I don't watch Bush any more.

It would be nice if he would find some of the moral justice of his first term.

Not that I ever did in the first place, to be frank.

I'm so tired.

re: #1 Iron Fist

"Moderate" terrorists. Yeah, right. We've come a long way from "You
are either with us or you are with the terrorists". Seems like we are with the Terrorists now.

But only with the 'good' terrorists of Fatah and not with the wicked terrorists of Hamas.

$190 million.

I just got back from the Rally to Free the Kidnapped Israeli Soldiers at the UN! It was huge! I shot about 110 photos and had to run back to work.

Photos to come tonight.
---

Rally to Free Israel's Soldiers
A year has passed since IDF soldiers Gilad Shalit, Ehud Goldwasser, and Eldad Regev were kidnapped by Hamas and Hezbollah.
Show the world we have not forgotten and will not forget them or Israel's other MIAs.
Demand their immediate and unconditional release!
Monday, July 16, 2007
12:00 noon Rain or Shine
Dag Hammarskjold Plaza
(1st Ave. and 47th St.)
ManhattanFeaturing:
Congressman Christopher Shays (R-CT)
as well as other guest speakers
The RJC hopes you will be able to attend this important rally sponsored by the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organization
No need to RSVP, just show up!

The truth is how much can you blame Bush? Can you really expect him to be more pro-Israel than the Prime Minister of Israel?

/spit

What is this mythical place called "Palestine" bush keeps talking about? Is it like valhalla or Asgard or something?

I'd like a line-item veto on how my tax dollars are spent.

George, don't talk, wipe out the iranian nuclear plants, THEN I will listen to you again...

A regime-change-in-Iran policy please!

re: #7 Charles

$190 million.

They said on the news here that the $190 million is on top of the $86 million he already promised them.

It's actually amazing, now that I think about it, that in seven years, I barely have ever seen a video of Bush. Seriously. I watched the first speech after 9/11, and the State of the Union speech after 9/11, but aside from that I basically never watch TV news, and never have occasion to watch him online for any reason since that time.

Weird.

re: #7 Charles

$190 million.

To the plaeos ?

George "Neville" Bush...

I'd like to thank the President for nicely encapsulating why I no longer support him.

re: #8 NoSubmission

Looking forward to it!

Who got to him?

this is not the president that i voted for, maybe he is a changeling.

bush is BUSHA SHAMEFUL *the legitimate government of abbas* um George, no, it was HAMAS that was democratically elected...

re: #20 zombie

re: #8 NoSubmission

Looking forward to it!

I heard there were supposed to be some pro-terror demonstrators, but none were to be found. Dag Hammerskjold Plaza was packed! How I ran all the way up and across town, made my way through the packed crowd and shot all those pictures and sped back to work I'll never know.

Once more, and with feeling...

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over expecting different results.

re: #23 Iron Fist

All I can say is Kerry would have been worse. Much worse.

Probably true but the distance between them seems to narrow by the day.

$190 million, hunh? That's about 75¢ per American.

I want my 75¢ back! I could have bought a bagel with that.

OT, but I'll spam this up-blog just this once.

DC to appeal Parker decision to SCOTUS.

$190 million buys a lot of rubble.

re: #8 NoSubmission

Send me an email when you have 'em posted, so I'll cross link 'em.

Gimme' back my fucking money!

Abu Ahmed, a senior Fatah member: The base of our Fatah movement keeps dreaming of Tel Aviv, Haifa, Jaffa and Acco [Acre].
There is no change in our position.
Abbas recognizes Israel because of pressure that the Zionists and the Americans are exercising on him.
We understand this is part of his obligations and political calculations.
There is an opportunistic class at the head of the Fatah leadership that for personal and political interests says it accepts the existence of Israel. There is no change in our official position. Fatah as a movement never recognized Israel.

Elephant in room...ISLAM IS THE ISSUE!

re: #28 zombie

$190 million, hunh? That's about 75¢ per American.

I want my 75¢ back! I could have bought a bagel with that.

where?

Serenity now.
Serenity now.
Serenity now.

re: #31 lawhawk

re: #8 NoSubmission

Send me an email when you have 'em posted, so I'll cross link 'em.

Okay! will do. After work I'm heading up to Times Square to shoot the 'troops out now' moonbats' 80 bazillionth anti-war demo too. Busy day here!

Bush in pawn clothing

"Moderate" again. What's so great about being a moderate? Rush Limbaugh always mocks moderates as standing for nothing. But moderate is a relative term. As far as terrorism goes, moderate just means less effective.

OT:

PAKISTAN: MUSLIM MOB CONFESSES TO CHURCH ATTACK

ISTANBUL, July 16 (Compass Direct News) – Muslims have apologized for attacking a church last month in Pakistan’s Punjab region but offered no compensation for injuring Christians and damaging the building. In addition to wounding seven Christians and destroying books at the Salvation Army church in Chak 248, a village 20 miles north of Faisalabad, the perpetrators admitted that a Muslim resident had planned to burn a page of the Quran – punishable with life imprisonment under Pakistani law – and blame the Christian community. “We are sorry and promise that this will not happen in the future,” Faizur Rehman, one of 41 Muslims originally accused with attacking the church on June 17, said in a June 28 notarized affidavit. “The Christian people have forgiven them,” lawyer Khalil Tahir Sindhu, legal representative for the Christian community, told Compass. He said that both parties had dropped court cases in which they accused each other of instigating violence, though he admitted he was not in favor of the out-of-court settlement. “This is called impunity,” the lawyer protested.

Not Palestine, Philistia. FATAH stands for Harakat al-Tahrir al-Watani al-Filastini, Philistine National "Liberation" Movement. As long ago, the Canaanites are a vile and twisted people.

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

huh?

If I start my own terrorist organization- can I get a government grant?

re: #15 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #7 Charles

$190 million.

They said on the news here that the $190 million is on top of the $86 million he already promised them.

That will buy alot of bullets.

I'm a moderate Lutheran. What about my $190M?

When all else fails at Foggy Bottom, recycle old bad ideas. It doesn't matter who's in office, the same odious ideas keep resurfacing, as though this time it will be different if only we have different people doing the implementation.

Years back, it became all too clear that Arafat was an impediment so when he kicked the bucket, there was the usual signs of hope except that the new thugs were just like the old thugs, only more ineffectual.

There's no reason to believe that this is any different.

I expect this simply to try and take the issue off the table for the rest of his term in office. Help Fatah while undermining Hamas, chosing the lesser of evils, and saying stuff that he knows can never be carried out because Hamas and Fatah would never accept anything less than all of Israel as part of their Palestinian state.

Meanwhile, Carl has some interesting stuff about how Olmert went about revising which Palestinian terrorists could or could not be released. It all depends on what "directly involved in terrorist attacks" means.

Anybody have a count of the number of Peace prizes given out in relation to this area?

Somewhat O.T. but one of my biggest bitches:

The left clamoring about the cost of an "unjust" war. I've seen figures that state the war is costing as much as $1Billion a day. I say bullshit.

I wish our President and the military would give us the cost of what it costs in defense if everyone of our military were sitting stateside. And then give us the cost of what it takes to conduct the war.

The real cost is the difference. The left not only have a problem with telling the truth but obviously were flunkies at math and accounting.

re: #34 swampscott

Elephant in room...ISLAM IS THE ISSUE!

islam is an elephant of peace...

You know your policy is bankrupt when the only thing you can come up with is paying FATAH to kill HAMAS for you.

Sigh...

re: #35 bulwrk

re: #28 zombie

I want my 75¢ back! I could have bought a bagel with that.

where?

There are plenty of places in the Bay Area that still sell bagels for 75¢

"Moderate terrorist" - an oxymoron worthy of George 'Why Do They Call It Jumbo Shrimp?' Carlin! It would make a good comedy bit.

I think that President Bush should get an MRI to check for brain damage. I just don't understand him anymore.

#8, 37 - Please post them here! You can be the East Coast Zombie!

re: #53 zombie
You can still get a good bagel in NYC for 75 cents.

re: #43 jtlevitsky

If I start my own terrorist organization- can I get a government grant?

Only if your organization gets its butt kicked by a more "extreme" terror organization.

re: #7 Charles

$190 million.

Charles -

$190 Million divided by about 4 million people is about $50 per person.
Problem is - if history is a guide - most of it will be offshored before it arrives.

-S-

I was in attendance at the first inauguration parade for W in 2000. I stood there in the rain and cold for 5 hours to show my support for this man. I simply cannot believe that this is the same man. I will not try to defend or rationalize this stance to support him on this. The only (rapidly becoming laughable) hope I have is that this is some way that he is trying to prove to the world that the Palestinians will never allow peace.

But I realize how this stretches credulity- so save your comments that call me naive, I'm grasping at straws here.

This may work out to just be practice for all of us. If he keeps this up, I will be adjusted to writing off any hope that common sense in this war will prevail. So, the big winner today in my opinion is Hillary. This will do more to demoralize us than anything she could possibly do.

slightly OT... one of the headlines on the right side of the page was about some post-modern-deconstructionist psychology professor from the 1960's and his theory of cognitive bias based on "correspondance." between their actions and the obvious result of their actions. It is almost beyond comprehension why anyone would claim that this is a "bias".

But then we come to the cash value of this "theory". People assume that terrorists want to kill based on the "correspondance effect"--namely that their actions do, in fact, kill. Relax, people, move along. This is just a cognitive bias that may have been useful to wild buffalo and monkeys, but it doesn't work in the "nuanced" world of homo sapiens.

The article specifically cited this "bias" regarding al queda, and laments that people don't look at bin laden's list of demands ("root causes").

I couldn't think of a better formula to sell taqqiyya to wannabe dhimmis.

i'm no dermatologist, but i think all $190 million is needed to improve all of the Palestinians unsightly facial scars. would anyone care to do some research for me and see if that's the truth or not?

Pres Bush is way off base, as is the PM of Israel Olmert and I hate to say it, but if you read the Reagan Diaries, so was Pres. Reagan. They all think that if you just give these Islamist terrorists some money and some room to speak on the international stage, they will turn into people that actively live and promote a free people that do not support the murder of children. Well, they have all been wrong and they continue to be wrong. Bill Clinton basically made Arafat a VP of the US State Dept and look what that got us and the Jews: more death and destruction. The Islamists, including Fatah and the PLO and the PA are bent on the destruction of the Jews and on controlling the Middle East and Africa and South Asia with Islamist terror. Until we kill them, that this is what they will continue to do. Pres. Bush with his sidekick, the empty suit Condi Rice, is not much better than Clinton and his idiot Sec Halfbright.

re: #53 zombie

Really, I didn't think there was anything cheap in the Bay area.

Nuclear blackmail on behalf of Iran or Al Qaeda?

Is that why we WANT to support the terrorists?

re: #16 zombie

It's actually amazing, now that I think about it, that in seven years, I barely have ever seen a video of Bush. Seriously. I watched the first speech after 9/11, and the State of the Union speech after 9/11, but aside from that I basically never watch TV news, and never have occasion to watch him online for any reason since that time.

Weird.

Not weird at all. I gave up on TV news years ago, because finding actual information within it was like panning for gold - spend 30-40 minutes in front of the tube for half a sentence worth of real information, on average? Sorry. As for Bush, his rhetorical well ran dry somewhere around mid-2003 and he's been on a downhill slide ever since. I had to watch some of the "debates" in the run-up for 2004 as an assignment for a speech class, and that's the most I've seen of him.

I got tired of seeing Presidents on TV somewhere during Clinton's first term.

I had to quit watching. I wanted to barf...

When will Bush actually see (or maybe I should say, admit to) what is going on with the ROP?

I see the hands of his father the dopey George H. W. Bush and the oily James Baker in this.

re: #63 bulwrk

re: #53 zombie

Really, I didn't think there was anything cheap in the Bay area.

Besides Nancy Pelosi.

Anyone who cares, really cares about this issue should be reading Caroline Glick, a truly great journalist, on Olmert, Bush, and Fatah in the J-Post.

Here's her article on the subject from June 18:

Our World: Grounded in Fantasy by Caroline Glick

Quoting from it:

SO WHY are Bush and Olmert set to embrace Fatah and Abbas today? Why are they abjectly refusing to come to terms with the strategic reality of the Iranian-Syrian onslaught? Why are they insisting that the establishment of a Palestinian state is their strategic goal and doing everything they can to pretend that their goal has not been repeatedly proven absurd?

Well, why should they? As far as Bush is concerned, no American politician has ever paid a price for advancing the cause of peace processes that strengthen terrorists and hostile Arab states at Israel's expense. Bush's predecessor Bill Clinton had Arafat over to visit the White House more often than any other foreign leader and ignored global jihad even when its forces bombed US embassies and warships. And today Clinton receives plaudits for his efforts to bring peace to the Middle East.

By denying that the war against Israel is related to the war in Iraq; by ignoring the strategic links between all the Iranian and Syrian sponsored theaters of war, Bush views gambling with Israel's security as a win-win situation. He will be applauded as a champion of peace and if the chips go down on Israel, well, it won't be Americans being bombed.

re: #41 Bill Jefferson

Not Palestine, Philistia. FATAH stands for Harakat al-Tahrir al-Watani al-Filastini, Philistine National "Liberation" Movement. As long ago, the Canaanites are a vile and twisted people.

There is absolutely no connection between the Canaanites, the Philistines, and the Palestinian Arabs.

Remember that the Arabs did not arrive in the region until the 7th century AD. The remaining Philistines (a small ancient tribe) were probably wiped out by the invading Arab armies. And the Canaanites were long gone.

The biggest lie in the region is that the Palestinians are somehow related to the Philistines. They are not. Remember that "Palestinian" is a contraction of their full real appellation, "Palestinian Arabs." And "Arab" is the operative word there.

In real point of fact, the current people called "Palestinian Arabs" are not even descended from the 7th century invaders, but mostly are descended from 19th-century Arab herdsman and traders who migrated over from Egypt and Jordan.

re: #67 Joel

I see the hands of his father the dopey George H. W. Bush and the oily James Baker in this.

Doesn't this all stink of them? It smells like tar, dust, and money.

Save America, bomb Yale!

Nothing like funding your own destruction. I wonder how much of that money will go back to CAIR to defend themselves in lawsuits or to bring new ones against John Does in this coutnry? Maybe Fatah will launch their own kiddie programming to rival Hamas.

re: #49 goodbye_natalie

I wish our President and the military would give us the cost of what it costs in defense if everyone of our military were sitting stateside. And then give us the cost of what it takes to conduct the war.

Don't forget to subtract out all of the "humanitarian aid", using US soldiers to build schools and infrastructure, etc.

Just the war part!

I hate the Baker Admin.

190 mil could should will buy a whole lot of Jew killing. For starters, the 250 moderate terrorists Olmert just freed will need fresh weapons.

Dumbasses.

we're circlin' the bowl I tells ya...

Liberals fantasized that giving Yasir Arafat, the Father of Modern Mass Murder Terrorism, a Noble Peace Prize, that it would magically transform him into a humanitarian and statesman.

Now George W. Bush thinks he can bribe Arafat's right-hand man into becoming a statesman.

/Cheney's conscience

It is all so discouraging. We are moving further and further away from what needs to be acknowledged and done to make this a peaceful world to live in. Our work will be harder in the future because no one in Washington has the balls to stand up to the media and the libs.

re: #60 Bearster

Nice analysis! Good to see people are paying attention to the diabolical relationship between communist academia and the traitorous media.

re: #59 NoRINOzone

I was in attendance at the first inauguration parade for W in 2000. I stood there in the rain and cold for 5 hours to show my support for this man. I simply cannot believe that this is the same man. I will not try to defend or rationalize this stance to support him on this. The only (rapidly becoming laughable) hope I have is that this is some way that he is trying to prove to the world that the Palestinians will never allow peace.

But I realize how this stretches credulity- so save your comments that call me naive, I'm grasping at straws here.

This may work out to just be practice for all of us. If he keeps this up, I will be adjusted to writing off any hope that common sense in this war will prevail. So, the big winner today in my opinion is Hillary. This will do more to demoralize us than anything she could possibly do.

I've been thinking about this too. Part of my dismay is the lack of understanding as to why Bush is doing this and this "lack of understanding" falls squarely on his and on the State Department shoulders. There has been no explanation as to why we continue to squander millions if not already billions to a small group of people whose main occupation is terror, who have been very clear clear that their goal is to drive Israel into extinction.

We should stop arresting our local murderers and give them big fat checks in the "hope" that they might behave. Same thing.

re: #30 NoSubmission

$190 million buys a lot of rubble.

That's true. It also buys a lot of cadavers, but it doesn't pay for the rebuilding and the losses families will have to endure.

'We in America understand the benevolence at t he heart of Islam.'

'There can be no greater achievement than for the US to assist in the creation of a Palestinian State.'

'Did I tell you there was an oil tanker named after me?'

-St. Condi of the Amalekites

I'm not going to wake up and realize it's not a demand that Fatah pay us $190 million to keep breathing, am I?

re: #61 bosforus

i'm no dermatologist, but i think all $190 million is needed to improve all of the Palestinians unsightly facial scars. would anyone care to do some research for me and see if that's the truth or not?

That has a high spewability probability.

Death toll from Red Mosque revenge attacks reaches 73: Bomb Attacks in Northwest Pakistan Leave 73 Dead in Weekend Violence

re: #74 buzzsawmonkey

In certain neighborhoods, drag queens are a dime a dozen.

You ain't kidding!

Bush is indeed the Jimmy Carter of the GOP.

re: #69 Edouard

I've been calling the whole diplomatic situation psuedorealism because it is grounded in nothing but a fantasy world. It's based on wishful thinking and hope that terrorists will give up trying to destroy Israel. All we've seen is that the money only emboldens them (or causes them to get lazy, in which case other more violent terrorists take on the job).

re: #81 Ginn

We should stop arresting our local murderers and give them big fat checks in the "hope" that they might behave. Same thing.

So true. This is madness.

re: #85 MandyManners

re: #61 bosforus

i'm no dermatologist, but i think all $190 million is needed to improve all of the Palestinians unsightly facial scars. would anyone care to do some research for me and see if that's the truth or not?

That has a high spewability probability.

high spewability probability? i'm unfamiliar with the term. forgive my ignorance

re: #69 Edouard

By denying that the war against Israel is related to the war in Iraq; by ignoring the strategic links between all the Iranian and Syrian sponsored theaters of war, Bush views gambling with Israel's security as a win-win situation. He will be applauded as a champion of peace and if the chips go down on Israel, well, it won't be Americans being bombed.

YET. But what happens when they run out of Jews...?

re: #81 Ginn

There has been no explanation as to why we continue to squander millions if not already billions to a small group of people whose main occupation is terror, who have been very clear clear that their goal is to drive Israel into extinction.

Here is your explanation.

re: #91 bosforus

re: #85 MandyManners

re: #61 bosforus

i'm no dermatologist, but i think all $190 million is needed to improve all of the Palestinians unsightly facial scars. would anyone care to do some research for me and see if that's the truth or not?

That has a high spewability probability.

high spewability probability? i'm unfamiliar with the term. forgive my ignorance

It's highly likely to cause the reader to spit coffee/tea/bagel bits/whatever all over the place.

I would like to see peace in the middle east in my lifetime. Of course, so did Christ...every good pope, every president, every prime minister...every single civilized bystander has wished for peace in the middle east since we knew it was the middle east. I give up.

Let's give the Jews...say...Eastern Utah (not picking on Utah here, just wanted to throw in "We could call it Jewtah!") let em move over here...hell it would cost us less than protecting them from the muslims now.

Then the Jew excuse would be gone...and surprise...they would still find reasons to kill each other but at least not close to anyone we feel we will have to protect.

re: #90 Sharmuta

re: #81 Ginn

We should stop arresting our local murderers and give them big fat checks in the "hope" that they might behave. Same thing.

So true. This is madness.

I was just blaming all this on Bush not giving me a good enough explanation but this is not true. It's actions that speak louder than words. Bush's actions in this matter has spoken volumes upon volumes. I just wasn't listening.

Freed from confinement, excited sand chiggers will soon be burrowing for warm-blooded Jew meat.

With Bushman pushing food down their throats and weapons into their sharpened claws, a killing spree will soon make headlines.

re: #7 Charles

$190 million.

That's right. Let's give them a state, and then weapon, and then $190 Million to maintain everything in a good condition:

That is how demographer Gunnar Heinshon begins his most timely article entitled Gaza is fertile ground for anger. A few months ago I wrote a post pointing out that Palestinians earn merely 10% of their keep and hence are the ultimate parasite entity. Now, Heinsohn argues that the intercine violence we are witnessing lies in an explosive demographic boom generated by that very parasitic nature:

[Link: hnn.us...]

re: #23 Iron Fist

All I can say is Kerry would have been worse. Much worse.

That is undoubtedly true. Better than Gore too.
Still the expectations were higher. Just because he was the choice over Kerry does not give him license to disrespect people who voted for him.
He did that during the immigration debate. He does not get a pass on the rules of engagement in Iraq. let the troops do what they were trained for.
But, it could be much worse with either Kerry or Gore and can get much worse with either Hillary or Obama.

re: #93 Maine's Michael

re: #81 Ginn

There has been no explanation as to why we continue to squander millions if not already billions to a small group of people whose main occupation is terror, who have been very clear clear that their goal is to drive Israel into extinction.

Here is your explanation.

Well Mike, they say a picture paints a thousand words. This one has 190 million.

Thanks

re: #84 RightOfAtilla

I'm not going to wake up and realize it's not a demand that Fatah pay us $190 million to keep breathing, am I?

Great punchline - But this ain't no Joke.

-S-

re: #34 swampscott

Are you from Swampscott, MA?

If these guys would conduct world politics with the common sense reality of the average 1960s neighborhood. Giving Butch your milk money so he will leave you and your friends alone NEVER works. Butch just gets more and more grandiose in his demands, and Jimmy's still going to end up with a black eye.

Bush urges Hamas to recognize Israel.

Maybe we should demand that Al Qaeda recognize the WTC reconstruction project.

/Yeah, that's going to make this a better world.

Oh, and that's a good thing.

USA's Israel policy, in a nutshell: "We will try to ensure you survive, but you must bleed, always, and more importantly, be seen to bleed by the arab world. In return for arab acquiescence to our policies in the wider mid east, we will shrink you down, slowly and over time, to the bare minimum than can be defended by sophisticated technology. When technology improves, we will shrink you down further. This will continue until our goals are obtained, or you are destroyed, whichever comes first."

We need new leaders.

re: #3 Carl in Jerusalem

Carl,

He lost it somewhere between the White House and State..Condi was seen leaving the Oval Room with a suspicious package, but no one stopped her.

It has not been seen since.

$0.00

I don't care what variety of death-cultist, they all need to wither on the vine.

Bush agreeing to send our money to any variety of Palestinian faction
is not only a slap in the face, it's a disaster.

Bush is a democrat.

re: #8 NoSubmission

Anyone care to bet that not one major news network will carry the story?

When does Israel finally get to the point (as they did in 1967) that they scream, "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it any more!" BOOM!

Zombie,

In certain neighborhoods, drag queens are a dime a dozen.

A drag queen walks into a bar with a parrot on his (her) shoulder...The bartender say, " where'd you get that ? "...

The parrot replies, "Over in the Castro district; they're a dime a dozen".

re: #105 ibrodsky

Bush urges Hamas to recognize Israel.

Maybe we should demand that Al Qaeda recognize the WTC reconstruction project.

/Yeah, that's going to make this a better world.

Hmas recognizing Israel? They already do. I perp always recognizes their victim...

And you'd think that a Republican president with delusions of grandeur would be able to be held in check by a Democrat congress, but Bush is drivin' that train and the DemCong are stoking the fires.

If Bush wants a Nobel Peace Prize so badly, why doesn't he just pay for the one that was stolen out of Arafat's apartment?

#70: Further to the discussion, the original Philistines were called in Hebrew P'leeshtim with the hard 'p' sound. The Romans changed it to Philistia, with the soft 'f' sound, when they conquered what they called Judea, and then it was changed to 'Palestine' by the Ottomans, IIRC. The kicker in all that is that there is no hard 'p' in Arabic; they can never be 'Palestinians'; the closest they can get is 'Falestinians' which never existed anywhere.

re: #14 winston06

A regime-change-in-Iran policy please!

Count me in on that.

The "peace conference" Bush is pushing gives the Arabs a wonderful opportunity to gang up on Israel.

In the past, they refused to participate because they wouldn't sit in the same room with Jooos.

But now they will have a chance to publicly lecture Israel and show that everyone agrees Israel is the problem.

/Thank you, George W. Bush.

re: #23 Iron Fist

All I can say is Kerry would have been worse. Much worse.

Faint praise. And, I'm not so sure about that, at this point.

whats really sickening is is that they will probably get all that money pronto while we here in New Orleans are still waiting and much of the outer city lays in ruins... and the economy here is worse than third world.

If this is part of the Bush Doctrine, then George W. Bush misstated the Bush Doctrine.

If George W. Bush accurately stated the Bush Doctrine, then he has abandoned the Bush Doctrine.

My opinion is that George W. Bush accurately stated the Bush Doctrine, but now he has abandoned it.

Or, maybe it is just the Bush Guideline.

re: #94 MandyManners

and here i thought it might have meant something bad. i was worried. (i'm still a relatively young lizard) i'm surprised mongrel didn't come back to slap my knuckles for insulting his objective outlook.

re: #88 mfarmer1

Sorry. He is not. No President in our history has sunk to the level that the peanut brain farmer has. His is the consumate Jew hater, and Israel-basher. The Billaries rank second.

President Bush just does not even make the level they are on...down in the sewer.

When GWB was elected, I thought "Oh no, a dodo."

Then for a long time I hoped he wasn't a dodo.

Can someone tell me what the definition of sedition is again? treason?I hate to sound like a moonbat, but I think this guy needs a good impeachment.

(Governer Rick Perry, your next)

Does Congress have to approve this, or is my largess at the total discretion of the President?

re: #96 Ginn

Blaming Bush? I didn't think of that. I was busy blaming global climate change.

Again- we do ourselves a disservice to not take the islamists at their word. No good will come of this.

re: #117 ibrodsky

"Peace movements" make the war worse in this situation.

Note to UN asshole, worry less about where you eat and more about WTF is going on:

UN commander in Golan 'worried by Israel's actions'

Major-General Wolfgang Jilke has a very special privilege: He can have breakfast in Tel Aviv, get into his blue Volvo and make it in time for lunch in Damascus.

"It only takes four hours," the Austrian officer says with a smile.

Jilke commands the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force, comprised of 1,300 troops who were charged with maintaining the ceasefire between Israel and Syria on the Golan Heights since 1974.
...
According to him, the Syrians have not stationed any special forces in the area next to the border that would be capable of launching a surprise attacking against Israel.

"On the Syrian side I do not notice any unusual preparations," he says. "On the Israeli side, however, we see intensive activity... Israel's right to defend itself is self-understood, but its current activities do not contribute to the efforts to diminish the tensions in the region... The actions on Israel's side are not very helpful when it comes to calming the Syrians down."

The UNDOF commander is not worried by Syria's rearmament, although his soldiers would be the first victims should a war break out.

"We must remember that the antitank and antiaircraft missiles Syria is purchasing are not offensive weapons. Syria is renewing its weapon inventory like any other army in the world. I do not view this as something unusual," he says.

Guess he isnt talking to his buddies in Lebanon right now.

Peggy Noonan on Bush
"We can't fire the President right now, so we're waiting it out."

[Link: www.opinionjournal.com...]

re: #87 zombie

re: #74 buzzsawmonkey

In certain neighborhoods, drag queens are a dime a dozen.

You ain't kidding!

The "another sado masochist for peace" sign is rich

I don't listen to Bush anymore, but of more interest than throwing money at Fatah is the insanity of thinking one can win "hearts and minds" by throwing money at the Taliban wasteland within Pakistan, as was reported today.

Bush himself is a closet truther. He can;t come out of the closet, because he knows he would be ridiculed as everyone else thinks Bush caused 9-11.

Bush suspects maybe Cheney was behind it. That's what Condi keeps telling him.

I crave a real leader.

I reiterate, Mahmoud Abbas and Fatah are about as "moderate" as a nest of rattlesnakes.

And not nearly as purty.

re: #131 bulwrk

It should just say "Another masochist for Peace"

What do you think Hillary and Obama are going to do?

If/When (Let's pray not) Hillary and Obama get power - they are going to send even more money to the Palestinians.

Arafat was Bill Clinton's best buddy.

Still, this fact doesn't excuse Bush. I am appalled by this asinine moronic suicidal waste of OUR money.

The Palestinians need tough love. They need to grow up or wither on the vine. You'd think Bush would understand the concept of "tough love". I guess he just wants to continue with the State Dept status quo.

re: #125 lefty201

Can someone tell me what the definition of sedition is again? treason?I hate to sound like a moonbat, but I think this guy needs a good impeachment.

(Governer Rick Perry, your next)

sedition

re: #134 Ojoe

I crave a real leader.

we've all had that craving for a long time my friend...since Ronaldus..

(sigh)

re: #56 NoSubmission

Fairway has great bagels..average price is around $.40. They are made on the premises.

re: #133 Maine's Michael

Bush himself is a closet truther. He can;t come out of the closet, because he knows he would be ridiculed as everyone else thinks Bush caused 9-11.

Bush suspects maybe Cheney was behind it. That's what Condi keeps telling him.

You know, normally you are obnoxious and annoying but that's actually pretty funny.

$190 million in ordinance, delivered on site.
/wish

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

lol

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He is an Austrian, and with the U.N.? Say no more.

Sorry to say, but the problem with George W. Bush is that he is simply a politician. His only "conviction" is that he wanted to be President.

He is just a talking head. A carefully sculpted image. The son of a bureaucrat. A man who thinks "compromise" means walking all over his original supporters.

He said either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. Now he is by his own definition with the terrorists.

He said that if the UN didn't act against Iraq it would fade into irrelevance. When they called his bluff, he crawled back to the UN.

He said we wouldn't deal with Arafat. Now we are dealing with Arafat's hand-picked successor and our Secretary of State poses with him under a portrait of Arafat.

International House of Palestine to buy Applebee's for $2.1 billion. I don't like where this headed. Not at all.

OT:

Trouble in some town ending in 'bad'.

Muslim students, leaders protest lecturer’s anti-Islam remarks

Hyderabad : A large number of students, mostly burqa-clad, at St. Ann's Degree College for Women in the Mehdipatnam area here protested Friday against a woman lecturer for allegedly insulting Islam and Prophet Muhammad (peace be with him), demanding her arrest and suspension. Police were called and the accused was taken away from the scene.

Tension prevailed at the college as some Muslim legislators reached the college premises demanding action against Prashanti, a political science lecturer.

Deputy Commissioner of Police N. Madhusudhan Reddy, East Zone said the police had taken Prashanti away. ''We have not yet received any formal complaint against her from the students,'' he said.

Though Prashanti tendered an apology after strong protests by students, they insisted that the lecturer be arrested and suspended from the college.

Students of BA final year alleged that Prashanti during her lecture made certain remarks against Islam and the Prophet. They said the lecturer deviated from the subject to pass insulting remarks.
The college premises was echoing with slogans like ''Allah-o-Akbar'' (god is great) and ''arrest her'' as hundreds of students gathered in front of the principal's office.

Maybe he should stay at a Holiday Inn Express? It's worth a shot...

Bush gets it about as much as Olmert does.

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey ROFLMAO! good one.

re: #153 RadicalRon

Bush gets it about as much as Olmert does.

Sadly, I agree...

Bush says Hamas must recognize Israel.

Obviously, Bush thinks that Hamas is a legitimate political party.

re: #152 ploome hineni

Finally took time to click on your jpg. I love it.

re: #126 littleoldlady

Does Congress have to approve this, or is my largess at the total discretion of the President?

I AM STANDING UP!

Anybody know? Does Congress have to approve this?

i read the first half of the reagan diaries I FOR ONE CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE SUPPORTED THE ISRAELI SOCIALISTS over M Begin and the pro capitalist likud. Except that labor would do what ever there puppet masters wanted them to do and M Begin & the old Sharon did what was in Israel interest first.

If you use the Hudhna to make your military and intell stronger and reconize it for what it is OK. but if you are a fool and want to see it as peace when it isn't. doubt there currently is anyone in the foggy bottom that can see the difference.

Frankly the donks are much worse but it is by degree.

The "peace process" continues...

(Hopefully the "wall process" will continue as well.)

The real news:

Bush Recognizes Hamas

/When will Bush receive their envoy?

re: #150 NJDhockeyfan
Here. lemmee fix that for you...

"A large number of students, mostly burqa-clad, at St. Ann's Degree College for Women in the Mehdipatnam area here protested Friday against a woman lecturer for allegedly insulting Islam and Prophet Muhammad (peacefeces be with him), demanding her arrest and suspension. Police were called and the accused was taken away from the scene."
Don't mention it...

:-D

re: #143 Ferris

Why thank you, I think.

Funny thing is, I can't recall a single posting of yours, or even seeing your name anywhere.

re: #145 jcm

$190 million in ordinance, delivered on site.
/wish

what's that...10 hammers on military contract?

:-D

The President could give me $190 million, and I actually won't hurt any Jews with it.

re: #34 swampscott

Elephant in room...ISLAM IS THE ISSUE!

Could Carl in Jerusalem please address this? Or better yet, could there be a thread on it?

Islam may be a thorny issue, but OIL is the elephant. The people on this site get so angry about Israel's political situation. Just think about this...the situation can be simplified.

1. The World Economy feeds everyone. If people are not fed, it is politics or some other issue that leads to hunger.

2. The World Economy runs on reasonably priced energy.

3. Unfortunately, OIL is the energy source of the day.

4. The countries sitting on top of the oil have two aces in the hole: they collect money for the oil, which allows them to fund Israel's enemies and, secondly, the world has to buckle under to them in order to keep the oil flowing.

5. President Bush walks the line. He wants Israel to have security, but the oil producers don't. He has to balance these contrary realities.

6. If the oil supply crashes before we can replace it in the World Economy, then many many people will be hungry and die in new conflicts. The U.S. President's job would neccesarily be to balance this situation.

7. Israel has the most technology people per capita in the world. Israel's achievements in many technology fields are world class. And Israel is small enough to field systems in a demonstration mode.

8. If I were Israel (I was there when the rockets started last summer), I would urge MAFAT mount a Manhattan project as a strategic military activity to reduce oil usage worldwide in order to reduce the influence and $$ available to the oil producing countries. It could provide as much strategic military benefit to Israel as any weapons system. Anything - durable batteries rechargeable from multiple sources, solar roofing materials, new or improved power plants, etc.

9. Once Israel demos some solutions, the rest of us can serve as the marketing department. Carl can be our on-site intermediary. Israel should do easy licensing or even put solutions into the public domain in order to speed implementation everywhere. Get the big economies off oil, including the U.S., China, EU, Japan, India, all of them. Don't allow IP (intellectual property) greed to block fielding. Count the foregone profits as military expenditures.

I am just sure Israel has enough smart people to do this. We do appreciate all your biomed research, but I would like to see *all* of Israel's S&T community focusing on this energy issue in some way. It is the main strategic change that Israel could lead that could make the situation more solid...by "Manhattan Project", I mean do it fast and do it now!

#158 littleoldlady

It will come from State Department discretionary funds.

OT: Hillary Clinton behind the firing of Don Imus?

mmm - silencing those who criticize you... - yeah - that's who we need in the white house. /

re: #168 ploome hineni

Ooookaaay, we'll go with that ;)

re: #163 Maine's Michael

I used to hang out here a good bit but haven't posted much lately. I seem to remember most of your posts being over the top condemnations of Bush and Rice (who I have no respect for). If I have you confused with someone else I apologize.

Quartet Quartered, Road Map Thwarted, Palestine Aborted
July 15, 2007 02:00 PM EST

The Quartet's Road Map has failed according to the ten foreign ministers of the European Union's Mediterranean States - Bulgaria, Cyprus, Spain, France, Greece, Italy , Malta, Portugal, Romania and Slovenia - ("the Mediterranean Ten").

Your input is appreciated. A special thanks to Slovenia.

Cartoons prompt spike in Danish Web hacks

The furor over a Danish newspaper's publication of cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed is being felt on the Internet, where hackers have struck down and defaced hundreds of Danish Web sites over the past week, according to a Web site that tracks digital attacks.

Approximately 800 Danish Web sites have been hacked since the end of January, when reaction to the cartoons began to receive widespread media attention, said Roberto Preatoni, founder of the Zone-h.org Web site.

On Tuesday, about 200 Danish Web sites were reported as hacked with many of them being defaced with messages "in support of this Islamic war on the Internet," Preatoni said. Typically between five and 10 Danish Web sites are reported hacked each day, he said.

Messages on the hacked sites include "don't ever tallk [cq] about our prophet," "[expletive] Denmark," and "Let the Muslim people live in peace [expletive]."

Most of the hackers are "posting hate messages," Preatoni said, but there are exceptions. "In some examples, we actually saw intelligent educated people who hacked and posted very polite messages, explaining what they were thinking."

So this 190Mil, can we pay it in pesos? I hear they're starting to accept them everywhere.

re: #169 RadicalRon

Thanks.

/sigh

Interesting times.

#120 Teacake!:

God bless ya if you're in that lovely city that Katrina (and our good ol Government) turned into a cesspool. That's one of the things that always riles me the most, we seem to be able to find money and aid in the blink of an eye when natural disasters hit OTHER countries - or when they just need the money for, say, some new RPGs to shoot at our soldiers - but when it comes to caring for our own, suddenly the kitty is empty. I'm not some liberal welfare-state proponent, so everyone save your indignation, but I certainly do think we could help care for our own citizens - like, oh, maybe veterans who can't even afford a place to live, and seniors who have to choose between food and medicine - before we start showering cash on other countries - ESPECIALLY ones that would blow us up without a second thought and laugh while we perish. How we can justify offering aid to some of these places - or even worse, organizations such as this, that aren't even governments - is beyond me, while our own cities crumble around us. Sometimes it feels as though the world has tilted off its axis.

re: #167 Sunlight

What new energy source would you recommend they pursue ?

That is about 10 brand news Abrams IIA battle Tanks

re: #170 FrogMarch

OT: Hillary Clinton behind the firing of Don Imus?

mmm - silencing those who criticize you... - yeah - that's who we need in the white house. /

I forget where I read about that back in April... I think it may have been WND...

re: #174 NJDhockeyfan

Cartoons prompt spike in Danish Web hacks

The furor over a Danish newspaper's publication of cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed is being felt on the Internet, where hackers have struck down and defaced hundreds of Danish Web sites over the past week, according to a Web site that tracks digital attacks.
...
Messages on the hacked sites include "don't ever tallk [cq] about our prophet," ...

Now you know what I'm up against!

How the Mohammed Image Archive has managed to survive the relentless cyber-assaults, I'll never know.

I think my primitive html code may have accidentally saved me, as there is nothing to "exploit."

On the qustion of where the money is coming rrom:

"He noted that the United States has pledged more than $190 million in direct assistance to the Palestinians, most of it already approved and that the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, a quasi-governmental unit, was making another $228 million available in loan guarantees.

Administration officials said that Bush would await recommendations from former British Prime Minister Tony Blair before deciding whether asking Congress for more."

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

You can bet there will be billions more coming down the line...

re: #22 smcg

this is not the president that i voted for, maybe he is a changeling.

My crackpot theory on Bush: Someone...maybe Tom Daschle, has been pissed off ever since he was voted out of the Senate, he has taken a piece of Bush's hair and made some Polyjuice potion to turn into President Bush...all this while President Bush has been locked in a closet somewhere since July of 03...

Other than that, I AM COMPLETELY out of ideas on How P. Bush can do what he is doing...

re: #51 Peacekeeper

You know your policy is bankrupt when the only thing you can come up with is paying FATAH to kill HAMAS for you.

Didn't we do something like that when Iran and Iraq went to war?

re: #180 ploome hineni

re: #172 Ferris

re: #163 Maine's Michael

I used to hang out here a good bit but haven't posted much lately. I seem to remember most of your posts being over the top condemnations of Bush and Rice (who I have no respect for). If I have you confused with someone else I apologize.

condemnations proved true, what?

WTF is this Ferris guy all about?

Either I'm right, or I'm wrong.

re: #27 Ferris

re: #23 Iron Fist

All I can say is Kerry would have been worse. Much worse.

Probably true but the distance between them seems to narrow by the day.

Definitely true. Bush did a lot of good before he went "wobbly", as the Iron Lady said of his father. Kerry would have been at least as wobbly, if not more so, from day one.

Hey, Georgie why not ask YOUR friends the Saudis to help their brethren?

re: #122 bosforus

re: #94 MandyManners

i'm surprised mongrel didn't come back to slap my knuckles for insulting his objective outlook.

bosforus...are you talking about me? I don't recall a conversation like this?

re: #188 taxfreekiller

Of course, the media spun that the standing ovations for Tom Tancredo were because he was the only one there... However, they completely disagree with his message...

What was that communist expression...useful something...

re: #193 perkypauly

They are. They are pressuring Bush to make nice to Hamas/Fatah.

re: #191 ploome hineni

re: #183 pat

That is about 10 brand news Abrams IIA battle Tanks

190 million seems like a lot to my pocket

it is about $1900.00 to each of the 100,000 Fatah policemen

pay for 2 months

That buys alot of flaming hoops.

re: #63 bulwrk

re: #53 zombie

Really, I didn't think there was anything cheap in the Bay area.

Anything, no. Anyone, yes.

GJ Bush...you moron.

Should've watched this before making the decision.

Well i found this interesting video. The 'show' here involved Muhammad Dahlan, one of Fatah top gun torturing HAMAS prisoners

Honestly, there is no rational explanation why it is ok to give all that money to Fatah terrorists. It's not like they gave up terrorism years ago. THEY ARE STILL COMMITTING ACTS OF TERRORISM! It makes me so mad.

On a happier note, I thought this picture of tenure-denied professor Norman Finkelstein was very amusing.

It would appear that Bush has adopted the Clinton Doctrine, which was the same as the earlier Bush Doctrine, which followed the Reagan Doctrine and was based on the Carter Doctrine. Pay them off and hope the next president can deal with them.

re: #199 bulwrk

Awesome!

Let the Circus begin!

re: #184 tfc3rid

re: #170 FrogMarch

OT: Hillary Clinton behind the firing of Don Imus?

mmm - silencing those who criticize you... - yeah - that's who we need in the white house. /

I forget where I read about that back in April... I think it may have been WND...

I think it's clear that the lef-wing media and key clinton Democrats are stomping out as much free speech as they can before the 08 election.

190 million well that should build a few retirement homes in france

A show of hands from those who are absolutely shocked by this, please.

Alan Johnston is shilling for hamass...again.

re: #185 zombie
Protect your password. Make sure it is a combination of letters and numbers as lengthy as possible. That is the #1 reason that people are able to get hacked. I have a list of 100 of the most popular passwords (plus you can do a Google search) for when I'm trying to crack something p/w protected. The number of people that use "Joe" passwords or one on the popular list is unbelievable.

Give that money to friends of Israel in Europe.

Then the EU will give the same amount to Abbas out of sheer vanity, and effectively within Europe some money will have wandered from the wrong into the right hands.

O'Riley takes on the Koskidz...
O'Reilly's Big Scoop

Bill O'Reilly has discovered that sometimes people say stupid things on the Internet. And he's going to have a big story about it tonight, supposedly.

He's decided to play David to what he imagines is a corporate Goliath, JetBlue, because they're one of the sponsors of YearlyKos.
...
So they ambushed JetBlue's CEO outside of his apartment last week, demanding to know why he was sponsoring people who are mean. Meaning they cherrypicked the worst of the comments on Daily Kos, many which were probably from GOP trolls anyway, and found a couple of 9/11 conspiracy diaries and are trying to smear the whole of the lefty blogosphere with a handful of kooks who've been banned from the site for being, well, kooks.

Let's hope Fox researchers read LGF.

190 Million
That would be a couple of miles of border fence
Or maybe a thousand school vouchers
or 3 haircuts for John Edwards.

re: #180 ploome hineni

re: #172 Ferris

re: #163 Maine's Michael

I used to hang out here a good bit but haven't posted much lately. I seem to remember most of your posts being over the top condemnations of Bush and Rice (who I have no respect for). If I have you confused with someone else I apologize.

condemnations proved true, what?

Ferris-
There was a time on this list when any criticism of the Bush administration was seen as as traitorous. Some of us, Maine's Michael included, withstood the pressure, insults, condemnations, and the effort by many who fortunately are no longer on this list to silence us.
If you want to think Bush can do no wrong, then that is your right. However, more and more people on LGF have realized that the second term Bush administration is an unmitigated disaster for the Republican Party, for the Country, for the war on Islamic terrorism, and for a whole host of issues.
I'm glad to call Maine's Michael my friend.

re: #204 Just_A_Grunt

It's very true. All revert to the same script when faced with the same fork in the road. They take it.

HMMM

A building formerly occupied by Fatah's intelligence service in Gaza was long notorious for torture and execution. Now Hamas is in control -- and is letting former inmates visit the chamber of horrors.

Yup! They definitely deserve more money.

re: #208 NY Nana

A show of hands from those who are absolutely shocked by this, please.

Alan Johnston is shilling for hamass...again.

Beautiful memories, indeed!

re: #63 bulwrk

re: #53 zombie

Really, I didn't think there was anything cheap in the Bay area.

1. Moral outrage (or BDS, potato-potateo)
2. Liberals sense of intellectual superiority
3. Derision for "middle America"
4. Anti-American sentiment
5. I could go on and on

Really, this stuff is so cheap it's everywhere, littering the streets even.

re: #197 Maine's Michael

Bubba is blinded by the oil in his eyes and portfolio, so he's scared to ask

re: #169 RadicalRon

#158 littleoldlady

It will come from State Department discretionary funds.

Hang on. That's an awful lot of pocket change!

Who are these people? Some of the names are vaguely familiar...

BWAHAHAHA! The Overseas Private Investment Corporation's investment policy:

Apply consistent and sound environmental standards
Apply consistent and sound worker rights standards
Observe and respect human rights
Have no negative impact on the U.S. economy
Encourage positive host country development effects

re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Major-General Wolfgang Jilke must not know that many of us have access to Google Earth these days.

The Syrian fortifications and armor, inside Lebanon, are clearly visible.

===

Welcome to the 21st century - Where we can fact-check your ass in seconds.

BUSTED,
R

Fatah gunmen hand over weapons

SCORES of Fatah gunmen queued up to hand in weapons over the weekend after Israel agreed to stop hunting down 180 wanted militants in a bid to shore up the new Fatah regime in the West Bank.

Under a new agreement between Israel and Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas, the 180 named militants were allowed to emerge from hiding provided they handed in their weapons, signed statements renouncing violence against Israel and agreed to join Mr Abbas' armed forces.

Gee, what a great idea. Turn in your old gun, sign a paper, then get a new gun and a paycheck. What a fucking joke.

#204 just a grunt

Pay them off and hope the next president can deal with them.

The problem is, we are paying them off in money and blood.
The lives of US servicemen seem to come cheap to these politicians.

re: #111 Judith

re: #8 NoSubmission

Anyone care to bet that not one major news network will carry the story?

I'm betting zero. That's why I went to take photos, to fill in the MSM holes.

So, how do I make a few bucks out of foretelling the future about Bush/Rice, all those years ago?

What worried me about Bush's speech is that he pronounced that a "Palestinian" state would have to be "contiguous". I'm not sure that Bush actually knows what "contiguous" means. What it really means is the bisection of Israel - a sure shortcut to its dissolution.

Bush has taken a leap off the plank. Dammit.

Okay, new idea...

OPIC has established an Office of Accountability to assess and review complaints about OPIC-supported projects. The Office of Accountability gives local communities, which may be materially, directly and adversely affected by an OPIC-supported project, and project sponsors a means of raising complaints, independently from OPIC operations. Its mandate, established by OPIC's Board of Directors in response to guidance from the U.S. Congress, is to deliver problem-solving and compliance review services in a manner that is fair, objective and transparent, thereby enhancing OPIC's mission effectiveness.

How's about the taxpayers of this country complain? We're a "community", aren't we?

re: #194 Mongerel

no no no. i'm talking about mongrel19, or mongrel91 from two threads back. sorry for the confusion.

No. 9 -- Carl in Jerusalem

"The truth is how much can you blame Bush? Can you really expect him to be more pro-Israel than the Prime Minister of Israel?"

Because Olmert is a creep that makes it okay for Bush to be a creep also?

The president of the US is supposed to have common sense and act responsibly. What Bush is doing is bad for the US, and thus a bad thing for a US president to do.

He does not have to go into competition with Olmert for Stupid Mamzer of the Year Award.

The only hope is that in both Israel and the US, the large majority of the people reject their benighted doctrines. (Any one who denies that rejection is playing fast and loose with the numbers game.) It is just taking far too long for the publics to make themselves heard.
That Olmert is no better is no excuse.

whether some else in another country does

re: #226 Maine's Michael

So, how do I make a few bucks out of foretelling the future about Bush/Rice, all those years ago?

u don't. U just get to say those 4 magical words in order...

I told you so...

congratulations. Now get busy helpin us fix this mess!

:-D

re: #227 ashan

I'm not sure that Bush actually knows what "contiguous" means. What it really means is the bisection of Israel - a sure shortcut to its dissolution.

Bush has taken a leap off the plank.

Baker and Rice surely do, and as far as they are concerned, that's not a bug, it's a feature!

/kudos to the originators of that phrase, etc etc etc

re: #227 ashan

He would probably say the US is contiguous as well.

#9 Carl in Jerusalem

That's absolutely right. What incentive, or duty for that matter, does Bush or any other American politician have to take the Palestinains to task for their self-destructive and murderous behavior when Israel has done far more to legitimize their grievances and adopt their narrative than most other Western countries?

re: #228 ploome hineni

Is that the Kiss guy, or the frumpy gay gym guy?

re: #230 bosforus

Whew! Thanks for the reply! I have been sitting over here wondering if I took some swipe at a fellow hatchling...

Stupid Mamzer of the Year Award

Oh, look Charles! Another opportunity for a poll.

re: #230 bosforus

re: #194 Mongerel

no no no. i'm talking about mongrel19, or mongrel91 from two threads back. sorry for the confusion.

I see a potential ACLU suit here...NIC discrimination!

re: #209 ec marm

re: #185 zombie
Protect your password. Make sure it is a combination of letters and numbers as lengthy as possible. That is the #1 reason that people are able to get hacked. I have a list of 100 of the most popular passwords (plus you can do a Google search) for when I'm trying to crack something p/w protected. The number of people that use "Joe" passwords or one on the popular list is unbelievable.

Not to worry -- my password is completely unique to me. it's definitely not guessable at all, but if they had one of those programs that through brute force tries every single combination of letters and numbers under they hit paydirt -- not much I can do about that.

re: #224 hous bin pharteen

#204 just a grunt

Pay them off and hope the next president can deal with them.

The problem is, we are paying them off in money and blood.
The lives of US servicemen seem to come cheap to these politicians.

And thats the problem. The welfare of our troops is placed behind possible collateral damage and politics.
The best way to end the Iraq involvement is to let them win.
Bush made a statement that we could be there as long as we have been in Korea. What about all the freedom loving Iraqis blah blah blah?
The WOT unfortunately is going to go on for along time. We need to make it clear that we will not be cowed

well, i'm off to lunch and then i've got to drive around downtown phoenix for a little while in my no AC jeep. wish me luck

re: #243 bosforus

well, i'm off to lunch and then i've got to drive around downtown phoenix for a little while in my no AC jeep. wish me luck

but..but...It's a dry heat! (don'tcha just wanna kill someone when they say that!)

re: #9 Carl in Jerusalem

One Hundred Percent.

Ironically though, if Guiliani were President, it would not surprise me in the slightest to see him be more pro-Israel than the Prime Minister of Israel, considering Giuliani's past record of extending the middle finger to Arafat, Saudi princes, etc.

Here’s an open thread to discuss President Bush’s speech on the Middle East (now under way), in which he is promising another $190 million to the “moderate” terrorists of Fatah.

Bush may be a disappointment, but IIRC Oh! Merde's govt. also is favoring Fatah over Hamas, and this may be like the Cold War, where the US supported questionable regimes rather than watching them fall into the Soviet orbit. Favoring the bad over the truly awful.

That may be an optimistic assessment.

Contiguous borders. Well, here's how to rationalize that point.

1) Gaza. That's pretty contiguous. It's one chunk of territory. No Israeli settlements to worry about.

2) West Bank. Well, this is certainly more difficult as there are significant Israeli cities and communities interspersed with Palestinian towns. Could be done, but very difficult.

3) Combined West Bank/Gaza: Nearly impossible unless you're redrawing the maps completely to enable borders that come to a point for both Israel and a Palestinian country - imagine intersecting borders like this }{ such that neither Israel nor Palestinian country is divided.

It's a cartographer's nightmare, but the diplomats think it will work /sarc

They get the money and whats the next thing they want?:

Palestinian PM: Israel must start peace talks

Mr Fayyad said that only kicking off full final talks on Israel's withdrawal from the West Bank and the removal of its settlements - leading to a deal on final borders - would restore trust.

"In order to rebuild the faith of the Palestinian and Israeli publics in the peace process, we must tackle the short term and long term simultaneously," Mr Fayyad, who is also Finance Minister, said.

Here is a peace plan for you, swim the Jordan river and you get to live.

Fuck these animals.

re: #203 POLAR WIND

On a happier note, I thought this picture of tenure-denied professor Norman Finkelstein was very amusing.

The picture is funny, but true.

re: #216 MandyManners

And he gets out, while Gilad Shalit, Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev are still not free.

I would love to see someone from hamass take that POS, Johnston, prisoner yet again, and use the well-known Daniel Pearl HY"D 'solution' on Johnston.

"Modrerate" Fatah? Insanity.

I will do more good with $190 than Fatah will with $190 million!

he's the "best " of a lot of bad options .If ever there was a time in history we needed a statesman its now

re: #149 bosforus

International House of Palestine to buy Applebee's for $2.1 billion. I don't like where this headed. Not at all.

IHOP/House of Palestine? I don't get it. I read the papers. What am I missing?

Gene Simmons is the guy with the 6" tongue that Richard Simmons wishes he had.

re: #182 Mike C.

With a username like "Sunlight", you gotta figure I'll go for solar!

However, I'd say battery systems (including logistics - installation, replacement, recycling, disposal without trashing the groundwater, etc.) are the key to the whole changeover. If we can charge the batteries from pretty much any source, with shortfalls and excess going on and off the grid (as is set up in the U.S. now, to the caterwauling of some of the non-competitive utility companies) the municipalities or industrial power companies can work together to power the grid to accommodate the big industrial users (worldwide).

So, maybe start with Be'ersheva and set it up! Technion was working the battery issue - what ever happened with that?

re: #252 buzzsawmonkey

That was actually one of the plans - either a tunnel or a bridge so that Palestinians could travel unimpeded between Gaza and West Bank.

re: #257 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Good one

Arab nations should also take an active part in promoting peace negotiations. Re-launching the Arab League initiative was a welcome first step. Now Arab nations should build on this initiative -- by ending the fiction that Israel does not exist, stopping the incitement of hatred in their official media, and sending cabinet-level visitors to Israel. With all these steps, today's Arab leaders can show themselves to be the equals of peacemakers like Anwar Sadat and King Hussein of Jordan.

If that happens, I'll suspend judgement on the evil that I believe Arab nations have become. I just don't believe it'll happen. Oslo, the withdrawal from Lebanon and Gaza have proven that the Arabs can't be trusted. But I guess Olmert will do what he will do until a new government is elected.

I've had a W bumpersticker for ages now. For the last couple years, I left it on just to tick off the liberals in my area of which there are quite a few as I live in SF. The immigration debacle was the last straw and I finally removed it.

Where can I get a Fred Thompson bumpersticker?

re: #253 Ward Cleaver

"Modrerate" Fatah? Insanity.

Yes WARD,,, the 'moderates" are the ones that wipe their swords off with an antiseptic cloth before they behead the next infidel.

Cleanliness IS next to Allahness, you know !

re: #259 lawhawk

re: #252 buzzsawmonkey

That was actually one of the plans - either a tunnel or a bridge so that Palestinians could travel unimpeded between Gaza and West Bank.

Only if we can get the Monty Python architects to design it

The tenants arrive here and are carried along the corridor on a conveyor belt in extreme comfort, past murals depicting Mediterranean scenes, towards the rotating knives. The last twenty feet of the corridor are heavily soundproofed. The blood pours down these chutes and the mangled flesh slurps into these...

re: #257 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Gene Simmons is the guy with the 6" tongue that Richard Simmons wishes he had.

what's Richard gonna do with that besides toss someones salad?

uhhh! (shivers)

so here is my qwestion: Why TODAY? where did this come from? Did anyone KNOW he was awas gonna make this speech? Am i wrong to think that the saudis (or someone) put the sqweeze on GW?

re: #244 paxnhymn

yes. very much so.re: #256 funkyfantom

the joke was lame, at best. there's not much to get. IHOP = international house of pancakes. i mustered all my wit and decided to make it stand for international house of palestin. :P

It is no longer a war on terror, it is a war on liberal ideaology based on the premise that in the conduct of war nobody's feelings should get hurt. While our soldiers are trying to mete out to the enemy what they do to innocent civillians we are stuck with this insane double standard of doing it without offending. Kill a jihadist trying to attack you with a suicide bomb vest somewhat okay, printing cartoons or speaking ill of the Koran gets you thrown in jail.

re: #251 NY Nana

re: #216 MandyManners

And he gets out, while Gilad Shalit, Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev are still not free.

I would love to see someone from hamass take that POS, Johnston, prisoner yet again, and use the well-known Daniel Pearl HY"D 'solution' on Johnston.

I went to the rally for the Kidnapped Israeli Soldiers at the UN today at lunch time. It was packed! Will have lots of photos for you all later.

How about an elevated highway, 15 meters or more above ground, 2 lanes each way, shoulders, center divider, motorist call boxes, totally enclosed in the kind of fencing automobile race tracks use so that tires and debris don't kill race-fans when a big wreck occurs. The last feature to make missile/mortar launching from the elevated roadway more difficult.

Then you could connect the WB and Gaza, and it'd probably be cheaper than a tunnel.

Here is the text of the President's speech (it's long, so multiple parts):

July 16, 2007

REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT

ON THE MIDDLE EAST

Cross Hall

1:09 P.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. In recent weeks, debate in our country has rightly focused on the situation in Iraq -- yet Iraq is not the only pivotal matter in the Middle East. More than five years ago, I became the first American President to call for the creation of a Palestinian state. In the Rose Garden, I said that Palestinians should not have to live in poverty and occupation. I said that the Israelis should not have to live in terror and violence. And I laid out a new vision for the future -- two democratic states, Israel and Palestine, living side-by-side in peace and security.

Since then, many changes have come -- some hopeful, some dispiriting. Israel has taken difficult actions, including withdrawal from Gaza and parts of the West Bank. Palestinians have held free elections, and chosen a president committed to peace. Arab states have put forward a plan that recognizes Israel's place in the Middle East. And all these parties, along with most of the international community, now share the goal of a peaceful, democratic Palestinian state -- a level of consensus never before seen on this crucial issue.

The past five years have also brought developments far too familiar in the recent history of the region. Confronted with the prospect of peace, extremists have responded with acts of aggression and terror. In Gaza, Hamas radicals betrayed the Palestinian people with a lawless and violent takeover. By its actions, Hamas has demonstrated beyond all doubt that it is [more] devoted to extremism and murder than to serving the Palestinian people.

This is a moment of clarity for all Palestinians. And now comes a moment of choice. The alternatives before the Palestinian people are stark. There is the vision of Hamas, which the world saw in Gaza -- with murderers in black masks, and summary executions, and men thrown to their death from rooftops. By following this path, the Palestinian people would guarantee chaos, and suffering, and the endless perpetuation of grievance. They would surrender their future to Hamas's foreign sponsors in Syria and Iran. And they would crush the possibility of any -- of a Palestinian state.

There's another option, and that's a hopeful option. It is the vision of President Abbas and Prime Minister Fayyad; it's the vision of their government; it's the vision of a peaceful state called Palestine as a homeland for the Palestinian people. To realize this vision, these leaders are striving to build the institutions of a modern democracy. They're working to strengthen the Palestinian security services, so they can confront the terrorists and protect the innocent. They're acting to set up competent ministries that deliver services without corruption. They're taking steps to improve the economy and unleash the natural enterprise of the Palestinian people. And they're ensuring that Palestinian society operates under the rule of law. By following this path, Palestinians can reclaim their dignity and their future -- and establish a state of their own.

Only the Palestinians can decide which of these courses to pursue. Yet all responsible nations have a duty to help clarify the way forward. By supporting the reforms of President Abbas and Prime Minister Fayyad, we can help them show the world what a Palestinian state would look like -- and act like. We can help them prove to the world, the region, and Israel that a Palestinian state would be a partner -- not a danger. We can help them make clear to all Palestinians that rejecting violence is the surest path to security and a better life. And we can help them demonstrate to the extremists once and for all that terror will have no place in a Palestinian state.

OT: My birthday is coming up. Some generous lizard could help me make it a happy one.

re: #239 littleoldlady

Doesn't stupid mamzer constitute an oxymoron? :)

I second you!

So in consultation with our partners in the Quartet -- the European Union, Russia, and the United Nations -- the United States is taking a series of steps to strengthen the forces of moderation and peace among the Palestinian people.

First, we are strengthening our financial commitment. Immediately after President Abbas expelled Hamas from the Palestinian government, the United States lifted financial restrictions on the Palestinian Authority that we had imposed. This year, we will provide the Palestinians with more than $190 million in American assistance -- including funds for humanitarian relief in Gaza. To build on this support, I recently authorized the Overseas Private Investment Corporation to join in a program that will help generate $228 million in lending to Palestinian businesses. Today, I announce our intention to make a direct contribution of $80 million to help Palestinians reform their security services -- a vital effort they're undertaking with the guidance of American General Keith Dayton. We will work with Congress and partners around the world to provide additional resources once a plan to build Palestinian institutions is in place. With all of this assistance, we are showing the Palestinian people that a commitment to peace leads to the generous support of the United States.

Second, we're strengthening our political and diplomatic commitment. Again today, President Abbas and Prime Minister Olmert sat down together to discuss priorities and resolve issues. Secretary Rice and I have strongly supported these meetings, and she has worked with both parties to sketch out a "political horizon" for a Palestinian state. Now we will intensify these efforts, with the goal of increasing the confidence of all parties in a two-state solution. And we will continue to deliver a firm message to Hamas: You must stop Gaza from being a safe haven for attacks against Israel. You must accept the legitimate Palestinian government, permit humanitarian aid in Gaza, and dismantle militias. And you must reject violence, and recognize Israel's right to exist, and commit to all previous agreements between the parties. As I said in the Rose Garden five years ago, a Palestinian state will never be created by terror.

Third, we're strengthening our commitment to helping build the institutions of a Palestinian state. Last month, former Prime Minister -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair agreed to take on a new role as Quartet representative. In this post, he will coordinate international efforts to help the Palestinians establish the institutions of a strong and lasting free society -- including effective governing structures, a sound financial system, and the rule of law. He will encourage young Palestinians to participate in the political process. And America will strongly support his work to help Palestinian leaders answer their people's desire to live in peace.

All the steps I've outlined are designed to lay the foundation for a successful Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza -- a nation with functioning political institutions and capable security forces, and leaders who reject terror and violence. With the proper foundation, we can soon begin serious negotiations toward the creation of a Palestinian state.