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PFLP Leader: 'Arafat Died of AIDS'

Thu, Jul 12, 2007 at 10:31:21 am PDT

Here’s Ahmad Jibril, Secretary-General of the PFLP General Command, on Hizballah’s Al-Manar TV, publicly admitting the truth about Yasser Arafat’s death for the first time. (Courtesy of MEMRI TV.)

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Ahmad Jibril: When Abu Mazen came to Damascus with his team, I asked them: “What happened to the investigation into the death of Abu Ammar [Arafat]? The Israelis killed him. He was my colleague ever since 1965 and used to sleep at my home. He and I followed the same path.” Is it conceivable that when Rafiq Al-Hariri was killed, all hell broke loose, even though he was just a merchant in Saudi Arabia, who later entered politics, whereas the death of Yasser Arafat, who for 40 years had been carrying his gun from one place to another, is not investigate? Is this conceivable?

They were silent, and then one of them said to me: “To be honest, the French gave us the medical report, that stated that the cause of Abu Ammar’s death was AIDS.” I am not saying this, they did. Now they pretend that they miss Yasser Arafat, and complain that [Hamas] entered his house in [Gaza] and so on... I say to every honorable member of the Fatah movement that he should be happy that we got rid of the plague, which had been imposed upon them and upon the Palestinian people. The Fatah movement now has an opportunity to renew itself.

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1 Shug  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:32:20am

So that's how all those young boys got infected

that dirty old pervert

2 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:32:36am

No surprise there.

3 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:33:00am

Maybe HE's the one that infected all those Libyan kids.

4 Killer Tomato  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:33:16am

I'm shocked, shocked.....

5 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:33:31am

I thought so.

6 Shug  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:33:39am

re: #3 zombie


great minds think alike

(if I may be so bold)

7 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:34:04am

I wonder if he gave to Abbas?

8 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:34:05am

and does this surprise anyone

his marriage was a sham
and he buggered little boys for years

i wonder what Allah says about this

9 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:34:35am

The PFLP don't get get much mention these days in the US, or even in the blogosphere, but believe it or not THEY are the ones backed for the leadership of an "independent Palestine" by about 90% of US academia.

Why?

Because they're Marxists.

10 MikieBahamas  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:34:42am

Payback is a bitch!

God works in mysterious ways.

11 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:34:57am

Now the liberals will love him even more...

12 Yashmak  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:35:35am

It'll be interesting to see how the Islamic street reacts to this news. Will they continue to carry his poster? Will they say the Israelis magically infected him with AIDS?

I can't wait.

13 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:35:37am

I thought AIDS started with monkey's and not goats?

14 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:35:47am

We all called that years ago.

I guess there was a shortage of mellons.

15 Shug  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:35:50am
who for 40 years had been carrying his gun from one place to another

and holstering his gun in all sorts of unsavory places, no doubt

16 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:36:09am

re: #10 MikieBahamas

Payback is a bitch!

God works in mysterious ways.

nothing even remotely like payback or even divine intervention

if you place your thing where it doesnt belong, you will get burned

it is that simple

i wonder what Suha, the cow has to say about this

17 Abu Al-Poopypants  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:36:15am

Wow.

I'm truly shocked.

I never knew that goats transmitted HIV.

18 commander_vimes  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:36:31am

Ah, so really he won the "No Belle Piece Prize"

19 Abu Al-Poopypants  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:37:18am

Oh no...Sand People: I guess great minds think alike ;-)

20 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:37:36am

re: #12 Yashmak

It'll be interesting to see how the Islamic street reacts to this news. Will they continue to carry his poster? Will they say the Israelis magically infected him with AIDS?

I can't wait.


Yes...they will say Israel gave him infected blood.

21 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:38:42am

Well, if you thought he was a hero of the Left before.....

22 stranded conservative  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:38:51am

Hah! My husband wouldn't believe me when I said that AIDS was a distinct possibility. He won't believe anything on LGF unless he also hears it on the MSM. I am slowly educating him by telling him what's happening and reminding him when he hears it a couple days later on FOX. There has been much improvement since our marriage. The mental illness of liberalism seems to be slowly healing.

23 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:39:00am
“To be honest, the French gave us the medical report, that stated that the cause of Abu Ammar’s death was AIDS.”

I remember when Arafat died, the incredible weaseliness of the French doctors, who absolutely refused to release the medical reports. It was cause for much derision here at LGF. We all knew what the cause of death was in the medical report.

The repulsive Frenchies didn't want to damage the reputation of their hero Arafat.

24 Far Sparkle  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:39:37am

After the fall of the Soviet Union, when Bulgaria and Romania gained their freedom, a General, the former head of the Secret Service, wrote a book revealing that on vistis to his country, Afafat was provided with BOYS, and then PHOTOGRAPHED threw secret windows in the walls of the bedroom the Commies provided .
Somewhere those movies still exist......and then what?

25 sceneone  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:39:59am

Where do we sign up to stone the corpse? praise Allah.

26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:40:00am

ZIONIST AGENT!

27 Tumulus11  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:40:10am

. Suha is unconcerned.
She knew what was in the Red Binder all along.

28 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:40:22am

re: #13 Oh no...Sand People!

I thought AIDS started with monkey's and not goats?

So the Mossad gave Arafish a green monkey?

/mixing my conspiracy theories

29 meMarc  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:41:31am

Arafat just better hope there ain't no Allah because he's in deep shit if there is. No coffee breaks where he's going.

30 ibrodsky  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:41:38am

re: #11 Poitiers-Lepanto

Now the liberals will love him even more...

Necrophilia?

31 the Daily Kos Om Islaam  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:41:53am

So on top of a murderous, rebellious, ugly d*ck head, he was a homosexual too?

Wow, he really was unique.


I hope this news gets plastered all over Ram(kos om) allah.

32 Shug  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:42:06am

re: #29 meMarc

Arafat just better hope there ain't no Allah because he's in deep shit if there is. No coffee breaks where he's going.


Oh I think allah is exactly where he went

33 Bob's Kid  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:42:17am

re: #2 zombie

No surprise there.

Nope. How many here have been saying that for years?

34 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:42:19am

Ah, the good old PFLP, which for those who haven't been following along with the alphabet soup of terrorist organizations, has always been part of the PLO. Fatah is the largest faction, but the PFLP was the second banana. Jibril formed a splinter group from the PFLP, the PFLP General Command (himself being the commander - how quaint).

Jibril's animosity towards Arafat is longstanding and goes back decades, so take this with a grain of salt.

All that said, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if what Jibril said was true and Arafat died of AIDS, which was long suspected.

35 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:42:40am

Can we raise the Andrew Sullivan Feelings Threat Warning to "Heartache" level?

36 Buck  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:42:40am

Calm down lizards...

This guy is stating what he heard someone else say. He did not see the report.

AND you know that tommorow he will be able to say that he was mis translated...

IMO This isn't the break we are looking for. We need a former lover, with graphic pictures to move the Arab Street.

Also it is not all great that Arafat was homosexual. This could very easily lead to a lot of gay bashing, both in the streets of Gaza, and in these forums...

37 ibrodsky  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:42:52am

The Red Binder = names and addresses of male liaisons, both human and goat.

38 Cognito  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:42:59am

Pretty interesting, but I'll look forward to something more conclusive, one of these days. This is a third- or fourth-hand account, which ain't exactly rock solid.

39 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:43:15am

re: #8 amrilusaguy

and does this surprise anyone

his marriage was a sham
and he buggered little boys for years

i wonder what Allah says about this

Allah is buggering him right now.

40 meMarc  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:43:27am

Hey, maybe Allah is gay and will welcome him with open arms.

41 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:43:44am

It was George Bush's fault. He did it.

42 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:43:55am

re: #40 meMarc

Hey, maybe Allah is gay and will welcome him with open arms.

GMTA, man, GMTA.

43 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:44:04am

re: #29 meMarc

Arafat just better hope there ain't no Allah because he's in deep shit if there is. No coffee breaks where he's going.

Oh, there's an Allah alright, though he goes buy another name at home, and Arafat is real tight with him down there now.

44 LDA  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:44:14am

Oriana Fallaci thought there was something odd about Arafat during her interview years and years ago. I forget how she put it, and I don't have my copy of Interview with History near me in order to quote exactly, but it was essentially that she thought that he had some definite gay tendencies and that his personal guards were, well, at little too good looking and kinda swishy.

45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:44:27am

And for those who forgot

"I just called the microphone monitoring center to ask about the 'Fedayee,'" Arafat's code name, explained Munteaunu. "After the meeting with the Comrade, he went directly to the guest house and had dinner. At this very moment, the 'Fedayee' is in his bedroom making love to his bodyguard. The one I knew was his latest lover. He's playing tiger again. The officer monitoring his microphones connected me live with the bedroom, and the squawling almost broke my eardrums. Arafat was roaring like a tiger, and his lover yelping like a hyena."

Munteaunu continued: "I've never before seen so much cleverness, blood and filth all together in one man." Munteaunu, wrote Pacepa, spent months pulling together secret reports from Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian intelligence agencies as well as Romanian files.

"I used to think I knew just about everything there was to know about Rahman al-Qudwa," Arafat's real name, "about the construction engineer who made a fortune in Kuwait, about the passionate collector of racing cars, about Abu Amman," Arafat's nom de guerre, "and about my friend Yasser, with all his hysterics," explained Munteaunu, handing Pacepa his final report on the PLO leader. "But I've got to admit that I didn't really know anything about him."

Pacepa wrote: "The report was indeed an incredible account of fanaticism, of devotion to his cause, of tangled oriental political maneuvers, of lies, of embezzled PLO funds deposited in Swiss banks, and of homosexual relationships, beginning with his teacher when he was a teen-ager and ending with his current bodyguards. After reading the report, I felt a compulsion to take a shower whenever I had been kissed by Arafat, or even just shaken his hand."

"If true, Arafat would have a great deal to conceal from his people and his murderously anti-homosexual supporters in the Islamic world," writes Frum, suggesting that Arafat was airlifted to France for medical treatment because he "could trust the French to protect his intimate secret."

46 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:44:29am

Zionist slander! Or something.

Come to think of it, how bad is the AIDS problem in the Middle East? I imagine they don't want to talk about it...

47 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:44:31am

re: #10 MikieBahamas

Payback is a bitch!

God works in mysterious ways.

This isn't G_d. This is "personal responsibility." Play ---------> Pay. Sow ---------> Reap

48 Jimmy The Clam  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:44:36am

I'm not about to hang my hat on an AIDS proclamation on Arafish from Hizballah’s Al-Manar TV.
As much as I want to believe it, this just as easily could be anti-Arafat Hizballah propaganda.

49 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:44:37am

re: #34 lawhawk

Correction to the above - it joined the PLO in 1968... it was independently created earlier out of a group of different terrorist groups and socialists.

50 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:44:48am

Hey Zombie....
Can't tell you how much I enjoyed your post yesterday containing the thoughtful, articulate emails from your muslim audience! Haven't laughed like that in a while! Remember
eat and f#$& pick at the same time

;^)

51 Spionator  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:44:50am

So that´s what was in the red binder.

T helper cell reports.

52 ibrodsky  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:44:51am

Veterinarians Without Borders

Save the Goats Project

53 greenmamba  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:44:56am

Ha! Can't you recognize a Mossad plant when you see one?

Of course this ruse will be exposed when Fatah releases the French medical report showing Yassir died of Zionist Genocidal Nazi Apartheid poisoned mind rays. Any year now.

54 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:45:18am

Old Mo was happy to have "received" Yasser (for all eternity).

55 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:45:24am

re: #28 Ward Cleaver

The latest (serious) theory I've heard is that the original "patient zero" must have contracted AIDS by committing necrophilia on a recently deceased chimpanzee.

(Not kidding.)

The theory being that the most viable way for it to have been transmitted from apes to humans is not through eating but through sex, and since a chimp obviously wouldn't stand for sex with a human while alive, and since the virus can only survive a short time in a dead body, the logical scenario is that some African killed a chimp (probably for food), but after killing it decided to "have a go" with the carcass.

56 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:45:32am

re: #27 Tumulus11

. Suha is unconcerned.
She knew what was in the Red Binder all along.

So the red binder was a photo album? Who knew?

57 storagemanager  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:46:14am

Who the hell cares...he is dead.....and Iran and Syria are killing our troops...I wish we talked more about this.....

Initial Benchmark Assessment Report

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

58 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:46:18am

PA reaction: "He didn't have it. It's your fault he had it. You are racists."

LLL reaction: "How homophobic of you to say that he would have it. And you shouldn't say things that will inflame their perfectly accceptable homophobic culture."

59 Fjordman  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:46:31am

OT:

[Link: memri.org...]

Khudayr Taher, an Iraqi Shi'ite writer living in the U.S. and a regular contributor to the liberal Elaph website, had a quite illiberal suggestion - he asked why Europe and America shouldn't deport their Muslim populations. He wrote:

"Countries have the right to defend themselves and assure their citizens' safety from terrorism. Likewise, it is clear that the source of the terrorist crimes in Europe and America is the Muslims who live in these countries.

"The security services cannot know people's intentions and sort out who is the noble immigrant and who is a terrorist criminal. [But] wherever there are Muslims, their presence has produced crimes of terrorism and murder.

"Among those Muslims in Europe and America who do not practice terrorism, most of them do not have loyalty and sincere attachment to these countries that have offered them all of the means of life in dignity - housing, studies, work, and citizenship...

"The legitimate question is this: Since the security services cannot sort out the good immigrant from the bad terrorist... why don't these countries deport all Muslims, of all races, from Europe and America, and [thus] find rest from the danger of terrorism, and protect their peoples?

"I, as an Arab Muslim immigrant, sincerely call on the countries of Europe and America to deport all Muslims from their territories - including myself, despite my love and my sincere attachment to the U.S..."

60 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:47:10am

re: #55 zombie

Can you find a link?

61 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:47:22am

I guess this is why they try and stick to the 72 virgins then ...

62 meMarc  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:47:22am

re: #36 Buck

Calm down lizards...

This guy is stating what he heard someone else say. He did not see the report.

AND you know that tommorow he will be able to say that he was mis translated...

IMO This isn't the break we are looking for. We need a former lover, with graphic pictures to move the Arab Street.

Also it is not all great that Arafat was homosexual. This could very easily lead to a lot of gay bashing, both in the streets of Gaza, and in these forums...

Maybe Larry Flynt should put up a few million for a photograph. I'm sure somebody was bribing him what with all that aid money he was getting.

63 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:47:30am

re: #39 Ward Cleaver

Allah is buggering him right now.

Your wish is my command!

64 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:48:17am

re: #46 Pawn of the Oppressor

Zionist slander! Or something.

Come to think of it, how bad is the AIDS problem in the Middle East? I imagine they don't want to talk about it...

The last I heard, they don't even want to test for it. I would be willing to make an educated bet that it would be well worth your while to remain firmly celibate.

65 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:48:17am

re: #25 sceneone

Where do we sign up to stone the corpse? praise Allah.

I'm not one for desecrating graves, but if given the opportunity, there are two grave sites I will happily pee on:

- Arafat
- Ted Kennedy (may the day come soon)

Maybe I should make a list, because I'm tempted to add LBJ and Robert McNamara to those.

66 Bearster  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:48:22am

The Israeli's missed a chance to cause Arafat's death by high-velocity lead.

But hey. Justice, like morality, is all relative, right? Who am I to say that the proper death for a mass-murderer is a bullet? Who am I to say that he was a mass-murder? How can one really define "murder" anyways.

/disgusted

67 jcm  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:48:23am

The red binder was his med schedule.

68 templar  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:48:28am

Guess that's why they had to get him out of the West Bank and from among most his followers that fast. If word surfaced that Arafat was a pederast/homosexual imagine what Hamas might do to him. It will certienly destroy his credibility as the great freedom fighter. I guess we should have saw that coming from the "Father of the Palestinian Nation".

69 Tricky Dick  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:48:34am

LOL Arafish. No 72 virgins for you.

OT

Musharraf vows war on militants

President Pervez Musharraf says he is determined that extremism and terrorism will be eradicated in Pakistan.

I wonder if this means he's going to wise up and let us go after Osama in that territory between Pakistan and Afghanistan?

70 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:48:37am

re: #55 zombie

While it was still warm ...

(sorry)

71 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:48:38am

In other AIDS news;

Charles wrote: They’re almost certainly not going to be executed. This [Libyan death sentence] is an elaborate honor/shame charade, trying to shake money out of some gullible EU country; if not Bulgaria, any of the others might pony up.

I predict Kaddafi and his thugs will execute these dirty kuffar nurses-- to demonstrate they're still serious extortionists-- even if that means holding them hostage 'til they rot in a Libyan prison.

These are the same rough beasts who slaughtered 270 innocents at Lockerbie for Christmas 1988. They're the same [bigoted word]s who armed, based, trained, financed and (yes) directed decades of bloody IRA bombing campaigns. They're the same barbarian tribesmen who've practiced piracy and extortion for centuries against Western Europe.

The jackal can't change his cackle.... but let's all pretend otherwise;

Bush to send ambassador to Libya, first in years

In a sign of improving U.S. ties with Libya, President George W. Bush on Wednesday announced he was sending the first U.S. ambassador to Tripoli in nearly 35 years.

Kaddafi delenda est

72 ibrodsky  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:48:39am

re: #46 Pawn of the Oppressor

Zionist slander! Or something.

Come to think of it, how bad is the AIDS problem in the Middle East? I imagine they don't want to talk about it...

There is no AIDS under Islam!

Homosexuals are executed.
Sick people are executed or left to die.
Anyone who engages in sex outside marriage is stoned to death.
Medicine has barely progressed beyond the 7th century.

73 Shug  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:49:01am

re: #63 zombie

re: #39 Ward Cleaver


Allah is buggering him right now.

Your wish is my command!


zombie,
take off the captions and that looks like any Friday night scene in San Francisco

74 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:49:13am
75 mikevp  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:49:21am

Hm.... That does put a somewhat different spin on Arafat's widely publicized, to the accompaniment of fawning media attention, donation of blood to "help" the surviving victims of 9/11.

Oh, yeah.

76 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:49:23am

re: #63 zombie

Damn.

77 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:49:32am

Is his daughter really his daughter?

If she is, does the poor kid have HIV as well?

78 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:49:34am

Now where was that photoshopped piccy of rage boy looking like a chimp ...

79 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:50:45am

re: #63 zombie

re: #39 Ward Cleaver


Allah is buggering him right now.

Your wish is my command!


Don't get me started again! LOL!

80 bianchi_roadie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:51:25am

While I kind of believe it, I'm also not surprised Hiz TV is running this story. It's an attempt to smear Fatah. Hizbollah and Hamas have more in common than with Fatah.

Probably true (from other sources), so Hiz has no reason not to run it to turn public opinion against Fatah.

81 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:52:22am

re: #79 MrMomGreat, zombietime is blocked here now.

82 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:52:22am

re: #50 MrMom

Hey Zombie....
Can't tell you how much I enjoyed your post yesterday containing the thoughtful, articulate emails from your muslim audience! Haven't laughed like that in a while! Remember
eat and f#$& pick at the same time

I'm still not sure why that quote was the only gem that struck a chord with the audience!

Personally, I was more partial to

"Shame on You! Shame On You! Is it your contemporaneousness?! "

and

"Just wait for the Angle of Death"

83 Shemesh  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:52:31am

This is an old story. It was doing the rounds within days of Arafat's death. Some people suggested that he caught if off rent boys in Tripoli. Here's another one:

[Link: web.israelinsider.com...]

Until we see a medical report we can't jump to conclusions, but a reporter for Haaretz claimed to have had access to it:

[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

84 mean Gene  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:53:37am

I'm guessing old Yasser was more looking forward to all the promised young boys 'round about in paradise with butts gleaming like two pearls than he was all those nasty virgins.

85 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:54:02am

re: #80 bianchi_roadie

There have also been reports that Hizbullah has managed to take over the al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, which is Fatah's more militant faction, though Fatah retains "administrative controls."

I'd simply note that all seek Israel's destruction, and each will deal with the others unless there are serious personality conflicts - which is almost always a given because of the egomaniacs leading each of these groups and the way each leads is to buy off support by giving their minions leadership of new factions.

86 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:54:09am

re: #74 buzzsawmonkey

Yesterday afternoon's open thread around #50 or #60. Gonna love it Buzz! (the rest of the thread got very amusing...including dry humping dolphins. No kidding.

87 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:54:55am

re: #60 Ward Cleaver

re: #55 zombie

Can you find a link?

Sadly, no -- I heard it in a conversation with level-headed scientist types who were seriosuly discussing the latest literature.

No clue how to find a link.

88 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:55:33am

re: #82 zombie

I'm still not sure why that quote was the only gem that struck a chord with the audience!

Personally, I was more partial to

"Shame on You! Shame On You! Is it your contemporaneousness?! "

and

"Just wait for the Angle of Death"

Those were good, zombie, but "Eat & F*** Pick!" belongs in the glossary!

89 Charles  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:55:53am

re: #71 Terp Mole

In other AIDS news;

Charles wrote: They’re almost certainly not going to be executed. This [Libyan death sentence] is an elaborate honor/shame charade, trying to shake money out of some gullible EU country; if not Bulgaria, any of the others might pony up.
I predict Kaddafi and his thugs will execute these dirty kuffar nurses-- to demonstrate they're still serious extortionists-- even if that means holding them hostage 'til they rot in a Libyan prison.

I hope you're wrong (and I think you are, I think it's a dance leading up to releasing them), but unfortunately I wouldn't rule that out. We'll see soon enough whether they're released or not.

90 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:56:31am

re: #86 MrMom

Dolphins need lubrication - how else are they going to save the planet from global warming otherwise?

91 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:56:59am

re: #74 buzzsawmonkey

#63 zombie

Where is your post with the fan mail? I miss all the cool overnight stuff.

Here.

92 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:57:49am
The theory being that the most viable way for it to have been transmitted from apes to humans is not through eating but through sex, and since a chimp obviously wouldn't stand for sex with a human while alive, and since the virus can only survive a short time in a dead body, the logical scenario is that some African killed a chimp (probably for food), but after killing it decided to "have a go" with the carcass.

Great. Yesterday it was dolphin frottage and today it's primate necrophilia. Can we please have a thread that doesn't delve into bestiality.

93 wargammer2005  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:58:08am

re: #55 zombie

it is possible that a person with an open wound got chimp blood in it by accident, while hunting

or meat that was not cooked enough and the person had a digestive problem that let the virus in

or any of a number of ways.

94 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:58:19am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HAHAHAHAH.

95 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:59:22am

Charles, IIRC, you had a post circa early November 2004 positing a theory on Arafish dying of AIDs or something along those lines, correct?

96 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:59:34am

I guess this is not a good time to mention the theory that syphilis got into humans because members of a certain community had camels as one of their many wives ....

97 jharada  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:59:56am

AIDS infected melons from the joos.

98 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:00:53am

BBC's favorite journalist:

[Link: switch5.castup.net...]

This guy is ALWAYS on the BBC.

99 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:00:55am

Speaking of camels - I have met a man who (*ahem*) "did it" with a camel - he said that camels were better than sheep or goats and "almost like a women"

100 WeaselZipper  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:01:18am

Dutch Bill Seeks to Ban the Burqa....

Won't pass but we can dream!

101 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:01:33am

re: #91 zombie

OMG-zombie you drower!

Don't DROW THE PROPHET!

102 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:02:19am

re: #99 drk

Well camels probably put less on the credit card-and have fewer headaches, right?

103 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:02:24am

re: #81 Ward Cleaver

re: #79 MrMomGreat, zombietime is blocked here now.


(Tail between legs. Log out. Lurk on>)

104 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:02:37am

re: #97 jharada

ROTFLMAO

105 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:03:05am

re: #93 wargammer2005

re: #55 zombie

it is possible that a person with an open wound got chimp blood in it by accident, while hunting

or meat that was not cooked enough and the person had a digestive problem that let the virus in

or any of a number of ways.

Yeah, personally, I think the most likely method was not in eating the meat or from sex but from butchering the ape or monkey after killing it.

Easy enough to cut one's hand while prepping the carcass for meat.

They would have had to do it very very soon after killing the primate, though, because the virus can only survive a couple hours after death (at outdoor temperatures).

106 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:03:28am

re: #102 WriterMom

Its that old "cheaper to run" argument again ...

107 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:04:11am

re: #96 drk

I guess this is not a good time to mention the theory that syphilis got into humans because members of a certain community had camels as one of their many wives ....

I thought syphilis started out as a horse disease -- right? (Like the common cold -- also a horse disease.)

108 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:04:29am

IIRC, the PFLP was a Marxist, not Islamic, anti-Israeli terror group, and even (George Habash?) has a Christian born commander.

109 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:05:14am

So why didn't the French tell the truth about Arafish?

oh, nevermind...

110 WeaselZipper  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:05:18am

Arab "boy" love is quite common, so this shouldn't be a surprise.

Interesting, yes! Surprise, no...

112 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:06:10am

re: #107 zombie

Horses not camels! Que Horror! Have you got a link - I heard camels years ago and haven't seen anything else lately

.. of course with either horses or camels you need a reliable step-ladder

113 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:06:13am

re: #105 zombie

re: #93 wargammer2005

re: #55 zombie

it is possible that a person with an open wound got chimp blood in it by accident, while hunting

or meat that was not cooked enough and the person had a digestive problem that let the virus in

or any of a number of ways.

Yeah, personally, I think the most likely method was not in eating the meat or from sex but from butchering the ape or monkey after killing it.

Easy enough to cut one's hand while prepping the carcass for meat.

They would have had to do it very very soon after killing the primate, though, because the virus can only survive a couple hours after death (at outdoor temperatures).

I agree with you zombie. You do have to take into account the difference between outdoor temps here and outdoor temps near the equator though. Most of the year those would be closer to body temp.

I do - and have always - have one reservation about this theory though. It is close to impossible to infect chimps with HIV. There is a similar virus (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus - SIV) that is used in research.

114 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:06:14am

Mo, singing an old Pretender's tune upon entering the underworld...

Mo, I saw a picture of you, oh oh oh oh
Won't you jack with my world tonight?
To a place in my ass in the past
Weve been cast out of? oh oh oh oh
Now it's feeling so right
Oh, I feel such great pain
I'm back to the gang bang...

A circumstance beyond my control, oh oh oh oh
The phone, the tv and the bombs of the world
Got me thrown like a demon into hell, oh oh oh oh
With stars in my eyes as the guards upzipped flies
Oh, I feel such great pain
I'm back to the gang bang...

115 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:07:20am

re: #99 drk

Speaking of camels - I have met a man who (*ahem*) "did it" with a camel - he said that camels were better than sheep or goats and "almost like a women"

I really, really, didn't want to know that. Ack.

116 jcm  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:07:51am

re: #89 Charles

re: #71 Terp Mole

In other AIDS news;

Charles wrote: They’re almost certainly not going to be executed. This [Libyan death sentence] is an elaborate honor/shame charade, trying to shake money out of some gullible EU country; if not Bulgaria, any of the others might pony up.

I predict Kaddafi and his thugs will execute these dirty kuffar nurses-- to demonstrate they're still serious extortionists-- even if that means holding them hostage 'til they rot in a Libyan prison.

I hope you're wrong (and I think you are, I think it's a dance leading up to releasing them), but unfortunately I wouldn't rule that out. We'll see soon enough whether they're released or not.

They will push the the last minute, have the firing squad warming up on a few common criminals, feed the condemned the last meal, give them a chance to convert to Islam. The at the last second the great enlightened leader Quaddafi will pardon them in a great show of mercy. Showing once again how much greater he is than the rest.

117 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:07:56am

re: #110 WeaselZipper

I was chatted up in Luxor once by an Arab who said I looked like "Kevin Costner"- does that count? Probably not because I was like 30+ at the time ...

118 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:08:02am

re: #109 NoSubmission

So why didn't the French tell the truth about Arafish?

oh, nevermind...

Remember all that seething in the muslim world because of a cartoon? Now tell them that their #1 current hero died of AIDS . . . . . .

119 Joel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:08:16am

As long as the old bastard is still dead, I am happy.

120 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:08:21am

Silky Pony campaign HQ evacuated

I question the timing.

At the rate he's going, his HQ will be permanently evacuated before long.

121 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:08:24am

re: #110 WeaselZipper

Arab "boy" love is quite common, so this shouldn't be a surprise.

Interesting, yes! Surprise, no...

Well, I understand pederasty is quite common. But I was under the impression that generally the partner at risk of catching AIDS was the receptive partner, and that only in parts of Africa and Asia, where untreated venereal diseases provide a path through the penis into the blood stream, do males not engaged in receptive homosexual activity have a high risk for contracting AIDS.

122 RoyalCanadian  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:08:37am

I never was a fan of Arafat, however, this AIDS thing is just gossip until it is verified by at least two independent medical sources. You cannot tell what kind of hay it was unless you smelled the pitchfork.

123 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:08:57am
124 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:09:01am

re: #120 JammieWearingFool

Silky Pony campaign HQ evacuated

I question the timing.

At the rate he's going, his HQ will be permanently evacuated before long.

Did he remember his hairbrush and his compact?

125 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:10:00am

re: #121 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #110 WeaselZipper


Arab "boy" love is quite common, so this shouldn't be a surprise.

Interesting, yes! Surprise, no...


Well, I understand pederasty is quite common. But I was under the impression that generally the partner at risk of catching AIDS was the receptive partner, and that only in parts of Africa and Asia, where untreated venereal diseases provide a path through the penis into the blood stream, do males not engaged in receptive homosexual activity have a high risk for contracting AIDS.


What I mean is, maybe sometimes Arafat was the tiger, and sometimes Arafat was the hyena.

126 Sponge  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:10:01am
He's playing tiger again. The officer monitoring his microphones connected me live with the bedroom, and the squawling almost broke my eardrums. Arafat was roaring like a tiger, and his lover yelping like a hyena."


BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

I can't read that enough....that's f'ing hysterical. Just picture that old smelly bastard chasing around his bodyguard roaring like a tiger, prancing around like a gay pride parade, bitting the 'hyena' on the ass........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

127 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:10:02am

Hillary better get herself checked.

128 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:10:07am

re: #115 Hard Right

He was an old soldier who had fought against the "fuzzie wuzzies" in the Sudan long before I was born. Interesting guy and my guess is he wouldn't have any time for any Islamic nonsense .. having fought against the "Old Madhi" and kicked ass ...

129 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:10:13am

re: #122 RoyalCanadian

I never was a fan of Arafat, however, this AIDS thing is just gossip until it is verified by at least two independent medical sources. You cannot tell what kind of hay it was unless you smelled the pitchfork.

Not entirely gossip. There are a number of pictures of Arafat in the last couple of years of his life that show lesions on his face that look suspiciously like Kaposi's Sarcoma - diagnostic for AIDS.

130 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:10:29am
131 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:10:32am

re: #122 RoyalCanadian
Thats one pitchfork I'd stay away from, ewwwwwwhwhhhhhh

132 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:10:57am
133 jcm  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:11:12am

re: #119 Joel

As long as the old bastard is still dead, I am happy.

I was so hoping for an Arafish car swarm, I feel so cheated.

134 Joel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:11:12am

109 NoSubmission and #118 galloping granny

According to a Rumanian intelligence officer who later defected to the West, the Rumanian secret police "the Securitate" had tapes of Arafat being given the Deliverance treatment by one of his bodyguards in a Bucharest hotel room.

135 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:11:26am
I do - and have always - have one reservation about this theory though. It is close to impossible to infect chimps with HIV. There is a similar virus (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus - SIV) that is used in research.

Cats have a similar virus. I think that widely accepted theories about HIV's origins are incorrect and that the virus has been with humanity for a long time.

136 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:11:37am

re: #123 buzzsawmonkey

re: #91 zombie

Thanks! You get the neatest mail.

I wonder if Islamic Rage Boy has learned to use a computer yet; I can just see him typing out a similar message down at The Bactrian Camel Halal Internet Cafe and Kebab Shoppe.


of course he has..."eat and fuck pick" was Islamic Rage Boy!


LOL!

137 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:11:46am

The Turks (Ottomans) had an army of boys walk behind them backwards.

138 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:11:47am

re: #121 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Also the Islamic tradition of "thighing" makes it harder to catch - maybe Arafat bent over and played bitch ...

139 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:12:26am

Expecting small boys Arafat has no idea what to do with th 72 virgins.....

140 Joel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:12:46am

re: #133 jcm

It would be nice to have seen Arafish having the top of his head literally being blown off by an Apache just like Ahmed Yassin and Abdel Aziz al Rantisi.

141 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:12:53am

re: #124 galloping granny

This is the third time that they've had to evacuate because of suspicious packages. Whatever you think of him and his inadequacies as Presidential material, whoever is sending those packages should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. They're putting people in danger and costing taxpayers serious money in emergency response.

In other news, Sharpe James, former Mayor of Newark, NJ (and lifelong Democrat) was indicted on 33 counts. The news article noting this accomplishment omitted the political affiliation part. Go figure.

142 Sponge  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:12:57am

re: #99 drk

Speaking of camels - I have met a man who (*ahem*) "did it" with a camel - he said that camels were better than sheep or goats and "almost like a women"


Seriously.....how the HELL did THAT come up in conversation?!?

143 lizardbennet  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:13:02am

re: #122 RoyalCanadian

You cannot tell what kind of hay it was unless you smelled the pitchfork.

No thanks....

144 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:13:16am

re: #136 paxnhymn

"The Bactrian Camel Halal Internet Cafe and Kebab Shoppe."

LOL ...

but do they do "Goat Flavoured Condoms" yet?

145 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:13:37am

re: #123 buzzsawmonkey

re: #91 zombie

Thanks! You get the neatest mail.

Well, I wouldn't call death threats "neat" exactly, but the rest of them can be amusing.

Most of my death threats don't bother me because I trace their email's IP and discover they sent it from Indonesia or London or somewhere far away, but Mr. "if i can see you I will kill you son of bitch" used some kind of anonymizer so I'm not assured that's safely on the other side of some ocean.

146 deanyc  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:13:52am

How could this be? I thought pork was forbidden?

147 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:14:00am

that's safely = that he's safely

148 xgaijin  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:14:33am

John Loftus was reporting this a few years ago when Arafat first died. Nobody cared what he had to say, but then again Loftus is something of a mixed bag as far as being reliable is concerned.

149 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:14:40am

re: #111 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

So is the eye aimed for Okinawa landfall?

150 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:14:41am

re: #142 Sponge

re: #99 drk


Speaking of camels - I have met a man who (*ahem*) "did it" with a camel - he said that camels were better than sheep or goats and "almost like a women"

Seriously.....how the HELL did THAT come up in conversation?!?


"come"?up in conversation" ? Double intendre?

?ohh this is tooo damn funny!

151 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:14:47am

But before my ignoble exit.....
A man joining the french foreign legion reported to his CO for duty. Middle of the African desert. Asks "doesn't it get lonely here? What do you do when you miss female companionship?" CO tells him, "there's a camel over there behind that tent." New recruit says, "I'll never be that desperate." Finally, new recruit becomes 'that desperate' and sneaks off behind the tent. CO hears odd noises, approaches, and sees the recruit copulating with the camel. CO screams "what are you doing?" New recruit says, "you told me when I got lonely for female companionship the camel was behind the tent." CO says, "ya, we usually take it into town to go to the whorehouse!"

Ba da dum.

152 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:14:51am

re: #140 Joel

yeppers, i'd bugger his ass with a hellfire...

153 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:15:02am

re: #142 Sponge

Somehow I get to meet the most interesting people - maybe its the company I keep!

154 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:15:06am

re: #119 Joel

As long as the old bastard is still dead, I am happy.

The death cult lives on, but none by Arafat's hand anymore.

155 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:15:07am

Looks like Yasser was the recipient of more than a Nobel, huh?

156 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:15:20am

Pardon me if this has already been asked, but has it been discussed, in all seriousness, just how he actually contracted AIDS? Other than him perhaps being an intravenous drug user or someone who had sex with many, many people (unprotected sex at that), is there really any other way he could have gotten/died from AIDS?

Granted, the latter method is a rather disturbing thought with ANY political leader...LOL.

157 WeaselZipper  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:15:26am

re: #117 drk

re: #110 WeaselZipper

I was chatted up in Luxor once by an Arab who said I looked like "Kevin Costner"- does that count? Probably not because I was like 30+ at the time ...

HAHAHAHA, be careful around those a-rabs, they have a tendency to explode!

158 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:15:41am

When will I learn to stop eating watermelon while reading here? No I have more spewed watermelon and juice all over my keypad. The pissants are gonna' love it.

159 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:15:45am

re: #148 xgaijin

John Loftus was reporting this a few years ago when Arafat first died. Nobody cared what he had to say, but then again Loftus is something of a mixed bag as far as being reliable is concerned.

I've always thought the same thing (about Loftus).

160 pat  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:15:56am

Was Arafat ever in Libya?

161 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:16:12am

re: #55 zombie

re: #28 Ward Cleaver

The latest (serious) theory I've heard is that the original "patient zero" must have contracted AIDS by committing necrophilia on a recently deceased chimpanzee.

(Not kidding.)

The theory being that the most viable way for it to have been transmitted from apes to humans is not through eating but through sex, and since a chimp obviously wouldn't stand for sex with a human while alive, and since the virus can only survive a short time in a dead body, the logical scenario is that some African killed a chimp (probably for food), but after killing it decided to "have a go" with the carcass.

Wow. Back in the juvenille days of junior high school that was the running joke - "Dude, do you realize that for AIDS to reach people, it means somebody in Africa f-cked a monkey? LOL!". I never thought it might actually be true. @_@

162 ballantrae  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:16:37am

re: #36 Buck

It's not that he was gay, as much that he was a pederast.

In our society we view such people as the lowest of the low.

-ron

163 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:17:02am

re: #158 MandyManners
and ya don't know if that melon has been already used either......

164 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:17:31am

What happened to Lynne Stewart, you ask?
Not enough, my friend, not enough...

re: #130 Ben Hur

165 Joel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:17:31am

re: #154 Silhouette

I wonder who was the real father of the child (since Yasser probably could not) of his wife Miss Piggy (Suha Arafish, the one living it up in Paris).

166 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:17:39am

*******************************

Typhoon Man-Yi Mini-Update:

The eye is again contracting, and thunderstorm tops in the eye-wall have cooled to -80º C, indicating additional strengthening as the possible Super-Typhoon approaches the Japanese island of Okinawa and the US servicemen and servicewomen stationed there.

latest U-Wisconin Dvorak intensity is 127 knots, or 235 km/hr (146 mph)

167 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:18:08am

re: #162 ballantrae

re: #36 Buck

It's not that he was gay, as much that he was a pederast.

In our society we view such people as the lowest of the low.

-ron

Wouldn't "pedophile" be the better term in that case? Or would it be pederast as in the old Greek/Roman (?) practice?

Theoretically, of course. We obviously have no proof that that's what he was doing. (Ew if it's true, by the way.)

168 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:18:14am

re: #157 WeaselZipper

Nice guy but totally gay - the fact that my wife was in the shop at the same time as he was stroking my chest and making eyes at me made it even funnier ..

169 jcm  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:18:18am

re: #144 drk

Get the variety pack. Goat, camel, sheep, horse, and cow.

170 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:18:34am

re: #89 Charles: I hope you're wrong (and I think you are, I think it's a dance leading up to releasing them), but unfortunately I wouldn't rule that out. We'll see soon enough whether they're released or not.

I hope I'm wrong, too. I think much depends on whether Megrahi's tribal clan thinks releasing these nurses will hurt or help his case. I think they (and Kaddafi) don't care a lick about the blood money-- now that the oil revenues are flowing again.

You're right about the honor/shame aspect. But this game is more about springing Megrahi than jizya.

France dances for Kaddafi today;

French first lady visits Bulgarian nurses sentenced to death in Libya

French First Lady Cecilia Sarkozy on Thursday visited five Bulgarian nurses sentenced to death in Libya for allegedly infecting hundreds of children with HIV, France's president said.

The trip was Cecilia Sarkozy's first appearance on the international scene since her husband took office in May. As a campaign promise, he had promised to work to free the nurses.

President Nicolas Sarkozy told reporters that his wife would also see Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi and meet children affected infected with HIV on her trip.

Would you send your wife alone to meet this perv?

171 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:18:35am

Maybe he got AIDS whilst consuming PORK. (Grumbling, and rolling eyes)...

172 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:18:41am

re: #135 Dirk Diggler

I do - and have always - have one reservation about this theory though. It is close to impossible to infect chimps with HIV. There is a similar virus (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus - SIV) that is used in research.

Cats have a similar virus. I think that widely accepted theories about HIV's origins are incorrect and that the virus has been with humanity for a long time.

Yes, FIV - the F stands for feline.

People who seriously study AIDS pretty much discarded the chimps theory long ago. And most of the other theories that have been put forth. We've learned a couple of pretty interesting things though.

One of the very first people diagnosed with AIDS back in the early 80s actually survived. He lives in Massachusetts - or at least he did. After some years, despite the fact that we had developed much more sensitive tests, he no longer tested positive for AIDS by any means at all.

And then scientists started to notice all over the country that there were an ever increasing number of people whose partners had HIV/AIDS that never caught the virus, even though they had repeated unprotected exposure.

One of the upshots of all that was the discovery that people who are descended from survivors of the Black Plague seem to be immune to HIV.

And yes, there have been cases that when examined retrospectively appear to be AIDS many years before the "discovery."

173 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:18:45am

re: #120 JammieWearingFool

Silky Pony campaign HQ evacuated


What happened? Did somebody drop his talcum powder and everybody thought it was an anthrax attack?

174 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:19:06am

Speaking of Palestinians, one was killed in the West Bank after opening fire on Israeli soldiers. They had to call in sappers because he had a bomb vest. Palestinian terrorists have been quite busy in the West Bank - both Hamas and Fatah.

175 Joel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:19:17am

re: #171 Cap'n DOC

Maybe from a toilet seat?

176 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:19:37am
177 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:19:45am
178 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:20:11am

re: #169 jcm

I reckon I should open an "Islamic Farm" theme park then

179 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:20:18am

Lawhawk,

I suspected you'd be on this story today. Good work.

Sharpe James became a very wealthy man running the cesspool known as Newark.

In other news, Sharpe James, former Mayor of Newark, NJ (and lifelong Democrat) was indicted on 33 counts. The news article noting this accomplishment omitted the political affiliation part. Go figure.

180 Canadian Infidel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:20:20am

This post is a few years old but addresses AIDS in the Islamic world.

I have to imagine AIDS is a huge unreported issue in the Islamic world.

181 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:20:20am

re: #135 Dirk Diggler

I think that widely accepted theories about HIV's origins are incorrect and that the virus has been with humanity for a long time.

I agree. My long-held theory is that humans have had the HIV virus for centuries, if not millennia. It only reached 'epidemic" level when, shall we say, the social behavior of a certain sub-population changed in the mid-70s.

It's not the kind of topic that can be discussed here, but what happened in New York and San Francisco starting around 1975 or so was so extreme that it created a new ecosystem -- essentially a communally shared bloodstream. That had never happened before.

182 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:20:34am
183 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:20:49am

Now, You Be the Tiger

Intelligence on "the tiger" romping with bodyguards
Frum pointed to KGB evidence linking Arafat to homosexual activities, citing a 1987 book by Lt.-Gen. Ion Pacepa, the deputy chief of Romania's intelligence service under Communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu.

In his memoirs "Red Horizons," Pacepa relates a conversation in 1978 with Constantin Munteaunu, a general assigned to teach Arafat and the PLO techniques to deceive the West into granting the organization recognition.

"I just called the microphone monitoring center to ask about the 'Fedayee,'" Arafat's code name, explained Munteaunu. "After the meeting with the Comrade, he went directly to the guest house and had dinner. At this very moment, the 'Fedayee' is in his bedroom making love to his bodyguard. The one I knew was his latest lover. He's playing tiger again. The officer monitoring his microphones connected me live with the bedroom, and the squawling almost broke my eardrums. Arafat was roaring like a tiger, and his lover yelping like a hyena."

184 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:20:58am

re: #172 galloping granny

One of the upshots of all that was the discovery that people who are descended from survivors of the Black Plague seem to be immune to HIV.

Well, that is one of the most interesting things I have learned today.

185 Sponge  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:20:58am

re: #150 paxnhymn

re: #142 Sponge


re: #99 drk

Speaking of camels - I have met a man who (*ahem*) "did it" with a camel - he said that camels were better than sheep or goats and "almost like a women"

Seriously.....how the HELL did THAT come up in conversation?!?

"come"?up in conversation" ? Double intendre?

?ohh this is tooo damn funny!

So seriously, was he arroused attending the county fair in the animal auctions?

186 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:21:05am

re: #173 Kenneth

There have been three different incidents - each involving suspicious packages, some containing threats.

187 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:21:17am

re: #141 lawhawk

re: #124 galloping granny

This is the third time that they've had to evacuate because of suspicious packages. Whatever you think of him and his inadequacies as Presidential material, whoever is sending those packages should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. They're putting people in danger and costing taxpayers serious money in emergency response.

I'm sorry. You're right lawhawk! I was being flippant. I agree with you that whoever is sending those packages should be prosecuted and jailed. Aren't we scanning all packages to folks like him still?

188 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:21:51am

re: #172 galloping granny

Wow, that's a lot of interesting info. I'll admit that I've never done that much research on the disease. I'm going off of what they told us back in high school (which I graduated from in '04)...that is to say, AIDS can't be caught through touching an infected person's hand, or through spit, etc. etc.

Descendants of those who survived the Black Plague? So basically anyone who lived through that time in Europe, then, so lots of Caucasians? What are the highest risk races for AIDS?

189 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:22:02am

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

In which case we can be partners and open "The Bactrian Camel Halal Internet Cafe and Kebab Theme Park" - with Farfur as guide ...

190 Joel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:22:03am

Any one mention today that today is the one year anniversary of the outbreak of the 2nd Lebanon War.? Olmerde really screwed that one up and why the oaf is till in power is beyond me. He and Avraham Burg - which one is more vile?

191 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:22:19am

re: #186 lawhawk

Well I certainly condemn that sort of thing.

192 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:22:47am

Arafat has completely destroyed my stereotype of gay men as handsome, strapping, cleanly happy people with a knack for show tunes. Although, I understand the the dude was a huge "Les Mis" fan.

193 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:23:08am

re: #180 Canadian Infidel

AIDS is un-Islamic and "haram" - therefore any discussion of the subject makes you an apostate - or kufr - or worse ...

194 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:23:10am

re: #109 NoSubmission

So why didn't the French tell the truth about Arafish?

oh, nevermind...

Birds of a feather.....

195 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:23:15am

re: #190 Joel

Burg.

196 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:23:16am

AIDS is another one of the left's favorite topics for conspiracy theories.

/arafat had AIDS? The Mossad did it.

197 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:24:12am

re: #179 JammieWearingFool

Well, there was rumblings on nj.com's blog that they were going to be handing down the indictments today, but 33 counts? Dang. James was quite the busy bee.

Quote of the Day: "This indictment is about as surprising as the sun rising in the morning," New Jersey Republican Party chairman Tom Wilson said...

198 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:24:16am

Maybe they should start making young boys wear burkas.

199 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:24:42am

re: #185 Sponge


inquiring minds wanna know!LOL! There's gotta be something in the DSM-IV about specific diagnoses for livestock fettishes...


(this is sick but funny as hell!)

200 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:25:06am

re: #198 bulwrk or chastity belts

201 kansas  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:25:23am

The good news is Arafat is still dead, and won't be up for another Nobel prize. Will he?

202 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:25:52am

re: #200 apachegunner

re: #198 bulwrk or chastity belts


backwards?

203 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:26:25am

re: #190 Joel

Tie. Mind you-Olmerde's ineptitude cost Jewish lives. Burg's self-loathing hasn't yet.

204 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:26:28am

re: #180 Canadian Infidel

This post is a few years old but addresses AIDS in the Islamic world.

I have to imagine AIDS is a huge unreported issue in the Islamic world.

Some years back I knew medical people who had worked in Saudi. They were pretty much forbidden to even mention certain diagnoses.

205 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:26:44am
206 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:26:59am

re: #202 paxnhymn better than none at all ain't it?

207 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:27:12am

Why attack Edwards? I don't get it. It is contemptible, so looking for causes by me isn't excusing it, I'm just trying to figure out whom.

208 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:27:21am

re: #178 drk

re: #169 jcm

I reckon I should open an "Islamic Farm" theme park then

Islamic Heavy Petting Zoo

209 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:27:21am

re: #185 Sponge

No in the Sudan fighting the "Old Mahdi" - like - well almost 100 years ago.

I met him when he was a cleaner where I worked - he must have been at least 80 then and I was about 16 ..

Why he shared this with me ? I'll never know - but it is a pearl of wisdom that I will (a) take on trust and (b) remember to the grave ...

210 abbaMD  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:27:30am

re: #13 Oh no...Sand People!

I thought AIDS started with monkey's and not goats?

You mean jews as monkeys? No way! :-P

211 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:27:35am

He was too much of a man for just women.

212 Sponge  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:27:42am

re: #199 paxnhymn

yes, I don't feel good about the comments, but I am QUITE entertained....heheheheh.......baaahhahahahahaha said the goat.

213 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:27:43am

A Gay Old Time in the Muslim World

THE ayatollahs may not slap him with a fatwah as they did Salman Rushdie, but fundamentalist clerics are bound to be enraged at Michael Luongo over "Gay Travels in the Muslim World" (Harrington Park Press), his book celebrating homosexuality in the Middle East. Luongo who compiled chapters by 17 writers covering Morocco, Mauritania, Oman, Bangladesh, Turkey and Saudi Arabia had the foreword written by Afdhere Jama, the founder of Huriyah, "the world's first magazine for queer Muslims," who, he claims, number 150 million.
214 new_tommy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:27:47am

Arafat used to have sex with his bodyguards according to Eastern European (I think, specifically, Romanian) intelligence during the 1980's.

215 Joel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:27:58am

re: #203 WriterMom

Yeah I think that Burg should have a potted plant fall on his head from 20 story's up. Olmerde needs to be brought down so low that he can never rise again.

216 drk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:28:22am

re: #208 Hard Right

re: #178 drk

re: #169 jcm

I reckon I should open an "Islamic Farm" theme park then

Islamic Heavy Petting Zoo

I want the "Animal Burka" concession ...

217 Joel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:28:42am

re: #214 new_tommy

Arafat used to have sex with his bodyguards according to Eastern European (I think, specifically, Romanian) intelligence during the 1980's.

See my post #134

218 Sponge  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:28:46am

re: #209 drk

That's REALLY good to know. You're welcome to stay....hehehe.

219 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:28:52am

re: #206 apachegunner

re: #202 paxnhymn better than none at all ain't it?

LOL! Sure is...a cork or something...I dunno bout all that...I'm like the Diceman was on that subject, but I'm walkin' the delete line here...

220 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:29:08am

re: #210 abbaMD
yes, a tiny little green monkey, it fit snugly in the palm of your right hand, or left if you chose, easy to use I guess....

221 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:29:37am

re: #208 Hard Right

re: #178 drk


re: #169 jcm

I reckon I should open an "Islamic Farm" theme park then


Islamic Heavy Petting Zoo

LOL! With Farfour as the mascot!

222 Highrise  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:29:46am

Arafat always looked gay to me. There was something about his face and the way he walked and worked his hands when I would see him.

Just being honest with my observation of him. I always wondered if it was aids he died of. And that had absolutely nothing to do with hearing gossip /rolls eyes, I thought that on my own without hearing it elsewhere.

223 Catttt  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:30:04am

Wow - sounds a lot like flat honesty from Mr. Jibril. Better late than never. It's always possible he is saying it to move on and get somewhere, as he said.

One little thing I have to say to spoil this somber moment:

Yasser Arafat, who for 40 years had been carrying his gun from one place to another....

How many of you heard this little rhyme in your head when you read that?

This is my weapon and this is my gun.
One is for killing and one is for fun.

224 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:30:14am

re: #219 paxnhymn
careful, careful, Charles is lurking.....

225 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:30:22am

re: #201 kansas

The good news is Arafat is still dead, and won't be up for another Nobel prize. Will he?

"Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" as well

226 new_tommy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:30:31am

re: #217 Joel

re: #214 new_tommy

See my post #134

Ah, yes, then I'm not the only one who's heard about this. People used to think I was just making this stuff up.

227 Buck  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:30:45am

The transmission of AIDs from monkey to human could very easilly been through a very serious bite.

Trust me, monkeys bite.

228 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:31:36am

re: #184 Silhouette

re: #172 galloping granny


One of the upshots of all that was the discovery that people who are descended from survivors of the Black Plague seem to be immune to HIV.

Well, that is one of the most interesting things I have learned today.

Me too, I had no idea!

229 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:31:54am

re: #227 Buck
and I'll bet ararat bit too....

230 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:31:57am

re: #222 Highrise

He always looked evil to me.

231 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:31:59am

re: #226 new_tommy

re: #217 Joel

re: #214 new_tommy

See my post #134

Ah, yes, then I'm not the only one who's heard about this. People used to think I was just making this stuff up.

For the record, that post highly disturbed me. I need a brain scrubber to get the image out. Ew.

232 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:32:13am

While pedophile can be used to describe anyone who has sex with underaged children, the more clinical definition is a person who has sex with pre-pubescent children.


A pederast, however, is usually a gay man who prefers sex with under-aged, but post-pubescent boys. Most of the Catholic priests involved in the sex abuse scandal, and Michael Jackson, who appeared to have had relations with two different 13 year old boys, would be pederasts.

I'm not sure if there is a term for the 30 year old man who has sex with a 15 year old girl. Except for the lack of a homosexuality element, it is basically the same thing as pederasty.


I'm not sure if that is actually a mental health defect, or just a sleaze/low morals issue. I mean, I've seen attractive girls who were almost certainly under 18, but I'd never attempt to get them in bed.

233 SonOfLiberty  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:32:51am

I'm not saying he DIDN'T die of AIDS, but, and forgive me if I'm not getting it here, I don't think that Jibril is admitting that's how Arafat actually died - he's saying the French suggested that's what happened.

To be fair, I'm going entirely off of the topic post, so I may be reading it wrong.

234 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:32:54am

lawhawk,

James just blame Bush, whitey, Corey Booker, whoever is convenient at any given time.

BTW, I notice Johnny "The Beard" Corzine refuses to part with emails and will no longer (allegedly) be using email.

Nothing like honest and open government.

The Dems scream about Bush not divulging emails but are oddly silent about Corzine witholding his.

235 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:32:55am

Believable - YES, Proven - NO and NOT likely to be. Rumors in that part of the world, however, seem to have a life of their own.

-S-

236 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:33:59am

re: #163 apachegunner

Good thing I have a strong tummy.

237 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:34:17am

re: #188 Arashi

re: #172 galloping granny

Wow, that's a lot of interesting info. I'll admit that I've never done that much research on the disease. I'm going off of what they told us back in high school (which I graduated from in '04)...that is to say, AIDS can't be caught through touching an infected person's hand, or through spit, etc. etc.

Descendants of those who survived the Black Plague? So basically anyone who lived through that time in Europe, then, so lots of Caucasians? What are the highest risk races for AIDS?

The highest risk races for AIDS transmission are blacks & latinos, pretty much in that order. Yes, most Black Plague survivors were European - northern & eastern European to be precise about it. No, you cannot get tested to see if you are immune.

What they told you in high school is reasonably correct. You cannot be infected with HIV simply by touching someone. The virus is spread in three ways - unprotected sex (and that includes oral), shared needles and through "exchange of body fluids." The first two are the ones to worry about.

Something they did not tell you in high school: a condom has a 20% or so (depending on brand, some are far worse) failure rate as regards pregnancy even when used properly. The HIV virus is something like 1/1000 or less the size of a sperm.

238 Joel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:34:19am

re: #226 new_tommy

re: #217 Joel

re: #214 new_tommy

See my post #134

Ah, yes, then I'm not the only one who's heard about this. People used to think I was just making this stuff up.

The Rumanian intellegence officer's name was Ion Pacepa.

239 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:34:34am

re: #228 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #184 Silhouette


re: #172 galloping granny

One of the upshots of all that was the discovery that people who are descended from survivors of the Black Plague seem to be immune to HIV.

Well, that is one of the most interesting things I have learned today.

Me too, I had no idea!

One of the few timed PBS had interesting, unbiased info.

240 Terp Mole  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:34:39am

Historical Footnote: Jibril was the mastermind behind Iran's horrific Autumn Leaves multiple airliner bombing plot (luckily thwarted by German intelligence) in Fall 1988.

Jibril's operation would've dwarfed Lockerbie.

241 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:35:41am

re: #232 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Ah, thanks for the clarification...I kind of figured there was some difference between the two terms that I was missing.

242 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:35:57am

Intelligence on "the tiger" romping with bodyguards

In his memoirs "Red Horizons," Pacepa relates a conversation in 1978 with Constantin Munteaunu, a general assigned to teach Arafat and the PLO techniques to deceive the West into granting the organization recognition.

"I just called the microphone monitoring center to ask about the 'Fedayee,'" Arafat's code name, explained Munteaunu. "After the meeting with the Comrade, he went directly to the guest house and had dinner. At this very moment, the 'Fedayee' is in his bedroom making love to his bodyguard. The one I knew was his latest lover. He's playing tiger again. The officer monitoring his microphones connected me live with the bedroom, and the squawling almost broke my eardrums. Arafat was roaring like a tiger, and his lover yelping like a hyena."

/squeal like a pig yelp like a hyena

243 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:36:00am

I see this as a pulicity stunt for Hamas to gather support.

Alerts of Israeli death rays from outer space carrying HIV will soon be circulating through Gaza and the West Bank as well as in France.

Zombie - we are due for more Cana type pics of AIDS suffering palis. Keep your photoshop open.


/NOT sarc

244 Joel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:36:41am

re: #242 Killian Bundy

That must sound worse then "squealing like a pig."

245 saywhat?  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:36:44am

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And for those who forgot


From your link you find this one . . .the beginning trail to the medical report:
Arafat's nephew goes to Paris to pick up medical report

246 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:36:44am

Before Arafat died I too thought the lesions of his face were AIDS like. Tiger...gross and funny at the same time.

247 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:37:13am

re: #234 JammieWearingFool

Corzine is withholding 'em because of the ongoing investigations into his relationship with Katz.

248 jcm  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:37:59am

re: #205 Ben Hur

[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

Kinda close range for that thing, looks to be around 100m. Think I'd like about 250m to target, bloody thing has an effective range of 1830m.

249 Highrise  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:38:04am

re: #230 Sharmuta

He always looked evil to me.

Yep yep..all those evil dictators have the same eye look. It always befuddles me how others don't see it. Maybe it is because those people don't believe in evil. Of course my brother is a sociopath so I got to see what the *empty soul evil* type looked from an early age. It isn't pretty...it's pretty unforgiving, unmerciful, never apologetic, and solely self centered and no one else exists.

250 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:38:15am
I agree. My long-held theory is that humans have had the HIV virus for centuries, if not millennia. It only reached 'epidemic" level when, shall we say, the social behavior of a certain sub-population changed in the mid-70s.

Which, of course, was all Ronald Reagan's fault.

251 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:38:18am

re: #172 galloping granny


One of the upshots of all that was the discovery that people who are descended from survivors of the Black Plague seem to be immune to HIV.


Saw a PBS documentary on the black death, somthing to to with a gene mutation in survivors that gets past down the genetic chain.

252 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:38:39am

re: #223 Catttt

Wow - sounds a lot like flat honesty from Mr. Jibril. Better late than never. It's always possible he is saying it to move on and get somewhere, as he said.

One little thing I have to say to spoil this somber moment:

Yasser Arafat, who for 40 years had been carrying his gun from one place to another....

How many of you heard this little rhyme in your head when you read that?

This is my weapon and this is my gun.
One is for killing and one is for fun.

I learned that many years ago when they still made soldiers parade around and exhibit both as " This is my rifle (illustrate) and this is my gun (illustrate) this is for fighting (illustrate) and this is for fun (illustrate.) Every GI's worst nightmare in basic training.

253 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:39:38am

re: #237 galloping granny

re: #188 Arashi

re: #172 galloping granny

Wow, that's a lot of interesting info. I'll admit that I've never done that much research on the disease. I'm going off of what they told us back in high school (which I graduated from in '04)...that is to say, AIDS can't be caught through touching an infected person's hand, or through spit, etc. etc.

Descendants of those who survived the Black Plague? So basically anyone who lived through that time in Europe, then, so lots of Caucasians? What are the highest risk races for AIDS?

The highest risk races for AIDS transmission are blacks & latinos, pretty much in that order. Yes, most Black Plague survivors were European - northern & eastern European to be precise about it. No, you cannot get tested to see if you are immune.

What they told you in high school is reasonably correct. You cannot be infected with HIV simply by touching someone. The virus is spread in three ways - unprotected sex (and that includes oral), shared needles and through "exchange of body fluids." The first two are the ones to worry about.

Something they did not tell you in high school: a condom has a 20% or so (depending on brand, some are far worse) failure rate as regards pregnancy even when used properly. The HIV virus is something like 1/1000 or less the size of a sperm.

Ah, so there's a chance that I'm "immune," not that it really matters, since I'm not having sex 'til I'm married anyway (and the man I plan on marrying hasn't had sex, either).

The last fact that you mentioned is another reason I'm waiting. People rely on "birth control" methods entirely too much. There is always a chance of failure with it, and I'd rather not take the risk to "have a little fun" (which is what people "advocating" me to take the plunge tend to use as an excuse).

Amazing advances in medical technology and research...gotta love it. I'm such a nerd for this kind of thing.

254 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:40:44am

Based on Okinawa weather radar from the JMA (using the last 3 hours animation option) the eye probably will pass directly over Okinawa.


Cat 4 based on Dvorak analysis, which, for major (cat 3 and higher cyclones) is based on the temperature differential between the thunderstorm tops in the eye wall, and the eye itself. 87º Celcius temperature differential, per the latest UW-Madison analysis, which is now an hour old, and since then the thunderstorms have cooled at least an additional 8º, so Man-Yi is probably again a Cat 5 Super-Typhoon.


Very strong cyclones will undergo fluctuations in intensity, sometimes due to eye-wall replacement cycles. It looks like Man-Yi just finished one at exactly the wrong time for Okinawa.

255 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:40:50am

re: #237 galloping granny

Something they did not tell you in high school: a condom has a 20% or so.

They told us, but it was the '80s, when safe sex could still be questioned.

I believe the analogy used was that "safe" sex was like playing Russian Roulette with a five-shooter. Ya feel lucky, punk?

256 EE  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:41:03am

Let's ask first of all why the Islamists (Hizballah TV) and Marxists (the PFLP) want to discredit Arafat just at this time. Maybe he did die of AIDS, but why is this brought up just now? Perhaps because there is a power struggle going on.

257 Sabraguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:41:09am

re: #31 the Daily Kos Om Islaam

So on top of a murderous, rebellious, ugly d*ck head, he was a homosexual too?

More likely a pedophile. There's quite a difference!

258 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:41:18am
259 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:41:33am

re: #249 Highrise

Maybe it is because those people don't believe in evil.

Calling Evil "evil" is mean, and it hurts Evil's feelings.

260 wargammer2005  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:41:36am

re: #105 zombie

there was an interesting documentary that tried to blame AIDS on the polio shots that a team of doctors created, using sick chimps.

but i beleive DNA and RNA testing has shown that to not be the case. but it does lead to other questions.

AIDS is here.
that is waht matters.

261 Sponge  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:41:47am
Ah, so there's a chance that I'm "immune," not that it really matters, since I'm not having sex 'til I'm married anyway (and the man I plan on marrying hasn't had sex, either).

The last fact that you mentioned is another reason I'm waiting. People rely on "birth control" methods entirely too much. There is always a chance of failure with it, and I'd rather not take the risk to "have a little fun" (which is what people "advocating" me to take the plunge tend to use as an excuse).

Amazing advances in medical technology and research...gotta love it. I'm such a nerd for this kind of thing.


I do commend you, but good luck with that.

262 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:41:55am

Yargh! Can't help it!

Maybe Arafat was playing dragon

263 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:41:57am

re: #257 Sabraguy
well? mohammed was one to right?

264 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:42:29am

re: #214 new_tommy

Arafat used to have sex with his bodyguards according to Eastern European (I think, specifically, Romanian) intelligence during the 1980's.

Is it in this? It's about Arafat being a KGB agent.

265 RobCon  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:42:49am

This guys is based in Damascus and it is now useful for Baby Assad to let the truth about Arafat come since he is backing Hamas, not Fatah.

266 Tumulus11  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:43:25am

. Perhaps Arafish contracted the virus while frolicking with dolphins.

267 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:43:53am

re: #239 Hard Right

re: #228 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #184 Silhouette


re: #172 galloping granny


One of the upshots of all that was the discovery that people who are descended from survivors of the Black Plague seem to be immune to HIV.


Well, that is one of the most interesting things I have learned today.


Me too, I had no idea!

One of the few timed PBS had interesting, unbiased info.

Yes, they did do a good job with that. There is a lot of interesting information out there about HIV/AIDS but much of it is not all that accessible unless you read scientific studies. Too bad they don't more often do things like this with some of it.

BTW, one of the latest things that I have heard is that there is now some doubt that the Black Plague was actually Yersinia pestis. It will be interesting to see what comes of that.

268 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:44:28am

re: #256 EE

So...you question the timing?

269 WeaselZipper  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:44:32am

re: #121 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #110 WeaselZipper


Arab "boy" love is quite common, so this shouldn't be a surprise.

Interesting, yes! Surprise, no...


Well, I understand pederasty is quite common. But I was under the impression that generally the partner at risk of catching AIDS was the receptive partner, and that only in parts of Africa and Asia, where untreated venereal diseases provide a path through the penis into the blood stream, do males not engaged in receptive homosexual activity have a high risk for contracting AIDS.

You are right, maybe he was a 'catcher' instead of a 'pitcher' on the adult team...

270 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:44:40am

Fun medical fact for the day:

Sjogren's (autoimmune disease) patients which often develops after a person has had a bout of Epstein-Barr (primary infection late) will always test positive for HIV because of bind because of antibody that binds to the P24 protein.

So, if you got Sjogren's, don't panic if they tell you that you have HIV.

271 jcm  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:45:01am

re: #253 Arashi

Ah, so there's a chance that I'm "immune," not that it really matters, since I'm not having sex 'til I'm married anyway (and the man I plan on marrying hasn't had sex, either)

.

And that is as close as a guarantee to not getting HIV as there is.

Should also point out the last time I look at the CDC data, known accidental needle sticks with HIV contamination the infection rate was around 0.03%.

272 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:45:10am

re: #261 Sponge

Ah, so there's a chance that I'm "immune," not that it really matters, since I'm not having sex 'til I'm married anyway (and the man I plan on marrying hasn't had sex, either).The last fact that you mentioned is another reason I'm waiting. People rely on "birth control" methods entirely too much. There is always a chance of failure with it, and I'd rather not take the risk to "have a little fun" (which is what people "advocating" me to take the plunge tend to use as an excuse).

Amazing advances in medical technology and research...gotta love it. I'm such a nerd for this kind of thing.


I do commend you, but good luck with that.

I mean to say that he and I have been together for four and a half years (since my junior year in high school, and his senior year), and he hadn't had sex prior to that, and obviously he hasn't since.

273 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:45:48am
274 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:46:18am

Ooop....try that again.

Fun medical fact for the day:

Sjogren's (autoimmune disease) patients which often develops after a person has had a bout of Epstein-Barr (primary infection late) will always test positive for HIV because of antibody that binds to the P24 protein.

So, if you got Sjogren's, don't panic if they tell you that you have HIV.

275 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:46:24am

I think the simplest solution to the Bulgarian Nurses issue is have Hollywood stage the execution. Make it look they are gunned down on Libyan national television send them back to Bulgaria and case closed. No one reads the Bulgarian papers....

276 Canadian Infidel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:46:45am

re: #193 drk

re: #180 Canadian Infidel

AIDS is un-Islamic and "haram" - therefore any discussion of the subject makes you an apostate - or kufr - or worse ...

204 galloping granny
Some years back I knew medical people who had worked in Saudi. They were pretty much forbidden to even mention certain diagnoses.

Between the lack of discussion about AIDS, lack of sex education including protection, disdain of condoms, sex with children and centuries of marrying cousins lowering resistance to disease, AIDS has to be rampant. It may be un-Islamic but I bet it's still a pretty big issue.

277 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:46:49am

re: #264 MandyManners

Mandy,

Thanks for that info re Arafart and the KGB.

It is no wonder that so many of them want to be homicide bombers, after the proof re Arafart was revealed, though long suspected.

And what else besides AIDS did they find, I wonder?

278 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:47:21am

re: #274 goodbye_natalie

Ooop....try that again.

Fun medical fact for the day:

Sjogren's (autoimmune disease) patients which often develops after a person has had a bout of Epstein-Barr (primary infection late) will always test positive for HIV because of antibody that binds to the P24 protein.

So, if you got Sjogren's, don't panic if they tell you that you have HIV.

Ironically, that's somewhat relevant to me, in that I was recently given a diagnosis of "undifferentiated connective tissue disease," so I could actually have that, or another autoimmune disease like it. LOL.

279 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:47:44am

How you doing Buzzsaw?

I did a mini-thesis on HIV/AIDS last semester during pre-med. Don't agree with some of the information posted from above but I signed a pact with my good angel not to argue on LGF.

280 Buck  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:49:14am

re: #279 goodbye_natalie

How you doing Buzzsaw?

I did a mini-thesis on HIV/AIDS last semester during pre-med. Don't agree with some of the information posted from above but I signed a pact with my good angel not to argue on LGF.

Well just giving your opinion is NOT arguing.

281 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:49:32am

re: #279 goodbye_natalie

I did a mini-thesis on HIV/AIDS last semester during pre-med. Don't agree with some of the information posted from above but I signed a pact with my good angel not to argue on LGF.

What's your opinion of Peter Duesberg?

282 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:50:07am

re: #264 MandyManners

It makes me sick when I read that and see how revered he still is by the left.

spit

283 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:50:21am

Who, by the way, I've met.

Whatever you think -- he's an extremely intelligent man.

284 Canadian Infidel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:50:36am

re: #279 goodbye_natalie

Sharing knowledge is always good for all. If you're factually correcting us, that's not arguing. Please share.

285 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:50:43am
286 Maine's Michael  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:50:47am

Those dumb Israelis had to use AIDS to kill Arafat.

They didn't factor in the fact that it would take years to kill him, and during the latter stages, the AIDS dementia (he was obviously demented and also suffering from a motor disorder) made him impervious to reason, resulting in additional Israeli deaths as he refused to reign in his murder squads.

Here's to hoping Haniyeh, Zahar, and the rest of the monsters get the Yassin Rx.

287 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:51:03am

re: #284 Canadian Infidel

Indeed. It's always good to hear more.

288 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:51:33am

Zombie,

Isn't he the professor who contests the current research? Googling now...

Yes, he is. I can't really state an opinion because I don't know enough about what he is contesting.

289 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:51:33am

re: #279 goodbye_natalie

Oh argue, just be civil.

290 insanity police  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:52:38am

Who knew the A in Arafat stood fair AIDS?

Don't forget to visit the new blog focusing on anti-semitism and anti-zionism on college campuses: Anti-Racist Blog

291 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:52:51am

Video: Three arrested after disrupting Hindu prayer in Senate

Classy: “Lord Jesus, forgive us, father, for allowing the prayer of the wicked, which is an abomination in your sight.” There’s no report of them being linked to any organization but the AFA encouraged its members earlier this week to e-mail Congress and express their disappointment. Money quote:

Barton says given the fact that Hindus are a tiny constituency of the American public, he questions the motivation of Senate leaders. “This is not a religion that has produced great things in the world,” he observes.

Anyone want to defend this?

292 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:53:10am

re: #258 buzzsawmonkey

re: #237 galloping granny

What they told you in high school is reasonably correct. You cannot be infected with HIV simply by touching someone. The virus is spread in three ways - unprotected sex (and that includes oral), shared needles and through "exchange of body fluids." The first two are the ones to worry about.

I remember reading some time back that there was no authenticated case of AIDS transmission via oral sex. Whether or not that is, or was, true I do not know; I always wondered how such a statement could itself be verified.

There are absolutely authenticated cases of transmission of gonorrhea and syphilis through oral sex. And of course herpes and a couple of other nasty things.

In point of fact, the source of most cases of HIV is never determined, mostly because you can have HIV for quite some long time and not know about it. In men the initial presentation of infection is much like the flu. You might have a rash on your lower extremeties - and you might not.

In women the first symptoms are more likely to be repeated yeast infections without a valid reason. So, more than one yeast infection in a 12 month period - not nursing, not pregnant and not having just finished a course of high powered antibiotics. (The TV commercials don't tell you about that do they? Makes me furious!)

293 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:53:17am

re: #274 goodbye_natalie

Ooop....try that again.

Fun medical fact for the day:

Sjogren's (autoimmune disease) patients which often develops after a person has had a bout of Epstein-Barr (primary infection late) will always test positive for HIV because of antibody that binds to the P24 protein.

So, if you got Sjogren's, don't panic if they tell you that you have HIV.

Hi Natalie! I have Sjogren's disease. Part of my Lupus.

294 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:53:23am

re: #71 Terp Mole

the same [bigoted word]s who armed, based, trained, financed and (yes) directed decades of bloody IRA bombing campaigns.

Terp Mole what do you source for the "(yes) directed" quote? Is it Ed Moloney's 'Secret History of the IRA'?

Just wondering...

295 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:53:45am

re: #277 NY Nana


And what else besides AIDS did they find, I wonder?


The 12th imam buried up his backside.


I can't confirm that report.

296 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:53:51am

re: #276 Canadian Infidel

I guess their "logic" is if you don't talk about it, it doesn't exist...

"pay no attention to that Karposi's sarcoma errr birthmark on habib's leg...why yes! It's halal...how dare you insult my family!"

297 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:54:24am

re: #291 Killgore Trout

That makes me sick. I'm Christian, but I'm not going to do something like that. Geez...

298 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:55:01am

re: #293 mama winger

re: #274 goodbye_natalie

Ooop....try that again.

Fun medical fact for the day:

Sjogren's (autoimmune disease) patients which often develops after a person has had a bout of Epstein-Barr (primary infection late) will always test positive for HIV because of antibody that binds to the P24 protein.

So, if you got Sjogren's, don't panic if they tell you that you have HIV.

Hi Natalie! I have Sjogren's disease. Part of my Lupus.

Oh you poor dear. Lupus sucks. =|

299 lefty201  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:55:37am

we shouldn't gloat over this mans death by aids...AIDS is a horrible way to ....... wait ....... screw this..... that man deserved everything he got, and I hope he gets more of it in the hell that he went to.

300 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:55:56am

re: #297 Arashi

Give it time. Somebody's bound to defend it.

301 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:56:26am

re: #289 David E

re: #279 goodbye_natalie

Oh argue, just be civil.

Anybody hear what the Pope said the other day?

/(spins quickly in chair and dives out the window)

302 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:56:27am

re: #279 goodbye_natalie

why the heck not? a few [delete]s are good for the psyche!

303 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:56:40am

re: #298 Arashi

Oh you poor dear. Lupus sucks. =|

Indeed, it does. You learn to live around it though.

304 Canadian Infidel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:56:54am

re: #287 Arashi

I haven't seen you post much and just checked your profile. You like anything Japanese related. Check out this from HotAir. Japanese-Tetris. It made me laugh.

Nice to meet you, by the way.

305 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:57:00am

Okay, for the sake of my arteries, I'll "argue."

The current theory, unless something has changed dramatically in the last six months, is that HIV-2 (most common to African heterosexual contraction) is very closely related to SIV, the simian immune virus, found in sooty mangabeys. In fact, it's almost an identical match genetically.

How it is passed from species to different species is still up for debate but since all HIV contraction is thru bodily fluid of some type, well...I'll leave it up to your imagination.

HIV is a very fragile virus and not easily contracted. Otherwise, we'd all have it by now.

306 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:57:13am

Well, looks like I picked the right week to start margin trading.

/more fun by an order of magnitude

307 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:57:19am

re: #300 Killgore Trout

re: #297 Arashi

Give it time. Somebody's bound to defend it.

Even if your religion finds it an abomination, you can't deny the prayer to somebody in this country as defined by the Constitution/Bill of Rights. There is no excuse, no defense. You can disagree, but you can't deny them their right.

308 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:57:35am

re: #276 Canadian Infidel

re: #193 drk

re: #180 Canadian Infidel

AIDS is un-Islamic and "haram" - therefore any discussion of the subject makes you an apostate - or kufr - or worse ...

204 galloping granny
Some years back I knew medical people who had worked in Saudi. They were pretty much forbidden to even mention certain diagnoses.

Between the lack of discussion about AIDS, lack of sex education including protection, disdain of condoms, sex with children and centuries of marrying cousins lowering resistance to disease, AIDS has to be rampant. It may be un-Islamic but I bet it's still a pretty big issue.

You have forgotten one of the primary problems. Multiple wives and temporary marriages. So, you're a businessman off on a trip, marry a temporary wife while you're away from home, bring HIV home to all 4 of your legal wives, go off on another business trip and give it to the new temp. . . . . . .

309 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:57:55am
I did a mini-thesis on HIV/AIDS last semester during pre-med. Don't agree with some of the information posted from above but I signed a pact with my good angel not to argue on LGF.

Why not? It's a fascinating discussion, share your opinions. Nobody's going top bite your head off.

I recently read a fascinating article in Time magazine about a prostitute Zambia who has been HIV positive for 12 years. Without any treatments of any kind the virus has remained in check.

They suspect that she is one of thousands in that country alone who have built up a natural resistance to the virus.

310 wargammer2005  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:58:40am

re: #279 goodbye_natalie

care to enlighten us, please?

i'm not going to argue, i want info and i want to correct my views, if wrong.

links to info if you got them, please.

311 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:58:47am

re: #277 NY Nana

re: #264 MandyManners

Mandy,

Thanks for that info re Arafart and the KGB.

It is no wonder that so many of them want to be homicide bombers, after the proof re Arafart was revealed, though long suspected.

And what else besides AIDS did they find, I wonder?

A very dark heart.

312 tradewind  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:58:58am

I am totally stunned.
Not that he had AIDS.... that was fairly apparent from his symptoms and the course of his disease.... but that they actually reported that a Muslim died of AIDS......
Fatwas will be flying, bet'cha.
Meanwhile, how's Suha doing?
Bet Hill's not thrilled about this.......

313 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:59:25am

re: #291 Killgore Trout

Video: Three arrested after disrupting Hindu prayer in Senate


Classy: “Lord Jesus, forgive us, father, for allowing the prayer of the wicked, which is an abomination in your sight.” There’s no report of them being linked to any organization but the AFA encouraged its members earlier this week to e-mail Congress and express their disappointment. Money quote:
Barton says given the fact that Hindus are a tiny constituency of the American public, he questions the motivation of Senate leaders. “This is not a religion that has produced great things in the world,” he observes.

Anyone want to defend this?

How long before CAIR is using this as an example of Christian terrorism

314 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:59:37am

re: #303 mama winger

re: #298 Arashi

Oh you poor dear. Lupus sucks. =|

Indeed, it does. You learn to live around it though.

I suppose so. I was just diagnosed with an undifferentiated connective tissue disease, so I can (somewhat) relate. *hugs*

re: #304 Canadian Infidel

I post here and there. I'm trying to become more active on LGF. I always read the articles and such, though, even if I don't comment on them. And let's take a look at that tetris...Ah! I've seen that before. Kills me everytime. *giggles* Japanese game shows are fun to watch.

315 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:59:55am
316 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 11:59:56am

re: #291 Killgore Trout

Nope. They sound like idiots.

317 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:00:32pm

re: #305 goodbye_natalie

Sooty Mangabeys ?

Maybe it's the 'tail up' thing.

318 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:00:48pm

re: #282 bulwrk

re: #264 MandyManners

It makes me sick when I read that and see how revered he still is by the left.

spit

I got it from someone here.

What's really interesting is Carter's acceptance and praise of Ceucscu (sp?). That bastard never met a dictator he didn't love.

319 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:01:29pm

re: #291 Killgore Trout

Video: Three arrested after disrupting Hindu prayer in Senate


Classy: “Lord Jesus, forgive us, father, for allowing the prayer of the wicked, which is an abomination in your sight.” There’s no report of them being linked to any organization but the AFA encouraged its members earlier this week to e-mail Congress and express their disappointment. Money quote:
Barton says given the fact that Hindus are a tiny constituency of the American public, he questions the motivation of Senate leaders. “This is not a religion that has produced great things in the world,” he observes.

Anyone want to defend this?

not even close!These boneheads are perverting the Scripture that states a believer should confront a wayward believer in private, then in public if the wayward one does not desist, but that does not apply to non-believers, which all Christians are supposed to evangelize. WWJD? He'd probably twack em on the back of the head and go, "you numbskulls How many souls do you think you saved with that idiotic display!?"

320 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:01:49pm

I'm still wondering how they'll "confirm" this, though, or try to prove it...grab his corpse and test it again? Steal his medical records? Either one doesn't seem very viable or moral to me. =|

I'm out on this issue. That's enough of discussing Arafat's sex life for my entire life, thankee.

321 Highrise  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:01:57pm

re: #291 Killgore Trout

You wouldn't be trying to start a Christian bashing session would you?

First, any Christian I know would not act like that. Personally, I would have stepped out quietly. I would not have participated in the prayer. Perhaps the secular body should not be praying formally if they are going to bring in various belief systems in.

322 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:03:15pm

I won't defend it, but I'm sure it will get more coverage than Darfur.

323 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:03:33pm

re: #305 goodbye_natalie

Okay, for the sake of my arteries, I'll "argue."

The current theory, unless something has changed dramatically in the last six months, is that HIV-2 (most common to African heterosexual contraction) is very closely related to SIV, the simian immune virus, found in sooty mangabeys. In fact, it's almost an identical match genetically.

How it is passed from species to different species is still up for debate but since all HIV contraction is thru bodily fluid of some type, well...I'll leave it up to your imagination.

HIV is a very fragile virus and not easily contracted. Otherwise, we'd all have it by now.

Are they back to this one again? Some scientists dispute that HIV-2 even exists as an independent strain. One thing I learned doing the whole thesis thing (several actually, long story, bad semester had to do a thesis and a bunch of papers so I used HIV research for the whole mess) is that the only certain thing today about HIV is that nothing is certain.

324 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:03:34pm

re: #314 Arashi

Connective tissue diseases suck suck suck. All of them Differentiated or not. :)

Actually, I think Lupus is just another term for a big pot of autoimmune connective tissue disease. They don't know what's going on half the time.

/ no offense to the medical profession - just what's true


Don't get scared. It's overwhelming at first and you may feel like it is too much for you to handle. But you will learn - and you can live a good life with proper managment.

325 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:03:37pm

Let's see. More fun facts:

HIV-1 (predominantly gay and intravenous drug use) is the more aggressive of the two strains so gays get screwed two ways (no pun intended).

The latency period for HIV is generally 5-15 years with the waiting test period generally recommended 3-6 months, though new tests have knocked that down to as much as two weeks after exposure. Granny could probably elaborate better than me on the testing because I'll bet she does that for a living.

However, the new tests are very expensive and the ELISA test with confirmation from the Western Blot is still the recommended/common procedure.

HIV can be passed from mother to child but in most cases, a cocktail of anti-virals usually prevents fetal exposure.

326 Colonel Panik  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:03:56pm

Nobody's referenced the "Team America" AIDS song yet? Lizards, you're lettin' me down!

"He died of AIIIIIIDS."

327 wargammer2005  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:04:08pm

re: #305 goodbye_natalie

but the same can be said of Ebloa

and we almost got killed by that here a number of years ago, luckily the virus that came here only liked monkeys, several people had anti-bodies to it in their blood.

Zombie's idea of butchering a dead animal and being contaminated sounds possible, more possible than sex with a chimp.

328 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:04:43pm

re: #305 goodbye_natalie


I am not sure you would get any arguements with that. I think the question is when it got into the human population, 1970's or several thousand years ago.

329 paxnhymn  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:05:09pm

re: #324 mama winger

and that's why they call it, Medical PRACTICE!


:-D

330 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:05:22pm

re: #318 MandyManners


What's really interesting is Carter's acceptance and praise of Ceucscu (sp?). That bastard never met a dictator he didn't love.


Don't get me started on the peanut farmer,the last Carter thread resulted in my only deletion.

lol

331 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:06:08pm
332 wargammer2005  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:06:14pm

re: #330 bulwrk

did you see the thread on the USS Jimmy Carter?

(look at the big duckie!)

333 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:07:12pm

re: #331 buzzsawmonkey

There's an unprotected sex lobby? Who knew? :)

334 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:07:49pm

re: #333 mama winger

yeah sure they were supposed to have the internet suffix of .xxx

335 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:07:51pm

re: #330 bulwrk


Gee, I must not be trying hard enough, I have never been deleted, I even asked nicely, which might have been the problem and Charles didn't do it.

336 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:07:57pm

Wargammer,

Most of my information was derived from the CDC and or related medical issues from AMA. I only contest that I sufficiently plagiarized their information as to the current theory of origin.

337 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:08:33pm

re: #321 Highrise


You wouldn't be trying to start a Christian bashing session would you?

Nope, just curious.

338 tradewind  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:09:21pm
Sjogren's (autoimmune disease) patients which often develops after a person has had a bout of Epstein-Barr (primary infection late) will always test positive for HIV because of antibody that binds to the P24 protein.


Re #298,

Not exactly.... persons with Sjogren's may test positive on an initial screening, but so do persons with the flu, measles, many forms of cancer, other autoimmune disorders, and recent vaccination history. The Western blot test, which is definitive and always follows a positive test , is the gold standard and effectively eliminates Sjogrens' and other disorders as HIV infected.

339 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:09:21pm
340 Highrise  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:09:56pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

Yeah right. I see how it's totally connected to the convo at hand. My bad.

341 BIG  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:10:02pm

re: #92 Dirk Diggler

The theory being that the most viable way for it to have been transmitted from apes to humans is not through eating but through sex, and since a chimp obviously wouldn't stand for sex with a human while alive, and since the virus can only survive a short time in a dead body, the logical scenario is that some African killed a chimp (probably for food), but after killing it decided to "have a go" with the carcass.

Great. Yesterday it was dolphin frottage and today it's primate necrophilia. Can we please have a thread that doesn't delve into bestiality.

Then how are we going to discuss Islamics?

342 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:10:42pm

Mama,

You have lupus? No wonder you're so tough. That is one insidious disease. What most people don't know that lupus and RA are the most systemic of all autoimmune diseases.

You're a neat lady. Most people I know that have lupus can don't work. Is it a constant struggle?

343 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:10:58pm

NIE: al-Qaeda Regrouped, Stronger In Pakistan

the threat to and from Europe is troubling.

Several European countries—among them Britain, Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands—are also highlighted in the threat assessment partly because they have arrangements with the Pakistani government that allow their citizens easier access to Pakistan than others, according to the counterterrorism official.

This is more troubling because all four are part of the U.S. visa waiver program, and their citizens can enter the United States without additional security scrutiny, the official said.

It must be recognized that, in the course of this long war, there will be no final defeat of al-Qaeda without major unforgiving ground operations within Pakistan.

“Sooner or later you have to quit permitting them to have a safe haven” along the Afghan-Pakistani border, he [CIA director of analysis John Kringen] told the House committee. “At the end of the day, when we have had success, it is when you’ve been able to get them worried about who was informing on them, get them worried about who was coming after them.”

And that, “sooner or later,” will most probably fall by default to the United States to execute, quite probably after the Pakistani government and its military are taken over by the Islamists within or aligned with the Taliban-al-Qaeda alliance that already dominates a significant percentage of Pakistani territory.

Not good news.

344 grumpy old codger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:11:03pm

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey
Well, that does it!

I'm taking my business, in the future, to the Dromedary Camel Halal Internet Cafe and Kebab Shoppe! Two casbahs down, on the right.

345 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:11:08pm

re: #291 Killgore Trout

Video: Three arrested after disrupting Hindu prayer in Senate


Classy: “Lord Jesus, forgive us, father, for allowing the prayer of the wicked, which is an abomination in your sight.” There’s no report of them being linked to any organization but the AFA encouraged its members earlier this week to e-mail Congress and express their disappointment. Money quote:
Barton says given the fact that Hindus are a tiny constituency of the American public, he questions the motivation of Senate leaders. “This is not a religion that has produced great things in the world,” he observes.

Anyone want to defend this?

Well, other than the Sri Lankan trouble sbetween Hindus and Buddhists, the Hindus are generally peaceful people. I do recall heairng some fundie Hindus burned alive a Christian missionary a few years back, but when you are dealing with a billion people, one bad apple is bound to pop up. Of course, the Hindus have issued with Muslims, but then, who doesn't.

I suspect most of the Bollywood hotties are Hindu. Parminder Nagra, from the TV show ER (don't watch anymore, off the rails with BDS), is Sikh, but that is close enough.

346 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:12:15pm

re: #336 goodbye_natalie

Wargammer,

Most of my information was derived from the CDC and or related medical issues from AMA. I only contest that I sufficiently plagiarized their information as to the current theory of origin.


well here is what is on the CDC site today as to origin

[Link: www.cdc.gov...]

347 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:12:19pm
348 Malaprop Man  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:13:02pm

re: #333 mama winger


there's just a lobby? I thought there would at least be a room or two..

349 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:13:15pm

re: #330 bulwrk

re: #318 MandyManners


What's really interesting is Carter's acceptance and praise of Ceucscu (sp?). That bastard never met a dictator he didn't love.


Don't get me started on the peanut farmer,the last Carter thread resulted in my only deletion.

Ditto. My one and only. What is it about that guy....makes me [delete]

350 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:14:02pm

re: #340 Highrise

Quite a few people seem interested in it.

351 easy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:14:25pm

Black Death also his Asia hard. Middle east as well.

Estimates of the demographic impact of the plague in Asia are based on both population figures during this time and estimates of the disease's toll on population centers. The initial outbreak of plague in the Chinese province of Hubei in 1334 claimed up to ninety percent of the population, an estimated five million people. During 1353–54, outbreaks in eight distinct areas throughout the Mongol/Chinese empires may have possibly caused the death of two-thirds of China's population, often yielding an estimate of twenty-five million deaths. Japan had no outbreak of plague.[citation needed]

Source considered.

352 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:14:35pm

re: #342 goodbye_natalie

Mama,

You have lupus? No wonder you're so tough. That is one insidious disease. What most people don't know that lupus and RA are the most systemic of all autoimmune diseases.

You're a neat lady. Most people I know that have lupus can don't work. Is it a constant struggle?

What kind words, natalie. thank you very much. :)

It IS a struggle. I was diagnosed in '79 when I was pregnant with my first child (common). After her birth I was sick and bedridden on and off for about 5 years. I then was in remission for a while and was able to conceive Little Winger. After his birth again I was incapacitated until about 7 years ago. I have been in and out of remission since. My vet lets me work part time, according to how I am feeling. It works our really well.

353 ShyGuy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:15:04pm

T'was booty that killed the beast!

354 grumpy old codger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:15:11pm

re: #201 kansas
Won't be up for much else either.

355 Darwin Akbar  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:15:18pm

I once heard a story about a new recruit to Arafat's compound when it was under siege from the IDF.

The new man was scared, and frightened, so Arafat went over to comfort him.
"It's not so bad here," Arafat said. "Do you like movies?"

"Yes, I like movies ," the new recruit said.
"Well," said Arafat, "you'll like Mondays, because Monday is movie night. Do you like hummos?"

"Yes, I like hummos," the new man said.
"Well," said Arafat, "you'll like Tuesdays, because Tuesday we have all the hummos we can eat. Do you like soccer?"

"Yes, I like soccer," the new man said.
"Well," said Arafat, "you'll like Wednesdays, because on Wednesday we play soccer. But I must ask you, are you a homosexual?"

"No," said the new man.
"Well," said Arafat, "you're not going to like Thursdays."

356 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:15:33pm
357 kulthur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:15:57pm

The world would be improved geometrically if CNN only put this on its main page and the NYTimes on its.

But no.

Goddamn is the media an annoyance. I say we tear it down and start again.

358 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:16:09pm

re: #349 MrMom

You mean other than he's a demented, fatuous old fart and loves marxists dictators who hate America?

359 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:16:29pm

re: #351 easy

Black Death also his Asia hard. Middle east as well.


Estimates of the demographic impact of the plague in Asia are based on both population figures during this time and estimates of the disease's toll on population centers. The initial outbreak of plague in the Chinese province of Hubei in 1334 claimed up to ninety percent of the population, an estimated five million people. During 1353–54, outbreaks in eight distinct areas throughout the Mongol/Chinese empires may have possibly caused the death of two-thirds of China's population, often yielding an estimate of twenty-five million deaths. Japan had no outbreak of plague.[citation needed]

HMMMMMM

SARS in the 14th century.......

360 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:16:34pm

Goodbye Natalie -

This may interest you. My paternal AND my maternal grandmother died of Lupus. Along with my paternal aunt. A second cousin also has it. Very familial.

361 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:17:24pm

re: #352 mama winger

Your vet....LOL

362 Canadian Infidel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:17:37pm

308 galloping granny

Good point regarding the temporary marriages and carrying home diseases to the wives. I wouldn't really call it a problem though. In this fight, I'll take whatever allies we can get.

363 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:18:03pm

Test post.

364 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:18:04pm

re: #361 David E

LOL! Not quite the way I meant it ! Ha!

365 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:18:13pm
366 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:18:27pm

Test post Number two

367 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:18:50pm

re: #359 amrilusaguy

re: #351 easy


Black Death also his Asia hard. Middle east as well.

Estimates of the demographic impact of the plague in Asia are based on both population figures during this time and estimates of the disease's toll on population centers. The initial outbreak of plague in the Chinese province of Hubei in 1334 claimed up to ninety percent of the population, an estimated five million people. During 1353–54, outbreaks in eight distinct areas throughout the Mongol/Chinese empires may have possibly caused the death of two-thirds of China's population, often yielding an estimate of twenty-five million deaths. Japan had no outbreak of plague.[citation needed]
HMMMMMM

SARS in the 14th century.......

I remember reading about The Black Death, or perhaps I saw it, that Japan closed it's ports when the rumors of the plague hit. I believe that there was also a city in Italy that did the same and had no cases of the Plague.

Wasn't the Plague brought to Europe by the French?

368 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:18:59pm

OT- Yurpain Community weather model, second day in a row, while keeping Atlantic dull, smacks San Jose de los Cabos y Cabo San Lucas with a weekend after next.

I know for 2 days straight the Canadian Global has been predicting a tropical storm or hurricane hitting Florida somewhere between JAX and MIA, but the Canadian has a known tendency to be too aggressive developing tropical cyclones, so if I had to guess, Baja California has a better chance of a big storm in the next 10 days then Florida does.

369 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:19:13pm

DOW JONES over 13,800

370 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:19:27pm

I am testing a new headset with voice recognition software . Very cool ! Please overlook any errors !

371 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:19:38pm

#338 tradewinds,

Not exactly.... persons with Sjogren's may test positive on an initial screening, but so do persons with the flu, measles, many forms of cancer, other autoimmune disorders, and recent vaccination history. The Western blot test, which is definitive and always follows a positive test , is the gold standard and effectively eliminates Sjogrens' and other disorders as HIV infected.

Actually, there is a great deal of disagreement with respect to the Western blot in the medical community as the gold standard. And looking at my Immunbiology text book (6th Edition) Charles Janeway would not agree with that statement.

372 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:19:40pm

re: #366 christheprofessor

Did two go better than one ?

:)

373 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:19:44pm

re: #357 kulthur

the media an annoyance. I say we tear it down and start again.

That's what's happening.

The newspapers and networks are bleeding consumers and the blogs are growing.

374 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:19:52pm

This is way cool !

375 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:20:10pm

re: #372 mama winger

Two for the price of one actually

376 Mentat  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:20:11pm

If Mohammed was alive today, he probably would of died of AIDS too!

Bill Clinton is/was extremely lucky that he hasn't caught himself a serious STD and given it to Hillary.

Oh, well. Male genetic programming regarding the urge to reproduce is so compelling that it is a wonder that we (humanity in general) have as few problems with it as we do.

377 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:20:30pm

re: #364 mama winger

By the way, I know of several people who have lupus (one of which has genital herpes on top). They are all female. Does mostly/ always only effect women?

378 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:21:01pm

re: #331 buzzsawmonkey

re: #292 galloping granny

I wasn't questioning the oral transmission of syphilis or gonorrhea. The claim in the article, however, was that HIV was actually harder to contract than either of these, and that oral transmission was therefore unproven.

Mind you, this seemed to me at the time to be a questionable statement; if syphilis or gonorrhea bacilli can survive and penetrate the protective enzymes in the mouth, a virus, being smaller and simpler, should surely be able to--and even a cut in the mouth lining too minuscule to see is a 12-lane highway to a virus. I found myself wondering as I read the material whether there was actually any foundation to it, or whether it was simply bad science being purveyed by the unprotected sex lobby.

I take it you would consider it the latter.

I absolutely would consider it just bad science. Sometimes in medicine you have to draw conclusions from known data without 100% proof positive. Since we already know that many bacteria and at least one virus (herpes) can be transmitted via oral sex, then it would be a ridiculous splitting of hairs to say "well, we can't PROVE that HIV gets transmitted that way because there are no know cases where it has been transmitted that way."

That is not quite correct. There are several known cases of oral HIV transmission - by way of a dentist. The case happened in the late 80's or early 90's down in Florida. The dentist in question was himself infected with HIV. I don't recall every one of the particulars of the case off the top of my head, but somehow he contaminated his dental tools, failed to sterilize them adequately and then used them to work on several patients. I'm not sure anyone ever determined exactly how many patients he infected, but there were at least 3 or 4 that he was proven to have infected. Actually a very interesting case.

BTW, goodbye_natalie did not really explain that waiting test period well. That does not mean that if you think you have been exposed to HIV that you should wait 3- 6 months. You should have a baseline test immediately (This one is to prove that you are not already infected.) and then repeat it in 3-6 months. (This one is to show whether you picked up the virus.) One of the reasons that it is important to do this is because transmission of HIV is a criminal offense in most states. More than once people have been prosecuted and jailed for attempted murder for knowingly transmitting HIV. If you are pretty positive that you have been exposed, then most recommend you should test every 6 months for at least 5 years.

Something else to remember: a negative HIV test means ONLY that no HIV was detected on the day that the test was run. It does not mean that you did not go out HIV that night celebrating the results.

RE the mother to child transmission, this is one of the reasons that pregnant women in the US are all tested for HIV. Note that HIV can also be transmitted by breastfeeding.

379 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:21:11pm

so far so good . Seems to have a bit of a problem with punctuation , though .

380 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:21:14pm

re: #367 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Wasn't the Plague brought to Europe by the French?

I thought the French were brought to Europe by the Plague.

381 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:21:20pm

re: #374 christheprofessor


So, I could install this software and use it for, say, writing my novel?

Do you have to tell it the punctuation you want to use, or tell it to paragraph break?

382 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:21:26pm

re: #355 Darwin Akbar

LOL!

383 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:21:48pm

re: #367 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


It can to Europe via Marsailles, but it could have been a ship from any maritime country at the time.

384 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:22:23pm

re: #358 David E

re: #349 MrMom

You mean other than he's a demented, fatuous old fart and loves marxists dictators who hate America?

Yes, and other than he's a hippocritical twit on the payroll of our enemies.
Other than that.........

385 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:22:25pm

re: #377 David E

re: #364 mama winger

By the way, I know of several people who have lupus (one of which has genital herpes on top). They are all female. Does mostly/ always only effect women?

About 90% of Lupus patients are women. Although when men get it, it seems as if it has a more dire outlook.

386 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:22:31pm

re: #369 Poitiers-Lepanto

I was just looking at that. It's a whopper of a day on the market.

387 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:22:46pm

I am definitely going to be using this to do my lecture notes . In Microsoft word , it doesn't put a blank space between the word in and the punctuation . I myself struck through in and replaced it with a and in the prior sentence .

388 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:22:50pm

re: #336 goodbye_natalie

Wargammer,

Most of my information was derived from the CDC and or related medical issues from AMA. I only contest that I sufficiently plagiarized their information as to the current theory of origin.

You got off EASY g_n! No wading through databases? Photocopying reams of medical studies? Tracking down all the referrals and references? Sheesh :)

389 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:22:59pm

re: #366 christheprofessor

Test post Number two

Your testes appear fine.

390 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:23:01pm

Come to think of it in 1343 I am not sure that Marsailles was French.

391 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:23:04pm

Mama,

One thing I do remember about autoimmune diseases. For the most part, women seem to be far more susceptible. My biochemistry/immunology professor had come to the conclusion that many autoimmune diseases were hormonal related (especially post-menopausal).

392 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:23:30pm

re: #381 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'm using it now . I tell it what punctuation I want . For example, I just told it to put the , there .

393 easy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:24:22pm

#343 Kenneth
From your link:

quite probably after the Pakistani government and its military are taken over by the Islamists within or aligned with the Taliban-al-Qaeda alliance


I've read quite a few analysis suggesting that this is unlikely. Haven't saved them unfornatuely.

But I like this quote, wish I could remember who posted it:

“It is a sad truth that people today don't read much history; but the entire 20th century can be summed as follows: extremist ideology in nation states enables fanatic maniacs to come to power and then lots of people die until the US does something about it.”
394 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:24:29pm

re: #390 David E

Come to think of it in 1343 I am not sure that Marsailles was French.

I know that Calais was held by the English, so it's possible that Marsailles was held by some other country.

Must google this.

395 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:24:37pm

re: #392 christheprofessor

so you say "comma" when you want a comma? If so, how do you get it to write the word "comma"?

396 arminiusteuton  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:24:44pm

What are the chances? I've had this damn song stuck in my head for the last 10 minutes and then ironically enough this is the first story I see...: http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/teamamericaworldpol ice/everyonehasaids.htm

397 Carolyn  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:24:45pm

The Atlantic Monthly ran a story a couple of months ago titled "The Kingdom in the Closet" - very enlightening. Seems as though if you are a "top", there is nothing gay about your sex life. Says in the article that being gay is easier than hetero.

398 Canadian Infidel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:24:56pm

392 christheprofessor

What software are you using, if you don't mind me asking?

399 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:25:00pm

re: #392 christheprofessor

re: #381 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I'm using it now . I tell it what punctuation I want . For example, I just told it to put the , there .


That is so cool. Microsoft?

400 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:25:03pm

re: #389 MrMom

Good one!

re: #392 christheprofessor

Yes , I can tell it to jot down two lines .

I just did It .

401 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:25:04pm

re: #391 goodbye_natalie

Mama,

One thing I do remember about autoimmune diseases. For the most part, women seem to be far more susceptible. My biochemistry/immunology professor had come to the conclusion that many autoimmune diseases were hormonal related (especially post-menopausal).

That would seem reasonable, especially since most cases of Lupus are diagnosed in child-bearing years, often as a result of pregnancy.

402 Darwin Akbar  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:25:08pm

#382 - Aladin Sane..

My pleasure....I love that joke.

403 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:25:19pm

re: #359 amrilusaguy

re: #351 easy

Black Death also his Asia hard. Middle east as well.


Estimates of the demographic impact of the plague in Asia are based on both population figures during this time and estimates of the disease's toll on population centers. The initial outbreak of plague in the Chinese province of Hubei in 1334 claimed up to ninety percent of the population, an estimated five million people. During 1353–54, outbreaks in eight distinct areas throughout the Mongol/Chinese empires may have possibly caused the death of two-thirds of China's population, often yielding an estimate of twenty-five million deaths. Japan had no outbreak of plague.[citation needed]HMMMMMM

SARS in the 14th century.......

Most researchers estimate that the Black Death killed 1/4 to 1/3 of the entire world-wide population.

404 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:25:46pm

re: #395 Aladin Sane

[Manley handshake ]

I don't know I'm just testing it out !

405 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:26:29pm

re: #399 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Yes it's part of the Microsoft operating system . Well maybe not the operating system itself , but it's packaged with it . The only thing I had to do was provided headset .

406 Aladin Sane  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:26:39pm

re: #404 christheprofessor


[manly handshake] back atcha Chris.

You should've seen the fireworks!

407 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:27:03pm

I was just reading a book the other night on the Renaissance. It said that this period was underway much earlier than we usually think, but was interupted and delayed in great part due to the Plague.

408 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:27:27pm

re: #398 Canadian Infidel

Hello . Let me check .

409 Daverbonz  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:28:03pm

Dhimmi Carter must have given it to him. Either him or John Edwards...ha ha

410 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:28:14pm

re: #404 christheprofessor

re: #395 Aladin Sane

[Manley handshake ]

I don't know I'm just testing it out !


That's how all of Arafat's hyena troubles began.

411 Buck  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:28:15pm

re: #397 Carolyn
The Atlantic Online - The Kingdom in the Closet
Sodomy is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia, but gay life flourishes ....

412 Canadian Infidel  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:28:15pm

Here's a video from the CBC a while back. Gay in Iran. I saw only a part of it a while back but it was interesting.

413 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:28:54pm

re: #403 galloping granny

re: #359 amrilusaguy


re: #351 easy

Black Death also his Asia hard. Middle east as well.

Estimates of the demographic impact of the plague in Asia are based on both population figures during this time and estimates of the disease's toll on population centers. The initial outbreak of plague in the Chinese province of Hubei in 1334 claimed up to ninety percent of the population, an estimated five million people. During 1353–54, outbreaks in eight distinct areas throughout the Mongol/Chinese empires may have possibly caused the death of two-thirds of China's population, often yielding an estimate of twenty-five million deaths. Japan had no outbreak of plague.[citation needed]HMMMMMM

SARS in the 14th century.......


Most researchers estimate that the Black Death killed 1/4 to 1/3 of the entire world-wide population.

I remember reading that as well.

Then there was something called The Sweating Sickness, which killed alot of people very suddenly (usually within a few hours of onset to a day after). The disease would strike, kills lots of people, then go away again.

No one knows what caused it, but it's suspected that it may have been similar to the Hanta Virus, given it's symptoms, rapid onset and the fact that it mostly affected those in large cities where the rodent population was often larger than the human population.

414 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:29:03pm

re: #378 galloping granny

I have always wondered why HIV seemed so much more virulent when it first appeared. Infected people seemed to die very, very quickly and the most common opportunistic infections were a little different.

Any thoughts?

415 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:29:05pm

re: #403 galloping granny

Another neat thing i know about the black death

when this got to israel, jews got it less then everyone else

probally because it seems that Jews, because of their faith, are allways washing their hands, before prayer before you eat bread, after you excrete, etc

another reason i guess we jews are witches........

416 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:29:16pm

Now you know why they have boys like pearls as well as the 72 virgins in paradise.

417 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:29:29pm

re: #405 christheprofessor

I'm gettin a headset! I have XP at home.

418 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:29:58pm

re: #398 Canadian Infidel

its called Microsoft English (U.S). v6.1 Recognizer .

419 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:30:23pm

re: #415 amrilusaguy

re: #403 galloping granny

Another neat thing i know about the black death

when this got to israel, jews got it less then everyone else

probally because it seems that Jews, because of their faith, are allways washing their hands, before prayer before you eat bread, after you excrete, etc

another reason i guess we jews are witches........

And they didn't live with pigs and goats in their living rooms.

420 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:30:47pm

re: #376 Mentat

If Mohammed was alive today, he probably would of died of AIDS too!

Bill Clinton is/was extremely lucky that he hasn't caught himself a serious STD and given it to Hillary.

Oh, well. Male genetic programming regarding the urge to reproduce is so compelling that it is a wonder that we (humanity in general) have as few problems with it as we do.

Speaking of urges to reproduce. Science just discovered a food that destroys those 'urges' in women.

Wedding cake.

421 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:30:51pm

Also cleaning for Passover and Yom Kippur.

422 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:30:57pm

re: #419 Ben Hur

well no pigs anyway

423 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:31:11pm

Yet another reason why Old Testament laws make sense .........


I'm just sayin'

424 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:31:16pm

But that's all BS.

The Joos didn't get it cause it was the JOOS who put it in the wells to begin with!

425 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:31:47pm

re: #367 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Wasn't the Plague brought to Europe by the French?

It thought everybody already knew the following fact:

The plague epidemic in Europe was caused by...

...[distant trumpets, thundering hooves]...

...Muslims!

No joke!

Muslim Tatars beseiged a Black Sea stronghold held by the Genoese in 1346. When the Tatar camp started to get Black Death cases (from the fleas on the rats infesting the camp), they responded by engaging in the first known use of a biological weapon:

They began to catapult the corpses of Black Death victims over the walls.

The Genoese started to come down with it too.

The Genoese eventually got in the boats and fled back to Genoa. They (either the humans or the rats/fleas on the ship) brought the plague with them to Europe. It spread from Genoa starting in 1348 to the rest of Europe.

426 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:31:48pm

re: #417 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I need to train it more . Typng now -- all I have to do is say "new paragraph," and it jumps down two lines. you can also say "backspace" and some other commands. Pretty cool , no doubt about it ! I spoke that last sentence .

427 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:32:40pm

Tradewind,

I can't find the link, but here is a link of false positives for anyone interested. This lady doesn't agree with you either about the Western Blot.

WHOSE ANTIBODIES ARE THEY ANYWAY?

But, in perusing web sites, I am getting a variety of opinion. You may be right - Columbia University (pretty good medicine agrees with you).

428 EE  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:32:41pm

oops, this is not the PFLP, this is the PFLP-GC. In the days that the PFLP was led by George Habash, the PFLP was a Marxist organization.

Abbas should get rid of these terrorist militias if he is serious about showing a moderate face. No, I don't mean giving them uniforms, and weapons and ammo and access to training and intelligence, by incorporating them into his "security" services. That would just be empowerment of these terrorists. Abbas, if he is serious about being considered a moderate, should do as the road map requires: "dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure". Dismantle the PFLP-GC.

Look, Mr. Abbas, this guy Ahmed Jibril is trying to get at you by taking away the icon status of Arafat. He knows that the Palis will realize that if Arafat died of AIDS, then the stories about his habits might be true. The only living person who would be harmed by that de-iconization of Arafat would be you. Why are you harboring all of these terrorist gangs?

429 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:32:45pm
'Arafat Died of AIDS'

I wonder how many young boys he shared his disease with?

430 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:32:53pm

re: #425 zombie


Islamaphobe !

431 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:33:02pm

BTW, the Black Sea port city on the Crimea was called Kaffa, where this all happened.

432 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:33:14pm

#380 mama
LOL!

433 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:33:15pm

re: #425 zombie

C'mon! It was the Europeans Americans that spread disease in their imperialistic expansion and subjugation of the third world!

Remember the small pox in the blankets!

Now go and hate yourself!

434 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:33:34pm

re: #423 mama winger

Yet another reason why Old Testament laws make sense .........

Well, the Guy that inspired it also designed the whole planet, our immune system, the way diseases are transmitted, etc. So He'd know best.

;-)

435 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:33:37pm

re: #425 zombie

Crap! I knew that! Now that you reminded me, I remember seeing it on an A&E special or something.

Thanks!

436 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:33:39pm

Four score and seven years ago ...

437 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:34:16pm

re: #376 Mentat

If Mohammed was alive today, he probably would of died of AIDS too!

Bill Clinton is/was extremely lucky that he hasn't caught himself a serious STD and given it to Hillary.

Oh, well. Male genetic programming regarding the urge to reproduce is so compelling that it is a wonder that we (humanity in general) have as few problems with it as we do.

If one accepts the widely reported rumor that Bill Clinton told friends the only reason Chelsea was ever conceived was that Bill had raped Hillary while they were on vacation, or the Dick Morriss comment when Monica-gate broke that of course Bill cheated because Hillary wasn't into men, than the odds of Hillary contracting HIV are miniscule indeed.


I do think, using Occam's razor, that the simplest explanation why Hillary appeared to tolerate Clinton's serial adultery was that she wasn't married to him for love, she was married to him as part of a political arrangement; for Bill, married men do better in politics, for Hillary, politics in the 1970s and 1980s was basically a man's world, and Bill was her ticket to the top of the political power structure.

438 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:34:21pm

I could see where this could be very useful .

439 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:34:22pm

re: #436 christheprofessor

Four score and seven years ago ...


our forefather brought forth on the continent a new nation.....

440 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:34:23pm

re: #433 Ben Hur

re: #425 zombie

C'mon! It was the Europeans Americans that spread disease in their imperialistic expansion and subjugation of the third world!

Remember the small pox in the blankets!

Now go and hate yourself!

Not saying this in a way to hurt the indigenous bingo population, but no way were the indians going to build a canoe and discover Europe.

441 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:34:40pm

re: #436 christheprofessor

I always read your nic as "Christ he Professor."

442 zombie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:34:42pm

re: #383 David E


It can to Europe via Marsailles, but it could have been a ship from any maritime country at the time.

No, it started in Genoa.

443 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:35:25pm

re: #434 Silhouette

re: #423 mama winger

Yet another reason why Old Testament laws make sense .........

Well, the Guy that inspired it also designed the whole planet, our immune system, the way diseases are transmitted, etc. So He'd know best.

;-)

From a strictly practical point of view, all theology aside, can you imagine the problems in this world that might have been erased if people had simply followed the instructions? :)

444 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:35:49pm

re: #440 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #433 Ben Hur


re: #425 zombie

C'mon! It was the Europeans Americans that spread disease in their imperialistic expansion and subjugation of the third world!

Remember the small pox in the blankets!

Now go and hate yourself!


Not saying this in a way to hurt the indigenous bingo population, but no way were the indians going to build a canoe and discover Europe.


Right you are!

445 itellu3times  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:35:59pm

No HIV in the Koran, he must have died of ugly.

446 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:36:17pm

re: #439 amrilusaguy

re: #436 christheprofessor


Four score and seven years ago ...

our forefather brought forth on the continent a new nation.....

conceived in liberty , and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal

447 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:36:19pm

Bingo?

448 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:37:10pm

re: #447 Ben Hur

That is the biggest draw to the local reservation. BINGO NIGHT on the reservation...

449 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:37:30pm

re: #437 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet


BTW- adding on to the Bill claiming to have raped Hillary story- the reason was that Clinton thought children would benefit his political career, and Hillary had no interest in having children.


I have also heard, that Bill did develop the normal love of a father for a daughter, but that Hillary was always a rather cold and distant mother.

450 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:37:34pm

re: #441 Ben Hur

Ben, a lot of lizards have read it as Christ the professor . I'm good but not that good !

451 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:37:35pm

I love Bingo.

452 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:37:44pm

re: #446 christheprofessor

re: #439 amrilusaguy


re: #436 christheprofessor

Four score and seven years ago ...

our forefather brought forth on the continent a new nation.....

conceived in liberty , and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal

now we are engaged in a great civil war

453 SnakeSpit  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:37:48pm

Arafat and friends. Bunky Buck Buddies.

454 Sevoguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:38:07pm

QUEER, VERY QUEER.

Satan: "Yassar, Here are your 72 virgins."

Yassar: "I don't need to stinckin virgins."

Satan: "Then what do you want Yassar."

Yassar: "I want to meet muhammed. What a minute.........YOU AIN'T ALLAH?"

Satan: "No Yassar, I ain't God. Well, not the God of the Jews and Christains anyway. BUT I AM YOUR GOD. Yassar."

Yassar: "But, But. Where's muhammed? I want to be with muhammed."

SATAN: "Where's muhammed you ask." See the fire down below, Yassar. You will now spend eternity with muhammed. That is your reward for killing innocent human life. Thank you Yessar, for being a good soldier of the FALSE PROPHET."

455 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:38:13pm

re: #449 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #437 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet


BTW- adding on to the Bill claiming to have raped Hillary story- the reason was that Clinton thought children would benefit his political career, and Hillary had no interest in having children.


I have also heard, that Bill did develop the normal love of a father for a daughter, but that Hillary was always a rather cold and distant mother.

Oh please...you jest.

456 grumpy old codger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:38:13pm

Would it be PC to refer to all congenital/familial diseases as being cases of the Levi-Strauss Syndrome? That is bad genes. (I know bad pun, but I've heard it frequently from other docs.)

Also, can a child sue his parents for transmission of a congenital/familial disorder, sort of a manufacturing error? Can the silk Pony turn it into a class action suit for other children?

457 Alex F  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:38:44pm

Anyone notice how gaunt and sickly Slick Willy is looking these days...I'm just saying, s'all...

458 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:38:57pm

re: #449 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #437 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet


BTW- adding on to the Bill claiming to have raped Hillary story- the reason was that Clinton thought children would benefit his political career, and Hillary had no interest in having children.


I have also heard, that Bill did develop the normal love of a father for a daughter, but that Hillary was always a rather cold and distant mother.

I don't know , Ed. Every time I see Hillary, I see warm and cuddly. 'Nurturing' comes to my mind.

459 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:39:37pm

re: #458 mama winger

oh please be serious

460 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:39:59pm

re: #394 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Patriot,

From the earliest middle ages Marseilles was apparently ruled by a council probably similar to an economic oligarchy.

In 1251 the commune of Marseilles submitted to the Count of Provence Charles I (of Anjou). It was later re-attached to the Kingdom of France with the collapse of the House of Anjou in 1481.

Regards.

461 mama winger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:40:03pm

re: #459 amrilusaguy

re: #458 mama winger

oh please be serious

Why start now ? :)

462 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:41:01pm

re: #425 zombie

Who says Islam hasn't contributed to world science?

463 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:41:29pm

testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.

464 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:41:44pm

re: #452 amrilusaguy

re: #446 christheprofessor


re: #439 amrilusaguy

re: #436 christheprofessor

Four score and seven years ago ...

our forefather brought forth on the continent a new nation.....

conceived in liberty , and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal

now we are engaged in a great civil war

testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived Or so dedicated can Long endure.

465 easy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:42:31pm

re: #440 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #433 Ben Hur


re: #425 zombie

C'mon! It was the Europeans Americans that spread disease in their imperialistic expansion and subjugation of the third world!

Remember the small pox in the blankets!

Now go and hate yourself!


Not saying this in a way to hurt the indigenous bingo population, but no way were the indians going to build a canoe and discover Europe.


I always wondered, considering the state of medical knowledge at the time, how the colonists knew that the blankets were infectious.

466 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:43:43pm

re: #377 David E

Lupus is an autoimmune disease that is not communicable. For whatever reason, it appears more often in women than in men. Probably because the coding for immune reaction is on the X chromosome. Some auto-immune diseases (such as rheumatoid arthritis) can be triggered by exposure to other infectious agents. In RA it is usually a strep. The immune system makes a mistake and attacks not only the strep but other organs in the body. It may be possible that Lupus has a similar ability to be triggered, but that is not generally known at this point in time and continues to be a topic of research. Epstein Barr has been associated with MS and chronic fatigue syndrome. Your body is pretty complex piece of goods. Exactly how some of these autoimmune diseases are triggered remains a matter of conjecture and argument.

467 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:45:09pm

re: #58 Silhouette

PA reaction: "He didn't have it. It's your fault he had it. You are racists."

LLL reaction: "How homophobic of you to say that he would have it. And you shouldn't say things that will inflame their perfectly accceptable homophobic culture."

brilliant.. spot on.

468 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:45:19pm

re: #465 easy

re: #440 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #433 Ben Hur


re: #425 zombieC'mon! It was the Europeans Americans that spread disease in their imperialistic expansion and subjugation of the third world!

Remember the small pox in the blankets!

Now go and hate yourself!


Not saying this in a way to hurt the indigenous bingo population, but no way were the indians going to build a canoe and discover Europe.


I always wondered, considering the state of medical knowledge at the time, how the colonists knew that the blankets were infectious.

Good question. Way beyond my realm of limited knowledge. Something to look into.

469 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:45:29pm

re: #414 Resistance Girl

re: #378 galloping granny

I have always wondered why HIV seemed so much more virulent when it first appeared. Infected people seemed to die very, very quickly and the most common opportunistic infections were a little different.

Any thoughts?

Any thoughts - well lets start here. When HIV first appeared, it began in the gay communities in San Francisco and New York. Zombie made a comment up-thread that the conditions in those communities at the time were such that the entire community had one big shared blood stream. This kind of lifestyle leads to lowered immune resistance by the very nature of the lifestyle. Sexual permissiveness makes it much more likely that you will contract any of the various STDs and the presence of one of those lowers your resistance to the rest. Also, people involved in this kind of life style tend to not take good care of themselves otherwise - often simultaneously involved in drugs & alchohol. That - especially alcohol - also lowers your resistance. So, when something takes hold it runs right through the community.

You can see a sort of mini-model of this in any kindergarten: one kid catches something and before you know it all the kids, the teacher, the siblings and most of the parents have all come down with it.

Even after we had discovered the cause of AIDS, there were no effective treatments for the disease. In the early 90's when the FDA regs were changed to allow "fast tracking" of drugs for AIDS, there were very few drugs and the virus quickly developed resistance to those that existed (in the individual patient).

To make bad matters worse, the HIV virus changes the protein coat that encapsulates the virus extremely rapidly - sometimes as often as every generation. The various drugs (and any potential vaccine) target that protein coat. Very hard to target something that is not stable. Today the drugs are better because we have learned more about the virus.

The opportunistic infections haven't really changed much at all. What has changed is that now far more people are far more likely to get tested earlier - when they HIV rather than AIDS - and the better drugs that are available put off the development of AIDS for much longer than was once the case.

470 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:46:09pm

my father's sister died from lupus . sad .

471 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:46:17pm

We are met on a great battlefield of that war.

472 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:47:31pm

We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live.

473 itellu3times  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:48:32pm

#466 Shr_Nfr 7/12/2007

Lupus is an autoimmune disease ...
...how some of these autoimmune diseases are triggered remains a matter of conjecture and argument

Quite. Have my own involvement with another one. Enbrel and the biologics. Turmeric as an herbal alternative. I could go on ...

474 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:48:54pm

re: #442 zombie

I have heard that too, I choose for no good reason to go with Marsallais

475 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:49:01pm

it is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

476 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:49:28pm

It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

477 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:49:41pm

re: #464 christheprofessor


sorry i quit here - that is all i remember by heart
:)

478 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:49:51pm

I have been to one Arab country - Tunisia - back in 1983. At the time I was about 20 years old and had fairly long blond hair. Everywhere that I went old Arab men would make kissing sounds at me and, if I made eye-contact with them, they would lick their lips or make some other vulgar sexual gestures. One fellow even motioned as if he was masturbating.

This happened to me continually for the entire 10 days that I was there.

Pederasty is common in the Arab world as well as in Afghanistan and Pakistan...Of course they will always deny it but it is true. This is the reason that Alan Ginsberg and William S. Burroughs spent so much time in Morocco back in the late 50's and early 60's.

The great writer Paul Boweles, who spent most of his life in Morocco, has written quite a bit on the subject within the context of his stories.

Make no mistake, a large percentage of the Arab population engages in homosexual behavior.

479 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:50:24pm

re: #477 amrilusaguy

No worries. I had to search for the text myself!

480 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:50:41pm

Sorry. Take this....

But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground.

481 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:50:43pm

re: #443 mama winger

can you imagine the problems in this world that might have been erased if people had simply followed the instructions? :)

I remember having quite a discussion on that in high school. We chose one behavior and discussed all the pros/cons if everyone obeyed for just five years.

482 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:52:24pm

re: #466 Shr_Nfr

re: #377 David E

Lupus is an autoimmune disease that is not communicable. For whatever reason, it appears more often in women than in men. Probably because the coding for immune reaction is on the X chromosome. .

if this is the case and i remember my genetics correctly then it should be found more often in men than women since men only get one X chromosome so everything on that one chromosome is expressed. Like hemophilia

what dont i understand

483 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:52:36pm

By the way Wikipedia has it as Messina with a fleet from Genoa.

484 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:52:45pm

The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract.

485 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:52:51pm

re: #465 easy

re: #440 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #433 Ben Hur


re: #425 zombieC'mon! It was the Europeans Americans that spread disease in their imperialistic expansion and subjugation of the third world!

Remember the small pox in the blankets!

Now go and hate yourself!


Not saying this in a way to hurt the indigenous bingo population, but no way were the indians going to build a canoe and discover Europe.


I always wondered, considering the state of medical knowledge at the time, how the colonists knew that the blankets were infectious.

Smallpox had been around for several thousand years at that point. The Chinese were vaccinating against smallpox several thousand years ago. By the time of the American Revolution a basic smallpox vaccine had been developed from cowpox lesions. Same essential vaccine as used today. Matter of fact, we almost lost the Revolution because of smallpox.

That you cannot cure a disease does not mean that you don't know how it travels you know.

486 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:52:58pm

re: #468 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #465 easy

re: #440 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #433 Ben Hur


re: #425 zombieC'mon! It was the Europeans Americans that spread disease in their imperialistic expansion and subjugation of the third world!

Remember the small pox in the blankets!

Now go and hate yourself!


Not saying this in a way to hurt the indigenous bingo population, but no way were the indians going to build a canoe and discover Europe.


I always wondered, considering the state of medical knowledge at the time, how the colonists knew that the blankets were infectious.

Good question. Way beyond my realm of limited knowledge. Something to look into.

Ward Churchill's name comes up for some reason.

[Link: www.plagiary.org...]

487 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:53:49pm

re: #465 easy

I always wondered, considering the state of medical knowledge at the time, how the colonists knew that the blankets were infectious.

The colonists didn't.

Or rather, the one instance where the blanket thing might have happened was a decision by a British officer.

488 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:54:38pm

where am I ? I lost my place ...

489 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:55:11pm

One last thing about Autoimmune diseases, then I got to go.

I believe that within the next ten years, they will determine that autoimmune disease is far more prevalent than ascribed now.

In taking the bioimmunology class, and understanding the mathematics of what goes on in a thymus, bone marrow and a gazillion pieces of lymphatic tissue, it is amazing that our own immune system even recognizes the difference between a foreign and self antigen.

Pretty amazing stuff.

490 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:55:18pm

re: #481 Silhouette

interesting

which behaviour and what were your conclusions

491 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:55:55pm

re: #452 amrilusaguy

now we are engaged in a great civil war

Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire. During the battle, Rebel spies managed to....

Oops. Wrong recitation.

492 new2thezoo  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:56:12pm

Makes you wonder what's going on here.

493 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:56:14pm

More

What I do have an interest in is historical truth and accountability. A University of Colorado teacher, Ward Churchill, published an article on the United States Army giving out smallpox blankets to the Upper Missouri River tribes that led to the smallpox outbreak in 1837. Churchill totally fabricated this story in the 1990s. Churchill's article is not a matter of a different interpretation of the facts. It is an outright lie that he fabricated without a shred of evidence to back up his claims. The references that he cited totally disagreed with what he wrote.

[Link: www.mountainsofstone.com...]

494 christheprofessor  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:56:38pm

I have to run . You all have a great day!

495 Captain Joe  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:56:45pm

Arafat was a pillow biter?

496 David E  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:57:07pm

In addition their map has Messina, Corsica, Sardinia, and Marsallais hit in 1347 with mainland Italy (including Genoa hit in 1348).

497 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:57:29pm

re: #491 Silhouette

to be or not to be that is the question. whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outragous fortune......

498 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:57:37pm

re: #488 christheprofessor


You gave me the best line in the whole address


The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here.

499 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:57:43pm

The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here.

500 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:58:17pm

Got me again! That is the best line!

501 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 12:58:53pm
502 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:00:03pm

re: #378 galloping granny

I have a pair of prosthetic knees. Every time I have ANY dental work done, even so much as a teeth cleaning, I have to take antibiotics beforehand. Otherwise it is a known phenomena that bacteria may be introduced in mouth through small nicks in the gums from the picks, etc. and set up housekeeping in the prosthesis. Once they do, you have to operate to clean out the joint. For something as large as a bacterium to get through, it is trivial for a virus to get through. However, for my purposes, the virus will not set up in the prosthesis, so anti-biotics are all that are required in my case. Transmission of hiv only requires a break in the skin. Be it a needle stick or anything else. That is one reason that people with other STDs are highly likely to develop HIV. Aside from the sexual mores that they have, many of the STDs leave small open wounds in the genitals. (Genital herpes for example). That's all you need. Oral transmission is not only possible but probable unless you have the gene that makes you immune to the plague (seriously for some reason that gene also protects against HIV)

Condoms are required in all Nevada brothels even for oral sex and for good reason.

503 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:00:28pm

re: #490 amrilusaguy

Extra-marital sex.

Pros included taking the abortion argument almost out of play, decreased welfare costs and tax-payer health costs, drop in prison rates in 20 years, potential eradication of treatable STDs because they could be cured before infecting the next person, far fewer rapes (our rapists obeyed the moratorium), drop in divorce rates over adultery or because ill-suited people married because of pregnancies or mistaking sex for love.

Actually, we had hundreds of pros. I can only remember two cons.

Cons included rise in divorce rate if ill-suited people married over desperation for sex, and increased violence among the sexually frustrated.

504 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:00:47pm

Testing

505 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:01:17pm

Hm, that was weird. Anyway--

Yet another reason why Old Testament laws make sense

Now someone's just trying to bait me here.

506 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:01:44pm
507 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:01:58pm

I haven't seen Occasional Reader posting the whole week.. wonder were the bugger's gone?

508 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:02:07pm

re: #486 so.cal.swede

Ward Churchill's name comes up for some reason.

[Link: www.plagiary.org...]

I am not familiar with what Ward Churchill wrote regarding this. I am, however, familiar with what an American artist reported way back in 1830 some odd about the Mandan being deliberately given blankets infected with smallpox. One of the first Americans to document his tour of the west after Lewis & Clark, he had stayed at that Mandan village on his way west and then found it destroyed on his return. Very famous story and his diary has been available for many decades.

509 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:02:43pm

Went to G'burg with my son's scout troop 4 years ago. What an experience to stand on the main battlefield, Devil's Den, Little Big Top, etc.
Still makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up!

510 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:03:40pm

re: #508 galloping granny

re: #486 so.cal.swede

Ward Churchill's name comes up for some reason.

[Link: www.plagiary.org...]

I am not familiar with what Ward Churchill wrote regarding this. I am, however, familiar with what an American artist reported way back in 1830 some odd about the Mandan being deliberately given blankets infected with smallpox. One of the first Americans to document his tour of the west after Lewis & Clark, he had stayed at that Mandan village on his way west and then found it destroyed on his return. Very famous story and his diary has been available for many decades.

What i'm reading is that the 1830s story is made up... I'll have to look closer.

511 amrilusaguy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:04:21pm

re: #502 Shr_Nfr

i wont ask how you know about nevada brothels

512 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:06:33pm

I looked into the smallpox blanket thing for a LGF discussion a few weeks ago.

Became a "temporary expert," because I've forgotten the details now.

But, yes, our old pal Ward Churchill was involved in spreading a false accusation of smallpox blanket warfare.

513 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:06:46pm
514 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:06:46pm

#491 Silhouette: Just please don't start yammering away about an interstellar tax dispute.

515 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:06:59pm

It is for us the living, rather, to be here dedicated to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.

516 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:07:56pm

re: #501 buzzsawmonkey

re: #469 galloping granny

I knew people in the late '70s/early '80s--i.e., pre-AIDS--in New York for whom a diagnosis & treatment visit at the public STD clinic was a normal part of the monthly routine. In addition to any lowering of immunity due to promiscuity and STDs, the antibiotics themselves were becoming less effective, as "normal" strains of syphilis and gonorrhea began developing resistance to them--but the antibiotics still wiped out many of the body's natural defenses. One also has to consider that the rampant use of illegal drugs probably damaged existing immune systems.

A friend of mine who died in the mid-'80s, before effective AIDS treatments had been developed, fought off pneumocystis pneumonia three times before he finally succumbed. It was a horrible thing.

Yup. And one of the biggest problems in medicine today is that syphyillis and gonorrhea are having a big resurgence and this time they are often penicillin resistant. With no good alternative drug. And people still think they are a thing of the past.

517 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:08:04pm
518 mad_scientist  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:08:10pm

testing.....

519 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:09:17pm

re: #509 MrMom


My dream vacation is to visit Gettysburg, Antietam, and Appomattox Courthouse

520 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:09:28pm

re: #509 MrMom

Went to G'burg with my son's scout troop 4 years ago. What an
experience to stand on the main battlefield, Devil's Den, Little Big
Top, etc.
Still makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up!

The hair on the back of the neck might mean you had an ancestor who fought there, or died there maybe. I've heard it explained that way before.

521 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:09:32pm

re: #286 Maine's Michael

They probably already have it. I can dream, can't I?

522 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:09:48pm

re: #510 so.cal.swede

re: #508 galloping granny

re: #486 so.cal.swede

Ward Churchill's name comes up for some reason.

[Link: www.plagiary.org...]

I am not familiar with what Ward Churchill wrote regarding this. I am, however, familiar with what an American artist reported way back in 1830 some odd about the Mandan being deliberately given blankets infected with smallpox. One of the first Americans to document his tour of the west after Lewis & Clark, he had stayed at that Mandan village on his way west and then found it destroyed on his return. Very famous story and his diary has been available for many decades.

What i'm reading is that the 1830s story is made up... I'll have to look closer.

Ward's version might be made up. The one I am telling you about is certainly not. The diaries are considered a primary source document.

523 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:11:20pm

Look out! mad scientist is performing a test!

524 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:11:32pm

re: #522 galloping granny

Do you know where I could find materials? what was the name of the feller?

525 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:12:08pm
The hair on the back of the neck might mean you had an ancestor who fought there, or died there maybe.

Or, perhaps, that you're aware of the significance of the place, and so your emotional reaction generates a physiological response. (Nutty sounding, I know, but it just might be true!)

526 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:12:52pm

re: #520 HDrepub

re: #509 MrMom


Went to G'burg with my son's scout troop 4 years ago. What an
experience to stand on the main battlefield, Devil's Den, Little Big
Top, etc.
Still makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up!

The hair on the back of the neck might mean you had an ancestor who fought there, or died there maybe. I've heard it explained that way before.

It wouldn't surprise me. Also, we camped in the woods in which the Confederate army assembled the day of the main battle. Those woods are supposed to be haunted by the souls of the dead soldiers. We had a few frightened scouts!

527 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:14:53pm

This guy is pretty sure it didn't happen.

A University of Colorado teacher, Ward Churchill, published an article on the United States Army giving out smallpox blankets to the Upper Missouri River tribes that led to the smallpox outbreak in 1837. Churchill totally fabricated this story in the 1990s. Churchill's article is not a matter of a different interpretation of the facts. It is an outright lie that he fabricated without a shred of evidence to back up his claims. The references that he cited totally disagreed with what he wrote

...

Based primarily on the lies of Ward Churchill, the use of smallpox blankets as a means of Indian genocide by the Unites States Army and the Government is in some current textbooks used in the educational system.

The only documented case of smallpox blankets being given to Indians was by Captain Eucyer of the British army. I challenge anyone to offer documented proof, except for the two blankets given out by Captain Ecuyer at Fort Pitt, of smallpox infected blankets being deliberately given to Indians as a means of spreading smallpox.

528 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:15:24pm

re: #519 bulwrk

re: #509 MrMom


My dream vacation is to visit Gettysburg, Antietam, and Appomattox Courthouse


The G'burg vacation has almost become cliche, but it was great and I would recommend it to anyone.

/maybe not with a scout troop :^)

529 JHW  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:15:49pm

re: #510 so.cal.swede

re: #517 buzzsawmonkey

British Gen Amherst and Smallpox
Amherst and Smallpox

Ward Churchill refuted
Plins Indians and Smallpox

530 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:15:51pm

re: #526 MrMom

re: #520 HDrepub


re: #509 MrMom

Went to G'burg with my son's scout troop 4 years ago. What an
experience to stand on the main battlefield, Devil's Den, Little Big
Top, etc.
Still makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up!

The hair on the back of the neck might mean you had an ancestor who fought there, or died there maybe. I've heard it explained that way before.

It wouldn't surprise me. Also, we camped in the woods in which the Confederate army assembled the day of the main battle. Those woods are supposed to be haunted by the souls of the dead soldiers. We had a few frightened scouts!

There is still supposed to be around 300 confederate soldiers buried in unmarked graves somewhere on the battlefield.

531 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:17:08pm

re: #522 galloping granny

Also, from what i'm reading right now. It seems it was an outbreak of smallpox yes, but that the disease was not caused on purpose by the US military, and not by smallpox infested blankets.

Looked on wikipedia and they only talk about a smallpox blanket use in 1754-1767. I traced it back and I would have to get hold of a book called "The Effect of Smallpox on the Destiny of the Amerindian" by EW Stearn

532 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:17:13pm

re: #524 so.cal.swede

re: #522 galloping granny

Do you know where I could find materials? what was the name of the feller?

His name was George Catlin. You can buy a copy of his diary at Amazon. I've had a copy since the 50's. His paintings are held by the Smithsonian. Looking for a downloadable copy for you.

533 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:19:02pm

re: #530 bulwrk

That's one of the things most people don't realize...the logistics of locating, burying, etc. tens of thousands of dead bodies scattered across a very large battlefield....in 90 degree heat! BAD job to have.

534 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:19:22pm

re: #529 JHW

re: #510 so.cal.swede

re: #517 buzzsawmonkey

British Gen Amherst and Smallpox
Amherst and Smallpox

Ward Churchill refuted
Plins Indians and Smallpox

the first one is the one i refered to in the mid-1700s, not the 1830's Mandan incident (that is made up).

535 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:19:42pm

Chris....bulwrk....
either of you care to finish? Can't stop now!

536 Gmac  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:20:28pm

Small wonder Clinton and the Democrats welcomed him with open arms...

537 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:21:22pm

It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.

538 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:21:45pm

re: #525 Occasional Reader

The hair on the back of the neck might mean you had an ancestor who fought there, or died there maybe.

Or, perhaps, that you're aware of the significance of the place, and so your emotional reaction generates a physiological response. (Nutty sounding, I know, but it just might be true!)


Yes, that could be, too!

539 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:23:51pm

It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us. . .that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion. . . that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain. . . that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. . . and that this government of the people. . .by the people. . .for the people. . . shall not perish from the earth.

Imagine that in Ed-like, giant font and bright colors!

540 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:24:19pm

re: #458 mama winger

Bubba actually brought Chelsea up...and she has his promicuous gene..any woman whether she is a mother that can write 'It takes a village' is no mother in my book. She also seems far more interested in women like Donna Shilala and Janet Reno, et al.

Notice that an arab woman is very close to her, in the article. Shrillary is as fake as a $3.00 bill.

541 MrMom  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:26:52pm

Can't think of a better way to go out! Love you all (mostly). Play nice lizards.

542 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:27:02pm

re: #531 so.cal.swede

re: #522 galloping granny

Also, from what i'm reading right now. It seems it was an outbreak of smallpox yes, but that the disease was not caused on purpose by the US military, and not by smallpox infested blankets.

Looked on wikipedia and they only talk about a smallpox blanket use in 1754-1767. I traced it back and I would have to get hold of a book called "The Effect of Smallpox on the Destiny of the Amerindian" by EW Stearn

Ah, now I agree the smallpox and the Mandans was not the fault of the US military. Catlin reported it as the fault of people on a riverboat that stopped at the village. The original query said "colonists" not "military."

543 JHW  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:27:13pm

re: #534 so.cal.swede

I noticed something else in that second article ,Churchill made a mirror image of another man`s painting (Thomas Mails, in his book the Mystic Warriors of the Plains) and tried to pass it off as his own original artwork.Pretty shameless guy.

544 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:28:02pm

re: #532 galloping granny

OK. i'm sure you are mixing two things here: Catlin's accounts and W.Churchill's fictive accusations that the US army was responsible.

There WAS a smallpox epedemic, but the US army didnt do it.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Ward Churchill has alleged that the US Army gave smallpox infected blankets to the Mandan Indians in 1837, as part of a genocidal conspiracy. No historian specializing in that event has agreed with Churchill's accusations against the Army. Professor Thomas Brown alleged that Churchill's version of the event amounts to a conspiracy theory. The University of Colorado recommended Churchill's dismissal for research misconduct as a consequence.

545 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:28:37pm

re: #533 MrMom


It was pretty much left up to the local inhabitants of the surronding area to deal with temporary interment.

546 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:29:45pm

re: #542 galloping granny

OK, gotcha. =).

I'd like to look into the mid-1700s episode though, as that seems to be a credible attempt of biowarfare by the US army.

547 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:30:19pm

re: #545 bulwrk


PIMF surrounding/internment

548 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:30:58pm

re: #544 so.cal.swede

See my #542. The Mandan incident did happen - just not the US military. BTW, I grew up not far from Amherst, MA, and am very familiar with the native history of the area. I have never once heard of the natives of the area being wiped out by smallpox. That was the last bastion of King Phillip during the rebellion. They were slaughtered, yes - at what is today Turner's Falls. No smallpox I've ever heard of though.

549 Irenike  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:31:16pm

As a straight female, I'm seeking some clarification.

A lot of messages on this b-board use the terms "pederast" and "gay" in the same sentence. A man who is attracted to pubescent teenage boys is gay, in my opinion, just as a man who is attracted to pubescent teenage girls is straight. So are most gay men attracted to teenage boys? Are most straight men attracted to teenage girls?

And what about pre-pubescent boys? Are men considered gay if they desire them, or are they just pedophiles? Is there any reliable data on how many homosexuals are pedophiles? I wonder if one can even do research in this area if one doesn't have a political agenda . . .

550 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:32:22pm

If you've had cow pox, you can't get small pox. re: #543 JHW
Oh, the list of Ward's plagerisms and frauds is long. I think he outright copied four or five paintings.

%u2022 That in his published writings, Churchill has mischaracterized the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990, along with the General Allotment Act.

%u2022 That Churchill has repeatedly advanced a theory charging the U.S. Army with an act of genocide against the Mandan Indians in 1837, citing sources that contradict his claim.

%u2022 That Churchill plagiarized the work of professor Fay Cohen of Dalhousie University in Canada.

%u2022 That Churchill plagiarized a defunct Canadian environmental group's pamphlet on a shelved water- diversion project.

Malkin had at least three paintings that he copied.

551 Hening  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:32:37pm

Another pile-up on the Hershey highway.

Old Arab saying:

For children, a woman
For pleasure, a boy

552 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:32:51pm

re: #546 so.cal.swede

re: #542 galloping granny

OK, gotcha. =).

I'd like to look into the mid-1700s episode though, as that seems to be a credible attempt of biowarfare by the US army.

I see now. it was attempted once. but not successful.

In negotiations during the siege, the commander of Fort Pitt gave two Delaware emissaries blankets that had been exposed to smallpox, in hopes of infecting the surrounding Indians and ending the siege. The attempt was probably unsuccessful, and on August 1, 1763, most of the Indians broke off the siege in order to intercept an approaching force under Colonel Henry Bouquet, resulting in the Battle of Bushy Run. Bouquet fought off the attack and relieved Fort Pitt on August 20.

553 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:34:44pm
554 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:34:56pm

re: #548 galloping granny

re: #544 so.cal.swede

See my #542. The Mandan incident did happen - just not the US military. .

It would seem so, could you find any accounts that the spreading of smallpox was deliberate? Pardon, i actually have to head back to work :)

555 JHW  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:35:02pm

re: #550 Silhouette
Thanks for the info.,I was unaware of those.
Amazing that he got away with this so long.

556 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:36:09pm

#550 me

OOps, the cowpox/small pox thing wasn't supposed to be in there.

From an old post I started and thought I deleted.

557 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:36:44pm

re: #553 buzzsawmonkey

re: #546 so.cal.swede

re: #542 galloping granny

OK, gotcha. =).

I'd like to look into the mid-1700s episode though, as that seems to be a credible attempt of biowarfare by the US army.

In the mid-1700s, the US did not exist. That was the British Army.

I'm getting my centuries mixed up. you are correct. so we can then say that while the US has certainly done some horrible things against native americans (and vice versa) there has never been a deliberate attempt of trying to wage biowarfare against NA using smallpox/blankets.

558 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:38:40pm

re: #552 so.cal.swede

re: #546 so.cal.swede

re: #542 galloping granny

OK, gotcha. =).

I'd like to look into the mid-1700s episode though, as that seems to be a credible attempt of biowarfare by the US army.

I see now. it was attempted once. but not successful.

In negotiations during the siege, the commander of Fort Pitt gave two Delaware emissaries blankets that had been exposed to smallpox, in hopes of infecting the surrounding Indians and ending the siege. The attempt was probably unsuccessful, and on August 1, 1763, most of the Indians broke off the siege in order to intercept an approaching force under Colonel Henry Bouquet, resulting in the Battle of Bushy Run. Bouquet fought off the attack and relieved Fort Pitt on August 20.

Yes. And do remember, the commander of Fort Pitt was BRITISH, not American. I suspect if you hunt around in there somewhere, that was really directed at the French.

559 Ackomanyuki  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:40:12pm

Ode to Abu Ammar


Though The fish was no dish
His tail he still swished

With flair and abandon
He ravished Hyenas

This most heinous of dogs
Is not who you think

Not Kafir or Yehud
But a Fedayeen in pink

A Colt gripped of ivory
He kept very shiny

He often stroked it while dreaming
Of little boy’s Heineys

Grenades he caressed
A prosthesis for balls

As he was Deified by dupes
With graffiti on walls

A man not to be sated by buggering asses
He made an art form of screwing the Jordyptian masses

A conflicted id
An ego half rip

From suckling his mother
Till he met his uncle Le Pipes

Though he puffed out his chest
Towards the Jews he would slay

He was a man among men
In the most Arab of ways

The meaning of that being
Arafat was gay.

560 galloping granny  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:40:14pm

re: #557 so.cal.swede

re: #553 buzzsawmonkey

re: #546 so.cal.swede

re: #542 galloping granny

OK, gotcha. =).

I'd like to look into the mid-1700s episode though, as that seems to be a credible attempt of biowarfare by the US army.

In the mid-1700s, the US did not exist. That was the British Army.

I'm getting my centuries mixed up. you are correct. so we can then say that while the US has certainly done some horrible things against native americans (and vice versa) there has never been a deliberate attempt of trying to wage biowarfare against NA using smallpox/blankets.

Certainly not that I know of.

561 armytramp  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:44:18pm

#502 and Galloping Granny

Thanks for posting your thoughtful comments. I worked in AIDS hospice as a volunteer for two years and am kind of surprised that there is so much misinformation on the board. It's especially dangerous that people seem to believe you can't get AIDS orally. Of course you can.

And you don't need to be a receiver to get it, either. Even having a small infection can allow the AIDS virus to travel up the small open duct in the penis.

While no one is sure how (or even if) AIDS was transfered from monkeys to humans, no one had to have sex with a monkey to get it. An infected bite would do the trick. Gums bleed.

Also, this hasn't been mentioned, but I'm about to gross you out a bit. One of the reasons why AIDS spreads so quickly among certain ethnic groups - such as in Africa and the Middle East, even among heterosexuals - is because of the prevalence of sexual practices that can damage the body and make it easy to spread disease.

One of these practices is dry sex. In Africa and among some Middle Eastern ethnic groups, a dry vagina is considered preferable to the vagina of the lubricated and relaxed willing woman. Basically, it simulates the feeing of the vagina of a virgin, a child, or an unwilling sex partner. A man believes he is having sex with a woman who is promiscuous if she shows signs of lubrication. If she is willing, she is slutty. If she is unwilling, she is pure.

This sex act is damaging to both partners and the tearing makes it easier to transmit AIDS.

Also, anal sex among heterosexual couples is a birth control practice. Many refuse to use condoms even when they have access to them, and anal sex among heterosexuals obviates the need for them, if the point is to have sex without getting pregnant.

So, you will see a LOT of AIDS among heterosexuals in Africa and the Middle East because of polygyny, unsafe sexual practices that damage women in particular, and the desire to have sex with virgin children, a practice often believed to cure AIDS.

Oh yeah, and syphillus?

It's from sheep. The name comes from an ancient Greek shepherd.

562 Catttt  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:46:50pm

re: #252 galloping granny

re: #223 Catttt


Wow - sounds a lot like flat honesty from Mr. Jibril. Better late than never. It's always possible he is saying it to move on and get somewhere, as he said.

One little thing I have to say to spoil this somber moment:


Yasser Arafat, who for 40 years had been carrying his gun from one place to another....

How many of you heard this little rhyme in your head when you read that?

This is my weapon and this is my gun.
One is for killing and one is for fun.


I learned that many years ago when they still made soldiers parade around and exhibit both as " This is my rifle (illustrate) and this is my gun (illustrate) this is for fighting (illustrate) and this is for fun (illustrate.) Every GI's worst nightmare in basic training.

Lol!

I learned it after they were not supposed to use the rhyme at all, due to mixed male/female groups/pcness, so the sargeant said "We no longer do this, but when we used to do it..." and then did it anyway. :) They just didn't want to let it go. Heh.

563 Resistance Girl  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:48:20pm

re: #469 galloping granny

Thanks for all that info!

564 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:52:21pm

re: #549 Irenike

As a straight female, I'm seeking some clarification.

A lot of messages on this b-board use the terms "pederast" and "gay" in the same sentence. A man who is attracted to pubescent teenage boys is gay, in my opinion, just as a man who is attracted to pubescent teenage girls is straight. So are most gay men attracted to teenage boys? Are most straight men attracted to teenage girls?

And what about pre-pubescent boys? Are men considered gay if they desire them, or are they just pedophiles? Is there any reliable data on how many homosexuals are pedophiles? I wonder if one can even do research in this area if one doesn't have a political agenda . . .

There seems to be some amount of crossover. Gore Vidal loved underage male prostitutes. It's also not too uncommon for male pedophiles to have sex with adult men. It's not 100% accurate to use pedophile and gay interchangeably, but not totally inaccurate either. It seems to depend on the situation.

565 kirche  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 1:53:43pm

#45 kragar

"I just called the microphone monitoring center to ask about the 'Fedayee,'" Arafat's code name, explained Munteaunu. "After the meeting with the Comrade, he went directly to the guest house and had dinner. At this very moment, the 'Fedayee' is in his bedroom making love to his bodyguard. The one I knew was his latest lover. He's playing tiger again. The officer monitoring his microphones connected me live with the bedroom, and the squawling almost broke my eardrums. Arafat was roaring like a tiger, and his lover yelping like a hyena."


nice going, ace... i can honestly say this is something i'd never want to know or read or allow my mind to generate a visual of. if i ever meet you i'm going to punch you in the arm. as hard as i can. twice.

566 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 2:00:01pm

Well, AIDS took far too long to kill the old bugger. Makes me yearn for the return of Ebola.

567 Minion  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 2:07:03pm

This is old news.

568 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 2:11:39pm
569 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 2:24:02pm

#566 American Jewess,

LOL. I love a good woman as sadistic as I am. I was kind of hoping (and still am) the some of these jihadi types develop a good case of elephantitis while sleeping those caves.

Slower target and all...

570 grumpy old codger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 2:29:24pm

re: #502 Shr_Nfr

Cleaning out the joint is an oversimplification. Ordinarily, it will take massive dosages of heavy duty IV antibiotics and removal of the hardware. The antibiotics often require use of a PIC line (special IV access) and about 30 days of twice a day dosings.
FYI, when I first worked ina hospital setting (1967), the standard dose for gonorrhea/syphilis was 400,000 units of IM pencillin - one dose/1,200,000 units IM in for each. By the time I left that facility, the dose for gonorrhea was 1,2 milllion and 4.8 million for syphilis. This was over a span of two years. This type of penicillin is now useless and we're using other drugs. but you're absolutely right about bacterial resistance. Do a search and MRSA. The results are frightening.

571 Arashi  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 2:33:12pm

re: #549 Irenike

As a straight female, I'm seeking some clarification.

A lot of messages on this b-board use the terms "pederast" and "gay" in the same sentence. A man who is attracted to pubescent teenage boys is gay, in my opinion, just as a man who is attracted to pubescent teenage girls is straight. So are most gay men attracted to teenage boys? Are most straight men attracted to teenage girls?

And what about pre-pubescent boys? Are men considered gay if they desire them, or are they just pedophiles? Is there any reliable data on how many homosexuals are pedophiles? I wonder if one can even do research in this area if one doesn't have a political agenda . . .

Pederasty - relations between a man and a young man (usually), which can (and often does) involve sexual relations.

Pedophilia - a sexual desire of an adult to be with a child. The "desire" can be either straight or homosexual.

By definition, pederasty is homosexual. Pedophilia, while it seems like grown men molesting young boys is the most common form, is not inherently male-male by its definition. So...does that help?

572 grumpy old codger  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 2:34:15pm

re: #558 galloping granny

As it says in John Ford's, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence, when the legend becomes fact, print the legend. This smallpox thing has been used in movies, etc.. It will never die.

573 Charles  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 2:58:03pm

Testing...

574 wooga  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 2:58:32pm

This was obvious years ago. Just look at his picture. Arafat's recreational activities gave him a bad case of the fish lips (DSL).

575 stuck-in-ca  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 3:11:25pm

Aids? I have one word........eeeeeeeewwww.

576 itellu3times  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 3:32:51pm

re: #559 Ackomanyuki

There was a jihadi named Yasser,
A nation is all that he asked fer,
A weapon he waved,
In a manner depraved,
da-dah-da-da young camel's da, sir.

577 mayweed  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 3:42:00pm

Oh, no!

That's a terrible shame. What on earth will his brain-dead hordes of followers make of it all?

Oops, silly me, I forgot. They're incapable of independent thought, and have no reasoning capacity of any kind whatsoever.

My mistake. Sorry, folks.

578 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 3:55:38pm

we all knew his "unusual blood disease" was aids. i pity the young men he preyed on.

579 Murqtaad  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 4:03:58pm

Bad. Canned. Meat.

580 nemo  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 4:38:49pm

Arafat spread his mental disease
to a lot of people's minds
He also caught a physical disease
by desiring boy's behinds (his wife in Ramalah? It's a shithole. Paris was her place to be with the $ billions)

Now what'll all his followers think
when the truth is not a plot
Israel will NOT be blamed
After all men's butts are hot (it's in the Qu'ran)

So all of Islam then turns back to gay
And women are treated worse
And what really should be blamed
It is the vast Mohammedan curse (Sir Salman Rushdie got it right)

581 uptight  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 4:39:24pm

Liberace, on the other hand, was killed by the Israelis.

582 The Kevin Show  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 4:44:09pm

This doesn't surprise me in the least bit. Big leaders, even if they don't have a real country, like Arafat, are always such hypocrites. Bush isn't a true conservative, because we would have completely wiped out the Iraqi insurgency a while ago if he was, Hitler was part Jewish and now Arafat is proven to be "unclean," at least according to Islam.

Too bad nothing like this will show up in the major US media, since, you know, Arafat is a god to them.

583 Perplexed  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 6:10:26pm

Normally I wouldn't wish AIDS on anyone. However, in this case I've got to make an exception. I hope he died screaming.

584 iraqihere  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 6:12:20pm

re: #12 Yashmak

You don't need to wait, their reaction is always same:

Islamists: yes we knew, he is a corrupt israeli american agent.
Arab Nationalists: These are lies from zionists and neo-con americans, and this is not true, it is fabrication and conspiracy.

...............etc

their reactions are same, and will never change. and I read this kind of stuffs all the time.

585 Guv'ner  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 6:17:24pm

HA!

If anyone cares, I was the first to raise this possibility. When arafish lay dying and flown to Paris, we had athread discussing the differential diagnosis.

In fact his homosexuality first surfaced in a book by the retired Romanian Secret Police chief. But ofcourse, it must've been a Jewish plot.

586 Honzik  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 6:19:18pm

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I had also heard that when Ion Mihai Pacepa made his accusations of Arafat's homosexual activities, Arafat threatened to sue in French court for defamation. Pacepa, apparently, responded to the threat of a lawsuit by mentioning that he had footage of Arafat's trysts, and would use them to defend himself in court. Arafat then decided to drop the suits or the threats of suits.

Having said this, I'm not sure that this is not an urban legend. I'd like to confirm this. Anyone?

587 Goosio  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 6:47:30pm

I don't really buy that Arafat died of AIDS. It's too good to be true. I'd love to be proven wrong on this.

Admittedly there's a lot I don't know about Arafat's relationship to the PFLP, but I know that generally you can tell these guys are lying when their lips move.

588 webs87  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 7:07:30pm

hahahaha...well it's not as if it's a huge suprise....

589 EE  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 7:12:01pm

Arafat for a long time could be seen to have his lower lip tremble uncontrollably. I could see that, and it was mentioned by lots of people. For a long time he was not a well man.

I recall that on Fox News' Special Report, the panel was discussing Arafat's malady towards the end of his life, and Charles Krauthammer was asked, as a doctor, what he thought was physically wrong with Arafat. Krauthammer's answer was that probably Arafat had many ailments.

The possibility that Arafat had HIV AIDS does not seem all that unlikely, given his reputation, and given that he appeared to have a host of different ailments.

590 EE  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 7:25:07pm
I am not saying this, they did. Now they pretend that they miss Yasser Arafat, and complain that [Hamas] entered his house in [Gaza] and so on... I say to every honorable member of the Fatah movement that he should be happy that we got rid of the plague, which had been imposed upon them and upon the Palestinian people. The Fatah movement now has an opportunity to renew itself.

One odd thing is that Ahmad Jibril of the PFLP-GC (a spinoff from the PFLP), says that he was Arafat's friend, but also calls him a plague that was imposed on Fatah and on the Palestinian people. If he really was Arafat's friend, why would he be talking this way about him? With friends like Ahmad Jibril, one doesn't need enemies. Mahmud Abbas should beware of Ahmad Jibril, who seems to have attacked Arafat at this particular time in order to weaken the standing of Abbas.

The road map calls for "dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure". If Abbas wants to appear to be a moderate, he can start by dismantling the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine -- General Command. Not by empowering it by calling it part of the security services, and giving it access to arms and ammo and training and intelligence, but by really dismantling it.

591 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 7:50:19pm

it's a lie by the Iz-ra-aylees!

592 EE  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 8:03:39pm

This statement by the leader of the PFLP-GC becomes clearer when you look at who the PFLP-GC is:
[Link: www.fas.org...]

593 EE  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 8:13:12pm

re #592


Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)

Description

Split from the PFLP in 1968, claiming it wanted to focus more on fighting and less on politics. Violently opposed to Arafat’s PLO. Led by Ahmad Jabril, a former captain in the Syrian Army. Jabril’s son, Jihad, was killed by a car bomb in May 2002. Closely tied to both Syria and Iran.

Activities

Carried out dozens of attacks in Europe and the Middle East during the 1970s and 1980s. Known for cross-border terrorist attacks into Israel using unusual means, such as hot air balloons and motorized hang gliders. Primary focus now on guerrilla operations in southern Lebanon and small-scale attacks in Israel, West Bank, and Gaza Strip.

Strength

Several hundred.

Location/Area of Operation

Headquartered in Damascus with bases in Lebanon.

External Aid

Receives support from Syria and financial support from Iran.

This is a tool of the Iran-Syria-Hizballah-Hamas axis. They are headquartered in Syria. They act on behalf of Syria. That's why Jibril ridiculed the investigation of Hariri's assassination. They are part of the Iran-Syria-Hizballah-Hamas axis. That's why he went to Hizballah TV.

Why did he call Arafat a plague that was imposed on Fatah and the Palestinian people? He wants to get Fatah to join the Iran-Syria-Hizballah-Hamas axis.

But if they joined with Hamas, it would be like a partnership of a strong horse (Hamas) with a dead horse (Fatah). It would mean the domination of Hamas over Fatah.

594 infidelboy  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 9:05:32pm

please don't kill us off 4 ur prejustice. we homos feel like anyone else, g'd bless america

595 iraqihere  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 9:44:05pm

re: #590 EE


One odd thing is that Ahmad Jibril of the PFLP-GC (a spinoff from the PFLP), says that he was Arafat's friend, but also calls him a plague that was imposed on Fatah and on the Palestinian people. If he really was Arafat's friend, why would he be talking this way about him? With friends like Ahmad Jibril, one doesn't need enemies. Mahmud Abbas should beware of Ahmad Jibril, who seems to have attacked Arafat at this particular time in order to weaken the standing of Abbas.

It looks odd in the sane world, not in the Arab world, it is very common that friendship among "Jihadists, or Nidhalists" end up in killing each other or opposing each other, actually even among the family of "jihadist" or "nidhalists", more common scene though when they reach the power.. don't suprise at all, it happened in every part of Arab world, including iraq, in 1958, all the leaders of the military cop were friends, they cop and kill each other and then it ended up to the less known one at that time, Saddam. and they continued to call themselves friends of the murdered. That's way I also cautious about the idea of ex-pm "Allawy" taking control of the country, cause he was friend too. lol

596 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Jul 12, 2007 10:26:26pm

$594 infidelboy

Don't worry, infidelboy; most of us lizards are actually human and have no death wish for homosexuals in general. I'm just glad to see that some of you are over here on the good side, and not standing on Berkeley street corners holding "Death to Israel" signs. Welcome. :-)

597 Call me Infidel  Fri, Jul 13, 2007 2:32:52am

I'm just glad he's still dead....

598 Jed  Fri, Jul 13, 2007 5:59:54am
I'm just glad he's still dead....

Amen.


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