They're still trying to clear the mosque compound and are concerned that there are still militants and jihadis barricaded in various places around the mosque.

If I were the Pakistanis, I'd be concerned about booby traps that could make the Beslan massacre look like a walk in the park.

Don't let your prayer mat slap you on the way out! See ya!

You would think the Pakistanis would know better than to attack a Holy Muslim site.

Oh wait, some militaries aren't hamstrung by PC crap.

Guy is raging right now after realizing the whole 72 virgin thing was a crock...

HAH!
Chaulk another dirtbag up!

Oh yes- hide in a house of worship and behind women and children, too. What noble warriors! Why did any of this take eight days to unfold when a few bombs could have finished it in one hour? Enough with this nonsense! Get rid of these butchers!

Celebration time, COME ON!

re: #4 WeaselZipper

Guy is raging right now after realizing the whole 72 virgin thing was a crock...

All 72 have a headache.

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, Musharraf had tried to avoid precisely this outcome. They had tried negotiating amensty and releases of those inside, but the last of those talks failed last night. Minutes after they failed, the assault on the mosque began in earnest.

Hizbullah to attend a conference in Paris

Hizbullah will attend this weekend's Lebanon conference in Paris despite French President Nicolas Sarkozy's comments that the Shi'ite Muslim group is a terrorist organization, the group said Tuesday.

Sarkozy made the remarks during a meeting Monday with the families of three captive Israeli soldiers, including two seized by Hizbullah last summer.

Hizbullah has not released any details on the two soldiers' conditions or provided any sign they are still alive.

Sarkozy's comments came as a surprise given that France invited Hizbullah to participate in a conference of 14 Lebanese factions in Paris this weekend to address the country's political deadlock.

Remember we'd here a little party after Sarkozy has been elected?

Martyred in a basement.

Suits me.

"The body of Abdul Rashid Ghazi, who earlier had predicted that his “martyrdom was certain”, was discovered in a basement this afternoon. "

there still ain't no Werner Von Braun's in that bunch is there?

Good going, Musharraf!

...hundreds of women and children are thought to be still holed up in underground bunkers, as the last remaining militants mount a desperate defence.

What's a mosque without underground bunkers?

My biggest fear is what lies ahead in the coming days.

Will this be seen as a good thing or a bad thing by the majority of the Pakistani peeps.

Theres no way this is connected to Islam or Muslims.

Buddhist have clearly seized the mosque (saw it on NBC news).

re: #17 Omega

Nope. It's the damned Amish again...

:-p

re: #6 Joan Not of Arc

The reason this didn't end with a bombing run is because no one was quite sure who was in the mosque, and whether everyone was there willingly. It became apparent that the thugs inside were holding quite a few people against their will - even shooting some who tried to make a run for it. The estimates range from about 100 upwards to nearly 1000 people who were held against their will.

Damn Buddhists

Of course the Islamists need to vent their rage over this...
Yahoo pic

A man examines the damage at the tented offices of a Western aid agency after it was ransacked by angry protesters in Battagram, 200 km (125 miles) from Islamabad July 10, 2007. The protesters were protesting against an assault by Pakistani forces on the Lal Masjid or Red Mosque. Pakistani forces stormed the mosque compound on Tuesday,...

Mosques by definition are ammo dumps and fortresses to propogate the caliphate. This is a harbinger of things to come world-wide.

can I ululululu now?

I do wonder how the British can discuss this issue since the PM has said they can't use certain words. I would love to watch the linguistic gymnastics involved in that.

re: #21 Killgore Trout

I camped there once. Thought it looked familiar.

re: #8 JamesTKirk

No, all 72 are PMS'ing.

Where's rage boy?

Western authorities and media were still puzzled by what could have drawn such a diverse group of people involved in activities together at the Red Mosque.

re: #23 Eric Cartman's Conscience

No. No Ululululing stuff.

Good for Musharraf.

re: #24 Just_A_Grunt

How's that?

The New Strategy in Iraq
General Petraeus learns from past U.S. mistakes.
by Frederick W. Kagan & Kimberly Kagan

LESSONS OF THE PAST

A number of clear lessons drawn from these operations have informed the current strategy. First, political progress by itself will not reduce the violence. From May 2003 through mid-2006, the Bush administration and the military command focused on political progress as the key. The transfer of sovereignty in mid-2004, the election of a Transitional National Assembly in January 2005, the approval of a new constitution by referendum in October 2005, and the election of a fresh National Assembly in December 2005 were all expected to subdue violence by creating an inclusive and balanced government. Throughout this period, American armed forces tried to stay in the background, keeping their "footprint" minimal and pushing the nascent Iraqi Security Forces into the lead. Violence steadily increased. Sunni insurgents and al Qaeda terrorists dug into cities that U.S. forces left open, and Shia militias took control of abandoned Shia lands.

...Political progress and political solutions are essential to ultimate success in counterinsurgency, but they must often be complemented by major military operations sustained over a long time.

Good article, about what is happening now and where it's going. Interesting point: the 1st "lesson learned" of past mistakes, that is, the previous US strategy of pushing a political solution while focusing on training the Iraqi army & keeping US troops on big bases failed spectacularily! This is now exactly the plan advocated by the Democrats & Rinos in Congress.

CNN reported that he was 'caught in the cross-fire'.
Like he was an innocent by-stander or something...

wow, great story.
Can you imagine the SAS storming Canterbury Cathedral with guns blazing?
Wait for the Western enablers to start mouthing off about undue use of force.

America,...World... TAKE NOTICE ! This is the way to handle this problem of the hate spewing Clerics everywhere...

re: #27 Ringo the Gringo

You just beat me Ringo

AND THE OTHER BIG HEADLINE

"Pope says other Christian denominations not true churches"

Anyone want to take bets on which story makes it into the most 'discussion' news shows?

re: #30 rtheyserius

Good for Musharraf.

don't get excited. He's still no freind of the West. It's all about retaining power!

re: #27 Ringo the Gringo

Where's rage boy?

I just checked yahoo pics for him. No sightings yet.

#22 mbruce

thankfully, then, we'll become increasingly confident in bombing these "places of worship" when the assholes are firing from the minarets . I liked what Pervez said a few days ago - something like "I will be more than happy to kill them, but then the news will show the pictures and call me a murderer. If the news doesn't show up, I take them out."

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #22 mbruce

Mosques by definition are ammo dumps and fortresses to propogate the caliphate. This is a harbinger of things to come world-wide.

I often wonder why mosques seems so strategically placed, there is a great big one in NJ across the river from NYC.

I guess is muslims attack mosques it's okay!
We should be doing it too

re: #38 paxnhymn

Yeah. And if we could just get him to do a little bit more of the "retaining power thingy" we would all be a little better off.

Like in Waziristan.

Bulldoze the place and build a real school.

*hums the tune to "Another One Bites the Dust"*

Alright, that sets the mood for this wannabe-Monday Tuesday.

re: #40 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Musharraf has been directing the security forces to keep the journalists well away from Lal masjid, which has meant that they've had to view things from a distance. Some took to viewing things from a nearby hospital where some victims were being taken. Others report having been beaten by security forces after being found within the security cordon.

re: #40 Eric Cartman's Conscience

He said that? I missed that? Wow...where did that backbone spring up from?

The whole poisonous soup (Lebanon, Gaza, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan) is boiling.

I am very worried.

What's the betting they find Lord Lucan down there somewhere

re: #46 Scoreboard44

Wow...where did that backbone spring up from?

He's only survived, what, a half dozen assassination attempts.

re: #49 Dar ul Harb

Yeah, but that's called being able to dance.

re: #18 paxnhymnNo it's NOT the Amish - I keep tellin' y'all that it's the Mennonites who dress just like the Amish, but do use electricity and stuff from time to time and they like to lay the blame for this on the Amish who don't have a clue what's going on!

Didn't I see this exact same scenario last week on Little Mosque on the Prairie?

Islamic Rage Boy's systolic pressure msut be off the chart.

What other type of religious school could hold off an army?!?
anyone...
anyone...?

I'm starting to see a pattern here...

re: #52 Eagle

Didn't I see this exact same scenario last week on Little Mosque on the Prairie?

I missed that episode. LOL

Pathans, Pashtuns... Always causing trouble on that North-Western Frontier, mostly among themselves. They stayed quiet during the Mutiny of '57, what? I say keep an eye on it, and pass the decanter of port.

re: #47 Poitiers-Lepanto

The whole poisonous soup (Lebanon, Gaza, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan) is boiling.

I am very worried.

We'd have been much fruther along if the US could have presented a united front instead of devolving into "give peace a chance" crap again.

America and allies that were less appeasement oriented would have kept the heat down. Rinos and donks have hurt the effort against Islamists immeasurably.

[Link: americansagainsthate.blogspot.com...]

Hmmm...what kind of odds do you think I could get that there are some underground bunkers involved with these complexes?

Nah...they're probably just sewing quilts or something...

re: #54 Granitebill

What other type of religious school could hold off an army?!?
anyone...
anyone...?

Shaolin Temple?

OT: Dark Side Chipmonk

With 3 US carriers now near or nearing Iran, I wonder how the pizza delivery business is doing in Washington DC these days? Speak softly and all that..

The American politician sounding the alarm about the Iranian threat most articulately at the moment is Senator Lieberman, Independent of Connecticut. "The Iranian government by its actions has declared war on us," Mr. Lieberman said in a July 2 press release. "The United States government has a responsibility to use all instruments at its disposal to stop these terrorist attacks against our soldiers and allies in Iraq — including keeping open the possibility of using military force against the terrorist infrastructure inside Iran."

#34 paulo

Can you imagine the SAS storming Canterbury Cathedral with guns blazing?

Ah, but could you ever imagine the a band of armed Anglican priests barricading themselves in the Canterbury Cathedral in the first place?

Maybe that's because Anglicans aren't a "religion of peace". That must be it.

Open another box of raisins, Stan.

Firing from minarets? When our guys in Iraq damaged one of the goofy things defending themselves there was a world wide outcry.
Slightly off of point. Did you ever notice how many holy cities there are in Islam?
It would not suprise me to hear Peoria referred to "The 800th most holy city in Islam. It is revealed that the prophet once had a vision of buying a slurppie there at a 7/11.

re: #15 Ringo the Gringo

...hundreds of women and children are thought to be still holed up in underground bunkers, as the last remaining militants mount a desperate defence.

What's a mosque without underground bunkers?

I have often wondered what was in those things and how much they were altered after the building inspectors left

Abdul Rashid Ghazi

By the way, ghazi means "holy warrior."

Buh Bye cult members...

What ever happened to strapping on some Nike shoes, wrapping up in a space cape and nodding off with a cyanide cocktail?

re: #37 eowyn2

And the Christian Churches think the Catholic Church is the "Great Babylon" of Revelation.

Friday prayers this week in Pakistan could prove interesting.

re: #60 Killgore Trout

STOP WITH THE PRAIRIE DOG STUFF!...Good lord. I almost crapped my pants again. That's one I haven't seen.

re: #61 daughter of patriots

Lieberman seems to be the only one with a lick of sense and I'm sure the press will discount everything he says because of his religion.

What other type of religious school could hold off an army?!?
anyone...
anyone...?

Okay, you got me grasshopper...
maybe I should have added "in the 21st century, what other type of religious school could hold off an army?!? "

re: #66 godfrey

Abdul Rashid Ghazi

By the way, ghazi means "holy warrior."

Well, now it means "dead MF"...

re: #65 SpartanWoman
Pakistan Rebel Mosque Leader Killed

Sky News producer Chiade O'Shea, in Islamabad, said militants planted booby-traps, as they retreated through the compound.

She added troops were using dynamite to blast their way into some of the rooms where defenders had fortified doors.

re: #57 SpartanWoman

re: #47 Poitiers-Lepanto

The whole poisonous soup (Lebanon, Gaza, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan) is boiling.

I am very worried.

We'd have been much fruther along if the US could have presented a united front instead of devolving into "give peace a chance" crap again.

America and allies that were less appeasement oriented would have kept the heat down. Rinos and donks have hurt the effort against Islamists immeasurably.

That's nice and all, SpartanWoman. Probably true, too. But, like locking the barn door after the horse has escaped, too late to even bother laying blame. I'm with Poitiers-Lepanto. With the entire islamic world apparently gone mad and seemingly ready to go to war with each other, I'm worried too. I fully expect any day now to see Israel in the direct line of fire from everyone from Turkey to Pakistan.

Is it wrong for me to feel happy this idiot has gone to meet his maker?

/naaawww

On a more serious note, i am concerned about the effect this will have on the stability of the Musharraf government. While i have no real love for him, the worst thing that could happen is for their nukes to fall under the control of the more radicalized elements of Pakistani society.

Though I don't think India would just sit by quietly.

re: #70 Scoreboard44

There are dozens of them. They're getting more elaborate.

The Pakistani 'special forces' took some heavy losses. and you jsut know that quite a few women and children got wasted too.

re: #57 SpartanWoman

We'd have been much further along if the US could have presented a united front instead of devolving into "give peace a chance" crap again. America and allies that were less appeasement oriented would have kept the heat down. Rinos and donks have hurt the effort against Islamists immeasurably.

Immeasurably.

re: #27 Ringo the Gringo

Where's rage boy?

What time is it in India?
Rage boy doesn't rage before noon.

Hmm..."siege cleric." Is that the Paki version of an "assault weapon?"

#47 Poitiers-Lepanto

The whole poisonous soup (Lebanon, Gaza, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan) is boiling.

I am very worried.

Me too. This is not a victory for Musharraf. This was an event staged by the Islamists to provoke the regime to take strong action, which will only increase hatred of his rule by the average Pakistani.

re: #37 eowyn2

and he can kiss my protestant ass as well..

re: #77 Killgore Trout

I've seen just the original and the pirate one. that's it.

Amazing how an attempt on one's life tends to focus the mind. Musharraf, tried to walk a tightrope. Now the gauntlet is thrown.

-S-

They just never get it, do they? It's 72 year old virgin.

re: #51 realwest

Hueterites.

re: #75 galloping granny

Yes, I forgot Turkey in my list of nasty ingredients.

re: #86 EC Marm

AAUUGGHHH!

Another connotation for the "RED" mosque.

Is there any other kind?

Kenneth

What's the "average Pakistani" like? Musharraf has been working with the U.S. for years and hasn't gone down yet in any public insurrection. How is this any different?

Raja Asghar, 62, a retired government official, said he failed to understand how the militants stockpiled arms and ammunition in a mosque in the centre of the capital.

"People would be right in thinking if such a thing can happen in Islamabad, how much worse is it elsewhere?"

He's got a point...

I knew they would be able to blame the Americans!

"We condemn the attack. Everything Musharraf does is to please the Americans," said electronics shop owner Amir Hamza.

[Link: www.alertnet.org...]

re: #82 Kenneth

#47 Poitiers-Lepanto

The whole poisonous soup (Lebanon, Gaza, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan) is boiling.

I am very worried.

Me too. This is not a victory for Musharraf. This was an event staged by the Islamists to provoke the regime to take strong action, which will only increase hatred of his rule by the average Pakistani.

I'm not so sure about that. There are more than a few parents upset at the "education" their daughters have received.

The mosque was a target.

re: #90 Mr Spiffy

Another connotation for the "RED" mosque.

Is there any other kind?

what the hell does that mean anyway? Communist Jihadis?

re: #82 Kenneth

This was an event staged by the Islamists to provoke the regime to take strong action, which will only increase hatred of his rule by the average Pakistani.

I agree. It smells.

re: #87 eowyn2 Um, what? (or who?)?!

Where's the "lavender mosque"?

re: #4 WeaselZipper

Guy is raging right now after realizing the whole 72 virgin thing was a crock...

F'ugly?

re: #94 Ojoe

The mosque was a target.

Rightfully so

We are such easy scapegoats for the Muslim world these days. The Pakistanis have been so filled with hatred for the West, that any bad event becomes the fault of the West and provides a ready excuse for violence and looting.

Where does it end?

Gotta Go.

Angry Muslims in the nearby city of Battagram showed their displeasure by attacking a Western aid agency:

Gee, I hope there aren't any McDonalds in Battagram ...

re: #75 galloping granny

True enough but learning from western stupidity may help us avoid peacenik nonsense in the future...actually we should have learned from Viet Nam. I guess it's hopeless.

Of course Israel is in the line of fire, and with my husband leaving for Israel on Friday, I am very concerned. And that's where libs fall down again. I have had lib friends admit that they believe that the demise of Israel (of course they would move all Israelis safely here) would end this mess once and for all. The world is glitteringly naive.

re: #98 godfrey

Where's the "lavender mosque"?

I think it's being built in West Hollywood...

re: #78 Infidelsalwayswin

The Pakistani 'special forces' took some heavy losses. and you jsut know that quite a few women and children got wasted too.

Yeah, so far all we're hearing is troop and militant body counts. Some civilians had to be killed especially if it's true that there were 15 suicide vests in the joint.

*who are argue such groups are somehow deserving of the protections of the law...

I will never, ever understand why Muslims feel the need to DESTROY something (especially something set up to aid them - see the Greenhouses in "palistine") every fucking time they get pissed off about something. Never understand it.

re: #106 Golem Akbar

re: #98 godfrey

Where's the "lavender mosque"?

I think it's being built in West Hollywood...

I would think it would be in the Castro District.

"Rehmatullah Khalil, a senior cleric who was part of a 12-member delegation of mediators that attempted to forge a last minute deal, accused Gen Musharraf of sabotaging a draft agreement to end the siege.
"We were happy and hoping that the nation will hear a good news, but the government changed almost all clauses of the draft agreement," he said. "The government is responsible for today's bloodshed." "

What is he complaining about? I thought the koran teaches them that it is OK to dishonor agreements with their enemies?

re: #68 jcm

re: #37 eowyn2

And the Christian Churches think the Catholic Church is the "Great Babylon" of Revelation.

In case anyone else hasn't mentioned this: not all believe this. This isn't a churchwide thing, anyway.

(Apologies to Talking Heads fans)

Heard of a mosque that is loaded with weapons
Packed up and ready to blow

"A man examines the damage at the tented offices of a Western aid agency after it was ransacked by angry protesters in Battagram, 200 km (125 miles) from Islamabad July 10, 2007. The protesters were protesting against an assault by Pakistani forces on the Lal Masjid or Red Mosque."

Since when is it "protesters" who destroy property, burning, pillaging, etc.? Sounds to me like they are rioters, not protesters. Big difference.

Can;t Musharraf come out and say that the occupiers of the mosque were defiling it?

re: #25 Scoreboard44

re: #21 Killgore Trout

I camped there once. Thought it looked familiar.

I got drunk there once!

/Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet, Sock Puppet

The piggish masses might have wanted their mullah to go out in a blaze of glory, leaping up to Allah on a pillar of flame, AK in hand. Only to find out that he bought it in a crossfire in a basement, cornered like a rat. The final banality of evil. Sic transit gloria effin' mundi, A-hole.

#88 Poitiers-Lepanto

Turkey is a force for stability in the region. The current gov't is Islamist, and evil scum for that, but the Turkish army is still commanded by secular Kemalists. If it comes down to a big shooting war, they will be on our side. There is a reason Turkey has good relations with Israel, icluding military contacts.

re: #102 Les Spain

It never ends, simply because it's easier to blame someone (Jooos, The West, etc.) than admit you have problems as a culture and a nation.

re: #81 Burkha, Flies and a Shiekh

Hmm..."siege cleric." Is that the Paki version of an "assault weapon?"

Semi-automatic fatwa launcher and a pistol grip.

...yep, that's the one!

(You've got the best nic of the hatchlings, to be sure.)

re: #111 beblebrox

re: #106 Golem Akbar

re: #98 godfrey

Where's the "lavender mosque"?

I think it's being built in West Hollywood...

I would think it would be in the Castro District.

and they would expand the foot washing basins into a fully functional bath house

IT IS ALL THE FAULT OF THE JOOOSSS

musharaf is really a JOOO

(scarsism need i?)

*who argue

!

/I need a secretary.

US Navy moving another carrier group to Iraq area

and in other news:
U.S. Navy sends third carrier to 5th fleet region:
ANAMA (Reuters) - The U.S. navy has sent a third aircraft carrier to its Fifth Fleet area of operations, which includes Gulf waters close to Iran, the navy said on Tuesday.
(Advertisement)

"Enterprise (aircraft carrier) provides navy power to counter the assertive, disruptive and coercive behaviour of some countries, as well as support our soldiers and marines in Iraq and Afghanistan," a U.S. Navy statement said.

re: #91 godfrey

The Pakistani economy has been doing exceptionally well these last few years.

re: #111 beblebrox

re: #106 Golem Akbar

re: #98 godfrey

Where's the "lavender mosque"?

I think it's being built in West Hollywood...

I would think it would be in the Castro District.

Same same

A man examines the damage at the tented offices of a Western aid agency after it was ransacked by angry protesters in Battagram, 200 km (125 miles) from Islamabad July 10, 2007. The protesters were protesting against an assault by Pakistani forces on the Lal Masjid or Red Mosque. REUTERS/Ibrar Tanoli (PAKISTAN)

Islam, the only "religion" where apples are equivalent to basalt.

re: #110 realwest

I will never, ever understand why Muslims feel the need to DESTROY something (especially something set up to aid them - see the Greenhouses in "palistine") every fucking time they get pissed off about something. Never understand it.

Exactly. And since when is that called 'protesting'?!

re: #64 opnion

I think Peoria is slightly farther down the list behind Vatican City, Buckingham Palace (I'm sure there were great Muslim explorers with the Romans:) Not to mention Salt Lake City, St Petersburgh, etc

I'm sure Peoria is above Two Dot, MT though.

OT: but a great Spectator article

We are up against 20 years of planning

It dawned on me after the 7/7 bombings that the seeds of extremism were sown all over Great Britain well before 1989 and that indeed it had been allowed to flourish undeterred in this country for more than 20 years. We in Britain are not fighting a new phenomenon that raised it ugly head in 2005; we are fighting more than 20 years of planning and preparation by those who want Britain to be an Islamic state.

re: #110 realwest

I will never, ever understand why Muslims feel the need to DESTROY something (especially something set up to aid them - see the Greenhouses in "palistine") every fucking time they get pissed off about something. Never understand it.

caveman mentality... with all due respect to cavemen, of course.

OT: Sands of Passion..like infidels through an hour glass, episode 9 now available for your viewing pleasure.

re: #122 Shug

re: #111 beblebrox

re: #106 Golem Akbar

re: #98 godfrey

Where's the "lavender mosque"?

I think it's being built in West Hollywood...

I would think it would be in the Castro District.

and they would expand the foot washing basins into a fully functional bath house

Kinda hard to back a goat up to a... never mind, that's just begging to get deleted.

re: #75 galloping granny

...I'm worried too. I fully expect any day now to see Israel in the direct line of fire from everyone from Turkey to Pakistan.

Any day now? I'm not that worried. The Muslim countries are a tinderbox, only wanting a spark. But without nukes and armies, they haven't really got much tinder except for rage in the streets and terrorist attacks.

Pakistan has both nukes and an army, which is why it's very important for Musharraf to "retain power" and take actions like attacking the Red Mosque. If he's ever assassinated, then get very worried. Or if Iran gets nukes, worry a lot!

Right now, though, Musharraf's action is a good sign, not a bad sign -- for the short term

re: #107 Ojoe

re: #101 LizardBennet

I got deleted only once, and it was for the three words, mosque means target.

Considering that Islamists have declared war on western civilization, and mosques are the places where Islamists ply their ideology, the logical conclusion would be that mosques should be targets of intense scrutiny. If they don't hold up to scrutiny, well then...we gotta do what we gotta do.

re: #135 paxnhymn

We are heading for deletions here ...

re: #116 godfrey

Can;t Musharraf come out and say that the occupiers of the mosque were defiling it?

I have not noticed any clerics announcing that violence defiles islam. That view seems to be a western creation.

re: #138 Ojoe

yawn...I'm overdue anyway...

re: #137 LizardBennet

For what it matters, I agree with your comment.

Off to work now ...

re: #113 vxbush

I know, just a snark at the expenses of the Pontif.

This guy was trying to live the liberal dream, and he wasn't even Muslim.

Anti-War, al-Qaeda Sympathizer Charged With Plot to Bomb Gas Pipelines...

A Pennsylvania man who sympathized with al Qaeda plotted to blow up U.S. energy installations in a bid to drive up gas prices and prompt a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, prosecutors alleged on Monday.

Defendant Michael Curtis Reynolds believed gasoline prices could hit "astronomical" levels if he succeeded in attacking the Alaska pipeline or the Transcontinental Pipeline connecting the Gulf of Mexico and the U.S. Northeast, a jury heard in federal court.

#91 godfrey

What's the "average Pakistani" like? Musharraf has been working with the U.S. for years and hasn't gone down yet in any public insurrection. How is this any different?

With any big country, the term average is misleading. There is a middle class in Pakistan -educated & relatively prosperous. They want democracy & hate Musharref becuse he is a militarist dictator. Then there is a huge poor population, illiterate, ignorant and religious. They want a true Islamic state & hate Musharref becuse he's modern & secular.

So far Musharraf has dodged a handful of assassination attempts. Eventually, they will get lucky and he will be killed.

re: #139 SpartanWoman

re: #116 godfrey

Can;t Musharraf come out and say that the occupiers of the mosque were defiling it?

He doesn't have to. Muslims already understand Muslim on Muslim violence; the western media just ignore it.

TO: Charles Johnson, et al.
RE: Prima Facia Evidence

"Angry Muslims in the nearby city of Battagram showed their displeasure by attacking a Western aid agency:" -- Charles Johnson

This is a superb example of the insanity inside the way these people think. Scientologists would call them 'Suppressives'; one of the most evil forms of human behavior. Whether you liked L. Ron Hubbard or not, he did have some useful observations on the human condition and recognition of 'suppressive' people was one of them. You can recognize them by the way the deal with anger. The classic example is someone who kicks the cat because the dog made a mess on the carpet.

This business in Battagram is just that sort of think...

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Cthulhu for President -- for when you're tired of choosing the *lesser* of the two evils.]

re: #15 Ringo the Gringo

...hundreds of women and children are thought to be still holed up in underground bunkers, as the last remaining militants mount a desperate defence.

What's a mosque without underground bunkers?

re: #36 CAD Daddy

re: #27 Ringo the Gringo

You just beat me Ringo

Etc.

Me too.

Again, IF ONLY we had set a policy on starting in Iraq, that any shooting from a mosque and we level it. Period. I gather we are quietly at least allowing our troops to shoot back at them now, but I'm calling for a much clearer message. Oh yes, it's all about communications, and sometimes it has to be LOUD!

re: #6 Joan Not of Arc

Oh yes- hide in a house of worship and behind women and children, too. What noble warriors! Why did any of this take eight days to unfold when a few bombs could have finished it in one hour? Enough with this nonsense! Get rid of these butchers!

Eh, and why not? The jihadniks weren't going anywhere, and maybe they'd have given up on their own. Pakistanis decided to get rid of this nest of vipers, they could afford to wait, human shields (especially ones that were working for the other side -- what are you going to do if we don't go away? kill some of your own people?) or no.

re: #87 eowyn2

re: #51 realwest

Hueterites.

Hutterites won't kill you. They'll just negotiate the shirt off your back, and make you feel bad about it in the process ;-)

Angry Muslims in the nearby city of Battagram showed their displeasure by attacking a Western aid agency

D*mn. Looks like a palestinian greenhouse.

re: #83 paxnhymn

That may be so. The point is that his statement - an idea held by every individual Christian Sect - WILL be more battered around by the MSM than the bunkers, kidnappers, murderers at the Red Mosque. the reason is so obvious 'because the pope wont send an army of angry Catholics out to kill, maim, behead anyone who says a bad word about him.

re: #142 jcm

re: #113 vxbush

I know, just a snark at the expenses of the Pontif.

Hm. Apparently my snark detection device is on the fritz.

re: #140 paxnhymn

Not anymore.

#150 sharmuta
heh.

Religion of (rest in) peace

re: #37 eowyn2

"Pope says other Christian denominations not true churches"

You have a link for that or was that sarc?

116 godfrey 7/10/2007 8:59:13 am PDT reply quote

Can;t Musharraf come out and say that the occupiers of the mosque were defiling it?

You would think so. But then that would be pro-active. Can't have any of that.

why do students always think they're so gol darn important?

re: #138 Ojoe

re: #135 paxnhymn

We are heading for deletions here ...

Hmm, I may have just launched a candidate for deletion.

I recall several years ago multiple incidents where some Pakistani "diplomats" were caught at their embassy and residences in Kathmandu with quantity of RDX and forced out of the country.

Seems the stuff is as readily available as naan over yonder.

From Hot Air Headlines: Al-Qaeda's number 2 threatens Britain in new audio tape

Al-Qaeda's No. 2 issued a new audiotape on Tuesday threatening to retaliate against Britain for having honored novelist Salman Rushdie, a US-based intelligence monitoring group said.

Ayman al-Zawahri's 20 minute speech was entitled "Malicious Britain and its Indian Slaves."

All out Jihad on India?

re: #154 MrMom

i heard that phrase, religion of 'rest in peace' on some talk show yesterday. sean hannity, michael nedved, one of those. first time i had heard it.

re: #155 TimeQuake

Pope: Other Christians Not True Churches

151 & 152

I know . I just get aggravated at the bloviations of the condescending bishop of Rome. Who the hell is he? Hell, if you read your history right, he's not the true Pope, or his pompous ass would still be in Constantinople, so there...

#146 Chuck Pelto

L. Ron Hubbard my ass. Freud called that behavior "transferrence" decades before Hubbard wrote his first crappy novel. Hubbard's only insight into human nature was how to make a buck off the human gullability and to how to exploit neurotics.

killgore

In Islam, it's always pre-1947.

In fact, you might even call it "pre-historic."

{self deletion}

re: #164 Kenneth

#146 Chuck Pelto

L. Ron Hubbard my ass. Freud called that behavior "transferrence" decades before Hubbard wrote his first crappy novel. Hubbard's only insight into human nature was how to make a buck off the human gullability and to how to exploit neurotics.

L. Ron Paul Hubbard

re: #160 Killgore Trout

With all those Zawahiri tapes, one has to wonder what Osama is up to these days? Pushing up daisies I presume. No audio or video from him in quite some time.

re: #167 LizardBennet

HA HA HA

re: #13 paxnhymn

"The body of Abdul Rashid Ghazi, who earlier had predicted that his “martyrdom was certain”, was discovered in a basement this afternoon. "

there still ain't no Werner Von Braun's in that bunch is there?

Please clarify. You will recall that von Braun was a brilliant, but I think amoral, master engineer. He did beautiful work on the US space program, but also built rockets for Hitler. Unfortunately, the jihadniks do have a few rocket scientists of their own, and apparently, even a Hizbullist in Gaza can ram some solid fuel into a tube and launch it.

re: #170 amphibian

They've got the Eva Braun thing down pat though...

re: #105 SpartanWoman

re: #75 galloping granny

True enough but learning from western stupidity may help us avoid peacenik nonsense in the future...actually we should have learned from Viet Nam. I guess it's hopeless.

Of course Israel is in the line of fire, and with my husband leaving for Israel on Friday, I am very concerned. And that's where libs fall down again. I have had lib friends admit that they believe that the demise of Israel (of course they would move all Israelis safely here) would end this mess once and for all. The world is glitteringly naive.

Unfortunately, we are not going to learn, anymore than we learned after Vietnam. When I was a girl I woke up one night to the sound of someone yelling and banging, scared by all the noise. Turned out to be Kruschev on the radio, pounding his shoe on the podium while he vowed that he would take down the US from within. It continues right on target.

The same communist front groups that were banned during the Vietnam Era are active today on every college campus in the nation - and mostly considered respectable rather than revolutionary. The fact that Students for a Democratic Society is a communist group vowed to the destruction of the United States and the overthrow of our government and our Constitution seems to have been swept right under the rug.

Antisemitism is alive and well like never before in my memory. I read an opinion piece this morning (Jpost I believe), whose author stated in no uncertain terms that Jews were in more danger worldwide than at any time since 1938. Consider that well, because in 1938 Hitler had not yet started rounding up the Jews, Israel had not yet gained independence and been invaded by every arab country in the mideast . . .

It is not that we do not know - we do. Unfortunately, we are infested - and have been for more than 50 years - with an all too large group of people that is determined to destroy us. We have let them acquire huge power, in our media & most especially in our schools. And they have become pretty effective at silencing those who would oppose them with accusations of racism, "islamophobia", not PC, "offensive" speech. Sometimes I wonder if it isn't simply too late to stem the tide.

re: #143 WeaselZipper

Hmmm. "Attempted damaging of an interstate pipeline". There's a charge you don't see every day. It looks like Shannon Rossmiller is the hero on this one. Good catch.

Where is Rage Boy?

...hundreds of women and children are thought to be still holed up in underground bunkers, as the last remaining militants mount a desperate defence.

What is it with those in the middle east and them being found in hole's in the ground?

re: #170 amphibian

it was a genius level IQ reference...

re: #95 paxnhymn

I don't know why it was called the Red Mosque in the first place; but now blood has been spilled on (spit) holy ground (spit) and that was my original thought.

re: #175 Sponge

one shithole is as good as another...

Isn't there some way we could just fence them all in together and keep them there... ship them free food and medical supplies (it won't make any difference)... and just wait until they relieve the world of the problem of their existence?

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Thanks KT.

re: #179 nonic

Working on alternative energy & conservation would help with the isolationof these backwards areas.

re: #161 bosforus

re: #154 MrMom

i heard that phrase, religion of 'rest in peace' on some talk show yesterday. sean hannity, michael nedved, one of those. first time i had heard it.

Michael Savage

A man examines the damage at the tented offices of a Western aid agency after it was ransacked by angry protesters in Battagram, 200 km (125 miles) from Islamabad July 10, 2007.

Are 'swarms' reserved for cars only, or can they do buildings too?

re: #162 Killgore Trout

re: #155 TimeQuake

Pope: Other Christians Not True Churches

From the Vatican Site

re: #168 lawhawk

re: #160 Killgore Trout

With all those Zawahiri tapes, one has to wonder what Osama is up to these days? Pushing up daisiesragweed I presume. No audio or video from him in quite some time.

better?

re: #100 kulthur

Well you certainly got in all the ammunition that the left leaning blogs need to point out how dangerous the folks over at LGF are.
Moderation my friend in all things.

re: #168 lawhawk

I think there was an audio tape from him not too long ago but I think you might be right.

re: #183 Granitebill

I think anything can be swarmed. Its the response, not the target.

TO: Kenneth
RE: Still...

"Freud called that behavior "transferrence" [sic] decades before Hubbard wrote his first crappy novel." -- Kenneth

...and all...

...their behavior is a great example of their neurosis. Don't you think?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Like your attack on me for mentioning L. Ron Hubbard.

re: #183 Granitebill

Are 'swarms' reserved for cars only, or can they do buildings too?

Depends. Are there body parts to tear to pieces and wave around?

re: #129 wvobiwan

I don't know why it was called the Red Mosque in the first place; but now blood has been spilled on (spit) holy ground (spit) and that was my original thought.

If you've seen pictures, the source of the name is readily apparent. This particular mosque is a very dark pink - red.

re: #164 Kenneth

#146 Chuck Pelto

L. Ron Hubbard my ass. Freud called that behavior "transference" decades before Hubbard wrote his first crappy novel. Hubbard's only insight into human nature was how to make a buck off the human gullibility and to how to exploit neurotics.

Amen. And rail against psychotherapists - lest any of his followers take to heart Hubbard's diagnosis - paranoid schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur.

re: #68 jcm

8 yrs ago, at my niece's baptism, the Catholic Priest gave a homily on Christianity and the attacks against it. He spoke of all Christians banding together.

1000 yrs ago Christians thought the Celts had horns and tails and that the earth was flat.

Most Christians now know better.

Even though I was raised Catholic, I was never taught that other Christian religions were evil. When I had Sunrise/Sunset sang at my Catholic wedding, there were no comments that it was a "Jewish Song" I didnt even know that there were Christians who were taught that Catholics were bad, that nuns were for the priests sexual pleasure (not the nuns I remember from grade school-yaaagh) I didnt know I was supposed to have horns and a tail. I had attended Luthran and Baptist Sunday school with my cousins. I was never made to feel unwelcome.

re: #186 Just_A_Grunt

Yes, that's a potential delete there at No. 100

re: #182 MrMom

that's the one. i loved how he played it down like it was something awful to say as if he couldn't make up his mind if it was acceptable to like or not.

re: #184 zmdavid

This Pope stinks. The Church is in big trouble with failing to clean up it's sex scandals and sticking to ridiculous and outdated opinions on condoms. I hope the Catholic Church survives Benedict.

OT

Muslim nursery rhymes

IMAM-I-AM

I kill infidels in a box.
I infidels like a fox.
I kill infidels in a house.
I kill infidels in a mosque.
I kill infidels here or there.
I kill infidels anywhere.
I do not like infidels.
I do not like them, Imam-I-am.

re: #184 zmdavid

Thanks zmdavid for the additional info.

I'm stunned.

Up to 1,000 may have been held against their will? Plus the nuts in their of their own free will? I looked at the picture, and it sure don't look like you could even cram 500 people in there. Must be one heck of an underground bunker complex. I wonder if the Mosque's in the U.S. come with the apparent mandatory underground bunker complex?

re: #149 angst

lol

Its good wine.

re: #131 sultan_knish

Excellent article, thanks for the link. People must be reminded, over & over again, the Islamist offensive isn't a reaction to the US invasion of Iraq, and it didn't start on 9-11. The roots go back decades, and this is only the most recent Islamist offensive into Dar al Harb.

re: #184 zmdavid

from the article:
"Christ 'established here on earth' only one church," the document said. The other communities "cannot be called 'churches' in the proper sense" because they do not have apostolic succession - the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ's original apostles.

neither can sir pointy hat unless he's got some old DNA locked away somewhere...

this kinda devicive (sp) crap just torques me...

When (not if) Staunch Ally Pakistan deposes Mushi and goes 100% Islamic and gets into a war with India, who's side is the U.S. going to be on?

What if nukes are used?

re: #80 CAD Daddy

re: #27 Ringo the Gringo

Where's rage boy?

What time is it in India?
Rage boy doesn't rage before noon.

It is true, CAD Daddy. Rage Boy needs his beauty sleep in order to rage effectively. Frankly, I'd say he needs as much beauty sleep as he can get.

#164 K

I resent that, sir. I resent that! John Travolta is a fine actor and a good man. He is a wondrous pilot of the flying airplane. Tom Cruise is handsome and rich and makes a marvelous pancake. All on his own. To call them neurotic shows a devastating lack of understanding of the amazing wonders of Scientology. And both their wives are hot! You, sir, are a "xenuphobe".

/Xenu himself (that's right - it's me himself)

re: #193 eowyn2

re: #68 jcm

8 yrs ago, at my niece's baptism, the Catholic Priest gave a homily on Christianity and the attacks against it. He spoke of all Christians banding together.

1000 yrs ago Christians thought the Celts had horns and tails and that the earth was flat.

Most Christians now know better.

Even though I was raised Catholic, I was never taught that other Christian religions were evil. When I had Sunrise/Sunset sang at my Catholic wedding, there were no comments that it was a "Jewish Song" I didnt even know that there were Christians who were taught that Catholics were bad, that nuns were for the priests sexual pleasure (not the nuns I remember from grade school-yaaagh) I didnt know I was supposed to have horns and a tail. I had attended Luthran and Baptist Sunday school with my cousins. I was never made to feel unwelcome.

The relationships between Catholics and Protestants here in the US have always been a bit better than in Europe, where many a war has been fought over religion over hundreds of years. Even here, though, relations were much less cordial before Vatican II. Everyone was almost dumbfounded when Kennedy was elected POTUS, specifically because he was Catholic.

I like to keep in mind the words of a rather well known Jewish rabbi who lived a couple thousand years ago: "Religion is of man, not of G_d."

killgore et al

Nice to see Levada isn't a pushover.

As for the motu proprio:

On Saturday, Benedict revisited another key aspect of Vatican II by reviving the old Latin Mass. Traditional Catholics cheered the move, but more liberal ones called it a step back from Vatican II.

More cant. Since 1970, the Mass could've been said in Latin, and indeed, it was assumed this would be the case. Read the Constitution on the Liturgy, Sacrosanctum Concilium. "A step back from Vatican II"? LOL That's just demogoguery. Read the documents.

I'm off to Charlottesville for a business trip for the next few days. Play nice until I get back, Lizards!

BBQ'd Jihadi likely to die, according to his doctor.

Apparently there were no more KFC stores in Pakistan left to immolate, so the Rage Boys are now reduced to destroying Western aid offices.

Memo to Rage Boys - not that you care, but if you burn down a Western aid office, you won't be getting any more Western aid.

re: #203 spam spam spam spam

When (not if) Staunch Ally Pakistan deposes Mushi and goes 100% Islamic and gets into a war with India, who's side is the U.S. going to be on?

What if nukes are used?

Turkey?

re: #207 godfrey

Godfrey, could you email me please.

Thanks.

Fuck all the stupid moronic twisted ignorant anti Catholics.

IDIOTS!
The enemy is knocking at the door and you get yourselves in Catholic bashing mode. Are you working for the enemy or something?

Communist and Muslims must love it when Christians fight among themselves.

And for your fucking information, the Catholic Church has saved the world many times down history from muslims and communists.
Of course your ignorance doesn't know this and your fanatical hatred wouldn't want to know it too.

FUCK ANTI CATHOLIC MOTHER EFFERS!

Now, this is LGF's purpose and finality: that non Muslims, non Communists fight among themselves, you stupid haters of Catholicism.

FUCK YOU AGAIN.

re: #196 Killgore Trout

re: #184 zmdavid

This Pope stinks. The Church is in big trouble with failing to clean up it's sex scandals and sticking to ridiculous and outdated opinions on condoms. I hope the Catholic Church survives Benedict.

Trout the Catholic Church has survived a lot worse.

...every time you hear a bell, another jihadi goes to hell...

re: #155 TimeQuake

I didnt link it because I didnt read it. My point was the disparity between the way the red mosque and the pope's statements will be reported. Evidently there are some people on this board who didnt read my entire post.

I dont know about other Christian churches but there is a point in the Catholic mass where everyone reaffirms their faith. The faith creed is

...I believe in one Holy Catholic and Apostolic church...

So ALL popes must believe that the Catholic church is the 'true church' its in the job description.

re: #205 Eric Cartman's Conscience

#164 K

I resent that, sir. I resent that! John Travolta is a fine actor and a good man. He is a wondrous pilot of the flying airplane. Tom Cruise is handsome and rich and makes a marvelous pancake. All on his own. To call them neurotic shows a devastating lack of understanding of the amazing wonders of Scientology. And both their wives are hot! You, sir, are a "xenuphobe".

/Xenu himself (that's right - it's me himself)

Don't forget Greta, No missing coed left behind, Van Sustern.

re: #189 Chuck Pelto

P.S. Like your attack on me for mentioning L. Ron Hubbard.

My comment was only about Hubbard, and to correct your misapprehension that his "psychological insights" were in anyway original. I said nothing at all about you, Chuck. I'm sorry you felt personally attacked.

re: #196 Killgore Trout
I declare fatwah on you Killgore Trout.

re: #206 galloping granny

you're absolutely right granny, religion is from man, but the Rc substitutes the "c" in Christianity for the "c" of control, and that's what it's all about...control.

#215 Too funny! I love "It's A Wonderful Night", not that they aren't running it every hour.

re: #209 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

BBQ'd Jihadi likely to die, according to his doctor.

Re the BBQ'd jihadi -

Sow ---> reap. He is paying his dues.

But in your article I found this little tidbit about the guy that was with BBQ Jihadi -

In Bangalore, India, officials confirmed that Ahmed had worked there as an aeronautical engineer at a company contracted by the biggest names in aviation.

Ahmed worked for Infotech Enterprises, a large outsourcing firm, from December 2005 to August 2006, said the company spokesman K.S. Susindar.

Infotech works with Boeing and Airbus, among others - possibly giving Ahmed access to sensitive design information from the companies.

Sounds to me like a fairly major Oh S*** there.

re: #198 TimeQuake

Did you expect him to say "We Catholics aren't special, all you people going to mass on Sunday, you can go where ever you want. One Christian religions just like the rest"

#205 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Bite my clam!

#213 MigueldowninMexico

An uncharacteristic post from you, but understandable under the circumstances. I'm not Catholic (Lutheran), but respect your Church.

You hit the nail on the head, our enemies love it when we attack one another.

Too much frustration in this post. Sorry it got your blood pressure up.

The rest of you, quit pissing off Miguel. He's making a lot of very good points!

paxnhymn

Yes, because uncontrolled chaos, such as they have in Islam, is so much better.

*sigh*

What a shower these morons are.
Firstly I could care less about the women and children; aren't they the same ones who went there voluntarily for 'lessons'? I seem to recall news articles about these women going out armed and commiting mayhem and kidnapping anyone they considered' un-islamic' for their little re-education classes. Fuck em, what goes around comes around.
I love the way these mutts protest about a mosque being levelled by their own government by looting an aid agency a hundred miles away.
Let em rot; Let em starve.
Scum.

Wonder how many korans were 'defaced' during the raid? That should spark another round of violence around the islamic world!

Just imagine if the U.S. or Israel were forced to be in the shoes of Pakistani military.

Troops fought house-to-house as they battled their way through the mosque complex as militants and radical students returned fire from among the minarets and debris

It's fitna in the ummah.

re: #214 experiencedtraveller

You're probably right but it does seem the Church and it's influence are in rapid decline. I predict it will accelerate under Benedict.

FUCK THE ANTI CATHOLIC SCUM.

I was so happy as usual at LGF and some pieceS of crap had to come to spoil my day.

FUCK YOU ANTI CATHOLIC SCUM!

I'M OUT OF HERE.

FUCK YOU!

#213 MDIM

I don't like Catholics. I don't know...I just don't.

I'm just sayin'...

yeah...I just don't like 'em much...

Now, the Pentacostals, they really know how to light a fire under God's ass. Those folks can worhip!

But Catholics and their repetative jibbah-jabbah? Neh, I don't like 'em much.

re: #213 MigueldowninMexico

nobody hates Catholics, there foul-mouthed Mary worshiper! We just hate it when an old man who doesn't know what the hell he's talkin about starts a flame war...

You guys are overreacting to the Pope's statement.

From the Vatican link:

"It follows that these separated churches and Communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance nor importance in the mystery of salvation. In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been entrusted to the Catholic Church"[12].

All he is saying is that the Catholic Church is Catholic meaning universal.

re: #213 MigueldowninMexico

Fuck all the stupid moronic twisted ignorant anti Catholics.

IDIOTS!
The enemy is knocking at the door and you get yourselves in Catholic bashing mode. Are you working for the enemy or something?

Communist and Muslims must love it when Christians fight among themselves.

And for your fucking information, the Catholic Church has saved the world many times down history from muslims and communists.
Of course your ignorance doesn't know this and your fanatical hatred wouldn't want to know it too.

FUCK ANTI CATHOLIC MOTHER EFFERS!

Now, this is LGF's purpose and finality: that non Muslims, non Communists fight among themselves, you stupid haters of Catholicism.

FUCK YOU AGAIN.

Very Christian of you. All religions are stupid, most more so than Christianity.

re: #213 MigueldowninMexico

Fuck all the stupid moronic twisted ignorant anti Catholics.

IDIOTS!
The enemy is knocking at the door and you get yourselves in Catholic bashing mode. Are you working for the enemy or something?

Communist and Muslims must love it when Christians fight among themselves.

And for your fucking information, the Catholic Church has saved the world many times down history from muslims and communists.
Of course your ignorance doesn't know this and your fanatical hatred wouldn't want to know it too.

FUCK ANTI CATHOLIC MOTHER EFFERS!

Now, this is LGF's purpose and finality: that non Muslims, non Communists fight among themselves, you stupid haters of Catholicism.

FUCK YOU AGAIN.

Miguel, my friend. I don't think these posters are so much "anti Catholic" as they are surprised at what they see as the Pope's attack on their religion.

re: #203 spam spam spam spam

If Pakistan goes jihadi, the US will back India.

I don't think anyone even tried to guess my non-US tornado pick city on the dead thread.

lol

You are all a frickin' SCREAM today. What's next, a virtual burning effigy of Benedict in drag, riding a Serpent? Can you get any more caricatured in your expressions?

#224 K

If you were Kelly Preston or Katie Holmes, I guess I'd have to at least consider it.

re: #216 eowyn2

I'm stunned that the Pope backs down to muslim demands and then says that other Christian churches are not true churches. We all need to be on the same side here and this just seems to make more divisions amongst us.

Divide and conquer. It seems to be working.

The only innocents at the mosque were the boys and girls probably held against their will to some degree. But Abdul Rashid Ghazi got what he deserved. I'll let God take care of him on Judgement Day.

re: #209 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

BBQ'd Jihadi likely to die, according to his doctor.

Too bad, so sad.
Not only that, he seems to have failed his engineering final exams.

Breaking news
Al Qaeda threatens to retaliate against Britain for Rushdie honour

countdown to self-blaming contrition in the UK media 6, 5, 4, 3...

re: #193 eowyn2

I don't really have a problem with the Catholic Church, they can do what ever they please it has zero effect on my beliefs and faith. I do have a doctrinal difference with them.

Brace yourselves for a barrage of stories and pictures from this "atrocity" and "war crime" committed by the "Pakistani government supported by the Bush administration" against "muslim women and children defending themselves in a mosque". + sympathetic stories and pictures about "rage in the muslim world" over this action. The New York Times will milk this for weeks, months to come, with moving portraits of the widows and their unbroken determination, inside accounts of the root causes, etc.

ululululululululul!
[Link: www.snappedshot.com...]
scroll down a little.

re: #234 zmdavid

no he did not use the terms Kathos Holos! The article plainly staes that the ORTHODOX churches are DEFECTIVE and the PROTESTANT churches are not true churches and therefore not means to salvation! In other words, if you're a Baptist, Methodist, etc., etc, he's saying you're going to hell!

and he can still kiss my protestant ass!

There's double fitna in the ummah.

killgore

It's true that the number of Catholics in Europe is in decline, but then, so is the number of European births, period.

As for "influence," well, that's an open question.

re: #244 uptight

haven't they been saying that ever since it happened?

re: #246 Peter Verkooijen

Brace yourselves for a barrage of stories and pictures from this "atrocity" and "war crime" committed by the "Pakistani government supported by the Bush administration" against "muslim women and children defending themselves in a mosque". + sympathetic stories and pictures about "rage in the muslim world" over this action. The New York Times will milk this for weeks, months to come, with moving portraits of the widows and their unbroken determination, inside accounts of the root causes, etc.

You're kidding, right? Only if the U.S. or Israel were put in that position.

re: #233 paxnhymn

re: #213 MigueldowninMexico

nobody hates Catholics, there foul-mouthed Mary worshiper! We just hate it when an old man who doesn't know what the hell he's talkin about starts a flame war...

Lots of people hate Catholics. The Pope didn't start a flame war. The media's selective reporting did.

re: #248 paxnhymn

re: #234 zmdavid

no he did not use the terms Kathos Holos! The article plainly staes that the ORTHODOX churches are DEFECTIVE and the PROTESTANT churches are not true churches and therefore not means to salvation! In other words, if you're a Baptist, Methodist, etc., etc, he's saying you're going to hell!

and he can still kiss my protestant ass!

Word.

re: #195 bosforus

re: #182 MrMom

that's the one. i loved how he played it down like it was something awful to say as if he couldn't make up his mind if it was acceptable to like or not.

He can be wry that way. Adds to my enjoyment of his show!

What became of the children inside the mosque?

re: #196 Killgore Trout

I hope the Catholic Church survives Benedict.

:-) Your hopes will be rewarded.

re: #110 realwest

the reason the mullahs and inmans have their followers destroy stuff is simple.

if they have a chance at a better life, islam will fail as they people see the lies of islam laid bare.

Ghazi is dead. Good, one less wart on the ass of society.

re: #146 Chuck Pelto

yes, and he did have a great sense of humor, that is why he created "scienctology"

re: #253 zmdavid

well zm...nobody here I think. I was an RC all of my life till 1998 when I woke up and pulled a Martin Luther and told a priest point blank that Christ didn't need a go-between, and I was through following rituals..

and for those of you who don't know, the one article that made me leave the church was the 54th one in JPII's Catechism:

The Church validates Scripture

how precocious was that?! God needs to be validated like a parking ticket?! NOT!

re: #253 zmdavid

re: #233 paxnhymn

re: #213 MigueldowninMexico
nobody hates Catholics, there foul-mouthed Mary worshiper! We just hate it when an old man who doesn't know what the hell he's talkin about starts a flame war...

Lots of people hate Catholics. The Pope didn't start a flame war. The media's selective reporting did.

Jeez, folks, chill out! Nobody hates Catholics here. We're all on the same side. Christians and Jews of all stripes can't be fighting among themselves when there is a real attack going on against our shared core beliefs and values.

So unusual for an Imam to go down with his Mosque. Usu sally they try to sneak out in a burqua or something.

re: #213 MigueldowninMexico

Miguel
Christ came to earth to save our souls.
I am a Catholic. That is what I was taught at my Catholic school.

The reactions of some of the people on this board about what the pope said is, in my opinion, quite silly considering that EVERY Christian church from the Catholic Church, to the Angelican Church, to the Lutheran Church, to 7th Day Adventists to Russian Orthodox to the various Protestant Churches, to the Church of Christ and a variety of Born Again Churches and the LDS Church believe that they are the one true church. Else they would not exist as the founders would have had no reason to found another offshoot religion. There would be no reason to keep the 10 different Christian churches in a 6 block radius from my home as everyone would be the exact same.

You had the opportunity to extend the knowledge of these people but you wasted it being venile. Sorry to see that in a fellow Catholic. The Catholic and other Christian and Jewish religions (as well as some Atheists) will be the combatants in this war against Moslem domination. We should never forget that.

Yo, dudes!
whatever..the Reformation is, like, totally over,
it's like so-oo 16th Century

re: #198 TimeQuake

I'm stunned.

Why?

When Protestant groups broke away from the Catholic Church, how could they possibly continue to be part of the Catholic Church?

Why would they want to be?