This sounds very dicey. No surprise but, we really knew it would degrade to this now didn't we?

We'd better hurry up and send Abbas another 50 or 60 million - quick! - they'll need it!

You mean they are just killers at heart? I am shocked. Here all this time I though they were just struggling for their 'rights' ...

We ought to send some food and tents - they are gonna blow the hell out of housing very soon. The hovels left will be unusable and unsafe.

This is what happens when you lose sight of your priorities. All was peachy keen when they directed their killing to Jewish women, children, elderly, and other pizza shop patrons and bus riders.

Is it time for sweetmeats and street parties yet?

OT

20 years ago today.

Are these the beginnings of profound changes in the Soviet state? Or are they token gestures, intended to raise false hopes in the West, or to strengthen the Soviet system without changing it? We welcome change and openness; for we believe that freedom and security go together, that the advance of human liberty can only strengthen the cause of world peace. There is one sign the Soviets can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace.
General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!

Complete Text
CSPAN with link to video

The apparently no-holds barred conflict threatens the very foundations of a Hamas-Fatah coalition

Ya think?

"Hamas and Fatah at war: peace between the two parties threatened"

And this is a bad thing?

ATTENTION ATTENTION-Before we all rejoice over this-

THEY ARE STILL SHELLIN SDEROT!

Not that anyone seems to care about poor Sderot.

180 killed since December... are we approaching a grim milestone yet?

How long till Israel is blamed? starting countdown...now 10, 9, 8, 7...

Shelling Sderot is a bad thing.

Wait.

Where's the part where it states that this is all somehow the fault of Israel and/or The United States?

Sheesh, Charles is up and at em before 11 et. This is one for the books. By the way, you are doing a fine service to the country and the world and you ought to be nominated for something Charles - just don't know what. Perhaps the Ron Paul Journalism is Freedom Prize? This prestigous award is only given to people that have helped Dr. Pauls cause along and everybody knows that your making fun of him has vaulted him into infamy.

Seriously Charles, I wish I could do more than hit the tip jar but, it will have to do. Keep the faith, there are a lot of us that appreciate all you do for us and the country.

All those in favor, say AYE!

#13 Judith

Lack of counter battery fire is a bad thing too.

Without Abbas there isn't going to be much foreign aid money coming in. Killing him is insanity, but that's what we've come to expect from the Palestinians.

At it's heart, this is nothing more than one mafia family at war with another mafia family. It's only the Lef, the Media and the State Department who endow these criminals with moral legitimacy.

"Gunmen from the radical Islamist movement"

uh, which one is which again? we should give 'em both a state!

The attack came after mortar shells slammed into prime minister Ismail Haniya’s home and the seafront compound of president Mahmud Abbas in the latest bout of fighting that has killed 18 people in 24 hours.

That's nothing. Why, back in the good ol' days of jihad a good muslim could behead hundreds in a single day.

I wonder if Condi stills wants unchecked convoys traversing Israel twixt Gaza and the "west bank'?

'There can be no substitute for a Palestinian State.' she said.

Just last week.

Let's see, Condi. What depth of depravity to the 'palestinians' have to sink to before the concept of a 'palestinian stae' is taken off the table?

Targeting Israeli women, children, and other civilians? Nope.

Targeting each other? Nope.

Brainwashing their children and then sacrificng them on the alatar of Jew hatred? Nope.

Demonstrating complete and utter incompetence in managing their won affairs, beginning with sewage and moving up from there? Nope.

Sacrificing their own children

Serious question:
Were they getting along better when it was simpler and easier to kill Jews? And now that they are fenced off, must the killing urge that has been programmed into them be expressed by killing each other?
This question calls for a comment by a Clinical Psychologist.

Awaiting the headlines a year or so from now:

"Complete, entire, 100% mutual extermination of Hamas and Fatah may threaten coalition government"

#19 mj:

this is nothing more than one mafia family at war with another mafia family

Please don't insult the Mafia that way... the Cosa Nostra are rational actors compared to these bloodthirsty freaks.

All right! Time for a bowl of Orville's finest.

/who needs The Sopranos?

Another OT

Being dedicated today:
Victims of Communism Memorial

How long before the "let's stop killing each other and focus on the real enemy" news item?

/do I need to mention it is Israel?

Sderot

And on the day one of those "flying objects," to use the disdainful expression uttered by attorney and advisor Dov Weisglass from central Israel, landed in Sderot and killed Shirel Friedman, one of the commentators on national television recounted the military options available to Israel, when newscaster Geula Even asked him with concern: But what will happen if, as a result, innocent Palestinians will be hurt?

I guess even the Israeli media is part of the problem, and not part of the solution.

Yet in any case, when the time comes to choose between the lives of Sderot children and the lives of innocents-or-not-so-innocent people in Gaza, I choose the lives of the former.

Amen!

#10 Judith

Pictures of Sderot are worth a thousand words...

##10 & 13 Judith

Yes. Very bad.

close the borders - give them guns!

#6 NY Nana:

Is it time for sweetmeats

What exactly are "sweetmeats", anyway? I've never understood the term.

An interesting thought from Mere Rhetoric...

What if Gaza chaos means that arch-terrorists - otherwise safe from Israel for diplomatic reasons - start getting knocked off? Would that justify Sharon's "you want a state... knock yourselves out" disengagement calling-of-the-world's-bluff?

I still have very mixed feelings about the Gaza pull out but it may have been the right choice. Only time will tell.

#33

Sweetmeats are pancreas I believe - cow or other critter.

Hamas going after Fatah with abandon, and is calling Fatah collaborators with Israel. You just know that they're thinking of ways of blaming Israel for all the carnage of their own creation.

More here (with running updates).

Lack of counter battery fire is a bad thing too.

If I were in charge I'd meet every Kassam with a bunker buster and an extension of a no man's land on the border with Israel by ten metres. Anything moves in the zone, it's dead.

I'm not in charge and no one is listening to one old grandma from Canada.

Best wishes to both sides. Where do I send flowers?

Sopranos.

'There can be no substitute for a Palestinian State.'

'Hamas must be allowed to campaign in Jerusalem.'

'We in America understand the benevolence that lies at the heart of Islam.'

This is what happens when you teach children from birth to be homicidal maniacs.

Anyway here's a little bit of OT that I found interesting. Rudy's getting my vote in 08!

GIULIANI'S TWELVE COMMITMENTS

-I will keep America on offense in the Terrorists' War on Us.
-I will end illegal immigration, secure our borders, and identify every non-citizen in our nation.
-I will restore fiscal discipline and cut wasteful Washington spending.
-I will cut taxes and reform the tax code.
-I will impose accountability on Washington.
-I will lead America towards energy independence.
-I will give Americans more control over, and access to, healthcare with affordable and portable free-market solutions.
-I will increase adoptions, decrease abortions, and protect the quality of life for our children.
-I will reform the legal system and appoint strict constructionist judges.
-I will ensure that every community in America is prepared for terrorist attacks and natural disasters.
-I will provide access to a quality education to every child in America by giving real school choice to parents.
-I will expand America's involvement in the global economy and strengthen our reputation around the world.

Anyone else notice how quickly the MMM declared Iraq a civil war, versus their reluctance to do the same in Gaza?

What an indomitable spirit, though, you really have to hand it to these people; even under the Jooos constant oppression, they have the time to institute new sports. For example, BASE jumping: [Link: www.cnn.com...] As soon as those loans come through, I'm sure there'll be PLENTY of parachutes.

"All the information and all the facts point to a faction, to which political and military leaders of Hamas belong, who are plotting a coup against Palestinian legitimacy," the presidency said.

1) What were their first clues about the existence of this "plot"? The mortar rounds, or the RPG attacks?

2) What "Palestinian legitimacy"?

What exactly are "sweetmeats", anyway? I've never understood the term.

Well, they ain't sweet, and they ain't "meat"...

#29 NY Nana

Caption under one of the pictures:

Aliza Sayada in her kitchen, "unprotected by the government, protected by G-d"

I like that lady's spirit! :)

#10 Judith 6/12/2007 7:47:48 am

Not that anyone seems to care about poor Sderot.

I unequivocally and unreservedly condemn the terrorist swine shelling Sderot or any other Israeli city.

Happy? ;-)

Back on topic, I hope the Gaza conflict does a couple of things. First, is that the terrorists will stay busy killing each other, thus keeping them out of operations against innocents. Second is that people will finally realize that Hamas and Fatah are nothing but gangs of thugs, unworthy of support from the United States or anywhere else.

Hope springs eternal...

#33 O.R and #35 bolivar

LOL. Not exactly the pancreas.

(That's 'stomach' sweatbread...)

I can't believe Dirk Diggler and Peacekeeper missed this one.

In desperation, Hamas tried to get something going with Israel by kidnapping another soldier, the thinking being that the the only way to stop the civil strife is to redirect it towards the hated entity. Didn't work.

If anyone has high blood pressure DO NOT read this. You have been warned..

Canada: Anti-War Group Sends 3000 Letters to Soldiers Accusing Them of War Crimes...

Disgraceful letter hails the Afghan "resistance", tells soldiers they will be used as cannon fodder and complicit in war crimes.

Is there any more pathetic figure these days than the eurocrats at EC External Relations, writing checks to the PA?

It's like watching some senile aunt write big checks to "cash" for her gang-banging nephews.

#46 ScottG

ROFL. My sentiments exactly ^ ^ ^.

The attack came after mortar shells slammed into prime minister Ismail Haniya’s home

Chickens coming home to roost..

Is there any more pathetic figure these days than the eurocrats at EC External Relations, writing checks to the PA?

Yes there are. The people of Sderot and other terrorist victims, maimed or killed by weaponry paid for by these eurocrats.

Also in Ramallah, the presidential guard said it raided an office of Hamas television station Al-Aqsa and confiscated equipment. Three employees were arrested, said security sources, sparking swift Hamas condemnation.

Has farfur been done in?

I don't know if I buy into the civil war analogy in this case. It might be more accurate to think in terms of a proxy war between Iran (Hamas) and Saudi Arabia (Fatah). This wouldn't be the first time that Muslim States have vied to control the Palestinians. Egypt and Syria did it for much of the 70's and 80's.

I just hope I don't get struck by lightning for enjoying this spectacle...

/Superstitions 'R Us

It never ceases to amaze me that all this death is due to a crazy named Mo and his pet rock!

"Also in Ramallah,the presidential guard said it raided the office of Hamas television Al Aqsa"

I'm a little concerned about Farfur the homicidal mouse.

The fun continues, and includes a house inspection.

MM

"Pathetic" in the contemptuous sense. The people of Sderot deserve infintely more sympathy and support than the so-called "Palestinians."

Get out your hankies for this Reuters piece: Palestinian schoolgirls enjoy a day of 'normal' childhood.

Wasn't Saudi Arabia the most recent government that announced a peace deal/agreement between the two Palestinian groups? Gee, that sure worked. So much for arab influence in the region.

good

In the Hamas/Fatah civil war, I want to see a swift, complete and very decisive victory by both sides.

Any way to do something similar in the West Bank?

You reap what you sow...

I'm not very good with overseas political stuff, but Hamas and Fatah are in a coalition together?! That was formed less than three months ago?

I thought partisan politics was bad in America.

These guys are effed. And they only have themselves to blame

Check out the link to the BBC website.

BBC have decided, in no uncertain terms,
that this chaos is the absolute fault of
the Israelis and their main backers, the
USA.

So, #12 - bigdada - blaming the truly
innocent victims - Israeli's and American's
took place as the first bullets were
fired.

And to think of the hundreds of thousands
of American lives and trillions of dollars
we have spent to keep England "free".

I'm beginning to think the USA should have
trade relationships with everyone. And
military relationships with only our true
friends. Israel, Austrailia and only a
small handful of other countries.

If the Europeans wish to march down the
road to serfdom, I think we are morally
compelled to let them.

Interfering in their lives and culture
- and the lives and cultures of the rest
of the world - only cause us Americans
scorn and hatred.

I do understand the argument that if we
don't stop the tyrants in their lands
they will eventually come to mine.

But I think if we tell the tyrants they
can do want they want in the rest of the
world as long as they trade their trinkets
with us, and let them know they will be
utterly destroyed if they even attempt to
harm us - or our loyal allies - may be the
best thing we can do for humanity.

President Bush letting Persia know it
will be wiped off the map if they attempt
to harm tiny Israel would be a good start.

Judith, NY Nana -

It's people such as you that are informing people such as me about Sderot. People engaged in rational thought and a little curiosity will find information from sources other than MSM. Keep posting your opinions, links to photo essays, etc. You and all of us at LGF/Pajamas Media are doing more than you think to give humanity some hope in a world filled with terrorist rage.

So, sweetmeats = Rocky Mountain Oysters. I'll just go ahead and add that to my Do Not Eat List.

#40 Ben Hur:

Sopranos.

Definitely no resemblance. Otherwise, the article would be something like: "Hamas clumsily parallel parks outside Fatah headquarters, in weird, silly, unsatisfying denouement to civil war."

(My theory; those rumors that David Chase filmed several different endings are true. What they didn't say; he then threw them all into a blender, and printed the result.)

56 Sharmuta 6/12/2007 8:05:08 am PDT

Has farfur been done in?

I was JUST thinking that! I wonder if the shahid kids are getting battle ready too.

Which brings me to another thought. Why no suicide bombings against each other?

54 NoSubmission

Chickens coming home to roost..

Blowback, palestinian style.

#60 bulwrk

I'm a little concerned about Farfur the homicidal mouse.

Yeah, it would be a real shame if the little rodent got caught in the crossfire.

#62 Jammie:

The fun continues, and includes a house inspection.

Looks like some pretty bad termite damage to me. That'll take a real chunk off the asking price.

#64 scaramouche

Have you send that to Charles? What a revolting filthy, slimy "article".

Eleven-year-old Raghad

LOL. It comes from the story, so it won't get [deleted] by the Grand Poobah Lizard.

#33 occasional reader

Sweetmeats in the arab and subcontinent lands.../in the arab world, ulululuations and shooting rifles in the air add a bit of local color./

#35 bolivar

Make that pig pancreas, please.

The old expression "What goes around, comes around" applies here. The world did not condemn palestinian terror, so the palestinians created more terror. Now the palestinians are getting a taste of their own terror activities. They deserve back what they did to others. Its pay back time.

This is nothing, we'll know it's ON when they start suicide bombing each other.

Special thanks to the Egyptians, Syrians and Iranians for arming the Palestinian factions in order to keep the proxy war with Israel going...after this bloodletting the average age in Gaza will be 9. Pretty work Islamofreaks...

Charles, you're the original oracle. You had the Palestinian Civil War Watch years ago, before anyone else.

65 gbl

Wasn't Saudi Arabia the most recent government that announced a peace deal/agreement between the two Palestinian groups?

No, it was Egypt.

Defying the latest Egyptian-brokered ceasefire, Gaza plunged into renewed violence five days ago just weeks after a bout of strife left 54 people killed when tempers boiled over how to implement a flagship government security plan.

#51 WeaselZipper

Sophie Schoen, a spokesperson for the antiwar groups, said the letters are a direct appeal to soldiers, whom she said are increasingly questioning Canada's role in Afghanistan.

I wonder what her Dkos nic is.

#63 godfrey

Last night, the husband and I were watching Israel TV and it was all about Israelis in Tel Aviv raising money for Darfur refugees, to send them to the spa at the Dead Sea! What about Sderot? A lot of Israelis are not interested in the slightest about what is going on in their own southern back yard.

#51 WeaselZipper

This is one of those times when I want to punch someone through my computer.

I'll send an extra letter to a soldier today because of that. A nice one of course

The Mossad is a tricky group, dressing up like Arabs and inciting a civil war. Quick UNSC issue a condemnation and negotiate with Iran quickly, it's the only thing that can save the ME from the zionist aggressors.

I hope Bush disptaches Condi ASAP so that we can negotiate an end to all this madness.

Sincerely,
Jimmy Carter

NoSub,

Which brings me to another thought. Why no suicide bombings against each other?

Messy! Who is going to clean it up?
/

just weeks after a bout of strife left 54 people killed

They make it sound like intestinal gas.

scaramouche

You see the distended tummies on those poor villagers?

Defying the latest Egyptian-brokered ceasefire, Gaza plunged into renewed violence five days ago just weeks after a bout of strife left 54 people killed when tempers boiled over how to implement a flagship government security plan.

Damn. If this is just boiling tempers I wonder what it would look like if they really got p*ssed.

#64 scaramouche:

The Reuters piece isn't even written well (never mind the "it's all the Joos' fault" usual spin):

A new pilot psychosocial project in the village of Beit Rima near Ramallah is giving 205 Palestinian schoolgirls the opportunity to enjoy their childhood in the midst of increased insecurity among Palestinian children.

The project gives them the opportunity to enjoy their childhood amidst insecurity? Why would they want a thing like that?

And I loved this:

A recent Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics study indicates that close to 70 percent of parents in the West Bank believe that their children are exposed to violence primarily by the Israeli army.

1) I'm quite sure the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics is a sober, non-partisan bunch of highly-trained number crunchers, aren't you?

2) I'm also sure that 99% of Palestinian parents surveyed "believe" that the Israelis are controlling their thoughts with Zionist penis-shrinking rays.

I can picture future headlines:
Assasination of Abbas Threatens Fragile Truce

Massacres threaten peace

HAMAS spokesmouse held in slaying of three.

I figured at the time that this was what Ariel Sharon had in mind when he pulled Israel out of Gaza. It didn't take too long before Hamas and Fatah were at each others throats. Bring on the popcorn and the M&Ms!

Judith: Every day I hope that the Israelis will smarten up, toss Olmert out on his useless ass and put Bibi in charge. In the meanwhile, I, like you, can only watch what's happening and grind my teeth in frustration.

88 littleoldlady

Which brings me to another thought. Why no suicide bombings against each other?

Messy! Who is going to clean it up?

True.. but you'd think at this point, they'd be trotting out their grannies, retarded teenagers and disgruntled mothers festooned with suicide belts by now.

I think Sharon's pullout was a mistake, but only on a technicality. I think he should have gotten an agreement from the Palis, one they would of course have broken, but an agreement nevertheless. Like the so-called Oslo Accord, it would be something the Israelis could hold up as Exhibit B (A being Oslo), another case of Pali's inability to keep their word.

However, all along, their real word has been "Death to Israel, Death to America," and has never waivered.

#70 pragmatist:
It's not just the BBC. The terrorists themselves are looking to fix blame for their civil war on Israel. Hamas calls Fatah collaborators, and Fatah blames their failing ability to fight Hamas on Israel's refusal to arm them and provide financial assistance.

Israel has nothing to do with this civil war. Hamas and Fatah are fighting because they are obsessed with power, and couldn't care about such things as elections, power sharing, or diplomacy. It's naked ambition, and Hama rules. They want the other side eliminated, and they'll take any action to do so. They'll go after each others' leaders; attack hospitals, and any other location where the terrorists are holed up.

#61 tfk:

How exactly is the corruption of three NGs sent by the gov't to enforce the borders supposed to be blamed on Bush? Corruption can exist anywhere, and to blame that on Bush is asinine.

You'd be correct to criticize Bush on continuing to try and push an amnesty/free ride for illegal immigrants in the country, along with failing to enforce existing laws and pushing border security first, but blaming the arrest of three NGs on running an illegal alien importing scheme on the President is too much.

OT:
Mike Nifong is facing the music for his Duke prosecution. He's going to be hammered hard - especially when evidence will show that one of the accused could not have been involved because he wasn't at the party at the time claimed when the alleged sexual assaults took place; not to mention the changing story by the accuser - who claimed at various times that any number of men sexually abused her - up to 20 in one account. Yet, he went forward with the case without actually interviewing her right off the bat.

#38 Judith

This American Nana joins with you.

This is a very rough video to watch...not for the squeamish...but I am ululululating...and they are already assigning blame...and a country that's name begins witt an 'I', not India, Iceland, Indonesia, etc., gets a big part of the blame...any wild guesses?

Since 1988, the "Palis" have been permitted to observe the General Assembly of the UN as "Palestine." They have an "ambassador" who is officially called a "permanent observer."

"Palestine" is recognized at the UN as a "sovereign entity," not a non-member "state," but that appears to be a step up from being an "intergovernmental organization having received a standing invitation to participate as an observer."

The further collapse of the PA into chaos should remove the grounds for calling "Palestine" a "sovereign entity" at the UN.

A motion should be made to that effect.

#86 simonml

This is one of those times when I want to punch someone through my computer.

Tell me about it, bunch of pussies having to hide behind a letter. Grow a pair guys..

Animals kill each other... Eventually, they had to turn on themselves...

#84 killgore

I wonder what her Dkos nic is.

They seems more like a huff po group..

Big Dada (Post No. 12)

You did not count fast enough.

Doctors Without Borders has already announced that it is all Israel's fault. The line of reasoning -- actually line of un-reasoning -- is that Israel cutting off their allowance drove them to desperation. . . .

#70

yep

97 lawhawk

Come on- EVERYTHING is Bush's fault!

According to the AP story posted on Fox News web site the Egyptians are saying fuhgetaboutit

The head of the Egyptian mediation team, Lt. Col. Burhan Hamad, said neither side responded to his call to hold truce talks. "It seems they don't want to come. We must make them ashamed of themselves. They have killed all hope. They have killed the future," said Hamad, who brokered several previous short-lived cease-fires.

Hamad said both sides were about equal in firepower. "Neither can have a decisive victory," he said. "To be decisive, they need weapons that neither side has."

Interesting that he doesn't talk about laying down their arms or trying to hold some sort of discussion. Nope, let's just give one side or the other better weapons. Dontcha love the Muslim mindset?

We must make them ashamed of themselves

Oh yeah. Good luck wid dat!

We must make them ashamed of themselves

You would think that blowing up buses, cafes, etc, would've made them a little ashamed.

Then again, NOT.

They can't even recognize the sickness of their own comments.

#103 Clio

Would you perhaps have a link, for that Doctors Without Borders statement...? I don't recall seeing it, in the reports of that one guy who got the pass to go into Jerusalem to work...or, at least might you give me a clue so I could search it out mine own self...? We know a doctor, a beloved friend, who went with them, on one of their ships, for a time...my son the teacher would like to know...or, at least, I would like to tell him...? Thanks.

They're loosing sight of the Big Picture.

bloody murderers.

#110 buzzsaw:

Basically, "sweetmeats" are sweets--i.e., candy

And yet a quick google search reveals that "sweetmeats.com" is, uh, definitely about something else.

How can uncivil barbarians have a civil war?

What they're having is a good old-fashioned medieval blood feud, complete with traditional massacres.

As you sow, so shall you reap.

The Palestinians have been sowing their bad seeds for a long time. As far as Hamas and Fatah go, a pox on both their houses.

If the next 12 months of fighting continue.. like the last 12 months of fighting.. this might become a civil war.. until then the truce continues.

/MSM

Fresh blueberries for plooome!

Hiya sweetie! :-)

Meanwhile, the BBC is asking: Do you support an academic boycott of Israel?

Expect the usual frothing.

"...SOMETHING TELLS ME IT'S ALL HAPPENING IN
GA-ZOO - I DO BELIEVE IT, I DO BELIEVE IT'S TRUE
..."

With Apologies to Simon & Garfunkle.

-S-

Oxford English Dictionary, with earliest usages:

Sweetmeat. 1. collect. pl. (and sing.) Sweet food, as sugared cakes or pastry, confectionary (obs.); preserved or candied fruits, sugared nuts, etc.; also, globules, lozenges, ‘drops,’ or ‘sticks’ made of sugar with fruit or other flavouring or filling; sing. one of these.

1565 COOPER Thesaurus, Animellæ, the sweete breade in a hogge.

Sweetbread. 1. The pancreas, or the thymus gland, of an animal, esp. as used for food (distinguished respectively as heart, stomach, or belly sweetbread and throat, gullet, or neck sweetbread): esteemed a delicacy.

c1480 HENRYSON Test. Cress. 420 The sweit Meitis, seruit in plaittis clene, With Saipheron sals of ane gud sessoun.

#120 pickle

I just read the first comments, and surprisingly, they are rational and anti-arab..so far. No poll for Ron Paul, though.

From the New York Times website:
JERUSALEM, June 12 — Gunmen reportedly fired a rocket-propelled grenade at the home of Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniya of Hamas today as the worst best factional fighting among Palestinians in nearly a month appeared to intensify.

Fixed that.

Good news-seems Condi is starting to take my advice, I just wish she'd drop the conditions:
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

/Jimmy Carter

Seriously though-are we friggin nuts?

Those who are late to jihad do not get fruitcup!

:-)

#119 Ploome

I know...I just let CiJ know.

I can't find it anywhere else, and tried using the URL...same black screen, with just the sound track.

My husband tried on his computer with the same results.

Must be the arabs trying to remove good news./

I am sure this has been commented on already, but when the @#$^# is the idiotic MSM going to open their freaking eyes and call this a Civil War.

Oh-those poor Palis are not having a good time of things regardless of which country they are attempting to destroy:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

But, let's not forget to send them money and guns as soon a possible. I can't believe such a thing is happenning! All they want is peace!

#122 godfrey:

The sweit Meitis, seruit in plaittis clene, With Saipheron sals of ane gud sessoun.

Seruit withe Alle-Clade, fore itt is dishewashere-saffe.

(thanks for your note, btw)

An exact prediction of what Gaza would be like, published over 350 years ago:

The Incommodities of Such a War.

Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of war, where every man is enemy to every man; ... In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.

Leviathan, or The Matter, Form, & Power of a Common-Wealth, Ecclesiastical and Civil, by Thomas Hobbes Of Malmesbury, printed for Andrew Crooke, at The Green Dragon in St. Paul’s Church-Yard, London, 1651.

Part I: Of Man; Chapter XIII: Of the Natural Condition of Mankind as Concerning Their Felicity, and Misery.

I see a fatwa has been issued against emmigrating from Palestine. Reminiscent of communism.

Lets see, the respective leaders of Fatah and Hamas have already tried to assassinate one another and Fatah and Hamas gunmen are literally shooting at each other on the streets every day.

Is it quacking like a duck? check.
Walking like a duck? check.

One wonders what exactly has to happen before the media calls this spade a spade?

They can't use the term "civil war" because that completely destroys the myth of a Palestinian nation. . .ie that the Gazans are actually willing and capable of peaceful self rule.

If they can't even stop from killing each other, why should anyone believe they are going to stop attacking Israel?

I know that the MSM says the words "possible Palestinian civil war" in a tone of voice of Mr. Bill "Oh Nooo!"
Why are we supposed to care? What is wrong with a civil war? The good guys could win. They could kill the killers. That would be nice.
Yes the opposite could happen.

The US had a civil war.

#119 Ploome

The video is now working.

#128 David E

I am sure this has been commented on already, but when the @#$^# is the idiotic MSM going to open their freaking eyes and call this a Civil War.

Hey, I want to see them kill each other off in a most uncivil war! As for the MSM? Don't hold your breath.

139 NY Nanna
Hey did you catch Girlie Man Alan Colmes last night on Hannity & Colmes? He said (in the John Bolton interview part) that Joe Lieberman was engaging in "war mongering" by suggesting that we stop Iran's nuclear quest. Hannity told him in essence "It is Iran which is war mongering."

I like the idea of Palis throwing each other off of tall buildings (in a single bound)!

To Ma Sands (No. 109)

I just saw your post and went back to check the source of my comment -- and found that I had made a mistake.

The statement came from Doctors for Human Rights, not Doctors Without Borders.

The story was carried earlier today on Arutz-7 website.

Mea culpa -- and I apologize for the gaffe.

Flash ahead a few days - Abbas is sitting in Gaza coffee shop nervously looking around, sees someone exiting washroom, sees another stranger in coffee shop ... all the while his henchmen are still trying to parallel park the SUV & in walks Haniyeh. Picture fades to black.

If tese idiots reported other news the way they do this HAMAS/FATAH shootout, we would have also just heard that there is a bullet travelling through Dealey Plaza. Destination Unknown.

140 Joel
You are misquoting Lieberman a far as I know. I thought Lieberman was suggesting that we not allow Iranian training camps where they train the people who cross the border and kill American soldiers and set up IED's, and we know where the camps are. I think Colmes said "would that not be a provocation to Iran to continue its march towards nuclear weapons?" and Bolton said "if we don't do what Lieberman suggests we will be showing weakness and that will encourage Iran to continue its march to get nuclear weapons." I put quotes around it but the words are not quotes since I don't have that good a memory. I am just conveying the gist of what I remember from the conversation.

What was interesting on Hannity was that Colmes was not buying Pari's 24 hour turn around and Hannity was.

Why even call it a civil war?

Why not call it what it is, that's two criminal enterprises struggling to control the money that's extorted from the rest of the world. I see it as more of a Capone-Moran thing. Two mobs fighting for control, not of the state (their actions already show us that they don't give a fig for a human life, even a Pali one, not to mention a jewish one. All they want is the money and the power.

#142 Clio

Ought not be sorry, though...another poster did some research and came up with evidence that Doctors Without Borders actually is grossly against Israel...this link is one of the articles.

You call this slaughtering each other? The casualties are still in the single digits according to CNN. I would need to see the daily casualties in quadruple or quintuple digits before I get hopeful.

The MSM is correct in this case, it isn't a civil war simply because there needs to be a coherent government before there can be a rebellion against it. What is going on is a turf war.

I'd just sit back and let them settle this between themselves just for the sheer entertainment value.

That is if the MSM ever decides to cover it.

#149 rabidfox

Is that the definition of a civil war? Must it be a conflict between government forces vs. rebels? I thought that any time large numbers of civilians in organized groups fought against each other, that constituted a civil war.

No, civil war is out!

This is gang war,nothing more, nothing less. Two criminal enterprises wrapped up in theological garb, terrorizing the local palis and the neighboring Jews, making believe they can/could/are running a "state".

In reality, it's more of a turf war. We've got two well armed gangs, shooting up the town, with one goal in mind. control of the money that the West pours into the Pali state. They can hire any imam they want to issue a fatwa that "gives them legitimacy".

Think of Capone and Moran gangs shooting it out in Prohibition era Chicago. Its the same scam. Maybe its time for the Feds (aka the IDF) to go in andf clean up Dodge.

My solution is for Saudi Arabia to let them take an 80 year walk in the desert. Now all they need is the 10 commandments, a leader like Moses, and manna to sustain them.

The continual updates by Israellycool, is really cool... :)

#140 Joel

Hey did you catch Girlie Man Alan Colmes last night on Hannity & Colmes? He said (in the John Bolton interview part) that Joe Lieberman was engaging in "war mongering" by suggesting that we stop Iran's nuclear quest. Hannity told him in essence "It is Iran which is war mongering."

The one night I didn't watch it in the week!

Joel, just the sight of it makes me ill..and that smarmy voice?

I ♥ Hannity, though

OMG..Mamaroneck was on TV..Foxnews now..re the damned illegals and their day spa.

I look at gaza and I think to myself, what a wonderful world...

Keep shooting guys. Can the last one standing bury the bodies before pissing off to Syria for a well earned bit of R&R in the refugee paradise of the chinless wonder? Thanks and goodbye forever.