But do I still support the individual men and women who have given so much to serve their country?

No. I think they’re a bunch of idiots. I also think they’re morally retarded.

Well, well, well. The mask is slipping, isn't it?

WTF?

Well, obviously there were 2 flukes.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Fools like this dont deserve the protection the Military gives them.

It's on the recommended list and look at all those "supportive" komments!

So to sum up, I don’t like our troops, I don’t like what they’re doing, I don’t like their fat, whining families, and yet, I support them.

I mean come on. This is so egregious it makes me wonder if somebody's not pulling Kos's leg.

Disgusting.

So... much... self-loathing...

Amused,

Are you keeping tabs on these kinds of posts?

Where's amused and sandrine, to tell us this is a tiny minority of Kos Kidz?

/tiny minority - where have i heard that before?

Fact check here:

Charles Johnson never served in the Military.

Kos did.

A man’s killing list is a very personal matter. It should be between him and those persistent voices in his head.

Note to kos kids/
most of us don't hear voices in our heads

I guess the "A" stands for "A@@-hole".

To: A Whitney Brown
From: Steve

"But what about those troops who are not so brave? Perhaps they just signed up hoping for some extra money for college, for the medical insurance, or even some hot gay military sex."

This is an interesting comment. But there are only 2 reason that the military exists. 1. To break things and 2. To kill the enemy.

If people join up the must be smart enough to understand this. So the question I have for you is... Do you understand what the military exists for?

re: #10 jellobob

This is relevant how?

re: #8 Milk Toast Intolerant

Chen Zen just showed up a few threads down too.

re: #7 Naughtius

So... much... self-loathing...

If asked if there is anything they love about America, they'd momentarily stammer for an answer, then tell you to f*ck off.

Arrogance like that earns a very special place in hell, I have no doubt.

didn't that douchebag Awhitneybrown used to be on SNL or something?

re: #10 jellobob

Your point being?

"This is an interesting comment. But there are only 2 reason that the military exists. 1. To break things and 2. To kill the enemy."

I never saw those in a mission statement.

So over the top that I'd suspect a moby, except that it was posted at Kos.

Does he understand how his country got free?

re: #10 jellobob

Fact check here:

Charles Johnson never served in the Military.

Kos did.

Sure, nice that Kos could be a REMF, because that *so* gives him the moral authority over the rest of us.

I wonder what The Whitney Brown thinks?

Hot gay sex?!

Is there something wrong with that too?

Oh no, thank you.

Thank you, now evaluate your list of people to kill, put your name at the top, and pull the plug.

Again, thank you.

Charles Johnson never served in the Military.

Kos did.

When you have no counter, attempt to deflect. Good job bob.

I have to say though, Whitney does provide a pretty good satire of the left in that article. . . Too bad it probably wasn't meant as satire.

re: #15 Killgore Trout

re: #8 Milk Toast Intolerant

Chen Zen just showed up a few threads down too.

To remind us that anyone can post articles at DKos...

::eye roll::

What am I going to do with a bunch of dead Iraqis? Plus I don’t even get to keep them. I mean, I might like to have a skull or something to use as a paperweight, on my desk. I’m not saying I would, but it might be a nice gesture to send out a few skulls out to those of us who are paying the cost.
You know you can adopt a kid for 15 dollars a month in Brazil or somewhere and you get pictures of them living their miserable lives. But I have paid hundreds of dollars in taxes over my lifetime, hundreds of dollars, and I don’t have so much as a single picture of an Iraqi child that I paid to have killed. It would be nice to just have something, you know, to remember them by... a picture, a lock of hair, perhaps a necklace of ears...

I just don't know what to say about these people anymore...

To paraphrase: I support them but they are a bunch of friggin idiots to volunteer to protect me and allow me freedom to spout insipid crap like this.

What an ASSHAT!

On the plus side, he is willing to let the mask drop and show us what he really thinks, unlike many.

Oh, pleeze.

What I find fascinating, however, is that this Markos character makes more money by spouting the crap he does. So says Glenn Reynolds, today.

By now most sentient humans are aware that the media is very bent, leftward. And, they make a lot of noise.

Is it supposed to frighten you?

Me? I haven't bothered looking at Kos. Nor do I read newspapers. Other than reading about them when the statistics show up. And, they're readership is down. And, their viewerships are off. Most of the time, in business, when this happens, you look inward. IF you're making buggy whips? Chances are you've got to change the stuff you're manufacturing. Or lose customers.

While this summer, I did learn that the Lebanese Army CONQUERED their ENEMY: THE PRESS.

They did this by sustaining the "damage" that came when the press declared "they were losers."

And, yes, taking their time made sense. Since no journalist was gonna stick around for long. First, came sleep. And, then vacations. While the press was sure its bases were covered. Because they reported that the Labenese Army lost to a rag tag bunch of syrian terrorists.

Oh, the Lebanese Army was smart enough NOT TO ALLOW PICTURE TAKING. So on any one day the rubble looked about the same. Till nothing was left standing.

We can all learn lessons from how you "lose" to the press.

y'know, I almost miss the days when the left didn't 'support' the troops. They were still scum, but at least they were honest scum.

Trolls a plenty these days.

re: #29 NoSubmission

That comment reveals more about the author's inner life than I want to know.

Now THAT is entertaining.

You can't get that kind of entertainment just anywhere!

re: #6 Cognito

You might even work with someone who thinks this way. Who knows?

"Sure, nice that Kos could be a REMF, because that *so* gives him the moral authority over the rest of us."

What gives you the right to diminish his service?

Wait, wait. This guy is a washed up comedian who was on SNL back in the day. It's satire.

I've not worked out the details yet, but so far I'm leaning toward "not funny."

re: #10 jellobob

Fact check here:

Charles Johnson never served in the Military.

Kos did.

Oh my God! Shut down LGF immediately!

What is so really sad is they actually think they are mainstream.

re: #33 Killgore Trout

Indeed. Although I seem to be doing ok pissing people off today, my kids included.

How's Zoe? Lucius is mad at me being away from home so much and is leaving me little presents in my shoes.

And don't ever question their patriotism because then they might ... cry? Bunch of weenies who look to those sophisticated Euroweenies for their cues. If any of the kos kidz had half a clue and were patriotic rather than being a bunch of bds deranged moonbats they would be able to get their craniums out of their rectums and see that there is a war going on and the target is their beloved/hated Amerika. I am certain that despite all of the empirical evidence otherwise that most of these morons still see Islam as the RoP. Go back to sleep kidz, we'll wake you when it's over.

Oh yeah, and hot gay sex?

Since when did being liberal or progressive, whatever, mean being homophobic? It's completely rampant in their argument style of late (say last 5 years).

Just throwing that out there, seems kind of like the Left really has moved a long from its peace loving roots.

I'm feeling it.. Oh yes.. Military love from the Daily Kos. Here it comes.. It's coming.. Oh yes... yes... Yes... uhm...nevermind.

As a retired soldier, the father of a current soldier, the son of a soldier and the grandson of many soldiers allow me to just say this: yawn.

Ankle biters like this guy mean nothing to us.

I don’t like our troops, I don’t like what they’re doing, I don’t like their fat, whining families, and yet, I support them. Thank God I live in a free country. Thank You.

WTF!?

re: #36 Sharmuta

re: #6 Cognito

You might even work with someone who thinks this way. Who knows?

Well. All right. So might you, for what that's worth.

re: #10 jellobob

Which one said, "Screw them"?

To anyone who even entertains the idea that this is yet another Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, just look at the ratings these posts receive. What's telling is how the DailyKos community reacts to these venomous posts.

Fact check:

Jellobob is a troll, using "Hey, look over there!" as a diversionary tactic.

What gives you the right to diminish his service?

What makes his service relevant? Did he write the articles? Did Charles use anythign other than posters at Kos' own website as evidence against him? No. Military service or lack thereof has absolutely no bearing on this.

Get out the Ted Rall 'Support Our Goons' yellow ribbon Trucker hats!

This, is not satire.

re: #42 Lucius Septimius

She's doing well and growing like a weed.

re: #37 jellobob

"Sure, nice that Kos could be a REMF, because that *so* gives him the moral authority over the rest of us."

What gives you the right to diminish his service?

What gives Markos the right to defame those who are currently serving?

It's tagged as snark, and the diarist insists it's snark, but not all of the commenters are taking it kindly:

Fat Whining Families"? (8+ / 0-)

Excuse me, but I was a Navy Wife for 15 years, and I found this gratuitous insult unnecessary. Military pay, despite what the GAO claims, is low, and a lot of families are on food stamps or using food banks to eke out the month. I know a dozen recipes that use rice or pasta as the main ingredient. Every military wife does. I found this entire diary insulting.

Even as snark, even as a representation of Republican group think, it isn't funny.

by irishwitch on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 09:52:31 AM PDT

And this chain of comments:

Wow (3+ / 0-)

I cannot believe that anyone would find this funny.
I read this thinking that it would be pro troops but actually all you are doing is calling them a bunch of killers.
I hope no one else on here who has lost a family member in Iraq, as I have, reads this.
Extremely upsetting.

by AJsMom on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:39:19 AM PDT

(to which the reply is:)

Let me say this politely as possible (2+ / 0-)

Dkos is probably not the site for you.

by Jank2112 on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:47:33 AM PDT

(to which the reply is:)

How dare you say that (3+ / 0-)

to a Gold Star family member.

Are you serious?

There are a whole lot more military families on this site than you must imagine, such as myself, who are Democrats.

We just don't find it funny to snark about the suffering and deaths of our loved ones. A little empathy would have been nice on your part.

by worried dem on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:52:57 AM PDT

(to which the reply is:)

When I read the diary (2+ / 0-)

most of the snark was directed towards the suffering and deaths of the Iraqis.

Not your loved ones.

In reality, the 200:1 Iraqi:US kill ratio is quite admirable, and something that you and your family can be justifiable proud of.

by Roadbed Guy on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 11:35:19 AM PDT

And to AJsMom's post above (titled "Wow"), the diarist has this response:

I apologize if you are offended in any way. (7+ / 0-)

It is not my intent to make any one feel badly about the people who are being killed by the troops who are going over to any foreign country to kill people or to help prevent those who have been sent to kill them from being killed by the ones they are trying to kill, and most especially it is not my intent to denigrate or offend those who have had a loved one killed, whether he or she was killed by the people they were sent to kill and didn't kill in time, or accidentally by one of the people who was sent there to help them kill them, or even by some other person who had a loved one killed and decided to kill someone else in revenge, or even those who were killed by one of the good killers by mistake. They are all heroes.

by AWhitneyBrown on Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:52:12 AM PDT

They aren't monolithic, the Kossacks... thing is, the saner ones are being pushed away by the true-red moonbats. Popcorn time, as they say.

I served.

And if he doesn't want to support me, or my fat, whining family, he doesn't have to.

Just finally get it out in the open.

Proclaim your pacifism, and disdain for anything in camo.

Just do it and shut up so we can talk about something more important.

Like Type O Negative or something.

I typed "serial killers democrat" into google and I found this [Link: www.crimelibrary.com...]

"It was not long before (John Wayne) Gacy caught the attention of Robert F. Matwick, the Democratic township committeeman for Norwood Park. As a free service to the community, Gacy and his employees volunteered to clean-up Democratic Party headquarters. Gacy further impressed Matwick when the contractor dressed up as "Pogo the Clown" and entertained children at parties and hospitals."

"Unaware of Gacy's past and impressed by his sense of duty and dedication towards the community, Matwick nominated Gacy to the street lighting commission. In 1975, Gacy became the secretary treasurer. It seemed as if Gacy's dreams of success were beginning to come true; however his career in politics would be short-lived. Troubles started to brew when rumors began to circulate about Gacy having homosexual interest in teenage boys."

The list of serial killers and mass murderers borne from the Democratic party is astounding!

re: #37 jellobob

What gives you the right to diminish his service?

What gives you the right to diminish Charles's service to America?

The comedy stylings of A. Whitney Brown, formerly of SNL, the Daily Show, etc. Also formerly funny.

#10 jelliobob
"Fact check here:

Charles Johnson never served in the Military.

Kos did."

And Kos did in order to speak German off the Army's Dime.
In fact, if you read his thoughts right on the Daily Kos concerning his book Crashing the Gate, he seems quite proud of milking the army's money for his own personal, selfish use.

I'm sure they will find a way to explain this away.

re: #10 jellobob

I served. As a paratrooper. As an infantryman. As a sniper. As a combat vet. Charles Johnson is a far more decent and honorable man than Kos ever was.

OK, short, sweet and not very lady like: F*** Y** Whitney Brown.

Susan

Which one said, "Screw them"?

That was not about our service members, but contractors.

these jerks are like obnoxious spoiled brats playing on a playground, completely unaware of the danger that looms around them in the real world.

unbelievable.

A. Whitney Brown?

OMG, that guy? Once he stepped out of the pope bit he used to do, he was for crap.

I really would have lost on a "Dead or not dead" trivia question about that guy. Oh well, if in doubt, be as offensive as possible - sort of works for Ted R*ll.

It's interesting to note that now that we've linked to it there are dissenting comments showing up. It's also fading off the recommended list.

I used to like A. Whitney Brown when he was on Saturday Night Live for a year or two way back when.

I am so disappointed.

"I served. As a paratrooper. As an infantryman. As a sniper. As a combat vet. Charles Johnson is a far more decent and honorable man than Kos ever was."

Have you met either?

A peek inside the mind of an Obama voter. Scary.

re: #10 jellobob

My dad never served either. However he was trying to get in to the Naval Academy when he fell off a roof (in Mexico-he's lucky he lived-long story) and broke his back. Does he parrot this vile commentary? No fortunately, or we probably wouldn't be on speaking terms. Does the fact that Markos served mean he is always right? Like Absolute Moral Authority?

/end rant

Anybody betting on how long before this becomes an un-post?

re: #11 bulwrk

A man’s killing list is a very personal matter. It should be between him and those persistent voices in his head.

Note to kos kids/
most of us don't hear voices in our heads

Note to kos kidz/
most of us don't have killing lists,
nor is that how the military runs operations.

re: #65 jellobob

So that makes it okay?!

re: #29 NoSubmission

From the quote you cited,

What am I going to do with a bunch of dead Iraqis? Plus I don’t even get to keep them. I mean, I might like to have a skull or something to use as a paperweight, on my desk. I’m not saying I would, but it might be a nice gesture to send out a few skulls out to those of us who are paying the cost. You know you can adopt a kid for 15 dollars a month in Brazil or somewhere and you get pictures of them living their miserable lives. But I have paid hundreds of dollars in taxes over my lifetime, hundreds of dollars, and I don’t have so much as a single picture of an Iraqi child that I paid to have killed. It would be nice to just have something, you know, to remember them by... a picture, a lock of hair, perhaps a necklace of ears...

I will bet you a nice lunch at a quality restaurant that this fella doesn't work much. Most of us paid thousands in taxes, and even more.

I'm one of those twisted peaceniks. I think we should give peace a chance.
But I think it should be a world-wide thing. There's no song called "Let There Be Peace In American Suburbia, and the Rest of You Can Suck It Up.", but there is a song, "Let there be Peace On Earth".

As long as there are dictators, I can't get what I want. My dream of peace is not going to happen as long as there are asshats taking over countries and terrorizing the people within said country.
Without our military, Hitler's regime would still be in place, and spread over Europe.
Saddam would still be in power, and his regime would still be growing.
That's not peace.

It's as much 'snark' as was Kerry's comments about the troops being 'stuck in irak'. They say they are joking, but they aren't. The bile comes a little too easy for this guy.

"But what about those troops who are not so brave? Perhaps they just signed up hoping for some extra money for college, for the medical insurance, or even some hot gay military sex."

Yeah baby,

And don't forget the haircut, I just loves those military haircuts.

Waves a limp wrist at everyone.

I always tried to wear pink undershirts and purple briefs and
sometimes that drill instructor was a real bitch..

And riding munitions convey with Butch was a real thrill.

"What gives you the right to diminish Charles's service to America?"

He's serving America?

Jellobob, master of irrelevancies.re: #70 jellobob

"I served. As a paratrooper. As an infantryman. As a sniper. As a combat vet. Charles Johnson is a far more decent and honorable man than Kos ever was."

Have you met either?

Jellobob, master of irrelevancies.

So to sum up, I don’t like our troops, I don’t like what they’re doing, I don’t like their fat, whining families, and yet, I support them. Thank God I live in a free country. Thank You.

/Oblivious to the relationship between our military and our freedom.

re: #10 jellobob

Marcos has his own problems to deal with
The Truth about Kos

re: #10 jellobob

Fact check here:

Charles Johnson never servedin bashed the Military.

Kos did.

Fixed that for ya!

PIMF. New features are my enemy.

Coming up next on KOS... Hillary and Obama speak truth to power and CNN/Youtube work to get the "youth" vote of America.

re: #70 jellobob

You can learn a hell of a lot more about a man by reading what he writes week in and week out than by just shaking his hand.

There should be a screen shot of that comment.

Twitney Brown, more like it.

Supports the twoofs.

re: #79 jellobob

He's serving America?

Every day. With this blog.

Jelloblob

What are your credentials, so I can tell when I should listen to you? Do your really believe that only economists should discuss money? weathermen weather? chefs cooking? etc.

"You can learn a hell of a lot more about a man by reading what he writes week in and week out than by just shaking his hand."

I learned that talk is cheap when I was in the Army.

I guess you didn't.

So jello, are you defending A Whitney Brown's post, or just pointlessly trolling?

re: #60 Cognito

If he did this in a night club I wouldn't object (although I still wouldn't find it funny). It takes on a whole new dimension in a political forum. I have no problem with jokes about Blacks or Jews or Gays but when they told at a Klan rally it becomes a different story.

re: #69 Mardukhai

I used to like A. Whitney Brown when he was on Saturday Night Live for a year or two way back when.

I am so disappointed.

Oh good, someone else noticed the SNL connection.

Can't help, given how close on the heels this is to the killitary thing, thinking that this might be a hoax to make conservatives "overreact" to "obvious satire".

Not defending it, just suggesting...

re: #91 jellobob

I learned that talk is cheap when I was in the Army.

So we should ignore you, then?

None of her whiney BS matters. The president of the United Staes is the commander in cheif and decides how and when troops are used. Liberals, because they are unable to A.) Elect their choice for president or B.) Unelect president Bush is left to ponder the troops and whether they "like" them or not.

OT

To NY NANA:
Here are some of the stats on my father who just passed away.
Date of enlistment August 1941
Date of retirement September 1962

Occupational specialty Air Mechanic Gunner
Airplane Maintenance Tech.
Top gunner B-17

Awards:
Good Conduct
American Defense
2 Bronze Stars to ETO Ribbon
Good Conduct Medal with 2 loops
National Defense Service Medal
AFLSA w/3 OLC
GCMDL w/1 Si Cl
AFLSA w/4 Br OLC

I have no idea what some of these are but there must be somebody who could translate them.

Stationed at Deophgreen (sp) Field during the war.
8th Air Force
452 Bomb group
Block L (Black square with a white L in the middle)

jelloblob, I'm curious... I can assume that, from all your moral preening on the subject, you've served in the military, right?

If so, some details, please. Thanks a bunch.

re: #70 jellobob

"I served. As a paratrooper. As an infantryman. As a sniper. As a combat vet. Charles Johnson is a far more decent and honorable man than Kos ever was."

Have you met either?

Don't have to. "You will know them by their fruits."

re: #93 Killgore Trout

re: #60 Cognito

If he did this in a night club I wouldn't object (although I still wouldn't find it funny). It takes on a whole new dimension in a political forum. I have no problem with jokes about Blacks or Jews or Gays but when they told at a Klan rally it becomes a different story.

Hey, yeah, I'm not defending the dude. Like I said, "formerly funny."

re: #96 ointmentfly
Shoulda used spellcheck...

re: #37 jellobrain

"Sure, nice that Kos could be a REMF, because that *so* gives him the moral authority over the rest of us."

What gives you the right to diminish his service?

Actually KOS and John Kerry were the only two people to ever serve in the US military. That's it! We should throw a party for them.

"What are your credentials, so I can tell when I should listen to you?"

Me? I'm just a schmuck, and you shouldn't listen to me at all.

"Do your really believe that only economists should discuss money?
weathermen weather? chefs cooking? etc."

I do value direct experience, yes.

Life is so much more coplicated beyond a keyboard.

re: #91 jellobob

And yet you offer nothing but cheap talk.

re: #91 jellobob

"You can learn a hell of a lot more about a man by reading what he writes week in and week out than by just shaking his hand."

I learned that talk is cheap when I was in the Army.

We can see that.

re: #29 NoSubmission

"Hundreds of dollars" you've paid in tax money? When your count reaches tens of thousands of dollars with no end in sight, then you can come back and talk about governmental responsibilities with YOUR money. From my perch, I see thousands upon thousands of dollars of MY MONEY poured down drain after drain.

If my money is going to securing the freedom of my country, at least that is money better spent than 99.9% of the "domestic spending" crap that I've been coerced and bullied into forking out.

That is, if this is just a question of money...

re: #103 jellobob

Me? I'm just a schmuck, and you shouldn't listen to me at all.

Activating GAZE.

re: #10 jellobob

Fact check here:

Charles Johnson never served in the Military.

Kos did.

AND THAT FACT should excuse and validate EVERYTHING KOS does from that moment on.

Nope. We make people account for what they say and do TODAY.

John Coward Kerry served in the military. Whatever good he did then (doubtful, but let's do a courtesy) was more than offset by the damage, from his comparison of his fellow combatants to Genghis Khan's hordes, up to the recent blunders, gaffes and treasonous dealings of today.

Charles is far, far more of service to his country than either JOKErry or Markos Moulitsas Effeminate Zuniga. As the Good Book says (Zechariah 4:6): "Not by might, nor by power, but by My spirit, saith the LORD of hosts." The mental support that the troops receive is crucial, especially with today's TreasonMedia doing everything to give aid and comfort to the enemy. It doesn't matter a bit that Howard Zinn was a bomber during WWII--he did his job then, but now, with his self-loathing, anti-American essays, he's undoing all his good legacy. As is Markos when he lets such things be posted on his site.

And I served in the IDF, for the record.

jelloblob, some details of your Army service, please.

re: #70 jellobob

I haven't met either Charles or Kos but I've been reading their postings for the past several years, and I can only conclude Kos is a weasel, his military service not being germane. I haven't met you but I already don't like you, nothing personal but you seem to be a jerk.

When some Osama tape shows up the left buzzes with excitement - more proof that Chimpy McHaliburton hasn't found Osama Bin Laden.

Those who are Anti-Islamofascist have our own spokesman.

General George S. Patton. 2007 version.

re: #58 cwxyzallen
Can you name the wife of a former (disgraced, imo) President (D-GA) that Gacy was photographed with?

re: #70 jellobob

"I served. As a paratrooper. As an infantryman. As a sniper. As a combat vet. Charles Johnson is a far more decent and honorable man than Kos ever was."

Have you met either?

You know, now that I think about it. I never have seen them together at a party.

Hum, I wonder, could it be. NAH!

re: #10 jellobob

Fact check here:

Charles Johnson never served in the Military.

Kos did.

Jellobob: So did Timothy McVay. Whats you point?

re: #107 Lightning_Man

Yes, I am all for taking a man at his word.

re: #103 jellobob

"What are your credentials, so I can tell when I should listen to you?"

Me? I'm just a schmuck, and you shouldn't listen to me at all.

"Do your really believe that only economists should discuss money?
weathermen weather? chefs cooking? etc."

I do value direct experience, yes.

Life is so much more coplicated beyond a keyboard.

OMG! It's the reverse chickenhawk meme.
We're Dooomed

re: #64 SusanL

OK, short, sweet and not very lady like: F*** Y** Whitney Brown.

Susan

I dunno Susan. Sounds like a PERFECT "lady" to me, one that knows WHEN to be and when NOT to be one !

re: #115 steve

Jellobob: So did Timothy McVay. Whats you point?

Nice.

re: #115 steve

Whats your point?

If he had one, he probably would've answered one of the half-dozen similar comments posted already.

jelloblob, if you could tear yourself away for a moment from that "How to talk like you've served in the military" website for just one moment, I'd really love to hear some details about your Army days. C'mon, humor me.

re: #79 jellobob

"What gives you the right to diminish Charles's service to America?"

He's serving America?

Hell, yeah! The work that Charles is doing is a million times more important to this country than anything Markos has or will ever do. I'll let you guess what that job is.

I doubt it is satire but this clown is a former writer for SNL...

If it IS satire, it isn't funny...

Don't tell me, jelloblob, let me guess: Ranger? Special Forces? Delta? SuperSecret Ninja Brigade?

"jelloblob, I'm curious... I can assume that, from all your moral preening on the subject, you've served in the military, right?"

I spent a few years in the Army when I was a younger man.

The Army has never been a terribly picky organization. Anyone's son or daughter will do. I miss it some days, others not so much.

But it amuses me to see such broad sweeping stereotypes applied by those who never served.

re: #10 jellobob

Fact check here:

Charles Johnson never served in the Military.

Kos did.

So if there are more people here that have served than at Kos, does that mean we are more credible?

re: #91 jellobob

I learned that talk is cheap when I was in the Army.

I learned a lot of things in the Army. I learned about duty to my country and my fellow soldiers. I learned about honor and how it mandates that I fulfill my sacred oath. I learned about the brotherhood of warriors and the beauty working side by side defending something bigger than any of us. I learned how to drive on when I didn't want to. I leaned how to suffer without complaining. I learned how take care of myself in the most dangerous of situations. I leaned how to overcome fear. I leaned how to ignore pain. I learned how to shoot, move and communicate. I learned all of that.

I must have been on leave when they taught "talk is cheap>"

re: #103 jellobob

"What are your credentials, so I can tell when I should listen to you?"

Me? I'm just a schmuck, and you shouldn't listen to me at all.

"Do your really believe that only economists should discuss money?
weathermen weather? chefs cooking? etc."

I do value direct experience, yes.

Life is so much more coplicated beyond a keyboard.

Nice dodge...the ol' 'life's mysterious'. Punk.

re: #125 jellobob

I spent a few years in the Army when I was a younger man.

Dishonorable discharge? And when was this alleged service?

But it amuses me to see such broad sweeping stereotypes applied by those who never served.

You mean, like the ones by A Whitney Brown?

Jellobob,
Nice nick, I suppose you are describing your spine with it.

What a minute: How does jellobob know that KOS served in the military!
Has KOS posted this? Is jellobob a friend? Or is Jellobob really KOS himself?

re: #124 Occasional Reader

Don't tell me, jelloblob, let me guess: Ranger? Special Forces? Delta? SuperSecret Ninja Brigade?

Like Eddie Murphy's character in Trading Places - he's pretending he's a homeless vet (with no legs) & the police say "I was in Vietnam too. What unit were you in?" He replies "Oh, I was in the 5th Special Services Unit Battalion Special Division Battalion Unit."

Perhaps they just signed up hoping for some extra money for college, for the medical insurance, or even some hot gay military sex.

Any one want to guess which one Kos joined for?

re: #129 NoSubmission

re: #125 jellobob

I spent a few years in the Army when I was a younger man.

Dishonorable discharge? And when was this alleged service?

I'm betting on a bad conduct discharge.

I couldn't find one comment on DK criticising this pile of crap. What a bunch of a$$hats.

"Don't tell me, jelloblob, let me guess: Ranger? Special Forces? Delta? SuperSecret Ninja Brigade?"

I was in logistics. Nothing exciting.

In fact, if I really didn't like you, I would bore you with the details.

My brother was in Armor (Tanks). His stories are much more interesting.

re: #65 jellobob

Which one said, "Screw them"?

That was not about our service members, but contractors.

jellobob

over here

lower

lower

lower

just a little lower

GAZE

/enjoy

In the worlds of Kos himself (regarding these diaries)

"so damn ugly."

re: #125 jellobob

re: #125 jellobob

"jelloblob, I'm curious... I can assume that, from all your moral preening on the subject, you've served in the military, right?"

I spent a few years in the Army when I was a younger man.

The Army has never been a terribly picky organization. Anyone's son or daughter will do. I miss it some days, others not so much.

But it amuses me to see such broad sweeping stereotypes applied by those who never served.

Did you complain when draft-dodger Bill Clinton became Commander-in-Chief? Or does having the correct views earn an exemption?

Sweet Jesus! I'm at a loss for words trying to describe what I think of that KOS article, or poster, or what ever that is. I can not hate that much, I can not be that cynical, that ungrateful, that unpatriotic, and thank God most of us can't be that either. Chillingly, it shows doesn't it that the jidahist's have great support everywhere, no wonder Islam is so revered by the liberal left. So starkly it reminds me of the words of
John Stuart Mill:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

I spent a few years in the Army when I was a younger man.

Sorry but this doesn't read like what a soldier would say to describe his military service. Sounds more like a summer job description.

#125 jelloblob:

I spent a few years in the Army when I was a younger man.

Those aren't exactly "details", bob.

(psst in case my hints aren't strong enough, I suspect you're full of shit)

The Army has never been a terribly picky organization. Anyone's son or daughter will do.

Let's call this maneuver the "reverse-chickenhawk olive drab Moby". Slam the military by claiming to be vet, then "self-effacingly" saying that the military is full of losers. Love it, bob.

But it amuses me to see such broad sweeping stereotypes applied by those who never served.

But for people who did serve, it's okay for them to use broad, sweeping stereotypes? Huh?

Well, this is lovely, ain't it? Some sort of undergraduate-level cretin, I would guess -- can make a sentence, has heard of Shakespeare (but can't quote him very well), has half-baked opinions that he thinks profound enough to share. If he ever grows the crap up, he'll be ashamed of this, but I suspect that he's pretty much stuck on stupid forever.

On the other hand, I guess it says something good about this country that its citizens can live to be undergrads, and remain insulated enough from the real world to not see the point of a country maintaining a strong military.

re: #125 jellobob

I served from 1980 to 2000.

11B - enlisted
Infantry
Paratrooper
Jumpmaster
Sniper
SERE Instructor
Light Infantry Leader
Jungle Expert
Winter Warfare Expert

Combat on several occasions.

My son is a Ranger. He has served 18 months in Iraq and 4 months in Afghanistan. He has been wounded in action badly enough to be evacuated to Walter Reed. He recovered and went back to Iraq.

Care to judge us?

re: #125 jellobob

I spent a few years in the Army when I was a younger man.

The Army has never been a terribly picky organization.

A well-supported argument.

re: #37 jellobob

What did KOS do in the military?

re: #123 tfc3rid

I doubt it is satire but this clown is a former writer for SNL...

I haven't gone to Kos to see the original. But is there any reason to believe this is written by the person it claims?

If it IS satire, it isn't funny...

well, that describes many seasons of SNL, yes? ;-)

re: #11 bulwrk

A man’s killing list is a very personal matter. It should be between him and those persistent voices in his head.

Note to kos kids/
most of us don't hear voices in our heads

That struck me too. If you hear persistent voces in your head, you need a serious intervention.

After high school, Moulitsas served in the U.S. Army (1989-92) as a 13P -- Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) Fire Direction Specialist. He trained at Ft. Sill, Oklahoma and served the remainder of his three-year enlistment in Bamberg, Germany. While he entered the Army as a Republican, he abandoned the GOP soon after his enlistment.

/he took out the part about his "party tour" of Germany

distwalker,

Since he appears to be defending the AWhitneyBrown diary, I'd say he'd judge you a kill-hungry killing killer.

#143 NoSub:

Sorry but this doesn't read like what a soldier would say to describe his military service.

And what about "I was in logistics", how does that grab ya? Heh.

re: #60 Cognito

The comedy stylings of A. Whitney Brown, formerly of SNL, the Daily Show, etc. Also formerly funny.

Damn -- you beat me to it. (snoozed and losed)

Speaking as a retired soldier; support like that I could certainly do without. My "fat whining family" could do without her support also. What in the world is running through that grey matter she mistakenly assumes is a brain? Does she even have the foggiest concept of what a soldier does? She should probably exert more effort into not being such hypocrite. If she loathes the military, she should just say so since her compatriots certainly make no secret of it since the last election when they all came out from under the rug.

re: #150 Killian Bundy

Am I having Deja Vu or did you not post that yesterday? Not that it isn't worth posting again and again, maybe as a side bar.

re: #137 jellobob

yeah, you spent afew yrs in the army, and i was a navy seal. no wait, i AM a navy seal. yes, that's it: i am a u.s. navy seal. and no i'm not going to discuss it.

You think these moby assholes could at least come up with a semi-plausible legend.

re: #141 CLLRusso

Great John Stuart Mill quote.

re: #152 Occasional Reader

" I was in LOGISTICS" ,,

Ummm,,, could mean anything from plotting what USSR cities were on the "hit list" for nukes, all the way down to what to do with the potato peels after you peel em'

re: #125 jellobob

"jelloblob, I'm curious... I can assume that, from all your moral preening on the subject, you've served in the military, right?"

I spent a few years in the Army when I was a younger man.

The Army has never been a terribly picky organization. Anyone's son or daughter will do. I miss it some days, others not so much.

But it amuses me to see such broad sweeping stereotypes applied by those who never served.

Lessee, Kerry served in the military, Cheney didn't. Kerry was a liar and a turncoat (I'm ex-military and I can say that), but Cheney is very supportive of our troops. JelloBoob, you're a troll and have some similarities to Kerry I'd rather not mention.

Maybe A. Whiney Brown can take his 'comedy' to Baghdad to entertain the troops. I'm guessing there won't be any encores..

Methinks the Kos kids speak for themselves. Pathetic. 'Tis tempting to reply, but their statements think for themselves. If any of them would like to attempt achieveing 1/10 of what I did in my military career (including the education), please have 'em ask. It would be mucho fun to watch.

re: #151 Yashmak

You know, I never thought of it that way. I was in the Grenada Invasion in 1983. I never hurt a soul while I was there. I did have an old lady approach me and say "God bless your mother's wombs for coming."

That was one of many high points of my career.

re: #159 sattv4u2

re: #152 Occasional Reader

" I was in LOGISTICS" ,,

Ummm,,, could mean anything from plotting what USSR cities were on the "hit list" for nukes, all the way down to what to do with the potato peels after you peel em'

LOL

Bill Clinton never served

Hillary Clinton never served

Obama never served

oh my god, Ron Paul never served

they should all discontinue their goals of being president, after all, serving your country is a REQUIREMENT to be POTUS,

isn't it?/sarc

#145 distwalker:

Infantry
Paratrooper
Jumpmaster
Sniper
SERE Instructor
Light Infantry Leader
Jungle Expert
Winter Warfare Expert

Yeah, but you only did all that stuff for the hot, gay, military sex, right?

:P

#125 jellobob -

The Army has never been a terribly picky organization. Anyone's son or daughter will do. I miss it some days,

What exactly do you miss, other than the hot gay sex?

re: #163 distwalker

re: #151 Yashmak

You know, I never thought of it that way. I was in the Grenada Invasion in 1983. I never hurt a soul while I was there. I did have an old lady approach me and say "God bless your mother's wombs for coming."

That was one of many high points of my career.

I hope you realize that my reply wasn't meant to demean your service in any way. . .

I'm one of those contractors that DK shows such respect and former army(6 yrs.) Just one of the many here at the LGF that thinks Markos is a bucket of smashed a$$holes.

re: #156 nyc redneck

re: #137 jellobob
yeah, you spent afew yrs in the army, and i was a navy seal. no wait, i AM a navy seal. yes, that's it: i am a u.s. navy seal. and no i'm not going to discuss it.

I am the Egg Man, you are the Walrus.

All kidding aside, thank you for defending our country, distwalker.

I think you guys have jellyboob pegged.

re: #165 cybermonk Bill Clinton never served

Hillary Clinton never served

Obama never served

oh my god, Ron Paul never served

/ No! Not Ron Paul! Say it isn't so...

re: #168 Yashmak

Yes, I knew that.

He and Michael Richards can keep each other company in Palookaville.
Washed-up has-beens reaching for the brass key.

Jeez, no wonder this blog is so effed up... it's full of former soldiers!

/yellowblob

re: #170 NoSubmission

lol,lol,lol.

Hot military sex.
John Kerry and I went up the Bong Song river into Cambodia.
It was such a beautiful moonlit night. We were delivering supplies to the Khmer Rouge. I just love that word Rouge, it is so artistic.

Anyway,
We sat on the moon drenched 50 cal. turret holding hands and talking about our futures together.
Then the bitch took those 35 mm films of us dancing through the jungles and orchids, shooting M-16s and grenade launchers.
He never respected me after that.

And along comes that rich witch Heinze, writing him perfume letters.

I just cant talk about it anymore.

re: #165 cybermonk
Did Jimmah Cahtah serve?

re: #70 jellobob

"I served. As a paratrooper. As an infantryman. As a sniper. As a combat vet. Charles Johnson is a far more decent and honorable man than Kos ever was."

Have you met either?

Just curious, what was your MOS?

re: #179 NoSubmission

re: #165 cybermonk
Did Jimmah Cahtah serve?

Of course he did. He acheived the rank of Commander-in-Chief. :P

Jellobob: read my #97 and then bore us with you service duty.

re: #178 ibmkeyboard

And along comes that rich witch Heinze, writing him perfume letters.

I just cant talk about it anymore.

I was there, too, and that scene is seared seared in my memory...

re: #179 NoSubmission

Cahtah was Navy

re: #166 Occasional Reader

Yeah, but you only did all that stuff for the hot, gay, military sex, right?

Sure. And my neighbor moved to the Castro District of San Francisco to learn how to operate an M-1 Abrams tank. It all makes perfect sense.

re: #178 ibmkeyboard

don't let it get you down. people like that go to the highest bidder. they put "true love" on the back burner.

re: #179 NoSubmission

yes, he did, they even named a submarine after him, it had to be dry docked though, it would only turn left. who knows if it will ever get fixed.

Did Jimmah Cahtah serve?

Actually, yes, he was a commissioned US Navy officer.

He's also currently leading the charge to suck up to this country's most deadly enemies.

You never can tell, ya know?

Lieutenant James Earle Carter, Jr., USN

/he's still a dangerous, America hating twit

re: #184 decaffeine
thanks! Didn't know that.

re: #179 NoSubmission

re: #165 cybermonk
Did Jimmah Cahtah serve?

He was actually in the Navy; in a nuclear sub under Admiral Hyman Rickover. Somewhere down the line he snapped, I guess.

Now, I can’t make people say they support our troops. But if I’m the only one who’s willing to stand up and say ‘I support our troops’, then I’ll say it; I support our troops - cowards, queers, and all.

That would cover just about all the leftwingers who were in the military...if there were any.

re: #188 Occasional Reader

/touche

#187 cybermonk:

yes, he did, they even named a submarine after him, it had to be dry docked though, it would only turn left.

On the other hand, the USS Jimmy Carter has acheived the dubious technical feat of simultaneously inflating its hull and stagnating its speed.

re: #183 Golem Akbar

re: #178 ibmkeyboard

And along comes that rich witch Heinze, writing him perfume letters.
I just cant talk about it anymore.

I was there, too, and that scene is seared seared in my memory...

It was in Cambodia, at Christmas...

>>I spent a few years in the Army when I was a younger man.

Salvation Army?

re: #141 CLLRusso

Sweet Jesus! I'm at a loss for words trying to describe what I think of that KOS article, or poster, or what ever that is. I can not hate that much, I can not be that cynical, that ungrateful, that unpatriotic, and thank God most of us can't be that either. Chillingly, it shows doesn't it that the jidahist's have great support everywhere, no wonder Islam is so revered by the liberal left. So starkly it reminds me of the words of
John Stuart Mill:

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

John Stewart Mill

I was waiting for that quote to come up. Good one.

So to sum up, I don’t like our troops, I don’t like what they’re doing, I don’t like their fat, whining families, and yet, I support them. Thank God I live in a free country. Thank You.

Since these buttwads claim to support the troops so much, they should be sent to Iraq as jockstrap replacements.

I bet some would really love that :)

re: #10 jellobob

Fact check here:
Charles Johnson never served in the Military.
Kos did.

Can we assume from this statement that unless one has direct experience that one should refrain from an opinion? I can not be anti-drug because I have never been a junkie? Unless we have have been active in law enforcement (or a criminal) then we can have no opinion on criminal laws in our country?

Point two. Merely serving doesn't lend credibility. There were more than a few soldiers that "put in their time" but accomplished nothing more than being present at formations. I do not know what the service record of Mr Kos was. He could have been an exemplary soldier...or he could have partied his ass off for his entire tour in Germany and been a thorn in his First Sergeants butt the entire time.

A. Whitney Brown currently works for Air America. Air America isn't funny either.

#185 distwalker:

And my neighbor moved to the Castro District of San Francisco to learn how to operate an M-1 Abrams tank.

There's a joke in there somewhere about "smoothbore guns", but I ain't goin' there.

re: #200 Paul

A. Whitney Brown currently works for Air America. Air America isn't funny either.

It is a joke, though!

"they should all discontinue their goals of being president, after all, serving your country is a REQUIREMENT"

On the contrary, I think the military shouldn't be used like a political football.

I do think those who did not serve should not judge those who did.

I remember Fred Phelps and his crew protesting outside my base (Fort Riley KS) chanting that "God hates the Military" and it got on my nerves, but only because we weren't allowed to counter-protest.

I remember serving with gay people (both sexes). It wasn't a big deal.

We had several people that were wiccans.

I went to school with soldiers from Jordan and Egypt. Despite the fact that they smoked 3 packs a day, they can kick ass at soccer.

Thanks for the memories.

re: #191 Golem Akbar

re: #179 NoSubmission

re: #165 cybermonk
Did Jimmah Cahtah serve?

He was actually in the Navy; in a nuclear sub under Admiral Hyman Rickover. Somewhere down the line he snapped, I guess.

He got too close to the reactors, which screwed up his swimmers (look at Amy), and scrambled his brain.

carter, academy grad, still a Lieutenant (like an army Captain) after 12 years. Maybe he already was turning weird. I think his insanity is a life long process. I expect even stupider stuff from him next year.

We can either get mad or sit back with a bag of popcorn. Pass the popcorn.

Good bye all. I have to be to work in 4.5 hours and I need my sleep.
Beauty or otherwise. snicker, snicker.

re: #2 bulwrk

WTF?

yup, sums up my thoughts completely.

-ron

re: #183 Golem Akbar

re: #178 ibmkeyboard

I was there, too, and that scene is seared seared in my memory...

Kerry seared my memory also,
the brute force of his thigh thrust as he pushed into the jungle under growth.
The launching of grenades from his firm supple hips.

My 2 years of hot military sex in Vietnam is enough to cause a man to want to become a woman.

re: #170 NoSubmission

koo koo ka chu

Chicken Hawk, when in doubt whip it out.

Bullshit.

#203 jelloblob:

I do think those who did not serve should not judge those who did.

What a remarkable sentiment. And by "remarkable", I mean "crypto-fascist".

So anyway, tell it to A. Whitney Brown. See any military record in there? Neither do I.

Born in Charlotte, Michigan, Brown began his career as a street juggler and musician before finding regular employment as a comedian and comedy writer.

Yeah, but you only did all that stuff for the hot, gay, military sex, right?

Sure. And my neighbor moved to the Castro District of San Francisco to learn how to operate an M-1 Abrams tank. It all makes perfect sense.

LOL!

re: #203 jellobob

I do think those who did not serve should not judge those who did.

Are you against civilian control of the armed forces, as spelled out in our Constitution?

Or are you saying that a factually incorrect attack of troops done by a former service member trumps any fact-based support by someone who has always been civilian?

re: #211 Occasional Reader

#203 jelloblob:

I do think those who did not serve should not judge those who did.

What a remarkable sentiment. And by "remarkable", I mean "crypto-fascist".

So anyway, tell it to A. Whitney Brown. See any military record in there? Neither do I.

Born in Charlotte, Michigan, Brown began his career as a street juggler and musician before finding regular employment as a comedian and comedy writer.

In other words, Brown's a loser.

jello = "semi-hardened" kool-aid!

/ for what it's worth.

re: #212 Dirk Diggler

Yeah, but you only did all that stuff for the hot, gay, military sex, right?

Sure. And my neighbor moved to the Castro District of San Francisco to learn how to operate an M-1 Abrams tank. It all makes perfect sense.

Bwhahahah

re: #203 jellobob

Spongebob called says quit f**king up the family name.

That disrespct coming from someone who likes to wipe his ass with the U.S. flag then drape himself with it. Nice.

religious leaders, news people, commercial businesses, beverage makers, car companies, defense lobbyists - they should all say they support our troops whenever they’re trying to sell their products or pimp their talking points

I support the troops.
And I've nothing to sell or talking points to advance.
Can't you just support the troops without an agenda , then ?

"Spongebob called says quit f**king up the family name."

Ah... the civility that LGF is famous for.

More than one troll has posted comments here about the “Killitary” article, claiming it does not represent the Daily Kos “community.” It was a complete fluke. A one-off. Never happen again. I should apologize for getting it so very wrong.

Actually I think you guys should congratulate the Kossacks for effectively shooing the guy out of there.

jelloblob, for how long were you in the Army? When were you discharged?

Note to Darwin - creature just crawled out of isolated swamp. Have decided to call it A Whitney Brown.
Note from Darwin - evolution in isolation probably not a good idea. Too high a chance of mutation.
Note to Darwin - have closely examined it and I believe it to be a reverse evolution of early man. Now what do I call it?
Note from Darwin - lunch!

I really can't say what I think. The insult to US troops is just too much. Score 10 on the sick meter.
ugh!

what flavor? yellow jello?

re: #221 jellobob

No respect for people who lie about military service.

re: #203 jellobob

I do think those who did not serve should not judge those who did.

So, because some cynical little twat like Markos Moulitsas spent 4 years in the Army, he must not be criticized when he defames those who are currently serving?

What kind of horseshit is that?

OR,

jelloblob, for how long were you in the Army? When were you discharged?

You should know by now that you're not going to get an answer. Don't waste your keystrokes.

Kos served in the military.

So did Benedict Arnold.

Both are traitors.

And you're a retard, jellobob.

"No respect for people who lie about military service."

I didn't lie.

"for how long were you in the Army?"

5 years.

When were you discharged?"

1998

re: #222 ChenZhen

Actually I think you guys should congratulate the Kossacks for effectively shooing the guy out of there.

Perhaps. Congratulations might be in order for cleaning house if the topic and resulting discourse wasn't so common there and a few other like sites. Self preservation and a strong sense of PR took hold in the end.

"And you're a retard, jellobob"

LGF civility, the new religion of peace.

re: #230 jellobob

What was your mos.

re: #232 jellobob

LGF civility, the new religion of peace.

What on earth made you think that LGF proported to be civil to morons and trolls, such as yourself? On the contrary, most of us are for doing very uncivil things to your ilk.

You're welcome for clearing that up.

But what about those troops who are not so brave? Perhaps they just signed up hoping for some extra money for college, for the medical insurance, or even some hot gay military sex.

Even Democrats need a job sometimes. What does Whitney expect, political profiling?

re: #70 jellobob

"I served. As a paratrooper. As an infantryman. As a sniper. As a combat vet. Charles Johnson is a far more decent and honorable man than Kos ever was."

Have you met either?

I never met Adolph Hitler, but I think he was a really bad guy.

re: #232 jellobob

"And you're a retard, jellobob"

LGF civility, the new religion of peace.

Dude, you started the argument by implying that Charles Johnson is a "chickenhawk". You've got no right to complain about any lack of civility.

"What was your mos."

I was a 77F.

from jello brain

Me? I'm just a schmuck, and you shouldn't listen to me at all.

A self evident truth.

"Dude, you started the argument by implying that Charles Johnson is a "chickenhawk"."

Actually, I was stating that Charles Johnson should respect Kos's military service. That's all.

"You've got no right to complain about any lack of civility."

Sticks and stones...

re: #232 jellobob

"And you're a retard, jellobob"

LGF civility, the new religion of peace.

Fuck you. I'm a very polite person, as long as people don't get in my face. Ask anyone - I'm polite. You are an asshole and don't deserve kid gloves.

Some funny shiite from all you men and women that do love the US of A and either served in the military, or would have.

Hot military sex... Sheesh

Try thinking about sex after you have humped 30 pounds for 10 miles.
And a fu@cking drill instructor is calling you a fat ass slacker.

Yeow.

Spongebob called says quit f**king up the family name."

Ah... the civility that LGF is famous for.
---

I believe THAT is comedy. Rent a sense of humor and you might lighten up a bit

JJ

"Fuck you. I'm a very polite person, as long as people don't get in my face. Ask anyone - I'm polite. You are an asshole and don't deserve kid gloves."

LGF really is the new religion of peace.

re: #244 jellobob

"Fuck you. I'm a very polite person, as long as people don't get in my face. Ask anyone - I'm polite. You are an asshole and don't deserve kid gloves."

LGF really is the new religion of peace.

Is there an echo in here?

re: #238 jellobob

Pumped gas, huh? That's cool, all service is honorable. I gotta tell you, however, your experience was closer to the the civilian world than it was to the combat arms.

Wow... All I can say is... Wow...

How does this person sleep at night?

Oh, yeah, the so-called moral retards over the last two centuries have fought, bled and died to give this person the right to speak blind, stupid ignorance.

"Is there an echo in here?"

Not really. I haven't used profanity and haven't said anything out of line, and LGF readers have flamed me without cause.

DailyKos was right about you.

re: #244 jellobob

"Fuck you. I'm a very polite person, as long as people don't get in my face. Ask anyone - I'm polite. You are an asshole and don't deserve kid gloves."

LGF really is the new religion of peace.

You should take this one over the 'current' Religion of Peace. Yet it appears you will soon be a banned 'hiss and a byword'.

www. religionofpeace.com

OK. I thought that shehag left the scene?

ANTI-WAR ACTIVIST CINDY SHEEHAN STAGED A MARCH IN WASHINGTON MONDAY - DEMANDING THAT CONGRESS IMPEACH PRESIDENT BUSH. CONCLUDING HER DAY-LONG PROTEST AT THE CAPITOL...SHEEHAN DELEVERED THE CALL FOR IMPEACHMENT TO REPRESENTATIVE JOHN CONYERS, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. AFTER HER CLOSED MEETING WITH THE CONGRESSMAN, SHEEHAN TOLD HUNDREDS OF SUPPORTERS CONYERS SAID THEY DON'T HAVE THE VOTES FOR IMPEACHMENT, AND THAT THEIR ONLY WAY TO MOVE FORWARD IS THROUGH ELECTIONS:

VERBATIM: OUR ONLY RECOURSE WOULD BE TO GET THE REPUBLICAN OUT OF OFFICE IN '08, WHICH IS TOO LATE...(AND THE DEMOCRATS TOO

re: #240 jellobob

Actually, I was stating that Charles Johnson should respect Kos's military service. That's all.

Heh.

No, that's not quite it. You are clearly arguing that Markos is above criticism... even when he defames the men and women who are currently serving this country. Charles is calling him on it. Your sole purpose in this thread is to distract from that point.

re: #243 jjmckay1216

Thank you

re: #252 bulwrk

no prob! Seems that the left lost their sense of humor and SENSE a long time ago

JJ

"Pumped gas, huh? That's cool, all service is honorable. I gotta tell you, however, your experience was closer to the the civilian world than it was to the combat arms."

There was more to the MOS than that, and without me you would have run out of gas!

However, it did suck horribly, and the fumes probably did kill a few brain cells.

re: #240 jellobob

Actually, I was stating that Charles Johnson should respect Kos's military service. That's all.

Just where, exactly, did Charles ever disrespect Kos's military service? Got a linky?

/and hallucinations don't count

Ah, A. Whitney Brown! I remember when he was funny -- or, at least, I remember when I was young and dumb enough to think so.

Not surprised to learn he's a lib; but I didn't realize he'd been drinking Ted Rall's bongwater...

re: #141 CLLRusso

That pretty much nailed it.

re: #244 jellobob

LGF isn't a religion by any stretch of the imagination... Just as not everyone here shares the same views, regardless of the issue being discussed...

But, if you come in looking for a fight, you'll probably get one!

And it might not be pretty, either...

re: #248 jellobob

DailyKos was right about you

.

Sounds right. Judge an entire blogsite and the thousands of people that read and post there because you got flamed by a few. This after you came trolling and didn't care for what you caught.

When were you discharged?"

1998

Now that's odd, because I can't find any references to the Fred Phelps lowlifes protesting anything military-related prior to the 2nd Iraq War.

Hmm.

re: #248 jellobob

"Is there an echo in here?"

Not really. I haven't used profanity and haven't said anything out of line, and LGF readers have flamed me without cause.

DailyKos was right about you.

Daily Kos doesn't know me from Adam's odd ox. You're generalizing. You're bossy. You're insulting. You use the same line over and over. You tell us what to think about you. You tell us what we should think about people, about circumstances, and about issues. You pigeon-hole people YOU DON'T KNOW based on your own set of standards then criticize others for being critical of you based on clearly stated standards. You judge people and expect them to be thankful. I suspect you skipped Critical Thinking 101 in high school.

You are a mouse. You are prey in an alley full of cats.

"No, that's not quite it. You are clearly arguing that Markos is above criticism... even when he defames the men and women who are currently serving this country. Charles is calling him on it. Your sole purpose in this thread is to distract from that point."

I am only stating an alternate point of view.

Markos is not above criticism, but such criticism should respect the fact he did serve, unlike Charles Johnson.

This is from Blackfive a few days ago:

Got this email from a small unit leader in Iraq. It was interesting enough that I wanted to post it:

...So, a while back I told you to remind me about a story I needed to tell you. I suppose everyone who's been here has stories just like this, but this is mine and I'll share it. I met a gentleman who shall remain nameless. He is an Iraqi citizen who owns and operates a crane for the government. I needed a crane, and since I don't know how to use one ... I needed an operator for the crane. This gentleman worked harder for me than three of my own Soldiers. I shouted orders at him all day long and he did nothing but the finest work. He simply would not tell me no. At the end of the day I shook his hand and said "Shukran" which is thank-you in Arabic. He very humbly said you're welcome, he touched his heart and said goodbye. The next day was more of the same, eight hours out in the burning sun and he would not quit or say no. That day, my Soldiers brought him and his worker lunch. We went inside where the sun wouldn't get to us, and I let him eat his lunch in the cool quiet sanctuary. After he finished his meal, I finally got to introduce myself in arabic. I said "ismee John, shismek?" He gave me his name and that opened the door for more conversation, and this was the moment that I'd been waiting for since I was told that I'd be leaving for Iraq.

He said "Sir, when we come here to work we feel safe. It is when we go home at night that we are afraid."

Not only did now I understand why this gentleman, who was twice my senior, would work so hard for me, I finally understood my purpose, my directive, my mission. It is simply to make this man feel safe if only for a little while. If my presence here brings five more minutes of peace to this man, I'll feel I've done something worth while...

"Now that's odd, because I can't find any references to the Fred Phelps lowlifes protesting anything military-related prior to the 2nd Iraq War."

Fred Phelps has been protesting at Army bases since Clinton's Don't ask Don't Tell.

It didn't make the papers at the time (no one cared), but I was there and it happened.

Ask anyone from Topeka, he's been doing this sort of thing for years.

re: #254 jellobob

I said that all service is honorable and I will add that 77F is absolutely vital to the mission. My only point is that the support MOS's do not really impart the full military experience as does the combat arms. I did a stint as a PLDC instructor and I was shocked at that lack of military bearing and expertise of even Level 1 Common Tasks that support soldiers generally have. I have no doubt you fully understood the ins and outs of fuel handling, testing, storage and transport.

re: #261 Cattt

re: #248 jellobob

"Is there an echo in here?"

Not really. I haven't used profanity and haven't said anything out of line, and LGF readers have flamed me without cause.

DailyKos was right about you.

Daily Kos doesn't know me from Adam's odd ox. You're generalizing. You're bossy. You're insulting. You use the same line over and over. You tell us what to think about you. You tell us what we should think about people, about circumstances, and about issues. You pigeon-hole people YOU DON'T KNOW based on your own set of standards then criticize others for being critical of you based on clearly stated standards. You judge people and expect them to be thankful. I suspect you skipped Critical Thinking 101 in high school.

You are a mouse. You are prey in an alley full of cats.