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Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 8:15:48 am PDT

Hamas terrorist or op-ed contributor to the New York Times?

Ahmed Yousef is both!

The newspaper that never seems to hit bottom shills for a murderous, genocidal terrorist group with fresh blood on its hands: What Hamas Wants.

Sadly, it became apparent that not all officials from Fatah were negotiating in good faith. There were attempts on Mr. Haniya’s life last week, and eventually we were forced into trying to take control of a very dangerous situation in order to provide political stability and establish law and order.

The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time. We have begun disarming some of the drug dealers and the armed gangs and we hope to restore a sense of security and safety to the citizens of Gaza. We want to get children back to school, get basic services functioning again, and provide long-term economic gains for our people.

I would say, “Shame on the New York Times.” But what’s the point?

UPDATE at 6/20/07 8:37:58 am:

Here’s New York Times op-ed contributor Ahmed Yousef in an appearance on Hizballah’s Al-Manar TV, explaining to the audience that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks—just like the US was behind Pearl Harbor.

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(Hat tip: Terp Mole.)

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:16:39am
2 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:17:19am
The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time.

All the lies that are fit to print.

3 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:17:40am
From the day Hamas won the general elections in 2006 it offered Fatah the chance of joining forces and forming a unity government. It tried to engage the international community to explain its platform for peace.

Heh.

4 MJ  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:18:28am

"The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time".


That's what happens when you kill everyone.

5 TalkinKamel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:19:35am

What does Hamas want? Hamas wants to kill people, whether Jews, fellow Palestinians or anybody else unfortunate enough to get in their way.

Next question, please. . .

6 mojo9  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:19:45am

"We want to get children back to school (so they can learn how to hate more deeply), get basic services functioning again (like building rockets and suicide belts), and provide long-term economic gains for our people (good luck with that)." jeez.

7 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:20:02am

What Hamas Wants?

We already know what Hamas wants. We're not interested.

8 theheat  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:21:10am
The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time.

Damn, I liked it better when they were wiping each other out. They lack dedication.

9 EC Marm  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:21:39am

Aside from the occasional rocket propelled grenade attack on some ruler wielding nuns all is peaceful as we bring shari'a to everyone.

10 jcm  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:22:04am
The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time.


Yeah, when everyone is hiding in there homes in terror, it might be called "calm."

We have begun disarming some of the drug dealers and the armed gangs and we hope to restore a sense of security and safety to the citizens of Gaza.


Disarming them is easy after you've gunned them down and drug the body down the street.

NYTimes is not fit for cage liner or fish wrap.

11 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:22:06am

Ahmed Yousef is both!

I'm not just a terrorist, I took over the country !

12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:22:17am
The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time. We have begun disarming some of the drug dealers and the armed gangs and we hope to restore a sense of security and safety to the citizens of Gaza. We want to get children back to school, get basic services functioning again, and provide long-term economic gains for our people.

We also promise to make sure the trains run on time and that all undesirables will be taken to relocation camps.

13 Judith  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:22:19am

"The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time". And now we can begin our real work, veiling women, closing down schools and educational institutes that edicate women, painting the windows so women can not be seen, and preventing women from getting medical care, and allowing 9 year old girls to be married off to middle aged men as second third and fourth wives, as well as reinstituting the sharia law based custom of "temporary marriages" right after we kill all the Christians or force them to convert to Islam, of course. And we will also outlaw barbers, kite flying, cut off the hands of musicians, and stone dessenters or immoral women.

14 rabidsquirrel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:22:59am
From the day Hamas won the general elections in 2006 it offered Fatah the chance of joining forces and forming a unity government.

It's so sad when two factions united by a unwaivering bloodthirsty desire to exterminate Jews just can't quite get along. So sad.

/sarcasm meter pegged

15 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:23:21am

Meanwhile, Gazans continue looting the Erez crossing...
Yahoo pic

Palestinians dismantle the terminal at Erez Crossing, in the northern Gaza Strip, Wednesday, June 20, 2007 About 200 Gazans, petrified by the chaos in the Hamas-controlled coastal strip, have been camped out for six days in a tunnel reeking of trash, urine and sweat on the Palestinian side of the Erez crossing with Israel, pleading with Israeli authorities to grant them safe passage to the West Bank. Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak ordered the army on Wednesday to allow into Israel any of the hundreds of Gazans holed up at the fetid crossing who might desperately need medical care.

also see: this and that.

16 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:23:58am
From the day Hamas won the general elections in 2006 it offered Fatah the chance of joining forces and forming a unity government. It tried to engage the international community to explain its platform for peace. It has consistently offered a 10-year cease-fire with the Israelis to try to create an atmosphere of calm in which we resolve our differences. Hamas even adhered to a unilateral cease-fire for 18 months in an effort to normalize the situation on the ground. None of these points appear to have been recognized in the press coverage of the last few days.

Nor has it been evident to many people in the West that the civil unrest in Gaza and the West Bank has been precipitated by the American and Israeli policy of arming elements of the Fatah opposition who want to attack Hamas and force us from office. For 18 months we have tried to find ways to coexist with Fatah, entering into a unity government, even conceding key positions in the cabinet to their and international demands, negotiating up until the last moment to try to provide security for all of our people on the streets of Gaza.

Poor hamas. They're just misunderstood!

/And Evil is the victim of Good

17 Mike DeGuzman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:24:04am

"The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time".

Either the people are too scared to come out of their homes or they are fleeing from Gaza to Israel or Egypt to get to the West Bank!

18 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:24:24am

NYTIMES sez:
Ahmed Yousef is the political adviser to Ismail Haniya, who became the Palestinian prime minister last year.

US GOVT: He's a terrorist.
ABU HALABIYYE, Ahmad Yousef, Gaza City, Gaza, Palestinian; DOB 1952
(individual) [NS-PLC]

19 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:24:41am

The next NYT Op ed will be from Sir Ossama bin Laden.

20 songbird  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:24:55am

Ralph Peters wrote a great article about Hamas. It is quite insightful.

I made my own comments here:

Fanaticism Trumps Numbers and Wins

21 grayp  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:25:00am

OT OT OT

Fox is reporting that United Airlines has suffered a massive, system-wide computer failure. All flights cancelled.

I blame Bush. Or the Jews. Or both.

22 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:25:16am

Anyone catch theri puff piece on the 'glorious' Kingdom of Kush, yesterday?

A petty ancient slave society made out to be some grand culture, only because the people may have been black.

Their agenda must be getting more obvious to their wider readership, I would think . . .

23 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:25:17am
Sadly, it became apparent that not all officials from Fatah were negotiating in good faith. There were attempts on Mr. Haniya’s life last week, and eventually we were forced into trying to take control of a very dangerous situation in order to throw people from high buildings, provide bullets into the backs of heads and establish law and order.

Now that this has been accomplished we can get back to the business of killing the jewish people.

24 davesax  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:25:30am

Check out Steve Erlanger's "report" that is actually a multimedia PR presentation for Hamas.

Vomit inducing...

25 Terp Mole  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:25:31am

Ahmed Yousef's dossier: In a December 2004 interview with the Hezbollah television station Al-Manar, Yousef explained how Zionists must have been behind 9/11:

"Israel excels at espionage within the U.S., and is capable of disguising many operations as Islamic. In other words, Israel is capable of penetrating certain Islamic circles, of directing and running them behind the scenes, so that they will conduct operations from which Israel benefits. Anyone who considers the events of 9/11 cannot say that the Muslims gained anything. ... No one could have captured the pictures [of the attacks] so perfectly except for the cameras in the hands of several Mossad agents, who were near the scene of events and succeeded in filming the scene so that it will always serve Zionism to remind the world of the Arabs' and Muslims' crimes against America. ... Today, there is much evidence casting doubt on the ability of these Muslims, with their meager means, to carry out such an operation, and there are others … Who profited from this operation more than the Zionist movement? Since the end of the Cold War, Israel has been trying to attain a position that would allow it to direct American policy ..."

Definitely NYSlimes grade.

26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:27:07am

#18 NoSubmission

But is he a good terrorist or a bad terrorist?

/State Dept

27 MJ  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:27:10am

Of course it's not a coincidence that this piece appears less than one day after Jimmy Carter voiced his support for Hamas.

28 friarstale  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:27:22am
We want to get (male - ed) children back to school

fixed that

29 godfrey  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:28:20am

Would the NYT print even Hitler's early spews on the grounds that he's a "marginalized voice that deserves at least to be heard"? Because I'm betting there's some nitwit editor at the NYT who actually thinks (sic) that Hamas gets no break these days, especially from those fascists at Fox, so let's give this guy a fair hearing.

Does the NYT really bend over that far and stick its ass that high in the air just to get a story? If so, they're an absolute disgrace to the profession.

Hamas is openly genocidal. It's in their charter. Period.

30 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:28:33am

Hamastan facing food shortage

Take a wild guess at who's going to get blamed for this.

31 alteredbeat  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:31:20am

but we also want to shoot peace protesters, throw rivals off of buildings, savagely beat a rival until is head is mush and continue kicking his corpse mob style, loot business, and blow up buildings.

32 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:31:21am
We want to get children back to school, get basic services functioning back to killing Jews again, and provide long-term economic gains for our people.
33 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:32:30am

I look forward to future NYT opinon pieces by spokespeople for:

Al Qaeda
The Aryan Brotherhood
The Muslim Brotherhood
KKK
North Korea
Janjaweed Militia
Khmer Rouge
Ritualistic Infant Murderers of North America (RIMNA)

(okay, I made that last one up)

34 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:33:18am
The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time.

He lies. They may have run fatah off, but there is still islamic jihad and al-qaeda in gaza running loose. Gaza is like a steel cage death match to see who's allah is better.

35 jehu  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:35:09am

We want to get children back to school, get basic services functioning again, and provide long-term economic gains for our people. To get women into burlap bags, kill Christians, and any Jews that are crazy enough to come here. We will also be willing to receive fellatio from all NYT reporters, as long as they pay the customary price of ass worship and blind adoration

36 modnar  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:35:14am

Calm streets in Gaza? I guess gunfire, public executions and people fleeing to Israel is considered calm.

37 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:35:38am

Israelis hit Gaza

The first of many installments, no doubt.

38 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:35:49am

Terrorism and Financial Intelligence

[Link: www.treasury.gov...]

their archives are interesting too...

[Link: www.treasury.gov...]

39 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:36:25am

The Times sided with Stalin too. At least they are consistant.

40 Jehu  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:37:50am

Ritualistic Infant Murderers of North America (RIMNA) = Planned Parenthood

/couldn't resist

41 Silhouette  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:37:50am

Schools, basic services, economy.

Yes, must get Murder Mouse back on TV,

start spending that money on weapons that was earmarked for sewer upgrades,

and destroy any remaining multi-million dollar greenhouses that were purchased for our benefit.

42 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:38:38am

Has Gaza been stripped yet?

43 Bubbaman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:39:00am

Ah, the streets are quiet, the children are back in school and the Joos pies are in the oven. The NYSlimes wrote such things about Hitler in the 1930's Do we expect anything different today?

44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:39:18am

#30 JammieWearingFool

Hamastan facing food shortage

Damn. If only they had some greenhouses or something to grow food in.

45 grayp  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:39:49am

Picked this up at Tim Blair's place.

Seymour Hersh is getting his stuff from Robert Fisk.

Sharp-eyed reporters in Beirut read the article in astonishment. Siniora, of the Lebanese Sunni establishment, was assisting allies of Al-Qaida who had split off from a pro-Syrian organization? And the United States was aware of this and might even be planning it, in order to strike at Hezbollah? And all this was in the context of aid to the Sunni forces in the Middle East in their conflict with Shi'ites backed, according to Hersh, by Iran? A world turned on its head. How could it be?

But it was published in The New Yorker, a magazine known for its meticulous fact-checking. The Lebanese reporters began investigating the story on their own.

Hersh said he heard the story from Robert Fisk,

46 OLDPUPPYMAX  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:41:15am

Maybe it's fortunate that the left is incapable of shame. Where else could the rest of us get this sort of entertainment for free?

47 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:41:24am

Hamastan facing food shortage

Eat the giant mice!

48 Terp Mole  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:42:25am
Hat tip: Terp Mole

Sweet!

49 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:43:51am

Da JOOOS were the only winners on 9/11!

/you know you wanted to say it

50 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:44:03am

Now this is what I call blogging.

51 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:46:13am

hahahahahahaha Hamas is our ally in the "war on drugs"

hahahahaahahahah

Lord help me, but GW Bush might be dumb enough to believe it. I know San Fran Nan is, and obviously Baghdad Jim McDermott and Rep. Moran the moron are.

52 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:46:46am

So, the Paper of Record's editorial page has no problem putting a Hamas shill on its page. This guy ignores the fact that Hamas also tried to assassinate Fatah's Abbas. That goes down the rabbit hole, but Fatah thugs trying to eliminate Haniyeh is proof that Hamas is in the right? Of course, since this is the op-ed page, facts, logic and reasoning are ignored.

Gotcha.

What a load of hooey.

BTW, I've got my daily roundup on the situation in the territories.

53 JamesTKirk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:46:52am
The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time. We have begun disarming some of the drug dealers and the armed gangs and we hope to restore a sense of security and safety to the citizens of Gaza. We want to get children back to school, get basic services functioning again, and provide long-term economic gains for our people.

And I'm sure that "all of the trains would be running on time" ... if only the savages actually had any trains.

54 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:48:19am

OT


Is America screwed?


New Gallup Poll shows every probably Democrat candidate beating every probable Republican candidate.


Interestingly enough, The Silky Pony, John Edwards, does better than Hussein Obama or the neo-Stalinist in a pantsuit, maybe because with the $400 per hair cut good looks, he seems less extreme than the other two quasi-Marxists.

55 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:48:25am

44 Kragar LOL let them eat greenhouse beams. That seems to be the only thing they haven't destroyed yet.

56 easy  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:48:38am

More Gaza multiculturalism
Ethel C. Fenig

"I expect our Christian neighbors to understand the new Hamas rule means real changes. They must be ready for Islamic rule if they want to live in peace in Gaza," said Sheik Abu Saqer, leader of Jihadia Salafiya, an Islamic outreach movement that recently announced the opening of a "military wing" to enforce Muslim law in Gaza.

57 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:49:35am
Any further attempts to marginalize us, starve our people into submission or attack us militarily will prove that the United States and Israeli governments are not genuinely interested in seeing an end to the violence. We won't do that.

We'll just arm both sides, seal the borders, and stand back.

58 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:50:40am

Can you even imagine the e-mail correspondence between the New York Times and the terrorist?

Ahmed Yousef:
Hello, my pretty New York Times dhimmis...I have an op-ed that I would like to pitch to you.

NYT: AHMED..good to hear from you. What's up? How can we help-and by the way-way to go on the liberating of Palestine from those cretin Fatah 'men'.

Yousef: The people of the Islamic Republic of Palestine in Gaza thank you for all of your support through the years-now can we get back to my op-ed before I order someone to blow your shitty little infidel head off?

NYT: Of course, Ahmed, of course-we digresss...you name it.

59 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:51:08am

54 Ed No, we aren't screwed if the GOP nominee is willing to run AGAINST Bush. If it's Romney, who is the Bush family fave, yes I think we can look forward to Madame President Hillary.

60 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:51:25am

#42 peacekeeper:

Here's an idea of how bad the situation is in Gaza.

A guy was spending hours with a hammer to break through a foot of concrete to strip Erez junction of copper wire so that he could sell it for $2.50 per kilo. A day's work might give him enough for $10.

There's nothing to loot.

There's nothing of value in Gaza. This is what Hamas and Fatah have wrought, and gives you some insight into how and why the Palestinians went hog wild on Arafat's villa. When you've been deprived of practically everything, despite the hundreds of millions in aid sent to the "Palestinians" you wonder where the money goes. Well, thanks to the sticky fingered kleptocrats in Fatah, Hamas, and the PA in general, it never reaches the Palestinians themselves.

That's why the claims by the US, Israel and others that the aid is again flowing is meaningless - the only ones who will benefit are Fatah's kleptocrats, not anyone else.

61 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:52:47am

Oh, cry me a river, you bloothirsty, lying sack of maggot-infested monkey crap!

We all know what Hamas wants, so get this through your thick skull into that filth-ridden puddle of mush you call a brain, Mister Yousef:

WE. DON'T. WANT. TO. GIVE. HAMAS. WHAT. THEY. WANT!

Cepiche?

62 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:53:20am

#60 lawhawk

There's lots of sand. Let them make glass. And there's lots of hate...not much else.

63 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:53:22am
64 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:53:41am

57 If you parasites would decide to grow your own damn food and make your own damn consumer goods nobody would be able to "starve you out."

Interesting how stopping the international welfare payments become equal to starving them out.

65 macofromoc  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:53:53am

He forgot to mention anything about Global Warming.

Hamas vows to fight Global Warming

66 Mike C.  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:53:57am

I just noticed that Digg no longer has it's own special link here.

67 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:54:10am

#61 R.S

Oh, cry me a river, you bloothirsty, lying sack of maggot-infested monkey crap!

Oh, come on...tell us how you really feel.

68 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:54:13am

Hawk
I agree with you 100%. At least they got to see, however briefly, how their masters were living.

I wonder if Arafat's peace prize has been melted down yet?

69 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:54:38am

Islam is not mentioned.

70 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:55:05am
71 jonturner  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:55:10am

I suppose this shoots the whole "there is no left-wing bias in media" argument to Hell.

The NYT editors obviously have no shame, and these "journalists" are anything but -- they are lazy mouthpieces for those with a shared worldview. Hence, this evil garbage.
I really despise these damnable cowards! They are so far distanced from reality that they no longer understand what freedom is.

I have no doubt today's useful idiots would present Leni Riefenstahl with an Academy Award and a Palme d'Or for Speaking Truth To Power or some other such nonsense. They'll join her in hell someday.

72 Mike C.  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:55:11am

Oops - never mind. That apparently pops up if used.

73 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:57:03am
That apparently pops up if used.

Yep, that's the way they were designed.

74 Mark Roth[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:57:26am
75 zmdavid  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:57:35am
#65 macofromoc 6/20/2007 8:53:53 am PDT

He forgot to mention anything about Global Warming.

Hamas vows to fight Global Warming

Their flag is Green.

76 Mike C.  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:57:50am

Never mind - Part II. It's only visible iy you open the comments.

Boy, I'm slow today.

77 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:58:01am
There's nothing of value in Gaza.

Nonsense! What about all the weapons?

78 Ma Sands  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:58:06am
...the US was behind Pearl Harbor...

Oh, my! I never heard that one before! --now, what my father always said, makes sense...that he didn't believe in conspiracy theories-- I could never figure out from whence he got his firm belief...since he was drawn into fighting in WWII after that incident, I can see how he would say such a thing --I nearly "went off" at a newbee last night, thinking he'd just said the moon landings were a spoof...he wasn't serious; he was teasing...but I recognized the love in myself of that moon landing era...and today can see where my Dad was coming from --thanks, Charles.

79 Sharmuta  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:58:11am
These very pictures [of the 9/11 attacks- ed] were filmed expertly, so that they would be a constant reminder to America and the Western World that islamic terrorism is a threat.

Funny- I thought that's what the koran was for.

80 jamgarr  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:58:41am

The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time.

It's because they are so very "organized"

81 macofromoc  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:59:06am

#75

I stand corrected

82 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:59:14am

OT:

Gal Gadot speaks out against those who called her posing for Maxim's ad campaign in support of Israel. (Yes, it's a shameless opportunity to post something eminently pleasing to the eye as opposed to the usual ugliness associated with Hamas, Fatah and the terrorist/thug regimes in the region).

83 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:59:44am
84 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 8:59:48am

Hamas made a sacred promise at Mecca to abide by a unity govenrment agreement. They overthrew the agreement by violence; they broke written promises made at what claim in their holiest site.

Fatah was not innocent but Hamas utterly smashed the agreement into the dust.

No one made them do this; it is the product of who they are and who their financial supporters are and who their leaders are and where their leaders are located.

That the NYT is blind to this is who they are.

The NYT is complicit in trying to give these scum a clean bill of health. The only cure for fascism is overthrowing the fascists- peacefully when an "el supremo" dies and by bullets when the party is entrenched.

85 WriterMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:00:13am

Streets get very calm when neighbours are given parachuting lessons from high rise buildings-without the parachutes.

86 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:01:02am
87 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:01:13am
The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time.


[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

88 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:01:18am

NY Times - terrorists... Check!

They are providing aid and comfort to our enemies and the enemies of our Allies...

In earlier days, when the US government had balls and teeth, the editorial board would be led out in chains...

Sadly, we are all Dhimmified now...

89 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:01:21am
90 FriarsTale  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:01:24am

that film clip is priceless

he says Israelis infiltrate and control Islamic terror groups

wow

and Israeli agents got all those swell films of the Twin Towers coming down, because they knew it was gonna happen, and wanted the films for propaganda value

wow

what an imbecile

so I guess those darn Israelis are fooling everybody... except him, of course

91 danger close  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:01:27am

#78 Ma Sands

There are people who believe the moon landings were phony.

Gotta go to the doctor now. Bye.

92 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:01:30am

Howdy al-Reuter's! {waves} Bit crowded in that spiderhole of yours, isn't it? Don't ya'll have some nice fluff articles to write on the Religion of Body Pieces?

And we wonder why US gas prices are $3.00 per gallon or more.

93 victor_yugo  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:02:04am

I'm reminded of Dan Aykroyd's bit:

"It's a floor wax and a dessert topping!"

94 Mark Roth[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:02:17am
95 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:02:48am

Someone above mentioned that there are quite a bit of guns in Gaza. They're not made locally, and there are so many of them, that they are cheaper than ever - $1,400 for an AK-47, as compared to $2,800 a year ago. The arms dealers need to move quite a lot to make the same amount of money, which begs the question of where they find the money when everyone is scrounging for bits and pieces.

Well, of course we know the answer - all that charity money coming in isn't for food, but for arms. Hamas has no problem buying guns and ammo.

96 ctrlL  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:02:57am

OT note:

Reuters
Today: 9
Yesterday: 2

/slow news day ?
//relaxing before Friday's post-prayer riots ?

97 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:03:10am

#82 lawhawk:

You gotta love a cover gal named, well, "Gal".

And there's this:


"Obviously, I don't think it's pornographic, or I wouldn't have done it," said Gadot, 22, who's starting law school in the fall.

Gal, if you're reading this; I am totally available to give you 1L pointers.

98 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:04:52am

#82 Lawhawk


Attractive, and she wasn't so vain and foolish as to get breast implants.

99 Mark Roth[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:05:01am
100 macofromoc  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:05:07am

Ron Paul...


sorry, it's Terrets

101 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:05:09am

Oh, as for the food situation - Hamas claims that the food will run out in 2-4 weeks.

The Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip could start running out of flour, rice, edible oil and other commodities in 2-4 weeks unless Israel reopens the border crossings, the United Nations said Wednesday.

Gaza's crossings with border countries Israel and Egypt, including the Rafah Crossings in the south, the Karni commercial passage in the center and the Erez Crossing in the north, have been closed since late last week when Hamas assumed full control over the Strip after five days of fighting with the rival Fatah party.

Concerned Gazans have been stocking up on essentials, fearing the crossings with remain shut. The World Food Program estimates flour prices have risen 40 percent.

Here's a novel idea. Grow some in greenhouses as opposed to using 'em as rocket launching platforms. Oh wait.

102 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:05:43am

abu-hoo-hoo...

One of those is planned for the New Jersey Complex called Xanadu, which will be located at the Meadowlands Sports Complex...

103 Ma Sands  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:07:17am

#91 danger close

I know. It is so silly. :)

104 David Simon  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:07:36am

Good analysis at the American Thinker: The Hamas strategy at work.

With Gaza now the new terror Grand Central Station, all the radical groups housed there - Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas - are players with agendas. And with Gaza now totally in their hands, the mischief making will be exported. While new Western money from the US, Israel and the EU pours into Abbas and Fatah, destabilization efforts are sure to be directed from Gaza towards the West Bank, Israel, Lebanon, Egypt and Iraq.


Some commentators have suggested that we (the US, Israel, the Europeans) should let Hamas now "stew in its own juices" in Gaza. But this is naive. Hamas, as pointed out by Caroline Glick, is quite purposeful, as are its sponsors, Iran and Syria. It will not self-destruct nor concede power, much as the individual lives of the Palestinians may continue to be miserable or even worsen.


The sudden war initiated by Hamas on Fatah in Gaza was not an accident set off by some tripwire. Hamas saw that Jordan and Egypt were starting a major re-supply of weapons to Fatah in Gaza funded in part by the US. An eventual struggle between the two sides was anticipated. So Hamas, a more determined and much better organized fighting force, though smaller in number than Fatah in Gaza, was able to preemptively strike and quickly destroy its rival in the strip.


Of course, the international community will not allow Palestinians in Gaza to starve, just because Hamas prefers to import weapons rather than food. Food and medicine will be supplied for humanitarian reasons (since Israel left the strip, the Palestinians have done such a good job destroying their economy that in Gaza about 80% of the population depends on food aid from abroad).

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

105 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:08:02am
I have no doubt today's useful idiots would present Leni Riefenstahl with an Academy Award and a Palme d'Or for Speaking Truth To Power or some other such nonsense. They'll join her in hell someday.

QFT

106 Odinist  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:08:08am

#97 Occasional Reader

Gal, if you're reading this; I am totally available to give you 1L pointers.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... And what would the wife say about that?

/

107 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:08:22am

IIRC, Gaza has beaches, and would make an ideal resort community, perhaps with a casino and a theme park, and would attract visitors from Egypt and Israel. Those who didn't work in the tourist industry, could grow the fruits and vegetables ,in greenhouses, that would be served in the restaurants and hotels.

Except, of course, there is no fun in Islam.

108 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:08:33am

NYTIMES IGNORES THE OBVIOUS

Fears in Arab World Following Gaza Coup: Hamas Is Threatening Entire Arab World

The following are excerpts from op-eds critical of Hamas in the Arab press:


Hamas Has Buried the Palestinian Cause and Has Become Its Enemy

In the Egyptian government daily Al-Ahram, columnist Makram Muhammad Ahmad wrote: "Hamas has seized power in Gaza for a while, but it has dealt a death blow to the Palestinian cause, and buried it – God only knows for how long. [By taking over Gaza, it has] isolated the Strip from the West Bank - something Israel has wanted to do for a long time, and now Hamas has handed it [this achievement] on a silver platter.

Iran and Syria Are Behind the Gaza Coup

In an op-ed titled "The Gaza Earthquake," Al-Sharq Al-Awsat editor Tariq Al-Humayd wrote: "The preparedness of the Hamas fighters... proves that while Hamas and its leaders were crying out about lack of funds, Hamas was [actually] amassing arms and ammunition. Someone is providing it with regular funding, and as a result it appeared to be better prepared [for fighting] than the legitimate authorities.

"The source of the funds is obviously Iran. Today, no one has control over Hamas... except Iran, its economic patron, and Syria, where Khaled Mash'al resides. The tangled threads [that pass through] the entire Arab region lead to two countries only – Syria and Iran..."(3)

The Islamic Emirate of Gaza Threatens the Entire Arab World

In his op-ed "The Gaza Earthquake," Tariq Al-Humayd wrote: "What is happening in Gaza, and the emergence of the Hamas's Islamic emirate there, can only be described as an earthquake, and not only for the Palestinians... The impact of this Islamic emirate on our Arab world will not be like that [caused by] the emergence of the Taliban Emirate, [for] it is more dangerous, to the point where it will [threaten] Arab security.

109 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:08:49am

How very sad.

110 Arbalest  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:10:34am

Other quotes from the article of Ahmed Yousef:

"It [Hamas] tried to engage the international community to explain its platform for peace.”

Hamas has made their platform for peace, “Death to Israel”, abundantly clear over the past 10 or so years. What further explanations are necessary?


"It [Hamas] has consistently offered a 10-year cease-fire with the Israelis to try to create an atmosphere of calm in which we resolve our differences.”

But see Mr. Yousef’s later comment:
“We continue to believe that there is still a chance to establish a long-term truce.”

This is negotiation in bad faith; it is actually the Islamic tactic of offering a truce while they build up their strength in order to resume hostilities.


“We reject attempts to . . . pass Hamas off as an extreme and dangerous force.”

How many people did Hamas beat to death, or throw from the tops of buildings? Where were the lists of charges, due process, the trials? Where is / was Amnesty International?


As for Mr. Yousef's claims to desire "provide long-term economic gains" for the Gazans, this is just a desire to resume welfare payments for the first Islamic Easter Island.

The Muslims have consumed everything of value in Gaza, and no longer have the capability to feed themselves, just like the natives on Easter Island before the appearance of Europeans.

This is a microcosm of the entire Middle East and most Muslim lands; the inhabitants over-populate, consume all, then try to emigrate; in Gaza's case, to Israel.


Does the NYT, AP, AFP, Reuters or any other MSM source, cover the current situation on the Gaza-Egyptian border?


Admittedly, Mr. Yousef’s writing appears as an op-ed piece, and therefore should be expected to be biased, but his writings are propaganda, whitewash and revisionism; is this now what the NYT considers “op-ed”.

Are there no big ol’, seegar chompin’, two-fisted, brave editors at the NYT, to say “We’ll publish just about any opinion, as long as it can be logically argued and supported by facts and reasoned arguement, and does not advocate crimes or illegal actions, but this writing by a Hamas mouthpiece is covered with flies and may get us a visit from the Health Department. Do a re-write and resubmit, and we’ll consider printing it.”

111 cygnus  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:10:51am

Just a little OT:

An excellent article here about Jimmah Carter and the Iranian Revolution.

112 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:11:31am

#78 Ma Sands

Silly, everyone knows the Jews were behind Pearl Harbor. The evidence supports it!

113 Odinist  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:12:45am

#107 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Those who didn't work in the tourist industry, could grow the fruits and vegetables...

Unless they learn how to grow assault weapons, I doubt they'd be interested...

114 Canadian Infidel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:12:58am
#90 FriarsTale 6/20/2007 9:01:24 am PDT

that film clip is priceless

he says Israelis infiltrate and control Islamic terror groups

Don't forget. The Jewish victory in the six day war and the following humiliation of the Palestinians is also the reason for his limp dick.

Those Jews. Is there nothing they can't do?

115 Edward Halper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:13:53am

I love this guy's reasoning: Israel benefited the most, so it must have been responsible.

It is akin to what we hear from Muslims: Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore Muslims could not have killed 3,000 people. Next, we are going to hear that because Israel benefits from Palestinian infighting, Israel must be behind it.

This is a simple logical fallacy that any reader of detective novels could expose instantly: the guilty party does not always benefit. Perhaps we should name this the "Islamist fallacy." It should take its place with other fallacies in logic texts.

Sadly a gullible Arab speaking public falls for this reasoning.

The other striking claim in the video is even more stupid: The pictures were too good to have been taken by anyone other than Mossad agents.

This is only going to work for people who have never heard of pocket cameras and video recorders and don't realize that NY is a tourist and the media center. But, hey, why not give it a try and see who falls for this line.

The US has not had a spotless past. The Gulf of Tonkin resolution was based upon governmental misrepresentation. But Pearl Harbor? C'mon Ahmad, you can do better than that.

It all reminds me of the Nazi big lie. Say stupid things often and loudly enough, and eventually they will stick.

116 looking closely  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:14:32am

#112 Kragar

And the sinking of the Titanic. . .

117 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:14:51am
118 softball dad  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:15:26am

Israel hits Gaza after rocket attacks but the huffers want Israel nuked for cheap oil.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...] Bob

119 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:15:26am

I am going to Israel in 5 weeks. I hope you will all send me money which I will turn over to Hamas for their social action projects(man powered flight, a Farfur in every home and a burqua on every woman). Alternatively, I might use your money to buy myself jewelry.

120 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:15:59am

NoSUb

Once again proving that the MSM knows nothing about the subject it comments on and uses to form public opinion.

121 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:17:03am

Juneteenth crowd in Austin kills passenger in car that hit child.

AUSTIN, Texas - A crowd attacked and killed a passenger in a vehicle that had struck and injured a child, police said Wednesday.

Police believe 2,000 to 3,000 people were in the area for a Juneteenth celebration when the attack occurred Tuesday night. The man who was killed had been trying to stop the group from attacking the vehicle's driver when the crowd turned on him, authorities said.

The Austin Police Department identified the victim as David Rivas Morales, 40. The child was taken to a hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

122 Tumulus11  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:17:23am

O/T
. Gazastan Restive.

'Israel fired missiles and sent tanks on a foray into Gaza on Wednesday, killing four Palestinians in the deadliest military action since Hamas militants took control of the coastal strip.
...
Israeli aircraft fired missiles at two rocket launchers in northern Gaza, in the first aerial attack on the strip since Hamas vanquished the rival Fatah of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. No injuries were reported in the strike, which came in retaliation for militant rocket fire on Israel.

Israeli tanks, meanwhile, rolled about 600 yards inside southern Gaza before dawn, and four militants were killed in a gunbattle, Palestinian hospital officials said.'
//AP

123 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:17:35am

101 lawhawk, 107 Ed

Let them eat sand. Or let them eat Saudi donations. NOT ONE MORE AMERICAN DIME

124 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:18:32am

Are any of you planning on writing a Letter to the Editor of the Slimes?

125 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:18:40am

#112 Kragar

Silly, everyone knows the Jews were behind Pearl Harbor. The evidence supports it!

No Jewish lifeguards reported to work in Hawaii on December 7, 1941. Think about it!

126 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:19:08am

I call for no more links to HuffPo and Kos!

I can't resist to look at the comments.

Then I get pissed for a while.

I calm down only after I wash the palestinian blood off my Joo tax conflict diamonds.

127 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:19:28am

Miss Malkin has an excellent roundup of fact checks on Mikey Moore's Sicko...
The Sicko circus comes to D.C.

Everywhere he looks, Moore finds French happiness. But this phrase is as close to an oxymoron as French rock. In a poll, 85 percent of the French recently said their country is heading in the wrong direction. Right direction? Nine percent. In France in 2003, 15,000 mostly elderly hospital patients died in an August heat wave–because hospitals lack air conditioning and doctors were on vacation. The French parliament blamed the health care system. That’s five times 9/11’s toll, all of it preventable, all of it unlamented by Moore.

She also found a very interesting site: FreeMarketCure

128 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:19:49am

121 Mandy Hmmm was it a car with folks just doing the drunk driving that Americans won't do?

It may be a very interesting case.

129 bulwrk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:21:19am

I wonder where he hides the crack pipe?

130 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:21:50am
deadliest military action

Killing four of a Qassam launching unit that just had fired non-laser guided missiles into civilian area with intent to kill/maim civilians.

Wow.

Imagine how they'd describe a pali civil war with dozens executed in front of their families (and journalists) and people getting thrown from windows.

131 jjmckay1216  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:21:55am

WOW! Islamic troofer? unreal.

JJ

132 Mark Roth[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:23:28am
133 apachegunner  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:23:34am

gosh, just goes to show ya that Jimmy Carter was right. We surely are dealing with the wrong people, the Fatah. Why don't we just wipe all of them out, with luck Jimmy would be there polishing shoes huh?

134 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:25:03am
135 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:27:23am
#119 madisonsfriend

I am going to Israel in 5 weeks. I hope you will all send me money which I will turn over to Hamas for their social action projects(man powered flight, a Farfur in every home and a burqua on every woman).

I sure just an oversight on your part - but you failed to provide your PayPal address.

136 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:27:52am

124 tfc3rid

Are any of you planning on writing a Letter to the Editor of the Slimes?

I think Charles should fax a piece over.

137 Odinist  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:28:35am

#133 apachegunner

Because engaging in genocide would make us no better than they are...

And dammit, fix your quote:

YourYou're here only because I let you, this is my reality you've your own.

=)

138 apachegunner  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:29:29am

gosh, I will fix that immediately, how in the world could one such as I make such a mistake?

139 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:29:49am

Re: Mandy's 121 I've said several times that the dem party bigs are possibly in more trouble with their base than the GOP. You'll never read about it in the NY Slimes or any others...but blue collar folks of all colors are PISSED OFF about the illegal alien invasion.

Folks like The Prophet Obama and his racist pastor have kept the lid on black anger by convincing the rank and file that all the ills of blacks are caused by Whitey...

Obama may have been right about the whole "quiet riots" taking place every day in the Black community, but just blind to the direction those riots will go.

140 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:29:59am

128 funky chicken

The story doesn't say. The driver escaped and is cooperating with the police.

141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:30:03am

#125 Kenneth

The radio broadcasts are a dead giveaway. The code to launch the attack was "TORAH! TORAH! TORAH!"

/I love that joke.

142 grayp  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:30:13am

Good Lord! Has anyone posted this yet?

Politicians reacted in disbelief to the revelation that for over two hours yesterday, the BBC News website carried a request for people in Iraq to report on troop movements.

The request was removed from the website after it sparked furious protests that the corporation was endangering the lives of British servicemen and women.

According to accounts last night, a story on a major operation by US and Iraqi troops against al-Qa’eda somewhere north of Baghdad contained an extraordinary request for information about the movement of troops.


gobsmacked.

143 Joel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:30:33am

The Washington Post has also in the past given op-ed space to arch terrorist and faux Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh. For too many Upper West Side Jews, the N.Y. Times is the Talmud.

144 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:30:36am

134 tfk

Bush derelict of duty to enforce current law.

US Constitution - Article II Section 3:

"...he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed..."


It does not say, "shall lobby to change the laws to his liking."

145 Joel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:34:41am

#118 softball dad
I (against my better judgment) clicked on the link to the Puffington Host - what a bunch of sick crypto Stalinist Fascists they are!

146 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:35:58am

What Hamas wants
What Hamas needs
What Hamas wants
What Hamas needs

Yeah come on

ouuuhooo

I wanna thank you for giving me time to breathe
Like a rock you waited so patiently
While I got it together
While I figured it out
I only looked but I never touched
'Cause in my heart was a picture of us
Holdin' hands, makin' plans and it's lucky for me you understand

What Hamas wants
What Hamas needs
Whatever makes me happy sets you free
And I'm thanking you for knowing exactly
What Hamas wants
What Hamas needs
Whatever keeps me in your arms
And I'm thanking you for giving it to me
ouuu
hunnn yeah

No all the time i was blind
I was so confused
Run away just to hide it all from you
But baby you knew me better,then i knew myself
They say if you love something let it go
If it comes back it's yours
That's how you know
It's for keeps, yeah, it's for sure
And you're ready and willin'

/Jimmy Carter

147 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:36:23am
128 funky chicken

121 Mandy Hmmm was it a car with folks just doing the drunk driving that Americans won't do?

Wow! That's some conclusion you've come to. A Spanish guy gets beat to death by rioting blacks over a minor traffic accident and drunk driving while illegal comes to mind?

148 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:37:03am

140 Mandy I wonder if they will give him immunity if he is an illegal?

He did hit a child with a car...and said child was part of a 2000-3000 person celebration. I dunno about you, but I tend to drive about 2 miles an hour around big parties with kids. Or I go out of my way to avoid the places with kids.

It could be very interesting, or it could become nothing. We'll see.

149 Buck  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:38:44am

Can it be that there were no ISM in Gaza during the last few days?

Can it really be that they would survive?

ISM was very attached to Fatah (created and financed by Arafat). I find it hard to believe they could survive a rout by Hamas.

Anyone know what is going on there (at ISM)?

150 Odinist  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:39:28am

#138 apachegunner

Sorry, but it's a grammatical pet peeve...

151 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:39:51am

The ISM knew.

152 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:40:30am

147 no limit Yep.

Driving while drunk is part of their culture, don’t you know? Movie director Robert Clark and his 22-year-old son were beneficiaries. Don’t you want to benefit, too?

We’re so fortunate to have Mexican culture among us, aren’t we? They jump over the border, bringing with them a rich heritage, indeed. Their wonderful contributions only enrich America. We’re very blessed to have them. Celebrate diversity!

(Pictured: Formerly law school-bound college track and field star Joycelyn Gardiner, killed by a drunk illegal alien - MM has a picture of the car)

More death-by-illegal-alien sources:

Driver Pleads Guilty to Running Down Pedestrian
Teen Responsible for Fatal Crash Was Unlicensed
Driver Charged With DWI in Fatal I-40 Wreck
Admitted Illegal Immigrant Faces Vehicular Manslaughter Charges
Tragedy links family, officer
Officials crack down on illegal immigrants since fatal crash - Yeah, right…
Fatal wreck leads to 15-year sentence
Brother guilty in fatal crash
Illegal Immigrant Pleads Guilty
Speeder crashes, sends three to hospital
Year following infamous immigrant DUI crash…

[Link: lashawnbarber.com...]

153 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:40:56am

#142 grayp
Disgraceful.

154 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:41:21am

144 Ojoe

Bush derelict of duty to enforce current law.

US Constitution - Article II Section 3:

"...he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed..."


It does not say, "shall lobby to change the laws to his liking."

Ah, fellahs, I'm pretty sure the President has the Constitutional authority to propose laws and submit such proposals to congress for consideration. Presidents have been doing just that for over 200 years.

155 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:43:46am
#142 grayp

Politicians reacted in disbelief to the revelation that for over two hours yesterday, the BBC News website carried a request for people in Iraq to report on troop movements.


BBC logo

156 Joel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:43:49am

None of these problems in Gaza would be happening if Rachel Corrie were still alive.

157 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:45:04am
158 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:45:45am

Killgore Trout,

I linked the Kyle Smith blog review last night. Read the whole thing on Malkin's site.

159 pat  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:45:58am

OT
Anti kissing campaign in Egypt un the guise of preventing bird flue. We course we know that this is just more Islamic bullshit.
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

160 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:46:40am
161 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:46:58am
#131 jjmckay1216

WOW! Islamic troofer? unreal.

All true Muslims are troofers. They're taught cognitive dissonance from birth.

/their collective reality is not objective and that's why trying to reason with them is futile

162 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:47:37am

They have tribes in Iraq?

/MSM

163 Pawn of The Oppressor  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:48:46am

#95 lawhawk


Someone above mentioned that there are quite a bit of guns in Gaza. They're not made locally, and there are so many of them, that they are cheaper than ever - $1,400 for an AK-47, as compared to $2,800 a year ago. The arms dealers need to move quite a lot to make the same amount of money, which begs the question of where they find the money when everyone is scrounging for bits and pieces.

That is a LOT of money for an AK. That's a well-tuned smith-built model here, or three whole cheapass Century Arms ROMAKs, if you prefer. Of course ours are semi-auto, but even that makes our guns relatively more expensive. Something tells me their AKs don't have to meet the requirements of GCA '68, the 1986 restrictions, or Section 922r.

Does having to smuggle the guns via tunnel or "fishing boat" drive the prices up?

Years ago there were AKM kits on the market that were originally Russian-supplied PLO guns, confiscated by Israel, and then cut up for sale here. I kinda wish I could afford one of those kits now. I like the idea of having a genuine Commie AK removed from terrorist hands by Israel, to be used by me for fun instead of killing Jews.

164 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:49:48am

#158 JammieWearingFool
I'm intrigued by FreemarketCure. I think it's too easy to pick apart Mikey's work. What's really tough is finding alternate solutions.

165 annelid[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:51:32am
166 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:52:08am
167 pat  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:52:16am

The source article on the BBC and troop movement. The awkward reporting and strange comments from the BBC make me think that "the journalist" responible was a muslim.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Just a feeling.

168 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:52:27am

In fact, Gazans are so happy, they're leaping for joy. Sadly, several have been on the edge of tall buildings when doing so...

169 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:53:27am

157 tfk Go man go!

Lott's scum.

170 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:54:01am
171 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:54:06am
#152 funky chicken

147 no limit Yep.

Driving while drunk is part of their culture, don’t you know?

The story at hand provides no information as to whether the driver was intoxicated.

The story (here) is about an angry mob killing a Spanish man (whose immigration status is unknown) who very well may be third generation for all we know.

I, and most, usually wait for the facts before making unfounded conclusions.

But that's just me - And most everyone else here at LGF for that matter.

172 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:55:16am

annelid gets it!

173 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:56:25am

165 annelid

I was raised in the South and I never heard of Juneteenth until I moved to Denver in the late 80s.

174 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 9:58:17am

Sshhh...

175 MacBoy  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:00:04am

Our sole focus is Palestinian rights and good governance

And killing Joooz.

176 grumpy old codger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:00:48am

Somewhat OT

An AP story has abboud denouncing Hamas as "murderous terrorists". I guess that makes Fatah "good" terrorists!

177 BobbyKeith  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:01:39am
Sadly, it became apparent that not all officials from Fatah were negotiating in good faith.

That little fact became all apparent when we first heard of the agreeable members from Hamas debating their bound and gagged Fatah counterparts. I can completely see how Fatah was the winner on this one. I mean think about it...the Fatah folks that negotiated their side won out by getting an all expense paid trip to visit forty virgins after they were chucked off the roof tops, while the poor Hamas guys got stuck with, well, Gaza :(

178 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:01:45am

Hillary blames the Iraqis.

179 Ojoe  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:01:55am

154 Kenneth

Well Bush is acting then as a private citizen.

Article II says nothing about laws originating from the executive;

and Article I Section 1 begins with the sentence

"All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, ..."

I wish he'd stick to his job.

180 bulwrk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:03:10am

I'm waiting for the Zionist were behind the Bolshevik Revolution video.

181 maddogg  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:03:52am

I have had to make my new puppy an outdoor dog, as the NYT is too expensive on the wallet for potty training him, and too hard on my temper for any other use.

182 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:09:56am

Compassionate Islamofascism

Wow, those Iranians are really showing a soft side.

183 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:10:05am

#181 maddogg

I have had to make my new puppy an outdoor dog, as the NYT is too expensive on the wallet for potty training him, and too hard on my temper for any other use.

May I suggest you inquire of your local news-stand - if you may have the unsold copies of the Times? One days worth of unsold's should provide a years worth for your puppy's needs.

184 Buck  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:12:29am

More and more I am convinced this whole thing is Pallywood. Sort of a Good Terrorist/Bad terrorist thing.

Fatah, and Hamas are still best friends, BUT now they figured out a way to loosen up the hundreds of millions of dollars.

185 FightingBack  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:12:34am

Gaza nice&calm? Excellent news! Let's send back the folks who tore their way into Israel. Calm is so beneficial for patient recovery.

186 maddogg  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:14:05am

#183 NoLimit

Heh. Thats a good idea, then I could send the contents back to the NYT and submit them to the editorial dept.

187 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:15:11am

#184 Buck

Fatah, and Hamas are still best friends, BUT now they figured out a way to loosen up the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Bingo, Sir.

188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:15:20am

#175 MacBoy

Our sole focus is Palestinian rights and good governance

And killing Joooz.

ALL: NOBODY ESCAPES THE PALI INQUISITION!

Hamas #1: Our chief goal is Pali rights

Hamas #2: And good governance.

Hamas #1: Our chief goals are Pali rights and good governance.

Hamas 3#: and killing JOOOS

Hamas #1: Amongst our goals are such diverse elements

189 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:16:56am

Terp Mole!

Another hat tip! You are the master!

//smackdown - Natalie still sits humbly at zero.

190 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:16:57am
191 Poitiers-Lepanto  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:17:06am

What's this "New York Times" you are all talking about ?


/

192 Joel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:17:13am

Last night on Hannity & Colmes they had Walid Shoebat and Fouad Ajami on as guests. Ajami told the girlie man Alan Colmes that "Hamas and Fatah are both the children of Arafat."

193 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:17:47am

When asked what he thought about foreign affairs, Bill Clinton replied, 'I don't know, I never had one.'

194 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:17:51am

Here is a must see video, once again from our friends at Fox. This time it is Brian Kilmeade interviewing Walid Shoebat. Watch the video and see if you agree with Brians "principles"?

195 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:18:16am

The Bill Clinton revised judicial oath: 'I solemnly swear to tell the truth as I know it, the whole truth as I believe it to be, and nothing but what I think you need to know.'

196 transient  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:19:08am
We continue to believe that there is still a chance to establish a long-term truce.

I'm glad to hear that, truly I am. After all, who among us does not aspire to a long term truce? Think of all the expressions in English (or Hebrew translation) that reflect our deep longing for long term truce:

Long Term Truce Now!

What's So Funny 'Bout Long Term Truce, Love, and Understanding?

Land for Long Term Truce!

Long Term Truce Out, Baby!

and my personal favorite:

Give Long Term Truce a Chance!

197 lobo91  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:20:51am

#154 Kenneth:

I'm pretty sure the President has the Constitutional authority to propose laws and submit such proposals to congress for consideration. Presidents have been doing just that for over 200 years.

Of course he does. Nobody said he can't propose new laws.

But that doesn't give him the authority to simply ignore the existing laws in the meantime.

198 transient  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:22:03am

Ever notice when you use a word repeatedly (or violate it), it becomes meaningless?

199 june_july  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:22:04am

The same S**T is in the Washington Post.

Engage with Hamas
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

A sample...

"Palestinians want, on their terms, the same thing Western societies want: self-determination, modernity, access to markets and their own economic power, and freedom for civil society to evolve."

LOL. Yes, of course, "their own terms" being the utter destruction of Israel, and murder or exile of all of its non-Muslim inhabitants.

200 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:22:54am

#149
Check out ISM's website. They are planning to land all over the Gaza beaches(but not until august 15). They claim there are Palistinian fishermen that they will be working with(i was thinking it is more like the "sleep with the fishes") I say show some balls- and get to Gaza today!

201 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:23:31am
202 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:23:40am

Bill clinton's commencement address at the U of Michigan:

"for the purposes of your being here today, what makes you a community? Not the fact that you're wearing a uniform and all kinds of interesting things underneath--like running shoes and things like that."


clinton always thinking about things underneath clothing.

203 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:23:44am

The new Nazi Germany meets the new Japan...Ahmadinejad:

A strong Iran will help Russia


"Iran's relations with Russia are strategically significant," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, the state-run IRNA news agency reported Wednesday.

"We believe a strong Iran will be beneficial to Russia," IRNA quoted the president as saying.(Dudi Cohen)

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:23:53am
205 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:25:16am

Laugh of the day...

Russia: Iranian missiles not a threat


[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

206 tvfoh  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:26:25am

To quote a wise man.

Rope.

Tree.

Journalist.

Some assembly Required.

207 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:26:59am

#163 pawn of the oppressor:

Yes, the costs for smuggling those weapons into Gaza has much to do with the prices I mentioned.

The original story on which I based those figures is here.

208 Edward Halper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:27:13am

On second thought (see my 115), there is no way we're going to teach Ahmed's audience to think. Might as well join them in their logical fallacy: Who really benefited from 9/11? The Arab oil producers because the price of oil has risen so dramatically. The Saudis and the Iranians did it.

We can continue to play this game: Who benefited from Pearl Harbor? The Japanese who today have a robust economy that is not weighed down by supporting a military. Guess the Japs did it, just as some of us suspected all along.

209 miclaine  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:28:34am

OT OT OT OT OT
LGF has not commented much on the war in Lebanon of the Lebanese fighting the Palestinians, If this were Israel doing this, the green helmets would be out in force showing the world how Israel is killing the Pals.

210 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:29:05am
211 Tricky Dick  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:29:06am
we were forced into trying to take control of a very dangerous situation in order to provide political stability and establish law and order.

How are you establishing law and order when you're marching people out into the streets and assassinating them and marching them to the tops of buildings and hurling bound and blindfolded them to their deaths. GJ New York Times.

212 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:29:31am

There is a part of me that actually does feel for the Palestinian people even if I have never felt more intense rage than the day I saw them dancing for joy in their dust covered streets after 9/11.

What must it be like to live life never knowing you are a voluntary pawn in a much bigger game? Stupid rubes being used to feed the appetites of the tyrants of Saudi, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, and to a great degree useful tools for the infidels of Russia and China. For you and future generations, no matter the outcome of Israel's existence, you are always going to be on the outside looking in.

Palestine, let me clue you in to something you fail to recognize. Israel is the best friend, perhaps the only real friend you got. She's the only one who doesn't take advantage and actually shows pity for your cause.

And you're the fool to not recognize it. One day it will be too late.

213 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:29:50am

199 Sure, sure, but why the hell do we have to support them in their quest for universal human desires blah blah.

You know, most of us have to get a damn job and support ourselves.

Hey Hamasastanis...GET A JOB, BUILD YOUR OWN DAMN LIVES

214 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:30:06am

Buck,

Pass go, collect $200.

You done nailed it.

215 Silhouette  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:30:30am

#56 easy

(Christians) must be ready for Islamic rule if they want to live in peace

That sums it all up, doesn't it?

They only "peace" they ever have in mind is our surrender.

216 bulwrk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:30:32am

Ahmed Yousef provides indisputable evidence Zionist agent on grassy knoll.

217 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:30:46am

192 Joel

Last night on Hannity & Colmes they had Walid Shoebat and Fouad Ajami on as guests. Ajami told the girlie man Alan Colmes that "Hamas and Fatah are both the children of Arafat."

I saw that.

Colmes: ABBAS is a terrorist? ABBAS?!

218 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:32:05am
Arab U.S. Prof. Sees PA Society Heading for Nowhere..."So the masked men of Fatah have the run of the West Bank while the masked men of Hamas have their dominion in Gaza. Some see this as a tolerable situation... It’s always tempting to look for salvation in disaster, but in this case it’s sheer fantasy

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

219 Sabraguy  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:32:59am
The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time ...

Catholic compound ransacked in Gaza

Oops, spoke too soon.

220 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:34:28am

#199 june_july:

Ahmed Yousef is a shill for Haniyeh. Of course he's going to push the Hamas position because that's what he's paid to do.

We, however, are not paid to buy the WaPo or their excuses for opening up their editorial page to every petty dicator and terrorist group, or their shills.

Hamas is a terrorist group - and as such deserves no seat at the table.

I'd say the same thing of Fatah, but the diplomats have all colluded to give 'em a say - a big mistake in my book.

221 Silhouette  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:35:24am

#217 No Submission

How shocked he must have been. When he has been daily assured by the MSM that Abbas is the moderate.

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,130,000 for Abbas moderate.

222 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:35:30am

Jeez nolimit, kinda sensitive aren't you?

I was just talking smack, based on several reports in the last couple of days and over the last year about the drunk driving habits of our "guests" from the south.

nothing more, nothing less.

223 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:35:49am

Caribbean tropical wave likely to become a Hurricane in 4 to 6 days!


That is a monster wave centered near 8ºN, 82ºW.


Of course, in 4 to 6 days it will be well into the Pacific.


Yurpian Community says close enough to bring some bad weather to Acapulco, before heading out to sea.


BTW, Yurpian is also all over a monster cyclone in the Bay of Bengal, look forward to a huge post late this week or weekend for our Indian and Bangladeshi readers!


Now, nice looking waves come off Africa every three or four days, but the water temps are marginal, and dry Saharan air to the North inhibits development. That is normal for June.

Don't be ungrateful Bastids. The average combined June and July time period brings just over 1 named tropical cyclone, and we've already had Barry, so its ok even if we go 6 more weeks without a storm.

Now, we have already established that almost the entire Gulf of Mexico is warmer than 28º, the limit for major cyclones, and all of the Gulf is well over the magic 26.5º required for hurricanes. But we need to get the depth of the water warmer than 26º deeper. Now, we aren't doing too bad, with a lot of the Gulf having at least 25 meters of warm water, and some parts over 50 meters. Bad is a relative term. Actually, deep warm water allows slow moving major storms to maintain their strength, which increases the chances of another Rita, Ivan or Katrina. Now that I am a homeowner, and have a deductible on my insurance that means a big storm would cost me money up front, not to mention long term in higher premiums, I'm not quite as excited as I used to be about Cat 5s in the Gulf.

Anyway, still seven days away from the earliest major cyclone impact (1957s Hurricane Audrey, a Cat 4 that made landfall same place as Rita, on the Texas-Louisiana line), and the real action is August and September.

Anyhow, yesterday's Alabama severe storms not quite as rambunctious as they move through Northern Florida.


This is about the only chance, and it is a remote one, for any tropical activity during the next 7 days for the US. Very slight chance the vorticity maximum and associated decaying frontal boundary might get over warm water, develop concentrated thunderstorms, feed back and develop. The old "Canadian polar low to warm core tropical cyclone" trick.


0Z Canadian sort of hinted at that, but suggested it would head East and away from US.


New GFS says no development, but the remaining weakness left by the disturbance drifts Westward into the Gulf, and pulls a fairly vigorous (for this early in the season) tropical wave into the Gulf and into Louisiana, with abundant rainfall Monday and Tuesday, with some of the moisture maybe aiding drought stricken Alabama.

224 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:36:33am

Just A Grunt...

I agree with Brian's principle... Makes snese to me... Why are we so afraid to put it into action?

225 mikiebahamas  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:37:26am

NYT = No more Relevant:Only A Historic Footnote.

226 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:38:34am
227 Silhouette  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:38:54am

#219 Sabra

Crosses were broken, a statue of Jesus was damaged, and prayer books were burnt at the Rosary Sisters School and nearby convent, said Father Manuel Musallem, head of Gaza's Latin church.

Worldwide Christian rioting including random attacks on anyone Muslim to begin in...

Oops, forgot that we're sane.

228 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:40:39am

#209 miclaine:

On the contrary, LGF and those who post here have mentioned this quite a bit. The hypocrisy of the media, the media bias, and the yellow journalism in covering the Middle East is pervasive.

Just note that the UN has no problem condemning Israel for human rights violations, but stands silent on Palestinians tossing other Palestinians off rooftops or Hamas shooting up a bunch of Fatah thugs in the back even after saying they could go free.

229 pat  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:41:40am

ploome. It is a strange story. Makes one wonder who is in charge at the BBC.

230 Black George Bush  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:41:42am

A lunchtime must read...

We Can’t Win Wars by Permission

Our rules of engagement concerning collateral killing are strangling us in the war against fanatical jihadists – including those from Iran. Collateral killing has become a higher priority than our own self-preservation – how did this happen? The United Nations preaches that democracies are only entitled to defend themselves up to the point where they don’t harm the enemy’s fellow citizens - even while that enemy fights from behind those citizens.

Read the whole thing..

231 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:42:33am

the UN Human Rights Council is a total joke- look at the members.

232 funkyfantom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:43:08am
#82 lawhawk
Gal Gadot speaks out against those who called her posing for Maxim's ad campaign in support of Israel. (Yes, it's a shameless opportunity to post something eminently pleasing to the eye as opposed to the usual ugliness associated with Hamas, Fatah and the terrorist/thug regimes in the region).

That Gal's hot bod could make a bishop kick out a stained-glass window.

233 Rufus Lee King  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:43:23am

Continental Flight Becomes Incontinent

[Link: www.king5.com...]

I'll tell ya, it's breakin loose all over.

234 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:45:04am

Lawhawk,

I like your blog. Very nice!

235 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:47:02am

219 Sabra, 227 Sil

Crosses were broken, a statue of Jesus was damaged, and prayer books were burnt at the Rosary Sisters School and nearby convent, said Father Manuel Musallem, head of Gaza's Latin church.

Uh, I think it may be time for a massive air evac operation. Somebody needs to get those poor people out of there.

236 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:47:37am
222 funky chicken

Jeez nolimit, kinda sensitive aren't you?

I was just talking smack, based on several reports in the last couple of days and over the last year about the drunk driving habits of our "guests" from the south.

nothing more, nothing less.

In context your conclusions are founded. But not with regard to this story. Overall, illegals commit no more crimes, nor commit DUI offenses in any greater numbers than Americans do.

To wide-brush all illegals as criminals, is criminal. It is Americas fault these folks are here, not there's. I blame GWB for at least 5 million of the 12 - 15 million. He failed to act when provided the opportunity after 911. That was the time to do it.

I know for a fact - if I was a Mexican National, I'd be here too.

237 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:48:14am

This dude's getting on my nerves.

Bloomberg says he's not running

Make up your mind, little man, or even the lamestream media is going to toss you aside.

238 Joel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:48:19am

217 NoSubmission
re: AlanColmes
That girlie man carried water for Hamas back in April 2002 and Hezbollah last summer. He is a real appeaser in the Neville Chamberlain mode. Netanyahu gave him a great smackdown last year when Colmes mentioned (allegedly) 2,000 people at an anti war demo in Tel Aviv, Netanyahu said "really, I must have missed it, too bad, did they hold it in a phone booth"?

239 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:49:01am

230 BGB uh oh. Somebody's gonna accuse you of being too much like babbazee and funky chicken and tfk.

240 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:50:12am

The 12Z GFS also suggests St. Louis almost gets to 100ºF Sunday, and does get to 100ºF on Monday.


It isn't really Summer, until STL gets to 100ºF.

241 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:50:21am

BGB...

Excellent article... So true... Why are we doing this to ourselves?

242 EE  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:50:39am

The New York Times used to have columns written by Youssef Ibrahim, on business matters. If The New York Times wants to pause in its promotion of the Hamas jihaditerrorists, it should provide column space to Youssef Ibrahim for his article on the Gaza situation, and why it has to be contained. The Gaza Strip under Hamas has joined Jihadistan, and is a threat to Arab regimes, including that of Egypt and that of Jordan. Read his excellent article.
[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

243 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:50:40am
244 Mike C.  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:50:41am

Oh, Charles ? (And everybody else.) Iowahawk's at it again. Heh.

Hat tip - jpsfudimo.

245 BulgarWheat  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:51:48am

#236 NoLimit

part of the problem is this, why should illegals recognize or respect our driving laws if they won't recognize or respect our immigration laws.

There actually is a disproportionate amount of drunk driving among the illegal aliens. I know you will probably want some solid evidence on that so I'll take a few minutes and get the DOJ statistics for you.

246 ZionistYoungster  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:52:34am

Not OT:

Ian Williams of the Grauniad does his own bit of shilling for Hamas, in Who won the election?. Subtitle: "By continuing to punish Hamas, Israel and the US are ignoring the democratic will of Palestinians".

Truth turned to grow like an onion:

As Hamas developed, a secondary point was that the last thing that hard-line Israeli factions, of the kind who seem to be running the security services, wanted was a partner who will negotiate. There is no conceivable negotiated solution that does not involve withdrawal from the occupied territories and recognition of genuinely independent Palestinian statehood that even now, few Israeli politicians have unequivocally supported.

That is why, of course, there is a suspicious, what one could call a statistically significant correlation, between Hamas's acceptance of cease-fires, and Israeli assassinations of its leadership. There are times when Israeli security forces to seem to function as as if they were the militias of right-wing Israeli factions.

Inevitable "Zionists = Nazis" canard:

The fighting in Gaza is above all the responsibility of the gun-worshippers on both sides. There is little to choose between the assorted armed militias now shooting it out. But those who crammed a million and half people into a ghetto, restricted their water supplies, bombed their power stations, cut off funding for government services and occasionally lob shells and "precision" bombs into their apartments cannot escape their responsibility for the carnage. [Emphasis mine. --ZY]

247 Joel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:53:33am

#237 JammieWearingFool
Nanny Bloomberg still has more reasons to make New Yorkers lives miserable like making sure you do not eat too much ice cream in the summer. Bloomy knows best.

248 EE  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:54:35am

re #242


Annexation of Gaza must be contained

By Youssef M. Ibrahim


[Link: www.JewishWorldReview.com...] | There are many ways to look at the Hamas victory in the Gaza Strip last week, but the most relevant is that Gaza has joined the expanding Jihadistan terrorist landscape.


Gaza is only the most recent addition to Jihadistan's several cities in Iraq, the tribal regions along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, much of Somalia, and the Hezbollah-controlled areas of southern Lebanon — yet another place for terrorist-masters to meet, organize, plan, and operate.


It will be a farce if President Bush and Prime Minister Olmert spend their meeting today discussing a two-state solution or how many millions of dollars are needed to shore up the non-existent authority of Fatah. What is needed is a plan to stop the addition of Gaza to Jihadistan, to contain it, and to bleed it.


Egypt and Jordan are just as concerned as Israel.

Read the rest of this excellent, spot-on, analysis.

249 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:55:29am

VIDEO
A US Soldier who loves his toys..

250 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:56:28am

Linked over at GCP by Jfpsdumo (sp?)


Latest Iowahawk take on Dan Rather and al-Katie Couric

251 looking closely  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:56:31am

#236 No limit

To wide-brush all illegals as criminals, is criminal.

I have to assume you are being sarcastic here. Isn't being an "illegal" (your word) a "crime"?

What is the definiton of the word "criminal" again?


It is Americas fault these folks are here, not there's. I blame GWB for at least 5 million of the 12 - 15 million. He failed to act when provided the opportunity after 911. That was the time to do it.


See above.
Is it George Bush's fault you made that last post?

I know for a fact - if I was a Mexican National, I'd be here too.


If you were a Mexican national you'd be sitting in your living room posting on LGF?

Seriously speaking, America attracts immigrants like honey attracts bumblebees (and flies). If you want to place fault on a gov't for illegal Mexican EMIGRATION, I think the fault lies squarely on the Mexican gov't.

252 pat  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:56:52am

#236 NoLimit
"Overall, illegals commit no more crimes, ..."

That is untrue. Illegals make of 28% of Federal Inmates giving them a crime rate 6 times that of the population at large. That figure is up an extraordinary 3% in 2 years. As for DUIs and traffic offenses, records are not generally kept by immigration status, but an illegal commits a crime in over 40 States merely by driving. A crime similar to what Ms Hilton got 40 days in jail for.

253 Clemente  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:57:22am

Abbas correctly identifies half the terrorists in the Muslim-occupied portions of Israel:

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas harshly criticized the Islamic Hamas on Wednesday for taking over Gaza last week, saying its members were "murderous terrorists" who tried to assassinate him recently.

From Yahoo,

Palestinian leader calls Hamas 'murderous terrorists'

I'm glad I got a screen capture of that. It now appears Yahoo's wisely removed the story from their home page, and changed its title. Somewhere, an insensitively honest headline editor is getting spanked.

254 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:58:10am

236 nolimit you may have left off a sarc tag on that one. If not, I'll just give you Thomas Sowell from National Review Online:

What about illegal immigrants working outside of agriculture? They are a great bargain for their employers, because they are usually hard-working people who accept low pay and don’t cause any trouble on the job.

But they are no bargain for the taxpayers who cover their medical bills, the education of their children, and the costs of imprisoning those who commit a disproportionate share of crime.


[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

255 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 10:58:58am

Hamas won the elections, but that doesn't mean anyone who isn't a Palestinian has to give them money for it.

Those other countries, including Israel and the US have their own elections, and laws that are supposed to deny Hamas any funds because it is a terrorist organization dedicated to Israel's destruction.

The US and Israel have recognized Hamas's win for what it is - a reason to limit aid to the Palestinians, which is certainly within their legal right to do so.

#237 jammie:
Bloomberg has good reason not to enter the race. Once he does, he'll get picked apart by the media. It's the same reason that Fred! and Al Gore have refused to commit. It is a smart decision since it is still quite early to get into the race.

Besides, he's probably trying to figure out how to market himself to everyone.

256 Joel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:00:24am

Here is Walid Shoebat last night on Hannity & Colmes talking about the nihilism of these Hamas/Fatah murderers.

257 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:01:12am

237 JWF what a shame. I think Bloomberg had a chance to siphon off somewhat rational people from Madame Hillary's campaign.

How very sad.

LOL

258 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:01:18am

Photo
Members of the Hamas Executive force patrol Gaza.

Executive?

259 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:01:55am
Islam: The Power of "No...Slowly, ever so slowly, it is beginning to dawn on Americans that anything we attempt to do to entice the Middle East into the 21st century is likely to meet with defeat because its Muslim population, held in the grip of brutal men and a brutal theology, remains impervious to the possibility of peace, of freedom, of individual liberty.

What they are especially good at is saying “No.” They have been saying no to anything that smacks of modern civilized behavior for a very long time and that resistance has been largely tolerated in the West because (a) their nation may sit atop a lot of oil and/or (b) they are oppressed by their fellow Arabs

A very good read... [Link: www.newmediajournal.us...]

260 Joel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:02:32am

My mistake. The video of Walid Shoebat is from an appearance on Fox & Friends not last nights Hannity & Colmes.

261 bunker buster  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:02:33am
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas harshly criticized the Islamic Hamas on Wednesday for taking over Gaza last week, saying its members were "murderous terrorists" who tried to assassinate him recently.

At the risk of sounding excessively juvenile, takes one to know one.

262 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:03:11am

Okay.

What the HELL is Juneteenth?

Austin: Crowd Kills Man After Car Hits Kid...

Milwaukee: Wild teens pull man from car, beat him...

263 squarepeg  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:04:31am

WHAT did I tell you?

Britain 'sorry for upset' over Rushdie honour

Not that it was a particularly tricky call.

264 Joel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:04:53am

258 NoSubmission
I see they took their masks off - I wish they would put them back on.

265 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:05:00am

Wife of Soldier Missing in Iraq Faces Deportation, Attorney Says

BOSTON — The wife of a soldier missing in Iraq could face deportation, her lawyer told a television station.
Army Spec. Alex Jimenez , who has been missing since his unit was attacked by insurgents in Iraq on May 12, had petitioned for a green card for his wife, Yaderlin, whom he married in 2004, Boston's WBZ-TV reported Tuesday.
Their attorney, Matthew Kolken, said Yaderlin illegally entered the United States from the Dominican Republic in 2001.

Just friggin' great. Here I sit and say deport the illegals when you find them and then something like this happens, or what I classify as worst case scenario. If there are provisions in the law to allow her receiving a green card as her lawyer contends then it should be granted. If however there isn't then she must abide by the ruling of the immigration courts. It hurts me to say that but soldiers are not above the law which is pretty obvious due to the number of them now behind bars. It does break my heart to say that.

266 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:05:47am

I don't know if this has been posted re the self-hating Jews who own al-NYT, and their non-response to news of the Holocaust, that might have, if not hidden in a small blurb, on a back page, have saved an untold number of lives..

Book Reveals: New York Times Buried Holocaust News

How the NYT Missed the Story of the Holocaust While It Was Happening

The Journalism of The Holocaust

And their requisite Israel bashing:

All The News That’s Fit to Print?:The New York Times and Israel.

267 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:06:22am

#216 No Submission
Juneteenth is the day that the slaves were notified in TX of the Emancipation Proclamation, almost 2 years after it ws signed.

268 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:07:29am

#262 not 216
PIMF

269 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:08:10am

#219

Crosses were broken, a statue of Jesus was damaged, and prayer books were burnt at the Rosary Sisters School and nearby convent, said Father Manuel Musallem, head of Gaza's Latin church.

That's it! Now I'm seething. Make the signs! Round up the swarm!

/Irony meter sets new high and breaks

270 lobo91  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:08:23am

#255 lawhawk:

Hamas won the elections, but that doesn't mean anyone who isn't a Palestinian has to give them money for it.

Another thing they don't seem to get is the fact that being elected to the Palestinian parliament doesn't automatically grant one a "get out of jail free" card.

If the Palestinians are dumb enough to elect convicted criminals to office, that's their problem, not Israel's.

271 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:08:45am
#243 song_and_dance_man

If one breaks American federal law to come to America then they have committed a crime and are criminals.

Hey, you don't enforce the laws and you left the door open - hell, I'm coming in, you dumb gringo's.

272 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:08:47am

267 Just_A_Grunt
I see...

So they celebrate by dragging people from cars and beating them into a bloody pulp?

273 Buck  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:09:00am

#258 NoSubmission
Something strange about that photo. I thought all HAMAS had to have beards...

274 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:10:23am
What the HELL is Juneteenth?


It's a celebration for 'african americans' because they feel that we didn't have enough 'holidays for blacks'...or something.

275 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:10:30am

#262 NoSubmission

It's the anniversary of the date that slaves in Texas learned that the Emancipation Proclamation was signed two years earlier.

HOWEVER, the Emancipation Proclamation did not, in fact, free any slaves at all. It was a brilliant propaganda ploy to give the North the moral authority and keep Britain and Europe from trading with the Confederacy.

The EP declared slaves in the Union free. There were no slaves in the Union; they were all in the South, which had seceded. As the North conquered the Southern states, the slaves in the newly-restored state, now a part of the Union, were in fact freed, but Texas's slaves were not free until it surrendered.

276 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:11:07am

No Sub
here is a link for juneteenth.

277 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:13:21am

#262 NoSubmission

Here you go!

And next? Coming to a county near you: Celebrating Egypt freeing the Jewish slaves!

/Note from the current Egyptian government to all Jews in the world: Your reparations will be in the mail, with interest accrued./

Uh, can anyone do the math? It never was my best subject.

278 Cartman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:13:40am

OT

Sen. Jeff Sessions from Alabama now being interviewed by Roger Hedgecock on Rush's show. The man definitely understand the evils behind the Amnasty Bill.

279 Cartman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:14:09am

PIMF - "understands"

280 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:14:16am
#274 Sponge 6/20/2007 11:10:23 am PDT

What the HELL is Juneteenth?

It's a celebration for 'african americans' because they feel that we didn't have enough 'holidays for blacks'...or something.


OR, I could just be an idiot...amazing what a little research can do.

281 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:15:08am

NoSubmission

I type slooowly!

#276 Just_A_Grunt

GMTA!

282 bulwrk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:15:59am

#258 NoSubmission


They get the key to the executive washroom and can go hoodless.

283 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:16:39am

Thanks for the Juneteenth links.

I never heard of this and I grew up in Harlem, USA.

Maybe it's not a NY thing..

284 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:16:42am

253 Clemente Ah Ha! nice!

285 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:17:05am

Anyone else notice that youtube is down today?

286 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:17:06am

Criminal-Shiminal. There ain't nuttin here I'm goin there. Those Americano's got work up there. And the Mexican foods delicioso.

287 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:18:06am

#252 no submission:

Actually, I love the fact that Hamas has taken off the masks. Keep smiling for the cameras kids! Israel and the US better be taking notes, so that they can track the murderous thugs down to their leaders.

Hamas has said that they'll continue using the masks when going after Israelis, so this will give the Israelis the opportunity to identify the terrorists.

288 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:18:43am
289 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:19:28am
A barrage of four Kassam rockets were fired at Sderot from the Gaza Strip on Wednesday evening.

One landed near a home in the city. A second rocket landed near one of the kibbutzim in the area

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

290 rin  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:19:54am

#271 nolimit,

by that logic, a woman raped & killed in her home deserved it because she left her window unlocked.

291 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:20:29am

Oh yeah...BTW, how sad.

292 POLAR WIND  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:20:32am

HORRIBLE!

UK's trade union calls for Israel boycott
The UK's largest trade union, UNISON, called for an economic boycott of Israel for its occupation of Palestinian territories.


"Conference believes that ending the occupation demands concerted and sustained pressure upon Israel including an economic, cultural, academic and sporting boycott," the union said. (Ronen Bodoni)

293 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:20:50am
294 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:20:55am
#283 NoSubmission 6/20/2007 11:16:39 am PDT

Thanks for the Juneteenth links.

I never heard of this and I grew up in Harlem, USA.

Maybe it's not a NY thing..


I live in TX and never heard of it till about 10 years ago or so. All I knew about it was that it was a day that blacks took to the streets and partied and occasionally trashed or beat up whitey. Kinda like the super bowl parade after the Cowboys won in the 90's.

295 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:22:26am
296 transient  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:23:07am

#248 EE

From your link:

the region now suffers from splits within its splits. "In Palestine, we have two leaderships; in Lebanon, two governments, with two presidents, and two parliaments; in Iraq, we are looking at three mini-states: one Shiite, one Sunni, and one Kurdish."

It sounds as though the contrived states and borders established by the Brits after the Ottoman defeat are fraying if not failing outright. Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised, it was an artificial and unstable arrangement. Will there be more failures to come?

It is a dangerous situation, but I wonder how the risk/benefit ratio will play out. Israel could benefit from the internal conflicts and absence of war-capable states (as in the Iran/Iraq war)-- if only she (and the rest of the West) could develop an effective strategy to deal with these semiautonomous groups and tribes that make war with increasingly sophisticated equipment, from behind the safety of their human shields.

297 Silhouette  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:23:48am

#236 NoLimit

You lost me at

It is Americas fault these folks are here, not there's.

We may loosely use the term "my fault" to describe our own stupidity in not lessening our danger, such as if I am stupid enough not to have an alarm system on my house, advertise that I'm on vacation, then get robbed.

And I understand that conversational usage.

But when one adds the qualification 'not theirs' to 'our fault,' that usage is not what one is saying.

One is then holding the criminal blameless.

The burglar is still the criminal, not me.

Likewise, those who enter this country illegally, no matter how wonderful it is here or how lax our enforcement, have committed the crime.

298 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:23:59am

292 POLAR WIND 6/20/2007 11:20:32 am PDT

HORRIBLE!

UK's trade union calls for Israel boycott
The UK's largest trade union, UNISON, called for an economic boycott of Israel for its occupation of Palestinian territories.


"Conference believes that ending the occupation demands concerted and sustained pressure upon Israel including an economic, cultural, academic and sporting boycott," the union said. (Ronen Bodoni)

I believe we should boycott any product made by members of that Union.

299 Cartman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:25:26am

#288 song

Bush is as culpable for the ever increasing influx of illegals as the illegals are themselves.

With all due respect, the origin of the flood and its' "wink, wink" acceptance traverses several administrations prior to GWB's. Granted, that does not excuse his almost blatant acceptance regarding the Latinization of America.

300 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:26:15am

ot:

ABC MORE BIASED THAN EVER.

How do you make an enourmously magnanamous event look like something cruel and insignificant? You use the title ABC used:

"Israel Softens Up for Some Palestinians"

get that:

(1) They want you to believe that Israel taking in sick or harmed "Palestinians" is rare. (it is not)

(2) They use "softens up" as if we are all just to assume that Israel is constantly a waring, mean, evil, Country. Israel hasn't "softened" up...they take in harmed/sick/needy "Palestinians" all the time.

(3) They also use the words "some". See how EVIL Israel is to ignore MOST of the "palestinians"...they only "soften up" for "SOME" of them while leaving the rest to die...

301 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:28:52am
300 WrathofG-d 6/20/2007 11:26:15 am PDT

ot:

ABC MORE BIASED THAN EVER.


Not to lessen your post or anything, but ABC can't get much more biased then they have been for quite some time. They just choose to remind us once in awhile just how bad they really are.

302 republic  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:29:37am

OT

"Swiss await showdown over guns and bullets"

[Link: www.swissinfo.org...]

303 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:30:37am

297 silh And I'll remind you to cover your meat, lest the cat desire it.

304 POLAR WIND  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:31:39am

#298 MrMom

I agree.

Boycott the anti-semite union.

Maybe a boycott against them will hurt the union so much that they have to stop giving their members dental insurance...oh right, I forgot.

305 abu_garcia  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:32:01am

#236 notlimit

It is Americas fault these folks are here, not there's.

Yeah, we slipped across the border at night and kidnapped them.

Asshat.

306 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:32:07am
No one knows exactly how many guns are in Switzerland - estimates range from 1.2 to 20 million – partly as the tradition of keeping army guns dates back to the 19th century.


Nice to see they recorded who walked away with a military issue arm...

307 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:32:38am

301 Sponge:

You are probably right. But I, someone who is used to media bias, was actually shocked by this "reporting".

Its really depressing. Israel has nothing to do with Fatah killing Hamas, yet they get blamed. The Phakestinians have been trying to destroy Israel since her formation, vote a Terrorists group to power, and yet Israel still helps the sick and needy of the Phakestinians...and the MSM still accuses them of evil.

blech!

308 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:33:18am
#290 rin
#271 nolimit,

by that logic, a woman raped & killed in her home deserved it because she left her window unlocked.

Wow! That's a stretch. Here we have a starving guy (literally) who jumps a border fence for work & food, and it's compared to rape and murder.

---

#288 song_and_dance_man

271 NoLimit

"Hey, you don't enforce the laws and you left the door open - hell, I'm coming in, you dumb gringo's."

Bush is as culpable for the ever increasing influx of illegals as the illegals are themselves.

And just because the door is open doesn't excuse those who walk through it all the while knowing it is a breach of American law.


Oh gee. ..Let's see know - starve or break an unenforced American law? hmmm.


The first act of those who wish to become Americans should not be the breaking of American law. Furthermore, I doubt the Mexicans really want to become Americans; it is more likely they see a chance to make money rather than serve Americas best interests and they snub American law for selfish reasons.

Maybe right - the hunger in their belly made em do it.


I moved from Los Angeles just last year and I can tell you that the illegals have little regard for America, and many of them consider the Southwest their property and they intend to take it back. Ever heard of Aztlan? The Mexicans are becoming Americas Palestinians, without the Islamic overtones of course.

Give em time to assimilate.

309 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:33:30am
310 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:34:05am

#179 Ojoe


Well Bush is acting then as a private citizen.

Article II says nothing about laws originating from the executive;

and Article I Section 1 begins with the sentence

"All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, ..."

I wish he'd stick to his job.

The President proposes, congress disposes... There is nothing unconstitutional with the POTUS proposing, arguing and lobbying for a particular piece of legislation. He cannot introduce it himself to Congress, he must ask a member to do sponsor it for him. The POTUS doesn't vote on it in congress, but can either ratify it or veto it. To say he has no role in the formation of laws is just plain wrong.

As for "ignoring existing laws", that is a different question entirely, and not one I was addressing.

311 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:34:13am

#269 MrMom

Christians in Gaza worse off than Dhimmis.

#300 Wrath

That is mild..in comparison, can you imagine the headline on al-NYT?

'Israelis take arabs hostage and force them into hospitals!'

312 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:34:48am

wowzer nolimit, why not just move to Mexico if you admire their culture so much?

313 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:34:58am
#307 WrathofG-d 6/20/2007 11:32:38 am PDT


Agreed...

314 kateca  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:35:45am

#236

To wide-brush all illegals as criminals, is criminal

.

Now that's funny.

315 republic  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:35:45am

#306 Sponge

"Nice to see they recorded who walked away with a military issue arm..."


The article said that there were like 300 firearm related deaths per year there, and that most of those were suicides, and they don't think that gun control is going to stop them, just "limit them".

This is the thinking of a complete leftist idiot kook.

"Guns cause suicide"?

Who'd a thunk.

People cause suicide, and there are a million and one ways for them to do it, if they must.

316 transient  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:35:47am

#300 WoG

And why is it that the Gazans aren't fleeing to Egypt? I heard the Egyptians turned them back. Mustn't let the inmates out of the "Israeli" prison, eh? And why doesn't the media stick on that point?

317 Buck  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:36:25am

308 NoLimit

They are not starving. They are not living like Americans, but they are not starving.

318 akak  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:36:59am

so much for Sunni vs Al Qaeda!

fun while it lasted though!

319 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:37:07am
308 NoLimit 6/20/2007 11:33:18 am PDT


Not that I want in any part of this conversation, but since when is the hungry and willing able to come here, but doesn't really see the need to fix their own country? If mexico so viva, why are they all dying to come here? Fix mexico and the problem goes away.

320 Cartman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:37:17am

#302 republic

The initiative is calling for army weapons to remain in the barracks, a national gun register, a ban on private individuals buying or owning particularly dangerous guns such as automatic weapons or pump-action shotguns, and tighter controls on those who say they need to carry a firearm.

Green parliamentarian Jo Lang, who is behind the proposal, argues that keeping an army gun at home is "a major security risk" and that "there are no practical arguments - only ideological ones".

The Swiss are just following the lead of the leftist antis here in America. They fully understand that if a leftist/islamist backed revolution were to take place in the midst of an unarmed populace, the resistance factor might be minimal. They may be dumb, but they're not stupid.

321 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:37:41am

311 Ny Nana:

I guess.

It infuriates me how NOONE is asking why Egypt or the other Arab countries are NOT doing anything.

322 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:38:11am
323 pat  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:38:11am

#309 song_and_dance_man

You are correct. Every study on the issue shows a surge in illegals every time Amnesty makes the headlines. I think Bush has BDS. lol

324 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:38:23am
305 abu_garcia

#236 notlimit

It is Americas fault these folks are here, not there's.

Yeah, we slipped across the border at night and kidnapped them.

Asshat.

You failed to lock your door. Locks don't really keep criminals out - they keep honest folk - honest.

Lock your door and they'll stop coming in.

BTW - I like how you elevated the tone here with your closing.

325 Tricky Dick  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:38:55am
326 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:38:59am
315 republic 6/20/2007 11:35:45 am PDT


HA! That's funny. I remember at one point seeing a bumper sticker that stayed with me...An unarmed citizen is a peasant.

327 akak  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:39:00am
"I know who the enemy is," Chertoff explained to reporters at a breakfast this morning hosted by the Christian Science Monitor. "The enemy is sitting in a cave over there in Pakistan."

send $ & encourage democracy

328 Silhouette  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:39:12am

Fat Tony: Bart.. uhm. Is it it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?

Bart: No..

Fat Tony: Well suppose you got a large starving family. Is it wrong to steal a truckload of bread to feed them?

Bart: Nuh-uh

Fat Tony: And what if your family don't like bread. They like.. cigarettes.

Bart: I guess that's okay.

Fat Tony: Now, what if instead of giving them away.. you sold them at a price that was practically giving them away. Would that be a crime, Bart?

Bart: Hell no!

329 sushi  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:40:24am

The New York Times is still The ‘Old Duranty Times’


* Shamelessly propagating enemy propaganda, lies and distortions and a self-hatred that is almost schizophrenic, New York’s Duranty Times (google Walter Duranty) once again defecates on the troops for 7 dead Afghan children, totally ignoring the fact that hiding behind women and children is traditional Muhammedan warfare:

330 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:41:20am
#317 Buck
308 NoLimit

They are not starving. They are not living like Americans, but they are not starving.

I've seen how they live - pretty close to starving. Show me America - and I'm comin...

331 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:41:52am
332 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:42:05am

MrMom

They want headlines. That's all.

333 Tricky Dick  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:42:08am

OT

U.S.-Iraqi offensive yields results

Soldiers conducting Operation Arrowhead Thunder also have uncovered more than 1,000 roadside bombs around the provincial capital, Baqubah, where the offensive is being conducted, Iraqi security officials said.

Yo, Harry Reid, that's the surge that you said wasn't working before it even began. JACKASS!

334 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:42:22am

Hey, we need the illegals to keep wages down for low-skilled Americans. Otherwise, where would Madame Hillary and B. Hussein Obama get their votes?

Who else would follow the Rev. Weird Al Sharpton, Rev. Jesse Jackson, or the Hon. Charlie Rangel?

The revolution needs its shock troops.

Abu Garcia, you might appreciate a BS article I read in my local newsrag yesterday that was crying about how the lack of Mexicans was hurting a local ag town. It seems that for most of the last decade the big farms have shipped in Mexicans to do all the field labor, instead of using the local populace.

I'll go get the link, it was pretty sickening.

335 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:42:33am
You failed to lock your door. Locks don't really keep criminals out - they keep honest folk - honest.

Lock your door and they'll stop coming in.

BTW - I like how you elevated the tone here with your closing.


Again, your logic translates to 'if I leave my front door unlocked, a homeless person can walk in, sit on my couch, eat my food and drink my wine and stay as long as they want and it's my fault for not locking the door'...

Your logic, if you can call it that, is quite flawed.

336 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:42:44am
337 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:44:23am
#319 Sponge

308 NoLimit 6/20/2007 11:33:18 am PDT

Fix mexico and the problem goes away.

Quite a challenge for a near starving Mexican "I am." Me thinks I'll just hop a fence.

338 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:44:28am
328 Silhouette 6/20/2007 11:39:12 am PDT


Ok...well, now I at least understand the mentality of the debator. Thanks for clearing that up.

8^)

339 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:45:29am

abu garcia: here's the link for you

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

340 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:45:52am

No Limit, I understand some of your argument.

The underlying problem, is that we are a nation of laws.

The laws have not been upheld, and are broken every day.

I actually take care of quite a few these folks, and I am the first to admit, a great number of them only want what the rest of us have.

The way the system is now, it creates an inequality for those here who play by the rules, and slaps the face of those waiting to get in legally.

My grandfather came from Italy in 1898, registered for both world wars, sent his naturalized sons off to the second world war, and did not get his status as an American until right before he died in the mid sixties.

Overall, he knew coming here, he was assuming a new identity. He was Italian, but now an American. He respected the path of those who have paid the price, shedding their blood for this to mean something.

The way the system is now, it means nothing.

341 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:47:47am
I've seen how they live - pretty close to starving. Show me America - and I'm comin...


I've seen them there, and I see them here. They live THE SAME. They send the money home and live in poverty here. You want to say they're providing for their family? Come here legally and REALLY do something for them.


Sponge...out.

342 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:47:47am

I like Mexico.

I wonder if I could move there tomorrow. You know, just go and buy property.

I already have some in PR, and there's not one phonebook or service in English. Not even a "press 1 for English." I'm told I should learn spanish.

Someone tried to cross Mexico's southern border.

He was shot by the Mexican army that's for some reason on their southern border but not their northern border.

Someone tried to move to liberal New Zealand.

But he didn't have a masters degree, 10 years work experience, a job offer and a healthy bank balance.

My neighbor has more money than me.

I think I'll sneak in and get some food.

343 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:48:25am
340 formercorpsman 6/20/2007

Thank you for that post.

344 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:48:55am
#335 Sponge

Again, your logic translates to 'if I leave my front door unlocked, a homeless person can walk in, sit on my couch, eat my food and drink my wine and stay as long as they want and it's my fault for not locking the door'...

Your logic, if you can call it that, is quite flawed.

Flawed only to one who can't see the obvious. If you live in an area where homelessness abounds. You need just close the door, then lock it, and that (hungry homeless) person won't enter. Same goes for the border.

345 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:49:17am

OT:
Al Qaeda scum nailed in Afghanistan?

While the media is focusing on the fact that kids were killed in an airstrike, note who the target was, and it's possible that we got him.

U.S. special operations forces were targeting the leader of al-Qaida in Afghanistan — one of the organization’s top commanders — when they launched an attack against a compound that killed seven children Sunday in Paktika province of eastern Afghanistan, U.S. officials tell NBC News.
According to several officials, and contrary to previous statements, the U.S. military knew there were children at the compound but considered the target of such high value it was worth the risk of potential collateral damage.

Those same officials tell NBC News the target of Sunday’s attack was Abu Laith al Libi, the al-Qaida commander in Afghanistan and a top lieutenant of Osama bin Laden. The sources report that although six sets of remains besides those of the seven children were recovered, it’s not clear whether Abu Laith is among those killed…

The attack involved a new weapon as well.

346 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:49:57am

ISM finally notices Gaza and knows who to blame, backs Hamas:

The Crisis in Gaza: Made in Israel

there is no chaos in Gaza. On the contrary. As one Palestinian security officer told Haaretz (17 June): “For a very long time the city has not been quiet. I prefer the present situation to the previous one. I can, finally, go out from my house…” The eradication of Fatah gangs from Gaza may put an end to a long period of anarchy, and allow for a return to a certain level of normal life. The latest events confirmed that Hamas does have the power to impose it.

Israeli talks about a “Palestinian civil war” are no more than wishful thinking. The armed confrontation was between armed militia only, and if, unfortunately, there were civilian casualties, there were what the US army calls “collateral damage.” The population is indeed politically divided—in the West Bank as well as in Gaza—but not fighting each other, in the meantime at least.

347 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:50:40am

#342 Ben Hur:

He was shot by the Mexican army that's for some reason on their southern border but not their northern border.

In all fairness, this jackass probably has something to do with their presence.

348 NoSubmission  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:51:03am

VIDEO
Juneteenth.

They keep saying it's 'mostly peaceful'.. uh.. right..

349 Silhouette  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:51:11am

#38 Sponge

I live to serve. I was wondering if anyone got the profound analysis I was making.

#340 formercorpsman

registered for both world wars,

Now, that's commitment. My gratitude to him.

350 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:51:11am
351 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:51:22am

Hey, illegal aliens are just doing the jobs that Americans won't do FOR CRAP WAGES and taking the employer abuse that American's won't accept.

No problemo. No limit loves slavery, apparently.

Actually, no limit sounds an awful lot like Karl Rove...keep the Mexicans coming so corporate profits stay high and elitist kids like his don't have to get their precious hands dirty.

Screw the working class. Just like the Jews, they don't vote GOP anyway.

352 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:51:50am
#331 song_and_dance_man

NoLimit

Are you an illegal alien?

no hablo ingles

353 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:51:56am

OC

Check Mexico's policies on their southern border.

354 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:52:36am

#304 POLAR WIND 6/20/2007 11:31:39 am PDT

#298 MrMom

I agree.

Boycott the anti-semite union.

Maybe a boycott against them will hurt the union so much that they have to stop giving their members dental insurance...oh right, I forgot.


Oh, behaaave!

355 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:52:49am

The most amazing thing is, that during the memorial day weekend, ancestry.com had free access to the images of the registrations.

Surreal.

356 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:54:26am

#344 NoLimit:

Your "didn't close or lock your door" analogy presumes we've done nothing, ever, to secure our border with Mexico. In fact, we already have a wall (partially), and we have these nice Border Patrol chaps who run around trying to stem the flood. So please change your analogy to: "You closed and locked your door, but you didn't use a good enough lock, so the homeless guy kicked the door in, and it's your fault."

357 abu_garcia  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:55:02am

#324 asshat

I like how you elevated the tone here with your closing.

I save that for special cases.

358 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:55:29am

Yeah Funky Chickens right. He's gotta be.

It's all Carl Roves fault after all. Or maybe Ron Paul?

359 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:56:18am

#290 rin
#271 nolimit,
by that logic, a woman raped & killed in her home deserved it because she left her window unlocked.


Wow! That's a stretch. Here we have a starving guy (literally) who jumps a border fence for work & food, and it's compared to rape and murder.

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#308 nolimit

Did you ever stop to think that the actual problem lies in the fact that the Mexican gov't is corruopt beyond end and treats its people like dogs?

360 Buck  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:56:37am

#330 NoLimit

NoLimit, do you have any clue what would happen to you if you decided to cross over illegally INTO MEXICO?

361 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:57:01am
362 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:57:09am
Funky

I know you're increasingly angry, but now you're taking a troll's comments and putting them in Karl Rove's mouth?


Screw the working class. Just like the Jews, they don't vote GOP anyway.

The borders crisis has many of us pissed, but that's quite a reach to get the Pres. or Rove to act like that. The working class does vote GOP, btw.

363 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:57:16am

My #359
PIMF; WORSE than dogs

364 yankee zionist  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:57:17am

Mainline Churches say nothing about Gaza.


When gunmen start throwing one another off of rooftops, most people would recoil in horror and offer some word of criticism for those responsible. Most people would have no problem stating explicitly that it is wrong to murder men in front of their wives and children. Most people would also say, without much prodding, that cutting the legs off of the corpses of your political opponents in the street is a bad thing. Not only does such behavior make people think poorly of you, it is wrong. It is disgraceful.

Nevertheless, there is one group of people in the United States who did not feel compelled to comment on this behavior as it took place in the Gaza Strip last week. The leaders and peace activists of mainline Protestant churches in the U.S. who have been ardent supporters of the cause of Palestinian nationalism and vocal critics of Israeli policy, have said little if anything about the violence that resulted in Hamas’s brutal takeover of the Gaza Strip during the second week of June.

365 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:57:29am

#353 Ben Hur:

Oh, I'm aware that the Mexican government treats Guatemalan illegals brutally (when they catch them), which makes their whining about the evil US "apartheid" all the more hypocritical. I'm just saying, I think the heavy Mexican Army presence in the south, specifically, stemmed from the Zapatista attacks.

366 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:58:17am

Send Ron Paul to Gaza...he can fix anything.

367 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:59:19am
#356 Occasional Reader

#344 NoLimit:

Your "didn't close or lock your door" analogy presumes we've done nothing, ever, to secure our border with Mexico. In fact, we already have a wall (partially), and we have these nice Border Patrol chaps who run around trying to stem the flood. So please change your analogy to: "You closed and locked your door, but you didn't use a good enough lock, so the homeless guy kicked the door in, and it's your fault."

A couple miles one layer fence makes not for a secure border. Where are they entering? It ain't at the San Diego border.

Let's see 13 miles of the 700 miles is built so far. hmmm.

368 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 11:59:48am

#321 Wrath

It infuriates me how NOONE is asking why Egypt or the other Arab countries are NOT doing anything.

We already know the answer to that...same old, same old. They are not their brother's keepers..Israel is supposed to be.No cult of islam country has ever lifted a finger..the sheer size of them compared to tiny Israel is mind boggling. IIRC, their total land mass is greater than that of the USA.

Why are all the 'civilized' countries silent? We already know the answer.

369 annelid[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:01:08pm
370 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:03:13pm

Easeplay oday otnay entionmay onray aulpay!

[maybe he will just go away?]

371 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:03:29pm

Thank you, yankee zionist! We need to pray for these people trapped by evil in the Holy Land. Their hypocrisy is astounding.

372 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:03:43pm

Juneteenth usually involves the thug/gangst rappa group, but has some families and kids come out too.

Sorry for starting this whole brouhaha. It was my tounge-in-cheek question about the thug mob reaction to a kid getting hit by a car that got nolimit all mad.

Black "leaders" like the rev.s Al and Jesse (and B. Hussein Obama's pastor) have done quite a job on their followers, and the gangsta rap thugs have cooperated in building up a lot of rage in the young Black community.

I was just being a sh*t stirrer and musing about how interesting it would be if, say, the DA gives a drunk driver illegal immunity to testify against the thugs who OBVIOUSLY behaved terribly.

373 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:03:59pm

#311 NY Nana
I didn't mean to sound flip. Just makes me so angry, if I don't deal with it in a light-hearted fashion, it really will make me seethe. Good link, BTW.

374 Victor  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:04:30pm

#323 pat 6/20/2007 11:38:11 am PDT

"I think Bush has BDS."

LOL!

375 Silhouette  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:04:43pm

#355 formercorpsman

For just a second, I thought you meant it was surreal that ancestry.com would do such a thing. ;-)

I am amazed at some of the grassroots work that is done in historical record availability.

For example, the US census records are hardcopy. But record by record, county by county, volunteers nationwide are transcribing them to make them internet searchable.

No government program needed!

The USGenWeb Census Project was founded to put all of the US Federal Census records on-line, where everyone can use them for research, FREE of charge.
376 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:04:47pm

The hypocrisy of the mainline churches, obviously.

377 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:05:00pm
#61 song_and_dance_man 6/20/2007 11:57:01 am PDT

NoLimit.

Your arguments are specious at best and you have won no one over to your illogical notions. You might get a 'right on' from a liberal blog but not here.

One of the things I like about LGF is the ability to learn news things, and have my mind changed from the perspective of the many fine writers here who have the ability to do so.

I sense you are arguing for the sake of arguing and wish to learn nothing in spite of the many who have clearly derailed your position.

Folks, I'm sorry so many don't get much of my sarcasm. The truth is:

The entirety of this problem has been and still is so easily solvable by simply closing the door. I find it ridiculous to blame the illegal for coming here. That's been my whole point - nothing more.

378 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:05:17pm

To wide-brush all illegals as criminals, is criminal.

Rotating title nominee?

379 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:05:22pm

#367 NoLimit:

A couple miles one layer fence makes not for a secure border.

Golly, you're kidding!

When did I say we have "a secure border"?

My point is, it's not that we're doing nothing to secure the border (like leaving your front door open), it's that we're not doing enough.

You originally started down this path by stating "you don't enforce the laws". That's a misleading blanket statement, which led directly to your flawed analogy.

380 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:06:55pm

Antecdotal story
Where I work they are building a new 40 story condo building right outside our window. I used to be able to see the skyline of Atlanta but no more. Anyway last week there was a workplace accident and a couple of guys were killed at the construction site. Between the time of the accident and the authorities showing up a large portion of the workforce disappeared. Now I understand this is GA and if you work outside you are going to get a sun tan but the guys fleeing the scene may have had an accent but it weren't no southern accent.
I wonder if any of the emergency workers and reporters who showed up ever wondered how this 40 floor building had been raised with a work crew of about 15?

381 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:08:10pm

362 spenser I'm not angry. I'm chortling away actually.

I guess it's hard to see that online.

I didn't call nolimit a troll.

I think nolimit is toeing the McCain/Kyle line.

Sorry if I came off as enraged or something.

382 akak  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:09:00pm

wow pitchforks out in Texas!

383 Rin  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:09:07pm

#377 nolimit

so, in your opinion, what would be "locking the door"? please describe, in detail, your border security policy that these "starving" people would respect.

384 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:09:09pm

It's quite amazing that "Juneteenth" "celebrations" should feature the same socially caustic behavior that is leaving the US was a large, black, near-permanent underclass. True civil rights leaders would be all over this, denouncing such behavior at every turn. Instead, we have race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson.

385 Cartman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:09:30pm

OT

BTW, "noone" is not really a component of the English language.

no one
–noun no person; not anyone; nobody: No one is home.

Also, no-one.


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[Origin: 1595–1605]


—Usage note See each.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

386 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:09:56pm
NoLimit 6/20/2007 12:05:00 pm PDT

They are at fault they are breaking the law...many of them claim to live by the bible...God said obey the laws of the land...they are at fault.

387 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:10:09pm

362 Spenser Oh, and the "screw the working class blah blah" was a paraphase on something James Baker supposedly said back in 1992 (?) about the you know who...

Just being silly and sarcastic this whole thread, to tell the truth.

388 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:10:16pm

#380 Grunt:

may have had an accent but it weren't no southern accent


Oh, I'm guessing they had very southern accents.

389 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:11:19pm

and may I ad one last thought?

not directed towards anyone.

I often attempt to evaluate my thoughts - is that consideration possibly sound or somewhat racially motivated? Sometimes I catch myself, sometimes not.

390 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:12:08pm

3686 ny Nana:

Like I said yesterday:


(a) Where is Egypt in all of this? Although the MSM refuses to mention in most cases, Gaza shares a border with two seperate countries. There is of course Israel, but there is also the co-Arab, co-Muslim, co-pro-Phakestinian; EGYPT.

(b) For years now we have been by the phakestinians, their supporters, Arab countries, Muslims countries, Jimmy Carter, Noam Chompsky, etc., that Israel is: a horrible country trying to murder every last palestinian, running them from their land, commiting genocide, eats their babies, drinks Arab blood, are just like the Nazis, are treating them like the Jews during ww2, etc. SO WHY EXACTLY ARE THESE PEOPLE RUNNING TO ISRAEL BEFORE EGYPT FOR PROTECTION?

If Israel is the "Nazis", and the palestinians the "Jews", wouldn't their begging to get into Israel be like the actual Jews of WW2 leaving the Ghetto and begging to be let into Aushwitz?

This prooves that even the Arabs know that the B.S. they have been feeding the World, to justify their desire to murder Jews is complete NONSENSE!

(c) Where are their Arab bretheren during all this? They bitch & bitch & bitch & complain and accuse Israel of all sorts of horrible...but when their "poor phakestinian brothers" actually need their help they refuse to raise a finger! I don't see an outpouring of support from the Arab world for these people. The only support being offered to the civilians is from Israel and the rest of the West. Additionally, where the Arabs are stepping in to help it is to provide money and resources to the individuals committing the massacre! (ie: hamas)

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ISRAEL AND HER SUPPORTERS SHOULD BE SAYING TO EVERYONE DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE.

The Arab world has turned her back on her "bretheren" and when the realize it is truly life or death...the Phakestinians RUN TO ISRAEL FOR HELP!

391 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:13:05pm

Sorry Funky if I mis-read you. That Rove comment sounded a bit stretched from reality. I do think nolimit is a troll trying to push buttons, however.

392 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:13:21pm
393 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:13:54pm

#333 Tricky Dick

U.S.-Iraqi offensive yields results

Largest US military operation since the initial invasion in 2003 and yet we have near complete media silence on it. Why is that? Is it because Harry Reid already declared the war in Iraq is lost? Is it because Reid already stated he would not believe General Petraeus' reports if he said the US is succeeding?

394 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:14:06pm
#383 Rin
#377 nolimit

so, in your opinion, what would be "locking the door"? please describe, in detail, your border security policy that these "starving" people would respect.

___


it might look like this

395 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:14:22pm

357 abu garcia ROFLOL heheeh

just like the fancy china.

396 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:14:23pm
397 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:14:32pm

375 Silhouette 6/20/2007 12:04:43 pm PDT

Yeah, the thought that you are looking at his documentation for some of the biggest issue in the history of time was pretty surreal.

To see his place and time, his address, number of children, etc.

398 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:15:08pm
356 Occasional Reader 6/20/2007 11:54:26 am PDT


That rocks. Nice work.

399 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:15:42pm
400 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:15:53pm

I still don't understand what is so hard about building a fence across the entire border, doubling or tripling the number of border agents (and maybe freeing those railroaded to prison for doing their jobs), adding high tech sensors, UAVs and the such, and maybe building some camps to detain those caught sneaking across, before thinking of what to do with the twelve million illegals.


Maybe some long, tortuous path to citizenship, that puts them behind legal applicants, not ahead, may eventually be required to "bring them out of the shadows". But lets not give what amounts to amnesty before we secure the borders.

401 Silhouette  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:15:57pm

Journal of the American Medical Association

In the 2003 sample from low-income, rural regions of Mexico, the combined prevalence of overweight and obesity was nearly 60% in women and more than 50% in men (Table 1), which was slightly lower than the prevalence found in the nationally representative sample from 2000 (67% in women and 61% in men). However, this difference was not significant.
402 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:17:15pm

Spenser - before we label - we usually click-on the blue "name thing" above, to see what's what. Try it.

403 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:18:21pm
#389 NoLimit 6/20/2007 12:11:19 pm PDT

and may I ad one last thought?

not directed towards anyone.

I often attempt to evaluate my thoughts - is that consideration possibly sound or somewhat racially motivated? Sometimes I catch myself, sometimes not.

I hope you recognize by my post back to you, I did/was not claiming troll status, or trying to insult you.

It was not the intention of my post.

404 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:20:00pm

Must read column:

Hamas and the Second Six Day War: Implications, Challenges, and Opportunities

by Robert Satloff

Hamas's victory over Fatah in six days of fighting -- a second Six Day War -- serves as a clarifying moment for the Middle East, a pivotal event that is characterized not only by dark clouds but also by potential silver linings.

405 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:20:50pm

393 Kenneth I'd guess because our guys rescued the starving, handicapped orphan boys instead of firing back at the mortar crews that were working from the roof of the orphanage?

The MSM knows we'll make a mistake and hit some civilian/human shields eventually. No hurry.

406 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:21:14pm

got nolimit all mad.


Is it just me or does it seem as if someone put hot rub in nolimit's bloomers today? :^)

407 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:21:28pm

392 PLOOME, etc.

I commented on this a couple days ago on the Jimmy Carter shills for Hamas thread.

If you notice, the "message" of the ISM, Jimmy Carter, etc., is exactly the same.

As I stated then, I do not believe that this "message" is a coincidence. It is my belief that the message is concerted and organized propaganda coming directly from the Phakestinians.

Before this message was spouted by the big guns, in formal press releases, it had already made its way onto chat rooms, youth web sites, You Tube, etc.

The odd thing about this message was its similarity in tone, words, etc., as the ones from "other posters" on other sites.

This "message" was then presented in the Arab media, etc.

I hate to sound conspiratorial but I imagine that if one were to do some investigative reporting they would find that this "message" is part of a larger Pan-Arab, Pro-Terrorist/Phakestinian campaign, and the posters, commentators, etc., are working off a master blueprint/script.

408 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:21:36pm
Three people were lightly wounded and at least seven others reported in shock after a barrage of five Kassam rockets hit the western Negev on Wednesday evening, bringing the day's total rocket hits to eight.

Three rockets landed within the Sderot city limits. Two people were lightly wounded by shrapnel and had to be evacuated by Magen David Adom paramedics to Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon. Several others were reportedly in shock


This makes mad...the United States of America needs to let Israel fight back...stop fooling around with Abbas and his terriost thugs...or pay the price. [Link: www.jpost.com...]

409 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:22:42pm

400 Ed In all seriousness...of course that's what we should do.

The fact that nobody in either party with a national presence can get that done is baffling.

410 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:23:12pm

Also interesting,

Hamas's Coup and the Challenges Ahead for Fatah

By Mohammad Yaghi and Ben Fishman
June 19, 2007

Hamas's victory in Gaza last week was a military coup of Fatah's security forces -- not a Palestinian civil war involving the majority of each faction's supporters. Fatah's armed forces collapsed in the face of a long-planned, well-executed campaign targeting the headquarters and leadership of the faction's security organizations. The coup and the grisly violence that accompanied it reveal much about Hamas's politics and long-term objectives as a movement.

The triumph occurred largely due to the weakness of Fatah's leadership, which failed to mobilize the faction's superior numbers to stave off the assaults or organize any kind of counteroffensive. When formulating policy responses to the Hamas victory, the United States and its partners must recognize that no level of support for Fatah will enable the organization to defeat Hamas in the political arena if it does not undertake long-overdue reforms, including the overhaul of its inept leadership. The new emergency government headed by economist Salam Fayad is technocratic rather than political, so reforming Fatah will not be among its many missions. Such reform will instead have to be pursued in parallel with whatever steps are taken to bolster the new cabinet.

411 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:23:50pm
412 Tricky Dick  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:24:07pm
345 lawhawk

OT:
Al Qaeda scum nailed in Afghanistan?

While the media is focusing on the fact that kids were killed in an airstrike, note who the target was, and it's possible that we got him.

U.S. special operations forces were targeting the leader of al-Qaida in Afghanistan — one of the organization’s top commanders — when they launched an attack against a compound that killed seven children Sunday in Paktika province of eastern Afghanistan, U.S. officials tell NBC News.
According to several officials, and contrary to previous statements, the U.S. military knew there were children at the compound but considered the target of such high value it was worth the risk of potential collateral damage.
Those same officials tell NBC News the target of Sunday’s attack was Abu Laith al Libi, the al-Qaida commander in Afghanistan and a top lieutenant of Osama bin Laden. The sources report that although six sets of remains besides those of the seven children were recovered, it’s not clear whether Abu Laith is among those killed….

The attack involved a new weapon as well

I guess the media's too dense to put together 2 and 2. That is, on the same day a video was released by al-qeada showing the suicide bomber graduation that had kids as young as 12 in it. Yo, MSM, get a clue, the kids are combatants too,

413 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:24:29pm
414 Victor  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:25:25pm

#377 NoLimit 6/20/2007 12:05:00 pm PDT

"The entirety of this problem has been and still is so easily solvable by simply closing the door. I find it ridiculous to blame the illegal for coming here. That's been my whole point - nothing more."

NoLimit's "whole point" is entirely correct. Put out the welcome mat for criminals and they'll come in. It's not even right to blame our government -- we elected them.

When "we the people" find the moral clarity, self confidence, and will to defend our laws and our borders this problem will be solved. Not before. Put the blame where it belongs.

415 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:25:40pm
The entirety of this problem has been and still is so easily solvable by simply closing the door. I find it ridiculous to blame the illegal for coming here. That's been my whole point - nothing more.


Your presentation of sarcasm is a little whack. Also, we're not really blaming the people that are here for being here, we're blaming them for raping our services, taking jobs from us and after all that, demanding full rights. That's what ticks us off a bit.

416 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:26:27pm

388 OR actually, I'm going for European accents. Well, with a slight modification for dialect. :-)

417 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:27:16pm

I'm sorry formercorpsman. With all the back & forth I failed to respond to your post. As Shawn Hannity says:

Your grandfather is/was a Great American

Thank you for your inclusion of his story.

418 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:27:46pm

Outrageous statement of the day:

Hamas doesn't want trouble with Israel but won't be the Jewish state's "protector" and will retaliate if attacked

419 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:28:03pm
Iranian Ayatollah: Hizbullah must prepare for 'Israel's revenge'


Published: 06.20.07, 22:05 / Israel News

The Ayatollah Safi Golpayegani, one of the most senior religious figures in Iran, called on Hizbullah to brace itself for "Israel's revenge," reported Iranian news agency Mahar.

Golpayegani met with Hizbullah leader Sheikh Akram Barakat and said that "the failure in the last war was very humiliating for the Israelis, they were caught by surprise then and if they want to make up for it they can." (Dudi Cohen)


[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

420 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:28:09pm

415 Sponge the drunk driving is a bit irritating too.

421 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:28:57pm

#405 funky chicken

The MSM knows we'll make a mistake and hit some civilian/human shields eventually. No hurry.

That's when they will report on it, and that is all they will report.

422 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:29:09pm
nolimit

OK, not a troll, but a provocative button-pusher, maybe? See your comments in the #300's. Seems like you're workin' it this afternoon, (not that there's anything wrong with that).

423 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:30:05pm
#400 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet


here-here. I raise my glass to you Mr. Sock Puppet.

424 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:30:09pm

Hammas has won.

Allah Ackbar.

425 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:30:21pm

414 Victor So, your advice is to just bend over and grab our ankles until 2008? Just stop the silly phone calls to our elected representatives, because, hey, we deserve whatever they dish out?

wowie

426 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:31:09pm

#406 MrMom
From what i can tell Nolimit is making a valid point and being called a troll for it. I can understand the frustration.

427 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:31:25pm
428 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:31:50pm

hamas, shiite

429 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:33:25pm

#373 MrMom

I didn't mean to sound flip. Just makes me so angry, if I don't deal with it in a light-hearted fashion, it really will make me seethe. Good link, BTW.

You didn't sound flip...it also makes me furious. As a Jew, sadly we are used to the arabs trying to throw Jews out of the Jewish homeland with the Big Lie. To see the Christians, who have a right to live freely in Israel, and who now are being driven out by these same arabs, makes me feel like kicking ass..the arabs reached their sell by date centuries ago, and to see misguided Jews and Christians defend them? Incomprehensible. Imagine if we all did to them what they are doing? The world pretty much turns their back, thinking that this is not their problem. Sadly, they forget 9/11, London, Madrid, Beslan, the Phillipines, and too many other massacres to recall..

The commonality to all of these is one death cult that calls itself islam..you are spot-on.

#380 Wrath

Excellent post. Thanks for what you said...

This part? The answer: they know which side their pita has t'china on.

(b) For years now we have been by the phakestinians, their supporters, Arab countries, Muslims countries, Jimmy Carter, Noam Chompsky, etc., that Israel is: a horrible country trying to murder every last palestinian, running them from their land, commiting genocide, eats their babies, drinks Arab blood, are just like the Nazis, are treating them like the Jews during ww2, etc. SO WHY EXACTLY ARE THESE PEOPLE RUNNING TO ISRAEL BEFORE EGYPT FOR PROTECTION?

430 Sponge  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:34:14pm
420 funky chicken 6/20/2007 12:28:09 pm PDT

415 Sponge the drunk driving is a bit irritating too.


The list could've been much longer, and should've AT LEAST included the brave law enforcement officers that have lost their lives in the line of duty BECAUSE of and at the HAND of the starving illegals, but felt the conversation was already too enflamed to trek that way. I'll try harder next time...

431 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:34:27pm

Wow. My son's watching "Ulrike VS the Romans" I think Ulrike was a female leader of some barbarian horde.

You go girl!

My son just asked who won. Anybody know?

432 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:35:21pm

430 sponge LOL just being silly again

433 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:35:25pm
415 Sponge 6/20/2007

Your presentation of sarcasm is a little whack.

Well that's an opinion.


Also, we're not really blaming the people that are here for being here, we're blaming them for raping our services, taking jobs from us and after all that, demanding full rights. That's what ticks us off a bit.


Too many folks are blaming them for being here. I consider that misdirected blame.

Just a side note: I am fully against the present form of this bill. Amnesty before a border is wrong. Re-unification of family is wrong!

434 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:36:16pm
435 jamgarr  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:37:07pm

There's quite a bit of argument going on here that seems to me to be about the difference between "explanation" and "justification". Lax enforcement of existing laws and failure to enact thougher laws does help to explain the mess we are in. It does not, however, provide justification to those who choose to break the law.

436 missouri boy  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:37:08pm

431 f c

The small Roman force slaughters all of them.

437 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:37:11pm

Thank you Spenser

438 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:38:19pm

Oh, maybe Ulrike/Ulrika was some kind of Norman/British barbarian?

My son "hey, those are high tech barbarians"

LOL

439 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:39:58pm

Boudica?

Boudica (also spelled Boudicca, formerly better known as Boadicea) (d. 60/61) was a queen of the Brythonic Celtic Iceni people of Norfolk in Eastern Britain who led a major uprising of the tribes against the occupying forces of the Roman Empire.

440 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:40:15pm

436 missouri boy eh, it was hard being a barbarian I guess.

441 Victor  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:40:57pm

"New York Times Shills for Hamas"

That liberals side with America's enemies is old news. Liberals hate America because it's a racist, sexist, homophobic, imperialist, capitalist, warmongering, environment destroying cancerous blight on the planet. It must be destroyed. Any and every likely vehicle must be rigged with explosives and driven into it:

-- Communism/socialism
-- Multi-culturalism
-- Liberalism
-- Islamism
-- Trans-nationalism
-- Environmentalism
-- Open borders

We have enemies. And half of them are us.

442 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:41:56pm

439 PK YES! That's it! Of course the History Channel has her cast as a lovely, buxom redhead in a nice, somewhat revealing top.

LOL

443 formercorpsman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:42:37pm
#433 NoLimit 6/20/2007 12:35:25 pm PDT


I think what is going through the minds of most folks who hear your point of view, and wan't to rationalize your opinion, becomes very hard to parse with the visual graphic of them protesting in the streets, regardless of the hand who fed them.

Again, I feel it is the loss of what our values were when we had to pull our own weight, and not to burden someone else.

As a group of people, a disproportionate number feel it is their right to have all of this, at the same time they are breaking the law.

I assign blame to our officials just like you do. However, I refuse to exonerate personal behaviour.

444 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:43:14pm
SO WHY EXACTLY ARE THESE PEOPLE RUNNING TO ISRAEL BEFORE EGYPT FOR PROTECTION?

Well, no doubt they prefer ISraelis to the tender mercies of theri egyptian borthers, but in point of fact, egypt has sealed its gaza border to refugees since last week.

HAd they sealed it to weapons flow, this situation may not have arisen.

If I were in charge in Israel, I would do everything in my power to drag egypt back into responsibility for the egyptians who today call themselves gazans.

445 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:43:27pm

431 funky chicken

I have never heard of a barbarian queen named Ulrike, but there was this woman I met in a bar in Dusseldorf...

446 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:43:59pm
Tacitus and Dio agree that Boudica was of royal descent. Dio says that she was "possessed of greater intelligence than often belongs to women", that she was tall, had long red hair down to her hips, a harsh voice and a piercing glare, and habitually wore a large golden necklace (perhaps a torc), a many-coloured tunic and a thick cloak fastened by a brooch.
447 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:44:55pm

#429 NY Nana

The thing that most amazes me, my Jewish sister (I'm Catholic) is how the Israelis treat the Palis in the manner of the "new law"...the Jews feed their hungry, heal their sick, offer protection to the 'innocent' among them and yet the Palis want nothing but to murder the nation of Israel. Truly, in the eyes of God, I have to believe that Israel is loving not only her neighbor, brother and friend, but enemy also.
And for all of that, Israel is villified by the press, politicians, etc. MADDENING!

448 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:45:01pm

#404 kenneth:

I disagree that this was simply a six day war. Hamas and Fatah are still fighting, both each other and Israel. It's just settled down into a dull roar in the background while the next chapter is being written.

449 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:45:12pm

Hey wait:

Tacitus and Dio agree that Boudica was of royal descent. Dio says that she was "possessed of greater intelligence than often belongs to women", that she was tall, had long red hair down to her hips, a harsh voice and a piercing glare, and habitually wore a large golden necklace (perhaps a torc), a many-coloured tunic and a thick cloak fastened by a brooch

Can't blame her:

Boudica (also spelled Boudicca, formerly better known as Boadicea) (d. 60/61) was a queen of the Brythonic Celtic Iceni people of Norfolk in Eastern Britain who led a major uprising of the tribes against the occupying forces of the Roman Empire.

Her husband, Prasutagus, the Icenian king, who had ruled as a nominally independent ally of Rome, had left his kingdom jointly to his daughters and the Roman Emperor in his will, but when he died his will was ignored, possibly because the Romans, unlike the Britons, did not recognise daughters as heirs. The kingdom was annexed as if conquered, Boudica was flogged and her daughters raped, and Roman financiers called in their loans.

450 bulwrk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:45:47pm

#345


The attack involved a new weapon as well.

[Link:www.army-technology.com...]

451 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:46:59pm
452 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:47:38pm

444 Maine's Michael:

It doesn't surprise me that we agree but on this point:

If I were in charge in Israel, I would do everything in my power to drag egypt back into responsibility for the egyptians who today call themselves gazans.

We agree 100%.

I'd go one step further and drag Jordan back in in regards to Judea and Samaria. The reason that the Phakestinains are Israel's problem is that "they have nowhere else to go". When they have somewhere else to go, or someone else who is better situated to deal with them (co-Arabs, co-Muslims, co-Phakestinian) such as Jordan or Egypt, this problem can be resolved.

Additionally, with those two countries there are already a goverment and army that is well organized and experienced to deal with the Terrorism that is the root cause to the Israel-Phakestinian issue of the larger Arab-Israel conflict.

453 missouri boy  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:48:00pm

440 funky c

That is an interesting show. Watch and see how Romans with about 10,000 kill the barbarians with 300,000+

Our boys today have even better schemes at killing the enemy, but are never allowed to go "ROMAN" on them, because we fight "nice wars"

*spit*

454 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:48:36pm

Take home message: don't piss off the tall redhead.

455 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:49:09pm

Great political cartoon of Condi and Bush...

hat tip: YozhikVTumane

456 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:50:38pm

453 missouri boy Sigh too true

BGB had a good link about that above, I think.

457 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:51:17pm

#448 lawhawk

Perhaps the author used that phrase for dramatic effect, but the active fighting took 6 days. By comparison, since the Arab-Israeli Six Day War, there has not exactly been peace either. It's good essay and should be read by everybody here. This is a watershed event. History is not made by diplomats, it's made by war and merely noted by diplomats.

458 Victor  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:53:18pm

#425 funky chicken 6/20/2007 12:30:21 pm PDT

"414 Victor So, your advice is to just bend over and grab our ankles until 2008? Just stop the silly phone calls to our elected representatives, because, hey, we deserve whatever they dish out?"

Not at all. Understanding the nature of the problem is fundamental to fixing it. We made the problem by being liberals. We can unmake it by rejecting liberalism.

Easier said, I know.

459 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:56:35pm

458 Victor Ah, gotcha. I believe you and I agreed a while back that GW Bush is a liberal, but had fooled lots of people into believing he was a conservative because he is opposed to abortion and most stem cell research.

If he's not a liberal, he's at the very least a country club republican of no real political philosophy, IMHO.

460 Tricky Dick  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:57:08pm

Antiwar groups in Quebec getting ready to protest Afghan mission

Afghanistan-bound troops from Quebec are getting a grand sendoff before heading off to the wartorn country, but citizens and politicans alike aren't thrilled with their imminent departure.
A coalition of social and antiwar groups from across the province will protest during the parade honouring the Royal 22nd Regiment on Friday in Quebec City
.

Now witness the useful idiot/moonbat double speak.

Coalition members say their presence is not aimed at protesting against the troops themselves, but the politicians who are allowing the soldiers to go to Afghanistan.

Then they go on to say...

"When we found out there was a military parade, we decided it would be a good opportunity to show the population, the military and politicians the opposition to this mission," said Maxim Fortin, a spokesman for the War on War Coalition.

The troops are the military you dimwits.

461 lobo91  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:57:18pm

#450 bulwrk:

The only thing that was really "new" in that attack was the particular rocket variant itself:

The Lockheed Martin GMLRS rocket has a GPS (global positioning system) and inertial guidance package and small canards on the rocket nose to enhance accuracy. GMLRS completed System Development and Demonstration (SDD) tests in December 2002 and entered low-rate initial production in April 2003.

Initial Operating Capability (IOC) is planned for 2006, but the system has been operationally deployed since September 2005 in Iraq. The GMLRS is an international programme involving UK, Italy, France and Germany as well as the US. The industrial team includes Diehl, MBDA and FiatAvio.

First deliveries of a unitary variant of GMLRS, with a single 81.6 kg (180 lb) warhead, developed by General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems, and a range of up to 70 km were in May 2005. In October 2003, Lockheed Martin was awarded an SDD contract for 86 unitary variant rockets, to last until 2007.

The HIMARS system itself isn't particularly groundbreaking technology. It's basically half an MLRS launcher mounted on a truck chassis, instead of an extended Bradley chassis. Other than the drivetrain, and the reduced ammo load, it's the same system.

462 coz  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:57:53pm

3+ hours later and same thread!

still on topic?

463 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:58:22pm

453 MO boy thanks for the warning. Once the wholesale slaughter started I made the kiddo turn it off.

Gotta go everybody :-)

Sorry Charles and Stinky for derailing the thread...

464 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:58:25pm
James Woolsey states some obvious truths...As for dealing with radical Muslims living in the United States, Woolsey suggested they be treated in a similar way as Communists were during the Cold War.Americans, he said, are reluctant to interfere with anything of a religious nature, and there is a lot of difficulty in sorting out who is a threat, he said.

Woolsey would classify any Muslim who seeks to establish religious dictatorship as the enemy, in much the same way good socialists and bad socialists were distinguished in the 1950s.

The U.S constitution prevented the outlawing of the American Communist party, but “we caused it enough trouble that it stopped being a force,” he said.

Why can't someone in office say that? [Link: jihadwatch.org...]

465 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:59:29pm

455 Ny Nana;

Great cartoon, but it brings up a question for me.

Why in the world does the West care if Gaza is Hamastan and Judea and Samaria is Fatastan (presuming that it won't be Israel or the state of Judea)?

466 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 12:59:48pm

Funky
Bush, all the Bush's are patrician elitists. You can see that in how they operate. They have some good policies that please conservatives, and during elections they make the right noises. But then they get into office and they surprise you. Foisting this immigration reform on us is only the latest example.

467 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:00:02pm

#447 MrMom

I always wanted a brother! I was an 'only'...

the Jews feed their hungry, heal their sick, offer protection to the 'innocent' among them and yet the Palis want nothing but to murder the nation of Israel. Truly, in the eyes of God, I have to believe that Israel is loving not only her neighbor, brother and friend, but enemy also.
And for all of that, Israel is villified by the press, politicians, etc. MADDENING!


Re what Israel has done, seeking no publicity? I have posted this before, but it illustrates so well what Israel has done, and will keep on doing, despite the hate thrown at it by so much of the world.

It is a part of Judaism and Christianity to help our neighbor...rather that annihilate them.

Comparatively, Jews are a tiny portion of the worlds' population..IIRC, we have yet to grow back to pre-Holocaust numbers.

468 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:02:45pm
469 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:04:59pm
470 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:05:04pm

Girdle your Lions.

471 Atman  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:05:04pm

OT:
Hello, All.
SongBird are you here...

472 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:06:06pm

Tax
Heavy use of caps eh? Are you channeling American Infidel?

473 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:06:17pm
474 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:08:26pm

Sail Away... Duh, Duh!

475 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:08:27pm
476 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:09:12pm
477 zuckerlilly  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:09:19pm

Florida Legislature Takes Money Away from Rogue Nations


Last Friday, Florida Governor Charlie Crist sat in a Boca synagogue and signed a bill which he says will help fight genocide in Sudan and terrorism in Iran. Crist also says Florida is the first state to pass legislation like this.

Crist signed a bill titled, "The Protecting Florida's Investment Act," which will prevent pension funds from being invested in the Sudanese government, who some say is responsible for 400,000 deaths and 2.5 million displaced in the western region of Darfur and Iran and who supports terrorism. The bill passed in May through the state legislating bodies unanimously.

Crist said Iran is the world's "leading terrorist and we will not stand idly by," but a majority of the day was spent talking about Darfur.

478 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:11:31pm

PEACEKEEPER IS A DHIMMIFIED DHIMMI FROM DHIMMITOWN!

479 Victor  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:12:51pm

#459 funky chicken 6/20/2007 12:56:35 pm PDT

"458 Victor Ah, gotcha. I believe you and I agreed a while back that GW Bush is a liberal, but had fooled lots of people into believing he was a conservative because he is opposed to abortion and most stem cell research.

'Zactly

"If he's not a liberal, he's at the very least a country club republican of no real political philosophy, IMHO.

Oh, he's a liberal. A right liberal, if you like -- a compassionate "conservative". Meaning he accepts liberal premises, but just wants to go slower into the liberal utopia. He throws a bone or two to his troglodyte right-wing vigilante, know-nothing racist base -- you know, regular Americans -- because you still have to to get elected, unfortunately. But actually he despises them.

The joke is that we didn't even notice this because we've all been drinking the liberal kool-aid for 50 years. It's in the air, water, and earth, and we all want to be good little liberals and not evil racist bastards and thrown out of polite society. So every last man-jack & jill of our elected leaders reflects our own submission to the new religion of liberalism. It's the liberal kool-aid that's killing us.

Stop drinking idiotic.

480 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:13:23pm

Beaten-up Kuwaiti envoy to fly home

A Kuwaiti diplomat who was beaten as he left his country's embassy in Tehran will be flown home for treatment on Wednesday...

Mohammed Al Zobi, the second secretary at the Kuwaiti Embassy in the Iranian capital, was attacked on Tuesday by "six people who beat him severely," said the official.

Lets not kid ourselves about what's going on here.

The Iranian Regime is commissioning and have already committed Acts of War with complete impunity. Who's to stop them with anything more than some harshly worded condemnation? If that.

...and our government quakes, cowers.

481 lobo91  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:13:43pm

#464 Storagemanager:

As for dealing with radical Muslims living in the United States, Woolsey suggested they be treated in a similar way as Communists were during the Cold War.

I've been saying that for awhile now, particularly when it comes to Muslims who work for the government or are in the military.

If they're Americans who happen to be Muslim, that's their business.

If, on the other hand, their primary loyalties lie with the Muslim ummah, they should be barred from any type of sensitive occupations.

There's still a question on the military enlistment form that asks if an applicant is a member of an organization that seeks to overthrow the US government by extra-Constitutional means. It was put in there as a way to weed out Communists, but I see no reason it wouldn't apply equally well to those with Islamist views.

482 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:14:21pm

Kitmann and Taqquiya!

483 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:14:39pm

#451 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks, read it!

484 abu_garcia  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:15:02pm

#466 Peacekeeper

Bush, all the Bush's are patrician elitists. You can see that in how they operate. They have some good policies that please conservatives, and during elections they make the right noises. But then they get into office and they surprise you. Foisting this immigration reform on us is only the latest example.

I think there's truth in that, but I think W is sincere about his evangelical beliefs, unlike his Episcopal father. I'm don't think his brand of evangelicalism, e.g. reforming the ME through democracy, millions of Mexicans assimilating to the superior American Way, is very rational or good for us, but I think he's sincere.

When GHWB tried to play up to Fallwell in '92 it rang about as hollow as anything I've ever heard from a politician.

485 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:15:31pm
486 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:15:36pm

#465 Wrath

Why in the world does the West care if Gaza is Hamastan and Judea and Samaria is Fatastan (presuming that it won't be Israel or the state of Judea)?


Wrath...the world doesn't give a damn, and the places that the arabs occupy are Israeli land. That is the whole problem, in a nutshell...they have no claim to even one grain of sand..the Big Lie lives.

Right now? The goverment of Israel is trying, under the non-leadership, of Olmert and Peres *spit* to commit suicide.

487 vxbush  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:15:48pm

454 funky

My sister has red hair. You don't piss off any redhead, in my experience.

488 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:15:52pm

#467 NY Nana LOL!
There were 9 of us...embodiment of the stereotype! (We would have loved to have you)
"It is a part of Judaism and Christianity to help our neighbor" Exactly. My point being the Jewish people go above and beyond that to loving (in practice, not just words) their enemy.
Also, thanks for the link.

489 jayzee  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:16:11pm

When will Hillary Clinton be giving Ahmed Yousef a hug and a kiss? When will Jimmy "The Scumbag" Carter invite him over for dinner?

490 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:16:22pm

Unrelated to Rudy Giuliani's bad judgement about people like Bernard Kerik, his support of not even a RINO Michael Bloomberg, his contributions to Planned Parenthood or his hostility to the Second Amendment.


Fresh questions/bad news about Rudy from Captain's Quarters

As I said this morning, the Stalin in a Pantsuit is so bad I'd vote for a potted plant or John McCain if they wind up with the GOP nod, but I hope Giuliani isn't the Republican candidate.

491 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:16:25pm

NY NANA, MAINE'S MICHAEL, ANY ANY OTHER PRO SETTLER INDIVIDUALS

please contact me at WrathofG-d@hotmail.com. I have an idea I would like to run past you all.

492 Silhouette  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:17:15pm

#460 Tricky Dick

The troops are the military you dimwits.

In the LLL mind, troops are killing and raping civilians, torturing captives, and busting into homes terrorizing old ladies.

AT THE SAME TIME, they are ignorant dupes of Bush, and only enlisted because they were stupid and couldn't get better jobs.

But above all, the LLL respect them and want the best for them.


/

493 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:18:04pm

Lord, how I miss that nut.

494 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:18:12pm
495 3 wood  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:19:26pm

The anti-Semites are at it again at HuffPo (as if they ever really stop?). In their thread about Gaza is the following bath of hate, bigotry and more hate. First one out of the box gets right to it:

yappnmutt
nuke israel for peace in the middle east and $10/barrel oil

followed shortly by:

macready
Israel must be stopped . . . last summer for two kidnapped Israeli soldiers they invaded Lebanon and killed over 1,000 people . . . there needs to be an international blockade against Israel.

ammobob: in retaliation for a rocket fired by Hamas which may or may not kill . . . Israel strikes back with disproportionate force killing many . . .Israel is the real problem in the Middle East . .. the UN and the West have to stop Israel . . . it is a sure bet that like last summer the neo-con WH is supplying them will all they need to kill and cause further suffering and fighting in the Middle East.

Israel is the enemy!

and:

DonR
3. ammobob
Buried in the post is the fact that HAMAS was launching rockets into Israel again before the airstrike. Also, Israeli undercover troops were fired on (not so undercover, I guess) before the tanks rolled in. How do you say provocation? "

---

Damn right the kikeys provoked the trouble

I agree with the first poster - wipe out Pissrael and the kikeys in order to achieve peace in the world

followed up with more insights fromt he same genius:

DonR
16. opus110
ISRAEL FIRES MISSILES SENDS TANKS...

then at the very end end of paragraph 5(!)

"...which came in retaliation for militant rocket fire on Israel."

Obviously tailor-made for Huffpo crowd who don't read past paragraph one.
This is a great time for combined Israeli/Palestinin/Egyptian force to wipe Hamastan and their supporters off the face of the earth. Egyptians are doing their share by sealing border with Hamastan and beefing up their forces their. Fatah is arresting Hamas in the West Bank. Nice.

Let's hurry up. 'cause Iran is desperately trying to smuggle in more weapons.

Kiss your bum good bye Islamist-fundamentalist scum.

Stayed tuned for Osama bin Laden to issue a statement in support for Hamastan

---

Last time the "mighty" kikey military took on Islamist forces, the Islamists smashed up the kikeys' long hooked noses and sent the kikeys running as fast as their fat kikey legs could carry them back into Pissrael

And Hamas just kicked the shit out of Fatah with zero problems !

so Cletus you fat little piece of inbred kikey trailer trash - when can we expect to see you parachute into Gaza to take on Hamas - or do you have "serious other priorities" like the rest of the loud mouthed yellow bellied kikey trash (mention no name Kike kikeberman, Tom Kiketos, Gary AcKIKEman, Diane Kikestein)

Just another example of what the left really is like.

496 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:20:51pm

She made me feel like an All Star.

497 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:21:30pm
484 abu_garcia 6/20/2007 1:15:02 pm PDT ...I think there's truth in that, but I think W is sincere about his evangelical beliefs

He doesn't seem to understand Prophecy in regards to Israel..thats for sure.

499 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:22:34pm
500 Tricky Dick  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:24:12pm

#427 Iron Fist 6/20/2007 12:31:25 pm PDT

#412 Tricky Dick,

I wonder what age the "children" actually are. Kind of like when they cite "children" killed with guns, they always include 19 year old crack dealers shot in the course of their business.

This story says as young as 12 but I've seen the estimate to be as young as 10 elsewhere. And they were Taliban/Al Qaeda. It's beyond the realm of possibilty that some of the children killed were the same ones in the video.

Teams assigned to carry out attacks in the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany were introduced at an al Qaeda/Taliban training camp graduation ceremony held June 9. A Pakistani journalist was invited to attend and take pictures as some 300 recruits, including boys as young as 12, were supposedly sent off on their suicide missions.

501 bulwrk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:24:15pm

#468/song_and_dance_man


Syria Is To Send Iran Air Defence Systems From Russia

Syria has agreed to send Iran at least 10 air defence systems that the government in Damascus is buying from Russia, Jane's Defence Weekly reported in its latest edition. Moscow has agreed to sell Damascus some 50 Pantsyr-S1E self-propelled short-range gun and missile air defence systems for an estimated 730 million dollars (542 million euros), the authoritative magazine said, quoting a source close to the deal.

502 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:24:40pm

Interesting factoid about Ciudad Juarez. The only fatality ever associated with an earthquake in Texas, didn't happen in Texas. A small earthquake in 1923, estimated at 4.7 magnitude, causes an adobe home to collapse in Juarez, killing a man.


Yes, people die in Texas from tornadoes, killer bee attacks, and flash floods.


But not earthquakes. Or alligators.

503 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:24:49pm

495 3 wood

What's a "kikey"?

504 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:24:52pm

Here's a truly lovely song in Spanish, although the video quality is lousy. Just sharing here. Because it's nice to share.

505 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:25:52pm

So, five more kassams struck Sderot today. Those rockets hit a power pole, knocking out power for a bit, and injured two Israelis. The media takes a powder, and instead will focus on Israel's response (which might come sooner than the terrorists had thought). The NY Times thinks that Israel's response is an escalation when it goes after the terrorists firing rockets against Israel.

Wonder what they'll come up with next? I don't. They'll simply recycle the same articles. It's far easier than trying to report the facts as they are - that Hamas and Fatah are two sides of he same coin of terrorism, the terrorists continue to try and kill Israelis, and Israel has no choice but to eliminate the terrorists trying to kill Israeli civilians at every opportunity.

506 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:26:50pm

Isla Mujeres? The Island of Women? How do I get there?

507 vxbush  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:28:35pm

3 wood

Why do you go to HuffPo like that? I have no doubts as to what is over there, but I wonder why you constantly go over and review the current postings for us. To make sure we're aware of how insane the left is?

508 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:29:17pm

#468 song_and_dance_man

your link is to the raving nutjob website PrisonPlanet.com

I hope you aren't planning on posting links to it again.

509 Victor  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:29:22pm

#494 song_and_dance_man 6/20/2007 1:18:12 pm PDT

479 Victor

I may disagree with you but this is rotation title worthy:

"Stop drinking idiotic"

Indeed. Someone tell the Lizard Master.

;-)

510 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:30:25pm

#503 MandyManners 6/20/2007 1:24:49 pm PDT

495 3 wood

What's a "kikey"?

It's what a low-intelligenced bigot calls a Jewish person.

*spit*

511 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:31:20pm
512 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:33:31pm
Gunmen fire missile at Israeli armored vehicle in Gaza


Published: 06.20.07, 22:52 / Israel News

Palestinian gunmen fired Wednesday evening an anti-tank missile at an Israeli armored vehicle operating along the border with the Gaza Strip.

No injuries were reported but the vehicle was damaged. (Hanan Greenberg and Ali Waked)

Condi Rice runs to phen and calls Olmert...Whatever you do...DON'T SHOOT BACK. [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

513 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:33:44pm

#490 Ed Mahmoud
I think Fred is going to endorse a flat tax. If he does, I'm certainly going to have to stick with Rudy.

514 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:34:29pm

510 MrMom

Ah. I got it. But, where did it come from?

(I'm not trying to force people to use that word or to dredge up unpleasant history. I just want to know that word's background. I've not found anything in Google about it.)

515 ZionistYoungster  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:35:11pm

OT, again from the Grauniad. A thread on Darfur where disgusting examples of Mor-Eq (and other types of moonbattery) can be found:

Neoconned

Comment No. 649573

June 20 1:17
GBR

Smith -

**Since 2003, 2.5 million Africans have been driven from their homes and up to 400,000 murdered**

Horrendous. But that's a smaller number of refugees and a smaller number of casualties than in Iraq since we invaded in 2003. Where's James Smith's campaign against that war?

And how many Palestinians have been ethnically cleaned by Israel? About four million and rising. Where's James Smith's call for divestment from Israel?

[...]

JusticeIsMine

Comment No. 649584

June 20 1:26
GBR

»"Divesting in South Africa helped end apartheid. Now it can work on the Sudanese government to end its backing of ethnic cleansing in Darfur."«

Change the name "Darfur" for the name "Israel" and I would agree wholeheartedly!

[...]

timetomoveon

Comment No. 649589

June 20 1:36
GBR

The Aegis Trust seems to be overtly political if this article is representative as it focuses solely on the Khartoum Government without looking at the roots of the terrorist activities in South Sudan and Darfur region; instead Smith parrots the lines from UK, USA and Israel to deflect attention from what they are doing in the name of democracy as well as ethnic cleansing and genocide.

In Darfur the Government is retaliating against terrorism; in Iraq, Afghanistan and most particularly Palestine USA/UK and Israel have been the aggressors.

Should the Aegis Trust really want to be acceptable and effective perhaps it should identify the backers and suppliers of Israel and those involved in backing the terrorism in Sudan, not to do so indicates unusual partiality.

[...]

USAPEACE

Comment No. 649659

June 20 2:55
USA

Include Israel in your boycott of murderous countries, and I'm on you side. Otherwise its just more contribution to the double standards that define Western policy towards the Middle East.

[...]

timetomoveon

Comment No. 650302

June 20 11:57
GBR

Darfur is also suffering from climate change brought on we are liberally informed by USA, Chinese & other pollution, they have a drought which is partially the reason for conflict between various farming and nomadic elements.

It is very unfortunate that certain parties seek to destabilise this area through training, arming and supporting terrorism which the Khartoum Government them seeks to confront. While the USA/UK call for a free fly zone to prevent Sudanese Government forces seeking out the terrorists they in similar circumstances are bombing civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq and Israel does in the OTs.

It is about oil- in the south and now Darfur- and the Aegis Trust article looks to be skewed in its condemnation of just the Sudanese Government

@Lopakhin June 20, 2007 11:15 AM
"Yeah, but if I flee from or am ethnically cleansed by Israel, and I then have a child, then that doesn't mean that Israel ethnically cleansed the child too. And ditto if I then have grandchildren. Come on."

Well it does and also as Israel refuses to allow their return its an enduring ethnic cleansing- apart from the genocide in 1982 in Sabra and Shattila (see UNGA).

My commentary on all this? None forthcoming. I don't want this comment to be

[deleted]

/it is never too late to jump on the bandwagon

516 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:35:34pm
517 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:35:38pm

#513 Killgore:

endorse a flat tax. If he does, I'm certainly going to have to stick with Rudy.

I'm curious--why would that kick the decision over to Rudy for you?

518 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:36:02pm
23:28 `Army of Islam` vows to disclose Hamas cooperation in assassinations (Haaretz

Who the hell are they? [Link: www.haaretz.com...]

519 Durendal  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:38:46pm

Bibi is on Fox, showing why he isn't the answer. Israel is screwed

520 lawhawk  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:38:48pm

#518 storagemanager:

Army of Islam is the group alleged to be behind Alan Johnston's kidnapping.

521 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:38:49pm
522 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:40:03pm
520 lawhawk 6/20/2007 1:38:48 pm PDT

#518 storagemanager:

Army of Islam is the group alleged to be behind Alan Johnston's kidnapping.


Thank you..getting to be too many to keep track of.

523 MandyManners  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:40:17pm

Never mind. I put "" marks around the word and I've found something.

Strange what assholes will use as a slur.

524 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:40:45pm

I used to be on yahoo boards and I see Kos and Washington Post comments have the same kind of posters. Some of them try to pretend they care about the palestinians but they end up with calling Jews and Israelis nazis and have no real facts-they must all copy them from the same place. The one part they do get right is that Jews do run the world. there aren't that many of us so it is a heavy burden. Right, now I am running the BBC(I got them to use "militant" instead of just "fighter" and call Hamas a radical Islamist group - maybe next week, I can get "terrorist" used), all agricultural production in Central America and of course, the Federal Reserve Bank. We switch off so I can't wait to take over the NYT, Disney and the UN(you didn't think they could run it themselves,did you?)

525 3 wood  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:40:50pm

#507 vxbush

Why do you go to HuffPo like that? I have no doubts as to what is over there, but I wonder why you constantly go over and review the current postings for us. To make sure we're aware of how insane the left is?

Periodically we visited here by trolls from the left who put on airs of morale superiority. From time to time, I document that left wing hate speech trash here so the next time a troll shows up and wants to play, all you have to do is search my football for a ready supply of what their own side is like to show them.

Tends to make the trolls scatter like cockroaches.

526 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:42:05pm

Flat tax ?

I need more info.

527 MrMom  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:42:18pm

#514 Mandy
Not sure of the origin. Sorry. I only know that the people I've seen/heard use the term aren't in my social circle!

528 Durendal  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:42:55pm

#513 Killgore:

endorse a flat tax. If he does, I'm certainly going to have to stick with Rudy.


yes, i'd also like to know why a flat tax push would turn you off from a candidate. you must be a tax accountant?

529 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:42:55pm
530 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:42:57pm

#525 3 Wood

Same reason I've been lurking at the DNC Blog for three years.

531 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:44:18pm
532 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:44:22pm

#517 Occasional Reader
Flat tax is a disaster on par with socialized medicine. I do a lot of business in Europe and after talking to business owners there I can tell you flat tax would kill small businesses (like mine). Our current system is complicated but it's very friendly to small business, I would certainly have to shut down with a flat tax.
P.S. I've been self employed so long that I had a nightmare last week about having to get a job.

533 ZionistYoungster  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:44:22pm

#519 Durendal

We didn't need this Fox appearance to know Bibi isn't the answer. We already knew that from his impotent reign in 1996-8. He was then little better than Olmert is today.

Bibi isn't the answer, but Israel isn't screwed. The answer, humanly speaking, can be found by looking toward the Religious Zionist candidates. Those have no time for "pragmatic" nonsense or considerations of world opinion and international law.

534 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:44:46pm

I say do not let the Federal Government do payroll deductions for income tax purposes. Let people see the real cost of government every April 15. It'll cut down on those stupid useless social programs real fast.

535 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:45:26pm

495 3 wood

The anti-Semites are at it again at HuffPo (as if they ever really stop?) In their thread about Gaza is the following bath of hate, bigotry and more hate.

No, they don't, and here's why. The main three leftist sites are all facets of the Dark Side of the Force:

Fear - Kos
Anger - DU
Hate - HuffPo

I guess that "Pissed Off Vietnam Vet" guy is too drunk to post right now? He's usually in there foaming at the mouth anytime somebody mentions that little Jewish country that begins with "I".

If he's really a veteran, somebody needs to get him some help, because he always seems to be one stressful morning away from car-bombing a synagogue.

536 Jimash  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:45:54pm
Folks, I'm sorry so many don't get much of my sarcasm. The truth is:

The entirety of this problem has been and still is so easily solvable by simply closing the door. I find it ridiculous to blame the illegal for coming here. That's been my whole point - nothing more.


Ok I accept your apology ( for insulting my intelligence)
Now take the analogy further.
You left the door open. Because the streets are crawling with starving homeless people, one entred your home ( a crime whether you've locked up or not) and made himself comfy.
Now you have noticed his presence.
What do you do ?

537 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:45:59pm

Great report fropm Bill Roggio on recent US action in Iraq,

The Battle of Iraq – 2007

The operation in Baqubah is a microcosm of the larger operation in Diyala, while Diyala is one but one of three of the corps level operations. The same goal is shared across the three theaters: cordon the regions, trap and kill al Qaeda and clear the areas, and then move in security forces in for stability and reconstruction operations.

And the US is moving against Sadr's militia as well,

While the major offensive operation is occurring in the Baghdad Belts against al Qaeda and Sunni insurgent holdouts, major raids continue against Sadr's forces and the Iranian cells in Baghdad and the south. Two major engagements occurred against Sadr's forces since Monday -- one in Amara and one in Nasariyah. Scores of Mahdi Army fighters were killed during both engagements after Iraqi Special Operations Forces, backed by Coalition support, took on Sadr's forces.

538 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:46:44pm
539 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:46:54pm

#520 lawhawk

IIRC, they also take credit for the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit.

[...]The Army of Islam said in a statement Wednesday that Shalit is in Hamas’ sole custody at present, adding that the group led by Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh is using the hostage in its bid to retain control of the government.[...]

There is code for any blogger to post a picture on the side bar of their blog..

540 Durendal  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:47:12pm

#532 Killgore Trout

you must be joking.

541 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:47:13pm
542 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:47:19pm

#526 mama winger
In the US they call it "Fair Tax" to distance it from it's disastrous European doppleganger.

543 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:48:12pm
544 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:49:37pm

#532 Killgore:

Why does it make such a difference to a small business whether tax rates are differentiated or flat?

(FWIW, here's a Federal Reserve-sponsored paper purporting to show that a flat tax would in general benefit small businesses even more than large ones.)

545 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:49:58pm

I didn't realize Adam (of Adam and Eve fame) was a prophet.

Uh - oh. Now someone is gonna die.

546 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:50:16pm

Durendal:

Yisrael Beiteinu

is what you are looking for. Bibi is all talk.

547 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:51:05pm

I don't know- a flat tax, with exemptions built in, say, excluding the first $10,000 of income for a single earner family (give or take), maybe the first $20,000 for a two earner family, maybe add a couple of thousand more per child for the first three or four kids, and then a flat 10% or 15%, so that people could do their own taxes at home in under an hour, sounds good to me. Maybe, in a slight departure from a completely flat tax, keep the mortgage interest deduction on primary homes. Apply that flat rate to dividends and capital gains, and you'd still have a system that is a little gentler on the working poor, but a whole lot easier to track. OK, the IRS would probably have a surplus of auditors, and a few tax attorneys and accountants would be out of a job, but overall it seems like a good idea to me.


Only other thing I might add is a 20 or 25% tax on trust fund distribution, so liberal Democrats that have never worked a day in their lives like Senators Kennedy and Rockefeller don't get a free ride.

548 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:51:24pm

Killgore, you seem to be talking about VAT, not "flat tax" (which I usually hear used to refer to introducing a uniform income tax rate).

549 ZionistYoungster  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:51:27pm

#495 3 wood
#535 Pawn of the Oppressor

The Leftscum may protest that "all criticism of Israel, or even of Zionism, isn't anti-Semitism!" 'til the cows come home, but their statements are belied by the sheer dropping of the reins of rational appearance (emphasis on "appearance") as soon as Israel actually does something about the situation. As it was in the Lebanon War last summer--brought all the crypto-Judenhassers out of their dungholes.

550 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:52:14pm

#503 Mandy
Whats a kikey?

The usual term would be kike,from what i have heard,it comes from the yiddish(i believe)word for circle(Kikel my spelling may be wrong),the symbol they would put on jews entering the u.s.on ellis island.

551 Iron Fist[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:52:17pm
552 bucephalas  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:52:30pm

#505 lawhawk

Nothing drives me crazier than the "disproportionate response" meme. Maybe the NYT and their friends would be happier if after each Qassam attack Israel launches an equal number of unguided missiles into Gaza City? Frankly I'm surprised the Israelis haven't resorted to a more draconian set of responses to the Qassam launches. There seems to be little downside as their limited counterstrikes are already viewed as a significant escalation. A sustained (24 hrs?)artillery/airstrike on the area of the next rocket launch would likely get everyone's attention focused on stopping the Qassams.

553 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:52:50pm
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas harshly criticized the Islamic Hamas on Wednesday for taking over Gaza last week, saying its members were "murderous terrorists" who tried to assassinate him recently.

These guys are a living version of the Onion.

Or would be, if they weren't trying to blow up innocent Israelis when they weren't being so damn funny.

554 Durendal  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:52:53pm

#542 Killgore Trout

you are sorely misinformed about the economic implications of a flat tax

555 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:53:36pm
476 song_and_dance_man

tfk

You missed NoLimit. I'm certain you would have had much to say to it(?) Not sure if its a boy or girl.

it? Wow! That's something. And a few posts earlier you actually said this:


One of the things I like about LGF is the ability to learn news things, and have my mind changed from the perspective of the many fine writers here who have the ability to do so

Apparently you've learned nothing. Too bad.

BTW - Tolerance of others, and their viewpoints is a sign of maturity. Go up to post #493 and see my closing.

556 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:53:51pm

#540 Durendal
No joke for me. I'd fold immediately. I make a very modest living and with all the write offs I live tax free in a state without sales tax. My supplies would cost 20% more (reducing my profit) and the items I sell would cost my customers another 20%. My already reduced profits would then be taxed at 20% with no write off or exceptions.
It stinks.

557 Ben Hur  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:53:52pm

Proportionate response?

1. Turn off the laser guidance system.

558 3 wood  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:53:54pm

#526 mama

Flat tax ?

Never gonna happen.

559 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:54:20pm
560 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:54:32pm

#547 Ed:

and then a flat 10% or 15%, so that people could do their own taxes at home in under an hour

This, I think, is the great fallacy about flat tax (rates); that it would somehow greatly simplify preparing personal income taxes.

Doing your income tax is NOT complicated because of differentiated tax rates, but rather because of the various deductions, exemptions, etc. Once you get to the bottom line, how long does it take you to flip to the tax tables (or tax rate formula) and figure out how much you owe? Ten seconds? Flattening the tax rate will maybe shave that to eight seconds.

561 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:54:56pm

sorry #433

562 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:55:32pm

#558 3 Wood

Didn't Steve Forbes run for President on a platform of the flat tax back in 2000 ? How was that received ? I don't recall much.

563 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:56:22pm

#551 IF:

I think everyone should have to pay their income tax every month.

Of course, self-employed people already do this (although it's every quarter, not every month).

564 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:57:26pm

#551 Iron Fist

I think everyone should have to pay their income tax every month. Sit down and write a check like it was your mortgage or a car payment. When people see how much a bite the Feds really take, there will be changes

I agree. The current system is designed to stupify us into submission.

565 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:58:03pm

#521 song_and_dance_man

That's good to hear. I didn't think you were a raving nutjob. I'll just cancel the fatwah on you.

There, you're clear.

566 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:58:44pm

Netanyahu has to be a step up from Olmert, and I believe part of the reason Netanyahu was seen as a little squishy towards the Palis was that he felt obliged to keep the committments Israel made in the Oslo process. I suspect even then he knew better than to trust the Philistines, and now he'd take no BS from them.

The other Israeli politician I like, having seen him promoting books on C-Span, is Dore Gold. Not sure if he has any chance of becoming PM, but he seems to have his head on right.

567 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:58:47pm
568 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:59:25pm
569 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:59:36pm
570 vxbush  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 1:59:37pm

525 3 wood

Ah. I see, I guess. Personally, the amount of bleach I would need to clean up after visiting such a place would make me think twice of visiting, but I see you have a purpose.

I meant no disrespect, of course; just curiosity.

571 Kenneth  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:00:02pm

Oh, crap.

KABUL (Reuters) - Three Canadian soldiers died in southern Afghanistan on Wednesday when a roadside bomb blew up beside their small unarmored vehicle in what was meant to be a secure zone, a senior military official said.

Brigadier-General Tim Grant said the soldiers had been conducting a resupply operation on a short narrow road between two checkpoints in the Panjwai district, about 25 miles west of Kandahar.

572 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:00:36pm

Most of Yurp doesn't just have a flat tax, but a "Value Added Tax", something like a sales tax, but every time an item changes hands in a supply chain, it gets taxed all over again.

573 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:00:40pm

#548 Occasional Reader
It takes a while to pile through the literature on the Fair Tax site but it's a national sales tax (23%) which is more than VAT ( IIRC 19%). And there's also an income tax that varies between 10-20%.
It is the same as the European system. If there are differences I don't know what they are.

574 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:01:11pm

#567 tfk

Talk of taxes isn't fluff. They can't do ANYTHING unless it's on the back of our money we send them. I vote for sending them less and using it it smarter.

575 missouri boy  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:01:17pm

556 K T

If, you have not read "The Fair Tax Book", by Neal Boortz and Congressman John Linder, go get it and read.

This new system would cause the USA to become the "Tax Haven" of the world. Economic benifets will be exponencial.

576 American Soldier  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:01:21pm

OT-
Continuing the slow-moving argument about keeping our "brothers":
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

#114 American Soldier 6/20/2007 12:47:08 pm PDT

#112 mrsoc 6/20/2007 12:00:22 pm PDT

#111 American Jewess In Jerusalem
I agree, but the comment to which I was responding;
#90 American Soldier

One is never required to help another human being.

was too over the top. No one expects you to help your enemy, although of course we do it all the time! When an Israeli doctor saves the life of some muslima burned to disfigurement by her mother in law in a "cooking accident" that is exactly what we are doing. Even with the knowledge that she may turn up at a check-point with a bomb belt enroute to kill everyone who saved her!

Believe me I do not think hat turning the other cheek is a good idea! The wimp Christianity we are taught in socialist churches is not my style at all. But to say that we are Never required to help another human being-that puts our humanity in question,

I have, over the past 36 years, rendered emergency medical care to a great many people. This includes, in Israel as recently as last November, moslem arabs I am certain would just as soon kill me, my children, and grandchildren, for the simple reason that we are "Yahud". It includes teenage gangbangers with nazi swastikas tatooed on them. I have cared for neo-nazi thugs and Mexican invaders of the U.S. In all the years I have been doing this, I've never asked beforehand about a person's religion or politics. I have had a couple of people request another nurse, but then I'm not quite what people expect coming through the door when they yell, "nurse!".
We are never required (please note order of emphasis) to perform mitzvot. We may obey G-d or not, as long as one is mindful of the gravity of disobedience.
That said, I find no place in Torah where it says that I must interfere with the sons of Amalek killing each other.

For the benefit of those who think we must be on a higher plane, I'd make one concession- establish an aid station at the crossing, triage tertiary care to an Egyptian hospital. Shoot any gerbil coming closer than 1km while carrying a weapon. I'd even be willing to staff it- some of you know where to find me.

#115 American Soldier 6/20/2007 12:52:00 pm PDT

Palestinians wounded in an exchange of fire lay on the ground awaiting medical help as they wait to flee to the Israeli side at the Erez Crossing, in the northern Gaza Strip,Tuesday
-caption from AP photo accompanying linked article, ephasis mine.

577 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:02:55pm

Re my #539 ? I just got a heads up re the blog owner..do not use the stuff, please!

And now for something completely different: remember when the Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey Circus had a tiny car, and about 40 clowns got out of it? Well, apparently the arabs saw it, and do it with their own kids..seat belts not included.

578 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:02:56pm
579 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:03:27pm

#568 song and dance

I put that poorly. I should have said that I didn't know that muslims regarded Adam as one of their prophets. Hence the fatwa for the magazine article.

580 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:04:04pm

#572 Ed Mahmoud's
The Fair Tax has a VAT too. My question is; what about state and local taxes? I assume they get added on to the VAT. That could easily add up to 30%.

581 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:05:00pm

#573 Killgore:

Fair Tax site but it's a national sales tax (23%) which is more than VAT ( IIRC 19%). And there's also an income tax that varies between 10-20%.

Fair enough, but I think your use of "flat tax" to describe this is probably confusing people; that term is usually used to describe simply the concept of having a uniform income tax rate. (See Fed study I linked to, for instance.)

582 tfc3rid  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:05:03pm

I thought Rudy was in favor of the Fair Tax as well... He had a press meeting with Steve Forbes to talk about how he was so in favor of it...

583 3 wood  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:05:12pm

#562 mama

Didn't Steve Forbes run for President on a platform of the flat tax back in 2000 ? How was that received ? I don't recall much.

I think he did and it was received as great news by some of the public, not much by others. But all of that is besides the point. There is absolutely no way you would get enough votes to change the tax code this much and in this way. It is DOA. Too many special interest groups in the way. They abhore change.

584 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:05:52pm

My idea of a flat tax doesn't have a whole lot of exemptions/deductions. Maybe the exemption mentioned for low income workers, a per-child exemption, and a mortgage interest deduction.


There'd still be work for the tax lawyers for corporate taxes, since it'd be retarded to tax businesses on revenues and not profits, nor neglect the effects of depreciation and such.

585 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:06:07pm
586 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:07:22pm

I pay very little in Federal taxes, as I don't make much and some of my income is a disability pension. But I'm very interested in the whole tax question because as Jesus said, where a man's treasure is, there you will find his heart. I like knowing where America's heart is, and how we're paying for its upkeep.

587 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:07:32pm

BBC 'risked safety of troops'

The BBC was accused last night of risking the safety of British forces in Iraq after trawling for information on troop movements in the war-torn country.

Politicians reacted in disbelief to the revelation that for over two hours yesterday, the BBC News website carried a request for people in Iraq to report on troop movements.

The request was removed from the website after it sparked furious protests that the corporation was endangering the lives of British servicemen and women.

But according to accounts last night, a story on a major operation by US and Iraqi troops against al-Qa'eda somewhere north of Baghdad contained an extraordinary request for information about the movement of troops.

Last night the BBC confirmed the wording of the request was: "Are you in Iraq? Have you seen any troop movements? If you have any information you would like to share with the BBC, you can do so using the form below."

Outright espionage. Churchill would have had these traitors put against a wall and shot.

588 lobo91  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:08:09pm

#547 Ed:

Maybe, in a slight departure from a completely flat tax, keep the mortgage interest deduction on primary homes.

See, that's how we got to where we are today.

Once you put in a mortgage interest deduction, then another group will want a sales tax deduction, another will want a tuition deduction, yet another will demand a deduction for medical insurance, etc.

Next thing you know, you have a tax code that requires a wheelbarrow to carry, like we have now.

589 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:08:14pm

#575 missouri boy


This new system would cause the USA to become the "Tax Haven" of the world. Economic benifets will be exponencial.

Yes, a lot of money comes here from all over the world because of our low taxes. We could confiscate that wealth and redistribute it for the common good. I'll bet we could even fund Socialized Medicine with the extra revenue.

But eventually all that money will go somewhere else.

590 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:08:32pm

Severe storm just outside Las Cruces in Doña Ana county in New Mexico, and severe storms continue near El Paso, La Union and Santa Teresa in El Paso county, and Sierra Blanca in Hudspeth County, Texas.

591 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:10:00pm

I say we shouldn't have to pay taxes at all! Aren't we supposed to be an "empire", according to all the chattering classes around the world? Well, then, let's get busy empirin'! We should be conquering other countries, and forcing them to pay tribute! Hell, we could all get a bonus from Uncle Sam every April 15th.


Occasional Reader for First Tribune of the Empire! Once and for all, why not the best?

592 3 wood  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:10:10pm

#570 vxbush

I meant no disrespect, of course; just curiosity.

Oh, not to worry. I know you better than that :).

By the way, I have some good news on the music front. I'll email you (at home).

593 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:11:27pm

I don't see why a flat income tax, with limited deductions for individuals, would need a national sales tax or VAT.

States could continue to collect revenue via sales, income or property taxes, or combinations therein.


Part of the high rate on the Yupain VAT tax probably has something to do with the advanced condition of the You-are-peein welfare state.

594 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:11:30pm
595 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:11:30pm

TB scare in S.C. puts immigrants' health in spotlight
FRANCO ORDOÑEZ AND AMES ALEXANDER
fordonez@charlotteobserver.com
The number of workers exposed to tuberculosis at a Greenville, S.C., chicken plant has grown to 131, but state health officials cautioned Tuesday only one is suspected of having an active form of the infectious disease.

The S.C. Department of Health and Environmental Control began testing employees at the House of Raeford Farms plant late last month after the agency was told about the infected worker. So far, 286 employees who have been in contact with the worker have been tested.

The percentage of positive cases is believed to be high because many of the plant's employees come from other countries where the disease may be more prevalent, said agency spokesman Thom Berry.

While not considered an immediate threat to Greenville residents, the number of infected workers reflects a concern about a growing health threat: immigrants increasingly carrying TB to the U.S.

"It's become more of an imported disease," said Dr. Jason Stout, an infectious disease specialist at Duke University who serves as one of North Carolina's tuberculosis consultants.

[Link: www.charlotte.com...]

596 Render  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:12:02pm

re: The comments from HuffnaziPoo...

At what point do the words of DonR and his SS buddies become actionable?

LEGALLY,
R

597 missouri boy  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:12:03pm

Read "the Fair Tax Book". What others here are describing is not the tax system this will bring.

The fair tax has no deductions, no IRS to comply with, no income tax, and no need or care by the government on how much money you make per year.

Read the book. I also own small business and can see only good from the Fair Tax system. just saying...

598 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:12:06pm

O R -

I like the idea of tribute.

All I ask is my fair share. Small bills will do, tens and twenties are acceptable.

599 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:12:22pm
#579 mama winger 6/20/2007 2:03:27 pm PDT

#568 song and dance

I put that poorly. I should have said that I didn't know that muslims regarded Adam as one of their prophets. Hence the fatwa for the magazine article

They belive in all the prophets of the Bible...they just think they are all Muslims and the Jews lied.

600 Aladin Sane  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:12:41pm

How 'bout a flat tax with no deductions?

601 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:12:54pm

#584 Ed:

My idea of a flat tax doesn't have a whole lot of exemptions/deductions. Maybe the exemption mentioned for low income workers, a per-child exemption, and a mortgage interest deduction.

But all those other things are completely seperable from the "flat tax" aspect. People conflate the two all the time. What makes income tax complicated is figuring out what income ultimately gets taxed. Differential rates have little to do with it.

602 Steve Young  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:13:00pm
The streets of Gaza are now calm for the first time in a very long time (except for the occasional flying body from a 12th story window). We have begun disarming some of the drug dealers and the armed gangs (except OUR drug dealers and OUR armed gangs ) and we hope to restore a sense of security and safety to the citizens of Gaza (by scaring the living *h*t out of them). We want to get children back to school (to learn how to hate Jews and blow them up), get basic services functioning again (by making sure the sewers overflow on schedule), and provide long-term economic gains for our people (by getting you stupid infidels to pay us the jizya you owe us).

There, I've restored the parts the Times edited out.

603 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:14:03pm
#578 song_and_dance_man

555 NoLimit

Apparently you misread my post. I referred to you as it, since your gender is not known.

I guess I could have used him/her and been spared your grief.

Read it again and find the post innocuous.

I really did consider that - trust me. I guess maybe I would have worded it as per your second choice. In the words of the great Rush Limbaugh - "Words mean things."

No problem - piece!

/intentional misspelling. I'm a believer we need give this war more chance to work. Maybe a another 10 years or so.

604 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:15:04pm

#599 storagemanager


They beleive in all the prophets of the Bible...they just think they are all Muslims and the Jews lied.

Doesn't everyone ?

605 Victor  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:15:31pm

Somehow, our Republic managed to survive its 1st 150 years without an income tax. But that was before we were libotomized.

606 vxbush  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:16:38pm

592 3 wood

Coolness. Looking forward to it...

607 missouri boy  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:16:52pm

Under the proposed fair tax presented by Boortz and congressman Linder, you only pay tax when you spend money - not when you earn it.

This fair tax will tax all the illegal money and black market money and drug money and all other moneys that are now under the table and off tax rolls. It won't matter any more if you got paid in "cash". The tax will be when you spend.

608 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:16:56pm

You people who pay taxes are all suckers.

609 American Soldier  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:17:31pm

#598 mama winger
All I have are some quarters.

Do you work for Dr. Melodie?

610 akak  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:17:44pm

NoLimit

Why quit after 10 years, if you really believe in it?

611 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:17:51pm

HEY LOOK AT THE NEW "NEW COMMENTS" BUTTON.

Well done LGF. I like it. No more F5 for me.

612 Hard Right  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:18:04pm

Thank God Hamas took over. Now the brown eyed baby deer and cute fluffy bunnies can return along with the butterflies.

(crushing sarcasm)

613 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:18:15pm

#598 mama winger:

I like the idea of tribute.

Me, too.

Of course, after we conquer Venezuela, they can choose to pay in cash, or in kind.

614 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:18:29pm

#605 victor
nuclear weapons,aircraft carriers,space programs,inferstructure,elec.power to rural areas,...etc.,all these things cost money...

615 Render  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:18:31pm

hmmm...

I like the "new comments" button...

MEANS
SOMETHING,
R

616 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:18:33pm

#607 missouri boy

This fair tax will tax all the illegal money and black market money and drug money and all other moneys that are now under the table and off tax rolls. It won't matter any more if you got paid in "cash". The tax will be when you spend.

I had not thought of that aspect of it.

617 danger close  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:19:26pm

#559 tfk

Just after the future Mrs. Danger and I met we hiked to Sitting Bull Falls. She lived in Hobbs at the time. I was wasting a bunch of money attending Texas Tech.

618 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:19:41pm

#581 Occasional Read
Where's that link. I can't find it?

619 NinoBrown79  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:19:44pm

Didnt the New York Times also shill for Adolf Hitler? someone probably already made that point in 600 posts though.

620 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:19:59pm

#613 O R

Of course, after we conquer Venezuela, they can choose to pay in cash, or in kind.

You really need to stop posting my picture here, O R. I am trying to fly under the radar.

621 Jimash  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:20:18pm

I ahve been waiting for my checks from the NFL and the Atlantic City
Gaming commision for some time.
I suspect that charging tribute would be similar but WTF let's give it a chance. !

622 ATLASSHRUGGED  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:20:24pm

The New York Times shill for all Islamazis. Just yesterday they were bawling for the Islamazis in Somalia against Ethiopia.

er, I mean "rebels"

623 ZionistYoungster  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:21:36pm

WOW! What a great button! My mouse hand thanks thee, Charles: no more rush between the &only and main thread windows to see if there's new comments.

624 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:22:06pm
This fair tax will tax all the illegal money and black market money and drug money and all other moneys that are now under the table and off tax rolls.

Erm... sure it will.

Junkie: I need my smack, man, I gotta have it bad! Gimme twenty dollars worth of "Death Ice".

Dealer: Okay, but that comes to $23.15, with Fair Tax.

625 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:23:56pm
#610 akak
NoLimit

Why quit after 10 years, if you really believe in it

?

You're so right. The libs did fight their last war - "the war on poverty" for 40 plus years. Unlike their failures, we cannot fail - As I like bacon, capitalism, an occasional adult beverage, and all that...

626 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:24:03pm

Hmmm, just have to keep an eye on this, as, although development unlikely, its the only game in town this week.


Dry air to its North, and still some frontal characteristics.


As mentioned above in beautifully formatted post, 0Z Canadian did develop this, but took it Eastward out to sea, to die a miserable death over cooler water before becoming frontal again.

Wind shear slightly unfavorable, but not an absolute deal-killer.

NHC not excited at all about it. And its hard to blame them. Enhanced color satellite loop shows not a whole lot of deep thunderstorms, and the first step in the process would be sustained thunderstorms to warm the mid and upper levels, and start lowering surface pressures.

627 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:24:10pm

#618 Killgore: See my #544.

#620 mama: That white evening gown totally works for you.

628 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:24:16pm

The main benefit of the fair tax, as I see it, is that it would result in the super wealthy actually paying the same tax rate as the rest of us.

Currently, folks like Ms. Teresa Heinz Kerry pay very, very little in taxes because she has huge wealth but only investment income.

If Teresa wants to go shopping she would pay the 23% rate on her purchases just like the rest of us. The only real drawback is that she already owns plenty of homes and yacts and vehicles etc.

/kinda sarc

629 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:24:55pm
630 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:25:31pm

#627 Occasional Reader
Thanks.

631 abu_garcia  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:25:33pm

Since there is a discussion of taxes going on I'd like to take this opportunity to cite "The Myth of the Scandanavian Model", which I know many here have read, but if not, it is a goody. The charts of growth rates speak volumes.

632 NoLimit  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:26:37pm
#629 song_and_dance_man

603 NoLimit

I'm a believer we need give this war more chance to work.

It is no coincidence that our troops are a border away from Iran; a third part of the Axis of Evil.

Iraq is the smaller horn of the Ram and had to be taken before the big horn is broken. Daniel 8

No matter what governments do they will all choose that which is necessary to fulfill prophecy.

Providence rules the day.

I knew you were an ally. And you are correct sir.

633 mama winger  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:26:50pm

Press the little 'new comments' button. It's so cute !

634 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:26:56pm

The Hamasides just figured out they are up shits crick without a paddle. First will come attempts at sounding reasonable, followed by veiled threats, then the blatant threats, and finally it'll be back to the big crawfish in a bucket scene.

But I wonder if Hammies will grant the right of return into Gaza for those who were lucky enough to escape into Israel in the last week.

635 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:27:01pm

#628 funky:

The main benefit of the fair tax, as I see it, is that it would result in the super wealthy actually paying the same tax rate as the rest of us.

Counter-argument; it's "regressive" because poorer people have no choice but to spend a higher percentage of their income in "consumption", compared to wealthier people.
(And this is a "consumption tax".)

636 American Soldier  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:30:04pm

Dang, I like that little button.


Back to yard work and cleaning. Later, all.

637 NinoBrown79  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:30:44pm

I wonder how a thread of Hamas having the new york times shill for them turns into a flat tax debate? Did someone say Hamas is instituting a flat tax on all new katusha rockets sold or is just going to flat tax the 5 grand or so a suicide bombers family gets when they detonate themselves?

638 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:30:48pm
629 song_and_dance_man 6/20/2007 2:24:55 pm PDT

603 NoLimit

I'm a believer we need give this war more chance to work.

It is no coincidence that our troops are a border away from Iran; a third part of the Axis of Evil.

Iraq is the smaller horn of the Ram and had to be taken before the big horn is broken. Daniel 8

No matter what governments do they will all choose that which is necessary to fulfill prophecy.
The battle is fought in the unseen...soon the prince of Persia .
Providence rules the day.

639 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:32:03pm

635 OR yeah. It would suck eggs for us personally as the husband pays zero federal income tax when he's in the sandbox. And some of our income is tax free (military housing allowance.)

So the Fair Tax is a loser big time for military families.

But I do see the appeal.

How about a wealth tax?

/yes, I know that's class envy

640 storagemanager  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:33:22pm
US Congress: Charge Ahmadinejad for inciting genocide


House of Representatives passes resolution calling on UN Security Council to punish Iranian president for statements made regarding destruction of Israel


[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

641 funky chicken  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:37:19pm

Hey, who had the link to the political cartoon showing Bush and Condi looking at the map, and saying "two state solution" with Hamastan and Fatahstan flanking the "Zionist Entity"

Really, what's the big drawback to letting the stupid palis have their little festering homelands?

As long as I don't have to pay their room and board in perpetuity, of course.

/on topic?

642 missouri boy  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:39:43pm

#635 O R

Counter-argument; it's "regressive" because poorer people have no choice but to spend a higher percentage of their income in "consumption", compared to wealthier people.
(And this is a "consumption tax".)

Take time to read The Fair Tax book.

It addresses what you just posted. Every household will recieve a monthly check to cover necessary consumption.
I think the Fair Tax makes too much sense and therefore the reason for all the mis-information concerning it.

643 lobo91  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:40:50pm

#640 Storagemanager:

House of Representatives passes resolution calling on UN Security Council to punish Iranian president for statements made regarding destruction of Israel

While it's a nice sentiment, I seriously doubt that Russia or China care much about a non-binding resolution from our Congress.

644 lobo91  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:42:35pm

#641 funky chicken:

Really, what's the big drawback to letting the stupid palis have their little festering homelands?

As long as I don't have to pay their room and board in perpetuity, of course.

I think you just answered your own question...

645 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:43:46pm
646 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:45:33pm
647 Mich-again  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 2:57:44pm

George H.W. Bush has been criticized heavily for not finishing the job in the Gulf War. His son will be criticized as well if he doesn't finish the job by taking down the Mullahs. It wouldn't be that difficult. A handful of missiles to damage oil refineries and a Naval embargo at the Straits. No gasoline, no economy, checkmate. The main reason that the Iranians are so bellicose is that they know how completely vulnerable they are. A cornered cat always snarls and hisses.

Iran is the source of the cash that funds jihad ops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Lebanon, and who knows where else. But its not the Iranian government that funds the terrorists, its the Mullahs themselves using their own cash that their thugs confiscate from people and businesses under the guise of contributing to "charity foundations" which are nothing more than organized crime syndicates. Each Mullah has their own pet project, be it Sadr's Army, Hamas, Hizbollah, AQ, or the Taliban.

The Mullahs are already at war with the USA, we just refuse to acknowledge it. Hopefully the lame duck GWB will do the right thing and deliver a quick mortal shot to the Mullahs' kleptocracy. Once that happens, we will have peace and everything we've done so far in the WoT will finally make perfect sense. Its coming. Dead Mullahs dragged through the streets of Tehran. Can't wait.

648 Maine's Michael  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 3:01:49pm
649 David Simon  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 3:05:05pm

#628 funky chicken -

Currently, folks like Ms. Teresa Heinz Kerry pay very, very little in taxes because she has huge wealth but only investment income.

True, the Kerry's blended tax rate is very low, but they still pay more income tax in a year than I'll pay in a lifetime.

I always get a kick out of leftist nitwits who try to argue that the reason why Theresa's income tax bill is disproportionately low is because of the Bush tax cuts. The Kerry family definitely benefits from the drop in the tax rate on dividends (set to expire in 2010)and even the drop in marginal rates, but the real reason why their income taxes are relatively low is because they're investment portfolio is chock full of tax-free municipal bonds (which are actually more valuable when marginal income tax rates are higher).

650 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 3:12:38pm
651 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 3:15:12pm
652 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 3:17:21pm
653 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 3:35:44pm
654 Durendal  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 4:23:57pm

killgore, if u come back to this thread, i replied to you re FairTax/flat taxes in the next thread

;p

655 jayzee  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 4:41:23pm

What number Naqba are these guys up to?

656 Alan K. Henderson  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 5:34:00pm

Hamas stole Arafat's Nobel - give them credit for at least that.

657 NY Nana  Wed, Jun 20, 2007 6:05:14pm

#484 mrmom

Darn..I forgot to come back to this thread..too busy playing with the new Ajax thread, as if I knew what I was doing!

There were 9 of us...embodiment of the stereotype! (We would have loved to have you)
"It is a part of Judaism and Christianity to help our neighbor" Exactly. My point being the Jewish people go above and beyond that to loving (in practice, not just words) their enemy.
Also, thanks for the link.

Now you tell me? Well, we had 4 kids..but for reasons beyond their control, our 3 married kids have onlies..but they are very close, as I am with my first cousins who are now all over the country, darn it.

Yes, for both of us charity and helping are basics, but as a Jew,I truly do not love a neighbor who is out to annihilate al the Jews..and for friends in Israel, living in a de facto state of war nearly all the time? I can only empathize..yet Israel manages to keep on developing technologies that benfit all of humanity..

This article was sent by a friend, and it is, IMHO, excellent: Brothers to the Bitter End

658 Ledger1  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:58:58am

The NYT is spreading taqiyya like manure. And, it stinks to high heaven!

659 sushi  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 4:04:02am

From a posting above:
..we all know Fisk

Alastair Crooke might be a worse POS

Rest assured that Alistair Crooke IS a worse PoS

Google Hugh Fizgerald and 'Alistair Crooke' and you get an idea how perverse and how corrupt this PoS really is...


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