If nude dancing is "speech", this is for sure.

By "this", I mean putting the Koran in the crapper.

ACLU? Hello? Free speech issue? Anyone? Hmm... their phone is silent. Strange.

Cool~!

Now, let's have that "Piss Christ" artist brought up to the courthouse in chains on Monday...

Uh, what?

This hate crime verbage doesn't apply to those of other faiths?

What...am I living in Saudi Arabia or something?

~ENT

Police protecting "sacred" books ?

And the liberals agree, I presume...

Scary.

I remember a Country, how was it called ? ...America...
Long long time ago...

I say the defense should be that the Koran preaches Islam as a political ideology. If burning the American Flag is freedom of political expression, then burning the Koran (or throwing it in the toilet) should be considered freedom of political expression as well.

Arrested for Desecrating a Bible!

/can you imagine?

Reverse the entire situation, with it being a bible in the toilet, and CAIR would be defending the "artist" along with the school and the ACLU.

Makes ya wanna spit, don't it?

Pace University ? Never heard of it.

Korans in the toilet.
The only book that can defile a turd.

JWM

re: #8 DirtyDog

Yes.

As long as he didn't steal the Koran...

How about the elephant dung on the Virgin Mary. Great art? Oh..I get it...desecrate Christians=great art. Desecrate Islam=hate crime.

By God if burning my flag is gonna be considered Free Speech then so is pissing on GD book.

.

Stanislav Shmulevich of Brooklyn was arrested

Did they stick a yellow star to his jacket before the mugshot ?

"Hate crimes" is the problem.

Sadly, Jews have played a big role in promoting this idiotic concept.

Like other such bad ideas (e.g. gun control) it just comes back to hurt the people who fought for it.

A crime is not more or less serious because of what other people suspect the perpetrator was thinking.

In the case of injuring a toilet with a koran, I can see charging the perpetrator with damaging property if in fact there was any damage, but that's the worst case.

At deer camp , this year, the koocran was put in the toilet , one page at a time...pure hate, I guess.

arrested on charges of criminal mischief and aggravated harassment

WHERE ARE OUR RESIDENT ATTORNEYS?!

I can be arrested for harrassing a book?

Free Stanislav Shmulevich !

SAY NO TO THE ISLAMIC KING !

Crucifx submerged in piss = Art

Koran submerged in water = Hate Crime

re: #10 JWM

Korans in the toilet.
The only book that can defile a turd.

JWM

It should be a crime to put a Koran in the toilet...

...the toilets in our country most times lead to sewage treatment plants and putting caustic substances in the toilets upsets the delicate chemistry that allows for anaerobic digestion.

I might have to rethink my position on this.

The leaders at Purdue might have made the right decision for the wrong reason.

/snark off

~ENT

Arrested for a hate crime? This is bad. I hope someone raises funds for him to hire an excellent lawyer. This case could set a dangerous precedent. Our freedom of speech and expression are under attack in Canada and the United States.

I'm in Canada where we have less freedom of speech and I would hate for the great U.S. to lose any of its rights. (I'm pro-Canada and pro-America.)

"Inappropriate recycling" is now a hate crime?

Outrage of the millennium.

Protect Toilets from Korans.

/Personally, I shred Korans.

A chicken in every pot, a koran in every toilet.

After this "case" is thrown out of court, hopefully there will be a major-dollar lawsuit against Pace U. and the police that arrested this guy.

If not, then my faith in the future of this country will be greatly shaken.

I would suggest that perhaps we need to see a LOT more Korans in toilets.

As political expression, of course.

i should be able to flush a koran down the toilet as much as any book... as long as it's cut into itty bitty pieces...

Next they'll be arresting us for thinking unislamic things!

re: #22 Josephine

Arrested for a hate crime? This is bad. I hope someone raises funds for him to hire an excellent lawyer. This case could set a dangerous precedent. Our freedom of speech and expression are under attack in Canada and the United States.

I'm in Canada where we have less freedom of speech and I would hate for the great U.S. to lose any of its rights. (I'm pro-Canada and pro-America.)

Then you, sir, are a rarity...and represent all that is good and noble about Canada.

~ENT

Ps. Thanks again for taking us Yanks into your homes on 9/11 when all our planes were grounded instead of allowing us to 'rot' in the airports. That was extremely kind of you and I shall never forget your compassion toward us on one of America's darkest days...

re: #4 EtNorskTroll

Cool~!

Now, let's have that "Piss Christ" artist brought up to the courthouse in chains on Monday...

Uh, what?

This hate crime verbage doesn't apply to those of other faiths?

What...am I living in Saudi Arabia or something?

~ENT

No Frickin joke.

re: #26 Skul

A chicken in every pot, a koran in every toilet.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH~!

ROTFLMBO!

~ENT

If I were a student at Pace, I would be throwing bibles in toilets and watch for the reaction.

What about this guy...or does he get a pass for being gay?

Gay Artist Burns Rare $60,000.00 Koran

Next they'll be arresting us for thinking unislamic things

!

that is where "hate crimes" lead...

Stanislav Shmulevich of Brooklyn was arrested on charges of criminal mischief and aggravated harassment, both hate crimes, police said. It was unclear if he was a student at the school. A message left at the Shmulevich home was not immediately returned.

Charles, you need to look at this "article" a little closer. We need to find out who wrote it because it is extremely misleading.

1. Criminal mischief and Aggravated Harassment are not "hate" crimes.
2. The "reporter" doesn't name nor quote a police official specifically saying they were hate crimes. There is a big difference between those actual charges. But whoever wrote this was very sly inferring that this what occurred.

Pace classified the first desecration of the holy book as an act of vandalism, but university officials later reversed themselves and referred the incident to the New York Police Department's hate crimes unit.

This article needs a thorough fisking. Just because the incident was "referred" to he New York Police Dept.'s hate crimes unit does not mean a the end result was that of a "hate crime."

I remember a while back you had a similar thread of a news piece that was written by a woman, in NYC, who was a muslim. I believe it was over this same incident?

Do you happen to remember her name? I have a feeling this article was written by her too.

Thanks
Ginn

BTW, this man was charged. I'm not disputing this. Charges come down from the District Attorney's office? Who made the decision and why?

I'm speechless typeless.

U.
F.
B.

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So Arabic doesn't cut & paste anymore, (judging by the preview)?

And then I'd start throwing "1984" in the crapper...

If you live in Utah is it the same if you put a book of mormon in the crapper?
maybe I shoudn't give anyone that idea.
LOL

Was is it a regular swirly or a SUPER swirly.

This is insane, and should go to the Supreme Court, if necessary.

I can't wait to hear the ACLU weasel their way out of representing him. I hope FIRE or somebody steps to the plate.

re: #34 njdhockeyfan

What about this guy...or does he get a pass for being gay?

Gay Artist Burns Rare $60,000.00 Koran

No Fricking Joke...however, he not only will he be sued eventually, CAIR and their I'slum'ic ilk will then push for his beheading for being Gay.

If a Muslim student were arrested for throwing a Bible into a toliet CAIR would be saying the Muslim student was the victim.

You can't win with these people savages.

Stanislav Shmulevich of Brooklyn

Heh.

CAIR is so giddy about enforced sharia in the US they've linked to 2 articles about the arrest...
CAIR: Hate-Crime Arrest in NY Quran Desecrations

Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the national CAIR office in Washington, D.C., has said the organization receives frequent reports of Quran desecrations in the United States, especially postings on Internet sites, but seldom makes them public.

He said CAIR decided to speak out about the Pace incidents because Muslim students are impacted by the creation of what could be viewed as a hostile campus environment.

and...
NY: Student Nabbed in Koran Dunk

The suspect is a Ukrainian immigrant who moved to the U.S. as a boy. He's been splitting time between his Brooklyn flat and his parents' Staten Island home, and works at a European banking firm, Petrovich said.

Shmulevich was a senior at the university when he took "a break" only a few credits shy of a degree in international business, the roommate said.

"He read the Koran," she continued. "He was telling me, 'You should read it.' He's Jewish, but he's theologically sound. Both his parents are ballistic over this."

Flushed by a Jew? Outrage!

I wonder... *finger to chin*... Does anyone up there have a small Bible, Book of Mormon, or Bhagavad Gita they could spare? Just for long enough to tuck *IT* into a tank up at PACE, snap a photo, and then post the shot somewhere up on campus. See if that gets the same reaction? Or maybe a grant from the NEA?

Dreams and Visions in the Muslim World

re: #16 ibrodsky

"Hate crimes" is the problem.

Sadly, Jews have played a big role in promoting this idiotic concept.

Like other such bad ideas (e.g. gun control) it just comes back to hurt the people who fought for it.

A crime is not more or less serious because of what other people suspect the perpetrator was thinking.

In the case of injuring a toilet with a koran, I can see charging the perpetrator with damaging property if in fact there was any damage, but that's the worst case.

I've talked to Jews before, ibrodsky, and many of them have told me that it baffles them why their fellow Jews here in America are for Gun Control. You'd think that a group of people that was literally 'led to the slaughter' would wise up on this position, but no.

It drives my Jewish acquaintances crazy who own guns themselves and are very pro 2nd Amendment. I've seen them cut relations with other Jews who were anti 2nd...

~ENT

sing it - "koran in a toilet" to snl's "dick in a box"...

#34 njdhockeyfan

"The purpose of editing and burning Abrahamic Holy Books is to eliminate homophobic hate," Merrill [The gay artist] stated. "Both ancient books are terrorist manuals."

Puh...leeezzz! That is sooo 2005.

re: #33 Attaboid

If I were a student at Pace, I would be throwing bibles in toilets and watch for the reaction.

I wouldn't advise it. It would just give the Islamists an opportunity to portray themselves as the defenders of religious rights. They are just waiting for a chance to propose laws protecting "all" religions that in 99.9% of cases will be applied to protect Muslims from criticism of any sort.

All hate crime laws are mind crime laws.

Nobody in the US is ready to pass a law explicitly making it a crime to throw a Koran in a toilet, but a hate crime law can apply to *anything*. Y'know, like a "pain and suffering" suit against McDonalds for hot coffee or fattening burgers or aggressive clowns - hey, just where *is* Ronald McDonald these days? I think I'm traumatized by his absence. I think McDonalds hates me. I think I'm gonna be a millionaire!

And this happens in the same city where a Koran was put on display in a police station a few years ago:

While former Alabama Justice Roy Moore has been removed from office due to controversy surrounding a religious display in a public building, the New York City Police Department is displaying a copy of the Muslim Quran in the lobby of its headquarters.

According to Newsday, the holy book was placed in a glass cube atop a brass pedestal at the beginning of the Muslim month of Ramadan, which began Oct. 27. The display is featured near the Hall of Heroes and is placed in front of the official police seal.

Donna Lieberman, the New York Civil Liberties Union executive director, warned against government promotion of religion, saying the Quran display likely violates the Constitution.

"I think that the government, including the Police Department, cannot engage in religious promotion," she told the paper. "There's a vast difference between promoting religion and in educating police officers about religions so that they understand and are sensitive to various values and beliefs."

Continued Lieberman: "It is not always clear where the line is drawn. But when the government engages in promoting religion, that crosses the line."

According to the report, the NYPD has eight chaplains of various faiths.

One of those chaplains, Imam Izak-El Mu'eed Pasha, spearheaded installation of the Quran display. He told Newsday police work makes religion a central part of police life.

"By the nature of the job, they have to have some faith," he told the paper. "There's no way to do it without having faith."

Pasha said it would be "wrong" for the department to prohibit such a display based on church-state separation concerns.

"Without them having faith I think you would have a different police department that probably would not be able to serve all its people in the best way," he is quoted as saying.

Does anyone know if they're doing this every Ramadan?

Go into bookstores. Pick up a koran then place it into the sci-fi/fantasy section where it belongs. Pick up another koran and put that one into the abnormal pyschology section. Pick up another koran and find the nude art section. Keep doing this until you've run out of korans to place or have been thrown out of the store..

U.S. plans big arms sale to Saudi Arabia: report

NEW YORK (AP) _ A 23-year-old man was arrested Friday on hate-crime charges after he threw a Quran in a toilet at Pace University on two separate occasions, police said.

Stanislav Shmulevich of Brooklyn was arrested on charges of criminal mischief and aggravated harassment,

You guys are falling for the "spin" of whoever wrote this piece. They want you to believe that this person was arrested because he committed a hate crime.

Look at this closer. He was charged with "criminal mischief." In all probability the Koran stopped up the toilet. I bet you anything that's what the charges are over. Damage done to the plumbing system.

Again, find out who wrote this. I bet you anything it was that chick who wrote the very same piece when this all started. And she is a converted muslim.

My copy is a leather bound translation which looks rather nice.

Goes to show that you can't judge a book by its cover.

re: #55 Perplexed

Go into bookstores. Pick up a koran then place it into the sci-fi/fantasy section where it belongs. Pick up another koran and put that one into the abnormal pyschology section. Pick up another koran and find the nude art section. Keep doing this until you've run out of korans to place or have been thrown out of the store..

How about the pork recipe shelf in the food section?

Stanislav Shmulevich? Judging by the name, the guy is a Russian Jew. That means that he is likely very pro-America and pro-Israel, and not shy about it. So, who is to say that the Islamists are not framing him? Maybe they threw that Koran into the toilet themselves and then said the this guy did it.
Eric.

Whose country is this?

One more time. He wasn't charged with a "hate" crime. The article deliberately misleading.

I'd hope that all it takes to get this case thrown out is a lawyer quoting the first amendment.

When the government begins prosecuting mind crimes then no one in this country is safe.

Even the lefties.

re: #49 EtNorskTroll

I've talked to Jews before, ibrodsky, and many of them have told me that it baffles them why their fellow Jews here in America are for Gun Control. You'd think that a group of people that was literally 'led to the slaughter' would wise up on this position, but no.

It drives my Jewish acquaintances crazy who own guns themselves and are very pro 2nd Amendment. I've seen them cut relations with other Jews who were anti 2nd...

~ENT

The good news is that there is an organization of Jews who suppot gun rights.

JEWS FOR THE PRESERCATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP, INC.

Khamenei hates us: [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

This is news?

He still has to go before a judge. What's the possible sentence for this?

should have been

" target="_blank">JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP

re: #67 NoSubmission

He still has to go before a judge. What's the possible sentence for this?

Let's hope the judge doesn't have 'Mohammed' somewhere in his name.

How is this different from burning a flag?

Where's the ACLU?

re: #67 NoSubmission

He still has to go before a judge. What's the possible sentence for this?

For what? What was he really charged with?

The reporter wants you to believe he was charged with a "hate" crime. He wasn't.

perhaps it is time to round up all the gideon's bible organization dudes for locking up bibles in dark stuffy drawers of impersonal hotel rooms...

re: #67 NoSubmission

He still has to go before a judge. What's the possible sentence for this?

Hopefully, he will get laughed out of court...koran in a tiolet...bwaaah!

re: #16 ibrodsky

Absolutely.

one last time...

JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP

Announcing Flush the Koran Day.

Sept. 13, 2007 (the first day of Ramadan, to add insult to injury).

A mass protest against the assault on the First Amendment by CAIR. Between now and K-day obtain a Koran. Then on Sept. 13 leave it a public commode of your choice, with a note:

Free Speech knows no Religion.

Stop Sharia Creep!

Pace Uni appears to be a speck of dust on the map.

Watch it shrink to the size of a virus.

re: #68 ibrodsky

How about

REDNECK JEWS FOR THE PRESEVERCATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP?

re: #77 jcm

Announcing Flush the Koran Day.

Sept. 13, 2007 (the first day of Ramadan, to add insult to injury).

A mass protest against the assault on the First Amendment by CAIR. Between now and K-day obtain a Koran. Then on Sept. 13 leave it a public commode of your choice, with a note:

Free Speech knows no Religion.

That might be construed as vandalism.

I suggest publicly burning the koran, instead.

We can all wear ski masks just like the beloved Palestinians...

The Koran is full of hate and violence. Destroying a copy is a statement of peace and love.

This is actually a great opportunity to see this case all the way up to the Supremes to get this kind of law struck down. The very idea of a "hate crime" is incompatible with a free society. Our emotions belong to us, no one can tell us who to hate or love, that is a private choice. Murder is murder, motivation should only play a role in sentencing etc.

The constitution does not guarantee freedom from insult, I am sure to the book worshipers this is offensive but too bad, you want sharia go to pakistan or iran or were ever the f*ck they consider this action a crime.

Lets start a legal defense fund for this guy and hire Dershowitz to defend him all the way to the top. Let us declare on the day of the inevitable court victory that it is the end of the beginning of the attempts to dhmini western culture. I would contribute $$$ in a minute and continue to as long as the defendant is committed to going all the way. Force every politico to declare his/her side on this issue, its a frickin book for f*cks sake, paper , that is all, by definition it cannot be a crime to destroy it (unless it is owned by someone else). To say this is a crime means we accept the islamic interpretation that this book does indeed have mystical properties, in other words to make this charge stand, we must invoke an element of sharia. Totally unacceptable!

Sorry for the rant.

That's it, I'm going to Oral Roberts U and throw a Bible into the toilet. I can wait to see the hate crime charges.

re: #40 NFLFan

If you live in Utah is it the same if you put a book of mormon in the crapper?
maybe I shoudn't give anyone that idea.
LOL

Nope. Do what you will. Though we 'mormons' esteem the Book of Mormon with highest value on Par with the Bible, we have enough sense to realize that the Book of Mormon and the Bible are 'TOOLS' to use and apply. Not a fanatical zeal to believe that the 'Word'(s) are the END ALL BE ALL! We worship the Creator, not the 'creation'. We are grateful we have access to them both though.

Would we get a bit frustrated? Sure. Who doesn't get a bit miffed when something they hold dear is treated in a manner that they think is incorrect. If the threatenings became such that it wasn't just a matter of protest, but that actual harm could affect me or my family...I'd throw down. (Just me speaking on my own behalf...) But to rage and sue over a book...lame, lame, lame...

#7 m 7/28/2007 8:36:31 am PDT reply quote

Arrested for Desecrating a Bible!

/can you imagine?

You're confused. Desecrating a Bible is considered art.

Ginn- he/she's saying those are hate crimes. Or saying the police are saying they are hate crimes.

Stanislav Shmulevich of Brooklyn was arrested on charges of criminal mischief and aggravated harassment, both hate crimes, police said.

Was that an addition to the police statement or part of it?

Whoever it came from is wrong. CAIR would, of course, call it a hate crime *snicker*

Good catch.

re: #57 Ginn

You guys are falling for the "spin" of whoever wrote this piece. They want you to believe that this person was arrested because he committed a hate crime.

Look at this closer. He was charged with "criminal mischief." In all probability the Koran stopped up the toilet. I bet you anything that's what the charges are over. Damage done to the plumbing system.

What about the aggravated harassment part?

re: #57 Ginn

Ginn I hope you are right.

re: #81 North95

The Koran is full of hate and violence. Destroying a copy is a statement of peace and love.

LOL.

I think he hates the toilet.

re: #82 scottthecanuck

Careful. Dershowitz may be a "hate crime" law supporter.

HOW CAN YOU HARASS A BOOK?

re: #59 njdhockeyfan

re: #55 Perplexed

Go into bookstores. Pick up a koran then place it into the sci-fi/fantasy section where it belongs. Pick up another koran and put that one into the abnormal pyschology section. Pick up another koran and find the nude art section. Keep doing this until you've run out of korans to place or have been thrown out of the store..

How about the pork recipe shelf in the food section?

Good idea. Pretty soon they would have to start putting them behind the counter...

re: #92 littleoldlady

HOW CAN YOU HARASS A BOOK?

EXACTLY.

re: #85 BignJames

And it doesn't get us all in a tizzy. It's a frikken book. They can do whatever they want to it and I just shake my head.

His word isn't destroyable :) Besides- they print more every day :)

Unless they messed with my Grandmother's Bible that sits on my coffee table. I'd hurt somebody...

Some one at PU (appropriate acronym) should toss a Bible in a toilet march over to the Police Dept. and confess.

If they are not charged BINGO 14th Amendment challenge.

Shmulevich was awaiting arraignment in Manhattan Criminal Court on hate crime charges for criminal mischief and aggravated harassment, officials said.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

I wonder how long a video of someone flushing a koran would last on YouTube?

"He read the Koran," she continued. "He was telling me, 'You should read it.' He's Jewish, but he's theologically sound. Both his parents are ballistic over this."

LOL, what the hell does that mean?

iSLam is a "hate crime"

re: #55 Perplexed

Go into bookstores. Pick up a koran then place it into the sci-fi/fantasy section where it belongs. Pick up another koran and put that one into the abnormal pyschology section. Pick up another koran and find the nude art section. Keep doing this until you've run out of korans to place or have been thrown out of the store..

I've done that. I've been into a bookstore with my brother, picked up one book I was going to buy, and three Korans. My brother looked at me weird. As I continued to shop, I ended up misplacing the Korans in the Political Terrorism section, the Witchcraft and New Age section and the Gay and Lesbian section.

#99 zulubaby 7/28/2007 9:08:12 am PDT reply quote

He keeps kosher?

Defense funds of any kind always irritates me a bit, just can't see giving money to a lawyer so they can do the right thing. In this case I may make an exception.

re: #97 zulubaby

Oh. That story implies that he took a book that wasn't his.

re: #87 Dragon Drop

re: #57 Ginn

You guys are falling for the "spin" of whoever wrote this piece. They want you to believe that this person was arrested because he committed a hate crime.

Look at this closer. He was charged with "criminal mischief." In all probability the Koran stopped up the toilet. I bet you anything that's what the charges are over. Damage done to the plumbing system.

What about the aggravated harassment part?

That's what I know about too. The only way to find out is the actually contact the District Attorney's office who filed these charges.

I should be shocked at how misleading this article is but I'm not. It was written to inflame. There was no attempt here to even report the facts. Newsday is spreading a "propaganda" piece.

I think every city should hold a privately organized Koran flushing festival every year on September 11. During this festival we can take a few hours to mourn the human losses at the hands of such a corrupt faith and enumerate historical atrocities inspired by this sad excuse for a holy book.

I hope Shmulevich punishes Pace severely for their cowardly submission to the real agents of hatred and intolerance.

But really - contact me (flush_it@karews.com) if you're interested in organizing a Koran flushing festival in your city.

It is my right to say that the Koran is a vile and disgusting book.

/Next time you are in a book store, check to see what shelf the Korans are on. Muslims demand they be on the top shelf to ensure they are always at the top and never below other books.

re: #98 njdhockeyfan

I wonder how long a video of someone flushing a koran would last on YouTube?

Believe it or not there is some goofy website that lets a person select between different religions' holy books and then flush them (in a virtual sense) down the toilet. The Holy Bible is the most popular, followed by the koran.

Emotional Out Cry + Hate Crime Legislation = Thought Crime + Tyranny

2 + 2 = 5

I'm a firm believer in that it's OK to poke fun at everything or nothing is OK to poke fun at. A person has the right to throw whatever religious text into a toilet and everyone else has the right to call him, her, or it whatever they want as a reply. There are people seriously thinking about punishing people who use specific words like the N-word or F-word or any word they have a problem with for whatever the reason, they just don't or don't want to think of the long term problems that will arise in restricting free speech. A law that restricts freedom is just one more link in the chain of tyranny.

#55 perplexed- GREAT idea. That will be fun to do, during every visit to the book store.

Besides, wouldn't it be tantamount to prostitution to sell a Holy item such as the Koran in a kuffir bookstore, anyway?

Hmmm... Just thinking...

Hmmm...

Wonder if this was an English translation of the Koran. If so, then according to Muslim apologists, translations of any sort from Arabic have no theological standing in Islam. CAIR can't have it both ways- they can't keep telling us that translations are always wrong and then try and criminalize the destruction of a translated version of their book.

zulubaby,

Long time no see sweetie

re: #94 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #92 littleoldlady

HOW CAN YOU HARASS A BOOK?

EXACTLY.

I can see how some people might fear for their safety over something like this sort of thing.

But since it was apparently directed at Islam and not Muslims specifically I don't think this should be prosecuted as a crime. Otherwise any virulent criticism against religion, in whatever form, could be prosecuted and freedom of speech goes out the window.

re: #91 ibrodsky

re: #106 arcatan

Yeah 1 Koran for every victim. Might want to reconsider the flushing part though.

LGF: Outrage Of The Week - Man Arrested to Desecrating a Koran

so its legal in this country to burn an American flag...because thats freedom of speech
but if I throw some stupid 1,000 year old storybook in the toilet...thats a hate crime
ahh...of course

re: #110 The Jinxmedic

#55 perplexed- GREAT idea. That will be fun to do, during every visit to the book store.

Besides, wouldn't it be tantamount to prostitution to sell a Holy item such as the Koran in a kuffir bookstore, anyway?

Hmmm... Just thinking...

Selling a koran=prostitution?
Then giving away free korans=aiding and abetting an on going criminal enterprise?

Said before and continue to say it again; where are the RICO indictments?

The moral of the story is if you want to bait members of a religious group by placing one of their icons in a toilet, make sure you own both the icon and the toilet.

re: #86 m

Ginn- he/she's saying those are hate crimes. Or saying the police are saying they are hate crimes.

Stanislav Shmulevich of Brooklyn was arrested on charges of criminal mischief and aggravated harassment, both hate crimes, police said.

Was that an addition to the police statement or part of it?

Whoever it came from is wrong. CAIR would, of course, call it a hate crime *snicker*

Good catch.

Yep. You got it, m. CAIR's history on this type of activity is quite interesting. I remember reading an article that actually went back and found what the end result of what those "hate" crimes that CAIR screamed about turned out to be false.

Why doesn't someone in the MSM investigate CAIR? They're laughable. Yes, both the MSM and CAIR are laughable. But this isn't funny. Not by a long stretch. CAIR knows how to manipulate the press. And a part of that is articles such as this one.

My opinion? The designation of "hate crime" should merely be an aggravator or a tie of conspiracy to a crime against person or property.

There should be a worse punishment if someone graffitis a swastika on a synagogue than if they gang-tag it, or scribble, "Joanie Loves Chachi." If a witch shop gets harassing calls from members of the same church that regularly preaches against its very presence, the guys encouraging it shouldn't get off scot-free simply because they weren't the ones making the phone calls. If a Catholic church keeps being targeted by AIDS activists in the middle of Mass, this is something entirely different than protesting outside.

One thing all of these incidents have in common is that the targeted community fears for their health and safety.

The Koran in question was, according to American law, the property of the guy who bought it. The book not being a living being under the law, it is not subject to cruelty laws. The only problem with his disposal of it, was that it happened in a way that can be interpreted as vandalism of another's property. Swastikas on a synagogue represent a regime that in the past has threatened the health and safety of some of that synagogue's members and their families, and is a credible threat of violence. Korans in the toilet at worst represent one of the apocryphal (and untrue) stories that were coming out of Gitmo, taking adavntage of Muslims being easily offended.

The swastika-writers may come back with baseball bats. The harassing phone calls can be followed by a brick through a window. The wailing AIDS activists can follow someone home. The Koran-flusher can follow up...exactly how?

re: #107 ibrodsky

It is my right to say that the Koran is a vile and disgusting book.

/Next time you are in a book store, check to see what shelf the Korans are on. Muslims demand they be on the top shelf to ensure they are always at the top and never below other books.

Chapters in Canada keeps them about groin level. Not in anyway superior to the other holy books. Still it doesn't hurt to put a bible on top of the Koran stack.

I desecrate my koran weekly.

/What are you going to do about it, cair?

re: #113 Dragon Drop

re: #94 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #92 littleoldlady

HOW CAN YOU HARASS A BOOK?

EXACTLY.

I can see how some people might fear for their safety over something like this sort of thing.

But since it was apparently directed at Islam and not Muslims specifically I don't think this should be prosecuted as a crime. Otherwise any virulent criticism against religion, in whatever form, could be prosecuted and freedom of speech goes out the window.

Even if it WERE directed at Muslims specifically, nothing should be done unless the person does something physical to another person. Kind of like when Arnold Schwarzenegger was running for CA Gov, and he got hit with an egg. Then the moron says, "It was freedom of Speech."

BS, THAT was a PHYSICAL action that physically affected Arnold. What this dude did with the Koran is completely in the realm of 1st Amendment protection.

I am going to take my copy of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, and rip it apart in front of Barnes and Noble...I bet I barely make it out alive!

It is not a good idea to clog the plumbing so the covers should be put in the trash and the individual pages should be used before flushing.

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re: #125 lowandslow

Sorry wrong thread, to many windows open.

re: #119 Ginn

Why doesn't someone in the MSM investigate CAIR?

Possible answers:

1) Professional courtesy among fellow bottom feeders?

2) Cahoots?

3) The MSM does not exist to investigate, silly kuffar, it exists to castigate,
inculcate, dictate and proselytize.

4) Behold, verily I say unto youse that the Islamic Beast will ride the Gramscian Whore straight into the abomination that causes desolation.

;~}

Bye Bye !

At FrontPageMag this week, there was a post titled "THINK NO EVIL" discussing H.R. 1592, federal hate crime legislation (Conyers)which states:

SEC. 3. SUPPORT FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND PROSECUTIONS BY STATE, LOCAL, AND TRIBAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS.

(a) Assistance Other Than Financial Assistance-

(1) IN GENERAL- At the request of State, local, or Tribal law enforcement agency, the Attorney General may provide technical, forensic, prosecutorial, or any other form of assistance in the criminal investigation or prosecution of any crime that--

(A) constitutes a crime of violence;

(B) constitutes a felony under the State, local, or Tribal laws; and

(C) is motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim, or is a violation of the State, local, or Tribal hate crime laws.

Orwell wrote fiction, liberal politicians make it law.

re: #125 lowandslow

Somehow that added an extra https-

Lowes - contact

Academics has become a very strange world. Similar to the limousine liberals, everwhere, where power was grabbed; and their rules are NOT your rules!

Yes, it's all about "power." But in academics, "power" is your parking spot. The rest of the world does not operate this way!

I have no idea what the outcome, ahead, will be. Nor do I think you need an education (edukate-shun) from Pace, or any other degree factory, to make your life better. At best, this crap is just a postponement of adulthood.

And, what the [bigoted word]s now have on their hands, if I'd have to guess from the name of the guy who tossed the koran into the toilet ... in a country that lets you burn the flag. Is that he's an orthodox Jew. So the two sides are gonna match up. In the end?

As I said, you can burn the flag.

And, the war in the senate, now going on with threats from Schumer to block all of Bush's judicial appointments ... may not go over any better than other threats we've seen coming down the pike. Newt's threat to close down government, for instance, did not hurt Bill Clinton.

Impeachment. Did not hurt Bill Clinton.

And, Bush? His speaking skills didn't improve with the stuff the idiots in congress use to "intimidate." Meaning they're all probably holding up "wet korans" without even knowing how foul the water is, dripping on their heads?

CAIR and the other idiots maneuvering our laws to suit their purposes, still haven't galvanized lots of Americans ... the way ... say ... Immigration Bill did. And, he died.

Whatever congress meant by "hate crimes" ... there's the reality that the American people just don't agree.

Too many clowns in office. And, way too many of them are lawyers.

Let alone how you "prove" what landed in the toilet bowl wasn't kaka.

re: #128 saywhat?

(C) is motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim, or is a violation of the State, local, or Tribal hate crime laws.

Orwell wrote fiction, liberal politicians make it law.

I percieve I am a Smurf...ANYONE make fun of Papa and the rest will be sued.

Question. If someone who is gay/lesbian sues for a hate crime, does that said person have to PROVE he/she is gay or lesbian in order for the case to be valid? If so, what is the procedure to 'prove' that they are gay or lesbian? If not, we just take their word for it?

re: #123 Oh no...Sand People!

Even if it WERE directed at Muslims specifically, nothing should be done unless the person does something physical to another person.

I disagree. For example, leaving a piece of paper that says "Kill All Kikes" in a public place is outside the limits of free speech because people may fear for their lives. But it's a difficult issue and I haven't considered all the possibilities yet.

I'm heartened to see so many hitting on the basic point here. The term "hate crime' is caca, regardless of what it describes. It would be nice to see it demolished by SCOTUS on ANY case.

re: #133 Mike C.

I'm heartened to see so many hitting on the basic point here. The term "hate crime' is caca, regardless of what it describes. It would be nice to see it demolished by SCOTUS on ANY case.

Mike, aren't all crimes hate crimes?

re: #30 EtNorskTroll

re: #22 Josephine

...(I'm pro-Canada and pro-America.)

Then you, sir, are a rarity...and represent all that is good and noble about Canada.

~ENT

Ps. Thanks again for taking us Yanks into your homes on 9/11 when all our planes were grounded instead of allowing us to 'rot' in the airports. That was extremely kind of you and I shall never forget your compassion toward us on one of America's darkest days...

ENT -- Thank you for your kind words. Canadians and Americans have a long history of shared ancestry and mutual cooperation.

I'm not a sir (LOL) and I'm not a rarity. Any Canadian whose family has been here for any length of time is bound to have American cousins (whether they know about them or not). Both of my father's grandmothers, and his mother, were American. Some of my American ancestors were in the States prior to the 1841 census.

Are you familiar with the Halifax Explosion? Americans sent a great deal of aid to us in one of our darkest times.

Have you read this about the towns of St. Stephen, New Brunswick and Calais, Maine:

[Link: www.town.ststephen.nb.ca...]
"The two communities share lives as "border towns" in a most neighbourly fashion. In fact, in 1812 the people of St. Stephen loaned Calais sufficient gunpowder to celebrate the 4th of July while both countries were technically at war."

Don't believe everything you hear on the CBC! And God Bless America!

re: #34 njdhockeyfan

What about this guy...or does he get a pass for being gay?

Gay Artist Burns Rare $60,000.00 Koran

He gets a pass for being A Merrill of THE MERRILLS, as in Merrill Lynch.

-S-

In some liberal circles this would be considered a work of art

So it is free speech to call jews hateful names, to repeat and expound upon any blood libel, to falsely attribute the worlds evils to us. It is free speech to piss in a jar with a crucifix. It is free speech to burn a flag. It is free speech to defend the hateful things that kkk, aryan nation, and their fellow travelers shout out to the world. It is free speech to let the kkk and nazis march.

But it is a hate crime to perform an act of free speech. Specifically putting a koran in a commode.

Is this anything other than a test of free speech? Hope this guy gets a competent lawyer. If this is upheld as a hate crime, then a whole slew of new hate crimes have just been established. All because one group did not have thick enough skin in the public narrative to not sweat the small stuff.

We could easily turn this around on them. Friday prayers at mosques calling jews apes and pigs, calling for jihad, are obviously hate speech. Far more so than an act of defiance such as a flush.

re: #106 arcatan

I think every city should hold a privately organized Koran flushing festival every year on September 11. During this festival we can take a few hours to mourn the human losses at the hands of such a corrupt faith and enumerate historical atrocities inspired by this sad excuse for a holy book.

I hope Shmulevich punishes Pace severely for their cowardly submission to the real agents of hatred and intolerance.

But really - contact me (flush_it@karews.com) if you're interested in organizing a Koran flushing festival in your city.

I'll take some of that action, arcatan.

Some of the greatest movements in America were started by just a few people.

Let's make this an annal, National event, everyone!

~Norsk Troll

It's just a f**king printed COPY of the Koran. There are millions of those PRINTED COPIES of the Koran out there, not one of them get "holy blessing". Those [bigoted word]s are stupid.

re: #132 Dragon Drop

re: #123 Oh no...Sand People!

Even if it WERE directed at Muslims specifically, nothing should be done unless the person does something physical to another person.

I disagree. For example, leaving a piece of paper that says "Kill All Kikes" in a public place is outside the limits of free speech because people may fear for their lives. But it's a difficult issue and I haven't considered all the possibilities yet.

Yeah it is tough, if an inch is given on one free speech case, a mile is pushed for the next minute, then we all suffer.

I just figure that if someone can put out a film on how to assassinate G.W. and nothing is done to that person...ANYONE can do and say ANYTHING no matter how base, vile, demeaning, threatening...at this point.

re: #135 Josephine

D'oh~!

Sorry about the 'sir' reference.

I'm just now recovering from LASIK surgery and I can't see that well sometimes...,...

~Norsk Troll

#118 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo:

The moral of the story is if you want to bait members of a religious group by placing one of their icons in a toilet, make sure you own both the icon and the toilet.

Exactly. Let's be sensible.

I wouldn't want some idiot throwing books in my toilet.

re: #140 EtNorskTroll

re: #106 arcatan

I think every city should hold a privately organized Koran flushing festival every year on September 11. During this festival we can take a few hours to mourn the human losses at the hands of such a corrupt faith and enumerate historical atrocities inspired by this sad excuse for a holy book.

I hope Shmulevich punishes Pace severely for their cowardly submission to the real agents of hatred and intolerance.

But really - contact me (flush_it@karews.com" target="_blank">flush_it@karews.com) if you're interested in organizing a Koran flushing festival in your city.

I'll take some of that action, arcatan.

Some of the greatest movements in America were started by just a few people.

Let's make this an annal, National event, everyone!

~Norsk Troll

PIMF: "...annual, National event..."

~ENT

We must have a list, and soon!

BOOKS THAT MAY BE THROWN BOOKS THAT MAY NOT BE
INTO A TOILET THROWN INTO A TOILET

Maybe several lists. One compiled by professors.
One assembled by plumbers.
One based on polls.
Another by book critics. And so on.

And, by Gutenberg, books once were for reading. Bring back toilet training!

re: #21 EtNorskTroll

You have a point there. We don't wanted turds and urines to float up from the toilets when someone "flush" something bigger, solid and filled with papers with words on it.

re: #142 Oh no...Sand People!

The worst part is, like you intimated, the Double Standard.

re: #136 Dr. Shalit

If Charles can post it as one of his front page headliners, I'm curious to see what twitching and seething CAIR and the [bigoted word]s get out of this.

I know it won't make one iota of difference to those highly educated elites on campus, but I sent them the following email today.

To Whom it May Concern

Sadness, and dismay are the only words I can find to describe my emotions upon learning of your unbelievable actions regarding an individual disrespecting a koran. The vast majority of those who follow islam do not respect any other religion, and have total disdain for freedom of thought, or free expression. Who would ever have believed that Orwell's terrifying vision of population control would first rear it's ugly head in our Universities? I was always led to believe that the college campus championed free individual expression, I must have been misinformed. Winston Smith learned the truth, " The future is a boot on a face forever" . Tragic that politcal correctness has taken our nation to this place. It would appear that our great experiment in freedom,and liberty is begining to end, now we have the thought police. I weep for the future of our country.


Sincerely
Steven Reece

re: #62 Ginn

One more time. He wasn't charged with a "hate" crime. The article deliberately misleading.

Are you sure? I thought the way it worked is, if you spray paint a swastika on a synagogue, you are first charged with vandalism, then the hate charge is added - whatever the appropriate legalism is there.

The crime isn't the "hate", but hate is a state of mind that distinguishes accident from premeditation and has a precedent for counting in the charging, judgement, and sentencing of crimes.

re: #143 EtNorskTroll

re: #135 Josephine

D'oh~!

Sorry about the 'sir' reference.

I'm just now recovering from LASIK surgery and I can't see that well sometimes...,...

~Norsk Troll

Norsk Troll -- No probs! ; ) I hope your recovery goes well!

re: #143 EtNorskTroll

re: #135 Josephine

D'oh~!

Sorry about the 'sir' reference.

I'm just now recovering from LASIK surgery and I can't see that well sometimes...,...

~Norsk Troll

I'm getting that done in August. How was the experience?

re: #141 the_flying_pig

It's just a f**king printed COPY of the Koran. There are millions of those PRINTED COPIES of the Koran out there, not one of them get "holy blessing". Those [bigoted word]s are stupid.

I was talking to this Pakistani dude who has followed Islam all his life and he is like 70+, and he told me that if your book isn't in Arabic it is not the Koran. The book is only a translation and not the real Koran. I then asked him if he spoke Arabic...No, but I can read the Koran in it. I asked him if he spoke Arabic..he said no, only Urdu. Then I asked him, "So for all that time spent at Mosque you have no idea what the Imam is saying if it is all in Arabic?"

He replied, "My understanding is getting better...but yes."

Maybe it's best that he DOESN'T understand what Mr. Imam has been telling the congregation...67 some odd years of not understanding a word of what is being said...count me out.

This is a Koran. There are many like it. This one is mine. This afternoon, I think I'll shoot some holes through my Koran, and then just kick it around in the dirt for a bit.

re: #153 njdhockeyfan

re: #143 EtNorskTroll

re: #135 Josephine

D'oh~!

Sorry about the 'sir' reference.

I'm just now recovering from LASIK surgery and I can't see that well sometimes...,...

~Norsk Troll

I'm getting that done in August. How was the experience?

I got Lasik 4 years ago. BEST thing ever. Went in all fuzzy visioned, 2 minutes later and a couple hacked up eyes and laser blasts, I had 20/15 vision and still holding. Even with the 'fish bowl' vision for a week after the procedure I could still see sharper than before. 3 weeks later I was good as new. I recommend it to everyone.

re: #138 kafir

So it is free speech to call jews hateful names, to repeat and expound upon any blood libel, to falsely attribute the worlds evils to us. It is free speech to piss in a jar with a crucifix. It is free speech to burn a flag. It is free speech to defend the hateful things that kkk, aryan nation, and their fellow travelers shout out to the world. It is free speech to let the kkk and nazis march.

But it is a hate crime to perform an act of free speech. Specifically putting a koran in a commode...

It all depends. If no one makes a big enough stink, then the police won't go out of their way to lay charges. But if every other interested group gets organized and makes use of the same laws, either the system will be swamped or the rules will have to be applied in all cases. But a vocal group has to make a fuss.

"The squeaky wheel gets the grease."

re: #158 Josephine

re: #138 kafir

So it is free speech to call jews hateful names, to repeat and expound upon any blood libel, to falsely attribute the worlds evils to us. It is free speech to piss in a jar with a crucifix. It is free speech to burn a flag. It is free speech to defend the hateful things that kkk, aryan nation, and their fellow travelers shout out to the world. It is free speech to let the kkk and nazis march.

But it is a hate crime to perform an act of free speech. Specifically putting a koran in a commode...

It all depends. If no one makes a big enough stink, then the police won't go out of their way to lay charges. But if every other interested group gets organized and makes use of the same laws, either the system will be swamped or the rules will have to be applied in all cases. But a vocal group has to make a fuss.

"The squeaky wheel gets the grease."

Welcome to the One Way street of Liberalism!

re: #16 ibrodsky

"Hate crimes" is the problem.

Sadly, Jews have played a big role in promoting this idiotic concept.

Like other such bad ideas (e.g. gun control) it just comes back to hurt the people who fought for it.

A crime is not more or less serious because of what other people suspect the perpetrator was thinking.

In the case of injuring a toilet with a koran, I can see charging the perpetrator with damaging property if in fact there was any damage, but that's the worst case.

I've always opposed the concept of a 'hate crime' but especially now, because I realise that it bears far too much resemblance to sharia law with its essential inequalities between man and woman, between Moslem and non-Moslem and between free man and slave. Also, within sharia law is the use of 'blood money' which is directly related to the standing of the person against whom a crime is committed : Moslem victims of 'crime' (or their families) receive higher monetary payments than non-Moslem victims, for example. (The travesty of the Bulgarian medical staff ransomed from the Libyans is a perfect illustration.)

This instance of koran burning is being used by CAIR (and its willing non-Moslem legal team) to introduce sharia law as a parallel system by using the essentially unjust concept of a 'hate crime.'

This is the real sense in which Moslems will use Western systems (and the worst parts of them) against Westerners for their Final Solution.

The act of burning the book should be regarded as freedom of speech and it might just serve as an opportunity to make known very publicly the 'hate speech' and political ideology at the core of this book. Moslems always overreach themselves: we should turn this to our advantage.

How many toilets were destroyed when the World Trade Center towers collapsed?

Do not let us forget the toilets in the aircraft.

Toilets were destroyed at the Pentagon too.

*Spit*

Piss Koran

Fay darling, how are you!?

Why the University would even try this is beyond belief.

re: #159 Oh no...Sand People!

"Welcome to the One Way street of Liberalism!"

Someone else has come along and changed the rules of engagement. They (CAIR, etc.) fight dirty. We can either sit back and stay polite (don't make a fuss, ignore the bad taste of Mr. Artiste "Piss Christ"-types) or fight back using the same laws, etc., and insist that we all be given equal treatment.

This is insane.
As I recall from my days as a criminal prosecutor in (update) NY, the crime of "criminal mischief" refers to the destruction of the property of others.

You cannot be charged for destroying something you own.

Further, as noted above, "aggravated harassment" is a misdemeanor version of assault, that is, an attack against a person. Under this statute, you cannot "harass" an inanimate object, or even an animal.

This is no different from SF State trying to punish students for stepping on the Hezbollah "flag."
This sounds like a case for FIRE [Link: www.thefire.org...]
Pace had better be ready for a massive lawsuit, and Jewish targets in NYC had better be ready for some real "criminal mischief" as a result.

What a waste of a perfectly good Koran, tossing it into a toilet unused so to speak. The free Korans that you can get from the Saudis are printed on nice fluffy paper, which makes them great to toss into the toilet one page at a time (after wiping carefully, of course).

insane, why is the media not all over this. And the ACLU, they are the most anti-rights organization I have ever seen they should be condeming this attack on freedom of speech...

re: #164 pat

Why the University would even try this is beyond belief.

The University probably read the Koran and realized that it really isn't a religion. Just some dudes philosophy on killing people that don't see things his way. So, since according to Academia, we are nothing more than organisms without a divine spark, they will welcome this new philosophy with open arms...

Islam will become the bully wing of Academia, (Dissent is futile, believe what we tell you or else), which in turn is the indoctrination wing of the Dems...

re: #165 Josephine

re: #159 Oh no...Sand People!

"Welcome to the One Way street of Liberalism!"

Someone else has come along and changed the rules of engagement. They (CAIR, etc.) fight dirty. We can either sit back and stay polite (don't make a fuss, ignore the bad taste of Mr. Artiste "Piss Christ"-types) or fight back using the same laws, etc., and insist that we all be given equal treatment.

What? Stand up for ourselves? Let the 5% MSM minority realize that the 95% sane are sick of their BS?

I agree.

re: #156 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #153 njdhockeyfan

I got Lasik 4 years ago. BEST thing ever. Went in all fuzzy visioned, 2 minutes later and a couple hacked up eyes and laser blasts, I had 20/15 vision and still holding. Even with the 'fish bowl' vision for a week after the procedure I could still see sharper than before. 3 weeks later I was good as new. I recommend it to everyone.

Great.They sent me a link to a website to answer my questions about it but I am the type of person to rely on reviews by people's personal experiences.

Thanks!

Just curious---wondering if flushing a Bible down the toilet would be considered a "hate crime" by these cretins?

re: #62 Ginn

I bet you anything that's what the charges are over. Damage done to the plumbing system.
...

One more time. He wasn't charged with a "hate" crime. The article deliberately misleading.

Stanislav Shmulevich of Brooklyn was arrested on charges of criminal mischief and aggravated harassment

So, he is being charged with aggravated harrassment of...a U-bend?

This foolishness is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Thanks to our apathy, Islam is making inroads into our society and will do everything it can to bring its philosophy of hate into the USA. Academia, by in large, has been anti-American for some time so it is welcoming this intrusion. Our children are now in the sights of Islam and they are being indoctrinated right under our noses! As long as we are dependent on foreign oil, our "friends", the Saud's, will continue to fund radical Islam and pay for the schools to teach our children how wonderful Islam is.

We are being sold out by the enemy and the enemy is us!

re: #171 njdhockeyfan

re: #156 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #153 njdhockeyfan

I got Lasik 4 years ago. BEST thing ever. Went in all fuzzy visioned, 2 minutes later and a couple hacked up eyes and laser blasts, I had 20/15 vision and still holding. Even with the 'fish bowl' vision for a week after the procedure I could still see sharper than before. 3 weeks later I was good as new. I recommend it to everyone.

Great.They sent me a link to a website to answer my questions about it but I am the type of person to rely on reviews by people's personal experiences.

Thanks!

It's in your best interest to wear the eyepatch's they give you for about 2 weeks. They gave me some retina drops to ease the pain, and to help with your 'dry eyes'. The cutting into your eyes cuts the sensors that tell your body that your eyes need tears or lubricant. It clears up after about the first couple of weeks and you start secreting your own tears again. But I didn't even use the retina drops for pain. My eyes were scratchy, but nothing less than my crummy contacts were doing.

Now if something bad happens in the middle of the night or day, I don't have to play 'hollywood' and fumble for my dropped glasses or worry about finding my contacts...just up and ready.

re: #174 JonR

This foolishness is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Thanks to our apathy, Islam is making inroads into our society and will do everything it can to bring its philosophy of hate into the USA. Academia, by in large, has been anti-American for some time so it is welcoming this intrusion. Our children are now in the sights of Islam and they are being indoctrinated right under our noses! As long as we are dependent on foreign oil, our "friends", the Saud's, will continue to fund radical Islam and pay for the schools to teach our children how wonderful Islam is.

We are being sold out by the enemy and the enemy is us!

What was that? I was busy leveling up my Tauren on World of Warcraft.

/sarc

islam is a perfidious pigshit cult
the koran is just the cult's indoctrination manual
stan's plan for man
end stan's plan

Books do not belong in toilets, especially public toilets. Now, if one owns a book he/she can do whatever they want to it, but, please, don't try to flush it down a public toilet. Not good for the pipes. Shmulevich could have just ripped his Koran up; no, that is not a crime. But remember, no littering.

Mohammadens should grow the hell up; Americans, despite the best efforts of pussified liberals and leftist morons, are not going to be dhimmis. If Mohammadens can't deal with that, then they should move to some "enlightened" Mohammanden paradise like Saudi Arabia. And those self-loathing Westerners so enthralled with Mohammadenism can join them; that way they can enjoy the "benefits" of being a dhimmi.

Thought and speech crimes are next. Watch what you say, Lizard Army!

/I can't believe this

re: #178 Aloysius

Books do not belong in toilets, especially public toilets. Now, if one owns a book he/she can do whatever they want to it, but, please, don't try to flush it down a public toilet. Not good for the pipes. Shmulevich could have just ripped his Koran up; no, that is not a crime. But remember, no littering.

Mohammadens should grow the hell up; Americans, despite the best efforts of pussified liberals and leftist morons, are not going to be dhimmis. If Mohammadens can't deal with that, then they should move to some "enlightened" Mohammanden paradise like Saudi Arabia. And those self-loathing Westerners so enthralled with Mohammadenism can join them; that way they can enjoy the "benefits" of being a dhimmi.

Libs LOVE higher taxes...so of course they would welcome the "dhimmi tax" for being a non believer. The dems and libs think they will get a piece of the Sharia pie...well, they will get something...executed by the Sharia junkies. The dems/libs seem to think they can appease and make friends with the snake. They of course will get bit.

There's a minor art industry for people who like to mess with Christian icons - Piss Christ, the Elephant Dung Madonna ect. If we complain, we are lectured about the artist's higher purpose. But the Koran has to be treated with utmost reverence.

One of these days, some student is going to complain because in some university library somewhere, the Koran is going to be shelved on the bottom shelf and the dhimmi librarians are going to grovel and give it a place of honor. Just wait and see.

This can't have merit . . . let's see if the NYPD "Hate Crimes Unit" actually investigates!

CAIR better be careful - if they're successful with this, this type of 'hate crime' standard could be easily apply to islamofacist hate speech.

Let's see - its OK to burn a flag, burn a soldier in effigy, but not OK to put a book that you own into a toilet? At worst, this sounds like trespassing, or damaging someone else's property. Maybe a fine for roto routing the toilet, but not 'hate crime'!

Welcome to the new jihad - rule the kuffar by warping their own civil liberties . . .

re: #179 greginseattle

Thought and speech crimes are next. Watch what you say, Lizard Army!

/I can't believe this

It is true. I read an article how they are able to monitor certain brainwaves and predict the emotions that people are feeling...they will try this...mark my words...the thought/intention police are coming.

re: #164 pat

There is a branch of Pace near us...I am really shocked, as they are not in the news that often...

Clearly, Stanislav made the mistake of putting the Quran into school property (the commode), making some poor Asian janitor reach his hand into the bowl and dig out that piece of sh*t (the Quran).

Stan should have been a little more clever about his execution...maybe left a "stained" Quran on the floor of the bathroom, or plunged a ginsu knife in the center of the front cover of the Quran and left it in a prominent area of the library, or left a completely incinerated and crispy black Quran in the bathroom, or placed a Quran inside his toilet and distributed pictures of it around campus. The ideas are endless.

As a Muslim, I think I would be more horrified seeing the "dead corpse" of a crispy blackened brittle charred Quran than one that had merely been swimming in the John.

EtNorskTroll - thanks for your support on this idea.

I'm thinking the actual process is to shred one page and then flush it. I'm going to use my internet resources to contact as many people in different cities as I can.

This is not an act of hatred against Islam, it's a statement of support for freedom of expression and a strike against the cowardice of the media and the tyranny of Islamic extremism.

We only have a few weeks before this next 9/11 to get something going. It's my guess that if we only have one or two people in numerous cities and towns, we still have potential media interest.

It's important to not come off as Islam hating crazies because that's how the MSM will try to portray this. We need to be consistent in crafting a statement that reflects our principles as decent, free Americans.

We also need a catchy slogan, for bumper stickers and the sort, something that connects the event with the idea.

I'm thinking something in the way of: Don't submit: FLUSH IT!

Isn't this hate speed?

[Link: nefafoundation.org...]

# 185

Or Stan could have even ripped all the pages out of the Quran at home and left only the hard-cover binding on the floor. Next to the library John. Students would get the hint.

OT: More insanity as the Administration is going to push a $20B sale of arms to the Saudis. Lets see you send your terrorists here and kill us, then you send and fund more terrorists in Iraq to kill us, but since you have a lot of money to spend on US built weapons and pay consulting fees to some of our former govt employees we'll call it even. Read the whole thing - especially the lunacy from our blinkered State Dept who thinks the Saudis could be counted on to stand against Iran. Newsflah they're rich and lazy! Would be a joke if it wasn't so sad. Of course the Israelis will be told to sit down, shut up and not worry while we arm these Islamic sock puppets.

As the sister of a plumber, I plead... no korans in toilets. You can flush pizza, hot dogs, salads, Bibles, Torah's, cow-burgers, tampons, excessive amounts of Charmin, dogshit, catshit, bullshit, horseshit and other miscellaneous shit. All of these items flush well. But (according to my brother the plumber), korans seem to swell in the pipes causing them to burst.

Moral of the story: Korans cause both islamic minds and toilet pipes to burst suddenly and without warning. Also known as Drain Bramage

What is this? Warning pig entrails, korans, blood.

I humiliate my koran every day by leaving it on the floor. Sometimes I put other books on top of it, like the Bible, or something by Robert Spencer. Today, it has female products on top of it.

re: #185 the Daily Kos Om Islaam

Clearly, Stanislav made the mistake of putting the Quran into school property (the commode), making some poor Asian janitor reach his hand into the bowl and dig out that piece of sh*t (the Quran).

Stan should have been a little more clever about his execution...maybe left a "stained" Quran on the floor of the bathroom, or plunged a ginsu knife in the center of the front cover of the Quran and left it in a prominent area of the library, or left a completely incinerated and crispy black Quran in the bathroom, or placed a Quran inside his toilet and distributed pictures of it around campus. The ideas are endless.

As a Muslim, I think I would be more horrified seeing the "dead corpse" of a crispy blackened brittle charred Quran than one that had merely been swimming in the John.

Careful, As a Horcrux, you'll be forced to deal with the spirit of Mo' himself! Better have a sword dipped in Pig poo or something...

re: #163 zulubaby

I'm fine, I 'll email later.

#191

Allah please enlighten me as to what "al fubr" means. I have a feeling I will like it.

re: #194 Oh no...Sand People!

The Spirit of Mo'? Is that like Casper or something?

re: #197 the Daily Kos Om Islaam

re: #194 Oh no...Sand People!

The Spirit of Mo'? Is that like Casper or something?

It's an inside Harry Potter Joke...Read book 2 and it will make sense...

This is pure lunacy.Take the Koran, keep allof the Suras & other craop & substitue Jesus for allah & Christian for Muslim & the book would be branded
hate speech.
Academia is often a refuge for idiots

re: #199 opnion

This is pure lunacy.Take the Koran, keep allof the Suras & other craop & substitue Jesus for allah & Christian for Muslim & the book would be branded
hate speech.
Academia is often a refuge for idiots

Yes. Yes it would.

I'm no expert in this area but I think the question would be, to whom did the book belong?

#183 Oh no...Sand People!

It is true. I read an article how they are able to monitor certain brainwaves and predict the emotions that people are feeling...they will try this...mark my words...the thought/intention police are coming.

There's a sci fi move with Tom Cruise about that very thing. Darned if I can't think of the name of it, but people are arrested for crimes the state thinks they will commit.

The America I know and have loved for 50-something years is beginning to morph into a form of totalitarianism that is more dangerous to our freedoms than Homeland Security and the WOT ever will be. Forget wiretapping, money trails, and even profiling - they are NOTHING compared to the bondage and control the left (and islam) has in mind for us.

Gadfly,

As I said, the enemy is us!

I am going out and buying a Koran ,and then will start my BBQ with some of the pages.

Again - you don't need to flush an entire Koran, just one shredded page to make the full statement.

But we need to make a statement already, hell the leftist Zombies have established their right to desecrate the American flag in any manner NO MATTER WHO IS OFFENDED, but for some reason the same brain dead Zombies have a fit when Islam is insulted.

Actually the reason for this leftist hypocrisy is obvious, it's the same as the mass media cowardice: You can attack anyone who won't or can't attack back, but if you're really threatened in any way you must cowtow to the tyranny.

Come join us for the 1st annual Flush It! and let the sons-a-bitches know that we won't be bullied.

I found the email address of the President of PACE University:

Stephen J. Friedman
sfriedman@pace.edu

Let's let him hear from us in a big way!

re: #202 ladycatnip

#183 Oh no...Sand People!

It is true. I read an article how they are able to monitor certain brainwaves and predict the emotions that people are feeling...they will try this...mark my words...the thought/intention police are coming.

There's a sci fi move with Tom Cruise about that very thing. Darned if I can't think of the name of it, but people are arrested for crimes the state thinks they will commit.

The America I know and have loved for 50-something years is beginning to morph into a form of totalitarianism that is more dangerous to our freedoms than Homeland Security and the WOT ever will be. Forget wiretapping, money trails, and even profiling - they are NOTHING compared to the bondage and control the left (and islam) has in mind for us.

Minority Report.

If we can get rid of the funding we have a chance to stop the 'Government Growth/intrusions'.

This is about the only way I can think of to do it without full on revolt and arms: Click here.

Vik;

That's a great idea but this sort of shit is happening all over the place, in the workplace in schools at all levels and in the national dialog. I think that Pace may be pressured to reconsider but there will still be many more Islamophiles and cowards willing to submit to Islamic censorship.

Join Flush It! and help turn the tide against the insipid submission of Liberalism.

re: #190 Gadfly

"Of course the Israelis will be told to sit down, shut up and not worry while we arm these Islamic sock puppets."

Don't forget this part, Gadfly:

"The $30.4 billion being promised to Israel is $9.1 billion more than Israel has received over the past decade, an increase of nearly 43 percent."

re: #209 Boogberg

re: #190 Gadfly

"Of course the Israelis will be told to sit down, shut up and not worry while we arm these Islamic sock puppets."

Don't forget this part, Gadfly:

"The $30.4 billion being promised to Israel is $9.1 billion more than Israel has received over the past decade, an increase of nearly 43 percent."

Which is still about 60 billion too little. I would rather my tax dollar support those who fight the good fight, than those who are causing us to fight the good fight.

re: #195 Fay

re: #163 zulubaby

I'm fine, I 'll email later.

Lovely, looking forward x

re: #196 the Daily Kos Om Islaam

#191

Allah please enlighten me as to what "al fubr" means. I have a feeling I will like it.

allah = well we all know that's a rock
al = is (in arabic)
fubar = farked up beyond all recognition.

Just passed this by my leftist NYC brother.

He deserved it. He broke the law. He harassed an ethnic and religious group repeatedly.

I suggested he reveal the "law" that was broken, and inform me as to which jurisdiction (US or Shariah), referencing the disgraceful "piss Christ" for a plumb line.

re: #205 arcatan

Again - you don't need to flush an entire Koran, just one shredded page to make the full statement.

But we need to make a statement already, hell the leftist Zombies have established their right to desecrate the American flag in any manner NO MATTER WHO IS OFFENDED, but for some reason the same brain dead Zombies have a fit when Islam is insulted.

Actually the reason for this leftist hypocrisy is obvious, it's the same as the mass media cowardice: You can attack anyone who won't or can't attack back, but if you're really threatened in any way you must cowtow to the tyranny.

NO.. DO NOT FLUSH any koran.. not even one page. It swells pipes and minds.

Come join us for the 1st annual Flush It! and let the sons-a-bitches know that we won't be bullied.

Concerning the hate-crime dimension, I came across this yesterday:
Arrest Made In Quran Desecrations At Pace Univ.

The Islamic holy book was found in a toilet at Pace's lower Manhattan campus by a teacher on Oct. 13. A student discovered another book in a toilet on Nov. 21, police said.

Muslim activists had called on Pace University to crack down on hate crimes after the incidents. As a result, the university said it would offer sensitivity training to its students.

The school was accused by Muslim students of not taking the incident seriously enough at first. Pace classified the first desecration of the holy book as an act of vandalism, but university officials later reversed themselves and referred the incident to the New York Police Department's hate crimes unit.

The incidents came amid a spate of vandalism cases with religious or racial overtones at the school. In an earlier incident on Sept. 21, the school reported another copy of the Quran was found in a library toilet, and in October someone scrawled racial slurs on a student's car at the Westchester County satellite campus and on a bathroom wall at the campus in lower Manhattan. Police did not connect Shmulevich to those incidents.

re: #208 arcatan

Vik;

That's a great idea but this sort of shit is happening all over the place, in the workplace in schools at all levels and in the national dialog. I think that Pace may be pressured to reconsider but there will still be many more Islamophiles and cowards willing to submit to Islamic censorship.

Join Flush It! and help turn the CHARMIN against the insipid submission of Liberalism.

Fixed that for ya.

Man, everybody knows you don't flush a Koran. They make a great substitute in the outhouse when the sears catalog finishes. They also make great rolling papers as well as good targets at the firing range.Have you ever seen what damage a 9 mil can do to the word of Mohammed?

Sand people,

Well it's not like we're selling the Saudis suicide belts, is it? I thought it was mostly high-tech stuff. Fighter jets and things.

re: #208 arcatan

Vik;

That's a great idea but this sort of shit is happening all over the place, in the workplace in schools at all levels and in the national dialog. I think that Pace may be pressured to reconsider but there will still be many more Islamophiles and cowards willing to submit to Islamic censorship.

Join Flush It! and help turn the tide against the insipid submission of Liberalism.

The good thing is, we can do both Flush It!, and, pressure the administrations at Universities that are supporting this sort of thing. They don't like getting pressure from the public. In fact, it's public pressure from Islamists that they are responding to. If they were hearing as much from us as they do from the Islamists, something different would probably be happening.

They need to hear from us as well!

Hmmm.. If I whipe my holyarse with a page from al-Hadith.. does that also qualify as an arrestible offense? The al-Hadiths are the "he-said she-said, that I heard Mo say that.. ".

If flushing the koran (or its abominous pages) is a hate crime, what say the elders of the powers that be of law enforcement, thought crimes, hate crimes on the flushing or desecration of the "he said he heard her say that Mo said that his cousin said that his dog woofed and that made mo blush and blushing is a sin".

Is flushing or desecrating the al-Hadiths also a Hate crime?

re: #218 Boogberg

Sand people,

Well it's not like we're selling the Saudis suicide belts, is it? I thought it was mostly high-tech stuff. Fighter jets and things.

I wish it were suicide belts...then we would know that one of them is guaranteed to die if put to use. The high tech stuff can cause harm to the good guys without the Saudi's being put in harms way at all...

I am no fan of Saudi Arabia. They are Sharia law scum. They are loving it for they are getting their Sharia Pie and we are enabling them with weapons to be used against those who don't eat it too.

Have reconsidered.

Flushing a koran is toilet abuse - and flush plumbing is one of the great creations which raises Western Civilization above 6th century barbarity.

Therefore korans should never be flushed.

Instead, they make fine firestarters for the We-Don't-CAIR bbq and book-toss. Pork ribs, anyone?

I wonder what the cops would say if you called and asked to file a report of a hate crime at the local art museum were you saw a "artist" put a cross upside down into a jar of human piss.

In my humble opinion, I don't see what Pace can do about it now as the man has been arrested on criminal charges.
Again, I am not expert but two things come to mind-to whom did the book belong? And was this an intentional act to imtimidate Muslim Students?
I believe these are items that the accused atty will take up.

I winder what the ACLU will have to say. 965 percent support the arrest, 5 percent oppose.

If the ACLU don't rush to protect this guy, then they're the biggest frauds in history. And where's the entertainment industry, and MoveOn.org, et al, fighting the religious totalitarianism?

It is time for a new American Revolution against a foreign tyrant on the march against our liberties. Men of the West, arise. Dump the tyrant's rant into the Kohlers, the American Standards, the Home Depot generic Glacier Bays.

It is time for a Boston Pea Party.

re: #48 mjazzguitar

Dreams and Visions in the Muslim World

That was totally creepy.

Sand people,

My point was that the high-tech stuff really ISN'T useful in spreading sharia. It's useful in making craploads of money for defense contractors in my state though.

Israel has sold weapons too. I won't bother to list their customers. :D

re: #229 Boogberg

Sand people,

My point was that the high-tech stuff really ISN'T useful in spreading sharia. It's useful in making craploads of money for defense contractors in my state though.

Israel has sold weapons too. I won't bother to list their customers. :D

I have no problem with defense contractors making money, but when the government is too greedy/stupid/dhimmi to realize what the result of the sale will be then it gets a little ridiculous.

Israel has sold weapons. Olmert is at 8% popularity. If the will of the Israelis was represented in Government Israel would be (and SHOULD be) a lot bigger geographically.

Sorry to be OT but has anyone been following the ordeal (not) of the princesses who were forced to sit next to unrelated males?

Link

They got a fine UK send-off once they were removed from the flight.

re: #231 Perplexed

Sorry to be OT but has anyone been following the ordeal (not) of the princesses who were forced to sit next to unrelated males?

Link

They got a fine UK send-off once they were removed from the flight.

Wow, I wonder when the lawsuit against the airlines will show up. I love the 'Jeering and whistling' part. Good stuff.

Hey, They burned Beatle records after John Lennon said The Beatles were more popular than Jesus. Would it be too outrageous to have a bonfire of korans?

they better get to printing millions of korans cause theres a galaxy of toilets just waiting for a koran...a fury of flushin bowls heard round the world

He would have been okay if the Qur'an had been in this format.

I am so sick of this crap, I just sent an email to cair to express my outrage

To whom it may concern;

What in the living HELL is wrong with you people? So what? Someone expressed their 1st Amendment Rights according to US Law and you guys seethe! I am of Irish & Greek decent. If everytime someone told a "Drunk Irishman" joke or a "How do you seperate the men from the boys in Greece...with a crowbar" joke and I seethed, I'd be in an insane asylum.

Grow the hell up people. This is America. Learn to adapt. Do not test our patience with these insane rules of engagement. From the insanity of Muslims not allowed to scan pork products, to Minneapolis cabbies not allowing seeing eye dogs in their cabs, to the Imams on the plane, to being allowed to pray five times a day in schools and me not allowed to pray to MY God in school, it is getting very tiring.

If our American flag can be burned in protest and someone can make a movie about how to assassinate President Bush and nobody be arrested, then this attempt to send someone to jail for flushing the koran is ludicrous.

I am planning on buying about ten korans and destroying them on my property, asap. I will rip up the koran page by page and flush it down my toilet. The koran is owned by me and my toilet is owned by me and there is absolutely nothing you can do to me. This is America. Freedom of speech. I do NOT hate Muslims. I HATE islam. I HATE sharia law. I L O V E being an infidel and since this is America, there is absolutely nothing you can say or do to me. Suck it up, cair.

Quit seething at every turn and maybe, MAYBE, the hate you seem to feel towards muslims just might dissipate. Keep seething and I feel it just might get worse. And that is not good for OUR nation.

Sincerely,

jj

/rant done
/for now anyway

re: #230 Oh no...Sand People!

Olmert is at 8% popularity. If the will of the Israelis was represented in Government Israel would be (and SHOULD be) a lot bigger geographically.

8%? Holy shit.

Ok. So how big should Israel be? I take it there's no "two state solution" in your view.

re: #194 Oh no...Sand People!

re: #185 the Daily Kos Om Islaam

Clearly, Stanislav made the mistake of putting the Quran into school property (the commode), making some poor Asian janitor reach his hand into the bowl and dig out that piece of sh*t (the Quran).

Stan should have been a little more clever about his execution...maybe left a "stained" Quran on the floor of the bathroom, or plunged a ginsu knife in the center of the front cover of the Quran and left it in a prominent area of the library, or left a completely incinerated and crispy black Quran in the bathroom, or placed a Quran inside his toilet and distributed pictures of it around campus. The ideas are endless.

As a Muslim, I think I would be more horrified seeing the "dead corpse" of a crispy blackened brittle charred Quran than one that had merely been swimming in the John.

Careful, As a Horcrux, you'll be forced to deal with the spirit of Mo' himself! Better have a sword dipped in Pig poo or something...

Of course, when the memory becomes flesh, spells his former name: Madam More Him Led, in fire -- using his wand -- you'll find out that he's changed the letters to spell "I am Lord Mohammed".

re: #237 Boogberg

re: #230 Oh no...Sand People!

Olmert is at 8% popularity. If the will of the Israelis was represented in Government Israel would be (and SHOULD be) a lot bigger geographically.

8%? Holy shit.

Ok. So how big should Israel be? I take it there's no "two state solution" in your view.

Let me see...this may help to Illustrate, (If you believe in a two state solution after seeing this...well good luck to you.)

Then after you're done looking at the picture move to THIS thread to realize how joy joy our friend the Saudis are...

Would it be ok to eat pork while using the Koran as a napkin or say, a pork barbecue sandwich holder? How about using the Koran to soak up all that fat from the breakfast bacon before serving it? :)
I think there should be a list someplace of different uses for a Koran. I personally, would like to use one as a doorstop. If you really wanted to freak out library patrons, how about cutting and pasting a playboy centerfold in the middle?

Your first link didn't work for some reason, Sand people. I'm following the second link.

    Ah, how far away are thoughtcrimes (i.e., just thinking about wiping shit inside the flyleaf of the Koran) now?  Not far enough away, I'm thinking.  The shape of things to come if you ask me (and with changes made by me), with apologies to the original:

    For some time he sat gazing stupidly at the paper.  The flatscreen had changed over to strident military music.  It was curious that he seemed not merely to have lost the power of expressing himself, but even to have forgotten what it was that he had originally intended to say.  For weeks past he had been making ready for this moment, and it had never crossed his mind that anything would be needed except courage.  The actual writing would be easy.  All he had to do was to transfer to paper the interminable restless monologue that had been running inside his head, literally for years.  At this moment, however, even the monologue had dried up.  Moreover his varicose ulcer had begun itching unbearably.  He dared not scratch it, because if he did so it always became inflamed.  The seconds were ticking by.  He was conscious of nothing except the blankness of the page in front of him, the itching of the skin above his ankle, the blaring of the music, and a slight booziness caused by the gin.

    Suddenly he began writing in sheer panic, only imperfectly aware of what he was setting down.  His small but childish handwriting straggled up and down the page, shedding first its capital letters and finally even its full stops:

April 4th, 2014.  Last night to the movies.  All war films.  One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere south of San Diego, crossing to Baja.  Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away with a helicopter after him, first you saw him wallowing along in the water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights, then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as suddenly as though the holes had let in the water, audience shouting with laughter when he sank.  then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a helicopter hovering over it.  there was a middle-aged woman might have been a Jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in her arms.  little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting her arms round him and comforting him although she was blue with fright herself, all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought her arms could keep the bullets off him.  then the helicopter planted a 10 pound bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood.  then there was a wonderful shot of a child's arm going up up up right up into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it up and there was a lot of applause from the Caliphate seats but a woman down in the kuffar part of the house suddenly started kicking up a fuss and shouting they didnt oughter of showed it not in front of kids they didnt it aint right not in front of kids it aint until the Mujahideen Bassijis turned her turned her out i dont suppose anything happened to her nobody cares what the kuffar say typical kafir reaction they never --

}:(     [You don't know how wrong I hope I am ... ]

Koranic Pork BBQ - is that similar to Moronic Pork BBQ?

Gotta fight the power that be. Perhaps we could establish this as a yearly free-speech day and celebrate it by flushing, burning Korans across the country!

Charles:

    Just an FYI, LGF said I was logged in, twice I tried to post something, each time it said I wasn't logged in, yet still indicated that I was.  I finally logged out and logged back in and it says I'm logged in and it seems to be working file.

}:)     [I'm using IE6, if that makes a difference.]

Do anyone of you remember the John Conyers ammendment he brought forth in the house earlier this year. It was about making it a crime to ( a felony I believe) to say things against Islam. My wording may not be exact but this ammendment was definately serious. I did not think it would pass and did not follow it but this leads me to think it may have, or it may still be out there waiting to be earmarked in some bill.

re: #186 ConservativeAcademic

Methinks Pace University is going to get FIRED.

This is right up FIRE's alley, who regularly nails college/university loads for shredding the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Seriously, if an a-hole like Chutch wanted to talk about "little Eichmanns" in the administrations of academia, he'd have been more on-target. He'd have still have been an a-hole who deserved to be fired, though.

    Pork sausages barbecued over Koranic briquettes ... sounds yummy.

}:)     [Except for the possible toxicity of the content, er, ink ... ]

It appears he was just returning the book to its natural habitat.

re: #245 Kulhwch

Charles:

    Just an FYI, LGF said I was logged in, twice I tried to post something, each time it said I wasn't logged in, yet still indicated that I was.  I finally logged out and logged back in and it says I'm logged in and it seems to be working file.

}:)     [I'm using IE6, if that makes a difference.]

    FYI, still happening ...

}:/     [Just think you'd like to know ... ]

    OT, I know, but still ...

    The holiday season is approaching, and here's a great idea for adding just that 'right' kind of flair to your holiday packages and gift wrapping:

    From Kuffar Kraft Nite at the 'Smith'* Household: origami pigs made in a variety of forms like this, this, this, or these two (note: 2 links there) ... a personal favorite even if the pig is missing a leg ...

    Makes exciting additions to gift wrapping, and folded out of sheets of the Koran make them especially memorable for any Moslems on your gift list.  If you don't have a Koran (are you sure? did you check your septic tank?), you can always Xerox a page for folding.  Reproduced on light green paper, especially if certain parts highlighted in gold, gives just the right effect.

    Next week: how to raise the level of pork in cookies and other holiday treats, invisibly ...

}:)     [* Or was it 'Jones'?]

How about some Jihad porn? Someone could market Islamic lingerie with Koranic panties. Of course, she'd have to cover her face.

re: #236 jjmckay1216

Wow, jj, please tell us if you get a reply.

So now one can be arrested for being rude and really annoying to someone? Because that is what this case boils down to.

I hope that he fights this and takes it all of the way to the Supreme Court. Once we make ANY book 'sacred' (as long as it doesn't belong to someone else)...once we say 'we will jail those who scoff at someone's religion' then we're really in a s*** sandwich.

And the libs worry about loss of freedoms like wiretapping people from other countries? This man was taken to JAIL in this country for not being 'respectful'.

Burn that flag. Free speech.
Crucifix in urine. Free speech.
Koran in a toilet. Free speech.

If the guy doesn't argue the first amendment in court, he's got a moron for a lawyer.

Alright, who would be interested in a dedicated site devoted to Qurans in public toilets?

You have to remember the context. Who's Koran? On who's property?

If the Koran is the university's, and if the toliet is the university's, he did commit an act of vandalism, but not a hate crime. There should be no such thing as a hate crime.

One is free to denounce religion, but not free to violate someone else's property.

Yikes! I knew something was wrong! Who's = Whose. I don't know what came over me...

Even if the toilet belongs to the university (and ergo is not the private property of the person in question), despite all of the sex crimes, binge drinking and illegal/dangerous whatnot on college campuses these days, I would certainly view a book in a toilet as a monumental moment of vandalism that must be addressed in a serious fashion with the perpetrators prosecuted to the full extent of the law. It's the bloody beginning of Armageddon. What's next? Dogs and cats, doing it with each other? (nod to Bill Murray)

/sarc

It seems our once great country is devolving into a banana republic. Can anything be done? Short answer is no. Too many special interests are vested in the type of miscarriage of justice discussed in this thread. Law enforcement has created a vast array of drug laws that deprive us of property and freedom, the race lobby has passe these idiotic "hate" crime laws that has effectively destroyed the concept of "double jeopardy", & the various Attorneys General use any of the above 2 loopholes to destroy anyone they want.

It is pretty much hopeless.

But Hate Crime legislation is real.
While this man did not attack a person, it could be argued that he did what he did to intimidate Muslim Students (think burning a cross on someone's lawn).
Intent will be a very big part of this trial (if it comes to one).
I am just giving my lay legal (I am not currently an atty but do work in law) opinion.
If the book was his and there was no malicious intent-then something else may be argued.
Vandalism certainly if the toilet was damaged by his act.
If the book belonged to the school -then vandalism again (book and toilet-possibly theft on the book)
I believe, in my humble opinion, intent will be a major factor .

re: #256 Student of Objectivism

If burning a flag has been held to be protected free speech, than why isn't dunking a book also protected free speech, especially when that book contains hateful words against kafirs. Shouldn't dunking that book be considered a protest against hate -- the hateful words written in that book?

In the old days, long ago, one would assume that the ACLU would enter the case, for the sake of individual freedom and an individual's protected right of free speech. But realistically, the ACLU is today a far left organization, and the radical left is aligned with the Islamists, so forget about the ACLU getting involved to protect the individual's rights in this case.

We can expect more cases, in which the Islamists cause kafirs to be charged with undhimmi-like behavior, and call that a hate crime, and seek to take away the freedoms that the kafir still enjoys in a kafir land. Since the ACLU will not get involved except to protect their Islamist allies, there should be some other organization of attorneys that will take on such cases, for the protection of individual rights.

Maybe it might call itself the National Civil Liberties Union, by analogy with the American Civil Liberties Union, and take on the cases that the ACLU refuses to take -- that is, those in which the liberties of kafirs are denied in tribute to Sharia.

Oh my fucking head!

re: #253 Josephine

I sure will. Away from my home pc, but when I get back after the Rockies beat L-A, I'll let ya know

JJ

First of all... burning books reflects poorly on the one doing the burning... and...

But certainly their silence illustrates the "BigLie" of the Ward Churchill types and the ACLU. But...

They are giving us no choice... let's all buy Korans, burn 'em, and post the YouTubes. Not because we care about the content... but because they are books. Print more if you care.

Then, Come and get all of us... I dare you.