AS if any real questions will be asked of these tools for the oterh side(s).

Mark my words, the only miltary-related questions at this 'debate" will be about gays in the military and about how fast we can bug out of Iraq.

The tap dance might be interesting.

But I'm tired of it, and I can't bear the lies any more. So, even if the question were asked, I won't be watching it.

It is not surprising to find that Chris Hedges and Laila Al-Arian are keeping company. When you roll in s*** you all smell the same.

Who was his source, "Scott Thomas?"

OH goodie.. will Jimmuh be there to get us all to hold hands and sing "we are the world" ?

Hatriots

It would be tempting to watch if tough questions as suggested would be asked. But even then, the non-answers would be too tough to take.

Does anyone know of a good fisking of this? I have some liberal drones that are shoving this in my face, and I can't stomach it enough to refute it myself.

I hear they read Harry Potter too.

Isn't it cool when weather systems move in weirod directions, like the storm in New York that is moving Northwest?

Suggested Reading:
Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left

Link for # 12

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

The "media" thinks that a Dem administration will further empower their left wing anti-American agenda.

There's a Democrat Debate tonight? ha! who knew? LOL

re: #10 Peacekeeper

I hear they read Harry Potter too.

They may have read it, but they didn't get it. Liberals are a bunch of Cornelius Fudges.

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When did the definition of 'progressive' change to 'angry ex hippies who stopped thinking and lost their only watch in 1972'?

This is misleading and you know it. The comment on DailyKos did not in any way reflect the majority view and it was removed. The Nation is leftist and is anti Israel. But The Nation is not DailyKos. If you want to maintain your credibility you must report honestly. Authenticity is what is needed. Authenticity exposes the anti Israel rant as stupid and against all principals of progressive policy. But conflating DailyKos and The Nation is profoundly dishonest.

Which lefties are running tonight's debate?

re: #9 thedopefishlives

Respond? Just tell the the shitbirds you do not debate left wing propaganda with irrational left wing snot nosed shitbirds.

So far the only thing the Dems have debated is who to throw under the bis.

Dear Katrina
Suggestion: try publishing a magazine people actually want to read.

Michelle Malkin suggests that the Democrat candidates at tonight’s debate should be asked why they’re attending the YearlyKos convention

Charles should award a flying pig if anything even CLOSE to this kind of question is asked.

GAZE

I think that guy with the gawsh-awful Boston accent who subs for Hewitt is correct- the Nation will reveal that an internal investigation has proven all of Scott Thomas' reports as completely accurate, but no corroborating evidence can be released to protect the anonymity of their sources on the ground witnessing and even participating in the atrocities on the ground.

re: #18 experiencedtraveller

When did the definition of 'progressive' change to 'angry ex hippies who stopped thinking and lost their only watch in 1972'?

QFT

I haven't read the whole thing yet, but here's an interesting point:

we sent queries to organizations dedicated to US troops and their families, including Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the antiwar groups Military Families Speak Out, Veterans for Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War and the prowar group Vets for Freedom.

That's not the way to conduct an investigation like this. You should only look in organizations that are neutral in the pro/anti war debate. If you start looking in organizations that are specifically against the war, it really shouldn't be surprising when you get horrific reports of how the war is going.

re: #19 sandrine

This is misleading and you know it. The comment on DailyKos did not in any way reflect the majority view and it was removed. The Nation is leftist and is anti Israel. But The Nation is not DailyKos. If you want to maintain your credibility you must report honestly. Authenticity is what is needed. Authenticity exposes the anti Israel rant as stupid and against all principals of progressive policy. But conflating DailyKos and The Nation is profoundly dishonest.

Screw 'Em!

It must be so frustrating for our media elites to be caught so often in compromising positions, when in the "golden age" of liberal dominated media they could do, say, act anyway they pleased without repercussion. Living where I do its obvious to anyone with eyes and half a brain that the hippy remnants have dropped any pretense of supporting our hero soldiers, and they just don't understand the new world order, in the old days if they whined or cried and threw enough temper tantrums they would get their way. sorry lefty, not any more!. at every step there will be patriots stepping up to expose your lying manipulating hatred of america andy you will do what you have always done. Cry "racists" or "warmonger" and then then run away and pout when you don't get what you want. A new era is dawning and the shame of the 60's era defeatists will finally be put to rest

re: #27 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I'd like to see Dean Barnett get his own show. He's sharp.

re: #11 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

We've just had a system go through Iowa that moved NE to SW.

re: #27 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Ed, that's The New Republic.

The Nation is trafficing in a different smear.

Not, at this point, that anyone's counting. I'm just trying to keep my various scandals straight.

Anybody smell sardines?

I can't keep The Nation and the New Republic straight. If only they had bong picture centerfolds, I wouldn't be able to tell them apart from High Times and Mother Jones.

Harvard Divinity School gives birth to a partnership with Islamic Jihad.

Thanks academe. You're always looking out for our best interests.

The guys I talked to from Iraq said that the Army counts every bullet issued before and after every patrol and the soldiers have to account for every one. Maybe that was a lie.

re: #19 sandrine

But conflating DailyKos and The Nation is profoundly dishonest.

Actually, conflating the very left wing and the very VERY VERY left wing is an understandable human condition. At issue is only which entity is merely "very left wing", and which is "very VERY VERY left wing". After a while it all starts to run together. At one point or another either could be either.

re: #29 cmancone

I haven't read the whole thing yet, but here's an interesting point:

we sent queries to organizations dedicated to US troops and their families, including Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the antiwar groups Military Families Speak Out, Veterans for Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War and the prowar group Vets for Freedom.

That's not the way to conduct an investigation like this. You should only look in organizations that are neutral in the pro/anti war debate. If you start looking in organizations that are specifically against the war, it really shouldn't be surprising when you get horrific reports of how the war is going.

More importantly, it has been proven time and again that "anti-war" groups are more than willing to send you a source who is not who he or she claims to be who will spin you a nice tale that any real military guy will tell you is arrant bullshyte.

re: #27 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I think that guy with the gawsh-awful Boston accent who subs for Hewitt is correct- the Nation will reveal that an internal investigation has proven all of Scott Thomas' reports as completely accurate, but no corroborating evidence can be released to protect the anonymity of their sources on the ground witnessing and even participating in the atrocities on the ground.

From the Department of Bad Proof Reading Department.

re: #19 sandrine

This is misleading and you know it. The comment on DailyKos did not in any way reflect the majority view and it was removed. The Nation is leftist and is anti Israel. But The Nation is not DailyKos. If you want to maintain your credibility you must report honestly. Authenticity is what is needed. Authenticity exposes the anti Israel rant as stupid and against all principals of progressive policy. But conflating DailyKos and The Nation is profoundly dishonest.

Horseshit. The majority of Kos Kidz believe this, but putting it up in a diary, rather than just in the comments, exposes them to too much visibility, when they're trying to take over the DNC, and maintain a veneer of credibility.

Notice who wrote this article: Chris Hedges

Ah, so then it's a work of fiction.

Chris Hedges is scum.

re: #19 sandrine

On the part of Koz, it was a big fat in-your-face Freudian slip*

* Freudian slip- an inadvertent mistake in speech or writing that is thought to reveal a person's unconscious motives, wishes, or attitudes.

BTW- I would never vote for Hillary...even if my life depended on it.

re: #19 sandrine

In to ornithology? Or are you just an amusing subject to be studied?

re: #35 Dar ul Harb

Anybody smell sardines?

I was just going to screw up the nic and reply but you beat me to it. Looking at former posts, I think its Rosie O.

Remember the fake Ranger Jesse whathisface? Making up gruesome atrocities to get laid by gullible hippie chicks.

re: #7 Peacekeeper

Nice one.

re: #17 Peacekeeper

Does this apply to magazines like The American Spectator, Reason, and The Weekly Standard? Does not seem fair. The Post Office should be charging the same postage for the same service.

The angry Left is getting crazier by the minute. Over at the the Lefty blog ThinkProgress they consider David Gregory to be, as one commentor put it, "a brown nose groupie... of the right".

And Chris Mathews, everyone knows that he's just a neo-con suck up.

From the link:

Many also heard such stories, in detail, from members of their unit

Those are called "War Stories". They tend to be embellished a bit (understatement), even in the first person. They take on a life of their own.

LLL's who have never served really fall for this crap (especially the gals).

.

none other than the daughter of Islamic Jihad kingpin Sami Al-Arian, Laila Al-Arian. Nice company they’re keeping at The Nation.

TOTALITARIANS OF THE WORLD, UNITE !

re: #19 sandrine

Authenticity exposes the anti Israel rant as stupid and against all principals of progressive policy.

And what the hell is this "progressive policy" you speak of anyway?
Leftists haven't 'progressed' in more then a half century and today they are actually regressing.

#50 Ringo the Gringo

Simply a matter of Moonbatology. If someone doesn't accept the troofers, they must be a Zionist Reactionary in their worldview.

re: #35 Dar ul Harb

Anybody smell sardines?

Left under the couch cushion for six weeks.

re: #49 DanThePainter

re: #17 Peacekeeper

Does this apply to magazines like The American Spectator, Reason, and The Weekly Standard? Does not seem fair. The Post Office should be charging the same postage for the same service.

Dan
Never heard of a BIG MEDIA SCHEME to rip off small circulation magazines (aside from this one). NR will ask for donations but they come right out and say that they are small reader base and depend on donors. They don't bitch about corporations out to get them.

What the hell is the military about? It's about making more people die for THEIR COUNTRY than we have die for ours. To remove life in the most efficient means possible. I'm down with that. It's the 'warrior-class' that keeps the journalist asshats free to write, and the artsy types to be artsy. Without the 'warrior-class' no other 'classes' would have the luxury to exist.

A few bad eggs in the military? Heck...I bet the US Post Office has more 'bad eggs' that go nutso and cap people.

"Just miles from your home, young men are given guns & trained to kill. The government calls it 'The Army,' but we think a more alarmist name would be 'The Kill-Bot Factory.' "
/best Kent Brockman imitation.

I only learned fairly recently that there is a decades long working relationship between islamist terror groups and leftists. For instance: that the beider meinhof gang trained and conspired with the Palestinian terror groups. It was a related group, the Red Army Faction in Germany who did the stake out work and security evaluation and reconnaissance at the Munich Olympics in preparation for the Munich massacre.

9-11 only re-awakened and solidified a decades old working relationship.

All I want for Christmas is for the Dem's to be asked about this tonight. Please, oh pretty please Santa. I will be good. I will clean my room and walk the dog everyday.

It was really just a matter of time before the troops started to be demonized.
I cannot say that these veterans are not being truthful since they were there not me.
But it does feel a little like Kerry's Winter Soldier Project. Oh man all kinds of terrible genocidal charges by Viet Nam veterans,. Turns out that a bunch of these guys were either not in combat, or not in Viet Nam and many never even in the military.
That did not stop Kerry from presenting it all as indisputable facts.

what would make the libs happy? that we get rid of the military completely. will these idiots ever figure out, that but for our military, their little self indulgent happy go lucky party is over.

At The New Republic, they are officially still "investigating" and I have no idea at this point when (or whether) they will publicly acknowledge the challenges raised by the military's public affairs officer or by the milblogging community in general.

The next paper issue goes to press late Thursday night, so I assume that the editors will be debating among themselves as to what kind of statement they want to make (if any) in the magazine. But I will be listening attentively for any hints dropped...

re: #53 DesertSage

And what the hell is this "progressive policy" you speak of anyway?

Great question and would love to hear the answer. But chances are slim, I suppose.

Chris Hedges? He was the asshole who got demolished in a debate with Christopher Hitchens a couple months ago:

zombietime: The Hitchens-Hedges Debate

I got up close and personal with Hedges. What a jerk he was.

Read the transcript (halfway down the page) of Hitchens thrashing Hedges. Sweet.

Wow.

And the REAL psyco death-cult is right in front of them (islam).

The world is truly upside down. I have a large leather-bound book that warned us of this from long ago.

#66 zombie:

Chris Hedges? He was the asshole who got demolished in a debate with Christopher Hitchens a couple months ago:

Didn't he also get booed off the stage a few years ago when he gave a commencement address somewhere which he of course delivered an an America-hating rant?

Michelle Malkin has done some digging and thinks she might have come across the person who posted these stories initially.

Corey Mitchell? Whoever it is, they've got quite a bit of explaining to do.

re: #68 buzzsawmonkey

re: #67 astronmr20

The world is truly upside down. I have a large leather-bound book that warned us of this from long ago.

The Necronomicon, by the mad Arab Abdul Al-Hazred?

HAHAHA!

Not quite.

re: #63 nyc redneck

what would make the libs happy? that we get rid of the military completely. will these idiots ever figure out, that but for our military, their little self indulgent happy go lucky party is over.

Exactly. They 'the libs' feel that since they were the 'driving force' to remove the military and make America fall, that the enemy who invades will put them (the libs) on a pedestal and give them a place of power. Well, they will be executed just like everyone else...

The Democrat Party, whose hardcore brought the United States a Civil War and whose liberal members would have been satisfied if the United States lost or abandoned it.

re: #49 DanThePainter

re: #17 Peacekeeper

Does this apply to magazines like The American Spectator, Reason, and The Weekly Standard? Does not seem fair. The Post Office should be charging the same postage for the same service.

It's probably a matter of scale:

1-20 magazines/magazine-sized thingies = $x per item
20-100 magazines/magazine-sized thingies = $x-.01
100-500 magazines/magazine-sized thingies = $x-.02
500-2000 magazines/magazine-sized thingies = $x-.03

and so on. The difference in circulation may simply mean the difference between one rate and the other.

Slightly OT ,,, but

BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) - Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said Monday his group possesses an arsenal of rockets that can reach all of Israel, including Tel Aviv.
"We could absolutely reach any corner and any point in occupied Palestine," Nasrallah said in excerpts of an from his heavily guarded underground hiding place interview with Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera.

There ,,, I fixed it

This is winter soldier 2.0.

re: #63 nyc redneck

what would make the libs happy? that we get rid of the military completely. will these idiots ever figure out, that but for our military, their little self indulgent happy go lucky party is over.

Exactly!

re: #72 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #63 nyc redneck

what would make the libs happy? that we get rid of the military completely. will these idiots ever figure out, that but for our military, their little self indulgent happy go lucky party is over.

Exactly. They 'the libs' feel that since they were the 'driving force' to remove the military and make America fall, that the enemy who invades will put them (the libs) on a pedestal and give them a place of power. Well, they will be executed just like everyone else...

they will probably be executed first. the enemy won't respect their stupidity and weakness.

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and what people in Europe and Québec believing in the "war on cults or sects" are doing and thinking ..."

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/mainstream-arific!

re: #78 nyc redneck

re: #72 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #63 nyc redneck

what would make the libs happy? that we get rid of the military completely. will these idiots ever figure out, that but for our military, their little self indulgent happy go lucky party is over.

Exactly. They 'the libs' feel that since they were the 'driving force' to remove the military and make America fall, that the enemy who invades will put them (the libs) on a pedestal and give them a place of power. Well, they will be executed just like everyone else...

they will probably be executed first. the enemy won't respect their stupidity and weakness.

Sad thing is is that we the 'good guys' will lose/and are losing lives in defending these lib idiots.

you are the company that you keep...unless you have a pretty darn good reason

One of the sad pieces of collateral damage that a free society, with an all-volunteer army, provides is the fact that completely vapid mental incompetents like these are allowed to spew their idiocy unabated.

The same military that delivers their gift-wrapped right to speak freely is the one they gleefully defecate upon in a heartbeat.

The moral, logical, historical, and humanist high ground lies destroying the enemy in Iraq, establishing liberty, democracy and stable functional government and society.

Since they left cannot argue the purpose, and have lost the method arguments, they cannot get supportable bills through Congress.

They are left with demonizing the men and women accomplishing the task and then tainting the entire effort with the "evil" of those executing the war.

Yelling "Baby Killer" is the last desperate tactic of the Left.

ON TO VICTORY!
Victory over the enemy of Liberty within.
Victory over the enemy of Liberty outside.

re: #53 DesertSage

re: #19 sandrine

Authenticity exposes the anti Israel rant as stupid and against all principals of progressive policy.

And what the hell is this "progressive policy" you speak of anyway?
Leftists haven't 'progressed' in more then a half century and today they are actually regressing.

It is a 150 year old economic and political philosophy that has failed miserably each and every time and place it's been applied, with the 'side effect' of getting (hundreds of) millions of innocent people slaughtered. It's called Marxism.
Care to debate that sand-latrine?

re: #80 Oh no...Sand People!

worst case scenario for the traitors when the crap hits the fan, we leave them outside the castle/compound walls when the head choppers descend.

Just read the Kos thread about the William Arkin article.
Taking a paycheck in the military is not the definition of a mercenary.
A mercenary is a hired gun to the highest bidder.
Our troops are not being duly compensated for stopping a bullet. That is not why they do it.
One little punk wrote to the effect that they should shut up & Do what we tell them.
I would urge him in the strongest way possible to express that sentiment to a returning Marine.

What gets me is: After repeated instances of being burned by fake soldiers with fake tales, and in the era of the blog where outside fact-checking can happen within 24 hours, why don't the media strictly fact-check these stories before relasing them?

I mean, damn---I know half the Boomer journalists went to journalism school to avoid Vietnam, and don't know the military from a hole in their own butts, but retired military officers are just a phone call away. Some of them are even liberals like my dad. Retired military are not likely to drop a dime to anybody, and they are likely to be honest with you if a story sounds like bullshit. There is no story that is too good to check nowadays. Ask Dan Rather,

re: #64 Rugby the Rat
You are some long-lived rat!

re: #77 NoSubmission

hey no submission, how's it going in the city?

re: #84 MrMom

re: #53 DesertSage

re: #19 sandrine

Authenticity exposes the anti Israel rant as stupid and against all principals of progressive policy.

And what the hell is this "progressive policy" you speak of anyway?
Leftists haven't 'progressed' in more then a half century and today they are actually regressing.

It is a 150 year old economic and political philosophy that has failed miserably each and every time and place it's been applied, with the 'side effect' of getting (hundreds of) millions of innocent people slaughtered. It's called Marxism.
Care to debate that sand-latrine?

It's too busy Drive By Trolling...It knows if it does it's best to defend the indefensible that it will end up doing the only option left...'personal attacks', in which it will end up banned...OR it is actually looking up sources to defend itself, which in this case it will NEVER be back, for their are no honest sources that can be used in defending it's stance.

re: #86 opnion
"I would urge him in the strongest way possible to express that sentiment to a returning Marine"

AMEN ,, but the problem with that is, who will be responsible for cleaning up the puddle of punk thats left of the poster after the Marine gets done answering him !?!?!?!

re: #64 Rugby the Rat

Rugby, please beg them to get something besides a bunch of other anonymous confirmations!

Remember Stephen Glass. He went to extraordinary lengths to cover himself.

re: #39 Geekasaurus

I mean trotkies, stalinists, maoist, the gramich whores of the chaliphate are all different

hey but screw um they are all commies

re: #90 Oh no...Sand People!

I guess the question:
Care to debate that sand-latrine?
was rhetorical. Didn't realize it when I asked. You're right, Oh..., no honest debate on the matter to be found.

re: #88 whosoever

re: #64 Rugby the Rat
You are some long-lived rat!

Just to be clear, I am not Rugby the Rat -- he died of advanced elderliness over a year ago, but made a brief return from Rat Heaven last week giving me permission to use his LGF log-in, which was nice of him.

re: #19 sandrine

But conflating DailyKos and The Nation is profoundly dishonest.

Go ahead and make your case. What is the difference?

re: #70 lawhawk

Michelle Malkin has done some digging and thinks she might have come across the person who posted these stories initially.

Corey Mitchell? Whoever it is, they've got quite a bit of explaining to do.

He's a "crime writer" who also posted this drivel under his own name at "In Cold Blog", and attempted to defend it in the comments. See the previous thread.

re: #93 Dianna

re: #64 Rugby the Rat

Rugby, please beg them to get something besides a bunch of other anonymous confirmations!

Remember Stephen Glass. He went to extraordinary lengths to cover himself.

Being a charitable soul, I am keeping in mind the possibility that "Scott Thomas" is a real soldier who has merely passed on "friend of a friend of a friend" stories as first-person accounts, because he naively believed them to be true.

By the way, Frank Foer is at this second talking about the Scott Thomas matter with Leon Wieseltier, the magazine's Literary Editor, who's been here for like 25 years -- Leon's office is adjacent to mine, and both our doors are open. I can only make out a few scattered phrases, though.

Let’s review for a moment.

The deleted / vanished-in-a-doctrinaire-Stalinst-manner Kos “Killitary” (Cross-posted at In Cold Blog) has been discussed in a previous thread, and revealed as having been thoroughly destroyed by the poster “Pablo” on the “In Cold Blog” website.

For completeness, Pablo’s summary:

“You should correct and retract this. There is no factual basis for it.”

As a side note, the name “Corey Mitchell” yields several entries, this one seemingly the best fit:

http: // en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corey_Mitchell
Corey Mitchell is a true- crime author based in . . . . . . . Some of the books Mitchell has wrote include:
- Hollywood Death Scenes
- Dead and Buried
- Murdered Innocents
- Evil Eyes.

If indeed this Corey Mitchell, a “true-crime author” (Red Alert. Danger, Will Robinson – poster). is the author of the “Killitary” piece, then we should be extra-careful when considering his sources, writings and conclusions.

I recall, from reading one of William Arkin’s own bios, that he served 1 tour (~3-4 years), immediately after finishing High School, with the U.S. Army, and was stationed in Europe, in an Intelligence posting.

One tour, immediately after High School?

This points to Arkin being an E-4 (at best) who spent his time typing, filing and being a “go-fer”, not some heavy-duty intelligence analyst / operative.

It is therefore necessary to view Arkin’s claims to military experience with considerable suspicion.

As pointed out in post #29, cmancone, and #40, RememberSekhmet?, “The Other War: Iraq Vets Bear Witness” admits to interviewing 50 veterans, but the source of those veterans are mostly anti-war groups.

There’s a lack of intellectual honesty in using such narrow and politically-slanted sources. Are there no other veterans of Iraq who would share their experiences?

Or are their experiences not of the type required to support the article?

So, will anyone ask any of the Democratic candidates why they associate with and appear at a political event sponsored by groups using obvious propaganda and unsupportable claims to advance their causes, and who “disappear” writings that are exposed as untrue?

So ....how can I NOT post this for the bazillionth time on this thread:

Behold! Verily I say unto you that the Islamic Beast will ride the Gramscian Whore straight into the Abomination that Causes Desolation. ~ The Scroll of the Outraged Spleen, 18:18

re: #19 sandrine

Burma Shave!

The Nazification of the American Left

re: #51 easy

You mean the SDO was never put in a wall locker and thrown our the barracks in Illesheim?

OT -

just read this from a reader commenting on an article via drudge on the floods in the UK. Heh.

"Ironic that after the scorn that was heaped on the US by the British media following Hurricane Katrina, we can't cope with a thunder storm.

- Dave, Cornwall"

Hey and make sure all of you out there know not to report anything or anyone or the ACLU and Cair will be moving into your house. i know its OT but i cant find anywhere to slam that in today and its making me angry .

re: #106 LockandLoad

Hey and make sure all of you out there know not to report anything or anyone or the ACLU and Cair will be moving into your house. i know its OT but i cant find anywhere to slam that in today and its making me angry .

So what if it's OT. This should be brought up numerous times in every thread.

re: #53 DesertSage

re: #19 sandrine

Authenticity exposes the anti Israel rant as stupid and against all principals of progressive policy.

And what the hell is this "progressive policy" you speak of anyway?
Leftists haven't 'progressed' in more then a half century and today they are actually regressing.

Naw, it's not the (mythical) "progressive policy" which is the act here, it's the "authenticity", the Marxist lit-twit idea that some expert somewhere can say what you really mean and really should mean.

I'm not sure who sandrine thinks she's defending here, The Nation or Kos. I doubt they want her defense. Sandrine her own self seems to have some intelligence, and is perhaps suffering some major cognitive dissonance with her leftoid friends right about now. She is still in major denial (hey, Freud used to be a leftist icon too, whatever happened to that?) about the nature of the people she's still apologizing for. (When) will she reach enlightenment? Dunno, I have a friend who's suffering through this right now, it's not pretty.

OK, sandrine, now live up to type and respond with a blast of BDS.

The Dhimmicrats only interest in the military is as yet another social program geared at keeping those hyperactive young adults off the street. God forbid that they engage in violence against our enemies! Military missions can only be supported if the troops are under the orders of a UN approved commander belonging to a designated politically correct group and with a mission counter to the interests of the U.S.

Someone needs to say it!

Fuck the left!

Fuck the left and all that they stand, and don't stand for!

They are all nothing more than insane euphorian dream seekers, who, claim to be "open minded", "caring of others", and all the other happy horse shit unattainable "euphorian dreams" that they spout, and try and shove down the throats of decent hard working freedom loving Americans.

Fuck the left!

opnion #62

But it does feel a little like Kerry's Winter Soldier Project. Oh man all kinds of terrible genocidal charges by Viet Nam veterans,. Turns out that a bunch of these guys were either not in combat, or not in Viet Nam and many never even in the military.

You've hit the nail on the head. I am expecting anti-war "military groups" to begin a campaign (the teaser was the Appear for Redress appearence on 60 Minutes) that culminates with a ceremony of medal tossing over the White House fence [or a trash can-think that was done in one of the Dewy Canyon events] a couple of days before Petraeus reports to congress.

What is to be done?

I certainly hope that Centcom and MNF-Iraq gets a telegenic LTC (at a minimum, preferably one with combat command experience) on the blogs and in the media to cut the head off this snake. A good jumping off point would be to find the intersections of the Nation and TNR articles-are some of these stories being mainlined by a particular group. Discover this group and pick it apart. I believe these articles are being circulated in the elite press now so any military personnel in front of a congressional committee in the coming weeks [both budgeting and the surge] will be ambushed by them in the more mainstream press and in committee and the military needs a forceful response.

Another aspect of this response needs to attack the underlying narrative [the crazy Vietnam Vet]. A great handbook had been published on this subject, Stolen Valor, and the fake Iraq War stories and fake Iraq War vets need to be exposed and referred to the FBI