Is Stephen Glass back on the payroll?

Another Jesse? They want to believe so much!

Ever seen the movie "Shattered Glass"? About Stephen Glass at the TNR? Is it possible this is happening again?

-The Tuna

Can't wait to see how this plays out.

But "We Support The Troops."

This has been making the rounds for a couple of days. Some of the stuff sounds truly far fetched - like how any soldiers would make cracks about another person horribly disfigured by an IED (not clear whether it's a soldier or a contractor they're talking about - and if you're in the military, wouldn't that be abundantly clear not to mention that such injuries would likely result in an honorary discharge?) or that some driver would purposefully target dogs on the street and run them over - and the dogs would willingly stay put while all this happens?

These stories don't have to be true. They don't even have to interview people and get the story straight. They epitomize what the writers think the situation is in Iraq. If I were someone investigating this matter, I'd be demanding to see all manner of phone records, emails, notes and other communications to verify these events took place.

The whole thing reeks of being invented from the mind of an anti-war writer who couldn't be bothered by facts.

Here's the invite;

Does anyone who has served at FOB Falcon remember hearing about or seeing the humiliation of this woman? Do they know her name and how we might get in contact with her to confirm the author's account of the events that day?

Is anyone familiar with a combat outpost a few miles south of the Baghdad airport where a mass grave of Iraqi children was discovered? What about the other parts of the story? And does anyone else know of Bradleys careening wildly through the streets of Baghdad?

Please email any information, thoughts, and suggestions for further lines of inquiry to THE WORLDWIDE STANDARD at wws@weeklystandard.com. Click here for updates at THE WORLDWIDE STANDARD.

Must be a slow news day. If nothing happens that reflects badly on the United States...make it up! And what better way then to go after the troops on the ground. They can't respond immediately in kind.

Rise, Lizard Nation! Don't let the trolls smear our sons and daughters!

Has anyone here been to Iraq?

Anyone served in the Military under such conditions?

Would it make you want to do such terrible things?

Can anyone here stand in judgment of these troops if (!) they did do these things?

I know that I couldn't...

~Norsk Troll

Fake atrocities are a trick of the left going back to the Vietnam War days. Many of these claims were/are made by men who (1) never were in the places they claim to have witnessed atrocities or (2) were never in the military, period.

The left compares Iraq to Vietnam regularly. The only similarities in the conflicts are in the tactics and propaganda of the left.

re: #6 lawhawk

These stories don't have to be true. They don't even have to interview people and get the story straight. They epitomize what the writers think the situation is in Iraq...

The whole thing reeks of being invented from the mind of an anti-war writer who couldn't be bothered by facts.

It's all about the Truthiness!

I saw that yesterday. Made me want to throw up. I would bet this is fiction and the author just hates our military.

Either the New Republic is completely incapable of vetting a story (which I've heard from a reliable source is possible) or there is no horror story "perpetrated" by American troops they are not willing to believe (never mind the true horror stories perpetrated by our enemies).

If it's the former- shame on them. If it's the latter- shame on them.

Note: Two articles posted yesterday pointed out that journalists can and do tell truths as they see them,; their under no obligation to tell THE truth.

In a word, HOGWASH!...or someone is smoking too much crack!

Here we go again. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. Just write it and spread it throughout the internet. Many are willing to listen, because if it's on the internet, it must be true. Our troops are constantly being smeared by these "dissenting" types.

Malkin and she, among others, makes the Winter Soldier comparison.

Hugh Hewitt: The Hysterics of the Anti-War Fringe

Today's wacademia specimen;

Perpetuating grassroots extremism
By Dylan Miracle

There have been a TON of updates to this story, including at the Weekly Standard. Here are just a few that I blogged about:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPV iew.asp

http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/009052.htm l

http://formerspook.blogspot.com/2007/07/real-stori es-from-iraq.html

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/4c9201bb-8719-4b9 f-a33d-08f277104738

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/0 7/shock_troops_update.asp

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2007/07/the-new-repu bli.html

http://tank.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzczOTJiZjY 1MjA1YWEyZmRiZjZjNGI2NDAxZWEyOGM=

That last one at NRO's THE TANK has a lot of links to other military blogs posting on this.

Summer Soldiers. Stories heard and embelished x 10.

These are just stupid.

re: #14 cbinflux

Note: Two articles posted yesterday pointed out that journalists can and do tell truths as they see them,; their under no obligation to tell THE truth.

This is not in the tradition of real journalism. Instead, it's the bastard child known as advocacy journalism.

Anybody considered 'Jon Cary" as the author of this abomination? This isn't a scrap different than what he pulled during the Vietnam War.

I was reading a couple of threads yesterday on this a couple of blogs. The commentaters included Iraq veterans or contractors.

Reminded me a lot of the thread the day the Rather/TANG docs were exposed as fakes. The posters on these blogs explained why what was said in the New Republic was probably impossible.

When you have 1000s of experts reviewing something, it's easy to spot false items. Events that could not have occured. People that probably don't exist. etc.

re: #21 MandyManners

Or, better known as "fiction."

Kinda reminds me of the work of some other Iraqi fiction writer whose name escapes me.

It sure reads like another Jesse MacBeth. It's that alternate parallel universe the Left likes to document when they don't have anything to say about actual facts on the ground. It's so common now I think we should call them Kerry Stories or something. Lying about the troops launched Kerry's career and made him internationally famous. It's become a career track.

Jump over to BLACKFIVE. Uncle J has addresses this travesty there as well. I know a service member or two, and with the exception of the random douche bag who would quickly be regulated on, NO ONE FROM ANY BRANCH would behave the way this evil mother f^cker suggests. These John "The-Military-is-Stupid" Kerry-esq lies are almost certainly the spawn of some basement dwelling leftist pond scum who seeks to please his deranged Blame-America-First masters. I'd stake a pay check that the author of these articles this chronic Michale Moore masturbater has never served a day in the military. Or had a girlfriend for that matter.

Sorry for the ranting, but I haven't had my coffee yet.

Hugh Hewitt's had this up for a day, and it's been debunked on a couple pretty good points. Besides hitting the emotional heartstrings of dogs and disfigured women, there are problems like:

It's impossible to see close to the outside of a Bradley, especially with the periscope. No one calls it the chow hall, not since say the 70s. It's highly unlikely that stories like the skull on the head would not have been leaked and or investigated.

Etc etc etc.

Jesse, that you son? You out in EERak again? Smokin' KeeeRack again?

But, they do of course support our military. Or, the seal just broke and the flood of baby killer stories is coming again.

re: #21 MandyManners

re: #14 cbinflux

Note: Two articles posted yesterday pointed out that journalists can and do tell truths as they see them,; their under no obligation to tell THE truth.

This is not in the tradition of real journalism. Instead, it's the bastard child known as advocacy journalism.

The former is all but extinct; welcome to the New World Order.

My ol' buddy Dar ul Harb and I were hoping this one would get its own thread. (Thanks, Charles.)

I'm sure there was a previous LGF post showing a Jihadist (or a Kos Kid...I get them confused) advising like-minded folk to post fictitious crap like this. Maybe a little LGF Search is in order...

MSM is back to what I saw in the 1980's with stories on Vietnam vets. They are either victims or villians.

What? You mean some (lefty) journalist is making up lies and smearing our valiant troops in the field? Why, why... that's impossible! Journalists don't do that, they are objective observers and reporters of facts. They verify everything told them before publication or airing; they would never report something false just because it promoted their personal worldview!

/must I?

From the Weekly Standard link I posted above:

I served 4 years in the Army, including service in Desert Storm, and was in a Bradley Fighting Vehicle battalion, the 1/9 Cav Regiment out of Ft. Hood.

As with most things written by the the traitorous media, the Shock Troop story is a collection of lies, complied by sissy leftist who don't even do enough research to make their lies believable. Sort of like the story of flushing a Koran down a toilet.

I've been in the drivers seat of a Bradley, and as Stuart Koehl says, you have terrible visibility on the right hand side. The engine is over there, and it's like trying to put a Ford Excursion in a parking space for a compact car.

The closest you can see on the right side is probably 15 feet away, and that would be with the seat all the way up, and the hatch fully opened back. No trooper is going to ride down a road in Iraq sitting that high, he'd be a sitting duck for a sniper. They either roll with the hatch fully shut, looking through the periscopes for visibility (think driving a sub down the street), or at most, with the hatch at half-cock, where you look though a slit (think sitting in a trash can with the lid on your head).

You're not going to be able to see a dog over there, so that's one lie.

Another lie is running things over with the Bradley. Take a look at the front it. The first thing that sticks out is the tracks, which are also the most vulnerable part of it. If you went around running into buildings or concrete barriers with your Bradley, you'd throw a track, and after your BC (Bradley commander) put his boot up your ass for being a dumb-ass, you'd spend the rest of your tour demoted down to sitting in the dreaded side turret jump seat between the driver and the rest of the crew, breathing diesels fumes, mixed in with BO and MRE gas from the dismount team.

Other lies - how does a dog sit in the road and get run over by an armored vehicle? How many dogs have you ever seen run over like this? Dogs aren't dumb, they get out of the way of a 23 ton armoured vehicle. The Bradley is not a Formula 1 race car either - the usual rolling speed is about 20-30 MPH. The article makes it sound like the BFV (Bradley Fighting Vehicle) is some sort of Klingon warship with a clocking device and a sound silencer, capbale of sneaking up on sleeping dogs and running them over before they can get up and move the 2 feet they'd have to get out of the way.

Then there's the story of a dog getting run over, with the two sections twitching around. Notice how it's written for shock value, with some lie about the head just staying there. The tracks of a Bradley are pretty wide - it's not a tire, it's a track. That would have to be one damn big stray dog to be cut in two by a Bradley, and still have identifiable parts on either side. Besides, how did he know what happended after he had run it over? Did he stop, get out of his vehicle, and walk over to it to take a look? You don't have real view mirror on a BFV.

Ian Kress
US Army, 1989-1993
MOS 11H (Infantry - Anti-Armor)
1/9th Cav Regiment, 1st Cav Division, Ft Hood.

I'm sure John F. Kerry will be testifying to TNR's "truthiness". He served in Viet Nam and is very familiar with atrocities, ya know

As the daughter and granddaughter of soldiers, I call BS. Only in the fevered dreams of the left do our men and women of the military behave this way.

Good Lord, if you can't find something horrid to say, I guess you should just make it up.

Susan

I call BULLSHIT!
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
this link shows some striking similarities to a nutroot ex soldier

THere'll be a slew of movies produced with this kind of lying BS.

SOrt of like Kerry's congressional testimony.

All Vietnam movies following that BS showed our soldiers as psychopaths.

OT...Rocket launcher found near Newark Airport...

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

re: #1 JammieWearingFool

Is Stephen Glass back on the payroll?

Maybe they brought Ruth Shalit back?

re: #34 Prince of Dorkness

GMTA

Wow, you'd think I troops were acting in a way reminiscent of Jenjis Khan.

re: #26 Beagle

It sure reads like another Jesse MacBeth. It's that alternate parallel universe the Left likes to document when they don't have anything to say about actual facts on the ground. It's so common now I think we should call them Kerry Stories or something. Lying about the troops launched Kerry's career and made him internationally famous. It's become a career track.

No, they are officially, as of this moment, named

Kerrytales

re: #29 cbinflux

I useta' wonder what went wrong but, thank's to BabbaZee's raising awareness about Gramsci, I know what happened.

re: #38 Osama Bin Porkchop

Good link.

Though, I'm sure we'll find that it was just some innocent non-Muslim leaving it on the roof of his car and driving away by accident. I did that with a bucket of KFC once.

Strange that our troops only commit atrocities while republicans are in office, yet die more when dems are.

Rocket launcher found in Jersey City

Planted by Republicans to whip up fear over the John Doe legislation.

re: #10 mickthemick

Fake atrocities are a trick of the left going back to the Vietnam War days. Many of these claims were/are made by men who (1) never were in the places they claim to have witnessed atrocities or (2) were never in the military, period.

The left compares Iraq to Vietnam regularly. The only similarities in the conflicts are in the tactics and propaganda of the left.

Wait, didn't I hear this sort of thing from John Kerry? He had a magic hat in a place we hadn't been yet and they were murdering, terrorizing men women and children in the dark of night and...Oh yeah, he also had a piece of rice in his ass.
And not for nuthin',

Stephen Glass

They don't learn fast over there, do they?
Some may call it treason.

re: #42 cookielady

Kerrytales!

I like it! No. I love it!

More. I just happened to be on topic when Charles put up the subject.
[Link: www.mudvillegazette.com...]

OK, let's call it bullshit. Does anyone really think after Abu Grhab some idiot is going to wear a skull around all day? Or laugh at an American IED victim?

the story's getting eaten alive over at The New Republic, just read the comments. it doesn't look like anyone has ever believed the story.

OT
Philly Imam to enter prison Aug. 13

/Will he comply, or will he boogie in a burqa?

re: #38 Osama Bin Porkchop

Whoa. Maybe I'm still not awake yet, but did you notice the woman' name?

Ahhh...I found it: LGF, Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 9:59:04 am PST.

Influencing the Views of the Weak-Minded American
Here’s an eye-opener.

We all know they’re doing it, but this post on a jihadi web site explicitly instructs the Islamic warriors on how to manipulate “weak-minded Americans” and foster anti-war sentiment, by using popular web forums (I’m looking at you, Daily Kos) and video sharing sites like YouTube and LiveLeak to spread propaganda and disinformation.

And, the phrase that pays...

“Invent Stories About American Soldiers You Have [Allegedly] Personally Known”

Ehmm...

Its Execution time

An NCO would bring anyone up on charges utilizing the UCMJ if this happened, end of story. I'm speaking of ANY war we have fought!

re: #50 pat

More. I just happened to be on topic when Charles put up the subject.
[Link: www.mudvillegazette.com...]

OK, let's call it bullshit. Does anyone really think after Abu Grhab some idiot is going to wear a skull around all day? Or laugh at an American IED victim?

Stealing scenes from Apocalypse Now.

When they reach the bridge.

The Black soldier who fires the mortar at the guy on the loudspeaker.

re: #26 Beagle

It sure reads like another Jesse MacBeth. It's that alternate parallel universe the Left likes to document when they don't have anything to say about actual facts on the ground. It's so common now I think we should call them Kerry Stories or something. ..

Kerry Stories.

I like it!

Mandy likes it! I'm so honored!

:-D

So, can we make up our own Kerrytales now? And whenever someone lies about the troops, can we call it a Kerrytale? Can we, can we, huh?

Puhleeeaaassseee?

All this talk of summer and winter soldiers reminds me of a time when this term described a much more sanguinary situation.

Please support the Thomas Paine Memorial in Fort Lee NJ.

Kerrytales is even better!

Excellent, cookielady!

Now banned lizard Rayra, at GCP, discussed how difficult it would be for a Bradley driver to target dogs this way.

This is Jon Carry style 'Jenjis Khan' style baby-killing porn for the LLL

re: #57 Ben Hur

Or from 'Dead Presidents' when he carries the head around for a week.

And I think the Apocalypse Now scene was an M-79.

We could tuck the KosKids in every night with a Kerrytale...

aawww, how sweet!

#53 YourTaxDollarsAtWork 7/20/2007 9:28:16 am PDT reply quote

re: #38 Osama Bin Porkchop

Whoa. Maybe I'm still not awake yet, but did you notice the woman' name?

Niranjana Besai.

Is that a Muslim's name?

Worked before with John F***ing Kerry. Why should in not work now?

Dean Barnett, subbed for Hugh Hewitt last night and spent the entire show on this story. Turns out part of these "Karbala Tales" may have originated from articles in Der Spiegel from 2004, involving German troop misbehavior. I smell some stinky schnitzel.

This is war porn for consumption by the moonbats, I'm sure they'll believe it without reservation at Kos and the DU. It reminds me of John Kerry and the Winter Soldier lies.

According to what Goldfarb posted this morning at the Weekly Standard's website, New Republic still hasn't responded. Certainly, there's nothing on New Republic's blogs (though I haven't checked this morning, yet).

Oh, it's probably not Stephen Glass himself, but it's his behavioral twin!

The original story sounds and reads like another "Gee, we hate the country and the war, so let's write up a story that just shows how evil and mean we can imagine these guys to be, so that people will start believing us because we've made up stuff that makes the soldiers out to be worse than the Nazis, because, even though the story isn't true, we have to do something" BS.

The criticisms offered on the Standard regarding the dining room facilities, the turn radius, etc., combined with my own experiences at FOBs convince me that this is just another "Gee...something" story. A fabrication with a political goal.

re: #28 brent

Hugh Hewitt's had this up for a day, and it's been debunked on a couple pretty good points. Besides hitting the emotional heartstrings of dogs and disfigured women, there are problems like:

I have to tell you, I was an Army wife for a good long time. Never, anywhere, have I seen women treated with as much respect - no matter their age or appearance - than on a military base. Any military base. BTW, the same applies to dogs.

re: #51 bosforus

the story's getting eaten alive over at The New Republic, just read the comments. it doesn't look like anyone has ever believed the story.

SOme don't beleive it, yet they think it's to make the New Republic look bad, not the US military and the soldiers.

Their priorities are STILL upsidedown.

re: #62 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Now banned lizard Rayra, at GCP, discussed how difficult it would be for a Bradley driver to target dogs this way.

This is Jon Carry style 'Jenjis Khan' style baby-killing porn for the LLL

Not to mention, unless things have changed greatly damage done to the Bradley due to misuse of government property while running over dogs as sport would come directly out of the driver's pocket, just like knocking down trees does in Germany.

scott thomas is obviously a member of nancy pelosi's staff...

Video: O’Reilly on JetKosBlue Update: Kos crows?

But go to the YearlyKos convention website, and you’ll note the JetBlue logo is still there, on the home page. And I’ve confirmed that yes, indeed, JetBlue isn’t going anywhere. They don’t plan on caving to pressure from the neanderthals at Fox News.

You'll notice the logo is now removed. As I suspect earlier; Jetblue didn't insist their logo stay up, Kos just refused to take it down. He probably received a nice Cease and Desist order from Jet Blue's lawyers.

Do you think they'll claim it's satire, and we're all too thick to get it?

In my case, that might be true, but not most of the rest of you.

#67 Kostya Lotz
As I remember it the articles in Der Spiegel were also falsified.

re: #65 MandyManners

Don't know... can't commit to a yes or no decision, but it just struck me as odd.

re: #38 Osama Bin Porkchop

OT...Rocket launcher found near Newark Airport...

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

Sources tell CBS 2 HD that it’s the kind of missile launcher that can take down an aircraft and that the area where the launcher was discovered is in or very near a flight path for Newark Liberty International Airport.

My mom lives near there.

Worked before with John F***ing Kerry. Why should in not work now?

Ahhh, until, oh let's say 1991 or so with Rush, 2000 and later with blogs, Fox News, etc. but before that, there was no alternative to your evening news, big city daily, and Time/newsweek.

The fake Dan Rather docs still wouldn't be exposed if things hadn't changed.

I think the writer probably heard stories like these from soldiers -- guys tell tall tales during downtime -- and instead of doing the honorable thing and checking them, TNR's writer forsook any responsibility whatsoever, and simply published it. Or, even more outrageously, maybe the guy just made up the whole ball of dung himself.

Glad the Weekly Standard and the blogs are onto it.

re: #24 MandyManners

re: #21 MandyManners

Or, better known as "fiction."

Also known as "propaganda".

78 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

Well, she immediately called police.

I doubt dogs will just stand there while a big truck comes at them. I would bet that dogs can move quicker than a Bradley.

Oh, ARRGH.

I've been working at The New Republic since May -- on the business/ad side, I wish to stress, not in the editorial department. Nonetheless, I have to sit in on the weekly editorial meetings, and there was not a word uttered about this during yesterday's meeting, so I guess they weren't aware of the growing blowback yet.

thank heaven---in this age of the Blogsphere, such lies aren't going to go unchallenged, and they can actually be disproved, rather than simply being dished out---and never disputed---by NBC, CBS, ABC, Life Magazine and Walter Cronkite ("The Most Trusted Man in America"---heh!)

These tales themselves just don't sound credible: as some commenters on the Blackfive website point out, a woman that severely burned would probably have been airlifted out---and, even if she stayed, It's highly doubtful that she'd have been allowed to eat out with the general public, badly injured as she was. And you'll note the writer doesn't give her name, or her rank, or anything; she's just some anonymous woman in a tan uniform. You really have to doubt a story with such vague details. As for the poor run over doggies. . . why would soldiers on a mission, in enemy territory, take the time and effort to kill random dogs? (Even if they were just sadistic brutes, which I really don't think they are.) I mean, even a sadistic brute could probably figure out that such behavior was dangerous, and likely to get him killed.

It's part urban legend, part "Winter Soldier/American Soldiers are Sadists!" agitprop.

re: #82 Sharmuta

The best propaganda has a kernel of truth. This doesn't at all.

Missile Launcher story does not say if the launcher was used. Since it looked like a tube, I am assuming Russian type. But it might have taken it's shot already!

#81 cognito

Trust me, he made the whole mess of BS up himself.

re: #83 MandyManners

Good point. I'm going to be anxious to see how this develops, whether is some kind of bizzare frame up, or someone trying to take out a plane and finding out their equipment was bad, or whatever.

As someone said yesterday, the stories have meaness to puppies, disfigured women, dead children, etc.

All that's missing is a contribution to global warming. Maybe he left his Bradly vehicle idling and contributed to climate change.

My husband and I were talking about this. He is at Camp Phoenix near Taji, About the disfigured woman in the chow hall, he said, and I quote: "but i really don't think a military member sitting in a chow hall would say such a thing because if he said it loud enough for others to hear, someone would have yanked his ass out of the chow hall."

About the skull---basically what others have said. An NCO or officer would have put his ass on the 5th floor of a psych hospital back in the states.

About the dogs: Number one, these aren't house pets we're talking about. Arabs don't keep dogs as pets. Often times they carry bombs, they also hide bombs in corpses. They use to shoot dogs because they carry diseases, rabies and sometimes bombs and they didn't want them near their camp, because at that time they had hardly any protection around them. He said now you see very few stray dogs.

re: #87 MandyManners

re: #82 Sharmuta

The best propaganda has a kernel of truth. This doesn't at all.

But these are neo-leftists. It feels true.

/AKA- Fake but accurate

re: #81 Cognito

I had a feeling we'd see you today.

re: #85 Throbert McGee

Can you provide us a location or point of contact for the author/editor? You know, so I can show my 'support'.

Smells like bullshit to me.

The left-wingers are tying to set up a Vietnam style loss in Iraq. When our Military become easy to vilify -- that opens doors for democrats.

re: #70 grumpy old codger

it reads like an over the top comic book, like dick tracy.

I saw her nearly every time I went to dinner in the chow hall at my base in Iraq. She wore an unrecognizable tan uniform, so I couldn't really tell whether she was a soldier or a civilian contractor. The thing that stood out about her...

it's so poorly written i almost want to believe it was written by a soldier and not some wannabe journalist, not that i think soldiers are bad writers ;)

One of my battalion's patrols was hit by an IED that severely wounded the BSM and the turret gunner. The others in the vehicle were also injured but not as badly. Immediately after this event, the rest of the patrol found four Iraqis who tested positive for explosives. Additionally, they found part of the detonation device in the trash barrel where the four were arrested. Despite the fact that these four had just injured (not killed, but they didn't know that yet, due to fast action by the medic and the heli team) five of their fellow soldiers, the patrol handcuffed them and brought them to my aid station. It was my job to examine the detainees medically and, if necessary, to order photographs of any injuries. The men were not harmed by my soldiers during or after the arrest. Despite injuring our fellow GIs, the detainees were treated (in reality - no uniforms, etc.) much better than they deserved under the GC.

More Fake Veterans
Democrats keep putting forward fake veterans.

There was Micah Wright.

There was Jessie MacBeth--the army ranger who wasn't. Ironically, what tripped up MacBeth is what trips up lots of fake veterans--mistakes in wearing their uniforms.

Now Clare McCaskill seems to have been taken in by another lefty-fraud.

Josh Lansdale has done a lot talking this past year about his time in Iraq. And... Not a word of it is true!
Besides the articles written about Josh describing his days in Iraq, in September, Josh made a commercial for democrat Claire McCaskill against the Missouri Veteran's Administration and and Senator Jim Talent (Ad Here). Josh blamed Senator Talent for waits he endured at a VA Hospital. When asked, however, to justify those claims with appointment records, Josh became indignant and disappeared. Now, Josh is filming more angry veteran commercials, this time for votevets.org, a democratic anti-Iraq War organization headed by Wesley Clark. The ads are airing throughout the country in an effort to take down Republicans.

The publicity has drawn out the guys in his unit who wonder what the hell he's talking about...

When they aren't impersonating vets or embellishing their war records (a remarkable number of Democrat elected officials have embellished their war records and like the pederasts in the party, have no problem getting reelected), they're denigrating vets as losers, bullies, torturers and murderers

If you want to know why John Kerry's comments resonated to strongly--this is why.

[Link: www.uncorrelated.com...]

re: #94 Sharmuta

re: #81 Cognito

I had a feeling we'd see you today.

Not a tough prediction, that. I'm here most every day.

re: #73 galloping granny

re: #62 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Now banned lizard Rayra, at GCP, discussed how difficult it would be for a Bradley driver to target dogs this way.

This is Jon Carry style 'Jenjis Khan' style baby-killing porn for the LLL

Not to mention, unless things have changed greatly damage done to the Bradley due to misuse of government property while running over dogs as sport would come directly out of the driver's pocket, just like knocking down trees does in Germany.

Also, let's not forget - let's NOT forget, Dude - that keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, for uh, domestic, you know, within the city - that aint legal either.

Walter Sobchak

re: #81 Cognito

I think the writer probably heard stories like these from soldiers -- guys tell tall tales during downtime -- and instead of doing the honorable thing and checking them, TNR's writer forsook any responsibility whatsoever, and simply published it. Or, even more outrageously, maybe the guy just made up the whole ball of dung himself.

Glad the Weekly Standard and the blogs are onto it.

Cognito, you are full of crap on this one. I spent every single night of my life for several years with a houseful of soldiers enjoying a little "down time" - tank unit, BTW - and never once heard tales like this. Descriptions of stage acts down in Frankfurt, comparisons of gun size, that kind of thing but never ONCE BS stories about running over dogs and never ONCE crap about how some poor SOB (male or female) looked after an injury.

re: #85 Throbert McGee

Oh, ARRGH.

I've been working at The New Republic since May -- on the business/ad side, I wish to stress, not in the editorial department. Nonetheless, I have to sit in on the weekly editorial meetings, and there was not a word uttered about this during yesterday's meeting, so I guess they weren't aware of the growing blowback yet.

I'd be careful if I were you, mentioning place of work. I have a funny feeling someone seeing "Throbert McGee" could probably guess who you really are.

Are you as heart-broken as I am that LGF doesn't allow gaudily ostentatious weather updates anymore?

Cognito does have one point.

Reporters report what rumours they hear within the safety of their hotel.

re: #100 Dustyvet

More Fake Veterans
Democrats keep putting forward fake veterans.

There was Micah Wright.

There was Jessie MacBeth--the army ranger who wasn't. Ironically, what tripped up MacBeth is what trips up lots of fake veterans--mistakes in wearing their uniforms.

Now Clare McCaskill seems to have been taken in by another lefty-fraud.

Josh Lansdale has done a lot talking this past year about his time in Iraq. And... Not a word of it is true!
Besides the articles written about Josh describing his days in Iraq, in September, Josh made a commercial for democrat Claire McCaskill against the Missouri Veteran's Administration and and Senator Jim Talent (Ad Here). Josh blamed Senator Talent for waits he endured at a VA Hospital. When asked, however, to justify those claims with appointment records, Josh became indignant and disappeared. Now, Josh is filming more angry veteran commercials, this time for votevets.org, a democratic anti-Iraq War organization headed by Wesley Clark. The ads are airing throughout the country in an effort to take down Republicans.

The publicity has drawn out the guys in his unit who wonder what the hell he's talking about...

When they aren't impersonating vets or embellishing their war records (a remarkable number of Democrat elected officials have embellished their war records and like the pederasts in the party, have no problem getting reelected), they're denigrating vets as losers, bullies, torturers and murderers

If you want to know why John Kerry's comments resonated to strongly--this is why.

[Link: www.uncorrelated.com...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I think this transcends fiction and goes straight to sedition/treason etc...

re: #104 galloping granny

re: #81 Cognito

I think the writer probably heard stories like these from soldiers -- guys tell tall tales during downtime -- and instead of doing the honorable thing and checking them, TNR's writer forsook any responsibility whatsoever, and simply published it. Or, even more outrageously, maybe the guy just made up the whole ball of dung himself.

Glad the Weekly Standard and the blogs are onto it.

Cognito, you are full of crap on this one. I spent every single night of my life for several years with a houseful of soldiers enjoying a little "down time" - tank unit, BTW - and never once heard tales like this. Descriptions of stage acts down in Frankfurt, comparisons of gun size, that kind of thing but never ONCE BS stories about running over dogs and never ONCE crap about how some poor SOB (male or female) looked after an injury.

Hey, it's no big deal -- guys do tell tall tales. I had a soldier tell me on an airplane two days ago that his branch forced a soldier to inhale a big pile of marijuana so they could test limits.

True? I can't say it's impossible. But it does sound like a tall tale, and the guy got a laugh out of telling it.

#104 Galloping Granny

Heh, heh, heh. . . oh yes, soldiers just love to spend their time making up stories about how they go around killing poor lil' doggies, laughing at the wounded and wearing kids' schools---yeah. Right.

Ignore Cognito. He's a shill for the media, and, since Charles is running an article critical of the media, he's here to derail the thread.

Remember folks: Precious left-wing progressives do not have to answer tough questions.

They are above criticism.
They are above the law.
They are allowed to lie.
They are allowed to propagandize.

I've never been in a Army chow hall or mess tent or whatever they call them.

But my Dad, now deceased, told me stories about "SOS" from his days in the Army Air Force in WW2, and well, I have tried two different varieties of that back when I worked for Presidetn Reagan, one with creamed beef, another with beef in a thin tomato based sauce, and while I prefered the creamed beef, I didn't think either style was bad.

Regarding NJ Rocket Launcher...

I've been expecting this at Detroit Metro (DTW) for awhile.

/just sayin'

re: #108 Dustyvet

re: #100 Dustyvet

More Fake Veterans
Democrats keep putting forward fake veterans.

There was Micah Wright.

There was Jessie MacBeth--the army ranger who wasn't. Ironically, what tripped up MacBeth is what trips up lots of fake veterans--mistakes in wearing their uniforms.

Now Clare McCaskill seems to have been taken in by another lefty-fraud.

Josh Lansdale has done a lot talking this past year about his time in Iraq. And... Not a word of it is true!
Besides the articles written about Josh describing his days in Iraq, in September, Josh made a commercial for democrat Claire McCaskill against the Missouri Veteran's Administration and and Senator Jim Talent (Ad Here). Josh blamed Senator Talent for waits he endured at a VA Hospital. When asked, however, to justify those claims with appointment records, Josh became indignant and disappeared. Now, Josh is filming more angry veteran commercials, this time for votevets.org, a democratic anti-Iraq War organization headed by Wesley Clark. The ads are airing throughout the country in an effort to take down Republicans.

The publicity has drawn out the guys in his unit who wonder what the hell he's talking about...

When they aren't impersonating vets or embellishing their war records (a remarkable number of Democrat elected officials have embellished their war records and like the pederasts in the party, have no problem getting reelected), they're denigrating vets as losers, bullies, torturers and murderers

If you want to know why John Kerry's comments resonated to strongly--this is why.

[Link: www.uncorrelated.com...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

On Friday, May 18 2007, a criminal complaint was unsealed in the United States District Court in Seattle, Washington, charging Macbeth with one count of using or possessing a forged or altered military discharge certificate and one count of making false statements in seeking benefits from the Veterans Administration.[32] The complaint alleged that Macbeth posed as an Iraq war veteran and illicitly collected more than $10,400 in benefits.

On June 7, 2007, Macbeth pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. He will be sentenced on September 21.[33]

#90 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

Maybe a dry run to see how the authorities would react?

Kerry came out and said their was no bloodbath after the Vietnam War the other day... So when does he get at least unelected? What? He won't? Oh-I forgot that he's big Dem money and will only leave office as a corpse...

Hey, don't be so hard on THE NEW REPUBLIC. For a formerly occasionally interesting magazine now being edited by snotty 14-year-olds, it's doing a great job!

Men who have to kill for the sake of your continued living don't EVER tell asinine bullshit stories like these.
Trust me on that.

This is a Winter Soldier Redux agenda driven bullshitathon and it's right out of the commie playbook.

re: #75 Killgore Trout

My word-their advertisers are like a list of the Enemies of America League. Teachers Union and all. Oy

re: #115 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I've never been in a Army chow hall or mess tent or whatever they call them.

But my Dad, now deceased, told me stories about "SOS" from his days in the Army Air Force in WW2, and well, I have tried two different varieties of that back when I worked for Presidetn Reagan, one with creamed beef, another with beef in a thin tomato based sauce, and while I prefered the creamed beef, I didn't think either style was bad.

SOS stands for "beef on toast", and is a popular breakfast item for government employees, in case you were wondering.

#93 Sharmuta

HA! Thanks for the grim smile this morning.

#94 Sharmuta

LOL! I was just about to do the Cognito Countdown, when, lo and behold, up he pops! What a shock! I'm shocked---SHOCKED, I tell you! (Heh, heh, heh.)

To defend Cognito a bit, I have heard soldiers tell civies bullshit stories, but they were always the guys outside of the combat. On the other hand, this is not retold tales. This appears to be a moonbat's delusion of how all American soldiers are baby killers. Just like Kerry, who once got famous by lying, has now convinced himself that he actually was a soldier instead of a pretty boy who heard that 3 purples got you a ticket home.

Newark was home to the Santa Claus sheikh, the spiritual leader of the people that killed Rabbi Kahane, killed a yeshiva student in a drive by shooting, and, oh yeah, bombed the WTC in 1993.

re: #112 TalkinKamel

#104 Galloping Granny

Heh, heh, heh. . . oh yes, soldiers just love to spend their time making up stories about how they go around killing poor lil' doggies, laughing at the wounded and wearing kids' schools---yeah. Right.

Ignore Cognito. He's a shill for the media, and, since Charles is running an article critical of the media, he's here to derail the thread.

Relax. I said the writer probably heard some stories and didn't bother to check them out -- or worse, he made them up from whole cloth. The small stuff could easily have originated from rumors. Not a crazy notion.

And I'm not shilling for anybody. Noticed I said TNR looks stupid here. And notice that the Weekly Standard is... drum roll... part of the media.

Don't try to twist what I've said.

yawn

Should have said Kids' skulls, not schools, in my earlier post.

The point being that an American soldier parading around with a child's skull on his head (would it even fit?) is pretty unbelievable.

(Hey, even when the Kamel spells wrong, her heart's in the right place!)

re: #125 TalkinKamel

#94 Sharmuta

LOL! I was just about to do the Cognito Countdown, when, lo and behold, up he pops! What a shock! I'm shocked---SHOCKED, I tell you! (Heh, heh, heh.)

How impressive of you. Seeing how I show up pretty much daily.

In boot camp, although I didn't really believe it too much, rumor went around about a square needle shot into the left testicle.

Never happened.

I did get a smallpox vaccination, but possibly because I had been vaccinated as a child, I got barely a blister. That was 25 years ago, I'm not sure how much immunity I would have left.

re: #111 Cognito

I had a soldier tell me on an airplane two days ago that his branch forced a soldier to inhale a big pile of marijuana so they could test limits.

Still calling bullsh!t. Weed inhalation is a hell of a lot different than mocking an IED victim.

#130 BabbaZee

(Double Yawn)

How's it goin' Babba?

re: #77 pat

Sooo, it's an Ouroboros. It gets a little deeper in the context of "the world".

Cognito is a let less hysterical than Gordon is/was. I haven't seen a "shame on you, Charles" post from him yet.

That is a compliment, sort of.

re: #133 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

In boot camp, although I didn't really believe it too much, rumor went around about a square needle shot into the left testicle.

Never happened.

I did get a smallpox vaccination, but possibly because I had been vaccinated as a child, I got barely a blister. That was 25 years ago, I'm not sure how much immunity I would have left.

About all of it. Unfortunately for humankind, any female that is still immune to smallpox is probably too old to bear children.

re: #118 MandyManners

You think maybe flying imams style?

I'm still banking on someone trying to shoot down a plane and finding out it was dud.

re: #135 TalkinKamel

It goes. I try to keep up.
;~}

re: #134 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #111 Cognito

I had a soldier tell me on an airplane two days ago that his branch forced a soldier to inhale a big pile of marijuana so they could test limits.

Still calling bullsh!t. Weed inhalation is a hell of a lot different than mocking an IED victim.

Nope. I find that part just as shocking as you do. I suspect the writer made it up totally, although I don't know just yet. No one does. Should be interesting to see the whole thing play out.

The writer's only redemption will be if he produces names of the soldiers he spoke with, and tapes of them talking.

re: #132 Cognito

How impressive of you. Seeing how I show up pretty much daily.

Impressive? Want to try a better word Mr. MSM. Prescient, maybe? Perceptive, perhaps?

Uh-uh, I saw this coming---I thought, "cognito's gonna try and derail the thread by turning it into an argument over whether or not soldiers tell tall tales"---which my magical 8-ball subsequently confirmed. And, lo and behold, that's precisely what he's saying!

Next, he's going to complain that we're twisting what he's saying. Then his feeling are going to be hurt. Then, he's going to resort to snark.

Ed, Cog has earned a shame on you post from Charles. LOL

re: #142 jamil hussein

re: #132 Cognito

How impressive of you. Seeing how I show up pretty much daily.

Impressive? Want to try a better word Mr. MSM. Prescient, maybe? Perceptive, perhaps?

Huh. Impressive.

The real story, for me in all of this, is how willing so many people are to believe this type of BS. For 90% of the people the closet they have come to actually experiencing anything remotely associated with the military is through the movies. When your points of reference are "Platoon", "Stripes", and "Apopcalypse Now" it is no wonder.
Whether it is Jeff Englehart with his wild stories of chemical weapons in Fallujah or Jesse MacBeth PX Ranger extraordinare, they are simply too many people with too little knowledge who just lap this stuff. It will find its' way into a speech on the floor of Congress and from then on it is fact.

The only time I've Israeli soldiers BS is when they want to get laid by American Jewish tourists.

"I'm heading up north to Lebanon on Sunday for 3 weeks, and might not come back. Will you spend my last night with me?"

And

"I can't tell you what I do in the army."

Guys who usually say this kind of shit are army chefs who do one week on, one week off, and get home by 12pm in the afternoon.

The special forces guys I know don't shvitz.

re: #138 galloping granny

Unfortunately for humankind, any female that is still immune to smallpox is probably too old to bear children.

There was a movie called 'Children of Men' which posed the problem of sudden mass infertility of women... gruesome.

Hmmm

Isnt the new republic an easy way to get you rnew fiction stories out there so you can be published?

Tropical Depression Cosme has finally reached the warmer water South of Hawaii, and should become a storm again shortly.

But no parties for Hawaii, it misses too far South, just wind gusts to 30 knots in passing squalls and locally heavy rain.

re: #143 TalkinKamel

Uh-uh, I saw this coming---I thought, "cognito's gonna try and derail the thread by turning it into an argument over whether or not soldiers tell tall tales"---which my magical 8-ball subsequently confirmed. And, lo and behold, that's precisely what he's saying!

Next, he's going to complain that we're twisting what he's saying. Then his feeling are going to be hurt. Then, he's going to resort to snark.

I'm sure you'll remember this little bit from my original post:

Or, even more outrageously, maybe the guy just made up the whole ball of dung himself.

Glad the Weekly Standard and the blogs are onto it.

re: #62 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

This is Jon Carry style 'Jenjis Khan' style baby-killing porn for the LLL

Winter Soldier all the way.

(and thanks Charles!)

Do you think he did it to make The New Republic look bad?

Or the soldiers?

re: #146 Just_A_Grunt

you are so right

re: #128 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Newark was home to the Santa Claus sheikh, the spiritual leader of
the people that killed Rabbi Kahane, killed a yeshiva student in a
drive by shooting, and, oh yeah, bombed the WTC in 1993.

Omar Abdel Rahman

Lynne Stewart was his lawyer.

re: #146 Just_A_Grunt

The real story, for me in all of this, is how willing so many people are to believe this type of BS. For 90% of the people the closet they have come to actually experiencing anything remotely associated with the military is through the movies. When your points of reference are "Platoon", "Stripes", and "Apopcalypse Now" it is no wonder.
Whether it is Jeff Englehart with his wild stories of chemical weapons in Fallujah or Jesse MacBeth PX Ranger extraordinare, they are simply too many people with too little knowledge who just lap this stuff. It will find its' way into a speech on the floor of Congress and from then on it is fact.

I hope not. I hope people see though it.

I can't wait for Iowahawk's parody of this insane leftwing smear on the troops.

www.blackfive.net

This site will set it straight.

re: #156 Cognito

I think a lot of them will see through this Kerrytale, as the folks here do. Others will believe what they want to believe, and will swallow the swill whole, and wholeheartedly. That's life and that's people, sadly.

Well, with Baby #4 due on Halloween, if my wife became infertile, assuming the rest of the equipment still worked, I could probably handle it.

For that matter, if I catch the mumps now (how long does the vaccine last?) it wouldn't be a tragedy. Unless I developed complications and went blind, or deaf, or died.

Then I guess catching the mumps would be a tragedy.

Went over to the swamps (KOs and DU), and didn't see a thing about this, either the original story or the mass fisking of it. Apparently, even the scum sucking moonbats over there weren't dumb enough to swallow this garbage...

re: #160 cookielady

re: #156 Cognito

I think a lot of them will see through this Kerrytale, as the folks here do. Others will believe what they want to believe, and will swallow the swill whole, and wholeheartedly. That's life and that's people, sadly.

That's what ticks me off about what those morons did at Abu Ghraib. It confirmed some people's worst suspicions about the military, and gives them license to believe whatever tale wafts up next.

re: #162 MoonbatBane

Went over to the swamps (KOs and DU), and didn't see a thing about this, either the original story or the mass fisking of it. Apparently, even the scum sucking moonbats over there weren't dumb enough to swallow this garbage...

Maybe not, but I can just see the MSM salivating at the chance to make the troops look bad, even if it's a lie. They never have to print retractions, you see.

I don't listen to talk radio much, used to like Ingrahm but she is no longer here. But this is damn funny. Fellow named Boortz;
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

OT:

Michael Moore vs. CNN

Let's be blunt: Michael Moore is one ungrateful leftist hack. CNN had showered him with three hours and 10 minutes of face time (repeats included) on "Larry King Live" and "The Situation Room," helping him sell his latest socialist film, "Sicko." That kind of attention would make a conservative drool. But when CNN aired a "fact check" piece on his documentary, adding a fraction of balance, he declared jihad, promising in a letter to be CNN's "worst nightmare."

re: #164 vxbush

Maybe not, but I can just see the MSM salivating at the chance to make the troops look bad, even if it's a lie. They never have to print retractions, you see.

Clarification: the main three news broadcasters don't do retractions. The papers might, but they are often buried deep in the bush...

Kerrytale. Love that. Can hardly wait till someone uses it in a debate.

Cheney to assume presidential powers

Heads exploding...

Breaking Fox News Alert Email...

REPORT: FEDS INVESTIGATING ROCKET LAUNCHER FOUND AT A HOME NEAR FLIGHT PATH FOR NEW JERSEY'S NEWARK AIRPORT

re: #174 JammieWearingFool

YYYEEESSS!

re: #166 pat

I don't listen to talk radio much, used to like Ingrahm but she is no longer here. But this is damn funny. Fellow named Boortz;
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

You have never heard of Neal "Fair Tax" Boortz? You don't know what you are missing. Go to his web site and read his comencment address and you will see why he never gets invited to give one.

I think the most damning thing about the story, for me, is that the guy was unwilling to write it under his real name. The only purpose there, that I can find, is to shield himself from the inevitable criticism.

Why? If he believes in the story, he should stand by it.

re: #46 JammieWearingFool

Rocket launcher found in Jersey City
Planted by Republicans to whip up fear over the John Doe legislation.

Interesting, I think Cherry Hill and Pennsauken are the current epicenter of the Jersey Jihad. Speaking of the John Doe letdown, got a new "Blinking" Nancy Pelosi.

What? No babies on pitchforks?

The New Republic is off its game.

The biggest thing that stinks to me about the Bradley dog grinder story (as a civilian) is that the guy would be exposing his buddies to increased risk from IEDs.

We might as well link to Kerry's "Winter Soldier" testimony.

Anyone got that link handy?

re: #156 Cognito

most of the anti-war lies that i've seen end up withering away. these war 'horror stories' rarely amount to anything.

re: #175 tfc3rid

Good thing Jihadis are STUPID:

Federal investigators are examining what appears to be a military rocket launcher found Friday morning on the front lawn of a Jersey City home that sits directly in the flight path of busy Newark Liberty International Airport, CBS2 News reported.

re: #178 Just_A_Grunt
Wasn't he the guy that wanted to label the homeless as "urban outdoorsmen?"

Truth is established by at LEAST two witnesses..not one jerk, sitting in his loft in Boston getting his jollies by writing ever more gruesome tales about OUR boys who are risking their lives daily for our safety.
Cowards on two fronts: TNR and their fake-named source.

NO - I'm sorry y'all but I can't sit by and watch our troops be slandered like this the way we were slandered about our activities in Vietnam.
Unless New Republic comes up with this "soldier's" name, rank, service number, and unit currently attached to, I call absolute BULLSHIT on this story.
No name or other information I've requested then as far as I'm concerned it's nothing but a lie. And New Republic should be ashamed of itself, especially if they can't come up with the name, etc. I've asked for and damned if they have it and won't provide it.
John Kerry, under oath, in front of the US Senate told them lies about our behavior in Vietnam - I was there and never witnessed anything like what he was talking about on the scale he was professing to be true.
The Senate subcommittee gave Kerry a pass because of his medals - never pressed him for any serious details nor asked him why, as an officer, he violated his sworn duty to report these atrocities when he saw/became aware of them.
This is just another Kerry tall tale. And New Republic published it simply to hurt our troops.
Shame on them.

re: #180 EC Marm

re: #46 JammieWearingFool

Rocket launcher found in Jersey City
Planted by Republicans to whip up fear over the John Doe legislation.

Interesting, I think Cherry Hill and Pennsauken are the current
epicenter of the Jersey Jihad. Speaking of the John Doe letdown, got a
new "Blinking" Nancy Pelosi.

Most disturbing...

re: #71 galloping granny

I have to tell you, I was an Army wife for a good long time. Never, anywhere, have I seen women treated with as much respect - no matter their age or appearance - than on a military base. Any military base. BTW, the same applies to dogs.

I hope you're not equating the two.

/Just kidding... Ow!

re: #183 bosforus

re: #156 Cognito

most of the anti-war lies that i've seen end up withering away. these war 'horror stories' rarely amount to anything.

The problem will come, as Just A Grunt noted, if the anti-war factions in Congress hold up this story as evidence of their suspicions. Merely holding it aloft on the congressional floor, for many people, will give it a patina of authenticity.

Although, after the breadth and depth of skepticism about this story, even Ted Kennedy might think twice before embracing it...

re: #85 Throbert McGee
Hey, good to see you again! Can we assume that you'll make them aware of the blowback on this story?

This could get interesting:

NBA IN A 'FIX'

July 20, 2007 -- THE FBI is investigating an NBA referee who allegedly was betting on basketball games - including ones he was officiating during the past two seasons - as part of an organized-crime probe in the Big Apple, The Post has learned.

The investigation, which began more than a year ago, is zeroing in on blockbuster allegations that the referee was making calls that affected the point spread to guarantee that he -- and the hoods who had their hooks in him -- cashed in on large bets.

A law enforcement official told the AP on the condition of anonymity that the referee was aware of the investigation and was planning to surrender next week.

The official said the bets involved thousands of dollars and were made on games during the 2005-2006 and the 2006-2007 seasons.

The NBA issued a brief statement: "We have been asked by the FBI, with whom we are working closely, not to comment on this matter at this time."

Federal agents are set to arrest the referee and a cadre of mobsters and their associates who lined their pockets, sources said.

"These are dangerous people [the referee] was involved with," a source said.

One source close to the probe counted the number of games on which the ref and his wiseguy buddies scored windfalls in the "double digits."

NBA Commissioner David Stern is aware of the investigation and has a report about the referee on his desk, another source said.

The official, whose name was withheld, allegedly wagered on games during the 2005-06 and 2006-07 NBA seasons.

James Margolin, an FBI spokesman, declined comment on the latest black eye for professional sports.

The sources indicated the referee apparently had a gambling problem, slipped into debt and fell prey to mob thugs.

"That's how he got himself into this predicament" by wagering with mob-connected bookies, one source said.

re: #185 EC Marm

That's him

re: #191 realwest

re: #85 Throbert McGee
Hey, good to see you again! Can we assume that you'll make them aware of the blowback on this story?

Ha. They know. Their biggest competitor -- the Weekly Standard -- is leading the charge.

re: #190 Cognito

If it's read into the congressional record, it must be true... Right?

76 Dianna 7/20/2007 9:36:09 am PDT reply quote

Do you think they'll claim it's satire, and we're all too thick to get it?

In my case, that might be true, but not most of the rest of you.

They might well claim it's satire AFTER enough people raise a stink about it.

That's just the way the left floats ideas it knows won't be popular, but that it holds to be 'truth'.

It's just a variation on 'The Big Lie'...float it often enough and an increasing number of people will believe it, but if it makes the left look 'unhinged'...it's just satire...they didn't really mean it...calm down...you're exagerating.

re: #195 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #190 Cognito

If it's read into the congressional record, it must be true... Right?

Right.

re: #190 Cognito

Although, after the breadth and depth of skepticism about this story, even Ted Kennedy might think twice before embracing it...

That will likely depend on how much Scotch has gone under the bridge...

re: #190 Cognito

Although, after the breadth and depth of skepticism about this story, even Ted Kennedy might think twice before embracing it..

Can't say the same for Durbin or Murtha.

re: #192 NJDhockeyfan

Joey Crawford?

OT - Malaysia bans mainstream media from reporting on Islamic state debate

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia: Malaysia's government has banned the mainstream media from reporting on the highly sensitive issue of whether the country is an Islamic state, an official said Friday.

Deputy Prime Minister Najib Razak sparked a storm last week when he declared that mostly Muslim Malaysia was not secular but an Islamic state that protects the religious rights of minority groups.

Government leaders, opposition parties, lawyers and activists condemned Najib's comment, saying Malaysia was set up as a secular state by the country's first leaders after independence from Britain in 1957.

The Internal Security Ministry issued a directive to all mainstream media to stop reporting on the issue, said a ministry official, who asked not to be named because of the sensitive nature of the issue.

"We want to stop this issue being aggravated into becoming a public debate as this will create tension," he told The Associated Press. "This is a very sensitive issue... As far as possible, we want to prevent (any racial) tension."

The official said the media are allowed to publish comments by Najib and Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi but statements from anyone else should be disregarded.

"This debate will be never ending," he said, adding the ban was "for the sake of peace and harmony."

Any media outlet that violated the ban could be suspended, he warned.

re: #198 cookielady

Ahh. Ted Kennedy and bridges. It's almost too easy...

#178 Just_A_Grunt
done

re: #85 Throbert McGee

Oh, ARRGH.

I've been working at The New Republic since May -- on the business/ad side, I wish to stress, not in the editorial department. Nonetheless, I have to sit in on the weekly editorial meetings, and there was not a word uttered about this during yesterday's meeting, so I guess they weren't aware of the growing blowback yet.

Hey! Well now... you will keep us updated, won't you?

;^)

How much you want to be that this gets defended as another case of "fake but accurate".

After all even if this particular report turns out to be false, everybody knows that soldiers are viscious killers and would act like this if given the chance.

At least that's how our moral superious in the MSM view things.

Cognito...

Question for you.. Off topic a bit...

What's your take on the 'death' of the John Doe legislation?

The God damn left in this country is so eager to defame the military they are willing to sell what little credibility they have to do it.

It just shows how out of touch they are with the military that this passes the smell test for them. Even if you allow that there are bad apples in every bunch, the idea that this is acceptable to a small number of troops is so far fetched as to be rediculous. And that's a key factor in these stories smear jobs...lots of soldiers saw and participated in each of them (all the better to tar the largest number of soldiers possible).

I admit I have never served and don't know a ton of military people but is it even remotely possible that no leaders stepped in let lone peers? The ones I have known (senior NCO and officer types) would have put their boot so far up this guys ass if they had seen any of this their foot would be sticking out of his mouth. One jackass? Sure, maybe. Dozens as this guy implies...nope, not in our military.

I really miss sedition laws.

This is wildly OT, I know, but I thought some here might enjoy reading a comment John Podhoretz made on NR's The Corner today.

What Has Gone Wrong With This Country?

A Louisiana politician consorts with a hooker and we're all supposed to be outraged and call for his resignation? I am sorry, but this just goes too far. We're talking about Louisiana, for God's sake. A governor of Lousiana basically lived with a stripper in the governor's mansion a few decades ago! We're conservatives here. What about tradition?!?

re: #206 tfc3rid

Cognito...

Question for you.. Off topic a bit...

What's your take on the 'death' of the John Doe legislation?

lol..troublemaker lolol

Is Kerry an editor there?

re: #188 JammieWearingFool

Jersey City Police removed the launcher, and the incident is now being investigated by the Joint Terrorism Task Force and The Federal Bureau of Investigation.

can I sue the Joint Terrorism Task Force for wasting my tax money on investigating this case based solely on the suspicion of terrorism? i mean, come on, that rocket launcher could belong to my native american 80 year old neighbor

re: #202 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #198 cookielady

Ahh. Ted Kennedy and bridges. It's almost too easy...

Jeez, drown one secretary, and they haunt you for the rest of your life.

re: #206 tfc3rid

Cognito...

Question for you.. Off topic a bit...

What's your take on the 'death' of the John Doe legislation?

Hey, tfc3rid, somebody asked me that earlier. I said:

I'm still sorting through the details of it, but it seems to me that this opens up the possibility for CAIR and its counterparts to bully citizens into silence. Speak up at the airport? -- whammo. You risk lifelong poverty.

On the other hand, we already have laws addressing libel and slander. They'll probably suffice to keep CAIR, etc at bay. If you alert authorities to suspicious behavior and you're not maliciously trying to assassinate someone's character, you're standing on legal bedrock.

Just curious -- why do you ask?

re: #205 MarkTheGreat

How much you want to be that this gets defended as another case of "fake but accurate".

I think you just nailed it.

re: #213 Cognito

If you alert authorities to suspicious behavior and you're not maliciously trying to assassinate someone's character, you're standing on legal bedrock.

True, but it won't stop CAIR from threatening legal harrassment of people who do alert authorities.

re: #213 Cognito

Just wanted to see what your take on it was... I for one, am always curious and interested in what your take is... No other reason.

Big Lie is a propaganda technique, defined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf as a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously"

re: #147 Ben Hur

Reminding me distinctly of the Irish guys at the bars in San Francisco in the 80's, who would imply all sorts of activities and connections in order to get laid by the little American college girls.

It's nice to know that human nature is the same all over.

Did you all here that Darth Vader...Um Dick Cheney will be acting Pres tomorrow while GW undergoes a colonoscopy? I can’t wait for the moonbats reaction.

re: #181 Cicero05

What? No babies on pitchforks?

The New Republic is off its game.

Isn't it interesting we hear about this from the msm, but not a peep about Baquba where we do have some facts.

re: #196 eschew_obfuscation

That's kind of what I thought.

Hitler On The Big Lie

What's the difference between a fairy tale and a military exaggeration of fact?

The Fairy tale starts "Once upon a time..." and the military starts with "This is no BS..."

Com'n Ed tell'em what SOS really stands for! It's disgusting and thank God the new mess halls (now known as DFACs) offer a lot more choices.

Is it OK to for us to call all fairy tales kerrytales or should that be saved for these over-the-top war stories?

re: #199 Just_A_Grunt
Indeed, John Fucking Murtha will read this into the Congressional Record first chance he gets.
Can't expect anything better from an Ex-Marine.

re: #212 nyexpat

To paraphrase some old Dennis Miller:

"If teddy is such a ladies man, then why does it take him 9 hours to open a woman's door?"

and

"The Kennedy's might as well just name their next child 'Alleged'"

re: #219 RJ_in_Reno

That attack on Iran will begin 15 minutes into the Cheney Presidency...

/moonbat mode off...

Eh, no big deal...

Reviving Hitler's ‘Big Lie' To Vilify the Jewish State
Daniel Pipes

Where have we heard stories like this before? How about from a young Navy veteran testifying before Congress in 1971 where he stated that American soldiers:

...personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam.

We all know who that veteran is.

re: #161 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I got the mumps at the age of 28. I was vaccinated in 3rd grade, like everyone else; so that immunity can wear off.

It was embarassing.

Turnspeak

re: #217 BabbaZee

Why, Babba! You sound like you're criticizing here! You are talking about the foundational principal of the Moonbat Media™.

re: #226 tfc3rid

We can only hope...

And now a word from the KGB

re: #225 YourTaxDollarsAtWork
Gotta love Dennis...
Those are excellent...Most acurate too!

re: #231 RedPepper

I am the Big Lie's sworn enemy.

Sad to see, they were one of the few respectable liberal news outlets left.

Well, there is this video of US Troops taunting some Iraqi kids:

Got Water?

Soviet Espionage Effort Within the 70's Anti-War Movement

May 14, 1982
"Moscow and the Peace, Offensive"

re: #237 MrC_5150Damn! Iwanted the little Olympiad to get it!

Kerry’s Soviet Rhetoric
The Vietnam-era antiwar movement got its spin from the Kremlin.

By Ion Mihai Pacepa

...same shit, different day

re: #235 BabbaZee

Sigh. You just won't behave, will you ...

Here Babba. This one's for you.

“Let them call me rebel, and welcome; I feel no concern from it. For I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul.” -- Thomas Paine

re: #213 Cognito

re: #206 tfc3rid

Cognito...

Question for you.. Off topic a bit...

What's your take on the 'death' of the John Doe legislation?

Hey, tfc3rid, somebody asked me that earlier. I said:

I'm still sorting through the details of it, but it seems to me that this opens up the possibility for CAIR and its counterparts to bully citizens into silence. Speak up at the airport? -- whammo. You risk lifelong poverty.On the other hand, we already have laws addressing libel and slander. They'll probably suffice to keep CAIR, etc at bay. If you alert authorities to suspicious behavior and you're not maliciously trying to assassinate someone's character, you're standing on legal bedrock.

Just curious -- why do you ask?

I see just one little thing wrong with that Cognito. It costs big bucks to defend yourself against a libel or slander suit. Most people don't have the skills to defend themselves and lawyers don't work for free.

I can tell you right now that if we did not have a Good Samaritan law on the books absolving medical people (and others) from any harm due to trying to render assistance at an accident scene our roads would be littered with dead. Nobody would risk their medical license.

And nobody is going to risk their house either. People just won't fly -

The Arafat I Knew
He hasn't changed since his days as a KGB-backed terrorist.
by ION MIHAI PACEPA

The point of all this stuff I am posting is tha this shit does not happen organically, even if useful idiots are the apparent perps. Actually it is optimal if they are idiots as far as the pamphlet makers are concerned.

In the case of Kerry believe me he was and is fully conscious of what he did and continues to do.

re: #242 RedPepper

AMEN!

OT:

To crosspost what I just said in the discussion about the removal of the John Doe protection amendment:

Well, Limbaugh's substitute teacher today has stated that there's still time to save the John Doe provision. The House and Senate must now get together, since one group's version of the bill still has the provision, and they must hash out a bill both sides can vote for.

If we bombard them with calls, faxes, emails, and visits telling them that this John Doe protection matter MUST stay in the bill, it might have a positive effect on this matter.

‘Operation Ithaca’ Surprises, Pummels, al Qaeda Forces

Find that in the MSM..

Hat tip: YozhikVTumane

re: #237 MrC_5150 Yup, that sure was an atrocity, wasn't it? Surprised the vehicle didn't back up and run the kid over.
What was your point (assuming you had one) in posting that?

re: #247 NY Nana Thanks for posting that.

re: #243 galloping granny

And nobody is going to risk their house either. People just won't fly -

Let's hope not -- that's the best way to get something done in a free market. Vote with your wallet.

Unless there's a big example held up -- maybe the flying Imams, but likely something even more blatant -- people won't even be aware. They'll just keep flying as usual.

re: #237 MrC_5150

Well, there is this video of US Troops taunting some Iraqi kids:

Got Water?

Well. That's pretty depressing. Really disgusting. I'm ashamed of those soldiers.

re: #161 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Well, with Baby #4 due on Halloween, if my wife became infertile, assuming the rest of the equipment still worked, I could probably handle it.

For that matter, if I catch the mumps now (how long does the vaccine last?) it wouldn't be a tragedy. Unless I developed complications and went blind, or deaf, or died.

Then I guess catching the mumps would be a tragedy.

If you were born before 1957 you are considered immune by CDC.
The other criteria are as follows:
# They have documentation of receipt of 1 dose of live mumps vaccine on or after 12 months of age; or
# They have documentation of physician-diagnosed mumps disease; or
# They have documentation of laboratory testing which indicates immunity
Also
about 1 out of every 4 teenage or adult males with mumps will have a painful swelling of the testicles for several days. This usually does not make a person sterile and unable to father children
Do not consider mumping to be a birth control method. :)

Ed M
I am CRUSHED about the limits on your font/color. I loved those updates.
Also, I received the shot in the left testicle with the square needle at boot. How'd you get out of it?

/

re: #204 Spiny Norman

Hey! Well now... you will keep us updated, won't you?

;^)

hi my name is RUGBY and i used to be a rat but now i am a GHOST of a dead rat (but plz dont worry i will not kill you like that drippy hair girl from "The Rinbg"! not all ghosts ar e evil)

here is a picture to prive that i am an actual rat?!

anyway throbert and i used to be roommates & although he is a homo he cooked very good food and was very knid to rats. SO! out of my extreem niceness, i have retruned from byond the grave to give Throbret my LFG log-in pswd so he wont get in trouble w/ the job. now i am going back to rat heaven to have SEX with lady rats (b/c i am not a homo).

kthxbye!

RUBGY

ps. plz dont write homo stuff about wieners under my name?!?
pps. charls i curse you for taking awya my red monospacE! it was prettier

Oh yeah...
Good afternoon Lizards!
'specially you Babba. Still love ya. Smoooch.

Major, massive, BS. Saw the comments of soldiers in the know.

Maybe the dog part of the stories are about MVick.

Seriously, if true this would indicate not only a total breakdown in moral fabric of a group of young enlisted men, but also the break down of the chain of command. No sgt or Lt. would allow the antics these tails speak of.

Wearing a part of a skull on top of your head under a helmet, come on.

re: #251 Cognito But it's a looong way from that to actual atrocities; as I asked above, I wonder why MrC_5150 posted that, especially on this thread.

re: #14 cbinflux

Note: Two articles posted yesterday pointed out that journalists can and do tell truths as they see them,; their under no obligation to tell THE truth.

I really find it disgusting that they claim to be "unbiased" in their reporting and to only report the truth when they also state that it is their "obligation as human beings" do do anything they can to get us out of any war and get Bush out of office.

They talk about all the lies the Bush administration has used to to get us into the war, and refuse to report on the evidense that most of those "lies" have been proven to be true. Of course they are obligated to lie in order to further their political agenda. Where are the morals they claim to have? Who is teaching them to be good honest reporters? Those unbiased teachers who are hired to teach how to lie and cheat in order to further their agenda.

When you ask teachers why they work for such low pay, the always say they enjoy molding the future generations... They should be teaching not molding, but you may notice the majority of university teachers lean far to the left. They are willing to sacrifice their present for a future of their making. Sounds a lot like the radical islamists, they are just willing to go a little further. However, if they don't see things going their way, they will take more and more lessons from radical inslam to further their agenda at any cost.

I was subjected to radical left wing teachers when I was at university, but I learned to agree with them untill the class was over so I could pass the course and forget 90% after that. There are good teachers, but a majority were pushing their political agenda. It made me sick that I was paying good money for someone to try to brainwash me and not to educate me. This was 20 years ago, and it's worse today.

They should not be allowed to put our children through this crap

re: #258 realwest

re: #251 Cognito But it's a looong way from that to actual atrocities; as I asked above, I wonder why MrC_5150 posted that, especially on this thread.

I assume he posted it because of the thread subject -- the veracity of stories about cruelty by soldiers.

Like I said, I'm ashamed of the guys in that video. But I don't think they're representative. When you deploy enough men, you're bound to find a few bad ones in there somewhere.

re: #255 MrMom

MWAH

Gotta go!

be well Lizardim

Check out the various milblogs that have already been mentioned, they're shredding this story.

As a former NCO and combat veteran the whole thing doesn't past the smell test. These things couldn't happen without an NCO or an officer seeing it and it would have been stomped on, immediately.

re: #191 realwest

re: #85 Throbert McGee
Hey, good to see you again! Can we assume that you'll make them aware of the blowback on this story?

Ha. They know. Their biggest competitor -- the Weekly Standard -- is leading the charge.

Now that I'm cleverly disguised as a ghostly rodent, I can say that there is some irony on the business side, because TNR has been trying to develop some co-branded stuff with The Weekly Standard (the idea being to sell a 2-for-1 "balanced package" deal to advertisers who otherwise might not run ads in either publication because they wish to remain politically neutral).

Also, there's a staff party tonight -- I wonder if this will be a topic of conversation.

I just watched Shattered Glass a few days ago -- looking for pro-TNR dialogue to use in a multimedia presentation! (There's actually a good line where Chloe Sevigny says "You write for The New FUCKING Republic!") Anyway, after watching the movie, I went and looked up some of the Stephen Glass pieces in the hardbound back issues from 1998 -- one of them described a "right-wing strategist" who was trying to start a rumor that Bill Clinton was a FTM lesbian transsexual...

re: #115 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I've never been in a Army chow hall or mess tent or whatever they call them.

But my Dad, now deceased, told me stories about "SOS" from his days in the Army Air Force in WW2, and well, I have tried two different varieties of that back when I worked for Presidetn Reagan, one with creamed beef, another with beef in a thin tomato based sauce, and while I prefered the creamed beef, I didn't think either style was bad.

We call them Mess Halls...:)

Dustyvet
United Sates Army Veteran
Vietnam 1967-68
Desert Shield/Desert Storm 1991

ARMY CREAMED CHIPPED BEEF...:p IN THE WORDS OF BILL THE CAT ACKFTT! SOS!:p
C-RATION HAM AND EGGS CHOPPED, ONLY FOOD I HAVE EVER SEEN THAT'S OD GREEN WHEN YOU OPEN THE CAN...:p

re: #257 MKelly

Maybe the dog part of the stories are about MVick.

Seriously, if true this would indicate not only a total breakdown in moral fabric of a group of young enlisted men, but also the break down of the chain of command. No sgt or Lt. would allow the antics these tails speak of.

Wearing a part of a skull on top of your head under a helmet, come on.

A couple soldiers who had been at that very "chow hall" had never seen such a woman. Plus it was stated that there was almost always an officer in earshot due to it's size. Not to mention, would you as a soldier make fun of someone who might be an officer?

Here's the link.
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

CY weighs in on this situation and asks some pointed questions of TNR. I doubt that they'll have satisfactory answers. Linky.

Hey, Lawhawk only mentioned Lynn Stewart in the Santa Claus Sheikh trial:

Defendants: Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, El Sayyid Nosair, Ibrahim El-Gabrowny, Victor Alvarez, Amir Abdelgani, Fadil Abdelghani, Tarig Elhassan, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, Rodney Hampton-El, Fares Khallafalla, and Mohammed Saleh
Crimes Charged: All defendants: Seditious conspiracy; Nosair: Murder and assault; individual charges included solicitation and conspiracy to commit assassination or bombings, violations of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, and weapons charges
Chief Defense Lawyers: Lynne F. Stewart, John Jacobs, Ramsey Clark, and Anthony Ricco

I guess one should expect Clark to be defending the people that assassinated Jews and tried to blow up the WTC.

#248 realwest

He posted it to try and get us to believe that American soldiers commit atrocities on a regular basis, so we should just shut up and listen to the New Republic, and believe whatever it tells us.

Ignore him/it.

#254 Rugyby the Rat

{Rugby!}

Incidentally, I just want to underscore that I have no involvement with editorial decisions whatsoever -- although right now, for my employer's sake, I sure wish I'd seen this "Baghdad Diarist" piece before they ran it. (I've never served, but as a grown-up military brat, I sure would've been skeptical of the story.)