obtaining weapons in the past.

The pre-text here is that without more weapons the "moderate" Fatah is going to be exterminated by HAMAS.

If so, I say good riddance to good rubbish.

Seriously, what has Israel to gain from this except the strong likelihood that weapons they provide to Fatah will end up being used against Israelis?

Fatah isn't going to exterminate Hamas, and why is it in Israel's (or anyone else's) interest to subsidize an endless Hamas/Fatah civil war?

#111 Cygnus

Slightly OT:

Gay Pride march in Jerusalem

What's next, World Sausage Festival on the Temple Mount?

They're the only country in the region that doesn't stone people for being gay; you'd think the Left would give them some credit for that.

Here's a suggestion to the Paleostinian Fools. Stop using your precious weaponry against Israel, and turn them on yourselves.

'Millions' of bullets.

6 million, perhaps?

Muck

If you doubt G-d's existence just take a look at Israel's 'best friend ever'--then observe the clowns running the show in Jerusalem--then realize despite all this, there is still a nation called Israel--and all your doubts will be dispelled.

Well said!

#108 Rearden Steel
#115 wargammer2005
#116 Render

Thanks for your comments. The US currently has 2 carriers strike groups and a Marine Expeditionery force. That's a hell of a lot of fire-power, but also a lot of targets. My guess is the Iranians will get in one or two lucky hits before the US stops them. I pray the commanders don't have to phone Washington for permission to shoot back.

A friend of mine told me he saw a Phalanx in action at the test facility run by the manufacturer. He was impressed, to say the least.

#89 el matamoros

lol. If anyone has ever seen one of the truly awful films of Andy Sidaris, he always has Estes model rockets used as high-explosive missiles.

Got yer bullets right here, just line up, boys, to receive them.

Anti-tank missiles are great against soft targets like unarmored cars, not to mention buildings, as well as swell pyrotechnics at weddings.

Why do we even have a General Dayton there? Does Bush really think that the thing the Palestinians are lacking is "training." Lord help us.

#125 ploome hineni

the Iranian small boats have to be sunk, BEFORE, not after a 'coordinated' attack

That's how i see it, & I'm sure how the brave sailors & Marines see it too. But what are the ROE? I would hope the USN has the green light to take out any boat or group of boats they deem a threat, as they approach certain distance for example.

#84 Sakublock

What they really need are collars like in Running Man, too far from the base station and POP, off with the head.

127 J. Lichty

Why do we even have a General Dayton there?

General Dayton:
U.S. envoy to PA slams Israel for refusing to ease PA conditions
And we have the unmitigated gal to focus all our attention to the moonbats on the left!

Does Bush really think that the thing the Palestinians are lacking is "training."

Not to bore you but I am sick of hearing how long it takes to train the likes of the Palestinians, Iraqi's and others.

As the war of independance began shiploads of tired broken Jewish men came to Palestinine with no previous background in fighting. These men came after having somehow lost everything and everyone in the Shoah. What they saw and went through is impossible to describe in mere words. They were destroyed men inside. --->HOWEVER, in short time these destoryed men fought off the arab armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon and did so with little training and inferior armaments!

And here we are living in a world who will not let up making excuses for why these poor people need more training. BULLSHIT! We have become the co-dependants to a lie for the poor Palestinians, Iraqi's and others because they are sooo untrained. WHAT THEY ARE is

LACKING WILL.

They are so used to others making excuses for them while doing little or nothing themselves to pull themselves up that now we find ourselves always having to prop them up with buckets of whitepaint with our fingers crossed behind our back.

The rag tag army of Israel beat off Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon simply because of sheer will.

When will we learn? When will the lies stop?

We can do nothing for those who lack the will to succeed for their own people! This is why all the training on the planet will do nothing but place us all the more close to death ourselves.

In Dayton you will see the harder edge of state department policies.

As if Condi wasn't graceless/lacking in finesse enough herself.

It's not 'training' that Dayton is responisble for providing. It's analingus to the great man of peace and friend of George Wahabi Bush, Machmoud Fucking Abbas, also known by his 'nom de guerre', Abu Fucking Mazen, he of the Ph.D. in Holocaust Denial from Cairo University.

Dayton is a liar:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

#130 selpaw

On target - What they really need is UN-TRAINING
from the society they grew up in. Lots of luck on that one.

-S-

Read what the incompetent Sec. of State said when she named Dayton's predecessor in the job:(February 7, 2005)

"This is the most promising moment for progress between Palestinians and Israelis in recent years. Over the past two days, I’ve had intensive and productive discussions with Israeli and Palestinian leaders. Based on those discussions and on our ongoing efforts with both parties, I depart the region confident of the success of the meeting tomorrow between President Abbas and Prime Minister Sharon. The United States is determined to do all that we can to take advantage of this moment of opportunity in the weeks and months ahead. As we have said on numerous previous occasions, ending violence and terror is essential to allowing the resumption of progress toward peace through the Road Map and the President’s two-state vision..."

[Link: www.state.gov...]

To quote (or paraphrase) Vladimir Ilyich, "The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." If Israel sells thems weapons, then Israel deserves whatever it gets. (no sarc)

By the way, where can I buy some tickets for the World Sausage Festival? Will there also be wings and BBQ? (sarc)

136 Dr. Shalit

What they really need is UN-TRAINING
from the society they grew up in.

This is something only they can do. Freedom is not given it is earned. We can morally no more give them freedom under the circumstance in which they live as we can give them a will to do good; a will for the better no matter how badly the powers that be try to do otherwise.

Their co-dependants in the west require un-training. Now we have a fire burning. Now we see before our eyes the victims have been turned into the victimizers. The good ones are the pariahs. Out of fear and paybacks and all kinds of twisted reasons we now have a bunch of coddled human beings aka terrorists who are hopelessly unable to help themselves.

The lies spoken to prop them up are like a gigantic knot which is almost impossible to untie. From this more and more lies flourish and we see ourselves literally teetering on the abyss.

"Those who are kind to the cruel will be cruel to the kind."

Having continuously failed to heed the wisdom of this maxim, Israel appears intent on testing it's validity for the umpteenth time, with unimaginable gestures of kindness to some of the most vile murderers this planet has known.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Mucky

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

In all fairness, the ISraeli leadership is always in a bind. During Sharon's tenure, in his first years as PM, the US kept him on a short leash by withholding spare parts - for none other than the critical apache helicopters.

The US carefully modulated the level of violence done to Israelis so as to not allow enough to have them go batshit crazy, and just enough, from their point of view, to lubricate American machinations in Iraq and elsewhere in the Arab world.

The Israelis must bleed, and more importantly, be seen to bleed. It is simple Admin policy: 'Survive, but bleed, always, as we slowly whittle you down in size down to the bare minimum amount that modern technology can defend against premedieval murderers who want you and your children mutilated, killed, and thrown into the sea.'

This blood lubricates America's mid east policy.

Unfortunately, Olmert is even more pliable than the average Israeli leader has been in the past, or than he needs to be.

That's how I see it.

That is why a guy like Giuliani or Thompson, who have a logical and visceral hatred for the arab world, is just what the USA, and Israel, need.

MM, I agree with your oft stated thesis of Israeli blood being used to lubricate American machinations in the Mideast.

Although there is little doubt that the majority of Americans view Israel favorably and are sympathetic to her plight, and every President and administration has professed undying support for the Jewish nation as a valuable ally, behind the scenes there is an omnipresent desire to see Israel whither away with as little damage to American interests as possible.

The big problem for American policy makers is the Arabs have the oil, but Israel is the match that can ignite the entire region and turn over the chessboard, and that can never be allowed to happen.

In that respect Israel is a real pain in the ass to the USA. The upside to America is that in the meantime, there's billions in armaments to be sold to both sides of the conflict, and as long as the black gold keeps flowing all is cool.

Sooner or later though, the wild asses will make another more concerted effort to annihilate the tiny Jewish nation and this will push Israel, America and the entire planet to the brink of Armageddon.

Isn't Fatah already a net importer of weapons?

And I want the Palestinians sent to Alcatraz.

I'm all ofr delivering bombs and rockets to the Palestinians. Catch!

Nothing new.