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Breaking: Missile Launcher Discovered in New Jersey

Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 10:20:47 am PDT

A missile launcher has turned up in the front lawn of a house in New Jersey, along the flight path to Newark Liberty International Airport: Feds Seize Rocket Launcher In NJ.

From the description it sounds like a shoulder-launched SAM.

(CBS) JERSEY CITY A Jersey City woman made a shocking discovery on her lawn this morning when she noticed a military rocket launcher lying in the grass.

Niranjana Besai was leaving her house, located at 88 Nelson Street, to go to work just after 8 this morning when she spotted the launcher on her front lawn. “I read it and it [said] ‘missile,’” Besai told CBS 2 HD. “There was little ‘missile’ [writing] on it.” She immediately called police.

Sources tell CBS 2 HD that the device is the type used to shoot shoulder-fired rockets and is capable of taking down an aircraft. What’s more troubling, sources add, is that Besai’s house is located along flight path for Newark Liberty International Airport.

Besai’s neighbor, Joe Quinn, saw her pointing at the equipment from her front porch. When he walked over to see what the fuss was about, he was just as shocked to see the six-foot-long weapon. “She’s pointing that there’s something in the front,” he told CBS 2 HD. “I said, ‘Let me come down and take a look,’ and I saw a little soldier on it and I said, ‘Whoa, that’s a missile launcher or something!’”

Quinn says he originally thought the launcher was just a pipe, but after noticing the picture of the soldier, he realized it looked similar to a missile launcher he’d seen on television.

Jersey City Police removed the launcher, and the incident is now being investigated by the Joint Terrorism Task Force and the FBI.

Sources say Besai is not involved in the investigation as a suspect.

UPDATE at 7/20/07 11:59:46 am:

Zombie tracked down this possible candidate for the type of launcher: M136 AT4 Anti-armor Weapon. Notice the “little soldier” diagram as described by the witness above.

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1 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:22:04am

How bizarre. I wonder why the bad guy left his rocket launcher lying in the grass.

2 sandspur  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:22:06am

Well, for goodness sake, don't tell anyone about it! CAIR might sue!

3 Maximu§  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:22:21am

I'm sure this Rocket-Launcher was left there by Kindergarten kids after playtime last night...we sure wouldn't want to assume "Muslims" are involved would we?

I have a hint for the FBI agents, narrow your search on guys named "Mohammed" or "Abdul" from the local NJ Mosque's and I'm sure you'll turn up something.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

4 Live4Truth  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:24:56am

Yeah, you gotta wonder about why it was put there by someone. I'd presume that whoever put it there, wanted it to be found.

5 RJ_in_Reno  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:24:57am

Used LAWs rocket launcher I bet. Basically a fiberglass tube usefull for not much. I think you can get them on line and at some gun shows.

6 Fast Eddie  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:25:03am

Remember the "24-hour rule". I might be just a pipe that local kids fixed up to play with.

It's amazing what some people will call "cannons" or "machine guns", etc.

7 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:25:13am

Anyone missing a missile launcher?

8 Wishing  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:25:34am

..althought these idiots are dummer than dirt, i have a hunch this was placed there purposefully.
My fear is that a plane will be taken down...most likely in Israel. Heck they already jame air traffic!

9 FQ Kafir  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:25:43am

Hold on tight, folks.

We're in for a "hot" summer.

10 allah this  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:26:05am

Diverse people engaged in activities?

11 FQ Kafir  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:26:39am

But don't report it! You might get sued by the local mosque!

12 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:26:52am
13 pat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:27:12am

Was it used? Why won't they tell me?

14 Ferris  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:27:36am

Has the FBI officially announced it isn't terrorist related yet? No, I wonder what's taking them so long.

15 Dar ul Harb  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:27:38am

Could be a test of emergency response as well.

Or some dumb moonbat "protest."

16 pat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:27:44am

Or was it a RPG tube?

17 Wishing  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:27:59am

i am wondering if they will toss Besai in the slammer for DARING to SUGGEST that something that said MISSILE on it warranted a call to local authorities

18 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:28:07am

Niranjana Besai was leaving her house, located at 88 Nelson Street, to go to work just after 8 this morning when she spotted the launcher on her front lawn...Sources say Besai is not involved in the investigation as a suspect.

Besai is linguistically semitic. It seems pretty clear the lady was uninvolved, as she alerted authorities, but it does make me wonder about the makeup of the neighborhood.

On the other hand, the one other neighbor in the story is 'Joe Quinn,' so maybe it's just a coincidence.

19 allah this  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:28:28am

re: #12 Iron Fist

re: #10 allah this,

Just don't call them Muslims.

OK, but can I question their patriotism?

20 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:28:33am

Probably left over from the 4th of July.

21 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:28:46am

A hungover jihadi awakes.

Where'd I leave that thing?

22 easy  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:28:48am

What kind of a weapon has a "picture of a soldier" on it? Instructions?

23 Fast Eddie  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:29:02am

There are also several tube-type paintball and nerf ball "launchers" for sale on eBay.

24 mythicknight  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:29:15am

Oh, so thats where I must have dropped it...

...kidding, kidding. I wonder if she'll be sued.

Pandora's box, delicious, etc.

25 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:29:20am

Be alert for people doing things...

26 ratherdashing  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:29:29am

re: #5 RJ_in_Reno

Used LAWs rocket launcher I bet. Basically a fiberglass tube usefull for not much. I think you can get them on line and at some gun shows.

LAW rocket launchers aren't six feet long. See the video.

27 GregInSeattle  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:29:32am

Damn Presbyterians!

28 WildcatFan  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:29:40am

It may have miss fired and they dropped it and ran. To soon to tell. Who knows they may have fired it and missed.

29 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:29:40am
30 FQ Kafir  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:30:04am

Don't forget, stories like this foment Islamophobia!

31 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:30:06am

re: #18 Cognito

Niranjana Besai was leaving her house, located at 88 Nelson Street, to go to work just after 8 this morning when she spotted the launcher on her front lawn...Sources say Besai is not involved in the investigation as a suspect.

Besai is linguistically semitic. It seems pretty clear the lady was uninvolved, as she alerted authorities, but it does make me wonder about the makeup of the neighborhood.

On the other hand, the one other neighbor in the story is 'Joe Quinn,' so maybe it's just a coincidence.

I think Jersey City has a fairly large population of Ropers.

32 scottthecanuck  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:30:09am

Start rounding up the Buddhists.

33 Spider Mensch  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:30:41am

well the Journal square area of Jersey City is like walking thru damascus, syria. it and the Paterson area here in north NJ are notorious centers for islam.

/just saying

34 zombie  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:30:54am

OT

On a related note (which I sent to Charles yesterday, but which he didn't post, so I'll make a comment about it here):

Just found out about a really interesting case that as far as I can tell hasn't been covered anywhere except at this site:

KSTP: Terror note found an Minneapolis Airport.

Remember the Somali cab drivers at the Minneapolis Airport and their insistence on sharia law? Well, this is an eye-opener: during an investigation into a shooting, one of the Somali cabs was discovered to have jihadi literature inside, "a handwritten note describing acts of terrorism and bombings."

Note also the video on the right side of the page linked above -- it's a pretty good report, with info not in the article, and the video plays well. In the video, they give the name of three of the men involved in the case (none of which are named in the print article):

Mohamed S. Abdulkadir
Mohamed S. Afyare
Fahad H. Hashi

I can find basically nothing online about this case except this one article.

As for the notes being called a "joke" in the headline: as seen in the video, that was just a nervous Somali taxi driver mumbling that as a way of getting out of being put on the spot by the reporter. There's no official statement that it was a "joke".

Were terror notes a joke?

A search warrant filed in Hennepin County connects a shooting investigation to a possible terror plot.

According to court documents, four Somali teenage males were riding in a cab on June 24 the same night a man was shot in the chest around 9:00 p.m.

Video surveillance at the Glendale Housing Projects captured the cab fleeing near the scene of the shooting.

Police were able to identify the taxicab and located the vehicle at the Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport four days later.

Inside the cab, police found a handwritten note describing acts of terrorism and bombings.

Police questioned an 18-year-old relative of the cab owner who confessed to being the driver of cab on June 24.

Minneapolis Police turned the terrorism note over to federal authorities and said they will "Further aid in their investigation of possible acts of terrorism against Unites States."

Taxi drivers at the airport on Wednesday told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that they thought it was all a joke.

35 allah this  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:30:55am
Niranjana Besai was leaving her house, located at 88 Nelson Street, to go to work just after 8 this morning when she spotted the launcher on her front lawn. “I read it and it [said] ‘missile,’” Besai told CBS 2 HD. “There was little ‘missile’ [writing] on it.” She immediately called police.

Neocon! Islamophobe!

/Dems

36 Catttt  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:30:58am

I'm shocked.

Most people in NJ know better than to leave their rocket launchers out on the lawn.

37 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:31:13am

re: #31 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #18 Cognito

Niranjana Besai
was leaving her house, located at 88 Nelson Street, to go to work just
after 8 this morning when she spotted the launcher on her front
lawn...Sources say Besai is not involved in the investigation as a suspect.

Besai
is linguistically semitic. It seems pretty clear the lady was
uninvolved, as she alerted authorities, but it does make me wonder
about the makeup of the neighborhood.

On the other hand, the one other neighbor in the story is 'Joe Quinn,' so maybe it's just a coincidence.

I think Jersey City has a fairly large population of Ropers.

It does. It was Sheik Rahman's home turf.

38 Cartman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:31:32am

What's the deal with the "soldier" imprinted on the so-called launcher? Doesn't sound legit, to me.

39 XMarine  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:32:26am

This may easily be just another "Flying Imams" incident, which was intended to provoke, and then deaden our vigilance. Of course CAIR may even launch a lawsuit against Ms. Besai if any link to Jihadist groups is found ...

40 pat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:32:28am

re: #22 easy

What kind of a weapon has a "picture of a soldier" on it? Instructions?

Rocket launchers do. I just would like to know the language.

41 Maximu§  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:32:30am

re: #36 Cattt

I'm shocked.

Most people in NJ know better than to leave their rocket launchers out on the lawn.

HAHAHAHAHA...yes, that is rude to leave heavy weapons on the lawn.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

42 rulewriter  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:32:31am

It's probably one of those Airsoft Stingers the kids are all into today. It's so cute when little Abdul goes out in the back yard with it and pretends to shoot down Zionist airplanes. I'm sure it has a Farfur sticker on it somewhere.

43 So?  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:32:53am

Well I guess code blue, yellow, orange and green aren't causing the panic
intended, so why not leave a surface-to-air rocket launcher on the lawn of a suburban home.

Al-Queda had landed... run for your lives.

How dumb do the powers that be think we are?

/someone is pissed Coney Island is closing?

44 Wm T Sherman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:33:04am

OT

Fake-looking video of soldier confessing to atrocities:

Anyone have information on this? People are making a big deal out of it in some quarters.

45 scottthecanuck  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:33:08am

re: #36 Cattt

One more sign that they really did off Tony in the last episode of the Soprano's, something like this would not have happened on his watch.

46 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:33:25am

#34 Zombie

Are we seeing the beginning of the Cabbie Intifada?

47 Spiny Norman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:34:26am

re: #44 Wm T Sherman

OT

Fake-looking video of soldier confessing to atrocities:

[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

Anyone have information on this? People are making a big deal out of it in some quarters.

The Return of Jessie McBeth?

48 Aladin Sane  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:34:44am

re: #38 Cartman

What's the deal with the "soldier" imprinted on the so-called launcher? Doesn't sound legit, to me.

Picto-gram (Picto-graph) operator instructions to make easier to use, mebbe?

49 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:34:56am

re: #38 Cartman

What's the deal with the "soldier" imprinted on the so-called launcher? Doesn't sound legit, to me.

I was trained on Stingers (briefly), but damned if I can remember whether there's a "soldier" icon on the launcher. I wouldn't be surprised, after all, Claymore mines famously have "Front Towards Enemy" printed on them!

50 So?  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:35:02am

re: #35 allah this

Love your nic! lol

51 pat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:35:19am

zombie

"Taxi drivers at the airport on Wednesday told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that they thought it was all%uFFFDa joke."

Not understanding Muslim humor is Islamophobic.

52 Ezekiel2517  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:35:32am

OT- Got a response back in email from JetBlue:

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We certainly hope that the sweeping generalizations connecting JetBlue to a political stand will be recognized as exaggeration and with no basis in fact.

Dave Barger

CEO, JetBlue Airways

53 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:35:35am

In all seriousness, if it's really a rocket launcher then this is potentially a big break. Those things don't just get stamped out down at the Mattel factory.

55 scottthecanuck  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:36:01am

re: #47 Spiny Norman

I would bet one way or the other it is phony, either the guy was never in the military or if he was he is BS'ing for the camera.

56 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:36:05am

This has all the underpinnings of a CAIR set up.

Plant a useless 'weapon' on someone who may or may-not be a muslim, and wait for all the anti-islamic-backlash to start. Then they sue some one.

57 so.cal.swede  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:36:07am

I'm treating this story with a huge pile, nay, mountain of salt.

58 RJ_in_Reno  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:36:44am

Six feet long is it. Ok I revise my guess to a large spud gun.

59 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:36:48am

re: #5 RJ_in_Reno

Used LAWs rocket launcher I bet. Basically a fiberglass tube usefull for not much. I think you can get them on line and at some gun shows.

i had one when i was a kid my dad got it from someone for me if fired its simply not reusable however i can see some "extremists" trying to use it with a homemade missile

60 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:37:07am

re: #56 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

This has all the underpinnings of a CAIR set up.

Plant a useless 'weapon' on someone who may or may-not be a muslim, and wait for all the anti-islamic-backlash to start. Then they sue some one.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

61 so.cal.swede  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:37:29am
Quinn says he originally thought the launcher was just a pipe, but after noticing the picture of the soldier, he realized it looked similar to a missile launcher he’d seen on television.

I highlighted the red flags in this story.

62 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:37:29am

re: #52 Ezekiel2517

Wow -- the CEO. He must take it seriously.

63 Van  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:38:01am

re: #51 pat

zombie

"Taxi drivers at the airport on Wednesday told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that they thought it was all©a joke."

Not understanding Muslim humor is Islamophobic.

They're also going to sue the person who handed the note in ;P

64 Colonel Panik  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:38:42am

re: #18 Cognito

Niranjana Besai was leaving her house, located at 88 Nelson Street, to go to work just after 8 this morning when she spotted the launcher on her front lawn...Sources say Besai is not involved in the investigation as a suspect.

Besai is linguistically semitic. It seems pretty clear the lady was uninvolved, as she alerted authorities, but it does make me wonder about the makeup of the neighborhood.

blockquote>

Judging from her appearance and accent my guess is she is Indian. Could be a ROPER but more likely Hindu.

65 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:38:47am

re: #56 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

This has all the underpinnings of a CAIR set up.

Plant a useless 'weapon' on someone who may or may-not be a muslim, and wait for all the anti-islamic-backlash to start. Then they sue some one.

Ha, yeah. The only problem is the potentially Muslim lady called the cops right away.

66 ratherdashing  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:38:51am

The slideshow for portable missile launchers:

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

Courtesy of wcbstv

67 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:39:02am

Now that Jet Blue has distanced themselves from the lunatic Kos, Islamic Rage Boy has stepped up as a sponsor.

68 SlothB77  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:39:09am

if the woman is an ROPer, why did she call the cops? name sounds indian to me. hindi, not muslim.

69 Checker77  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:39:16am

What the hell happened, did Abdul's mom make Baba Ghanoush squares? All the lil' terrorist went running over to Abdul's house, forgot the rocket launcher, Habib's parent's won't be happy, he'll be grounded for a month for sure.

70 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:39:31am
71 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:39:33am

re: #68 SlothB77

if the woman is an ROPer, why did she call the cops? name sounds indian to me. hindi, not muslim.

Actually it's a semitic name.

72 pat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:40:17am

Note that the tube description likely means this NOT a SAM. SAMs have complicated target acquisition systems. Except for some older Russian stuff.

73 cygnus  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:40:59am

re: #27 GregInSeattle

Damn Presbyterians!

Nah, it was those darn Calvary Chapel people. Pastor Chuck Smith runs a secret terrorist cell out of Costa Mesa, you know. And Pastor Greg Laurie's 'Festivals' are actually for recruiting. Better keep an eye on those guys!
/Sarcasm off
Maybe the launcher is one of these. Something that would drive the 'no guns' people raving nutters!

74 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:41:15am

Abu Tit did it.

75 so.cal.swede  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:41:44am
“I read it and it [said] ‘missile,’” Besai told CBS 2 HD. “There was little ‘missile’ [writing] on it.”


Hahahah. Little missile writing

76 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:41:49am

re: #59 JimmyTheClaw

re: #5 RJ_in_Reno

Used LAWs rocket launcher I bet. Basically a fiberglass tube usefull for not much. I think you can get them on line and at some gun shows.

i had one when i was a kid my dad got it from someone for me if fired its simply not reusable however i can see some "extremists" trying to use it with a homemade missile

I beg to differ. An empty LAW (Light Anti Tank Weapon) tube can be used to launch 60 mm mortars. The diameter of the LAW is 66mm so accuracy is affected but it will do in a pinch.

77 scottthecanuck  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:41:57am

re: #70 Ringo the Gringo

From the article

Suicide attacks inside mosques are relatively rare in Pakistan.

78 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:41:58am

re: #60 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Or KOS is going to claim that a neocon was trying to shoot down a jet blue flight at the orders of El Presidente para la Vida Cheney.

79 lowandslow  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:42:09am

OT
If you want a good midday laugh, watch this.
The John Edwards Road to One America Poverty Tour.

80 Big_Iron  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:42:13am

I go with the response time scenario. Much like the two women casing the airport from earlier this week.
I'm not a big expert on terrorist tactics, but I have read enough and had enough military training to know that you don't just jump in and do a dirty deed. You plan it out and cover all your bases before the appointed time.
I'm also not a psychic, but I feel that there will be more of these little "move on nothing to see here, no problemo" events in the coming days/weeks/months. Just remeber to keep your head down and your powder dry.

81 So?  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:42:22am

This sounds like a job for Jack Bauer...come out of retirement Jack, we need you...only you can save America...cause no racial profiling is allowed at airports... bus terminals...kiddie pools...and amusement parks.

I wonder how many Saudis were let into the country today? Hmmm.

82 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:42:25am

Hey, this happens all the time. Rocket launchers fall off backs of trucks, don't they? I question the timing /L3

Here's more on the story, including link to video.

83 traveler  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:42:46am

Wow -- right after the July 17th anniversary of the downing of Flight #800

84 3 wood  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:43:00am

OT:

This is funny. At HuffPo they have a thread on the NBA Ref game fixing scandal, and the moonbats have actually blamed Bush. Get this:

ohgee
Oh no! Another Bushie Gone Wild...when will they stop?


speakingtruth2power
Remember when the still righteous right was saying that Bill Clinton was ruining the moral fiber of the country by providing a bad example?
Log in | posted 12:11 pm on 07/20/2007
ohgee
I do remember. So much for bringing "Integrity back to the White House"...

Really...I'm not making this up.

85 easy  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:43:10am

re: #48 Aladin Sane
I've looked up the Stinger and SA-7 (too many countries of origin to see all) and see writing but no pictures.

86 scottthecanuck  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:43:15am

re: #73 cygnus

49 Mhz! - Wow good thing we found it.

87 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:43:22am
88 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:43:54am

re: #71 Cognito

Would semitic include persians?

89 traveler  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:44:22am

re: #25 YourTaxDollarsAtWork


LOL. Wonder if Iowahawk is cranking something out about this new item -- I sure hope so.

90 scottthecanuck  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:46:21am

re: #82 lawhawk

the reporter says his sources confirm it is a shoulder fired SAM, but doesn't say who or how credible the sources are.

91 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:46:47am
92 bosforus  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:46:54am

this story has some great potential. the next 48 hours are either going to be very fun (bush plot, terrorist is spooked-dropped rocket launcher and runs) or just a big dud (fake rocket launcher)

93 pat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:47:10am

Chertoff, making sure another ROP proto-terrorist is not deported.
[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

94 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:48:06am

re: #88 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

Semetic is in origin a linguistic term of distinction and it relates to Arabic and Hebrew languages and their dialects

Persians are not semetic

95 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:48:30am

re: #88 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #71 Cognito

Would semitic include persians?

I don't think so. I think Persian differs, linguistically.

96 FreeIowa  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:48:56am

Oh my God. I’ve found strange things in my yard before. But wow.
I have a question though. Who isn’t on a flight path to a major airport? How high can these things shoot?

97 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:49:14am

Roger Hedgecock, sitting in behind the Golden EIB Microphone, now discussing this story.

98 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:49:19am

Maybe the culprit had heard this too much: If I had a Rocket Launcher.

99 so.cal.swede  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:49:48am

re: #96 FreeIowa

Oh my God. I’ve found strange things in my yard before. But wow.
I have a question though. Who isn’t on a flight path to a major airport? How high can these things shoot?

the one in question, you could probably spit farther and more lethally.

that's my guess.

100 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:49:50am

Some reports are indicating it's an AT-4 launcher.

101 turn  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:50:21am

DNC:

Move along now, nothing to see here...

102 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:50:51am

re: #76 Just_A_Grunt

re: #59 JimmyTheClaw

re: #5 RJ_in_Reno

Used LAWs rocket launcher I bet. Basically a fiberglass tube usefull for not much. I think you can get them on line and at some gun shows.

i had one when i was a kid my dad got it from someone for me if fired its simply not reusable however i can see some "extremists" trying to use it with a homemade missile

I beg to differ. An empty LAW (Light Anti Tank Weapon) tube can be used to launch 60 mm mortars. The diameter of the LAW is 66mm so accuracy is affected but it will do in a pinch.

kinda what i meant by homemade missile shoulda said multi use gotta excuse me i'm a little slow today been preparing for a all you can drink picnic

103 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:50:56am

Washing windows is hard work, I tells ya', even if the mutton-bars are removable.

104 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:51:39am

re: #100 lawhawk

If those reports are accurate, it's an anti-tank guided missile.

105 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:51:48am

re: #98 MandyManners

ya too late
see 87

lol

106 zombie  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:51:58am

re: #44 Wm T Sherman

OT

Fake-looking video of soldier confessing to atrocities:

[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

Anyone have information on this? People are making a big deal out of it in some quarters.

That video is 100% fake.

Guaranteed. Made by moonbats to defame the troops. Every word is scripted. Totally obvious.

The giveaway is the weaselly high-pitched nasal voice of the moonbat videographer. No actual soldier speaks like that.

107 bulwrk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:52:11am

re: #91 JammieWearingFool


Dr Martin Luther King would be proud.

108 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:52:21am

re: #98 MandyManners

Maybe the culprit had heard this too much: If I had a Rocket Launcher.

Mandy - that's the ticket! The music made me do it!

/they always said Rockn'Roll would rot our minds ...

109 turn  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:53:02am

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

A hungover jihadi awakes.

Where'd I leave that thing?


LOL!

110 Sponge  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:53:02am

It's there because gorbal warming is in effect which in turn increases terrorism, so there are thousands of missile launchers and RPG launchers near airports all over the world. If you people would simply stop breathing and eating beef, all these issues would go away.

111 bosforus  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:53:14am

re: #100 lawhawk

Some reports are indicating it's an AT-4 launcher.

Army Study Guide: AT-4 Maximum range, 2100 meters

112 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:53:53am

105 BabbaZee

Shit.

113 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:53:54am

I'c concerned for my family. I have family who live in the path of Newark Airport. The planes fly right over my mom's house in Springfield, NJ.

This is not good.

114 Colonel Panik  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:53:56am

That reporter is an idiot. Keeps using the term "rocket" and "missile" interchangeably.

Rocket= unguided. Not likely an anti-aircraft weapon. Like RPG-7, antipersonnel or anti-vehicle weapon.

Missile=guided, either by wire (most anti-tank), infrared (shoulder fired anti-aircraft like US Stinger or Russian Strela) or passive or active radar homing. (Air to air.)

Free Iowa:
I think the altitude limit for shoulder fired AA missile is around 10,000 ft. IIRC.

Generally they are used against aircraft flying at lower altitudes. So for optimum positioning for use by a terrorist against an airliner, they'd want to be fairly close to an airport.

115 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:54:06am

Dang it! I have to fly into Newark all the time! It's bad enough that I have to fly continental for FIVE HOURS and sit scrunched with my knees in front of my face and, inevitably, a two year old kicking the seat behind me, now I after to worry about being blown out of the sky.

When are we getting the anti-missile thingies like El Al has on their planes?

116 gymnast  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:54:09am

OT. May have been mentioned earlier. See Drudge for a prime example of the intellect and morality of Barak Hussein Obama, PoS.

117 cygnus  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:55:03am

re: #36 Cattt

I'm shocked.

Most people in NJ know better than to leave their rocket launchers out on the lawn.

And it probably violates the community's landscaping rules. Very untidy.

118 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:55:16am

OT but this will warm your heart. DU posters call Kos Nazis.

119 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:55:24am

It's one of those stories that leave you with more questions than answers.

120 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:55:37am

108 RedPepper

I once liked Coburn but, some of his stuff is just too far over the line.

121 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:55:56am

re: #110 Sponge

It's there because gorbal warming is in effect which in turn increases terrorism, so there are thousands of missile launchers and RPG launchers near airports all over the world. If you people would simply stop breathing and eating beef, all these issues would go away.

I'm afraid to ask ...

/anything to do with former Soviet leaders?

122 scottthecanuck  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:55:59am

re: #110 Sponge

Absolutely, as human settlements push further and further into the natural habitats of non-manned rocket propelled weapons we can only expect an increase in human and non-manned rocket propelled encounters with tragic consequences for both sides, particularly the non-manned rocket propelled weapons.

123 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:56:19am

re: #112 MandyManners


Moohahhahhaha!

There is only one WLGF!
;~}

124 insanity police  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:56:27am
125 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:57:01am

re: #114 Colonel Panik

Over that area in Jersey, planes are probably flying at abour 4 to 5,000 feet, correct my if I'm wrong...

My house is in the LaGuardia flight path and planes are usually at around 2,200 feet passing over my backyard...

126 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:57:15am

re: #121 RedPepper

re: #110 Sponge

It's there because gorbal warming is in effect which in turn increases terrorism, so there are thousands of missile launchers and RPG launchers near airports all over the world. If you people would simply stop breathing and eating beef, all these issues would go away.

I'm afraid to ask ...

/anything to do with former Soviet leaders?

Maybe he meant gerbil warming.
/can't leave them in the microwave too long!

127 RTLM  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:57:20am

re: #111 bosforus

AKA: 9M111 Fagot

128 FabioC.  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:57:34am

Damn, I'd have enough of finding a battered AK-47 in my front lawn one morning. Some people have all the luck.

129 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:57:36am

re: #106 zombie

The giveaway is the weaselly high-pitched nasal voice of the moonbat videographer. No actual soldier speaks like that.

I'm not sure voice tone is the best evidence... but I agree it's fake. Not on the guy's nasal voice, but on

1) The way it's lit. It just so happens you can't make out the identity of the speaker because a shadow falls just so, on his face. And,

2) The breadth of topics he addresses, from Abu Ghraib to international military law.

3) The total lack of remorse is almost cartoonish. He says it was 'fun,' which even Lindy Englund never claimed.

130 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:57:40am
131 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:57:51am

re: #118 Just_A_Grunt

Heh. I've been watching the progressive Dkos meltown over jet blue.

132 Catttt  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:57:59am

One thing - no one on this street had a camera phone? No pics of the thing in situ?

133 funkyfantom  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:58:19am

I vaguely recall that Jersey City is where the mosque was where they mixed the chemicals for the 1993 WTC bmombing.

134 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:58:20am

Bush's illegal war is causing rocket launchers to spontaneously generate in the front lawns of America!

135 EC Marm  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:58:26am

Maybe the chief of Homeland Security could have some subordinate come out and allay any fears? Or is Chertoff too busy telling the NAACP to fight for Muslim Americans?

/wife flying tomorrow, I don't like this shit, one f'in bit

136 easy  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:59:20am

re: #100 lawhawk
It does have a "picture of a soldier" on it.

137 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:59:40am

re: #134 Silhouette

Bush's illegal war is causing rocket launchers to spontaneously generate in the front lawns of America!


ROTF

138 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:59:41am

re: #116 gymnast

It's been noted. And it's yet another example of why he should never be considered Presidential material.

139 Yakima1966  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:59:51am

I lived in this neighborhood (Jersey City Heights) for almost 5 years. It has to be one of the most diverse places in the US. The population density is somewhere north of 30K/sqmi. You have every description of person in the Jersey City Heights. From the very wealthy to people chopping houses up and making 20 people fit in a 4 bedroom house. You have just about every race/culture as well, with Hispanic and Causation making the majority but a little of everything is else is there. There are a few mosques in JC but not in this neighborhood, but as with everything in JC it's only 5-15 min away.

I would take this with a grain of salt as well. I do not know exactly why someone would set up on this exact spot, there are plenty of parks and rooftops where something like this would not be noticed. (most roofs in this area are flat) It does not make sense to set it up in a front yard unless you just want to see what the response would be.

I wish we had more info.

140 realwest  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:59:52am

re: #70 Ringo the Gringo Thanks for that link. As I've said several times since the Red Mosque storming, the Paki military isn't going to stand still while it and it's troops are being attacked by these "insurgents" and the Paki soldiers are just as "barbarous" as the tribal folks and Al-Q. I do think the Pakinstani Military is gonna go after 'em hard, fast and continuously (and with the help of US Special Forces, drones and airpower).
As to the story which is the subject of this thread, I'm tempted to call BS (I just don't see terrorists leaving a missle launcher on someone's front lawn) I am calling for the 24
hour rule on it.

141 Aladin Sane  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:00:37am

re: #85 easy

Same here!

142 bulwrk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:00:55am

re: #106 zombie


Supposedly there was an incident in Afganistan involving German troops in 2005 on video reported by Der Spegal that sounds alot like this report can't find it though.

it's bullsh*t.

143 Paul  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:01:19am
144 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:01:29am

Cheney in charge update

Fresh HuffPo commentary...


If they find that Bush has cancer and has only weeks to live...and that Cheney will soon be sworn in, I'm going to go out and drink a quart of battery acid.
| posted 01:06 pm on 07/20/2007
145 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:01:47am

Of course, I hope they are looking at all her neighbors real close.

146 realwest  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:02:30am

re: #123 BabbaZee ROTFLMAO!

147 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:02:39am

#144 JWF

I'm going to go out and drink a quart of battery acid.

That'll show us!

148 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:03:05am

If you wanted to hide a rocket launcher in a front yard in New Jersey, you should put it inside a Virgin Mary statue.

/former Jersey girl

149 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:03:55am

re: #138 lawhawk

The good thing about Barak is that he's unlikely to ever become President.

Wish I felt the same confidence with regard to sHillary.

150 Wishing  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:03:59am

re: #136 easy

re: #100 lawhawk
It does have a "picture of a soldier" on it.

dayam...

151 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:04:10am

I agree that a 24-hour rule should be invoked here... However, a real weapon wouldn't surprise me... It's just the reason it's there that is debateable...

152 cygnus  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:04:27am

re: #137 BabbaZee

re: #134 Silhouette

Bush's illegal war is causing rocket launchers to spontaneously generate in the front lawns of America!


ROTF

LMAO!

This idea will probably be posted on Kos any minute now. Bets?

153 insanity police  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:04:35am

re: #130 BabbaZee

re: #124 insanity police


More anti-Israel propaganda in Detroit.

Excellent blog.

Your blog is pretty amazing too.

154 mrsoc  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:04:35am

re: #36 Cattt

I'm shocked.

Most people in NJ know better than to leave their rocket launchers out on the lawn.

As I keep trying to tell you guys-there is always a Jersey connection.

155 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:04:57am

re: #114 Colonel Panik
Very informative post.
One of the many reasons why I LOVE LGF!

156 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:05:34am

re: #106 zombie

re: #44 Wm T Sherman

The guy sounds like a reservists, talking BS. I doubt he was at Abu Grab Ass and the things he talks aobut just don't square. The only hint that he was over there is the use of the word Haji, which has become the slang word for Iraqis and others used by our military. Nobody said they were politically correct but then killing ain't politically either.
Just another liar sucking on a bottle trying to be the BMOC (Big Man on Campus)

157 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:05:35am

re: #147 Silhouette

#144 JWF

I'm going to go out and drink a quart of battery acid.

That'll show us!

I'd probably drink a quart of whisky when a Democrat returns to the white House, but I'll skip the battery acid.

158 Sponge  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:05:38am

re: #121 RedPepper

re: #110 Sponge


It's there because gorbal warming is in effect which in turn increases terrorism, so there are thousands of missile launchers and RPG launchers near airports all over the world. If you people would simply stop breathing and eating beef, all these issues would go away.

I'm afraid to ask ...

/anything to do with former Soviet leaders?

Sorry...left off the 'e'...gorebal warming...as in al-gore and his blatant attempt to terrorize the planet and become hitler without killing jews.

159 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:05:47am

re: #136 easy

re: #100 lawhawk
It does have a "picture of a soldier" on it.

"Fire Like This." I love our idiot-proof Army!

160 easy  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:06:06am

re: #141 Aladin Sane
See my #136.

162 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:06:37am

re: #136 easy

re: #100 lawhawk
It does have a "picture of a soldier" on it.

That is an AT-4 and those are Anti Tank rockets and not 6 feet long. I humped enough of 'em I know.

163 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:07:03am

The Headline is kinda off, as they almost always are.

The Feds didn't really "seize" the item. It was turned in. Seized implies taking it by force.

I don't really see a bias or agenda, other than seized sounds more sensational.

(But I notice that along with the story, CBS provides a nice slide show of launchers. Including several AP photos taken while "embedded" with the terrorists. [spit])

164 deseeded  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:07:20am

re: #127 RTLM

...And the FAGOT replaced an obsolete man-packed system...

It's Friday. These kind of acronyms make me chuckle like a 12 year old.

165 easy  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:07:35am

re: #159 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
My heart is filled with lust for that scope.

166 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:07:53am

re: #144 JammieWearingFool

Cheney in charge update

Fresh HuffPo commentary...



If they find that Bush has cancer and has only weeks to live...and that Cheney will soon be sworn in, I'm going to go out and drink a quart of battery acid.
| posted 01:06 pm on 07/20/2007

Better drink the acid anyway, just in case.

167 BabbaZee  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:08:24am

re: #153 insanity police


And I'm off to go work there now, thanks for the nice words.


Later Lizardia

168 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:08:44am

re: #158 Sponge

Gorebal warming! I like that! I may have to consider purloining that one!

169 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:08:45am

re: #161 lawhawk

Well, sure it's harmless...NOW...

A gun is harmless once it's been emptied as well!

170 bosforus  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:08:52am

put on yer thinkin' caps, here come math!
typical angle of descent: 3 degrees
9M111 (AT-4) maximum range: 2500 meters, 8200 feet
Potential target radius from Newark Liberty National Airport: 40 km, 25 miles
pretty sure this is right, but it's open to correction

171 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:09:05am

re: #156 Just_A_Grunt

re: #106 zombie

re: #44 Wm T Sherman

The guy sounds like a reservists, talking BS. I doubt he was at Abu Grab Ass and the things he talks aobut just don't square. The only hint that he was over there is the use of the word Haji, which has become the slang word for Iraqis and others used by our military. Nobody said they were politically correct but then killing ain't politically either.
Just another liar sucking on a bottle trying to be the BMOC (Big Man on Campus)

Or he's gearing up for a career as a Senator from Massachusetts.

172 bosforus  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:09:31am

re: #170 bosforus

how's that for paranoid?

173 Wishing  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:09:43am

re: #161 lawhawk

Feds say the launcher was harmless - it was empty.

yup, they really do think we are idiots..

174 Murqtaad  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:09:49am

re: #44 Wm T Sherman

Fake, but accurate.

/

175 bulwrk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:10:30am

re: #159 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Russian military hardware used this method due to the fact many conscripts either couldn't speak Russian or couldn't read.

176 realwest  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:10:51am

re: #166 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Very good, and very thoughtful suggestion!

177 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:11:01am

re: #165 easy

That scope is a NVD Night Vision Device and since the AT 4 is a one time use, fire and forget type rocket it is a waste of time to mount a scope on it, take a shot, and then have to remove it. Not to mention it adds a lot of weight to it. With the NVG's Night Vision Goggles now used there is no need to mount a scope onto the weapon system itself.
/but hey makes for a good picture

178 Wm T Sherman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:11:32am

re: #106 zombie

re: #44 Wm T Sherman


OT

Fake-looking video of soldier confessing to atrocities:

[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

Anyone have information on this? People are making a big deal out of it in some quarters.


That video is 100% fake.

Guaranteed. Made by moonbats to defame the troops. Every word is scripted. Totally obvious.

The giveaway is the weaselly high-pitched nasal voice of the moonbat videographer. No actual soldier speaks like that.

I was already certain it's fake. Any information helping to debunk it would be welcome. Perhaps at some point the identities of the people in the video will be discovered.

It's a lot of trouble to go to for something so ridiculous. However, it's being touted as evidence.

179 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:11:32am

re: #161 lawhawk

There is a significant difference between empty and inoperable. I hope they meant inoperable when they said inoperable.

But I'm not feeling real confident in a report that also says

U.S. Army ordinance experts are now

Now, why would they bring in experts on written laws when it is ordnance we're talking about here?

180 3 wood  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:11:41am

OT

HuffPO posters don't hate just Jews, they hate God and Christians too. In their Tammy Baker thread you get this:

bimplebean
Well, God HAS to be evil, or else He doesn't exist.

Either He *can't* prevent awful things like this, in which case he's not God, or else he *won't*, which makes Him an evil, heartless bastard.

DocSarvis
"Don't you know there ain't no Devil, it's just God when he's drunk." -Tom Waits

"There has got to be a God; the world could not have become so fucked up by chance alone." -Ed Abbey

"God is love? Not bloody likely." -ibid
Log in | Parent | posted 11:45 am on 07/20/2007

FatherWolf
Read your Old Testament. Stalin and Pol Pot had nothing on Yahweh when it comes to viciousness and vindictiveness.
Log in | Parent | posted 09:43 pm on 07/19/2007

JoTheBartender
Karmic payback for robbing people of millions with a god damn fairy tale story.

If their so called religion truly worked she would be healthy and happy.

Why do people continue to believe this buybull bullshit?

I think because they are afraid to THINK.


So much for the tolerant left.

181 pat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:11:53am

#159 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Hate to blow up the building behind you or even yourself because you forgot step 2. Smart thing to do knowing the heat of battle, or in the case of a SAM the small size of the opportunity.

182 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:11:58am

re: #161 lawhawk

Feds say the launcher was harmless - it was empty.


An empty military rocket launcher found on the front lawn of a Jersey City residence today caused a brief scare today, before federal authorities determined the device was inoperable and harmless.

U.S. Army ordinance experts are now trying to track down the serial numbers on the device to determine its origin.

According to the FBI, the launcher was the empty holder for an AT-4 anti-tank weapon - a one-shot rocket-propelled projectile used by the infantry to destroy or disable armored vehicles. The launcher is discarded after use.

FBI spokesman Sean Quinn said the launcher found by a homeowner in front of her house was essentially an empty tube.

"There was no threat," he said

Kinda early to say that. Was is already fired or is the unused rocket missing?

183 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:12:53am

re: #161 lawhawk

Feds say the launcher was harmless - it was empty.

Heck, I'd say that anybody stomping through the suburbs with a rocket launcher is a threat...

184 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:13:25am

Maybe it was "empty" as in all the inner working parts were gone?

185 Murqtaad  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:13:50am
If they find that Bush has cancer and has only weeks to live...and that Cheney will soon be sworn in, I'm going to go out and drink a quart of battery acid.
| posted 01:06 pm on 07/20/2007

Don't these idiots always say that Cheney is running the show anyway? Better drink up. Quickly, now.

186 JamesTKirk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:14:23am

She gets a rocket launcher and I'm not even allowed to shoot of any decent fireworks?

187 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:14:31am
FBI spokesman Sean Quinn said the launcher found by a homeowner in front of her house was essentially an empty tube.

and

Besai’s neighbor, Joe Quinn, saw her pointing at the equipment

I don't get paid to believe in coincidences.
/

188 pat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:14:45am

Aha! I knew it was a rocket launcher.

189 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:14:55am

re: #181 pat

#159 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Hate to blow up the building behind you or even yourself because you forgot step 2. Smart thing to do knowing the heat of battle, or in the case of a SAM the small size of the opportunity.

Well then they should paste a picture of a scowling R. Lee Ermey on them - you'll never forget your training that way!

190 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:15:21am

re: #161 lawhawk

Feds say the launcher was harmless - it was empty.

Goudy: Was this revolver loaded and cocked?

Rooster Cogburn: Well, a gun that's unloaded and cocked ain't good for nothin'.

191 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:15:29am

People only throw beer cans in my yard.

192 EC Marm  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:15:48am

re: #179 Silhouette

Now, why would they bring in experts on written laws when it is ordnance we're talking about here?

Good catch. Maybe they need to make it a violation of zoning ordinances to fire such weapon from your front lawn? It will never pass the Senate, though.

193 Spider Mensch  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:15:48am

Being it was found on a lawn, the FBI and michael Chertoff have put out an alert with a composite of the possible owner who left the launcher on the NJ lawn...

[Link: www.aaronsenterprises.com...]

194 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:16:12am

"Essentiallly an empty tube", the comment from the FBI, would go along with the "all the inner workings removed" comment of mine.

195 Wishing  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:16:33am

re: #193 Spider Mensch

hahahahahha

196 easy  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:17:55am
197 bosforus  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:17:57am

re: #192 EC Marm

you mean an ordnance ordinance? ordinarily i would agree, but this is no no ordinary ordnance ordinance we're talking about.

198 GreenDroll  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:18:28am

Awad Hassain is on the line, has anyone seen his bong?

199 zombie  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:18:36am

Some people are questioning that the "picture of a soldier" on the NJ rocket launcher indicates something fishy about it, that it might be a fake.

HOWEVER: lawhawk at comment #100 links to a report revealing the exact model of rocket launcher:

Sources tell CBS 2 HD that the device is an AT-4 missile launcher that is used to fire against tanks and buildings.

And if one digs up photos of AT-4 launchers, they do indeed have a diagram of a soldier on them (see the right side of the barrel):

Click on "AT4.jpg" on this page: Definitely a soldier diagram on the AT4 rocket launcher.

The actual model is the M136 AT4:

M136 AT4

200 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:19:09am

Hey... The other day there was an object that crashed through someone's roof in Bayonne, NJ... Could it be?

I know that a reason was given behind the 'object' that creashed into that home but still...

201 EC Marm  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:20:02am

re: #199 zombie
See #196 - Why in the hell would someone plunk down $250.00 for a "hollow tube?"

202 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:20:17am

FoxNews.com now saying it was an inert training launcher.

203 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:20:19am

re: #197 bosforus

That's an ordinal post. I nominate you to be an ordinand.

204 beblebrox  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:21:47am

it's that just about right! when you need a rocket launcher, they are nowhere to be found. When you don't, the damn things are just lying around, waiting to be picked up.

205 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:21:57am

re: #202 Ward Cleaver

What the hell does that mean? Regardless, why is it there? Training?

206 bosforus  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:21:59am

re: #203 Silhouette

i was already ordained last week ;)

207 Yakima1966  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:22:29am

re: #196 easy

re: #161 lawhawk

Feds say the launcher was harmless - it was empty.


Get em while the're hot. Only one left in stock.

You can but them at surplus stores.

I think this was someone who wanted:

1. Attention, like an arsonist.
2. An enemy of the homeowner.
3. Terrorist testing our response.
4. A diversion. What else is happening in the area?

208 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:23:06am

re: #187 Silhouette

FBI spokesman Sean Quinn said the launcher found by a homeowner in front of her house was essentially an empty tube.
and
Besai’s neighbor, Joe Quinn, saw her pointing at the equipment
I don't get paid to believe in coincidences.
/

Huh?

209 jpwhitmore  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:23:06am

It isn't a SAM it is an At4 anti tank weapon [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
They are no danger to any aircraft, unless you are standing right next to it of course.

210 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:23:30am

Okay, so it's a dud.

Did the original owner not know it was a dud? Did he buy it, run out to the airport to take down a plane, and then drop it when it didn't work?

Did the original owner know it was a dud. He/she was just out playing with it, and left it out.

Did the original owner know it was a dud, but left it out to be discovered on purpose, knowing there would be a temporary scare?

211 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:24:05am

re: #196 easy

Rear sight cover missing, and safety pin.


A second had rocket launcher without a safety pin? Sounds like a great Christmas present for the kids.

212 easy  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:24:33am

re: #177 Just_A_Grunt

but hey makes for a good picture


It does at that. Cool

213 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:24:58am

re: #205 tfc3rid

re: #202 Ward Cleaver

What the hell does that mean? Regardless, why is it there? Training?

Jihad training, of course.

Seriously, though, the 48-hour rule applies here.

214 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:25:51am

re: #179 Silhouette
Given that most reporters don't know military issues, or know who to ask to correct their mistakes, anything is possible. However, an editor should have picked up the mistake.

re: #200 tfc3rid
The item that fell on that house was part of an industrial shredder. It doesn't explain how it fell though.

215 JimmyTheClaw  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:26:16am

re: #201 EC Marm

re: #199 zombie
See #196 - Why in the hell would someone plunk down $250.00 for a "hollow tube?"

cause it looks cool

216 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:26:26am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Hey! Way cooler than a pair of sneakers ...

217 JamesTKirk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:26:53am

re: #173 Wishing

re: #161 lawhawk


Feds say the launcher was harmless - it was empty.

yup, they really do think we are idiots..

Empty, eh? So where'd this rocket go, and how many more do they have?

Oh, wait, they're telling me to stick my head in the sand again.

218 beblebrox  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:27:36am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

re: #196 easy

Rear sight cover missing, and safety pin.


A second had rocket launcher without a safety pin? Sounds like a great Christmas present for the kids.

I sticking to Illudium PU-36 Explosive Space Modulators this holiday season.

219 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:27:47am

re: #201 EC Marm

re: #199 zombie
See #196 - Why in the hell would someone plunk down $250.00 for a "hollow tube?"

Scare the hell out of your daughter's boyfriends?

220 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:28:04am

re: #2 sandspur

Well, for goodness sake, don't tell anyone about it! CAIR might sue!

Sadly funny.

221 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:28:09am

There is only one way to empty an AT4 so that there is only a tube left, that is to fire it. Sometimes an empty tube is scarier then the loaded ones.

222 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:28:17am

re: #209 jpwhitmore

It isn't a SAM it is an At4 anti tank weapon [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
They are no danger to any aircraft, unless you are standing right next to it of course.

Well, depending on the range, and how close you were to the end of the runway (like less than 1/4 mile), you could point the thing up, and maybe get lucky. If you're close enough, and the target's big enough...

223 GOP_Crusader  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:28:18am

OT

From my local central Illinois Newspaper:

Obama: Don't stay in Iraq over genocide
SUNAPEE, N.H. -- Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn't a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.


How about fighting the war THERE so we don't have to fight it HERE, Osama?

224 Yakima1966  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:28:22am

re: #200 tfc3rid

Hey... The other day there was an object that crashed through someone's roof in Bayonne, NJ... Could it be?

I know that a reason was given behind the 'object' that creashed into that home but still...

They said it was from a wood chipper.

225 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:28:28am

re: #214 lawhawk

re: #200 tfc3rid
The item that fell on that house was part of an industrial shredder. It doesn't explain how it fell though.

I understand there was a pretty bad storm that day. It was raining cats & dogs & industrial shredders.

226 wrathofasma  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:29:17am

Okay, her name definitely sounds like a Hindu name. But this story is just plain weird. Who is so stupid to just drop a missile launcher on someone's lawn like that? Well then again, the folks in Glasgow were unsuccessful in their attempt to blow up the airport.

227 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:29:20am

re: #208 CognitoThey have the same last name.

So someone looking for conspiracy could make something out of it, that the neighbor and the FBI agent might be relatives.

Did you see the sarc tag?

228 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:30:26am

re: #225 NJDhockeyfan

re: #214 lawhawk

re: #200 tfc3rid
The item that fell on that house was part of an industrial shredder. It doesn't explain how it fell though.

I understand there was a pretty bad storm that day. It was raining cats & dogs & industrial shredders.

Paging Charles Fort...

229 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:30:49am

re: #223 GOP_Crusader

OT

From my local central Illinois Newspaper:

Obama: Don't stay in Iraq over genocide
SUNAPEE, N.H. -- Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn't a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.


How about fighting the war THERE so we don't have to fight it HERE, Osama?

Would he say the same thing about Darfur? Don't bet on it.

230 JamesTKirk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:30:54am

re: #223 GOP_Crusader

OT

From my local central Illinois Newspaper:

Obama: Don't stay in Iraq over genocide
SUNAPEE, N.H. -- Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn't a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.

How about fighting the war THERE so we don't have to fight it HERE, Osama?

I'm sure that preventing a genocide here isn't a good enough reason for them, either, as long as it's the right people who die. You can ask Michael Moore about that one.

231 joncelli  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:31:52am

re: #70 Ringo the Gringo

Musharraf needs to start kicking ass. A good way to start would be to induce the ISI to turn Osama over to us. He's got nothing to lose -- they're going to try to assassinate him no matter what he does.

232 MilkOfMalfeasance  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:33:19am

Shoulder Mounted Missile of Peace?

233 brent  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:33:44am
Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn't a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.

Please someone find a quote where this flyweight says we need to be in Darfur to stop the genocide. Please.

I'm just sick to tears hearing how we need to get out of Iraq and into Darfur - if so, what other reason could it be except to stick it to Bush and by extension, the Iraqis?

234 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:33:51am

"Genocide is bad, just not as bad as letting a Republican win."

235 bulwrk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:33:59am

re: #229 Ward Cleaver


SUNAPEE, N.H. -- Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn't a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.

What if union soldiers had felt that way 1860-1865

236 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:34:53am

re: #227 Silhouette

Ah, the sarc tag. What a difference a keystroke makes!

237 EC Marm  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:35:34am

re: #219 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Scare the hell out of your daughter's boyfriends?

Those days are over thankfully. But I'll bet I could put a roman candle in something like that and scare the bejesus out of my next door neighbor on the Fourth of July.

238 sadatoni  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:36:21am

So that's where it got to. I sure hate misplacing things.

I hope it's covered in known fingerprints.

239 brent  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:37:16am
In the near term, Washington must pressure Khartoum to allow more advisers from Western nations to embed within the African Union's mission so they support intelligence, logistics and communications. It must work with other nations to provide military assets to African Union forces, such as attack helicopters and armored personnel carriers, so they can respond immediately to attacks. And it must urge the African Union to be more aggressive in protecting civilians. More important, Washington must immediately spearhead efforts to create a larger multinational force.

From Obama's own site - I guess he really IS saying out of Iraq into Darfur... Middle East genocide good, African genocide bad? Worse than that?

240 joncelli  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:38:07am

Humm. This link (tech data on AT-4) suggests a maximum range of 2100 meters/6890 feet. It's a rocket, so unguided. I suppose if you caught a jetliner at takeoff you could inflict some damage, but since it's unguided it would have to be a lucky shot. Although you only have to be lucky once.

The bigger question is, how many of these are out there? If there's more than one, a smarter jihadi could start using them on buildings and vehicles, the targets for which the weapon was originally intended.

Really, all these home-grown jihadis need is somebody with some training to come in and give them some tactical guidance and we'll be in a world of hurt.

241 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:38:23am

LAWs can be bought at gun shows and maybe through the Shotgun News. I have seen instructions on how to reactivate them as well. So unless you have a live rocket laying around after you've rearmed it, they tend to be harmless.
BTW, the same thing goes for a LAW as the AT4-it's not for shooting down planes (IIRC).

242 grumpy old codger  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:38:41am

Re #159 Beerdrinking

Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots, especially in higher command positions. There the bozos who dream things up like the ROEs.

243 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:39:04am

re: #233 brent

Actually, he's into letting diplomacy work and avoiding military involvment altogether. He doesn't care how large the butcher's bill is. For him, force is not an option, even though it would clearly put a stop to the slaughter.

244 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:40:25am

re: #226 wrathofasma

Stupidity is their middle name.

245 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:40:33am

re: #239 brent

When he talks of a multinational force, it means that US troops would not be involved and would not be allowed to actually make peace. They couldn't put a stop to the carnage - which is the situation with any peacekeeping operation around the world. They can only go in after the fighting has stopped and mop up the mess.

246 merovign  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:41:03am

#233 brent

The left only gives a crap about Darfur to the extent they can use it as a club to get what they want on other issues.

It's a pattern, you see. They've gone past re-writing history and re-writing the present and are now trying to re-write events before they happen, like their "support" of the victims in Darfur.

Which won't happen, should they be elected.

This whole "but what about..." nonsense is just like a 7-year-old child struggling for excuses to avoid consequences. They don't mean any of it, it's just flailing to try to get what they want, and avoid the consequences in the meantime.

247 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:41:31am

Obama is just repeating the recent NYT editorial.

It had the same master point. Genocide is bad, sure, but keeping our troops in Iraq is worse.

Just read all the horrible things they admit will likely happen, yet still they insist we pull out.

Iraq, and the region around it, could be even bloodier and more chaotic after Americans leave. There could be reprisals against those who worked with American forces, further ethnic cleansing, even genocide. Potentially destabilizing refugee flows could hit Jordan and Syria. Iran and Turkey could be tempted to make power grabs. Perhaps most important, the invasion has created a new stronghold from which terrorist activity could proliferate.

.. But Americans must be equally honest about the fact that keeping troops in Iraq will only make things worse.

Now, by worse, they clearly don't mean bloodier or more chaotic, because they admit that the pullout would make things bloodier; therefore, staying makes them less bloody.

So by worse, they aren't talking about human suffering. They are talking about continuing to let Bush "have his way." (Authorized, as they seem to forget, by the US Congress)

248 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:42:52am
249 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:43:41am

al Qaeda is chomping at the bit.

but wait... this just in from the idiot suisidal blame America left: Michael Moore whines: there is no terrorist threat...

250 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:43:46am

re: #228 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Paging Charles Fort...


First time I've ever seen Charles Fort mentioned here.
:)

251 Ginn  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:44:04am

This is extremely frightening. We knew there was a possibility of a person or persons getting their hands on such a weapon and now we have proof. Thank God that no plane was shot down.

Ginn

252 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:45:02am

i'd like to know who her neighbors are. if she has enemies, like moslems who are trying to cause her trouble. i'm assuming she is a hindu.

253 mahatma coat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:45:58am

re: #250 NoSubmission
do you mean this Charles Fort? [Link: www.cork-guide.ie...]

254 merovign  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:46:41am

#241 Hard Right

A "deactivated" LAW is just an aluminum tube and switch. "Reactivating" it means obtaining the ordinance. They were designed to be disposable.

I know you probably didn't mean it that way, but I didn't want to leave the impression out there that you could buy a LAW at a gun show and cross two wires and have a live rocket launcher - a "deactivated LAW" is just a "used" one and is about as dangerous as any aluminum tube.

255 Carl B  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:47:32am

re: #154 mrsoc

re: #36 Cattt


I'm shocked.

Most people in NJ know better than to leave their rocket launchers out on the lawn.


As I keep trying to tell you guys-there is always a Jersey connection.

da mob: Uncle Ahmed Guido al-Sicily.

256 Tricky Dick  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:47:53am

The war on terror's just a bumper sticker. Don't beleive me? Just ask John Edwards or Gordon Brown.

BTW, nothing says "I'm the leading authority on the environment" like eating one of the most endangered species of fish on the planet.

257 southernborn  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:47:58am

Don't even remember the location or date, but seems like it was New York or around there...the plane that went down and there were many suspicions about how or what made it go down. wish i knew the details but maybe it went down because it was shot down..

258 GOP_Crusader  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:48:08am

re: #246 merovign

The left only gives a crap about Darfur to the extent they can use it as a club to get what they want on other issues

I think you can make the same case for Iraq and the WOT in general. The left wants to gut use the military solely as an international police force to contain the peace. They want nothing whatever to do with the war or saving the west in general.

/Good little dhimmis

259 AirForceWife  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:48:08am

#223 GOP_Crusader 7/20/2007 11:28:18 am PDT

How about fighting the war THERE so we don't have to fight it HERE, Osama?

A plan that makes perfect sense, except when we consider that we aren't keeping them from getting here. Too bad we can't get a President next time that will do that.

260 anotherindyfilmguy  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:48:31am

re: #247 Silhouette

Obama is just repeating the recent NYT editorial.

It had the same master point. Genocide is bad, sure, but keeping our troops in Iraq is worse.

Just read all the horrible things they admit will likely happen, yet still they insist we pull out.


Iraq, and the region around it, could be even bloodier and more chaotic after Americans leave. There could be reprisals against those who worked with American forces, further ethnic cleansing, even genocide. Potentially destabilizing refugee flows could hit Jordan and Syria. Iran and Turkey could be tempted to make power grabs. Perhaps most important, the invasion has created a new stronghold from which terrorist activity could proliferate... But Americans must be equally honest about the fact that keeping troops in Iraq will only make things worse.

Now, by worse, they clearly don't mean bloodier or more chaotic, because they admit that the pullout would make things bloodier; therefore, staying makes them less bloody.

So by worse, they aren't talking about human suffering. They are talking about continuing to let Bush "have his way." (Authorized, as they seem to forget, by the US Congress)

By worse they mean worse for the Democrat party should we stay and succeed instead of following their template for them to seize power based on the successful forcing the US out of Vietnam... nothing else really matters to them anymore and playing political games with trying to grab defeat from the jaws of victory only further shows them for the treasonous scum they are.

261 Ginn  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:48:36am

re: #246 merovign

#233 brent

It's a pattern, you see. They've gone past re-writing history and re-writing the present and are now trying to re-write events before they happen, like their "support" of the victims in Darfur.
.

Mero..

"Support" is extremely important. It's the same as actually getting in there and doing something.

LLLism 547.3

262 astronmr20  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:48:48am

I dunno...

My vote is this is just a peice of military sirplus someone was messing with.

263 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:49:25am

re: #253 mahatma coat
Ahh. Cork County. Both sides of my mother's family hail from there.

264 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:49:54am

re: #254 merovign

#241 Hard Right

A "deactivated" LAW is just an aluminum tube and switch. "Reactivating" it means obtaining the ordinance. They were designed to be disposable.

I know you probably didn't mean it that way, but I didn't want to leave the impression out there that you could buy a LAW at a gun show and cross two wires and have a live rocket launcher - a "deactivated LAW" is just a "used" one and is about as dangerous as any aluminum tube.

No problem. Thanks for the clarification.

265 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:50:07am

re: #257 southernborn

You're probably thinking of TWA Flight 800, which crashed off Moriches Inlet. Some witnesses claimed to have seen streaks of light from offshore heading up to a point in the sky, followed by an explosion.

Other witnesses saw the explosion first, and the debris in flames falling into the water.

266 mahatma coat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:50:13am

re: #263 NoSubmission
don't suppose you know where?

267 allah this  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:50:44am

re: #232 MilkOfMalfeasance

Shoulder Mounted Missile of Peace?

Eurojectile?

268 FightingBack  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:51:34am

Why do they have illustrated "missile writing" instructions ?
Presumably, our guys already know how to use them.

269 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:51:37am

re: #256 Tricky Dick


BTW, nothing says "I'm the leading authority on the environment" like eating one of the most endangered species of fish on the planet.

I think Al Gore is a maroon who's trying to refashion himself as an environmental prophet instead of a political also-ran. But that Telegraph story -- like so many stories from the British press -- is lame. Deep in the story it notes quietly,

But the fish enjoyed by the Gores were not endangered or illegally caught.

Rather, the restaurant later confirmed, they had come from one of the world's few well-managed, sustainable populations of toothfish, and caught and documented in compliance with Marine Stewardship Council regulations.

270 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:51:47am

re: #257 southernborn
Maybe you are thinking of Flight 800 from NY to Paris.

271 southernborn  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:51:55am

re: #265 lawhawk

Thats it, thank you very much.

272 brent  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:52:14am

I just wish the public had a memory and the media had a heart and or soul. When is the last time anyone has honestly talked about the genocide of Southeast Asia, when is the last time you've seen the prospect of a withdrawal from Iraq linked to that kind of genocide.

And by that kind, I mean the bad kind, not the Obama more preferrable than supporting Bush's mission in Iraq sorta bad kind.

Seriously, are they working on a color coded scale for genocides? Yellow is a pretty depressing genocide, orange is a fairly worrisome genocide, etc up thru a red right fine mess of a genocide?

/gallows humor off.

273 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:52:57am

re: #257 southernborn

Don't even remember the location or date, but seems like it was New York or around there...the plane that went down and there were many suspicions about how or what made it go down. wish i knew the details but maybe it went down because it was shot down..

i think you are referring to flight 800 (?) that went down shortly after take off. it crashed in the ocean. full of high school kids going to france. many people reported seeing it shot down. of course we were told it exploded for some mysterious reason. also that flight that crashed afew days after 9-ll was odd.

274 cbinflux  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:53:40am

Memphis PD found one under a bridge. Said that they were throwaways, No Big Deal...

275 Atman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:53:57am
276 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:54:36am

re: #266 mahatma coat

re: #263 NoSubmission
don't suppose you know where?


One of my uncles would know for sure which town. Ancestors on my grandfather's side came here before the American Revolution, landed in Providence, Rhode Island I believe, and my grandmother's side came perhaps another 100 years later to Boston.

277 merovign  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:54:50am

#247 Silhouette

Just like pulling out of and defunding South Vietnam resulted in nothing but prosperity and peace, and THERE WERE NO REFUGEES, you must be thinking of Cambodia...

(I actually got stuck in that conversation with a moonbat recently. You know, people who not only believe the TANG memos but claim to know all about them, and then it turns out they didn't even know GWB was a fighter pilot - you know, Texas AIR National Guard...)

The left have traveled so far down the road to Camelot that they can't even see the road, not to mention reality. If someone says "I heard on NPR..." you might as well change the subject, because they are lost.

The biggest problem we have right now is that the MSM is acting like an inoculation against reality - once people have "had their shots," you can't get through to them.

278 Yashmak  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:54:52am

If it's an AT-4 as reported elsewhere, I don't think it poses much of a threat to aircraft. It'd be hard to hit one with such a weapon, although it is technically possible.

IIRC, the shoulder-fired version is unguided.

279 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:55:27am

re: #253 mahatma coat

re: #250 NoSubmission
do you mean this Charles Fort? [Link: www.cork-guide.ie...]

I was referring to this Charles Fort, a writer who "collected" weird stories, especially ones about frogs & fish & other things falling from the sky

280 cbinflux  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:55:44am

re: #268 FightingBack

Why do they have illustrated "missile writing" instructions ?
Presumably, our guys already know how to use them.

Many of our troops are trained on ~ comic books and icons. Much of the Army is from PR, etc. or just not real literate. Tankers have ~ comic books in the tanks.

281 zardah  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:55:45am

A quick learner, Zar pulls out a notebook from his backpack and writes on it:

"green pipe, words "missle" = missle"

returns notebook to backpack, moves on.

282 Salem  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:55:59am

The Obomba article is being a bit taken out of context, I think. He's saying that since we can't go in to stop the genocide in every country it is occuring, then it's pointless to try it in Iraq. He also says he's against the US going into Darfur, though I suspect that's something the man probably waffles on depending who he's speaking to.

When in doubt, it's a good idea to click on the article and actually read it. I'm not judging--I have a bad habit of not doing this myself.

283 mahatma coat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:56:22am

re: #276 NoSubmission

fill me in ...didn't know there was another Charles fort ...presumably named after the one here

284 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:56:27am

re: #279 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I know of Charles Fort very well. I used to belong to the Fortean Society many years ago.

285 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:56:43am

re: #257 southernborn

July 17, 1996 - TWA Flight 800... Went down off the Moriches on Long Island...

Many a person believes it was shot down or was the first 'shoe bombing'...

286 Murqtaad  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:57:12am
.. But Americans must be equally honest about the fact that keeping troops in Iraq will only make things worse.

Dear Barack,

WTF is worse than genocide?

/America needs a junior senator in the Whitehouse, now more than ever.

#@$%#@!

287 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:59:11am

re: #283 mahatma coat
Charles Fort was a pioneer in the field of anomalies of all kinds.

288 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 11:59:57am

Wait -- this is getting weird/interesting. Is there really a society devoted to the collection of odd stories?

289 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:00:37pm

re: #284 NoSubmission

re: #279 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
I know of Charles Fort very well. I used to belong to the Fortean Society many years ago.

From a recent issue of The Fortean Times - an article about tin-foil helmets!

290 mahatma coat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:01:08pm

re: #279 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

after reading that ,it occurs he'd be a great global warming debunker

291 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:01:29pm

Well I'll be darned. The Fortean Times.

292 merovign  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:02:07pm

re: #261 Ginn

"Support" is extremely important. It's the same as actually getting in there and doing something.

LLLism 547.3

1) {Ginn} Hope to see you on the Lounge - someday... :)

2) When the Left gets its power, it will show its "support" of Darfur by respectfully not mentioning it anymore... just like the "homeless problem" disappeared in 1993 and miraculously returned in 2001...

Man, I so used to respect the two-party system, right up to the point that one of them was in dire need of a jacket with really long sleeves.

293 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:02:09pm
294 EC Marm  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:02:34pm

re: #288 Cognito

Wait -- this is getting weird/interesting. Is there really a society devoted to the collection of odd stories?


Did you see the movie Magnolia? Charles Fort is mentioned.

295 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:03:47pm

re: #294 EC Marm

re: #288 Cognito

Wait -- this is getting weird/interesting. Is there really a society devoted to the collection of odd stories?

Did you see the movie Magnolia? Charles Fort is mentioned.

How interesting. And how quirky that the Fortean Times is owned by Dennis Publishing -- which also owns Maxim.

296 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:03:52pm

John Keel, author of The Mothman Prophesies [skip the film/read the book if you care to] used to run the Fortean meetings in Manhattan in the late 80s. Each month a small but dedicated group would meet for lectures on just about anything unusual. I miss those days.

297 Salem  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:03:54pm

My website, Procession of the Damned, was named after one of Fort's quotes in Book of the Damned.

298 mahatma coat  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:04:06pm

re: #289 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
will have to go over that site later ,looks very interesting

299 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:04:21pm

The AT-4 might not be able to take out a plane but what kind of damage might it cause if fired upon a building?

300 Cognito  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:04:51pm

How have I gone this long in life without hearing about this guy Charles Fort? What a character.

301 traveler  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:04:52pm

re: #166 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


That's right. KosKids: You'd better listen to him, he's pre-med.

302 FightingBack  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:05:03pm

re: #280 cbinflux

Thanks.
Have you ever been in a procedure room, the Doc opens a package of equipment, and starts reading the instructions? Happens every time with me.

303 brent  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:05:14pm
"Next, the United States should support the immediate deployment of an effective international force to disarm militia, protect civilians and facilitate delivery of humanitarian assistance in Darfur. Thus far, the African Union has offered 3,000 troops and the United Kingdom has indicated that they would offer some troops. However, international pressure is required for the Sudan regime to accept an international peacekeeping force. The U.S. must ensure humanitarian intervention with or without Sudanese government permission. And, we should urge European governments who are not willing to send troops to Iraq to take on this mission.

This is from his original comments on Darfur - it sure sounds like he's saying send Americans as we can, send Europeans that wouldn't go into icky old Iraq in greater numbers (eg, here's a genocide you can get involved in and not support Bush).

It's a military solution, with the US pushing for other countries - where has that not ended up with American soldiers? Rwanda, Mogadishu, Serbia, etc.

This is from 2005, maybe before he considered himself a real candidate, so look for much nuancing in his current words, but the truth is it's a military problem as long as you're talking about armed rebels and genocide.

304 merovign  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:06:06pm

re: #288 Cognito

Wait -- this is getting weird/interesting. Is there really a society devoted to the collection of odd stories?

Also search for "Forteana."

I have a few issues of Fortean Times around here, but it's expensive on this side of the pond.

It's fun to read about all the weirdnesses... people who keep their dead spouses in the house for years, mysterious disappearances, really odd customs in small little-known countries, strange historical records, strange animal behaviors, and of course your stock-standard bigfoot and surviving dinosaur stories.

Just anything wierd, though UFO stories don't play a big part in the Fortean legacy (though they love their bizarre UFO cults, like Unarius).

I'm big on weird.

305 EC Marm  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:06:41pm

re: #296 NoSubmission

The Mothman Prophesies [skip the film/read the book if you care to]


Not a fan of Richard Gere?

306 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:07:09pm

PIMF #249 (my post)

"Suicidal"

307 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:08:12pm

re: #282 Salem

I've been following the Darfur genocide situation for a couple of years now, and Obama's position is to let diplomacy take its course, and if we could do more with diplomacy better. For him, it's a shame that more people are dying, but he doesn't think that military force is the answer.

In that respect, he differs from some of the other Democrats, who would use Darfur as an example of when to use military force.

Obama would want to see more effort for multinational forces, but how that squares with his comments doesn't make sense - he's against using force, and peacekeepers would only be able to mop up the blood stained streets after the carnage is over.

Of course, note that my position is also that failed states are a safe haven for jihadi groups, terrorists, and are an ongoing and persistent threat to US national security. That goes for places like so much of the Middle East, Africa, Afghanistan, Warizistan, etc., including Darfur and Somalia. Our refusal to deal with those regions has and will come back to haunt us in years to come.

308 opnion  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:09:09pm

re: #28 WildcatFan

Thats what I think

309 merovign  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:09:19pm

re: #296 NoSubmission

John Keel, author of The Mothman Prophesies [skip the film/read the book if you care to]

I liked that movie, actually, from a creep-out POV... though to say it's based on the book is a dead liberty...

It helps if you can fast-forward through the long driving scenes in the middle. The portrayal of Indrid Cold was nicely weird, though obviously the book was meant as more of a chronicle than a story following one guy.

310 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:10:44pm

re: #296 NoSubmission

John Keel, author of The Mothman Prophesies [skip the film/read the book if you care to] used to run the Fortean meetings in Manhattan in the late 80s. Each month a small but dedicated group would meet for lectures on just about anything unusual. I miss those days.

The Mothman Prophesies is the scariest book I ever read. I was so thrilled when I heard they were going to make a movie about it & so disappointed when it did come out.

311 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:10:53pm

re: #299 tfc3rid

Forget building - think tanker trucks, ships offloading in NY harbor, etc. If that were a real live AT-4, it could have the potential to do real damage.

312 Atman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:11:02pm

re: #299 tfc3rid

The AT-4 might not be able to take out a plane but what kind of damage might it cause if fired upon a building?


Peruse this page...

313 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:11:05pm

The argument about genocide in Iraq is specious with respect to the American voter. The question in my mind isn't what happens to Iraqis when we leave.

It's where are we going to be fighting Al-Queda then Obama? You want it in Baghdad or NYC?

The "intellects" still haven't figured this out. They assume if we leave, everybody will return to their home country and the Shiites and Sunnis will fight it out for control. Three big problems with that libbie speculation:

(1) We abandon the Kurds again to be decimated;
(2) Israel will be left with another problem of our making;
(3) Al-Queda will be empowered and follow us home.

Idiots.

314 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:11:19pm

re: #305 EC Marm

Not a fan of Richard Gere?


Not really. Although I am glad that it put John Keel's book, The Mothman Prophesies on the bestseller list for a short bit. I am especially not a fan of films that have little to do with with the original true story.

315 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:11:20pm

re: #118 Just_A_Grunt

OT but this will warm your heart. DU posters call Kos Nazis.

Thanks Grunt. That did warm my heart for brief second then I felt sick to my stomach.

316 Dustyvet  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:11:24pm

re: #7 Dar ul Harb

Anyone missing a missile launcher?


Just put it in the Lost and Found Deparment next to the M1-A1 Abrams Tank that was turned in last week...:)

317 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:13:19pm

re: #310 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #296 NoSubmission

The Mothman Prophesies is the scariest book I ever read. I was so thrilled when I heard they were going to make a movie about it & so disappointed when it did come out.


Wow! You and I are on the same page here. That book absolutely changed my life. When I heard the movie was coming out and that they gave John Keel a fictional wife in the story, I knew it was going to stink.

318 Dustyvet  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:14:02pm

re: #313 goodbye_natalie

The argument about genocide in Iraq is specious with respect to the American voter. The question in my mind isn't what happens to Iraqis when we leave.

It's where are we going to be fighting Al-Queda then Obama? You want it in Baghdad or NYC?

The "intellects" still haven't figured this out. They assume if we leave, everybody will return to their home country and the Shiites and Sunnis will fight it out for control. Three big problems with that libbie speculation:

(1) We abandon the Kurds again to be decimated;
(2) Israel will be left with another problem of our making;
(3) Al-Queda will be empowered and follow us home.

Idiots.

Well stated thanks!

319 Salem  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:14:38pm

re: #305 EC Marm

re: #296 NoSubmission


The Mothman Prophesies [skip the film/read the book if you care to]


Not a fan of Richard Gere?

It's a pretty bad movie. I did some work for Sony on it (some of my art appears on the bonus disc of the special edition) but it's such a lame adaptation, I hesitate to brag about it. It would be a difficult book to do any justice to in the medium of film, although I'm satisfied I could do it. I have an animation/docudrama thing in mind.

320 Outrider  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:15:28pm

My bet is the tube being an extended surplus LAW. Made of fiberglass, they are not reusable. They also had a soldier printed on the side with instructions. They can be picked up at flea markets, surplus shops, gun shows, etc.

Somehow I can not imagine a terrorist dropping a fully functional AT4 on a suburban front lawn, much less actually firing from that lawn. There are much better and safer firing positions on that New Jersey flight path.

321 Ginn  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:16:18pm

It's pretty sad when we pay more attention to Obama than to our troops.

BAGHDAD - If the U.S. troop buildup in Iraq is reversed before the summer of 2008, the military will risk giving up the security gains it has achieved at a cost of hundreds of American lives over the past six months, the commander of U.S. forces south of Baghdad said Friday.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

They are the ones putting their lives on the line. Yet now they have to plead to let them finish the mission they began.

322 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:17:29pm

re: #319 Salem
Very cool! It would be a difficult film to adapt, but not impossible if there were people with vision out there who weren't trying to fictionalize and soften things for the mainstream. I'm very proud to have met and been friends with John Keel during the time that we had. We had many interesting conversations indeed!

323 Ben Hur  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:17:43pm

Relax.

It was a bong.

324 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:17:43pm

re: #320 Outrider
I use one for a fireworks launcher !Work great.

325 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:18:20pm
326 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:18:54pm

re: #323 Ben Hur

Relax.
It was a bong.


LOL! Ben Hur! How's little Ben Hur?

327 Maine's Michael  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:19:07pm
328 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:19:36pm

re: #317 NoSubmission

re: #310 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


re: #296 NoSubmission

The Mothman Prophesies is the scariest book I ever read. I was so thrilled when I heard they were going to make a movie about it & so disappointed when it did come out.


Wow! You and I are on the same page here. That book absolutely changed my life. When I heard the movie was coming out and that they gave John Keel a fictional wife in the story, I knew it was going to stink.

My parents moved to West Virginia when I was in college & I've always regretted no visiting the TNT plant or other Mothman sites, or other weird places in WV.

329 Salem  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:21:23pm

re: #322 NoSubmission

Wow, that's cool. I idolized him as a kid. Back then, I believed everything in the book. I even sought out his other books, which are impossible to find nowadays. He had such a great writing style that sucked you right in.

Opening paragraph of The Mothman Prophecies:

Fingers of lightning tore holes in the black skies as an angry cloud-burst drenched the surrealist landscape. It was 3AM on a cold, wet morning in late November 1967, and the little houses scattered along the dirt road winding through the hills of West Virginia were all dark. Some seemed unoccupied and in the final stages of decay. Others were unpainted, neglected, forlorn. The whole setting was like the opening scene of a Grade B horror film from the 1930's

Is he still alive? I know he was when the movie came out, but I think I heard about him passing away recently.

330 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:21:24pm

re: #328 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Never been there either, but I have an actual B&W photo of the Silver Bridge framed in my living room.

331 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:21:38pm

re: #282 Salem

Obama says:

since we can't go in to stop the genocide in every country it is occurring, then it's pointless to try it in Iraq.

A lot of people tried the argument "Since we can't fix everything, let's do nothing" for not going into Iraq in the first place.

But it is nonsense. Since I cannot feed the whole world, I shouldn't donate anything to charity? Plus, most didn't really mean this anyway, because it was only one of many different, sometimes conflicting arguments against action. Conflicting is the key point. It illustrates that they didn't much care about this idea or that, just not fighting back.

That being said, this particular genocide would be caused by our leaving, which is altogether different than genocides in Rwanda, Sudan, etc. We can't choose to just "not get involved" because we are involved.

And Obama knows this. He is advocating actions that would cause a genocide, saying that it is preferable.

Until the new government grows strong enough to protect its people, we must stay.

It is one thing to hear that children are starving in the slums of Venezuela and yet do nothing. It would be quite another to stop feeding your own foster child because 'you can't save everyone.'

That is what Obama is talking about.

332 brent  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:23:14pm

#313 Natalie...

I agree, with one addition... If you look at the recent news about the number of Saudis being involved with violence in Iraq and Afghanistan, how do you (other people) synch that up with the idea of them leaving Americans alone after we leave Iraq?

It's the jihad, stupid. It's easier to go to Iraq now, but before this, the same nice Saudies came to NYC. In case anyone has forgotten.

They're in Iraq to kill Americans first and to make it a safe haven second. Don't kid yourself that it has anything to do with the Iraqis - they're just living on the front lines. Or I'm totally wrong, which has happened before.

333 So?  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:24:31pm

re: #104 lawhawk

...someone was going after someone else's Hummer

/it's one way to stop gas guzzlers

334 Salem  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:24:51pm

The movie was actually okay on a certain level. It shouldn't have been called The Mothman Prophecies, though. The movie didn't even have the MiB in it. And a proper adaptation would have to be to period.

335 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:25:53pm

re: #329 Salem
I have all of his books. I wrote to him after I read Mothman and was astounded when I came home one night and he had left a msg on my answering machine. I still have that cassette. Saved it. It was a thrill beyond anything. Our first conversation was hours long. He was fascinated with my own true ghost story. Which through meeting him at my first Fortean meeting I met an editor/literary agent who published it for me in a two-volume true ghost story anthology published by Warner Books. He was the nicest man. Terrific sense of humor and endlessly fascinating. So glad I had the chance to know him. I think I'll read Mothman again.

336 lucius septimius  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:26:34pm

re: #327 Maine's Michael

Cheney will serve as acting president until such time as Bush, who will be under anesthesia, says he is ready to resume his duties, presidential spokesman Tony Snow told reporters.

"The president has had no symptoms" of cancer, said Snow

It's the coup d'etat! It's the coup d'etat! Oh no!

/ Koskid off

337 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:27:21pm

re: #334 Salem
No MiB's in the movie! What a colossal rip-off! Yes, it would have to be period. In my dreams, Orson Welles would play Keel.

338 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:27:27pm
339 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:27:36pm

re: #335 NoSubmission

re: #329 Salem
I have all of his books. I wrote to him after I read Mothman and was astounded when I came home one night and he had left a msg on my answering machine. I still have that cassette. Saved it. It was a thrill beyond anything. Our first conversation was hours long. He was fascinated with my own true ghost story. Which through meeting him at my first Fortean meeting I met an editor/literary agent who published it for me in a two-volume true ghost story anthology published by Warner Books. He was the nicest man. Terrific sense of humor and endlessly fascinating. So glad I had the chance to know him. I think I'll read Mothman again.

That's amazing! What is your ghost story?

340 Salem  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:29:10pm

re: #335 NoSubmission

Dang, I wish I'd tried to reach him. Never occurred to me for some reason.

341 Ben Hur  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:29:43pm

re: #326 NoSubmission


Great!

Thanks for asking!

He's like a little loaf of bread that eats, sleeps and shits.

342 lucius septimius  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:30:51pm

re: #338 buzzsawmonkey

No, they honestly don't think we'll have to fight them because of course if Hillarobamawards is president, the Musselmen will scramble to bow before them. These people have egos larger than the known universe -- they believe that the "enemy" will naturally become docile and "reasonable" when they see they are dealing with, well, people sooo smart and sooo clever.

343 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:33:14pm

re: #339 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That's amazing! What is your ghost story?


It is a classic poltergeist tale. Noises in the night. Haunted footsteps in my apartment. Banging on the walls. These sorts of phenomena tend to have patterns and mine, as I studied later [read Poltergeist by Colin Wilson -- or anything by Colin Wilson for that matter] followed suit. I saw the 'ghost' once and heard it many many times. The last of which is not to be believed but one night as I was about to fall asleep, I heard the very clear sound of huge chains rattling in my living room. My boyfriend and I shot up in bed simultaneously looked at each other and then heard very loud deep low agonizing moaning. I know it sounds crazy, but it happened. THere's more to it but it's a lot to type out.

344 So?  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:33:31pm

re: #161 lawhawk

Did it have a "Peace Scarf" beside it?

345 distwalker  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:33:36pm

Folks, this is probably not getting worked up over. Expended AT-4s are carried around as training devices by every infantry unit - active, Reserves and Guard. They are not controlled in arms rooms nor are they considered especially sensitive. Once about 20 years ago when I was a Reservist, one of our troops dropped an entire inert Claymore mine in a country park we were using as a training area. Nobody even noticed it missing until some civilian found it, alerted the Sheriff's department and they alerted the media. Then the feces hit the fan. Nothing like this of course, this was pre 9/11.

The bottom line: any dumb private could have stolen this harmless expended weapon and then ditched it when he was finished with it. This is a non-issue as far as I am concerned.

346 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:34:57pm

re: #338 buzzsawmonkey

The Democrats want us to fight Al Qaeda here, so that we have the home-court advantage.

Sir, you may be on to something here. Could it be that the dems are really strategic master minds? Maybe their sure that we would fight harder in our own backyards than in islam's. Maybe they really do want us to win this thing.

Naw... didn't think so.

347 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:35:07pm

re: #316 Dustyvet

re: #7 Dar ul Harb


Anyone missing a missile launcher?

Just put it in the Lost and Found Deparment next to the M1-A1 Abrams Tank that was turned in last week...:)

I wouldn't wipe my a$$ with an M1-A1.

Not with an M1-A2 available!

348 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:35:58pm

re: #340 Salem
I had no idea I could actually write to authors until I got my first job in publishing and wrote to John Keel never thinking I'd even get a reply.

I've been in touch with some of the greats, like Jacques Vallee who was the scientist they modeled Close Encounters of the Third Kind after, and Budd Hopkins the abduction guru, and some others like Ed Walters of the Gulf Breeze fame. All this was before the internet mind you. I was quite the letter writer.

349 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:37:26pm

re: #348 NoSubmission
Oh yes, and Linda Moulton Howe, one of my all time heroes.

350 lucius septimius  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:38:28pm

re: #343 NoSubmission

Fascinating -- what are the patterns?

I've had a couple experiences. The most disturbing involved staying at an old B&B when our youngest was a little over a year old. He was sleeping in a crib at the foot of the bed, and I woke up in the middle of the night to see what looked like a girl, 15 or 16, in a shift standing on tiptoe peering into the crib.

I've found that some of these, and at the memory of them, I get a tingling feeling at the back of my neck. I got it reading your story, which usually suggests to me it's for real. Don't ask me why, it's just a feeling. And not a pleasant one at that.

351 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:39:13pm
352 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:39:17pm

The "FIRE LIKE THIS" diagram on the tube reminds me of the "THIS SIDE TOWARD ENEMY" marking on claymores. LOL!

353 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:39:21pm

re: #343 NoSubmission

re: #339 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I know it sounds crazy, but it happened. THere's more to it but it's a lot to type out.

I believe you. I've never had a supernatural experience, but sitting around late night with my friends, they've told me a few pretty scary things that happened to them or their immediate family. Philadelphia is a haunted city.

354 Salem  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:40:56pm

re: #337 NoSubmission

Naw, the film does have some interesting photography. The director kind of goes overboard with the camera-tricks, but it's atmospheric enough. But it doesn't take the idea of a winged being seriously, treating it as a sort of a phantom/hallucinatory phenomenon. And it really only has a grain of the books basic premise, with a bunch of made-up characters that don't really mirror anyone from the book. Richard Gere plays a Washington Post reporter who is supposed to represent John Keel, I suppose, but John Keel, but it's a stretch, to say the least. Gere's character isn't merely an investigator in the movie (actually he's clearly portrayed as a left-wing political columnist) but someone who is central to the plot. It was Gere's idea to adapt the book, though it's hard to see how he expected the movie (a glorified X-Files episode is how most reviewers described it) to do it any justice.

355 Maine's Michael  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:41:35pm

What have we come to?

You can;t even have a missile launcher out in your yard without the whole country going apeshit.

356 So?  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:41:49pm

re: #183 Cognito

maybe the neighborhood is swarming with little old grannies, what better way to say "Stick 'em up!"

357 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:43:21pm

re: #351 buzzsawmonkey

I was, of course, kidding.

Yeah, but I think the "home court analogy" is a keeper.

A friend of mine is a lobbyist. He has stories to tell about the egos up their in Washington. He also says that the largest belongs to Pelosi by far. Explains a great deal, IMHO.

358 So?  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:43:56pm

They identified the Serial Number: 666

359 akak  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:45:16pm

test

360 So?  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:45:27pm

re: #355 Maine's Michael

I think missle launchers and satellite dishes go together like peas in a pod.

361 Salem  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:45:42pm

re: #348 NoSubmission

Wow, sounds like we kind of share that sense of wonder for the mysterious. By the time I was in my teens I'd decided that i didn't believe in any of that stuff (ufo's, ghosts, bigfoot, etcetera), yet it seems like my interest in it will never completely die.

362 So?  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:45:56pm

re: #359 akak

you passed! congratulations!

363 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:46:02pm

re: #350 lucius septimius
Ooh. that one gives me a tingle too. Spooky! I believe it. I've read thousands of accounts like this. I've amassed many libraries on these subjects and just bought a collection of British ghost books from 70s. The covers are truly delightful. Tours of haunted England. Haunted British towns, sites, pubs, churches etc.

The patterns in poltergeist cases are that the occurances tend to increase in number and intensity. Things can get worse very quickly, even violent. I was never really afraid but found that it was damaging to my psychic health overall when I am questioning reality all the time. Needless to say, I moved out. But I think that ghost is still there.

364 akak  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:47:22pm

Mogadishu style Ward?

365 Annelid[deleted]  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:48:37pm
366 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:49:13pm

re: #354 Salem
John Keel as a lefty WashPo reporter? I feel sick. Especially played by Gere. Oh man. Awful.
We never ever discussed politics of any sort back then. Orson Welles with a razor-sharp sense of humor would have suited his character better.

367 akak  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:49:39pm

So? 7/20/2007 12:45:56 pm PDT reply quote

re: #359 akak

you passed! congratulations!


thanks post dissappeared before, but actually refers too jihadis targetting slow fliers/cargo

368 Salem  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:49:42pm

I had an encounter with a phantom dog, once, but I'm pretty sure that in the environment I was in at the time played my imagination. I've been told that the story gives people the creeps when I tell it, though.

369 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:50:01pm
370 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:51:00pm

re: #361 Salem
I've been like this since I was a kid. I'll never change. I've seen too many things.

371 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:51:10pm

re: #363 NoSubmission

After I told my wife about it, we determined we wouldn't go back there again.

I spent much of last week reading accounts of demonic possession and exorcism from the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. Some of them were obviously bunk, but there were others that made you begin to wonder ...

Is the tingly feeling common?

372 spynverzyon  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:52:21pm

The N.J. rocket launcher is part of an Israeli plot to get Bush to bomb Jersey City as a diversion from a secret Mossad operation to sabotage steam-pipe tunnels in Manhattan as a cover for Jewish financial executives who are running money Likud to escape their offices unnoticed while Cheney orders his operatives to have Hillary's limo booted so that they can plant undocumented Latvian nannies in the trunk who will testify that when Chelsea was a prepubescent teen her mother used to...

373 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:54:40pm

re: #371 Lucius Septimius

re: #363 NoSubmission

After I told my wife about it, we determined we wouldn't go back there again.

I spent much of last week reading accounts of demonic possession and exorcism from the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. Some of them were obviously bunk, but there were others that made you begin to wonder ...

Is the tingly feeling common?

Do you ever watch the series "A Haunting" on The Discovery Channel? Very cool & scary stuff about hauntings & possessions.

374 cod_is_great  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:55:28pm

Made in Sweden.

Maybe Charles should start a new cynical recurring headline "Our Friends the Swedes".

I always see lots of headscarves at IKEA...Hmmm...

375 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:55:32pm
376 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:55:40pm
377 cygnus  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:55:44pm

re: #161 lawhawk

If that's true, somebody could stick some optics in it and make a really cool homemade telescope. That'll freak 'em out at the next star party!

378 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:57:09pm

re: #371 Lucius Septimius

Is the tingly feeling common?


Sounds harmless enough in some ways but yea, better to avoid 'bringing anything home'. I get that tingly feeling whenever I recount that story or hear something that really gets me. There's a very good program on the Discovery Channel call ' A Haunting'. They treat the topic with a sober respect. I appreciate that and it is SCARY!

379 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:58:50pm

Gonna leave work early today. Have a great weekend & play nice!

380 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 12:58:58pm

re: #373 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
YOU READ MY MIND!

381 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:01:18pm

re: #373 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #378 NoSubmission

Haven't seen it (no cable -- I won't pay to watch commercials) but I'll keep my eye out for it.

It's not good to dwell on such things, but once you've had an experience, it's hard to shake it.

382 Render  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:01:54pm

Did I hear a call for my expertise?

===

As many Lizards have already mentioned, the AT-4 M136, like the M72 LAW, is a shoulder-fired anti-tank rocket.

It can, in theory, be fired at aircraft, but it would be even more inaccurate than it already is. It would also be very dangerous to the user as, like all shoulder-fired recoilless type weapons, it generates a tremendous backblast of flame.

Al-Q trained Somalis fired RPG-7's at the helicopters of Blackhawk Down/Mogadishu by digging a large hole in the ground behind the firing position.

While the AT-4 has an official range of 1200+ meters, the maximum effective range for accuracy is between 250 and 550 meters.

===

De-milled, or otherwise rendered unfireable, AT-4's, M72 LAW's, and even COMBLOC RPG's are available to the general public as display items, but they aren't all that common.

None of the above are six feet long though. Even the old 2.36 inch and 3.5 inch bazookas were not six feet long. some foreign bazooka type weapons were close to six feet, but no US made or used shoulder fired MANPAC AT weapon is that long.

===

Almost all modern military weapons have some kind of pictograph use and firing instructions printed on them or available for them. This isn't entirely for the benefit of those who are trained to use those weapons. It's for the soldiers that may not have received such training but find themselves thrust by circumstances into such situations.

This is something that is happening almost daily in Iraq.

RUN WHAT
YA BRUNG,
R

383 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:06:34pm

BDVM, you are in one of the best cities in the world for that kind of stuff.

My own little snippet.

I was always skeptical, and perhaps still am.

Ouja board, high school, very, very unusual incident.

384 Carol Herman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:09:14pm

Well, if a terrorist doesn't live under the flight path; but wanted to "try a new approach," this launcher could have been put on a home owner's landscape; COUNTING ON THE HOME OWNER not noticing it.

Then? Once this got tried, it's not in the same category as a "non-issue." It falls, however, into "potential threat."

It could have also been put there by a Realtor. Who wants the home owner to become anxious enough, to sell.

Still, the home owner's response works to everyone's advantage. It points to the vulnerabilities out there.

Why IF there was an "accident?" You think our government would tell you terrorists, with a missile launcher fired and hit an airplane? Give me a break. The FBI is well versed in "move on, there's nothing here." But when it's pointed out to the G-Men that they, too, have been foiled, they revert to the "inert" defense.

I'm glad to see the eyes of many Americans work a whole lot better than what was available prior to 9/11. In New Jersey, yet. In other words, even in Blue States you have concerned citizens who are none too happy with the terrorists among us.

385 jordash1212  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:09:52pm

Hey I use that to blow up vehicles in America's Army! What's that doing in someone's yard?! Did the devs lose their model replica?

386 Code Red 21  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:10:57pm

It probably just got misplaced on the lady's lawn by a careless terrorist...maybe he/she/it has A.D.D. I hear you can get a SSI check for that condition...and if they're illegal immigrant's, gate crashers, they go to the head of the line.

387 markie  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:13:19pm

Anti-armor would make a marginal anti-air weapon. with 300m effective range, no guidance, and a shaped charge, if it even hit an aircraft, it would likely pass through before it went off. Would ruin a pilot's day never the less. No indication the tube even contained the rocket. Empty tubes are sold as curiosities. No reloads are on the market.

388 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:16:35pm

re: #372 spynverzyon

Don't laugh... I've been linked to some nutters who think that the steam explosion in Manhattan was a false flag op to test emergency response in time for the big one...

389 merovign  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:19:45pm

re: #383 formercorpsman

Ouja board, high school, very, very unusual incident.

I have to run now, sorry I missed out on most of the cool ghost talk, but...

Oujis? Oh, no. I learned very, very early not to call up what I cannot put down. You don't have to be a spiritualist not to open that cabin door when something is clawing and scratching at it. :)

390 wrathofasma  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:20:02pm

Wonder if we should send Ms. Besai this T-shirt.That is once an Islamic terror link is found.

391 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:22:29pm
392 yochanan  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:22:44pm

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn't a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there

THAT EXPAINS SLICK WILLIE AND RWANDA BUT WHAT ABOUT BOSNIA?

393 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:25:13pm

re: #383 formercorpsman

Would love to hear it even if you want to tell me off the board.

394 gringo  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:25:57pm

Damn! Talk about luck!
All I ever found on my front lawn were two dogs humping...

395 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:26:01pm
392 yochanan 7/20/2007 1:22:44 pm PDT reply quote

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn't a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there

THAT EXPAINS SLICK WILLIE AND RWANDA BUT WHAT ABOUT BOSNIA?

Yeah...there has to be absolutely no American interest involved for use of American military forces to be considered 'legitimate' by the left...self haters, all.

396 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:26:09pm

re: #389 merovign

Oujis? Oh, no. I learned very, very early not to call up what I cannot put down. You don't have to be a spiritualist not to open that cabin door when something is clawing and scratching at it. :)

I could not agree more.

397 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:27:11pm

re: #390 wrathofasma

Wonder if we should send Ms. Besai this T-shirt.That is once an Islamic terror link is found.


That is FUNNY.

398 yochanan  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:28:15pm

re: #345 distwalker

it would really depend on when it was fired and thus made relitively useless what if it was fired in place and just left there?

399 daughter of patriots  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:28:38pm

re: #65 Cognito

re: #56 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

This has all the underpinnings of a CAIR set up.

Plant a useless 'weapon' on someone who may or may-not be a muslim,
and wait for all the anti-islamic-backlash to start. Then they sue some
one.

Ha, yeah. The only problem is the potentially Muslim lady called the cops right away.


I love the way God always has the upper hand to Stan, who's leashed on a tether that only goes so far! Heh, to you CAIR!

400 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:31:30pm

I know earthquakes are fairly rare in NYC, but they do happen, and it'll be unpleasant to be walking the streets when steam lines start blowing.


I suppose if enough steam lines do rupture, they'll bleed down fairly quickly.


Not sure about the water lines that run from the Catskills as seen in that "Die Hard" sequel with Samuel L Jackson. Not sure what kind of valves they have, but assuming the Catskills are at significantly higher elevation that lower Manhattan, the head alone might get some pretty spectacular water geysers going.

401 bulwrk  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:37:10pm

re: #394 gringo

Be thankful you don,t live in West Hollywood.

402 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:37:56pm

re: #400 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Ed, I work on projects involving the NYC water tunnels and aqueducts and you don't wanna know...

403 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:42:00pm

re: #389 merovign

Well, you know that young alpha male bravado, high school years, etc.

404 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:42:05pm

re: #402 tfc3rid
I don't want to know either. It's my worst nightmare.

405 NY Nana  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:42:40pm

Drive by post..I don't know if this has been posted, but it was a dud...

[...]Police say the device, believed to be about 20 years old, posed no hazard. It may have been used for anti-tank training.[...]

406 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:43:19pm

That being said, if you're interested, drop me an email... It's really interesting...

407 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:45:23pm

re: #405 NY Nana

Yeah, it may be a dud, but why was it in the front yard?

408 bosforus  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:47:47pm

U.S. to lift ban on lighters on airline flights

WTF?
of all the things to lift a ban on they decide that lighters are best choice? how about lifting the ban on toothpaste or sun screen or any number of the non fire starting fluids!

409 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:48:08pm

re: #408 bosforus

Lighters can't hurt anyone... Come on...

410 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:55:26pm

re: #393 NoSubmission

OK, I'll do my best.

Was sleeping over at a friend's house for the night.

Him, (11th grade) and his younger sister (9th grade) were allowed each a friend to sleep over, (I lived in the country, no car, not much fun)

His parents were out for the night, dinner, expect to be back around midnight or so. We're watching tv, he asks if I want to play with the ouja board? Being a catholic boy, and not knowing more than past experince, to stay away from the evil eye, I said "sure"

We were asking stupid, high school stuff, prom, girls, etc. We did this for about 1 - 1.5 hours, and I didn't think much of it. Did not impress me to say the least.

His younger sister liked me, and asked if I wanted to play it with her. Not wanting to be a jerk, I said ok, and more of the same drivel/questioning ensued for about another half hour. Again, still not very impressed.

Being a little cocky, knowing i was ready to start watching TV agin, I asked out loud, "Do you have anything to say to us before we are done"?

You know, kind of like one last chance, Mr. Badass.

Sure as shit, this thing went to straight to yes, no hesitation.

I looked at her, she looks at me, and I'm still skeptical, I say to spell out what it has to say.

411 LTC8K6  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:57:03pm

"If it's an AT-4 as reported elsewhere, I don't think it poses much of a threat to aircraft. It'd be hard to hit one with such a weapon, although it is technically possible."

Shouldn't be too hard to hit an airliner with it if you can get near a runway, actually.

412 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:59:10pm

Going to each letter, making each word clear, sure as shit, no hesitation.

How

do

I

die?

I can only imagine the feedback I will get for posting this, but to my grave, I know it was not myself, nor her, that was doing that.

413 distwalker  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:03:11pm

re: #398 yochanan

I don't know. Maybe the person who had it decided to ditch it and just tossed it out a car window. Maybe some vet took it home and his kid was playing army with it and dropped it.

Maybe it is something bigger than that, I don't know. I am just saying that these used tubes are really nothing more than fiberglass pipes. They are not controlled like viable weapons. Maybe there is more to this than meets the eye, but it could just as easily be nothing at all.

414 distwalker  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:06:53pm

re: #412 formercorpsman

I know it was not myself, nor her, that was doing that.

At least not consciously doing it.

415 Maximu§  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:07:12pm

re: #411 LTC8K6

"If it's an AT-4 as reported elsewhere, I don't think it poses much of a threat to aircraft. It'd be hard to hit one with such a weapon, although it is technically possible."

Shouldn't be too hard to hit an airliner with it if you can get near a runway, actually.

Your correct, in my 4 years as a 19D, Ive fired LAWS, Dragons, TOWS and hitting a jet coming in at over 150mph would take some serious skill...talk about kentucky windage.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

416 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:07:23pm

re: #251 Ginn

This is extremely frightening. We knew there was a possibility of a person or persons getting their hands on such a weapon and now we have proof. Thank God that no plane was shot down.

Ginn


Ginn, the empty tube is just a tube. No explosives, no propellant, and I would hazard to guess that the firing mechanism for the propellant charge is mostly destroyed when the rocket is fired. The AT-4 is a one-time use, throw-away weapon. Anyone with enough knowledge to build/acquire a rocket with which to reload it, and make it work, could likely also fabricate the tube itself.

My best guess is that the tube was obtained legitimately as a curio from the surplus market, and either left there intentionally as a probe of responses, or else was dropped there by some kid who B&E'd a collector's house, got chased, and ditched it to speed his getaway.

If one of those puppies had been fired in that neighborhood, a lot of folks would have been wakened up.

417 Solomon2  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:08:19pm

I remember a doctor telling me a few years ago about a group of Afghan physicians or administrators operating out of a Monmouth hospital he thought could cause trouble one day. I poo-poohed it at the time, but after the attacks in Britain earlier this month and today's incident it all came back to me...this really sucks.

418 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:10:03pm

re: #414 distwalker

Hey, I posted it, knowing I would catch some heat.

No problem.

419 NY Nana  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:11:34pm

re: #407 tfc3rid

Some asshole who thought it was funny, or someone with a gripe against the homeowner?

OT: live, on the local ABC channel..the pipe that caused all the chaos in NYC? Con Ed had examined it just hours before. Knowing Con Ed? They probably screwed up.

420 NY Nana  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:12:32pm

re: #416 Alberta Oil Peon

I'm with you.

421 Rednek  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:12:35pm

The M136 is may favorite weapon next to the SAW when playing Armed Assault. Takes about 3 shots to take out a T72. They suck agaist helicopters and other aircraft, though. They don't home in like a Stinger.

422 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:14:46pm

re: #419 NY Nana

I'm sure Con Ed did something...

That's not a shock... They are having one terrific year!

423 NY Nana  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:15:02pm

re: #400 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Ed, all the info on the system...

424 distwalker  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:15:10pm

re: #418 formercorpsman

My brother had one of the things. He and his buddies were absolutely convinced that the thing worked and they believed it. They showed me and it provided similar response to yours gave me the creeps. It bothered me for days. It bothered me so much, I devised tests. I got my brother and his buddy to try it blind folded. All we got was random movements. I would ask questions when they were out of the room and then they would come in and put their hands on it. Nothing. I am convinced it is subconscious, involuntary movement. That is why it takes two people who can see what they are doing. It is a toy, nothing more. Just my opinion.

425 NY Nana  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:17:12pm

re: #422 tfc3rid

Aren't they delightful? They really put the Con in Con Edison.

426 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:17:15pm

Ed and NY Mama...

I could tell you guys a lot about the system... It's my life's work...

427 tfc3rid  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:17:50pm

re: #425 NY Nana

Especially when I get my electric bills... Yikes! Where the hell does all that $$ go?

428 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:18:39pm

re: #424 distwalker

To be honest, your opinion is not far from my own.

I am very skeptical, not a UFO guy, no bigfoot, etc.

But I can say, to pull it off in the third person, and to ask a question back such as that, well, again, I just happen to think it was well beyond the level of unconscious wit to respond with that.

429 kansas  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:19:35pm

Move along folks. Nothing to see here. Definitely not terrorist related. Of course I haven't seen it, nor do I have a fucking clue about the issue, but since when does that make any difference?

430 Atman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:20:02pm

re: #366 NoSubmission
Have you seen this...

431 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:20:44pm

re: #412 formercorpsman
That is pretty interesting. Thanks for sharing it. I'm sure it must have put a bit of a fright in you guys, being so young and all.

432 NoSubmission  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:24:41pm

re: #430 Atman
Wow. Thanks so much . I want to go! Definitely not into vampires like that girl in that article, but I'd go just to see him again. This is incredible.

433 distwalker  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:25:09pm

re: #428 formercorpsman

I hear you. On the other hand...

If I ever see the pointer slide around the board with no hands on it, I will be impressed. If my brother would have got the thing to answer in Latin or Hebrew, I would be impressed. If the thing gave answers that nobody in the room could possibly have knowledge of, I would be impressed.

In any case, how the heck did Parker Brothers attain the patent on a portal to the netherworld?

434 Atman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:25:37pm

...;-)

435 republic  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:28:34pm

I'll bet it was the Amish who left that missile in that yard, but the msm will sweep it all right under the rug.

"Nothing to see here folks, it's got nothing to do with Amishofascist terrorism."

/

436 Three Hundred  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:39:25pm

re: #398 yochanan

re: #345 distwalker

it would really depend on when it was fired and thus made relitively
useless what if it was fired in place and just left there?

Someone would have heard/felt it. According to the spec link posted in the update, the thing has a 100m blowback when fired.

437 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:39:56pm

re: #433 distwalker

re: #428 formercorpsman

In any case, how the heck did Parker Brothers attain the patent on a portal to the netherworld?

OOOH! Conspiracy theory just waiting to be assembled. Wonder how long it's on Wikipedia?

438 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:42:51pm

PIMF

Wonder how long until it's on Wikipedia?

439 distwalker  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:48:27pm

re: #436 Three Hundred

That's right. They sound like a huge bomb going off. A large explosion propels the round from the tube. If it was a rocket engine, it would set the firer aflame. There is an "earth shattering kaboom" when they are fired. Loud. Windows would shake. Huge flash of light. Fire 15 feet long. There is no way anybody could fire an AT4 in a residential neighborhood unnoticed.

440 Outrider  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 2:53:47pm

re: #320 Outrider

My bet is the tube being an extended surplus LAW. Made of fiberglass, they are not reusable. They also had a soldier printed on the side with instructions. They can be picked up at flea markets, surplus shops, gun shows, etc.

Somehow I can not imagine a terrorist dropping a fully functional AT4 on a suburban front lawn, much less actually firing from that lawn. There are much better and safer firing positions on that New Jersey flight path.


Ooooppps. Went back and read the story and it in fact being an AT-4. That should teach me to read the story instead of the "down and dirty" version. -sigh-

441 NY Nana  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 3:09:49pm
442 Mardukhai  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 3:16:37pm

According to news reports, the rocked now appears to be an expended AT-4 launcher.

The AT-4 is a disposable launcher and not designed to be reloaded. Training videos show soldiers immediately throwing the expended launcher away. Therefore, at this time, this incident appears to be little more than a headline-seeking prank by someone with access to a training base.

443 Mardukhai  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 3:21:19pm

Re my own #442 --

Oooops. It's a rocket, not a rocked.

444 Egfrow  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 3:48:50pm

Update: Investigators said it had already been fired.

I wonder if they can tell when it was fired and where.

445 docremulac  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 3:50:33pm

ROP with RPGs = big problem.

446 yochanan  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 3:56:44pm

It has a serial # i am sure they are tracing were it came from.

this reminds me of a event that happened when i was a army brat living on ft. benning. I found a ammo box of live 50 cal. rounds which i foolishly brought home my mother called the MP'S who responed very quickly. since the ammo box had a serial # as well you can be sure some one got his ass chewed out or worse.

447 deltafox  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 4:06:21pm

Ahhh...Jersey City, once referred to as a "Beehive for terrorists" by FoxNews.

JC has a large Arab/Muslim population. Don't forget, Sheik Omar Abdul Rachman, the blind cleric mastermind behind the 1993 WTC bombings lived and had his mosque in Jersey City. It is still there.

Can you say bzzz?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

448 GreenDroll  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 4:07:54pm

Those interested in TWA Flight 800 should read First Strike - TWA Flight 800 and the Attack On America by Jack Cashill and James Sanders.
Several of my friends were flying sub patrols that evening and mentioned that weirdness was in the air that night. Cashill and Sanders pose a plausible explanation for the events of that tragic evening that ties in with all the reported evidence.
Just don't piss off the Clinton's and get on a airplane if one of them is in power.

449 Egfrow  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 4:10:00pm

The location the rocket was found was 88 Nelson Ave, is only 1.7 miles from the Masjid Al-Salaam Mosque located at 2824 Kennedy Blvd. It was only two turns into the neighborhood. I will look for the Buddhists temple next just in case.

450 MisterCookie  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 4:29:11pm

That's not a missile launcher! Its a...uh...its a...peace launcher! That's it! Comes free with the purchase of a peace scarf!

451 missouri boy  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 4:29:14pm

re: #444 Egfrow

Update: Investigators said it had already been fired.

I wonder if they can tell when it was fired and where.

Be interesting to know when and where. Will that info ever be released , is the question.

452 Egfrow  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 4:39:02pm

Across the street of the house where the Rocket was found are lot's of tree's and brush. At the bottom right of the map that is an Elementary School.

453 de La Valette  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 4:43:50pm

OT, but there hasn't been a non-technical thread in awhile and I'm not sure if everyone reads the technical threads.

I need a link to list of Americans (passport holders) killed in Israel by terrorism, I need to specifically exclude those serving with the IDF.

454 MilkOfMalfeasance  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 4:52:12pm

re: #267 allah this

re: #232 MilkOfMalfeasance

Shoulder Mounted Missile of Peace?

Eurojectile?

LOL

455 threecoloursblue  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 5:10:05pm

Niranjani is a sanskrit name, therefore Hindu or Buddist. Besai is probably tribal.

456 UncleSam  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 6:44:35pm

re: #106 zombie

re: #44 Wm T Sherman


OT

Fake-looking video of soldier confessing to atrocities:

[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

Anyone have information on this? People are making a big deal out of it in some quarters.


That video is 100% fake.

Guaranteed. Made by moonbats to defame the troops. Every word is scripted. Totally obvious.

The giveaway is the weaselly high-pitched nasal voice of the moonbat videographer. No actual soldier speaks like that.

Actually, General George Patton had a high-pitched nasal voice. Saw some film with sound of him speaking on the History Channel, and it was very surprising.
Not exactly weaselly sounding, though.

457 Shr_Nfr  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 6:51:52pm

The commentary on it is that it is a useless AT-4 was apparently 20 years old. Somehow, even Al Qaeda or the Jersey City crowd is not so stupid as to get rid of something useful. I would put this one into the prank category rather than the threat category.

btw. Charles you should have Qaeda in your spelling dictionary. It probably gets used a lot.

458 Wookieelips  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 6:55:46pm

Oh thank God it wasn't a ham steak!

459 formercorpsman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 7:28:08pm

re: #433 distwalker

Sorry, went out to dinner with the family, that is why I didn't respond earlier.

As for Parker Bros, I am sure they are in with Proctor & Gambil, and the degrees of Kevin Bacon. It's in there somewhere.

I understand the cynical aspect, all I can relate is what I experienced.

I have had a couple of weirod things in life with no explanation, so in life I do have some things I am willing to take either on faith or assumption but still hold to the notion of believing none of what you here, and only half of what you see.

460 RobCon  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 9:03:01pm

Missile launcher has turned up in the front lawn of a house in New Jersey.
Move along; nothing to see here.

461 SPartanWoman  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 10:57:49pm

re: #451 missouri boy

re: #444 Egfrow


Update: Investigators said it had already been fired.

I wonder if they can tell when it was fired and where.


Be interesting to know when and where. Will that info ever be released , is the question.


Somewhere near kennedy airport would be my guess...a few years back...didn't someone suggest they saw a rocket down that plane?

462 loggiedog  Sun, Jul 22, 2007 6:14:04am

#52
Isn't the CEO of JetBlue David Neeleman, or is he now just the President of the company?

In either case, JetBlue should have done its due diligence before giving Kos free tickets. Another blunder for JetBlue.


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