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Emerson: The White House, CAIR and the OIC

Thu, Jul 5, 2007 at 4:20:05 pm PDT

This is not unexpected, but still horrible news; another entry in the “What the Hell is Wrong with the Bush Administration?” series. Steve Emerson (who has better connections with law enforcement and officials than you or I) is appalled at suggestions that a US envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (a terrible idea in itself) should be approved by CAIR: The White House, CAIR and the OIC.

The White House has admitted to a senior government official that it did not vet the audience members in attendance at President Bush’s speech last week at the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C., despite having been warned of the potential presence of individuals who might have triggered national security concerns.

An informed source has told me that the White House was completely unaware that a Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) representative would be present at President Bush’s speech last week for the rededication ceremony of the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C., and, in fact, had no idea who the mosque leaders had invited to the event, basically surrendering the vetting process to the Islamic Center, a Saudi-funded institution with a documented history (pdf) of extremism and anti-Semitism.

Further, the source told me, “We desperately need to know what radical Islamists are doing in this country” and he was “shocked and surprised to learn that the White House would not take greater care of who was vetted to this event,“ adding, ”this was not your typical Rotary Club invitation.” The source told me that a White House official said that it does not vet all attendees at events to which the President is invited to speak, and the Islamic Center ceremony was no exception. Additionally, the White House was warned by a senior government official that it was making a huge national security error in not vetting those in attendance at the mosque. A White House liaison has told me in the past that CAIR has been barred from attending White House events on national security grounds.

And on cue, CAIR is playing up spokesman Ibrahim Hooper’s attendance at the speech and taking full advantage of its presence to insinuate itself into the President’s agenda.

On the heels of President Bush’s strange announcement at the mosque that he would appoint a “special envoy” to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), a body with a very disturbing track record (see my article published in the National Review Online, Radical Outreach: Bush coddles American apologists for radical Islam), CAIR has started lobbying for the job.

On a trip to Saudi Arabia to meet with OIC Secretary General Ekmeleddin Ishanoglu to “discuss future CAIR-OIC projects,” CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad made his feelings on the American-OIC envoy known, telling the Saudi-based Arab News, “[w]e hope that the selection of the individual would also be representative of the Muslim community and its views,” meaning that to avoid an Awad-engineered outcry and pressure campaign, the envoy must be “CAIR-approved.”

Here’s the article at the Saudi family’s English mouthpiece, ArabNews, lauding the cooperation between the Council on American Islamic Relations and the Organization of the Islamic Conference: Awad, Ihsanoglu Discuss Future CAIR-OIC Projects.

I am experiencing mild nausea.

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:20:43pm
2 treesarie  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:24:14pm

# 1
Bush is sharing recreational drugs with Gore the third.

3 yochanan  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:24:37pm

[Link: www.aish.com...]

lets hope the arabs include polio and other jewish inventions on there boycott.

4 Beagle  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:25:34pm

The Bush's being lotion boys for Saudi sleazebags can't help.

5 yochanan  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:25:37pm

re: #2 treesarie

i did not know a preis could go 100 mph

6 akak  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:25:37pm

bushbot off/

7 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:26:15pm
8 stevieray  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:27:32pm

The Bush administration is still trying to tame the untameable.

You won't win a contest of wills with a "divinely inspired" nutjob.

9 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:27:35pm
basically surrendering the vetting process to the Islamic Center

What could possibly happen?

/slasher film teenager

10 akak  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:28:01pm
The Muslims, of all people, are those who are most dangerous to the Sovereignty of our nation and the White House chose not to vet those in attendance? This is PC gone over to the dark side after going off a cliff.

Gordon Brown disease?

11 Atman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:28:29pm

re: #1 Song_and_Dance_Man
Simple...Bush is in bed with the Saudis...

12 chee toe  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:29:23pm

Is the President getting secret instructions from Ron Paul?

13 therewaslight  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:29:57pm
14 nemo  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:30:49pm

Big oil and big oil profits trump world security, again.

15 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:30:49pm
16 Carolina Girl  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:32:06pm
another entry in the “What the Hell is Wrong with the Bush Administration?” series.

I can hear the Time/Life operator now:

"Did you wish to start your series with the volume on "Flagrant Government Spending" or "Crappy Immigration Policies?"

17 David E  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:32:25pm

MILD nausea?

18 Teacake!  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:32:46pm

What does vet mean?

19 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:33:16pm
20 adilo  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:33:42pm

As bad as this is, the OIC is still relatively unknown while the public is catching on to the CAIR agenda.
Anything CAIR touches is instantly drawn into suspicion.
This may have unintended benefits, especially if CAIR gets hard behind this.

21 goddessoftheclassroom  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:34:14pm

re: #18 Teacake!

"vet" means to check out the credentials of.

22 SlartyBartfast  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:34:16pm

Long ago, I came to the conclusion that GWB was hoping to ride the gravy train for 4 or 8 years and just wasn't up to the challenge that History presented him...

Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar.
You're gonna go far, fly high,
You're never gonna die,
you're gonna make it if you try; they're gonna love you.

And did we tell you the name of the game, boy?
We call it Riding the Gravy Train.

Unfortunately, any disapproval of the Bush administration is portrayed (by the Left, including the MSM) as disapproval of the War in Iraq.

Ugh! Things like this make me ill...

/oh, and please forgive me, Mr. Waters.

23 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:34:34pm
The source told me that a White House official said that it does not vet all attendees at events to which the President is invited to speak,

True. I've been to hear the President and no one knew I was coming beforehand.

24 Teacake!  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:34:44pm

thank you goddess

25 LSD  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:34:52pm

#19

I don't see what major damage occurred by having one or more of their pod people in attendance.

You may need to get out of the parents basement ...

26 June_July  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:35:12pm

President Bush unfortunately can't get past his prior Saudi connections. He's not known for his cognitive flexibility. Sometimes that's good - firmness under duress is an asset. Sometimes it's bad. Like now.

Well, here's hoping President Giuliani won't have that problem.

27 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:35:15pm

I'm not too worried. By the time all this gets set up and running President Rudy will pull the plug. No problemo.

28 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:35:21pm
29 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:35:28pm

I feel like I am on an alternate planet, and that the real President Bush has been kidnapped, and then I realize this is the real President Bush...I think.

Will the real George W. Bush please stand up?

30 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:36:46pm
31 treesarie  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:37:16pm

# 29

I really believe that Bush sees the good in all people. That can be a curse.

32 Teacake!  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:37:30pm

I'm just now recalling what gave my spine the worst chills ever and that was the day after or the night of 9-11 when Bush was giving some talk while surrounded by a circle of arab bigwigs... thats when I knew islam had him by the balls.

33 chee toe  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:37:53pm

I remember feeling relieved that real adults instead of Goracle and/or Kerry would be handling things in the real world. I keep telling myself over and over, that it could have been worse. . getting harder to keep the mantra going...must...finish...meat...

34 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:38:28pm

re: #14 nemo

Meaning ?

35 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:38:54pm
36 akak  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:39:41pm
Belarusian leader promises weapons cooperation with Iran
37 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:39:45pm

re: #11 Atman

Sadly, you are very right. Add Condi and State into the brew? May G-d help us.

38 Teacake!  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:39:53pm
I'm not too worried. By the time all this gets set up and running President Rudy will pull the plug. No problemo.


That is unless someone from State takes him aside after inauguration and tells him what he can and can't do.

39 yochanan  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:40:10pm

the longer you are inside the belt way the smaller your 'batzium' become.

at some point you just don't have any anymore.

40 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:40:20pm
41 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:40:55pm

re: #32 Teacake!

Well, that explains Afghanistan and Iraq, then.

42 Treesarie  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:41:20pm

# 35

Some Saudi prince wanted to give NYC 10 million post 9/11. He then qualified it with, it is the pro-Israeli stance that caused 9/11. Rudy told him to shove it.

43 chee toe  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:41:23pm

re: #31 treesarie

# 29
I really believe that Bush sees the good in all people. That can be a curse.

This is a weakness our enemy gleefully exploits. I include the immigrant invasion here. The laughter and real disdain expressed on the street for the dumb, fat gringos doesn't penetrate to the beltway.

44 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:42:08pm
45 LSD  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:42:38pm

#30

It's a serious question.


Why not have Bush appear with the KKK?, Or The Neo-nazi movement? Why not have him just appear with on stage with Hamas or Al Qaeda? What the hell?

46 akak  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:43:09pm

buzzsawmonkey

CAIR is simply slightly more openly in bed with the jihadis than most of the other attendees.

oh my

47 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:43:16pm

re: #38 Teacake!

State Dept reports to the Executive, not the other way around.

48 SerenityFL  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:43:19pm

This ticks me off. If they can't even check those who will be around when the President is around...the PRESIDENT, then how can they possibly convince me that they are keeping our country safe and that I, a mere citizen, am being looked out for?

/leadership is asleep at the wheel

49 Odinist  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:43:43pm

re: #40 buzzsawmonkey

Just to clarify, the fact of CAIR's attendance at the speech is not particularly troubling; CAIR is simply slightly more openly in bed with the jihadis than most of the other attendees.Now, the idea that CAIR should have even the slightest say in who Bush's OIC envoy should be...that is troubling.

Agreed... What are they thinking?

50 LSD  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:44:30pm

CAIR and any CAIR rep has NO PLACE in America.
None.
They need to be be banned and shut down now.

51 Teacake!  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:44:47pm

41 - not really. You don't hear any of the arab leaders in a snit about that because it does help the other ME nations that our troops are dealing with the dregs and helping with the oil pipelines and such. A soldier I met on leave from Afghanistan told me they were there to make sure the business deals were protected... he didn't say it like that, I just can't recall how he said it.

52 Atman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:45:32pm

re: #37 NY Nana
You are right when you say "sadly". We've got young men and women killed and maimed and we've got a President that holds hands with Saudi scum...too much.

53 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:46:50pm
54 saywhat?  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:47:33pm

This comment was placed on another blog . . .wish I kept the link to give credit to author. . .but read this:

". . .urge everyone to check out the Charter of the OIC. Not only is membership limited to Muslim States (Article VIII), but all expenses will be shared by member states in proportion to their national incomes (Article VII). This will make "member USA" the largest financial supporter of the Conference. It gets worse: One of the four assistants to the Secretary General must come from Palestine (Article V) and the headquarters in Jeddah are only temporary until Jerusalem is liberated (Article VI). Perhaps a reader who understands Arabic can inform us if the word "struggle" used twice in the OIC's objectives is actually "jihad" in the Arabic."

55 akak  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:47:47pm
[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

threat inversion 101...send them money

56 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:47:52pm

So...how do we stop this?

57 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:48:09pm

will it ever be appropriate to profile moslems

58 missouri boy  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:48:40pm

re: #44 song_and_dance_man

CAIR, The Muslim Brotherhood, the House of Saud, Hamas, etc., etc., all have a common theme that cannot be ignored. Islam.

iSLam ? who knew?
/

59 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:48:49pm

BUSH & Co.: Yes they really is that stupid.

(got to give some props to the LLL for figuring this one out long before we did)

60 akak  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:49:39pm

saywhat?

condi's blog that frees the oppressed?

61 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:50:03pm

re: #51 Teacake!

You don't hear any Islamic objections to our presence in Iraq ? How many light years away from Earth are you located ?

62 Jon Carry  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:50:44pm

As the only person to vote twice for Bush 41 and twice for Bush 43 I think that George W has indeed remained clear of alcohol, for which I commend him.
He needs to lay off the LSD, though.

63 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:51:07pm

re: #54 saywhat?

Keep in mind that we aren't joining as a member of the OIC, we're just sending an envoy.

64 Odinist  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:51:16pm

#56 Resistance Girl

E-mail Bush and let him know how you feel...

But be polite, otherwise you'll probably be ignored...

65 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:51:59pm

re: #56 Resistance Girl

Vote for Rudy!
/OK, I'm becoming a shill.

66 daughter of patriots  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:52:14pm
The source told me that a White House official said that it does not vet all attendees at events to which the President is invited to speak, and any rebels attending Ford's Theater was no exception. Additionally, the White House was warned by a senior government official that it was making a huge national security error in not vetting those in attendance at the Theater.


It was announced in the yesterday's papers that the President with Gen Grant would be at Ford's Theater in the evening and a large crowd collected there in consequence. Gen Grant however left the city before night for N.Y. Mrs. Lincoln had not been well & the President went to the place of amusement with reluctance, not wishing to disappoint the audience. He was received with more than usual applause. About 9½ o'clock a shot was heard which was at first supposed to be from the stage and a man leaped from the President's box upon the stage crying, "Sic semper Tyrannis" "I have done it." and making his way to the door mounted a horse & rode off. The shrieks of Madame Lincoln first announced to the petrified audience the catastrophe which had taken place. The President was found to be in a state of insensibility, shot twice through the head. He was immediately conveyed to a house opposite the theatre followed by Mrs. L. escorted by her friends in an almost frantic condition.
67 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:52:19pm
68 Treesarie  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:52:20pm

re: #43 chee toe

Yes, we are just the nurses, carpenters, electricians, teachers, etc. etc. here to serve them. The thing about Clinton was that he was really just an ordinary person who became President. He had the ability to show the average "Joe" being President. To bad he was a malignant, narcissistic, revolting, human specimen. He had no
"center" to carry him past the love of physical pleasure and material things. I will always despise him for blowing that chance for the rest of us to be shown in a wonderful light.

69 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:52:49pm

re: #51 Teacake!

Ahh what.

70 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:53:07pm

Who wants to go to CAIR headquarters?

I can go alone but it will shame the hell out of the rest of you.

It'll be fun.

71 Atman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:53:20pm

re: #64 Odinist

#56 Resistance Girl
E-mail Bush and let him know how you feel...
But be polite, otherwise you'll probably be ignored...


/...or investigated...

72 Teacake!  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:53:22pm

Mike C I'm talking about the main leaders of arab nations for the most part you don't hear a peep. Iran or other radical nations not included. But the more modernized arab nations. The leaders not the people.

73 LSD  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:53:22pm

re: #53 song_and_dance_man

Unfortunately they operate within the laws that govern other groups like the ACLU, ACT UP, Move On and Al Gore III and his drug suppliers. The Judicial system can only go after them if they break the law.

Wrong. So wrong.
They have been caught REDHANDED several times soliciting money for Hamas through HLF. And for Al Qaeda through GRF. (Here's a little "light" reading on CAIRs direct terror support. The ACLU, MOVE-ON, and ACT UP, did not originate from Hamas members!
[Link: www.frontpagemagazine.com...]

74 akak  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:53:30pm
Killgore Trout 7/05/2007 4:51:07 pm PDT reply quote

re: #54 saywhat?

Keep in mind that we aren't joining as a member of the OIC, we're just sending an envoy.

oh ...feel much safer now

75 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:53:36pm

Well I guess I count down the days (as the Moonbats do) till Dubya is outta here... albeit for juxtaposed reasons.

I can't imagine Mitt, Rudy, or Fred doing this.

76 Teacake!  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:55:38pm

And quite possibly Iraq and Afghanistan are a favor to the saudies.

77 denverinfidel  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:55:51pm

This proves yet again that it doesn't matter what stripes the politician wears. ALL politicians have to be restrained in their power and time in office in order to limit the damage they will inevitably do. BushCo is living proof of that (who the hell is advising this guy - 3 blind mice?).

It's insulting enough to give a stage to goons like this, but then to have it used as propaganda is even worse (if that is possible).

78 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:56:50pm

Anyone want to go to the offices of jihad here in the US?

79 adilo  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:56:54pm

re: #56 Resistance Girl

So...how do we stop this?

Continue to pound the hell out of CAIR. They will eventually fold.
They do not even have the support of the people they claim to represent.

80 yochanan  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:57:21pm

HARTFORD, Connecticut (Reuters) - U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman, an independent who supports Democrats in Congress despite his backing of the Iraq war, said on Thursday he was not ruling out endorsing a Republican in the White House race.

The 2000 Democratic vice presidential candidate said he also wants to see if an independent enters the crowded field of 2008 presidential hopefuls.

"I'm going to chose whichever candidate that I think will do the best job for our country, regardless of the party affiliation of that candidate," the Connecticut senator told reporters in the state capital Hartford.

"I'm not going to get involved until after both parties have their presumptive nominees and, frankly, to see if there is a strong independent candidate," he said.

Lieberman was re-elected to a fourth Senate term in November as an independent in Connecticut after his support for the Iraq war cost him the backing of the Democratic Party. He continues to caucus with Democrats in the Senate.

Many Democrats last year abandoned Lieberman in favor of his Democratic rival, Ned Lamont, a millionaire and political outsider who ran on an anti-Iraq-war platform focused on public discontent over President George W. Bush's policies.

Lieberman, 65, described the 2008 presidential race as the most important election of his adult life.

"There's a lot on the line both in terms of the terrorist threat that we face but also all the things here at home that seem broken: our health-care system, our education system, the environmental problems we have," he said.

81 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:57:37pm
82 chee toe  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:58:34pm

re: #73 LSD

Exactly - why are they still being treated with kid gloves instead of exposed publicly and loudly as a fraud?

83 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:58:40pm
84 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 4:58:59pm

I didn't say I'd buy you a burkha either. :)

Who wants to go to headquarters?

85 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:00:10pm

Who wants to go to CAIR's offices?

86 Treesarie  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:00:48pm

re: #85 Resistance Girl

Is it in California?

87 DockScience  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:01:08pm

hmmm... is it possible that the left is correct and Bush really IS a moron?

88 perkypauly  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:01:44pm

Guess he is back to drinking and drugs---no sober person could be so irrational

89 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:01:44pm

re: #78 Resistance Girl


What side of the country are you on?

& you will want to bring a lot of people. [Link: www.anti-cair-net.org...]

90 grumpy old codger  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:01:53pm

Will the next step be the appointment of a "moslem" advisor to a cabinet position. You know, like the Secretary of Dhimmi Affairs or Secretary of More Than Equal Opportunity? Maybe we should judt go ahead and appoint a Sharia judge to the SCOTUS.

91 Atman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:02:02pm

re: #81 buzzsawmonkey

re: #78 Resistance Girl
Anyone want to go to the offices of jihad here in the US?

And do what? I'm not buying anyone a burkha at the gift shop.


Guys, I already have mine (I'm in the back row)...

92 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:02:48pm
93 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:03:08pm

re: #76 Teacake!

The Saudis lobbied desperately to have Saddam left in place.

94 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:04:11pm

re: #52 Atman

re: #37 NY Nana
You are right when you say "sadly". We've got young men and women killed and maimed and we've got a President that holds hands with Saudi scum...too much.

Atman,

I agree. He has gone so OTT that any good that he has done will be forgotten. I honestly do not recall seeing this side of GWB in his first 4 years. Sad. And the close friendship of his father with Bubba? Bizarre.

I have to wonder just what kind of father George Herbert Walker Bush was to his kids.

I have saved this article for 3 years, from al-Guardian, that claims that Bush #1's dad had connections to the *azis, but thought it was the usual crap from al-G...now? I am beginning to wonder.

95 elrushbuni  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:04:23pm

I think Bush and the primary colors in his administration are misunderstanding all they see, since they all appear to have their eyes closed. When are our leaders going to learn that most Muslims really DON'T think like us. Lying? No big deal. Killing? No big deal. Dying? Please, more, faster.

96 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:04:24pm
97 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:05:49pm

re: #91 Atman

Linky no worky... :=(

98 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:06:11pm
99 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:06:36pm

I'm a California girl and will fly out.

Who else is tired of reading and writng?

Who else is tired of this?

100 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:06:55pm

re: #96 buzzsawmonkey

You type too fast!

101 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:07:28pm

I might as well take The Kid back to the park. The children there exhibit better awareness of their surroundings than do some in the Bush Administration.

102 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:07:56pm
“[w]e hope that the selection of the individual would also be representative of the Muslim community and its views,”

I thought the purpose of the envoy was to learn from the oic, so what point would there be in appointing a muslim (unless cair would approve of a good little dhimmi)?

103 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:08:14pm

re: #99 Resistance Girl

Hey go CA! You cute?

104 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:08:29pm

75 Mr. Pancakes I can imagine Mitt "we need a new Marshall Plan for the Arab world" Romney doing the same thing.

Rudy and Fred!? Not so much, at least I hope.

Duncan Hunter? Not at all.

105 martelbrigade  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:08:32pm

I am aware a good number of radio hosts are away during this Holiday. However, all Lizards should make it a point to start calling in to the local and national shows posthaste. We westcoasters have the advantage at this time. It should also be said the message should be put over to some of the big boys like Rush and Hannity. Also, Laura Ingraham usually seems to be on the right page. Monday should be the day to let them know!

106 Excaliber  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:09:29pm

Bush , what an idiot , glad I never voted for Jr. OR Sr.


This is only one of a multitude of idiotic and assinine moves this man has made since taking office .

I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe Bush graduated from Harvard , I think , he bought his diploma outright .

The question NOW is , can we survive his remaining lame-duck term .

107 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:11:07pm

We scoff at the Brits. We scoff at the French. For being compliant dhimmis.

We have more information than anyone else in the free world.

CAIR operates in MY country. CAIR puts it's filth out in MY country.

If I (and you) don't stand against CAIR today, WE are to blame.

108 itellu3times  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:11:09pm

In my normal polyanna-ish mode, remember optimists and pessimists agree - this is the best of all possible worlds!

Yeah, Dubya persists in trying to co-opt scorpions, stones, and the rising tide into his kumbaya universe. This is only what the Democrats say they want to do, but of course they disapprove when Bush does it. Or maybe they approve, I dunno. Under the circumstances, it's brave of Bush, even if it is also foolhardy. You get the feeling he's entirely on autopilot now through the end of his term?

109 keelie  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:11:34pm

I'm becoming obsessed with the phrase, "Pansy Politics."

110 Atman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:11:44pm

Sorry folks mine works. Try this:
http://www.iflipflop.com/burqa_reuters.jpg

111 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:13:00pm
112 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:13:47pm

87 Dock Science Um, yes. It's entirely possible. I think it's more likely he is just an elitist country club Republican with a Texas accent, so people got fooled.

I'm certain James Baker is very smart, unfortunately.

113 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:13:59pm

Rudy's no friend of CAIR...
Muslims Criticize Mayor Giuliani for Rejection of Disaster Donation

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a Washington-based Islamic advocacy group, today criticized New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani for rejecting a $10 million World Trade Center attack disaster-relief check from a Saudi Arabian prince who said in a statement that America "should re-examine its policies in the Middle East and adopt a more balanced stance toward the Palestinian cause."
...
"It is unconscionable that Mayor Giuliani would sacrifice the interests of the victims of these horrific attacks in order to score points with the domestic lobby for a foreign government. The mayor's actions are in opposition to President Bush's repeated warnings not to turn the fight against terrorism into a war against Muslims or Arabs," said CAIR Board Chairman Omar Ahmad.

114 hiker  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:14:22pm

I have no real qualms about sending an envoy to OIC, as long as he is a good spy. However, if that envoy must meet CAIR's approval then he won't be a spy, but will be a jihadi whose allegiance is to the ummah and not to the United States.

115 martelbrigade  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:15:12pm

I support many of his efforts against terrorism but I am so glad I will not even have to wrestle with the George Bush choice when the time comes to vote in '08. When he's good he's good. When he's bad, he is damn near indistinguishable from everyone else regardless of party.

116 Atman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:15:15pm

re: #94 NY Nana
Google "Bush Nazis" for more citations...the sins of the father...

117 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:16:23pm
118 Odinist  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:16:26pm

re: #107 Resistance Girl
re: #112 funky chicken

87 Dock Science Um, yes. It's entirely possible. I think it's more likely he is just an elitist country club Republican with a Texas accent, so people got fooled.

I'm certain James Baker is very smart, unfortunately.

Intelligence and wisdom are not the same... Let's not slip into BDS mode over it...

119 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:17:07pm

Shirin Tahir-Kheli? Advisor to Condi. Lovely.

120 Millie Woods  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:17:17pm

Why does the name James Baker pop into one's head when reading of the Bush administration's kow tow to the irrational Islamics?

121 Atman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:17:25pm

re: #111 Song_and_Dance_Man
So solly...one little joke down the toilet...
/...and it was so me...

122 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:17:49pm

Ahhh...with each passing week I experience an obnoxious, increasing sense of vindication for calling out Bush et al regularly more than a year ago on LGF (for many of the reasons recently sighted by Charles), enduring the slings and arrows of my compatriots, farseeing today from yesterday. Bush is ruining the Republican party, doing nothing to maintain national sovereignty, part of a family closers to the Sauds than Hillary ever thought of being (I love Bush Sr. and Hil will grovel at the Wahabbists feet too), and discrediting American military might with each passing minute. Russia is again waging cold war, Qaddafi is slowly reverting back to his bullshit, Mugabe, Chavez, and Sadr and too many like them are openly mocking and challenging us, and Islam has NEVER EVER had a higher, more politicized profile in the west than it does today - AFTER 9/11. Instead of being widely regarded as the cancer it is, it instead has more activists and apologists than ever before.

123 Odinist  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:18:28pm

My #118-

re: #107 Resistance Girl

Don't know how that got there... PIMF, I guess!

124 wrathofasma  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:19:05pm

Are there any open positions in the State Department Steven Emerson could qualify for? Because SOMEBODY with brains is needed in State desperately! Or perhaps Homeland Security. Or the FBI even. Why hasn't Steven Emerson spoken to the President personally? WrathofG-d is right. We should give a little (only a little) credit to the LLLs for their criticism of Bush.

125 MartelBrigade  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:19:17pm

Anyone else think we should designate a day in late August or early September and send Burqas to the White House? It could be known as Burqas for Bush. I respect the office but the man is testing my patience.

126 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:20:42pm
127 terri g  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:21:11pm

Why is this happening? I don't get W. I am also glad that I don't have to pull the lever for him anymore. I am just sick though that we'll have 8 years of Clinton. I'm just afraid that's what's going to happen.

128 moebius  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:21:27pm

It's an organized hostile takeover, aided and abetted by political correctness, cravenness, stupidity and incompetence. We will be under Shariah law before too long if we don't act to stop this insanity.

129 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:21:31pm

re: #106 Excaliber

He was graduated from Yale, not Harvard.

130 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:22:13pm

#122 sighted ='s cited...(I meant it as a pun or play on words - yeah, that's the ticket!) ;)

131 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:22:30pm
#104 funky chicken

I can imagine Mitt "we need a new Marshall Plan for the Arab world" Romney doing the same thing.

You know, before this election cycle is over, someone just has to ask Mitt the obvious question.

/boxers or briefs?

132 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:22:37pm

85 TaxfreeKiller

What you said.

And, seriously, what the hell is wrong with our government? Why give credence to CAIR? Why not just let them wither away into the obscurity they so richly deserve.

Like Charles, I feel slightly nauseated.

133 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:22:55pm

re: #104 funky chicken

75 Mr. Pancakes I can imagine Mitt "we need a new Marshall Plan for the Arab world" Romney doing the same thing.

Rudy and Fred!? Not so much, at least I hope.

Duncan Hunter? Not at all.


"As Governor, he (Mitt Romney) denied state police security for former Iranian President Khatami's visit to Harvard."

This was the what got me to take notice in him when I heard this.

Certainly not Duncan Hunter nor Tom Tancredo would allow this, I agree... but neither of them stand a chance.

134 LSD  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:23:15pm

re: #92 song_and_dance_man

Yeah, your right. It's all too much. let's do nothing ...
But for ONE...

135 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:23:20pm

Why is it that the same people that hate AIPAC love CAIR.

136 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:23:45pm

122 ECC Oh, you're not the only one. Lots of people have fussed at me for talking about what Bush has done to our military...while he sends people to meet with Iran and Syria, or while we watch Al Sadr get more and more supporters, or while our borders stay open and our BP guys, just like our soldiers in harm's way worry they could be disciplined or jailed for discharging weapons at hostile forces.

What a failure.

Like Peggy Noonan said, it's time for the conservatives to abandon GW Bush just like he's abandoned us.

137 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:24:24pm
#129 MandyManners

He was graduated from Yale, not Harvard.

Actually, he graduated from both.

/he's got a Harvard MBA

138 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:25:07pm

It's not time for anyone to even go to CAIR's offices and call them out publicly?

139 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:25:11pm

131 Killian Bundy

Only the left are fascinated with mens underwear. Asking such a question only identifies the asker as an ass.

(Yes, yes, he's a mormon and they wear...who really gives a crap?)

140 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:25:17pm

#126 SADM

You were indeed ahead of the curve. Why didn't Bush smiling with that Tomato-faced socialist from Massachusetts prove a premonition then? Man have we been duped. I think we are so desperate for a leader of the West qua Churchill that we will follow almost anybody in a time of national crisis instead of demanding a real leader.

141 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:26:00pm

#126 Song and Dance Man

And your abbreviated name of SADM still kinda' cracks me up. :)

142 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:26:16pm

re: #138 Resistance Girl

People don't disagee with you. Get it organized and I am sure you can find people to go. I'll even go, if I am in the State at that time.

143 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:26:51pm

127 terri g I don't think Madame Hillary is inevitable. But we will have to have a GOP nominee who isn't afraid to run against so much of what Bush has done wrong.

144 Thanos  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:27:09pm

My bet: Joe backs Rudy

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

145 Sponge  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:27:40pm
We should give a little (only a little) credit to the LLLs for their criticism of Bush.


I would give that leeway to the left if they actually criticized Bush, but they don't. They insult, they poke fingers, demean and any other adjective you can come up with toward Bush and his administration. Give them credit for what? They don't offer anything...but they are VERY persistant in their attempt to beat into submission. That's all they have done. They are winning the whine battle because Republicans don't want to call a spade a spade and put them in their place. They are not offering any solutions, just throwing insults. democrats are only trying to discredit the current administration and it appears to be working. Is GWB doing and saying all the right things? Hell no, but I for one feel a heckuvalot better over the last 6 1/2 years about my government than I did about the previous 8. Those of you that are jumping on the left bandwagon because the current administration has been beat to submission, you are more the sheep than I thought people were.

146 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:27:59pm

Dhimmification starts at my own door. Afraid to put my own email out there.

This is how it starts.

147 Treesarie  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:28:32pm

re: #143 funky chicken

Hillary, can you imagine that fraud ass yelling at us for four years.
I'd go to France. ;-)

148 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:28:38pm

You know. I feel bad for Steve Emerson.

You all are claiming that you knew Bush sucked a year ago but Emerson was warning about the Islamist Threat from at least the early 1980s.

I couldn't imagine knowing what was really going on & being ignored for so long. (even after 9/11, which he warned would happen in the 1990s)

149 LSD  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:28:45pm

re: #138 Resistance Girl

It's not time for anyone to even go to CAIR's offices and call them out publicly?

The United American Committee does it often

150 Colin Nelson  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:28:52pm

Start with the common sense notion that the idea of an envoy to the OIC is without any merit on its face.

Then add the issue of approval/or not, by CAIR.

Then factor in the absurdity that the real black ball (can we still say that?) will be held by the OIC itself.

A redeeming thought: Let us hope that W nominates a non-Muslim and then we can all enjoy the Muslim rage theatre as it unfolds.

151 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:28:59pm

135 Wrath The Jews don't have oil? Jeez I hate to say that.

152 DesertSage  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:29:07pm

re: #122 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Bush is ruining the Republican party...

Since when is Bush a Republican? Just because he has an "R" next to his name doesn't make him a Republican.
He sided with Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy on the illegal immigration issue...that right there makes him a Liberal Democrat in my mind.
Bush has lost it, he no longer represents conservatives. Don't misunderstand me though, just because Bush on the wrong side of the issues doesn't make the Democrats right. The Democrats are beyond hope, NOTHING they do is right...as evidenced by their 'lower then Bush' approval ratings.

One thing will set our country on the right path-

Thompson/Hunter '08

153 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:29:11pm

re: #124 wrathofasma

You beat me too it... :-) (Except forget the State Department idea. They're too far gone.)

YOO-HOO! MR. (MRS.) CANDIDATE!

/I'm sure your people are reading LGF so here's a heads-up:

The first one of you who says that you will be hiring Steve Emerson, either as a full-time employee or an outside consultant, to advise you on terrorism when you are elected President will get my vote.

/...and my sincere gratitude since I won't have to pay attention to the circus until Election Day!

154 LSD  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:30:11pm

#148
I still have great "Faith" in Bush, just not much of his staff or his stamina ...

155 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:30:15pm
156 WrathofG-d  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:30:50pm

re: #146 Resistance Girl

Go to hotmail & set up an account (ie: resistance Girl@HOtmail.com). When you sign up don't use any real info (name, address, etc.).

Then people can contact you there. Unless they do some sort of tricky IP address search, or super duper techy computer thing, noone will know who you are.

(well unless you call an event and only 1 person shows up. :D )

157 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:30:54pm

I can understand the frustration of Bush's tacit support of CAIR, but to single him out as the only President to kowtow to Arabs is to ignore history.

Every President in my lifetime, including Reagan, has kissed the Saudi ring. 9/11 did nothing to change that.

158 Atman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:31:27pm

re: #138 Resistance Girl
Have you been to this web page? Might find some help...

159 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:31:34pm

re: #137 Killian Bundy

Thank you, KB! I forgot that one.

160 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:32:18pm

Thank you, LSD.

I'll follow up on that.

161 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:32:44pm

re: #116 Atman

Just did. Feh! A lot of it is from Indymedia, etc. I look at President Bush, and see something like the Albore situation with his kid...poor parenting, and trying to fit in. Re the Presdident and alcohol? He did manage to stop drinking, and that requires inner strength. That he now seems to have burn out, and is adrift at this time in our history is frightening...I still remember the President Bush who came here after 9/11, and who came a number of times, and the man who visits unannounced the families who lost a child or husband fighting in Iraq. Usually it is mentioned afterwards by the family. There is good in him, but he seems to be wiped out, and being controlled by Condi and State.

I fall far short of calling President Bush a *azi. Just seeing Soros *spit* comparing him to the *azis gives me pause. That said? I am furious with him now.

I do not remember many really memorable second terms for our Presidents. They usually are remembered for major muck ups...and if a Demonrat gets into the Oval Office? G-d help us. I can only pray that the President will have a wake-up call very soon, before is is too late. It is about 11:57 PM for him.

162 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:32:54pm

re: #144 Thanos

Rudy - Lieberman?

163 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:33:12pm

#136 FC

Bush really isn't a "conservative". In practical politics "conservatives" barely exist. Conservatives are constantly having to re-invent themselves to accommodate the whims of the latest "conservative" candidate, the latest front-runner. Rudy is the latest example. I love the guy, but he's no "conservative". But, yes, he'll get the nod, and his actions and policies will slowly reinterpret and redefine what the party should be and we'll follow along out of desperation. It's not the left that is constantly redefining the Republican party. It's the right.

164 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:33:37pm

Between the amensty bill and this disaster, I wash my hands of GWB. He's on his own, I will not support him any longer. Enough is enough. I've gone out on a limb too many times to defend him, now he can go to hell.

165 LSD  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:35:34pm

re: #155 song_and_dance_man

There is MUCH about CAIR people don't know.
The case trods along at a snails pace with lots of lawyers making moves ... years away.
Until then, pressure must be used EVERYDAY to oust CAIR into obscurity.

166 DesertSage  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:35:39pm

re: #164 Dublin(CA)Dude

Between the amensty bill and this disaster, I wash my hands of GWB. He's on his own, I will not support him any longer. Enough is enough. I've gone out on a limb too many times to defend him, now he can go to hell.

I take it you won't be voting for him again?

167 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:36:41pm

Now, to be fair, the White House didn't (yet!) announce that CAIR will get to choose/vet their OIC envoy. CAIR is using the idiocy of not blocking Hooper's attendance to make it look like they are important.

Sending an envoy to an organization that was founded to drive the Jews into the sea is stupid and immoral on its face, but this blather that Emerson is reporting is all coming from CAIR.

And on cue, CAIR is playing up spokesman Ibrahim Hooper’s attendance at the speech and taking full advantage of its presence to insinuate itself into the President’s agenda.

168 maxheadroom  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:37:04pm

whats the matter with flintstone... He's OK...Bush has some how derailed himself

169 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:37:13pm
170 Atman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:37:36pm

re: #160 Resistance Girl
Here is one of their posters...

171 coquimbojoe  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:38:20pm

re: #166 DesertSage

You can count on me not voting for him again! Uhhh...nevermind.

Have I pointed out Islamic Rage Boy's bald brother lately?

172 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:38:26pm

#152 Desert Sage
I'd prefer simply Hunter - with no VP and no bullshit. Just Duncan taking the reigns all pissed off. My second preference would be Duncun Hunter in the slick facade of Mitt Romney. That is to say - still a solo Duncan presidency, but looking like Mitt Romney so even the undecided women vote for the guy. Duncan Hunter doesn't need any help. That should be his campaign slogan - "Duncan Hunter doesn't need any help". :)

173 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:38:29pm

163 ECC I think it might be Fred! and if he picks Duncan Hunter for his VPOTUS I will like it, and have hope.

We'll have to see...

174 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:39:43pm

#166 Desert Sage

Unfortunately, I won't have the opportunity to vote against him. But I would if I could. His betrayal of his base is unforgivable.

175 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:40:18pm

re: #137 Killian Bundy

Killian,

No 'legacy' gets into Harvard Grad School, undergrad, yes,and he was a better student than Hanoi John.

176 grumpy old codger  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:40:53pm

Maybe Bolton wants the OIC?

177 saywhat?  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:41:07pm

re: #165 LSD

re: #155 song_and_dance_man

Until then, pressure must be used EVERYDAY to oust CAIR into obscurity.

Agreed. One way is to properly and consistently identify them:

CAIR, unindicted co-conspirators in Hamas funding case

complete with link.

178 southernborn  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:42:52pm

#169 Buzzmonkey

Fantastic post

179 grumpy old codger  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:42:54pm

Maybe Bolton would accept an appointment to OIC?

180 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:43:25pm

James Baker is more than a desk drone. He's a fabulously wealthy guy who has used his government positions and influence to increase his Arabian investment portfolio among other things.

181 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:43:28pm

#157 Goodbye_Natalie:
"Every President in my lifetime, including Reagan, has kissed the Saudi ring. 9/11 did nothing to change that"


That's exactly the problem, GN. Bush SHOULD have changed that. Somehow, someway.

Our old guys, Jefferson, Washington, the Adams Bros., Ben F, the very rich and safe John Hancock, the Sons of Liberty - they stood up to the mightiest army on the planet and said "bullocks to that." But Bush couldn't call out the House of Saud AFTER 9/11? Well, when will/could he? When those towers went down he should have looked eastward and said "sorry lads, those oil fields are ours now." Instead? "Religion of Peace". It's sadistic, really.

182 ROP?LOL  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:44:32pm

#162 Killgore Trout

re: #144 Thanos

Rudy - Lieberman?


Not my first choice, but I could get behind that. Looks like a very electable ticket.

183 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:46:14pm

grumpy The OIC won't accept Bolton. And we're sending an envoy, which means they can accept or reject our suggested candidate.

Kind of like Maliki still thinks he gets to tell our troops to stay out of Sadr City.

Have we killed any more terrorists there since our successful operation that had Maliki screaming like a stuck pig? Or are we back to operating "at the invitation of the sovereign government of Iraq" again?

184 EE  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:47:27pm

Shoeless George Bush, by Daniel Pipes
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

185 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:47:34pm

Our gov't is not the strength of this country. It's an albatross wrapped around neck of ordinary Americans. It's the gang that can't shoot straight - the the most inept, inefficient part of a much larger economy. It's the bureaucrat at the local college, the insurance claim adjuster instructed to minimize cost, the tenured lib professor, and gang of seven street workers watching one work.

What bothers me is there are more and more in this country who think the gov't the answer to all our problems. It shouldn't be the anwer to anything besides the national interests: military, space, interstate regulation, etc. And that's my biggest bitch with Bush. He's helped encourage more of the same.

186 Atman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:47:37pm

re: #169 BuzzSawMonkey
NY Nana were focusing in on the grandfather. Nothing more on my part. That the Bush family has ties to the Saudis is not news.
That closeness has me uneasy...
I can say for myself that my government career was not for my order but to continue our social order...

187 The Joker[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:48:23pm
188 sheik yer'mami  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:48:33pm

Bush's religion must have been hijacked by extremists,- or perhaps his brain was fried under the Sowdi sun.

But wouldn't do you call a guy that hugs and kisses the enemy a whore?

189 CaddyMan  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:49:42pm

Its now getting close as we come down to the wire. Carter was the worst President, however, Bush is gaining fast. Other than tax cuts to grow the economy what is it exactly that he has done that was a positive. Appointing Supreme Ct. Justices don't count since its a no brainer.

190 Nannette  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:50:49pm

Bush is turning America into a dhimmi state!

191 The Joker[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:51:19pm
192 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:51:21pm

#181 Eric,

That's exactly the problem, GN. Bush SHOULD have changed that. Somehow, someway.

I wholeheartedly agree. Contrary to popular belief, I believe it to be Bush's biggest weakness. And not very often do I get surprised by personal weakness - but I really thought George Bush far more grounded than he is.

And I voted for him twice so I have nobody to blame.

193 Thanos  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:51:54pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

re: #162 Killgore Trout

re: #144 Thanos

Rudy - Lieberman?

I've seen stranger things happen, but I doubt that. Joe could be angling for a cabinet position, or perhaps UN rep? Who knows.


Here's video of "Aunty Aziz" The cleric who sent children to jihad and death, demonstrating how he hid under a burqa himself to escape on Pakistani tv

194 EE  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:52:26pm

re #184

Shoeless George Bush

by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
July 3, 2007


[With slight differences from the NY Sun version]

When Dwight D. Eisenhower dedicated the Islamic Center in Washington, D.C., in June 1957, his 500-word talk effused good will ("Civilization owes to the Islamic world some of its most important tools and achievements") even as the American president embarrassingly bumbled (Muslims in the United States, he declared, have the right to their "own church"). Conspicuously, he included nary a word about policy.

Exactly fifty years later, standing shoeless, George W. Bush rededicated the center last week. His 1,600-word speech also praised medieval Islamic culture ("We come to express our appreciation for a faith that has enriched civilization for centuries"), but he knew a mosque from a church – and he had more on the agenda than flattery.

Most arresting, surely, was his statement that "I have invested the heart of my presidency in helping Muslims fight terrorism, and claim their liberty, and find their own unique paths to prosperity and peace." This cri du coeur signaled how Mr. Bush understands to what extent actions by Muslims will define his legacy.

Should they heed his dream "and find their own unique paths to prosperity and peace," then his presidency, however ravaged it may look at the moment, will be vindicated. As with Harry S Truman, historians will acknowledge that he saw further than his contemporaries. Should Muslims, however, be "left behind in the global movement toward prosperity and freedom," historians will likely judge his two terms as harshly as his fellow Americans do today.

Of course, how Muslims fare depends in large part on the future course of radical Islam, which in turn depends in some part on its understanding by the American president. Over the years, Mr. Bush has generally shown an increased understanding of this topic. He started with platitudinous, apologetic references to Islam as the "religion of peace," using this phrase as late as 2006. He early on even lectured Muslims on the true nature of their religion, a presumptuous ambition that prompted me in 2001 to dub him "Imam Bush."

As his understanding grew, Mr. Bush spoke of the caliphate, "Islamic extremism" and "Islamofacism." What euphemistically he called the "war on terror" in 2001, by 2006 he referred to with the hard-hitting "war with Islamic fascists." Things were looking up. Perhaps official Washington did understand the threat, after all.

But such analyses roused Muslim opposition and, as he approaches his political twilight, Mr. Bush has retreated to safer ground, reverting last week to decayed tropes that tiptoe around any mention of Islam. Instead, he spoke inelegantly of "the great struggle against extremism that is now playing out across the broader Middle East" and vaguely of "a group of extremists who seek to use religion as a path to power and a means of domination."

Worse, the speech drum-rolled the appointment of a U.S. special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, directing this envoy to "listen to and learn from" his Muslim counterparts.

195 EE  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:54:47pm

re #184


But the OIC is a Saudi-sponsored organization promoting the Wahhabi agenda under the trappings of a Muslim-only United Nations. As counterterrorism specialist Steven Emerson has noted, Bush's dismal initiative stands in "complete ignorance of the rampant radicalism, pro-terrorist, and anti-American sentiments routinely found in statements by the OIC and its leaders."

Sitting in the audience at the Islamic Center on June 27, 2007, three senior Bush administration staffers wore makeshift hijabs: Fran Townsend (far left), Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, NSC Senior Director for European Affairs Judy Ansley (left), and Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs Karen Hughes (right).

Adding to the event's accommodationist tone, some of the president's top female aides, including Frances Townsend and Karen Hughes, wore makeshift hijabs as they listened to him in the audience.

In brief, it feels like "déjà vu all over again." As columnist Diana West puts it, "Nearly six years after September 11 — nearly six years after first visiting the Islamic Center and proclaiming ‘Islam is peace' — Mr. Bush has learned nothing." But we now harbor fewer hopes than in 2001 that he still can learn, absorb, and reflect an understanding of the enemy's Islamist nature.

Concluding that he basically has failed to engage this central issue, we instead must look to Mr. Bush's potential successors and look for them to return to his occasional robustness, again taking up those difficult concepts of Islamic extremism, Shariah, and the caliphate. Several Republicans – Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and (above all) Fred Thompson – are doing just that. Democratic candidates, unfortunately, prefer to remain almost completely silent on this topic.

Almost thirty years after Islamists first attacked Americans, and on the eve of three major attempted terrorist attacks in Great Britain, the president's speech reveals how confused Washington remains.

196 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:55:53pm
197 rappmandu  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:56:28pm

In my unsophisticated, simplistic view, a lame duck POTUS like Bush will move away from his conservative base on issues across the board. This has the effect of forcing that base to turn away from him in search of a new leader who appeals to that base. Also, it makes it harder for the other party's candidate to run towards the middle without being identified as sharing positions similar to the lame duck's.

You may laugh now.

198 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:56:50pm

re: #182 ROP?LOL

#162 Killgore Trout

re: #144 Thanos

Rudy - Lieberman?


Not my first choice, but I could get behind that. Looks like a very electable ticket.

Rudy - Lieberman... I dunno Kilgore ... I gotta nix that proposal... Joe was pro amnesty.

199 littleoldlady  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:57:31pm

re: #193 Thanos

Joe could be angling for a cabinet position, or perhaps UN rep?

Oooo! Wouldn't that be nice!

200 Nannette  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 5:58:25pm

re: #94 NY Nana

I have saved this article for 3 years, from al-Guardian, that claims that Bush #1's dad had connections to the *azis, but thought it was the usual crap from al-G...now? I am beginning to wonder.

The Guardian write a lot of things, but when they say they have seen documents, they don't lie.

201 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:02:01pm

GWB needs to deal with Iran before he leaves office. His grade is incomplete till then.

202 rappmandu  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:03:13pm

Since I'm batting 1.000 in the stupid comment category...

Chuck Norris '08

No matter the election outcome, Chuck Norris will roundhouse kick the Electoral College into a landslide victory.

203 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:05:41pm

re: #200 Nannette

The Guardian write a lot of things, but when they say they have seen documents, they don't lie.

Nannette,

Hindsight is 20/20...I believe it re the grandfather, but do not for a minute think the President is a *azi sympathizer...sad situation.

Any Steyniacs? He is on Hannity and skeletar..with Juan Williams re the Libby pardon.

204 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:06:40pm

re: #201 Mich-again

I agree. It is a must.

205 Atman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:07:39pm

re: #196 buzzsawmonkey

#186 Atman
I'm not impugning any particular person's career in the government; don't think it. ...An orderly system does not encourage or reward original thought, as a rule; it encourages and rewards those who stay within well-defined boundaries. If you worked within the government, I am sure you observed this many times.


No offense taken...
Why I stayed in the trenches and worked with the real people not the ass kissers...

206 The Joker[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:09:32pm
207 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:10:10pm

re: #175 NY Nana

What you said!

208 Nannette  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:10:50pm

re: #203 NY Nana

I don't like what the Bushy Administration is doing to Israel right now... I'm really upset that Israel has such a weak, pro-Arab leader. :(

209 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:11:41pm
210 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:12:36pm
211 friarstale  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:13:07pm

it's The Super-CIAR-a- doscious Song!
[Link: www.cruxy.com...]

212 Nannette  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:13:53pm

George Bush goes wobbly - By Daniel Pipes

213 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:14:30pm

re: #208 Nannette

Is he really weak AND pro-Arab or, is he just weak?

214 FriarsTale  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:14:58pm

and the
Super CIAR slideshow!

215 LSD  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:15:14pm

re: #189 CaddyMan

Other than tax cuts to grow the economy what is it exactly that he has done that was a positive.

Excuse me?
He took the fight where it needed to be. His martial orders have sent tens of thousands of Jihadiacs to sleep in hell.
He is the ONLY person in leadership that had the balls to do it.
He may be waning now, but NEVER forget he did the right thing.

216 Atman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:19:09pm

re: #209 BuzzSawMonkey

re: #206 The Joker
I'm thinking of leaving America.
I might just move to South America!

Right. Trade the fumblings of liberty for a land ruled by caciques.


/...caciques? Venezuelan rum drinkers?...just kidding...

217 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:20:11pm

re: #208 Nannette

re: #203 NY Nana

I don't like what the Bushy Administration is doing to Israel right now... I'm really upset that Israel has such a weak, pro-Arab leader. :(

I am furious. I call the White House so often that I must be on a list. And Olmerede? *spit*. Israel desperately needs real leadership, but instead gets a gang of thugs.

218 southernborn  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:20:26pm

re: #215 LSD
That he did. I was with him all the way. Except for the fact that the war was fought with political correctness and that got a lot of troops dead. But that was then. Now he has gone brain dead. I can't stand to see his face.

219 Nannette  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:22:20pm

re: #213 MandyManners

re: #208 Nannette

Is he really weak AND pro-Arab or, is he just weak?


I believe Olmert is weak and pro-Arab. His wife is a member of the Women in Black, who believe in an Arab state instead of Israel. His daughter belongs to one of the far left groups, Machsom Watch, and was photographed at a Palestinian demonstration calling for another Intifada, as well as deonstrating against last year's Lebanon war, calling the IDF murderers!

Olmert's two sons are both left wing, anti-Israel. Neither have done army service. One lives in New York and the other in Paris.

220 theheat  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:23:54pm
An informed source has told me that the White House was completely unaware that a Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) representative would be present at President Bush’s speech last week for the rededication ceremony of the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C., and, in fact, had no idea who the mosque leaders had invited to the event, basically surrendering the vetting process to the Islamic Center, a Saudi-funded institution with a documented history (pdf) of extremism and anti-Semitism.

There is no cure for the stupid that is the Bush administration. Worse, they aren't even seeking treatment; not even the phony kind of treatment Hollywood types seek after inserting their feet in their mouths. Darryl Frigging Strawberry has a better chance at rehab. Given that Bush has aligned himself with radical Islamists, such as Fatah, and thrown money at them, and stumped for Islam in general - I'd put him more in the pimp or pusher category than the victim seeking treatment. He's not only The Decider, he's The Enabler.

Flaccid, stupid, and ultimately dangerous. Not a good combination for a presidential legacy.

I see Bush and Carter together hammering bent nails in their twilight years.

221 Adrenalyn  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:24:02pm

An informed source has told me that the White House was completely unaware that a Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) representative would be present at the Presidents speech last week for the rededication re-education ceremony of the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C.,


there, fixed that for you Charles

222 Nannette  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:24:19pm
223 legalpad  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:25:51pm

The Bushes idea of compromise has always been do half of what is right and half of what is wrong, which cancel each other out at best.

224 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:26:14pm

re: #219 Nannette

and pro-Arab. His wife is a member of the Women in Black, who believe in an Arab state instead of Israel. His daughter belongs to one of the far left groups, Machsom Watch, and was photographed at a Palestinian demonstration calling for another Intifada, as well as deonstrating against last year's Lebanon war, calling the IDF murderers!

Olmert's two sons are both left wing, anti-Israel. Neither have done army service. One lives in New York and the other in Paris.

WTF? How did this buffoon get into high office?

I'm all for the families of office holders having their own opinions and causes but, these causes call for the destruction of the State of Israel!

225 CaddyMan  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:29:10pm

#215 LSD

He had no choice but to take the fight to them. He is responsible as commander in chief for what has happened after we got into Iraq and Afghanistan. He restricted the rules of engagement and had(s) our troops fighting with one hand tied behind their backs. Either fight a war to win or don't get into a war. Even though he complains about the IEDs and other weapons coming in from Iran killing and maiming our troops; how come he doesn't destroy these plants whether in Iran or not? Patton and Truman took care of business. We could've been out of Iraq several years ago. Our troops have been given orders in the last few years to act as cops and not soldiers. Time to leave due to the failure of Bush and the Iraqis who could care less for freedom.

226 Dom  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:33:35pm

What occurred to me watching that video Charles just posted is: quite often Jewish organisations have something to say about Israel. Whether Jews feel represented by them is not to the point. Like, not just stuff about antisemitism, but say the Board of Deputies of British Jews or a zionist body like AIPAC or the JNF has something to say during conflict, or even an anti-zionist Jewish body like Neturei Karta or Jews for Justice for Palestinians or whatever. They might or might not get some coverage. However, the media doesn't cosy up to them, rarely if ever makes them the go-to guys for representing Jews as peaceful or otherwise, "let's see what the Jewish public thinks - are they concerned about an antisemitic backlash?", the politicians don't go on in the media about how their policies are nothing to do with Jews and all to do with resolving the conflict. I can't make the point more specific because Jews aren't ramming cars into airports or making enemies of the west or anything.

But that interview with the intelligence analyst was a million times more relevant and credible on the subject of terrorism than anything Muslim community representatives might have to say, and nothing about it even went near the subject of what ordinary Muslims might or might not be thinking. So why, when terrorism occurs or there's a scandal in Iraq, are they getting this continuous platform to condemn terrorism and simultaneously condemn foreign policy and yada yada? Why do Bush or Blair or Gordon Brown need to go out and build bridges with the Muslim community? In our eyes that isn't even doing Muslims any favours. If I wanted to see a fight I'd say go ahead, let these guys invoke the Islam-terror link by their very appearance. It leads us to consider their validity, looking at other stuff we don't like about Muslim culture, building up our stereotypes. And if a Muslim or the law wants to look at that stuff, forced marriages, honour killings, veiled faces, that's another subject. Of course their self-appointed community leaders want to voice their opinions and propaganda and Lord knows that's what the terrorists want. But my point is, why is their opinion even remotely relevant?

It's great that we're seeing a few campaigners now for secularism or Sufi Islam or anything but terrorism, but I just got pissed off that that's become the subtext of the daily news on national security, and it's because of something more insidious than a lefty bias, but rather, a complicity of Muslim lobby groups and the probably unconscious media in diverting our attention. What Hassan Butt and Ed Husain have to offer is insider knowledge of the terrorist organisations, but I don't want to hear one more word from Inayat Buglawala or Asghar Bukhari or their American counterparts on the reaction of the wider Muslim community. Not just because it's dangerous bullshit, but because it's so totally off-topic. If anywhere that belongs in the Muslim press.

Forgive me if I only seem to have stated the obvious, but it marks a clarification in my thinking.

227 Nannette  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:35:30pm

re: #224 MandyManners

WTF? How did this buffoon get into high office?

He was Sharon's deputy prime minister when he had the stroke... no-one voted for Olmert. He's prime minister by accident.

And he's quite happy to sell Israel out to the highest bidder which I believe are the Saudis... which is why he's continuing to go along with the Saudi Initiative for a Palestinian state. He's now dropped the requirement that they give up terrorism, and their weapons in exchange for land. He's just giving them everything.

He's been coerced by Condi Rice, and he's now going to release 250 terrorists in exchange for nothing. He's given them at least $150 million in exchange for nothing. He still supplies electricity and water to Gaza and the West Bank... all for nothing.

And he's going to make sure he gives up the Golan at some point too...

228 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:36:12pm

re: #224 MandyManners

WTF? How did this buffoon get into high office?

The best question asked, Mandy..the answer? Not a clue.

229 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:37:45pm

re: #227 Nannette

Wasn't he elected recently, when Knesset must have been on a controlled substance, it would seem?

230 Nannette  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:42:58pm

re: #226 Dom

Hi Dom,

It's all about the politics of oil. We all know that terrorism is bad, that Wahhabism is bad, but the Saudis will push the oil prices up too high if we resist.

The whole issue goes back to about 1974 during the time of the oil embargo, when Europe and the Arabs signed a treaty... and slowly we became Eurabia.

231 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:44:17pm

re: #225 CaddyMan

#215 LSD

He had no choice but to take the fight to them. He is responsible as commander in chief for what has happened after we got into Iraq and Afghanistan. He restricted the rules of engagement and had(s) our troops fighting with one hand tied behind their backs. Either fight a war to win or don't get into a war. Even though he complains about the IEDs and other weapons coming in from Iran killing and maiming our troops; how come he doesn't destroy these plants whether in Iran or not? Patton and Truman took care of business. We could've been out of Iraq several years ago. Our troops have been given orders in the last few years to act as cops and not soldiers. Time to leave due to the failure of Bush and the Iraqis who could care less for freedom.

I agree wholeheartedly with your whole post. I just hope and pray that my son doesn't have to finish what Bush hasn't let my husband and his colleagues take care of this time around. History doesn't make my feel too good about those prospects, unfortunately.

232 reluctant democrat  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:44:30pm

My suggestion or envoy is Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

233 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:46:09pm

re: #224 MandyManners

Mandy, please check your email. :)

234 Nannette  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:46:44pm

re: #229 NY Nana
Olmert was never elected, which he should have been in a general election.

His popularity is less than 3%... no sane person would vote for him. It proves a theory that the lunatics there are running the asylum.

What does this say about the Israeli government?

"I'm tired and mainly want to go to sleep," "If I find out that I have to fight with people, I'll resign." -- newly elected vice premier Haim Ramon

"A country cannot protect itself ad infinitum, because there would be no end to it." -- from a recent statement by Ehud Olmert

"We are tired of fighting, we are tired of being courageous, we are tired of winning, we are tired of defeating our enemies..." -- Ehud Olmert

235 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:49:35pm

201 Mich He's dealing with Iran. By sending ambassadors to meet with their representatives to encourage them to play a constructive role in "The New Iraq."

236 The Joker[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:49:35pm
237 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:53:39pm

Well, good night all.

238 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:56:02pm
239 6pat6  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:57:40pm

Hey Doogie - You might have Bush & Co. brainwashed into agreeing somehow with your sicko little world view, but the VAST majority of Americans are on to your bullshiite.

You will lose. And lose big.

Go to your masters in Saudi Arabia, Doogie. And take Nyad (or whatever the fu*k his name is) and go home.

240 6pat6  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 6:58:58pm

Nyad, Awad, all the same...get out of MY country!

241 Carol Herman  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 7:00:13pm

OKay. Olmert WAS elected!

While Bibi, at election time, was tossed into six of the twelve Likud seats.

Some people dream big.

But in politics you get to see what's possible.

Olmert's managed to survive the distaste. Maybe, he's like grapefruit juice? Tastes awful. But it's healthy.

And, who can beat his "tasty fishes?"

I think he also survives the next bout of Winograd. Since commissions don't elect people. And, most Israelis are savvy enough to realize the political games.

When will the next elections occur? In 2008.

Will Dalia Itzik's dreams of getting a government car for life really be the deal that this knesset signs up for?

Oh, at Israel's last election, only about 65% of the population thought it was worth it, to vote.

Maybe, 2008 will be a better year? For both Israel and the USA. I'd like to see turnout, better.

And, to those who like Duncan Hunter? So does Ann Coulter. But as Ann Coulter said, when she made me laugh: NOBODY KNOWS WHO HE IS!

Don't let that stop ya.

Meanwhile, I'd like to see Mike Gavel peel votes away from Ralph Nader. Talk about the man who can't even get 3%.

242 Dr. Mabuse  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 7:03:16pm

re: #201 Mich-again

GWB needs to deal with Iran before he leaves office. His grade is incomplete till then.

Bush won't do a damn thing about Iran. He only lumbered into Iraq after 18 months of posing, posturing, drumrolls and fanfares - it was like the launching of the Titanic, there was so much advance signalling and waving! And he's fluffed around there for over 4 years, with no victory in sight. He wouldn't be ready to attack Iran without at least 2 years of huffing and puffing, and then he'd be gone. Congress would never permit him to start a war then run away and leave them and a new president holding the bag. So it's over before it's even started.

243 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 7:05:24pm

re: #234 Nannette

I forgot that Israel has a parliamentary form of government..and that Kadima 'won', albeit narrowly.

Olmerde is pond slime, and no one is forcing him to do anything. He is a POS without any prodding.

244 Nannette  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 7:14:43pm

re: #243 NY Nana
I'm just looking forward to the next round of elections in Israel. If there's any Israel left by then...

Anyway, there's a new political party "Hatikvah", who's policies sound good, and it's led by Arieh Eldad, who's a solid man, and patriotic too. I hope that we get someone decent in government over there.

And off topic, the JNF now has an Arab director...

245 Mich-again  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 7:23:41pm

re: #242 Dr. Mabuse
There are other ways of dealing with Iran than by starting another war. I think the best chance for regime change in Iran is from within and the best strategy to foment a revolution is to torpedo Iran's economy and wait for the ship to sink. I actually think an attack from the USA could help the Mullahs keep their grip on power.

But we don't have to just sit back and wait for GWB to act. Ordinary people could all help out by divesting in companies that do business with the Islamic Republic. It would be great to see a grass roots effort of Americans to divest from the Mullahcracy supporting companies around the globe. That was a good idea posed in this analysis.. Iran's Oil Industry: A House of Cards

Congress should require the Department of Treasury to publish a list of companies whose subsidiaries continue to make energy deals with Iran. It should also post the names of foreign companies that have more than $1 million invested in Iran's energy interests. Finally, Congress should require Treasury to list the pension and retirement plans, mutual funds, and other financial instruments that hold investments in these U.S. and foreign companies. Such transparency would allow the public to pressure these institutions to deny resources to companies that work with Iran, thereby expediting the decline of Iran's energy sector. In the interim, DivestTerror.org is a website the public can access until Washington publishes its own list.
247 gymnast  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 7:28:59pm

The perfect OIC representative for the US to send as a Representative to the OIC is Dennis Kucinich. The job is far below John Bolton's pay grade and would be a waste of a good mans time, but Dennis Kucinich is the perfect nebish for the position.

248 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 7:38:23pm
249 SATerp  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 7:46:34pm

These are the guys responsible for guarding our borders?

250 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 7:52:16pm

re: #244 Nannette

re: #243 NY Nana
I'm just looking forward to the next round of elections in Israel. If there's any Israel left by then...

Anyway, there's a new political party "Hatikvah", who's policies sound good, and it's led by Arieh Eldad, who's a solid man, and patriotic too. I hope that we get someone decent in government over there.

And off topic, the JNF now has an Arab director...

JNF has an arab director? My head hurts.

I also think that Hatikvah sounds good..but hope that Israel has an election sooner rather than later. Why there has not been a strong no-confidence vote? I do not comprehend.

251 Strike Hornet  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 7:57:58pm

re: #68 Treesarie

re: #43 chee toe

He had no "center" to carry him past the love of physical pleasure and material things.


What card carrying liberal does?

252 big L  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 7:59:21pm

85 dockscience--That is what I read and hear."2009-end of an error" reads the bumper snicker. But what excuse will they make when Presiden Obama invites all these scallywags to the WH after a terrorist bombing in the USA to console and to soothiate their feelings? What will theay say?
I guess we'll have 4 yrs of "the Wonder Years" Where Fred Savage is always saying to g.f. Winnie: "We need to talk"

that's what we get from these lefty folks, talk.Deaths?, ehh, all middle class bourgoisie...who cares about them.

253 big L  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 8:00:50pm

87 Dock science- I wrote 85 above.

254 Jimash  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 8:00:53pm

re: #138 Resistance Girl

It's not time for anyone to even go to CAIR's offices and call them out publicly?

Admirable spunk but...
As we are lamentig they have cornered the inside track on both sides ffrom day 0. And Steve Emerson can't even get in the door.
What are you going to do there that Mr. Emerson cannot achieve with his massive creds.?
Ask them embarrasing questions and listen to the answers ?
Hope you don't get bored easy.
Yell at them and make a fuss ?
Hope you know a good bail bondsman.
Cair is negotiating with OIC for the decision of the identity of the envoy. This strategy is already bankrupt (Sorry Buzzsaw).

255 big L  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 8:10:23pm

Let's see. we have Jimmah Carter who hates the USA because most rational folks see his presidency as a disaster and a failure. so he runs for support to the Isalms as no one here will give any kudos to him.

then we have Bill clnton. He nevermissses a chance to stick it to the USA due to his anger over folks objecting to his purjury and lying and yes, his scummy behaviour. To those much has been given, much is expected. He earned and received many honors, and threw it away. And so called on it, he hates the
USA .

Then there is GWB. He sees his domestic initiatives repeatedlytaking a nose-dive. The war is run with Marquis-de-queensbury rules and no one came from EU to help and the Coservatives hate his weird aura of moderateness.So he now is sticking it to the USA by huggy-muggying with the Isalms. Wash your hands, W. You are hanging with scum bags.But that will teach the US to give me a 24 Poll rating, right.

256 Uncle Joe  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 8:38:49pm

It's hard for me to even get through articles like the first one linked because my blood starts to boil. Bush has proven himself to be the paragon, the absolute pinnacle, of fucktarded idiocy but there is no recourse at this point. We have to suck on it for another year and a half.

It's gotten downright spooky. Bush has combination of total oblivousness and a sort of let-them-eat-cake indifference towards everyone but the special interests of his fellow "one world" plutocrats.

I really think part of the point of the uproar over the immigration bill came out of the hope that the collective we could keep both Bush and our equally execrable Congress out of mischief by screaming at them until the next election when, hopefully, we can push the flush handle and start over.

257 Dom  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 8:39:44pm

re: #230 Nannette

I'm just thinking this one point through from the perspective that a brave few Muslims have put their heads above the parapet to denounce khalifa-supporting jihadis, and presumably they have a silent if diminished Muslim audience, and other Muslims aren't with them - I'm excluding the paid-up jihad advocates and more concerned about their recruit base - because they're buying the line that the media is focusing on them unfairly. And suddenly I see that point of view, and it isn't just the media, it's the Muslim spokespeople, leading into the suggestion that Muslims should be opposing foreign policy more-or-less in line with terrorists. I know we know that, but surely this is a point that should penetrate the right-left divide, to be focused on the actual news. All the stuff about Muslim reform and denunciation of terror is an important subset of the issue, but by focusing so heavily on it, the media, for all the boost they give to the truthers and jihadis, far from giving Muslims a hand actually make it harder for them to get any ideological distance. I was thinking this partly because of the attitude: "we're tired of being asked to denounce this stuff or to integrate". And for sure, it should be our concern to wrench this extremism out of the mosques, and when that happens, we could be having a far more focused debate and excluding radical views instead of bringing this up with the usual talking heads in response to specific incidents.

258 Dom  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 8:41:32pm

Because I think that if, in the background of fighting terror, we can hear Muslims promoting peace and nothing else, we can save them from themselves, and win the "greater jihad" in the process.

259 Uncle Joe  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 8:45:19pm

Charles had an entry about oh...a year ago to an article re Bush bringing 50,000 Saudi students to the US. Anybody got a link to that? I did a search but I couldn't find it.

260 Areopagitica  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 8:49:51pm

Its official, Bush II really is less intelligent than many species of lemurs.

Truly sad that this guy, portrayed as a greater criminal than Hitler for taking on radical muslims after 9/11, has really blundered his way through the battles the past few years. Now it culminates in this horsecrap.

He had the high ground morally in this fight and has let the nutroot leftists make such incidents as the koran/toilet incident at Guantanamo and the funding of the paleostinians and Abu Graib.

I was at the Evanston Illinois 4th of july parade and never saw so many people cheer the float that had impeach Bush on it. I wanted to puke. The man has allowed the global situation to run him over unlike FDR, Kennedy, and Lincoln when faced with national and international criseses.

I hope our next president has balls. Maybe he can lend some to Gordon Brown and Ken Livingston as well.

Hey George, you are a good Dhimmi

261 Clemente  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 9:32:44pm

Obviously, proper cultural diversity considerations require a position of such responsibility should rotate among the best-qualified candidates from a variety of backgrounds and geographic origins. A bi-monthly or quarterly schedule should be adopted. For the initial rounds, I'd nominate, in no particular order:

Wafa Sultan
Mark Steyn
Fjordman
Robert Spencer
Mandy Manners
Victor Davis Hanson
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Michelle Malkin
Charles

Should the Offending Islamist Cowards request a substitution in any particular session, I'd further suggest John Bolton, Hugh Fitzgerald, The Right Honorable Iowahawk (with a twelve-pack and a bottle of tequila), and Craig Winn as standing alternates.

And Zombie as senior media liaison, of course.

262 milford421  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 9:55:09pm

#259 Uncle Joe

Here's one article...20,000 Saudi students...


[Link: www.herald-...]
review.com/articles/2006/12/31/news/local_news/102 0167.txt

Thousands of Saudi students returning to U.S. colleges, many in
Illinois
By HUEY FREEMAN - H&R Staff Writer

After the terrorist attacks of 9/11, the number of students from
Saudi Arabia dwindled in the United States.

In the wake of the revelation that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi
nationals, the number of new students arriving in the United States
plummeted from more than 4,000 in 2001 to 1,008 in 2005, according
to
the U.S. State Department.

But a program initiated by President Bush and Saudi King Abdullah
has
brought about 10,000 new students to U.S. colleges during the
current
academic year, bringing the number of Saudi students for the fall
semester of 2006 to 10,936.

The previous high mark for Saudis studying in the United States was
10,440, in the 1980-'81 school year, according to the International
Institute of Education, a New York-based nonprofit group.

An additional 3,000 Saudi students are expected for the semester
beginning in January. Most of the Saudi students are fully funded by
scholarships from their government.

Nail Al-Jubeir, spokesman for the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia in
Washington, D.C., said the leaders of the two nations are committed
to
reversing the recent trend of Saudi students staying out of the
United States.

"Hopefully, the goal is to get something like 20,000 in the United
States in all fields," Al-Jubeir said. (Read on)

263 Carolyn  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 10:40:31pm

Robert Spencer, Steven Emerson, Victor Davis Hanson, Mark Steyn...somebody...run for President. I am so tired of rich, spoiled , elites running this country into the ground.
I voted for George W. Bush two times. The GWB I voted for made a trip to Israel and remarked how some driveways in Texas are longer than Israel is wide. He was pro-Israel. Then came the "roadmap", I was getting twitchy. Then the immigration thing, I have never liked his immigration policies. I just believed he would do what was right for the US. Then when he (or his administration) had moslems at the 9-11 memorial service...oh my Lord...I remember a man who was present there could barely restrain himself when that imam prayed at the service where we were remembering the nearly 3,000 murdered innocents. GWB has repeatedly said that Christians and moslems worship the same God. Wrong! He has had Ramadan services and Eid dinners every year.
I am just sooo disappointed. I almost feel like I have lost a friend, it's the same heavyhearted feeling.

264 Carolyn  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 10:49:19pm

GWB is not stupid, but the alternative is to terrible to contemplate.

265 Carolyn  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 10:50:33pm

too...↑

266 biff  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 11:06:13pm

The fact that James Baker is a registered lobbyist for the KSA should keep him some distance from the ear of the President. Unfortunately, Baker seems to have replaced Dick Cheney as the President's most influential advisor. If you have noticed a significant change in WH policy over the passed 6-7 months, you have a refined political palate that is now awash in Baker crude.

267 Uncle Joe  Thu, Jul 5, 2007 11:18:09pm

re: #262 milford421

Thanks, milford!

268 1 US Sheeple  Fri, Jul 6, 2007 12:11:20am

All of the overtures to the terrorists is not going to help America one iota. I think that the "brain trust" in DC thought that the best course of action was to avoid taking on 1 billion Muslims. However, the namby pamby actions by Bush & Co have done little to diminish that possibility. Why? If we had gone after Iraq, Afghanistan, and then Iran in a violent take no prisoners manner they would have folded like a wet tent. That approach would have definitely taken the wind out of their sails.

We can no longer afford the Govt in Washington! The bureaucrats in the Govt have dropped the ball and the citizens of this country will have to bear the brunt of their mistakes.

Many of you will think that I am off the deep end, but give it some thought and add up all of the foul ups in "homeland security" that have been made. Plus the world itself has reverted back to the late 1930's and then, as now, refuse to see the dangers that confront us.

IMHO the US is running out of time! We are doing very little to protect the Continental US and with the perception by the terrorists that we are getting cold feet they are bound to redouble their efforts to take us out!

269 savetheus  Fri, Jul 6, 2007 12:27:07am

I guess it's time to point to the 50,000+ viewed video that had CAIR squeling like a stuck pig...

Open Season on CAIR

Make sure you stay for the song starting at 1:40 ...dynamite!

270 Nannette  Fri, Jul 6, 2007 3:54:09am

re: #259 Uncle Joe

Charles had an entry about oh...a year ago to an article re Bush bringing 50,000 Saudi students to the US. Anybody got a link to that? I did a search but I couldn't find it.


It's 15,000 students...

271 Nannette  Fri, Jul 6, 2007 3:56:46am

re: #250 NY Nana

Why there has not been a strong no-confidence vote? I do not comprehend.

When there was a no confidence motion put forward, the government won by 3 votes... that's why they always kick out the MKs who don't vote for the government...

272 Nannette  Fri, Jul 6, 2007 4:09:03am

re: #258 Dom

Because I think that if, in the background of fighting terror, we can hear Muslims promoting peace and nothing else, we can save them from themselves, and win the "greater jihad" in the process.

There are things that have to be taken into consideration now that the west is so indebted to the oil prodicing nations. (1) Taqiyya, Politically it means simulate whatever status you need in order to win the war against the enemy. (2) the Treaty of Hudaibiya.

Islamists can say what they want... just don't believe them, because they're just gaining time until they're strong enough to take over.

273 jacketch  Fri, Jul 6, 2007 7:50:21am

#91
Will the next step be the appointment of a "moslem" advisor to a cabinet position. You know, like the Secretary of Dhimmi Affairs or Secretary of More Than Equal Opportunity? Maybe we should judt go ahead and appoint a Sharia judge to the SCOTUS.

I think Grover Nordquist would fit that bill.

274 Nannette  Fri, Jul 6, 2007 9:00:05am

re: #273 jacketch

Will the next step be the appointment of a "moslem" advisor to a cabinet position. You know, like the Secretary of Dhimmi Affairs or Secretary of More Than Equal Opportunity? Maybe we should judt go ahead and appoint a Sharia judge to the SCOTUS.

The UK already have an official advisor - Tariq Ramadan!

275 Dom  Fri, Jul 6, 2007 10:25:13am

re: #272 Nannette

Hi Nannette,

Expansion is definitely the lynchpin of the Islamist ideology, and present also in the minds of most Muslims through their dawa. I also hold that there is room for spiritual, apolitical Muslims, and wouldn't want to discourage them from counter-recruiting.

In any event the BBC and CNN absolutely should not invite the MCB or MPAC or CAIR into the studio for a response to terrorism.


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