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Tue, Jul 3, 2007 at 7:56:30 am PDT

If you were hoping that British elites might be shocked into a state of awareness by the Islamic terror attacks, you’re going to be sorely disappointed.

Because new prime minister Gordon Brown thinks the best way to approach the subject is to crack down on speech and refuse to acknowledge reality: Brown: Don’t say terrorists are Muslims.

Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in connection with the terrorism crisis.

The Prime Minister has also instructed his team – including new Home Secretary Jacqui Smith – that the phrase “war on terror” is to be dropped.

The shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to improve community relations and avoid offending Muslims, adopting a more “consensual” tone than existed under Tony Blair. ...

Mr Brown’s spokesman acknowledged yesterday that ministers had been given specific guidelines to avoid inflammatory language. “There is clearly a need to strike a consensual tone in relation to all communities across the UK,” the spokesman said. “It is important that the country remains united.”

He confirmed that the phrase “war on terror” – strongly associated with Mr Blair and US President George Bush – has been dropped.

Officials insist that no direct links with Muslim extremists have been publicly confirmed by police investigating the latest attempted terror attacks. Mr Brown himself did not refer to Muslims or Islam once in a BBC TV interview on Sunday.

Ms Smith also avoided any such reference in her statement to MPs yesterday.

She said: “Let us be clear – terrorists are criminals, whose victims come from all walks of life, communities and religions. Terrorists attack the values shared by all law-abiding citizens. As a Government, as communities, as individuals, we need to ensure that the message of the terrorists is rejected.”

Tory backbencher Philip Davies said: “I don’t know what purpose is served by this. I don’t think we need pussyfoot around when talking about terrorism.”

But former Tory homeland security spokesman Patrick Mercer said: “This is quite a smart idea. We know that the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism and we have to accept there are sensitivities about these matters.”

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1 RTLM  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 7:58:07am

That's a fine start...

2 Axiom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 7:58:24am

You see, terrorism is a PR problem.

3 the Boodge  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 7:58:43am
4 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 7:59:24am

Ignore the threat and it will go away.

5 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 7:59:41am

Waiting for Tory

6 bob tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:00:06am
Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims

No, the other way around: say: Muslims are Terrorists

7 songbird  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:00:07am

What a Crock! The only way to see the truth is to shed light on the darkness.

Those muslim doctors sure don't want that to happen, do they!

8 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:00:12am
But former Tory homeland security spokesman Patrick Mercer said: “This is quite a smart idea. We know that the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism and we have to accept there are sensitivities about these matters.”

There are many, many more dark days ahead for Britain.

9 uncle_monkey  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:00:15am

Sure, and take away the reason behind the acts of terror disgruntle-ism?

10 wargammer2005  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:00:23am

WOW

if only hitler was smart enough to hold off on the invasions and send a bunch of nazi to England to whine.

so the slow cooking of the frog comtinues...

11 BrianA  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:00:29am

Dhimmi idiots

12 BingoBunny  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:01:02am

"this is quite the smart idea."

/and then he bowed low and rubbed his forehead on the ground.

13 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:01:28am

On the other hand, I guess they're having fun blowing cars, just as a precautionary measure.

14 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:01:59am

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15 JCM  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:02:13am

Mr. Brown,just when was the last bombing, beheading, attack not committed by Muslims?

16 Les Spain  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:02:41am

So, the UK is not at war? Muslims are not responsible for the terrorist acts plaguing them? I fail to understand how avoiding the truth will help the situation. In fact, this looks like a very bad sign to me.

The next step of a rapid and precipitous pull out from Iraq seems inevitable to me. I hope I'm wrong.

17 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:02:46am

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18 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:02:48am

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19 Logic Probe  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:02:53am

Good God, I'm stunned. My first thought was that they deserve what they get, with an attitude like that. On second thought, those ninnies aren't likely to ever suffer from the [bigoted word]s attacks, it will be the poor "man on the street" who suffers, and who is probably as agog as I am.

20 acwgusa  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:03:05am

Bender from Futurama:

"I can't see. Are we boned?"

Leela:

"Yeah, we're boned"

I swear, every time I see Charles post yet another boneheaded response to terrorism by a elected official, that clip plays in my head.

21 allah this  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:03:09am
Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in connection with the terrorism crisis.

No biggie. The adjective is redundant anyway.

/just sayin'

22 dennisw  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:03:14am

Pathetic act of dhimmism.

23 madisonsfriend  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:03:33am

So we can start to suspect the Amish and the Quakers, right? In this particular attack this past weekend, are we allowed to acknowledge that these doctors were muslim and conjecture this had something to do with what they did? Perhaps it was a protest against the National Health system by medical personnel and not an attack on the West by jihadi doctors?

24 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:03:43am
25 zmdavid  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:03:50am

"War" is pretty inflammatory as well, maybe they should call it something else.

26 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:03:54am

The word "Muslim" is inflammatory language?

27 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:04:20am

So now it's a War on Disgruntle? A War on Grievance?

28 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:04:28am

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29 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:04:36am
Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in connection with the terrorism crisis.

Can we replace it with 'blood thirsty savages'?

30 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:04:45am
31 jimash  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:05:11am

Terrorism is not crime.
Crime usually has a purpose. A profit or revenge motive or a mental illness motivates criminals. Except for the mentally ill, most criminals strive to survive and even escape their crimes.
Even kidanps and hostage scenarios often have a motive or demand set .
Whether the majority of moslems appreciate terroist acts or not, the fact is that perpetrators are doing it "in the name of ISlam" .

32 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:05:14am

Muhajadin.

33 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:05:28am

Timothy McVeigh!

/

34 red satellite  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:05:39am

Ahhh...such is the nuances of liberals. I've decided that liberalism is actually a NUANCE for an infectious disease.

35 wargammer2005  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:05:40am

his name is GORDON BRown!

GORDON?!

no wonder the brits are screwed.

and no wonder we dont see much of our GORDON.

36 Mr. Neutron  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:05:44am

Lessons learned: none (by the brits that is, the jihadis have learned quite a bit during this episode)

37 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:05:51am

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38 Spider Mensch  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:05:52am

old gordon sounds like the type of person who feeds his dog then leaves the dog in the house alone for the day, comes home to find a steaming pile of dog crap on the dining room table, and wonders "now how did that get there? It couldn't have been my dog!""

39 Persian Shoe  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:06:12am

It makes me so warm and fuzzy knowing Gordon has my back.

Need I/sarc

40 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:06:18am

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41 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:06:31am
42 400lb Gorilla  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:06:51am

Very Harry Potter. He whose name cannot be said kind of stuff. You can't beat an enemy if you can't call him by name.

This is not the England that I know and love

43 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:06:54am
44 Wendya  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:06:54am

"Sensitivities"? I'm sure there are quite a few Brits who are sensitive to the fact that their cowardly government is blaming everyone BUT Muslims for the Muslim terror attacks.

45 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:07:05am

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46 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:07:12am

He's speaking now : Gordon Brown Makes First Commons Statement As Prime Minister (live)

He's talking about limiting the PM's ability to delcare war, "increasing transparency" of intelligence agencies, and allowing protesters to mass in Paliment Square.

This guy's dangerous and weak.

47 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:07:13am

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48 Leonidas Hoplite  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:07:18am

The Death of Western Civilization by One Thousand cuts continues.

Clearly the strategy of Al-Queda is to attack our allies at potential moments of inflection (Spain, UK) in order to effect policy. Why is it so obvious to everyone who isn't a politician?

49 mike_trivisonno  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:07:26am

Muslims are for peace.

Flaming Mo anyone?

50 mike(in)savage  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:07:52am

It's obvious that physicians are at the root of this problem. That's the only common characteristic of these thugs, right?

Time to declare War on Doctors!

51 Confuzed  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:07:54am

Not all Muslims are terrorists.
Not all Germans were Nazis.
But currently only iSlam wants to kill others for not believing as they do.

The RoW ("religion" of War) must not be offended, lest they get angry and start killing again.

Brown is getting off to a bad start. Since you can't please the Mos, you might as well not try not to offend them.

52 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:08:00am

You know, there is another "He who shall not be named."

54 Mountain Soldier  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:08:35am

Well the War on Terror is only a bumper sticker slogan...

55 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:08:38am

Please let us drop these words:

cancer

heart disease

AIDS

malaria

/and if we stop using the word DEATH, we will all live forever

56 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:08:41am

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57 jcm  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:08:50am

Nworb Nodrog.

Driving a flaming Jeep into an airport, putting car bombs in Picadilly. Move along nothing to see here.

58 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:08:50am

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59 zmdavid  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:08:51am
Officials insist that no direct links with Muslim extremists have been publicly confirmed by police investigating the latest attempted terror attacks.

Of course not! They just announced a policy to never mention such links and then cite the fact that no links were mentioned to support the policy. Circular logic.

60 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:09:08am

There's been some good journalism lately about the arrogance of America's elites in trying their best to ram the Shamnesty deal down Joe Six-Pack's throat. Many journalists were surprised that the American public would still respond to egregious legislation driven by special interest groups and America's legislative power brokers.

I hope that ordinary Americans will remember that contrary to the NY Times, the MSM, and even FOX News opinion, we (you and me) still run this country. When we rarely voice our approval in the loudest of terms, then and only then do things change - or constructive legislation get approved.

I say all this to state that until ordinary British citizens band together and call for accountability from their political leadership, they will continue to be spoon fed the politically correct dialogue which is only understood by your enemy as weakness.

Come on Brits! I still believe you got the spunk to right your country. But as long as you let statements posted above go unchallenged, you will continue your path to slow destruction. Don't let it come to that point!

61 Mellow  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:09:10am

Gordon Brown is an old guard socialist and his taking over as PM of the UK and de facto government member of the EU is not a good thing for Britain...
Richard and Helen from EU Referendum have some interesting posts on Gordie taking over.

62 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:09:12am

Is there an equivalent to this anywhere at anytime? The numbers are enormous and even the % involved are frightening, but because a majority probably wouldn't strap a bomb on we're not supposed to notice what they all have in common? Ridiculous. Why would they ever fix their religion when no one will ever tell them it's broken?

63 Joseph  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:09:20am

Wow.

64 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:09:35am

Please say this is a joke. Please? Pretty please with sugar on top? With sprinkles? Whipped cream?

65 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:09:35am
66 Guy_Philly  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:09:35am

Charles ...

Thank you for all of these new improvements ... you're the bomb! (I man that in a very non-terroristic way)

67 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:09:39am
Tory backbencher Philip Davies said: “I don’t know what purpose is served by this. I don’t think we need pussyfoot around when talking about terrorism.”

Blind and Deaf...

..THE car-bomb/suicide-terror operations in London and Glasgow should have provided a fresh opportunity for reminding everyone, especially Muslims in Britain, that terrorism in the name of Islam still poses a major threat to public peace and safety. Yet this is not what is happening.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown keeps repeating that the attacks have nothing to do with Islam - but, at the same time, keeps inviting "Muslim community leaders" to Downing Street to discuss how to prevent attacks. If the attacks have nothing to do with Islam, why invite Muslim "leaders" rather than Buddhist monks?Brown hasn't deemed fit to tell it like it is: that Muslims in Britain, indeed all over the world, must come out and condemn terrorism in unambiguous terms.

[...]

If Islam is the religion of peace, then the real Islamphobes are those who planted the car bombs in London and Glasgow - not the poor Brits who are censoring themselves and curbing their hard-won freedoms in order not to offend "the Muslim community."


Read it all.

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

68 golly_wog  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:09:43am

Please tell me he also said wink, wink, nudge, nudge know what I mean?

69 mattm  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:09:45am

I don't recall any religion But Muslims/Islam blowing them selves up.

70 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:10:04am

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71 RussellJac  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:10:21am

I think it was Ann Coulter who said "Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims".

72 daughter of patriots  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:10:29am

Is the fear of being labelled a 'racist' so great in the UK that even the new Prime Minister is afraid? Islamists must be laughing down at the mosque.

I get the sense even if the next attack is successful, they will dance around the word "Islam," with comparable zeal. Someone needs to give this guy Churchill's book The Gathering Storm.

73 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:10:32am

Well, in fact there has been NO real "war on terror" until now.
There has been war waged on us using terrorism, invasion, oil blackmail.

74 mean Gene  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:10:38am

...

more 'consensual' tone

?
Does that mean we are OK with the occasional bombing?
We consent?
What does it mean?


...We know that the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism and we have to accept there are sensitivities about these matters.”


Sounds like an "or else," is attached to this.
There are two types of obligations placed on muslims:
Fard Kifayah is an obligation on the community as a whole.
Fard Ayn is obligatory upon everyone individually.
One of those is like Christian commands upon all believers, the other allows the community to cough up a jihadist every now and again to satisfy the obligation of the whole group.
(Sort of like in the short story by Shirley Jackson, The Lottery.)

75 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:11:02am

Well, the BBC have identified the common factor that links all these terrorists - it's not Islam though, it's the NHS.

Terror suspects all linked to NHS

Eight people arrested in connection with failed car bombings in Glasgow and London all have links with the National Health Service, the BBC has learned.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

76 jcm  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:11:03am

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77 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:11:43am

#65 ploome hineni

Richard Littlejohn, because of his popularity, is allowed to say the things the majority of us would be arrested for!

78 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:12:33am
79 sadatoni  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:13:19am

A man was preparing to swim across the river when he stumbled upon a scorpion. As he was about to flee, the rattlesnake spoke to him. "If you take me across the river, which I cannot swim without drowning, I promise not to sting you."

The man said "Well, ok, since you promised."

Halfway across the river the scorpion stung him. As he was slowly dying the man asked why. The scorpion said "I can't change who I am."

No matter what Brown thinks, and acts, the Islamic terrorists will still wage terrorism because that's who they are. Appeasement will have no effect.

80 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:13:31am

Memo to Brown: They will chop your head off first chance they get.

They are Muslim terrorists.

81 Old_Maid  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:13:44am

I always like to turn this sort of thing around, put in a few different words; say for example Christians in the UK went on rampages, carbombing and whathaveyou. I am VERY SURE that Gordon Brown would insist that "Christians" not be linked with "Terrorism." I'm sure there'd be NO double standard whatsoever!

A school in San Diego gives muslim students breaks to pray. I'm SURE that if it were Christian/Jewish students wanting to pray, they'd be allowed to, and there'd be NO FUSS whatsoever!

La la la la la ... putting my head back in the sand ...

82 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:13:46am

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83 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:13:48am

Walks like a duck.
Talks like a duck.

But Brown is convinced that calling it a swan is accurate, correct, and factual.

Gotcha.

84 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:13:54am

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85 jehu  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:13:57am

It's not just Brown, what does it say about his "ministers," that all nod yes and complacently go back to eating Muslim ass like cows grazing in a field. Worthless bastards all...our leaders are not much better. COWARDS! You deserve to lose your civilization if you don't fight. These men would slap their wives faces if they scratched their rapists.

86 VRWC  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:14:08am

Utter madness...

This is what we here in the U.S. will be facing when President Hillary launches her "listening tour", sponsored by CAIR.

Whatever your disillusionment with the Republican party after their many disappointments, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not let the appeasers into office! Get involved and make sure that President Rudy can kick some jihadi @ss!

87 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:14:12am
88 Angel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:14:21am

Dang..they need to get a clue from THIS GUY!


Palestinians ‘not real people’

Jerusalem is “not holy to Muslims at all,” the president of the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), Morton Klein, told a Quebec synagogue congregation..

89 zmdavid  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:14:57am

Too many people believe that framing an issue is more important than reality.

90 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:15:00am
91 astronmr20  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:15:23am

Holy jeez.

This is bad.

92 Patrizio  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:15:26am

Mr. James Gordon Brown is a useless with other than as Chancellor of the Exchequer. There really is no point in his being Prime Minister; he's not nearly as qualified as Tony was. The sooner they call for an election, the better. David Cameron will be Prime Minister.

93 reluctant democrat  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:15:26am
Officials insist that no direct links with Muslim extremists have been publicly confirmed by police

What the...?! Read the freaking paper!

Oh, it's an NHS cult! Yeah, that's the story. As Blair would say, this is all loopy loo. More Brits will die, to be sure.

94 mrdriven  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:15:30am

a speech of mass deception here...

not exactly stepping in the right direction to start his role in the battle for Western Civilization...

i hope he's not too close with the jew-hating, terrorist apologist mayor of london...

95 paxnhymn  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:15:33am

75 & 78

so then we must assume that being involved with the BRitish NHS is at the very least not good for your mental health...


go figure...

socialism at it's finest...

96 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:16:29am

Buh-bye UK! Burka-up! ...and be sure to begin practicing your 5 daily head-banging exercises...uh, so solly...prayers.

{We do realize this begins the fast flush? Oh man, here I was thinking today wasn't going to get worse.}

So what in the hell are they, insurgents?

RUN, WITHDRAW!

Uh-oh. Opps.

97 samhein  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:16:32am

Well, then, he and Bush ought to get along swimmingly, as our prez doesn't want to say that 90% (and I'm probably being generous) of the terrorism is committed by muslims either.

This is all turning out so well.

98 Tricky Dick  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:16:37am

Muslims are terrorists because the homicidal, pedophile prophet instructed them to do so.

Mohammed's admiring Muslim biographers Abu Dawud and Tabari both record that in his first year at Medinah after fleeing from Mecca, Mohammed consummated his marriage to Ayisha, a young girl (jariyah) only 9 years old! In this day and age people in any civilized country would consider Mohammed a pedophile and a rapist for marrying and having sex with a little girl child less than ten years old, yet this is still practiced in some Muslim countries! Mohammed was actually illiterate.

Most of the people of Mecca ignored Mohammed when he first started preaching. However they became annoyed when he started insulting and defaming their religions and they tried persuading him to stop this offensive behavior. Mohammed grew alarmed at the growing hostility against him. He slunk out of Mecca one night with a gang of his followers and fled for his life.

Ever since that incident, Mohammed was determined to take revenge on the Meccans. He escaped to Medinah, which had a sizeable Jewish population, and started plotting his revenge. This was the beginning of Mohammed's trail of violence, hatred and bloodshed which his Muslim biographers have documented in detail:

surprise raids and attacks on trade caravans and tribal settlements, the use of plunder thus obtained for recruiting an ever growing army, assassinations of opponents, blackmail, expulsion and massacre of the Jews of Medinah, attack and enslavement of the Jews of Khayber, rape of women and children, sale of these victims into slavery after rape, trickery, treachery and bribery employed to their fullest extent to grow the numbers of his religion Islam which ironically was supposed to mean 'Peace'!
(Islam more accurately means 'Submission'.)

Mohammed organized 86 expeditions and he led 26 of them himself.

Mohammed is the only founder of a major religion who was himself a ruler, conqueror, enslaver, bandit, polygamist and pedophile.

99 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:16:52am

#82 Ward Cleaver

Our Melanie is an amazing and gutsy lady. At least she says it like it is, in spite of some of the backlash she receives.

100 400lb Gorilla  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:17:22am

Is this a real war on terrorism or a Sears war on terrorism?

Just thought I would ask

101 Angel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:17:23am

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102 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:17:27am

Joining the OIC is the answer...he should ask President Bush.

103 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:18:08am

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104 amphibian  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:18:34am

Sure, that makes sense. I'm sure these terro... uh, activists did it because they're all... doctors? Buddhists? Spelunkers?

Shouldn't we be investigating radical medical schools? And caving equipment manufacturers?

105 FightingBack  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:18:38am

Do you think the response would have been different if someone had been killed (recently)?

106 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:18:38am

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107 Mentat  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:19:28am

I predict that the Muslim Brotherhood will elect its first MP to the House of Commons within the next 5 years. Then, we will see officially sanctioned treason spouted directly from the House of Commons. No more of the "unofficial" treason. "We have seen the enemy and he is us."

108 Frank_Mtl  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:20:02am
...We know that the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism


Except everyone knows that the vast majority of terrorists are muslim.

109 Logic Probe  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:21:13am

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110 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:21:38am
Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in connection with the terrorism crisis.

In other words, no matter how much terrorism there is, none of this should ever result in pressure on the muslims community to show their opposition to, or to help in dealing with terrorism. That is bollocks.

He confirmed that the phrase “war on terror” – strongly associated with Mr Blair and US President George Bush – has been dropped.

"Nobody mention the war. Tony might have mentioned it once or twice but I think we got away with it"
/Fawlty Towers

111 Terp Mole  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:22:12am

Would FDR have banned allies from using the word “Shinto” in connection with kamikaze attacks?

Absurdity on stilts.

112 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:22:18am

#103 Killgore Trout

John Smeaton's a hero of our time, and although he doesn't drink alcohol, richly deserves to be rewarded for his heroic act.

I just hope the government don't issue a warrant for his arrest because of "racist" comments!

113 Live4Truth  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:22:44am
The shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to improve community relations and avoid offending Muslims, adopting a more “consensual” tone than existed under Tony Blair. ...


Oh, brother. Buddy, all you have to do is breath to offend Muslims. Looking for things to get offended about is what they live for. If they can't seethe and writhe in pain and anger over something, then what would they do for excitement?

114 mingjaiyo  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:22:47am

As a person of Scot heritage,I am ashamed at sharing the same heritage as the new PM. I did see a display of the old "blue people" yesterday on a bbc link to an interview with one John Smeaton,an individual that ran in towards the fire and properly jacked the terrorist that punched the policeman on exiting the burning Jeep.Smeaton just stated that he couldn't stand by and watch a policeman getting whacked like that,so he dove into the fray and manhandled the terrorist until the police got him under control.That is the spirit that is needed-not this pathetic pandering that Brown is demonstrating and demanding from his cabinet. William Wallace must be spinning in his grave-finally get a Scot to the defacto rulership of England,and he turns out to be a nothing more than a "big jessie"(i.e. a friggin' pansy).

115 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:23:51am

OT

To lighten your day:

Scottish DUI test:

116 Black George Bush  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:24:12am

Dont say Klan members are white :o

Shocka!

117 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:24:16am

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118 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:24:41am

#114 mingjaiyo

This whole government are pansies! And I think that ALL decent Scotsmen owe a huge thanks to John Smeaton for showing us how we should treat these enemies!

119 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:24:43am

A House of Lords and a House of Commons both built on the sandy foundation of Neville Chamberlains.

120 Miss Trixie  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:24:46am

"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

~ Can't remember which lizard to credit but it's spot on!

121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:24:52am
no direct links with Muslim extremists

The attackers were Muslims willing to die to kill Kufr. Seem like a pretty definite link to muslim extremists right there.

122 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:24:53am

It's that restive South Thailand in the news again.

Seven suspected Muslim insurgents arrested in a raid at an Islamic school were identified Tuesday by the Thai army as some of the rebels' top bomb-making specialists in the violence-wracked south.

Police and soldiers raided a private Islamic school in Narathiwat province's Muang district on Sunday night, where they arrested the seven suspects, who were accused of assembling and planting bombs, said army spokesman Col. Akara Thiprote said.

They were suspected of involvement in some of the worst recent violence in the region, including a roadside bombing that killed 11 paramilitary troops on May 31, said Akara.

An Islamist school involved in terrorism? If this happened in the UK under Brown's new policy, they would have to scrub the entire story.

They'd have to say that a religious institution of undetermined origin was raided and a number of persons were taken into custody. No mention of religion. No mention of a madrassa. Nothing.

That's the direction the UK is headed under this asinine policy.

123 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:25:47am

She said: “Let us be clear – terrorists are criminals, whose victims come from all walks of life, communities and religions.


But terrorist seem to come from one walk of life.

124 carridine  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:25:55am
"Terrorists attack the values shared by all law-abiding citizens. As a Government, as communities, as individuals, we need to ensure that the message of the terrorists is rejected."


You, however, are NOT the legitimate Government or community for the Muslims, as a group or as individuals.

YOU must serve Muslims.
THEY must dominate YOU.

YOU have no rights, Kffir.
THEY have God's permission to convert (by force), dominate you into subservience, or KILL YOU.

Just ask them or read the Koran...

125 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:26:32am

Brown is yellow.

126 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:26:43am

#109 Logic Probe

LOL. Maybe the bbc are holding open the possibility that he was shouting "Alan! Alan! Please help me with this faulty cigarette lighter. I tried pouring this stuff over it to put it out but it seems to be getting worse!" and was misheard?

127 Bagelman1  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:27:04am

This is a preview folks of what a Democrat would say after an Islamic terror attack if they are elected in 2008. Wake up folks!

128 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:27:22am

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129 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:27:30am

#120 Miss Trixie,

That would be me and I stole it from a friend...

130 Carridine  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:27:45am

#122 LawHawk: GOOD Post, thanks!

I missed the news today, so that seems yet ANOTHER step in the right direction!

Go, Thailand!
Down, murderous Islamo-fascists!

131 FightingBack  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:28:03am

John Smeaton should run for office.

132 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:28:13am

More illuminating comments:

Daud Abdullah, the Deputy Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), suggested that the religion of the attackers was incidental to their actions when he said: “Let’s not create a hypothetical problem…it can be the work of Muslims, Christians, Jews or Buddhists.”

The new British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, appeared to agree, saying that new efforts had to be undertaken to win the “hearts and minds” of Muslims. “We have got to separate,” he added, “those great moderate members of our community from a few extremists who wish to practice violence and inflict maximum loss of life in the interests of a perversion of their religion.”

The new First Minister of Scotland, Alex Salmond, assured Muslims in Scotland that no community would be “scapegoated” in the wake of the Glasgow Airport attack. “In Scotland,” he maintained, “the Muslim community is part of the fabric of society, and is hugely important for social life, and this community link will remain strong.”

London Mayor Ken Livingstone went even farther, asserting: “In this city, Muslims are more likely to be law-abiding than non-Muslims and less likely to support the use of violence to achieve political ends than non-Muslims.”

Osama Saeed of the Muslim Association of Britain, meanwhile, expressed exasperation at the fact that non-Muslims expected Muslims to be active in opposing terror activities within the Islamic community: “We are seething with anger about this,” he said – that is, about the idea that jihad plots should be seen as a challenge to the larger Islamic community to do more against terrorism, not about the jihad plots themselves. “As a community,” he said, “not only are we just as likely to be victims as anyone else, but we are also looked to in order to provide direction and in some respects take responsibility for this. We are sick of being defined as a community by terrorism and having to answer for it.”

By Robert Spencer, [Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

133 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:28:19am

In view of the recent round-up's and in light of the fact we're going to be running out of terms to temporarily mask the identity of Muslim's, might I suggest Brown call this new element, 'out-surgerists?'

134 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:28:26am

The elephant in the room is really a mouse.

135 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:28:40am

/can i say musLIms are terrorists?

136 Andy Dufresne  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:28:54am

The virus of political correctness strikes again! Heaven forbid anyone utters the dreaded M-word!

I wish we could say this stupidity was centered in Europe, but we know that our "leaders" here suffer from the same affliction.

In other news, the British Union of Journalists is probably preparing more motions to boycott Israel. Because if these attacks prove anything, it is that Israel is to blame for making the poor, impoverished Muslim youths so aggitated!

137 Elder_of_Ziyon  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:29:16am

Even the Muslim Council of Britain admits that the terrorists are Muslim:

Inayat Bunglawala, the MCB's assistant general secretary, said anyone with information should not feel conflicted.

"There must be no hesitation in coming forward," he said. "Clearly we face a threat from extremists who happen to be Muslim."

I wonder if doctors will start complaining about using the word "doctor" to describe who is being arrested.

138 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:29:22am
139 kafir  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:29:27am

We know that the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism and we have to accept there are sensitivities about these matters.”

80% have no involvement or interest in terrorism.

And this gives you comfort ... how?

140 jx  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:29:37am

Bye-Bye UK. It was nice knowing you. Let me know when you get your balls back.

141 lefty201  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:30:21am

Tottaly off topic of course is this little tidbit of information (see: propaganda)

[Link: www.smh.com.au...]


oh we're so greedy we even use the SUN to keep us alive.

142 hayseed  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:30:34am

I have a Muslim pain mgmt doctor,he's pretty good at what he does.I may have to change to a Jewish doc. the thought of the Muslim doc sticking that needle in my neck and having a SJS [sudden jihad symdrome] scares me.

143 FightingBack  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:30:59am

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144 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:31:20am

Dear Nodrog...er...Gordon Brown: you have a short time to master the learning curve on terrorism. Already the Islamic terror squads have hit your airports, and they will not stop until they are either successful or you defeat them. They are betting that you will fold up and walk away from their declared war against the west, and especially England. Please prove them wrong.

Signed...

145 Guy_Montag  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:31:22am

I think Mr. Brown should ask Bakri who the real terrorists are. Only then can we get to the root causes of this problem.

146 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:32:01am
147 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:32:16am

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148 Jack Reacher  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:32:28am
Officials insist that no direct links with Muslim extremists have been publicly confirmed by police investigating the latest attempted terror attacks.

You mean, aside from yelling "Aloha Snackbar!" while leaping from a flaming Jeep?

And what's with "attempted terror attacks?" They were terror attacks that didn't injure any of the intended victims. Call them "incompetently executed terrorist attacks."

149 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:32:36am

Okay, I know this will sound as if I'm a conspiracy nut, but now I'm really wondering if Tim McVeigh didn't have help from a Muslim cell who used him.

If so, it must have really rankled them not to get any credit for it.

150 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:32:44am

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151 GregInSeattle  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:32:44am

Ironically, by doing this wussie PC pandering instead of facing the REAL issue HEAD ON, they have a greater chance of leading to the PC crowd's worst nightmare: Civil War.

152 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:33:03am

Tony Blair wimped out by resigning. That really pissed me off when he did that.

153 jcm  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:33:04am

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Read through just the 2007 List.
FARC has a few, the Tamil Rebels, the VT shootings.

The rest are those who shall not be named.

154 HeatherRadish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:33:08am

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155 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:33:20am

Just in:

Gordon Brown bans references to 'Doctors' in terrorism discussions, out of fear of offending the medical establishment.

156 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:33:26am

Monty Python's writers would have had a field day with this buffoon!

157 paxnhymn  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:34:00am

weelll folks, I say the lines are drawn...

you can either wear a Hajib..

a noose...

or a SPAS 12...


I choose the 12...

lock n load!

158 Orbit Rain  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:34:19am

"Terrorists attack the values shared by all law-abiding citizens."

Of course not all Muslims are terrorists. The problem with that line is that it is "Muslim Terrorists" who are at war with the West. They are at war with our laws. Too many of their clerics preach their law is superior to ours, and that our laws shouls be replaced by theirs, and that violent means are appropriate to that end.

Go ahead, ignore the fascism in your midst. Ignore the preachers of hate...kuffars...go ahead unbelievers, deny reality, let the Muslims keep justifying their actions by "exposing" yours, let them keep justifying their actions by comparison to the IRA...

...go ahead, tell me one equals two...

159 HeatherRadish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:34:24am

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160 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:34:29am

Last night on CNN, with Glenn Beck sitting in, he had Mark Steyn on. When asked is it too late for Europe, Steyn said that if you want to visit Europe, better do so within the next 5 years. After that, Europe as we know it now, will be gone. He was referring to Islam taking over the European culture, especially in France and England.

161 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:34:35am

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162 bosforus  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:34:43am

Yesterday in Arizona a bill to impose sanctions on businesses that hire illegal aliens was signed by our governor. Of course, in typical democrat fashion she claimed to 'sign it in protest' stating concerns about racial profiling. Sheesh, gimme a break. And then there's always the question of if the bill will actually be enforced. This is at least a symbolic start though so I'm happy.

163 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:34:43am

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164 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:34:44am

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165 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:35:03am

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166 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:35:10am

What a fooking idiot...and a major disappointment.

167 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:35:30am

I'm ready an historical fiction that features Isabella of Spain in 1492. Boy, what wouldn't I give to have her back (without her fanaticism against the Jews.)

168 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:36:43am

Better yet: give Scotland to the UK's Muslims and then let them have their own state there

169 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:36:46am

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170 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:36:54am

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171 rtheyserius  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:37:00am
Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in connection with the terrorism crisis.

...because the most important thing to do when any group of people attacks you is to be sensitive to them, to try to understand their needs, to correct anything that may have offended them.

172 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:37:17am

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173 Ackomanyuki  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:37:30am

A Public Service Announcement for all of the "Fresh Meat" of the West.

I hope this offends Muslims and all of the pussified Westerners in the blue cities of America and the salons and cafes of Europe.

174 deanayer  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:38:02am

...So after one burning car Gordon Brown is now a dhimmi? Is that all it took? They test him on day one with the equivalent of a firecracker and he capitulates - thats great.

175 williwonka  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:38:17am

In any fight, there are those who support you, those that oppose and many who will only join the side that wins.

Regardless of how one feels about them, it is of value doing what is necessary to keep as many of the undecided from deciding against you.

176 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:38:53am

SmeatonMania!

177 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:38:53am

LGF is one step closer to bright and big fonts


TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1130 AM EDT TUE JUL 3 2007

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

A LOW PRESSURE AREA ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE OVER THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC OCEAN ABOUT 1500 MILES EAST OF THE SOUTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS HAS BECOME A LITTLE BETTER ORGANIZED THIS MORNING. ALTHOUGH ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ARE ONLY MARGINALLY FAVORABLE ... SOME FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM IS POSSIBLE... AND A TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD FORM OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO AS THE LOW MOVES WESTWARD AT 10 TO 15 MPH.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

178 MNKaren  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:39:09am

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179 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:39:17am
180 opnion  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:39:21am

This is breath taking. He worries about Muslim sensibilities rather than the undeniable threat.
To knuckle under to the whining & seething only assures the Islamists of their eventual victory and encourages them to step it up.
This new PM is an idiot and innocent people will suffer.

181 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:40:08am

English bed-wetting types.

182 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:41:08am

Of course, Geo. W. Bush said "islam is a religion of peace".

Madness both.

183 jwbaumann  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:41:18am

At least we can be comforted that the iPhone license forbids using it to develop nuclear or chemical weapons.

184 Thor-Zone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:42:12am

Apparently, Mr. Brown is "Fiddling while Rome is burning".

We have seen this before and the outcome will not be good.

185 zmdavid  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:42:14am

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186 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:42:14am

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187 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:43:06am

Wouldn't want to hurt the feelings or "sensibilities" of those trying to kill my citizens. No telling what they would do if you riled them up.
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188 red satellite  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:43:18am

“war on terror” is to be dropped.

Would you rather call it: SKIRMISH ON ANGER? !$%%@! idiot.

189 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:43:45am

But now he's lost his eggs forever:

Brown to give up historic power to make war

190 friarstale  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:43:53am

sure, maybe some anti-alcohol group, kinda like Carrie Nation
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
wanted to blow up the Tiger Tiger because alcohol was served

and maybe they didn't like airplanes, either

Doctor Jihad
[Link: cruxy.com...]

191 Buck  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:43:55am

We all want peace, it is just that sometimes peace also means surrender.

How to achieve peace without someone surrendering is tricky.

192 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:44:02am

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193 MNKaren  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:44:06am

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194 Tricky Dick  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:44:09am

Apparently thses idiots have never read the quran and have no idea there's a 164 verses in it telling muslims to wage jihad against ALL non-beleivers.

K 47:004
Set 69, Count 136:
So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.

195 NoSubmission  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:44:23am

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196 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:45:04am

So Mr. Prime Minister, is your doctor a practicing Muslim?

197 saywhat?  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:45:10am

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198 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:45:18am
199 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:45:43am

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200 MNKaren  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:46:03am

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201 wanumba  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:46:10am
Mr Brown’s spokesman acknowledged yesterday that ministers had been given specific guidelines to avoid inflammatory language

Unfortunate choice of words. What are the specific guidelines for ministers to avoid inflammatory vehicles?

Wasn't it recently reported that Brown is close with Soros? Didn't the WSJ or American Thinker recently have a background on Brown and the World Bank purge of Wolfowitz?
The Economist's cover portrait of Brown as royalty didn't reassure. Didn't catch the point they were trying to make, because Liberals' logic processes seem to have been developed on another planet. They evidently hate democratically elected heads of state, accusing them frequently as oppressors of the people, yet fall all over themselves for royalty and nobility.
That's the pain with Parlimentary systems - the head of the Party gets the PM job, not a nationally elected candidate. Wish the USA had put in US representative democracy in Iraq instead. No need to write a constitution - the American one has universal appeal - why reinvent the wheel? Especially one that works - 200+ years and counting.

202 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:46:57am

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203 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:46:58am

Winston Churchill must be tossing in his grave now. Could you imagine if they banned the use of German? or Axis? Sheesh, this new PM is nothing more than a PC tool.

204 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:47:11am
205 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:47:16am

The Clintons in the WH is all we need now to relive the good ol' days of false security.

206 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:47:26am

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207 leave iraq now  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:47:55am

uh oh- I don't think even dhimmiBush is going to like this. Will Brown try to tell Bush not to use the "war on terror" on their first meeting? I don't see these two getting along at all.

208 Endangered in MASS  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:48:02am

Last nightMSNBC was refering to this as white color crime.

Since they were doctors from different countries they were dumbfounded as to the common denominator.

In the words of Wallace Burton Binghampton,"I could just scream."

209 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:48:11am
210 lockandload  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:48:12am

Oh i love these guys, no matter what happens just make sure you sit there an die, while we take great care not to offend any muslims. Wake up asshats

211 vinny  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:48:24am

In the effort to avoid offending the terrorists, you gordon brown, just offended every lawbiding citizen of the civilized world. Nice start, what will you do next? Dress up in a leotard and crawl around on the floor like a retarded clown? No wonder british soldiers get dressed up in cheap suits and paraded around like imbaciles on jihad tv. If the nazis attacked now, your allies would conclude that you are not worth saving.

BTW: This is an excellent reason to celebrate independance day: Happy 4th of July to all.

212 BingoBunny  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:48:48am

These PC policies will not survive.. the terrorists want Islam connected to their acts and will push for that at their trials.. and the people will see for themselves that Islam is the criminal when more and more acts occur.. even with government covering up for the Islamics they catch.

213 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:49:06am
avoid offending Muslims

Might be easier to just avoid muslims.

214 Citizen Duck  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:49:27am
We know that the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism and we have to accept there are sensitivities about these matters.

And "sensitivity towards these matters" outweighs the truth for the likes of Gordon Brown, apparently.

Being "sensitive" isn't going to change the fact that these men are Muslim, or that their attack was religiously motivated, or that one of the attackers was yelling "Allah! Allah!" during the attack.

When I read something like this, I can't help but think that a good portion of the world has gone completely insane. And not an insignificant portion at that, when heads of state and high level ministers are numbered among their rank.

If German saboteurs had infiltrated the English countryside during the Second World War, would any purpose have been served by refusing to name them as Germans?

Madness.

215 baconeatingkaffir  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:49:47am

I'm thinking I'll be using Mohammedians or "Koranophiles" instead. That would be less offensive.

216 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:49:51am

#156 MandyManners

Mandy -

"MINISTRY OF SILLY STATEMENTS?"

-S-

217 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:49:57am
218 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:50:16am

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219 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:50:44am

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220 Taqiyyotomist  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:51:06am

All:

Thank you for your suggestions in the deadthread, on where to surf for anti-idiotarian news in the east-coast morning, I will follow most of them.

221 FriarsTale  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:51:06am

free speech Mickey Mouse would not like this

222 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:51:06am

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223 MacGregor  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:51:07am

Islam is a weapon of mass destruction.

224 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:51:10am

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225 pat  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:51:21am

Saw an British terrorism expert on fox yesterday who said Brown was absolutely clueless. Said both Brown and Blair do not get the link between Islam and violence. They keep looking for what the Brits have done wrong.

226 Carridine  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:51:34am

Mark Steyn on "America the Beautiful"

Short, informative essay on one of the best-known songs in America!

It will lift your spirits, if you give it a read!

227 MNKaren  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:51:58am

Tory backbencher Philip Davies said: “I don’t know what purpose is served by this. I don’t think we need pussyfoot around when talking about terrorism.”
I like this guy. I think I need to make a bumper sticker or something for John Edwards

228 easy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:52:08am

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229 LoneSome Journey  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:52:09am

The British also knew that every member of the IRA was not responsible for the terrorists attacks throughout England but that had no impact on referring to those attacks as be committed by the IRA.

230 Thanos  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:52:18am

Updated coverage of Lal Masjid here,

I am trying to do a bit of liveblogging on it, but I am also on some firewall conf calls at work, so if I don't respond to you here or take a long time to do so, it's not because I am ignoring you. :)

231 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:52:24am

The Brits dropping the 'war on terror' phrase isn't news. Here.

232 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:52:35am

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233 funky chicken  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:52:43am

Yeah, well, our brilliant government leaders think they can talk Iran and Syria into helping us in Iraq.

They're all living on Fantasy Island.

234 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:53:04am

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235 Carridine  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:53:06am

And Gordon Brown?

Your method of renaming 'murdering terrorists' as 'jaywalkers' won't solve any problems for long!

236 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:53:14am
The shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to improve community relations and avoid offending Muslims, adopting a more “consensual” tone than existed under Tony Blair. ...

Consensual? As in, the British Government gives its consent to be attacked by terrorists? Shit on stilts, I'm glad I got to see London before it becomes the smallest province in the new Caliphate.

237 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:53:23am

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238 paxnhymn  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:53:45am

ohhh... I get it!

non-moooselimb poverty creates terrorism!


wankers

239 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:53:54am

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I go to all the trouble of making a Union Jack after the attacks, and the UK changes its flag to all white.

The French are going to be pissed, they've had that flag already for decades.

240 LaMano  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:54:09am

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241 MNKaren  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:54:28am

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242 Kozak  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:54:58am

"Muslim" IngSoc newspeak ungood.

Mini Tru.

Long Live Big Brother!

243 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:55:12am

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244 Trent_Boyett  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:55:17am

By all means, don't call a spade a spade.

/longing for Winston Churchill

245 wildcat84  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:55:39am

Yep, there are Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and Jooish suicide bombers too, right?

Oh, snap...

What do 99.9% of terrorists have in common?

They are Mohammedians.

246 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:55:50am
#240 LaMano 7/03/2007 8:54:09 am PDT

#197 saywhat?

So ... Muhammad was a pedophile AND a coward?

And also the Arafish

247 thirdbasecoach  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:55:51am

C'mon Britain "Get a pair"

248 jayzee  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:56:29am

I think a two state solution may be in order!

BTW-maybe a Brit can answer a question for me. When the IRA was bombing the Brits-were the terrorists referred to as Irish or just some generic, non offensive term?

249 AirForceWife  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:56:48am

The Prime Minister has also instructed his team – including new Home Secretary Jacqui Smith – that the phrase “war on terror” is to be dropped.

All the politicians that don't want to say "war on terror" need to tell those fighting out on the front lines that they aren't at war. Because thoses trying to stay alive today think they are at war. They are at war whether the rest of us think we are or not.

250 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:57:02am

I will change my way of thinking in regards to all Muslims being terrorists, or at the very least sleeper cells, when I see a protest of thousands of Muslims in the streets, protesting against the radical brand in their midst rather then cartoons published in a Danish newspaper.
Until then they are the enemy and stay on the "No toys for Christmas" list.

251 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:58:00am

Yoo hoo, Brits!

All the terrorism suspects in your custody: convict, execute, display heads on pikes;

Then you man not really have to say "Muslim".

252 Greg  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:58:02am

This assclown Brown and his Laborites deserve all the crap that will happen to them with this attitude.

Muslims know that which is the reason they are attacking...they know the British establishment is weak with this ability not even to name the enemy.

I am afraid Britain deserves all of the terrorism that it will be heaped upon it by the mendacious leadership it possesses.

They are done, stick a fork in them.

253 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:58:09am

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254 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:58:24am

#46 Killgore Trout

Gordon Brown Makes First Commons Statement As Prime Minister (live)

Pity it's not a common sense statement.

Say, are they still allowed to refer to the terrorists as "doctors"? Because, you know, not all doctors are terrorists either.

255 jcm  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:58:56am

The L^3 has problem with the individual defending themselves. Whether locally from common criminals:

If someone demands your property and displays or implies in any way that
they have a weapon, don’t resist. If you do, chances are you will be knocked
down, hit, or kicked and the robber will get your property anyway.

From the Seattle Police Dept. Personal Safety Guide F* that, I will exercise my 2nd amendment rights and stop the crime.

The same passive, roll over and take mentality extends to the War on Terror and to a society defending it's self. The L^3 has a serious problem with defense, let alone offense. Why are they so oppose to missile defense, wiretapping known terrorists?

The L^3 hate individual liberty and societies that foster liberty.

256 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:59:02am

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257 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:59:12am

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258 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:59:17am

"MAY not really" PIMF

259 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:59:28am
Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in connection with the terrorism crisis

Even the BBC News used the M word and the T word together in the same sentence yesterday. My jaw almost hit the floor.

260 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:00:18am
261 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:00:31am

OK...
Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims
Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims
Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims
Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims
Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims
Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims
Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims
Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims
Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims
Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims

262 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:00:35am

#254 JamesTKirk

Say, are they still allowed to refer to the terrorists as "doctors"? Because, you know, not all doctors are terrorists either.

Say, are they still allowed to refer to the terrorists restive youths criminal perpetrators unrelated to any other events as "doctors"? Because, you know, not all doctors are terrorists misguided victims of Zionism either.

(I just used the new "political correctness check" button.)

263 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:00:39am

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264 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:01:00am

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265 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:01:02am

I purpose we use what I like to call the Carlin test.

Name 6 muslims that aren't terrorists.

See, you can't do it.

266 David Simon  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:01:02am

#244 Trent_Boyett -

longing for Winston Churchill

Instead, you got Ward Churchill.

267 MNKaren  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:01:09am
Mr Brown’s spokesman acknowledged yesterday that ministers had been given specific guidelines to avoid inflammatory language. “There is clearly a need to strike a consensual tone in relation to all communities across the UK,” the spokesman said. “It is important that the country remains united.”


It seems to me that avoiding "inflammatory" language can start when those who shall not be named stop blowing themselves up. It seems to me that the terrorists are the ones who are a bit "inflammatory" not the Brits.

268 Spider Mensch  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:01:42am

now on stage, limited engagement...PM gordon brown as prof Henry Higgins in the musical...

"My Fair Jihadi!"

with everyones favorite tunes...

"I could have seethed all night"

and

"I've grown accustomed to his blade"

also

"Get me to the mosque on time"

and many more...

and who can forget the classic line..."I'm a good little jee-haaddi I am!"

269 Buck  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:01:55am

I know of Germans who, even today, hate the expression "Nazi Germany". Not all germans were Nazis, and not all Nazis were germans.

And today, not all Muslims are Jihadists, and not all Jihadists are Muslim.

270 MNKaren  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:02:13am

It has been fun. Have to run (or actually drive).

271 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:02:21am

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272 Shemesh  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:02:21am

No surprises from a man whose made an art form of not saying anything and never accepting blame for even less. He's probably calculating how many votes he'll win and how many he'll loose by calling a terrorist a terrorist.

OT, Charles - time for that flying pig to get out the hangar! 'Human Rights Watch' - despite the misnomer, has criticized Palestinians!

[Link: hrw.org...]

Let's take bets on the first (if any) of the MSM outlets to run with this

273 Ackomanyuki  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:02:28am

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274 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:02:38am

The sad part is the political leaders in all countries are sending a very bad message to the terrorists. That message is that the life of the average citizen of their country means nothing and as long as any Al Queda type or their wannabees stick to killing the average Joe Six Pack on the street and leave the politicians alone they can do so with relative impunity. I cannot believe for one minute that if any of these politicians thought they were on a hit list they wouldn't have a different opinion regarding who the enemy is.

275 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:03:04am

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276 MNKaren  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:03:04am

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277 Maine's Michael  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:03:17am

Terrorism is a criminal matter, according to these guys.

John Kerry feels the same way.

Let's hope the conservatives eventually come to power in the UK.

278 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:03:36am

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279 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:03:46am

updates on this morning's arrests...

'Gas Canister' Pair Held In Terror Probe

Two men have been arrested in Blackburn on suspicion of terror offences after they tried to collect a delivery of large Calor gas canisters at an industrial estate.
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The pair, both believed to be Asian, are being held at a police station in Lancashire under the Terrorism Act 2000.

Officers swooped after two deliveries of gas canisters to a unit on the Furthergate Industrial Estate in Birley Street.

280 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:03:46am

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281 paxnhymn  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:04:23am

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282 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:04:44am

OT from the Berkley Daily Planet:

Commentary: A Better Life for Palestinians and Israelis
By Tracie de Angelis Salim


Desperation and imagination. A total sense of hopelessness. Some of us can only imagine the depths we would go to have this hopelessness crack the sound barriers.

Let’s take the city of Manhattan. Manhattan is the most densely populated county in the country; there are approximately 1, 537,195 people packed into a land area of 22.96 square miles. There is controversy over which area in the world is the most densely populated; Gaza is definitely in the top three. Gaza is a narrow coastal strip, 25 miles long, six miles wide and a population estimated at 1,482,405. John Gertz states in his June 29 commentary, “Gaza is about to descend into a very dark night of the soul.” Here is a perspective that may leave you wondering if life in Gaza isn’t already lurking in the shadows. A very dark night of the soul is a place where most Gazans dwell, indeed.

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John Gertz says that Berkeley is complicit in a “Hamas takeover” in Gaza. He then spins that into several points. One can only surmise that his intent is an outright attempt to create distaste for all Palestinians, but specifically Muslim ones. He brings up issues of Female Genital Mutilation, honor killings, women being “required to take up the veil” and so forth. His rants expose his lack of knowledge of the region and unequivocally of the Muslim religion. If properly educated, he would learn that “forced genital mutilations” are strictly forbidden in Islam. Dr. Gamal Serour of Al-Azhar University in Egypt is considered the most authoritative voice on religion in the Islamic world, and recently issued a declaration against female genital mutilation. He states, “Female genital mutilation has no religious basis in either the Koran or the authentic Hadiths, the sayings of the Prophet Mohammed. It is therefore forbidden and should not be practiced by either traditional practitioners or paramedical staff.”

Furthermore, when Mr. Gertz speaks about women “being required to take up the veil” he exposes his ignorance with regard to the hijab and further shows us that he considers his westernized beliefs superior to those of the Middle East. Additionally, he accuses only Palestinians of partaking in extreme behaviors. Both sides can be accused of this. One minor example is when Professor Daniel Bar-Tal of Tel Aviv University studied 124 Israeli textbooks on grammar, Hebrew literature, history, geography and citizenship. He concluded that Israeli textbooks present the view that Jews are involved in a justified, even humanitarian, war against an Arab enemy. He states, “The early textbooks tended to describe acts of Arabs as hostile, deviant, cruel, immoral, unfair, with the intention to hurt Jews and to annihilate the State of Israel. Within this frame of reference, Arabs were de-legitimized by the use of such labels as ‘robbers,’ ‘bloodthirsty,’ and ‘killers,’” said Professor Bar-Tal, adding “there has been little positive revision in the Israeli curriculum over the years.” This is a minor example of extremism, yet a powerful comparison of Mr. Gertz’s accusation that most of the “equipped fighters in Hamas have been indoctrinated in jihad and hate since early childhood.” Mr. Gertz rattles off several examples of what he believes are extreme behaviors by Palestinians. One can go to the Israeli website, Btselem (www.btselem.org) and read about extreme behaviors such as house demolitions, road closures, checkpoints, curfews, settler violence and the illegal “security” wall perpetrated by the Israeli Occupation Forces.

Read the rest. I have a headache.

283 cod_is_great  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:05:38am

Radical Islamists are let off the hook again. Their ideology is once again exonerated by a Western government.

284 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:05:45am

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285 formercorpsman  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:05:47am

Hey, anyone have a match?

I can't see a thing, it's dark in here.

(_!_)

286 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:06:08am

I saw the light !

DOCTORS are terrorists !

islam is a religion of peace, medicine is the problem !

WoM

287 saywhat?  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:06:21am

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288 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:06:40am

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289 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:06:46am

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290 Glackinspeil  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:06:53am

Don't call them muslims, call them doctors.

291 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:07:37am

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292 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:07:55am

At least 6 shot dead in clashes at Pakistan mosque

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - At least six people, including a paramilitary trooper and a television cameraman, were killed in gunfire during clashes with militant students at a mosque run by a Taliban-style movement in Islamabad on Tuesday, officials said.

A cleric inside Lal Masjid, or Red Mosque, told Reuters eight students had been killed in exchanges of fire, and a loudspeaker in the compound broadcast a message calling on followers of the movement to begin suicide attacks.

The clashes began when about 150 students attacked a security picket at a Pakistani government office near the mosque, snatched weapons and took four officials hostage, according to police.

Paramilitary forces fired teargas to disperse hundreds of students outside the mosque, and came under fire from automatic weapons.

Authorities have been locked in a tense stand-off for months with the students, who want to impose Taliban-style social values in the Pakistani capital

293 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:07:57am

#284 Ward Cleaver

Hey, they just wanted to barbecue some brisket!
Kebabs!
/there's no connection to islam, no siree

294 LaMano  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:08:02am

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295 NoSubmission  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:08:37am

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296 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:08:39am

Next up:

You are not allowed to THINK about connecting terror and Islam.

297 AirForceWife  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:08:45am

#212 BingoBunny 7/03/2007 8:48:48 am PDT
These PC policies will not survive.. the terrorists want Islam connected to their acts and will push for that at their trials.

Hey, maybe we can start calling it ...the war against those that want their acts connected to Islam.

298 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:08:49am

#116 Black George Bush

Dont say Klan members are white :o

Gay Black Jewish Klansmen for Tolerance and Understanding

#137 Elder_of_Ziyon

Even the Muslim Council of Britain admits that the terrorists are Muslim:

Clearly, the Muslim Council of Britain are Islamophobes.

299 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:09:04am
300 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:09:16am

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301 LaMano  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:09:22am

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302 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:09:36am

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303 itellu3times  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:10:08am

Don't say what, speak up, what?

304 mbabbitt  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:10:30am

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. The lunatics are running the asylum. Liberalism's suicide pact made real.

305 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:10:48am

#189 Bob Tail

Brown to give up historic power to make war


He's also stripped away the powers of our last bastion of defence - the Queen!

He's taken her powers to recall parliament and to dissolve parliament (if there were the case of a traitrous Chamberlain type government).

Britain is now officially a police state, and home to all terrorists, who will be welcomed, given FREE homes, healthcare, education, dentistry, and given money to support their families and favourite Al Quaeda group!

306 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:11:02am

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307 red satellite  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:11:23am

Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims

Red Satellites: Don't Say British Prime Ministers are Pus***.

308 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:11:27am

Neville Chamberlain would be proud.

309 nnptcgrad  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:11:46am

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310 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:11:47am

So okay a brown haired chubby kid threatens to kick my butt if I don't give him my lunch money, that doesn't mean all brown haired chubby kids are bullies. By the same token while he is threatening me I am figuring out a way to stop his actions. Maybe I can do it myself, maybe I need the help of some friends, but in the end the bully is going to get what is coming to him and it ain't my lunch money.
/and I am still gonna call him FATSO!

311 manray favjet  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:11:52am

If they aren't muslims, then who the hell are they?

312 LaMano  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:12:08am

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313 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:13:05am

#300 Ben Hur

Did you feel that? I clicked your reply button!

Yes! Yes! Right there! Oh! Oh! Oh God yes!

314 uptight  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:13:05am

and in other news...
the government have announced that they will now, no longer refer to mass-murderer Jeffrey Dahmer by his surname. This is out of respect to the rest of the Dahmer family. Neither will the Nazis be referred to as "Germans"...even though they were. The government said "more shit-scared appeasement measures are on the way". Britain's Muslim community just laughed at them.

315 NoSubmission  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:13:30am

Ben Hur!

No. Must have been a 'stealth click.'

316 Yank in the EU  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:13:44am

We'll get the same stupid thing and much worse if the Democrats win in '08.

317 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:13:44am

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318 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:13:51am

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319 pat  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:14:08am

307 red satellite
Actually, you can say 'pussies' here. lol

320 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:14:09am

I suppose I'm the only one who thinks this could be a smart move?

321 paxnhymn  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:14:28am

well, I guess it's just US and Israel...


UHH..HEY GOD! WE COULD USE A LIL' HELP DOWN HERE!

322 Tricky Dick  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:14:52am

OT

A look at how the MSM whitewashes it's stories.

In this article it's said that...

Trouble began when student followers of the mosque, including young men with guns and dozens of women wearing black burqas, rushed toward a nearby police checkpoint early Tuesday afternoon.

But when you go here, you get the real story...which is...

Pakistani security forces have clashed with the followers of Taliban supporters Maulana Abdul Aziz and Ghazi Abdul Rasheed at the notorious Lal Masjid, or Red Mosque, in the hear of Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan.

In the MSNBC article you only find a brief mention of Taliban buried near the end of the article.

323 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:14:55am

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324 chee toe  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:14:57am

#173 Thank you - LOL - "Run! We infidels arm our wimmin!"

325 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:15:14am

#320 ChenZhen

I suppose I'm the only one who thinks this could be a smart move?

Care to elaborate?

326 neverquit  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:15:20am

Someone tell Michael "Fatass" Moore to give up some of his french fries and shakes for the benefit of the Cuban people who can't feed themselves...

By ANITA SNOW, Associated Press Writer Mon Jul 2, 3:48 PM ET

HAVANA - No one on this communist-run island dies from starvation, but every month Cubans on the "universal ration" must use ingenuity and organization to ensure everyone gets enough to eat.
ADVERTISEMENT

For 30 days, I lived on a similar program. I spent less than $17 for a month's sustenance, dropped nine pounds and learned — like Cubans — to budget carefully, plan meals ahead, buy only what was necessary and never throw food away.

Most importantly, I realized that like most Americans, I take food for granted, assuming I'll always get what I want when I want it.

Cuba's ration system began in 1962, to guarantee a low-priced basket of basic foods just as the U.S. cut off trade with the island, sparking food shortages. Initially characterized as temporary, the program remained as Cuba struggled to feed its people, turning to the Eastern bloc for most of its food.

Today, Cuba spends $1 billion a year to give the island's 11.2 million citizens a subsidized ration including rice, legumes, potatoes, bread, eggs and a small amount of meat. The government estimates the ration provides a third of the 3,300 calories the average Cuban consumes daily.

The rationed products, which cost consumers about $1.20, would cost more than $58 if purchased at the overpriced Cuban supermarkets for foreigners known as the "shopping," or about $50 at the average U.S. grocery store.

For my project, I allotted myself the same items on the ration, plus an average salary of $16.60 to buy the rest of my food. During June, I ate little animal protein, no dairy products, very little fat, but probably consumed more rice and beans than I had in a year. When I could, I ate fruit and vegetables daily.

Limited in what they can eat, Cubans spend much time thinking about their next meal. I found myself obsessing about food as well. Would I have enough money at the end of the month to buy vegetables? Would all those potatoes make me fat?

Cubans told me the farmers markets were expensive, but I didn't realize just how costly until I lived on their limited plan. A big papaya costs more than a day's wages.

More than half of Cubans have access to some foreign currency, whether from tips from tourists or remittances from abroad. With $50 a month, a family can buy additional cooking oil, pork or even a rare piece of beef at the "shopping."

But the rest of Cubans have to be creative. Neighbors trade and buy and sell rationed products to get what they need. They purchase milk, butter and yogurt sold surreptitiously outside the government bakery. Some engage in petty theft, such as restaurant workers who skim cheese off sandwiches.

327 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:15:31am

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328 LaMano  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:15:35am

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329 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:15:42am

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330 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:16:01am
331 pat  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:16:03am

CZ, yes

332 paxnhymn  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:16:09am

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333 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:16:16am

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334 Yank in the EU  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:16:16am

The ideology of radical Islam has everything to do with these terror attacks.

In order to face down this danger, we all need to get that through our heads.

/just figured I would state the obvious

335 funky chicken  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:16:29am

299 Iron Fist. And they declared war on us when they took over our embassy.

They renewed the declaration in 1983 when they killed a bunch of our Marines.

They renewed the declaration in 1996 when they blew up the Khobar Towers and killed some Air Force people.

Now they are killing our soldiers and marines in Iraq.

And we are making fun of the British?

336 bigdicksplace  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:16:35am

Somebody get a fork and stick it in the UK.
I think they're done.

337 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:16:39am

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338 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:16:58am

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339 red satellite  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:17:15am

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340 vinny  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:17:23am

to buck: all jihadis are muslim. you cannot be from any other religion and wage jihad

341 NoSubmission  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:17:27am

Or maybe it was a 'click-torectomy'

/ducks & heads for door

342 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:17:32am

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343 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:17:38am

#320 ChenZhen

I suppose I'm the only one who thinks this could be a smart move?

Actually, I don't know. What does Ron Paul think?

344 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:17:55am

It's gonna be a long summer...

HEATHROW passengers were forced to queue outside in the rain today after a suspect package closed part of a main terminal.

The suspect bag forced 108 flights to be cancelled from Terminal 4 and as an extra security measure, passengers faced a second search at the flight gates.

Elsewhere, hundreds of sports arenas, shopping centres, train stations and airports have been deemed high-risk terror targets as Britain braces itself for a wave of attacks by al-Qaeda fanatics.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith warned Islamic terrorists have around 450 major sporting venues in their sights and 400 retail complexes.

But despite the threat to innocent shoppers, fans and travellers, the Home Office has refused to publicly name the sites at risk for "security reasons".

A senior source said last night: "Essentially, it would tell terrorists which sites had not been visited and told to improve their security."

345 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:18:34am

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346 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:18:36am

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347 Spiny Norman  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:18:44am
Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in connection with the terrorism crisis.

So you'd rather keep referring to them as "Asians" or "South Asians" instead, eh? 'Tis far better to slander the one million Hindus in Britain instead of speaking the truth?

Are any of the leaders of the British Indian Hindu community going to stand up against this squishy political correctness that is an absolute slap in the face?

348 AirForceWife  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:19:06am

#269 Buck 7/03/2007 9:01:55 am PDT
I know of Germans who, even today, hate the expression "Nazi Germany". Not all germans were Nazis, and not all Nazis were germans.

And yet, this fact did not save them from getting the hell bombed out of them. Hundreds of thousands of German civilians that never did anything wrong were killed in WWll. To this day, it's perfectly acceptable to have video games where the Nazis are the bad guys and the object is to kill them. No PC sensitivities for them. I really, really wish that the Muslim terrorists were white so that race couldn't be used as a weapon by the anti-war crowd.

349 RTLM  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:19:33am

Non-buddhists engaged in non-religion based criminal activities. Now I feel better.

350 Right Brain  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:20:17am

This is why we need free press, to protect us from Leftist fantasy.

351 Jack Reacher  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:21:10am

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352 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:21:12am

#269 Buck

I know of Germans who, even today, hate the expression "Nazi Germany". Not all germans were Nazis, and not all Nazis were germans.

Then they should love the expression Nazi Germany. The qualifier Nazi defines which Germany one is talking about, and consequently implies that there are several Germanies, past and present, only one of which was Nazi.

Ditto Islamic terrorists. The phrase does not imply all terrorists are Muslim or all Muslims are terrorists. It merely describes a type of terrorist, one inspired by the teachings of Islam.

353 Spiny Norman  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:21:43am

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354 paxnhymn  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:21:47am

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355 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:21:49am

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356 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:22:07am
357 jcm  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:22:22am

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358 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:22:25am

#320 ChenZhen
It might be the Sandanistas.
Burrito Ackbar!

359 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:22:39am

Well...

#212 BingoBunny 7/03/2007 8:48:48 am PDT

These PC policies will not survive.. the terrorists want Islam connected to their acts and will push for that at their trials.. and the people will see for themselves that Islam is the criminal when more and more acts occur.. even with government covering up for the Islamics they catch.

You deny them this. If they want to make a 'statement' in the name of Islam, you downplay and marginalize that statement. You don't downplay the threat, rather deny them sending the message that they wish to send.

360 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:23:00am

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361 wargammer2005  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:23:15am

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362 markie  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:23:21am

OK then, how about "non-Buddhists"?

363 Buck  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:23:24am

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364 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:23:27am

#320 ChenZhen

Come on Chen, we're still waiting for your reasoning. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt (for now, anyway).

365 wargammer2005  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:25:09am

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366 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:25:21am

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367 OLDPUPPYMAX  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:25:57am

Did I miss the start of the Great Anglo/French stupidity challenge? And how do we know who wins? Maybe the first to declare Arabic the national language?

368 jayzee  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:27:32am
and not all Jihadists are Muslim

That is ridiculous. All Jihadists ARE Muslim. When is the last time a Buddhist went on a Jihad?

369 paxnhymn  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:28:53am

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370 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:29:11am

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371 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:29:27am
Gordon Brown: Don't Say Terrorists Are Muslims

Basil Fawlty: And whatever you do, don't mention the war!

372 funky chicken  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:30:03am

320 ChenZhen Well, Chen, if you wanted to cause a massive increase in membership in the BNP, I suppose the utter collapse of the Labour and Tory parties in the face of MUSLIM TERRORISM would be a good thing.

I'd be surprised to hear that you supported that.

373 mrsoc  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:30:33am

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374 Tricky Dick  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:30:36am

OT

This is the kind of news our MSM would report nightly if the weren't a bunch of cowards who willingly feed the masses the enemies propaganda.

Coalition Forces Rout al Qaeda Elements South of Ramadi

U.S. Army forces, with the help of Iraqi police, beat back an attempted al Qaeda in Iraq assault on Ramadi on June 30 and July 1. At least 23 insurgents "affiliated with al Qaeda in Iraq" were killed in a series of raids against Donkey Island, which sits about 3 miles south of Ramadi.

375 cpuller  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:30:55am
Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in connection with the terrorism crisis.

Ok, but they're going to look awfully funny using the word "Moonie" in connection with terrorism.

376 Buck  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:31:51am

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377 jayzee  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:32:28am

Brown is right-it's not an Islamic thing at all!

Doctors focus of UK terror probe

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

378 apachegunner  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:33:19am

with Brown we'll watch England burn...

379 Biff  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:33:48am

The AlsaPresse.com blog is still going crazy over the Berwiller Alsace festival auto slaughter. It appears that the driver was an arab. The gendarmes are still not releasing his name. His alcohol level was ONLY .08%, so the initial reports of his being crazy drunk are not true. The bloggers who want to know his name and who are complaining about arab immigration are being called racist by other bloggers. The French government has apparently put a lid on the case. I still say SJS.

380 AirForceWife  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:34:17am

#255 jcm 7/03/2007 8:58:56 am PDT
The L^3 has problem with the individual defending themselves. Whether locally from common criminals:

If someone demands your property and displays or implies in any way that
they have a weapon, don’t resist. If you do, chances are you will be knocked
down, hit, or kicked and the robber will get your property anyway.

The thing they don't mention is that often times, the thug with the weapon isn't just a thief. Sometimes they plan to rape and/or kill. I'm never going to assume all the risk to myself or family just to make it safer out there for thieves.

381 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:34:50am
382 Spiny Norman  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:34:57am

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383 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:35:27am

Well, I like a good debate, but I gotta run.

384 Carl B  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:49:18am

Didn't Neville Chamberlain try this approach once before in Britain? Believe the chap found appeasement to be undesirable in the end.

385 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 9:49:18am
"The shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to improve community relations and avoid offending Muslims..."


Geico Cave Man: Umm.. WHAT?!

On a side note, why then, do they seem NOT afraid of offending "Asians"?

386 kansas  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 10:54:52am

But former Tory homeland security spokesman Patrick Mercer said: “This is quite a smart idea. We know that the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism and we have to accept there are sensitivities about these matters.”

Unfortunately 100% of terrorists are Muslim.
Say, when is it my turn to not be offended?

387 pkeleher  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 10:55:59am

Pathetic.

388 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:04:03am

Oh no. Oh no. This is not good.

389 Beagle  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:09:46am

#320 ChenZhen

I suppose I'm the only one who thinks this could be a smart move?


LOL

You have to 'love' it when deception and untruth have their vocal defenders.

Remember the Really Good Germans Program of 1940, run by the Home Office?

/Yeah, me neither.

390 drool  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:09:46am

They never referred to the IRA as Catholic terrorists either.

391 scottthecanuck  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:09:53am

No one should be surprised as Brown is a LABOUR PM and we all know of the solidarity between the left and islamic radicalism.

We may be on the cusp of seeing France as a more reliable ally since they won't mince words when it comes to who the bad guys are.

392 Spiny Norman  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:12:17am

Appease the sensitivities thin skins of the Muslims while slandering the "Asian" Hindus. Kinda makes sense when you think about it: the Hindus are far less likely to blow shit up...

::spit::

393 Beagle  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:14:04am

#390 drool

They never referred to the IRA as Catholic terrorists either.


Moral and factual equivalence have become the terminus of logical thinking. If I can make the most superficial comparison between two sets of facts then I can quit thinking completely.

Congratulations, drool, you're symptomatic of what's wrong with civilization as a whole.

394 used2bl  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:16:24am

Gordon Brown treats the terrorists just like the way Clinton used to (and will again, maybe)--he treats them as criminals.

395 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:16:52am

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396 big L  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:17:17am

"you're doing a good job,Brownie.."
GWB to another stiff.
/not

397 scottthecanuck  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:17:24am

that's because the IRA's main objective was to get rid of British rule in Northern Ireland. Despite the sectarian nature of the conflict the IRA never advocated the supremacy of Catholicism, or called for the murder of Protestants just because they were Protestants. Nor did they advocate the establishment of a Catholic theocracy, nor claimed that Catholic teaching told them to kill the infidels. They choose armed conflict for political reasons misguided as they were.

398 scottthecanuck  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:19:43am

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399 MikieBahamas  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:20:11am

'Sleepy Dwarf' Brown is trying to be PC when it comes to terrorism.

Let's see when another big attack succeeds and evidence again points to other muslims...then what?

Denial is a serious thing...murderers are in 'denial' when they kill people...WAKE THE F@#K UP!

I hope the British conservatives (Tories) run on this platform of liberal PC appeasement of muslims, which should defeat 'sleepy' Brown's Loser Party!

400 samhein  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:30:12am

#250 Just_A_Grunt

..."I will change my way of thinking in regards to all Muslims being terrorists, or at the very least sleeper cells, when I see a protest of thousands of Muslims in the streets..."

I don't know. I think I'd need to see even more than that. And in more than one area/town/city...whatever.

401 Crusader Rabbit  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:35:38am

Don't call the terrorists "muslims", or they'll kill you.

402 deseeded  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:37:26am

Earth to England. Come in, England. Are you still conscious?

England was on the decline the day they gave their soldiers red coats to wear to battle.

403 pasturedon  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:37:55am

This is so weird. You don't suppose that J.K. Rowling has a political subtext in those Harry Potter books, do you? Could she have been prophetic?

Just think of the similarities...
1. The Minister of Magic is named Fudge, the color of which is...
2. The antagonist is He Who Must Not Be Named.
3. When the enemy attacks the Ministry pretends it's not happening and ridicules those who believe it is.
4. The attacks are terrorist in nature, random, and against soft targets.
5. When I saw the photo of the "students" from the madrassa in Islamabad I thought, "Wow, they look just like dementors." (The embodiment of evil in the books.)

I haven't seen the connection made, but it's kind of creepy.

404 itellu3times  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:43:36am

#320 ChenZhen

I suppose I'm the only one who thinks this could be a smart move?

Well, compared to what?

Ostriches stick their heads in the sand. Probably a smart move sometimes, it does lower their profile. Just not very effective in some other important cases.

405 uptight  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:50:41am

They're not Muslims...they're "brunettes"...

406 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:52:14am

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407 El matamoros  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:55:26am

#399 Mikie

Do not count on that at all. Though i dont live in the UK i follow some of the political news in reguards to this issue. There is NO difference between the Labour party and the Tories. In the last 13 years the tories have shifted to become just another Liberal party. All of England is now essentially a Uber-liberal country.
Plus all the Tories are all homosexuals who get caught by the Tabloids in Womens underwear with a 18 Year old boy named Fernando.

I have watched this really funny show caled "yes, minister" from England and it had this character named Sir Humphrey. He was a Beauraucrat in a new Gov't and it was his job to "tame" the new wide eyed wolly politican in his office. The new minister wanted to create a new smoking law becuase it was "the Moral thing to do". But Humphrey cynically said "Go'vt isnt about Morality It's about Public order."

When Public order really breaks down in the UK then and only then will we see some real action. Till then it will be liberal PC politics as usual.

408 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:01:44pm

Just in:

Gordon Brown bans ministers from using the word 'bad'.

In a statement today the new Prime Minister said that the word 'bad' was a divisive one that had no place in today's pluralistic world.

"If you look back at history I think you will see, as I certainly did, that trouble is never far behind when this word is being used. It has always been on hand to demonise behaviours or personages that were deemed unwholesome or dangerous or harmful, according to criteria that are entirely subjective. We have to remember that one man's bad is another man's good. Our government will try to keep this idea in mind in all it's future affairs."

409 Spartacus  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:08:41pm

Don't pretend that we can't be there in 2 years.

Dhimmicrats are poised for a presidential takeover in 08, with the help of absentee and provisional ballots.

Give us 6 months with them in power in two branches, and we will be just as finished as the british.

410 sabra412  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:09:51pm

G Brown + appeasers =

STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID FOOLS!

411 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:23:52pm

How red is the Labour Party?

Old Trots and old Stalinists now glower at each other across the Cabinet table, where they feel at home because Blairism demands the religious loyalty they are used to. They include:

The Stalinist wing
Jack Straw
Charles Clarke
John Reid
Peter Mandelson
Trevor Phillips
Alan Johnson

The Trotskyite wing
Gordon Brown
Alan Milburn
Paul Boateng
Denis MacShane
Margaret Hodge
David Blunkett
Alistair Darling

412 EE  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:32:06pm

I am disappointed that the public is being kept in a state of ignorance.
But I applaud the excellent work of the Brits in so quickly acting to round up suspects. I believe that their tens of thousands of closed circuit TVs has been very useful to them, and their analyses of clues left in the vehicles was very useful to them. However they did it, I think that they are doing an excellent job. We'll see when the trials occur how much evidence they have amassed to get the goods on this doctors' cell of jihadis.

The apalling ignorance that is foisted on the public will probably result in more calls by the leaders of the unions in the UK and in the Anglican Church for ever more boycotts against Israel. They simply don't know and won't acknowledge who their enemies are, and always resort to blaming everything on Europe's favorite, millenial scapegoats, the Jews. In this case, there is a slight change, the scapegoat becomes the Jewish state, but the idea has not changed all that much over the centuries.

Even if the British public won't acknowledge that Britain is at war against radical Islam, still radical Islam is at war against the free world in general, and against Britain in particular, as well as against Israel. Maybe the elites in Britain think that by trying to make it hard for Israel to defend itself against the jihad, perhaps the jihadis will go easier against Britain. But it doesn't work that way. If the jihadis see that jihad terrorism pays,e.g. when the British unions react by boycotting Israel, they want to do more of it.

413 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:32:50pm

I guess I better see Westminster Abbey before it becomes a mosque.

414 opnion  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:52:40pm

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415 proud to be an infidel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:02:06pm

This is a huge disappointment for Britain. I was hoping that Brown would be tougher and more of a no-nonsense guy than Blair was when it came to Islamic terrorism. Tony Blair certainly had his share of cave-ins to the politically correct movement when it came to Muslim terrorists reaping havoc within his country. But as it turns out, Gordon Brown is making Blair look like a tyrant!

We can only hope that Gordon Brown will see the light and recognize the problem for what it really is. But I personally doubt it. So this is not only a disappointment for Great Britain, but a disappointment for the whole civilized world who wants to be safe from these Muslim psychopaths.

Now our only hope is that the next President of the United States will spare no punches for organizations like CAIR and MUSLIM terrorists wishing harm upon us. I see few Republican candidates fitting that desciption and absolutely none of the Democratic candidates will take a stand like that.

416 goatguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:07:58pm

Terrorists ... who are Muslim must not be referred to as Muslim.

Oh this is rare. Should they also not be identified as British? Should they also not be identified as men? As doctors? Perhaps they also should not be identified as human?

War is Peace [Orwell]

FEAR is driving the Ruling Class of England to madness. FEAR of having what is rapidly becoming the fifth column of British society turn on its benefactors, and bite 'em in the arse.

FEAR of having the millions of "Asian Youth" (note, didn't say Islamic or Muslim or Paki or ...) decide to take matters into their own hands and harrow the greyhairs of Old Dottard England.

Its not just Britain that is becoming a Geritocracy ... it is all of Europe. Life expectency continues to rise, the Middle Class is uninspired with marrying, raising kids, feeling decidely impoverished while all the Asians are taking over the old neighborhoods. In Portugal, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Holland ... it costs so much to consider having an apartment that could give breathing room for a man, woman and 2 kids ... that they're just not doing it. Somewhere I read that 40% of the "couples" don't ever plan to have kids.

Now, Kids aren't the answer to everything. But the society itself becomes ossified by the inability of the Elderly to Take Chances, to Do Noble Deeds for society itself. Get on a school board in tony Piedmont (Calif.)... the average age is like 70, and only one board member actually has kids. They make the damnedest decisions. Compare that to a school board in some new-new-new "development" hot spot. Younger decision makers, better decisions, more progressive.

Now multiply the whole thing by FEAR. Fear of knowing full well that the Huns aren't just on the hillocks pressing them in, but are in the apartment above, below, west, east and north of your own. Fear of knowing that there HERE. That they have the youth, the political might, the wherewithall to tell their youth, "go ahead, kick some Infidel ass, lads. We'll get you off."

Yet, the truth is also balanced. The huge majority of Pakis and other Asians in Britain are decent folk, typically reasonably friendly, reasonably adoptive of the ways of their adopted society. The majority don't float around town in hijab, don't insist that Huntingtons carry hilal meats.

Their problem, like any society's, when faced with it, is the Islamically inspired 1%. The 1% that do have the intent to kill, to maim, to harm, to hurt. That feel that their religion not only authorizes them to be that way, but indeed encourages it.

The Brits know full well what their FEAR is: they took in the Borg, and it is now assimilating them.

Have a nice kebab, Oxford. It may be your last meal.

GoatGuy

417 seeker68  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:19:17pm

What do you expect from a Lowland Scot? This chicken in a suit makes me glad that my ancestors came from the Highlands where we know how to take care of our enemies!

Seriously, he is helping to lead Britain down the path to total annihilation. The pandering to the terrorists must stop before the Ummah takes over every scrap of land. Sadly, I see Britain quickly becoming the next France. The terrorists will be calling the shots and the leftists will stand by and wait until they too are murdered by the terrorists. If there is no war of terrorism, what the heck are we all doing? Does Brown want more terror on the shores of his country? Does he care that little about his people (and even his own family)? What is it going to take to wake people up in the West? I have a horrible feeling that something huge is going to happen in the West by the end of the year and people like Brown are going to sit back and allow it to happen.

418 Cry of defiance and not of fear  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:27:11pm

Brown can't AFFORD to do anything about the --- shall we call them, nonentities --- because he announced last year that he intended to make London the 'islamic banking capital of the world.' His government is owned, lock, stock and barrel, by islamic banks which are one of the main conduits for funds for worldwide terrorism (mosques being one of the sources which use small, regular deposits, unlike the criminal sources of the drugs and sex slavery trafficking).

419 Strike Hornet  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:43:19pm

Somewhere, Dhimmi Carter is smiling...

420 raz  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:45:04pm

Brown by name , Brown by nature.

His PM ship will be short lived.

The SNP are n't much better. Salmond claims that Muslims are well liked by the Scottish community.
The truth is he wants their block vote to break the Union and put Rome back in charge.

The UK is a bloody mess and it's all their fault.

421 the_flying_pig  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:08:58pm

Gordon Brown... a pansy since 1997. Wow, a decade for Mr. Pansy. Let's celebrate his groveling, hand-wringing, and appeasing approach to governance. Neville Chamberlain would be proud of him!

422 LC LaWedgie  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:09:17pm

Apparently, PM Brown watched far too much BBC during his formative years.

Reference the BBC mindset when applied to Channel 4 programming (from Wikipedia):

During a diplomatic visit to India in January 2007, Brown responded to questions concerning perceived racism and bullying against Bollywood actress Shilpa Shetty on the British reality TV show Celebrity Big Brother saying, "There is a lot of support for Shilpa. It is pretty clear we are getting the message across. Britain is a nation of tolerance and fairness."[39] He later said the debate showed Britain wanted to be "defined by being a tolerant, fair and decent country."[40]

Brainwashing
Britian's
Children

423 Sabraguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:19:13pm

And from now on Islamic Jihad will be referred to as Jihad, and the Army of Islam will be called the Army of.

424 wanumba  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:21:37pm
217 buzzsawmonkey
think you're confusing Prime Minister Gordon Brown with Mark Malloch Brown, Friend of Soros, former aide to Kofi Annan--and member of Gordon Brown's cabinet.

Neither of whom should be confused with Blair-cabinet survivor Des Browne, who is also in Gordon Brown's cabinet.

With so much brown in the British government, why would anyone be surprised at their readiness to Brown-nose the Islamists?


So good it needs to be copied again, so more people read it.

425 buzzdroid  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:30:02pm

no big deal. doesnt stop them using the word "islamist" , does it?

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

but granted. brown is a weak bastard.
the nickname for him over here is "macavity the cat".

he's got a problem with rocking horses and nappies, apparently... *cough*

426 buzzdroid  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:37:01pm

"#391 scottthecanuck "
your observation is not too far off the mark. under Sarko the Franco-American alliance will be rebuilt and made stronger than ever before. my guess is that brown will withdraw from Iraq.

427 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:39:43pm

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428 cry of defiance and not of fear  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:42:22pm

THE TIMES (London) is playing an awkward double game. Unlike the Daily Telegraph, the other major quality newspaper, THE TIMES has published scores of articles analysing negative social aspects of islam (well, there aren't any positive ones), for some months now and their readers' comments have been knowledgeable and pertinent. It has all shut down in the past week, ever since THE TIMES announced that they are opening a branch in Cairo. Always look for the money trail...

429 Sabraguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:43:29pm

But many Muslims are proud of their heroic terrorists.

Not using the phrase Islamic Terrorism will be highly offensive to them - expect revenge attacks soon.

430 cookielady  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:43:47pm

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431 cry of defiance and not of fear  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:45:13pm

re:

432 buzzdroid  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:53:07pm

#431 -> i wouldnt be surprised if Sarko offers the French foreign legion as a replacement.

433 Planet X  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 3:44:53pm

To quote Fight Club. "We are a generation raised by women."

Our frigging leaders won't fight. Bush is kissing Islamic ass.(Our Jimmie Carter)

Our hope is that in the coming years our returning soldiers will enter elected office , and push these granny's and Nancy boys out of public life.

434 BenJeremy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:50:18pm

It's twisted history, it's like Winston Churchill just handed off a government in the middle of World War II to Neville Chamberlain, and his first act was to ban the use of the terms "Germans", "Nazis" and "Axis" when discussing the bombs being dropped on London.

What will, unfortunately, happen is that Europe will suffer great deprivations at the hand of the hands of Islamist Jihadis, and when the boiling point is finally reached, and the socialists realize their alliance with Islamism isn't going to work, there will be a "genocidal" (I hate to use that word, as not all followers of a religion are the same genotype) backlash never before seen in this world. Europeans really know how to kill efficiently, Hitler's people turned it into a fine art.

That's the problem with socialists... they back the craziest, dumbest crap, then go ape-shiat on everybody else when it backfires on them.

435 baldylox  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:11:24pm

They need a Churchill and they got a Jimmy Carter.

Jimmy Carter was such a wuss that he allowed people to call him 'Jimmy'. Do we ever say 'Jimmy Madson'? No.

Because James Madison wasn't a wuss.

Gordon Brown is a wuss. If he wasn't, he'd make us all call him 'Sting'. Like Sting does. Because Sting is not as big a wuss as Gordon Brown.

436 wrathofasma  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:11:54pm

For all Tony Blair's faults, at least he had a better idea of what Britain was fighting. I read the latest article he wrote, and well, it shows that he really does understand the jihadi ideology and calls it out for being ridiculous. He doesn't make the full connection between the theology of Islam and terrorism, but he understands nonetheless. If only he were more resolute when he was in office. Because Gordon Brown is a dumb fool and only hurt the UK's efforts to fight them off.

BTW, is it me or does Gordon Brown look like Terry Jones of Monty Python?

437 m  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 6:01:31pm

Ok, this is bullshit!
(so THAT'S where nodrog went!)

438 EE  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 6:09:36pm

For fanatical Muslims, Islam's third wave of attack on Christianity and Europe has begun, with migration and terrorism,
article by Bernard Lewis
[Link: www.digitalnpq.org...]

How is Gordon Brown facing up to this third wave of attack on Europe and Christianity? Look at the picture, above, of the ostrich with its head in the sand.

439 UncleSam  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 7:20:41pm

Michael Savage is right: Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Liberalism is a willing, rabid denial of reality, and will result in untold needless carnage, just as it did when the world denied the Nazi threat before WWII.

440 marsouin  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 7:35:40pm

How in the hell are we going to win the war against global jihad with idiocy like this? Could we have won WWII by not making any disparaging remarks against the Germans of Japanese? This is INSANE!

441 6pat6  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 8:02:06pm

I knew I would not like Gordon Brown before he ever opened his PC mouth. He and Red Ken are probably best buds, I imagine.

Be nice to the bad guys and they will be nice to us. Winston Churchill is screaming from the grave right this very minute, as are hundreds of thousands of British war dead, both military and civilian alike.

May God have mercy upon the Empire.

442 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 10:07:46pm
"The shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to improve community relations and avoid offending Muslims..."


Geico Cave Man: Umm.. WHAT?!

On a side note, why then, do they seem NOT afraid of offending "Asians"?

443 keyser sozay  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 11:15:18am

This Gordo Brown is a sneak peak into a Democrat in the white house. Once people get a load of this appeaser, a republican will win big in 08'! That is my prediction and I'm sticking to it!


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