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Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 4:31:46 pm PDT

Libya has upheld the death sentences for those foreign medics accused of deliberately infecting children with AIDS.

TRIPOLI (Reuters) - Libya’s Supreme Court upheld death sentences on Wednesday against six foreign medics for infecting Libyan children with HIV, but officials said they could win a reprieve next week.

Foreign Minister Mohammed Abdel-Rahman Shalgam said the government-controlled High Judicial Council, which has the power to commute the sentence or even pardon the five Bulgarian nurses and Palestinian doctor, will consider the case on Monday.

European Union and Bulgarian leaders expressed regret at the court ruling, the latest twist in a highly politicized trial, but said they remained confident. There have been lengthy efforts to secure a deal with families of the children.

“The court rejects the appeals of the defendants and confirms the death penalty,” judge Fathi Dhan told a five-minute hearing. The six medics were not in court to hear his ruling.

They’re almost certainly not going to be executed. This is an elaborate honor/shame charade, trying to shake money out of some gullible EU country; if not Bulgaria, any of the others might pony up.

Libyan officials say the High Judicial Council would only agree to the release of the nurses if a settlement were reached in private talks between the families and the EU on funding for the children’s medical care.

Behind the scenes talks have been taking place between the EU and the association of the families of the children on just such a possible deal — to provide a fund of tens of millions of dollars for the families to pay for the children’s future care.

Libya calls the cash “compensation” — a term Bulgaria rejects as it says it implies the medics are guilty.

The Libyan families have asked for 10 million euros ($13.3 million) for each child, far in excess of what observers say the EU has been prepared to pay. The Gaddafi Foundation charity, run by a son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, Saif al-Islam, has been a central player in facilitating the talks.

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1 Sponge  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:32:52pm

Well, iran has cured aids, so they have nothing to worry about.

2 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:33:05pm
3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:34:39pm
4 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:35:15pm
5 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:35:35pm
6 Areopagitica  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:36:40pm

And one of the doctors is a Paleostinian...I wonder how this will be spinned by the arab street so that it is portrayed that the AIDS infections were caused by jooos.

7 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:36:52pm
8 Areopagitica  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:37:02pm

I meant "spun"...its been a long wednesday

9 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:37:34pm
10 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:38:25pm
11 paxnhymn  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:38:26pm

$$$ shakedown a la Jackson, Sharpton et al? See? Some things we export are not good for other countries. Those two being a good example..

12 phrobin  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:38:32pm

The Barbary pirates are back. Where is Thomas Jefferson. We need to build a Navy. Not one penny for Tribute, millions for defense.

13 Sponge  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:38:37pm
The Libyan families have asked for 10 million euros ($13.3 million) for each child, far in excess of what observers say the EU has been prepared to pay. The Gaddafi Foundation charity, run by a son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, Saif al-Islam, has been a central player in facilitating the talks extortion.


Fixed...

14 Joan Not of Arc  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:38:47pm

It sounds like a shakedown to me. If they do this to these six people, they will do it to someone else. And the whole idea of paying people for the murder or injury of someone else should be considered morally repugnant.

15 bulwrk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:39:30pm

re: #6 Areopagitica

And one of the doctors is a Paleostinian...I wonder how this will be spinned by the arab street so that it is portrayed that the AIDS infections were caused by jooos.

Jewish medical school.

16 Devil's Advocate  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:39:32pm

Maybe the EU will be just as angry about the head of the FDA of China? I won't hold my breath.

17 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:40:13pm

re: #10 song_and_dance_man

female genital mutilation

18 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:40:46pm

re: #3 song_and_dance_man

This has nothing to do with Islam. This is Qadaffyduck.

19 yah  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:40:54pm

I call it kidnapping.

20 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:41:08pm

Haymarket London Car Bomb

This is what would have happened had the bomb, planted in London's Haymarket in the early hours of Friday 29th June 2007, had actually detonated. Two explosions are seen, firstly the petrol ignites and then three seconds later, the gas canisters explode with devistating effect.

Here's the associated article: CARNAGE FOR JUST £103

We made a replica of the Mercedes bomb left to blow up a London nightclub ten days ago - and it cost us just £103.38, the price of an average family's weekly grocery bill.
...
The lethal cocktail was the same as the one used by terrorists when they parked their Merc 10ft from the door of the Haymarket's Tiger Tiger club where 1,700 revellers were partying. Our bomb erupted in an 80ft fireball - which would have engulfed the club in a 2,000 deg C (3,632 deg F) wall of flame.

That's about a third of the temperature on the surface of the SUN.

A 13kg gas cylinder rocketed 100ft into the air and smashed into earth 180ft away with the force of a truck.

And deadly shards of glass and metal from the Merc scythed through the air, littering the ground for 200ft around.


You guys are good at debunking this stuff. Is this another tabloid hoax?

21 new2thezoo  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:41:27pm

Here's a documentary... a bit long... worth it. INJECTION.

22 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:41:54pm

re: #16 Devil's Advocate

China executed the guy actually.

23 Maximu§  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:43:41pm

This is typical Muslim behavior...extortion, lies, threats and (fill in blank).

If the EU had any Balls, they would send in a crack unit to rescue these poor folk. I wonder if the Muslim world and the MSM knows just how close to the breaking point we really are.

Maximu§
3/11

24 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:44:18pm

Oh for the days of Jefferson when we knew how to deal with Barbary pirates.

25 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:44:26pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout


2000 degrees C ? Seems a bit much for burning gasoline and propane, no ?

26 legalpad  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:45:20pm

Like I said before. Everybody stay the hell out of Muslim countries and don't deal with them. Of course I know this will never happen. But like many countries with unstable governments, their economy does suffer from the many who might have done business with them, but choose not to for this type of reason.

27 Sponge  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:45:30pm
We made a replica of the Mercedes bomb left to blow up a London nightclub ten days ago - and it cost us just %uFFFD103.38, the price of an average family's weekly grocery bill.
...
The lethal cocktail was the same as the one used by terrorists when they parked their Merc 10ft from the door of the Haymarket's Tiger Tiger club where 1,700 revellers were partying. Our bomb erupted in an 80ft fireball - which would have engulfed the club in a 2,000 deg C (3,632 deg F) wall of flame.

That's about a third of the temperature on the surface of the SUN.

A 13kg gas cylinder rocketed 100ft into the air and smashed into earth 180ft away with the force of a truck.

And deadly shards of glass and metal from the Merc scythed through the air, littering the ground for 200ft around.


HEY! ! ! ! Did they even CONSIDER the CARBON FOOTPRINT of this experiment?!? And SO CLOSE to the al-gore concert series...

28 Shaky Louie  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:48:00pm

re: #14 Joan Not of Arc

...the whole idea of paying people for the murder or injury of someone else should be considered morally repugnant.

Never been to Joisey, I take it.

Stop that, Shaky!

29 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:48:03pm

re: #25 Mike C.

"That's about a third of the temperature on the surface of the SUN."


Seem a tad on the high side to me.

30 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:49:41pm
31 ec marm  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:49:42pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

That is almost exactly correct. 1977 degrees C.

32 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:51:41pm
33 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:53:06pm

Ahh yes - bloodmoney

I think I will now demand bloodmoney from husbands who make their wives wear burkhas here in the San Diego area as payment for offending my value system.

34 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:54:31pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

I stand corrected. 2000 C is actually about the right adiabatic flame temperature.

35 65DropTop  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:54:36pm

From the rather thin information in the article regarding what the health care workers actually did that linked them to the infections of about 400 infants with HIV, I sense this was a circumstance for the Colonel's son to shake down some money. But will Doctors without Borders or any other charitable organization ever again want to help in Libya?

The article fails to mention the weapons system the Colonel abandoned in 2003 was a nuclear one. Why was the one word not used?

Afraid to actually report? You decide.

36 denmeister  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:54:49pm

I miss Reagan.

37 MacGregor  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:55:00pm

re: #32 song_and_dance_man

It's the moops!

38 new2thezoo  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:55:22pm

re: #33 karmic_inquisitor

Been to the WalMart on Balboa lately? Burqad employees with full black veil.

39 galloping granny  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:55:59pm

re: #13 Sponge

The Libyan families have asked for 10 million euros ($13.3 million) for each child, far in excess of what observers say the EU has been prepared to pay. The Gaddafi Foundation charity, run by a son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, Saif al-Islam, has been a central player in facilitating the talks extortion.


Fixed...

And how, might I ask, does that amount of $$$ compare to what Gaddafi paid to the victims of Lockerbie? Or stack up against the set in stone muslim $ figure to pay off a death?

40 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:56:16pm

re: #22 lawhawk

They're not crazy about "Uighirs", pronounced "wiggers" (Ethnic Chinese Muslims), either.

-S-

41 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:56:16pm

re: #32 song_and_dance_man


The crimminal here is Qadaffyduck - a raving lunatic.

42 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:57:11pm

re: #34 Mike C.

EC Marm mentioned that earlier. My Googling skills failed me, thanks for confirming.
From what I can tell their bomb mock up seems pretty accurate.

43 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:58:17pm
44 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:58:35pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout


Yup. EC Marm beat me to it, no question. I did the Wiki on "combustion."

45 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:59:12pm

re: #33 karmic_inquisitor

Ahh yes - bloodmoney

I think I will now demand bloodmoney from husbands who make their wives wear burkhas here in the San Diego area as payment for offending my value system.

Preface - My Candidate is MITT ROMNEY.

Blood Money in Arabic/Islamic terms is easy to figure. About $3300.00 per victim. The amount that RUDY told the Saudi Prince to put where the Sun Doesn't Shine.

-S-

46 galloping granny  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 4:59:18pm

re: #39 galloping granny

re: #13 Sponge

The Libyan families have asked for 10 million euros ($13.3 million) for each child, far in excess of what observers say the EU has been prepared to pay. The Gaddafi Foundation charity, run by a son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, Saif al-Islam, has been a central player in facilitating the talks extortion.


Fixed...

And how, might I ask, does that amount of $$$ compare to what Gaddafi paid to the victims of Lockerbie? Or stack up against the set in stone muslim $ figure to pay off a death?

BTW, that payoff to wipe out "murder" - blood money they call it - I came across the exact figure out of Denmark I think it was a year or so ago. Converted the kroner to US$, then multiplied by 3000 (approximate # of people in WTC 911). It came out to almost exactly what the Saudi Prince offered Rudi. You remember that check, right?

47 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:01:32pm

#6 Areopagitica

Actually the Palestinian doctor in the firing line in this case is in fact a Christian!

Hence the trumped up charges and the elaborate attempt at extortion from the highest levels of government in Libya.

I say pay the blood money and get the 6 out of this Islamist sand heap as soon as possible...
...then ...

conficate the same value in Lybian government assets in Europe.

Two can play this silly game! hehehe :)

48 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:02:29pm

re: #46 galloping granny

"GG" -

The "set in stone" amount is $3,300.00 as per my comment above.
The amount being asked is more like the # of "Palestinians" released for every Israeli.

-S-

49 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:03:56pm
50 new2thezoo  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:04:00pm

re: #43 ploome hineni

re: #38 new2thezoo

where is this?

I've been talking about this for 6 months...
WalMart is on Balboa Ave. in the Kearny Mesa near the Mosque on the corner of Balboa and Ashford.
There is a woman who is covered head to toe and wears a black veil while working. It really is a funny sight because the blue WalMart shirt is worn over the long outfit.

51 paxnhymn  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:05:00pm

re: #39 galloping granny

re: #13 Sponge


The Libyan families have asked for 10 million euros ($13.3 million) for each child, far in excess of what observers say the EU has been prepared to pay. The Gaddafi Foundation charity, run by a son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, Saif al-Islam, has been a central player in facilitating the talks extortion.

Fixed...

And how, might I ask, does that amount of $$$ compare to what Gaddafi paid to the victims of Lockerbie? Or stack up against the set in stone muslim $ figure to pay off a death?

uhh..granny...hello...the Libyan government were caught red handed in Lockerby...We don't even know if these guys are guilty in their kangaroo court...

52 Piglet-U93  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:05:14pm
#18 Mike C. 7/11/2007 4:40:46 pm PDT reply quote

re: #3 song_and_dance_man

This has nothing to do with Islam. This is Qadaffyduck.

Eveything to do with Islam - more money to feed the MoWarMachine

53 Shaky Louie  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:05:23pm

re: #30 FrogMarch
I heard about that from Lars Larson (a local talkshow host for those who don't know), but this is the first time I've actually seen it. To say it is pathetic would be giving it more credence than is due.
But , hey this is Amerika, and as long as you are for Christian bashing, gun control,or (pick your poison) and call it "art", well...

Boys, don't dial 911 for emergency, call your local head shop.

/"I hate hippies" (Cartman)

54 galloping granny  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:06:17pm

re: #48 Dr. Shalit

re: #46 galloping granny

"GG" -

The "set in stone" amount is $3,300.00 as per my comment above.
The amount being asked is more like the # of "Palestinians" released for every Israeli.

-S-

Yes. Though as I recall a woman is only worth 1/2 or 1/4 the blood money of a man. I didn't bother to figure that out with the $10 million.

Good thing our insurance companies don't have to settle wrongful death suits at anything near the rate they are asking.

55 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:07:16pm

re: #50 new2thezoo

3 BIG CHEERS FOR WAL-MART! There is "HOPE" yet, even if it is Hope, AR.

-S-

56 paxnhymn  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:08:21pm

re: #53 Shaky Louie

re: #30 FrogMarch
I heard about that from Lars Larson (a local talkshow host for those who don't know), but this is the first time I've actually seen it. To say it is pathetic would be giving it more credence than is due.
But , hey this is Amerika, and as long as you are for Christian bashing, gun control,or (pick your poison) and call it "art", well...

Boys, don't dial 911 for emergency, call your local head shop.

/"I hate hippies" (Cartman)

hey! y'all notice Skank Sheehan on that page? I figured out who it really is...Dana Garvey in drag!

57 galloping granny  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:08:25pm

re: #51 paxnhymn

re: #39 galloping granny

And how, might I ask, does that amount of $$$ compare to what Gaddafi paid to the victims of Lockerbie? Or stack up against the set in stone muslim $ figure to pay off a death?

uhh..granny...hello...the Libyan government were caught red handed in Lockerby...We don't even know if these guys are guilty in their kangaroo court...

You missed the point paxnhymn. I was being sarcastic. As in "where do they find the cojones for that one?!" The amount of money that the families of these kids are asking is substantially more than Gaddafi is paying to the Lockerbie families.

58 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:09:00pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout


We made a replica of the Mercedes bomb left to blow up a London nightclub ten days ago - and it cost us just £103.38, the price of an average family's weekly grocery bill.
...
The lethal cocktail was the same as the one used by terrorists when they parked their Merc 10ft from the door of the Haymarket's Tiger Tiger club where 1,700 revellers were partying. Our bomb erupted in an 80ft fireball - which would have engulfed the club in a 2,000 deg C (3,632 deg F) wall of flame.

That's about a third of the temperature on the surface of the SUN.

A 13kg gas cylinder rocketed 100ft into the air and smashed into earth 180ft away with the force of a truck.

And deadly shards of glass and metal from the Merc scythed through the air, littering the ground for 200ft around.


You guys are good at debunking this stuff. Is this another tabloid hoax?

Damn. Hyperbole much? This had the potential to be very ugly, but do you think that they could maybe tone down the doomsday rhetoric a little. These breathless, practically hysterical, reports are the sort of thing that had me dismissing this attack initially as "Three Stooges" terrorism. More information became available and I came to realize the seriousness later.

It sounds like they managed to create and detonate a similar device. Be nice to have a video of it, or at least some pictures. Now that I have had a look at the home page of the paper, I think you called it right. Tabloid Hoax.

And just how many Newtons are there in a truck? There were a lot of Newtons in a truck in the Mythbusters episode where Jamie and Adam blew up that Cement Mixer.

59 Jimmah  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:10:06pm

Looks like simple extortion from the wannabe Emperor of Africa.

60 aunursa  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:10:18pm

If they were American/British doctors and Ronald Reagan/Margaret Thather were president/prime minister, they would have been sent home weeks ago.

61 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:11:04pm

Hey Everyone in NY Area, and Radio Streamers -

Barry Farber, the Godfather of Talk Radio is subbing on WABC 770 AM as I speak type.

-S-

62 paxnhymn  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:11:09pm

re: #57 galloping granny

oops! Sorry. Never mind. Next time warn me with a sarc tag, will ya? Alabama is not known for its studious constituency!

63 markie  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:11:36pm

Bulgaria has money?

64 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:12:58pm

re: #63 markie

More than you think "kemosabe" - beyond their own think EU.

-S-

65 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:13:01pm

re: #61 Dr. Shalit

Hey Everyone in NY Area, and Radio Streamers -

Barry Farber, the Godfather of Talk Radio is subbing on WABC 770 AM as I speak type.

-S-

i;m listening.

66 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:13:17pm

re: #38 new2thezoo

re: #33 karmic_inquisitor

Been to the WalMart on Balboa lately? Burqad employees with full black veil.

What WalMart on Balboa? Do you mean the one in Murphy Canyon across from Frye's?

67 Shaky Louie  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:14:16pm

re: #56 paxnhymn

Thanks! Now I have to clean the beer off of my brand new flat screen!
Dana Garvey!
(That's funny right there, I don't care who you are!)

68 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:15:34pm
69 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:16:42pm

re: #68 buzzsawmonkey

SO FAR, NOT MUCH!

-S-

70 Mike C.  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:18:47pm

re: #52 Piglet-U93

Your wrong. This isn't about Islam or Jihad - this is about Qadaffi. As has been the case ever since he popped up on the radar. The man is a nutburger, and this shouldn't be news to anybody old enough to vote.

71 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:18:55pm

dr. shalit, did you listen to mark levin earlier. he gave out murtha's # 202-225-2065, i called and asked him to resign and issue an apology for calling the troops murderers.

72 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:19:40pm

re: #66 CyanSnowHawk

re: #38 new2thezoo

re: #33 karmic_inquisitor

Been to the WalMart on Balboa lately? Burqad employees with full black veil.

What WalMart on Balboa? Do you mean the one in Murphy Canyon across from Frye's?

Found the answer in another reply. I forgot about the Walmart over there. It is hidden behind that strip mall and Boomers when you are on Balboa.

73 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:22:28pm
74 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:26:16pm

re: #71 nyc redneck

dr. shalit, did you listen to mark levin earlier. he gave out murtha's # 202-225-2065, i called and asked him to resign and issue an apology for calling the troops murderers.

I HEARD YOU, My "nic" is the same I have used with Dr. Levin since 2003.

-S-

75 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:29:23pm

re: #74 Dr. Shalit

re: #71 nyc redneck

dr. shalit, did you listen to mark levin earlier. he gave out murtha's # 202-225-2065, i called and asked him to resign and issue an apology for calling the troops murderers.
I HEARD YOU, My "nic" is the same I have used with Dr. Levin since 2003.

-S-

that would be dr. prof. levin. i've gotten thru to him several times but for some reason he always asks me my measurements.

76 grumpy old codger  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:42:27pm

re: #58 CyanSnowHawk
Those truck (or lorry) cabs aren't that big. Probably just room for two Newtons, Isaac and his cousin Fig.

77 funky chicken  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:53:00pm

So, I wonder if this case has gotten Western doctors and nurses thinking twice about taking the million bucks a year to work in Fraudi Arabia?

I had a friend who seriously considered going to Fraudi to work for a year to pay off all his student loans...that was years ago before any of us knew much about the place except for the scorching heat, oil, and sand.

78 funky chicken  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 5:55:25pm

re: #63 markie
No, Bulgaria doesn't have money, it's a very poor country. That's probably why these nurses took the jobs in Libya.

79 pat  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:02:47pm

Reagan would be locking a cruise missile on the tent by now.

80 scott in east bay  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:17:40pm

This is easy.

No contact between Libya and the EU. No flights. No telex. No wire transfers.

No air travel between Libya and the EU or the US. No mail. No phone calls. No nothing. Keep it up until Libya relents or goes broke. They need us a lot more than we need them.

Oh! How gross of me! These actions would violate EU "human rights" rules.

Oh well, I guess we'll just have to pick up the bodies after they hang them.

81 Jimash  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:20:56pm

I am guessing here, but Libya's reformation seems to have backslid badly.
Why all the pussyfooting and offers of ransom ?
EFF them already. If they hang nurses, we bomb hospitals.

82 Attaboid  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 6:35:47pm

Don't pay the Danegeld!

83 wanumba  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:13:51pm

Nothing new under the sun:
Barbary Ransoms - 1786
Order of Mathurians, the Fathers of Redemption, traditionally brokered ransom payments: sample: $500 per person for a load of 300 Frenchmen , but Americans were hit with a demand of $3,000 per man.
Barbary Ransoms demands:
Ship captains: $6,000 each
mates: $4,000
seamen: $3,000
Irate Americans call: "Millions for defense, not a penny for tribute!"
Frigates ordered built for the United States to deal with the Barbary Piracy Threat to US shipping and citizens:
United States (44 guns)
President (44 guns)
Constitution (44 guns)
Constellation (36 guns)
Chesapeake (36 guns)
Congress (36 guns)
Consul William Eaton: "... But this, 'tis said, was the price of peace! Are we then reduced to the humility of bartering our national glory for the forbearance of a Barbary pirate! ... But the scene has been acted - The impression is made on the world - and it will require a series of brilliant actions to blot it out."
All quotes from : To the Shores of Tripoli by A.B.C. Whipple

84 TGregg  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:20:03pm

Europe is trying to wear out the terrorists by giving into them all the time. Just like some Republicans are trying to wear out the democrats by giving into them all the time. This strategy has had the same oustanding success that communism has had, and just like communism people will get in line to try it again.

I bet I could sell hammers to beat against these dolts heads to cure headaches. When somebody complains, I just tell them they didn't do it right, they broke the hammer, they need to buy a new one from me and hit their head much, much harder. I figure these chumps are good for four hammers each.

85 TGregg  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:26:05pm

#81 Jimash

I am guessing here, but Libya's reformation seems to have backslid badly.
Why all the pussyfooting and offers of ransom ?
EFF them already. If they hang nurses, we bomb hospitals.
86 TGregg  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 7:26:39pm

Because the democarts have hamstrung the countries ability to respond.

87 mrclark  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 9:59:06pm

What?

You'd think that the Muslim Extremists judging them would be extatic that they have some doctors willing to kill people.

Isn't that the next "Islamic Big Thing"...Islamist Killing Doctors?

Or is Glasgow the only place they let them practice the opposite of the hypocratic oath.

88 Digger Dan  Wed, Jul 11, 2007 11:50:46pm

This is truly the latest replay of the First Barbary War

89 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:54:46am

They have raped the women in this group, in order to obtain the "confessions." It is a horrible, horrible ordeal for them. It has been years now. I cannot even imagine.

I would like to know what this medical team was doing in Libya in the first place. I assumed they were there for humanitarian purposes. Were they paid by the Libyan government? Either way, I hope that people will learn a lesson from this -- leave the ***ers alone and stay out of their countries and don't marry them or breed with them.

90 opnion  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 5:27:51am

This is nothing but extortion.The charges are absurd.
Libya trying to recoup money that they paid out to get off the hook for Lockerbie

91 Spionator  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 7:59:55am

Colonel Crossdress has come a long way with his fantasy ideology that AIDS was a Western bioweapon against Africa.

He´s got a point, short of Haile Selassie´s ambition to restore the original trust in the sacred plants, AIDS conspiracism is the grand story that has the potential unite the black continent, and be it only through a common feindbild.*

This mock trial is all about ideology. Ghaddafi´s goal is to tickle the West into pleading guilty. If he executes these nurses he is crashing his ideological campaign into a wall. He may have won the battle but then but lost his ideological war. If he receives "compensation" then he will have created a precedent and be able to move on with his AIDS conspiracism narrative.

The Ghaddafi clan counts on the EU to lose nerves first. I hope it doesn´t.

92 cry of defiance and not of fear  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:17:30am

14 Joan Not of Arc: This isn't solely about ransom money. It's actually also to do with Sharia law, with the concept that human lives have different monetary values depending on whether the humans in question are (or were) Moslems or non-Moslems. In islamic law, Moslem males' lives compute at higher values in money terms (the 'blood money') than do those of Moslem women and so on down the order to the pagans. This is one of the aspects of sharia that Westerners don't know and do not realise will be the norm where and if sharia takes hold, from 'Moslem encloaves' already operating so in Europe and Britain to the US. Sharia, I keep telling everyone, is intended to extend to ALL peoples under the islamic yoke.

It was reported in the Daily Telegraph (London) on November 29, 2006, that a sharia court determined that a gang of Somali 'youths' who murdered another 'youth' were not charged with suspected murder but, instead, their families, via a sharia court, got together and agreed on a sum of 'blood money' to be paid to the victim's family. The police (the dhimmi British) were told that the matter would be settled 'out of court' with no charges made and the police, in the best PC tradition, agreed.

Coming soon to a place near us all?

#68 buzzsawmonkey: 2008 is the year designated by the EU (Eurabian Union or Eunuchs United, whichever you fancy) as the one for a major exchange of medical personnel and medical 'knowledge' between the EU's member states and the Arab states. The Norwegian Minister who stated some while ago that Europeans should be nice to Moslems now because "in our old ages they will be kind to us" was quite an optimist.

93 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:41:57am
Charles wrote: They’re almost certainly not going to be executed. This [Libyan death sentence] is an elaborate honor/shame charade, trying to shake money out of some gullible EU country; if not Bulgaria, any of the others might pony up.

I'm sorry, but Kaddafi and his thugs will have no compunction against executing a few more dirty kuffar to demonstrate they're still serious extortionists-- even if that means holding them hostage until they rot in their cells.

These are the same rough beasts who slaughtered 270 innocents at Lockerbie for Christmas 1988. They're the same [bigoted word]s who armed, based, trained, financed and (yes) directed decades of bloody IRA bombing campaigns against Britain. They're the same barbarian tribes who've practiced piracy and extortion for centuries against Western Europe.

The jackal can't change his cackle.

But let's all pretend otherwise;

Bush to send ambassador to Libya, first in years

In a sign of improving U.S. ties with Libya, President George W. Bush on Wednesday announced he was sending the first U.S. ambassador to Tripoli in nearly 35 years.

/spit

94 B_Dix  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:47:28pm

Maybe it's time for Western liberal peace-loving NGO's to start warning their personnel: DON'T go to Muslim countries (no matter how great you feel the need is, no matter how much you think Jesus really wants you to go). The NGO's can't guarantee the safety of their people, and the various Islamic governments can't / won't / don't.

It's too bad, but I don't see anyplace Islamic being safe for anybody, for a long, long time.

95 NCusTranshumanist  Sat, Jul 14, 2007 9:06:10pm

The lesson we take away from this is that the very places that can use the West's help are the places Westerners should not go.

How many more have to suffer from islamic mania?


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