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-RetweetCAIR Chairman Parvez Ahmed: Bush Has Islamophobia

Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 5:39:25 pm PDT

CAIR official Parvez Ahmed says President Bush suffers from the dreaded “Islamophobia:” Bush office is anti-Muslim, group says.

CAIR is on a major PR push to counteract the negative impact of being named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas funding trial—and this is what they come up with. They must sense that Bush is weak politically.

“The new perception is that the United States has entered a war with Islam itself,” said Parvez Ahmed, chairman of the national board of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

“Terrorism is a tactic. You cannot eradicate it by declaring a war against it. The war on terror is causing us infinitely more harm than the terrorists could have ever imagined.”

Mr. Ahmed, who spoke at CAIR symposium at the National Press Club, said the war against terrorists is driven by an “irrational” fear that the Bush administration has inculcated in the American public. The chance of being killed in a terrorist attack, he said, is 1 in 80,000 over a lifetime.

“It is important to bear in mind that terrorists cannot destroy America,” he said as a member of a panel discussing the symposium theme, “Attacking Islam: Implications for Social Cohesion and U.S. Relations with the Muslim World.” The U.S., he said, is too powerful and too resourceful for terrorists to destroy.

The Bush Administration’s policies in Iraq has driven a deep wedge between Muslim’s and non-Muslim people in the United States, he said.

“Policies driven by fear will be naturally irrational. Thus in this state of irrationality the Bush administration often through their surrogates have resorted to fear-mongering. This has unleashed a vicious cycle, one in which fear leads to bad policies and bad policies lead to more fear.

“The popular discourse in America today remains mired in stereotypical denouncements about Islam. As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned.”

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1 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:40:19pm

Dibs!

2 chief long name  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:40:39pm

hello?

3 bigdicksplace  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:42:17pm

Parvez Ahmed has obviously never met me.

4 mrdriven  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:43:10pm

anyone who will not

a) submit to islam
b) pay the gizya to islam
c) die

has islamaphobia according to cair...

and i just read that iraqis and other mideasterners are being smuggled into the country... when will we learn?!?!?

5 Beagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:43:17pm
“It is important to bear in mind that terrorists cannot destroy America,”


That's where we, the Islamist Fifth Column, come in. It's all here in the Muslim Brotherhood Project.

6 WindHorse  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:43:22pm

This islamic mouthpiece is delusional... I am afraid that someday, this idjit will come to appreciate the words "misunderstood, feared and shunned" a little more fully...

7 Rain Patriot  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:43:27pm

Seems everyone's still occupied with the other thread.

What is there to say about this one? This talk should be unsurprising from fools, and downright expected at this point from open hostiles such as CAIR.

Ho hum.

8 christheprofessor  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:44:07pm

CAIR has BDS...

9 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:44:25pm

"CAIR is on a major PR push to counteract the negative impact of being named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas funding trial—and this is what they come up with. They must sense that Bush is weak politically."

Reminds me of the old saying that went something like,,,
"When they're chasing you out of the town, go with your head held high. It'll look like your leading the parade "

10 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:44:36pm

But they can't stop seething and censoring...

Mr. Keene said CAIR feeds negative perceptions of Islam with a similarly censorious and hypersensitive attitude toward American newspapers, magazines, and radio and television networks.

"We are meeting today at the National Press Club, which is in a way a living memorial to the freedom of the press that is so important a part of the American tradition. The platform on which we speak is open to all because we believe in the right even of those with whom we disagree to speak their minds. But some reporters have been barred by CAIR from covering this panel because by criticizing CAIR or its policies they have been condemned as anti-Muslim when they are, in fact, simply reporters doing their jobs," he said.

A reporter for The Washington Times was the only reporter asked to leave the room today. After she was escorted out, the doors to the session, which had remained open, were closed.

11 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:44:40pm
The chance of being killed in a terrorist attack, he said, is 1 in 80,000 over a lifetime.

/but if you are killed in a terrorist attack, there's a 99% chance the perpetrator will be Muslim

12 abolitionist  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:45:16pm

The principal cause of islamophobia is islam.

Whoever said I have been made victorious with terror was a terrorist.

13 Capt_Faust  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:45:40pm

Come one Come All and step right up...

In this tent you will see the incredible shrinking CAIR..

Thats right folks, tell your friends that you saw it before it vanished...

The incredible shrink-KING CAIR...

Just 5 dollars will get you through the door, or make a donation to our sister charity the Holy Land Foundation...

/ Warning, spectators in the first 5 rows may get bombed...

14 Joel  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:45:48pm

Bush has Islamophobia! Is that like having the heartache of psoriasis?

15 firepilot  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:45:59pm

Thats funny. I always thought the leading cause of "Islamophobia" was Islam.

16 Macker  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:46:01pm

LAN ASTASLEM. I will NOT Submit!

17 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:46:02pm
18 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:46:41pm

re: #11 Killian Bundy


Killian ,,, with the US population at about 3 million, that would add up to 3,750 people ,,, !

19 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:46:43pm

Of course:
Bush has Islamophobia and so many crazy whacked out Moooz-lum
think it can be cured with a little napalm/C4 salve (balm) . They would
like to balm you up too!

20 wrathofasma  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:46:44pm

And just a week ago Bush spoke at that Islamic Center in DC, with CAIR possibly in attendance. In addition, CAIR has first dibs on who will be envoy to the OIC. This kind of crap is getting old.

BTW, does anyone know who Joe Colombo is?

21 Joel  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:46:52pm

Islamophobia - the fear of people who really want to kill you.

22 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:46:59pm
23 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:47:05pm

I can't wait until they get a taste of President Rudy!

24 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:47:16pm
“The new perception is that the United States has entered a war with Islam itself,”...


Well, maybe those fatwas about killing me and my family had something to do with it.

25 PeaceBeUponHim  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:47:32pm

Jihadwatch had a pretty good rebuttal to this: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017419.php

26 m  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:47:39pm

Yeah. This is hilarious.

27 tripster  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:47:51pm

Ah, but it's not about destroying America. It's about finding enough liberals dumb enough to allow sharia law to consume as allowing them to subjugate us.

28 Wishing  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:48:00pm

still havent hit 4M...bummer

29 me  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:48:23pm

re: #11 Killian Bundy


Very succinct

30 grumpy old codger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:49:10pm

"misunderstood, fear and shunned"...

Gee, I wonder why? Guess exploding slimes across the Western world has just been coincidental. Maybe my fear od decapitation is irrational? Maybe my fear of public transit or high buildings is the result of my Christian background? Maybe my fear for my Jewish relatives is just an example of psychological displacement?
Or, maybe, THEY ARE OUT TO KILL ME!

32 Capt_Faust  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:49:22pm

re: #15 firepilot

Thats funny. I always thought the leading cause of "Islamophobia" was Islam.

DING DING DING DING DING DING...

/ Give that Lizard a prize!

33 Captain Jack  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:49:23pm

Mr. Ahmed, ROFLMAO!

34 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:49:40pm

re: #20 wrathofasma


BTW, does anyone know who Joe Colombo is?

A bad man.

/Joseph Colombo

35 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:49:50pm
"The chance of being killed in a terrorist attack, he said, is 1 in 80,000 over a lifetime."


They are trying to improve this however.

36 Wishing  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:50:07pm

i thinhk what CAIR is saying is that the war against the US will look DIFFERENT than the splodeydopes in Paki

37 Milk Toast Intolerant  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:50:39pm
“It is important to bear in mind that terrorists cannot destroy America,” he said

Maybe, but political correctness and bullying tactics by freaks like you are far more dangerous to my country. Now, get the F out of the US and take Islam with you.

38 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:50:41pm

Implicit in the use of the word 'Islamophobia' is this idea that we are all somehow morally obliged to LIKE and RESPECT a faith that declares that we unbelievers are the 'worst of all created beings'. That's the sort of point that needs to be made right back at them whenever they open their mouths with this kind of nonsense. No more tip-toeing on egg shells.

39 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:51:01pm

I don't think that Bush has Islamophobia. But I agree that his policies haven't helped matters.

40 gruvin  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:51:04pm

The Bush Administration’s policies in Iraq has driven a deep wedge between Muslim’s and non-Muslim people in the United States, he said.

That's it, the policies in Iraq. Certainly not the Quran, commanding Muslims to destroy all other faiths. I had it wrong all along...

41 Timbre  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:51:18pm
CAIR official Parvez Ahmed says President Bush suffers from the dreaded “Islamophobia:” Bush office is anti-Muslim, group says.

Yeah, right. That's why President Bush and the State Department terminated diplomatic and trade relations with Saudi Arabia for their refusal to allow Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, and others from practicing their faith and being allowed to build churches, synagogues, and temples in KSA!

42 FightingBack  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:51:19pm

GWB has Islamophobia now? Didn't we just see him standing in a Mosque wearing his socks? And didn't he popularize "ROP"? Where's that pic of him and the Saudi overlord walking hand in hand?
Not enough? How far does a Dhimmi have to go before they leave him alone?

43 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:51:27pm

It's interesting to note that Parvez Ahmed is associated with the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida, which is directly behind a small airport.

Up until recently, Shah had made Florida his home. In 1996, he was the Imam of the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida (ICNEF), which is presently the spiritual dwelling of the National Chairman of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Parvez Ahmed. [CAIR, a group created by a front for Hamas, is currently the defendant in a 9/11 lawsuit for the murder of FBI agent John O'Neill.] From at least May of 1996 through May of 1999, Shah acted as a Director for the Islamic center.

About Ahmed, the ICNEF, and their other terror-supporting buds:


Up until recently, Shah had made Florida his home. In 1996, he was the Imam of the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida (ICNEF), which is presently the spiritual dwelling of the National Chairman of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Parvez Ahmed. [CAIR, a group created by a front for Hamas, is currently the defendant in a 9/11 lawsuit for the murder of FBI agent John O'Neill.] From at least May of 1996 through May of 1999, Shah acted as a Director for the Islamic center.


I hope that Florida DHS is watching what flies into and out of that airport.

44 Captain Jack  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:52:09pm

Radical muslims fighting a "Jihad" against western powers from pakistan to lebanon to chechnya to the phillipines to thailand to iraq, what a concept! We will call it the "war on terror" ! yeah!

45 christheprofessor  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:52:12pm

re: #39 ChenZhen

I don't think that Bush has Islamophobia. But I agree that his policies haven't helped matters.

I guess he just isn't nuanced enough...

46 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:52:16pm

re: #39 ChenZhen

I agree, coddling them only enables their behaviour.

47 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:52:17pm

re: #39 ChenZhen

I don't think that Bush has Islamophobia. But I agree that his policies haven't helped matters.

Maybe he should get Islamophobia. The WOT will be over quicker.

48 Rain Patriot  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:52:33pm

re: #11 Killian Bundy

The chance of being killed in a terrorist attack, he said, is 1 in 80,000 over a lifetime.

/but if you are killed in a terrorist attack, there's a 99% chance the perpetrator will be Muslim

Only one in 80,000? Hey guys, that's not so bad. Why, out of a world population of six billion (assuming he means those are the odds for anyone in the world and not just US citizens), divided by 80,000... that means only 75,000 people will be mindlessly slaughtered in the name of Allah every couple of generations. You know. Chump change.

Assuming his figure is correct of course, determined accurately and not deliberately understated... Which I doubt, seeing the rate at which they seem to mow down random men, women and children in Iraq etc.

49 HDrepub  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:53:06pm

re: #11 Killian Bundy

The chance of being killed in a terrorist attack, he said, is 1 in 80,000 over a lifetime.

/but if you are killed in a terrorist attack, there's a 99% chance the perpetrator will be Muslim


Right. Most Muslims aren't terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims.

50 Spiny Norman  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:53:19pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

re: #39 ChenZhen

I agree, coddling them only enables their behaviour.

Exactly.

51 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:53:30pm

The propagandists are busy here in the US and in Iraq. Oh, and those propagandists in Iraq? That would be al Qaeda captured in raids by coalition forces.

52 lowandslow  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:54:51pm
”The popular discourse in America today remains mired in stereotypical denouncements about Islam. As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned."

Then get to work on reformation of your faith. Take out all the calls for violence against infidels in your holy texts and from your leaders, then maybe you wouldn't be so "misunderstood".

53 grumpy old codger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:54:53pm

re: #50 Spiny Norman
Could we coddle them the same way an egg is coddled? Not as quick as beheading, butnonetheless...

54 m  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:55:33pm

re: #39 ChenZhen

He didn't kiss enough muslim ass for you? Funny. He kissed wayyy too much for me.

55 moebius  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:55:38pm

It is the impatient maximalist overreaching of Muslims that will be their undoing. If they waited a generation in Europe and the US, they'd be entrenched and able to turn the West into a Muslim hellhole. But they couldn't wait. CAIR has been marginalized. Only its money makes it a threat, and money alone won't allow it to bring Shariah law to the US.

CAIR will soon adopt more drastic, backed-into-the-corner tactics. Then it will be outlawed as a terrorist organization itself, and not just a supporter of terrorists.

Islam, your days are numbered, no matter how many children you produce, Inshallah.

56 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:55:46pm

Has Pirkie Kattyie Couric (sorry can't spell and only know 500 words)
Said that we cant use the "I" word yet?

57 littleoldlady  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:56:12pm

And here I was thinking Bush has been overly kish tuchkas with Muslims.

58 mbruce  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:57:32pm

See , here is the deal, for centuries we all "misunderstood" Islam and just thought of it as this quaint 'religion" from the ME. Now, as we all start to actually study and understand it, we see it for what it is, and it is incompatible with Western life. I agree, no more walking on eggshells, no more appeasement, no more "tolerance" of an intolerant, vicious creed.

59 ted  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:58:21pm

.” The U.S., he said, is too powerful and too resourceful for terrorists to destroy"

That means you'll stop trying, right?

Right ?

60 Wishing  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:58:40pm

re: #58 mbruce

See , here is the deal, for centuries we all "misunderstood" Islam and just thought of it as this quaint 'religion" from the ME. Now, as we all start to actually study and understand it, we see it for what it is, and it is incompatible with Western life. I agree, no more walking on eggshells, no more appeasement, no more "tolerance" of an intolerant, vicious creed.

For the US public consumption they WILL dress it up...make it *palatable* to americans, who are dumb enuf to believe em

61 HDrepub  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:58:48pm

re: #52 lowandslow

”The popular discourse in America today remains mired in
stereotypical denouncements about Islam. As a result Muslims and their
faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned."

Then
get to work on reformation of your faith. Take out all the calls for
violence against infidels in your holy texts and from your leaders,
then maybe you wouldn't be so "misunderstood".

Their problem is they aren't "misunderstood". The reality is a lot of we plain folks are onto their game called "jihad", and understand perfectly what they are about.

62 Jimmah  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:58:58pm

re: #35 Ojoe

And what are the chances of being killed in an Islamophobic rage attack? Notice that he doesn't ponder that one.

63 daughter of patriots  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 5:59:36pm

I wish our President was more publicly alert to the dangers of the political ideology known as Islam.

64 Wishing  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:00:42pm

re: #63 daughter of patriots

I wish our President was more publicly alert to the dangers of the political ideology known as Islam.

i honestly dont think u can seperate the religious aspects from the political aspirations...bound up together

65 HDrepub  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:01:03pm

re: #59 ted

.” The U.S., he said, is too powerful and too resourceful for terrorists to destroy"

That means you'll stop trying, right?

Right ?

They aren't trying in the usual sense and that's what terror is all about. Kill enough innocents and just maybe the enemy will throw in the towel.

66 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:01:23pm

re: #47 NJDhockeyfan

re: #39 ChenZhen


I don't think that Bush has Islamophobia. But I agree that his policies haven't helped matters.

Maybe he should get Islamophobia. The WOT will be over quicker.

Over? How?

67 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:01:36pm

Islamophobia is healthy responsibility. I'm in.

68 Milk Toast Intolerant  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:02:11pm

Since they're now accusing Bush of Islamophobia, I think Bush should remove the Koran from the presidential library which he added last year. Then, Bush should resume using the word "Islamofascists" in describing our enemies, and also stop all Muslims from entering the United States.

69 LoFlyer  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:02:59pm

CAIR is tanking, membership is down to only 20,000 and even the media is starting to realize that CAIR has pushed the "Islamaphobic" button so often that most of us quit listening to CAIR years ago and do not understand how or why the liberal media can be so gullible and easily manipulated. The FBI and half of the federal agencies are nearly as bad. Islamic sensitivity training performed by CAIR for the FBI is a advertisement of political correctness run amok.

70 WeaselZipper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:03:59pm

CAIR would enjoy this!

Guess Who's Behind Homosexuality? The Joos...

From their list:

Harvey Fierstein — film actor [Mrs. Doubtfire]; well-known gay activist.
Moisés Kaufman — playwright and film director [The Laramie Project].

Israel Fishman — founder of the Gay Liberation Caucus in 1970 [now known as the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgendered Round Table of the American Library Association], the world’s first gay professional organization.

Bella Abzug and Edward Koch — both Jewish — the first members of the U.S. House of Representatives to introduce legislation banning discrimination based on sexual orientation [1974].

71 FightingBack  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:04:03pm

"The chance of being killed in a terrorist attack, he said, is 1 in 80,000 over a lifetime."
Thanks, and, if I have a choice, I'll give up your lifetime.

72 PeaceBeUponHim  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:04:25pm

re: #69 LoFlyer

CAIR is tanking, membership is down to only 20,000

I think you mean 1700.

73 Outrider  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:05:42pm
"...As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned..."

Damn! Can't imagine how this could come about? Couldn't have anything to do with multiple acts of terrorism worldwide, 9/11, and threats from these pissant countries threatening to destroy us and our way of life could it?

As far as being misunderstood, the problem (problem?) is, some people understand them all too well.

74 RightOfAtilla  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:06:10pm

1400+ years of throat slitting barbarity and this is what islamonazi apologizers come up with. Any time the rest of the civilized world cares to join up and fight back in this war the assassins have been waging against us is a fine time.

75 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:06:18pm
”The popular discourse in America today remains mired in stereotypical denouncements about Islam. As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned."

Damn right, just read the Koran. The Islamic faith is laid out in detail, for everyone to see.

/it'll clear up any misunderstanding you might have

76 off with my head  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:06:38pm

I'm not Islamaphobic. I just can't stand them.

77 m  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:06:44pm

re: #42 FightingBack

GWB has Islamophobia now? Didn't we just see him standing in a Mosque wearing his socks? And didn't he popularize "ROP"? Where's that pic of him and the Saudi overlord walking hand in hand?
Not enough? How far does a Dhimmi have to go before they leave him alone?

All that and then some, but he isn't dhimmied yet. Ask Saddamn. And the Taliban. And Parvez Ahmed for that matter~ lol.

He's bad. But he's no George Galloway.

78 littleoldlady  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:06:57pm

re: #69 LoFlyer

membership is down to only 20,000

Actually, less than 2000.

the number of reported members spiraled down from more than 29,000 in 2000 to less than 1,700 in 2006, a loss of membership that caused the Muslim rights group's annual income from dues to drop from $732,765 in 2000, when yearly dues cost $25, to $58,750 last year, when the group charged $35.

79 democast  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:08:12pm

Catch DemoCast TV's live blogging from Pastor John Hagee's "Christians United for Israel" being held right now at Washington D.C. Convention Center. Features Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel Ambassador Aridor, Newt Gingrich, Gary Bauer, ex-Israel Ambassador Dore Gold.

80 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:08:18pm

re: #70 WeaselZipper

Here is an exhaustive list proving, once and for all, that the radical homosexual movement in the United States is a Jewish movement. Jews created it and run it from top to bottom. They are pushing the perversion and degeneracy that is spreading disease, sin and sickness through America like a wildfire.-The West


They seem nice.

81 scaramouche  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:09:14pm
“Terrorism is a tactic. You cannot eradicate it by declaring a war against it.

Agreed. Terrorism is a tactic--of the jihad. A tactic approved by you-know-who in the holy you-know-what.

Not mentioning names because I don't want to be accused of Islamophobia.

Actually, I happen to be Islamophilic--but only of pre-Hejira Islam when you-know-who was trying to catch flies with honey and made all those nicey-nicey pronouncements about how killing one person is like killing the whole world, and there being no compulsion in religion.

Now THAT was a real ROP.

82 lowandslow  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:10:00pm

re: #61 HDrepub

Their problem is they aren't "misunderstood". The reality is a lot of we plain folks are onto their game called "jihad", and understand perfectly what they are about.

I'm not saying that they're misunderstood but I also think there are a lot of peaceful Muslims in the world but they do not denounce violence nor do they call for reformation. Until they do, we should be skeptical of all of them.

BTW, Atlas is talking about this right now.
Atlas on the Air.

83 scaramouche  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:11:26pm

#70 WeaselZipper

Guess who's "behind" homosexuality?

A most unfortunate way to express it.

84 stevedecatur  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:11:26pm

CAIR and Bush are like two brothers jealously fighting over attention from daddy (Saudi royals.)

85 sndpaper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:12:23pm

Welll...I can only say that it's truly magnificent that GWB can afflict the world only one more year and a half, minus three days or so.

After he's out of office there'll be surely only two or three things still wrong with the world. His evil power has so corrupted life on planet earth, and his stupidity has him so completely blinded to the horrible effects of all of it, surely God himself will personally see that all is righted. God could not BE so merciless as to leave everything so horribly amiss. His goof with allowing GWB to have this much power and to exercise it so stupidly has personally grieved Him, second only to the Crucifixion, perhaps. I have faith that we have only to suffer thru the next 18 months and the pass will clear. Help will come.

Though I agree that Mr. Bush is totally responsible for everything that's wrong with anyone else's life, there's yet one bit of a cloud with that silver lining. Ending Mr. Bush's second term will have no effect on three of my problems.

After he's gone, I'll still be old, I'll still be broke, and I'll still want more sex than I'm getting.

Dang!

86 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:12:48pm

re: #66 ChenZhen

Since nobody else is answering you: By monitoring mosques and Islamist organizations, By paying extra attention to muslim men between 20 and 35, By monitoring immigration from Muslim countries, etc.

87 daughter of patriots  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:13:25pm

re: #64 Wishing

re: #63 daughter of patriots

I wish our President was more publicly alert to the dangers of the political ideology known as Islam.

i honestly dont think u can seperate the religious aspects from the political aspirations...bound up together

Agreed. I believe Bush may be aware privately to the dangers of Islam, but for diplomatic reasons, keeps it close to the vest.

88 Carl B  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:13:29pm
...the war against terrorists is driven by an “irrational” fear that the Bush administration has inculcated in the American public. The chance of being killed in a terrorist attack, he said, is 1 in 80,000 over a lifetime

Maybe CAIR should concentrate more on reducing the "1 in 80,000" figure rather than telling Americans and our President that we are being "irrational." Muslim terror is a very real phenomenon, not some collective hallucination.

89 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:13:34pm

I'm sure that after the Moors were kicked back to North Africa and the
ME for years people said "...we must never forget...


On the other hand, any bet's on how long it will take before
“Islamophobia" is recognized as a mental illness covered by Medicaid
medical, and your insurance; complete with preexisting conditions?

90 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:14:45pm
91 hiker  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:14:46pm

Hey, CAIR! Kiss my ass!

92 itellu3times  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:14:56pm
”The popular discourse in America today remains mired in stereotypical denouncements about Islam. As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned."

Works for me.

And in fact, isn't that exactly what Muslims want?

93 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:15:07pm
94 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:15:44pm

"Parvez"? What kind of sissy name is *that*? I bet the kids called him "Parv the perv" groing up before they snatched his sack lunch and stomped it on the ground. Did they call him "Vezzy the lezzy" before they gave him a massive wedgie?

95 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:15:45pm

re: #84 stevedecatur

No, CAIR is an instrument of the Muslim Brotherhood. The MB is funded by the Saudis, among others. CAIR is used by the MB to infiltrate America and pressure media, politicians & society to accept & submit to them.

96 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:15:52pm

"preexisting conditions"
When the feds force Charles to open his DB I'm boned

97 ErisLDysnomia  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:16:04pm

Islamophobic is wrong word ... We are Islamo-revulsed ... revulsed by the supremacist, imperialist, mysogynistic, racist, totalitarian, irrational death cult.

Islam is at least 1,000 years obsolete and its adherents need to get off their fat honor-vulnerable asses and do something about it ... before it's too late for them and forcible conversions to more modern religions are demanded.

98 Wishing  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:16:44pm

re: #87 daughter of patriots

if we dont call it what it is, a religious war, then we wont ever deal with it. the only thing that will defeat these whackos is TRUTH, in the words of craig winn

99 meMarc  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:16:54pm

Parvez Ahmed has a truthphobia.

100 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:17:12pm
101 El Guape  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:17:26pm

I'm not sure what the big deal is. A phobia, by definition, is an uncontrollable fear of something. It's hardly anything to be stigmatized...just a condition. Brought on by 1400 years of warfare, in this case.

102 bryantms  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:17:28pm

This is so totally OT - but I thought it was cool. Here is a list of as many rotating titles as I could gather:

charlie sheen and scientists agree
active anguish in a context of flux
overdrawn at the bank of karma
you gonna eat that potato?
always the rabbit of hunger
aggressive tentacles penetrating nearly every nation on earth
he's got a head on him like a rabbit
new world odor
now with 100% more blasphemy!
strangely filling
stone the unfaithful monkey
now, nobody dance!
there is no hell. there is only France.
active anguish in a context of flux
you only get flats when you don't seethe glass
judging from the large number of shoes
a preserving blog
you know you're over the target when you start receiving flak
deer hunting without an accordion
vicious killer monkey thuggery
if you have to ask, it isn't shock and awe
declear the crusade and be unite
overdrawn at the bank of karma
whip it out!
lost and found
you are not fair and thank you
quenching the fire of the oppressed
pagination is neocon hegemonic apartheid!
helping moonbats sleep soundly
aquilae non captant muscas
banned in Saudi Arabia!
nobody's human
this is true internet dictatorship
govern yourself accordingly!
those who are tardy do not get fruit cup
redlining the BS detector since 9/12
the monkey says, play the ukulele
this space unintentionally left blank
frogmarching into the future
a volcano of debauchery
it's a family affair
the dogs bark, but the caravan moves on
judging from the large number of shoes
it's not a bug, it's a filter
we don't feel like satan
everybody look at your hands
just a guy with a toolbox
anti-idiotarian headquarters
who can foretell the dire consequences?
flying monkeys from the dark side
free onions for life!
totalitarian underpinnings optional
removing dust under poor lighting conditions
bizarre yet painfully humorous
i've got it! toasters!
nobody would have the idea
a veritable buzzsaw of facts
I think we're overloading Ajax
would you like fries with that?
reasonably competent computer enthusiasts
the lowest of the low
time to put on big boy pants
he's got a head on him like a rabbit
ignorance is blix
moving every zig for great justice
a complete lack of respect for the basic moral principle of universality
strangely filling
declear the crusade and be unite
the past is dust
disrespectful players of no upbringing
the sound of one synapse snapping
now with 100% more natural ring
who blow up da owl?
refiltered osmotic morbidity
you are not fair and thank you
sunbathing in the van allen belt
do not trust the shover robot
a sane moral compass
a kind of crazed and demented watchdog
the internet needs filters
mad blog rabble, never satisfied
bizarre yet painfully humorous
History doesn't repeat itself. It stutters.
coherent questions is birocracy frase!
you guys just halve no clue
a tough room
ravaging the geopolitical sphere
ur not gonna smell paradies
the terrible infant speaks
may cause mutation
do not drink idiotic!
real code for unreal humans
unbanned by the BBC!
luring disco dollies to a life of vice
we do not work on the basis of assumptions
tackling pithy conundrums
this is true internet dictatorship
banned in dubai
germans at the alamo
a bunch of scruffy no-names
ban fascist headwinds
brainwave samplings
do not mention comment #17
lair of the odious neanderthal
don't panic right away
especially put black and thick packet on the head
pump up the bass, Qusay
journey heaven is a funky moose
please more print and distribute and get blessing
don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers
premature optimization is the root of all evil
to Morlocks as Morlocks are to Eloi
may the cannibals be cursed!
cannot just be sitted idly by by
a revenge of the song of the blog
arranging for impudent party
what's the ugliest part of your body?
mangler of memes
I don't want to use Wade's hairbrush!
may impair your ability
exceedingly scary
Microsoft lied, database died!
there are mischiefs to be cured
home of the nodrog
a metaphorical 747
confusion and paradox
7 out of 10 laboratory mice prefer it
don't indiscriminately go wild!

103 bryantms  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:17:39pm

democracy, whisky, sexy!
always the rabbit of hunger
outside the haughty hegemonic box of imperial thought
notoriously dilettantish
militarized theocratic sheep police
unh. can't help myself.
an over-reliance on reason
democracy. it's a beautiful thing.
reality is a mistake, we must rectify it

104 WeaselZipper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:18:36pm

re: #83 scaramouche

#70 WeaselZipper

Guess who's "behind" homosexuality?

A most unfortunate way to express it.

No pun intended ; )

105 Sir Lurksalot  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:18:45pm
Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned

Just get rid of the mis and he's got it right.

106 Carl B  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:18:49pm

re: #75 Killian Bundy

”The popular discourse in America today remains mired in stereotypical denouncements about Islam. As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned."

Damn right, just read the Koran. The Islamic faith is laid out in detail, for everyone to see.

/it'll clear up any misunderstanding you might have

Also shouted from every mosque, islamic website, newpaper headline and government pronouncement. But they don't really mean what they say...

107 Jay777  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:19:23pm
108 Milk Toast Intolerant  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:20:05pm

You know, if the freaks at CAIR has their way, everyone of us here at LGF will be thrown in jail for offending Islam.

109 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:20:39pm

Maybe we use use some of this Ajax stuff on this situation.

110 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:20:47pm
111 theheat  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:20:48pm

Bush's office is a lot of things, but it isn't anti-Islamic.

Blundering.
Disappointing.
Traitorous.
Laughable.

But certainly not anti-Islamic. If anything, it's anti-American.

112 Wishing  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:20:57pm

re: #108 Milk Toast Intolerant

well...i look good in stripes lol

113 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:20:58pm

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

Damm! Back to onions, cabbage and spuds. And just when I was starting
to like store bought tomato'!

114 WeaselZipper  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:21:03pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

re: #70 WeaselZipper


Here is an exhaustive list proving, once and for all, that the radical homosexual movement in the United States is a Jewish movement. Jews created it and run it from top to bottom. They are pushing the perversion and degeneracy that is spreading disease, sin and sickness through America like a wildfire.-The West

They seem nice.

Behind every rock is a Jooo waiting to kill a Moe'slum! Must suck being so paranoid..

115 Odinist  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:21:09pm

re: #97 ErisLDysnomia

before it's too late for them and forcible conversions to more modern religions are demanded.

I don't think that would be a good path to take... If you were forced to convert to another religion, would you do it peacefully or go down fighting?

It would only turn out more Jihadis and 'martyrs'...

116 Charles  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:21:37pm

bryantms: you need a hobby. Heh.

I think you missed 20 or so.

117 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:22:09pm

Muslims are taught not to have infidel friends, not to shake hands with Jews, not to respect non-Sharia laws... and yet we're the ones they call phobic?

118 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:22:40pm

re: #114 WeaselZipper

I wonder if Chenzen can blame Muslim Homophabia and antisemitism on Bush?

119 Milk Toast Intolerant  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:23:32pm

re: #110 buzzsawmonkey

re: #108 Milk Toast Intolerant

You know, if the freaks at CAIR has their way, everyone of us here at LGF will be thrown in jail for offending Islam.

In other words, put in the I-slammer.

Roger that. Tis better to be jailed for criticizing an evil cult than live life as a coward like the liberal media want us to.

120 bryantms  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:23:43pm

This is so totally OT - but I thought it was pretty re: #116 Charles

I've got 'em saved in a .txt file so I'll be have to write them down as I come across them.

And yes, I need a hobby!

121 LoFlyer  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:23:46pm

Oops, I stand corrected. So its even worse than I thought. 1700 members out of a country of 300 million. Those that are left must be the hard core "christiaphobics". Still can't understand why they are not being investigated by the feds. CAIR has made an art out of manipulating the media, The media elite don't even recognize how stupid they look to most of their viewers as they breathlessly repeat CAIR propaganda word for word just they did with "Baghdad Bob" before Iraq went down. I remember watching the US Marines at Baghdad airport shooting it out with the Iraqi military and generally kicking ass while the idiot commenter was mouthing "Baghdad Bob's" latest about the Iraqi's routing the Marines at the airport. They can't even see the truth before their eyes without broadcasting the enemies propaganda as the gospel. Why is it no surprise they believe anything CAIR says?

122 Padrino  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:23:52pm

I would take that as a compliment from CAIR. What they are really calling him is a good American and a decent human being.

123 Killian Bundy  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:24:09pm

re: #107 Jay777

Blog Reaction Roundup:

/oh look, it's the King of the blog pimps

124 meMarc  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:24:21pm

re: #70 WeaselZipper

CAIR would enjoy this!

Guess Who's Behind Homosexuality? The Joos...

From their list:

Harvey Fierstein %uFFFD film actor [Mrs. Doubtfire]; well-known gay activist.
Mois%uFFFDs Kaufman %uFFFD playwright and film director [The Laramie Project].

Israel Fishman %uFFFD founder of the Gay Liberation Caucus in 1970 [now known as the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgendered Round Table of the American Library Association], the world%uFFFDs first gay professional organization.

Bella Abzug and Edward Koch %uFFFD both Jewish %uFFFD the first members of the U.S. House of Representatives to introduce legislation banning discrimination based on sexual orientation [1974].

But there is no connection between islam and terrorism.

125 moebius  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:24:45pm

As Princess Leia said to the Grand Moff Tarkin: "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

CAIR has done a great disservice to "moderate" Muslims, if such a "silent Muslim majority" exists at all, in that it has defined itself and become acknowledged as the leading Muslim "civil rights" organization in the US. Thus, this Islamist organization has become conflated with the American Muslim mainstream. Now that the CAIR facade is cracking, so is the perception that there is a Muslim mainstream that does not unequivocally dissociate itself from the violent side of Islam. This has not been helped by the fact that no real organization or movement has risen up to champion an alternative voice of mainstream Muslims. The only "moderate-sounding" Muslims in the media are Fouad Ajami and other brilliant or brilliantly brave individuals who are viewed as apostates by mainstream Muslims.

So CAIR has just accelerated a realization in Americans that there is no such thing as a mainstream moderate Muslim movement. CAIR has done American society a great service in revealing this truth to us. In so doing, CAIR has sowed the seeds of its own demise and has hurt the Muslim community, such as it is. In ten years' time, once the PC phase of American history has passed, Muslims will have to become something else to survive without extreme scrutiny. A new Islam will have to develop, called something else, with new Hadiths, etc. Americans have become cynical about the entire religion, again thanks to CAIR and its chicken-little tactics. CAIR has never seen a Muslim, no matter how criminal or how genocidally hateful, that it has not loved. CAIR has never known a lawsuit too trivial and frivolous that it would not pursue. CAIR has misjudged its own strength - intoxicated by its Gulf state millions - and has misjudged the gullibility of Americans.

Thank you, CAIR, for exposing not just yourself and the reach of Islamism, legal Jihad in the US and the way physical Jihad across the globe is nakedly supported in the US. Thank you also for indirectly showing us, before it is too late, that there is no moderate Islam around to fill the void.

The real moderate Muslims of the future will just have to weather persecution by "mainstream" Muslims, including fear tactics, both real and imagined, until a Muslimoid movement emerges that is compatible with Western civilization. Until then, Muslims deserve scrutiny. When they renounce certain core ideals of this ideology and make a new religion, what else can we do in the West if we are to survive? And CAIR has made the West wake up before it is too late. Again, thank you, CAIR.

126 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:24:47pm
Some day in the future, reasonable people will look back on this time in the history of our country and shake their heads in disbelief at the insanity currently being promulgated as mainstream Democratic dogma. Personally I don't think the trend to elect these incompetent morons and surrender experts suggests the end of democracy, as much as it is a harbinger of the collapse of the Democratic Party. This political party has become so narcissistic and dysfunctional it no longer serves any purpose at all except to be a living, breathing suicide note written by the left.
127 grumpy old codger  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:26:16pm

re: #89 spikester
I'm sure that sudden jihadi Syndrome (SJS) and numerous other moslem-type disorders will quickly be entered into the DSMR-II. After that happens, noone will be accused of hatred towards (pick one) Jews/Chritians/Pagans/Atheists/etc.. Rather, the excuse will be the action was induced by Western imperialism, racism, etc..

"It wasn't my fault, imam, they, the ___ , made me do it!"

128 dr. akim ullsheetbay  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:26:20pm

re: #124 meMarc

i am a little uncomfortable with the line 'who is behind homosexuality...'

may i push your stool in for you says the man standing at the gay bar...

129 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:26:36pm
130 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:27:22pm

re: #117 Kenneth

Kenneth,

I wouldn't like most Muslims for no other reason that they don't like dogs. Anybody that doesn't like dogs is a shiite for brains in my book. Add to the fact they commit about 98% of the egregious crimes of killing innocents, and that's a double helping of lower than whale shiite.

Dog hating terrorists = ultimate scumbag.

131 dr. akim ullsheetbay  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:27:23pm

wasn't arafat just outed?

132 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:27:55pm

re: #109 2SoonOld2LateSmart

Aaaargh!

Trying the link again.

[Link: video.google.com...]

OK, that links.

(hint - preview your links)

133 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:28:39pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

re: #66 ChenZhen

Since nobody else is answering you: By monitoring mosques and Islamist organizations, By paying extra attention to muslim men between 20 and 35, By monitoring immigration from Muslim countries, etc.

My point is that you cannot win a "war on terror".

134 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:29:35pm
135 hiker  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:30:14pm

I've got a message for you, Parvez: We don't fear islam, we despise it!

136 JWM  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:31:02pm
”The popular discourse in America today remains mired in stereotypical denouncements about Islam. As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned."

Better understanding of islam will result in greater likelihood that muslims will be feared and shunned.

JWM

137 screaming_eagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:31:42pm

re: #125 moebius

I don't think cair is quite viewed like that by mainstream America. But it is headed there and I generally agree with you.

138 Wishing  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:31:44pm

Still, i can hear americans saying, Oh dont make such a big deal about it..just say that alah is right and they will relax. Before u know it, we will have sharia all over the USA

139 Milk Toast Intolerant  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:31:51pm

Harris Faulkner of Fox News just reported 15 dead in a homicide bombing in Pakistan. Eh, even Muslims are not spared the violence of fellow Muslims. So what else is new.

140 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:31:52pm

re: #133 ChenZhen

re: #86 Killgore Trout


re: #66 ChenZhen

Since nobody else is answering you: By monitoring mosques and Islamist organizations, By paying extra attention to muslim men between 20 and 35, By monitoring immigration from Muslim countries, etc.


My point is that you cannot win a "war on terror".

Why not? Should we just throw in the towel and let the vermin take over?

What an insane attitude.

141 nyc redneck  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:32:10pm

re: #76 off with my head

I'm not Islamaphobic. I just can't stand them.

correct. what's to like or admire or respect abt. this bunch of brutal stone age people?

142 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:34:06pm
143 kansas  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:34:19pm

Bush is Islamophobic? He of the Religion of Peace bullshit?
If he is, more power to him. I wish he would speak as if he is.

144 screaming_eagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:34:49pm

re: #139 Milk Toast Intolerant

Prolly some muslims that weren't muslim enough.

145 EE  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:35:31pm

No, CAIR. No Parvez Ahmed. It isn't Bush. Read the National Intelligence Estimate:

We judge the US Homeland will face a persistent and evolving terrorist threat over the next three years. The main threat comes from Islamic terrorist groups and cells, especially al-Qa'ida, driven by their undiminished intent to attack the Homeland and a continued effort by these terrorist groups to adapt and improve their capabilities.

"The main threat comes from Islamic terrorist groups and cells..."

This is not only known to the intelligence community, it is obvious to anybody in the world with eyes to see and ears to hear and a mind to absorb it.

Pretending it isn't so, by putting our heads in the sand, is not going to diminish the threat; it will only impair our preparedness, and impair our ability to defend ourselves, and impair our ability to prevent such attacks from occurring, and prevent our ability to diminish the damage from them, and impair our ability to fight against that threat.

146 Airedale  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:35:34pm

ot
got two AQ's in Iraq;


Al Qaeda in Iraq Leaders Killed, Arrested (UPDATE: Video Added)
Another al Qaeda in Iraq cell leader, Abu Jurah, sent to Allah, and it looks like we got two more. A top cell leader in Mosul and an al Qaeda "emir" in Qayyarah.

UPDATE: Actual video of Abu Jurah getting wasted. No joke. The second video is that of an F-16 dropping two 500 lb bombs on a second house, where those that escaped the Excalibur rounds had fled. Thanks to Brian for the video tip.


[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

147 nyc redneck  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:35:57pm

re: #131 dr. akim ullsheetbay

wasn't arafat just outed?

yes, big time. he had a very big disease w/ a very small name. shhh. it's called AIDS.

148 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:36:01pm

OT:

I Write The Checks, I Write The Checks

Thanks to a lead from the Los Angeles Times, I looked up Barry Manilow on the FEC website. Yes, that Barry Manilow -- the Copacabana guy. Here's his campaign donation history this year:

February 13, 2007: $2,300 to Obama for America
February 13, 2007: $2,300 to John Edwards for President
February 14, 2007: $2,300 to Hillary Clinton for President Exploratory Committee, Inc.
April 14, 2007: $2,300 to Biden for President, Inc.
June 21, 2007: $2,300 to Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee

149 blogroll  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:36:27pm

well if Bush has “Islamophobia" ...

They do say that the people pushing ideals on another group must have the same ideals themselves in reverse.

Oh I just love living in an armed society... long live the republic

150 Cartman  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:37:02pm

re: #133 ChenZhen

My point is that you cannot win a "war on terror".


You'd best hope against all of your negative hopes that we can. Otherwise, there will come a day when these discussions we're having will be a moot point.

151 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:37:21pm
152 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:37:53pm
People who make statements connecting CAIR to terrorism should understand the legal consequences of their attempted slander and defamation. The First Amendment does not protect defamation.

--Parvez Ahmed

153 Milk Toast Intolerant  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:38:09pm

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

OT:

I Write The Checks, I Write The Checks


Thanks to a lead from the Los Angeles Times, I looked up Barry Manilow on the FEC website. Yes, that Barry Manilow -- the Copacabana guy. Here's his campaign donation history this year:February 13, 2007: $2,300 to Obama for America
February 13, 2007: $2,300 to John Edwards for President
February 14, 2007: $2,300 to Hillary Clinton for President Exploratory Committee, Inc.
April 14, 2007: $2,300 to Biden for President, Inc.
June 21, 2007: $2,300 to Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee

I knew there was a reason I hated that guy. LOL

/jk about the hate part

154 Confuzed  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:38:33pm

If anti-Muslim means
pro-We don't want to be beheaded because we believe differently than you
then yes, he's anti-Muslim and so am I.
BTW, does anyone know how many battles the Profit Mo was actually involved in?
Thanks in advance for any help.

155 Idle Drifter  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:39:05pm

On a lighter side, Beaker and Animal sums up my feeling on this new call to Islamphobia.

156 nyc redneck  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:39:07pm

re: #142 buzzsawmonkey

re: #141 nyc redneck

re: #76 off with my head
I'm not Islamaphobic. I just can't stand them.
correct. what's to like or admire or respect abt. this bunch of brutal stone age people?
Now, now, let's be fair. They're not Stone Age; they're Iron Age.

lol, did those neolithic bastards ever smelt iron?

157 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:39:10pm
158 code red 21  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:39:38pm

I don't think Bush is anti-Muslim...he still calls Islam the religion of peace. Most thinking people know damn well it is no such thing. How is it a phobia when adherents to Islam have shown time and time again what they will do in the name of that death cult?

159 Wishing  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:39:45pm

re: #152 FQ Kafir

People who make statements connecting CAIR to terrorism should understand the legal consequences of their attempted slander and defamation. The First Amendment does not protect defamation.

--Parvez Ahmed

terrorism isnt defamation: it is islamic religious doctrine

160 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:39:45pm
“CAIR has always taken a principled
position on terrorism.”

---Parvez Ahmed

161 markie  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:40:02pm

I don't think Bush is Islamophobic any more than I am. I hate anyone or any group whose declared goal in life is to terminate my existence. Currently, the majority are muslims.

162 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:40:17pm

re: #133 ChenZhen

My point is that you cannot win a "war on terror".


You can surrender if you wish. Those who wish to fight will protect you.

163 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:40:19pm

Parvez — learn something here. Nobody CAIRS what you think!

/Get Jesus, get enlightened; get Mohammed, get nothing.

164 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:40:23pm

re: #159 Wishing

Touche'

165 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:41:10pm

re: #146 Airedale

Cool!

166 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:41:39pm
167 MrArchieBunker  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:41:42pm

Islamophobia, hmmm...sounds like common sense to me. But then again, common sense died a long time ago.

168 Milk Toast Intolerant  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:41:56pm

re: #154 Confuzed

If anti-Muslim means
pro-We don't want to be beheaded because we believe differently than you
then yes, he's anti-Muslim and so am I.
BTW, does anyone know how many battles the Profit Mo was actually involved in?
Thanks in advance for any help.

Not sure, but I read somewhere that Mo was a real coward. Wore a lot of armor and all. Probably picked the weakest enemy on the field and bludgeoned him to death in order to show what a real warrior he was. After all, Mo had to keep himself alive for all the spoils of war afterward (widowed women whose husbands he just killed).

169 Odinist  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:42:45pm

re: #151 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, the NY Times had an interesting article in its Science section about 10 years ago. The so-called "Damascus steel" which was used by the Saracens for swords and was acknowledged to be superior to the Western steel of the time, was actually imported from Ceylon. The prevailing winds there were apparently utilized as a steady draft for hillside smelting furnaces.

I thought Damascus was a style of blade making, rather than a type of steel?

170 nyc redneck  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:42:47pm

re: #165 MandyManners

did you get any of that chocolate cake i made for irish rose?

171 Cartman  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:44:24pm

re: #157 Iron Fist

The point of my reply to CZ was call it a WOT, or whatever it is you wish. It's a war on a totally out-of-control ideology masquerading as a so-called religion. The rabid dogs are prowling, in ever greater numbers. They need to be put down.

172 froghat2k  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:44:28pm

Wait a minute, according to everyone here Bush is "giving it to the radical Muslims" and is turning into a pussy. I guess CAIR doesn't agree witht hat. Maybe some of you here are just as radical as them except on the other side. Maybe Bush is being ummm... reasonable. Not just getting into shouting matches like you guys seem to do on a daily basis. Maybe?

173 Outrider  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:44:40pm

re: #133 ChenZhen

My point is that you cannot win a "war on terror".

You can force them into such a defensive posture that they will be impotent as a combat force. You can deny them funds. You can deny them safe havens. You can expose them for what they are and are capable of and thus prevent much propaganda support from clueless people.

No, there will always be terrorists or revolutionaries in the world, but most people fail to realize that these persons are more interested in power for themselves instead of (insert the cause here). That is no reason to adopt an attitude of complacency (at one level) or a defeatist attitude (at another level).

174 nyc redneck  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:45:10pm

re: #166 buzzsawmonkey

re: #156 nyc redneck

See my #151 above.

It looks like "Damascus steel" is another one of those things the Arabs imported from farther East, along with the zero.

The Arab penchant for importation over innovation has been going on for at least 1000 years.

and so it goes w/ those parasites laying claim to everything

175 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:45:14pm
176 blogroll  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:45:35pm

A little OT I guess...

Since watching the entire day of Live Earth. I was inspired to do my part to save the planet. I now bottle all of my bodily gaseous emissions and are using them to power my fart mobile.

just thought you should know.

177 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:45:44pm

re: #133 ChenZhen

Well, I seem to remember us winning a small war with a country named Japan that liked to sacrifice themselves for a religion named Shinto.

You want to pull out some big guns and end it quickly? It can be done. Libs like you and the KKKos crowd are going to whine about our mistreatment of the enemy because of your pent up frustration about life in general - that is, until you're the ones hit and then the remainder of you lefties will be wailing like a newborn to Pappy Bush to save you. And you won't care at what cost.

178 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:45:55pm
179 moebius  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:48:36pm

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

re: #125 moebius

mainstream moderate Muslim movement

I just love all those Ms.

Hey, I didn't notice that until you pointed it out. I am a poet and I didn't know it.

180 Kohenan The Barbarian  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:49:04pm

Why would any normal sane person with just a smattering of intelligence take any notice of any opinion from a Terrorist supporting backward sleazy Muslim lobby group funded by the Saudi Oil Sluts?--Eh!

181 FQ Kafir  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:49:06pm

Excerpt of interview w/ Parvez Ahmed:

What about the concept of jihad? That word is thrown around a lot in the Western media, and it's obviously a very powerful, loaded word.

The literal meaning of jihad is to struggle, to strive. There is a famous saying of the Prophet Muhammad, after he was returning from a battle: We return to the greater jihad from the lesser jihad. The Muslim understanding has always been that the greater jihad is the struggle of the thriving within one's soul. It's from the struggle to not succumb to base desires, like greed, material want, bodily pleasures. Muslims do understand that jihad can sometimes entail war. But what is often misunderstood is that war in Islam cannot be a war of aggression. War in Islam is defined only as a defensive war. And even in the context of a defensive war, there are elaborate rules of engagement.

Are those rules outlined in the Koran?

Some of them are outlined in the Koran; some of them are outlined in the practices of the Prophet Muhammad. And they have been codified in Islamic jurisprudence. I think there are 10 major rules. I may not be able to recollect all 10, but the major ones are these: You cannot kill old people, women, and children. You cannot kill someone who is not engaging directly with you in the battlefield. You cannot poison wells. You cannot destroy crops in the field. You cannot touch places where people worship. You have to treat prisoners of war with compassion; you have to give them the same level and the same style of living that you afford yourself. And on and on.

182 Odinist  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:49:15pm

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

Do you have a link for that? Everything I've found has pointed to a pattern welded, or high carbon steel rather than a geographical source... Except for a few ancient myths...

/only interested because I 'sort of' collect knives, spears, and swords...

183 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:50:17pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

re: #133 ChenZhen


My point is that you cannot win a "war on terror".

You can surrender if you wish. Those who wish to fight will protect you.

Who said anything about surrender? To me, declaring a "war on terror" is like declaring a "war on pain". You know there is no "winning" the "war", but that is not akin to saying that you aren't going to do everything you can to minimize it.

184 EtNorskTroll  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:52:43pm

re: #76 off with my head

I'm not Islamaphobic. I just can't stand them. like living.

There.

Fixed that fer ya, OWMH.

You're welcome, cousin!

~Norsk Troll

185 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:54:18pm
186 EtNorskTroll  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:54:24pm

PIMF

re: #76 off with my head

I'm not Islamaphobic. I just can't stand them like living.

~ENT

187 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:55:50pm

re: #183 ChenZhen

You can reframe the WoT as "Happy Fun Time" if you want. The reality of the battles ahead don't change.

188 Milk Toast Intolerant  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:56:06pm

re: #172 froghat2k

Wait a minute, according to everyone here Bush is "giving it to the radical Muslims" and is turning into a pussy. I guess CAIR doesn't agree witht hat. Maybe some of you here are just as radical as them except on the other side. Maybe Bush is being ummm... reasonable. Not just getting into shouting matches like you guys seem to do on a daily basis. Maybe?

Let me see if I read you correctly.

CAIR and us are on opposite sides. CAIR supports Islamic terrorism; we don't. CAIR uses intimidation tactics to suppress free speech; we encourage and promote free speech. CAIR's founder is documented to have said they want Sharia Law to replace the US Constitution, to which we oppose vehemently. CAIR refuses to condemn Hamas; we condemn Hamas regularly. I might venture a guess and say that you're praising LGF members for promoting free speech, condemning Islamic terrorism, and fighting for Western civilization, but since I'm starting to get a sense of what your views are, I'm going to refrain from making that leap.

Tell us, Froghat2k, how was Bush being reasonable when he granted Visas to 50,000 Saudi nationals not too long ago? How was he being reasonable when he, at the protest of CAIR, stopped describing our enemies as "Islamofascists?" How is Bush being reasonable by constantly parading Islam as a religion of peace when the pages of the Koran and Sunnah are filled with acts of violence committed by their founder, Muhammad?

Do enlighten us, Froghat2k, and don't run away.

189 EE  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:56:27pm

re: #133 ChenZhen

re: #86 Killgore Trout

re: #66 ChenZhen

Since nobody else is answering you: By monitoring mosques and Islamist organizations, By paying extra attention to muslim men between 20 and 35, By monitoring immigration from Muslim countries, etc.

My point is that you cannot win a "war on terror".

Well, after the war of armies between the Allies and Nazi Germany was over, there was a period in which German terrorists attacked the Allied forces. It was put down eventually, in a very strong manner. Nobody is suggesting that those same methods that were used by the Allies against the Werwolf be used today, because it was done very harshly, particularly by the Russians and the French. But it is ignoring history to say that "you cannot win a 'war on terror' ", if what you mean is that terrorists must ultimately prevail. It's not necessarily true. And history shows it.

190 LoFlyer  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:56:55pm

183, Chen Zen, I beg to differ, The British won against the IRA in Ireland, and against the Malaysian terrorists during the 60's. Terrorism can be beat, you just have to have the will. What other choice do we have? Another series of 911 style disasters is not acceptable to acceptable to most Americans. Even the liberals would start fighting after about five large attacks resulting in thousands dead.

191 Odinist  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:57:26pm

re: #185 buzzsawmonkey

I found two-

[Link: or.essortment.com...]

[Link: archaeology.about.com...]

Still looking though...

192 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 6:59:02pm

re: #183 ChenZhen

re: #162 Killgore Trout


re: #133 ChenZhen

My point is that you cannot win a "war on terror".

You can surrender if you wish. Those who wish to fight will protect you.

Who said anything about surrender? To me, declaring a "war on terror" is like declaring a "war on pain". You know there is no "winning" the "war", but that is not akin to saying that you aren't going to do everything you can to minimize it.

OK, I'll bite.

Say I wave a magic wand and you are now President of the United States of America. You are leader of the free world and these pesky Islamofacists keep trying to kill you, the citizens of your country, and everyone else in the world.

How do you stop it?

193 Airedale  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:00:11pm

re: #165 MandyManners

re: #146 Airedale

Cool!


Like that one MandyManners?

Watch this guy get smoked;
;)

194 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:03:32pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

re: #183 ChenZhen

You can reframe the WoT as "Happy Fun Time" if you want. The reality of the battles ahead don't change.

You like that word, 'reframe', don't you?

195 moebius  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:07:04pm

re: #137 screaming_eagle

re: #125 moebius

I don't think cair is quite viewed like that by mainstream America. But it is headed there and I generally agree with you.

As some kind of reformed liberal myself, I have a lot of liberal friends who on their own are starting to see things more clearly on their own. I have queried some. Most don't know what CAIR is, certainly. Some others have said, but CAIR is on the news a lot and they seem reasonable. Of those others, most have since come to realize that CAIR is not what it seems on a sound bite on TV. You only need to send them one good online article with links to get them to start wondering. Once they start wondering, the outcome is 100% certain: they say, these guys are nuts and sick and crazy.

Keep you liberal friends. Be patient with them. They will come around. CAIR's slickness becomes completely odious to liberals once they realize that they are completely different from what they appear when one of their sweet-talkers comes on and goes on about tolerance.

Maybe I have been lucky in that the liberals I know are ultimately reasonable and hate hypocrisy, at least when is so transparent that it hits them over the head with a thud. The liberals I know can't stand "suits" who espouse tolerance, but whose behind-the-scenes words (off camera to a non-Khaffir audience) are so clearly contradictory. Once they have learned a bit more, either on their own or after reading a few links sent them, they have come to view CAIR as the evil organization it is. Or, cynically, maybe they just view CAIR as another powerful lobby of rich fat cats. Regardless, none of the liberals I know, who have heard of CAIR, still have any pretenses about what CAIR is.

CAIR has made it all to easy by being so aggressive and obvious about its true nature. The Internet makes it damn easy to figure it out. So CAIR is doomed, IMHO, and so is Islam as we know it. They will change or go extinct, shut off from the rest of the world by a huge wall. Islam will adapt or die in the West and just languish behind the wall. Why? Because practically nobody wants to live under Shariah, even the lilly livered moderate Muslims who refuse to speak up but whose refusal helps give life to the Shariah-ists. In the end, it'll die or adapt, like Communism.

To sue another Star Wars quote: I have foreseen it.

196 Outrider  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:07:26pm

re: #183 ChenZhen

Who said anything about surrender? To me, declaring a "war on terror" is like declaring a "war on pain". You know there is no "winning" the "war", but that is not akin to saying that you aren't going to do everything you can to minimize it.

I would think the word "war" would be quite appropriate. Webster defines war as: a : a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end (a class war) (a war against disease)[Link: www.webster.com...]

Stanford of Philosophy further defines war as: War should be understood as an actual, intentional and widespread armed conflict between political communities. [Link: plato.stanford.edu...]

With sufficient resources and will, the war on terrorism would be won fairly easily; the British did so quite successfully in Malaysia. The case studies from that conflict are still taught.

197 EtNorskTroll  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:07:43pm

re: #193 Airedale

re: #165 MandyManners

re: #146 Airedale

Cool!


Like that one MandyManners?

Watch this guy get smoked;
;)
[Link: www.liveleak.com...]



Never run from an Apache Long Bow...

...you just die tired.

~ENT

198 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:07:52pm

re: #189 EE

re: #133 ChenZhen


re: #86 Killgore Trout

re: #66 ChenZhen

Since nobody else is answering you: By monitoring mosques and Islamist organizations, By paying extra attention to muslim men between 20 and 35, By monitoring immigration from Muslim countries, etc.


My point is that you cannot win a "war on terror".

Well, after the war of armies between the Allies and Nazi Germany was over, there was a period in which German terrorists attacked the Allied forces. It was put down eventually, in a very strong manner. Nobody is suggesting that those same methods that were used by the Allies against the Werwolf be used today, because it was done very harshly, particularly by the Russians and the French. But it is ignoring history to say that "you cannot win a 'war on terror' ", if what you mean is that terrorists must ultimately prevail. It's not necessarily true. And history shows it.

How about this...you can kill terrorists but not terrorism.

199 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:08:38pm

re: #194 ChenZhen

Isn't that what this is all about? You don't like the "WoT" and you want to call it something else. Did you ever decide on a new name or does it remain nameless?

200 EE  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:09:00pm

re #189, the anti-terror campaign that succeeded; about the war against the Nazi Werwolf, by Steven Plaut
[Link: www.jewishpress.com...]

201 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:09:27pm

Enough with the overquotes! Edit down the quotes or just hit "reply".

202 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:11:23pm

re: #196 Outrider

With sufficient resources and will, the war on terrorism would be won fairly easily; the British did so quite successfully in Malaysia. The case studies from that conflict are still taught.

They won?!?!? So what are we doing still fighting it?

/see what I'm getting at here?

203 Outrider  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:12:16pm

re: #198 ChenZhen

How about this...you can kill terrorists but not terrorism.

Terrorism has been on earth as long as man has. Various groups can be eradicated. Islam as an organ of terror can be eradicated.

204 EE  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:12:50pm

re #200


The Anti-Terror Campaign That Succeeded

By: Steven Plaut
Wednesday, June 27, 2007

After their military defeat by regular forces, the occupied population produced terrorists who engaged in bombings, sniping, poisonings, and other attacks on occupation forces and on the civilian population. They operated as irregulars in small terror units, armed with automatic weapons and bazookas.

Women and minors as young as eight participated in the terror attacks. They attempted to build weapons of mass destruction, using chemical poisons. They assassinated officials of the occupation regime. They had a special obsession with torturing and murdering "collaborators." They murdered hundreds of civilians, while thousands of the terrorists themselves were killed by the occupation armed forces. The occupiers responded to terror with brutality and force, sometimes using collective punishment.

The above does not refer to or describe the anti-American and anti-British terror in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nor does it describe Palestinian terrorism against Israel launched from the West Bank and Gaza.

What it does refer to is the campaign of terrorism directed against Allied forces in Europe in the aftermath of the defeat of Nazi Germany. The terrorists were members of a number of underground "resistance" organizations attempting to punish the Allied "occupiers" and drive them out. The most important of the terror groups was known as Werwolf (German for werewolf).
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Until recently, relatively little was known about groups like Werwolf. But several books, particularly those authored by Perry Biddiscombe, a professor of history at the University of British Columbia, have shed light on the activities of the groups and on the anti-terror strategies that ultimately defeated them.

Most of what follows is based on the research of Biddiscombe. There are valuable lessons to be learned from the campaign against the Werwolf, both for the U.S.-led coalition fighting in Iraq and for Israel in its battles against Arab terrorism.

For many years now the conventional wisdom has been that terrorism cannot be defeated militarily, that it can only be stopped when its underlying grievances are redressed and appeased. Moreover, the entire strategy of dealing with terrorism militarily has long been under assault by the Western chattering classes as ineffective and unjust.

Anti-terror tactics used by the contemporary Allies in Iraq and Afghanistan or by Israel against its enemies have been denounced by the media and by countless public figures, especially in Western Europe. But the claim that terrorism and guerilla warfare cannot be defeated militarily is false, as illustrated by the campaign against the Werwolf.

205 Bearster  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:13:10pm

re: #66 ChenZhen

The WOT will be over quicker. Over? How?

Certain countries wage war against us via terrorist proxy. When those countries no longer have the means to wage such war, the war will be over. Just as Germany and then Japan stopped waging war.

You win by eliminating the enemy's capacity to fight.

206 bosforus  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:13:17pm

Why did it take a for me to hear about this? Top al-Qaeda guy in Iraq killed in precision bombing.

207 bosforus  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:13:47pm

re: #206 bosforus

Why did it take a for me to hear about this? Top al-Qaeda guy in Iraq killed in precision bombing.

"why did it take a [week]"
PIMF

208 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:14:02pm

re: #198 ChenZhen

re: #189 EE


re: #133 ChenZhen

How about this...you can kill terrorists but not terrorism.

Isn't that what we are doing now?

209 Outrider  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:16:08pm

re: #202 ChenZhen

They won?!?!? So what are we doing still fighting it?

/see what I'm getting at here?

We are not fighting Malaysians. You are equating terrorism with something akin to fist fighting or general warfare. Terrorism as an act will always be with us conducted by one group or another. But, the various groups can be subdued and eradicated or brought back to a civilized state.

210 FightingBack  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:16:36pm

re: #159 Wishing

re: #152 FQ Kafir

... The First Amendment does not protect defamation.

--Parvez Ahmed

The First Amendment? To the Constitution of the United States? A document they wish to subvert to Sharia law?
And, BTW, Parvez, define "defamation." We can throw that back at you later.

211 EE  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:17:13pm

re #200


Origins and Tactics

Nazi preparations for a campaign of terrorism against the invading Allies were underway by 1943. At first the intention was for irregular fighters to serve as a diversionary force operating behind enemy lines. The name "Werwolf" (also spelled "Wehrwolf") was chosen from a book by Hermann Lons (Der Wehrwolf) glamorizing a 17
th century German guerilla fighter.

The Werwolf developed into a large full-fledged terrorist organization, operating under the command of the SS. It operated in "groups" consisting of 4 to 6 fighters, with 6 to 10 groups forming a "sector" and 6 to 8 sectors forming a "section." At its height, the Werwolf organization probably had about 6,000 fighters, though it could call on the support and cooperation of other units such as the Volksturm, a militia of the elderly and very young set up by Hitler near the end of the war. Himmler took personal control of operations starting in 1944.

The technology of those terrorists was of course far more primitive than that used by modern Middle East terrorists, but some of the similarities in technique are striking. Beheadings were a common Werwolf tactic. Decades before the pilfering of the museums of Baghdad, the Werwolf were under orders to sabotage and destroy art galleries, museums and other cultural institutions. While Germany never produced a campaign of suicide bombers, Werwolf terrorists were equipped with cyanide tablets and expected to commit suicide rather than be taken captive.

In the campaign against the Werwolf, an estimated 3,000-5,500 terrorists were killed. Werwolf terrorism continued well after formal hostilities ended and Germany had surrendered. In the German area of Italy, South Tyrol, where a German separatist movement was active, sabotage, bombings and Werwolf guerilla violence continued into the 1960’s.

As part of the campaign of terrorism, German Red Cross ambulances routinely carried arms and munitions, long before the Palestinians perfected that technique. Buildings thought to be designated for use as Allied barracks were mined, especially in Lorraine (where the attacks were directed against the U.S. Third Army). Werwolf terrorists collected caches of poison gases and chemical weapons, most of which were discovered by Allied forces before they could be used.

The Werwolf used death squads and assassination hit teams, often against German civilians whom the terrorists suspected of collaboration or defeatism. Civil authorities in German towns under Allied occupation were favorite targets. Priests, public officials, and even German villagers flying white surrender flags were attacked.

Werwolf terrorists were each typically equipped with 15-20 pounds of explosives and small arms, often including bazookas. Generally they operated stealthily without uniform, in civilian clothes. They set up caches of armaments in farms, caves, forests, and abandoned mines. Interestingly, there was a female contingent of terrorists, a unit of which, equipped with bazookas, played an important role in the last weeks of fighting around Berlin.

212 screaming_eagle  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:17:27pm

re: #195 moebius

They will change or go extinct, shut off from the rest of the world by a huge wall. Islam will adapt or die in the West and just languish behind the wall.


I agree. America will win. It's just a matter of how many people will have to die before we win. The longer it takes, the more people are gonna die. Ask your liberals friends think about that. Another 5-10 thousand American lives lost in a couple of large attacks and what would they be willing to let the military do? Somewhere we will cross that line, and then it will be damn anyone and everyone who stands in our way. And in the end many more people win die than if we stand up properly and confront it NOW.

213 EE  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:19:04pm

re #20


Children were also frequently used in terror attacks. The Hitlerjugend, or Hitler Youth, was one of the main sources of recruits for the Werwolf. Entire units of Werwolf consisted of minors. Teenage Werwolf terrorists were involved in bombing the Red Army barracks near Hindenberg. Child snipers shot and threw grenades at advancing American forces. Himmler himself invented an incentive system for Hitler Youth serving in the Werwolf: 100 cigarettes for ten sniper kills; 20 days’ leave for twenty kills; a watch and Iron Cross for fifty kills.

A unit of 14-year-olds attacked U.S. forces near Nuremberg. "Operation Nursery," a campaign against Werwolf terrorism by minors, was mounted by U.S. and British troops and continued well into 1946.

The terrorists used a variety of techniques. In addition to sniping and bombings, decapitation wires were popular – thin piano wire stretched across a road just at the height of the necks of drivers of Allied vehicles or motorcycles. Allied forces sometimes retaliated against such attacks by beheading captured terrorists. In Schleswig-Holstein, the British lopped off the heads of a dozen terrorists.

Mass poisoning was another favorite terrorist method. It was used with horrific success especially, but not exclusively, against Red Army troops. Between February and July 1945, 180 American troops were murdered with poisoned liquor. The Werwolf would spike liquor and food with odorless poison and wait for the troops to indulge. A special entity called the KTI, or Criminal Technical Institute, would prepare the poisons.

While the armed conflict raged, Werwolf terrorists were active in capturing, torturing and murdering enemy troops. But as the war drew to a close, the Werwolf began to specialize in terrorizing German civilians suspected of collaborating with or failing to resist the Allies’ advance.

Werwolf terrorism was strongest on the Eastern front, as Soviet forces threatened East Prussia, Silesia, and other areas regarded by Germans as part of their heartland. The Werwolf even ran its own radio station.

214 rtheyserius  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:19:15pm

Bush has Islamophobia? I wish. Meanwhile he's busy inviting thousands of Saudi students and Iraqi "refugees" into the country while ignoring border security as Middle Eastern "individuals" are sneaking across the Rio Grande.

215 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:20:07pm

re: #209 Outrider

re: #202 ChenZhen


They won?!?!? So what are we doing still fighting it?

/see what I'm getting at here?


We are not fighting Malaysians. You are equating terrorism with something akin to fist fighting or general warfare. Terrorism as an act will always be with us conducted by one group or another. But, the various groups can be subdued and eradicated or brought back to a civilized state.

Exactly. We have come full circle. You cannot "win" a "war on terror".

216 EE  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:21:31pm

re #200

Ferocious Response

How were those terrorists eventually defeated? With brutal military force and counter-terrorism combined with a long-term program of denazification of German civilians.

The Soviets were by far the least squeamish of the Allies when it came to suppressing Werwolf terrorism. According to a Vatican report, "Russian reprisals...were terrible. Using flame-throwers the Russians destroyed entire blocks of houses causing the deaths of hundreds of the inhabitants."

Soviet troops dealt with the threat through mass executions, mass arrests, marauding, and arson directed against German civilians. Hostages were grabbed from areas where any Werwolf sabotage took place and often were summarily executed. Any Germans – even hunters – possessing any weapons were shot on the spot as terrorists. Any German witnessing terror attacks who did not come forward to testify about them was shot. Those hiding terrorists or weapons were shot and their homes burned to the ground.

As of October 1946, the Soviets were holding 3,336 Werwolf terrorists in prison within the Soviet zone. The Soviets also crowded 240,000 suspected Werwolf sympathizers into a prison camp (where fully a third simply perished). In Jarmin in Pomerania, when German terrorists killed two Soviet troops, the entire town was demolished. In Schivelbein, after a Soviet general was killed by a sniper, the Soviets murdered every man in town.

Soviet looting and marauding in occupied German areas continued unrestrained into 1947. While such behavior may strike us as barbarous retaliation, Biddiscombe describes it thus: "None the less, given what the Werwolf was doing, or trying to do, the responses of the occupiers do not lay beyond the realm of comprehension." The Soviets were still concerned about threats of Werwolf sabotage and terror in Eastern Europe during the 1950’s.

The French were second to the Soviets in the viciousness and ferocity of their suppression of Werwolf terrorism. French soldiers pillaged German areas as they fell under their control. Random beatings of Germans by the French were common. The French forcibly expelled all German civilians from numerous towns and villages in their area of control. General Le Clerc issued an edict on November 25, 1944 to shoot five Germans for every act of sniping near Strasbourg.

Following some Werwolf activity around Constance, French forces grabbed 400 hostages and executed two. Any building in the French zone with Werwolf graffiti on it was immediately demolished. Owners had at most an hour to remove such graffiti once it appeared in order to avoid such a fate. Collective fines were imposed on German civilians for sabotage activities in their area. Wholesale travel and curfew restrictions were imposed on the entire German population.

217 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:25:17pm

re: #215 ChenZhen

re: #209 Outrider


re: #202 ChenZhen

They won?!?!? So what are we doing still fighting it?
/see what I'm getting at here?

We are not fighting Malaysians. You are equating terrorism with something akin to fist fighting or general warfare. Terrorism as an act will always be with us conducted by one group or another. But, the various groups can be subdued and eradicated or brought back to a civilized state.

Exactly. We have come full circle. You cannot "win" a "war on terror".

So all you have a problem with is the name 'War on Terror'?

Oh, how should we rename it?

I thought you didn't want us to fight at all. My bad.

218 Outrider  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:25:23pm

re: #215 ChenZhen

Exactly. We have come full circle. You cannot "win" a "war on terror".

We haven't come full circle. Unless you are considering the "war on terror" strictly as a mode of warfare, in which case it will always be with us; the same as any other type of warfare.

If you are considering the War on Terror as applying to the Islamic threat presently facing us, then yes, we can win it.

219 EE  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:25:53pm

re #200 Ferocious Response to Terrorism that Ended It (continued)


While American troops generally avoided the excesses of the Soviets and French, they were sharply criticized by the British for using excessive brutality and force in suppressing the Werwolf. General Eisenhower ordered the execution of all Werwolf fighters captured in civilian garb.

It was understood among U.S. troops that they had a green light for applying frontier justice to terrorists, with no lawyers or trials. The counterinsurgency manual issued by the Supreme Headquarters Allied Expedition Force (SHAEF) recommended that troops simply ignore Geneva Convention rules when dealing with the Werwolf.

SHAEF instructions allowed using captive Germans in forced labor; seizure of German civilians as hostages; collective punishment; shooting of hostages; and massive bombings of civilian areas containing terrorists. Threats to shoot all curfew violators were commonly made. At Lutzkampen, Allied troops threatened to burn down the village if there were any violations of curfew.

When U.S. troops were attacked at Aschaffenburg in Lower Franconia, the entire town was annihilated by Seventh Army artillery. In the fall of 1945, well after the surrender, U.S. forces still regarded Werwolf bands as "one of the biggest potential threats to security in both the American and Allied Zones of Occupation."

Around Stuttgart, members of Werwolf bazooka teams were shot on sight by American troops. Massive artillery bombardment of civilian areas with snipers was used whenever it was thought such action could prevent Allied troop casualties. In Krefeld, one of the first towns taken by the Americans, 120,000 civilians were rounded up and held in detention camps.

Other Allied forces were vicious in suppressing the Werwolf. The Czechoslovaks routinely tortured and abused captured terrorists. The most dramatic Czechoslovak actions took place in the Sudetenland. After some Czechs were murdered by the Werwolf, local authorities threatened to shoot all German refugees there who had arrived from Silesia.

In July 1945 a large explosion took place in Aussig an der Elbe, killing 50 people. Blaming local ethnic Germans, the authorities killed German civilians in reprisal. The remaining German population was expelled from the town. Slovaks and Poles often treated Germans little better.

Canadian forces were also brutal in suppressing terrorism. Canadian General Chris Vokes carried out large-scale destruction of German property in retaliation for guerilla activities. Towns from which sniper fire was directed against Canadian troops were reduced to rubble. Orders were given to demolish buildings housing snipers rather than risk the lives of troops. German homes were bulldozed. No "solidarity" protesters picketed the corporate headquarters of the companies manufacturing the bulldozers.

220 EE  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:28:19pm

re #200 concluding remarks by Prof. Steven Plaut:


As is the case with the terrorism directed against U.S. troops in Iraq and against Jews in Israel, Werwolf terror was never in and of itself an existential threat, nor did it represent a serious military strategy capable of defeating regular armies. Rather, it was designed to demoralize – to defeat the enemy by generating growing casualties over long periods and trigger defeatism among the enemy’s home population.

While no one in his or her right mind would advocate some of the more excessive means used to suppress the German terrorists of the late 1940’s, that era nevertheless teaches us that a determined no-nonsense campaign of wiping out terrorism with armed force is capable of succeeding, even against the most brutal of opponents. Determined denazification of fanatic violent populations was also shown to work.

Such success is not easy, nor does it come cheaply.

221 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:29:08pm

CAIR has no foundation in reality, because their grand concept is the elimination of the choice of rational human beings in deference to the one truly holy one, the mass-murdering child rapist Mohammed, as claimed to be the one true megaphone for the most high power, allah.

Do we need this kind of Jonestown crap to trickle all through our society until we are all suffering from urine burns?

Go ahead, fatwa my ass.

Or maybe if your next bombs go off, you can have an orgasm, which obviously hasn't happened much lately.

222 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:30:11pm

re: #215 ChenZhen

Exactly. We have come full circle. You cannot "win" a "war on terror".


That's reframing again. You saying we cannot win because of the name. Can we rename the WoT to something we can win?

223 dammad  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:30:23pm

Read this "letter to the editor" at the Chgo Tribune...July 12. Read it very carefully...fatwas coming to a town near you! Cartoon outrage

The cartoon on the Chicago Tribune Editorial page on July 7, depicting Muslim outrage upon Salman Rushdie's knighthood and silence toward United Kingdom terror attacks misses the mark completely.

Yes there has been outrage by a lot of Muslims and Muslim organizations and governments about Rushdie's knighthood, but rightly so because it is perceived by them that insulting one's religious sensitivities by writing "The Satanic Verses" will be rewarded with knighthood.

Similarly you are ignoring all the mainstream Islamic medical, religious and civic organizations in the U.S. and UK that have come forward with strong statements against this kind of senseless violence in the form of foiled UK terror attacks.

In fact Islamic organizations in the UK have taken out full-page ads in the newspapers in that country to voice their rejection of these activities. They have gone on TV and radio to dissociate themselves from this kind of destructive behavior.

All the mosques that I am in contact with have denounced the UK bombing unequivocally during sermons and announcements.

Making and printing cartoons that miss the mark and distort facts is the kind of activity a respected national newspaper should refrain from.

This is exactly the kind of activity a recent report to Congress alluded to regarding the media's role in creating and perpetuating bias, stereotyping and Islamophobia.

Afzal Ahmad

Chairman

American Islamic Association

224 sheik yer'mami[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:32:40pm
225 rtheyserius  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:35:26pm

re: #224 sheik yer'mami

I couldn't agree more.

226 Outrider  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:35:30pm

re: #223 dammad

I wonder if any of these people even know what the "Satanic Verses" are? Or are they seething because they are expected to?

227 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:35:45pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

re: #215 ChenZhen


Exactly. We have come full circle. You cannot "win" a "war on terror".

That's reframing again. You saying we cannot win because of the name. Can we rename the WoT to something we can win?


How about 'The War on Splodeydopes, Headchoppers, Islamofacists, Murderers, Wife Beaters, and Rapists'.

Naaa...wouldn't fit on a bumper sticker.

228 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:36:10pm

re: #218 Outrider

re: #215 ChenZhen


Exactly. We have come full circle. You cannot "win" a "war on terror".

We haven't come full circle. Unless you are considering the "war on terror" strictly as a mode of warfare, in which case it will always be with us; the same as any other type of warfare.

If you are considering the War on Terror as applying to the Islamic threat presently facing us, then yes, we can win it.

There ya go. At least that's an attempt to define the enemy. The previous examples like Germany, Japan, the Werwolves (or whatever) were a definable enemy that can be subdued into a negligable threat. I've never had a problem with the idea of fighting the threat that we face, rather the implications that declaring that the "war" was on "terror". We invaded Iraq under the guise of fighting a "war on terror" and that seems to have made the overall situation worse. That, and you've basically declared a perpetual state of warfare, and the enemy is whoever the powers that be decide it should be. That's the problem with the phrase. It goes beyond semantics.

229 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:38:12pm

re: #225 rtheyserius

re: #224 sheik yer'mami

I couldn't agree more.

Well...sheik yer'mami got deleted. I have a good guess as to why.

230 dammad  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:40:52pm

[Link: dougmarlette.com...] Re: my #223 post...this is the awesome cartoon...fourth one on the page.

231 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:41:01pm

re: #229 ChenZhen

re: #225 rtheyserius


re: #224 sheik yer'mami

I couldn't agree more.


Well...sheik yer'mami got deleted. I have a good guess as to why.


I wish terrorists were that easy to get rid of.

232 rorschach  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:41:29pm

G. Dub is islamophobic because he hasn't gone on national t.v. lately to fawn over islam.


/islam is peace, my ass.

233 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:42:11pm
234 Outrider  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:43:45pm

re: #228 ChenZhen

"...We invaded Iraq under the guise of fighting a "war on terror" and that seems to have made the overall situation worse..."


The reasons we invaded Iraq are well known and have been discussed previously ad nauseum. And yes, ties with bin Laden and his little gang of cronies was one of the reasons listed.

The situation isn't any worse because of Iraq, it had been degenerating since the late 60s that I am aware of. That statement is akin to getting beat up by a bully every other day and when you hit him back and you are now fighting 4 days a week instead of three, blaming it on the fact that you confronted the bully.

235 John Schneider  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:52:08pm
“The popular discourse in America today remains mired in stereotypical denouncements about Islam. As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned.”

Guess the party's over, time for the guests to leave.

/Newest ghost town, Dearborn, Michigan

236 ChenZhen  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:52:25pm

re: #234 Outrider

re: #228 ChenZhen


"...We invaded Iraq under the guise of fighting a "war on terror" and that seems to have made the overall situation worse..."

The reasons we invaded Iraq are well known and have been discussed previously ad nauseum. And yes, ties with bin Laden and his little gang of cronies was one of the reasons listed.

The situation isn't any worse because of Iraq, it had been degenerating since the late 60s that I am aware of. That statement is akin to getting beat up by a bully every other day and when you hit him back and you are now fighting 4 days a week instead of three, blaming it on the fact that you confronted the bully.

Well I suppose that's a different debate for another day. I'll adjourn back to my blog now.

237 moebius  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 7:52:40pm

re: #212 screaming_eagle

Yeah, I wish it were quicker. The Internet allows for information to become available way faster than it takes for humans to change their minds about things.

Anyway, I am hopeful just based on history. Islam until recently was a pathetic little nothing force in the world. It was something when it was united and had big armies. It does not have that now. It only has oil wealth. The rise of the modern Jihadi threat can be tied to increased wealth from oil, along with liberal immigration policies. Before that, they were more or less nothing.

Jefferson has his problem corsairs, but even a young and weak US Navy could take care of those Muslim pirates.

Without oil wealth or a Saladin, Muslims just languish in their self-created crap holes.

I think oil is with us for some time. There are no other competitive alternatives, so we are stuck with some fraction of that oil wealth going to pay protection fees or real sympathy tithes to Muslim terrorists. We can keep the damage down, though, by limiting immigration from these countries and scrutinizing those already here.

Even the most non-"environmentalist" people, though, believe that oil will run out at some point. What will we have at that point? Regardless of what, it will take the wind out of the Gulf States' sail and the money out of the pockets of the bulk of Jihadis.

We just have to keep working now and into the future on uprooting the ideology from our shores. If that means monitoring mosques and phonetapping Imams in the US and Europe, so be it. I think we still have the balls to do it.

The liberal nutty left is a vocal minority. In the background, even the most liberal European nations are quietly cracking down.

I guess the thing to consider is that a really strong and global Islam has never been a real threat, with the exception of the initial Arab conquests and later the conquest of the Turks (a people colonized by this Arabian peninsula religion/ideology). Until recently, this terrorism in the West crap didn't even exist. They are not that powerful. They will go the way of Attilla the Hun, Nazis and Communists, all conquering wankers who had nothing to offer the bulk of humanity. Just another sorry and painful blip in history.

I do wish we learned the lesson of WWII, that it costs a lot less in innocent lives to stop this early. But the analogy is not perfect, they kind of do have us by the balls in terms of oil. If only the British had not given over the oil fields to the House of Saud, the made-up royal house that made a pact with the Wahhabis.

Taking the long view, though, they are toast.

238 Stallion  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 8:08:08pm

Hey CAIR, how's this for Islamophobia?:

I hate the muslim ideology and all it stands for. I wish this "religion" of pedophilia worship an agonized, but quick, death.

239 dammad  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 8:10:15pm

Ok - I'm not Jewish - I'm a Catholic. But..to all my LGF Jewish friends...these are the stories that just befuddle me. [Link: cair.com...]

240 monsonman  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 8:15:51pm

I'm Islamophobia too. Never expect to change...will probably save my life some day.

241 Timbre  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 8:18:10pm

CAIR: Ranting, raving, and retching Islamophobia.

242 FightingBack  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 8:23:10pm

re: #220 EE
EE,
Thank you for posting this,
FB

243 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 8:25:29pm

Now please tell me that Muslims do not have Jewaphobia, Christaphobia, Buddaphobia, Hinduaphhobia, Bahaiaphobia, and all the rest. Poor widdle victims. Everyone picks on them just because they want to take over the world and impose Sharia. Personally, I regard a person's beliefs between him and his higher power to be his affair so long as it does not involve other people. When it involves other people I have every right in the world to get involved and take action. Personally I have a bad case of psychophobia myself. Any sociopath that comes in my path may get a rather rough handling if I have anything to say about it up to and including the use of a 357 magnum with anti-personal ordinance.

244 docremulac  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 8:26:11pm

This (fill in the blank)-o-phobia crap is right out of the Stalinist Soviet Union. "Thought criminals" were regularly labeled as insane and locked up.

"Comrade, these feelings of self preservation your having and desiring to live free without being slaughtered like an animal for sport are clearly signs of mental illness. Nothing a few years in a Siberian gulag can't cure though."

Notice how you never hear non-leftists using terms like: "infidelophobia" or "kafir-o-phobia" because implying that somebody who disagrees with is insane is strictly another dumb trick of the left. Besides, we know muslims aren't scared of us, they just enjoy killing us for sport because we're too stupid to fight back. Or at least the liberals in our society are.

245 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 8:32:21pm

My secret weapon on the WoT? I'm sending General Chenzen to the rescue to "reason" with the enemy. And after he's bored them into a craze and they go apeshit, we'll easily be able to identify the enemy.

246 killerjoe  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 8:38:27pm

I am a Islamophobiaist. I am especiely phobiast against Islamist that kill babies in pizza parlors. Real POSers.

247 BingoBunny  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 8:40:43pm

"muslims remain misunderstood, feared, and shunned"

/think it has anything with strapping c4 arround their waists and blowing up weddings, children at school, buses, trains, and planes?

248 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 8:58:09pm
249 Andopolis  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 9:21:29pm

I'm not anti-muslim, I'm anti-terrorist. It's hardly my fault if there's no discernable difference.

250 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 9:23:44pm

I wish President Bush has islamophobia.

251 yehoshua  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 9:41:10pm

Remember when Bush took his shoes off in that mosque? That sign of dhimmitude won him lasting scorn from Moslems everywhere. When will the weakling politicians learn that the only way to gain respect from criminals (e.g. Moslems) is by use of naked force against them.

252 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 10:11:53pm

...

253 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 10:22:10pm

I am the Alpha and the Omega. the beginning of the thread and the end.
The tree that falls in the forest that nothings hears.
The first kid for school lunch. The last kid released from detention.

253 Dibs complete

unless someone comes in and spoils this wonderful moment

The Spikester is last

unless someone comes in and spoils this wonderful moment and hey
thats cool. I can share my Omeganess with others!

254 Egfrow  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 10:27:36pm

It's been a while since the CAIR Bears have put out a hit piece on Charles and LGF.

255 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 11:11:51pm

share my Omeganess with others! It's ok...good to share.

256 spikester  Tue, Jul 17, 2007 11:13:22pm

I'm going to take my meds now

257 Jack Hamilton  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 3:44:21am

Islame is not a faith or religion. It is a death cult no better than the blood sacrifices of the ancient Mayans. They are about nothing but blood letting and slaughter. The world will be a better place once this savage cult no longer exist.

258 baldylox  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 4:00:06am

I've never liked the term "Islamophobia" because the suffix 'phobia' implies an irrational fear.

I don't think it's irrational.

259 cheese_burger  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 4:01:12am

This sniveling maggot said:
“The new perception is that the United States has entered a war with Islam itself,”

...when in fact... and you can bet your life, and the lives of your children on the fact that he knew he was lying... the truth is, Islam officially declared war against the entire non-Muslim population of the world, long ago.

Lookie here you Jew-Hating, Hindu-Hating, Christian-Hating, Everyone-Who's-Not-Muslim-Hating, Monster...

I invite you to renounce your faith.

If you refuse, I offer you two alternative choices... Submit to the Infidel, and pay the Muslim Tax, or have your head physically removed from your shoulders.

Sound familiar?

260 MODERATIONIST[deleted]  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 4:21:48am
261 Roger  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 4:29:40am

Ok.

Now what all phobia's does islam have?

262 Jed  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 4:46:19am
As a result Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned.”

It is a basic tenet of Muslims to never accept responsibility for their actions. And always they are misunderstood. Poor misunderstood people.

CAIR automatically blames anyone, anyone else, for any problem.

Unfortunately, the loony left nods its head and slobbers in unison.

263 RickZ  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 5:15:52am
"We are meeting today at the National Press Club, which is in a way a living memorial to the freedom of the press that is so important a part of the American tradition. The platform on which we speak is open to all because we believe in the right even of those with whom we disagree to speak their minds. But some reporters have been barred by CAIR from covering this panel because by criticizing CAIR or its policies they have been condemned as anti-Muslim when they are, in fact, simply reporters doing their jobs," he said.

A reporter for The Washington Times was the only reporter asked to leave the room today. After she was escorted out, the doors to the session, which had remained open, were closed.

So let me get this straight: CAIR came to the National Press Club, a bastion of Free Press in our country, unceremoniously kicked out a female reporter, and the rest of the audience stayed and sat on their butts? No wonder the press is becoming lower than used-car salesmen when it comes to having the respect of the American people. The dolts who stayed behind after the female reporter's ejection do not comprehend what Freedom of the Press means, and that's as telling as it is scary.

264 yochanan  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 5:44:26am

i only wish this was true i wish the POTUS had some islmophobia instead of the crap 'a religion of peace'

265 samhein  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 6:00:31am

Bush spends half his time kissing muslim ass, yet he's an islamophobic...

Guess you have to actually convert to rid yourself of this ailment.

266 oneman  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 6:14:29am

Bush doesn't have Islamophobia.

CAIR has Americaphobia.

267 RobCon  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 6:19:41am

"Muslims and their faith remained misunderstood, feared and shunned.”
- I wonder why?

268 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 6:21:25am

The only thing we have to fear is Islam itself.

269 Endangered in MASS  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 6:30:14am

re: #243 Shr_Nfr

They don't have phobias. It's all hate.

270 opnion  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 6:34:05am

This is par for the course. The irony is that Bush has gone out of his way to convince Americans that a peaceful religion has been hijacked by a tiny minority.
That is nonsense. If the polls a correct and I believe that they are understated, a lot of the ROP want us dead.
Bush should have named the enemy and rallied the people and still worked against a backlash.
We are not fighting terror. We are fighting blood thirsty savages who get their marching orders from the Koran and vicious old men in turbans.

271 eff plus  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 6:53:31am

So let me see if I understand this gentleman correctly: ‘Don’t try to prevent Muslims from killing you, or it will make them want to kill you.’

Hmmm, I’m no military genius Parvez, but that just doesn’t sound like a winning strategy to me.

272 cosmo  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 7:48:05am

"misunderstood, feared and shunned..."

I have a clear understanding of what radical fundamentalist islam expects of me: death. Not an ounce of misunderstanding.

I fear not death but what radical fundamentalist islam will do to my country if continually left unchecked.

I shun those whose creed permits them to commit murder in the name of their god.

So, Mr. Ahmed, "don't feel bad, cuz two out of three ain't bad." -- Meat Loaf

273 Jonn Lilyea  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 7:57:43am

I just heard Audrey Hudson (the WashTimes co-author of this story) on the Chris Core Show on WMAL here in DC and she says CAIR had her removed from the press conference. Guess they don't like the way she covered the Flying Imams.

274 cosmo  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 8:06:55am

re: #273 Jonn Lilyea

But remember, it's Bush's fault she was removed. Bush is the one who seeks to censor the press. Bush. Bush. Bush!

275 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 8:27:17am

re: #204 EE

Re - Suppression of Werwolf

All told, we did to them what they did in Occupied Areas while they were winning. Like after the assassination of the Reich Protector of Bohemia & Moravia - Does the name LIDICE mean anything to you? After the massacre, the Czech resistance was much more careful.

-S-

276 Hard Right  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 8:27:58am

Parvez, FOAD. We know damn well you are part of the terrorist network. You're just pushing the disinformation/legal bullying side of the fight.

277 sevoguy  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 8:40:12am

Maybe it's time to start showing the FALLING OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTERS on national TV and CABLE everday for the next month.

I'm sick of islam in america. PLEASE GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRIES.

278 turn  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 8:50:47am

It would appear Parvez is getting his die by terrorism stats here:
[Link: www.anotherperspective.org...]

(sorry this is my first link and my Link tool isn't working - I'll have to look into this)

and the first paragraph shows the BDS bias I'm sure he shares:

"For those of you who wonder just how safe you will be once you've given up all of your Constitutional freedoms and rights, it may be a valuable exercise to see what the odds are that you, personally, will die in one of these terrorist attacks now so often alluded to by Rumsfeld and Ashcroft and their little puppet, the moron."

279 turn  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 8:51:23am

Oh the link did work, cool.

280 Ellen  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 10:20:08am

Oh crap! Bush has been nicer than nice to Muslims. He calls Islam a religion of peace at every opportunity, he has Eid dinners, he's been a perfect gentleman toward Muslims. I swear - I hate CAIR!

281 CLLRusso  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 11:41:34am

And it does no good to send links to local newspapers that haven't published even a whisper of CAIR news that isn't positive, least they be accused of BIAS! I've tried, and am usually ignored, so I've decided to be a pain in the butt and do it anyway. The Tampa Tribune had nothing about the Ellison speech either. What will it take for these media people to understand what is happening? Another 9/11? A nuke on Washington DC.

282 Hard Right  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 1:41:02pm

re: #281 CLLRusso

And it does no good to send links to local newspapers that haven't published even a whisper of CAIR news that isn't positive, least they be accused of BIAS! I've tried, and am usually ignored, so I've decided to be a pain in the butt and do it anyway. The Tampa Tribune had nothing about the Ellison speech either. What will it take for these media people to understand what is happening? Another 9/11? A nuke on Washington DC.

Nothing will ever make them see we are at war. Doing so would not fit in with their leftist ideology. We'd have to judge the terrorists as evil and that they deserve to die. The only people they feel deserve that is Conservatives.

283 savetheus  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 7:47:38pm

My favorite Anti-CAIR video.

284 PartJew  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 8:15:09pm
285 spikester  Wed, Jul 18, 2007 10:17:15pm

Let us rub ourself down with napalm balm and C4 salve.


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