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-RetweetBloody Mosque Battle Ends

Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 11:30:33 am PDT

With more than 80 people dead, the fighting is finally over at the Red Mosque in Islamabad.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Commandos cleared the warren-like Red Mosque complex of rebel fighters Wednesday, ending a fierce eight-day siege and street battles that left more than 80 dead, and the government warned it would not tolerate militancy in any of Pakistan’s thousands of religious schools.

Maj. Gen. Waheed Arshad said the compound was still being combed for mines, booby traps and other weaponry. “The first phase of the operation is over. There are no more militants left inside,” Arshad said in a telephone interview.

Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz told reporters that no bodies of women and children had been found inside the sprawling complex and said the probability such bodies would be found during the “mopping up” operation was low. “The major group of women was all together and came out all together,” he said, referring to 27 women and three children who emerged from the mosque Tuesday. ...

More than 50 militants and 10 soldiers were killed and 33 wounded in the final, 35-hour assault by the elite Special Services Group which began early Tuesday, the army said. The dead including the mosque’s pro-Taliban cleric Abdul Rashid Ghazi.

The commandos went in after unsuccessful attempts to get the mosque’s militants to surrender to a weeklong siege mounted by the government following deadly street clashes with armed supporters of the mosque on July 3.

The extremists had been using the mosque as a base to send out radicalized students to enforce their version of Islamic morality, including abducting alleged prostitutes and trying to “re-educate” them at the compound in the heart of Pakistan’s capital.

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1 JamesTKirk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:31:45am

On to the next one!

2 storagemanager  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:32:51am

what next?

3 JamesTKirk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:33:09am

abducting alleged prostitutes and trying to “re-educate” them at the compound in the heart of Pakistan’s capital.

Nudge nudge, wink wink

4 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:33:43am

It will end when the Red Mosque is a pile of rubble. Not until.
This time next month someone will have taken up residence and will be doing the same thing.

5 caviar  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:34:11am

Imagine, just imagine a second that the same thing had happened in Israel, if the IDF had to storm a mosque. The whole world would be demonstrating screaming that a massacre was taking place.

When Muslims kill other Muslims, it's like the weather news. nobody cares much, it is business as usual.

Leftists and other islamist apologists are hanging there, waiting for a similar thing to occur with Christians or especially Jews, so that they can scream and vomite their hatred feelings.

6 Sizzlack  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:35:00am

good riddance

7 ChenZhen  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:35:12am

I guess the mosque earned its name.

8 Comrade X  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:35:45am

heres hoping that future bloody mosque battles continue...

9 Infidelsalwayswin  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:35:52am

5:1 Kill/Death ratio - nice.

10 mattm  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:36:09am

Just bomb the place and turn it ion a pile of rubble. That is the only good way to solve the problem with t a mosque.

11 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:36:28am
12 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:37:13am

A little paint and spackle, and it'll make a wonderful tourist attraction...

13 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:37:34am
14 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:38:53am

re: #5 caviar

I just got a creepy.

Maybe Homicide bombers are in short supply outside of British doctors of Asian decent and/or security in the west is better. But how many hostage situations have there been recently. Are the peas and raisins going to start a wave of these?

15 zulubaby  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:38:56am

Jew haters everywhere!

Ick.

16 opnion  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:39:32am

The body count is really something. This stuff never fails to amaze.
They brought prostitutes in to reeducate? Yeah I'll bet. Probably just a little friendly persuasion and no torture at all

17 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:39:34am

I'd take this with a grain of salt actually. They've still got to clear rooms of booby traps and explosives. The thing I'm surprised about is the wide range of number attributed to this whole thing. Some pegged the numbers holed up inside at up to 1,000 while this report suggests a far lower tally, based on those who were killed, captured, or freed.

I don't think we'll know the full tally for some time, if at all. Roggio had reported 100+ killed thus far in the fighting yesterday, and the fighting continued into today.

18 zulubaby  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:39:43am

Wow Charles, comments are sleek and sexy.

19 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:40:09am

re: #11 song_and_dance_man


you're profiling:)

20 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:40:12am

re: #13 song_and_dance_man

Musharraf has to go after the Islamists elsewhere in the country, and that means going into the Afghan/Pakistani border areas, which isn't friendly territory.

21 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:40:27am

Well if the Americans had done this at a certain mosque in Iraq when a certain radical cleric who commutes between Iran and Iraq was holed up in it I wonder what effect it would have had on the situation in Iraq.

22 mo foe  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:40:33am

They turn it into a damn holy shrine and it will continue to be red-soaked. level it!

23 Condor  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:40:38am

From what I have read, the mosque defenders pretended to negotiate in order to gain time for the high-value targets to escape via a tunnel.

So, the important targets may have escaped (leaving possibly 100 or more dead civilians, including schoolgirls, behind).

24 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:41:13am

re: #16 opnion

The brought in people that they "suspected" of being prostitutes. People like the Chinese Restraunt owners.

25 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:41:21am
The extremists had been using the mosque as a base to send out radicalized students to enforce their version of Islamic morality

What an unusual use for a mosque! Really! Totally outta left field!


#9 Infideletc.:

5:1 Kill/Death ratio - nice.

Hm, I'd have expected a better ratio, to be frank. I'd say they should have subcontracted the job to the Sayeret Matkal, SAS, or even Peruvian Navy commandos.

26 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:41:51am

End of one seige. Beginning of another..

Scores flee refugee camp in Lebanon

BEIRUT, Lebanon - At least 150 Palestinians fled a northern refugee camp Wednesday in anticipation of an assault by the Lebanese army battling Islamic militants holed up inside.

Just some muslim-on-muslim stuff.. nothing to see here... moving right along.

27 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:42:30am

LOL!re: #7 ChenZhen

I guess the mosque earned its name.

28 g3n3r1c  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:42:43am
29 Silhouette  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:43:53am

Is it just over power? (Our extremists not your extremists), just for show, or was it that the Pakistan position is bad, but not as bad as the Red Mosque jihadists? In the end, I don't care. We can't mindread. I just go by actions.

They took them out. Good for them.

30 xtraBilly  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:44:12am

I will sing this vict'ry song, woo, hoo,hoo,woo, hoo,hoo

31 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:44:24am
32 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:45:15am

re: #15 zulubaby

I dont suppose they'd let the IDF guard those places?

Charged with 'hooliganism' for gang thumping a rabbi? The Brown Shirts were hooligans

33 jemima  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:45:25am

pre-deleted

34 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:45:50am

completely OT (with my apologies):

what is that youtube link that killgore posted from india with the guy in the white shirt and black pants dancing with 4 backup dancer guys?

35 Burkha, Flies and a Shiekh  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:46:07am

OT - this from "The Day" (New London, CT) July 11, 2007 website:

"Orson Bong, 29, of 16 Laurel Hill Ave., Norwich, was charged Tuesday with possession...of marijuana."

36 Tricky Dick  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:46:22am
The extremists had been using the mosque as a base to send out radicalized students to enforce their version of Islamic morality, including abducting alleged prostitutes and trying to “re-educate” them at the compound in the heart of Pakistan’s capital.

Islam, the new Stalinism.

37 JamesTKirk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:47:28am

re: #36 Tricky Dick

The extremists had been using the mosque as a base to send out radicalized students to enforce their version of Islamic morality, including abducting alleged prostitutes and trying to “re-educate” them at the compound in the heart of Pakistan’s capital.

Islam, the new Stalinism.

Yet another thing they have in common with the mainstream Left.

Seriously, those guys all need to get a room together.

(We may need to expand Gitmo.)

38 Eowyn2  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:47:35am

re: #23 Condor

I think I'd have to know the ages of those 'school girls' because all he pictures I've seen of the mosque 'refugees' seem to be adult woman size. no little tiny Hijabs (Hajibs?) Burkas.

39 cbinflux  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:48:14am

Raze it!

40 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:48:25am

As I recall, neither Jim Jones nor David Koresh left booby traps behind as a legacy. What a lovely bunch have the demon allah and his imp mohammed (Spam BUH) gathered to their infernally hot breasts.

41 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:48:28am

re: #26 NoSubmission

That's not the beginning, but the continuation of a six week operation by the Lebanese military against Fatah al Islam.

42 AZDave  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:50:54am

Why is everyone so surprised at anti-Semitism in Europe; it's been the bastion of anti-Semitism for hundreds of year and it's not likely going to change anytime soon (if ever).

43 jcm  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:51:10am

re: #9 Infidelsalwayswin

5:1 Kill/Death ratio - nice.

I prefer the ratio like Mogidishu. 100-120 to 1.

Ideally &#8734 to 0.

44 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:51:31am

This isn't it. But I think it would tee off the jihadis no less!
re: #34 blue_like_jazz

completely OT (with my apologies):

what is that youtube link that killgore posted from india with the guy in the white shirt and black pants dancing with 4 backup dancer guys?

45 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:51:52am

The beginning of the end maybe?
re: #41 lawhawk

46 Sponge  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:52:30am

mosques everywhere should be bugged and on surveillance 24/7...


I'm just not sure why I would say such a thing...

47 Silhouette  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:52:35am

re: #40 Pullus Iulius

As I recall, neither Jim Jones nor David Koresh left booby traps behind as a legacy.

Speaking of Koresh, the specific tribe of Mohammad, spelled sometimes Quarish or Quraysh, was spelled Koreish in a book I was reading.

From one cult to another...

48 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:52:37am

OT: EU President Calls it a 'European Empire'

[Link: eureferendum.blogspot.com...]

an Empire of Idiots

49 Rednek  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:53:08am

They should change the name from Red Mosque to Blood Mosque. The name seems more consistent with Islamic piety.

50 paxnhymn  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:53:15am

re: #38 Eowyn2

"no little tiny Hijabs (Hajibs?) Burkas." curtains, tablecloths,buttwrags, cowardmasks.. same thing..

51 joncelli  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:53:33am

Maybe -- just maybe -- Musharraf has gotten the memo that killing the jihadis is a form of life-extension for him.

Fewer of them, more of Perv.

52 Sizzlack  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:54:01am

The NYPost article on the event this morning said the Pakistani govt ordered 400 white shrouds, expecting there to be significantly more casualties than there were.

53 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:54:10am

re: #44 NoSubmission

This isn't it. But I think it would tee off the jihadis no less!
re: #34 blue_like_jazz

completely OT (with my apologies):

what is that youtube link that killgore posted from india with the guy in the white shirt and black pants dancing with 4 backup dancer guys?


nosub... that's HILARIOUS! but i really need that killgore clip!

bueller, bueller?!? the song is totally catchy!

54 easy  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:54:44am

Iranian wife faces death by stoning for adultery

Amnesty International UK director Kate Allen, launching an "urgent" appeal, said: "To execute anyone by stoning is barbaric and disgraceful, to execute a woman for adultery in this cruel way simply beggars belief.


"Still, she added, they are are not nearly as bad as the Americans and Israelis."

55 paxnhymn  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:55:02am

re: #49 Rednek

best new name should be, "unimproved lot"

56 Ma Sands  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:55:06am

re: #17 lawhawk

Does that go, then, too, for the statement that no women's or children's bodies were or are expected to be found therein...?

57 mahatma coat  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:55:15am

this reminds me of the incident at the end of the afghan battle(yes I know its still going on ,still)when an unfortunate CIA agent was set upon by a load of jihadis with nothing but boots and teeth.Then they holed up in a warren of a basement refusing to surrender.You have to hand it to them ,they are determined .This should also be a reminder that decency has no place in this conflict .Like a mere 2 years after the allies were horrified by the blitz we were firebombing civilian areas of europe .They are counting on our inate decency .We can't let them .Eventually barbarity will be met by barbarity or we lose.
Does this make us the same as the terrorists?...An emphatic NO
we must proceed from the assumption we are right and then do what is necessary to win

58 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:55:21am

I think Musharraf is not as weak as he is sometimes depicted. The Pakistani economy has been booming for 5 years. Their military is modernizing. Theie electrical consumption grows every year while they race to increase power generation.

In such a case, the rich, the middle class and the working poor would all suport the stability of the government. His only enemy is the religious fundamentaists and he seems to be taking the fight to them and not vice versa.

/.02

59 Catttt  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:55:59am

Good on Pakistan in a tough situation - it hurts my head just to think about the difficulties they face.

The epitome of cowardace to me is for grown men to hide behind women and children or to wear women's clothes to try to escape. These "radicals" are craven cowards. They will lose eventually here on earth and ultimately in hell, unless they mend their ways, and I am not holding my breath on that.

60 MrMom  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:56:12am

Oh NO! That was the 50,612 th most holy place in all of islam.

61 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:56:15am
mines, booby traps and other weaponry

See?

/I told you it was a place of worship

62 bianchi_roadie  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:56:46am

...enforce their version of Islamic morality, including abducting alleged prostitutes...

And by "prostitutes" they mean "woman found walking alone" or "woman speaking to a man not her husband".

63 mo foe  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:57:08am

re: #57 mahatma coat
what you said.

64 bikermailman  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:57:47am

I just wonder if Ghazi ('cleric' my big ol butt) was killed by the army, or his own people. He made the prediction that he would certainly be martyred from this, and waiting on the army, they might have caught him, denying him his perpetual virgins and multitude of young boys.

65 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:58:03am

The mosque was a target.

66 Sizzlack  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:58:57am

re: #64 bikermailman

An article I read said the army fired on him and he was shot, then given orders to surrender. When he did not they opened fire again hitting and killing him.

67 storagemanager  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:59:18am
Babylonian King's Eunuch Really Existed!...Upon reading the tablet, which records a donation of gold by "the chief eunuch of King Nebuchadnezzar," a man named Nabu-sharrussu-ukin, Jursa suddenly realized that the name sounded familiar. He quickly consulted Jeremiah 39, where he found the man's name listed as one of Nebuchadnezzar's top ministers who took part in the destruction of the First Holy Temple 2,500 years ago. The Biblical account, however, has his named spelled slightly differently

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

68 mahatma coat  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:59:58am

re: #57 mahatma coat
assumption we are right

69 bikermailman  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:00:10pm

re: #54 easy

"Still, she added, they are are not nearly as bad as the Americans and Israelis."


The thing about humor is, there tends to be at least a grain of truth in there. You could easily see AI saying something stupid like that.

70 bikermailman  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:02:24pm

re: #66 Sizzlack

Thank you. I hadn't seen that, as of last night.

71 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:02:43pm

Could this be Sudden Jihad Syndrom?

OAKLAND -- A convicted murderer and rapist was charged Tuesday with special circumstances murder for allegedly celebrating his 55th birthday on Sunday by stabbing his wife to death and also stabbing her sister and her sister's son.

Jesus Jihad, 55, was scheduled to be arraigned in Alameda County Superior Court.

Assistant District Attorney Tom Rogers said Jihad is charged with one count of murder for allegedly stabbing his wife, 35-year-old Aisha Hendricks 10 times and two counts of assault with a deadly weapon for allegedly stabbing her sister Emma Bowers, and Bowers' 17-year-old son DeAnthony.

Rogers said he also charged Jihad with the special circumstance of multiple murder because Jihad was convicted in 1974 of murdering a man in Alameda in 1973.

In addition, Jihad was convicted of rape and forcible oral copulation for a 1993 attack in Berkeley, Rogers said.

Jihad could face the death penalty if he's convicted of special circumstances murder.

72 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:03:38pm

I guess there is no way to segue this topic into a soon to be Category 4 Typhoon, its eye-wall ringed in thunderstorms so tall their tops are -90ºC, that will batter Japan late Friday discussion?

Same storm, new colors.


Which d'yall like better?

73 Had Enough  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:04:01pm

re: #6 Sizzlack

good riddance

My first thought too!

74 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:04:42pm

re: #72 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I guess there is no way to segue this topic into a soon to be Category 4 Typhoon, its eye-wall ringed in thunderstorms so tall their tops are -90%uFFFDC, that will batter Japan late Friday discussion?

Same storm, new colors.


Which d'yall like better?

OK, now the second link has the new colors. I'll bet my finger missed the "control" and I just stuck a "c" in the URL line in my other browser window.

75 thanos  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:04:49pm

I've stopped updating on the mosque, the important action there ended pretty much yesterday. What amazes me is the catalogue of events the media fails to tally:

They issued death fatwahs against a magazine (Octane) and it's entire staff for a photo spread that depicted Adam and Eve
They beat the "prostitutes" they kidnapped
They Kidnapped Police and other govt officials
They issued numerous suicide bombing threats
They issued fatwahs against the government of Pakistan
They were ejected from the Deobandi council (trust me you have to work realll hard at something for that to happen.)
They issued a fatwah against the tourism minister for Pakistan, resulting in her resignaition (Nilofer Bhaktiar)

Instead the media paints them as a group of religious conservatives wanting to clean up Islamabad, sort of "Walking Tall " Islamabad, which just feeds the terrorist's myth. The media are such puppets nowadays for agitprop.

76 bikermailman  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:04:52pm

AAAHHH! A typhoon! Global Warming! We're all gonna diiieee!
/stoopid twit off

77 Sponge  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:05:08pm
Rosie Hurls Profanities at Elizabeth Hasselbeck, Defaces Her Photo On Gay Family Cruise...

Will her 15 minutes EVER END?!?

78 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:05:57pm

This is curious, CNN is predicting talking points:

Meanwhile, the interior minister said Pakistan's President Gen. Pervez Musharraf is expected to address the nation in a televised appearance Wednesday.

Talking points might include "the whole stage of events that happened and how the government has responded," Sherpao said. "We have been able to save over 1,300 people so that is one achievement we have made."

Sherpao was making reference to the more than 1,200 people -- mainly students from the mosque's two Islamic schools -- who fled the compound. On Tuesday a total of 86 people came out of the mosque's madrassa -- or Islamic school. That number included 27 women and three children who Arshad said were rescued "from the clutches of the militants."

Others did not escape alive.

79 Catttt  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:06:10pm
#71 njdhockeyfan 7/11/2007 12:02:43 pm PDT reply quote

Could this be Sudden Jihad Syndrom?

OAKLAND -- A convicted murderer and rapist was charged Tuesday with special circumstances murder for allegedly celebrating his 55th birthday on Sunday by stabbing his wife to death and also stabbing her sister and her sister's son.

Jesus Jihad, 55, was scheduled to be arraigned in Alameda County Superior Court.

Maybe, but it sounds more like long rap sheet Jihad. :)

80 Joel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:06:21pm

Funny how the Pakistanis have no hesitancy about attacking Mosques.

81 cbinflux  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:07:02pm

OT
Bin Laden's son weds grandmother from Cheshire

She is a 51-year-old grandmother and parish councillor from a village in Cheshire, he is a 27-year-old Arab scrap metal dealer from Jeddah... who just happens to be the son of Osama bin Laden.

Mrs Felix-Browne, who has been married five times before, met Bin Laden in Egypt last September while she was undergoing treatment for multiple sclerosis.

Her new husband already has a wife and a two-year-old child - under Islamic law men are permitted to have four wives - while Mrs Felix-Browne has three adult sons and five grandchildren.

They married in Islamic ceremonies in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and are now awaiting permission from the authorities in Riyadh to make the marriage official.

Mrs Felix-Browne, who will not be using her husband's name, is also trying to get him a visa so he can visit Britain.

...and be arrested for bigamy, right?

82 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:07:10pm

Do you mean this video?

re: #53 blue_like_jazz

83 jcm  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:07:23pm

re: #71 njdhockeyfan

Could this be Sudden Jihad Syndrom?

OAKLAND -- A convicted murderer and rapist was charged Tuesday with special circumstances murder for allegedly celebrating his 55th birthday on Sunday by stabbing his wife to death and also stabbing her sister and her sister's son.

Jesus Jihad, 55, was scheduled to be arraigned in Alameda County Superior Court.

Assistant District Attorney Tom Rogers said Jihad is charged with one count of murder for allegedly stabbing his wife, 35-year-old Aisha Hendricks 10 times and two counts of assault with a deadly weapon for allegedly stabbing her sister Emma Bowers, and Bowers' 17-year-old son DeAnthony.

Rogers said he also charged Jihad with the special circumstance of multiple murder because Jihad was convicted in 1974 of murdering a man in Alameda in 1973.

In addition, Jihad was convicted of rape and forcible oral copulation for a 1993 attack in Berkeley, Rogers said.

Jihad could face the death penalty if he's convicted of special circumstances murder.

You're ignoring the most obvious link; he is a JESUS freak.
/sarc

84 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:08:03pm

Koskidz question the timing...
New terror "Warnings" just a distraction from Iraq, Libby, "Sicko", Surgeon Generals, et al.


Anyone who has ever worked in PR knows that your goal is always to counter bad press with good, and pronto. And with the hearings on Capitol Hill, reaction from the Libby commutation, more GOP members calling for troop withdrawal, shelling in Baghdad's allegedly safe "Green Zone", the success of Michael Moore's "Sicko", and sex scandal plaguing one of Congress' most conservative members, The White House is in desperate need for good PR.


...as always.

85 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:08:10pm

Hey NoSubmission !
It was good to see you last week-end, the pics are great! Thanks for your dedication!

86 mahatma coat  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:08:33pm

re: #80 Joel


or attacking during ramadan or whatever ...those are merely white guilt worries

87 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:09:44pm

re: #53 blue_like_jazz

give me a minute to find that one again.

88 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:11:08pm

Hey! Always great to see you guys! Did you see the pic of hte British officers that Pam, David and Tom ran into in Times Square afterwards? I have it up on my blog.

Oh... save the date 7/29 - Central Park. Mama Moonbat's NYC leg of her 'Summer of Love '07' cross country tour. We're preparing a nice warm welcome. Lizard style!

re: #85 eastvillageinfidel

89 sheik yer'mami  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:11:11pm

In support of Robert Spencer's Jihad Watch:

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

90 Infidelsalwayswin  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:11:14pm

As a dull blade tore through the Koskid's neck ejecting a fine mist of blood across the room, he was heard to whimper, 'I question the timing...'

91 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:11:31pm

Is this it?


re: #87 Killgore Trout

92 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:11:32pm

re: #74 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #72 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet


I guess there is no way to segue this topic into a soon to be Category 4 Typhoon, its eye-wall ringed in thunderstorms so tall their tops are -90©C, that will batter Japan late Friday discussion?

Same storm, new colors.


The University of Wisconsin CIMMS program has an automated algorithm that applies the Dvorak satellite intensity technique to tropical cyclones around the world.

Per CIMMS, Man-Yi is almost a category 5 Super-Typhoon!


Which d'yall like better?


OK, now the second link has the new colors. I'll bet my finger missed the "control" and I just stuck a "c" in the URL line in my other browser window.
93 Sponge  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:11:50pm
Anyone who has ever worked in PR knows that your goal is always to counter bad press with good, and pronto. And with the hearings on Capitol Hill, reaction from the Libby commutation, more GOP members calling for troop withdrawal, shelling in Baghdad's allegedly safe "Green Zone", the success of Michael Moore's "Sicko", and sex scandal plaguing one of Congress' most conservative members, The White House is in desperate need for good PR.


Is that pos really considered successful?

94 Catttt  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:12:12pm

re: #81 cbinflux

OT
Bin Laden's son weds grandmother from Cheshire

Mrs Felix-Browne, who has been married five times before...

Why am I suddenly thinking of Herman's Hermits? /;)

95 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:12:17pm

re: #80 Joel

Funny how the Pakistanis have no hesitancy about attacking Mosques.


Why should they- just Muslim on Muslim murder - nothing to report on. Let's see if we can find a Palestinian who had to wait 20 minutes to go through an Israeli checkpoint- then we have a real case of human tragedy.

96 Sponge  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:13:00pm

Breaking News:

zawarhiri calls for revenge attacks in Pakistan for the red mosque attacks...

97 Ma Sands  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:13:32pm

re: #75 thanos

Thank you for keeping linking us to Metroblogging Islamabad.
From the article Charles posted above, it says no women's or children's bodies were or are expected to be found in the mosque complex...could this be truth...?

98 bob tail  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:13:38pm
The extremists had been using the mosque as a base to send out radicalized students to enforce their version of Islamic morality, including abducting alleged prostitutes and trying to “re-educate” them at the compound in the heart of Pakistan’s capital.

I would send all the moonbat-profs and lefties to re-education in that compound. They would return after maximum one week as the greatest Bush-fans and pro-Israel adherents.

99 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:13:43pm

re: #95 madisonsfriend

That's what is referred to as IDSTtm (via Meryl Yourish)

100 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:13:51pm

re: #34 blue_like_jazz

here it is : Babe Bhangra Pounde Ne - Gurdas Maan

Those are some funky Sadargi.

101 bikermailman  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:13:57pm

re: #79 Cattt

Maybe, but it sounds more like long rap sheet Jihad. :)


Or, was it a prison conversion? Take a longtime dirtbag, convert him in prison, combine that hateful personality with the 'freedom' that Islam provides, and you get a bit of both.

102 bikermailman  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:15:25pm

re: #90 Infidelsalwayswin

As a dull blade tore through the Koskid's neck ejecting a fine mist of blood across the room, he was heard to whimper, 'I question the timing...'

A bit of sick humor, but I had to LOL.

103 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:15:26pm

#88 NoSubmission

I did see the pic of the officers, I wish I could have stayed for that. As for the 29th, you can count on my scaly presence!

104 mean Gene  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:15:44pm

Are there any pics to see if the mosque will be salvagable or a total loss?
I hope the latter.
So, there weren't quite as many girls in there as predicted, right?
And lastly, my extremist islam is OK, your extremist islam has got to go, is that the way to turn the war against the grat and the little satans into a never-ending civil war within islam?
When will these fighters finally realize that their "god" is NOT on their side?

105 Shug  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:18:15pm

I know this has been beaten to death...but not by me yet

The extremists had been using the mosque as a base to send out radicalized students to enforce their version of Islamic morality, including abducting alleged prostitutes and trying to “re-educate” them at the compound in the heart of Pakistan’s capital.

Now class, for the ugly woman who is uncovered in front of the man, remember this lesson

Missionary = bad
Reverse cowgirl = good
Doggie Style = better

106 doubledip  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:18:21pm

re: #58 experiencedtraveller

I hope so. The article, however, seems intent on painting a more pessimistic picture...

The casualties at the Red Mosque could further turn public opinion against President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who already faces a backlash for his bungled attempts to fire the country's chief justice.

Following several fiery anti-government protests Tuesday, about 500 people chanting "Death to Musharraf!" rallied for an hour Wednesday in the northwest frontier city of Peshawar.

500 people in a land of 170 million does not exactly equal "public opinion".

107 paxnhymn  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:18:43pm

re: #91 NoSubmission

I can't tell if that's a Chanel or Green lantern logo on the smaller of the Butt Brothers..

GL would be so proud! NOT!

108 bikermailman  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:19:24pm

re: #105 Shug
Missionary = bad
Reverse cowgirl = good
Doggie Style = better


I'll take all three, please. :D

109 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:19:24pm

This one will be loads of fun! I guarantee it!
re: #103 eastvillageinfidel

110 Bobblehead  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:19:57pm

Anyone seen this yet. Via Jawa
Open the web site in a new tab and it keeps refreshing itself automatically thus eating up Taliban bandwidth. Not being a techie, I have no idea how it works. LOL

111 Bob Tail  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:20:08pm

re: #96 Sponge

Breaking News:

zawarhiri calls for revenge attacks in Pakistan for the red mosque attacks...

Zawarhiri is a breaking shit

112 Sponge  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:20:29pm

AP reporting Bush ordering Harriet Myers to defy subpoenas and NOT testify on the firing of the 8 attorneys...

113 opnion  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:21:00pm

re: #71 njdhockeyfan

Jesus Jihad? Unbelievable.
I am just guessing that Jesus & his wife Aisha are converts to the RoP.
You would have thought that Islam would have given him peace in his inner struggle. I mean you almost never hear of a Muslim involved in violence. An Asian or two maybe , but not a Muslim.

114 Sponge  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:22:17pm

re: #113 opnion

re: #71 njdhockeyfan

Jesus Jihad? Unbelievable.
I am just guessing that Jesus & his wife Aisha are converts to the RoP.
You would have thought that Islam would have given him peace in his inner struggle. I mean you almost never hear of a Muslim involved in violence. An Asian or two maybe , but not a Muslim.

Are you sure he wasn't buddist?

115 storagemanager  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:22:55pm
US delivers two F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan
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The United States has delivered two F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan and will hand over another 24 shortly, the US Embassy said Wednesday.

Pakistan received the two planes Tuesday at a ceremony at an air base in the western city of Sargodha attended by US Ambassador Anne Patterson and senior Pakistani and US air force officials.

The 26 aircraft, provided by the US Air Force, will join 34 F-16s already in Pakistan's armory, the statement said. They are separate from an order for 18 new F-16 signed last September.


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

116 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:23:09pm

Regarding momma moonbats "walk" here is the schedule for the first part.
July 10 Crawford Tx Houston Tx
July 11 Houston Tx. New Orleans La.
July 12 New Orleans La. Montgomery Al.
July 13 Montgomery Al. Ft. Benning Ga,
July 14 Ft. Benning Ga Atlanta Ga.
July 15 Atlanta Ga. Gainsville Ga.
July 16 Ganisville Ga. Clemson SC

BTW anybody seen them yet? What day is this?
Also they tried to spell Gainesville, GA twice and misspelled it both times. And these guys are my intellectual superiors?

117 Comrade X  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:23:28pm

the "success" of michael moore's sicko? he's still in the red from that film, which explains why he's been making these desperate cnn appearances.

118 Carl B  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:23:43pm

Let's see, the so-called "Jenin massacre" resulted in about 52 palestinian terrorists killed and 23 Israeli soldiers, about five fewer than the "fierce eight-day siege and street battles that left more than 80 dead" in the Red Mosque. Wonder when Packistan will be accused of a massacre and war crimes...?

119 WeaselZipper  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:23:48pm

good news for cyber-jihad land!

Jihad Unspun Closed Down For Good...

120 Catttt  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:23:52pm

re: #104 mean Gene

Are there any pics to see if the mosque will be salvagable or a total loss?

It's a huge complex rather than just the mosque (which is huge all by itself) - for it to be a total loss you'd pretty much need air support.

Here is a pic of the complex from the air, with notes as on it related to the recent events.

121 cbinflux  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:25:16pm
122 storagemanager  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:26:09pm
Photos: Unsupervised Islamic Digging on Temple Mount

by Ezra HaLevi


(IsraelNN.com) The Islamic Wakf is digging large ditches on the Temple Mount without archaeological supervision to protect antiquities at Judaism’s holiest site.

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

123 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:26:12pm

Lunch: time for a Ham sandwich.

/My dietary intifada continues...

125 Bobblehead  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:27:40pm

Re 110
It works. Watching it reload every 5 seconds.

126 jjmckay1216  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:27:48pm

OT, but a letter to the editor in the Rocky Mountain News, which shows that the paper DOES indeed allow for a differing opinion to be printed. Who'd have thunk it?

JJ

A DIFFERING VIEW
The ‘surge’ is making progress in Iraq

Michael Alcornlives in Arvada.

Disappointingly,the Rocky Mountain News has joined the bulk of the media in its studied imperviousnessto the realities of war. In its July 7 editorial (“Iraq, the reassessment”),the Rocky asks forgiveness “for doubting that two more months of the surge — or 10 more — will prove decisive.” This is an easy conclusion to come to when one is willfully ignorant of facts on the ground.
For instance, in the month since the fifth brigade of the surge joined the fight, civilian casualties in Baghdad and in Iraq in general were both down (according to icasualties.org)over 20 percent from the previous two months.
Likewise, the Rocky has completely ignored the reporting of Michael Yon, who, while embedded with the 1st Cavalry, is now reporting that the people of recently reliberatedBaqubah are “jubilant” at the American presence, and that the people of Diyala province “put their trust in the Americans as arbiters of justice.” This sounds to me like progress — if not “decisive,”certainly substantial.
But, more important, the Rocky fails to note the enemy. The same enemy, Yon reports (with photos) that beheaded four children before leaving their bodies next to their parents’ in an unmarked grave; the same enemy that slaughtered all the livestock in one village; the same enemy that booby-trapedan entire village as the American and Iraqi forces closed in; the same enemy that baked an Iraqi boy, and then served him to his family as lunch.
This is the enemy that we have an obligation — a moral duty — to eradicatefrom the face of the Earth while we have them in our crosshairs,as we do now in Iraq.
Before the Rocky gives credibility to the calculationsof old men more desperate to hold on to their senatorial careers than they are for American victory, it ought to get its facts straight; or, at least, if it won’t do its own reporting, read the reporting of people who are on the ground.

127 DP111  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:27:52pm

Khudayr Taher: Europe and America Should Deport All Muslims - Including Myself

Khudayr Taher, an Iraqi Shi'ite writer living in the U.S. and a regular contributor to the liberal Elaph website, had a quite illiberal suggestion - he asked why Europe and America shouldn't deport their Muslim populations. He wrote:

"Countries have the right to defend themselves and assure their citizens' safety from terrorism. Likewise, it is clear that the source of the terrorist crimes in Europe and America is the Muslims who live in these countries.

"The security services cannot know people's intentions and sort out who is the noble immigrant and who is a terrorist criminal. [But] wherever there are Muslims, their presence has produced crimes of terrorism and murder.

"Among those Muslims in Europe and America who do not practice terrorism, most of them do not have loyalty and sincere attachment to these countries that have offered them all of the means of life in dignity - housing, studies, work, and citizenship…

"The legitimate question is this: Since the security services cannot sort out the good immigrant from the bad terrorist… why don't these countries deport all Muslims, of all races, from Europe and America, and [thus] find rest from the danger of terrorism, and protect their peoples?

"I, as an Arab Muslim immigrant, sincerely call on the countries of Europe and America to deport all Muslims from their territories - including myself, despite my love and my sincere attachment to the U.S

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

Now even a Muslim is calling for the deportation of all Muslims from the West.

I believe his sincerity.

There is another advantage to this. Only a shock of this magnitude, the global setback to the Jihad and its lockup, as well as, having to cope with an expanding population, will make Muslims realise that Islam is not the way. Nothing else will do. By removing Muslims from the West, we will be doing Muslims, as human beings, a favour.

128 Catttt  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:28:04pm

re: #116 Just_A_Grunt

Regarding momma moonbats "walk" here is the schedule for the first part.
July 10 Crawford Tx Houston Tx
July 11 Houston Tx. New Orleans La.
July 12 New Orleans La. Montgomery Al.
July 13 Montgomery Al. Ft. Benning Ga,
July 14 Ft. Benning Ga Atlanta Ga.
July 15 Atlanta Ga. Gainsville Ga.
July 16 Ganisville Ga. Clemson SC

BTW anybody seen them yet? What day is this?
Also they tried to spell Gainesville, GA twice and misspelled it both times. And these guys are my intellectual superiors?

Walk about in the south in July? Well, I hope they bring plenty of water!

129 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:28:26pm

re: #35 Burkha, Flies and a Shiekh

OT - this from "The Day" (New London, CT) July 11, 2007 website:

"Orson Bong, 29, of 16 Laurel Hill Ave., Norwich, was charged Tuesday with possession...of marijuana."

ROFL! Can you say self fulfilling prophecy?

That would be as bad as naming your child, Sayaif Kaboom Mohammed, and not expecting him to grow up to be a suicide bomber.

130 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:28:52pm

Hot Air Headlines: Zawahiri fumes over Red Mosque leader's burqa video

I talk to you today on the occasion of the criminal aggression carried out by Musharraf, his army and his security organs - the Crusaders' hunting dogs - against Lal Masjid in Islamabad, and on the occasion of the dirty, despicable crime committed by Pakistani military intelligence - at the orders of Musharraf - against Maulana Abdul Aziz Ghazi when it showed him on television in women's dress.

This is a message of blinding clarity to the Muslims in Pakistan, the Pakistani Ulema, and indeed, the Ulema in the rest of the Islamic world, and this crime can only be washed away by repentance or blood.

131 Shug  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:29:32pm

re: #116 Just_A_Grunt

Regarding momma moonbats "walk" here is the schedule for the first part.
July 10 Crawford Tx Houston Tx
July 11 Houston Tx. New Orleans La.
July 12 New Orleans La. Montgomery Al.
July 13 Montgomery Al. Ft. Benning Ga,
July 14 Ft. Benning Ga Atlanta Ga.
July 15 Atlanta Ga. Gainsville Ga.
July 16 Ganisville Ga. Clemson SC

BTW anybody seen them yet? What day is this?
Also they tried to spell Gainesville, GA twice and misspelled it both times. And these guys are my intellectual superiors?


Will Mama Moonbat's "walk" be in the same spirit as her Jamba-juice supplemented " hunger strike"...?

Should we be expecting her to spend most of the time in a golf cart or convertable, walking the last 30 yards?

132 storagemanager  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:29:58pm
Iran: Some More Questions

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

133 daledog  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:30:24pm

Orange mosque next? ROYGBIV.

Ever notice that the only ones who regard mosques as holy are western liberal dupes? Pakistani soldiers had no qualms about destroying the building.

134 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:30:35pm

Momma Moonbat says:

On July 29th, we will be re-creating the Summer of Love and hold a 'Gather-in of Hearts' in Central Park with leading activists and musical
entertainment. Proceeds will go to Iraqi Refugees and for medical supplies for Iraqi hospitals.
When we are finished in NYC, a few of us will be Journeying to Amman, Jordan to help refugees in Jordan and Syria. We will visit the camps to assess the depth of the humanitarian crisis that is causing so many children to unnecessarily and tragically suffer.
135 jcm  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:30:50pm

OT

Jay Nordlinger Impromptus Today

A man well plugged in to matters Middle Eastern tells me that Israel is assuming that the United States will not, in fact, do anything about Iran’s nuclear program — and that Israel itself will have to take care of the problem, if it possibly can.

Wouldn’t that be something? America is the sole remaining superpower, and stopping the mullahs is a vital American interest. Israel — alone — had to stop the early-1980s nuclear threat in Iraq. Must the Iranian problem fall on Israel’s slim shoulders now?

It would be unmanful and unseemly, I believe, for the U.S. to deflect this task. This is a job for the Great Satan, not the Little Satan. I do not say — at least not yet — that America must deal with the problem militarily. But that we must deal with it — that it is our destiny and responsibility — seems to me fairly clear.

You?

136 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:31:49pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Well, keep sending out those videos Zawahiri. I hope our intel folks are tracking them back to the source, so we can rain down some infidel fire and brimstone of our own.

137 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:34:24pm

re: #49 Rednek

They should change the name from Red Mosque to Blood Mosque. The name seems more consistent with Islamic piety.

Blood for the Blood God.

Soldiers of Khorne, Lend me your ears!

/Taking wing before I get pelted with rotten fruit.

Can anyone name the mixed references?
hint for one of them: El Seed.

138 storagemanager  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:35:29pm
Bahrain's press outraged by Iranian territorial claims
AFP

July 11, 2007


MANAMA -- Bahrain's press condemned Wednesday claims by a hardline Iranian newspaper that the Shiite-majority Gulf archipelago is an Iranian province which should be returned to the Islamic republic.

"Such claims represent an outrageous interference in the affairs of an independent and sovereign state," said the Al Ayyam daily in response to comments by Hossein Shariatmadari, managing director of Iran's Kayhan newspaper, who is appointed by the supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Shariatmadari had written in Kayhan that "public demand in Bahrain is the reunification of this province with its motherland, the Islamic Iran.

"It goes without saying that such an indisputable right for Iran and the people of this province should not and cannot be overlooked," he said, claiming that Bahrain was separated from Iran "through an illicit conformity between the former Shah and the governments of Britain and the US

[Link: www.metimes.com...]

139 Paco from Sefarad  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:36:07pm

A comparison of the media reaction to the Israeli siege of Islamist terrorists holed up in the Church of the Nativity Bethlehem in 2002 and today's Pakistani siege of Islamists holed up in a mosque in Islamabad.

See [Link: edgar1981.blogspot.com...]

140 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:36:10pm

re: #137 CyanSnowHawk

Arioch! Blood And Souls For Arioch! would perhaps be more appropo.

141 paxnhymn  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:36:14pm

re: #128 Cattt


...and a flak jacket...


:-D

142 POLAR WIND  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:36:58pm

Re: 124

The guy in the video has a family website. It is a good representation of families in the Middle East. This is what the U.S. has to deal with for generations to come.

143 WeaselZipper  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:37:26pm

re: #136 lawhawk

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Well, keep sending out those videos Zawahiri. I hope our intel folks are tracking them back to the source, so we can rain down some infidel fire and brimstone of our own.

That's 3 in a week!

144 LHM  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:38:35pm

This is only the beginning

There are a few more militant clerics like this ready to fight - lets just see if Musharraf has the resolve to finish what he started

Lao
An American Expat in Southeast Asia

145 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:39:10pm

Holy cow. That picture of our Statue of Liberty being hacked in half is fked up!
re: #142 POLAR WIND

146 POLAR WIND  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:39:18pm

re: #142 POLAR WIND

Re: 124

The guy in the video has a family website. It is a good representation of families in the Middle East. This is what the U.S. has to deal with for generations to come.

Correction, I guess he is a Dhimmi. Former Jew, now a Muslim.

Looks like he lives in the U.S.

We also have to deal with families in America like this.

147 Ma Sands  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:39:24pm

re: #143 WeaselZipper

What might be the significance of so many all of a sudden...?

148 reelcobra  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:40:34pm

The huge losers in all of this are the 3,500 or so Paki virgins who will have a long night tonight!

Talk about environmental abuse... with all that de-flowering, Madonna needs to aging her air-guitar act on the road again.

149 POLAR WIND  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:41:53pm

re: #145 NoSubmission

Here is another picture on his website. Child abuse.

Is that a real gun?

150 paxnhymn  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:42:10pm

re: #138 storagemanager

Bahrain's press outraged by Iranian territorial claims
AFP
July 11, 2007


MANAMA -- Bahrain's press condemned Wednesday claims by a hardline Iranian newspaper that the Shiite-majority Gulf archipelago is an Iranian province which should be returned to the Islamic republic.

"Such claims represent an outrageous interference in the affairs of an independent and sovereign state," said the Al Ayyam daily in response to comments by Hossein Shariatmadari, managing director of Iran's Kayhan newspaper, who is appointed by the supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Shariatmadari had written in Kayhan that "public demand in Bahrain is the reunification of this province with its motherland, the Islamic Iran.

"It goes without saying that such an indisputable right for Iran and the people of this province should not and cannot be overlooked," he said, claiming that Bahrain was separated from Iran "through an illicit conformity between the former Shah and the governments of Britain and the US


[Link: www.metimes.com...]

uhhh ohhh...Manam is the only waterin' hole for the Navy in the Gulf! You can bet this has got someone's attention!

151 Stallion  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:44:25pm

re: #43 jcm

re: #9 Infidelsalwayswin


5:1 Kill/Death ratio - nice.

I prefer the ratio like Mogidishu. 100-120 to 1.

Ideally %u221E to 0.

Of course you realize, ratios like 100-120 to 1 are considered defeat to Nancy Pee-myself-losi and the rest of the Surrendercrats.

152 POLAR WIND  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:44:43pm

re: #149 POLAR WIND

The guy's name is "Yousef al Khattab."

Apparently he goes to protests in the U.S. Here are his pictures from U.S. protests.

That protest signs are horrific.

153 thanos  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:46:01pm

I know everyone has their theories on the why of this, and they use this as an opportunity to whack musharraf, or Pakistan, or both, but here's the real motive behind the red mosque:

The political fallout will continue for a while as everyone will seek to politicize this to their gain, however the source of the evil is what I will continue to track here.

Harkatul ul Jihad al Islam aka HJI aka Harkut ul Jihad al Islam aka Jaish-e-Muhammed aka Harjut al Mujahadeen along with TNSM are really part of a council of Jihadi organizations all tied together and allied with Al Qaeda. They are very active in the Kashmir, and if you delve their history you see that they are sometimes the same group going by different names. For instance there’s this article from last October that really was the precursor of this all, from the Frontier Post:

14 jihadi training camps wound up

By Aqeel Yousafzai PESHAWAR: The government has snapped all links with the 17 organisations of the AJK-based Jihad Council, an alliance wedded to the cause of Indian-held Kashmir’s liberation. Fourteen training camps of various jihadi outfits have been wound up and intelligence agencies are trying to widen the gulf between these organizations, a knowledgeable source said on Sunday. In an angry reaction to the U-turn, the Jihad Council comprising Harkatul Mujahideen, Harkatul Jihad-i-Islami and Jaish-i-Muhammad have decided to support activities against the activities. Not these organisations have parted ways with the Establishment, they have also declared any move against the Musharraf-led government will be deemed legitimate, an official told The Frontier Post. Requesting not to be named because of the sensitive nature of his job, the official said the government had withdrawn incentives to 14 training camps, with a history spanning almost 40 years. Apparently, he believed, the decision on closing down the facilities had been taken under mounting pressure on Islamabad from the United States and India to stop cross-border incursions into Indian-occupied Kashmir. Camps run by Hezbul Mujahideen (Khewra), al-Badr (Ugi), Harkatul Mujahideen (Batrasi), Jaish-i-Muhammad (Attar Sheesha), al-Barq (RawlaKot), Lashkar-i-Taiba (Batrali), Tehreekul Mujahideen (Muzaffarabad), Harkatul Jihad-i-Islami (Kotli), Harkarul Jihad Islami (Plandri), Hezb-i-Islami (Gulpur, Kotli) and Hezbul Momineen (Muzaffarabad) have been shut. According to the source, these camps enjoyed government’s patronage up until the first quarter of the current year and various cells were working to strengthen them. A recent survey shows Hezb-i-Islami, a pro-Jamaat-i-Islami organisation, received Rs.15 million a month besides other incentives like daily allowances and operation costs. Special Operation Intelligence Unit (SOIU) and Refugees Management Cell (RMC), responsible for extending financial, logistic, arms and training assistance to the camps, were dealing with the jihadi organisations. RMC recently withdrew vehicles from these outfits and huge funds - meant for daily allowances of the commanders and fighters - were frozen. Protesting the unexpected twist in government’s policy, several jihadi organisations recently staged a sit-in and chanted anti-government slogans in front of the RMC Headquarters near Kana Pul. Until 2002, different retired army officers headed the RMC. After the government abolished the 14 training camps, the source said, freedom fighters shifted their ammunition to safer places.

The reality is that this is the old guard ISI rebelling at Musharraf’s real attempts to make peace with India and really solve the Kashmir dilemma. This is why his itinerary was leaked, this is why the assassination attempts.

154 Buck  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:46:05pm

First they came for the prostitutes...

155 WeaselZipper  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:46:53pm

re: #147 Ma Sands

re: #143 WeaselZipper

What might be the significance of so many all of a sudden...?

Great question, I have been thinking about it.

He has always been a media whore but this is unprecedented. A far out there idea I had was maybe bin Laden really is sick and Zawahiri is getting his name out there as the new face of al-Qaeda.

Probably the media whore thing but one never knows...

156 Joel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:47:19pm

re: #95 madisonsfriend

re: #80 Joel

Funny how the Pakistanis have no hesitancy about attacking Mosques.


Why should they- just Muslim on Muslim murder - nothing to report on. Let's see if we can find a Palestinian who had to wait 20 minutes to go through an Israeli checkpoint- then we have a real case of human tragedy.

And let us not forget their (sob) olive trees!

157 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:48:51pm

Then there's this.
and a blog too!

re: #149 POLAR WIND

158 POLAR WIND  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:49:19pm

re: #152 POLAR WIND

WTF

I can't believe this guy is walking the streets of the USA. He is dangerous.

159 thanos  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:50:45pm

Couple other notes on this -- Harkatul al Mujahadeen is responsible for Daniel Pearl's death, and Muslim rage boy is from this area.

160 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:51:28pm

How about this shot?

sick!
re: #152 POLAR WIND

161 GreenSoccer  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:55:18pm

Considering that they said they would sacrifice the children, it would be nice to see the statistics as to how many children ended up dying.

162 POLAR WIND  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:55:56pm
163 POLAR WIND  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:57:55pm

re: #160 NoSubmission

Weird guys.

164 POLAR WIND  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 12:59:35pm

re: #163 POLAR WIND

No alcohol for you!

165 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 1:08:31pm
and the government warned it would not tolerate militancy in any of Pakistan’s thousands of religious schools.

That's going to be an uphill battle.

I have to give credit to Musharraf - he's walking quite a tightrope.

166 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 1:11:17pm

re: #164 POLAR WIND

re: #163 POLAR WIND

No alcohol for you!

I can't wait to see a picture of those guys in orange jumpsuits.

167 Meremortal  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 1:12:03pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

The Z-man is responding very quickly these days, his communication system has upgraded. I wonder if that also means he is in a "reachable" location.

168 infidel4ever  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 1:14:31pm

re: #133 daledog

Orange mosque next? ROYGBIV.

Ever notice that the only ones who regard mosques as holy are western liberal dupes? Pakistani soldiers had no qualms about destroying the building.

Common sense dictates that if somebody shoots at you from the mosque, you are allowed to shoot back in self-defense.

I wonder what all these mosques in Europe are hiding. Weapons, jihadi's? We are idiots for letting these people build their bastions smack in the middle of strategic/symbolic places.

169 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 1:20:42pm

re: #158 POLAR WIND

His website says he lives in Morocco.

He should stay there.

170 jackflash  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 1:25:14pm

Well, they're eating their own. AQ has ordered a holy war against Pakistan, and Musharef has his hands full: [Link: news.yahoo.com...]
So we should see some serious fighting among the Pakis, even though AQ gets a lot of its support from those folks. This has been a long time coming...

171 Irenike  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 1:46:47pm

As much as there is to criticize about the President, I think we ought to give credit to George Bush for not lumping all Muslims together as terrorists.

I have always been tempted to say "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out," especially when I see how much American blood gets spilled when our soldiers carry out their duties with surgical precision. But the truth is, by making distinctions between Islamo-Fascists and non-Fascist Muslims, we're starting to see a payoff. It's just a trickle, but it is there. The payoff is this: We have given Muslims no opportunity to band together as one monolithic group --- which is what they might very well do if we labeled them all as enemies and fought them all accordingly. The terrorists are sorting themselves out, and are distinguishing themselves as exactly the kind of monsters nobody wants in their own country. Maybe, over time, this will lead to the evolution in Islamic thinking that we are all hoping for.

172 Render  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 1:52:55pm

Haven't read the comments yet...

===

"Special Services Group" eh?

Every single picture I saw from this confrontation featured Paki troops from the Paki 111th Brigade (Mushie's Own), but no SSG.

SSG may very well have been there, but only afterward, to clean up the bodies before the press saw them.

It was 111th that put Mushie in power in the first place and odds are that 111th is the only truly politically reliable, (to Mushie), unit in the Paki army.

[Link: www.stratfor.com...]

[Link: www.stratfor.com...]

LOOKING
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173 Sabraguy  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 1:53:39pm

President Musharaff has redefined the phrase "Paki-bashing".

174 MadJadBad  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 1:59:37pm

re: #116 Just_A_Grunt
re: #113 Shug

According to Sheehan's schedule (and google maps), she will be "walking" an average of 174 miles per day.

July 10 Crawford Tx Houston Tx                  205 miles
July 11 Houston Tx. New Orleans La.          347 miles
July 12 New Orleans La. Montgomery Al.    309 miles
July 13 Montgomery Al. Ft. Benning Ga,      100 miles
July 14 Ft. Benning Ga Atlanta Ga.              116 miles
July 15 Atlanta Ga. Gainsville Ga.                55 miles
July 16 Ganisville Ga. Clemson SC                83 miles

sum: 1215
average per day: 174

175 mean Gene  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 2:01:08pm
A prominent social worker, Abdul Sattar Edhi, said he had been asked to prepare shrouds for 800 more bodies, in addition to the 300 already sent to the compound.

[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

The numbers just keep in inflating.
Oh, and BTW, it was America's fault!

Reports said General Musharraf told his chief negotiator, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussein, of the Pakistan Muslim League, that he was under "heavy duress" from "the allies" to end the siege. The Times of India said "the allies" were the US.

176 jamgarr  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 2:05:33pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

the dirty, despicable crime committed by Pakistani military intelligence - at the orders of Musharraf - against Maulana Abdul Aziz Ghazi when it showed him on television in women's dress.

Black is white, up is down, etc.

177 Ezekiel2517  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 2:06:52pm

One down.

178 jamgarr  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 2:08:04pm

re: #134 NoSubmission


We will visit the camps to assess the depth of the humanitarian crisis that is causing so many children to unnecessarily and tragically suffer.

She means to assess "the thinnest veil of superficiality" - just a slight misstatement

179 Russkilitlover  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 2:13:36pm

re: #57 mahatma coat


"There is a profound moral differnce between the use of force for liberation and the use of force for conquest. You were here to liberate, not to conquer and so you and those others did not doubt your cause. And you were right not to doubt."
- Ronald Reagan, Point du Hoc, France 1984, 40th DDay Anniv.

Words to remember today - maybe add a bit of spine to not only our own politicos (including those who convinced us in the necessissity of this Iraq war) but also to our earstwhile allies in a sinking Europe.

180 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 2:21:21pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

re: #34 blue_like_jazz

here it is : Babe Bhangra Pounde Ne - Gurdas Maan

Those are some funky Sadargi.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

I don't know why, but I find that video to be most amusing and wanted to share it with my kiddos.

They, however, don't think it's as funny as I do. Hmm.

181 DP111  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 3:00:57pm

David Warren on the battle of Red mosque.

For comparison, imagine our Canadian authorities, with tanks and helicopters, fighting a pitched battle against several thousand armed choirboys and theological novices, under the instruction of some militant Dean, encamped at the Notre Dame Cathedral in Ottawa, a few blocks away from our Parliament buildings. Imagine them having taken umbrage against the exceedingly secular disposition of the Harper government, and demanding that the country be placed immediately under Canon Law, restricted to statutes of the 7th and 8th centuries. With rallies by Christian militants to support them, from St John’s to Victoria, after dozens had been killed in related riots in downtown Karachi, I mean Montreal.


[Link: www.davidwarrenonline.com...]

182 Airedale  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 3:38:42pm

They got a mosque for every color of the rainbow that will need watched from now on.

guess those dead jihadi's taught us a lesson real good.

183 grumpy old codger  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:45:02pm

re: #168 infidel4ever
Common sense is not a requisite for the US, either in terms of its command nor its ROEs. The bottom line is that US troops can bleed as long as there's no bad press. Nothing to screw up anybody's promotion chances.

184 sifty  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:21:34pm

awww they fall down go boom.

usually they just go boom.

185 Biff  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 10:16:24pm

On PBS McNeil New Hour tonight, an MSM reporter was fuming that he couldn't get into the compound to count the "innocent civilian" dead.

186 MeanMrMustard  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 3:52:47am

re: #185 Biff

On PBS McNeil New Hour tonight, an MSM reporter was fuming that he couldn't get into the compound to count the "innocent civilian" dead.

They'll just have to make something up, just like they usully do.

Good job, soldiers.

187 gpepper  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 8:52:45am

There are no "innocent civilian" in the Red Mosque.


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