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-RetweetA Visit to Fatah's Torture Chamber

Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 11:20:03 am PDT

Germany’s Spiegel Online has a piece on the new Gaza amusement park formerly known as Fatah’s Torture Chamber.

Note: this was a facility owned and operated by “moderate” Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas, who’s about to receive another financial windfall from the US.

A building formerly occupied by Fatah’s intelligence service in Gaza was long notorious for torture and execution. Now Hamas is in control — and is letting former inmates visit the chamber of horrors.

The cells are small, perhaps six feet by six feet, with only an overhead lamp to provide light. The toilet is a hole in the floor behind a small wall. The prisoners have scribbled graffiti on the walls, including slogans like “Al-Qaida in Jerusalem” and “Islamic Jihad.” One inmate even scratched the phrase “Mother, oh my mother” into the plaster.

The children have no interest in the graffiti. Four of them are rushing through the 30-odd basement cells, their mother and aunts in tow. The nine-member family has taken the afternoon off. Where parents in other parts of the world might take their children to a chamber of horrors in an amusement park, the main attractions in the Gaza Strip these days are Fatah’s torture chambers. ...

“This building is a symbol of injustice in stone,” says Abu Mohammed, an officer in Hamas’s militant al-Qassam Brigades, who led the attack on the complex. He and his unit have occupied the compound since the building was captured, and Abu Mohammed is using the gatehouse as his office. “We came because we wanted to see the place where our brothers were killed,” he says.

Three days ago, his soldiers exhumed four bodies that had been hastily buried in one of the prison basements, he says wearily. They were able to identify a fellow al-Qassam Brigades member, Nasser al-Juju. They believe he was killed shortly before he was discovered: “The others have been lying in this basement for a long time.”

In the room next to the guard booth, large puddles of blood are drying out, surrounded by swarms of flies. “Fatah used this room to shoot people,” says the al-Qassam militiaman.

But why the security force would have performed executions in a room with two windows, directly adjacent to the gate of the complex, remains unclear. One can’t help but suspect that Abu Mohammed’s men may have used the room to shoot Fatah men who wanted to surrender.

Eyewitnesses last Thursday reported that the Fatah members who were defending the building were shot in the head, one after another, when, with their shirts removed and their hands held above their heads, they had attempted to surrender. “We didn’t kill a single one of them,” counters Abu Mohammed. “That would be un-Islamic.”

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1 zombie  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:21:20am

All of Gaza is a torture chamber at this point.

2 theheat  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:21:31am
this was a facility owned and operated by “moderate” Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas, who’s about to receive another financial windfall from the US.

Impeach him.

3 maddogg  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:21:36am

Well, I thought there must be some reason Hamas disliked those guys so much.

4 zombie  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:22:11am

Maybe if we give a couple more billion American taxpyer dollars to Fatah, they can build bigger, grander torture chambers!

5 zombie  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:22:30am

taxpyer = taxpayer

6 maddogg  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:23:13am
“We didn’t kill a single one of them,” counters Abu Mohammed. “That would be un-Islamic.”


Heh.

7 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:23:28am

Up next.. the torture museum of Hamas.

8 el Greco  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:24:15am

Its funny, the times these killers like to call forth "un-islamic".

9 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:24:27am
10 zombie  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:24:34am

We're getting off-topic here, folks.

Let's get our priorities straight:

ABU GHRAIB! GUANTANAMO! PANTIES ON THE HEAD! KORANS IN THE TOILET!

There. Now I feel better.

11 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:26:07am

So do y'all think that:

1) Hamas is reviewing the torture chamber and taking notes, or

2) Hamas is reviewing the torture chamber and chuckling, "what a bunch of p*ssies"?

12 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:26:57am
13 maddogg  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:26:57am

Mebbe the History Channel can so a series:

"The torture chambers of Fatah, er, Hamas, er Iran, er, Saddam, er, Muslims in general should cover it.

Or maybe "The Islamically correct methods Allah smiles upon for torture and murder."

14 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:27:32am

VIDEO
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

The Hamas hilarity continues with exclusive terrorist training footage. The flaming hoop jumps live, the flaming tire shoot, and the fall down in a big flaming circle exercise.

15 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:27:53am

Speigel has been pretty good on reporting the nature of the enemy.

16 rtheyserius  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:28:50am
“We didn’t kill a single one of them,” counters Abu Mohammed. “That would be un-Islamic.”

Yeah right. These guys must think we were all born yesterday.

17 MrMom  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:31:21am

Where's the nekked twister mat?

18 z  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:31:25am

This is some sick disgusting bullshit and I can't BELIEVE that we allow this type of shit to go on.

19 Northpaw  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:31:29am

Un-Islamic? To kill unarmed people who are surrendering? That certainly explains all those beheadings.

20 Cartman  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:32:40am
“We didn’t kill a single one of them,” counters Abu Mohammed. “That would be un-Islamic.”

And a bear refuses to sh*t in the woods.

21 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:32:54am
“We didn’t kill a single one of them,” counters Abu Mohammed. “That would be un-Islamic.”

There's a whole mess of un-Islamic Muslims, then.

22 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:34:00am

Ah, nothing quite like exposing Fatah's House of Torture. Expect Hamas to return the favor, which goes hand in hand with the honor/shame cycle of violence.

23 Barry  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:34:20am
“We didn’t kill a single one of them,” counters Abu Mohammed. “That would be un-Islamic.”

But throwing people with their hands tied off high-rise buildings is Islamic!

24 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:35:08am

#23 Barry

Well, you see, THEY didn't kill them; the ground did.

/thinking like a Muslim

25 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:35:37am
26 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:36:06am

World media responds: zzz

ACTUALLY-I must report-the Toronto Star did have a feature today about the horrible Iraqi orphanage. I was truly SHOCKED by that. Of course it was counterbalanced by much preposterous drivel in the past few days by Haroon Sidiqui and Richard Gwyn but whatever...

27 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:36:39am

25 buzzsawmonkey
Like International House of Pancakes?

28 JamesTKirk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:37:29am

#24 goddessoftheclassroom

#23 Barry -- Well, you see, THEY didn't kill them; the ground did.

That sort of death is known as "concrete poisoning" or "deceleration trauma", and is generally considered an accident. Unless it can be blamed on America/Israel somehow.

29 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:38:07am

#25 buzz

I know this is going to shock you-but torture has already been quite successfully developed, franchised and marketed by the ROP.

30 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:38:25am

#11 occasional reader:

I vote for "Anything you can do, I can do better!" Complete with Annie Get Your Gun production values!

31 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:38:41am
32 Buck  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:39:15am

Wait for the other shoe to drop.

It is only logical that Hamas will "Prove" that the CIA, and Mossad were operating here...

After all, who stands to gain...

33 Darwin Akbar  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:39:52am

Well, after all, who are you going to believe - eyewitness accounts of helpless men being murdered in cold blood, or a guy named Abu Muhammed (soon to be the number one baby boy name in the UK).

Seems that even the dhimmi MSM can't cover up for these bloodthirsty manicas any more:

Gunmen on rampage in West Bank

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

My favorite part of that story is the brave A-A Moron's Brigade's theft of 23 tons of UN-supplied food and a truckload of bathroom fixtures.

It would seem to me that hauling off 23 tons of anything might take a long time...and certainly long enough for the "police" to do something about it...but perhaps not when you've got a fleet of brand-new trucks, no doubt paid for by the American taxpayer, and when the police are doing the stealing.

One final thought - I think this is the time we should all donate to the International Solidarity Movement, so they can send more Useless Idiots into the Territories.

34 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:39:57am

#11 O.R

My money's on option 2.

35 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:41:03am

It's Frankenstein vs the Wolfman in Gaza. Or Alien vs Predator for the younger generation.

36 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:41:11am

#29 WriterMom

This will lose everything in the telling, but when I first read your post, I misread you as saying "GOP" and I immediately launched into shock mode. Fortunately, my first step in shock mode is to check/reread the facts!

37 David Simon  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:41:19am

#15 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey -

Speigel has been pretty good on reporting the nature of the enemy.

Perhaps, but I really could have done without this:

Where parents in other parts of the world might take their children to a chamber of horrors in an amusement park, the main attractions in the Gaza Strip these days are Fatah’s torture chambers.

Why do so many reporters try to humanize these vermin with bs moral equivalence non-sequiturs?

38 Paul  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:42:01am

So how many days will pass before the former Fatah torture chamber re-opens as a remodeled and improved Hamas torture chamber?

39 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:42:13am
40 wrathofasma  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:42:40am

#14

Talk about a Triumph Des Willens redux. And also, if you guys get the chance, read surayesh's profile. He is an ex-Jew. Oh boy, that just sucks.

41 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:42:46am

#28 jamestkirk:

And all those who died from gunshot wounds as a result of Hamas going into hospitals and executing Fatah thugs was simply treated as lead poisoning in extremis.

The doctors suggest going to an unleaded diet instead, but have been roundly ignored by Fatah still in Gaza, much to the detriment of their health status, which is bordering on endangered species.

42 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:42:50am

VIDEO
Abuse of Hamas members at the hands of Fatah.

*warning*

Must be that 'leave no Murder Mouse behind' edumacation they get...

43 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:42:54am

But but but...they're MODERATES!

44 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:43:04am

Glad it was not another of Der Speigel's numerous articles on the "torture" at Abu Ghraib, especially in the German edition. They often charge the US with having torture chambers around the world, but seldom report on the most evident ones in the Islamic world.

45 JohnnyReb  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:43:11am

I can't beleive that everyone did not see this coming. It is natural for terrorists freedom fighters to point out what the terrorists did before they slaughtered conducted a peaceful takeover of the previous government.

Come on now, he did say they didn't kill anyone didn't he? You have to beleive him he speaks for Islam.

46 bulwrk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:43:17am

Vicious muslims,the world's largest tiny minority.

47 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:43:54am

And I was going to take my kids to the zoo or Biltmore Estates.

Torture chamber! Of course! Why didn't I think of that?

48 pat  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:44:06am

Background music

The Who
We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?

There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

Yeaaah!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

49 gettinby  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:45:11am
“We didn’t kill a single one of them,” counters Abu Mohammed. “That would be un-Islamic.”

Well, that's plenty good enough for me. Let's send more $$$.

/goes without saying.

50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:45:29am

This would be funny if these people werent so damn sick.

“We didn’t kill a single one of them,” counters Abu Mohammed. “That would be un-Islamic.”

Cognitive disonance much?

51 Armed  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:45:41am
“That would be un-Islamic.”

WTF does that mean? Do you have to use a suicide belt or a car bomb for it to be Islamic?

52 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:45:44am
53 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:46:11am

Blood is impossible to get out of concrete, it's why militants in the know use open trenches as execution sites.

Also, that last guy they shot coming out was the janitor.

54 easy  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:47:35am

#18 z

This is some sick disgusting bullshit and I can't BELIEVE that we allow this type of shit to go on.


Not sure how this could be construed as our responsibility.

55 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:47:36am
“We didn’t kill a single one of them,” counters Abu Mohammed. “That would be un-Islamic.”

That is a funny line...

Qur'an 2:191 "And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter."
Qur'an 33:60 "Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy - a fierce slaughter - murdered, a horrible murdering."

Hamas calls Fatah hypocrites and shoots them...Fatah does the same...President Bush get out bed with Islam and keep your word.

56 Granitebill  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:47:45am

#29
I can see it now.

On the T-shirt...
"Someone went to Fatah's Torture Chamber,
and all I got was this bloody T-shirt"

57 MoleOnABull  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:48:28am

#56

Heh.

58 psaturn  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:48:54am

I guess US and Israel is so desperate to find a "moderate" Palestinian in which to make deals that they are ignoring the obvious in that they are dealing with terrorists, whether they are Islamists or nationalists (secular).

59 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:50:05am

Where is Luke Skywalker when we need him? fatah, hamas, and all the rest of the franchises, what a joke they are and it seems some in our own Gov. time for a change in D.C. get rid of the old and get some patriots in there!

60 Venezuela lover  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:50:19am

#25 and #27


More like Mohammed's International House of Pancakes?

61 Tosprops  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:50:59am

So, what they are saying is that because Fatah tortured people, Hamas is the perfect choice to replace them?

Kind of like saying because the U.S. health care system is flawed a French style socialist system is perfect to replace it. Or, since Bush made mistakes in the war on terror, John Kerry or Dennis Kucinich are the only choices to replace him.

It's too bad Palestinians and Israelis are being used as pawns by thugs who secretly want world domination. The Israeli/Palestinian issue could be settled today and that crowd (Hamas, Iran, Syria, Al Qeada, etc.) would still find a reason to kill and destroy. They will never fix the problem because they won't even admit where it really is.

62 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:51:18am

Those funny muslim savages are funny huh?

63 bulwrk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:51:29am

So then what was all the fuss concerning the naked dog pile? We were being very islamic by not killing them.

64 storagemanager  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:52:47am
Israel to Give $600 Million to PA


(IsraelNN.com) Prime Minister Ehud Olmert will meet with his cabinet on Sunday and ask them to approve the release of $600 million of frozen tax monies to the Palestinian Authority. Sources close to Olmert explained that the release of the taxes is meant to strengthen PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas and his new government.

The money was collected from the wages of Arab residents of PA-controlled areas who work for Israeli employers. It was not released for several months in order to prevent it from going to Hamas, which at that time led the PA together with Fatah

They will thank you by killing your children...is that a good deal? [Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

65 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:53:13am
66 mj  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:53:39am

This part of the report is a crock:

"Human rights organizations like Amnesty International have long voiced criticism of systematic human rights violations in the security force's prisons, both in Gaza and the West Bank..."


Are they serious? AI has been too busy condemning the US and little satan Israel to notice or care what their favorite terrorists have been doing.

67 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:55:18am

We couldn't have killed them, because Islam is peaceful. And Islam is called peaceful because we don't hurt anyone.

See also definition, circular

68 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:55:38am

65 and 60
I'm liking the Infidel's House of St. Pancakes right now..

69 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:55:59am

Turn the WATER and ELECTRICITY off in Gaza, they will eat each other in days, Geez!

70 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:56:42am
71 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:57:29am

70 buzzsawmonkey
Takes a few tries..
LOL

72 humanity  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 11:59:06am
By Ulrike Putz in the Gaza Strip
73 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:00:47pm
74 cygnus  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:00:58pm

We didn’t kill a single one of them,” counters Abu Mohammed. “That would be un-Islamic.”

And if you say otherwise, I'll kill you.

75 Shinken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:01:08pm
a book titled "The Lessons of the Vietnam War" lie on the desk in front of Abu Mohammed.

And if we cut and run in Iraq, in a a year all the Islamonazi's will have copies of books titled "The Lessons of the Iraq Insurgency."

76 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:01:25pm

PHOTO
Anyone wanna take a stab at a caption for pic 2?

77 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:01:28pm

CHECK ENGINE

78 B_Dix  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:01:50pm

“That would be un-Islamic.”

Question: Have we yet found ANYTHING so low that it's un-Islamic?

...


Hmmm?


...


Thought not.

79 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:02:16pm

Hey, maybe Jimmuh Cartuh was right. We should be favoring Hamas.

/kidding!

80 WriterMom  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:02:43pm

#36 goddessoftheclassroom

That's too funny. You thought I went all troofy?

81 humanity  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:02:54pm

#64 storagemanager

OK, $600 million from Israel,
$400 million booty from US

is anyone calculating, its already in 1 billion...

I have to calculate, how much tax does i had paid to them...

82 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:02:57pm

Israeli police thwart another bomb attempt...
Jewish "bomber" seized before Jerusalem gay parade

"Police stopped a 32-year-old religious Jew who was carrying a homemade explosive device," police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said of the arrest before the annual Gay Pride march began.

About 7,000 police officers had deployed inside and around Jerusalem to protect the marchers -- about 2,000 of them by police estimates -- after threats from religious Jews, who take exception to the event being held in a city they hold sacred.

Oy vey, Homophobia!

83 Tricky Dick  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:03:13pm
“We didn’t had to kill a every single one of them,” counters brags Abu Mohammed. “That To not do so would be un-Islamic.”

There...fixed that.

84 piraticalbob  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:03:25pm

Think old Andy Sullivan will mention this story on The Daily Dish?

85 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:03:28pm

80 TrooferMom

LOL!

/sorry!

86 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:04:43pm

#76 NoSubmission
Abdul is pregnant with his third child.

87 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:04:44pm

Botero got another raging clue.

/a not-so-obscure LGF inside joke.

88 peck  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:06:42pm

So, do they follow the OBL torture textbook, or does Fatah have their own? My guess would be the various experts have significantly different theories concerning methodology. Those peer conferences are probably pretty lively.
/

89 maddogg  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:07:14pm

I just can't ever seem to wrap my head around the question: Why the fuck do the moonbats love these savages so much? I just don't get it. Even twisting my thoughts to the point of contortion, it just don't add up.

90 NoSubmission  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:07:24pm

86 Killgore Trout

#76 NoSubmission
Abdul is pregnant with his third child.

LOL! Not bad!

Did you notice fresh bloody print on the door in the back and the strangely red cast to Abdul's right hand... hrmmmnnn...
I thought that place has been closed a while.

91 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:07:26pm

The house that Yassir built.

92 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:07:36pm

Hamas lists seized U.S. weapons

JAFFA, Israel – Hamas members today provided WND a preliminary list of what they claimed were hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. weaponry and equipment seized during last week's coup against the U.S.-backed Fatah security organizations of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

Hamas vowed to obtain emergency U.S. aid slated for Fatah.

Last week, Hamas took complete control of all Fatah positions and U.S.-backed security compounds in the Gaza Strip, including Fatah's major Ansar complex – where American-provided weapons were delivered and stored – and Abbas' presidential guard complex.

93 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:08:02pm

OT -

Israel allowed the transfer of hundreds of tons of provisions and medical equipment into the Gaza Strip Thursday, and has also evacuated eight wounded Palestinians through the Erez crossing to Israel for hospital treatment.

This would be the same Israel that will be continuously condemned by the UN Human Rights Council, while Cuba is taken off their list of concerns.

The supplies included 130 tons of flour, some 50 tons each of rice and sugar, 34 tons of pasta, 20 tons of beans, 30 tons of margarine, 18.5 of barley, 33 tons of lentils, five tons of tea, eight tons of powdered milk, 15 tons of humus, two tons of soup and seven tons of astringents.

...

Tens of thousands of liters of gasoline, natural gas and diesel fuel were transferred into Gaza via the fuel terminal at Nahal Oz.

94 humanity  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:08:47pm

#92 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

check #81

95 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:09:20pm

54 easy Well, we do fund them. We have been for, oh, around 60 years?

Time to stop the gravy train.

Yes, the Eurocraps will probably use this kind of story to try to make their friends in Hamas look better.

And Charles just had a story yesterday about how GW Bush is set to "reach out" to the Muslim Brotherhood, who I believe is tied to Hamas. And the NY Times had the article about how Hamas is all set to crack down on crime and drug trafficking in Gaza now.

Hamas-wash time?

96 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:09:29pm

#80 WriterMom

LOL! Yes, but all in a nanosecond until I checked again. I have a habit of reading too fast and misreading, so I know to check before I react!

97 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:09:41pm

#89 maddogg,

BDS, plain and simple!

98 Yank in the EU  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:10:22pm

I was listening to Dore Gold explaining his country's position on supporting Fatah -- that it's their only option to prevent the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda from growing in power.

Link is here: [Link: www.townhall.com...]

He also said:

Well Israel reached a position of mutual recognition with the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) going back to 1993. There were terrible violations of those agreements by Mr Arafat, but if moderate elements in Fatah, including Abu Mazen, also known as Mahmoud Abbas, would come forward and would want to negotiate with Israel, Israel has shown that it is willing and capable to negotiate and even make difficult concessions when it has a real negotiating partner, not somebody who engages in terrorism.

[Link: www.abc.net.au...]

Send money to anyone there? - no, don't do it. Abbas has not demonstrated any willingness to engage in civil war. The only solution seems to be to annhilate Hamas and send a message to the "moderates" in the PLO that they're next. Israel must take the offensive, although that is easy to say without the need of having support in one's country for war.

99 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:12:09pm

I believe we should all give this GWB story of reaching out to the Brotherhood a 48 hour test!

100 FrogMarch  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:13:00pm

Amerikkka is worse!

/the international left
/democrats
/kossicks

101 Macker  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:14:14pm

But...but...but no one's even asked where the Red Binder™ is!

102 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:14:20pm

48 pat

Sing along.

103 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:16:22pm
104 maddogg  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:16:49pm

#97 'Nam Grunt

BDS, plain and simple!

Got to be more to it than that. I hated Bill Clinton with every pore in my body, but it didn't make me think murderous thugs were freedom fighters.

I think Savage must have a point, liberalism is a mental disease.

105 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:18:06pm

89 maddogg

I've tried to think like them but, it bruised my brain worse than any amount of LSD.

106 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:18:14pm

OT:
While the Palestinians are busy turning Fatah's House of Torture into a tourist destination, I'm waiting for Gadot. It's a much more constructive experience.

107 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:18:33pm

NRO LINK

The heat is intense for the enemy and for us. Soldiers, during any chance, would lay-down during the heat of day, and in complete body armor and helmets, fall asleep in the dirt. I took photos of course. Our guys are tough. The enemy in Baqubah is as good as any in Iraq, and better than most. That’s saying a lot. But our guys have been systematically trapping them, and have foiled some big traps set for our guys. I don’t want to say much more about that, but our guys are seriously outsmarting them. Big fights are ahead and we will take serious losses probably, but al Qaeda, unless they find a way to escape, are about to be slaughtered. Nobody is dropping leaflets asking them to surrender. Our guys want to kill them, and that’s the plan.

A positive indicator on the 19th and the 20th is that most local people apparently are happy that al Qaeda is being trapped and killed. Civilians are pointing out IEDs and enemy fighters, so that’s not working so well for al Qaeda. Clearly, I cannot do a census, but that says something about the locals.

108 bulwrk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:18:33pm

#76/NoSubmission


Anyone wanna take a stab at a caption for pic 2?


Party of five your table is now available.

109 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:18:46pm

#104 maddogg,

What was it that I typed that wasn't clear?

110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:19:27pm

Nothing like hearing the truth;

Why Are We Abetting Terrorists?

The Palestinians are a backward people, indoctrinated toward brutality. They don't rate a sovereign state or anyone's help until they civilize themselves. Sovereignty is a privilege that implies acceptance of civilized norms — that is why we speak of states like Iran and North Korea as "rogues." Regardless of whether there really are scattered Palestinian moderates, it is a dangerous fantasy to assume the Palestinian people, as a whole, are ready to be anyone’s peace partner.

We are enabling their hatred when we provide support without insisting that the Palestinian people — not just Abbas and Fatah, but the people — convincingly foreswear revolution, terrorism, violence, ethnic-cleansing, and the goal of eliminating Israel. We are a generation or more, at least, from any hope of such developments. In the meantime, as long as we subsidize the hatred, we shall be buying more of it, while giving the Palestinians no incentive to reform.

111 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:20:53pm
112 maddogg  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:21:12pm

#109 'Nam Grunt

Roger.

113 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:21:58pm

This is big - because the Aussies did what the Brits refused to do - they repelled an Iranian attempt to sieze a Aussie patrol in international waters in the Gulf before the Brits had their sailors and Marines captured by Iranian forces. The British didn't learn from the Aussie incident.

114 Atman  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:22:29pm

#76 NoSubmission

Anyone wanna take a stab at a caption for pic 2?


"And over here we have the kids' bedroom..."


/...don't want to stab anyone, though...

115 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:22:37pm

#107 Peacekeeper

Yon is a blessing. I'm so tired of hearing stories that do nothing but run a death counter.

al Qaeda, unless they find a way to escape, are about to be slaughtered. Nobody is dropping leaflets asking them to surrender. Our guys want to kill them, and that’s the plan.
116 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:23:36pm

#113 lawhawk,

It's all about motivation! I would surf with an Aussie any day, if I knew how. LOL

117 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:25:05pm

#115 Silhouette,

And kill them dead as we should, next page.

118 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:25:12pm

OT - How about a little good news?

From Michael Yon's report on "Arrowhead Ripper" (I LOVE that name!)- here's the money quote:

Big fights are ahead and we will take serious losses probably, but al Qaeda, unless they find a way to escape, are about to be slaughtered. Nobody is dropping leaflets asking them to surrender. Our guys want to kill them, and that’s the plan.

119 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:26:47pm
Australians re-boarded the vessel they had just searched, aimed their machine guns at the approaching Iranians and warned them to back off, using what was said to be "highly colourful language".

Heh

120 MrMom  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:27:03pm

#103 MandyManners 6/21/2007 12:16:22 pm PDT

It's fun to tweak the Kennedys.

Thanks, Mandy for reminding us about the "Shemps" of the Catholic Church :b
heh

121 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:27:43pm

#111 buzzsaw,

** Guffaw **

Iowahawk worthy. I'm telling you, you're wasting your time with us minions - but for sheer entertainment value, I refuse to let you leave.

By the way, I saw your note on Twain. I shall attempt to do so.

122 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:28:25pm

#76 nosubmission:

And here is where we keep those people who don't know and don't care.

123 sabra412  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:29:30pm
124 Armed  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:29:44pm
#84: Think old Andy Sullivan will mention this story on The Daily Dish?

Only if it can be determined that they were first made to wear panties before being brutally executed.

125 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:30:21pm

#118 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey,

Ohhh crap, we used to tell each other the same thing in 'Nam before going on an OP, it's all about forgetting that you might die and remember your training, GOD BLESS GRUNTS, we will always be here! In your neighborhoods , malls, or anywhere else, we will always step up to the plate to neutralize a threat, it's built in. LOL

126 bulwrk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:31:13pm

Aussies using highly colorful language makes me all fuzzy inside

127 Joel  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:31:31pm

If ever the saying "A plague on both your houses" was appropriate - it would be between Fatah and Hams. Comparing those two would be akin to comparing the N.K.V.D. and the Gestapo during World War II.

128 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:31:53pm

BTW the guy that strangled the Bobcat that attacked him the other day was a 'Nam Vet., go figure!

129 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:32:21pm
130 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:32:33pm

#126 bulwrk,

Aussies using highly colorful language makes me all fuzzy inside

Yeah, me too. I'll bet the announcement didn't start off with "Hey mate..."

131 abu_garcia  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:34:36pm

#56 GraniteBill

"Someone went to Fatah's Torture Chamber,
and all I got was this bloody T-shirt"

Good one.

Cox and Forkum, how about it?

132 easy  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:34:41pm

From the LA Times

Punishing journalists has become a standard tactic of terror. Which side is Hamas on?

OK, I give.

133 lobo91  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:35:17pm

OT, but not really:

I sent the NY Times an email about the Hamas editorial yesterday. Surprisingly, I even got a response.

My original message:

I am absolutely dumbfounded at your newspaper's decision to print an Op-Ed piece written by Ahmed Yousef, who is nothing more than the public face of an international terrorist organization.

I realize that the Times' editorial staff is, for the most part, determined to do whatever it takes to hobble President Bush and bring an early end to the war in Iraq, but printing this sort of garbage verges on sedition.

Would your paper have assisted, say, the Stalinist regime in the Soviet Union in covering up the deaths of millions in the 1930s?

Oh, wait...the Times actually did do that, and won a Pullitzer Prize for it.

Never mind.

The response from the Times public editor:

Dear Reader,

Thank you for writing. I passed your concern about the Hamas editorial to David Shipley, the editor in charge of the oped department. His reply is below. Mr. Hoyt will mention the editorial and the reaction it received in his column this Sunday.

The news of the Hamas takeover of Gaza was one of the most important stories of the week. Hamas is the elected government of the Palestinian
Authority. Mr. Yousef is the chief political adviser to the ousted prime minister. The U.S.government and other Western powers were siding with Fatah in the Palestinian power struggle. This was our opportunity to hear what Hamas had to say. I thought our readers would be interested, even if they strongly disagreed with Hamas’s stance.

Sincerely,
Michael McElroy
Office of the Public Editor
The New York Times

134 zmdavid  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:36:24pm

#103 MandyManners

I see Joe Kennedy II is head of Citizen's Energy, which distributes Citgo Oil to the poor - figures.

135 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:36:27pm

#132 easy

Which side is Hamas on?

I was drinking when I read that. Bad mistake.

136 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:36:49pm

I was on an OP with my LRRP Team and the Aussie LRRP's once upon a time and I was shamed for my guys, they are the best!

137 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:36:52pm

115 Silhouette I pray that remains the plan. I'd like to see that same plan used on Al Sadr and friends as well.

138 jill e  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:37:30pm

Fred Thompson on CAIR

[Link: abcradionetworks.com...]

139 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:37:35pm

Buzzsaw,

I'll flip through yesterday posts later this evening. Only stopped in to eat my hotdog and see what the market was doing.

Talk to you this evening after I've read it. You talking about the Lena Horne flick?

140 david e  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:37:46pm

I'll bet the Aussies used among other phrases "bugger off".

And by the way Hamas did not kill a SINGLE ONE, they killed them all.

141 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:37:47pm

BDVM,

Followed the link.

Does it make me a war mongerer if I like the sound of our guys wanting to kill them?

/

142 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:38:24pm
143 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:38:35pm

I'm guessing "shrimp on the barbie" was NOT one of the colorful phrases.

144 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:38:44pm

136 LRRP I knew a guy who did those. He told a funny (in hindsight) story of falling asleep on some kind of pallet, and getting washed away by monsoon rain one night.

145 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:39:37pm

This is too funny.

Rights Group Protests Release of Gitmo Detainees

Some of the bad guys want to stay!

146 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:39:59pm
147 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:40:40pm

#133 lobo91,

Why didn't you whip another email to that bastard and ask him if he was an American or not, that bunch have been treasonist for too long!

148 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:41:23pm

142 ploome

Soon after the referendums it became apparent that the European politicians intended to ignore the people's verdict and proceed with their plans for constructing the superstate. During the past six months, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has been busy drafting a so-called amended treaty. This bypasses the need for public referendums on the new powers for Brussels, but retains the substance of the constitution — granting the EU substantial powers over its member states, such as the right to override national legislation and to impose a common foreign policy.

The British have always distrusted grandiose political schemes more than the continental West Europeans. In order to get London's support for Mrs. Merkel's amended treaty, Nicolas Sarkozy, the new president of France, has offered Tony Blair the job of the first president of Europe. Mr. Blair steps down as British prime minister on June 27 and is looking for a new job.

Just yesterday the NY Times said GW and Condi wanted Blair to become our new super-envoy to the Palis after the 27th.

Hey Tony--take the EU job.

149 zombie  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:41:59pm

Hahahahahaha --

I've been registering accounts under various names at the SF Chronicle's web site, and making comments -- the exact kind of comments they don't want to see -- on articles there.

Today I dropped a couple on "Violet Blue," the Chronicle's newly hired "sex columnist" -- one of those typical intentionally offensive hipsters who put on a "skanky slut" persona to attract mates because they're too ugly to get any action any other way.

Here are the two comments I've posted so far about her "10 Ways to Get Lubed in SF" latest column, under different names:

Your schtick got old long ago, Violet. Your column is just a boring carbon-copy of every tedious urban faux-outré sex column in America. Sad. The Chronicle has been laying off real writers and real reporters right and left (well, mostly left), and they have money to keep paying you for this drivel? Talk about bad financial management. Hey, Chronicle publishers, get a clue: the whole weltangshauung of "sex-positive" (i.e. romance-negative) f*ck-columnists like Violet Blue and her ilk is not "shocking" to the "squares" as you imagine, but just pointless, self-congratulatory and way past its expiration date. Why don't you publish something that someone wants to actually read? I suppose your circulation numbers are of no importance to you. Perhaps you're running the Chronicle into the ground intentionally, as a tax write-off? Hmmm, that's a theory worth pondering.

---

Violet Blue is just one soldier in the anti-love army, part of a movement that was spawned in academia to intentionally undermine the traditional social structure by promoting promiscuity and lovelessness. Post-Marxist philosophers, seeking a way to bring about the disintegration of capitalist society -- after previous attempts have failed -- identified the cornerstone of Western culture: monogamy, heterosexual love, and the nuclear family. So a wide-ranging program was developed, as outlined by Gramsci, to change the very mores of society, for the acknowledged and specific purpose of eradicating the traditional family structure; to that end, thinkers and academics have been actively promoting no-strings-sttached sexual encounters, lovelessness, the biologizing of sex, queerness and camp, homosexuality, selfish instant gratification, and promiscuity. Violet is part of this movement, even if she herself doesn't know it! She is a tool of revolutionaries, and a fool of the highest order.

150 David Simon  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:42:07pm

Moonbats down under have a new theatrical work to savor:

A SCHOOL assignment asks students to name a contemporary hero who is prepared to give up personal wealth for what he believes in and is inspirational to many people.

This is the opening premise for the prize-winning play Osama the Hero by English playwright Dennis Kelly, who wrote it soon after the invasion of Iraq.

[Link: www.theage.com.au...]

151 easy  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:42:40pm

#99 'Nam Grunt
Sun article.

Earlier this year, the National Intelligence Council received a paper it had commissioned on the history of the Muslim Brotherhood by a scholar at the Nixon Center, Robert Leiken, who is invited to the State Department meeting today to present the case for engagement.


It's a long way from policy.

152 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:43:42pm

#141 formercorpsman

Does it make me a war mongerer if I like the sound of our guys wanting to kill them?

Wanting to kill those who are causing the war is wanting peace.

Even moonbats can understand that reasoning, as they use it to justify death threats to the president and support for the 'insurgents.'

153 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:45:17pm

133 lobo LOL good letter. I love how they basically imply that you just don't understand the nuance of the situation.

Knuckledragger that you are and all.

LOL

154 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:46:01pm
155 WeaselZipper  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:46:45pm

OT:
With the exception of Israel who is our only true ally in the Middle East?

Pope Benedict: Christians Murdered by Jihadis are "Martyred in the name of Christ"

Get off your arse Bush and help these people!

156 jill e  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:47:19pm

Islamic pressure forces evangelical congregation to vacate building—IN PARIS!

[Link: www.onenewsnow.com...]

157 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:48:52pm

#150 David Simon

A SCHOOL assignment asks students to name a contemporary hero who is prepared to give up personal wealth for what he believes in and is inspirational to many people.

Silly me. My first thought were all the men that signed the Declaration of Independance, risking their lives and fortunes. Guess they aren't contemporary, though, but it was my first thought.

158 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:49:25pm

134 zmdavid

Figures.

159 lobo91  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:49:45pm

#153 funky chicken:

I love how they basically imply that you just don't understand the nuance of the situation.

Knuckledragger that you are and all.

Well, I did send it from my military webmail account, which would tend to reinforce their belief.

I'm just another one of those people who didn't study hard enough in school and was forced to join the Army, after all.

Not sure how the fact that I have a graduate degree fits into their stereotype of Army NCOs, exactly. Might make their heads explode.

160 WeaselZipper  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:50:13pm

156 jill e

Thabot says Temple de Paris Church has been unable to secure another worship center. "For an evangelical or Protestant church, it is almost next to impossible to buy or to rent any premises," she says. "As soon as they find out you are a church, there is nothing open to us."

Thabot says many churches in the area have been closed and have had similar difficulties in securing new facilities. But she claims Muslims can secure property for building a mosque simply by paying one euro to the authorities.

France waving the white flag

161 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:51:05pm

1) I never heard 'shrimp' referred to by that name when I was drinking and eating in Perth. IIRC, Perth and Freemantle, like Singapore and Hong Kong, other cities I drank and ate seafood in, used the term 'prawn'.

Now, I never had heard of a 'Blooming Onion' before going to Australia, but back at UT, an Australian guy working on his master's degree assured me there was no such thing. I haven't asked any irish people yet, but I suspect the 'Irish Haystack' served at Bennigans has no such Hibernian counterpart.


I will say, one can find American Budweiser pretty much everywhere, but the cheapest supermarket beer I found in Hong Kong was good old American Stroh's, which is 'shorts' spelled backwards.

162 MandyManners  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:52:31pm

149 zombie

I wonder if it'll send her home whimpering.

163 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:52:45pm

Is there no end to how the muslim savages here and there try to milk the airwaves at how great they are? Face it folks they are about to be shocked at what the west is about to do to them they are doomed, course they would like that. LOLOLOLOL!

164 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:53:39pm

145 jammie hay achmed get the f*ck out. we need that room for a new health spa

165 formercorpsman  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:53:42pm
152 Silhouette 6/21/2007 12:43:42 pm PDT

#141 formercorpsman

Does it make me a war mongerer if I like the sound of our guys wanting to kill them?
Wanting to kill those who are causing the war is wanting peace.

Even moonbats can understand that reasoning, as they use it to justify death threats to the president and support for the 'insurgents.'

Silhouette, it was my poor attempt at trying to be cute.

The though that our folks in uniform have a greater interest in making the enemy fish food, as opposed to converting them from their ways makes me happy.

When I hear this, it is along the same feeling I get at the beginning of the superbowl watching the jets fly in missing man formation.

Surrender or die.

I love that option.

166 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:53:52pm

Re: apparent tornadic thunderstorm in post 154- on current path, will hit the college town of Ithaca, NY in 15 minutes if it doesn't dissipate.

167 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:53:56pm

Western culture: monogamy, heterosexual love, and the nuclear family. So a wide-ranging program was developed, as outlined by Gramsci, to change

You been reading Babba posts!

168 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:56:46pm

159 lobo Bwahhaa My husband's USAF, on the O side. 3 master's degree, 2 the military paid for.

They really, really have no idea.

/napalm stick to kids, ya know. even though we don't use it any more...except in MSM dispatches.

169 jill e  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:56:50pm

WSJ article on why terrorism as statehood results in Gaza mayhem and murder.

[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

170 zombie  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:57:17pm
#167 Peacekeeper
You been reading Babba posts!

Actually, where it all started was that Babba was reading my posts!

Mike C will never forgive me for introducing the dreaded "G-word" (Gramsci) around here.

171 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:57:24pm

Good news- just in case Ithaca does get hit by a tornado, nearby Cornell University does have a Department of Earth and Atmospheric Scinces.

A tornado would be a learning experience.

172 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:58:01pm

I've been drunk in Ithaca.

And most of Central and Western NY.

Just happen to be heading that way in about 40 hours.

173 Atman  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:58:13pm

#160 WeaselZipper

France waving the white flag


An oldie but goodie...
France Surrenders to Texas High School

174 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:58:44pm
175 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:59:02pm

Zombi

You do succeed in sounding like two different people. You can send her this one with my permission;

Dear Violet:
I like to bang my dog now and then. My mom says I should be using a condom. It's not like I can catch anything, right? I mean, I love that bitch.
-Bad Dog in Berkely

176 jill e  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 12:59:38pm

Makes Abu Ghraib look like a fashion show.

177 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:00:42pm

We (The American people) are safe folks from the murdering muslims, they are so stupid that it's beyond the realm, if they keep pushing on the tug of war they will definately end up in the mud, what's left of them!

178 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:01:02pm
179 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:01:44pm

163 nam grunt It's about fookin time we stopped trying to win their hearts and minds and just dispatched them off to meet allah like they always scream about anyway.

180 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:04:00pm

#179 funky chicken,

Ummm, hmmm!

181 David E  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:04:14pm

In Sydney about a zillion years ago you would see shrimp on the menu, but you would order prawn. And beachside venders had prawn and chips.

182 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:04:42pm
Mike C will never forgive me for introducing the dreaded "G-word" (Gramsci) around here.

BIG MIKE IS RIPPING US OFF!

183 maddogg  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:05:55pm

Man, theres something about Islamic Rage Boy makes me think he would look really good graced with a crosshair.

184 zombie  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:05:58pm
#175 Peacekeeper
You can send her this one with my permission;

Well, I've already commented under my two accounts, so you'd have to start your own account there to post it. Alternately, and more simply, you (and everyone!) can simply go to the comments page and click "Recommended" for my comments. They have some sort of Digg-like system there.

185 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:06:38pm

offo el topico,

Czech president Vaclav Klaus bitch slaps global warming hysterics.

All that environmentalists demand is responsibility. Responsibility of those who cause damage to others to pay for that damage, and to do their utmost to stop inflicting it. I had the impression that responsibility was supposed to be a conservative virtue, and a necessary complement to the great freedom we have in our open market economies. But more and more I see the supporters of capitalism demand that they be free to dump their waste on their neighbours lawns without consequence. What happened?
Nanne Zwagerman

Vaclav Klaus: Environmentalists do not demand responsibility. Responsibility is not their idea, it is a basic, elementary aspect of human behaviour – on condition government policies do not give wrong incentives. The idea of responsibility for damage done to others is not the environmentalists’ copyright. It is a standard of human behaviour. Environmentalists – especially in the case of global warming – artificially created “a damage” (higher temperature) and made all of us responsible for it. I don’t believe in this “damage” and I am not ready to pay for it. The role of men in slightly higher global temperature (0.6°C in the last century) is only marginal, if any.

To say that “the supporters of capitalism demand that they are free to dump their waste on their neighbours lawns without consequence” has the beauty of communist propaganda I had a chance to “enjoy” during the first 48 years of my life.

...

Do you feel that the global warming is being used as a rallying point for the forces of globalisation? It is much like the Avian flu propaganda don’t you agree? Problem, reaction, solution. The trillionaires, that want to rule the world, are going to save us... that’s what I’m getting. What is your view?
Mark Lemmon

Vaclav Klaus: I don’t think that the environmentalists are “the trillionaires who want to rule the world”. I am afraid the environmentalists want to rule the world without being capable to earn those trillions because it requires to work very hard. The global warming propaganda is, I agree, similar to the Avian flu propaganda, the Y2K propaganda, the end of resources propaganda, the overpopulation propaganda, etc. Their proposals will not increase the globalisation of human activities, they are in favour of global governance only. This is something very different. I am in favour of the first globalisation, not of the second one.

186 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:06:39pm

Storm spotters reported a tornado on the ground in Seneca County, with tree damage.

I've been drunk in whatever the county Saratoga Springs is in, but that is closer to ALB.

187 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:06:54pm

I've been to Austrailia twice (No Brag) and prawn is the way to go, but you can't beat the bar fights those boys get into in the pubs for entertainment! LOL, kinda like Texas bars.

188 NinoBrown79  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:07:45pm

DailyKos comment mode on: So this makes Fatah just like Abu Gharib and GITMO. I hate George Bush. DailyKos comment mode off.

189 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:08:19pm

Camarones Brocheta, (sp?)

Shrimp, stuffed with a jalapeño pepper, wrapped in bacon.


Not at all halal for the Eid, but darned tasty.

190 Axiom  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:09:35pm

OT: Keith Olbermann's book is officially a sales loser.

Oly book $4.95

This is the hardcover price.

191 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:09:52pm

133 lobo I reread your note and response from the NY Times. Funny stuff "even if our readers disagreed with the Hamas stance" hahaahaha

Would you typical NY Times reader be more offended by Hamas's claim to want to crack down on crime or the drug trade?

Fascists! LOL

192 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:10:37pm

#165 formercorpsman

I figured, but it is actually a question I wanted to address for those lurking/watching, potentially to reach that one moonbat who supports violence to stop the war.

Maybe a lightbulb will go off and they'll realize that if violence is sometimes justified to fight evil, then why did they start hating the war in the first place, which they said was bad only because "war is never the answer?"

I know it's a long shot, but, hey, can't hurt to try.

193 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:10:48pm

#190 Axiom,

Imagine that, he IS a loser so that's apropo!

194 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:11:03pm

I will say, I believe the Mexican restaurant I found in Freemantle did not have either Mexican kitchen staff or genuine Mexican food, and I believe the food might have been made from supermarket purchased "Old El Paso" meal packs.

Burger King was called Hungry Jacks.

We unrepped an Australian guided misisle frigate once. It was identical in every way that I could see to an American FFG-7 class frigate, except it had a red kangaroo painted on the superstructure behind the bridge.

195 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:12:46pm

Nam Grunt, formercorpsman WARMONGERS lol

196 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:13:43pm

#186 ed of many names:

Saratoga Springs is in Saratoga county.

197 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:13:45pm

Rotation appears to have weakened considerably on Upstate NY thunderstorm.

198 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:13:47pm

#195 funky chicken,

Thanks, s**t eatin' grin!

199 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:15:12pm

wowzer I'm a regular typo factory today

200 lawhawk  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:15:22pm

Fatah thugs in West Bank call Hamas a bunch of clowns.

Yes, they might be clowns, but they're clowns who have guns and kicked Fatah butt back to the West Bank.

What does that make Fatah? A$$clowns? (sorry, couldn't help myself)...

201 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:15:25pm
It was identical in every way that I could see to an American FFG-7 class frigate, except it had a red kangaroo painted on the superstructure behind the bridge.

Also, the toilets flushed in the opposite rotational direction.

202 David E  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:15:29pm

By the way REAL Mexican food is not the same as southwestern food. If you want your food spicy and hot the southwest is for you. Of course there is always Thai.

203 NinoBrown79  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:15:43pm

War is never the answer. Except when America's enemies use it to fight U.S. imperialism or Israel. ok can i win a nobel prize now?

204 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:16:52pm

Checking storm reports, numerous reports of penny and even nickel sized hail in Seneca County, but in Texas, we just laugh at that.


It has to be at almost golf ball sized hail before it dings automotive sheetmetal, and bigger than golf balls before it starts to crack windshields.

205 RTLM  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:17:17pm

Ron Paul Excluded in Iowa June 30th Debate More Rightwing conspiracy no doubt.

206 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:18:42pm

#202 David E,

Go Lemongrass!

207 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:19:50pm

Real Mexican food is made from cow stoamchs and intestines.


My wife doesn't make it, but her Aunt (Tia Elvira) and her grandmother do.


Good stuff on a cold day.

208 lobo91  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:20:15pm

#191 funky chicken:

Would you typical NY Times reader be more offended by Hamas's claim to want to crack down on crime or the drug trade?

You know, in all seriousness, I just went back and re-read Hamas-boy's op-ed piece, and I don't see much in it that the typical Times reader would find offensive.

It really isn't all that different from your typical HuffPo/Kos/DU/Olberman rant, actually.

209 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:20:59pm

Ron Paul should be excluded period, what an idiot, and I used to live in his district whatanightmare!

210 David E  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:21:36pm

Speaking of thai food, there was a fabulous joint near one of the marinas in Sydney. And what is really weird there is a wealth of excellent thai joints in Milwaukee, go figure.

211 Silhouette  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:21:49pm

#205 RTLM

It's just like Rudolph!

212 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:22:30pm

From Hot Air Headlines...
Footage of Purported Planning of Assassination Plot on Abbas


Mahmoud Abbas in a television address on June 20, accused Hamas of trying to assassinate him when he planned a visit to Gaza a month ago, digging a tunnel under a road where his car was to pass and by filling it with 250 kilograms of explosives. He said he received videotapes of the operation, showing armed groups with Hamas signs on their shirts carrying out the preparation of the assassination.

Click Here
to View the Clip on Youtube
213 Nemo  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:22:44pm

This shuold go out to the Islamic world:

If, as a result of your hateful teachings, anyone who can be traced to your country brings harm to a country in the "allied countries against Islamic hatred" (ACAIH), your country or countries will suffer the full and unmerciful wrath of all ACAIH members (probably the membership would be small LOL).

Untraditional wars require untraditional means to fight them.

You are now indeed your brothers keeper.

214 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:23:44pm

It took me three bottles of Kloster to get down a plate of 'chicken with chilis' at the restaurant of the hotel I stayed at in Bangkok back when the USS Chuck Wagon (CVN-70) was visiting Pattaya Beach.


Talk about a runny nose.

I could eat that kind of stuff back then, but now, it seems to irritate my lower digestive tract, if you catch my meaning.

215 David Simon  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:25:10pm

I wonder what sage advice Violet Blue would give this horny bastard:

Defence lawyers for Kylie Louise Wilson, 28, said the mother of two "lost it" when her friend of six years, Daniel Peter Blair, went on a masturbation marathon on April 6 last year.

Brisbane's District Court this morning heard Mr Blair had showed up at Wilson's unit at Birkdale unit, in Redland Shire, where he took amphetamines before having a shower.

Whilst in the bathroom, Mr Blair, 32, began pleasuring himself, before moving to Wilson's bedroom, where he rolled around naked on her bed and continued his lewd conduct.

[Link: www.theage.com.au...]

Who would have thought that rubbing one off could be so hazardous to one's health?

216 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:26:22pm

I looove Thai food and my little oriental flower rightymouse keeps me up to date on recipes, bless her heart!

217 yochanan  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:27:28pm

caption for photo #2

after i cut there head off the remaining meat is HALAL.

218 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:33:28pm

#212 Killgore:

showing armed groups with Hamas signs on their shirts

Those must be pretty bland.

Hi! My name is Mohammed


Hi! My name is Mohammed


Hi! My name is Mohammed


Hi! My name is Mohammed


Hi! My name is Mohammed


Hi! My name is Mohammed

219 'Nam Grunt  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:34:00pm

Got to go y'all, it's been real for sure! LOL

220 republic  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:36:22pm

islam, ALL islam = deceit and barbaric murder

221 David E  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:38:08pm

'Nam Grunt, I like the food enough and we do have a thai grocery reasonably close, I should get off my rear end and try cooking the stuff myself.

222 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:38:52pm

218 OR I was thinking the same thing: these dumb bastards wear nametags with the company motto on them to plant bombs?

LOL

223 thabo  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:40:41pm

“We didn’t kill a single one of them,” "We won't admit anything or tell the truth" counters Abu Mohammed. “That would be un-Islamic.”

there, fixed it

224 MJ  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:41:54pm

" Rushdie is not the problem. Muslims are."

Irshad Manji: Islam the problem

[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

225 funky chicken  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:42:47pm

gotta go, neighbor found runaway pup

226 cosmo  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:45:47pm

#10: Ditto, my brother from another mother.

227 Hard Right  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 1:51:02pm

Lobo #133

How dare you take things "out of context". ;)

Moonbat Translation: We really like Hamas better since they hate America and the jooos so rabidy. That's why we decided to be their propaganda whore under the guise that they have the same right to express their POV as non-terrorists do.

228 flyingtigress  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 2:08:25pm

#10

We're getting off-topic here, folks.

Let's get our priorities straight:

ABU GHRAIB! GUANTANAMO! PANTIES ON THE HEAD! KORANS IN THE TOILET!

There. Now I feel better.

You forgot the "Harry Potter" readings and "Rock and Roll music, played loudly", Zombie

229 The Duke  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 2:15:40pm

I don't care what people say , I'm voting for Fred Thompson whether he runs or not ...

Heres Why !

Theres absolutely no Bullcrap to whatever this guy says

230 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 2:24:08pm

So when do we get the tour of the Hamas torture chambers?

231 peck  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 3:06:59pm

#111 buzzsawmonkey
Thank you for that informative response. Seldom do I visit LGF without learning something, but I must say today was a big winner. You raised many points that I would have never considered, not being overly familiar with the textbook market.
I do hope the Palestinian market picks up. They seem to have some stiff competition from the better funded A-Q publishers. Perhaps this new wave of torture-tourist landmarks will provide a spark for expansion. It's all in the marketing and there are probably some very good PR firms that could help out. Maybe a little in-house competition would be good. Give both fatah and hamas a chance to show their wares. Competition generally fosters improved products/services.

#121 nat
I agree - very Iowahawk-worthy. buzz doesn't even need to use the / tag.

232 HongQi  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 3:26:54pm

All I want to know is where are the stinkin' foot baths? My airport had to get one but in a jihad lovin'...oh, forget it!

233 ladycatnip  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 3:34:02pm

Stickin' my nose in late here, I read peck's #231 post, got curious and went to #111.

Hilarious! Charles should post that on the front page.

234 Sharmuta  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 3:45:45pm
Where parents in other parts of the world might take their children to a chamber of horrors in an amusement park, the main attractions in the Gaza Strip these days are Fatah’s torture chambers.

Imagine- people taking children to see these rooms! But then again, these people also dress their children up as suicide bombers.

235 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 4:06:32pm
236 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 4:17:22pm
237 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 4:20:50pm
238 Joseph  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 4:34:50pm

For a second I thought it said A Visit to Farrah's Torture Chamber

Not to date myself, but I guess hope springs eternal.

239 blogroll  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 5:31:43pm

#76
PHOTO
Anyone wanna take a stab at a caption for pic 2?

No, I promise you these bathrooms are cleaned once an hour. The doors are all painted red on the inside after each cleaning

240 ladycatnip  Thu, Jun 21, 2007 5:39:18pm

#155 weasel zipper

Get off your arse Bush and help these people!

I second that and raise it to the Church.

Where is the outrage from Christians? Every Protestant and Catholic church should have signs at the entrance: Remember our brothers and sisters in Africa and the Middle East. Priests and pastors should be talking about this to the congregants; there should be letter writing campaigns, phone calls to our elected officials and to the State Dept.; the pressure on our government should be constant and unrelenting.

Why are we Christians so laissez-faire about our own being slaughtered?

241 zionausi  Fri, Jun 22, 2007 2:11:14am

Do you think the media will report it as much as Abu Ghraib?
Some can only dream . . .

242 BabbaZee  Fri, Jun 22, 2007 5:30:49am

#170 zombie 6/21/2007

12:57:17 pm PDT

#167 Peacekeeper
You been reading Babba posts!

Actually, where it all started was that Babba was reading my posts!


Actually Zombie I was aware of the Whoredoms of Gramsci before LGF , I just never made the connection to apply it to our situation till after 9/11... I was entirely apolitical before 9/11.

I never really saw you post on Gramsci too much, or at least I don't remember you doing it too often but I do remember you did understand the threat from that quarter more clearly than most and very early on in the scheme of things.

I would have been screaming Gramscian Whores and pissing off the "Mike C's" with or without you... but it is far better with you IMO!


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