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-RetweetPhillips and Littlejohn on the UK Terror Attacks

Tue, Jul 3, 2007 at 11:09:45 am PDT

A good piece in the Daily Mail by Richard Littlejohn: The car bomb you are calling may be switched off - please try later!

It’s best not to dwell on the enormity of what has led us here. In yesterday’s Mail, Melanie Phillips summarised superbly not just the deranged evil of those who seek to destroy us, but also the frightening criminal negligence, stubborn stupidity and callous indifference of those charged with protecting us.

Don’t blame the police or the intelligence service, this is a mess made by politicians. I felt like retching when Gordon Brown sauntered on camera to announce that the safety of the British people was paramount. Here is a man who for the past ten years has been one of the two most prominent members of a government which has turned Britain into a playground for jihadists.

Labour tore up border controls, allowing a mass influx of Islamist psychopaths from all over the globe. Radical preachers and terrorist recruiting sergeants were encouraged to settle here. They were fed and watered, handed benefits, council houses and free cars.

Two years after 9/11, Captain Hook was still given a police guard to peddle his message of hatred and murder on the streets of Finsbury Park. Omar Bakri was safely tucked up in free accommodation in Edmonton and driving a brand new people carrier paid for by the mug British taxpayer.

These were but two among tens of thousands of Muslims living among us who make no secret that they hate Western society and intend to establish an Islamic state in Britain. Yet Gordon Brown’s government wasn’t interested.

Those of us who had the audacity to question the folly of allowing Islamic radicalism to foment in this country in the name of ‘diversity’ and ‘multiculturalism’ were smeared as ‘racists’.

And here’s the column mentioned above, by Melanie Phillips: Fatal flaws in our defence against terror.

Far from damping this fire down, the Government itself is fanning the flames still further. Because it refuses to acknowledge that this is an Islamic religious war against the West, the political and security establishment is actually trying to use Islamist religious extremism as an antidote to Islamist terrorism without acknowledging the unbroken line between the two.

So it is actually promoting, as role models for impressionable young Muslims seeking a purpose to their lives, Islamists who claim not to support violence - even though they spout hatred of the West, Americans and Jews.

Ludicrously, it has even recruited Islamist radicals into government - to act as advisors against Islamic radicalism.

This lethal misjudgment has had disastrous results. Extremism has multiplied. The police themselves have been compromised. As the former radical Ed Husain has written, Islamists who work closely with the police to “represent Muslims” have been tipping off jihadists about police activities.

And the Government’s refusal to outlaw Hizb ut Tahrir, on the spurious grounds that although it promotes the Islamic takeover of Britain it is not committed to violence, has meant that this group continues to recruit thousands of students on campus to the cause of jihad against the West.

This is madness. The result is that, while most British Muslims say they would have no truck with terrorism or violence, an insupportable number of them do endorse appalling ideas.

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1 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:12:29am

Maybe it's time for them to realize their folly.

2 galloping granny  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:13:19am

Yes, I did notice the great care with which the new British government referred to the individuals involved in these acts of terrorism as "criminals."

3 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:14:09am
4 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:14:58am

Sadly, the Brits will continue down this current path, even if they are hit with a mass casualty attack, because they will choose the path of appeasement and denial, rather than admit that the jihadis are intent upon commiting war against the West precisely because we do not believe as they do. They do not believe in peaceful coexistence. They take concessions as a sign of weakness, and exploit such concessions at every turn.

5 Citizen Duck  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:16:14am
These were but two among tens of thousands of Muslims living among us who make no secret that they hate Western society and intend to establish an Islamic state in Britain. Yet Gordon Brown’s government wasn’t interested.

QFT. Except this last bit, which needs a bit of adjustment:

Yet Gordon Brown’s government wasn’t isn't interested.

Ah. Fixt.

6 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:16:28am
7 bianchi_roadie  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:16:47am

I'd rather them be called "criminals" than "activists" or "militants". At least it acknowledges the rule of law exists in civilized countries.

8 astronmr20  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:17:00am

SO glad for the reply button. Here Here!

9 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:17:04am

Sounds like the Brits may be ready to change course. The French just tacked (to use a nautical term); maybe UK is next. I sure hope so. Make Labour walk the (proverbial) plank.

10 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:17:24am

Brits should become familiar with the word inshallah.

11 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:17:39am

#2 Galloping Granny

It's a bloody joke isn't it? Typical bloody socialist tactic that: change the terminology and downplay the severity. I can just see all the 'hoodies' now, sitting around and wondering what to do next. Shall we mug an old lady, kick the crap out of a random, innocent victim, or load an SUV up with propane canisters and try to kill everybody at the airport; 'cos that's just the sort of thing 'criminals' are wont to do when they're bored, isn't it?

12 David E  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:17:55am

And the Prime Idiot, er minister, is asking all of his people to refrain from using terms like war on terror and of course Muslim.

13 saywhat?  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:18:16am
As the former radical Ed Husain has written, Islamists who work closely with the police to “represent Muslims” have been tipping off jihadists about police activities.

According to HotAir : "Glasgow jihadis were tipped about police pursuit"

14 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:18:26am
Those of us who had the audacity to question the folly of allowing Islamic radicalism to foment in this country in the name of ‘diversity’ and ‘multiculturalism’ were smeared as ‘racists’.

Left-wing assholes are the same the world over. Assholes.

15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:18:31am

A note to Brown:

THE TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS!

16 loppyd  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:18:37am

Iron Fist doth speaketh the truth.

17 1 US Sheeple  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:18:55am

It is 1938 all over again! Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it! Not an exact quote, but the message is still very timely.

18 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:19:41am

How do these attack rate when compared to the IRA bombings 20 years ago?

Did the British government make religion the issue back then?

19 loppyd  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:19:48am

astronmr20

SO glad for the reply button. Here Here!

I second that!

Very cool, Charles. Thank you...

20 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:20:03am

OT: The Attention Whore comes out of retirement...
Call Out the Instigator
by CindySheehan


I tried to remove myself from the
political realm of the US, what BushCo is turning into
an Evil Empire, but the blatant audacity of George
commuting Scooter’s sentence (he’s not ruling out a
full pardon ---and you know he will) has dragged me
kicking and screaming back in.

...
We are going to walk from Atlanta, GA to Congress
beginning July 13th and ending up in DC on July 23rd
to send the mis-leaders back home to face the music of
justice in their own districts.

It is about time us “peasants” (in the eyes of the
Fascist Ruling Elite) march on DC with our
“pitchforks” of righteous anger and our “torches” of
truth to demand the ouster of BushCo. I have a dream
of the detention centers that George has built and
filled being instead filled with Orange Clad neo-cons
and neo-connettes.

If Congress won’t dig BushCo’s political grave, it is
the People’s job to do so.
...
Author’s note: Please, I already see “Attention Whore
Back.
” If anyone thinks that I am going to walk
hundreds of miles in the Deep South during July for
attention, then please join us!

21 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:20:49am

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22 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:20:57am

Loved this, tell it like it is:

Islamist psychopaths

23 Beagle  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:21:09am

No wonder the Bush Doctrine was DOA. We'd have to invade London.

24 bunker buster  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:21:22am

What's this "reply" button I keep hearing about?

25 ZionistYoungster  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:21:46am

OT, linkage: from the "Don't Question Their Patriotism" department (because there's overtime for 4th July): diary "Committing Crimes against Humanity or Delivering Democracy?" on Daily Kos, delving into the USA's atomic sinfulness in 1945. Excerpts (with the diarist's original dramatic emphases left out):

Please don't tell this version of history to most of our fellow Americans especially the conservative ones because they will consider this pure blasphemey . Their simple version of history avoids this Japanese view because it makes a myth out of that favored American excuse for using atomic weapons on defenseless cities: we dropped the bomb to end the war sooner. We committed an evil to preempt a greater evil. Two cities teeming with civilians and refugees, of little or no military significance, must be sacrificed in an atomic terror attack.

[...]

I like most American's prefer the explanation that we were taught in school much better although it probably isn't the sole reason Japan capitulated. It's cleaner, simple. Otherwise what is the difference between Saddam Hussein gassing thousands of Kurdish civilians in Halabja in 1988, and the USA irradiating several hundred thousand Japanese in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I mean, can the good guys put their leaders in the same dock with scum like Goering, or Tojo to face charges for committing crimes against humanity?

I found out this diary because it was tagged with "Israel". Here's the part that made the tag relevent:

[...] The Neo-Cons claim that Iran is a threat to Israel and I would agree with that however Israel has 250-300 of their own nuclear bombs so they don't need us to protect them from a possible Iranian Bomb that could be decades away from even being built.

From the comments, one comment by the diarist himself ("redstatehatemonitor") goes like this:

I won't be celebrating independence day tommorow (0+ / 0-)

and not next year indeed not until this nation has been freed from NEO-CON tyranny then i might be able to celebrate independence day once again. Hell we would have been better off under the British Crown than under the NEO-CON Jackboot

Below that text is a comparative photo-stitching telling us what the diarist thinks of US police (and therefore probably military as well).

As always with such Daily Kos diaries: not all the diarists are pleased with that diary (there are accusations of conspiracy-mongering in the comments), but the mere fact that people think Daily Kos is an appropriate place for such a diary is something to chew on...

TMBB
They Might Be Buddhists

26 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:21:59am

#4 Lawhawk

The British Government will continue down this path mate. The British people, however actually restrained they are, will go berserk if a tipping point is reached.

#10 Just_A_Grunt

Forget it. Never going to happen. Change the record.

27 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:22:08am
28 Bunker Buster  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:22:10am

There it is. Didn't show up until just now, for some reason. Never mind!

29 loppyd  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:22:14am

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30 daughter of patriots  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:22:17am

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31 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:22:17am

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32 opnion  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:22:43am

These are really good articles.
If you are swimming with sharks referring to them as fine animals will not save you.
Why is it so difficult to call the threat what it is, Islamic Terrorism?
This is not mere police work against a handful of criminals with no discernible affiliation.
What there are of moderate Muslims must be demoralized when they see these savages pandered to.
The enemy should be identified , located and eradicated either through deportation or jail or deadly force if they use it.

33 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:22:56am

For some reason, I just can't picture the British taking it by the Islamists. Aren't the English known for acting cool under pressure and then finally exploding into unbelievable acts of rage at a certain "boiling point." Even the French have evidently reached their tipping point (okay, metaphor alert, I know I know).

34 Spiny Norman  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:23:22am

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35 Beagle  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:23:25am

#20 Killgore

I have a dream of the detention centers that George has built and filled being instead filled with Orange Clad neo-cons and neo-connettes.


That's a perfect example of how they use projection to justify their authoritarian/S&M fantasies.

36 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:23:32am

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37 Bunker Buster  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:23:35am

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38 MrMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:23:49am
Ludicrously, it has even recruited Islamist radicals into government - to act as advisors against Islamic radicalism.

Infiltrating themselves...idiots!

39 Dianna  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:24:05am

Should the Brits revive the concept of "Decent, ordinary criminals"?


Oh, that's a joke, by the way.

40 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:24:52am
41 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:25:26am

Leave it to Iowahawk to provide spittakes on this whole mess.

42 MrMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:25:40am

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43 pat  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:25:49am

Must admit it is no better here. CAIR advocates the over throw of the government and the FBI hires them as sensitivity trainers. FBI also refuses to hire nonIslamic translators even though they have been caught mistranslating Arabic documents.

44 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:26:02am
45 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:26:37am

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46 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:26:51am
47 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:27:26am
48 Spiny Norman  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:27:38am

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49 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:28:08am

WOW - I go away for lunch and LGF comes back up! How long has LGF been back, anyone know?

50 MrMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:28:10am
Anyhoo, Achmed finally says, "how about packing cars with explosives and killing hundreds of random infidels in a coordinated series of gigantic fireballs?" And we're like, fuckin' A!

LOL...go read the whole thing. Iowahawk does it again!

51 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:28:41am

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52 pianogirl  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:29:17am

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53 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:29:41am
54 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:32:24am

A veritable one-two punch of anti-idiotarianism.

55 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:32:41am
Ludicrously, it has even recruited Islamist radicals into government - to act as advisors against Islamic radicalism.

The governments naivety and stupidity in this has been criminal.

56 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:33:39am

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57 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:33:45am

#52 pianogirl
She never really went away. She got a lot of attention from her retirement, then did her post retirement press tour, and promptly unretired weeks later when her phone stopped ringing.

58 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:34:14am

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59 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:35:21am
60 MrMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:35:28am
Get this: Achmed, whose only job it was to call in a simple fucking detonation code, switched his cell carrier to get the new iPhone and forgot to transfer his goddamn detonation contact list. So I'm like, "how about Bilal? Did he explode? Please tell me exploded." The dopey expressions around the room told me otherwise. Faaack. Now there's NO dead infidels, NO horny virgins, and I'm out one leased Mercedes with a £12,000 balloon payment

Stan works in mysterious ways! heh

61 David E  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:36:00am

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62 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:36:24am

Mikey Moore’s socialized medicine causes terrorism...

NHS and an open door to terrorism
6,000 Arab doctors at work in UK

Experts said that terrorist organisations could be specifically recruiting doctors because they were from a trusted profession and could easily slip under the radar of the security services.

Before last year, even these limited checks were not made, as the Government did not ask applicants to gain a work permit because there was such a shortage of doctors.

I'm not sure if anyone's picked up this angle yet.

63 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:36:37am

New British PM Gordon Brown went to the John Kerry School of Avoiding Calling a Spade a Spade

"I'm impressed with the fact that (Brown) and Jacqui Smith speak pretty calmly," said Londoner James Freeman, 32. "They're focusing on terrorists as criminals, rather than people of a religious persuasion. I think (Brown) is going to continue to stand firm."

64 RTLM  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:36:41am

CNN appears stunned that Muslim Docs would dismiss the Hippocratic Oath -

Doctors taking the modern Hippocratic oath swear to "abstain from whatever is harmful or mischievous," but the investigation into plots to bomb targets in Britain suggests a group of medics may have ignored that vow.

CNN -Muslims dismiss any Kuffar law, oath, vow or contract as it is of Infidel origin.

I do NO business with Muslims (aside from the occsional taxi ride) for this reason.

65 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:37:25am

Way to step up to the plate there, Gordo !

66 smcg  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:37:25am

the VMI honor code states that you shall not lie, cheat, or steal, nor shall you tolerate lying,cheating. or stealing. the idea that tolerance of the action is as bad as the action applies to the millions of muslims who are not actively working to prevent terrorism. any non muslim who tolerates this islamic invasion is guilty as well.
mcg

67 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:37:27am

Hey lopps!

68 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:38:42am

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69 Maine's Michael  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:38:54am

For all Tony Fucking Blair's fine words, this is the reality of Britain today.

Recent McLean's Magazine cover story was on how far, how fast, the UK has fallen.

70 FriarsTale  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:38:55am

good old Christopher Hitchens has something to point out:

The Ladies Night Angle
[Link: www.slate.com...]

kill the kuffir skags and sluts

71 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:39:25am
72 Bobibutu  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:39:45am

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73 markie  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:40:19am

How about Islamist Homicidal Psychopaths? Declares anyone displaying such behavior as an immediate, extreme threat to human life, and as such qualifies anyone in a position to neutralize such a threat as a potential hero. (I won't even mention the M.W. since I'm trying to ignore her.)

74 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:40:28am

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75 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:40:29am

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76 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:40:53am

Last I checked, Muqtada al-Sadr was in Iraq.


BTW, Muqtada al-Sadr was responsible for the death of Cindy Sheehan's son.

He's alive and well.

Why?

77 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:40:56am

O.T. - I'm generally not a feel good guy, one who loves the arts and poetry, but I thought this simple, yet profound. Actually inspired me to write my first heartfelt poem today. I'm sure many have read this before. I never had so I though I would share it. Sorry to go off message.

I read of a man who stood to speak
At the funeral of a friend
He referred to the dates on her tombstone
From the beginning to the end

He noted that first came her date of her birth
And spoke the following date with tears,
But he said what mattered most of all
Was the dash between those years

For that dash represents all the time
That she spent alive on earth.
And now only those who loved her
Know what that little line is worth.

For it matters not how much we own;
The cars, the house, the cash,
What matters is how we live and love
And how we spend our dash.

So think about this long and hard.
Are there things you’d like to change?
For you never know how much time is left,
That can still be rearranged.

If we could just slow down enough
To consider what’s true and real
And always try to understand
The way other people feel.

And be less quick to anger,
And show appreciation more
And love the people in our lives
Like we’ve never loved before.

If we treat each other with respect,
And more often wear a smile
Remembering that this special dash
Might only last a little while.

So, when your eulogy is being read
With your life’s actions to rehash
Would you be proud of the things they say
About how you spent your dash?

78 opnion  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:41:07am

#20
Cindi Sheehan could not stay away. She craves the attention & people like maureen Dowd granting her total moral authority

79 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:41:44am

And now ,,, here's something completely different!
I have a wait and see attitude on this, but if true, it is VERY welcome even if long overdue !

British Muslim group condemns car bombings
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

80 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:41:51am

The Palis seem to run short of ammunition:

16-year-old Palestinian killed by IDF in Hebron

IDF troops in Hebron spotted two Palestinians who appeared to be armed. The force opened fire at the two, hitting one.

However, when the soldiers approached the fallen Palestinian they discovered that he was actually holding an imitation M16 rifle.


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

81 RTLM  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:42:28am

Brown gives up the power to declare war
Gordon Brown: Britain's new Prime Minister
Gordon Brown will this week propose surrendering historic powers delegated to previous prime ministers by the monarch as part of a wide-ranging programme of constitutional reform.

The reforms are expected to involve Mr Brown giving up royal prerogatives traditionally exercised by the prime minister, such as the power to declare war without parliamentary approval or to appoint bishops to the Church of England.



Brown: UK's gift to the Jihadi/LLL set that keeps on giving

82 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:42:38am

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83 pianogirl  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:42:57am

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84 eowyn2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:43:07am

"And the Government’s refusal to outlaw Hizb ut Tahrir, on the spurious grounds that although it promotes the Islamic takeover of Britain it is not committed to violence, has meant that this group continues to recruit thousands of students on campus to the cause of jihad against the West."

Does anyone in Britain remember their religious history? The purging of the Catholics? The reason "the colonies" were settled in the first place?

"And the Government’s refusal to outlaw Sin Fein on the spurious grounds that although it promotes a Catholic takeover of Ireland it is not committed to violence, has meant that this group continues to recruit thousands of students in Ireland to the cause of the IRA." - WHEN PIGS FLY


C'mon Britania, if you can release Cromwell upon the general populace, you can release the bobbies on the muslim extremists trying to conquer from within.

85 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:43:26am

...the reformed Islamist extremist Hassan Butt patiently spelled out to presenter Jim Naughtie that Islamist terrorists carry out their acts of mass murder as an expression of religious faith and fervour. They do it, he said, ‘for the pleasure of God’. Far from being acts of despair, these terrible atrocities are acts of religious exultation.

86 new2thezoo  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:43:48am

Related to topic.
The same creeping of Islamic presence is happening as well here in the good ol' USA. For example, my brother runs a security business in southern California. He is being put out of business by another security company...and run by what and whom? It is an arab security company. They got government help and are busily undercutting the local security companies putting them out of business. So your local Cosco's security is being run by an Arab company. Doesn't that make you feel safe as you are shopping? Shades of the Dubai takeover, just on a smaller level.

87 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:43:51am

i am starting to believe we need new anti islamic political parties and not just here be in all the lands of the kafir.

the pol. correct parties of the past don't get it and i want no connection to neo fascist parties as well as many of them are pro islamist because of there anti semitism.

88 Bunker Buster  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:44:14am

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89 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:44:43am

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90 loppyd  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:45:17am

Ward Cleaver

Hi Ward!

Big plans for the 4th?

91 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:45:52am

we need an group of political parties that are ANTI ISLAMIST TO THE CORE AND ARE INTERNATIONAL IN SCOPE AS THE JIHADIST ARE A WORLD WIDE PROBLEM.

92 loppyd  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:46:26am

{realwest}

Hey there, Handsome.

Hope you're feeling better!

I have to step out for a few, but I'll BRB

93 cpuller  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:46:27am

You can call them Polish Orthodox Christians but the reality is, they'll still kill you.

I'd settle for calling them "the recently deceased".

94 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:47:28am

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95 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:48:36am

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96 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:48:55am

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97 scottthecanuck  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:49:08am

A lot more British blood will have to be spilled before they get more serious over there. Years of multi-culti propaganda and left wing dominance of major establishments (broadcasting, universities, government, civil service, brothels) won't be undone overnight.

98 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:49:25am

Too bad Mr. Littlejohn is not Prime Minister.
By the way, any thoughts on whether the British have had their eyes opened regarding the appropriateness of all these "boycott Israel" resolutions?

99 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:49:34am

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100 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:49:45am

#92 {loppyd} Hey there gorgeous! Sorry you had to step out, cause now I gotta leave - just took my cancer/pain meds and hate falling asleep on the keyboard!
Hope I see y'all tomorrow, but if not, have a Happy Fourth of July!

101 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:50:46am
102 Ackomanyuki  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:50:47am

Since it sounds like the Master may be in for another cash outlay, I dragged this over from the Lizard Rally Point


Ackomanyuki said...

Realwest,

I was expecting that maybe it could be necessary for those of us who can to contribute more than I mentioned. From reading people's personal stories here, I am aware that not all of us can contribute financially to this site, and among them, many contribute enough just by the sheer relevancy, and depth of insight of their comments, IMHO.

Personally though, I am in arrears in what I feel I should contribute financially here, Lord knows my infrequent obtuse, and at times inane, drive by posts are in no way commensurate in contribution with the amount of bandwidth I have used lurking here for five years.

I told my wife a few years back that places like LGF were the embryos of a future political movement that was to take political discourse and the accountability of our elected Reps to a completely new and different level. I think that should be apparent now to all who are paying attention. it is with this in mind that I am reassessing the level of my political financial contributions and am considering (in consultation with She Who Must Be Obeyed)where to reallocate that item of our household budget. This blog and several others (Michael Yon in particular) are first on my list to receive my largess. I would hope that others here of moderate or greater means, would also consider this as a viable alternative to campaign finance contributions in having their voices heard in the political arena.

/Soapbox off

July 3, 2007 11:31 AM

103 David E  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:51:34am

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104 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:52:29am

The sad thing about Britain is that the Labor Party is loony but also the Tories are led by a limpid metro sexual named David Cameron. Where is Margaret Thatcher when she is needed?

105 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:52:50am

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106 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:53:28am

Exciting Breaking News:


Hillary Clinton brings out Bill for a boost

The force dubbed "Billary" - the combination of former US President Bill Clinton and his wife - hit Iowa in earnest Tuesday, focusing on lifting Hillary Clinton's candidacy in an early voting state that one aide has described as her weakest.

The Clintons were campaigning across the state for three days. The two tried to win over more than 300 Iowa caucusgoers Tuesday morning at a private breakfast on the state fairgrounds.

The two arrived Monday night for a rally there, making it the first time they had appeared together in one of the early nominating states that are the focus of the 2008 race since she entered it.

Bill Clinton said he is backing his wife because she is the most qualified, not because of any spousal obligation.

Lol!

What next? Israel-president Katsav accompanied by 10 raped and abused young women?
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

107 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:54:04am

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108 rappmandu  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:54:07am

Too bad the upcoming 7/7 concerts are more concerned with internal combustion than "infidel" combustion.

109 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:54:28am

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110 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:54:34am

#96 jellobob - Son, his "army" is probably still in Iraq, whatever's left of it but HE is definitely in Iran.
And we don't ignore bombings in Iraq, after all they are ALL caused by the jihadists and usually "foreign fighters" from Saudia Arabia, Tunisa and other places outside of Iran. They do not appear to appreciate the irony inherent in their sneaking into Iraq to bomb other muslims.
Have a good day kid, try spending some of it NOT watching the MSM, maybe read a good book, like one from Robert Spenser.

Sorry y'all gotta to - hope y'all have a great day and I hope I get to see y'all later - the foregoing does apply to jellobob, too!

111 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:54:35am

After Gordon Brown's Ostrich Doctrine, don't you know the jihadis are laughing their arses off.

112 AuntAcid  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:54:55am

SEE YOU IN COURT TERRORISTS!

that'll fix'em...

By God, that'll fix'em good...

113 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:55:22am

...and they don't have Tony Blair to kick around anymore.

114 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:56:25am

Articles like these )littlejohn's and Phillips's) reinforce my assessment that the British are
finished. They're ruled by socialist Scots while Westminster has little or no say in Scotland (or Wales). Their law is increasingly subject to
the European Union's; their elites worship the UN and its green theology; the Conservative opposition is led by a girlie man, and their people have been physically and morally disarmed and required
to place their personal safety with the State, all under the guise of multiculturalism and a rejection of the past that once made Britain glorious.
Add an unwillingness to face the home grown jihadi threat and such statements as a future Royal Navy of 22 ships, and there is very little hope that the English will prevail in their own country, either against the internal threats of the Livingstone and Galloway acolytes and one-worlders, or outside threats such as the European Union. Throw in massive doses of anti-Semitism and anti-American feeling in the press, the universities, the Anglican Church, the Foreign Office, and there can't be much anymore to Britain or a Special Relationship with us ---
now that Tony Blair is gone.

115 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:56:34am

#101 Buzzsaw,

Nah, I just read it. But I liked the content...

So I wrote my own. One day, if I get real brave and my skin gets real thick, I'll share my own.

~ The Dash - Linda Ellis

116 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:57:15am
We don't need too. Your Lame Steam Media reports each and every hiccup coming from Iraq as if it were Armeggedon. Why not ask your friends at the New York Slimes to just ONCE announce a positive thing our troops are doing there! THAT would be news !


One of my best friends, CPT Mark Paine, was killed in Iraq on 15 October 2006.

His name was not mentioned on this blog.

117 zmdavid  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:58:05am

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118 David E  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:58:41am

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119 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:59:27am

How long was LGF down?


I was hoping to post some amusing speculation about what this means, but LGF wouldn't connect for me during my lunch hour.

GFDL model dissipates Tropical Disturbance 96L in 60 hours, while SHIPS intensity model shows essentially no strengthening next 120 hours.

120 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:59:27am

109 yochanan

S THERE A CURRENT BRITISH PARTY THAT GETS THE ISLMO FASCIST WAR THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SIN OF ANTI SEMITISM?


Sadly not. They fall all over each other pronouncing their devotion to multiculturalism, they are silent on the boycotts of Israel, and all avert their eyes to the growing anti-Semitism. Look at Prince Charles who wants to become Defender of All Faiths (meaning Islamic0 rather than Supreme Governor of the Church of England.

121 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:00:25pm

#104 Joel

Cameron critised those who use the word "Islamist" to describe the ideological roots of the terrorist threat.

He's the worst Tory leader we ever had. All he does is jump on trendy, politically correct bandwagons, and has no policies of his own, nor does he have the slightest clue as to what the majority of this country really want.

All I know is that if it carries on at this rate, we'll be asking the last person who leaves Britain to turn out the lights, 'cos we're not coming back until common sense prevails!

122 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:00:51pm

It appears the Muslim terrorists who attempted the London attacks were the same Muslim terrorists who pulled off the Glasgow attack.

Small world.

Even the Indian guy with a one-way ticket to Pakistan is named Mohammed.

Shocka!

123 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:00:52pm

#102 Ackomanyuki - indeed! As I suggested (and it was only a suggestion; each lizard has their own financial income and expenses to consider), but it does seem to me that, perhaps, each of us could contribut say $25.00 every three months or so to help take the burden off Charles for his new Cluster Farm or whatever it is.
Just a thought and frankly I know that for some lizards $25.00 every three months is a burden that they can't meet; I'm only throwing it out as a suggestion, y'all have to meet your own, other financial obligations first and we all recognize and respect that.

Now I'm definitely out of here!

124 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:02:09pm

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125 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:02:23pm

#116 jellobob

I'm sorry for the loss of any soldier, but what's your point? Dramatic statements do not a logical argument make.

126 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:02:29pm

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127 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:02:38pm

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128 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:02:57pm

121 Nannette
I wonder how many British citizens are [planning on emigrating? I hope that the best of them come to America and Australia. The Tories have totally turned their back on the Thatcher legacy. Every time I wander into the East End I think I am in Bangladesh.

129 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:02:57pm

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130 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:03:47pm

As a fire fighter that has not only seen what a propane tank explosion can do but I've also done a fair amount of study on it. The British government has NO idea just how lucky they are. Had the tanks gone off there would have been many killed and injured.

Trying to just brush it off is damn right scary and foolish.

131 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:03:51pm
132 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:04:19pm

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133 mama winger  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:04:25pm

#116 jellobob

One of my best friends, CPT Mark Paine, was killed in Iraq on 15 October 2006.

His name was not mentioned on this blog.

I am very sorry indeed about your friend. It is probably my fault that his name was not shared here. I used to post names and stories of the casualties quite a lot here, but have gotten away from it in recent months. I should have kept it up.

My sincere condolences.

134 Shanimal1918  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:04:47pm

OT: Looks like CAIR has set it's sights on Cal Thomas for "incitement" because he tells it like it is concerning the latest incidents in the UK...

135 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:05:03pm
Why wasn't his death recorded on this blog?

? Now we're a listing service?

136 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:05:05pm
137 realwest  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:05:28pm

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138 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:05:37pm

What is the web address for iowahawk? I'd love to read the new article some of y'all have referred to.

139 MrMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:05:44pm

jellobob
What's more important to you: That your friend's name be rotely recorded on this blog, or the priciples he was fighting for?

140 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:06:02pm

ATTENTION ALL LGF CONTRIBUTORS ,,,

So JelloBobs "feelings" are aussuaged, I hereby announce that his freind, along with many other fine citizens of the world, have been slaughtered by MUSLIM FANATIC EXTREMISTS..

JeloBob ,, there ,,, tis been posted ,,, feel better !?!?!?

141 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:06:02pm

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142 mama winger  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:06:19pm

Jellobob -

If he was in the National Guard, his death will be seen by clicking my nic.

143 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:06:33pm
Why wasn't his death recorded on this blog?

It's a BLOG. You, as his best friend, were free to post his name.

144 NY Nana  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:06:50pm

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145 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:07:33pm

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146 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:07:37pm

#126 jellobob

Did you get the impression that this website's function was to record the death of each individual American soldier in Iraq?

147 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:07:41pm

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148 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:08:30pm

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149 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:08:51pm
That your friend's name be rotely recorded on this blog, or the priciples he was fighting for?

The principles he fought for?

You mean beer and women? Those where his principles.

I miss him.

150 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:09:07pm

144 NY Nana

May G-d help the UK.


The British certainly are not doing anything to help themselves.

151 mama winger  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:09:11pm

Tomorrow might be a good day for any LGF posters here to share stories of friends or relatives fighting overseas in the WoT. Just a thought.

152 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:09:37pm
153 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:09:58pm

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154 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:10:24pm
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156 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:10:41pm

#128 Joel

I wonder how many British citizens are [planning on emigrating? I hope that the best of them come to America and Australia. The Tories have totally turned their back on the Thatcher legacy. Every time I wander into the East End I think I am in Bangladesh.

LOL, when you go to the East End, you are in bloody Bangladesh mate! It bears no semblance to the old East End, although it's one area of London that's always been home to immigrants - and most of them never had handouts from the government, and they all had to learn English. These new immigrants are the exception - and are given priority over the natives for many things.

There's a lot who already left, many to Australia, America, Israel, Canada, and New Zealand. Quite a few have gone to France, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Germany, and the rest of Europe in search for a better life, although many people buying houses in Spain found that the Spanish government charge them for building a road or motorway through their newly bought houses, even though their new homes are destroyed. Obviously, the Spanish won't even give compensation to those who lose their homes.

I'm also going, maybe next year or the year after, either to Israel (if Olmert has gone by then) or to Oz, where most of my cousins are now.

157 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:10:50pm
Did you get the impression that this website's function was to record the death of each individual American soldier in Iraq?


I thought it was to document the War on Terror.

LGF seems very selective in the bombings it records and the ones it does not.

158 MrMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:11:26pm

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159 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:11:40pm

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160 mama winger  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:13:43pm

#157 jellobob

LGF seems very selective in the bombings it records and the ones it does not.

In fact, Charles does put up threads regarding Iraq.

But you have to realize that there is a difference between posting war events that happen inside a war zone, and war events that happen in the civilian world. One expects bombings to be part of a war action - it would be unusual if they were absent. What is unusual is that bombings take place in civilian areas or in countries not currently at war.

161 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:14:00pm

156 Nanette
The thing that burns me up when I visit the Est End is all the Mosques (think Brick Lane) that were once synagogues. Thank you British Jewish leadership for allowing that to happen. Also that East London Mosque on Whitechapel Road looks like a space ship landed. Talk about an ugly, forbidding looking building (a veritable House of Evil).

Hopefully Olmerde will be gone after the full Winograd report is released.

162 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:14:03pm
ummm,, not to sound crass ,, but he was "one of your best friends" ,, and you weren't aware of his death until you ",,,found out about his death through a protester reading out names of the dead on T.V. Then I googled it. Then I saw pictures of his coffin at Arlington. "

People drift apart. That's the Army way. He went off to Korea, I went to Kansas.

I never saw him after graduation, but we e-mailed for years.

163 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:14:42pm

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164 Dianna  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:15:11pm

#157

"Selective"?

This is Charles' blog, and what he chooses to post, in so far as I have a sense of his news judgement, are stories he feels give the global perspective.

You, should you start your own blog, are free to select what you will comment on, as well.

Until then, I suggest that someone who doesn't even know a friend is dead short of googling not complain of someone else's news stories.

165 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:15:12pm

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166 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:15:32pm
But you have to realize that there is a difference between posting war events that happen inside a war zone, and war events that happen in the civilian world. One expects bombings to be part of a war action - it would be unusual if they were absent. What is unusual is that bombings take place in civilian areas or in countries not currently at war.


The Arabs don't seem to think that there is a difference.

167 mama winger  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:15:38pm

#163 Dust-Off

Little Winger has declared war on little white balls, it seems. He's out on the golf course, again. And again . :)

168 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:16:02pm

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169 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:16:35pm

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170 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:16:55pm

156 Nanette
I was struck on my last visit to Spitalfields/Whitechapel in seeing street signs in Bengali (Brick Lane, Princelet Street, Fournier Street, etc.) Jack the Ripper would be lost if he came back in time!

171 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:17:19pm

#114 Joel

I agree with you completely, sad to say. I lived in Scotland back in the mid 70's, and was astounded, shocked, hurt, and finally, outraged at the pervasive, and vehement hatred of Americans, caused, it seemed, by envy of our prosperity.

Pissed me off to the point that I can no longer look at a Scot, or Brit with any feeling of warmth, affection, or kinship. Too bad, but it was their doing.

G-d damned ingrates! As the saying goes:There'll always be an England!...but they'd be speaking German, and driving Volkswagens today, if it weren't for the Americans!

172 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:17:30pm

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173 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:17:34pm

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174 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:17:39pm

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175 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:17:55pm

151 Mama Winger

Thanks but I wont be here tomorrow. Can I jump the gun.

My son-in-law is in the green zone. Since my daughter is also in the army, she understands what he is doing there although she misses him terribly and he misses her.

My nephew is on his way to Tikrit and should be arriving there this week. Marine

Another nephew is home after his tour, he's an army officer.

My son (marine) and daughter (army) are both currently stationed stateside.

Prayers for all are always welcome.

176 mama winger  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:18:08pm

#166 jellobob

What is it that you want? I have offered my condolences, and my apologies. you have not acknowledged that you saw either of my posts concerning the subject, where I apologized for lapsing in my posting of casualties, or inviting you to click on my name for the list that is always there, and has been since I joined LGF.

I don't know what more I can say.

177 WriterMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:18:14pm
178 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:18:32pm

Hmmm, besides the roughly 2 GIs a day killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, sometimes more (like during the early stages of the surge), Muslims kill dozens of civilians every day in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Indonesia, Pakistan, Yemen, Thailand and the Philippines. Israel has been relatively lucky, but not because the Muslims aren't trying. When Iran completes a weaponized nuclear device, there could be daily tolls in the tens of thousands.


So somehow the owner of LGF is being hypocritical if he doesn't include the name of each victim of Islamic violence?

179 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:18:47pm

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180 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:19:41pm
181 Buck  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:19:42pm

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182 Dianna  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:20:12pm

#172

Yes.

On the other hand, I have never failed to get news of a friend's death within a very few days.

183 MrMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:20:14pm

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184 mama winger  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:20:59pm

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185 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:21:40pm

171 M. Bensson-Levi
The last time I was in Britain (a few years ago), I took a trip into the bucolic Cotswolds. It was beautiful but in a way a bit sad, I got the impression that Britain's greatness was behind it and at best the country would be one vast historical theme park. The spirit that rescued an army at Dunkirk, or held off the Kaiser Offensive of 1918 no longer exists.

186 jellobob  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:22:09pm
You think that Charles should document the Jihadi deaths in Iraq, along with their victims. The same way he would document Jihad victims in the West.


Yes.

Well said.

Gotta run,

Peace out!

187 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:22:20pm

The problem in the U.K. is the only party that seems to get the islmo fascist problem has a history of anti semitism.

THE NATIONAL FRONT the odd thing is they show case Philips book LONDONSTAN on the blog even though she is a ardent zionist. There problem might be that liberal jews are supporters of multi culturalism etc but us sane jews are not.

that is why i think there is a need for a new set of parties in euroland that gets the problem of islmo fascism.

188 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:23:01pm

#128 Joel

Every time I wander into the East End I think I am in Bangladesh.

Quite what else you expected to see is anybodies guess. There are countless places outside of London that won't go near the place, mostly because it's become one great ghetto to us. I feel for anybody who feels they have to live there.

Perhaps next time you might want to actually see a bit more of Britain, outside the capitol. Let's face it, if you wander into a rat infested area, you can't surprised when you see a bloody great load of rats.

189 Bob Tail  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:23:24pm

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190 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:23:30pm

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191 texanista  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:24:17pm

Has anyone posted "Take up thy stethoscope and walk" from Piper at the Gates of Dawn; yet?

192 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:24:27pm

#175 Eowyn2,

My son-in-law is in the green zone. Since my daughter is also in the army, she understands what he is doing there although she misses him terribly and he misses her.

My nephew is on his way to Tikrit and should be arriving there this week. Marine

Another nephew is home after his tour, he's an army officer.

My son (marine) and daughter (army) are both currently stationed stateside.

Prayers for all are always welcome.

We are generally very quick to thank and compliment our brave soldiers - not so quick to include the family.

From my family to yours, thank you. And God Bless you and yours. You guys and gals are heroes in the Natalie family book.

193 MrMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:24:44pm

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175 Eowyn2 7/03/2007 12:17:55 pm PDT

151 Mama Winger

Thanks but I wont be here tomorrow. Can I jump the gun.

My son-in-law is in the green zone. Since my daughter is also in the army, she understands what he is doing there although she misses him terribly and he misses her.

My nephew is on his way to Tikrit and should be arriving there this week. Marine

Another nephew is home after his tour, he's an army officer.

My son (marine) and daughter (army) are both currently stationed stateside.

Prayers for all are always welcome.


I will put and keep you on my GROWING prayer list. Thank you and all yours for everything!

194 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:24:51pm
195 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:25:38pm

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196 mama winger  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:25:48pm

#194 buzzsaw

It's the opposite of 'peace in'.

197 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:25:49pm
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199 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:26:26pm

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200 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:26:55pm
201 allah this  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:27:24pm

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202 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:27:28pm

#167 mama,

Little Winger has declared war on little white balls, it seems. He's out on the golf course, again. And again . :)

Tell your son from Natalie, a good soldier knows when he is overmatched.

Tell him it's a futile fight unless his name is Tiger Winger. But it's a good time anyway.

Carry on...

203 murqtaad  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:27:30pm

jellobob,

But he was killed by Muslims. Why wasn't his death recorded on this blog?

WTF? Is this Iraqbodycount.net? Sorry for HIS loss... I'm sure he would love the way you drop his name for your own pathetic, um, arguement, or whatever the fuck you are doing.

204 WriterMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:27:43pm

#194 buzz

I'll translate for you. I am fluent in Tin Foil.

It means "I'm a Moonbat".

205 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:27:59pm

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206 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:28:10pm

jellobob

LGF seems very selective in the bombings it records and the ones it does not.

Doesn't sound like you've been here much. Maybe you should base your research on more than one day's worth of registered debate.

Were you just biding your time until you could throw a flamer to use your friend's death to get attention?

207 opnion  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:28:37pm

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208 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:28:47pm

jellobob has hijacked this thread the way the infamous (and banned) fellow who used to rant about globular clusters did a couple of years back.

209 loppyd  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:29:27pm

Mama Winger

You do so much to honor those who have lost their lives fighting for our country and just as much for those currently serving. Don't you dare apologize!

{Mama Winger}

210 Bunker Buster  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:29:32pm

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211 WriterMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:29:55pm

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212 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:30:07pm

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213 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:30:16pm
214 WriterMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:30:47pm

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215 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:30:50pm

Momma, Goddess, MrMom, Natalie and all those who keep our service men and women in their prayers. They and their families really do appreciate it.

Have a cold one to them tomorrow.

216 Bunker Buster  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:30:59pm

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217 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:31:43pm

#188 Wishbone
I have traveled all over England (especially to medieval cathedral cities - Canterbury, Salisbury, Winschester, St. Albans) etc.

218 mama winger  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:31:49pm

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220 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:32:11pm

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221 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:32:23pm
222 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:32:55pm

There is a general phenomena of Saudis pouring huge amounts of money into medical school to create residencies for their own people all over the world. There are two permanent Saudi funded spots in one of our local hospitals. I recall quite well two of them who arrived here, fresh off the boat, so to speak, with veiled wives, who promptly began making idiotic comments about Jews and women at their first meeting. Imagine their shock to discover the department head was a Jewish woman, and all their senior colleagues were women, half of whom were Jews, except for the one man in the division who was a Jew.

Many of them can't take the culture shock and head back home without finishing the residency. Most of those quietly seethe before they go. They often make complaints about people being against Muslims when they are given zeros for not handing in assignments or given supreme hell for not bothering to show up for rounds. They almost all have a very hard time because they expect to be handed their certification simply because it is being paid for by their government back home, and because they are Muslims and so they see themselves as being naturally superior.

I specifically recall one fellow who didn't bother showing up for class and handing in assignments in a required course (you fail you leave) and he failed the course in spite of constant warnings and attempted hand holding. That was somehow the fault of the university hospital (and the Jews running it although he never actually said that) because it should have ensured he wasn't "humliated" by being failed. They get here and get no special treatment or consideration in a very difficult residency program, no way to bribe their way up or out (one did actually try to bribe me!), no way to succeed except to work their butts off and many have never done that. I can easily see some doing the sudden jihadi thing when slapped around by reality. It SO fits the profile.

Even so I was shocked that so many doctors were involved. I shouldn't be, but I am.

To be fair I have seen some actually readjust their thinking, start working their butts off and actually doing well. Generally those were folks who had nothing to go back to, like another fellow, the black Saudi son of a concubine who was much loved by his Saudi father but who had no chance of every being accepted in Saudi society. He did well after nearly flunking out in the first year. He's fine now and his wife is no longer veiled either.

223 mama winger  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:33:13pm

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224 ZionistYoungster  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:33:42pm

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225 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:33:58pm

188 Wishbone
The reason why I visit the East End whenever I come to London is because my great-grandparents settled there in the 1880's

226 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:34:43pm

that is why i see the need for a new anti islamist party or group of international parties.

if i hear the term from the POTUS the religion of peace one more time i am going to barf.


I don't have to go to Londonistan to feel like i am in a muslim country all i have to do is walk out of my apt in west rodgers park in chicago turn east on devon and walk 4 blocks i a will feel like i am in pakistan and not america. I have seen burkas and vails as well as political posters and groups that are clearly islamist. we have pakistan independence day parade not a parade on july 4th.

227 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:35:05pm

#161 Joel

The thing that burns me up when I visit the Est End is all the Mosques (think Brick Lane) that were once synagogues. Thank you British Jewish leadership for allowing that to happen.


You think the Jewish leadership care? They've got great jobs, secure pensions, and are so politically correct, you'd think some were on the other side, fighting for Muslim rights!

Hopefully Olmerde will be gone after the full Winograd report is released.

Olmerde is the one orchestrating the Winograd report... he's worse than a cheap kurveh. He's selling Israel out completely - and has done the most despicable thing during the Pride week - he created pogroms in the religions areas.

And he's allowing homes near the Temple Mount to be sold to Jordanians, even though many Jews have been prevented from buying there.

I can't even begin to think of words for Olmert other than kapo, but even that's too good for him.

228 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:35:14pm

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229 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:35:34pm

#219 Eowyn2

what the hell is a globular cluster?


I have no idea but this loon would hijack an entire thread ranting about it until Charles Johnson banned him.

230 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:35:41pm
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232 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:36:30pm
233 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:38:13pm

227 Nannette
Olmerde is one of the most vile political hacks I can ever think of. The man (and I know I should not judge someone by their physical looks) has the look of a congenital moron on his ugly face.
As for the so called British Jewish leadership, Israel Zangwill in the 19th century accurately pegged them as "trembling Israelites."

234 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:39:14pm

mama winger

Jellobob is right about that, at least. They deserve our notice.

But who says we don't? LGF has posters who check in at all hours, 24 hours a day -- I'm not in charge of noting deaths by Muslims, nor do I know if someone else has mentioned it on a previous thread.

I hereby appoint jellobob for that task.

235 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:39:18pm

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236 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:39:20pm

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237 shoeless  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:40:34pm

OT:

un-indicted co-conspiritors are denouncing again:

[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

238 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:41:01pm

New code for LGF: DBM -- Death by Muslim.

239 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:41:01pm

211 WriterMom
Yes you remembered his name, YAIR! What a loon he was!
Always obsessing about Globular Clusters.

Hi loppyd!

240 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:41:09pm

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241 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:41:27pm

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242 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:41:51pm
243 ContraJihadi  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:42:36pm

#220 bulwrk quotes:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Abraham Lincoln

Argh! I thought it was Samuel Johnson who said that, but you are right.

244 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:42:38pm

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245 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:42:50pm

#185 Joel

The spirit...no longer exists.

The demise of the Empire, begun about the time of Queen Victoria's death and complete by the end of WWII, has completely broken the spirit of the British. They seem ashamed, even to exist. They seem to be a people defeated, not by any specific enemy, but by the march of time and progress.

I think that this is what makes them bitter towards the power that is their successor, their political and social progeny, the United States.

But then again, who knows?...or gives a rat's rump! Fact is they must rid themselves of the jihadi in their midst, or perish...and they ain't doin' too good at that. That's that.

246 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:42:59pm

235 Wishbone
Thankfully I saw no evidence of the Religion of Peace in Stoke-on the Wold, Woodstock, Burford, Burton-on the Water, Chipping Camden - in the wonderful Cotswolds. I also made sure I did not go to any Mill and Mosque towns such as Leeds and Bradford.

247 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:43:45pm

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248 MrMom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:43:54pm

#215 Eowyn2
Can do! Have a great one. :^)

249 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:43:57pm

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250 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:44:02pm

#245 M. Bensson-Levi
Unfortunately I think tat the best of the British nation perished in 1914- 18.

251 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:44:49pm

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252 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:45:47pm

247 Nannette
We park our cars in the same garage. My description of Olmerde aka Abu Dana,(which I posted yesterday here on LGF) is that he is a vain, incompetent, insolent and cowardly nonentity.

253 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:46:12pm

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254 zuckerlilly  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:46:52pm

Mr. "slow hand" Eric Clapton knew this long before:

In 1976, Clapton was the centre of controversy and accusations of racism, when he spoke out against increasing immigration during a concert in Birmingham. He commented that England had "...become overcrowded...that England sells itself as the "land of milk and honey" only to turn around and stick its invited immigrants into low paying labour jobs, living in substandard conditions..." Clapton also voiced his support of controversial political candidate Enoch Powell, making references to "a black colony."

Enoch Powell (Rivers of Blood speech)

255 rappmandu  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:46:55pm

Lizards,

I've been wondering about this for a while. Does your state fly Old Glory and your state flag at half-staff every time a soldier, sailor, airman, marine, guardsman, etc., who was from or was stationed in your state dies in the GWOT?

Oregon does this. I understand it does so, purportedly, to honor those who pay the ultimate price. I also wonder what impacts it makes to have, in effect, folks seeing the flags at half-staff 24/7/365.

What does your state do?

256 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:47:22pm

In order to appease the lizard army (appeasement is the flavor of the month, right?) why not add a simple counter that can be updated every time the Religion of Peace™ claims a new victim. Within a month, that number would probably rival the number of visits LGF receives.

All of us who serve or are veterans, no matter the branch, have lost brothers (and sisters) in arms. Each one of those losses is a tragedy, as 1 American volunteer is worth the lives of a hundred of those savages. We should all take comfort in that everyone of that 3600+ went forth of their own volition and gave their lives in defense of our way of life. There is no greater honor afforded than to serve your country, and your fellow man. Those who die doing it are truly the best among us. And no single loss is greater than any other. Everyone of them was some ones son or daughter, mother or father, or loved one. I invite everyone to tip your hat or raise your glass in memory of all those went over there and didn’t return.

257 funkyfantom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:47:50pm
#33 Golem Akbar
For some reason, I just can't picture the British taking it by the Islamists. Aren't the English known for acting cool under pressure and then finally exploding into unbelievable acts of rage at a certain "boiling point." Even the French have evidently reached their tipping point (okay, metaphor alert, I know I know).

Well, if and when the native Brits do "explode", it seems as if they will have to do so unarmed while the Muslims will be armed.

The left will be happy about that, of course- they want the situation to be the same in the USA.

258 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:48:57pm

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259 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:49:05pm

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260 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:49:05pm
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Abraham Lincoln


Mark Twain actually said that.

261 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:49:48pm

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263 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:50:36pm

240 Nannette
Yes it is sad to see how much the East End has lost its Jewish flavor. Blooms (on Whitechapel Road) closed over a decade ago) as did The Kosher Luncheon Club in Greatorex Street. I mentioned the synagogue (previously a Huguenot Church) which has become a Mosque (on Brick Lane). Fortunately the Sandy's Row synagogue (in Spitalfields) is still functioning but for how long?

264 funkyfantom  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:50:55pm
#256 TaxDollars
In order to appease the lizard army (appeasement is the flavor of the month, right?) why not add a simple counter that can be updated every time the Religion of Peace™ claims a new victim.

Not enough people in ANY army to do THAT count, sadly.

265 Kaos Hiker  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:51:06pm

Eowyn2... Pride and Fear... Every Generation of My Family has had more than one Soldier/Sailor. My boys have just reached Military Age. Pride and Fear is what I feel.

266 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:51:25pm

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267 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:51:30pm
"Muslims in Britain are under siege. There has been unjustified internment, innocent Muslims are in prison, extradition laws have been applied for made up crimes, individuals are arbitrarily arrested. ... Don't be surprised when Muslims fight back,"

-Mr. Chouderhead of All Maroons

Oh those poor doctors! Forced to be well paid and given prominent jobs, position and privileges (Doctors do have the best drugs!). How oppressed they were! Stopped every thirty feet by some Bobby and asked to see their papers under threat of being taken to Gestapo Headquarters (Scotland Yard!) where they will never be seen again. As if. And those British flags with the Crusader cross on them everywhere as far as the eyes can see. Beautiful and not so beautiful women walking about uncovered, wearing what they please, driving automobiles, reading books and even running companies and government departments.

What an evil state of things; such intolerable oppression.

Well if you don't like that theory, try this: the revolution will be televised, it will be Islamic and will happen on the streets in which you live.

The 2007 Doctor's Plot is a powerful message to human societies: leftist ideals and multiculturalism are dangerously stupid. Immigration can be great thing; it is why I am an American and not a WWII death statistic. But it only makes sense if the immigrant is absorbed into the host society rather than the other way round. This is especially true when the immigrant comes from a failed state with a failed culture and totalitarian society.

While there is some benefit to showing people how the other half live, it does make one better appreciate what they have when they see an Islamic slum. Moving the Islamic slum to your own backyard however, has now been conclusively shown to be one of the dumbest ideas ever. Pretending the problem is not a radicalized sixth century interpretation of the Islamic faith stacks willful defenselessness on top of previous failure. When the foundation is a flimsy collection of leftist happy-think, who can be surprised when the giant PC castle of air crashes down on the heads of the average Brit? Only the out of touch leadership and craven liars can pretend anymore. Just as the PC constable denied that Islam could have anything to do with 7/7, the British government pretends it is still so with the latest attacks, but Islam had EVERYTHING to do with this mess. Islam hasn't recovered from the seventeenth century and may not get around to reccovering from the 20th century for another 300 years.

Why did a man spend his days using his intellect to heal people then spend his spare time building car bombs? Who is he and what was it about him that he believes he is commanded by his faith to commit mass murder? He is a Muslim extremist and he thinks G-d commands him to kill.

There is no other explanation for his actions and that is no excuse. The rest of the society that does not follow his faith are perfectly within their rights to demand that his faith cease and desist, or else. British Muslims dug this hole. Instead of being grateful for the opportunity to live in a free society and not to live lives of meaningless emptiness and suffering in some backwater failed state, they were given the greatest chance in the world, to be part of something successful and good, something proven to work, with opportunity to be truly free, Islamic Britain instead chose to bring the Jihad to their hosts with contempt and an open disregard for the rest of society.

British society can expect to be attacked at any moment by these monsters. They are blind and have no idea who are enemies or friends. If, heaven forbid, they are successfully attacked, I would not want to be a British Muslim. If the British can muster the hate and demonization against Israel for the mere crime of her Jewish existence, one shudders what beast will emerge should the hatred be directed against an Islam that has manifestly harmed them.

268 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:52:33pm

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269 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:53:19pm

having a gay parade in Jerusalem was a provacation and done to cause the problems it caused. Leftist agent provakators.

Now if they had had it in secular tel avia or haifa i doubt it would have cased the problems it did.

270 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:54:17pm

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271 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:55:26pm

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272 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:55:45pm

#263 Joel, most Jews are now in Golders Green, Hendon, Edgware, Stanmore, Mill Hill, St. Johns Wood and Hampstead.

If you ever visit, Golders Green has some amazing restaurants and shops which sell photos and books of the old Jewish East End. The books are beautiful, with some amazing photos. It's a piece of history.

273 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:55:52pm

270 Golem Akbar
What's the latest with Olmerde's wife the left wing loon Aliza and his horrible Stalinist daughter Dana?

274 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:56:25pm

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275 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:57:26pm

#270 Golem Akbar

I don't hold back, although my comments on the Israeli newspapers are rarely published. LOL

276 loppyd  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:58:04pm

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277 rappmandu  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:58:10pm

Judith,

Thanks for the info! I wasn't aware of that, and it's interesting that the policy changed.

Let's hear from other Lizards about the 49 other states.

278 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:58:33pm

272 Nannette
I have heard of Golders Green (I think Blooms still has a Deli there) and will visit the next time I go to Londonistan. Finchley also used to have a large Jewish population (ironic because the Finchely Mosque is a terror Mosque). I think Margaret Thatcher represented a large Jewish district in Parliament (Finchley).

One British "Jew" I cannot stand is Gerald Kaufman.

279 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:59:38pm

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280 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 12:59:54pm

#276 loppyd

Do I sound as goy as I feel?


Just about every LGFer is an honorary Jew.

281 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:00:21pm
282 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:00:28pm

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283 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:00:41pm

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284 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:01:24pm

to have the gay parade in jerusalem was to expect what happened in my opinion in fact i think the did it just to cause this sort of thing. Sort of like drving in a shormer shabos part of jerusalem some radical secularists do it just to cause trouble.

If they just wanted to have a parade Tel Aviv which is the most secular part of Israel is were they should have done it but i think it was done in Jerusalem just to cause this sort of trouble. Religious jews feel Jerusalme is a holy city and homosexuality is a sin in all the major religions which are centeered in jerusalem not just the jewish religion .

285 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:03:06pm

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286 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:03:09pm

282 Golem Akbar
The last I heard about Dana Olmerde was her protesting outside of Dan Halutz's (when he was Chief of Staff) house protesting the Gaza Beach explosion (which turned out to be PLO explosives that blew up) back in early 2006.

287 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:03:34pm

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288 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:03:38pm

#274 Judith

I was specifically talking about the NIGHT BEFORE the Pride festival!

Read the whole thing.

They could have had the Pride festival in Tel Aviv or Haifa, like #269 Yochanan said.

Olmert declared war against the Jews when he first came into power, which is why he's deliberately upsetting the orthodox community in a way he'd never upset the Arabs.

But maybe you're beguiled by the evil Olmert.

The following clearly illustrates why Israel needs a new government ASAP - and for Olmert the traitor to be kicked out - minus all the kickbacks he's taken, of course!

How can anyone have faith in a leader who says the following:

"A country cannot protect itself ad infinitum, because there would be no end to it." -- from a recent statement by Ehud Olmert

"We are tired of fighting, we are tired of being courageous, we are tired of winning, we are tired of defeating our enemies..." -- Ehud Olmert

289 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:03:47pm

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290 loppyd  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:04:11pm

{Joel}

Just about every LGFer is an honorary Jew.

And it is an honor...

291 ZionistYoungster  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:04:26pm

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292 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:05:09pm

#278 Joel

Gerald Kaufman... Feh!

Another kurveh!

293 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:05:56pm

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295 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:06:38pm

judith sorry but i totally disagre with liberal jews trying to impose there views it the jerusalem jewish community such as at the kotel sorry but that is a provocation and they are wrong. Would you like it if i came into your schul and demanded you put up a mahetzah? this is what you are doing at the kotal.

296 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:06:38pm

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298 rappmandu  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:07:51pm

Eowyn2,

Any idea if half staff is state or municipal policy in MT?

299 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:08:19pm

#283 Judith

There is no provocation possible that can excuse the use of violence in response the way the Haredim have reacted in the past to things like Reform Jews having a mixed male/female service in the plaza at The Wall and being created by violence.

I've been there many times for mixed services, and it's been wonderfully peaceful.

You obviously hate the ultra orthodox, which means you hate all Jews.

300 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:08:26pm

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302 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:08:34pm
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304 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:11:14pm

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305 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:11:22pm

297 loppyd
Caveman Johnny Damon was talking about all the "bad luck" that the Yanks were hitting into the past weekend until Jorge Posada told him public to cut the crap and that too many guys were just going through the motions.

306 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:11:49pm

#289 Judith

And still no excuses for rioting violence and mob rule by religious Jews against nonreligious Jews. That merely reduces religious Jews to the same level as Saudi morality police who beat women in the streets for daring to show up in public without a veil.

I lived in Israel on and off for 18 years, and only had one incident in the religious quarter, but I was wearing just a bikini top and high cut shorts.

Otherwise the ultra orthodox and perfectly normal, but when you visit their part of the city, you have to learn to show respect.

307 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:12:06pm

I'm a gentile, but I can pass for Jewish when naked.

308 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:12:11pm

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309 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:12:13pm
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312 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:13:51pm
I've been there many times for mixed services, and it's been wonderfully peaceful.

How do you define mixed services? Do they include women reading from the torah, wearing Tallit and Tefillen and singing? If so, then I stand corrected and things have changed.

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315 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:16:44pm

think of the western wall as a shul and as a shul it has its own religious comm that runs it and its own rabbi etc. Liberals are wrong when they think they have the right to barge in and change things to fit there personal ideology. Just because in golus liberalism controls many Jewish organizations does not mean they have the right to go into someone Else's house and demand that there liberal religion take the place of traditional Jewish values. When you come into someone else's house you should show some respect to there values as well. I don't think liberals can do this that is why the demand things like liberal values at a the kotel.

Or a gay parade in the Eir Hakodesh. I personally would oppose a violent reaction to the charah but a peaceful civil disobedience to it like having a sit down demo reading thilem for example i would be 100% in favor.

now if they wanted to have a gay parade or a pork eating BBQ in tel aviv i could careless i just would not go that is all.

316 abolitionist  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:16:53pm

#116 jellobob

The kind of weapon that was probably used to kill your friend in Iraq has been the subject of several threads on LGF. Here are two:

Palestinians Using Iranian Weapons?

The Media Are the Enemy

317 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:17:13pm
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322 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:18:44pm
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324 loppyd  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:19:43pm

ploome hineni

in that case, we should allow Jews for Jesus to have a mass at the Temple mount?

Jews for Jesus - Ugh.

Calling Babba!

325 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:20:09pm
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327 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:21:07pm

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330 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:21:35pm

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331 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:21:35pm

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333 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:22:41pm

every group has his hot heads frum jews are not an exception but liberal jews sure like to paint us with a very broad brush. Personally I am not even a shormer mitzvah jew but i do respect them for what they do. Unlike the assimilated jews who offen hate the frum.

334 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:22:43pm

#294 Joel

Read Caroline Glick in today's J Post. He already sold Israel out. I don't know how much he was paid to do it, but he has.

335 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:22:53pm

328 loppyd
I always refer to Alex Rodriguez as being the master of the 10-3 homerun. When the Yanks are ahed 10-3 or behind 10-3, that is when he usually belts it out.

336 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:23:00pm

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337 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:23:31pm
338 Call me infidel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:24:22pm

The reason this latest terrorist outrage is being described as a "criminal act" stems from an EU directive. They do not wish to antagonise their future masters. Therefore islamic terrorism will no longer be described as such. Gordon Brown is just the same as Tony Blair. A wanker of the highest order. The opposition is run by an effete toff who thinks the way to win is to copy Blair.

Successive governments have sold Britain out to Europe. We have allowed hundreds of thousands of undesirables in and now we are paying the price. It can only get worse. Personally I am saving up to get out because I believe the situation is irredeemable.

339 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:24:35pm
340 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:25:02pm

334 Nanette
The man is so politically weak he is in no position ot sell Israel out. He is consumed by one thing only - political survival. Also I think that Barack has said he will pull Labor out if (and you know it will) the Winograd report criticizes Olmerde's bad performance during last summer's war. Now if Lieberman (another whore by the way) can be persuaded to pull out the guy is toast.

341 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:25:09pm

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345 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:27:09pm
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347 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:30:32pm
348 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:30:36pm

#338 Call me infidel

They do not wish to antagonise their future masters.

Prophetic words.

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352 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:34:17pm
353 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:34:41pm

i lived in Jerusalem for a period back when i was a chabadnic so i have a clear understanding of what the city is about. there are plenty of secular places in israel for those who want that sort of thing and there are some religious jewish places as well why do the liberal have to have it all? Just because they are used to being the cats meow in golous? Most of them really don't don't know very much about the jewish religion and its values.

the last time i went to a conserative (liberal really) movemetn shul they were talking about having a "bark mitvah" for the dogs and as it was a few weeks before purim (a jewish holiday were it is part of the tradition to make fun of things ) i thought at first it was funny until i realized this was to be well after purim and there were totally serious at that point i decided it was a 'shunda' a total insult to the long established jewish tradition of a BAR MITVAH and all it stands for. The more liberal a shul is the less jewish its values are with reconstructionism and reform the religion really is LIBERALISM and not the jewish one.

354 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:34:56pm

#333 yochanan

every group has his hot heads frum jews are not an exception but liberal jews sure like to paint us with a very broad brush. Personally I am not even a shormer mitzvah jew but i do respect them for what they do. Unlike the assimilated jews who offen hate the frum.

It's the liberal Jews who are the most hateful, ignorant and bigotted group.

A Jew is a Jew, period. And to win this massive war against us, we have to unite to fight, otherwise there will be another Holocaust, and people like Judith will be on the other side.

We have a saying "never forget". We must never forget the 3500 years of suffering, prejudice and massacres that have befallen us, and every time, there were liberals like Judith, acting the kapo.

355 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:35:14pm

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356 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:35:32pm
357 niallster  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:35:39pm

Joel,

Maybe Ploome is mistaking Wishbone for me.

I tend to have a go when idiots like him and Realtwat make stupid statements like:

ALL BRITS ARE ANTI-SEMITES!

and:

WE HAD TO SAVE THEIR LIMEY ASSES TWICE!

You can almost feel the spittle on the keyboard.

Now Ploome says we Brits have anti-semitism in our genes. Bit of a surprise for Crick and Watson but who are we to question such a towering intellect as Ploome, not to method his brilliant grasp of history.

Still whilst we fight amongst ourselves the jihadis are firing up the woodchippers...

358 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:36:14pm

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359 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:38:17pm

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360 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:40:22pm

The current government in Israel has 3 percent public support but has managed to work overtime to shove a left wing agenda down the public's throat and the gay parade in Jerusalem was just one more part of it

whatever one's feelings about the haredim, there was far more violence done against them by olmert's police, than the other way around

nor do I see any reason why water cannons had to be aimed inside people's homes or young girls had to be beaten simply for participating in a prayer protest

361 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:40:58pm

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362 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:41:08pm

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363 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:42:19pm

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364 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:42:27pm

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365 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:42:46pm

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366 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:44:12pm

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367 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:45:32pm

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368 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:46:03pm

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369 madisonsfriend  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:46:39pm

uh, This is starting to look like Yahooboards- except the remarks against Jews there were generally not by other Jews. Can we tone down the really hateful remarks by Jews about other Jews? If I wanted to see this, I could read Washingtonpost on-line comments on any article about Israel.

370 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:46:55pm

PIMF - British, in the

371 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:46:57pm
372 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:47:00pm

Another new LGF term: Gordon Brown's "Don't say Muslim" campaign is the Ostrich Doctrine.

/I want credit for that!

373 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:48:03pm

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374 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:48:43pm
375 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:49:00pm

#361 Nanette

Of course they're going to insult Judaism, they're the golem people.

Watch that! Not all Golems are bad...

376 loppyd  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:49:27pm

Joel

I am working on scoring Red Sox/Yankees tickets in August...

But right now I am working more on getting out of here!

Have a great 4th, Lizard Nation!

377 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:49:41pm

#368 Joel

{sigh}

I hope you're wrong -- but you could be right. Shoving out Tony Blair as a "puppet" of Bush was not a good sign, either.

378 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:49:50pm

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379 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:51:33pm

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380 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:52:09pm

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381 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:52:27pm

Again PIMF -was thrown

382 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:52:33pm

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383 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:53:23pm

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384 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:54:25pm

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385 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:54:52pm

CHARLES:

Time to open a new thread. Its natives are getting restless. The crypts are raiding the hood. The whole Venezualian navy has butch and kid penned up.

386 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:56:31pm

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387 nyc redneck  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:57:12pm

hey everybody, i have an israeli flag and i'm part english

388 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 1:59:19pm
389 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:00:08pm
390 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:00:52pm

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391 Promethea  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:01:27pm

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392 amrilusaguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:03:32pm

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393 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:06:06pm

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394 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:06:19pm

there is a certain level of anti Semites in all of euroland that we in America are not really used to post ww2. Although it does exist here in America as well.

the American state dept is and has always been Arabist and the same thing can be said for the Brit foreign office.

I would suggest our British readers to go look up the JEWS AND THE TOWER OF YORK. sometimes people are in denial about there countries history.

395 amrilusaguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:06:28pm

Many Posts

As to Jews hating or flaming other Jews

are those who say that we have to make peace with others who are committed to wiping out a people worth acknowledging as Jews

personally I think not

one has to but live in Israel to understand the dynamic and also to understand that one can not talk with others who are only interested in destruction

396 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:08:58pm
397 M. Bensson-Levi  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:09:22pm

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398 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:12:10pm

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399 amrilusaguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:13:39pm

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400 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:14:55pm

certian canards are thrown at religious jews. or you can find the worst example and use that to justify what ever you want.

i was a chabad chusid for 20 years so i can say i had heard them all.

If one of the reasons you use for our rights to eratz yisroel is our religous conection to the place for thousands of years THAN YOU BETTER BE WILLING TO ALLOW THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THAT SAID RELIGION THR RIGHT TO FREELY LIVE IT IN JERUSALEM. Even if you personly don't fellow said religion which is one of the reasons i respect the frum jews.

401 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:16:08pm
402 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:18:56pm

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403 amrilusaguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:20:51pm

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404 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:21:03pm

I think there is a certain level of anti-semitism aplenty just about everywhere. It is predominantly in the left that we see it today, although the far right are often anti-semitic as well. I don't think it's for one nation to point the finger at another here, unless you are talking about muslims countries, where anti-semitism is actually mainstream.

405 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:22:36pm
406 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:22:46pm

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407 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:23:24pm
408 amrilusaguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:24:45pm

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409 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:26:17pm
410 amrilusaguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:26:58pm

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411 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:28:00pm
412 amrilusaguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:28:01pm

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413 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:28:33pm

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414 NY Nana  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:28:41pm

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415 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:29:11pm
416 amrilusaguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:29:41pm

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417 amrilusaguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:31:04pm

# 416
PIMF

That should say 411

sorry...

418 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:31:15pm
419 amrilusaguy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:32:03pm

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420 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:32:21pm
421 spam spam spam spam  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:35:37pm

Britain needs to let loose the HMS Raging Queen upon the jihadis.

422 hailing frequencies open  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:38:22pm

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423 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:39:59pm

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424 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:40:24pm
425 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:48:03pm

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426 threecoloursblue  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:48:12pm

Richard Littlejohn is a living - well, sort of - example of the " Little Boy Who Cried Wolf "

He panders to tabloid racists and is as anti-semitic as he is racist and homophobic.

He has - at last - landed on a group with whom most people will - for now at least - harbour any sympathy, muslims.

However , having him on your side is like getting the thumbs-up from a serial killer.

He's a truely disgusting pos.

427 MacBoy  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:49:28pm

Littlejohn has a documentary, 'The War on Britain's Jews' airing on Channel 4 next Monday. A must-see without a doubt.

428 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:53:35pm
429 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 2:54:13pm
430 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 3:00:07pm
431 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 3:03:20pm

We do indeed need each other. There's 1 billion+ of them and nowhere near as many of us, especially when we count only those who aren't already in their corner.

But if you look back history, both Jewish and European, this kind of infighting has been all too commonplace.

When the enemy was at the gates of Vienna, fellow Europeans were doing their part to undermine the defense and even fighting on the side of the enemy.

432 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 3:05:59pm

390 Wishbone
Alas, polls have shown that the British population considers Israel (or the US or a combo of both) to be the biggest threat to world peace.

433 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 3:06:24pm
434 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 3:08:00pm

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435 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 3:08:17pm

Today is Shiva Asar Be'Tammuz and those who know the history, know that Israel fell because of infighting, brother against brother.

In Israel, Religious and Secular Jews together need to stand and oppose the corrupt government and bring a government to power that supports Israel's best interests and a strong national defense.

There are plenty of secular and religious Jews selling out Israel. There are also plenty of religious and secular Jews who reject what is going on. We all have stereotypes about each other and those stereotypes are useless generalizations.

Religious people are no more welfare frauds who cheat, beat their wives and attack anyone driving on Shabbat, than Secular people hate G-d, regularly have orgies and are devoid of morals. There's always a little truth to stereotype which obscures the fact that it isn't true overall.

The fact is that underneath the anger and divisiveness, most secular Jews respect religion and religious people for the commitment they make and religious Jews will take you into their home at a moment's notice. We have enough enemies. Let us be brothers.

436 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 3:13:22pm

one more reason for NHS quality of care?

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

"That freewheeling system was designed to help Britain cope with a doctor shortage. Last year the regulations were tightened — not out of concern for security but because Britain needs fewer foreign doctors. But today's National Health Service clinics and hospitals still rely heavily on them.

According to figures supplied by the General Medical Council, a regulatory agency, 37 percent of the 238,739 doctors practicing in Britain trained and qualified as physicians overseas. That includes 27,558 doctors from India, 6,634 from Pakistan, 1,987 from Iraq and 184 from Jordan, the agency said."

437 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 3:30:29pm

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438 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 3:36:28pm

Nanette Look at what you have written.

You obviously hate the ultra orthodox, which means you hate all Jews.

Nonsense. I never said that. You are extrapolating, and unfairly I might add.

Olmerde is one of the most vile political hacks I can ever think of. The man (and I know I should not judge someone by their physical looks) has the look of a congenital moron on his ugly face.

You mock a man for something he can't help, his looks.

put your pro-Kadima views where the sun doesn't shine.

You use profanity against someone else for expressing a view yoou don't like.

I'll prove that you're not only a Jew hater, but that you're the liar.

You distort and misrepresent what I said.

It's the liberal Jews who are the most hateful, ignorant and bigotted group.
...And to win this massive war against us, we have to unite to fight, otherwise there will be another Holocaust, and people like Judith will be on the other side. We have a saying "never forget". We must never forget the 3500 years of suffering, prejudice and massacres that have befallen us, and every time, there were liberals like Judith, acting the kapo.

Without knowing me and without knowing what I have done you have condemned me as one of the worst forms of Jews.

It's those Jews who are the self haters, antisemites and anti-Israel activists.
Of course they're going to insult Judaism, they're the golem people.

Referring of course to my own segment of the Jewish population.

Nannette you are the most hate filled and hate spewing Jew I've had the misfortunate to meet in a long time. You are the one who should be ashamed, ashamed of yourself. I pray it is due to the kind of immaturity that would cause you to wear a bikini in a relgious neighbourhood and you'll outgrow it in time.

439 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 3:38:54pm
440 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 3:59:24pm

sorry but i have heard every biased remark made against ortho Jews and some of the worst come from liberal Jews as they don't feel as guilty over it as gentiles esp when talking to Jews. no group is perfect esp if being judged by someone is looking for a preconceived ideal.

Now if one person has a lavish house does not mean his neighbor is as well off. Because of the fact that ortho Jews tend to live in the same area because they have to be able to walk to shul on the sabbath offen people of many different economic classes live right next to each other so some one who is rich might live right next to some one who is qualified to be on welfare or other social support. I think the method of funding of public schools is unfair i paid a lot of property tax through my land lord but my three kids did not go to public school. i paid plenty of money so i think it should have been fair for some of it to come back in a school voucher.

441 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:03:30pm

#351 Wishbone

Don't waste your time here. ploome hineni and yochanan are mentally ill. They are also completely ignorant of European and even their own history. They are apologists for terrorists so long as they are jewish terrorists like Menachin Begin. If they actually face historical truths they would go catatonic.

As late as 1938 the year Mussolini introduced Italy's antiJewish laws - of the 47,000 Jews in Italy more than 10,000 were members of the Fascist Party; one in three of the Jewish population over the age of 21. ...Mussolini was probably only ever antiSemitic - if at all - for pragmatic rather than ideological reasons. After all, his main mistress, Margarita Sarfatti, the woman often called the uncrowned queen of Italy throughout the 1920s and much of the 1930s, was a Jew.


Don't waste your time and just because they throw out an allegation against the british with such confidence don't assume it's true and they know more than you. They make things up as a matter of routine.

442 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:04:50pm

437 Wishbone
You are British so you tell me, are those polls (in your opinion) accurate

443 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:06:21pm

Buzzsaw, I saw a news report about a black drug dealer yesterday, I guess using your logic I can generalize that all black people are drug dealers?

That's what you're doing with religious people now.

I mean of course non-religious and non-jewish institutions don't commit fraud...

444 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:08:25pm

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445 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:09:11pm

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446 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:11:03pm

#445 Joel
Britain's new foreign secretary David Miliband has a jewish father. Do check your facts little boy...

447 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:12:30pm

Italy had a lot more than 47,000 Jews and Mussolini's Fascists were not Nazis. They were nationalists. Not necessarily nice guys but initially Mussolini had even blocked Hitler's attempt to take over Austria. Like Franco, Mussolini was not a fan of Hitler and thought he was a raving lunatic.

Italy's right and Italy's left had Jewish participation, which means Jews were basically like *gasp* other Italians.

448 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:14:49pm

What does Miliband having a Jewish father have to do with anything?

Unless he self-identifies as Jewish, it means nothing.

449 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:15:12pm

438 Judith
I was the one who referred to Ehud Olmerde's moronic looks. Yes I know it is not a nice thing to do but surely even you will admit he has been an execrable Prime Minister and corrupt man. I despise the man with every fiber of my being and am proud of it. He sucks!

450 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:15:17pm

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451 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:17:17pm

446 bweep
Big fucking deal little man, Gerald Kaufman for years the Labour Party's shadow Foreign Secretary is Jewish as well and he can rot in hell.

452 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:17:55pm
453 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:20:50pm

#447 sultan_knish


which means Jews were basically like *gasp* other Italians.

Exactly...and hence not the whiter than white, purer than pure, eternal victims of the cruel Europeans as some of the lunatics in here want to believe.

454 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:25:08pm

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455 Joel  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:26:53pm

454 Nannette
I think that bweep is Alan Hart.

456 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:28:52pm

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457 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:28:53pm

#451 Joel
For every picture you can find of Arafat outside Downing Street, I can find two of him shaking hands on the Whitehouse lawn. Anyway, my fight isn't with you. I was warning Wishbone and anyone else with more than a few neurons firing not to waste her time at lgf any more. The frothing lunatics have taken over the asylum. Try googling "This is the Klan" and watching their little broadcast. See if you can spot the difference. I can't. I recommend Jackie Mason's blog.

458 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:29:13pm
459 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:30:11pm

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460 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:33:46pm

#441 Bweep

Haven't seen you in a while, mate. I know what you're saying Bweep and I do tend not to take things too seriously or hold grudges for that matter, but on this occasion I'd lost all patience. There is only so much of the fool that you can suffer.

#442 Joel

In my opinion, no they're not fella. At best opinion polls give you the vaguest of inklings within a very strict control area, so very far from empirical. Facts do however tell us that there has been a sharp percentage increase in the amount of anti-Semitic incidents in Britain lately. This is directly sourced from the Police reports on those incidents. If I remember right, I believe that Muslims were "over represented" in the matter, which should hardly come as a surprise.

What the reports do tell us is that there are indeed quite a few despicable idiots in our country, which also happens to be true for every nation that ever rose from the dust. It's not exclusive. They also tell us that more Muslims are getting nicked and it's because, basically, they hate Jews and feel the need to act on it. Now tell me that surprises anybody.

As I've said before, the vast majority of people in Britain don't give a monkey's who is or isn't Jewish and probably wouldn't know if their neighbours were Jewish. They'd bloody know it if they were Muslim though.

461 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:34:10pm
462 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:34:28pm

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463 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:35:22pm
464 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:36:16pm
465 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:36:43pm
466 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:38:13pm
467 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:38:19pm
468 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:38:44pm

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469 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:40:02pm

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470 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:40:20pm
471 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:41:25pm

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472 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:41:29pm

#454 Nannette
Why don't you look up the SS Patria.

If you want to play what if's I can do that for you:
In 1936 the majority arab population in British mandate Palestine were alarmed at being swamped by large numbers of Jews and between 1936 and 1939 they had a nasty little uprising. By restricting immigration to 75,000 a year and instead sending jewish refugees to displaced person's camps in Cyprus and Mauritius the British skillfully kept the Arabs out of WWII. What would you have done. Continued landing refugees there? Well then the Arab Israeli war of 1948 would have happened in 1939 only this time the arabs would have been lead by a German officer corps and backed up by the Luftwaffe and the Italian air force. Then when that was done, Rommel would have had a couple of hundred thousand willing Arabs to guard his supply lines. He would have taken North Africa and also Gibraltar which wuld have given Hitler the entire Mediterranean. There would never have been an invasion of Italy. The North Atlantic war would have been lost. Hitler would have had all the oil he needed out of Libya and could have sent his entire force against Moscow instead of splitting it and going after the Black Sea. He would not have needed an alliance with the Japanese and hence could have sat out the Pacific war, possible giving the Japanese British assets to help fight America.
Fortunately Churchill was smarter than you.

473 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:41:48pm

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474 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:42:16pm

"Don't waste your time here. ploome hineni and yochanan are mentallY ILL" BWEEP
y ill

Pope John Paul II gave access to some formerly secret Vatican archives to scholars, one of whom, David Kertzer, used information thus obtained in his book The Popes Against the Jews. According to that book, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the popes and many Catholic bishops and Catholic publications consistently made a distinction between "good anti-Semitism" and "bad anti-Semitism". The "bad" kind directed hatred against Jews merely because of their descent. That was considered un-Christian, in part because the church held that its message was for all of humankind equally, and any person of any ancestry could become a Christian. The "good" kind denounced alleged Jewish plots to gain control of the world by controlling newspapers, banks, schools, etc., or otherwise attributed various evils to Jews. Kertzer's book details many instances in which Catholic publications denounced such alleged plots, and then, when criticized for inciting hatred of Jews, would remind people that the Catholic church condemned the "bad" kind of anti-Semitism.

Pope Pius XI issued many criticisms of Jews for many years, but shortly before his death in early 1939, was horrified by anti-Jewish violence then escalating in nazi Germany. After the overthrow of fascism in 1943, Pope Pius XII asked the new Italian government to repeal those sections of Italy's race laws that held marriages between persons reared Catholic and formerly Jewish converts to Catholicism were not valid. But, according to Kertzer's book, he did not object to other provisions of the race laws.

During the Holocaust, Italy took in many Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany. However, with the creation of the Nazi-backed puppet Italian Social Republic, about 20% of Italy's Jews were killed, despite the Fascist government's initial refusal to deport Jews to Nazi death camps. A small community of around 40,000 Jews remains in Italy today.

also jews who were not italian citizens were deported offen to there deaths. the Italain gov't was part of the AXIS. i smell denial for sure.

475 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:43:40pm

#471 sultan_knish

No one claimed that Jews were "whiter than white"

It is the basis of everything some here say. Though I'm not referring to you or Joel.

476 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:44:20pm

200,000 dollar home implies mansion. In the New York area with its insane real estate prices, it's something far less than that. It's minimal living.

Your average Yeshiva teacher is pulling in a fraction of what a public teacher does but he needs to live in the area near the yeshiva in order to be able to work. Typically parents and in-laws chip in and there are charitable contributions.

477 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:48:23pm

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478 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:48:54pm
479 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:49:37pm

#474 yochanan
You're using the excesses of Catholic zealots as proof of British Anti Semetism. I think that no other nation did more to undermine and destroy the power behind the likes of the Inquisition than England. One Pope put out a contract on Elizabeth I. Have you ever heard of Francis Drake?

480 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:51:16pm

one person commits a crime such as welfare fraud so be it he is guilty but if you use that to attack a whole group something else is going on. the event in question occurred 10 years ago.

There are a couple 100,000 religous jews in new york and in any group of this size you can find sinners, just as there are priests who commit pedophilia it would be wrong to blame all priests so in this case to blame all frumies for the actions of a few would be just as wrong.

calling some one names such as saying i am mentally ill say more about the person calling the names than the person in question.

481 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:53:42pm

Catholic excesses outside of Britain are not proof of British anti-semitism but on the other hand two expulsions, numerous massacres and a sizable present day hostility that expresses itself in open support for anyone in a Keffiyah willing to kill Jews

I would also point out that in the Simon of Trent case it was the Papal authorities who acted more responsibly than the local clergy

482 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:53:48pm

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483 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:53:52pm
484 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:55:03pm

Buzz, I don't know where you're living but in New York, a 200,000 home is fantastically cheap, not expensive. Check the real estate listings for any major orthodox jewish community.

485 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:55:31pm

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486 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:57:17pm
487 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:57:48pm
488 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:58:31pm

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489 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:58:53pm

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490 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 4:58:58pm
491 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:00:01pm

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492 traveler  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:00:27pm

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493 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:00:58pm
494 grumpy old codger  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:01:43pm

OT yet...

Happy Birthday, Uncle Sam. May you have many more of them. GOD SAVE THE REPUBLIC!

495 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:03:50pm

#460 Wishbone
I don't post here as a rule. I have no respect for Charles Johnson or Zombie or others since they made light of the murder of British Servicemen in the King David Hotel. Amazing how a note from someone at Reuters saying "I can't wait to see you get your throat slit" gets promoted to a death threat, but a threat to murder 90 people in an attack on a civilian target which then gets carried out, that gets demoted to a legitimate warning, which, since it went unheeded makes the victims responsible. (Incidently at that time no outrage like that had ever been done before, not even by the French Resistance). Honestly, there are better places on the Internet to spend your time. You have nothing in common with this lot. By the way. I don't think most modern Israelis do either. Try reading the French news and seeing the level of the debate, and then coming here to see what the lizards are saying. It's a real eye opener.

496 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:03:55pm

jews were expelled from england as they were from almost every country in euroland at one time or another.
[Link: www.cliffordstower.com...]
and you might want to look up the jewish comm of york.


[Link: www.george-orwell.org...]

[Link: www.aish.com...]

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

497 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:04:31pm
I was the one who referred to Ehud Olmerde's moronic looks. Yes I know it is not a nice thing to do but surely even you will admit he has been an execrable Prime Minister and corrupt man. I despise the man with every fiber of my being and am proud of it. He sucks!

I detest him too but I personally don't comment on things people can't help. As for the accusation that I "hate" ect, I don't. Take gays. I personally don't have any issue with a monogamous gay couple, I strongly disagree with those segments of the gay community that indugle in wild promiscuity and claim it is a lifestyle. I also strongly disagree with anyone who says praying in a yeshiva is equivalent to serving in the IDF and I detest anyone who suggests that. I, however, do not go out beating people up I disagree with. If Jews for Jesus types wanted to have a service at the Wall I would want them to prebook it so I wasn't around to see it because I detest them too.

And while we're at this, I happen to know many Orthodox families who do not accept welfare, much less cheat on it, beat their wives, or otherwise oppress their women and who are very decent ethical people who wouldn't dream of rioting or justifying rioting. I also know a whole lot of Conservative and Reform Jews who are deeply religious in addition to being completely ethical people who are very tolerant of Othodoxy and bend over backwards to accomodate them. I take each person as they come, each community as they come and judge them, if neccessary, based on their past behaviour and my personal experiences with them. In general, secular Jews are far more intolerant of my religious observances than nonJews or the Orthodox, who may not understand why I won't eat pork when I will turn a light off and on on the Sabbath but accepot whatever mitzvah they can get, but that is a generality. There are exceptions.

I do not think that any action, behaviour, provocation, or other activity can justify responding with violence and rioting with the exception of a terrorist (or an army of them) coming to kill you. The gays with their silly parade do not represent any kind of physical danger to the Haredim so to react with violence to them is simply unacceptable. And I respect those leaders among the Haredim who have been saying just that. I respect them a lot more than I ever did because of this.

498 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:04:32pm

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499 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:04:47pm

bweep

Read this one

500 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:05:21pm
501 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:06:50pm

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502 threecoloursblue  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:08:47pm

344 M. Bensson-Levi
The British didn't have a Thin Red Line at Waterloo. They had a "thin Red Streak " at the Crimea. Quote courtesy of Russell of the Times, who both painted the battles, and reported on them.

434 Joel.
Just Google him, of get into the "SUN " archives.

503 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:09:06pm

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504 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:09:11pm

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505 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:09:35pm

#488 Wishbone
#481 sultan_knish

That's all very well, but what does history have to do with me or any other Brit for that matter? Does that mean I'm guilty by historical association to the nation I just happen to have been born in

Which is another very good point which is lost on lizards. They'll happily misqoute things from the 12th century as proof of how evil we are and ignore the fact that 12th century Europeans are as much their ancestors as they are ours. Except that we went through the Rennaisance and the Enlightenment, and they didn't. Their ancestors also wiped out the Red Indians and the Aztecs and Incas.

506 Judith  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:10:52pm

Thank you Sultan Knish-I was thinking the same thing.

507 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:12:04pm

Thanks for the link, Nanette

508 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:12:49pm
509 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:13:49pm

#505 bweep

That's a really anti-American statement! Seeing as it was the Spanish and the Brits who conquered America in the first place.

510 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:14:07pm

#504 sultan_knish
Perhaps you'd like to tell us where such an attack took place then.
Oh and I take it you consider the marine barracks in the Lebanon as a legitimate military target, and the USS Cole, and the Pentagon on 9/11? I mean Sheik Osama gave you fair warning about the World Trade centre in 1993 didn't he?...No ...It's a threat when it's made against you, but a warning when it's made by self appointed terrorists that you support. It's called Hypocrisy.

511 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:14:55pm

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512 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:15:31pm
513 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:15:45pm

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514 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:16:07pm

BWEEP GO BACK TO YOUR BOYCOT OF ISRAEL THAT SEEMS UP TO YOUR STYLE.

515 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:16:28pm

Bye for now Ploome

516 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:18:50pm

#509 Nannette
The British were not involved in wars against the Indians. In fact, the British recruited Indians to fight the French. No, you have that one all to yourselves. So, if it's anti American for me to mention it, why isn't it 'anti British' for you to rake up 12th century pogroms? Quite apart from anything else, medieval Europeans lived in an absolutist world where bad things were punishment by God. Take a look at some pictures of smallpox victims. If your entire family died like that, and you thought the minority group down the road had been performing witchcraft to bring it about, you'd have been at the head of the mob.

517 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:19:07pm

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518 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:20:36pm

frankly my ancestors were from scotland and did not come to America until just before ww1 and i have been in scotland and met my grandparents relitives.

my only question is which type of english anti semite is bweep the trotskite socialist worker or the national front but since he worries about indians who the spanish killed i would say he is some kind of leftist as the national front could careless about indians

519 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:22:34pm

lol the british were not involved with wars against indians ROFLMAO FUNNY

IT WAS THE ENGLISH COLONIES THAT THE FRENCH AND INDIAN WAR WAS WITH NOT AMERICA BECAUSE AMERICA DID NOT EVEN EXIST YET.

520 sultan_knish  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:23:46pm

re: #516 bweep

#509 Nannette

The British were not involved in wars against the Indians. In fact, the British recruited Indians to fight the French. No, you have that one all to yourselves.

Bweep, I think you ought to leave American and Israeli history alone, maybe stick to whatever it is you actually know.

The French and British both recruited Indians as allies. The British armed certain Indian tribes which then went on to dominate and kill the others. How do you think so many tribes were wiped out in the first place?

European powers sold firearms to some which enabled those like the Iroquois to stage their own massacres.

So, if it's anti American for me to mention it, why isn't it 'anti British' for you to rake up 12th century pogroms? Quite apart from anything else, medieval Europeans lived in an absolutist world where bad things were punishment by God. Take a look at some pictures of smallpox victims. If your entire family died like that, and you thought the minority group down the road had been performing witchcraft to bring it about, you'd have been at the head of the mob.

Well that justifies things nicely. I happen to believe my neighbor's evil eye made my cattle sick. I'll just toddle off and burn his home and family to the ground.

In fact pogroms were not the products of random fear, they were directed, often by nobles or clergy who wanted to distract attention from popular dissatisfaction or seize some stolen property for themselves. Essentially much like the arab dictators today.

521 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:24:16pm

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522 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:26:09pm

#513 sultan_knish
You're assuming that I know where you are. There are mexicans in here who will happily pillory the British over the Falklands from the 'spanish' continent of South America. But it does raise the question as to why you don't condemn them as happily as you attack the British.

523 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:28:33pm

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524 EE  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:33:50pm

In the eyes of some jihadists, Islam's third wave of attack on Christianity and Europe has already begun.
[Link: www.digitalnpq.org...]

525 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:41:16pm

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526 EE  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:42:55pm

re #524


03-26-2007

FOR FANATICAL MUSLIMS, MIGRATION IS PART OF 'THIRD WAVE' ATTACK ON EUROPE

This essay is excerpted from remarks by Princeton historian Bernard Lewis, who was awarded the Irving Kristol Award at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington last week. His most recent books include "What Went Wrong?: The Clash Between Islam and Modernity in the Middle East" (2002); "The Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror" (2003); and "From Babel to Dragomans: Interpreting the Middle East" (2004).

By Bernard Lewis

WASHINGTON — In the eyes of a fanatical and resolute minority of Muslims, the third wave of attack on Christendom and Europe has clearly begun.

The first wave dates from the very beginning of Islam, when the new faith spilled out of the Arabian Peninsula, where it was born, into the Middle East and beyond. It was then that Muslims conquered Syria, Palestine, Egypt and North Africa — all at that time part of the Christian world — and went beyond into Europe. There, they conquered a sizable part of southwestern Europe, including Spain, Portugal and southern Italy, all of which became part of the Islamic world, and even crossed the Pyrenees and occupied for a while parts of France.

The second wave was conducted not by Arabs and Moors but by Turks and Tartars. In the mid-13th century, the Mongol conquerors of Russia were converted to Islam. The Turks, who had already conquered Anatolia, advanced into Europe and in 1453 they captured the ancient Christian citadel of Constantinople. They conquered a large part of the Balkans, and for a while ruled half of Hungary. Twice they reached as far as Vienna, to which they laid siege in 1529 and again in 1683. Barbary corsairs from North Africa went to Iceland — the uttermost limit — and to several places in Western Europe, including notably a raid on Baltimore (the original one, in Ireland) in 1631.

The third wave is taking a different form: terror and migration. The subject of terror has been discussed frequently and in great detail. What I want to address here is the other aspect, which is of more particular relevance to Europe today — the question of migration.

In earlier times, it was inconceivable that a Muslim would voluntarily move to a non-Muslim country. Muslim jurists have discussed at great length in the textbooks and manuals of shari`a whether it permissible for a Muslim to live in or even visit a non-Muslim country — and what he must do if he finds himself in a non-Muslim country.

527 soccerdad  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:48:14pm

what is with the Daily Mail readers? This article made incredible sense, and every last one of the 74 comments was positive. NOT ONE disagreed with him. Is the DM a conservative rag? Nice to know...can't keep the Brit tabloids straight.

528 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:49:32pm

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529 siiras  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:49:56pm

This thread veered from its title off into a lot of infighting by and about Jews, which perhaps deserves its own forum.

Critical to the well-being of ALL non-Muslims in Britain and by extension the West is the kid glove treatment that Western leaders are extending one religion and one religion only, not the founding religion of their own countries, Christianity, but Christianity's sworn enemy for thirteen centuries since its inception. This dhimmi behavior of the elites has got to stop. The mere plebians who have retained their common sense have to revolt (in civilized non-violent ways of course).

The recent successful citizens' clamor against the bipartisan shamnesty bill in the States would make a good role model, if Brits weren't infected with a virulent strain of anti-Americanism thanks to their forced dose of the BBC etc.

Stencil this message on the foreheads of all British and other dhimmi western politicoes:

If Islam really were a religion of peace and most Muslims really were moderate, then the killings by Muslims could be stopped overnight by all mosque congregations and their imams 1) denouncing the terrorists who claim to be acting in Islam's name and 2)informing the would-be mass murderers that they will not be going to Muslim heaven with limitless sex for trying to harm non-Muslim citizens in countries who have treated them better than they are treated in any Muslim country. What about cutting off their funding? What about a fatwah on these supposed desecraters of Islam?

OK. That's a bit long for forehead stencilling so how about each politician having to write out longhand five times a day:

"Until Muslim 'moderates' systematically denounce and attempt to control their extremists, there are no moderates to offend", just enablers".

Personally, belief in the tooth fairy and Santa is more rational than belief in moderate Muslims until the minarets blare five times a day "Anyone targeting innocents and generous host countries in Islam's name will be going to Muslim hell. Signed, your imam"

Until that time, western leaders have no business sucking up to these people.

530 Nannette  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:55:55pm

#529 siiras

Born of the Arab League's October, 1973 defeat in their Yom Kippur war against Israel and the related oil embargo, The Euro-Arab Dialogue has created an alphabet soup of European Community, and later European Union-funded organizations charged with planning joint political, cultural, social, industrial, commercial, and technical-scientific projects.

This entity first met officially at a ministerial level on July 31, 1974, in Paris, to discuss the Dialogue's organization. In attendance were the Secretary General of the Arab League, the Kuwaiti Foreign Minister, the President of the European Community Commission, and the President of the European Community. As Bat Ye'or observes,

In the course of the meetings that followed, the European foreign ministers of the Nine [i.e., the original European Community member states] laid the foundations for their cooperation with the Arab countries, through an institutionalized structure linked to the highest authorities in each European Community country. This...made it possible to harmonize the European Community policy of trade and cooperation with the Arab League countries.
The Dialogue rapidly spawned a European Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Cooperation whose members represented a broad spectrum of European Community political groups. Biannual Euro-Arab Parliamentary meetings convened alternately in Europe and the Arab nations. Roughly 100 European and Arab members of their respective Parliaments attended, along with observers from the European Community/European Union Commission, the Arab League, and other international organizations. During an initial meeting in Damascus, September 14-17, 1974, the Arab delegates established their political preconditions for economic agreements with Western Europe, specifically demanding:

• 1. Israel's unconditional withdrawal to the 1949 armistice lines
• 2. Arab sovereignty over the Old City of Jerusalem
• 3. Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) participation (lead by Yasser Arafat), in any negotiations
• 4. European Community pressure on the United States to detach it from Israel and bring its policies closer to those of the Arab states

531 EricOF  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:56:33pm

All of Europe is fast asleep. In this particular war, the true threat comes from WITHIN. Our enemy doesn't have strong armies or navies. They weaken us because we allow them to. Our own struggle with the recent attempted amnesty has clarified things for me as never before. The central issue is immigration. It is immigration policy that threatens us. It is immigration policy that has allowed the cancer in and given it opportunity to grow. It is through immigration policy that the West is committing suicide.

There are choices to be made here and make no mistake that the Western tradition itself hangs in the balance. Those choices aren't pleasant. You can't save the West by refusing to take necessary action because innocents may be effected. This is a very modern idea, that so long as some innocent suffers, no course of action is justified. War is a blunt instrument. You can not fight wars without involving the innocent, no matter how hard you try. I'm afraid we are slowly approaching a point whereby we will have one decision only: allow the West to be destroyed, or massively expel all of Islam from Western lands. Yes, I'm talking about mass expulsion all across Western lands. Millions of people, many of them good people, must leave. All attempts at containment that differentiates between "good" Muslims and bad ones are destined to fail to produce an acceptable peace between the violent, aggressive strain of Islam and the nations they so covet. There is ONLY one way to end the cycle and that is to rid ourselves of ALL of them. Ban Islam and refuse entry to any with any connection to this vile sect. De-naturalize those already here and expel them forcibly. It's either that or watch the West die from within. This seems downright medieval to our modern "sophisticated" way of thought but when survival itself is at stake, the world invariably becomes a very medieval place.

532 EE  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 5:56:45pm

Read the rest of the article linked in #524, by Bernard Lewis. To a resolute and fanatical minority of Muslims, Islam is already in the third wave of attack on Christianity and Europe.

But it seems that there are leaders who are unable to connect the dots, and who are unable to see what is going on.

Can it be that to Britain's new Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, there is no third wave at all, it is just a series of unfortunate criminal incidents?

Can it be that to the Beeb and to much of the media in the UK, and to the leadership of the unions in the UK (including the journalists' union and the academics' union and all the rest of the unions in the UK), and to the leadership of the Anglican Church of all things, there is no notice whatsoever of the third wave of Islam to conquer Christianity and Europe, and the remedy for all things as far as they can see is to demonize Israel and to boycott Israel and to divest from Israel, and to make it difficult for Israel to defend itself?

Maybe these folks need to stand back and look at history (and read the article by Bernard Lewis) and take a look at what the Islamists and jihadists are saying, and doing, and try to connect the dots and figure out what is going on. Maybe there is some hope that they will be able to see the third wave that they are engulfed in and that will be sweeping over Europe.

533 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 6:00:42pm

#519 yochanan

IT WAS THE ENGLISH COLONIES THAT THE FRENCH AND INDIAN WAR WAS WITH NOT AMERICA BECAUSE AMERICA DID NOT EVEN EXIST YET.

Wishbone. I rest my case. General Custer apparently pre dates George Washington. See, you don't need to bother with yochanan again.

#520 sultan_knish

In fact pogroms were not the products of random fear,

Lol...yeah right, there you go, the lgf way. Project sophistcated evil political ideologies and plots onto people who lived to 35 were covered in fleas, lived in serfdom and couldn't read or write.

Bweep, 'terrorists' who warn you beforehand that a facility is about to be bombed and then tell you to evacuate it, are only to be wished for.
If we were dealing with terrorists so considerate today, life would be a whole lot easier.

So if somebody stoves Zombie's head in with a pipe for not taking down that Mohammed web site, you'll accept that he/she had it coming will you? You'll accept that American troops in Iraq are fair game. I mean Al Sadr has warned you to get out of Iraq.

#508 ploome hineni

the Brits were helping the arabs KILL JEWS

Wrong again. The British who had a UN mandate to police the area were hunting terrorists gangs trying to impose a totalitarian political view on a majority community (both Arab and Jew). Here's the UN list A Summary of Zionist Terrorism in the Near East — 1944-1948. The Irgun cynically used the plight of European Jews after WWII to further their cause. If the British had no right to go after the Irgun, the the Americans have no right to go after the Mehdi Army, or Al Qaeda in Iraq. If it was alright for the Irgun to murder Lord Moyne, then it was ok for Al qaeda to kill the American ambassador to Syria...Do you see how this works?

534 EricOF  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 6:07:01pm

"Wishbone. I rest my case. General Custer apparently pre dates George Washington. See, you don't need to bother with yochanan again."

Custer fought in the French and Indian war 100 years before his birth?

535 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 6:14:38pm

The French and Indian War was the nine-year North American chapter of the Seven Years War. The conflict, the fourth such colonial war between the kingdoms of France and Great Britain, resulted in the British conquest of all of New France east of the Mississippi River, as well as Spanish Florida. The outcome was one of the most significant developments in the persistent Anglo-French Second Hundred Years' War. To compensate its ally, Spain, for its loss of Florida, France ceded its control of French Louisiana west of the Mississippi. France's colonial presence north of the Caribbean was reduced to the tiny islands of Saint Pierre and Miquelon.

more than 125 years before general custer which i did not mentio n at all. duh

536 yochanan  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 6:16:32pm

LGF is a pro Zionist Blog
gay aveck mit di chumach BWEEP

your anti semitism and anti americanism is very unwelcome.

537 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 6:23:59pm

#534 EricOF
#535 yochanan
Oh I see, you're alleging that it was the British who killed all the Red Indians and General Custer was just rounding up a few stragglers are you? Another thing you are going to delude yourself that the British are responsible for. Go and see a shrink.

Indian Wars is the name generally used in the United States to describe a series of conflicts between the federal government and American Indians.


DUH

538 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 6:30:36pm

#536 yochanan

LGF is a pro Zionist Blog

Where does it say that? Charles Johnson deludes himself that it is an anti terrorism blog doesn't he? Well that includes the Irgun.

your anti semitism and anti americanism is very unwelcome

Your anti British bullshit is unwelcome. I don't owe you any explanations, but you'll find no antisemitic remarks from me anywhere here. You'll find no anti American comments either. You're trotting out mostly lies about your own and my history and I've corrected you. If you're all going to sit here frothing about how someone else is to blame for everything, then you're no better than the flag burners you purport to despise.

539 bweep  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 6:40:25pm

#534 EricOF

Custer fought in the French and Indian war 100 years before his birth?

It was Yochanan who brought up the French and Indian War when he tried to sidestep the issue of your ancestors attempts at genocide. A fact that you willfully ignored and stepped over in the same way that Arab 'academics' do when dealing with subjects that come up here...Next time they do it, and Charles Johnson makes a thread about it, I don't expect to see any smart ass comments from you.

540 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 7:18:42pm
541 EricOF  Tue, Jul 3, 2007 11:18:12pm

"It was Yochanan who brought up the French and Indian War when he tried to sidestep the issue of your ancestors attempts at genocide."

The idea that the British did not lay the political groundwork for the United States relations with native-Americans is rather comical. I believe the French and Indian war contest land previously occupied by natives, no? Remember, it is only you who have attempted to claim that some bright line can be drawn between the British through it's colonies and the eventual United States with regard to treatment of native-Americans. I can't imagine what could motivate such an ahistorical view except some dread guilt you might feel otherwise?

If genocide means possessing a greater immunity to, or more sophisticated preventative measures against disease than native-Americans, so be it. That is in the end the primary cause of their decline. Not warfare but smallpox, influenza, typhus and cholera. Personally I'm not interested in spending a second worrying about it and neither should Europeans.

542 Call me Infidel  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 1:33:02am

re: #367 M. Bensson-Levi

You should have heard the Army song that appeared shortly after the incident. To the tune of "What shall we do with a drunken sailor" It belittles the idiot that blubbed when they took away his Ipod etc.
The British Army were disgusted at the whole Iran affair and I was surprised by the reaction of the Marines, but if the senior person in command was a sailor they probably had to act that way. BTW I used to work for two chaps who where were ex US Airborne. One in the 82nd, the other in the 101st. Both tough as old boots and bloody good lads.

543 Nannette  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 2:13:45am

re: #533 bweep

the Brits were helping the arabs KILL JEWS
bweep, please learn the history of the region. The British army were following orders in the 1920's and 20's when they helped the Arabs kill the Jews. One of the British comanders is responsible for stoking up the Arab antisemitism which eventually led to the Hebron Massacre in 1929.

And as for modern day terrorism, who encouraged and helped finance it?

544 yochanan  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 3:51:34am

The White Paper of 1939, also known as the MacDonald White Paper (after Malcolm MacDonald, the British Colonial Secretary who presided over it), was an internal policy paper issued by the British government under Neville Chamberlain, in which Britain unilaterally abandoned the Mandate's stated goals of establishing a Jewish homeland in the League-provided British administration in Palestine, in favour of an independent binational state in the Palestinian region governed jointly by Arabs and Jews.[1]

The 1939 White Paper was rejected as inconsistent with the Mandate by the supervising authority of the League of Nations, the Permanent Mandates Commission, which had to approve every change to British policy in its Mandate.

Effects
The dual policy of restricted Jewish immigration and unlimited Arab immigration greatly limited the ability of Jews to flee persecution from Europe on eve of the Holocaust and culminated in several incidents. (See:Struma (ship), Patria disaster, and Exodus (ship). After the Second World War it led the British Government to detain large numbers of Jews in British camps on Cyprus
Exodus 1947 was a ship carrying Jewish emigrants, that left France on July 11, 1947 with the intent of taking its passengers to Palestine, then controlled by the British. Most of the emigrants were Holocaust survivor refugees, who had no legal immigration certificates to Palestine. Following wide media coverage, the British Royal Navy seized the ship, and deported all its passengers back to Europe.

then an honest look at America and the holocoust is not so lilly white eather
The St. Louis sailed out of Hamburg into the Atlantic Ocean in May 1939 carrying 963 Jewish refugees seeking asylum from Nazi persecution just before World War II.

The ship arrived in Cuba seeking asylum. The boat was kept waiting offshore while the Cuban government disagreed on how much they could charge the passengers to come ashore. A small boat armada formed to keep people from jumping off and swimming ashore, and searchlights guarded it at night. The ship was then refused asylum, prompting a near mutiny. Two people attempted suicide and dozens more threatened to do the same.

On 4 June 1939, the St. Louis was also refused permission to unload on orders of President Roosevelt as the ship waited in the Caribbean Sea between Florida and Cuba. Initially, Roosevelt showed limited willingness to take in some of those on board, but vehement opposition came from Roosevelt's Secretary of State, Cordell Hull, and from Southern Democrats — some of whom went so far as to threaten to withhold their support of Roosevelt in the 1940 Presidential election if this occurred.

The St. Louis then tried to enter Canada but was denied as well.

The ship eventually sailed back to Hamburg, Germany, whereupon various European nations each agreed to admit a small number of its passengers. The majority of these travelers perished in the Holocaust as most of the host countries eventually fell to Nazi occupation during the war, which started only a few weeks after the ship's return.

Julian Barnes's novel A History of the World in 10½ Chapters recounts the trial of the St. Louis Jews in the chapter entitled Three Simple Stories.

bweep is just a bigot and a troll in here to create trouble.

545 yochanan  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 4:06:10am

CONFRONTATION IN PALESTINE


As Britain prepared to withdraw her forces in May 1948, and as the
Jewish community in Palestine braced itself for the inevitable Arab
onslaught, there emerged a factor that was to influence Israel’s
military considerations throughout the initial part of the War of
Independence. The leadership of the British armed forces had expressed
itself in unequivocably hostile terms about the struggle of the Jewish
population. They controlled the country’s major arteries and
strongpoints; their ships patrolled the eastern Mediterranean and the
coast; and the Royal Air Force controlled the skies above Palestine.
Furthermore, their forces included two Arab elements, namely the Arab
Legion and the Transjordan Frontier Force. Both these units were to
play no small part in favour of the Arab forces during the ensuing
hostilities.
It is well to recall that, when one talks about brigades and military
units, one is not depicting a normal military line-up. The entire
Haganah operation was an underground one, and its military organization
and deployment had to be carried out under the vigilant eyes of British
troops and police in the full knowledge that the possession of weapons
was a crime punishable by death. Moreover, British soldiers carried out
raids on Jewish villages and towns from time to time, revealing secret
storage dumps of weapons. Ingenious, devious means of transporting and
storing weapons were an essential facet of Haganah skills. The Arabs
did not suffer from this disability, because they were less in
confrontation with the British forces and often moved around freely in
the areas under their control openly armed. In this respect, they
benefited considerably from the active support of the units of the Arab
Legion, which were part of the British forces. A modest domestic war
industry was created in which small-arms such as Sten guns and hand
grenades were manufactured, but the disadvantage with which the Jewish
forces set out to do battle is emphasized by the fact that the total
armament at the Haganah’s disposal in 1947 consisted of 900 rifles, 700
light machine-guns and 200 medium machine-guns with sufficient
ammunition for only three days’ fighting–even the standing force, the
Palmach, could only arm two out of every three of its active members.
At this stage, heavy machine-guns, anti-tank guns and artillery were
but a dream: not one existed in the Jewish forces.

546 yochanan  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 4:20:01am

the french and indian war was directly part of the war between france and england as both quebec and the english colonies were owned by there respective gov't. The lasting effects of the use of indian allies in this war greatly added to the later indian wars when france was no longer in north america except for a few small islands near newfoundland. And canada was still controlled by the english crown.

The first contact with the Europeans was disastrous for the first peoples. Explorers and traders brought European diseases, such as smallpox, which killed off entire villages. Relations varied between the settlers and the Natives. The French befriended several Algonquin nations, including the Huron peoples and nations of the Wabanaki Confederacy, and entered into a mutually beneficial trading relationship with them. The Iroquois, however, became dedicated opponents of the French and warfare between the two was unrelenting, especially as the British armed the Iroquois in an effort to weaken the French

canadian history is not always peaceful eather for example;
The Red River Rebellion or "Red River Resistance" are the names given to the events surrounding the actions of a provisional government established by Métis leader Louis Riel in 1869 at the Red River Settlement in what is now the Canadian province of Manitoba.

The Rebellion was the first crisis the new government faced following Canadian Confederation in 1867. The Canadian government bought Rupert's Land from the Hudson's Bay Company in 1869 and appointed an English-speaking governor, William McDougall, who was opposed by the French-speaking inhabitants of the settlement. McDougall sent out surveyors before the land was officially transferred to Canada and had them arrange the land according to the square township system used in Ontario. The Métis, led by Riel, prevented McDougall from entering the territory. After McDougall declared that the Hudson's Bay Company was no longer in control of the territory and that Canada had asked for the transfer of sovereignty to be postponed, the Métis created a provisional government. Riel undertook to negotiate directly with the Canadian government to establish Assiniboia as a province.

Meanwhile, Riel's men had arrested members of a pro-Canadian faction that had resisted the provisional government, including an Orangeman named Thomas Scott. Scott was put on trial and executed by firing squad for offences usually considered non-capital. Canada and the provisional government soon negotiated an agreement. In 1870, the Manitoba Act was passed, allowing the Red River settlement to enter Confederation as the province of Manitoba. The Act also incorporated some of Riel's demands, such as separate French schools for Métis children and protection of Catholicism.

After the agreement was settled, Canada sent a military expedition, now known as the Wolseley Expedition (or Red River Expedition), consisting of Canadian Militia and British regular soldiers led by Colonel Garnet Wolseley to Manitoba to enforce federal authority. As the expedition headed west, outrage grew in Ontario over Scott's execution, and many Ontarians demanded that Wolseley's expedition be used to arrest Riel and suppress what they considered to be rebellion. Although Riel fled before the expedition reached Fort Garry, the arrival of the expedition marked the end of the Rebellion.

even today there are vestages of this as a group of 'first canadians' blocked the main line of the cn railway as a protest.

547 yochanan  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 4:21:22am

no guilt here

proud to be an American

548 Nannette  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 5:40:50am

re: #545 yochanan
Thank you for your posts. Hopefully they'll help educate a lot of people. You already started your day doing the mitzvot. :)

549 Wishbone  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 6:29:58am

#544 Yochanon

That 'Troll and Bigot' label is awfully convenient when someone challenges your view, isn't it?

550 Ledger1  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 7:08:22am

re: #45 doppelganglander

#31 Just_A_Grunt: You're probably right... I wouldn't give either one of them a sip of water if they had heat stroke on my front porch.

Yes, he has information which must be extracted soon. I say interrogate him and get the information now.

The notion he is on a ventilator is probably wrong. Even if he on a ventilator, take him off of it and interrogate him.

551 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 7:33:37am
552 yochanan  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 7:51:26am

Wishbone
i wasn't talking about you

this American does not feel guilty LEFTIST AMERICA IS GUILTY CRAP DOES NOT FLY WITH ME.

and the anti Zionism of the left is just plain old anti semitism and if the troll does not like it and decides to call me mental ill he is the one who started the personal attacks.

there is plenty of anti semitism on the left as well as the right and in my opinion the personal attacks were just a cover for it SORRY YOU FELL FOR IT.

MY GRAND PARENTS WERE BORN IN THE U.K. so i don't hate the u.k. per say but it does not mean i have to ignore history. Every euro country today has major problems with anti semitism coming from three major sources traditional neo fascist anti semitism, the anti Zionism of the left including trotskits in France who at a recent demo were shouting 'death to the YAHOOD, and arab anti semitism.

the only question i have is which version of it is BWEEB? the problem i have trying to figure out which version he is because at first glace he seems like the NATIONAL FRONT, but they could not gave a hoot about the indians but his nationalism sort of would not be all that popular with the trots and other leftists?

553 yochanan  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 7:59:26am

re: #551 ploome hineni

the euro's playing the america is guilty just does not do it for me frankly a euro criting a jew about bigtry is beyond funny. Esp one who seems to be an anti semite.

the brits, french, ports, and spanish all butchered indians long before
America as a country existed. Some of the animosity directed at the indians by Americans was caused by some of the butchery of the indians the french used in there war against the english colonies.

I was in santa fe n.m. a few years ago and saw an interesting indian painted mural painted on very old leather of one group of indians and there french allies fighting with another group of indians and there spanish allies. There was one case of a indian nation picking the looser twice in our white mans wars. First the picked the brits over the coloniests and than the picked the confederates over the union the result they ended up in a crapy reservation in ok.

554 Cry of defiance and not of fear  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 8:05:50am

#551 ploome hineni:

No, we're not refighting the French and Indian Wars: we colonists refused to pay for them, remember? The Old Mother Country was rather peeved at all the bills run up over that fracas (even though it all started over on their side of the pond on the Continent) and, when the Colonists complained about their share of costs, Great Britain slapped on a few more taxes, like the Stamp Tax and July 4 is as good a day as any to recall what THAT led to and be eternally grateful!

555 Wishbone  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 9:00:58am

#552 Yochanon

this American does not feel guilty LEFTIST AMERICA IS GUILTY CRAP DOES NOT FLY WITH ME.

Just as the 'leftist British are guilty crap' doesn't fly with me mate. You say you won't ignore history and that's admirable. You also say you carry no guilt and express your pride to be American which, again, is admirable.

Yet to some that is a double standard. Do you think I should carry guilt for my predecessors for whatever their actions in the past? Some may believe so, but they should just keep it to themselves because I sincerely couldn't give a toss what they believe and they can take their guilt and stick it where it hurts the most. Insofar as proof of guilt is concerned, I couldn't give a toss which historical record gets thrown at me. They could be factual, they could be skewed, it doesn't matter: It's history and I don't (and won't) carry the can for it.

The double standard arises where people who complain and whine about the British wallowing in post-imperial guilt seem to believe that we should indeed be doing so, but only on matters personal to their particular beliefs. In other words, 'don't feel guilty, except about this because it personally pisses me off.' Which of course, in local parlance, is 'bollocks.'

Also, please don't apologise for my having fell for anything seeing that it's not required for one, and I didn't fall for anything at all; that's just your assumption based on your obvious dislike for Bweep.

You may have read my reply and arrived at that conclusion, but the question remains valid in light of my own experience, which usually starts with Ploome telling me how much of a Jew-hating, anti-Semitic, holocaust-enabling, vile, British scumbag I am. Usually for challenging the view that, being British, I must inevitably be a Jew-hating, anti-Semitic, holocaust-enabling, vile, British scumbag.

And this makes me a bigot?

556 yochanan  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 11:43:44am

I don't have it in for all Englishmen any more than i like all Americans. although as my ancestors were scots i think you guys speak a funny lang. one which you forced upon us against our will. a little late for that bias though.

Now i would call BWEEP a bigot if that bothers anyone i couldcareless. But that has nothing to do with what ever country he may be from as on lone you can be from any place or even no place I do not intend to be lead by the troll anywere other than to judge that one troll and no one else.

557 Wishbone  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 12:00:10pm

#556 Yochanan

Fair comment, although to be fair I should mention that in my last post I was speaking more to those who would judge me thus and I should have made that clearer.

558 yochanan  Wed, Jul 4, 2007 12:19:19pm

OFFEN we only talk about what we disagree about or find wrong but we fail to talk about the good things maybe because we take them for granted i don't know.

an example of the good.
[Link: www.anglicansforisrael.com...]

I should make it rather clear who and what i am talking about blanked statements do no good.

it should be noted that most of the English speaking world was fighting the Nazi's long before America was.

559 democast  Mon, Jul 9, 2007 2:41:39pm

Forum about Littlejohn's Channel 4 Docu, "The War on Britain's Jews"


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