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Video: The War on Britain's Jews

Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 2:37:07 pm PDT

Here’s an excellent, deeply troubling documentary on the rise of a new antisemitism in Britain, from UK Channel 4, in six parts.

Part 1:

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:39:04pm
2 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:39:14pm

Wow, there's a lot to digest there!

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:43:50pm
4 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:44:18pm
Psalm 79
1O god, the heathen are come into thine inheritance; thy holy temple have they defiled; they have laid Jerusalem on heaps.

2The dead bodies of thy servants have they given to be meat unto the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of thy saints unto the beasts of the earth.

3Their blood have they shed like water round about Jerusalem; and there was none to bury them.

4We are become a reproach to our neighbours, a scorn and derision to them that are round about us.

5How long, LORD? wilt thou be angry for ever? shall thy jealousy burn like fire?

6Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name.

7For they have devoured Jacob, and laid waste his dwelling place.

8O remember not against us former iniquities: let thy tender mercies speedily prevent us: for we are brought very low.

9Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of thy name: and deliver us, and purge away our sins, for thy name's sake.

10Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is their God? let him be known among the heathen in our sight by the revenging of the blood of thy servants which is shed.

11Let the sighing of the prisoner come before thee; according to the greatness of thy power preserve thou those that are appointed to die;

12And render unto our neighbours sevenfold into their bosom their reproach, wherewith they have reproached thee, O Lord.

13So we thy people and sheep of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations.

5 Angel  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:44:23pm

Dont be silly...its the Mussssssssssslims that are being targeted day and nite...having matzo balls thrown at them and bein force fed chopped liver!

6 Jheka  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:48:04pm
7 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:48:18pm
8 ballantrae  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:49:15pm

I have to say, I don't know this guys politics, but I like him. :)

-ron

9 Plato  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:51:00pm

England wasn't always innocent as far as Jews were concerned.
[Link: www.movinghere.org.uk...]

10 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:52:53pm
11 Angel  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:53:45pm

Imagine equating Jews supporting Israel to Musssssslims supporting Iran...how dare he.

12 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:54:37pm
13 the_flying_pig  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:55:08pm

I have received informations indicating a major escalation of conflict against Israel in the Mideast very soon. I'm very worried about it. Lizardoids, be prepared for repeated propaganda craps from the anti-Semitic leftist moonbats, Hezbollah/Hamas-admirers, neo-Nazi punks and the beloved MSM just like last year's debacle on the Lebanon/Hezbollah-Israel conflict. Expect fauxotographic images from the pro-Islamist/leftist media as well.

Pump up, Lizardoids, and get ready to kick serious asses soon. Zombie, be on alert. Charles, I really hope all of your efforts to improve your blog's comment-posting system is all primed and ready to fire all of its cylinders for all of us and really pay off beautifully.

Showtime soon.

14 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:57:35pm
15 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:57:51pm

re: #13 the_flying_pig
yes..soon.

16 Charles  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:58:04pm

re: #12 ploome hineni

Charles, how often have you been asked if you are Jewish?

Happens all the time.

17 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:58:05pm
18 kuchuklambat  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:58:20pm

re: #13 the_flying_pig

you mean, propaganda like this?

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

19 Angel  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 2:59:45pm

re: #16 Charles

re: #12 ploome hineni


Charles, how often have you been asked if you are Jewish?

Happens all the time.


Well L'Chaim then! Heh

20 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:01:31pm

Oh, crikey!

Are there many Muslims in Manchester?

21 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:01:50pm
22 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:02:09pm
23 FriarsTale  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:03:23pm

I just started watching, but I have to say this:

the guy took the words right out of my mouth!

you don't have to be Jewish to see anti-semitism is flourishing

24 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:04:02pm

re: #10 ploome hineni

We were just waiting for you to arrive for the entertainment Ploome :-)

25 Spiny Norman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:04:26pm

re: #20 MandyManners

Oh, crikey!

Are there many Muslims in Manchester?

Lessee... Manchester, an old Midlands industrial town... like Britain's Detroit... Oh!

Teeming, I rather imagine, MM.

26 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:05:20pm

re: #20 MandyManners

There are bloody loads of them there Mandy. The City of Manchester also looks after the Greater Manchester administrative area and there's bloody loads of them there too.

27 Confuzed  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:05:45pm

Call me Hamisch - A Jew-loving Christian.
Here are quotes/excerpts from Video 1.

Report on the All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry Into Antisemitism
More than 10 antisemetic "incidents" a week in 2006 for total of 594.
15 youths attack one Rabbi resulting in broken arm and collarbone.
It is clear that violence, desecration of property, and intimidation directed towards Jews is on the rise...Jews have become more anxious and vulnerable towards abuse and attack than at any other time for a generation or longer.
Biggest rise in AntiSemitic incidents is in Manchester where in the North of the city, Orthodox Jews need a police escort on the way to synagogue. Assisting police are civilian volunteers called CST (Civilian Security Trust). Jewish schools have been assisted by CST putting into anti-bomb windows in schools.

28 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:05:45pm
29 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:06:25pm

re: #25 Spiny Norman

Manchester's in the North mate. Trust me, Manchester's bad, but the Midlands is another world by comparison.

30 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:07:53pm

re: #28 ploome hineni

That's your judgment of me Ploome. There's plenty others who'd disagree and it's their opinions I respect, no-one else's.

31 uptight  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:08:19pm

re: #8 ballantrae

I have to say, I don't know this guys politics, but I like him. :)

-ron

He's a down to earth pragmatist. He's not a typical Conservative - more like an anti-idiotarian.

The Left hate him - I mean REALLY FUCKING HATE HIM. And that's enough commendation in anyone's book.

see [Link: www.richardlittlejohn.com...]

32 the_flying_pig  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:08:25pm

re: #17 song_and_dance_man

This is one of several I've received: What Does It Mean?. Sources pull from many news on the Net around the world.

33 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:08:44pm
34 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:08:48pm

Robert Spencer has been right from the start.....it is 1938 all over again.

35 Spiny Norman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:09:28pm

re: #29 Wishbone

re: #25 Spiny Norman

Manchester's in the North mate. Trust me, Manchester's bad, but the Midlands is another world by comparison.

My mistake. I guess I was thinking of Birmingham (or is that not the Midlands, either?)

:^/

36 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:09:40pm

re: #31 uptight

Yep. What you said. He really does seem to get under their skins.

37 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:09:42pm
38 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:09:53pm
39 the_flying_pig  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:10:34pm

re: #18 kuchuklambat

Didn't you see what Charles posted yesterday? The one about Syrian troops invading inside Lebanon? That's not propaganda, that's a start of something about to get bigger soon.

40 Colt  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:11:56pm

re: #8 ballantrae

I have to say, I don't know this guys politics, but I like him. :)

-ron

He's alright as British journalists go. Not terribly articulate, but expert at a good old fashioned rant.

Although he did reveal a bit of the British suspicion of religion when he referred to the young religious Jew's "agenda" when he said he didn't think Jews had a future in Britain.

41 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:12:25pm
42 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:12:42pm

re: #25 Spiny Norman

re: #26 Wishbone

If I were a Jew living there I might consider moving to the south. I read something here the other day about a former head of MI5 who moved to that area. She said something along the lines of she foresaw a dirty bomb or somesuch attack on London.

43 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:12:51pm

re: #33 ploome hineni

Not really, Ploome. Would you like me to say something?

Seriously, what do you expect me to say that you haven't already figured out?

44 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:14:20pm

re: #42 MandyManners

re: #25 Spiny Norman

re: #26 Wishbone

If I were a Jew living there I might consider moving to the south. I read something here the other day about a former head of MI5 who moved to that area. She said something along the lines of she foresaw a dirty bomb or somesuch attack on London.

If I were a Jew living there...I would go home to Israel.

45 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:14:30pm

re: #13 the_flying_pig

Did you see the previous thread about Hamas having an op-ed piece in the L.A. Times?

46 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:14:48pm
47 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:15:17pm

re: #44 storagemanager

I don't know if I'd go now. But, I'm chicken at times.

48 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:15:21pm

re: #38 song_and_dance_man

With all due respect fella, I couldn't give a toss for any celebrity status Ploome may or may not have around here and I certainly don't need to be warned off from an argument that is entirely valid.

49 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:15:23pm
50 Carol Herman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:16:30pm

Hitler and Stalin proved that its easy to take over the media. You thought it was done with guns? Nope. It's very similar to how homosexuals can take over the toilets in a children's park. There's nobody there to stop them.

And, this is true with America "propaganda machinery" as well. Given how the CIA isn't much good at anything, except getting their views published. Ditto, for the hacks in the FBI.

So, why should the BBC be different? All the stars who were in UPSTAIRS/DOWNSTAIRS are dead. And, the blokes who play with each other (see my toilet reference, above), are also in charge of the theater arts. And, you're surprised?

It's good that the views are expressed so openly. Because it does open the doors on what had been once kept secret. Backstage. Or? On the streets of London, in the 19th Century, men put green carnations in their lapels. And, went walking with their wives! Till a quick glance produced "excuse me for a moment." Moments.

Ah, the other lesson for the day, folks, is that this tendency to bleat hatred, which pretty much got stamped out by WW2, in germany and japan; still flares up among idiots. And, this is why Olmert's good at what he does. He can work in politics; like bowels, anywhere, which takes someone who is not adverse to the terrible smells.

Now? The Internet grows on the waste products the old media tries to sell. And, I think we're way ahead. And, they are find behind.

51 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:16:57pm
52 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:17:21pm
53 EricJW  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:17:29pm

I have (Jewish) family living in the UK. I don't know how they can stand it there.

I don't know how Christian Brits can stand it there, but then again, half of them are brainwashed into thinking the terrorists are our friends.

54 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:18:11pm
55 Boogberg  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:18:16pm

The British Journalists Union (NUJ) has abandoned their idiotic "proposed" boycott of Israel. Google link to Guardian story here to avoid registration.

56 Alouette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:19:00pm
57 kuchuklambat  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:20:24pm

re: #39 the_flying_pig

Yes I think we all see things heating up for another summer war -- and here goes Reuters with the usual Hez resistance boys and their kindly-faced mothers.

58 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:21:20pm

re: #52 song_and_dance_man

re: #48 Wishbone

I have had many tosses with many here. All I ask is that it be keep civil with a modicum of respect.

Be fair. Ploome did start with :

where is that moron naillster?

and our other comatose Brits?

Wishbones response was pretty moderate.

59 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:21:25pm
60 the_flying_pig  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:21:55pm

re: #45 MandyManners

That is a sad and very unfortunate thing to have from one of America's biggest newspapers. Thank goodness that I do not live in the Left Coast. Poor Charles.

61 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:23:06pm

re: #59 ploome hineni

re: #51 ploome hineni


Charles is a muslim, of course

an Anglican /Muslim like that minister in San Francisco

thats Prince Charless

Scared me...thought you was attacking the host...lol

62 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:24:08pm

re: #46 ploome hineni

Ploome, I've never denied that Britain has many problems, anti-Semitism being one of the nastier. Of course, in true LGF tradition, I'll offer you the opportunity to go and wander through all my past postings and confirm the accusation you're making against me.

From the start of this little spat, you've done nothing but expound loudly upon the view that all Britons are anti-Semites, and the reason they are is because.... well..... They're British.

If I were to base my commentary upon modern America in the stereotypes that Americans are so pissed off with having to put up with, and based each and every discussion on these threads on such suppositions, then I'd fully expect to be tossed out on my ear in due course. After a good pasting, mind you.

Just because I happen to be among the most vociferous of protesters when you indulge in just that, when speaking about my nation, is not blindness to the situation at all.

I wonder that you can't see that.

63 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:24:42pm

For me the best part of this programme was the interview with Nick Cohen, revealing the hypocrisy of Britain's left in embracing Hamas and Hezbollah, groups which violate every one of their so called principles.

64 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:24:46pm

Well, he ticked me off at the start with the old "racism used to be from the right, but now strangly, it is in the left" thing. (Nazis were socialists)

But if he's correct on everything else and ticking off the jihadists and leftists, then I'll give him a pass and forgo my usual tirade. ;-)

65 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:25:14pm
66 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:27:10pm

May I suggest a jihadi-for-Jew exchange program between Britain and the US?

Adopting those pesky Jooos after WWII worked out really well for us.
We'll be happy to take some more of those annoying Nobel Laureates, musicians, attorneys, doctors, rocket scientists, computer start up geniuses, business entrepreneurs, and overall great neighbors off Europe's hands if they're too stupid to know what they are casting off, thank you.

In exchange, Britain can take all of our jihadis and their useful idiot "progressive" proponents. (Not exactly a fair trade, but too bad for Britain.)

67 the_flying_pig  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:27:27pm

re: #57 kuchuklambat

You will be seeing more of that coming from Reuters once the initial conflict against Israel start. This Thursday will be the day that Israel kowtow before the Arab League delegation which will anger the hardcore Israeli supporters.

68 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:27:31pm

re: #52 song_and_dance_man

Look mate. I get where you're coming from, but at least afford me the respect of not telling me how to behave.

69 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:27:42pm
70 Sabraguy  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:28:08pm

Richard Littlejohn has done a great service to British Jews and to his country. The rise of anti-semitism in the British establishment needs to be exposed to international scorn.

In my opinion the left in Britain - and I include here the ArchDhimmi of Canterbury, the Trade Unions and the BBC etc. - are now actually a bigger threat to British Jews than the BNP. Although the BNP is still a racist organization, it does at least understand the threat of Islamofascism, and has toned down its anti-Jewish elements.

The left, as Winston Churchill once said, are feeding the Islamic crocodile in the hope it will eat them last.

71 lizardbennet  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:28:46pm

re: #66 NuclearTinkerbell

May I suggest a jihadi-for-Jew exchange program between Britain and the US?

Adopting those pesky Jooos after WWII worked out really well for us.
We'll be happy to take some more of those annoying Nobel Laureates, musicians, attorneys, doctors, rocket scientists, computer start up geniuses, business entrepreneurs, and overall great neighbors off Europe's hands if they're too stupid to know what they are casting off, thank you.

In exchange, Britain can take all of our jihadis and their useful idiot "progressive" proponents. (Not exactly a fair trade, but too bad for Britain.)

Thanks tinkerbell--after reading and watching all this stuff I really needed that pep talk

72 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:29:06pm

These new fights have more class...then the ones from last year.

73 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:29:46pm
74 dr. akim ullsheetbay  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:30:33pm

and what of those that died fighting hitler and the nazis? a travesty to their sacrifice.

the english expelled the jews several hundred years ago and then let them return....where is the will to protect their shores from the anti-semites?

what a pathetic world. nothing changes.

75 PeaceBeUponHim  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:31:31pm

That was a great video. Thanks for sharing it, Charles.

76 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:32:18pm

re: #74 dr. akim ullsheetbay

and what of those that died fighting hitler and the nazis? a travesty to their sacrifice.

the english expelled the jews several hundred years ago and then let them return....where is the will to protect their shores from the anti-semites?

what a pathetic world. nothing changes.

It will.

77 opnion  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:32:49pm

Oh Brave New World! The left has made anti-Semitism respectable in intellectual circles.
Look at our own college campuses.The tenured profs throw in with Muslim student pressure groups. It even happens with many Jewish profs who brake bad on Israel.
Muslims have become a favored victim class when they are not screaming supremicism. If you have victims then you must have victimizers?
It inverts logic quite a bit but it is what it is.

78 lizardbennet  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:32:53pm

re: #76 storagemanager

re: #74 dr. akim ullsheetbay


and what of those that died fighting hitler and the nazis? a travesty to their sacrifice.

the english expelled the jews several hundred years ago and then let them return....where is the will to protect their shores from the anti-semites?

what a pathetic world. nothing changes.


It will.

YES!

79 ryannon  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:33:41pm

re: #18 kuchuklambat

Mainstream television news in France just ran a similar piece showing Lebanese praising Hezbollah for their aid and reconstruction programs. (Sorry, no link at present). At the end, the narrator added that that they have entirely reconstituted their stocks of arms in caches in the south of the country.

The piece made no particular sense in the context of the other news, but in light of what's been said here by Song and Dance Man, it does point to something much more ominous.

80 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:34:04pm
81 ORD neighbor  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:34:31pm

Executive summary: Eurabia on the march, and quickly it marches...

82 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:34:41pm

re: #69 ploome hineni

Bullshit you did, Ploome. If that were the case, you would have had no problem clearing that up from the get go. You know, way back then, when you were all too happy to rant at me about my 'Jew hating country'

83 J. Lichty  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:35:22pm

From the Glimmer of Hope Department:

According to Jim Geraghty at National Review Online, Rudy Guiliani has assembled an all-star foreign policy team with some welcome and recognizable names.

It will get little attention today, but Rudy unveiled his foreign policy team, including:

Charles Hill, former executive aide to President Ronald Reagan’s Secretary of State George P. Shultz, a lecturer in the International Security Studies program at Yale University, a special consultant on policy to the United Nations Secretary-General, and a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, will serve as the Chairman of the Senior Foreign Policy Advisory Board. He is also the campaign’s Chief Foreign Policy Advisor.

Senior foreign policy team members include Norman Podhoretz and Senator Bob Kasten. Other team members include Steve Rosen, Senior Defense Advisor; Martin Kramer, Senior Middle East Advisor; S. Enders Wimbush, Senior Public Diplomacy Advisor; Peter Berkowitz, Senior Statecraft, Human Rights and Freedom Advisor; and Kim R. Holmes, a Senior Foreign Policy Advisor.

Beats Karen Hughes and Grover Norquist, eh?

84 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:36:22pm
85 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:37:06pm

re: #83 J. Lichty

From the Glimmer of Hope Department:

According to Jim Geraghty at National Review Online, Rudy Guiliani has assembled an all-star foreign policy team with some welcome and recognizable names.


It will get little attention today, but Rudy unveiled his foreign policy team, including:
There was a time I thought President Bush had an all star team....show me the money.
Charles Hill, former executive aide to President Ronald Reagan’s Secretary of State George P. Shultz, a lecturer in the International Security Studies program at Yale University, a special consultant on policy to the United Nations Secretary-General, and a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, will serve as the Chairman of the Senior Foreign Policy Advisory Board. He is also the campaign’s Chief Foreign Policy Advisor.

Senior foreign policy team members include Norman Podhoretz and Senator Bob Kasten. Other team members include Steve Rosen, Senior Defense Advisor; Martin Kramer, Senior Middle East Advisor; S. Enders Wimbush, Senior Public Diplomacy Advisor; Peter Berkowitz, Senior Statecraft, Human Rights and Freedom Advisor; and Kim R. Holmes, a Senior Foreign Policy Advisor.


Beats Karen Hughes and Grover Norquist, eh?
86 Racer X  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:38:13pm

re: #73 song_and_dance_man

All I can say is keep it civil and we can all get a long little doggie.
What are those dogs called? Schnauzer? Weiner dog?

I forget.

87 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:38:18pm

re: #85 storagemanager
There was a time I thought President Bush had an all star team.

88 ORD neighbor  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:40:07pm

re: #83 J. Lichty

Beats Karen Hughes and Grover Norquist, eh?


That's a pretty low bar there. Not that I'm complaining... I still think even his selections are a bit soft; of course they look stellar in comparison.

89 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:40:21pm

re: #65 ploome hineni

I think you must have severely misread my post. I was defending Wishbone, not calling him names.

90 ORD neighbor  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:41:17pm

re: #88
That should be re: #85. Yes, PIMF...

91 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:41:58pm

re: #80 song_and_dance_man

That's fair enough, I respect that fella. You may actually find this hard to believe, and I expect Ploome will puke to know it, but I rather like her.

Her opinions may be flawed to my sensibilities, but she doesn't come at you from the side-on. It's straight in your face, both barrels. Regardless of our disagreement, at least I always know where I am with Ploome.

In the doghouse, usually....................

;-)

92 El matamoros  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:42:35pm

I never thought i'd see the day, but this is 100% true. Britain right now is probably the MOST anti-semitic country in the west. It'sn not just the immigrants either. I think it has to do with the construction of "eurabia" and Londinistan. After so many decades of the radicals preaching and the leftists joining in the chorus, eventually it seeps down into the mainstream. I think it alos as to do with another two big factors. #1 is the british guilt about their hand in the creation of Israel and their general messing about in ME politics and their empire. They feel bad about what they did to Arabs so now by turning on the Jews they can alleviate the guilt. #2 is the fact that Except for Sweden and Switzerland they were the only country that did not expeience the Fascists full force. To them the Holocoust is an abstract concept. They saw no one dragged away in the middle of the night. Also their Homegrown Fascist movement was really not that Anti-jewish as the Continental movement.

So now basically they, for the most part, probably belive that Britain is being unfairly targeted becuase of "the occupation" and that if they are more sympathetic to the islamists cause they will be left alone.
They are also angry at "jews" for causing the Arabs and Muslims to get so mad, so whats a little Anti-semitism when the world's peace in hanging in the balance?

93 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:42:40pm

re: #91 Wishbone

re: #80 song_and_dance_man

That's fair enough, I respect that fella. You may actually find this hard to believe, and I expect Ploome will puke to know it, but I rather like her.

Her opinions may be flawed to my sensibilities, but she doesn't come at you from the side-on. It's straight in your face, both barrels. Regardless of our disagreement, at least I always know where I am with Ploome.

In the doghouse, usually....................

;-)

lol

94 ryannon  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:44:02pm

re: #57 kuchuklambat

re: #39 the_flying_pig

Yes I think we all see things heating up for another summer war -- and here goes Reuters with the usual Hez resistance boys and their kindly-faced mothers.


That's exactly what I alluded to in my earlier post....

95 wordwolf  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:44:21pm

Re: #83 J. Lichty

O joy! My favorite candidate has just improved his chances!

Not to mention that Someone Who Matters is listening to Norman Podhoretz, whom I have loved from afar for lo these many years. I even named my first-generation Shuffle "Norman iPodhoretz" ...

shutting up now

96 NuclearTinkerbell  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:44:27pm

#71 lizardbennet

Thanks tinkerbell--after reading and watching all this stuff I really needed that pep talk

Oh, shucks... Ummm, thank "the Tribe" for those other really useful things that the US likes and uses... like our legal system, modern medicine, that Old Testament thing... those Commandments. Yeah. Very helpful.

97 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:44:43pm
98 ryannon  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:45:07pm

re: #84 ploome hineni

re: #82 Wishbone


re: #69 ploome hineni

Bullshit you did, Ploome. If that were the case, you would have had no problem clearing that up from the get go. You know, way back then, when you were all too happy to rant at me about my 'Jew hating country'


it IS a Jewhating country

lol


Not to be flippant, but do any of you know country which isn't?

99 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:45:29pm
100 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:45:57pm
101 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:46:54pm

re: #98 ryannon

ISRAEL.

102 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:47:14pm

re: #99 song_and_dance_man

I understand she's also quite cute behind all that attitude ;-)

103 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:47:49pm
104 Paco from Sefarad  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:48:34pm

Richard Littlejohn writes regularly for The Daily Mail. Here's his latest: Saving the planet while the English swim for their supper

{...}

Live Earth has to be the most fatuous fundraiser ever. Where is the money going?

Sorry if I sound like a heretic, but while I accept we shouldn't deliberately pollute and do our best to recycle our rubbish, I don't accept that 'climate change' is the biggest threat to the planet.

That would be global Islamist terrorism right now. Its stated intention is to kill us and destroy our way of life.

If rock singers and TV stars want to do something constructive, why don't they have a series of shows against jihad?

Madonna could kick it off in Iran, but the bare flesh and conical bras would have to go. Graham Norton could host the Kabul concert, though he might be lucky to get out without having a brick wall pushed on top of him.

I'm sure rappers like Puff Doggy would go down a storm with the Wahabis in Saudi Arabia, given their mutual enthusiasm for women's rights, homosexuality and drive-by executions.

Send the Spice Girls to Lahore. They'd look very fetching in designer burkas. The whole event could be beamed round the world by the BBC, being careful not to mention any connection between terrorism and Islam, perish the thought.

Of course, it ain't gonna happen. They'd rather work themselves into a lather about the ozone layer than confront the number one clear and present danger to our lives.

As Professor Higgins might have said: By George, they just don't get it.

105 El matamoros  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:48:39pm

#50

"Nope. It's very similar to how homosexuals can take over the toilets in a children's park. There's nobody there to stop them.
"

WTF?
Yeah, maybe we should stone them.

106 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:48:43pm
107 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:50:16pm

re: #106 ploome hineni

So's Lauren Bacall and she still gives me shivers when she speaks.

Hehe.

108 ryannon  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:50:46pm

re: #101 storagemanager

re: #98 ryannon

ISRAEL.


Alas, not any more....

109 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:51:06pm

Hatred of Israel is the root cause of anti-semitism?

Or maybe anti-semitism is the root cause of hatred of Israel. The hate came first.

110 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:51:54pm

Firefox locked up on me when I hit the new comments button while watching video. Anyone else?

111 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:52:16pm

re: #13 the_flying_pig
The moonbats are out in force right now.

Just look at them on the channel4 messageboard in response to the programme, where some of the antisemitic comments are appalling!

112 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:53:28pm

re: #111 Nannette

Read a few of them last night mate. Nasty bunch that lot.

113 dmint[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:53:49pm
114 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:53:51pm
115 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:54:19pm
116 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:55:22pm

re: #113 dmint

I hope that post was a farce.

117 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:55:42pm
118 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:55:54pm

re: #114 ploome hineni

Oi! I can read, you know.

119 Iron Fist  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:55:58pm

re: #113 dmint,

I hear where you are coming from. Charles usually deletes my posts when I wax poetic like that :-)

120 Sabraguy  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:56:19pm

re: #98 ryannon

re: #84 ploome hineni


re: #82 Wishbone

re: #69 ploome hineni
Bullshit you did, Ploome. If that were the case, you would have had no problem clearing that up from the get go. You know, way back then, when you were all too happy to rant at me about my 'Jew hating country'

it IS a Jewhating country
lol

Not to be flippant, but do any of you know country which isn't?


Holland? India? China? Japan (despite being an ally of Nazi Germany, may Jews found refuge from the Holocaust in Japan)

121 Redcoat  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:56:56pm

Littlejohn seems to upset all of the right people.
His comments in quotes, seething comments in all caps, from the original at Arabmedia Watch, because Arabs just can't get a fair shake from the British media.


"Listening to 'world opinion' has got Israel nowhere. It was told it should trade land for peace. So it did. It got war. Israel pulled out of southern Lebanon six years ago. Hezbollah boasts that it has spent that time preparing for this fresh assault, building tunnels and bunkers and stockpiling a deadly arsenal of 13,000 weapons, which it is now raining down on Israeli civilians."

ACTUALLY, HEZBOLLAH HAS SAID MORE THAN ONCE THAT IT WAS SURPRISED BY ISRAEL'S REACTION. AND ISRAEL FOR YEARS SINCE ITS WITHDRAWAL HAS FLOWN WARPLANES OVER LEBANON, CREATING SONIC BOOMS AND CONDEMNATION FROM THE UN. A FEW YEARS AGO, IT THREATENED WAR OVER A RIVER PROJECT IN LEBANON.

[Link: www.arabmediawatch.com...]

122 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:57:08pm

Would people PLEASE write to Channel 4 and thank them for airing the programme
http://www.channel4.com/contact_us.html

123 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:57:56pm
124 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:58:25pm

re: #112 Wishbone

re: #111 Nannette

Read a few of them last night mate. Nasty bunch that lot.

Hi Wishbone, I was arguing with them for want of anything else to do.

It was like banging my head against a brick wall... and the site slows down terribly.

They still don't want to see the truth of what's going on here. :(

125 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:58:54pm

re: #97 ploome hineni

Well, I don't think he's in denial, I think he is saying that the anti-semitism doesn't spring innately from the 'British Character' itself. I have to say that I'm also inclined to think that the rise in antisemitism in the UK in recent years correlates with the rise in wooly headed morally inverted leftism, not with a rise in the number of English people ;)

126 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 3:59:31pm
127 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:00:09pm
Two explosions early Wednesday caused a large hole in the Gaza-Egypt border wall, witnesses reported, sending people rushing to the open crossing but causing no injuries.

Hamas gunmen rushed to the scene to prevent Gazans from fleeing to Egypt and there were no immediate crossings reported. Several groups had issued threats in recent days about attacking the wall.

Hamas confirmed two explosions took place but denied any hole was created in the wall between Gaza and Egypt.

Things are sooo nice under hamas... [Link: www.jpost.com...]

128 ryannon  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:01:00pm

re: #120 Sabraguy

re: #98 ryannon


re: #84 ploome hineni

re: #82 Wishbone

re: #69 ploome hineni

Bullshit you did, Ploome. If that were the case, you would have had no problem clearing that up from the get go. You know, way back then, when you were all too happy to rant at me about my 'Jew hating country'


it IS a Jewhating country
lol

Not to be flippant, but do any of you know country which isn't?

Holland? India? China? Japan (despite being an ally of Nazi Germany, may Jews found refuge from the Holocaust in Japan)

That was nearly seventy years ago.

Japan, China, India (and let's not forget Holland) are going to make great allies when the sh** hits the fan today or tomorrow....

129 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:01:09pm
130 El matamoros  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:01:24pm

#97 Ploomi
"say, that antisemitism is so much part of British society, it is considered normal, and people like wishbone get very insulted when confronted with that reality"

First off, I dont think any Briton here should be held accountable as an individual for what their country does. Second While i do think there is a RISE in Anti-semitism in Britain it is not as bad as say eastern europe, just the so called "liberal" western countries. The fact that you are a LGF member proves you realise the problem. I mean right now i consider Some of our Noam Chompskyites to be straight up traitors but they are AMERICANS. So would i get defensive if someone accused America of being "Dhimmis"? or "anti-semitic"? no. the only thing one can do is Preach, preach, preach! Sooner or later the truth wins out. I mean look at the US prior to WWII, we were rife with Appeasers and anti-semites and general degenerates. Though technically it was not "the war of ideas" that won the day but rather the stupidity of appeasers and the general aggression of our enemies.

131 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:03:32pm

re: #129 ploome hineni

That's the meme taking root and spreading throughout it's new habitat - the leftoid brain.

132 Barking Pumpkin  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:05:52pm

This sickens me and breaks my heart.
Jews of England (and Europe in general) get out while you still can. Take your brains, your inventiveness, your perseverance, your great culture and your souls and come to the States or Eretz Yisrael.
England (and Europe in general) is f*cked.

133 dmint[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:06:17pm
134 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:06:27pm

Do not buy food from China

..........Chinese Cat Lovers Halt Truck Hauling Cats to Restaurants

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

135 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:07:15pm
136 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:08:56pm

re: #133 dmint

When we post like that...they use them against Charles...we look like fools....and NO ONE GETS THE MESSAGE....Charles does this site for a reason.

137 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:09:53pm

re: #129 ploome hineni

OK Ploome. This is a serious question now. What statistics represent the 'USUAL LEVEL of antisemitism in the UK?"

I'd like to know, 'cos I want to hold the figures up against the population count.

138 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:10:07pm

Well, I lied. I've only been gone four days and got bored so here I am perusing the web. And the second place I go is LGF - and now I'm hooked on comments again. I can't help myself!

Pretty chilling video. I got thru the first two and will try and watch the others later.

In defense of Wishbone (whom I do not know), we need to be careful not to broadbrush everyone of being an anti-Semite simply because of the country they reside. I continue to be amazed at the blatant anti-Semitism I witness right here in the U.S. to worry much about the rest of the world.

And what's worse, in American academia apparently even those calling themselves Jewish hate the Jews. I got a feeling when the Lord does decide to put an end to the nonsense, he will have a special corner for self-loathing Jews.

P.S. - for what little comfort I can bring to the Jews of LGF America, I'm with you to the end. I hope you wouldn't be afraid to ask for help if the need ever arises because the spirit is willing. I know how damn stubborn you guys can be.

139 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:10:29pm

dmint

Plus, it's just plain wrong.

140 miamitech  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:11:01pm

littlejohn says "antisemitism on the rise AGAIN"

141 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:11:50pm

re: #133 dmint

I'll be blunt fella: You're heading for the door if you keep that up.

Friendly warning based on past experience mate.

142 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:12:39pm

re: #134 storagemanager

Bastards. Humans and cats have a kind of unwritten pact, ever since the first moggies came into our habitations and kept the mice away from our grain all those years ago. Eating them was never part of the deal.

143 Van  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:14:45pm

Thank fuck for Londoners like Littlejohn & Phillips and their tireless work.

144 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:14:49pm

re: #136 storagemanager

re: #133 dmint

When we post like that...they use them against Charles...we look like fools....and NO ONE GETS THE MESSAGE....Charles does this site for a reason.

Yep to that.

145 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:15:22pm
146 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:15:58pm

re: #142 Jimmah

Some places in China eat dog also

147 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:16:06pm

re: #133 dmint


0 fer 2

148 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:16:38pm

ploome,

LOL. I didn't have the nerve to say that. But I think our minds melded about the same time.

149 eff plus  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:16:47pm

the mere fact that that documentary timidly felt it needed to soft-sell the situation that much i think speaks volumes. the situation is way way way worse than that

150 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:16:48pm

re: #145 ploome hineni
Like .....no

151 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:16:58pm

re: #37 ploome hineni

Hi Ploome, it started here over 10 years ago, since the Labour government got in. On top of the physical attacks, the propaganda is typical 1938 Der Stuermer and much of it is straight out of the Nazis handbook.

British Jews be advised: Edict of expulsion still valid

I've not been personally attacked, but no-one would give me a second look, although I have a friend who's an orthodox rabbi, who got beaten up, and was scared to go to the police, so came to me instead, because he felt shamed by the experience and I'm non-orthodox, so it was easier for him to speak. His son got beaten up on another occasion, and is now living in Israel.

A rabbinic student was murdered in Camden Town a few years ago. Just stabbed through the heart, but the police didn't want to see it as an antisemitic attack.

A 12 year old girl was attacked and beaten unconscious on a bus going home from school.

Thugs attacked Jewish brothers with a baseball bat, sticks and a rock.

152 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:17:23pm

re: #145 ploome hineni

re: #143 Van

Thank fuck for Londoners like Littlejohn & Phillips and their tireless work.

does anyone understand this post?

Aye.

153 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:17:33pm
154 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:18:16pm
155 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:20:15pm
156 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:20:34pm

I am confused about one thing. If this ratched up about 10 years ago in Britain, what precipitated it? Muslim influx? In watching the first two videos, it appeared to me to be an equal opportunity hate.

Though I can't comprehend the Muslim hatred of Jews, at least they have 4,000 years of history of hating. What's the excuse for the rest of us?

157 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:20:48pm

re: #139 Silhouette

dmint

Plus, it's just plain wrong.

Agreed. The comments reminded me of what Wafa Sultan said about the Jews - that they had won the respect of the world not through whining and screaming and terrorism, but by living as creative, civilised people.

158 Van  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:20:54pm

re: #145 ploome hineni

re: #145 ploome hineni

re: #143 Van

Thank fuck for Londoners like Littlejohn & Phillips and their tireless work.

does anyone understand this post?

Littlejohn made the video, I was saying that it's a good thing that Littlejohn and Phillips are around to spread the word.

Is that clear enough?

159 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:20:59pm

re: #40 Colt
I really think Richard Littlejohn is one of the few journalists left who have the balls to tell it like it is!

I honestly think he's great... and it's so refreshing not to hear all the skirting around topical issues, but instead hitting them straight on!

160 SpartanWoman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:21:22pm

re: #92 El matamoros

I'm afraid plenty of Americans would gladly sacrifice Israel and American Jews to pacify Islam and "have peace". I have had lib colleagues say that in so many words that "a few million" would be a "small price" if the world would then be "friends". The ignorance of Islamist goals is astonishing.

So, that the brits have this attitude doesn't shock me a bit.

As for the "apatheid" carter loving lib crowd, they would gladly accept a one-state solution that would wipe out jews. This would be called the new state's "internal affairs" and they would respond in the same was as Rwanda.

161 dmint[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:21:24pm
162 McNug  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:21:41pm

re: #120 Sabraguy

Holland? India? China? Japan (despite being an ally of Nazi Germany, may Jews found refuge from the Holocaust in Japan)

Don't forget Armenia and Georgia, homes of the two oldest and safest Jewish communities in the world.

Sigh. Everyone ALWAYS forgets Armenia and Georgia. :)

/one-sixteenth Armenian

163 SpartanWoman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:21:54pm

re: #145 ploome hineni

re: #143 Van


Thank fuck for Londoners like Littlejohn & Phillips and their tireless work.

does anyone understand this post?


nope

164 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:22:17pm

re: #156 goodbye_natalie
Evil.

165 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:22:23pm

re: #155 ploome hineni

Wishbone is of the base, common and popular crowd, yes. I think and type in the Queens English, but I speak a dialect far removed from it.

166 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:24:36pm
167 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:24:46pm

re: #146 storagemanager

Yeah...another animal we have a 'pact' with. They have been famous for that for a long time. Nasty.

168 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:25:47pm

re: #161 dmint
That is what we do here...and Jihad watch and many others...we warn of the danger...and hope people read.....we don't pick up guns or bombs and become them.

169 cagney  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:25:47pm

The thing that really gets up my goat is these buggers with their anti-Israel tea-cloths rounds their necks. There times where I want to ragdoll the swine round the shop.

It sickens me but it also worries me because it is anti-Semitism seaping into mainstream UK culture .

As to the videos, the thing that got me was the mufti muppet on vid 6 when he said that all Jews need to condemn Israel to pacify the muslim hotheats.

This says to be the muslims are unwilling or more likely unable to control these elements. Since muslims with radical links are taking over as trustees to Islamic centre's and Mosques, this is hardly surprising.

170 yochanan  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:26:21pm

It is not just the U.K. euroland is no place for a jew today. Right now jews should leave euroland were they should go is up to them. The anglosphere outside of euroland would not be a bad choice. For some Israel might be a choice but not for all. Anti semitism exists in all western countries but the level of it is much worse in euroland.

The question of Japan is a rather complex one. Before the Japanese had contact with the west there was no anti semistism as there were no conections to anything jewish. They were members of the fascist axis with the nazis and believed the nazi propaganda but the odd thing about that was that because they believed it they seemed to decide that they had better not abuse the jewish refuges in shanghai because they feared the power of American jews after the war. My son's mother-in-law was a jewish refuge in shanghai she was old enough to remember it.

171 McNug  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:26:43pm

Anti-semitism is just one of perhaps dozens of social problems that have ramped up in Britain over roughly the same timeframe.

She smokes a pack a day, she's knocked up, she's eleven years old, and her mum is so proud of her

172 EyesWideOpen  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:27:05pm

My shock-meter pegged when they showed the school with the bomb-proof windows. The only other place I've heard of where Jews have to bomb-proof their buildings is in Israeli towns that are within the range of terrorist rockets.

Police escorts just to attend synagogue? In Great Britain?

173 Paco from Sefarad[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:28:13pm
174 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:29:24pm

re: #173 Paco from Sefarad

And #173 while you're at it ;-)

Hehe.

175 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:29:38pm

re: #97 ploome hineni


antisemitism is so much part of British society, it is considered normal, and people like wishbone get very insulted when confronted with that reality


How right you are Ploome. I live in it, day in and day out. I've been on the receiving end of words from a VERY well known person who told me to get back to "my own country". To which I responded I'm IN my own country, get back to yours.

The government have tried their damned hardest to wipe this issue under the carpet, but it's getting worse. I'd imagine that most of Jerusalem porperties have been bought by British Jews already. I know of so many who have left and are leaving too.

The worst I've seen was a gang of thugs who tried to schlep a young frum boy off a bicycle and started beating him up. I was on my mobile phone at the time, called CST and then stepped in myself, swinging a huge bunch of keys and not caring who got in the way. I just can't stand that type of bullying, which makes me see red.

Not many people report incidents to the CST, so the figures quoted have to be at least 4-5 times as many attacks, if not more.

As I wrote to one newspaper who never printed my letter, "What next? Will Britain be the next country sending Jews out to Europe on special trains?".

I think it's highly likely.

176 SpartanWoman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:29:53pm

re: #166 song_and_dance_man

No SADM I understand the threat quite well. But as we know, the deaths of millions will only whet the appetite of Islamists. The West, if complicit in this, will have thrown Israel in the fire for nothing.

177 cagney  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:30:29pm

re: #155 ploome hineni

If you check the vid's it was 'Lowclass Brit's who stood shoulder to shoulder with Jews against Mosley.

Proud of my working class roots.

178 yochanan  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:30:31pm

the number of anti semitic attacks is much more than the reported ones
i had a bottle tossed at me (which missed my head by about 12 ") with the words FUCKING KIKE, as well as a few other ones of a lesser nature but I did not bother reporting it to the police.

179 scaramouche  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:30:44pm

I hear Gordhim Brown is thinking of changing the name of "the war on terror" to "the war on to whom it may concern." Just so's he doesn't offend the vast majority of British Muslims whose religious precepts are all warm 'n' fuzzy 'stead of all cold 'n' bloody.

180 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:31:46pm

re: #176 SpartanWoman
If that happens....America will pay a high price from the boss.

181 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:31:47pm

re: #104 Paco from Sefarad
That another brilliant article by Richard Littlejohn! I've been a fan of his since he was writing for The Sun.

182 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:31:55pm
183 wrathofasma  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:32:05pm

Here is a similar documentary made by Marc Levin about the rise of anti-semitism in the US after 9/11: Protocols of the elders of Zion

184 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:32:25pm
185 EyesWideOpen  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:32:55pm

#179 scaramouche

Perhaps he should change it to "the war on people who engage in activites."

186 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:33:11pm
187 grumpy old codger  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:33:25pm

All this antisemitism talk has got me in a tizzy! I guess I'll have to start by sorting things out in myself. Now, I've three g-parents who were Christian (2 Catholic and one Presbyterian) all from or descendants of UK residents. My other g-parent was Jewish. I heard a lot of inter-family sniping from all sides of the family, that is an lot of what we'd call today non-PC and at times some hatred(Christian v. Jew, Jew v. Catholic, Protestant v. Jew, etc.). Yet, they all got along and I am related to them and part of them.
Now that this terrible history has been revealed, what should I do? Should I amputate 25% of my body or should it be 75%? Or maybe I could become a moslem and hate everybody?

188 Paco from Sefarad  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:33:52pm

re: #174 Wishbone

re: #173 Paco from Sefarad

And #173 while you're at it ;-)

Hehe.

Yes Charles, feel free to delete my quoting of dmint's post.

189 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:35:37pm

re: #164 storagemanager

You know, Storage. I think that and you're right. I believe part of it stems from intense jealousy that because they are successful in everything they enter (except the Olympics :}-) but it's obviously far more than that.

I worked for a company once where the CFO was Jewish. He was a asshole but so were the rest of the executives; some much worse. I don't know how many times I heard "the little Jew bastard" or something to that regard. He was a saint compared to the Marketing Sr. VP and I never heard one time in 14 years "the little Christian bastard."

There seems to be in this world an irrational hate for Jews. Ironically, it is the Jews that reinforce my faith. Without what has transpired in my lifetime, it would be far more difficult to live by that faith with all of man's weakness.

190 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:36:23pm

More on the death of Ghazi

.....The siege of one of the capital’s most prominent mosques was prompted by clashes last Tuesday between security forces and supporters of the mosque’s hard-line clerics. More than 80 people have been killed in the fighting since July 3. The vigilante anti-vice campaign has proved an embarrassment to President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a key US ally in its war on terror, and underlined his administration’s failure to control extremist religious schools.

But a major loss of life at the Red Mosque could further turn public opinion against the president, who already faces mounting opposition for his bungled attempts to fire the country’s chief justice.

The US Embassy recommended that Americans in Pakistan limit their movement in the area of the northwestern city of Peshawar, warning that “terrorist elements” were threatening attacks on Pakistani government, police and army institutions in retaliation for the Red Mosque siege.

[Link: www.arabnews.com...]

191 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:37:04pm

162 dmint
I think the answer is in your own question.

"the West responds by showing ever more solicitude to Muslims and their sensibilities."

The West - that's us, right? We obviously have to stop rewarding muslims for terrorism, AND kill as many terrorists as we can get our hands on. That is achievable. There is no instant solution though, to the problem we are facing. But becoming terrorists is about the worst idea of a solution I've ever heard. We would be throwing away our moral high ground for nothing. It would only help our enemies. They have a culture of death, remember - we don't. If we go down to their level, they'll beat us with experience.

192 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:37:32pm

re: #145 ploome hineni

re: #143 Van


Thank fuck for Londoners like Littlejohn & Phillips and their tireless work.

does anyone understand this post?

Yes, it's typical slang terminology... meaning thank God...

193 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:38:19pm
194 SpartanWoman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:38:32pm

re: #192 Nannette

I guess I prefer "thank heavens" , but that's just me.

195 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:38:37pm

re: #155 ploome hineni

wishbone understands

lowclass Brit speech?


LOL Ploome. Very!

196 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:38:43pm

re: #175 Nannette


antisemitism is so much part of British society, it is considered normal, and people like wishbone get very insulted when confronted with that reality

Sorry Nannette, but that's really very presumptuous of you. As I've pointed out countless times before, I don't feel insulted at all. I simply attempt to inject objectivity into the discussion and am pilloried for not accepting generalisations as solid, empirical facts. Facts I can deal with; generalisations are just messy.

197 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:38:52pm
198 Paco from Sefarad  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:39:06pm

re: #181 Nannette

re: #104 Paco from Sefarad
That another brilliant article by Richard Littlejohn! I've been a fan of his since he was writing for The Sun.

Here's one he wrote prior to the documentary:

The new anti-Semitism: How the Left reversed history to bring Judaism under attack

199 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:44:18pm

re: #165 Wishbone

re: #155 ploome hineni

Wishbone is of the base, common and popular crowd, yes. I think and type in the Queens English, but I speak a dialect far removed from it.

And what dialect is that?

200 cagney  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:45:17pm

re: #186 ploome hineni

I'm a bloke in my early thirties, had a working class upbringing, know my own mind, proud of what I am and where I come from.

The way the UK has changed in the last few years, I don't recognise it. If I am supposed to aspire to the 'norm' in this multicultural, muslim arse-kissing society then I think I'll stick to my 'corrupt state of mind'

201 nyc redneck  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:45:38pm

this is so infuriating. that little old man was set upon by l5 brutes who kicked him and beat him. they broke his arm and collar bone. he needs a carry permit so he can shoot these hyenas and put them out of their misery. all jews, in danger like this , need to carry guns. btw, let me guess, ummmm were the assholes moslems.?

202 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:46:32pm
203 COQUIMBOJOE  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:47:03pm

The Jews aren't the cause of the worlds problems, But many of the greatest problems in the world are traceable to anti-semites.

Bastards, all of them.

204 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:47:04pm
205 Racer X  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:48:21pm

re: #191 Jimmah

The West - that's us, right? We obviously have to stop rewarding muslims for terrorism, AND kill as many terrorists as we can get our hands on. That is achievable. There is no instant solution though, to the problem we are facing. But becoming terrorists is about the worst idea of a solution I've ever heard. We would be throwing away our moral high ground for nothing. It would only help our enemies. They have a culture of death, remember - we don't. If we go down to their level, they'll beat us with experience.

Jimmah - you bring up a good point - although it appears to be contradictory.

Do we kill as many "terrorists" as possible? What about the new ones that spring up?

It seems we need a two-pronged approach:
1. Eliminate the violent radicals (terrorists).
2. Enlighten the remainder about the truth of islam - the pure evil and hatred.

Mockery also works well with "Westernized" muslims, however middle eastern and "Asian" muslims tend to get extremely violent when ridiculed. Sensitive little buggers.

206 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:49:19pm
207 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:50:19pm

#64 Silhouette

Well, he ticked me off at the start with the old "racism used to be from the right, but now strangly, it is in the left" thing. (Nazis were socialists)

The usual, in other words. Always spend a long intro recapping the fictitious history that racism and anti-semitism used to be the exclusive provence of the right, and then act shocked, yes shocked, that other groups might be racist and anti-semitic too! Other groups, including the Soviets and Muslims, were anti-semitic before the Mein Kampf was even written.

It's the same game plan used whenever anyone is surprised to discover racism from non-whites, sexism from non-males, and so forth-- act like it's something never before seen under the sun, and remind everyone of how evil those white males always were before you discuss the "exception" at hand.

But if he's correct on everything else and ticking off the jihadists and leftists, then I'll give him a pass and forgo my usual tirade. ;-)

I'll commend him for what he's saying, but I'll continue to object to the slanderous way he does so. The excessive amount of time spent on past history, and only a certain part of that history as well, was truly uneccessary and detracts from the work.
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208 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:52:28pm
209 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:52:29pm

re: #199 Nannette

Scouse ;-)

North Liverpool Scouse, to be exact.

210 socialpath  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:55:34pm

Briton marries bin Laden’s son

"A British woman has married a son of Osama bin Laden after a holiday romance and is to apply for a visa so that he can visit Britain, The Times has learnt.

Jane Felix-Browne, a 51-year-old grandmother and parish councillor from Cheshire, has until now kept her marriage to Omar Ossama bin Laden, 27, secret from everyone apart from her immediate family and close friends. But she has now agreed to speak about her relationship with bin Laden’s fourth eldest son.

“It would be nice if, like any other married woman, I could stand up and say this is my husband and this is his name, but I have to be realistic about things,” she told The Times. “I hope people don’t judge me too harshly. I married the son, not the father.”

Mrs Felix-Browne says she is aware that some people will be hostile to her marriage. Among the numerous terrorist plots linked to her new father-in-law are the London suicide bombings on July 7, 2005, the July 21 plot, and the recent attempted attacks in London and Glasgow. “I just married the man I met and fell in love with – to me he is just Omar,” she said. “I hope that people will take a step back and think what it was like when they fell in love. He is the most beautiful person I have ever met. His heart is pure, he is pious, quiet, a true gentleman, and he is my best friend.”

Mrs Felix-Browne, who has been married five times previously, met Mr bin Laden in Egypt in September while undergoing treatment for multiple sclerosis. She says that their fairytale romance began when her future husband saw her riding a horse near the Great Pyramid. They were married in Islamic ceremonies in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and are awaiting permission from the authorities in Riyadh to make their marriage official. .........."

211 Andrew Ian Dodge  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:56:00pm

Scary thing is that its far worse for Jews in France...

212 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 4:58:51pm

re: #172 EyesWideOpen

My shock-meter pegged when they showed the school with the bomb-proof windows. The only other place I've heard of where Jews have to bomb-proof their buildings is in Israeli towns that are within the range of terrorist rockets.

Police escorts just to attend synagogue? In Great Britain?

It's commonplace for Jewish offices, etc., to have bombproofing.

As for police escorts to synagogue, that's become the norm too... :(

213 chee toe  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:00:12pm

re: #210 socialpath

Mrs Felix-Browne, who has been married five times previously, met Mr bin Laden in Egypt in September while undergoing treatment for multiple sclerosis. She says that their fairytale romance began when her future husband saw her riding a horse near the Great Pyramid.

Stuff like this reminds me why I quit reading science fiction/fantasy novels about 15 years ago. The 'backyard' is bizarre enough all by itself.

214 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:00:39pm

re: #177 cagney

re: #155 ploome hineni

If you check the vid's it was 'Lowclass Brit's who stood shoulder to shoulder with Jews against Mosley.

Proud of my working class roots.


It was the working class of the East End who stood, shoulder to shoulder with the Jews in the Battle of Cable Street. My dad fought there and there's some wonderful photos too... and that was when the East End community, irrespective of religion, was united!

215 legalpad  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:01:34pm

Sometimes I lose patience with the continuous identification of the problem when the solution is so obvious. SIX videos? I don't think so. Why talk about it if you have no intention of doing the only thing that will stop it.

216 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:01:55pm

re: #213 chee toe

Probably the main reason I don't have any time for 'reality based' soaps. There's enough absurdity outside my front door.

217 SpartanWoman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:02:01pm

re: #212 Nannette

re: #172 EyesWideOpen


My shock-meter pegged when they showed the school with the bomb-proof windows. The only other place I've heard of where Jews have to bomb-proof their buildings is in Israeli towns that are within the range of terrorist rockets.

Police escorts just to attend synagogue? In Great Britain?


It's commonplace for Jewish offices, etc., to have bombproofing.

As for police escorts to synagogue, that's become the norm too... :(


We have security at our US synagogue during the High Holidays.

218 Boogberg  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:02:01pm

re: #193 ploome hineni

I wouldn't read anything sinister into the phrase "for fuck's sake". It's just a UK colloquialism. I think it's more akin to "for cryin' out loud!"

219 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:03:03pm

re: #196 Wishbone

re: #175 Nannette



antisemitism is so much part of British society, it is considered normal, and people like wishbone get very insulted when confronted with that reality

Sorry Nannette, but that's really very presumptuous of you. As I've pointed out countless times before, I don't feel insulted at all. I simply attempt to inject objectivity into the discussion and am pilloried for not accepting generalisations as solid, empirical facts. Facts I can deal with; generalisations are just messy.


Okay, I won't put assumptions on you. But antisemitism is very widely accepted in British society.

220 Racer X  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:04:08pm

re: #210 socialpath

"Omar - find yourself a naive British sugar-mama and get inside. Await further instructions".

221 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:04:49pm

re: #149 eff plus

the mere fact that that documentary timidly felt it needed to soft-sell the situation that much i think speaks volumes. the situation is way way way worse than that

It took ages touting the video around before any TV channel would take it.

But, as Richard Littlejohn has said, if it were a programme about Islamophobia, he'd have been commissioned to make a 6 part documentary!

222 chee toe  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:05:47pm

re: #216 Wishbone

Couldn't agree more, sir. I don't waste time anymore asking how this has happened. Am just hoping that when the coming "summer of love" hits, there will be enough of us brave 'regular folks' to deal with the mess...

223 cagney  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:06:28pm

One last comment before I crawl into my pit.

Nobody is denying that the UK has let down it's Jewish citizens but the inactivity of mainstream public opinion and government policy towards the recent terror attacks means that Christians, Hindus etc are targets as well as Jews.

This inactivity is a victory for the muslim radicals. It means their message that Muslims do not need to follow the laws of their countries are reinforced and their own positions are strengthened. As tensions grow because of this their positions will be further strengthened as the muslims will start getting a 'bunker mentatlity'.

These radicals need to be dealt with, there's no alternative.

With this sobering thought, it's going to a interesting times ahead. Folks need to keep a cool head but they also need to watch their backs.

224 chee toe  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:06:36pm

re: #220 Racer X

re: #210 socialpath

"Omar - find yourself a naive British sugar-mama and get inside. Await further instructions".

LOL! Too true!

225 albertanator  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:06:44pm

Their really are very few safe place for the Jewish people...they need either to make haven in Israel or America or perhaps my Western Canada......this will only get worse....as islamic communities grow in the West, Jews and others will be targetted!

226 Jheka  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:08:09pm

Just finished listening to it. Very good but not nearly enough ... I wonder how much of an audience it got.

227 markie  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:09:21pm

The American Moonbats are fast becoming dangerous to Israel, if not Jews in general.

228 SpartanWoman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:10:43pm

re: #225 albertanator

Their really are very few safe place for the Jewish people...they need either to make haven in Israel or America or perhaps my Western Canada......this will only get worse....as islamic communities grow in the West, Jews and others will be targetted!

It will get worse because nobody will tell the truth or set limits on muslims for fear of reprisals. That's why Cal Thomas is so inspring.

But I don't think the US is the safe haven you imagine and I fear for Israel.

I think things are going to get very ugly.

229 Render  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:10:53pm

For all the talk of British anti-semitism, I remind all who would read of one name that stands out from all others in Israeli history...

Orde Wingate.

Without whom the history of Israel might not have been written.

NIGHT
SQUADS,
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230 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:11:30pm

re: #198 Paco from Sefarad

re: #181 Nannette


re: #104 Paco from Sefarad
That another brilliant article by Richard Littlejohn! I've been a fan of his since he was writing for The Sun.

Here's one he wrote prior to the documentary:

The new anti-Semitism: How the Left reversed history to bring Judaism under attack

Here's another one he wrote which is hilarious!
The car bomb you are calling may be switched off - please try later!, It's spring time for Gordon..., Here's a draft of the blueprint for 'Britain Day' and A total fiasco? It's par for the course

Richard Littlejohn has a wonderful dry humour - and it shows!

231 yochanan  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:12:27pm

ABC NEWS has as a lead to there even national news a major story on an expected AL QUADA attack in America this summer. They have been talking about this for the last week or two and with out the usual liberal disclamer were they blame Bush or say it is for political gain.

232 SpartanWoman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:12:46pm

re: #230 Nannette

I am becoming a fan of Mr. Littlejohn, may G-d bless and keep him.

233 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:14:50pm

The world is getting a little more evil ....everyday....and more is to come.

234 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:16:42pm

re: #202 ploome hineni


this is the usual anti semitism...in the daily life

so pervasive, that no Brit would even DREAM of it being antisemitic

As it was then, it is now. Nothing's changed, except it was brushed under the carpet for a few years, and not spoken in public. But now, it's highly acceptable and is in vogue.

235 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:16:46pm

re: #227 markie

The American Moonbats are fast becoming dangerous to Israel, if not Jews in general.

The American Moonbats are fast becoming dangerous to all of us.

236 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:18:39pm

re: #229 Render

Arlington's British Contingent getting a mention I see ;-)

Now there was a man with balls.

237 chee toe  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:18:46pm

re: #231 yochanan

ABC NEWS has as a lead to there even national news a major story on an expected AL QUADA attack in America this summer. They have been talking about this for the last week or two and with out the usual liberal disclamer were they blame Bush or say it is for political gain.

Maybe the new Mrs. Bin Laden will put in a kind word for us.....

238 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:19:26pm

re: #209 Wishbone

re: #199 Nannette

Scouse ;-)

North Liverpool Scouse, to be exact.

Like the Boys from the Blackstuff? Kevin Whateley? :)

239 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:19:41pm
Bush's counterterrorism envoy meets top Saudi leaders


Published: 07.11.07, 02:39 / Israel News

The highest ranking US counterterrorism official met Tuesday with Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah and several other top Saudi leaders, the state-run Saudi news agency reported.

Frances Fragos Townsend held talks with Crown Prince Sultan and Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal, the SPA agency said. Details on their discussion were not made public

Let me guess at the topic......er....Syria and Iran...who want the royal family dead....so they can have Mecca and the oil. [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

240 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:19:53pm

re: #205 Racer X

I agree with much of your post, except where you find a contradiction in mysaying 'Kill terrorists' and "Don't go down to their level". Killing terrorists isn't their level - killing civilians is their level, therefore there is no contradiction.

Regarding M.E. and asian muslims, I think the fact that they are so hyper-sensitive about mockery tells me that they haven't been exposed to nearly enough of it.

241 Thanos  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:20:47pm

Thanks very much for posting Charles, it's appreciated.

Overall I liked it but it was only good when it could have been great. A bit too much talk, and not enough evidence although it abounds. It's almost as if the documentarian hesistated to put some of the harsher condemnations and examples in, we all know he could have done more.

242 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:21:50pm
Netanyahu: Barak’s Retreat from Lebanon ‘Irresponsible’

I think he is right. [Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

243 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:22:10pm

re: #217 SpartanWoman


We have security at our US synagogue during the High Holidays.

We used to have too, until the situation became unbearable. We couldn't keep putting up with the community being attacked going to and from synagogue.

244 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:23:54pm

re: #232 SpartanWoman

re: #230 Nannette

I am becoming a fan of Mr. Littlejohn, may G-d bless and keep him.


Forever and ever. Amen

245 yochanan  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:23:58pm

Orde Wingate.

he was a pro semite but his active support of Israel in the mandate period got him demoted and transfered out of the palestine mandate. He was the exception even then. remember the brits sent jewish refuges back to germany even during the holocoust.

246 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:24:08pm

re: #238 Nannette

LOL..... Ah....Kevin Whately would be a Geordie, but that's OK 'cos nobody understands them

Except Kevin Whately, funnily enough. He's quite lucid.

Boys From The Blackstuff is pretty much on the nail, though. Although the accent you hear in that is more of the old drawling accent from the fifties and sixties. It's evolved into something a lot faster and a lot less intelligible these days :-)

247 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:24:24pm

OT: Am I the only one seeing "undefined" in between several of the comments?

248 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:24:24pm

This fits here

............03:02 UN to Israel: Shaba farms Lebanese territory, put under UNIFIL control (Haaretz)

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

249 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:24:55pm

re: #241 Thanos

Thanks very much for posting Charles, it's appreciated.

Overall I liked it but it was only good when it could have been great. A bit too much talk, and not enough evidence although it abounds. It's almost as if the documentarian hesistated to put some of the harsher condemnations and examples in, we all know he could have done more.


It was a much longer documentary. They couldn't find any TV channel to take it, and the channel 4 editors did hack it around quite a bit.

250 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:26:49pm

Funny...I said I had a gut feeling, a few days a go in a post.........

On Tuesday, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the editorial board of The Chicago Tribune that he had a "gut feeling" about a new period of increased risk.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

251 Promethea  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:27:30pm

re: #138 goodbye_natalie

In defense of Wishbone (whom I do not know), we need to be careful not to broadbrush everyone of being an anti-Semite simply because of the country they reside. I continue to be amazed at the blatant anti-Semitism I witness right here in the U.S. to worry much about the rest of the world.

And what's worse, in American academia apparently even those calling themselves Jewish hate the Jews. I got a feeling when the Lord does decide to put an end to the nonsense, he will have a special corner for self-loathing Jews.

Well said. I always hate it when people start painting people from other countries with too broad a brush. As an American, I can't be responsible for people like Noam Chompsky and Howard Zinn, and I don't want to have to spend a lot of time defending my fellow Americans against this type of hater.

That being said, I've started to view Wishbone and Ploome Hineni as one of those cute couples like Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn, or maybe Humphrey Bogart and Loren Bacall. With a little polish on their dialog, we've got a movie classic. ;)

252 SpartanWoman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:28:04pm

re: #243 Nannette

I am sorry things are that bad for you. Just as people stood up to and made that Mosely (spelled correctly?) stand down, I think we could do a lot to stop the Islamists if we only stood together and tried. Those men and women in the 30s were heroic and seemed to have much more courage than many do today.

253 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:29:35pm

re: #223 cagney
Cagney, we need a government with the balls to say what it is we're facing, instead of saying they can't use the word Muslim, Islamist, Islam, or anything else.

They have to say they're up against Islamic terrorism, take the mosques to task, and for a start, they should ban burkas, and niqabs, although allow the women to wear headscarves to preserve their modesty.

Nothing in the koran says a woman has to cover her face.

We should also insist on treating Muslims the same as anyone else, and not giving them preferential treatment, nor privileges in prisons or schools over and above what everyone else gets.

That would be a start. Suffocate the radicals. Offer them a one way ticket out of here to any country of their choosing, like France has done - and let's get rod of the ones who hate it here and hate our way of life.

254 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:30:56pm

re: #252 SpartanWoman

They knew right and wrong......people today...know American Idol....Paris Hilton...and Bill...I did not have sex with that woman.

255 Wishbone  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:31:32pm

re: #251 Promethea

She already knocked me back mate. The age gap and all that, you know.

Tragic really.

LOL

256 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:31:36pm

re: #229 Render

Orde Wingate.

One of my heroes.

257 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:34:46pm

re: #246 Wishbone

re: #238 Nannette

It's evolved into something a lot faster and a lot less intelligible these days :-)

Even more difficult to understand? We'll need translation services soon. :-)

258 yochanan  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:35:12pm

violent anti semitism happens in America too but the police take such crimes seriously. We have had a number of violent attacks in my part of Chicago in the worst crimes the police did the foot work and got all of the anti Semites into jail.

259 SpartanWoman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:35:50pm

re: #254 storagemanager

re: #252 SpartanWoman

They knew right and wrong......people today...know American Idol....Paris Hilton...and Bill...I did not have sex with that woman.

And perhaps they had a press that did not shill for the enemy in order to keep their Riyadh/Teheran/Gaza offices. Maybe the entire world is suffereing from Stockholm syndrome.

One of the most disturbing things I see today is jews distancing themselves from Israel and those who support her and setting up a "good jew" "bad jew" dichotomy. It won't help us, it will divide and destroy us. And it won't help the US to set up a similar "bad American vs good American" scheme either. Ultimately it will divide and our enemies will conquer.

260 Racer X  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:38:13pm

re: #240 Jimmah

I may have been reaching a bit. It's becoming real hard to differentiate the terrorists from the civilians.

261 Colonel Panik  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:38:32pm

re: #247 JamesTKirk

OT: Am I the only one seeing "undefined" in between several of the comments?

Yeah, I see it when hitting the new comments button.
I'm not on my Mac right now I'm on a Windows machine. IE 6 if that helps, Charles.

262 legalpad  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:42:42pm
re: #252 SpartanWoman

Ultimately it will divide and our enemies will conquer.

I think it is like the human body: When things reach a certain level, entirely new processes kick in. When it goes far enough, not the government, not the media, but people will act. Terrorism can cut both ways.

263 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:47:43pm

re: #248 storagemanager

This fits here

............03:02 UN to Israel: Shaba farms Lebanese territory, put under UNIFIL control (Haaretz)

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]


That's the beginning of the end. Next step is an all out war, again.

264 Nannette  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:48:50pm

re: #252 SpartanWoman

re: #243 Nannette

I am sorry things are that bad for you. Just as people stood up to and made that Mosely (spelled correctly?) stand down, I think we could do a lot to stop the Islamists if we only stood together and tried. Those men and women in the 30s were heroic and seemed to have much more courage than many do today.


There was no political correctness in the 1930's.

265 Promethea  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 5:52:31pm

re: #213 chee toe

re: #210 socialpath

Mrs Felix-Browne, who has been married five times previously, met Mr bin Laden in Egypt in September while undergoing treatment for multiple sclerosis. She says that their fairytale romance began when her future husband saw her riding a horse near the Great Pyramid.

Stuff like this reminds me why I quit reading science fiction/fantasy novels about 15 years ago. The 'backyard' is bizarre enough all by itself.

You probably read in the newspaper today of the bank robber who was dressed like a tree . . .

266 justamomof4  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 6:02:51pm

re: #226 Jheka

Doubt very many watched it to the end. Admittedly, identifying the problem is a major step forward, but a documentary like this should be followed with suggestions for corrective measures. Measures such as police escorts and neighborhood civilian volunteers called CST (Civilian Security Trust) address the symptoms only.

********
The question of anti-bomb windows placed in the jewish elementary school reminded me of a comment many moons ago - placed on this board.

A frequent poster familiar with the southern CA area mentioned that local mosques were frequently located very near airports (providing google map links to several) and were built using heavily reinforced concrete. IIRC, the discussion was centering around the common use of mosques as military bunkers in Iraq, at a time when our troops were forbidden from responding to attacks clearly coming from said mosques.

267 gilly  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 6:08:07pm

Never again. The bottom line reason for Israel to exist. The young student in the piece didn't say it but Israel and/or the US are most likely the two safest places for Jews. Secular and observant. Secular Jews did not escape persecution in Europe with the Nazis. The Arab man in the piece said the Jews needed to decide how they want it! That criticism of Israel would likely subdue the anti-Semites. I think he is suggesting British Jews accept a dhimmi status.

268 SpartanWoman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 6:08:42pm

re: #266 justamomof4

I am always impressed by the great big mosque sitting on the shore right across from NYC.

269 SpartanWoman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 6:11:16pm

re: #267 gilly

Never again. The bottom line reason for Israel to exist. The young student in the piece didn't say it but Israel and/or the US are most likely the two safest places for Jews. Secular and observant. Secular Jews did not escape persecution in Europe with the Nazis. The Arab man in the piece said the Jews needed to decide how they want it! That criticism of Israel would likely subdue the anti-Semites. I think he is suggesting British Jews accept a dhimmi status.


And next he'll suggest that British Christian accept a dhimmi status...or else the islamists might get mad and beat them up too

270 scott in east bay  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 6:21:04pm

I was in Rome in February. I stayed in my usual apartment in Trastevere, across the Tiber on the same side as the Vatican.

There is a very large Jewish school on the block next to mine. Every day there were TWO cop cars parked in front. The main synagogue across the river had at least one car every day.

I asked the cops about this. They said that there were constant threats against these facilities.

The really said thing: the Jewish school is in the building where Rome's Jews were rounded up and heald by the Gestapo before they were deported to the East in 1943. They were told they would be freed if they would be freed if they could come up with 100 pounds of gold for each person as a ransom. They provided the gold to the Germans...and were deported anyway.

Never again. Never fucking again.

What a sad state of affairs.

271 scott in east bay  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 6:22:58pm

sorry about the bad spelling...new computer and new spell check...plus I type too fast.

272 Wicksy  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 6:27:59pm

Hello to the Brits here; I'm a Brit too, from Cornwall. I know it's difficult, coz I've had a couple of run-ins on here with people who insist on tarnishing all Brits with the same brush, insulting our military, calling us names etc etc. You just gotta ignore those ignorant prunes. If they're not intelligent or educated enough to know that there are good eggs and bad eggs in every society (including their own), then just ignore them and move along, as you might do with other lepers.

Anyway, I've now got out of Britain, which is going to the dogs. I'm living in Israel with my Jewish girlfriend (I'm not Jewish). I decided it was time to leave one day when I was in a car with a close friend of mine (I've known him since I was 6 years old). In what you might call a road-rage incident, he declared that the (anonymous) person who had parked in the street - thus blocking it - must be a "f*cking Jew!". This shocked me, especially since he knew my girlfriend was Jewish, and I had never known him to be anti-Semitic. He obviously thought it was acceptable in the current climate to issue an insult like that, in front of his best mate, whose girlfriend was Jewish. Enough was enough for me.

To be honest there are many things I don't like about living in Israel (i'm not very good with 90% humidity!), but at least I'm on the right side here. I think vast swathes of Britain are now on the wrong side in this war. In fact the vast majority of the people on this planet are deluded, mentally sick/incapacitated, going or gone stark-raving-bonkers. There are some dark times ahead. :(

273 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 6:31:07pm
274 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 6:35:07pm
275 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 6:37:31pm
276 jonturner  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 6:51:42pm
the Rabbi was attacked by "a group of about 15 youths"
"since 2001, the number of attacks annually has nearly doubled..."

Anyone wonder why that might be? Let's examine some facts:
A: Since 2001, the number of Muslim residents in England has increased significantly.

2001 census - 1,536,015 Muslims living in England and Wales or 3% of the population. (In Birmingham Sparkbrook and Small Heath, muslims are nearly 50% @ 57,000. Bethnal Green and Bow has the second largest Muslim concentration @ 45,000 souls, or 40% of the population.)


[BTW, the ten largest Muslim populations in UK are found in: Birmingham Sparkbrook Small Heath,Bethnal Green and Bow,Bradford West,East Ham,Birmingham Ladywood,Blackburn,Poplar/Canning Tow,West Ham,Bradford North,Ilford South]

Only 40% of the UK's Muslim population were born in the UK. (By comparison, nearly 10% of England's population is foreign-born.)

40% of the Muslim UK population are "Troofers", believing 9/11 was a conspiracy between Washington and/or Israel.

The employment rate among the working age Muslim population, including non-graduates, is a dismal 45 per cent – compared with 75 per cent for the overall population. One in four Muslim graduates are not working.

Muslims make up 16.9% of the prison population in London.

One third of the UK’s Muslim population was under the age of 16 in 2001.

Connect the dots.

277 SpartanWoman  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 6:52:59pm

re: #272 Wicksy

Thank you!

278 Golden Brown  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 7:23:55pm

Another reason why I left the UK. Things are very bad there.

279 Les Spain  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 7:30:25pm

re: #211 Andrew Ian Dodge

Scary thing is that its far worse for Jews in France...

And some French Jews are leaving for Israel, the US and other countries.

French Jews Flee Into Florida

280 EE  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 7:34:02pm

Three cheers for Richard Littlejohn, the announcer in the video and its key person, who has shown courage in highlighting a problem in the UK that has been ignored for too long. If antisemitic incidents have doubled "since 2001", that indicates a doubling about every 6 years or so if that trend continues. That could reach enormous levels of antisemitic incidents at that rate, if that trend continues.

Three cheers also for John Mann, MP, shown in the video, who was involved in the parliamentary inquiry into antisemitism in the UK, and from which parliamentary inquiry a report was produced.

I wonder what conclusions were reached in that report.

Kudos also to Chief Constable Michael Todd, of Manchester, whose men work together with the CST, he said.

281 mj  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 7:34:50pm

A few quick criticisms:

I. Too much focus on Israel as the "cause" of antisemitism. In reality, much of the criticism of Israel is part of the same phenomena of antisemitism;

II. Not enough of a focus of the role of the media, especially the BBC, but also of the Guardian, and Channel 4 itself in making antisemitism acceptable- the cover of the New Statesman pales in influence to daily Jew-bashing that is being promoted in the BBC;

III. Not enough focus on role of the British clergy in making Jew-hatred acceptable.

IV. Not enough focus ( none really ) on the role of British politicians in making antisemitism acceptable. Yes, it did discuss the Mayor of London role. However, the Labour government as a whole has been absent in condemning antisemitism. The Blair period was marked by an almost complete silence in speaking out against antisemitism.

That all said, I thank Littlejohn for exposing this to the light of day.

282 wrathofasma  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 7:37:04pm

re: #211 Andrew Ian Dodge

Two words: Ilan Halimi

283 mj  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 7:37:51pm

#280 EE
"I wonder what conclusions were reached in that report".

The Report is on line:
[Link: thepcaa.org...]

284 justamomof4  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 7:38:45pm

re: #276 jonturner

Muslims make up 16.9% of the prison population in London.

One third of the UK’s Muslim population was under the age of 16 in 2001.

Connect the dots.

Murder rates, Brit natives/non-Brits In Britain

There doesn’t seem to be much doubt about it: non-Brits – in Britain – are murdering Brits at a rate 92 times higher than Brits are murdering non-Brits.

285 EE  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 7:40:49pm

re: #283 mj

#280 EE
"I wonder what conclusions were reached in that report".

The Report is on line:
[Link: thepcaa.org...]

Thanks for the link.

286 Les Spain  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 7:50:38pm

Lots of distressing commentary on the C4 forum discussing these films. The focus of the folks who don't like the program seems to be summed up by "Zionism is not Judaism (This a quote from one poster)." There are also the usual misconceptions posted about the plight of the Palestinians being trampled by the Israeli regime. Also, a Jew who has converted to Islam states "The Jewish community in Britain is in no danger." This same poster mentions that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion have come largely true fiction or not.

After watching the series, reading the comments there makes me more pessimistic about the future. It is quite likely the size of the UK Jewish community will shrink in the future as that in France is doing.

287 threecoloursblue  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 8:05:23pm

Sorry. I don't buy anything by Littlejohn. If I were a British Jew I'd be worried by having him on my side.
He writes for the Mail now, but he made his name working for the Sun. The Sun, for those who don't know it is probably the newsrag of choice of the yobs who attacked the rabbi.
The Sun's dedication to journalism is best illustrated by the story of its editor, Kelvin Mackensie, who once ran through the newsroom waving a copy of his paper yelling " true story, true story " on the one time it actually got something right.
Richard Littlejohn's contribution to this rag was as a "hater " In his columns he attacked - in no particular order - immigrants, homosexuals, the unemployed, the Irish, asylum seekers, muslims, Roman Catholics and so on and so on. All minority communities. If British Jews were a despised minority, Littlejohn would be attacking them, not defending them.
All of which is not to say that anti-semitism isn't present in British society. It is; but not to the extent that he's trying to portray. Where's Rabbi Sachs, or any of the other prominent British Jews on this programme?
And btw, all British posters here know this!

288 Abu Maven  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 8:25:32pm

Not sure if this has been mentioned, by the last two segments took it almost as an indisputable background assumption that the Israeli government is evil. Even those defending Israel's supporters merely took the position that they are entitled to their political beliefs, not that Israel is force for good in the world.

A very disappointing conclusion to the documentary.

289 NoSubmission  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 8:29:11pm

It's much much worse than I thought.

290 ErisLDysnomia  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 8:59:27pm

Too bad British Jews can't buy firearms and carry as they can in the United States.

Makes it a bit more risky for the antisemites to attack American Jews, because they never know when they might receive a supersonic hot lead projectile in return.

291 sharon  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 9:42:20pm

This is obviously a fraud. Everybody knows the big trouble in the Western world today is Islamophobia.

/

I am deeply disturbed.

292 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 9:48:30pm

#56 Alouette

This was not a "leftist" beatdown. The attorney is a religious Zionist -- hardly a leftist. LGF is not the appropriate forum for discussing the rift between the haredim and the religious Zionists, but since you posted the link, I would just ask everyone to refrain from judgment until they understand the background. Hitting someone is juvenile and criminal, it's true, but the haredi MK was striking a pretty darned low blow when he accused a Holocaust survivor of being worse than Germans. Such a comment is meant to be provocative. There is a lot of financial corruption among haredim and this attorney has been riding them for years to expose and prevent that. That is why they hate him.

293 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 9:55:37pm

#98 ryannon

Not to be flippant, but do any of you know country which isn't?

#101 storagemanager

Israel

Wrong again. We have lots of antisemites in Israel. Some of them are Arabs; some of them are Russians; some of them are Jews, and they're in the government.

It is a sad state of affairs.

294 daledog  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 9:57:35pm

My last name is as ethnically Emerald Isle as is possible. I visited Israel just to see what it was all about. Nearly everyone at work asked me is I was Jewish.
My answer was 'Yes' and the Chicago White Sox hat I was wearing indicated that I played for the White Sox.
The Chicago Bulls t-shirt I was wearing obviously meant that I was a point guard for the Bulls.
The carrot I was eating must have meant that I was a vegetarian.
I have naturally had bouts of alcoholism because of my last name.
Lazy thinking is rampant.

295 Dom  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 10:03:32pm

re: #10 ploome hineni

where is that moron naillster?

and our other comatose Brits?

As a member of the CST with family attending the school in question and family in the police, whenever the subject of Britain comes up I find your barely concealed schadenfreude pretty dispiriting. Littlejohn in this documentary has done British Jews and the British public a great service, to the same degree that you do us a great disservice.

296 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 10:03:58pm

#156 goodbye natalie

In my humble and uneducated opinion, I think that the BBC is largely responsible, and like most media, it is saturated with leftists and is increasingly hiring Muslim journalists. Sure, the Muslim influx accounts for most of the violent assaults on Jews, but there is a whole group of bystanders cheering silently (or not so silently), and they ain't "Asians."

I'm staying out of the ploome/wishbone fracas. :-)

297 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Tue, Jul 10, 2007 10:11:52pm

#187 grumpy old codger

Hey, are we related? I'm a member of the one-quarter club, too, and have Catholics and Protestants thrown in, along with Northeners (damned Yankees) and Southerners (ignorant crackers). Family gatherings were such a joy, they were eventually halted. I thought if I chose to honor my Jewish one-quarter, I'd find wholeness and peace. But what I found were so many more layers of difference and conflict among the many Jewish groups in existence today. I don't regret my choices, only that we humans seem programmed to bicker and fight all the time, no matter who we are.

What can you do.

298 Uriah_lost  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:39:48am

re: #259 SpartanWoman

re: #254 storagemanager


re: #252 SpartanWoman

They knew right and wrong......people today...know American Idol....Paris Hilton...and Bill...I did not have sex with that woman.


And perhaps they had a press that did not shill for the enemy in order to keep their Riyadh/Teheran/Gaza offices. Maybe the entire world is suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

One of the most disturbing things I see today is Jews distancing themselves from Israel and those who support her and setting up a "good Jew" "bad Jew" dichotomy. It won't help us, it will divide and destroy us. And it won't help the US to set up a similar "bad American vs good American" scheme either. Ultimately it will divide and our enemies will conquer.

You have nicely condensed one of the most troubling trends in the West today in the bolded quote. I'll be using that if you don't mind.
The only thing that I would add would be the "easy way out" approach of "they're all corrupt/evil/liars/the same " as an excuse for disengagement and inaction.

299 Infidelsalwayswin  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 2:22:22am

I've been worried about this rise in anti-Semitism on this island for a while now. What with the actions of the NUJ and TGWU boycotting Israel and what have you, you really have to wonder what in the fuck is going on.
We [Europe] allowed around half (!) of the current population of Jews to be massacred, and it looks like we've learned absolutely nothing by it whatsoever.

300 Call me Infidel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 2:45:12am

re: #125 Jimmah

re: #97 ploome hineni

Well, I don't think he's in denial, I think he is saying that the anti-semitism doesn't spring innately from the 'British Character' itself. I have to say that I'm also inclined to think that the rise in antisemitism in the UK in recent years correlates with the rise in wooly headed morally inverted leftism, not with a rise in the number of English people ;)

You don't see any link with the influx of "Asians" then?

Offhand, the only English writers I can think of who, before the days of Hitler, made a definite effort to stick up for Jews are Dickens and Charles Reade.

Ploome have you actually read Oliver Twist? Fagin is hardly a sympathetic portrayal of a Jewish man. As for your oft repeated claim that anti-Semitism is in the DNA of British people, well you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to consider it balderdash. Yes there is anti-Semitism in Britain but having also lived in the US I have encountered it there as well. It is not a uniquely British disease as you assert.
The desecration of Jewish cemeteries and attacks on Synagogues is not a new phenomenon. As I recall first started being reported in France over ten years ago. How much of this is due to the large minority of muslims in France?

301 MJBrutus  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 2:51:00am

What continues to bother me in the US, is the blind loyalty that so many Jews still hold for the Dumocratic party. Despite the fact that the Donks never miss a chance to spit on Israel Jews continue to pretend that they're best friends. Wake up and smell the gefilte fish people! When Joe Lieberman was hounded away from that party were you watching? Did you see the anti-Jewish hatred well up on America's left? You read the NY Times, but do you really READ it? Do you read the way they blame Israel incessantly and apologize for the murderers that the Israelis are simply trying to stop?
I know that old habits die hard and that voting Donkey is what so many of you have done for decades, but at some point you have to look at what's going on and think before pulling that lever.

302 EdwardPellew  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 2:53:00am

After the Second World War, anti-semitism in Britain was pretty much confined to the far right (the National Front in the 1970s, and now the British National Party.) Being racist is one of the greatest social crimes here, and that explains what has happened since. Before the wave of immigration of black workers from the Caribbean in the 1950s and 1960s, the Jews were the only non-Angloceltic race here and anti-racism was equivalent to opposition to anti-semitism. Then black and Indian/Pakistani immigrants arrived and we had an upsurge of far-right racism rooted in white working-class communities. This tailed off during the 1980s and 1990s and most educated Britons consider it is a solved problem, with even the unconscious racism in the police systems etc being tackled.

But what we hadn't realised is that by allowing large numbers of Muslims in, we had unknowingly imported a significant number of hardline racists, of the Jew-hating variety. But because of all the effort spent countering far right racism, the Left believes its not possible for minorities (ie Muslims here) to be racist, and won't acknowledge the problem. By making common cause with Islamist groups against Israel and the war in Iraq, the Left have absorbed a lot of that anti-semitism.

So we end up with the Britain that Littlejohn described: most people are anti-racist and think racism is something that the tiny number of people in the British National Party do, so it's almost a solved problem. But in reality we have hundreds of thousands amongst the Muslims and Leftists who are anti-semitic racists, and with the BNP splinter groups, those three groups carry out all the attacks on Jews here. But because the TV news is dominated by Leftists, this situation isn't reported, and the majority are sleep walking back into the 1930s.

303 Wicksy  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 3:05:54am

re: #287 threecoloursblue

Sorry. I don't buy anything by Littlejohn.

So block your eyes and ears whenever Littlejohn speaks, and listen only to the 30 other people featured in this excellent documentary.


And btw, all British posters here know this!

Errr, no we don't. It seems to me that the majority of British posters who have posted in this thread agree entirely with the conclusions of the documentary.

So please cease trying to speak for "all British posters"; you clearly have no idea what other people really think, and I believe your own opinions are erroneous.

304 Suzette  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 3:11:17am

re: #303 Wicksy

Well some of the British posters did say that the far left really (frothing) hate
Littlejohn....so that may shed some light on threecoloursblue's stance don't you think?

305 Londoner  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 3:34:02am

I saw an anti-Semitic attack the other day, some Spanish guys attacked an Orthodox Jewish guy on the street. These idiots didn't know that they were in a Jewish area, within minutes people appeared from everywhere, including the local Jewish security service and eventually the police.

It was quite hilarious, these guys just didn't know what hit them. They thought it would be a bit of fun, hitting a Jew. They were arrested and taken away by the police.

I spoke to some local Orthodox guys who said it was a daily occurrence, and that being taunted, shouted at or attacked was as normal as ... well.. walking down the street.

They said most came from East Europeans who I have found to be very anti-Semitic, growing up under communism. But then we don't have many Muslims in the area where I am.

The documentary was good in exposing the Left's particular Jew-hatred. In a country which does not have free media, and which 90% of TV and radio was dominated by the Leftist BBC until recently (it is now 50%), anti-Semitic Jew-blame became the norm.

My Mayor, Mr Livingstone, is an open anti-Semitic Leftie who'll jump into bed with any Islamo-fascist who can say 'kill the Jews', and he's loved by the Left and the BBC.

Churchill's words come back again and again, this is the 1930's, and the Left thinks that feeding Jews to the Islamist crocodile will allow them to go un-eaten. Well, in the 1930's many Germans thought feeding Jews to the Nazis would allow them to escape the coming tide of war and violence.


I am reminded of Mr Powell, who lost his position in the 1960's for warning against the coming tide of racial strife.

For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrant communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."

That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century.

Only resolute and urgent action will avert it even now. Whether there will be the public will to demand and obtain that action, I do not know. All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.

306 EE  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:03:42am

The attitude of the Nazis and the neo-Nazis is known.
The Islamist fanatics who say "Behead those who insult Islam" are involved with more than a religion or an ideology -- it's a mental illness. And hostility to the Jews is part of that mental illness.

But what about the left? Their vicious hatred of Israel goes far beyond rational criticism of Israel.
Here is an interview with the syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer (who was trained as a psychiatrist), discussing the anti-Israel fanaticism that is found in Europe.
[Link: christianactionforisrael.org...]

The passionate Palestinianism that is found in Europe cannot be explained by the saintliness of the Palestinian Arabs, nor by their troubles which are vastly exceeded elsewhere in the world, such as in Darfur. Krauthammer suggests that either there is an amazing coincidence that brings the European Palestinianists to such passionate support of the Palestinians, or the explanation is that the enemies of the Palestinians are the Jews. He suggests that the idea of multiple coincidences is not likely, and the reason must be a hostility to the Jews. He refines that idea, and says that in our times, a dead Jew is fine, but the resentment is toward Jews as living actors, as people who dare to defend themselves.

More recently than that article, we have seen the spectacle of non-Muslim leftists in Britain rally with signs that say "We are all Hezbollah now". Odd isn't it that the left should support Hezbollah which is opposed to all of their values and ideals. How can this be? Again, the reason is just that their enemies are the Jews. So the ardent Palestinianism and Hezbollism in the left have the same driving force: hostility to the Jews as people who defend themselves.

Even more recently we have seen the phenomenon of the leftist leaders of the unions in the UK calling for boycotts against Israel, ignoring all of the other troubles of the world, and focusing against only Israel. This goes beyond any rational cause of disagreement with any policy of any government of Israel, and is a causeless hatred of the state of Israel. It appears to be a visceral hatred. There is also the need to put Israel into the mask and costume of apartheid South Africa in order to rationalize the hatred that the left exhibits toward Israel, when Israel in reality is not apartheid South Africa. So it is the hatred itself that is in need of finding a rationalization, which it finds in pretending that Israel is apartheid South Africa, or other fabrications to rationalize the causeless hatred.

307 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:35:52am
308 Paco from Sefarad  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:41:25am

re: #270 scott in east bay

I was in Rome in February. I stayed in my usual apartment in Trastevere, across the Tiber on the same side as the Vatican.

There is a very large Jewish school on the block next to mine. Every day there were TWO cop cars parked in front. The main synagogue across the river had at least one car every day.

I asked the cops about this. They said that there were constant threats against these facilities.

The really said thing: the Jewish school is in the building where Rome's Jews were rounded up and heald by the Gestapo before they were deported to the East in 1943. They were told they would be freed if they would be freed if they could come up with 100 pounds of gold for each person as a ransom. They provided the gold to the Germans...and were deported anyway.

Never again. Never fucking again.

What a sad state of affairs.

I lived in Italy from the early 1970s until the mid 1980s. All Italian synagogues have police protection since the machine-gun and grenade attack on the Great Synagogue in Rome in 1982.

Any Jew just passing through the city cannot just enter the synagogue without a letter from his own synagogue at home or a reference from one of the local community.

Sad indeed.

309 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:44:04am
310 Londoner  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:45:01am

Yes, and I recognise that now in Britain.

On the BBC it is normal to blame Jews for problems of the world.

"Lets talk about the cause of most of these global problems, the Palestinian conflict' A BBC reporter on News 24.

"There's nothing wrong with anti-semitism, the Jews financed Slavery'. A Socialist in my local pub, which is in a very Left wing area, beloved of Leftists journalists.

The fact that a Socialist could openly discuss anti-semitism, in a left wing area of London (Hampstead) without shame or embarrasment, shows something about where we are now.

I do not believe that this man would openly talk about his dislike of Blacks or Muslims.

But it seems to be the soft-racsim of the Left that has created an atomsphere in which this can thrive.

311 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:46:33am
312 Paco from Sefarad  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:48:42am

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313 Infidelsalwayswin  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:48:47am

We've come a long way, in the wrong direction, since Benjamin Disraeli, evidently.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

314 niallster  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:48:47am

Following on from Londoners comments. Red Ken is VERY popular within the North London Jewish community.

Some things I will never understand...

315 Londoner  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:56:19am

Yes but why wouldn't they.

When almost everything they see and hear in the media comes from a Leftists standpoint, where there is not conservative TV or radio available in Britain (no Fox, no Limbaugh) and the only place Conservatives may speak is in a few newspapers, and where the Left's view of Jews/America is taken as the norm.. how could anyone doubt that Red Ken was right to slander Jews and embrace Islamism.

I only realised what was going on when I left Britain and was able to hear a Conservative speak openly on air.

It is true that Conservatives are sometimes interviewed on air, but they know that they must behave themselves if they want to be invited back.

Why would anyone in Nazi Germany doubt that the Jews deserved their fate, if everything they saw, read and heard confirmed it.

Why would any Londoner doubt that Jews are the problem when almost everything they see read and hear (except for a few newspapers) confirms it.

Propaganda works.

I have many Leftist fiends here in London, and their hatred of Fox News is insane. Most have never seen it, but they know and fear it. Free speach is not a nice thing for the Left.

316 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:48:23am

#307 ploome hineni

The way they push their way to the head of queues, and so on. They’re so abominably selfish.

Those must have been Israelis. I don't like that about them either. I do wish that everyone who travels or who lives in another country would realize that they are representatives of a certain group, whether it be Jews or Americans or Israelis or whatever, and behave in a way that is becoming.

I realize that the comments you quoted are examples of real antisemitism and I'm not trying to dismiss that. I just feel very strongly that we Jews cannot afford to perpetuate our own stereotype. Usually when I read the sorts of quotes you posted, I feel indignant because the accusations against the Jews are just so preposterous. But the one about pushing ahead in line made me think immediately of Israeli culture, and I worry that this particular Jew hater is telling the truth.

317 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:52:27am

#310 Londoner

But it seems to be the soft-racsim of the Left that has created an atomsphere in which this can thrive.

Well, actually, it's not that soft. Usually "soft racism" refers to having low expectations of a particular group. An example would be supporting affirmative action because you believe blacks are too stupid to meet admission requirements. No, this kind of racism is more insidious than soft -- insidious, because it became possible to be "anti Zionist" instead of anti-semitic.

318 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:56:54am

#311 ploome hineni

Offhand, the only English writers I can think of who, before the days of Hitler, made a definite effort to stick up for Jews are Dickens and Charles Reade.

He forgot George Elliot, who wrote Daniel Deronda, a virtual homage to the English Zionistic Jew.

319 EE  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:08:51am

Hatred of the Jews, whether it's called antisemitism or judeophobia or whatever the expression of the day is, is probably the oldest and strongest and most irradicable ethnic hatred that the world has ever seen.

In this article, which was an address that was given at a meeting honoring him, the syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer, who was trained as a psychiatrist, takes on the subject of antisemitism.

He talks historically about antisemitism. He discusses the antisemitic notion that the Jews are a cosmic force for evil in the world.

He also speaks of three circles of antisemitism today: the Muslim world in which antisemitism today is very very powerful; Europe, which has a much milder version than the Muslim world; and America, which has a much milder version than Europe.

[Link: www.adl.org...]

320 Nannette  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:12:27am

re: #287 threecoloursblue

Sorry. I don't buy anything by Littlejohn. If I were a British Jew I'd be worried by having him on my side.
He writes for the Mail now, but he made his name working for the Sun. The Sun, for those who don't know it is probably the newsrag of choice of the yobs who attacked the rabbi.
The Sun's dedication to journalism is best illustrated by the story of its editor, Kelvin Mackensie, who once ran through the newsroom waving a copy of his paper yelling " true story, true story " on the one time it actually got something right.
Richard Littlejohn's contribution to this rag was as a "hater " In his columns he attacked - in no particular order - immigrants, homosexuals, the unemployed, the Irish, asylum seekers, muslims, Roman Catholics and so on and so on. All minority communities. If British Jews were a despised minority, Littlejohn would be attacking them, not defending them.
All of which is not to say that anti-semitism isn't present in British society. It is; but not to the extent that he's trying to portray. Where's Rabbi Sachs, or any of the other prominent British Jews on this programme?
And btw, all British posters here know this!


I'm British and think your post is a load of codswallop!

Newspapers and editors change. Richard Littlejohn has mostly attacked the successive governments, and whom they choose to give priority to.

Antisemitism in Britain is a LOT WORSE than the programme portrays, but you're obviously not Jewish, nor have much experience of Jews.

You hate the Sun and most probably don't like the Mail. Stay on the blindsided left, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

And just for your information The Sun sells around 6.6 million copies a day, and is the best selling newspaper in this country!

321 EE  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:19:07am

Of course Richard Littlejohn, as an opponent of antisemitism, is going to be attacked. It comes with the job of opposing antisemitism.
Look for Littlejohn derangement syndrome to rear its head in the UK. Don't be shocked by it.

322 EE  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:20:42am

re #319


But what makes anti-Semitism different is that it is not this kind of casual, off-handed disdain of one people for another. It's an attribution to the Jewish people, uniquely, of a kind of cosmic evil. That's the phrase that Lewis used, "Cosmic evil," in which Jews are the agent of the corruption of all human activity.

And that is the kind of thing that you see in “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” and in a more recent version, in an article on the Lobby with the "L" capitalized, by a pair of rather distinguished professors, about the Jewish lobby in America, and how through deception, manipulation and all kinds of powers, almost supernatural, the Jews have managed to beguile and manipulate the greatest power in the history of the world into serving the interest of Jews over the interest of that great country, namely, the United States.

Or, as Alan Dershowitz put it, "attributing to the Jews the possession of occult powers and participating in secret combinations that manipulate institutions and governments."

That's the core of this kind of cosmic evil attributed to Jews by this new kind of anti-Semitism.

-- Charles Krauthammer

323 Nannette  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:24:33am

re: #302 EdwardPellew

But because the TV news is dominated by Leftists, this situation isn't reported, and the majority are sleep walking back into the 1930s.

Thank you for such a marvellous post, and for telling it like it is.

It may already be too late for Britain to recover from the rocky road they've taken themselves down. But when they have done is encouraged many Jews to leave, and many more are leaving.

The Jewish population will almost be extinct in Britain, and replaced with an almost non-productive Islamic one.

Nu Labour are certainly getting what they wished for... and more! They'll soon be forced into an understanding of Islam they'd never in their wildest dreams would have guessed would happen in the UK.

324 EE  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:27:55am

re #319


Now, historically, cosmic evil is that which is guilty of a cosmic crime. The history of anti-Semitism for the last 2,000 years has largely been the Jews as the committer of the cosmic crime, and for the first 18 or 19 centuries, that crime was deicide, where anti-Semitism was rooted in the Christian idea of Jews as the killers of Christ.

Now, as you had the waning of that kind of Christian ideology and the rise of more secular ideologies in the 20th century, that was replaced in the first half of the 20th century with the Jews as a committer of another kind of crime, also cosmic but not religious -- these are ideological crimes.

So for half of the world in the eyes of the Communists, the Jews were the anti-Christ, the capitalist, sucking the life out of the proletariat, and for the other half, in mid-century, in the Nazi part of the world, the Jews were the other kind of anti-Christ. They were the communists, the parasites, the polluter of the pure races.

Well, history has ended those two experiments in ideology, and yet anti-Semitism remains. And what remains today is a new kind of crime attributed to the Jews -- to the one Jewish state on the planet -- and that again is the cosmic crime, it's the ultimate crime of the post-colonial age: racism. The Jewish state was the only state uniquely declared a racist state in and of itself intrinsically, by its own very existence, in the famous resolution at the United Nations.

Now that resolution was ultimately repealed but we know that the sentiment remains. We know that at the subsequent Durban conference in South Africa that charge was revived, and that kind of charge, as Israel as a racist state -- uniquely on the planet -- shows up even, for example, in the document I mentioned earlier, the paper by Mearsheimer and Walt, in which they say, for example, that Israel is a country where citizenship is based on the principle of blood kinship, which of course is simply false. Easily checkable, but the idea that Israel is a state where blood is a determiner of citizenship fits nicely in that idea as Israel as a racist state.

Of course it's not so. Almost a fifth of Israel’s population is Arab, and there are no blood requirements for citizenship.

Another example in that same document is the statement of the offer Israel made at Camp David in the Camp David summit of 2000 to settle the Arab-Israeli dispute. In this document, Ehud Barak’s offer is characterized as giving the Palestinians only a disarmed set of Bantustans, meaning, of course, the South African apartheid idea of breaking up the non-white areas into small states that could be controlled by the racist neighboring state --again, making the analogy of Israel with a state, which, in fact was a racist state, namely South Africa before its liberation of the 1990s.

So what we have in the history of anti-Semitism is the history of a people accused in each age of the ultimate crime of that age. In a religious age, it's literally the killing of God. In an ideological age of communism and fascism, it's the ultimate crime from that perspective, and then in the post-colonial age, in which peoples have been liberated and racism fought all over the world, it's the accusation that the one Jewish state is uniquely racist.

-- Charles Krauthammer

325 Joel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:28:59am

320 Nannette

Don't you just love how some Brits think that Biritish Jews must distance themselves from the only democracy in the Middle East to make themselves acceptable?

326 Joel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:30:25am

re: #320 Nannette

I suspect that threecoloursblue has the same politics as Vanessa Redgrave.

327 Nannette  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:31:01am

re: #310 Londoner

"There's nothing wrong with anti-semitism, the Jews financed Slavery'. A Socialist in my local pub, which is in a very Left wing area, beloved of Leftists journalists.

The fact that a Socialist could openly discuss anti-semitism, in a left wing area of London (Hampstead) without shame or embarrasment, shows something about where we are now.

I hope you put him right on the slavery issue.

I'd love to go there and give him a piece of my own mind... I'm in Hendon, so it's not far to go...

328 Joel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:32:11am

I guess it is wishing against hope that Prince Charles open his mouth about the anti Semitism that is polluting the nation.

329 Nannette  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:32:13am

re: #314 niallster

Following on from Londoners comments. Red Ken is VERY popular within the North London Jewish community.

Some things I will never understand...

Whaaaat?!

Most London Jews HATE Red Ken!

330 Nannette  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:34:42am

re: #321 EE

Of course Richard Littlejohn, as an opponent of antisemitism, is going to be attacked. It comes with the job of opposing antisemitism.
Look for Littlejohn derangement syndrome to rear its head in the UK. Don't be shocked by it.

LOL EE, Rihcard Littlejohn has come under attack for over a decade because of his very forthright way of writing and taking on issues that no-one else would dare.

I think he's great!

331 EE  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:35:58am

re #319


Why is Zionism and Israel, among all the movements of national liberation in the world, of which Zionism was one, and why is Israel, of all the states on the planet, uniquely attacked and vilified?

The amount of paper spent at the United Nations in attacking Israel from every possible perspective is simply staggering.

Is it because the Jews allegedly took land from others? Is there a nationalism on the planet that has not taken land from others? And unlike the takers of land, who established Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and countless other countries who are not attacked as racist plunderers, the Jews had an extremely powerful claim to the land that they ended up in, namely Israel -- a historical claim. Because unlike all the others, the Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, the Argentineans, they were returning to their land, a land that they had inhabited and been sovereign over for hundreds of years. And having returned, the Jews had then repeatedly offered to divide the land amicably with those who had settled there in their absence

No, it's the idea of the Jew as a historical actor, with a Jewish army, a Jewish state, an independent Jewish presence and voice, which was so offensive and which would help to revive the old anti-Semitism.

Now, it draws on the hatred of ages, but the form and the shape today is of course focused on the new center of Jewish civilization, namely, Israel, and the almost criminal impudence of this expression of Jewish autonomy.

332 ex cathedra  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:38:43am

re: #138 goodbye_natalie

I got a feeling when the Lord does decide to put an end to the nonsense, he will have a special corner for self-loathing Jews.

Yes, it will be a very warm place.

333 Nannette  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:39:29am

re: #325 Joel

320 Nannette

Don't you just love how some Brits think that Biritish Jews must distance themselves from the only democracy in the Middle East to make themselves acceptable?


Joel, I'm a Brit, and proud to be Jewish. It's something I'd never hide.

The hypocrites make me cringe in their trying to curry favour with all and sundry, who behind their backs, spit on them, because they're Jews!

Personally I love Israel, the people and the land, it's the home of my soul... but the Israeli government right now, in my personal opinion, are no better than kapos. They keep giving away land in exchange for peace, which is just an illusion, and the same method that Chamberlain tried with the Nazis.

334 Nannette  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:41:14am

re: #326 Joel

re: #320 Nannette

I suspect that threecoloursblue has the same politics as Vanessa Redgrave.

I think a typical Guardianista type... but I could be wrong. His poliics could match that of Red Ken...

He's certainly not a Lizard.

335 Nannette  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:42:20am

re: #328 Joel

I guess it is wishing against hope that Prince Charles open his mouth about the anti Semitism that is polluting the nation.


You've got more chances of seeing pigs fly around Buckingham Palace!

Prince Charles loves his Saudi friends.... Diana couldn't stand 'em.

336 EE  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:49:44am

re #319


Anti-Semitism today occupies three radiating circles. The first, of course, is in the Islamic world, where there is not even pretence in the anti-Semitic literature of a distinction between Israelis and Jews.

If you look, for example, at the Charter of Hamas, it's all about the Jews. It's all about how they've infiltrated all the institutions on the planet, including the Rotary clubs, in their attempt to take over the world. (An odd way to approach that project, by the way.) The Hamas Charter is a perfect example of a raving anti-Semitic paranoia -- reconstructing “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.” It shows how completely this kind of Arab and Islamic extremism has absorbed the racial and religious stereotypes of Christian Europe, and in particular the Nazi stereotypes. Today, the Islamic world is the greatest producer of anti-Semitic literature on the planet.

The second circle of anti-Semitism, somewhat diminished, of course, is in Europe. In the first circle, Iran, for example, is openly dedicated to the utter destruction of the Jewish state and the genocide of the Israeli people. In Europe, we're talking about a different order of magnitude, but there is, as all of you know who've worked in this area, an alarming revival of the old anti-Semitism -- the attacks in France, the recent stabbings in Russia, the desecrations of graves - you all know about that.

Which brings us to the third circle, which is the United States. What is happening here? And of course, here, the level and intensity of anti-Semitism pales in comparison. America is a remarkable island of relative tolerance in this rather dismaying sea of resurgent anti-Semitism.

-- Charles Krauthammer

The antisemitism in the UK, in which antisemitic incidents have doubled since 2001, can be seen in the framework of the three circles of antisemitism that Krauthammer speaks of.

Mark Steyn has noted the influence of continental Europe's classical antisemitism on British thought. For example, BBC people spoke of the "Jewish problem" in the US. Also, there is the notion that only the Jews in Britain have to prove their Britishness by condemning a foreign government (Israel).

As the UK becomes integrated into Europe more and more, and loses its independence and its autonomy more and more, we may be seeing a lot more of the classical antisemitism of continental Europe growing like a weed in the UK.

337 Wicksy  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:50:35am

re: #323 Nannette

It may already be too late for Britain to recover from the rocky road they've taken themselves down.

I fear it is too late.


The Jewish population will almost be extinct in Britain, and replaced with an almost non-productive Islamic one.

On the contrary, one might say over-productive, no?

338 ex cathedra  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:55:55am

re: #175 Nannette

I've been on the receiving end of words from a VERY well known person who told me to get back to "my own country". To which I responded I'm IN my own country, get back to yours.


If you can't say who that person is, could you at least hint in what area he is famous? A politician? A journalist? An actor?

339 Gorgon  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:03:24am

This must be among the all-time most depressing videos I've ever seen. How can a school for kiddies have anti-bomb windows? That should tell you enough about the level certain countries have reached. Scary stuff.

340 Joel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:04:19am

Nannette

I 'll bet that if Margaret Thatcher was still around as Prime Minister (and in good health) she would not have been afraid of taking the anti Semites on -starting with Red Ken.
I obviously was being sarcastic regarding Prince Charles. He will always co currying (pun intended) favor with the Muslims.

I saw a movie a couple of months ago called "Starter for 10" which takes place in Cambridge in 1985. The female lead character Rebbecca Hall(daughter of Peter Hall of the RSC) plays a Jewish student who tells James McAvoy that "I come from a Jewish Non Zionist family" and I am thinking to myself as I watched it "why did she have to say non Zionist"?

341 EE  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:09:04am

We are falling under the imam's spell, by Mark Steyn
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

342 EE  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:12:09am

re #341


Let me see if I understand the BBC Rules of Engagement correctly: if you're Robert Kilroy-Silk and you make some robust statements about the Arab penchant for suicide bombing, amputations, repression of women and a generally celebratory attitude to September 11 – none of which is factually in dispute – the BBC will yank you off the air and the Commission for Racial Equality will file a complaint to the police which could result in your serving seven years in gaol. Message: this behaviour is unacceptable in multicultural Britain.

But, if you're Tom Paulin and you incite murder, in a part of the world where folks need little incitement to murder, as part of a non-factual emotive rant about how "Brooklyn-born" Jewish settlers on the West Bank "should be shot dead" because "they are Nazis" and "I feel nothing but hatred for them", the BBC will keep you on the air, kibitzing (as the Zionists would say) with the crème de la crème of London's cultural arbiters each week. Message: this behaviour is completely acceptable.

So, while the BBC is "investigating" Kilroy, its only statement on Mr Paulin was an oblique but curiously worded allusion to the non-controversy on the Corporation website: "His polemical, knockabout style has ruffled feathers in the US, where the Jewish question is notoriously sensitive." "The Jewish question"? "Notoriously sensitive"? Is this really how they talk at the BBC?


Mr Paulin's style is only metaphorically knockabout. But, a few days after his remarks were published in the Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram, some doughty Palestinian "activists" rose to his challenge and knocked about some settlers more literally, murdering among others five-year-old Danielle Shefi. In a touch of symbolism the critic in Mr Paulin might have found a wee bit obvious, they left her Mickey Mouse sheets soaked in blood.

343 ex cathedra  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:25:58am

#305 Londoner 7/11/2007 3:34:02 am PDT reply quote

They said most came from East Europeans who I have found to be very anti-Semitic, growing up under communism.

Yes, you are correct. East Europeans are very antisemitic. Much more so that the British or the French. Or maybe they are less shy about vocalizing their prejudices. However, this has nothing to do with communism whatsoever, but with their culture. They most egregious incidents of Nazi-collaboration and massacre of the Jews among local populations took place in Poland, West Ukraine, and the Baltic countries - places that had not been communist before WWII.

344 fenris  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:38:04am

Damn this is depressing.

345 Londoner  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:46:53am

>and I am thinking to myself as I watched it "why did she have to say non Zionist"?

It means - "I'm a good self-hating Jew, don't disown me, I'm not like the others'.

There were good self-hating Jews in Nazi Germany who co-operated with the Nazis.

I have to wonder, what the Left will do in 10 years time..


When Britain is 15% Muslim.

When many Msulim areas of the North declare Sharia law, and police find their presence is not accepted.

When Islamists are elected to parliament

When Muslims feel they no longer need to wait, or hide, but can declare their own fascism

When the Left finds its self under attack from the very people it championed.


I spend a lot of time in areas where Leftie journalists live, and the level of ignorance is incredible. Because the European intellectual elite is mostly middle-upper class, it is protected from the harsh realities of the world.

But for how long.

346 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:54:47am
347 Joel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:59:21am

re: #345 Londoner

When I saw it I almost felt relieved that she did not say "Anti Zionist family".

348 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 8:06:12am
349 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 8:06:46am
350 Facts of Life  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 8:21:54am

There were at least 3 problems with the anti Semitism report though overall it was not bad.

It totally left out the anti Semitism that comes directly from the Koran. This is a more direct source than the bogus Palestinian issue.

There was the implicit presumption that Israel is wrong.

It left out the pervasive anti Israel and general anti Semitic tone of the majority of the UK media.

351 Joel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 8:25:43am

re: #334 Nannette

re: #326 Joel

re: #320 Nannette

I suspect that threecoloursblue has the same politics as Vanessa Redgrave.

I think a typical Guardianista type... but I could be wrong. His politics could match that of Red Ken...

He's certainly not a Lizard.

I hear the Guardian is actually referred to (due to its poor editing and numerous misspellings), as The Grauniad.

352 Joel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 8:27:29am

re: #350 Facts of Life


There was the implicit presumption that Israel is wrong.

It left out the pervasive anti Israel and general anti Semitic tone of the majority of the UK media.

Yeah that is the one thing that bothered me, the presumption that Israel is in the wrong and that the idea that British Jews need to distance themselves from Israel which is an outrageous thing.

353 Londoner  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 9:38:06am

I didn't get that impression at all, in fact Littlejohn didn't make any judgements about Israel, but he did interview a Muslim who did.

He did mention the Left, but left out the British media, but it was only a 1hr show, and there was so much to get in.

The range of anti-semtic evil in Britain today is so varied and pervasive, that it would take a 10 part series to exaimine it properly.

He did say that he first approached the BBC about doing this programme, mostly for a joke, of course it was turned down.

He said that if he'd asked to do a show about Islamophobia he'd be offered a 10 part series and won awards...

As it is, Littlejohn did a great service to the nation. He is hated on the Left, and by the BBC, and only Channel 4, which is usually quite Leftists, gave him the chance.

Its sad that this programme will have almsot no effect. The left controals most British media, and a 1 hour show is an irrelevance. For the next 10 years, we'll get the standard hate-Jew fayre, after that.... when cars start buring and natives find they can't walk in Muslim areas for fear of attack, when this country faces civil war and the same militancy as Pakistan faces in Islamobad, perhaps then.. the Left will wake up to evil.

I'm reminded that before WW2, the Labour slogan for the election was 'Not one penny more on defence more than necessary'.

Times, they don't change.

354 niallster  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 10:27:39am

Being called a moron and vile by Ploome is ultimately a compliment.

At post 295 on this thread Dom nails Ploome more succinctly and eloquently than I ever have so I will just refer you to his post.

355 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 2:02:48pm
356 threecoloursblue  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 3:46:28pm

re: #303 Wicksy

re: #320 Nannette

re: #334 Nannette

I said, and I meant it, that if I were Jewish I wouldn't want Littlejohn on my side. He is a well known rascist. The part in the show where he looks at old fascist propoganda and compares it to todays stuff left out his own Daily Mail headline of the time " Hurrah for the Blackshirts ". The Mails owner only stopped supporting Mosley, Hitler and Mussolini when the govt of the time threatened to close his newspapers down.
Todays Mail isn't a lot different , attacking the weak, whom no-one will make too much noise over.
In the words of the actor Stephen Fry - jewish - " everybody hates the Mail from the highest in the land to the average pop star ..."
The entrepeneur Sir Alan Sugar - jewish - sued the and won £100,000 in a libel case. Littlejohn's a creep who works for a creepy paper.

357 Dom  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 3:55:39pm

re: #355 ploome hinenino one is doubting that some righteous people exist in Britain, acting against the tide of overwhelming antisemitism of the British culture as a whole

George Orwell recognized it, Melanie Phillips sees it, Littlejohn sees it

but some of you here do not?

Islamist extremism and Muslim and leftist vilification of Israel are without question a problem, and our media has been loudly complicit, but I do not see what you just described to a degree that warrants your hysterics.

I am deeply concerned at the growth of the Muslim and leftist anti-Israel lobby here as well as the growing confidence of Israel's enemies close to home, but I wouldn't chalk Britain up as one of them. I say this because when you exaggerate a problem people overlook it altogether, and the situation is worrisome enough not to need exaggerating.

Living and working here in Britain I generally find myself surrounded by agreeable and decent people.

358 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:56:14pm
359 green helmet guy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:00:45am

WOW just check out the reply posts on You tube! they just prove the point:

knowledgefreedom (9 hours ago) Marked as spam
The ware is on truth.
Jews are manipulator and liars (not all but many).
Israel is a terrorist state

gujarkhan123 (17 hours ago) Marked as spam
Fuck you%uFEFF zionist!

BigEdd34 (7 hours ago) Marked as spam
is this for real? jews under attack? man jews have never had it so good! Islam is under attack... now that i can believe.

bjsBear (10 hours ago) Marked as spam
sensationalist nonesense - heavy bias - transparent - Propoganda - just another attempt to keep jewish sympathy in the media......

and the list goes on and on and on...


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