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NIE Report: An Exercise in the Obvious

Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 12:36:43 pm PDT

I don’t really understand why we need a National Intelligence Estimate to tell us things like this; there’s nothing here that isn’t extremely obvious: Report: Al-Qaida May Use Iraqi Network to Hit Homeland.

WASHINGTON - The terrorist network Al-Qaida will likely leverage its contacts and capabilities in Iraq to mount an attack on U.S. soil, according to a new National Intelligence Estimate on threats to the United States.

The declassified key findings, released Tuesday, laid out a range of dangers — from al-Qaida to Lebanese Hezbollah to non-Muslim radical groups — that pose a “persistent and evolving threat” to the country over the next three years. As expected, however, the findings focus most of their attention on the gravest terror problem: Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida network.

The report makes clear that al-Qaida in Iraq, which has not yet posed a direct threat to U.S. soil, could become a problem here.

“Of note,” the analysts said, “we assess that al-Qaida will probably seek to leverage the contacts and capabilities of al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI), its most visible and capable affiliate and the only one known to have expressed a desire to attack the homeland.”

The analysts also found that al-Qaida’s association with its Iraqi affiliate helps the group to energize the broader Sunni Muslim extremist community, raise resources and recruit and indoctrinate operatives — “including for homeland attacks.”

Just as obvious and just as predictable, ABC’s Brian Ross calls on the services of Richard Clarke, who spins the report according to moonbat talking points: Experts: Unclassified Report ‘Pure Pablum,’ Hides Truth.

Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there,” says Clarke, “it’s hard not to draw the conclusion that going to Iraq has created a further threat to the United States.”

UPDATE at 7/17/07 12:47:14 pm:

Primary documents are always good when the usual suspects are spinning like Iranian centrifuges. Here’s the unclassified part of the report in PDF form, all seven pages of it. (Hat tip: LawHawk.)

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1 Dianna  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:37:58pm

They always are. It's not like NIEs are anything but a digest of the obvious. Which is why I never understood the furor over them.

2 paint-right  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:38:44pm

clark yeesh

3 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:39:01pm

I'd suggest actually skipping all the spin and read the damned thing yourself. It's seven pages.

4 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:39:21pm

Senator Reid has already weighed in - since we haven't captured Bin Laden, we're losing the war. Which makes perfect sense, since we never captured Hitler after WWII. That's why we still have troops in Germany, right?
/

5 paint-right  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:39:50pm

pablum? what's that supposed to mean?

6 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:40:43pm
non-Muslim radical groups

Hmm...

PETA
ACLU
ELF
SF CHRONICLE
NY TIMES
LA TIMES
CNN
MSNBC
TEACHER UNIONS...

I could go on...

7 Idle Drifter  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:40:59pm

Gee, I think these waste too much time on estimates when what we really need are results in the form of body count, money seized, and bases of operation destroyed after useful intel has been removed.

8 joncelli  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:42:01pm

Sigh. Let me count the ways that Clarke is an imbecile:

1. Saddam had contact with lots of terrorists, including al Qaeda.

2. If they attack you, and you strike back, they will tend to strike at you again. Enemies are funny that way.

3. We're killing them in great, bloody batches over there. This bad...how?

If I weren't stressed out I could come up with more. This tools 15 minutes should have been up months ago.

9 Idle Drifter  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:42:22pm

Sweet, I'm lucky number 7!

10 Milk Toast Intolerant  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:42:25pm
“Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there,” says Clarke, “it’s hard not to draw the conclusion that going to Iraq has created a further threat to the United States.”

I can't believe he can say that with a straight face.

11 Dairenn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:42:33pm

No al-Qaida in Iraq before the Coalition of the Willing invaded? That's bullcrazy.

12 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:42:58pm

re: #4 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Exactly!
/

13 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:43:19pm

To me, the key findings are that AQ has been degraded since 2001, but may be resurgent because it's gotten safe haven in places like Warizistan and the Afghan-Pakistan border.

There's ongoing concern that AQ may try to take some of what it's learned in Iraq and use it elsewhere. I expect the Left to claim that this is reason enough to leave Iraq, but that kind of logic would suggest that fighting the terrorists anywhere is futile because they'll use their newly learned skills against their enemies regardless of the battlefield on which the war is fought.

It ignores the basic fact that a dead jihadi is incapable of any further killing. He can't pass on his skills to anyone else so it improves the security picture.

14 joncelli  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:43:28pm

Sigh. This TOOL's 15 minutes. PIMF.

15 Render  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:43:45pm

So Clarke is lying through his teeth (again)? Or is he really just that stupid and unaware of his former job responsibilities?

What was the question again?

ANSAR
EL
ISLAM,
R

16 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:44:16pm

Hey, if they want to pull out of Iraq and pretend there is no threat, fine.
Let the libs fight the war in NYC, DC, SF, LA, Boston, etc. I am getting sick of their lies and their bitching.
It is about time they actually were on the front line fighting for their country.
I will be back here in the Red State areas cheering them on.

17 Highrise  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:45:09pm
"Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there,” says Clarke, “it’s hard not to draw the conclusion that going to Iraq has created a further threat to the United States.”

I literally DETEST people who say this stuff. They sound so ignorant.

18 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:45:16pm

re: #9 Idle Drifter

Sweet, I'm lucky number 7!

But will you be number 4,000,000? ;-)

More seriously though...

This report is essentially a case of NSS*. We know that AQ wants to hit us hard, and they've wanted a repeat since 9/12/2001.

Clarke is a moron, and #8 joncelli covered it pretty well above.

*NSS = No Shit Sherlock

19 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:45:24pm

re: #10 Milk Toast Intolerant

“Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there,” says Clarke, “it’s hard not to draw the conclusion that going to Iraq has created a further threat to the United States.”

I can't believe he can say that with a straight face.

"Given that there were no liberals in America before Bush..."

20 Peacekeeper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:45:34pm
An Exercise in the Obvious

Like we don't get enough excercise already.

21 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:45:44pm

Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.

I think the UN should be moved to an Off Shore Platform in the North
Sea
. Let's see *weighting one in one hand one in the other*
"Guess I didn't want to make that big a difference in the world. Think
I'll just stay here in my country and see what I can do from here".

22 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:45:48pm
“Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there,” says Clarke, “it’s hard not to draw the conclusion that going to Iraq has created a further threat to the United States.”

There it is. THE OFFICIAL DEMOCRAT PARTY talking point.
It's our fault they hate us.

23 Beagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:47:08pm

It would be nice if our intelligence services could get beyond restating what OBL told us in his 1998 fatwa. "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US" -- Duh, he told us that in 1998.

24 Logan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:47:22pm

I concur.
By deposing Saddam's regime, the United States has managed to lure al Queda and various islamic terrorists from around the globe and can now actively engage them with the force of their military... isn't that a good thing?
I also scoff at the presumption that prior to the war in Iraq, or the troops in Afghanistan, al Queda weren't actively seeking to (and succeeding) in striking at U.S. targets and Western interests overseas.

25 Richard Romano  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:47:25pm

Yes Sir Mr. Clark, let's just stay here in our cozy living rooms while AQ continues to develop networks, one of which was good 'ol Saddam Hussein.

It was the right thing to do -- to neglect the threat that Saddam was would have been treasonous for the Bush Administration. But, facts are funny things for left wing zealots like Clark.

26 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:48:30pm
Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there

What is the name of that old theory that maggots just spontaneously formed on rotting meat, just out of the blue?

27 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:48:57pm

Richard Dickhead Clarke.

28 paint-right  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:48:59pm

re: #22 FrogMarch

“Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there,” says Clarke, “it’s hard not to draw the conclusion that going to Iraq has created a further threat to the United States.”
There it is. THE OFFICIAL DEMOCRAT PARTY talking point.
It's our fault they hate us.

isn't that what beaten women say about their abusers?

29 Capt_Faust  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:49:08pm

Clark is a tool...

He is used by many factions to get their points tweaked and tightened...

The Main Stream Media...

The Jihadists and thier networks...

The Crazed antiwar (really anti US) leftists...

Militant indoctrnating proffessors...

I could go on and on....but I won't waste my time on that asshat...


/Do not confuse Clark for the band Tool...the band has lights and a sound stage...

30 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:49:10pm

Did you see the news conference?

Fran Townsend of the NIC did a great job battling back against a swarm of wild-eyed "reporters" asking the dumbest questions of all time, one right after the other.

What a specatcle -- it was painful to watch.

.

31 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:49:30pm

re: #3 lawhawk

I'd suggest actually skipping all the spin and read the damned thing yourself. It's seven pages.

Re-posting for everyone's info -

There are only 6 pages of text. If you're in a real hurry, the last two pages are the 'Key Judgements'.

32 POLAR WIND  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:49:56pm

“Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there,” says Clarke..."

Given that al Qaeda flourished on his watch, I don't think he should be throwing around insults.

O/T
Anti-Semitism is back

33 littleoldlady  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:50:04pm

/feathers flying

How much did we pay for this document?

/feathers flying

34 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:50:20pm

re: #27 MandyManners

Richard Dickhead Clarke.


Richard = Dickhead
Clinton = Hitler...
Clitler + Dickhead = _________________ (fill in the blank.)

35 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:50:23pm

#13 lawhawk

To me, the key findings are that AQ has been degraded since 2001


There were more AQ in the US on 9/11 then were on those airliners.
I know that for a fact. Personal experience. I am not sure they rolled them all up. There were some reports by the government at the time, but not much.
That gets ignored in the MSM.

36 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:50:33pm

re: #31 Killer Tomato

Like I have time to read five pages. I have to go yell at the microwave to hurry up.

37 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:50:42pm

Like DUH, I thought, when I saw this item billed as "Breaking" news on Worldnetdaily.

38 Richard Romano  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:50:49pm

#26

That would be "spontaneous generation" refuted by Louis Pasteur.

39 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:50:56pm

Al-Qaida operatives likely to have beards.

40 brent  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:50:56pm

Given any false statement I want to make, any absurd conclusion can be made.

Brought to you by Richard Clark, the guy that brought you 9/11.

41 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:51:14pm

re: #34 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #27 MandyManners


Richard Dickhead Clarke.

Richard = Dickhead
Clinton = Hitler...
Clitler + Dickhead = _________________ (fill in the blank.)

One fucked-up child.

42 POLAR WIND  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:51:36pm

re: #34 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #27 MandyManners


Richard Dickhead Clarke.

Richard = Dickhead
Clinton = Hitler...
Clitler + Dickhead = _________________ (fill in the blank.)


RON PAUL!

43 Empire1  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:52:03pm

re: #3 lawhawk

Of which the first 5 are title page and boilerplate, and the last two look like they've been condensed from info on LGF.

44 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:53:11pm

Well sure, the unclassified portion is bound to be somewhat boring and obvious, that's why it's unclassified.

/I'm sure the classified portion is a bit more interesting

45 Beagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:54:35pm

It appears the Democrats have decided to put all their efforts into pretending there's significant differences and firewalls between groups of jihadis. It's a non-starter proven wrong already time and again, but it's better than their previous postion: nothing.

46 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:54:44pm

re: #42 POLAR WIND

re: #34 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #27 MandyManners


Richard Dickhead Clarke.


Richard = Dickhead
Clinton = Hitler...
Clitler + Dickhead = _________________ (fill in the blank.)


RON PAUL!

THAT'S RIGHT! You are the proud winner of Noam Chomsky's New book entitled ______________ (fill in the blank.)

47 Perry  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:55:04pm

re: #26 Silhouette
Spontaneous generation

48 bill-tb  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:55:52pm

Obvious to whom would be the question. Democrats seem oblivious to everything except the next election.

49 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:56:14pm
50 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:56:14pm
Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there,” says Clarke, “it’s hard not to draw the conclusion that going to Iraq has created a further threat to the United States.”

Idiot. we have killed AQ there. That's a plus.

Idiot Idiot Idiot.

51 CanadianBacon  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:56:15pm

re: #8 joncelli

Don't forget the bonus Saddam was paying the famiies of suicide murderers. If that's not supporting terrorism, I don't know what is.

52 stuiec  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:56:16pm
“Of note,” the analysts said, “we assess that al-Qaida will probably seek to leverage the contacts and capabilities of al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI), its most visible and capable affiliate and the only one known to have expressed a desire to attack the homeland.”

Say what? You mean, no other part of al-Qaeda -- say, for example, their home office in the Afghan-Pakistan border region -- has called for attacks on targets in the USA? How about their affiliate(s) already in the USA -- sleeper cells, organizers, technicians?

53 mom's no dhimmi  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:56:50pm

#42 -
So, Ron Paul is Clinton and Clark's love child?
EEEWWWW!

54 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:57:18pm

All left-wingers have the same knee jerk response to any enemy of the US:

Why do they hate us?
We must have made them mad.
We need to look at root causes...
The US created the problem like a Frankenstein monster.

See! The US created Saddam and Bin Laden. The US puppeteered and engineered what goes on in the minds of ruthless killers.
It's
all
our
fault.

/the modern suicidal self-loathing democrat party. hard at work protecting our interests by blaming the worlds problems on our very existence.

55 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:57:30pm

re: #48 bill-tb
like they used to say about Clinton....he's neither right wing or left wing ,He's only interested in the west wing

56 SusanL  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:57:55pm

re: #26 Silhouette

Wishful Thinking Theory?

57 David E  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:58:00pm

re: #46 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #42 POLAR WIND


re: #34 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #27 MandyManners

Richard Dickhead Clarke.

Richard = Dickhead
Clinton = Hitler...
Clitler + Dickhead = _________________ (fill in the blank.)

RON PAUL!

THAT'S RIGHT! You are the proud winner of Noam Chomsky's New book entitled _In Am a poser Asshole_ (fill in the blank.)
58 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:58:35pm

re: #38 Richard Romano

Thanks. I set 'em up, you hit 'em out.

(I knew the answer, BTW, but was making a point that Clarke is equally as idiotic by thinking Iraqi AQ folks just came from nothing, unrelated to other AQ, and with no prior "radicalized" thoughts before the big evil US knocked over their houses.)

59 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:58:58pm

re: #54 FrogMarch

If they didn't hate us we'd be doing something wrong.

60 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:59:06pm

Clarke has shit for brains, and so does Brian Ross.

61 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 12:59:55pm

re: #54 FrogMarch

All left-wingers have the same knee jerk response to any enemy of the US:

Why do they hate us?
We must have made them mad.
We need to look at root causes...
The US created the problem like a Frankenstein monster.

See! The US created Saddam and Bin Laden. The US puppeteered and engineered what goes on in the minds of ruthless killers.
It's
all
our
fault.

/the modern suicidal self-loathing democrat party. hard at work protecting our interests by blaming the worlds problems on our very existence.

I have had so many countless conversations with moonbats who say...THE U.S. CREATED SADDAM! We gave him weapons. We also gave weapons to Afghanistan...blah blah blah...They will NEVER concede that the Soviet Bloc was a bigger threat at the time...

62 David E  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:01:18pm

re: #60 Ward Cleaver

Will you please stop insulting shit?

63 MrMom  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:01:32pm

Coupla shots of TAQUIYYA from Clark?

64 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:01:57pm

I am not going to stay up tonight.

65 alegrias  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:01:58pm

Was Richard Clarke ever considered a serious person?
Threat, what threat?
Al Qaeda hit us throughout Clarke's career but Clarke didn't recognize those acts of war as acts of war.

Clarke 'n' Clinton sitting in a tree
beginning with the Twin Towers in Nineteen Ninety Three
wouldn't know Al Qaeda if it hit them in their embassies

66 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:02:08pm

I don't know if they called themselves al Qaeda at the time, but Saddam Hussein kept a training center at Salman Pak that included the fuselage of a 727 jet, used to train hijackers. Not to mention rumors that Iraqi intelligence had links to Ramzi Youseff.

67 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:02:40pm

re: #63 MrMom

Coupla shots of TAQUIYYA from Clark?

I think he is trying to hide such massive guilt at the ineptness of his time under Clinton, that instead of admitting the truth, his only other choice is to deny the threat altogether.

68 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:03:10pm

Clarke says jihadi
I say a body

69 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:03:13pm
#13 lawhawk 7/17/2007 12:43:19 pm PDT reply quote

To me, the key findings are that AQ has been degraded since 2001, but may be resurgent because it's gotten safe haven in places like Warizistan and the Afghan-Pakistan border.

And it looks like we might be about to pound the snot out of Waziristan very shortly!

70 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:04:04pm

re: #67 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #63 MrMom

Coupla shots of TAQUIYYA from Clark?

I think he is trying to hide such massive guilt at the ineptness of his time under Clinton, that instead of admitting the truth, his only other choice is to deny the threat altogether.

Personally, I think Clarke only demonstrates his inability to hide his stupidity. I personally want to kick him out of this country. If he's so entranced with Iraq and Saddam Hussein, he should just move somewhere else.

71 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:05:10pm

re: #66 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I don't know if they called themselves al Qaeda at the time, but Saddam Hussein kept a training center at Salman Pak that included the fuselage of a 727 jet, used to train hijackers. Not to mention rumors that Iraqi intelligence had links to Ramzi Youseff.

Yeah, I remember when Rush had that fuselage pictured on his website. MSM wouldn't TOUCH it. The MSM doesn't take too kind to truth now a days...but they LOVE TROOF!

/looking around to see where Cognito is at...duck under desk.

72 MrMom  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:05:22pm

re: #67 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #63 MrMom


Coupla shots of TAQUIYYA from Clark?

I think he is trying to hide such massive guilt at the ineptness of his time under Clinton, that instead of admitting the truth, his only other choice is to deny the threat altogether.

Ineptness.....problems with truth....Clinton administration?
(in best Mrs. Brofslofsky voice) wha..wha.. what?

73 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:06:19pm

I'm gonna post this again just because I like it
[Link: bp2.blogger.com...]

74 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:06:34pm

re: #61 Oh no...Sand People!

THE U.S. CREATED SADDAM! We gave him weapons.

Send your friends the chart for who armed Saddam.

75 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:06:40pm

re: #70 vxbush

re: #67 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #63 MrMom

Coupla shots of TAQUIYYA from Clark?

I think he is trying to hide such massive guilt at the ineptness of his time under Clinton, that instead of admitting the truth, his only other choice is to deny the threat altogether.

Personally, I think Clarke only demonstrates his inability to hide his stupidity. I personally want to kick him out of this country. If he's so entranced with Iraq and Saddam Hussein, he should just move somewhere else.

I LOVE using that on the Libs..."Don't like it...why you still here? Oh, because anywhere else would put you behind bars, if not just outright executed for your 'high risk' lifestyle of preference?"

76 Render  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:07:53pm

re: #61 Oh no...Sand People!

The Left simply does not want to hear that 90% of Saddam's military hardware was Russian and the other 10% was French.

The Left insists that it was the Taliban that drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan, a decade before the Taliban even existed.

The Left is fond of losing entire years of history. Note that the Left believes that the fall of Saigon in '75 was a defeat of the US military, even though the US military left in '73.

The Lefts classic response to inconvenient historical facts? Pretend they don't exist.

LIGHTER
FUEL,
R

77 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:08:37pm

re: #74 Silhouette

re: #61 Oh no...Sand People!

THE U.S. CREATED SADDAM! We gave him weapons.

Send your friends the chart for who armed Saddam.

SWEET...printed out. Laminating as I type! Thank you.

78 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:08:50pm

re: #74 Silhouette

re: #61 Oh no...Sand People!

THE U.S. CREATED SADDAM! We gave him weapons.

Send your friends the chart for who armed Saddam.

Heh. Schweet.

79 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:09:10pm

re: #76 Render
I believe BELGIUM was also a major supplier

80 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:09:24pm
American military forces in Afghanistan are expected to take part in the effort to eliminate the Taliban and al-Qaeda bases in the NWFP [ed. Northwest Frontier Province of Pakistan]. Shahzad says a secret agreement has already been reached to allow American troops to launch ‘hot pursuits’ into Pakistan against Taliban fighters, and American warplanes and intelligence assets will undoubtedly be utilized. NATO intelligence, Shahzad says, has pinpointed four Taliban bases in Waziristan, from which attacks against its troops are organized and launched, that it wants taken out.

Shahzad also reports that American forces are currently building a base on a mountaintop at Ghaki Pass on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, which the jihadists have already unsuccessfully attacked to prevent construction. The purpose of the base is to supplement aerial surveillance and prepare for incursions into Taliban territory.

A little more on the Waziristan offensive (the link to the whole article is in #69, above).

81 Tricky Dick  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:09:25pm

...

82 Sharku  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:09:28pm

The last two lines of that chart explaining the colors was real nice.

83 jcm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:09:53pm

When they have (not if) a successfully operation on US soil. GWB should have known, failed to connected the dots, etc...

Meanwhile all efforts to know and connect the dots are opposed by Pelosi, Reid et. al. Pull out of Iraq, know terrorist wire taps, phone records of contacts; FBI, CIA, HSD, ICE, DoD, and locals sharing info. All making the probability of a successful strike MORE LIKELY.

I see more long term threat from the enemy within.

The enemy outside attacks we lose people, and property.

The enemy within attacks we lose the nation.

84 Beagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:10:21pm

If you have access to Lexis/Nexis you can look into the connections between Saddam and Al Qaeda before President Bush took office. Time, Newsweek, everyone did stories on Saddam's links to terrorism/al Qaeda. Almost nobody denied it until it became George Bush's argument.

PBS's Frontline is a good example. They were all over Saddam and al Qaeda until the Democrats began to deny it. The "facts" follow whatever the latest DNC narrative suggests.

85 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:10:35pm

re: #24 Logan

I concur.
By deposing Saddam's regime, the United States has managed to lure al Queda and various islamic terrorists from around the globe and can now actively engage them with the force of their military... isn't that a good thing?
I also scoff at the presumption that prior to the war in Iraq, or the troops in Afghanistan, al Queda weren't actively seeking to (and succeeding) in striking at U.S. targets and Western interests overseas.

Logan -

You got it boyo - IRAQ - THE JIHADI ROACH MOTEL,
TOO BAD normal people have to put up with it during the interim.

-S-

86 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:10:45pm

re: #76 Render

re: #61 Oh no...Sand People!

The Left simply does not want to hear that 90% of Saddam's military hardware was Russian and the other 10% was French.

The Left insists that it was the Taliban that drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan, a decade before the Taliban even existed.

The Left is fond of losing entire years of history. Note that the Left believes that the fall of Saigon in '75 was a defeat of the US military, even though the US military left in '73.

The Lefts classic response to inconvenient historical facts? Pretend they don't exist.

LIGHTER
FUEL,
R

Amen. Not to mention Alger Hiss and 'McCarthyism' and Venona cables...Not a peep.

87 Tricky Dick  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:10:54pm

Boned that up. Redo!

Clarke was the chief counter-terrorism adviser on the U.S. National Security Council for both the latter part of the Clinton Administration and early part of the George W. Bush Administration through the time of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Clarke came to widespread public attention for his role as counter-terrorism czar in the Clinton and Bush Administrations.

Apparently this incompetent boob wasn't able to prevent either attack on the twin towers. So obviously he didn't know jack about counter-terrorism. Given that, I would say he's an idiot.

88 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:11:44pm

A few more things to keep in mind when it comes to the NIE:

1) Syria and Iran aren't sitting still either;
2) Pakistan; and
3) Saudi Arabia aka the Magic Kingdom.

Pakistan is going to feature prominently in coming weeks because of the safe haven status in Warizistan. That must come to an end or else al Qaeda will be able to build up its numbers and infrastructure - all to launch more deadly attacks around the world. Saudi Arabia will continue producing jihadis who operate under the Islamist banner, and the Iranians are moving along with their own plans for domination of the region - and carrying on in their own war against Sunni Muslims.

With that in mind, this article suggests that Bush greatly underestimated the rot in the Middle East; he knew things were bad in the ME, but didn't know just how far down the rabbit hole things truly have gone.

89 Perry  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:11:45pm

That really is a rather simple document, with not much content.

90 bikermailman  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:13:00pm

re: #29 Capt_Faust

Clark is a tool...

He is used by many factions to get their points tweaked and tightened...

The Main Stream Media...

The Jihadists and thier networks...

The Crazed antiwar (really anti US) leftists...

Militant indoctrnating proffessors...

I could go on and on....but I won't waste my time on that asshat...


/Do not confuse Clark for the band Tool...the band has lights and a sound stage...

They've turned out to have BDS just like seemingly all the other bands, but man, do they RAWK!

91 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:13:12pm

CMIIR, but after it had been established that al Qaeda was behind 9-11, weren't there numerous reports that al Qaeda was in ~70 countries. If that's the case, how does Clarke stand to figure that they were that dispersed, but not in Iraq?

If there were any justice in the world, Clarke would have to live his miserable days with Stephen F. Hayes' shoe permanently up his ass.

92 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:14:13pm

re: #87 Tricky Dick

Apparently this incompetent boob wasn't able to prevent either attack on the twin towers. So obviously he didn't know jack about counter-terrorism. Given that, I would say he's an idiot.

As much as I liked Bush when he came to office, he has a habit of giving jobs to friends of his that have no experience. Michelle Malkin has at least one example of this in her archives. Now Clarke was left in place because of the handover fiasco because Clinton didn't want to let Bush set up office until Gore had actually won the election via court order, but I still wish they had permanently cleaned house.

93 Render  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:15:01pm

re: #86 Oh no...Sand People!

Indeed.

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94 Bobibutu  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:15:04pm

Here is the short version ...

National Intelligence Estimate on the Terrorist Threat to the U.S. Homeland


July 17, 2007

[Link: www.dni.gov...]

NIE Key Judgments

"We judge the US Homeland will face a persistent and evolving terrorist threat over the next three years. The main threat comes from Islamic terrorist groups and cells, especially al-Qa'ida, driven by their undiminished intent to attack the Homeland and a continued effort by these terrorist groups to adapt and improve their capabilities."

"We assess that greatly increased worldwide counterterrorism efforts over the past five years have constrained the ability of al-Qa'ida to attack the US Homeland again and have led terrorist groups to perceive the Homeland as a harder target to strike than on 9/11. These measures have helped disrupt known plots against the United States since 9/11."

%u2022 "We are concerned, however, that this level of international cooperation may wane as 9/11 becomes a more distant memory and perceptions of the threat diverge."

"Al-Qa'ida is and will remain the most serious terrorist threat to the Homeland, as its central leadership continues to plan high-impact plots, while pushing others in extremist Sunni communities to mimic its efforts and to supplement its capabilities. We assess the group has protected or regenerated key elements of its Homeland attack capability, including: a safehaven in the Pakistan Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), operational lieutenants, and its top leadership. Although we have discovered only a handful of individuals in the United States with ties to al-Qa'ida senior leadership since 9/11, we judge that al-Qa'ida will intensify its efforts to put operatives here."

%u2022 "As a result, we judge that the United States currently is in a heightened threat environment."

"We assess that al-Qa'ida will continue to enhance its capabilities to attack the Homeland through greater cooperation with regional terrorist groups. Of note, we assess that al-Qa'ida will probably seek to leverage the contacts and capabilities of al-Qa'ida in Iraq (AQI), its most visible and capable affiliate and the only one known to have expressed a desire to attack the Homeland. In addition, we assess that its association with AQI helps al-Qa'ida to energize the broader Sunni extremist community, raise resources, and to recruit and indoctrinate operatives, including for Homeland attacks."

"We assess that al-Qa'ida's Homeland plotting is likely to continue to focus on prominent political, economic, and infrastructure targets with the goal of producing mass casualties, visually dramatic destruction, significant economic aftershocks, and/or fear among the US population. The group is proficient with conventional small arms and improvised explosive devices, and is innovative in creating new capabilities and overcoming security obstacles."

%u2022 "We assess that al-Qa'ida will continue to try to acquire and employ chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear material in attacks and would not hesitate to use
them if it develops what it deems is sufficient capability."

"We assess Lebanese Hizballah, which has conducted anti-US attacks outside the United States in the past, may be more likely to consider attacking the Homeland over the next three years if it perceives the United States as posing a direct threat to the group or Iran."

"We assess that the spread of radical -- especially Salafi -- Internet sites, increasingly aggressive anti-US rhetoric and actions, and the growing number of radical, self-generating cells in Western countries indicate that the radical and violent segment of the West's Muslim population is expanding, including in the United States.

95 Bobibutu  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:15:50pm

and the rest ...

The arrest and prosecution by US law enforcement of a small number of violent Islamic extremists inside the United States -- who are becoming more connected ideologically, virtually, and/or in a physical sense to the global extremist movement -- points to the possibility that others may become sufficiently radicalized that they will view the use of violence here as legitimate. We assess that this internal Muslim terrorist threat is not likely to be as severe as it is in Europe, however."

"We assess that other, non-Muslim terrorist groups -- often referred to as "single-issue" groups by the FBI -- probably will conduct attacks over the next three years given their violent histories, but we assess this violence is likely to be on a small scale."

"We assess that globalization trends and recent technological advances will continue to enable even small numbers of alienated people to find and connect with one another, justify and intensify their anger, and mobilize resources to attack -- all without requiring a centralized terrorist organization, training camp, or leader."

%u2022 "The ability to detect broader and more diverse terrorist plotting in this environment will challenge current US defensive efforts and the tools we use to detect and disrupt plots. It will also require greater understanding of how suspect activities at the local level relate to strategic threat information and how best to identify indicators of terrorist activity in the midst of legitimate interactions."

96 Beagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:16:11pm

#91 SeafoodGumbo

how does Clarke stand to figure that they were that dispersed, but not in Iraq?


They were in Germany, London, and American flight schools, but hermetically sealed from Iraq. Clarke's statement is brazenly deceptive/stupid the more you think about it, isn't it?

97 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:16:42pm

re: #92 vxbush

re: #87 Tricky Dick

Apparently this incompetent boob wasn't able to prevent either attack on the twin towers. So obviously he didn't know jack about counter-terrorism. Given that, I would say he's an idiot.

As much as I liked Bush when he came to office, he has a habit of giving jobs to friends of his that have no experience. Michelle Malkin has at least one example of this in her archives. Now Clarke was left in place because of the handover fiasco because Clinton didn't want to let Bush set up office until Gore had actually won the election via court order, but I still wish they had permanently cleaned house.

Another thing to add, what job did any of us ever take over and have a perfect handle on every aspect? Not making excuses for G.W. but in all reality having won an election that basically was going to trial. I bet G.W.'s mind wasn't thinking of the pieces of terrorism that put in place that Bill chose to ignore.

98 francisco d'anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:17:03pm

I got in a fight a couple years ago with a moonbat who'd just read clarke's book and wilson's book. he thought they were the saviors of mankind, he basically covered his ears and shouted when i pointed out everything that was wrong with their stories. By the way I have a great solution for the UN problem. we need to move the headquarters to Jerusalem. Get them away from their plush little assignments in New York and maybe they will start to see what is really going on.

99 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:17:15pm

Eh, I should be clear for any FBI officers out there reading this: by "but I still wish they had permanently cleaned house" I meant to say they should have fired all the upper-level officers from Clinton's administration and installed their own, rather than leave the folks in place.

Of course, that may not sit well with some of the FBI leadership, either.

Can't win today, and don't feel good to boot. Blech.

100 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:17:15pm

re: #93 Render

re: #86 Oh no...Sand People!

Indeed.

[Link: www.nsa.gov...]

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101 WriterMom  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:18:27pm

re: #86 Oh no...Sand People!

Venona-most people haven't got a clue what Venona means.

re: #96 Beagle

HI BEAGLE. Long time no see-everything good?

102 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:19:15pm

re: #93 Render

re: #86 Oh no...Sand People!

Indeed.

[Link: www.nsa.gov...]

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But...but...Russia is our friends...right? Maybe if we disarm...or if we give them all of our Intel they will like us? Right? Moral Highground?...right..?

103 akak  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:19:21pm
Pakistan’s nuclear crown jewels safe in military’s custody’

yup ....sure none of them believe in that fandangled jihad thingy!

/oh yeah the good jihad thing

104 WriterMom  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:20:08pm

re: #74 Silhouette

YOWZA. ME LIKE NUMBERS.

105 wargammer2005  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:20:12pm

re: #61 Oh no...Sand People!

what weapons did we give to saddam?
he used mostly french and soviet ones.

106 francisco d'anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:20:24pm

re: #74 Silhouette

Where did you get that chart? what is the source of the information. I always thought that we did arm Iraq as a way to fight a proxy war against the USSR which i find no problem with.

107 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:20:31pm

re: #97 Oh no...Sand People!

Another thing to add, what job did any of us ever take over and have a perfect handle on every aspect? Not making excuses for G.W. but in all reality having won an election that basically was going to trial. I bet G.W.'s mind wasn't thinking of the pieces of terrorism that put in place that Bill chose to ignore.

Absolutely. Having never had the job, I can't imagine how long it takes before everything starts working in the way intended by the CinC. I would guess a year, but that seems optimistic. So trying to figure out what's going on nationally is very tough. I would think it would take a lot of middle managers who aren't replaced during elections to gather the important information and pass it up. But with a lot of Clinton holdovers, I would imagine there may have been some hurt feelings about their new overlords. Could have caused some problems, and not just identifying the true threats to the US from terrorists.

108 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:20:46pm

re: #101 WriterMom

re: #86 Oh no...Sand People!

Venona-most people haven't got a clue what Venona means.

That's the problem...'The Truth' requires research...therefore 95% of publicly educated Americans have less than a 2% knowledge of History.

109 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:21:46pm

A nice loooooong list by LGF's own PierreLeGrand on connections between Saddam/Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Amazingly, all before Coalition invasion.

Don't believe him? How about CNN, who reported this in 1999

Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has offered asylum to bin Laden, who openly supports Iraq against the Western powers.

Or the Guardian

The key meeting took place in the Afghan mountains near Kandahar in late December. The Iraqi delegation was led by Farouk Hijazi, Baghdad's ambassador in Turkey and one of Saddam's most powerful secret policemen, who is thought to have offered Bin Laden asylum in Iraq. . . .

Analysts believe that Mr Hijazi offered Mr bin Laden asylum in Iraq, most likely in return for co-operation in launching attacks on US and Saudi targets. Iraqi agents are believed to have made a similar offer to the Saudi maverick leader in the early 1990s when he was based in Sudan

.Instapundit snarks that they were pre-emptive "lies" by the non-existent Bush administration to justify their war.

110 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:22:02pm

re: #108 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #101 WriterMom

re: #86 Oh no...Sand People!

Venona-most people haven't got a clue what Venona means.

That's the problem...'The Truth' requires research...therefore 95% of publicly educated Americans have less than a 2% knowledge of History.

You're being generous. 1/2 of 1%.

111 WriterMom  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:22:31pm

re: #108 Oh no...Sand People!

Hey-wheredja get those stats from? We all know that 68.3% of statistics are made up on the spot by 98% of the population.

:P

112 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:23:10pm

re: #111 WriterMom

re: #108 Oh no...Sand People!

Hey-wheredja get those stats from? We all know that 68.3% of statistics are made up on the spot by 98% of the population.

:P

Yes, but some of us are betting at making up stats than others. I've always found ChrisTheProfessor to be highly suspicious, you know.

:D

113 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:23:20pm

re: #110 vxbush

re: #108 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #101 WriterMom

re: #86 Oh no...Sand People!

Venona-most people haven't got a clue what Venona means.

That's the problem...'The Truth' requires research...therefore 95% of publicly educated Americans have less than a 2% knowledge of History.

You're being generous. 1/2 of 1%.

Sorry, just not very good at containing my conservative optimism...

114 GregInSeattle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:23:38pm
115 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:24:08pm

One of my daily headaches is that almost everything we say here is an exercise in the obvious. Or, what should be obvious.

116 MrMom  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:24:17pm

re: #110 vxbush

re: #108 Oh no...Sand People!


re: #101 WriterMom and #111

re: #86 Oh no...Sand People!

Venona-most people haven't got a clue what Venona means.

That's the problem...'The Truth' requires research...therefore 95% of publicly educated Americans have less than a 2% knowledge of History.


You're being generous. 1/2 of 1%.

Meanwhile 50% of all Americans support RONPAUL.

117 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:24:42pm

Help me! Help me!

118 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:24:49pm

re: #114 GregInSeattle

Related...

Damn!

Smuggling Middle Easterners via... hold on to your seat here... MEXICO

Then idiots like Geraldo are doing there utmost to play the 'race' card on closing the border and the MTV crowd laps it up like religious doctrine.

119 Giarc  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:25:20pm

Those who claim this is a quagmire like Vietnam have a point. What they don't realize is that this is the irresistable tar baby for the jihadists. How can any self-respecting hot head not take his crack at defeating the great satan's soldiers who are "defiling" the heart of the caliphate?

Yes, it does suck that some of our brave servicemen and women get injured and killed. It sucks more that islamofascism even exists. No, our enemy cannot be readily defeated by military action alone, yet I am sure that the talking methods of succeeding are much more effective when a realistic show of the will to use force is apparent.

120 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:25:25pm

Speaking of statistics...
could you all talk faster? I wanna be here for 4mil, but I have to leave work right at 5pm...

121 WriterMom  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:25:39pm

re: #114 GregInSeattle

Oy vey.

122 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:27:24pm

re: #106 francisco d'anconia

I got the chart from the Dissident Frogman. See his page for his references.

The Iraq-Iran war was interesting because, although just coming out of the Iran hostage crisis, America wanted to root against Iran, in reality, many of our government were silently rooting for Iran because it was a battle between American arms (Iran) and Russian (Iraq.) We traded with Iran during the Shah days, not Iraq.

Yet another hot war in the Cold War.

We did, IIRC, help Saddam out a bit by giving him maps or satelite images of the Iranian positions.

That is the sum total of the "THE US MADE SADDAM" argument.

123 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:28:12pm

Just a guess but... the 7 page summary released publically today is NOT the same report that is sitting on the President's desk. That's the one with the facts, dates & names in it.

124 Beagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:28:31pm

re: #101 WriterMom
At least it's not terrible. :D

125 WriterMom  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:28:51pm

re: #123 Kenneth

Party pooper!

126 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:29:02pm

re: #119 Giarc

Those who claim this is a quagmire like Vietnam have a point. What they don't realize is that this is the irresistable tar baby for the jihadists. How can any self-respecting hot head not take his crack at defeating the great satan's soldiers who are "defiling" the heart of the caliphate?

Yes, it does suck that some of our brave servicemen and women get injured and killed. It sucks more that islamofascism even exists. No, our enemy cannot be readily defeated by military action alone, yet I am sure that the talking methods of succeeding are much more effective when a realistic show of the will to use force is apparent.

Knowing that the past can help predict the future...can anything BUT military force change a culture/mindset rapt in tradition of war, barbarism, violence, and hatred towards others that has lasted longer than the better part of 17+ centuries? I don't think so.

127 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:29:31pm

re: #122 Silhouette
if I'm not mistaken congress passed a law allowing the sale of chemical weapon ingredients to Iraq

128 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:30:40pm

re: #123 Kenneth

Just a guess but... the 7 page summary released publically today is NOT the same report that is sitting on the President's desk. That's the one with the facts, dates & names in it.

But that's as it should be. I don't want details of how we know what we know getting out, as that may tip our hand and make things easier for the jihadis. Let's keep them as much in the dark as we can.

Now, if only the MSM understood this concept.

129 Psaturn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:31:01pm

Many folks say that Al Qada was not in Iraq until we invaded it.

Since AL Qada is in Iraq now, does it mean we should leave Iraq?

130 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:33:57pm

Heh...perhaps this will help us get out of any quagmire.....

131 Iron Fist  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:34:23pm

re: #52 stuiec,

Yeah, and that claim seems particularly stupid given that al Qaeda attacked us on 11 Sept 01. You know, before we invaded Iraq.

There really should be a death penalty for stupidity.

132 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:34:38pm

re: #128 vxbush

"Now, if only the MSM understood this concept"

VX ,, Rules of 2007 journalism

RULE #1
If it HURTS a Republican, place it on PAGE 1
RULE #2
If it's GOOD news about the country, bury it (the roaring economy,, no attacks on US soil since 9/11.,,,, ect ect )
RULE #3
If all else fails, revert to RULE #1

133 francisco d'anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:35:06pm

re: #122 Silhouette

That chart came from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institue

Not exactly Bush lap dogs im guessing. Seems like a pretty reliable source though. learn something new everyday. New theory. Ussr supplied both sides of the Iran/irag war in an effort to destabilize the region, whereupon they would sweep in from afghanistan take control of the oil fields and shut off the western supply of oil. good thing they never got past Afghanistan.

134 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:35:52pm

re: #132 sattv4u2

re: #128 vxbush

"Now, if only the MSM understood this concept"

VX ,, Rules of 2007 journalism

RULE #1
If it HURTS a Republican, place it on PAGE 1
RULE #2
If it's GOOD news about the country, bury it (the roaring economy,, no attacks on US soil since 9/11.,,,, ect ect )
RULE #3
If all else fails, revert to RULE #1

Rule #0
If it makes Bush look bad, print it in big letters and share it with all your MSM buddies!

135 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:36:01pm

re: #114 GregInSeattle

Related...

Damn!

Smuggling Middle Easterners via... hold on to your seat here... MEXICO

Shit.

136 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:36:48pm

Gah, I'm going home. Maybe I'll drink some tea and feel better once I get there.

137 wargammer2005  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:36:50pm

re: #127 mahatma coat

the chemicals were mutli use ones

138 Athos  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:38:06pm

Stephen Hayes, of The Weekly Standard, has been another who has detailed many of the pre-2003 contacts between Saddam's Iraq and al-Qaeda.

He also starts with a simple observation -

KIDS KNOW exactly when it comes--the point when you're repaving a driveway or pouring a new sidewalk, right before the wet concrete hardens completely. That's when you can make your mark. The Democrats seem to understand this.

For months before the war in Iraq, the Bush administration claimed to know of ties between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. For months after the war, the Bush administration has offered scant evidence of those claims. And the conventional wisdom--that there were no links--is solidifying. So Democrats are making their mark.

The unwillingness of the Administration to fight the PR / Propaganda war domestically permitted perception to redefine fact.....just as in the ME - many just know 9/11 was an inside job in partnership with the Zionists, or as Wretchard reminds us -

I was amused, but not surprised to learn that in a certain Islamic school in Sydney, fully 80% of the students believed that the tsunami which devastated parts of Indonesia was caused by an American nuclear bomb test.

.

In a vacumn of information, misinformation has the opportunity to be seeded and gain a life of its own.....continuously spun as being the 'truth' and influencing the uninformed and extenuating the cycle.

To many today, it's a given, even by those who know better, that Saddam wasn't involved in AQ or terrorism.....for no other reason than to obtain political power. Party subverts country.

139 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:38:08pm
140 Beagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:39:40pm

#129 pSaturn

The new DNC talking points say one al Qaeda is not like another al Qaeda, despite having identical goals, values, and overlapping memberships. The Iraqi al Qaeda, the argument goes, is none of our business. Joe Klein is floating this crap in Time/Newsweek, whichever. I knew it was a new official talking point when I read it.

141 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:39:54pm

re: #134 vxbush


AND ,, if EVERY rule fails ,,

Go interview Cindy Sheehan and/or Michael Moore

( or Charlie Rangle,, Al Sharpton,,,, Jesse Jackson ,,,, Chuck Shumer ,,, Al Gore ,,,,, 0

142 EC Marm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:39:58pm

re: #131 Iron Fist

re: #52 stuiec,

Yeah, and that claim seems particularly stupid given that al Qaeda attacked us on 11 Sept 01. You know, before we invaded Iraq.

There really should be a death penalty for stupidity.

I'm not sure it is so much stupidity as a concerted effort to re-write history. The dates are of no importance to those with an agenda to follow. Repeat the lie over and over, burn it into the consciousness of the American people, and it suddenly becomes the troof.

143 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:40:30pm

Radar indicated tornado just North of EC in NC


I've made a connection while flying Piedmont in NC, but never been drunk there.


SHIPS model says cold water will kill Cosme as a tropical storm before it hits Hawaii.

Based on a dull season to date, I'm hoping something will spin-up over the 30º waters East of BRO, but there is no sign of a circulation, and pressures are high. Shear isn't absolutely unfavorable, but a little higher than ideal. The main problem is that the Southern end of the same tropical wave is off-shore the Pacific coast of Mexico, and has a head start on organization, and will tend to disrupt inflow, and if it does develop anymore, increase outflow level shear.

144 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:40:36pm
145 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:40:40pm

re: #137 wargammer2005
ye but its not like we didn't know what they were for......not that I have a problem with this,the game board looked vastly different 25 years ago

146 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:40:44pm
147 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:40:50pm
149 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:40:52pm

re: #96 Beagle

#91 SeafoodGumbo


how does Clarke stand to figure that they were that dispersed, but not in Iraq?


They were in Germany, London, and American flight schools, but hermetically sealed from Iraq. Clarke's statement is brazenly deceptive/stupid the more you think about it, isn't it?

It's more than a little disconcerting that the "chief counter-terrorism adviser on the U.S. National Security Council for both the latter part of the Clinton Administration and early part of the George W. Bush Administration through the time of the 9/11 terrorist attacks" is this deceptive.

There's been so many frightening stories the last five years of massive incompetence and piss-poor security at the FBI, CIA, DHS, DoE, and others protecting with keeping us safe that I'm amazed we haven't gotten hit hard yet. But it's coming, and the Richard Clarkes of the world will bear a huge amount of the blame for failing us when it does.

150 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:40:55pm
151 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:41:08pm
152 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:41:16pm
153 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:41:25pm
154 Render  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:41:32pm

re: #79 mahatma coat

Belgiums arms industry consists primarily of FN-Herstal. FN-Herstal's primary output is small arms and related products.

I have yet to see or read of large numbers of FN small arms being found within Iraq.

===

Noting that if you see an AK type assault rifle with a vertical wooden forestock, the odds are very good that it was Romanian made...

I suppose I should have said Soviet-bloc instead of Russian, but after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Russians continued with their massive arms transfers and military support to Iraq, in spite of being owed billions for previous transfers. That Russian military support existed until the day that the US Army made its first Thunder Run into Baghdad.

Including Russian made GPS jammers that didn't quite work as advertised.

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155 stashiu  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:42:41pm

Clarke was out of the loop even when he thought he was in the loop.

156 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:42:55pm

re: #86 Oh no...Sand People!

The top 3 military suppliers to Saddam were the USSR (along with their East bloc clients), France and China. The US comes in at about 1.5% of the total budget. All the chemical weapons production capability was imported from East Germany. Saddam's political role model was Joseph Stalin. Soviet military advisors trained the Iraqi military.

So in that sense, yes, the US "created" Saddam. /sarc

157 Ron Paul  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:43:17pm

NRRP, Taxfree, you are stuttering.

158 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:43:18pm
159 Tricky Dick  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:43:52pm

re: #119 Giarc

Those who claim this is a quagmire like Vietnam have a point. .


UHHHH...no they don't. This war could be won easily if it weren't for the idiots in Washington and the fifth column MSM. Also, the North Vietnamese had no intention of following us home and killing us, bring down our government or converting us by the sword to some religion started by a pseudo-prophet who molested 9 year olds.

160 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:43:54pm

re: #148 BabbaZee

Fight for Muslims, too, says HOMELAND SECURITY HEAD Chertoff to NAACP

I just read the first paragraph...I had to shut it off for fear of my fist flying through my monitor...that ASSHAT is going to get us killed.

161 francisco d'anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:44:04pm

You know Im starting to realize why the battle of Kosovo in 1392 still got the Serbians riled up 600 years later. what the west does not realize is that Islam has been trying to invade Europe for a thousand years. the ottomans even controlled parts of Europe up until the 1900's when they backed the wrong horse is WWI (Germany).Milosevic was still a prick.

162 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:44:09pm
163 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:44:22pm

re: #149 SeafoodGumbo

INFILTRATION

164 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:44:37pm

re: #149 SeafoodGumbo

the Richard Clarkes of the world will bear a huge amount of the blame for failing us when it does

What steams me the most is that we'll all be struggling to survive and his kind will be safe and secure somewhere.

165 Iron Fist  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:44:39pm

re: #88 lawhawk,

If he had known how deep the rot was, as a practical matter what more could he have done? Sanctions against Iraq were crumbling, and Saddam Husein did have ongoing WMD programs. We were basically fighting a low intensity war with Iraq as it was, by enforcing the no-fly zones.

That couldn't last.

And, as much as I would like to, the American people aren't going to go with nuking the problem out of existance (yet).

There simply weren't any palatable options to war.

166 Athos  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:45:03pm

re: #127 mahatma coat

re: #122 Silhouette
if I'm not mistaken congress passed a law allowing the sale of chemical weapon ingredients to Iraq

Dual use materials were permitted to be sold to Iraq before 1991. Leftards are quick to demonstrate this as the Reagan / Saddam 'partnershp' and that we are the reason why Saddam was powerful and a problem.

However, there is a considerable amount of intellectual bankruptcy with this viewpoint.

There is the focus on this combined with the ignoring of the actions of other nations which provided greater quantities including materials clearly not dual use - but to facilitate the development of weapons. It also misplaces the blame of the misuse of the dual use materials on the US for providing them as opposed to the Saddam regime for misappropriating them, developing WMD with them, and then using those WMD on not only Iranian's but Iraqi civilians. Finally, the same leftards agitating against these dual use materials are the first to ignore all of the massive quantities of dual use materials uncovered in Iraqi weapons depots post 2003 as evidence of Iraqi WMD materials and programs in violation of UNSC accords.

167 Ron Paul  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:45:26pm

re: #154 Render

Saddam bought a whole bunch of stuff that didn't work.

168 ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:46:33pm

re: #164 Killer Tomato

re: #149 SeafoodGumbo

the Richard Clarkes of the world will bear a huge amount of the blame for failing us when it does

What steams me the most is that we'll all be struggling to survive and his kind will be safe and secure somewhere.

Richard Clarke, Bureaucrat Man to the rescue!

169 sifty  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:46:39pm

FLASH:

WATER WET
SKY BLUE
WOMEN COMPLICATED
FIRE HOT

THIS MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE US GOVERNMENT

THAT IS ALL.

170 SunCat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:47:36pm

re: #26 Silhouette

Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there
What is the name of that old theory that maggots just spontaneously formed on rotting meat, just out of the blue?

Spontaneous Generation. And cheese supposably generate mice. Nonsense

171 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:47:36pm

re: #167 Ron Paul

re: #154 Render

Saddam bought a whole bunch of stuff that didn't work.

AND , unfortunately,,,, some that DID work ( ummm,,, just ask the Kurds ! )

172 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:47:47pm
173 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:48:21pm

re: #169 sifty

FLASH:

WATER WET
SKY BLUE
WOMEN COMPLICATED
FIRE HOT
We are taking more of your money
THIS MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE US GOVERNMENT

THAT IS ALL.

fixed

174 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:48:39pm

re: #161 francisco d'anconia

The first Muslim invasions of Europe were the Siege of Constantinople in 674 and the Moorish invasion of Spain in the year 711. They've been at it, off and on, ever since.

175 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:48:44pm

re: #170 SunCat

And cheese supposably generate mice. Nonsense

Well, that part is true.

;-)

176 Outrider  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:49:20pm
I don’t really understand why we need a National Intelligence Estimate to tell us things like this; there’s nothing here that isn’t extremely obvious: Report: Al-Qaida May Use Iraqi Network to Hit Homeland.

Sometimes the obvious needs to be stated in writing in order to clarify the situation and enable the analysis to go further.

Despite the fact these reports are so obvious to most of us that keep up with this situation, the majority of Americans and, in my opinion many in Europe, still fail to grasp the concept that Islam wants to be the world dominant force and the Muslims are working tirelessly to achieve that goal by any and all means. These clueless individuals have heard about scattered terrorist attacks, but still believe they are merely random attacks. These same people still do not realize that propaganda is the leading edge of this conflict.

Suffice to say, idiots such as Clarke, Carter, et al work very hard to undermine any kind of warnings and would still ask us all to sit around the little campfires eating smores, singing Kumbaya, drinking the kool-aid and just try and get along with each other.

177 Ron Paul  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:49:25pm

re: #171 sattv4u2

NRRP, Sad and true, I ment against the coalition.

178 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:49:37pm

re: #160 Oh no...Sand People!

COMPLICIOTS

all of them

and they all report to (and Chertoff was appointed by) GWB

We have already been completely sold out, it's all a freaking show.

179 Skembo  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:50:04pm

I can't understand why anyone would take Clarke seriousely! I know that we all tend to say things that put us in the best possible light, but c'mon! This guy cast the holy grain and pisses vodka if you take his word for it!

180 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:50:26pm

re: #161 francisco d'anconia

You know Im starting to realize why the battle of Kosovo in 1392 still got the Serbians riled up 600 years later. what the west does not realize is that Islam has been trying to invade Europe for a thousand years. the ottomans even controlled parts of Europe up until the 1900's when they backed the wrong horse is WWI (Germany).Milosevic was still a prick.

While in Bulgaria, the people turn their heads left to right to say 'yes' and move their heads up and down to say 'no'. This was put into place whilst under the Turkish Yoke. This was done due to the ROP putting knives under their chins. When asked to deny their faith to become a Muslim, if the people nodded, 'NO', then the knife was crammed into there head during the nod. For fear of losing all the 'Christians' the Pravoslav Priests and Bishops put into place their own 'Taquiyya' so to speak. They changed the meaning of the nod and head shake to avoid death.

181 Bobibutu  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:50:32pm

re: #162 taxfreekiller

LittleCreek Va.?

Amphib? Be that were you?

182 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:50:34pm

re: #173 spikester

THAT IS ALL

LOL
Everytime I hear/see that phrase I always think of Radar
(from M*A*S*H)

183 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:51:23pm

re: #161 francisco d'anconia

Ending the Balkan Quagmire

184 SunCat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:51:40pm

re: #175 Silhouette

re: #175 Silhouette

re: #170 SunCat

And cheese supposably generate mice. Nonsense [of course.]
Well, that part is true.

;-)

There does seem to be a generous portion of magical thinking on the Left. You would think Islamofascism did not exist before Bush.

185 yochanan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:52:28pm

re: #165 Iron Fist

the american people will only support that option when they see a mushroom cloud first. And at that point i bet more than half of the leftist moonbats will have converted to islam. Come to think of it rosie o'd in a burka would be an improvement

186 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:52:34pm

re: #157 Ron Paul

NRRP, Taxfree, you are stuttering.

He is getting so close to his climax that we really can't expect him to be rational at this point.

187 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:52:48pm

re: #169 sifty

FLASH:

WATER WET
SKY BLUE
WOMEN COMPLICATED
FIRE HOT

THIS MESSAGE BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE US GOVERNMENT

THAT IS ALL.

/lol

188 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:52:49pm

re: #180 Oh no...Sand People!

When asked to deny their faith to become a Muslim, if the people nodded, 'NO', then the knife was crammed into their head during the nod.

Impossible. I've been assured that there is no compulsion in Islam.

/

189 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:52:59pm

re: #183 BabbaZee

re: #161 francisco d'anconia

Ending the Balkan Quagmire

The current 'Kosovo' was.
A) A chance for Bill to kill some Christians.
B) A chance to see what happens when Muslims declare Shari'a and try to annex themselves from a soverign country.

190 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:53:02pm
191 scottthecanuck  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:53:16pm

re: #159 Tricky Dick


The MSM was against the war from before day one. I remember lots of negative coverage during the build up. The Dems were always luke warm at best and started to go moon bat when Dean jumped on board.
As well don't forget the craven role France played in undermining success of the whole venture, something I hope all Americans have a long memory of.

192 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:53:40pm
193 Tricky Dick  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:53:43pm

OT

Hail the Goracle

If you're looking to book Al Gore for a 75-minute "Environmental Multimedia Lecture," the former vice president will cost you $100,000, plus travel, hotel, security, and per diem expenses.

LOL...I think it was P.T. Barnum who said it best. "A fool and his money are soon parted".

Oh and BTW...that works out to $1333.33 a minute. I guess it's good work if you can get it.

194 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:54:12pm

re: #188 Silhouette

re: #180 Oh no...Sand People!

When asked to deny their faith to become a Muslim, if the people nodded, 'NO', then the knife was crammed into their head during the nod.

Impossible. I've been assured that there is no compulsion in Islam.

/

Oops, you got me. Good point.

/sarc off

195 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:54:32pm

re: #178 BabbaZee

re: #160 Oh no...Sand People!

COMPLICIOTS

all of them

Compliciots! I love it.

/babba!

196 EC Marm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:55:06pm

re: #148 BabbaZee

Fight for Muslims, too, says HOMELAND SECURITY HEAD Chertoff to NAACP


Yeah, I'll agree with that as soon as someone can name for me the islamic version of Rosa Parks. Until then, Chertoff just went to zero on my respect scale. He's a dhimmi enabler.

197 Tricky Dick  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:55:42pm

HAHAHA

The Gore contract stipulates that no press be permitted at the event and that the Democrat receive approval over the distribution of photographs from the appearance.

198 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:55:47pm

re: #179 Skembo
"I can't understand why anyone would take Clarke seriousely!"

The reason he was taken 'seriously" was that the MSM kept trotting him out as THE expert because he had an axe to grind against the Bush admin ( especially Condi). To save his own miserable failure ass, pointed fingers AWAY from him as the person responsible for not tracking down Bin Laden, although for years prior to 9/11 it was HIS office that was charged with that task!

199 francisco d'anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:56:07pm

re: #174 Kenneth

re: #161 francisco d'anconia

The first Muslim invasions of Europe were the Siege of Constantinople in 674 and the Moorish invasion of Spain in the year 711. They've been at it, off and on, ever since.

I dont consider Constantinople Europe since its in Turkey. I also wouldnt really count the Moors in Spain either since the modern "Europe" didnt emerge for several more centuries. The real fight started with the crusades when the Muslims cast the Christians out of the holy land and refused to let them worship or come to Jerusalem. Richard the III and Saladin came to an agreement in the that ended the first crusade that allowed for Christians live and worship in the holy land.

200 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:56:12pm

re: #189 Oh no...Sand People!

It is much deeper than that but yes. It is indicative that we have taken the "wrong side" and we took it a long time ago.

That whole "war" had bothered me from the get... and I took alot of crap here and elsewhere years ago for saying so.

/Isn't it nice how Daddy Bush and Slick Willy do find so much time to play golf together for a "good cause" nowadays though?

201 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:56:46pm

re: #195 Ginn

{GINN!}

202 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:57:36pm

re: #196 EC Marm

Yes he is.

203 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:57:55pm

re: #193 Tricky Dick

LOL...I think it was P.T. Barnum who said it best. "A fool and his money are soon parted".blockquote>
That was Thomas Tusser who first said that. P.T. Barnum said something about there being a liberal born every minute.

204 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:58:28pm

What was the NAACP's response to Chertoff's request?

205 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:59:00pm

{Babba Baby!}

206 Lazarus  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:59:38pm
I don’t really understand why we need a National Intelligence Estimate to tell us things like this;

Because people have become second-handed in their thinking. Rather than observe the world around them and draw obvious conclusions that are essential to their lives, they prefer to resign them to groups of status who "do studies". They need a study to tell them that fire is hot. All thanks to Progressive education, and their philosophical benefactors, who have taught us to reject that reality exists independent of man's mind, that man's mind is capable of grasping it, and that his mind is his only tool for doing so. By selling us skepticism, they create our dependence on them to tell us what's what, and they are cashing in on that dependence.

207 joncelli  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 1:59:55pm

Oh, here's another wonderful tidbit about Clarke: Just after Bush got into office, Clarke jumped through all the hoops necessary to brief the president. This was Clarke's one big chance to communicate some important information. So did he brief W on al Qaeda? Saddam's machinations? Iran? Hell no; he briefed the president on Y2K. Jesus flippin' Christ.

(And when I get unbusy I'll find a link for that.)

208 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:00:08pm

If I were the NAACP responding to Chertoff:

Hit the road, Jack and don't you come back no more, no more, no more
Hit the road, Jack and don't you come back no more...

209 Athos  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:00:10pm

OT -

From Captain's Quarters - ABC News Report that the FBI is investigating a human smuggling ring that has brought in "Iraqis and other Middle Eastern" individuals across the Rio Grande from Mexico.

An FBI intelligence report distributed by the Washington, D.C. Joint Terrorism Task Force, obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com, says the illegal ring has been bringing Iraqis across the border illegally for more than a year. ...

The FBI report, issued last week, says the smuggling organization "used to smuggle Mexicans, but decided to smuggle Iraqi or other Middle Eastern individuals because it was more lucrative." Each individual would be charged a fee of $20,000 to $25,000, according to the report.

The people to be smuggled would "gather at a house on the Mexican side of the border" and then cross the Rio Grande into the U.S., the report says.

"Unidentified individuals would then transport them to train stations in El Paso, Texas or Belen, New Mexico," according to the FBI document.

210 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:00:40pm

re: #163 BabbaZee

re: #149 SeafoodGumbo

INFILTRATION

For someone who is an author and attended Harvard, her grammar sucks. Her use of the phrase "the Syria/Iran diplomatic proposals" tells you all you need to know about her.

211 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:01:47pm

re: #200 BabbaZee

re: #189 Oh no...Sand People!

It is much deeper than that but yes. It is indicative that we have taken the "wrong side" and we took it a long time ago.

That whole "war" had bothered me from the get... and I took alot of crap here and elsewhere years ago for saying so.

/Isn't it nice how Daddy Bush and Slick Willy do find so much time to play golf together for a "good cause" nowadays though?

I take grief from all sides when I say that Milosevic wasn't a mass genocidal maniac. If we were hit over and over and over by an 'indeginous group' with bombs strapped to themselves who systematically were killing 'Americans' day in and day out, and we finally followed the 'logic trail' to realize it was the 'ideology' of the group therefore, said group may need to be cordoned off or potentially eradicated, we potentially would do the same thing. That is what Milosevic was up against... but since the MSM spun the thing to be Serbs vs. Kosovars and not Christian vs. Muslim...no better batted an eye...

212 francisco d'anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:02:16pm

pimf

213 EC Marm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:02:44pm

re: #202 BabbaZee

re: #196 EC Marm
Yes he is.

You must not be feeling very well. I'm not feeling much outrage from "the spleen."

214 Mike C.  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:03:14pm

re: #193 Tricky Dick

LOL...I think it was P.T. Barnum Thomas Tusser who said it best. "A fool and his money are soon parted".

Fixed that for ya.

215 Francisco D'Anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:03:22pm

just about a thousand to go

216 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:03:25pm

re: #210 SeafoodGumbo

And she is the HEAD of Homeland Security for the entire state of Mass.
There are a whole lot of young Muslims in high places in out government's "protection" agencies and in also the military, especially JAG.
I have been doing research on it for a while now.

Big money buys all things in a land where MONEY is GOD.

217 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:03:48pm

re: #213 EC Marm

I am not well, it's true
LOL

218 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:04:10pm

About 1,000 comments to go before 4,000,000!

Ron Paul!

219 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:05:48pm

re: #164 Killer Tomato

re: #149 SeafoodGumbo

the Richard Clarkes of the world will bear a huge amount of the blame for failing us when it does

What steams me the most is that we'll all be struggling to survive and his kind will be safe and secure somewhere.

That's one of the reasons I wish I believed in God more because it kills me to think that people like him won't receive divine retribution one day.

I don't think there's a word for a man who will put hundreds of millions of people at risk to burnish his reputation and importance. There needs to be a word for that brand of evil men.

220 Francisco D'Anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:06:13pm

Oh how far I've come, I once wrote a paper in college on the Bosnian war and I actually cited Noam Chomsky's book on the subject. Man they really do indoctrinate you in college.

221 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:06:23pm

re: #199 francisco d'anconia

I have to disagree. Constantinople was the capital of the Greco-Roman Byzantine Empire and the center of the Christian world at that time. It would not fall to the Turks until 1453. Geographically, Constantinople is on the Western side of the Bosporus, and is therefore on the continent of Europe, not Asia Minor.

And to say Spain doesn't count because it was in the Dark Ages back then is ludicrous. All of Europe was in the Dark Ages. Spain was a Christian Kingdom when the Moors invaded.

222 RedPepper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:07:34pm

re: #217 BabbaZee

Can we email you some nice chicken soup ?

223 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:07:37pm

OT ... I am listening to a podcast of Dennis Prager where he is featuring a CBC interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali. DP gave a hat tip to LGF for the interview saying "Little Green Footballs" is one of the five most important websites on earth."

Wonderful praise from a great man.

224 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:07:46pm

re: #218 FQ Kafir

Well there's the problem right there.... there are only about 250 lizards logged on and doing all the work. Charles said there's what, 20000 registered? Come on ya slackers!

225 opnion  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:07:59pm

Richard Clarke goes with the liberal talking point de jour,that if we were not in Iraq, Al Qadea would not be there.
Where would they be?They go where Americans are to kill us.We have American troops there. Ergo they are there.
Perhaps this guy would prefer that they all relocate to wherever he lives with other elitists and practice their trade.
I think that all of us, including Clarke owe our troops a lot of gratitude for keeping these savages occupied.

226 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:08:24pm

219 Seafood Gumbo

I don't think there's a word for a man who will put hundreds of millions of people at risk to burnish his reputation and importance. There needs to be a word for that brand of evil men.

Malignant Narcissist or Sociopath, take your pick.

227 cookielady  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:08:28pm
the usual suspects are spinning like Iranian centrifuges

I love it. Rotating title nomination!

228 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:08:35pm

re: #211 Oh no...Sand People!

And General Wesley Clarke, while running for president, testified in secret at the Hague, and no one said boo at the time but me.

I can tell you this, Milo's story never changed. And any professional interrogator will tell you that this only happens when the interrogated is telling the truth.

229 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:09:18pm

re: #224 Killer Tomato

re: #218 FQ Kafir

Well there's the problem right there.... there are only about 250 lizards logged on and doing all the work. Charles said there's what, 20000 registered? Come on ya slackers!

Typical. Us One Percenters doing all the heavy lifting.

230 yochanan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:09:24pm

re: #212 francisco d'anconia

Do you have any steel for railroad rails for sale?

231 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:09:28pm
232 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:09:37pm

re: #220 Francisco D'Anconia

Welcome to the Light.

233 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:09:47pm

re: #220 Francisco D'Anconia

Oh how far I've come, I once wrote a paper in college on the Bosnian war and I actually cited Noam Chomsky's book on the subject. Man they really do indoctrinate you in college.

And yet you seemed to have escaped rather unscathed.

234 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:10:23pm

re: #222 RedPepper

OY! sure , thanks!

235 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:10:26pm

re: #225 opnion

An article in the Guardian (of all places) let it slip that there were at least two Al Qaeda cells operating in Iraq prior to the US invasion, including the one run by the current AQI leader, al Masri.

236 Killer Tomato  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:10:29pm

re: #229 CyanSnowHawk

No wonder my back's been bothering me.

237 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:10:39pm
238 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:10:50pm

re: #230 yochanan

no.... Francisco had copper mines

239 Francisco D'Anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:10:53pm

Yesre: #221 Kenneth

re: #199 francisco d'anconia

I have to disagree. Constantinople was the capital of the Greco-Roman Byzantine Empire and the center of the Christian world at that time. It would not fall to the Turks until 1453. Geographically, Constantinople is on the Western side of the Bosporus, and is therefore on the continent of Europe, not Asia Minor.

And to say Spain doesn't count because it was in the Dark Ages back then is ludicrous. All of Europe was in the Dark Ages. Spain was a Christian Kingdom when the Moors invaded.

If you're talking strictly Muslims war against Christians then yes. Europe as a continent existed at that time, Europe as a continent of organized states certainly did not. Muslims then were trying to conquer territory like they did in North Africa, The Muslim invasion of the 14th century was something entirely different i nature than that of the 7th century when islam was still in its infancy

240 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:11:20pm

re: #216 BabbaZee

re: #210 SeafoodGumbo

And she is the HEAD of Homeland Security for the entire state of Mass.
There are a whole lot of young Muslims in high places in out government's "protection" agencies and in also the military, especially JAG.
I have been doing research on it for a while now.

Big money buys all things in a land where MONEY is GOD.

Is she definitely a Muslim? I read up on her for a little while, but didn't see any mention about her being the "first Muslim blah blah blah," so I figured that she was a Lebanese Christian.

The only thing I can say positive about her from my reading is that she is more qualified than Jeff McGreevy's (sp?) lover was as the head of DHS in NJ.

(bookmarked your site)

241 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:11:34pm
242 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:11:38pm

re: #229 CyanSnowHawk

re: #224 Killer Tomato

re: #218 FQ Kafir

Well there's the problem right there.... there are only about 250 lizards logged on and doing all the work. Charles said there's what, 20000 registered? Come on ya slackers!

Typical. Us One Percenters doing all the heavy lifting.

Charles should designate a certain comment number in a future thread for the symbolic 4,000,000th poster award.

This would also stress-test the Ajax commenting system.


Ron Paul!

243 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:11:49pm

I'll have a pint of whatever TFK's having

244 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:12:02pm
245 bosforus  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:12:21pm

i though i was paying pretty close attention when Tenet came out and revealed what an idiot he is, but what do moonbats say about the chapter of his book dealing with al-qaeda in iraq before the invasion or about his letter to the senate reporting a 10 year history of al qaeda in iraq?

246 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:12:26pm
247 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:12:33pm
248 Francisco D'Anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:12:43pm

re: #230 yochanan

re: #212 francisco d'anconia

Do you have any steel for railroad rails for sale?

I run copper mines, talk to Reardon about the steel.

249 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:13:10pm

re: #226 Ginn

219 Seafood Gumbo

I don't think there's a word for a man who will put hundreds of millions of people at risk to burnish his reputation and importance. There needs to be a word for that brand of evil men.

Malignant Narcissist or Sociopath, take your pick.

I'll take "Malignant Narcissist" for $1000, Alex...

250 Athos  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:13:16pm

re: #199 francisco d'anconia

re: #174 Kenneth

re: #161 francisco d'anconia

The first Muslim invasions of Europe were the Siege of Constantinople in 674 and the Moorish invasion of Spain in the year 711. They've been at it, off and on, ever since.

I dont consider Constantinople Europe since its in Turkey. I also wouldnt really count the Moors in Spain either since the modern "Europe" didnt emerge for several more centuries. The real fight started with the crusades when the Muslims cast the Christians out of the holy land and refused to let them worship or come to Jerusalem. Richard the III and Saladin came to an agreement in the that ended the first crusade that allowed for Christians live and worship in the holy land.

Most historians believe that Charles Martel and the Battle of Tours in 732 was the high water mark of the first islamic invasion of cenral Europe. It is clear, that if Charles was not successful in this battle, that the continent would have likely entered Muslim rule and a far greater / deeper Dark Ages. Tours was one of the most pivotal battles in history.

(Don't forget that the Ottomans also had Vienna under siege in 1529 and 1683 -- the latter being the last major effort of Islamics to seize Europe by force)

Your history is also off with regards to the Crusades. Richard the Lionheart was Richard I, not Richard III (War of the Roses). Richard participated in the Third Crusade which was to launched in 1189 to recapture Jerusalem which fell to Saladin in 1187. The 1st Crusade took place in 1096-1099 and culminated in the capture of Jerusalem from the Muslims in 1099...and established the Kingdom of Jerusalem. It started initially in response to an appeal to defeat the Turks attacking the Byzantine empire and expanded into a movement to recapture Jerusalem which fell in 638.

251 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:13:29pm
252 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:13:43pm

re: #240 SeafoodGumbo

I'm pretty well convinced she's a Muslim or CNN would have written "Christian" in that article...

The absence of the word Muslim itself says Muslim to me.

253 scottthecanuck  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:14:01pm

re: #199 francisco d'anconia

re: #221 Kenneth


Kenneth makes the essential point. Muslim expansion into our turf (europe or otherwise) has been going on since 635 AD 3 yrs after Mohammed's death when the first reached Christian Syria and Palestine.

Thats right folks, some of Palestine was Christian before any of it was Muslim, and it was Jewish long before either. And the muslim element came by force.

254 missouri boy  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:14:13pm

re: #74 Silhouette

re: #61 Oh no...Sand People!


THE U.S. CREATED SADDAM! We gave him weapons.

Send your friends the chart for who armed Saddam.

Great chart... thanks for that link.

255 Francisco D'Anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:14:23pm

re: #232 BabbaZee

re: #220 Francisco D'Anconia

Welcome to the Light.

Never been a lefty, always a very proud american and capitalist, just got meandered in college a little by my hatred for clinton and chomskys book was against clinton.

256 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:14:24pm

re: #251 taxfreekiller

040

WTF, TFK?


Ron Paul!

257 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:14:52pm

Ha
I last read that book over 25 years ago and I STILL remembered the copper thing.

GANJA AKBAR!

258 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:15:08pm
259 RedPepper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:15:20pm

re: #246 savage_nation

Who is John Galt?

I'm so glad you asked that question!

/(now I don't have to ...)

260 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:15:43pm
261 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:15:50pm
262 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:15:52pm

re: #235 Kenneth

re: #225 opnion

An article in the Guardian (of all places) let it slip that there were at least two Al Qaeda cells operating in Iraq prior to the US invasion, including the one run by the current AQI leader, al Masri.

Yes, well, we're not supposed to know that, even though we do. We're supposed to pretend that several high ranking Al-Quaedan's had vacation villas in Bagdad under Saddam's regime and that after 9/11 Syria "arrested" members of Al-Queda in their country, one of them a son of Bin Laden who it was reported was released and who then went to the border of Syria/Iraq to recruit for new members.

But we're not supposed to pay attention to these details.

263 TimeQuake  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:16:19pm
"We assess that other, non-Muslim terrorist groups -- often referred to as "single-issue" groups by the FBI -- probably will conduct attacks over the next three years given their violent histories, but we assess this violence is likely to be on a small scale."

Who are the "single-issue" groups?

264 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:16:22pm
265 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:16:57pm

It would be funny if Charles does a Ron Paul themed thread to get us over 4,000,000.

266 Beagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:17:02pm

Saudi Arabia is occupied Jewish territory -- if you like flipping their arguments.

267 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:17:11pm
268 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:17:17pm
269 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:17:21pm

re: #266 Beagle

AMEN

270 yochanan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:17:40pm

re: #248 Francisco D'Anconia


reardon is up in the mountians was thinking of moving up there

271 rw in san diego  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:17:48pm

I haven't been here too much this past week or more and I notice that when I refresh there's a momentary hangup and then the process continues. Is this to be expected with all the changes that Charles has made or is it just my computer?

272 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:18:20pm
273 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:19:03pm
274 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:19:04pm

Look, if we're going to argue over who was where first then we should go back to Mesopotamia, it's only fair.

275 RedPepper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:19:11pm

re: #250 Athos

Deus vult! (God wills it!)

276 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:19:52pm
277 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:20:05pm
278 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:20:09pm

re: #276 taxfreekiller


miss

279 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:20:12pm

re: #252 BabbaZee

re: #240 SeafoodGumbo

I'm pretty well convinced she's a Muslim or CNN would have written "Christian" in that article...

The absence of the word Muslim itself says Muslim to me.

Looks like she's Christian, but her policies and attitudes mean that she might as well be Muslim.

She eventually became an adviser to Attorney General Janet Reno ’63, and in that role she pushed Reno to re-examine the detention policies. She was also the only Arab-American member of the National Commission on Terrorism, formed after the bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania (her appointment caused some dismay among Muslim-American leaders, who pointed out that Kayyem is Christian, not Muslim).
280 scottthecanuck  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:20:20pm

re: #266 Beagle

not neccessary, there is already a 1 in 6 chance "Ron Paul!" will be the quad-millionth comment.

281 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:20:21pm
282 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:20:36pm

re: #263 TimeQuake

"We assess that other, non-Muslim terrorist groups -- often referred to as "single-issue" groups by the FBI -- probably will conduct attacks over the next three years given their violent histories, but we assess this violence is likely to be on a small scale."

Who are the "single-issue" groups?

Those who oppose abortion?

283 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:20:36pm
284 Francisco D'Anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:20:38pm

re: #250 Athos

Of course your right, Richard I was on the third crusade and yes the battle of Tours was a dramatic moment for western civilization. I'll go back to my original point. Europe has been under siege from these assholes for centuries, now they are trying to accomplish through open immigration what they never could fully achieve militarily. Europe has forgotten its history and brought the Trojan Horse inside the gates. Although that doesnt really work either, at least the Trojans thought the Horse was a gift as a sign of surrender, the modern muslim immigrants make no such false claim of being amicable.

285 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:20:38pm
286 SlartyBartfast  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:20:42pm

re: #17 Highrise

(And, including Milk Toast Intolerant's similar quote...)

It seems a case of an entire group starting to believe their own lies. As I've mentioned before:

The truth was erased,
The erasure was forgotten,
The lie became the truth.


OT, I'm pleased just to be logged in when LGF crosses 4M.

Congrats, Charles. It's the best site on the internet.

287 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:21:06pm
288 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:21:22pm

re: #239 Francisco D'Anconia

Parts of Europe may not have been "organized states" as you put it, but many parts of Europe were. Byzantium certainly was, and Constantinople was the greatest city in Europe. At the time of the Moorish invasion Spain was ruled by a collection of Visigoth Kings. Eras of peace and war floated across Europe for centuries, borders & kingdons changed, so what? Are you saying Europe didn't exist until the EU was formed? These people were European. The land they lived on was Europe. They spoke languages with common European roots (Latin, Greek & Germanic). To say Europe wasn't Europe then is pointless.

289 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:21:23pm

re: #279 SeafoodGumbo

Taqiyya and kitman are not out of the question. I would not be so certain.


4 millionth?

LOL!

Behold! Verily I say unto you that the Islamic Beast will ride the Gramscian Whore straight into the Abomination that Causes Desolation. ~ The Scroll of the Outraged Spleen, 18:18

290 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:21:32pm
291 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:22:00pm

re: #284 Francisco D'Anconia

re: #250 Athos

Of course your right, Richard I was on the third crusade and yes the battle of Tours was a dramatic moment for western civilization. I'll go back to my original point. Europe has been under siege from these assholes for centuries, now they are trying to accomplish through open immigration what they never could fully achieve militarily. Europe has forgotten its history and brought the Trojan Horse inside the gates. Although that doesnt really work either, at least the Trojans thought the Horse was a gift as a sign of surrender, the modern muslim immigrants make no such false claim of being amicable.

Quite brilliant too.

292 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:22:05pm

.

293 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:22:10pm
294 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:22:18pm
295 Beagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:22:21pm

And the best part: the theft of Saudi Arabia by the Muslims is all in their Qur'an and ahadith collections. Next time some Islamist/useful idiot tells you about the Ok-u-pay-shun, ask whether they're talking about the Arab occupation of Saudi Arabia.

/and watch their little brains explode!

Banu Qurayza - learn it, know it, tell about it.

296 Fritz_Katz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:22:26pm

re: #69 eschew_obfuscation

#13 lawhawk 7/17/2007 12:43:19 pm PDT reply quote
To me, the key findings are that AQ has been degraded since 2001, but may be resurgent because it's gotten safe haven in places like Warizistan and the Afghan-Pakistan border.

And it looks like we might be about to pound the snot out of Waziristan very shortly!

Actually, it looks like China may be about to pound the snot out of Waziristan. I wonder what the US will do if China attacks that lawless region of Pakistan?

297 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:22:39pm

Judah is that a circa 1979 microdot?

298 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:22:42pm

OT: New Ayaan Hirsi Ali interview 'On the Map' with Avi Lewis.

Anti-American, Islam-boosting schmuck Avi Lewis tries to ridicule her but instead is shown up as an example of the ignorance and perversity of those who are born into freedom but don't appreciate or value it as they should.

Lewis: "Is there a school where they teach you these American cliches?" Ali to anti-American Lewis: "You grew up in freedom and you can spit on Freedom."

299 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:22:45pm
300 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:22:48pm
301 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:22:52pm

re: #289 BabbaZee

Behold! Verily I say unto you that the Islamic Beast will ride the Gramscian Whore straight into the Abomination that Causes Desolation. ~ The Scroll of the Outraged Spleen, 18:18

Amen Sister!

302 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:22:57pm
303 Terp Mole  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:23:10pm

Kaddafi's hostage extortionists accept blood money to lift death sentences-- but keep their hostages;

Libya lifts death sentences on medics in HIV case

Libya lifted death sentences on Tuesday against five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor convicted of deliberately infecting children with HIV, paving the way for them to be freed after eight years in jail.

The ruling by Libya's highest judicial body, made possible by a financial settlement of $1 million each to the 460 HIV victims' families, fell short of a hoped-for pardon for the medics, who insist they are innocent.

"The High Judicial Council decided to commute the death sentences against the five Bulgarian nurses and the Palestinian doctor to life-imprisonment terms," the judicial body said in a statement.

What could possibly motivate holding the hostages any longer?

Bomber's fate 'up for discussion'

The Lockerbie bomber has not been excluded from a possible deal on prisoner transfers between the UK and Libya, according to Jack Straw.

... stay tuned.

304 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:23:12pm
305 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:23:13pm
306 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:23:23pm
307 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:23:33pm
308 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:23:38pm

Anagram for Ronald Ernest Paul is

Darn Anus Pee Troll

Ron Paul!

309 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:24:14pm

Silly wabbits, the 4 millionth comment is for the Spleen

310 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:24:19pm
311 RedPepper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:24:23pm

Frisco #284:

"Europe has forgotten its history. "

Also: its religion, its culture, how to reproduce ...

/s

312 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:24:26pm
313 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:24:44pm
314 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:24:51pm

re: #311 RedPepper

and it's GOD

315 SlartyBartfast  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:24:54pm

re: #308 FQ Kafir

Anagram for Ronald Ernest Paul is

Darn Anus Pee Troll

Ron Paul!

Funny, but you apparently have 'way too much time on your hands...

316 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:24:57pm

re: #284 Francisco D'Anconia

On that you'll get no argument.

317 Beagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:25:00pm

Geez tfk, you're not going to do that 900 more times are you?

318 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:25:01pm

re: #297 BabbaZee#
ask tfk about the microdot

319 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:25:04pm

Hello! You guys still have to post another 800 + comments to reach 4 million.

320 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:25:24pm

re: #315 SlartyBartfast

Very true!

321 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:25:36pm

re: #318 mahatma coat

TFK is au natural. LOL.

322 rw in san diego  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:25:46pm

You guys really need some remedial work in addition and subtraction!

323 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:25:46pm
324 EC Marm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:25:47pm

re: #313 savage_nation

oh CRAP! I can't add for shit!

DOH!


Not only that, you don't know the difference between addition and subtraction!

/snark

325 Bobibutu  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:25:53pm

re: #313 savage_nation

oh CRAP! I can't add for shit!

DOH!

Add or subtract? ;-)

326 scottthecanuck  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:25:57pm

thats one small comment for a man, one giant leap for LGF

327 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:26:03pm
328 Dustoff-507  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:26:14pm

WOW!

329 SlartyBartfast  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:26:28pm

This is hardly the last bastion of Schoolhouse Rock, is it?

330 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:26:32pm

I'm just going to sit back and let TFK have the 4Mil spot.

331 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:26:42pm
332 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:26:44pm

re: #315 SlartyBartfast

re: #308 FQ Kafir

Anagram for Ronald Ernest Paul is

Darn Anus Pee Troll

Ron Paul!

Funny, but you apparently have 'way too much time on your hands...

This site make it much easier, though.

Ron Paul!

333 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:26:53pm

re: #322 rw in san diego

You guys really need some remedial work in addition and subtraction!

LOL!

334 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:27:23pm

re: #321 BabbaZee
and more power to him .....go tfk go.....our resident dadaist

335 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:27:23pm

re: #323 savage_nation

Mescaline. Purple Microdot.
Very big in the Bronx in 1979.
I think I was listening to this then

336 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:27:27pm
337 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:27:29pm
338 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:27:31pm
339 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:27:54pm

re: #322 rw in san diego

Yes,yes they do.

340 Mike C.  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:28:27pm

There's hundreds of comments left to go, folks. For those who didn't see it early, Charles stated that the left column counter was the accurate way to judge.

341 scottthecanuck  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:28:31pm

re: #332 FQ Kafir

Ron Paul is Lunar Op

342 Dad O' Blondes  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:28:40pm

Christian Toys

This is great!

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Can we get a Jesus Christ VS Mohammed, rock'em sock'em robot version?

Clash of the Titans!

343 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:28:44pm

re: #338 song_and_dance_man

All of the above, yup!

344 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:28:49pm

C'mon Babba.

THIS would be 1979:

.

345 SlartyBartfast  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:29:01pm

re: #332 FQ Kafir

Yep. I love technology. And, I don't even care that Al Gore invented the internet...

346 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:29:03pm

re: #329 SlartyBartfast

This is hardly the last bastion of Schoolhouse Rock, is it?

I beg your pardon. I can quote SHR at the drop of a hat.

;-)

347 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:29:16pm

re: #335 BabbaZee
in Ontario it was acid ...

348 Francisco D'Anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:29:18pm

things are going much faster now, as for europe forgetting its culture i blame the european philosophers. where once there was John Locke and Hobbs and Kant, now they get Marx and the post-modernists.

349 Bobibutu  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:29:20pm

3,999,144

350 RedPepper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:29:22pm

re: #314 BabbaZee

re: #311 RedPepper

and it's GOD

Well, i did say religion ... so, to the extent their religion was about GOD to begin with ... of course, that part's arguable ...

351 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:29:31pm

re: #340 Mike C.

He said it would be hard to pin down the 4,000,000th comment, so why not pick a comment number in one of the threads which will be the winner?


Ron Paul!

352 Athos  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:29:49pm

re: #316 Kenneth

re: #284 Francisco D'Anconia

On that you'll get no argument.

Seconded.

353 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:29:51pm

re: #344 Ben Hur

LOL

354 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:29:52pm

re: #346 Silhouette

re: #329 SlartyBartfast

This is hardly the last bastion of Schoolhouse Rock, is it?

I beg your pardon. I can quote SHR at the drop of a hat.

;-)

Ah, the great, great media of the 70's. One of the few things in television that was worthy!

356 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:30:26pm
357 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:30:33pm

To some of us it would appear that a news flash that W was caught
with Wet Willy and Monicanudo red bottomed in a threesome means less
that waiting around to see who will be 4,000,000.

358 Francisco D'Anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:30:39pm

re: #342 Dad O' Blondes

Christian Toys

This is great!

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Can we get a Jesus Christ VS Mohammed, rock'em sock'em robot version?

Clash of the Titans!

One was the son of god, the other a child molester, I know who im betting on.

359 meMarc  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:30:39pm
360 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:30:50pm

re: #350 RedPepper

of course, that part's arguable ...


;~}

ya especially by me, LOL

I'll be back in a half hour or so.

Don't go to 4 million without me

361 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:31:02pm

Will the 12th imam crawl out of his hole when we reach 4,000,000?

362 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:31:06pm

re: #298 Jimmah

Avi Lewis' father is the former leader of the Canadian NDP, Stephen Lewis. His father was a Communist turned NDPer, David Lewis (originally a Jewish Bunt member from Russia). Avi is married to Naomi "No Logo" Klein. Avi grew up in wealth and privilage, born & bred to socialism.

363 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:31:11pm

re: #356 song_and_dance_man

Thankew!


Ron Paul!

364 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:31:18pm

re: #354 vxbush

Kalaka!

/no googling.

365 rw in san diego  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:31:20pm

re: #348 Francisco D'Anconia

things are going much faster now, as for europe forgetting its culture i blame the european philosophers. where once there was John Locke and Hobbs and Kant, now they get Marx and the post-modernists.

I don't think they need philosophy. I think they (and many here in the US) just need some common sense!

366 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:31:36pm
367 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:31:39pm

re: #209 Athos

OT -

From Captain's Quarters - ABC News Report that the FBI is investigating a human smuggling ring that has brought in "Iraqis and other Middle Eastern" individuals across the Rio Grande from Mexico.

An FBI intelligence report distributed by the Washington, D.C. Joint Terrorism Task Force, obtained by the Blotter on ABCNews.com, says the illegal ring has been bringing Iraqis across the border illegally for more than a year. ...

The FBI report, issued last week, says the smuggling organization "used to smuggle Mexicans, but decided to smuggle Iraqi or other Middle Eastern individuals because it was more lucrative." Each individual would be charged a fee of $20,000 to $25,000, according to the report.

The people to be smuggled would "gather at a house on the Mexican side of the border" and then cross the Rio Grande into the U.S., the report says.

"Unidentified individuals would then transport them to train stations in El Paso, Texas or Belen, New Mexico," according to the FBI document.

From last year:

FBI Director Robert Mueller said this week that his agency busted a smuggling ring organized by the terrorist group Hezbollah that had operatives cross the Mexican border to carry out possible terrorist attacks inside the U.S.

368 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:31:48pm
369 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:32:02pm

I feel a tremor in the force

370 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:32:05pm

Okay don't say I didn't contribute. Been reading Michelles blog about the Jet Blue - Daily Kos relationship. She has some good photoshopped pictures over there. And Kos has trotted out a supposed conservative to state their case that they ain't about all that hate stuff O'Reilly is saying.

371 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:32:13pm

I really hope ron paul is lurking out there somewhere

372 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:32:14pm

re: #355 insanity police

Got Islam?

373 Beagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:32:57pm

re: #361 NJDhockeyfan

Will the 12th imam crawl out of his hole when we reach 4,000,000?

If he does, you can watch it here. Islam is up to a 'Mahdi' a month these days, at least.

374 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:32:59pm

Anti-Racists are Islamaphobes.

375 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:33:17pm

re: #364 Silhouette

re: #354 vxbush

Kalaka!

/no googling.

I hanker for a hunk o' cheese?

/I'm better with the number ones!

376 SlartyBartfast  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:33:26pm

I stand corrected. This is, after all, the world's premier site for science, the arts, and warfare...

Renaissance Men and Women, all!

(Gotta love that spell checker!)

377 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:33:28pm

O.T.
3,999,158
Is my math wrong?
Ony 842 to go

378 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:33:29pm

re: #368 Killgore Trout

You shouda seen da one that got away.

379 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:33:46pm

re: #355 insanity police

There's plenty of friction between Christians, Jews, and sects thereof but they one thing they can still all agree on is that Islam stinks.

380 RedPepper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:33:50pm

4,000,001st !

/("Waiting Is" ...)

381 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:34:08pm
382 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:34:09pm

re: #369 bulwrk

I feel a tremor in the force


Excuse me.

Sorry.

That was me.

I'll light a match.

383 jcm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:34:15pm

re: #314 BabbaZee

re: #311 RedPepper

and it's GOD


Seems Hosea is relevant these days:

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; for thou hast rejected knowledge, and I will reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me; seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I also will forget thy children.

Hosea 4:6

384 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:34:59pm

re: #382 Ben Hur

thanks

385 WindHorse  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:35:03pm

Thank you President Bush for all the work you have done for this nation securing our southern border.....

/pissed off

386 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:35:05pm

re: #375 vxbush

Look! A wagon wheel.

You made my day with the hanker quote. No one remembers that when I sing it. On rare, rare occasions. I don't have a problem. I don't. I can quit anytime.

387 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:35:05pm
388 Victor  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:36:02pm
Although we have discovered only a handful of individuals in the United States with ties to al-Qa'ida senior leadership since 9/11, we judge that al-Qa'ida will intensify its efforts to put operatives here."

Oh come come, how are they going to do that? It's not like Muslim terrorists could just walk across our borders, or legally emmigrate here, or get a student visa, or pop out of the local mosque... oh wait...

389 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:36:05pm
390 vxbush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:36:17pm

re: #386 Silhouette

re: #375 vxbush

Look! A wagon wheel.

You made my day with the hanker quote. No one remembers that when I sing it. On rare, rare occasions. I don't have a problem. I don't. I can quit anytime.

When you skate.....
It would be great.....
If you could make....
A figure 8.....

That's a circle that turns round upon itself....

391 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:36:24pm
392 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:36:33pm

Kalaka is from the Noah's Ark '70s public service message for car pooling.

Noah said Kalaka is "ancient Babylonian" for car pool.

393 RedPepper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:36:40pm

re: #371 mahatma coat

I really hope ron paul is lurking out there somewhere

mahatma : It would be hard not to, if you were Ron Paul ... don't you agree ?

394 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:37:03pm
395 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:37:13pm

O.T.
4,000,000.
The hamsters need a bonus and a vacation.

396 RedPepper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:37:42pm

re: #383 jcm

Amen.

397 SunCat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:37:49pm

re: #28 paint-right

re: #28 paint-right

re: #22 FrogMarch

?Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there,? says Clarke, ?it?s hard not to draw the conclusion that going to Iraq has created a further threat to the United States.?
There it is. THE OFFICIAL DEMOCRAT PARTY talking point.
It's our fault they hate us.
isn't that what beaten women say about their abusers?


Yep. I used to think the left "got it" but it seems only an American spouse beating man can be bad.

398 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:37:58pm

re: #385 WindHorse

Thank you President Bush for all the work you have done for this nation securing our southern border.....

/pissed off

But if he did that then he wouldn't be able to set up the North American Union that none of us are to know about till we all speak a crappy combo of Canadian French-English-and MexiSpanish.

Spanish Flanders, "Howdily Doodily essay, you abla Canengol, Ay?"

399 Athos  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:38:11pm

re: #393 RedPepper

re: #371 mahatma coat

I really hope ron paul is lurking out there somewhere

mahatma : It would be hard not to, if you were Ron Paul ... don't you agree ?

I doubt he can stop reading about himself on Alex Jone's site.......

400 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:38:15pm
401 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:38:22pm
402 Francisco D'Anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:38:27pm

re: #355 insanity police

thats just sick, and from a notre dame theology student. wow. By the way if the jews controlled palestine before there were palestinians but kicked out by the romans, whose land is it? thats right its the jews land.

403 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:38:50pm

Maybe some of those senators locked in for their slumber party can contribute some comments to help put us over the top. I mean they ain't got nuttin else to do.

404 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:38:50pm

Only 800 posts to go for #4,000,000!

405 Athos  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:39:27pm

re: #399 Athos

PIMF .....Jones' site.

406 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:39:29pm

re: #393 RedPepper
its just so much more fun ridiculing someone when they hear it

407 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:39:33pm

This guy is great....
100 reasons why evolution is so stupid.

I haven't gotten to his evolution stuff yet but his understanding of physics is worth watching.

408 easy  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:39:41pm
“Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there,”


So, where would they be had we not invaded, hmmmm?

409 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:40:06pm

On a serious note i will e-mail CBS just so they know

410 WindHorse  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:40:14pm

I do appreciate everything this administration HAS done.... BUT, as far as I am concerned, the man has squandered an historic opportunity...

411 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:40:25pm

Do I have time to go to the fridge?

412 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:40:27pm

re: #361 NJDhockeyfan

Will the 12th imam crawl out of his hole when we reach 4,000,000?

I hope so. Lets get down to nut cutting! FGM for all my muzzlum sisters.

413 Ginn  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:40:55pm

Some unsolicited advice for when you guys reach 4 Million.

For those of who have shown up to make snide posts about the others who were already here, you don't fool anyone for a second. You wanted to be here at 4 million too, you just didn't want look "silly" and admit it.

Be sure and wear some sort of Millions Post Protection and don't be worried if you suffer from 4 Millionth Post Depression once you've hit the mark.

Remember that it was thousands of other posters who aren't here who did the heavy lifting to make to 4 million comments.

Ciao

414 NY Nana  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:41:45pm

re: #368 Killgore Trout

Drat. It does not appear to have scales..and I don't think it is kosher..imagine how much gefilte fish that baby could be used for! :)

Killgore, any idea what kind of fish it is? Incredible.

415 WindHorse  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:41:59pm

heavy lifting? Come on, be a little more sensitive will ya.... I'm trying to lose weight....

416 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:42:24pm
417 SunCat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:43:21pm

re: #411 bulwrk

Do I have time to go to the fridge?

Probably. It could be another 15 minutes.

418 NY Nana  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:43:38pm

re: #394 song_and_dance_man

They wouldn't dare! Stinky must be giving them their special enriched meals...and they are allowed an extra break.

419 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:43:41pm
420 mo foe  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:44:01pm

re: #411 bulwrk

Do I have time to go to the fridge?


I was wondering when the celebrations would start. I think I will fire my semi-auto repeatedly in the air. Oh, and maybe a monitor swarm.

421 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:44:37pm

re: #419 song_and_dance_man
thanks for the reminder ....back in a minute

422 BingoBunny  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:44:49pm

So lets elect Democrats .. so we can go back to the good old days of no Al Qaida in new york till they blew up the World Trade Center..

/and demorats don't even think they did that

423 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:45:19pm
424 RedPepper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:45:27pm

re: #419 song_and_dance_man

re: #413 Ginn


Be sure and wear some sort of Millions Post Protection

I've heard wearing pants is essential too.

Maybe we can pass out candy ... and ululate !

/

425 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:45:28pm

re: #413 Ginn

Some unsolicited advice for when you guys reach 4 Million.

For those of who have shown up to make snide posts about the others who were already here, you don't fool anyone for a second. You wanted to be here at 4 million too, you just didn't want look "silly" and admit it.

Be sure and wear some sort of Millions Post Protection and don't be worried if you suffer from 4 Millionth Post Depression once you've hit the mark.

Remember that it was thousands of other posters who aren't here who did the heavy lifting to make to 4 million comments.

Ciao

True! But if I get it I'm going to give it to Charity!

426 Francisco D'Anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:45:47pm

Socialism and Islamism= slavery is freedom!

427 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:45:48pm

My 4 million resolution is to never make another silly or inane comment.

428 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:45:57pm

OT - Someone paid off Ghaddafi and the on-again-off-again death sentence against the nurses is off again.

The death sentence of five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor accused of infecting hundreds of Libyan children with HIV has been commuted to life in prison, a top Libyan official said Tuesday.

That is 400 million, that came from somewhere

The ruling came after the families of the children each received $1 million and agreed to drop their demand for the execution of the six, who deny having infected more than 400 children and say their confessions were extracted under torture.

Yeah, of course, the families received the money. Every penny, I'm sure.

Bulgaria has said it would not pay compensation, because it would imply the medics were guilty, but the country's foreign minister acknowledged Tuesday his country was considering participating in an international fund for humanitarian aid to Libya.

That needs some scare quotes.

Bulgaria has said it would not pay compensation, because it would imply the medics were guilty, but the country's foreign minister acknowledged Tuesday his country was considering participating in an "international fund" for "humanitarian aid" to Libya.

429 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:46:14pm
430 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:46:46pm

re: #138 Athos

Stephen Hayes, of The Weekly Standard, has been another who has detailed many of the pre-2003 contacts between Saddam's Iraq and al-Qaeda.

Here's why the "Was AQ in Iraq?" question is a non-issue: Al Queda is in EVERY Middle Eastern country. Every single last one of them. They're in most of Europe, too. They're here also. If "government contacts with Al Queda" is supposedly a bomb-able offense, that means our next target, after killing a number of people working in Washington D.C., ought to be Britain.

Saying AQ was in Iraq isn't some kind of shocking, contendible, far-out idea that Bush pulled out of the air to convince the sheeple to support the bombing of Brown People Everywhere. It's a simple statement of fact that's somehow become a false god of the anti-war types.

It's not about whether or not AQ was there. It's about what attitude the local leadership holds towards AQ. It's no great leap of logic to theorize that Saddam, after 9/11, would see AQ as new "underdog heroes" who deserved covert financing, weapons, and bases.

I am reminded of Yoda lecturing Luke.

"But that's different!"
"No. Only in your mind is it different!"

431 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:47:00pm
432 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:47:11pm
433 SunCat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:47:18pm

I thought Stinky was a hamster. But then I do not know nearly enough about Hamsternics. I never was a member of the IHEE.

434 jcm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:47:38pm

If we use Million Man March Math. We are in reality approaching post number 800,000.

435 Mike C.  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:47:42pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout


Gaak ! Let me know when you dig up a transcript.

436 Empire1  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:47:55pm

Actually, I'm here rooting for TFK -- GO TFK!

437 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:47:56pm

re: #429 song_and_dance_man

re: #421 mahatma coat


re: #419 song_and_dance_man
thanks for the reminder ....back in a minute

I was caught unawares yesterday and had to slip out of my Eva Braun summer dress.

film at 11!

438 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:48:03pm

OT -

Cuba chided the United States on Tuesday for being too slow to issue visas to Cubans wanting off the island.

Meanwhile, LGF poster Silhouette chided Cuba on being such a communist heck-hole that it made everyone desperate to get visas to get out.

439 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:48:17pm
440 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:48:23pm
441 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:48:26pm

re: #424 RedPepper

I love to ululate! But not while Masticating. sooo messy

442 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:48:28pm

re: #430 Pawn of the Oppressor

Stephen Hayes?

Stephen K. Hayes?

THE NINJA?

443 Render  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:48:31pm

re: #428 Silhouette

Although it might be kinda tough logistically, if I was Bulgaria's leadership, I would declare war on Libya.

Expend some of that Soviet era ammo they've got laying around by the mega-tons.

BURP,
R

444 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:48:34pm

Another anagram for Ronald Ernest Paul:

No Leper Anal Turds

445 David E  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:48:37pm

re: #427 bulwrk

We will see how long that promise lasts.

446 LeftJustAintRight  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:49:59pm

re: #434 jcm

If we use Million Man March Math. We are in reality approaching post number 800,000.

Careful what you say or we will be Imus'ed

447 bosforus  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:50:16pm

my question is will anyone be able to hit refresh/reload at just the right time to be able to get a print screen of 4,000,000

448 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:50:52pm
449 telepunk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:50:53pm

Dear Charles and my fellow Lizards

I neither desire nor deserve to be comment #4,000,000.
I am content to contribute in my own small way, with this post, to reaching that happy milestone.
Good posting everybody, and may the best luckiest Lizard win.

450 SunCat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:51:10pm

re: #447 bosforus

Maybe Charles will do it.

451 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:51:23pm

3 hours ago

LONDON - A man caught with plans for a missile on his computer was sentenced Tuesday to 3 1/2 years in a British prison after being convicted of a terrorist offense.

Yassin Nassari, 28, a London native, was convicted last week of possessing documents and data for terrorism.

452 Render  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:51:25pm

re: #432 taxfreekiller

TFK: I am the cleaning crew around here. Security, procurement, and logistics as well...

IOWA
CLASS,
R

453 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:51:32pm

I saw a story on one of the news shows last night about Cuban doctors that have been sent to Venezuela who have been escaping to America and elsewhere. They get paid about 15 dollars a day and most of that goes back to Cuba, confiscated by Castro and the doctors themselves live on about a dollar a day. Is this the great health care Mooron is talking about? Doctors being treated like little more then slaves, under constant guard while working in other third world hell holes until such time as they can escape to the Great Satan?

454 xRos  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:52:19pm

re: #16 hous bin pharteen

Hey, if they want to pull out of Iraq and pretend there is no threat, fine.
Let the libs fight the war in NYC, DC, SF, LA, Boston, etc. I am getting sick of their lies and their bitching.
It is about time they actually were on the front line fighting for their country.
I will be back here in the Red State areas cheering them on.

quoted because it was nearly my exact thought.

455 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:52:34pm

re: #451 Silhouette

3 hours ago

LONDON - A man caught with plans for a missile on his computer was sentenced Tuesday to 3 1/2 years in a British prison after being convicted of a terrorist offense.

Yassin Nassari, 28, a London native, was convicted last week of possessing documents and data for terrorism.

Pesky Buddhists and their technology.

456 NY Nana  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:52:41pm

Argentine economy minister resigns after cash found stashed in her office loo

Do I really have to make a comment? I thought not! :)

457 Bobibutu  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:52:45pm

re: #447 bosforus

my question is will anyone be able to hit refresh/reload at just the right time to be able to get a print screen of 4,000,000

Now there's a worthy effort!

458 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:52:46pm

re: #447 bosforus

my question is will anyone be able to hit refresh/reload at just the right time to be able to get a print screen of 4,000,000

Good idea!

459 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:52:53pm
460 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:52:54pm

re: #448 song_and_dance_man

re: #444 FQ Kafir

Another anagram for Ronald Ernest Paul:

No Leper Anal Turds

And his name numerically is 665.99

Cthullu in '08

Ron Paul!

461 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 2:53:23pm

re: #451 Silhouette

I guess they weren't plans for those pesky inaccurate HOMEMADE missiles.

Then it wouldn't have been terrorism.

Terrorism doesn't exist outside of the UK.

462 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:04:51pm

re: #414 NY Nana

I think it must be a Gar, Sort or related to sturgeon and catfish. It's not kosher.

re: #435 Mike C.
He's not slapstick like Benny Hinn but he's still pretty funny.

463 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:05:59pm

Another disturbance in the Force?

Ron Paul!

464 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:06:01pm
465 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:06:10pm

Oh how I HATE Benny Hinn!

466 Athos  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:06:47pm

re: #430 Pawn of the Oppressor

It's no great leap of logic to theorize that Saddam, after 9/11, would see AQ as new "underdog heroes" who deserved covert financing, weapons, and bases.

It wasn't even after 9/11 - but prior to 9/11. Let's not forget the Iraqi fingerprints and assistance for the first WTC bombing in 1993.......

The issue is - we are watching the revision of history by 'ME' people like Clarke to fit a political agenda (or accentuating self importance) even at the price of greater risk to the country. Far too many don't challenge these inane assertions and accept them at face value....someone one would expect 'investigative journalists' to do if they were 'professionals'.

467 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:06:55pm
468 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:07:12pm
469 jcm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:07:13pm

re: #465 BabbaZee

Oh how I HATE Benny Hinn!

Amen

470 Render  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:07:20pm

Holy crap!

Charles!

Don't do that!

NEAR
MISS,
R

471 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:07:23pm
472 Juan McCain  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:07:32pm

Taxfreekiller to get comment 4,000,000? That's about how many messages he left on my answering machine. But I have a plan to win your hearts again. I have discovered *drum roll* "radical Islamic extremism!"

McCain said Monday that in the months ahead, he was going to emphasize climate change, cutting back on wasteful federal spending, the fight against "radical Islamic extremism" and military procurement reform.

Link

P.S. Send money.

473 paint-right  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:07:35pm

re: #456 NY Nana

Argentine economy minister resigns after cash found stashed in her office loo

Do I really have to make a comment? I thought not! :)

well i will then

economy my @##

474 jcm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:07:54pm

About the NIE.

Dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

475 paint-right  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:08:06pm

re: #469 jcm

re: #465 BabbaZee

Oh how I HATE Benny Hinn!
Amen

Amen redux

476 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:08:19pm

Dammit Spcok, don't die on me now!

477 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:08:35pm

re: #469 jcm
Selah!

/Pay per view whore of Churchianity.

478 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:08:54pm

re: #465 BabbaZee

How could you hate someone with a combover and a full head of hair? Genius!

479 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:09:15pm

Spock, I meant Spock

480 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:09:19pm

re: #478 Killgore Trout

ROTFF!

481 Iron Fist  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:09:26pm

re: #472 Juan McCain,

Climate change? Taking a page from the Gorecale's playbook? McCain is desperate.

482 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:09:34pm
483 Mike C.  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:09:36pm

Oh boy ! 4,000,000 comments and another crack at guessing the ID of the sock puppet !

484 Roger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:09:41pm

#465 BabbaZee

Benny Hinn, the spleen ignorer?

485 Black George Bush  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:09:45pm

Grim Milestone: 4,000,000 comments watch

486 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:09:53pm

re: #472 Juan McCain

cutting back on wasteful federal spending

They used to call that fighting pork, but Reza was offended.

487 bosforus  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:09:56pm

LGF was down for me for the last ten minutes. I'm guessing that it will happen a few more times before the 4,000,000 mark. There go my chances of being Mr. 4,000,000. :(

488 missouri boy  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:09:56pm

re: #459 song_and_dance_man


The Koran?

Roflmao!....that's funny

489 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:10:08pm

re: #479 Just_A_Grunt

Spock, I meant Spock

490 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:10:27pm

In all likelihood, I won't be around to see the grim milestone later, but have fun, everyone. I can imagine a frantic sprint just like last August 8...

And, of course, the countdown to 5 million will begin.

That will occur next June 12.

491 1SG(ret)  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:10:29pm

I've said it before and will say it everytime he opens his piewhole.

WESLEY CLARKE IS A SCUMBAG AND POS!

Top

492 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:10:46pm

rofl!

493 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:11:04pm

re: #484 Roger

I had no idea he actually takes the time to ignore me.

LOL!

494 1SG(ret)  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:11:10pm

PIMF = piehole Geez

495 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:11:12pm

Are you feelin' better, Babba?

Ron Paul!re: #481 Iron Fist

All front-running candidates besides Thompson will be paying lip-service to "climate change", better known as the Breathing Tax.

496 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:11:15pm
497 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:11:15pm
498 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:11:31pm

nearly had a panic attack ....lost my connection and thought LGF had gone down

499 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:11:36pm

Benny Hinn is CRAZY!

500 jamil hussein  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:11:41pm

re: #483 Mike C.

Oh boy ! 4,000,000 comments and another crack at guessing the ID of the sock puppet !


Which one?

501 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:11:54pm

re: #482 song_and_dance_man

There's a lot of that going around. It's a veritable epidemic.

502 paint-right  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:11:55pm

re: #475 paint-right

re: #469 jcm

re: #465 BabbaZee
Oh how I HATE Benny Hinn!
Amen
Amen redux

and while we're at it. Benny Hill and Benni hana

503 NY Nana  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:12:29pm
504 Iron Fist  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:12:43pm

re: #495 FQ Kafir,

All I can say is "Run Fred! Run!"

505 Suzette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:12:49pm

re: #485 Black George Bush

Just adding a small post to add it along..... :)
Oh Babba ...love your website too!

506 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:12:50pm

re: #488 missouri boy

re: #459 song_and_dance_man


The Koran?

Roflmao!....that's funny

So is this.

An oldie but goodie.

507 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:12:57pm

re: #495 FQ Kafir

Better than I was thanks, not up to full throttle spleenage just yet though

508 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:13:09pm

re: #296 Fritz_Katz

I'm not sure the US would mind if China decided to do that for us, but I wonder how Musharraf would think if China does something like that. Somehow, I don't think Musharraf would be all that comfortable, although it would take some pressure off him if China was doing his work for him. Still, Taliban wont differentiate all that much between infidel Americans and infidel Chinese.

509 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:13:10pm

I am now putting my emotions on Fully Auto Moderate.
I am going to go watch the O to see what wonderful thing she has
done for me and the world today.

When I come back I expect you lizards to have this 4 million thing
done!
I accept nothing less....(well maybe a Big O hug)
NOW.
Let’s set our sites on 4,000,042

TTFN

510 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:13:14pm

re: #505 Suzette

Why thank you!

511 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:13:20pm

re: #499 blue_like_jazz

Benny Hinn is CRAZY!


his bank manager swears he's a genuine profit

512 NY Nana  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:13:26pm

re: #491 1SG(ret)

You are actually too kind.[deleted]

513 Roger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:13:32pm

#465 BabbaZee

He heals everything but:-) Give him a spleen and he becomes redfaced; blames it on the spleen's owner.

514 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:13:43pm

re: #497 savage_nation

No problem. The child can just live with the husband until Mom gets out of jail.

Ha ha. Husband. I kill me.

515 paint-right  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:13:47pm

re: #503 NY Nana

Lol

yikes a bug in my pantleg BRB!

516 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:13:52pm

re: #497 savage_nation


yeah, but it still wasn't appropriate treatment. even if you don't care about the mother's comfort level or whatever, the life of an innocent baby was put at risk.

517 ointmentfly  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:13:53pm

Richard Clarke....oh yeah, isn't he Marsha Clarke's brother? You know, the morinic LA prosecutor that couldn't convict OJ. He couldn't stop a terrorist attack if he was sitting next to Osama and he is now the man at ABC for intelligence?

518 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:14:32pm
519 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:14:38pm

re: #513 Roger

Ahhahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

520 Empire1  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:14:42pm

re: #465 BabbaZee

Oh how I HATE Benny Hinn!

Boy, am I glad to find I'm not the only one!

521 Suzette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:15:04pm

re: #510 BabbaZee

Really liked the post on the Balkans....I had been looking for more
information concerning that.

522 Render  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:15:13pm

re: #491 1SG(ret)


Hey Top, remind me when we're not pushin the 4 million mark.

I have a close friend who was in 4ID/Ft Carson in the mid '80's

ARMOR,
R

523 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:15:22pm

A Bongtwa Upon Benny Hinn!

524 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:15:27pm

PRAY for Benny Hinn to get saved

525 killgore trout rules!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:15:33pm

re: #483 Mike C.

What's a sock puppet?

526 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:15:40pm

re: #518 song_and_dance_man
I rated a rimshot ...yippee

527 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:15:41pm
528 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:16:09pm

re: #507 BabbaZee

Glad to hear it.

This might make you smile.

529 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:16:13pm

i heard that killgore trout stinks.

530 killgore trout rules!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:16:47pm

re: #529 blue_like_jazz

I got my eye on you, buddy.

531 NY Nana  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:16:58pm

re: #515 paint-right

A bug in your pant leg is easier to get rid of than a bug in your computer. *

*old Chinese proverb.

532 paint-right  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:17:16pm

re: #524 blue_like_jazz

good point blue. i try to thank God for his tireless workers and ask him to correct/ collect the strays

533 Shug  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:17:27pm

ha ha ha I log onto LGF for the first time today and see we're approaching 4 million comments

and what do I see, a discussion on Benny Hinn, and his holy comb-over

you are heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealed

534 froghat2k  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:17:27pm

Don't you find it odd that all this Al-Qaida stuff is coming out just as the Iraq debate heats up again? Karl Rove, you did it again you bastard! lol

535 Render  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:17:45pm

That's not a bug, that's a feature.

CREATURE
FEATURE,
R

536 paint-right  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:17:51pm

re: #531 NY Nana

eensy weensy spider!

537 Roger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:18:12pm

#524 blue_like_jazz

lol! That kind [Benny Hinn kind] of success almost guarantees the need for salvation is the furtherest thing from his mind.

538 1SG(ret)  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:18:12pm

re: #512 NY Nana

I could say so much more. I had the unpleasant duty of serving in his command. I try to keep it civil here, sometimes I'd like to pull the Mandy out, but I restrain myself! I do like Mandy! :-)

Top

539 Ma Sands  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:18:23pm

re: #525 killgore trout rules!


Hmmm..... :)

540 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:18:29pm

re: #530 killgore trout rules!

um, that would be "buddy-ette" to you, kind sir. ;-)

541 rtheyserius  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:18:30pm

Here's the kicker to that ABC story about Iraqis and other "Middle Eastern individuals" coming into the US across the Rio Grande...

Until recently, the United States has kept its doors all but shut to the estimated two million refugees fleeing the violence in Iraq. Until this year, the country had taken in fewer than 800 Iraqi refugees, according to the State Department. This May, the Bush administration pledged to resettle 7,000 Iraqi refugees here by the end of the year.

Oh great.

542 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:18:40pm
543 Roger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:19:21pm

re: #525 killgore trout rules!

Only 6 comments? What do you know, newbie?

544 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:19:24pm

re: #521 Suzette

It's hard to come by

Check out what this site has , there's a lot here that's just plain koo koo and a lot that's not, you have to sift through the crap and find what you can corroborate.

Also here there is much to read

And here

545 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:19:25pm
546 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:19:27pm

re: #537 Roger


i know, that's why he needs prayer.

TOTALLY OT

we're watching "man vs. wild" and the guy just DRANK HIS OWN PEE!

547 pat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:19:28pm

Richard Clarke's point is........there is none. We did not go into Iraq to get rid of Iraq but to get rid of a terrorist abetting enemy. If Al Queda is there now, then we might as well kill these Saudi terrorists there rather than have them kill us here. The man is a dolt. All too characteristic of Washington bureaucrats.

548 jcm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:19:42pm

re: #482 song_and_dance_man

Benny Hinn is worse than a Gospel Merchant; he is a false prophet.

and then will I avow unto them, I never knew you. Depart from me, workers of lawlessness.

Matt. 7:23

549 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:19:56pm

This is neither surprising nor is it going to be forgotten. Democrats ordered to trash President Bush during floor debate. Gee, like they need to be ordered? They can hardly contain themselves, and have no problem delving into conspiracy theories, so what's a little Bush bashing or revisionist history?

Oh, and what's the top story at CNN? Michael Vick is one of four to be indicted for dog fighting.

550 killgore trout rules!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:20:01pm

re: #540 blue_like_jazz

No wonder I've got my eye on you...
But still!

551 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:20:09pm

Benny Hinn's motto ..."in God we trust"

552 David E  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:20:09pm

Man, you guys are torturing the hamsters/

553 bosforus  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:20:10pm

re: #448 song_and_dance_man

just out of curiosity i found my name to be 270, then i did it backwards (A=26...Z=1) and found that it was still 270! just thought it interesting.

554 Silhouette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:20:11pm

The Dow tops 14,000 just when LGF tops 4 million?

Coincidence? The illumanati Dick Cheney Rove would like you to think so.

555 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:20:29pm

re: #520 Empire1

Hey we got us a
He Man Benny Hinn Haters Club,
Spanky.

/HIGH SIGN

/little rascals reference for all going ?huh?

556 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:21:01pm

re: #538 1SG(ret)

{TOP}

557 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:21:18pm

re: #550 killgore trout rules!


well then, keep on a-watching... you just might learn something =)

558 Das  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:21:37pm

The left believes in "Creationism" when it comes to terrorism:

America, when under terrorist attack, is the originator, instigator and victim all in a single wonderfully "created" package. The terrorists do not have independent life, much less personal responsibility for their actions. In this view America is like a great vast novelist just writing in parts for terrorists.

For Richard Clarke and others of the "America is the creator of terror" school the hand that lights the fuse, grips the knife or pulls the trigger is never a guilty hand. That would be the hand, really, of a victim. The real guilty party is a creator-entity called "America" or "Neo-cons" or "the president".

But what of the "created terrorist's" very real victims? Are they, too, "creations"?

By this way madness lies. When you forfeit the capacity to call a murderer a murderer you embrace nihilism.

559 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:21:52pm

re: #555 BabbaZee


i got the ref, babbster!

(we should still pray for him)

560 1SG(ret)  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:22:08pm

re: #522 Render

29 years ARMOR, (MG) we'll talk later.

TOP

561 Suzette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:22:18pm

re: #544 BabbaZee

Yes that information is hard to come by and thanks for those links!
I had suspected (for a while) that we got duped concerning the Balkans...
Hope you feel better soon.... :)

562 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:22:31pm

re: #528 FQ Kafir

I laughed. I am nuts, huh?

563 froghat2k  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:22:46pm

Will LGF have a special sleepover to combat the democrats one? lol

564 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:23:00pm

In about 10 hours, it'll be the 38th anniversary of Ted Kennedy hitting the water.

.

565 1SG(ret)  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:23:01pm

re: #556 BabbaZee

{Babba}

566 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:23:37pm

re: #562 BabbaZee

re: #528 FQ Kafir

I laughed. I am nuts, huh?


OMG... i missed that before. that is sick and gross and... HILARIOUS! the comments below are even better.

567 RedPepper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:23:40pm

Hmmm.

The "new comments" little gear-wheel-thingie is spinning like a dreidl and throwing off the occasional spark ...

568 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:23:47pm

re: #559 blue_like_jazz

I do not intercede for the likes of him.
It's against my religion.

569 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:23:49pm

re: #562 BabbaZee

No, I'm saving that designation for.... wait for it....


Ron Paul!

570 jcm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:24:27pm

re: #564 JammieWearingFool

In about 10 hours, it'll be the 38th anniversary of Ted Kennedy hitting the water.

.

Mary Jo would be 66 in eleven days.

571 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:24:43pm

Jose Padilla lost a motion to acquit Padilla and two others today.

U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke, ruling after a daylong hearing, said the evidence and testimony offered by the prosecuton over the past nine weeks was enough proof to let a jury decide the men's guilt or innocence.

"That is something the jurors will have to find," Cooke said. The trial is expected to last well into August.

Padilla, Adham Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi face possible life in prison if convicted of being part of a support cell that provided recruits, money and supplies to Islamic extremist groups around the world, including al-Qaida. Padilla, a U.S. citizen also held for 3 1/2 years without charge as an enemy combatant, is accused in the Miami case of completing a form to attend an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan.

Padilla was originally suspected of plotting to detonate a radioactive "dirty bomb" in the U.S. after his May 2002 arrest, but those allegations are not part of the Miami trial.

The hearing Tuesday was on defense acquittal motions brought under rules that allow a judge to issue a verdict before jurors get the case if prosecution evidence is insufficient. That evidence, however, must be examined in the light most favorable to prosecutors.

The most serious charge in a three-count indictment accuses the defendants of conspiring to murder, maim and kidnap people in foreign countries, which was the main focus of the hearing. The material support charges contain maximum sentences of 15 years each.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Brian Frazier said the evidence, including dozens of FBI wiretap intercepts where code was allegedly used to discuss violence and Islamic jihad, proved there was "no peaceful explanation" for what the men did.

572 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:24:57pm

re: #561 Suzette

Thanks Suzette!

Yes we been
Took
Hoodwinked
Bamboozled
Led astray
Run amuck
and it continues to this day

573 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:25:05pm

re: #568 BabbaZee


heh. well, if they're not dead, G-d's not done! i would love to see some of these profits come to the Truth.

574 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:25:14pm

re: #496 song_and_dance_man

Does he really? Just when I thought I couldn't like him any more...

re: #550 killgore trout rules!

HA!

575 luzbone  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:25:21pm

Who killed Kenny?

The Troof about the Toronto 4,000,000 and 4,000,001.

576 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:25:23pm
577 Roger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:25:25pm

#524 blue_like_jazz

That's Senator Ted Kennedy to you, sir!

/and me

578 Mike C.  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:25:30pm

re: #500 jamil hussein


"Juan McCain" is NOT a newbie.

579 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:25:37pm

re: #570 jcm
ooooh ....slam dunk!

580 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:25:46pm

re: #566 blue_like_jazz

re: #562 BabbaZee

re: #528 FQ Kafir

I laughed. I am nuts, huh?


OMG... i missed that before. that is sick and gross and... HILARIOUS! the comments below are even better.

I had not read the comments before. ROFLMAO!

581 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:25:51pm

re: #569 FQ Kafir

RON PAULS THEME

/the visual is important on this one

582 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:26:02pm

re: #564 JammieWearingFool

Mary Jo could not be reached for comment.

583 Roger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:26:48pm

re: #564 JammieWearingFool

#577 was for you!

584 pat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:26:50pm

Babba, glad you feeling better.

585 EC Marm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:27:57pm

Hmm a sleepover? I'm surprised Occasional Reader doesn't have some thoughts fantasies on that one.

586 TimeQuake  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:27:58pm

re: #575 luzbone

And I was there to see it. Shame.

587 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:28:02pm

pat, you dropped your are

*dusts it off and hands it to pat*

588 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:28:04pm
590 Ma Sands  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:28:29pm

re: #570 jcm

And, her child would be 37....

591 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:28:36pm
592 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:28:36pm
593 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:28:53pm

re: #584 pat

Thanks pat!

594 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:29:17pm

lawhawk,

re: #582 lawhawk

re: #564 JammieWearingFool

Mary Jo could not be reached for comment.

Howie Carr played his well after the fact press conference a short time ago.

Never forget this Democrat icon left a woman to die a slow, painful death, while his fat ass tried to concoct a story and have one of his buddies take the fall.

595 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:29:23pm

re: #589 POLAR WIND

That's a great blog
that person is doing great work IMO

596 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:29:38pm

re: #591 BabbaZee

re: #573 blue_like_jazz

I am all Maccabee.
The only praying I offer for evil is that GOD take his right hand out ASAP and smite His enemies (and mine).

Ya that's right. I do that.


LOL! well, i reckon it takes all kinds =)

597 HDrepub  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:29:43pm

re: #414 NY Nana

re: #368 Killgore Trout

Drat. It does not appear to have scales..and I don't think it is
kosher..imagine how much gefilte fish that baby could be used for! :)

Killgore, any idea what kind of fish it is? Incredible.

It is probably a species of Asian giant catfish.
Giant Mekong Catfish

598 luzbone  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:29:58pm

re: #586 TimeQuake

re: #575 luzbone

And I was there to see it. Shame.

Remember it well and teach it to your children and your children's children.

Let the world know the troof.

599 Francisco D'Anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:30:22pm

People also seem to forget America's first run in with Islam. It was called the Barbary Coast War. After the revolution Britain payment to the pirates and her navy no longer protected American merchant shipping. The Barbary states declared war since there was no treaty (in keeping with Islam) we sent the lent Algiers the USSGeorge Washington to carry its tribute to the turks. We paid Algiers hundreds of thousands in bribe money and sent them a couple ships for them to use filled with lumber and sails and tar and such. Tripoli didnt get anything because the ship we owed them sank on voyage twice. So they declared war. Many attribute the saying millions in defense but not a pound in tribute to this war. that actually came from the xyz affair years earlier with France. When Tripoli declared war we tried appeasement. Then Jefferson sent some frigates to the Mediterranean to protect American ships. What most dont know is that Jefferson also sent along $10,000 of his own money to the shah of Tripoli to keep him from declaring war. Only after all attempts at appeasement were exhausted did we go in an kick there butts. They've been doing the same game ever since, ransom, extortion, terrorism. Yet the left cant be bothered with history or common sense. America's first war was against Islamic terrorism. Time to quit trying to bribe them like we do with the Fatah movement, quit trying to heal their bruised egos and quit trying to pretend its all our fault. We need another Stephen Decatur, he led our forces against them, burned his own ship so they couldn't use it and went in to get the job done. He did. We need to.

600 Mike C.  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:30:53pm

Since everybody is just killing time....

Gratuitous pretty revolver picture

601 TimeQuake  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:31:00pm

re: #598 luzbone

Power to the twoof. LOL

602 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:31:05pm
603 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:31:11pm

re: #581 BabbaZee

Thanks, Babba... I needed that.


Ron Paul!

604 pat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:31:18pm

Illegals doing the job Americans won't. In this case going to the nearest Mosque for terror instructions. Iraqis moving to a your town.
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

605 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:31:33pm

re: #564 JammieWearingFool

Have you received an invite to join from wordpress yet?

606 NY Nana  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:32:14pm

re: #536 paint-right

Yuck! I would have screamed for my husband to get it...I am bug-phobic. He always laughs and shakes his head. Daughter is even worse. She called us at 2 AM, years ago..there were water bugs in her apartment in a NY Borough..we are almost at the CT boder. She was holed up in her bedroom, door closed..we actually had to go, and I stayed with her til hubby took care of it.

Now that she is married, and has an almost 1 year old? She would kill a snake!

We still tease her, though, as do her brothers.

BBL..dinner time.

607 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:32:16pm
608 Roger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:32:40pm

re: #588 savage_nation

Is that life form of the lowest order gunning to break Strom Thurmond's record of the oldest Senator in the history of the US?

At the very least the most pickled!

609 eowyn2  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:32:56pm

re: #599 Francisco D'Anconia

and we are going to have to go in again and kick butt.

610 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:33:02pm

i'm confused.

killgore trout is here.

killgore trout rules WAS here.

killgore trout stinks WAS here.

why aren't they ever on altogether to have a conference?

//

611 Ma Sands  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:33:49pm

re: #602 savage_nation

Yes....it was the main reason he drove off the bridge on purpose, so it was said back then....

612 Suzette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:33:56pm

re: #599 Francisco D'Anconia

Well Islam has been starting wars and attacks since the beginning of Islam. It goes on and off the march relentlessly. Right now I think it is again on the march....

613 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:33:59pm

re: #605 Killgore Trout

You have to be invited?

re: #607 song_and_dance_man

I don't curse anyone.
I just don't give anyone a pass.
They curse themselves.

614 killgore trout rules!  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:34:00pm

re: #610 blue_like_jazz

Where's Stinky? I've been gunning for him...

615 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:34:05pm

re: #570 jcm

In about 10 hours, it'll be the 38th anniversary of Ted Kennedy hitting the water.

Ted Kennedy's had 68,400 drinks since then

616 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:34:25pm

re: #597 HDrepub

They list the world record as 138 lb. If it's the same fish that record is destroyed.

617 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:34:32pm

KT,

re: #605 Killgore Trout

re: #564 JammieWearingFool

Have you received an invite to join from wordpress yet?

Yes. I'll try and get to it later or tomorrow. Just firing up the grill now.

618 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:34:43pm
619 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:35:26pm

re: #610 blue_like_jazz

Killgore Trout Stinks is my sock puppet. I have no idea who Killgore Trout Rules! is.

620 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:35:38pm

Hmmmm... if I can't be here for 4 million, I hope that I'm mentioned in the magic number. Oh, and I claim 5 million, 10 million, and 25 million first!

To whoever gets the magic number, kudos - and kudos to Charles for a great job with the place.

621 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:35:50pm

re: #617 JammieWearingFool

Ok, just checking.

622 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:36:14pm

3,999,444

623 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:36:20pm

DAMMIT!

i have to go to a stupid meeting. i don't wanna miss the 4mil grim marker! =( =( =(


// pouting in the corner

624 Mike C.  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:36:29pm

Another gratuitous pretty revolver picture

"There's just one thing you gotta ask yourself. Do I feel lucky ? Well, do you ? Punk ?"

625 mahatma coat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:36:30pm

re: #615 bulwrk
what drink/hr rate you working on?

626 Ma Sands  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:36:33pm

re: #614 killgore trout rules!

Um....are you replaying the "Lucifer will be like!" battle....?

627 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:36:55pm

re: #619 Killgore Trout

it's gotta be a regular

628 Suzette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:37:05pm

re: #622 BabbaZee

Getting closer.....

629 shug  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:37:10pm

I hope I live long enough to be here for the 4,000,000th ed and sock puppet, et al's hurricane comment

630 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:37:12pm
631 Francisco D'Anconia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:37:34pm

re: #612 Suzette

re: #599 Francisco D'Anconia

Well Islam has been starting wars and attacks since the beginning of Islam. It goes on and off the march relentlessly. Right now I think it is again on the march....

They March until they are beaten back by civilization. This time though it seems the civilized world is more concerned with not hurting muslim feelings and stoking their own anti-semitism than they are with protecting civilizations. Before it was beating back the barbarians at the gate. Now the barbarians are inside the gates and are being coddled as they wage war all around us.

632 Ma Sands  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:37:51pm

re: #618 savage_nation

Ah. Well....they did find her "with child"....that's not theory.

633 Roger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:38:08pm

Well it won't be Geepers.

/He eats yogurt with his fingers.

634 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:38:08pm
635 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:38:27pm

heave HO!


everyone over to the new thread------->>>>>

636 jcm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:39:03pm

re: #602 savage_nation

re: #590 Ma Sands

re: #570 jcm

And, her child would be 37....

Hold on, are you sure about that?


Because no autopsy is ever performed on Kopechne's body (her body had been promptly whisked out of state) it is uncertain how long it took her to drown, if she wasn't killed on impact. Likewise, it is never established whether Kopechne was pregnant or exhibited signs of recent sexual activity.
[Link: www.nndb.com...]

637 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:39:25pm

re: #627 blue_like_jazz

I suspected it was Earth2Moonbat, but he's been MIA for a few months.

638 Roger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:39:42pm

#624 Mike C.

More like 'do you feel wealthy?!?!'

639 BabbaZee  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:40:05pm

re: #634 song_and_dance_man


Correct!
Which is precisely why I don't bother praying for the Benny Hinns of the world, and if I did bother, it would be Psalm 74.

640 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:40:10pm

re: #637 Killgore Trout


aha! i've wondered where that fella was!

641 jcm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:40:52pm

However there are other questions:
[Link: www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk...]

An investigation at the scene of the accident by Raymond R. McHenry, suggested that Kennedy approached the bridge at an estimated 34 miles (55 kilometres) per hour. At around 5 metres (17 feet) from the bridge, Kennedy braked violently. This locked the front wheels. According to McHenry: "The car skidded 5 metres (17 feet) along the road, 8 metres (25 feet) up the humpback bridge, jumped a 14 centimetre barrier, somersaulted through the air for about 10 metres (35 feet) into the water and landed upside-down."

Investigators found it difficult to understand why he was crossing Dyke Bridge when he said he was attempting to reach Edgartown which was in the opposite direction. They also could not understand why he was driving so fast on this unlit, uneven, road. They also could not work out how Kennedy escaped from the car. When it was recovered from the water all the doors were locked. Three of the windows were either open or smashed in. If Kennedy, a large-framed 6 foot 2 inches tall man could manage to get out of the car, why was it impossible for Mary JO Kopechne, a slender 5 foot 2 inches tall, not do the same?

Local experts could not understand why Kennedy (and later, Markham and Gargan) could not rescue Kopechne from the car. It also surprised investigators that Kennedy did not seek help from Pierre Malm, who only lived 135 metres from the bridge. At the inquest Kennedy was unable to answer this question.

There were also doubts about the way Kopechne died. Dr. Donald Mills of Edgartown, wrote on the death certificate: "death by drowning". However, Gene Frieh, the undertaker, told reporters that death "was due to suffocation rather than drowning". John Farrar, the diver who removed Kopechne from the car, claimed she was "too buoyant to be full of water". It is assumed that she died from drowning, although her parents filed a petition preventing an autopsy.

Other questions were asked about Kennedy's decision to swim back to Edgartown. The 150 metre channel had strong currents and only the strongest of swimmers would have been able to make the journey safely. Also no one saw Kennedy arrive back at the Shiretown Inn in wet clothes. Ross Richards, who had a conversation with Kennedy the following morning at the hotel described him as casual and at ease.

Kennedy did not inform the police of the accident while he was at the hotel. Instead at 9am he joined Gargan and Markham on the ferry back to Chappaquiddick. Steve Ewing, the ferry operator, reported Kennedy in a jovial mood. It was only when Kennedy reached the island that he phoned the authorities about the accident that had taken place the previous night.

Dr. Robert Watt, Kennedy's family doctor, explained his patient's strange behaviour by claiming he was in a state of shock and confusion and "possible concussion."

642 eowyn2  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:42:33pm

re: #589 POLAR WIND

I didnt know. I'm soooo sorry. I didnt know that when I (as a Christian) support the state of Israel I am doing so in the hopes of imposing Christianity on the whole world. I will have to contact the ARA and find out how I can atone for my myriad sins against the Paliatropes.

On another note, I have five bucks that says there is a link between the ARA and ANSWER. I have not researched it but if anyone cares to, please let me know the answer (horrid pun)

643 Ma Sands  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:42:55pm

re: #636 jcm

Funny......I read tons back then, being in the newspaper world......I can even see the page in my mind, where I read the quotes of her family & friends.....though I could not tell you now, where I read it.....

644 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:43:16pm

re: #625 mahatma coat

About 5 day

645 Suzette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:43:34pm

re: #631 Francisco D'Anconia

Very true....but then again....I think Render posted something VDH early this morning:

[Link: www.victorhanson.com...]

Civilization is always a little slow to respond....it will though.

646 Roger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:44:12pm

#640 blue_like_jazz

Yea, I wish Earth2Moonbat would post again.

647 eowyn2  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:45:09pm

re: #624 Mike C.

my grip was engraved

648 Suzette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:45:39pm

pimf
*VDH wrote and h/t to Render :)

649 paint-right  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:46:49pm

re: #606 NY Nana

re: #536 paint-right

Yuck! I would have screamed for my husband to get it...I am bug-phobic. He always laughs and shakes his head. Daughter is even worse. She called us at 2 AM, years ago..there were water bugs in her apartment in a NY Borough..we are almost at the CT boder. She was holed up in her bedroom, door closed..we actually had to go, and I stayed with her til hubby took care of it.

Now that she is married, and has an almost 1 year old? She would kill a snake!

We still tease her, though, as do her brothers.

BBL..dinner time.

yeah , having kids eliminates lots of fears especially of the dark

/but not snakes and spiders unless they are actually attacking!
// attacking the kid! Lol

650 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:50:20pm

re: #644 bulwrk

pimf /a day

651 Carl B  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:51:06pm

It's a mad rush to the finish line! Only 430 to the magic number...

652 jcm  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:53:02pm

re: #647 eowyn2

re: #624 Mike C.

my grip was engraved

Grip's not engraved, just functional.

653 windybon  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:55:58pm

I started out this morning on the dead thread with the whole page reloading when I hit 'new comments' and once again this is happening. Anyone else having this problem? It fixed itself after hitting the 'new comments' a few times. Here's hoping it does so again.

654 DANEgerus  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:57:45pm

The NIE is useless... unless Bush "ignores" it demonstrating his complicity in 9/11 of course...

Richard Clarke is such a whore.

655 NY Nana  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 3:59:27pm

re: #597 HDrepub

Thanks! They are not kosher..I just checked.

656 so.cal.swede  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 4:02:49pm

re: #528 FQ Kafir

re: #507 BabbaZee

Glad to hear it.

This might make you smile.

that creeped *me* out.

657 Strike Hornet  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 4:43:39pm

Well Mr. Bush, I do sleep better knowing those damn US Border Patrol Agents you put in Jail won't be "killing anymore Mexican Drug Smugglers"...
Thanks for keeping us safe!
/puke

658 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 4:50:02pm

#454 Xros

quoted because it was nearly my exact thought.


I think that thought is going to start growing on people, like a fungus

659 EE  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:02:50pm

Comment by Brit Hume today on Fox News' Special Report (as best as I can recall the words he used):

And what would the jihadis of Al Qaida in Iraq be doing if they weren't in Iraq? Sipping tea?
660 William  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:08:20pm

Funny to hear Richard Clarke talk about Iraq and islamic terrorists in 2007.

If the "mainstream" media were doing their job, instead of simply looking to quite partisan hit men, they would quote Richard Clarke talking about Iraq and islamic terrorists in 1999:


The Washington Post
January 23, 1999; Page A02

Official Cites Gains Against Bin Laden

By Vernon Loeb

Richard A. Clarke, the Clinton administration's senior counterterrorism official, provided new information in defense of President Clinton's decision to fire Tomahawk cruise missiles at the El Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan, in retaliation for Osama bin Laden's role in the Aug. 7 embassy bombings.

While U.S. intelligence officials disclosed shortly after the missile attack that they had obtained a soil sample from the El Shifa site that contained a precursor of VX nerve gas, Clarke said that the U.S. government is "sure" that Iraqi nerve gas experts actually produced a powdered VX-like substance at the plant that, when mixed with bleach and water, would have become fully active VX nerve gas.

Clarke said U.S. intelligence does not know how much of the substance was produced at El Shifa or what happened to it. But he said that intelligence exists linking bin Laden to El Shifa's current and past operators, the Iraqi nerve gas experts, and the National Islamic Front in Sudan.

Given the evidence presented to the White House before the airstrike, Clarke said, the president "would have been derelict in his duties if he didn't blow up the facility."

[Link: freedomagenda.com...]

661 EE  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:23:39pm

Richard Clarke's war against himself
[Link: www.time.com...]

662 Nannette  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:28:29pm
“Given that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq until we invaded there,” says Clarke,

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/100days/par t1.html

A senior al Qaida terrorist, now detained, who had been responsible for al Qaida training camps in Afghanistan, reports that al Qaida was intent on obtaining WMD assistance from Iraq. According to a credible, high-level al Qaida source, Usama Bin Laden and deceased al Qaida leader Muhammad Atif did not believe that al Qaida labs in Afghanistan were capable of manufacturing chemical and biological weapons, so they turned to Iraq for assistance. Iraq agreed to provide chemical and biological weapons training for two al Qaida associates starting in December 2000.

Senior al Qaida associate Abu Musab al-Zarqawi came to Baghdad in May 2002 for medical treatment along with approximately two dozen al Qaida terrorist associates. This group stayed in Baghdad and other parts of Iraq and plotted terrorist attacks around the world.

A safe haven in Iraq belonging to Ansar al-Islam -- a terrorist group closely associated with Zarqawi and al Qaida -- was destroyed during Operation Iraqi Freedom. In March 2003, during a raid on the compound controlled by the terrorists in northeastern Iraq, a cache of documents was discovered, including computer discs and foreign passports belonging to fighters from various Middle East nationalities.

The al Qaida affiliate Ansar al-Islam is known to still be present in Iraq. Such terrorist groups are now plotting against U.S. forces in Iraq.

Law enforcement and intelligence operations have disrupted al Qaida associate Abu Musab Zarqawi's poison plotting in France, Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany, and Russia. The facilities in Northern Iraq, set up by Zarqawi and Ansar al-Islam were, before the war, an al Qaida's poisons/toxins laboratory.

Abu Musa Zarqawi, the al Qaida associate with direct links to Iraq, oversaw those responsible for the assassination of USAID officer Laurence Foley in Amman, Jordan last October.

663 EE  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:33:24pm

Richard Clarke is devoted to making himself look good during his time as head of counter-terrorism prior to 9/11. To do this, he has resorted to blaming President Bush, and has emerged now, in his contradictory versions of history and his self-promoting remarks, as a foe of President Bush. He has an axe to grind. That makes it bizarre that ABC's Brian Ross would go to Richard Clarke for an objective opinion, when Richard Clarke has already made it abundantly clear that he is a foe of Bush, and seeks to write history to make himself the hero -- that is, when Richard Clarke sees everything through the prism of bashing Bush and promoting himself.

664 Sommerfeld  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:41:20pm

It's disappointing that the actual "meat" of this report is less than two pages. And for whatever reason, the use of the capitalized Homeland creeps me out.

665 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:42:26pm
666 Falco  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:55:19pm

In 1999 Richard Clarke saved the life of Osama bin Laden
I have a lot of additional information on Mr. Richard Clarke, and I invite LGF guests to correspond on this topic.
My organization was first to publicly break the following news on FOX News, CNN, radio, and print media at the following URL:
http://www.savethefalcons.org/Home.aspx
Mr. Clarke was the administrative bottleneck when he reviewed the overhead photographs of the Afghan royal falconry camp, where UBL was hosted as a VIP guest of the UAE Foreign Minister Sheikh Hamdan bin Zayed.
During 9/11 Commission Hearings, Clarke abbreviated his testimony, and his testimony appears to be deliberately misleading.
To Senator Gorton, Clarke characterized that royal hunting camp as a "luxury hunting camp", when in fact that royal falconry camp was al-Qaeda's "Board Room".
Clarke should have explained in the 9/11 Commission Hearings, that after Clarke called off the bombing of that royal falconry hunting camp, Clarke finally 'closed the deal' for his sale of 80 F-16 tactical fighter jets to the UAE, that he had been trying to consumate for a long time.
And, the man who 'signed the check' for those jets (in a 6.4 Billion $ deal) was Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed, the full brother of Sheikh Hamdan who was hosting UBL in the camp.
ie. it appears to be quid pro quo, after saving the life of Sheikh Hamdan and UBL, Clarke was rewarded with his jet deal. Please check slides # 13, 14, and 15 at the following URL:
http://www.savethefalcons.org/powerpoint.asp
Clarke did not disclose the name of Sheikh Hamdan who was hosting UBL, nor did he expain the metrics of his jet deal. Due to these details, I propose that Mr. Clarke is a traitor.
My organization, the Union for the Conservation of Raptors needs your help and support, so if you want to join us, here's your chance:
http://www.savethefalcons.org/joinus_form.aspx

667 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:54:38pm

Falco #666

Dude you make a good point. But 666?
P.S. just incase satin leave Saddam tonight and comes to get you....
I loved the link to savethefaaalcons

668 Pierre_Legrand[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 8:01:42pm
669 Athos  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 11:47:23pm

From the 1998 Federal Grand Jury Indictment against UBL -

According to the indictment, bin Laden and al Qaeda forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in Sudan and with representatives of the Government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezballah with the goal of working together against their common enemies in the West, particularly the United States.

"In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq," the indictment said.

Richard Clarke sure has a selective memory. WaPost Reporter Vernon Leob wrote in a 1/23/99 article - "Embassy Attacks Thwarted, US Says"

Clarke did provide new information in defense of Clinton’s decision to fire Tomahawk cruise missiles at the El Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan, in retaliation for bin Laden’s role in the Aug. 7 embassy bombings.

While U.S. intelligence officials disclosed shortly after the missile attack that they had obtained a soil sample from the El Shifa site that contained a precursor of VX nerve gas, Clarke said that the U.S. government is “sure” that Iraqi nerve gas experts actually produced a powdered VX-like substance at the plant that, when mixed with bleach and water, would have become fully active VX nerve gas.

Clarke said U.S. intelligence does not know how much of the substance was produced at El Shifa or what happened to it. But he said that intelligence exists linking bin Laden to El Shifa’s current and past operators, the Iraqi nerve gas experts and the National Islamic Front in Sudan.

Given the evidence presented to the White House before the airstrike, Clarke said, the president “would have been derelict in his duties if he didn’t blow up the facility.”

Clarke is rapidly approaching Joe Wilson territory in terms of credibility.

No.....Clarke is equal to Wilson in terms of credibility. But that wouldn't stop Ross or others in the MSM to dote over Clarke like they dote on Wilson / Plame or Momma Moonbat.

670 spikester  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 11:24:57pm

Trust them...would they lie to YOU?


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