So, help me out, here, is Fatah really not Islamic? Are they modernists, or what?

War of the Taqiyyalopes.

I fear that this might endanger the shaky ceasefire between Hamas and Fatah.

Logic Probe,
Fatah are the good Jew-killers.

Hamas are the evil Jew-Killers.

#1

FATAH is ARAFAT'S PLO

more "secular" ostensibly, not ideologically. Supported as "moderate" by the US UN and EU.

Their "armed wing"
is the Al Aqsa Martyr Brigades

No difference to us temporally as far as an enemy is concerned between Hamas and Fatah.

but they do see differences in each other a similar way that sunni-shia do but not quite the same.

Muslim Brotherhood is with Hamas
the Fatah brothers will all be assimilated into Hamas or killed now.

#1: They're all Muslims. Theoretically, once Muslims have killed or subdued every single non-Muslim on earth there will be "peace." In reality, Muslims would then turn on each other and fight over who is the better Muslim. And the better Muslim is he who is the most ruthless killer.

Islam is a nightmare.

I'm confised. On one hand, FATAH is a reversed acronym (hataf) that means "sudden death", or spelled as it is, fatah is the word for the spread of Islam (both as per Wikipedia. Yeah, I know.) On the other hand, aren't these the guys shooting folks for having beards? WTF, over?

Can someone shed a little light, here? TIA!

#6 Fjordman
exactly correct as always.

When is Al-Jazeera going to come out and endorse Ron Paul?

#6 Fjordman

Thanks for the summary. Nice, short, and to the point.

Putschist is a word I was not familiar with.

Putsch is from the German for a 'sudden attempt by a group to overthrow a government.'

Very apt usage. Apparently Fatah owns a thesaurus

#7 Logic Probe

HISTORY
Fatah

Hamas

CURRENT

label hamas

label fatah

#7 confised=confused PIMF

#4,5,6

Thanks, just another Muslim power struggle, I guess. Apparently, feeding live folks into paper shredders is what it takes to maintain law and order in Muslim countries. Or, cutting of body parts, stoning, etc. If Mark Twain were alive to see this stuff, I'll bet he'd take back those nasty things about the French and the Comanches. Geez.

#13 Logic Probe
Never look for logic in Islam.
There is none!

He said the popular international broadcaster has given wide coverage to “isolated acts” committed by Fatah loyalists against Hamas in the West Bank and “marginal” coverage “to the atrocious crimes committed in the Gaza Strip.”

Welcome to media bias, Yasser. You have underestimated Hamas' power and popularity. There are a few in the Bush Administration who can empathize.

It's not so much that I disapprove of Muslim on Muslim massacres, it's their incessant whining that I can do without.

And, Happy Father's Day to all Lizards on the XY end of the pool.

...and a special good afternoon to {Babba} my favorite LGF DJ

They’re both LEFT arms of the Muslim Brotherhood

/and we know what the left hand does

I don't understand something here. The quote reads in part, "encouraging the putschists’ crimes...". But how can Hamas be attempting to overthrow a government when they are the elected leaders? Aren't they the elected government?

Since I don't understand the government there I expect some a clear explanation. But I just don't get it. I'm so confused.

Thanks.

At least AFP is telling this side of the story even if the AFP doesn't explain the connection between Al Jazeera and Hamas. Maybe some of the readers will figure it out.

Making things a bit murkier...

FATAH is an older branch of the Moslem Brotherhood.

Hamas is a newer branch of the Moslem Brotherhood.

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

"Its early years remain murky, because it chose to function in a clandestine fashion. What is known is that in the mid-50s, Yasser Arafat went to Kuwait, where he organized some 20 Palestinians. For this, he drew on the membership of the Union of Palestinian Students, which had been organized by Arafat and his coterie at Cairo University in 1952; the union was affiliated with the radical Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, then in its heyday. One of the cofounders of the group, with Arafat from the beginning, was Mahmoud Abbas, today President of the Palestinian Authority. At first Fatah’s main activities consisted of recruitment and the publishing of a highly politicized magazine called Our Palestine; the first edition appeared in 1959."

BORROWING,
R

#16 "And, Happy Father's Day to all Lizards on the XY end of the pool."

Thanks! It's been a good one; the kid next door gave me a card thanking me for being the father he doesn't have. That felt pretty good.

#18 uncleFuzzy

One political party trying to eradicate another political party. Its the Palestinian form of democracy.

Day by day I think we come closer to the point where our bomber fleet is going to have to be increased.

#16 {brickthruplateglasswindow}

#20 Render
And we are back at Fjordman's #6.

Good link thanks.

BBL

HAPPY FATHER's DAY
righteous Daddy-o's of Lizardia

#21 Logic Probe

Thanks! It's been a good one; the kid next door gave me a card thanking me for being the father he doesn't have. That felt pretty good.

That's gotta' make you feel like a hero. :)

Some people take Counter-Strike a little too seriously...

[Link: uploaded.fresh.co.il...]

Funny thing.

I must have missed when " Yasser Abed Rabbo, secretary general of the executive committee of the Palestine Liberation Organisation ", was up in arms about the way the Israeli's were portrayed in the Lebanon War last summer.

I'm still looking for his outrage during that conflict.... still looking.... (crickets)

Shoe ? Meet other foot.

#17 Shug 6/17/2007

They’re both LEFT arms of the Muslim Brotherhood

/and we know what the left hand does

AHHAHHAHHA

ROTFF!

gotta go
see you all later

I wonder what the Palestinian kids give their dads on fathers day? Instead of a tie a new ski mask maybe?

The Muslim Brotherhood is also hard at work converting US prison inmates to Islam.

In Australia, too.

18 uncle fuzzy

Hamas won elections in the Palestinian Legislative Council. Abbas is the president and leader of the executive branch. Its "Congress vs Whitehouse" with two different political parties involved. Each in-turn has a political face and a militant wing.

Is it just me? Or does it look like a major battle in the greater war on terror is on the horizon?

It appears to me that Israel is being backed into a corner in a manner of speaking. That Iran is slowing moving pieces on the board to advance the destruction of Israel.

And backing a badger into a corner never turns out good.

Hamas proves as adept as Fatah. It seems reporter Johnson now threatened with death if kidnapper demands not met,
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The main disagreement between Fatah and Hamas is that Fatah wants to destroy Israel in stages, one piece at a time. Whereas Hamas wants to destroy Israel now, all at once.

Otherwise, they are the same thing...

GENOCIDAL
TERRORISTS,
R

#fjord

In reality, Muslims would..... then turn on

Dude.
They didn't get that memo. They jumped ahead to that part.
You might try e-mailing them that part again.
Or duct tape it to a 2,000 bomb.

#33 filet....

Or does it look like a major battle in the greater war on terror is on the horizon?

Come on, give us a break. The west is surrendering as fast as we can.

I think that Jazeera might be siding with Hamas here to pre-emptively look like the sympathetic voice of the Arab world when Israel starts wiping up the floor with Hamas' ass here in the next couple of weeks. Just a theory.

OT - Katyusha Rockets Slam into Kiryat Shmonah, from Lebanon.
UNIFIL: Rocket Fire is Severe Breach of Ceasefire

"The question of response is a complex one," an IDF source told Ynet. "We must remember that the Lebanese Army is carrying out activity in the area and doing it well. There are international forces in place and we have no interest in seeing them leave."

So wtf is this going to be, another replay of the attacks on Sderot, ad nauseum?

sort of like the difference between trotkeyietes and stalinists they both hate each other but to us there all a bunch of commies.

fatah and hamas have there differences esp what they might say in english hamas says in english they want to destroy israel and make a islmist state. fatah only says it in arabic.

the state dept. and saddly the POTUS wants to look through rose colored glasses and see moderates when there really aren't any. Any real pali moderates have long moved out.

MESSAGE TO PRESIDENT BUSH MOVE THE EMBASSY TO ISRAEL'S CAPITAL JERUSALEM.

I'd like to thank all those posting links for the history lessons. They are much appreciated.
It's getting a bit difficult for me to sort through the junk and figure out who is what to who.

I'd also like to add my "Happy Father's Day" to all those already posted.

#37 hous bin pharteen

The west is surrendering as fast as we can.

You can back a badger into a corner with a broom, but if you hit him when he is the corner, he is coming out and there is nothing you can do about it.

I hope you are wrong.

No more beans for you.

Katyusha Rockets Slam into Kiryat Shmonah,

SHIT

glad I checked back in here one more time...

Kiryat Shmonah is the town my cousin lives in.

BBL

If can get in touch with him and find anything out from him I will post it here. he is also a policeman but not in his own town there.

#39 mjazzguitar

I wonder....Israel doesn't have to respond by striking back at where the missiles came in from do they? Couldn't they simply respond by air strikes on the home, car and HQ of Hezbollah's Nasralla in Lebanon and also an air strike on the Head Honcho of Hezbollah up in Syria?

That would send a signal, yes?

Babba, your comments are down.

#43 BabbaZee

Please let us know if your cousin is OK. He will be in my prayers.

#6 Fjordman
Zola Levitt once reprinted a cartoon that had two muzlims in space standing on a smoldering rock that once was the earth. The first muzlim says "We have finally eliminated all the infidels." & the second one blows him away saying, "You never can be too sure."

on some issues i agree with the POTUS but on others he is just as wrong as the donks.

The Strangest Thing You Will Ever Read. Episcopal priest also a Muslim.

[Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com...]

This put that AP nonsense to shame. Seattle trying to out Moonbat Minneapolis.

What the media won’t tell you about this story: it isn’t surprising that Al Jazeera supports Hamas. They’re both arms of the Muslim Brotherhood—Hamas is one of the military wings, Al Jazeera one of the media wings—and they have the same goals: the destruction of Israel and the Islamization of the region.

And that cair (unindicted co-conspirator in a hamas funding case) is the victimization wing.

#49 pat

As a proud resident of Minneapolis, I have to plead with you not to refer to us as "Moonbat Minneapolis" !

Now, granted, Al Franken is actually a viable potential winner of the U.S. Senate seat next year here, and yes, we did elect the first Muslim to Congress and yes, we did have a Muslim Brotherhood convention here on Memorial Day and I'll give you the fact that we sell more rolls of Reynolds Aluminum Wrap per capita than anywhere in the Country but.....

..ummm....err.....anyway, .....nevermind

: )

This might be blind firing, but I am really hoping that instead Israel has figured out an effectivemethod of counter-battery fire at Katusha launches.

#44 ornery elephant
Could you picture the headlines though?

#49 pat

Seems like someone who just wanted to get attention. She's in over her head now though.

She can't be Christian if she doesn't believe in the Divinity of Jesus.

She can't be Muslim if she says an Episcopalian mass and consecrates the Eucharist (thus affirming her belief in the Divinity of Jesus).

Most Muslims would probably see her as an apostate either way.

#53 mjazzguitar

I would have to say i'm at the point where I think we have to make a decision. Do we care about what headline is written at the U.K.'s Telegraph or do we care more about an entire first and second aisles at WalMart being devoted to Prayer Mats and Burqas!

This is what I'd really like to see:

Fred Thompson: I got your headline right here!

Trying to read the future is a fool's game.

Hamas is limited in scope, because there are civilians, too, worth considering. And, the arabs are smart enough to know that the ham-ass'ers are goons. So they bow to the goons on the street. And, fart in their general direction when they turn their backs.

Abbas, also, just sits on bank accounts.

Terrorists are not real armies. They are LOOTERS. Just like the kind we got when the rodney king riots brought them out into the streets.

Wars? Nope. I'm not convinced.

I think the media roils this stuff up the way Shakespeare used witches. To stir the plot.

As to Mr. Politics, as Olmert is referred to at home. He's elected. And, in charge of keeping himself in his seat. Till more elections are called.

He's got enemies within. And, he really doesn't like other men with charisma. Or he'd have found a way to contact Bibi. And, give Shaul Mofaz a turn at the Defense portfolio.

Barak's win was slim. And, the turnout for labor disgustingly poor. Barak knows that!

And, the journalists were playing up deals. Sure, if Ayalon won. But he didn't. His numbers fell short.

And, what Barak and Olmert just did was PUSH AMIR PERETZ FROM HIS OFFICE PERCH. Given how unpopular, and incompetent, Peretz actually was ... it shows ya "driving force" and Israeli politics are not on the same page.

But Amir Peretz just did get kicked in the pants.

As to gazoo? I believe that hamas has yet to "win hearts and minds." And, that leads to all sorts of possibilities, ahead. (Just like when the Pope allowed Martin Luther to win "time." So that the Catholic Church took the blow. And, Luther started a wave of Protestant churches to grow. And, blossom. A thousand, at least, points of light.)

If I had to guess? I think there are people in gazoo who pay lip service to ham-ass. But their hearts are not in it.

Which is always the first step.

Sure. We don't fight anymore, like we did in WW2. When WW2 was over we slew two beasts. Japan's. and Germany's. (While we sat on our hands over Stalin.)

Today, in looking back, you can see that what Stalin did created so much poison, that you couldn't get the russians admired in Poland, anymore. Or in many of the other Eastern European capitols, anymore.

You just need patience.

If I had to guess? Barak now is fixated on BIBI. He wants to remove Bibi's thrust.

While Olmert has found a way to keep Bibi off-stage.

Again. It's a soap opera.

Don't expect to see no war, ahead. Other than what we're doing in Irak.

Well? Barak's forte by the way is clandestine stuff. Where it comes out of the shadows. He's not a tank man, like Arik Sharon. And, Halutz and his crew are also gone.

Though Arik Sharon said that Israeli politics were a merry go round. So circular, you just hang on, and you never have to get off. Circles round.

How to blame the Jooosss? Come on there has to be a CIA, America, Zionist plot behind it all. Reporters don't have biases. Good thing they, Al Jazeera got that deal in Canada.
/reporting from Gaza, Dan Ali Babba Bather

#51 ornery elephant
And you forgot the Flying Imams across the river, but close enough. But I concede. Seattle topped you. LOL

Meet the Pali ski team.

Interestingly enough over at Liveleak they've added a new feature so you can see where comments and videos are posted from -- the bulk of the jihadist comments and vids are coming from Toronto and London.

#49 pat

Is it possible to cut off your own head?

1967: Summer of LOVE.

2007: Summer of EVOL.

(Summer's here and the time is right for fighting in the street, boy)

#51

Oh, ornery elephant, how could you!

How's about: not unless the last good guy is not left standing....?

:)

#63 Ma Sands

Ma, I'm not giving up! I'm still standing and fighting!

I got my 'Pawlenty is God' bumper sticker on and another one that says " Islam = Religion of Porn "

#43 BabbaZee

If can get in touch with him and find anything out from him I will post it here. he is also a policeman but not in his own town there.

Good! I'm all eyes, and ears!

Which brings to mind, an idea: wouldn't it be something, if all the posters here on lgf, who have relatives there, could do the same.....so that we'd have as good a runnning list & commentary from over there as Israellycool....?! --maybe even better.... :)

#64 ornery elephant

Ah. :) Gotcha. Thanks.

#55 ornery elephant
In the real world the response you suggest is what most of us would like to see. What I was suggesting by headlines is what the world reaction would be. There are so many considerations that Israel has to take into account. Once they were going to sell some Phalcons to China but the US of A nixed it, for one example.
It's funny how you say one thing and in the very next comment Carol says the opposite.

Just another two heads of the hydra, called islam. Slice them off and cauterize the stump lest they grow four more to replace them.

#68 Mark Roth
Yeah but, the Qassam Brigades is the military wing of Hamas. So how can Hamas be the military wing of The Muszlim BotherHood? I'd like to see a diagram of Izlam's mythical beasts. I was going to draw a picture of a scorpion labeled hamas with the sting labeled Qassam Brigades as it's military wing, however I see that it's not that simple.

69 perplexed
A hydra is probably the best place to start.

You want diagrams?

[Link: www.tkb.org...]

ALL
THERE,
R

As to the Fatah v. Hamas v. Israel confusion:

Fatah was Arafat's "Army" (the Al Aqsa Brigade, the armed wing of the PLO). But remember that Arafat was a very charismatic man. An evil man, the Father of hijacking and terror, but he had that charisma that people followed. Abbas is no where near that. In fact, Arafat robbed his people blind through his corruption, stole the billions of dollars given to him in aid by the UN, but we hear very little of it in the press. Now Abbas is in power and he's blamed for the corruption? Arafat's same corruption that the people turned a blind eye to. Why? Because Abbas was/is no Arafat and could never win the hearts of his people. That he is no Arafat, btw, is a good thing.

Hamas has always been the enemy of Arafat. In those days, they were fewer in number and more of an underground influence. They gained power via Syria, Hizbollah and Iran during different time periods (more recently via Egypt). If I'm not mistaken, I also believe some of the Fatah army became disenfranchised by what they saw as "pussyfooting" around by Arafat and joined with Hamas. Meaning that Arafat went through the motions of the negotiations with Israel and the U.S. at various times which pissed them off, but never ever meant to commit to anything in the first place.

Also remember that Hamas has been considered a "social service" group, which I find absolutely horrifying. But they have often stepped up to take care of each other while Arafat, and then Abbas were looting all of their money. This is mostly how they gained favor with the population.

And even though each group feels the same way about Israel, each have changed much since Arafat's death. As much as I feel Hamas has become that much more violent, Fatah has become more moderate. And what does that really mean? Only to say that Hamas on either side of Israel would be 10x more dangerous than what we have today.

The truth is, if you ask Israelis who they would rather battle, it would Fatah.

I just hope they all keep eating each other for a while, to give us time to build up more truth-about-islam thinking.

Thanos #52 -

I don't believe that report you linked. Israel wouldn't fire back instantly as reported in that Lebanese site. And it seems they've decided to wait so as not to hit UNIFIL or Lebanese forces. Or so they say.

I believe the Israeli sources over that Lebanese one.

As the sectarian mayhem and murder rages in Palioland barely interrupted by peace and tranquility during Israeli control of Gazaland 1967 to the recent disengagement--the PLO now degraded to governance by academics and neophites is now playing the tune of cooperation with the U.S. and Israel to fund their new beginning in Samaria and Judia-- which will never become a Palestinian State due to internal bickering sabotage and endless tribal warfare a constant since the dawn of Islam --the only stability in the entire region has been the birth of Israel where the Arabs have a higher standard of living good health care and an abundance of work and food and a democratically elected governance directed by the rule of civil law.

I love watching evil fighting against evil, to see them as they eat their own.

Never kill someone who is in the process of committing suicide.

Now this is cute, I assume the UNSC and UNGA will shortly announce their condemnations:

Also Sunday, Masked gunmen in Gaza City set fire to the Latin Church and went on a rampage inside the Rosary Sisters School on Sunday.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

#42 filet..

I hope you are wrong.

So do I, so do I.
1/8 of the country would be happy if the USA became the Peoples Republic of the United States.
Another 1/8 would also be okay with that as long as the government sent them a check every month.
1/2 the country is doing their best to pretend there is no war and the news should stop talking about it.
Then 1/4 knows and realizes what we are up against.

Out of that 1/4 only a small percent is doing the fighting.

You would think after 3,000 of us were incinerated in the capital of the free world things would not be this screwed up.

#30 NinoBrown79:

"I wonder what the Palestinian kids give their dads on fathers day? Instead of a tie a new ski mask maybe?"

You forget, the best possible gift a Palestinian kid can give his doting father is blowing himself up to kill Jews as this gives the father a) an express pass to the heaven of endless sex when he dies safe in his bed of old age and b) fame and often a significant monetary reward on earth, from Arafat and Saddam Hussein in the past, presumably from the West's donations to the Palestinian cause now.

Welcome to the club - the "moderate" terrorists can't even get a fair shake in the media anymore!

I have a solution boys, to your hamas/fartah problem. See, it goes like this:

Hamas starts shooting Fartah members, then Fatah members start shooting at hamas members and continue this until there is a winner. The loser should have no members left because they have all been killed/murdered and there should be only one person on the winners side still alive.

It's a good plan. Go for it.