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Kos and MoveOn Harass Fox News Advertisers

Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 9:08:15 am PDT

Retaliating against Bill O’Reilly for criticizing their hate speech and anti-Americanism, far left group MoveOn.org and hate site Daily Kos are joining forces in a thuggish effort to harass and pressure advertisers into dropping Fox News.

NEW YORK - Liberal activists are stepping up their campaign against Fox News Channel by pressuring advertisers not to patronize the network.

MoveOn.org, the Campaign for America’s Future and liberal blogs like DailyKos.com are asking thousands of supporters to monitor who is advertising on the network. Once a database is gathered, an organized phone-calling campaign will begin, said Jim Gilliam, vice president of media strategy for Brave New Films, a company that has made anti-Fox videos.

The groups have successfully pressured Democratic presidential candidates not to appear at any debate sponsored by Fox, and are also trying to get Home Depot Inc. to stop advertising there.

At least 5,000 people nationwide have signed up to compile logs on who is running commercials on Fox, Gilliam said. The groups want to first concentrate on businesses running local ads, as opposed to national commercials.

“It’s a lot more effective for Sam’s Diner to get calls from 10 people in his town than going to the consumer complaint department of some pharmaceutical company,” Gilliam said.

Markos “Screw Them” Moulitsas is gloating that they’ve already succeeded in intimidating one advertiser: Daily Kos: Lowe’s pulls advertising from O’Reilly show.

UPDATE at 7/28/07 10:10:02 am:

Interesting. Markos “Screw Them” Moulitsas is taking credit for Lowe’s dropping the O’Reilly show, but apparently this is very old news and has nothing to do with the Kos thugs. From February 2, 2007: Lowe’s: Let’s Boycott O’Reilly Together.

Home-improvement chain Lowe’s has pulled its advertising from The O’Reilly Factor following comments host Bill O’Reilly made about Shawn Hornbeck, the 15-year-old Missouri boy who recently returned to his parents after four years in captivity.

(Hat tip: carefulnow.)

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1 zombie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:09:18am

They getting into dangerous territory.

2 zombie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:09:38am

Mess with the cash, reap the whirlwind.

3 zombie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:11:00am

Problem: a lot of people watch Fox. Good market share. MoveOn members don't buy anything that isn't overpriced boutique crap. Advertisers couldn't care less if MoveOners boycott them.

4 jcm  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:11:02am

Sign for the list (if your inbox won't retch), call in support and patronize the businesses.

Cuts both ways.

5 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:12:05am

The advertisers who cave will lose more customers than the ones who tell Kos to FO.

6 BabbaZee  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:12:26am

KOS carries the cooties of Stan's kiss of death, therefore it will only attract even more advertisers to Fox.

Thanks, Markos
~ Rupert Murdoch



Lamont, you big dummy!

MOOhahhahaa!

7 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:12:47am

Lowe's is the first to cave in.....
Lowe's pulls advertising from O'Reilly show

Lowe's constantly reviews advertising buys to make certain they are consistent with its policy guidelines. The O'Reilly Factor does not meet Lowe's advertising guidelines, and the company's advertising will no longer appear during the program.

8 EC Marm  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:13:51am

Home Depot could probably care less. They probably know damn well that the basement dwelling KosKids couldn't pick up a hammer and hit a nail if their lives depended on it. Might hurt 'em a little bit in Weldwood sales, though, it they were to boycott the stores.

9 zombie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:13:51am

Believe it or not, I had a conversation with one of the MoveOn founders the other day. They don't seem personally involved in the organization any more. It's going on its own momentum. They're involved in other pursuits now (which seem very small-time, to be frank.) In fact, MoveOn never really was that big of an organization, it just got promoted so heavily by a sympethic media that it has grown mostly by reputation, not by actual power.

10 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:13:56am

re: #2 zombie

Maybe this will motivate Fox and O'Riley to do some research and really hammer Dkos.

11 littleoldlady  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:14:11am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Lowe's is the first to cave in.....
Lowe's pulls advertising from O'Reilly show


Lowe's constantly reviews advertising buys to make certain they are consistent with its policy guidelines. The O'Reilly Factor does not meet Lowe's advertising guidelines, and the company's advertising will no longer appear during the program.

I'm sure HomeDepot will step into the void.

Then Lowe's will be back. ;-)

12 The Jinxmedic  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:14:32am

Insane.

One-way free speech is double-plus ungood.

13 Mortis  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:15:01am

FNC in my area (Rhode Island) has commercials for Sicko.

Think those'll get pulled?

14 Charles  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:15:10am

re: #1 zombie

They getting into dangerous territory.

I agree. I would not be surprised to see Fox News file suit against them over this tactic.

15 zmdavid  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:15:18am

I saw a commercial for Sicko during O'Reilly (Malkin) last night. I wonder if they'll call Mr. Moore? Would he be sympathetic?

16 Dragon Drop  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:15:53am

This is what y'all get for pummeling JetBlue...

17 Split Level Head  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:16:08am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Lowe's is the first to cave in.....
Lowe's pulls advertising from O'Reilly show

Lowe's constantly reviews advertising buys to make certain they are consistent with its policy guidelines. The O'Reilly Factor does not meet Lowe's advertising guidelines, and the company's advertising will no longer appear during the program.

Well, it looks like Lowe's will not get my business anymore

18 EC Marm  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:16:08am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Lowe's is the first to cave in.....

Then let me be the first to announce that I intend to boycott Lowes. F#ck 'em, in the words of Kos.

19 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:17:21am

re: #11 littleoldlady

Koskidz are already working on Home Depot....
More on Lowe's pulling ads from O'Reilly

And by the way, what made Home Depot sensitive enough to pull its ads from BET, but not sensitive enough to pull them from FOX?

Maybe you'd like to ask.

(Contact info redacted - ed)

Update by kos: Remember to be polite when emailing. If your email looks anything like the winger hate mail I'm getting, it won't be effective at all.

20 scottthecanuck  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:17:28am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

So what Markos, thats only the O'Reilly show not the network, that kind of attention just boosts ratings and lures other advertisers.

21 Ginn  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:17:30am

re: #3 zombie

Problem: a lot of people watch Fox. Good market share. MoveOn members don't buy anything that isn't overpriced boutique crap. Advertisers couldn't care less if MoveOners boycott them.

Exactly.

22 Ginn  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:18:05am

re: #14 Charles

re: #1 zombie

They getting into dangerous territory.
I agree. I would not be surprised to see Fox News file suit against them over this tactic.

That would be most excellent.

23 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:18:48am

re: #14 Charles

I'd think that if you could sue over boycott attempts Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would have been shut down long ago.

24 Ginn  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:18:54am

re: #14 Charles

re: #1 zombie

They getting into dangerous territory.
I agree. I would not be surprised to see Fox News file suit against them over this tactic.

Wow. That green. Perky!

Now I don't even need a latte.

25 littleoldlady  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:18:55am

Good grief! Charles is TONKS!

/changing colors right in front of my eyes

26 nyc redneck  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:18:55am

lowe's is now off my list and i'm going to go in and tell them why, in person.

27 zombie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:19:02am
At least 5,000 people nationwide have signed up to compile logs on who is running commercials on Fox, Gilliam said.

Heh. Fox's market share will only go UP because of this. More people are watching!

Wouldn't it be ironic if those 5,000 had their eyes opened by continuous watching of Fox, and ended up like Pod People when it came time to turn in their list?

"So, Josh, you've been watching Fox for two weeks straight. Where's your list of their advertisers?"

"Must...bomb...Iran. Michelle Malkin...is...so...hot..."

"My god, they got to him!"

28 Ginn  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:19:47am

re: #6 BabbaZee

KOS carries the cooties of Stan's kiss of death, therefore it will only attract even more advertisers to Fox.

Thanks, Markos
~ Rupert Murdoch


Lamont, you big dummy!

MOOhahhahaa!

LOL!

29 phoenixgirl  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:19:48am

re: #25 littleoldlady

lol

30 zmdavid  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:20:09am

re: #13 Mortis
They're probably national ads (I'm in Indiana).

31 EC Marm  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:20:11am

I have spent nearly 30k at Lowes the past two years. I'll spend the extra two minutes to drive to Home Depot from now on.

32 Carolyn  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:20:16am

I just bought $200 worth from Lowes yesterday. I guess I'll have to make a slightly longer drive to Home Depot next time.
Lowes had better re-think this one, Fox is the number 1 rated news channel.

33 lowandslow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:22:10am

Lowe's, let them know what you think.

Customer Care (CON8)
Lowe's Companies, Inc.
P.O. Box 1111
North Wilkesboro, NC 28656
1-800-445-6937
Contact Us:

34 wanumba  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:22:42am
#7 Killgore Trout
Lowe's pulls advertising.


No great loss. May be a BIG mistake on Lowe's part. How many of Lowe's regulars graviate to Koz? How many Koz wouldn't be caught dead in a Lowes? Meanwhile, consumers are getting fed up with the mass lines of poorly constructed Chinese imports. Badly milled, missing parts, all looks and lousy function. The appearance of choice, but all the same crap now, coast to coast.
Good time for American manufacturing to come back - quality is the word the customers are demanding. Maybe Fox can do like Rush, get the small, loyal guys and take them national.

35 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:22:49am

re: #3 zombie

Problem: a lot of people watch Fox. Good market share. MoveOn members don't buy anything that isn't overpriced boutique crap. Advertisers couldn't care less if MoveOners boycott them.

Zombie -

To amplify your comment, look at the ratings on cable. Fox generally gets as many viewers as CNN and MSNBC combined. Advertising is based on "CPM" - Fox delivers more "M's", and until recently has had lower advertising rates. If I were a large advertiser and NOT advertising on Fox
I would expect to get a LOT of questions at the next shareholder's meeting.

-S-

36 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:22:49am

re: #31 EC Marm

I have spent nearly 30k at Lowes the past two years. I'll spend the extra two minutes to drive to Home Depot from now on.

me too. I remodeled my old house and then moved and remodeling this house. still have lots to do and will no longer buy from lowes. Anyone got contact info for lowes? Just want to give them a heads up and cancel my lowes credit card.

37 lobo91  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:23:01am

This comment was amusing:

Congrats Markos (12+ / 0-)
Recommended by:pharoah, behan, bablhous, Progressive Moderate, ikrisarus, Dr Benway, Silent Lurker, vets74, madgranny, ms scarlett leadpipe, mommaK, dstavro
Wow.

They take one of our sponsors, we take two of theirs.

They take another, we take two more of theirs...

This is hardball.

The center-left DailyKos community, against the Extremist Fox community.

"Center left"? What the hell are they smoking?

38 Charles  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:23:31am

re: #16 Dragon Drop

This is what y'all get for pummeling JetBlue...

Uh ... excuse me, but I did not sign on to the JetBlue thing, and in fact I think it was a bad idea. O'Reilly should have focused on the political candidates who are attending YearlyKos and made them account for their pandering ... not the sponsors.

39 lowandslow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:24:00am

Let's try it again.
Lowe's contact info.

40 the_flying_pig  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:24:05am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

That mean people who watch O'Reilly show won't be shopping at Lowe. What's next? Kossuckers pressuring Home Depot customers to boycott Fox Network?

41 zmdavid  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:24:06am

re: #23 Killgore Trout
Maybe KOS and MoveOn will do something dishonest in the boycott that will allow a lawsuit to win.

42 BabbaZee  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:24:32am

ooOOoo. Neon Green. Nicer than Salmon even.

43 deacon  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:24:37am

Looks like I need to stop shopping at Lowe's.

Does anyone have their email so I can write and complain about Lowes taking advice from internet sites that advocate hatred and assination of anyone that does not agree with them?

44 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:26:42am

Lowe's Contact Us.

45 Daryl Herbert  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:27:05am

“It’s a lot more effective for Sam’s Diner to get calls from 10 people in his town than going to the consumer complaint department of some pharmaceutical company,” Gilliam said.

Translation: 10 whack jobs from out of state will call poor Sam at his diner to tell him that "local customers" like themselves won't patronize his business.

46 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:27:11am

re: #33 lowandslow

Lowe's, let them know what you think.

Customer Care (CON8)
Lowe's Companies, Inc.
P.O. Box 1111
North Wilkesboro, NC 28656
1-800-445-6937
Contact Us:

GMTA but, you did it better.

47 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:27:52am

This scare tactic is the same thing they do to the Democrats. I don't think Fox News will cave. They will lose all credibility if they do.

48 little boomer  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:27:58am

re: #6 BabbaZee

That Lamont link is hysterical!

49 EC Marm  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:29:42am

re: #36 newsjunkie_ky

me too. I remodeled my old house and then moved and remodeling this house. still have lots to do and will no longer buy from lowes.

Have you noticed lately how empty they are during the day? Or is it just that way in Pennsylvania? They used to be three and four deep at the register, now it's right up and plunk your stuff down.

50 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:30:20am

re: #39 lowandslow

Let's try it again.
Lowe's contact info.

Thanks, just sent in my comments. Very respectful but forceful.

51 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:30:22am

O'Reilly said he is going to show a 'very disturbing' picture posted on DailyKos.

Any idea which one he may show?

52 kahall  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:30:23am

Damage to FOX. Minimal if any.

53 Capt_Faust  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:30:32am

I am so sick of these asshats...

54 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:30:58am

re: #46 MandyManners

actually you did it better. It's much better to link to phone numbers than post them directly...

Posts that contain phone numbers, addresses, or other personal information will also be deleted.

55 lowandslow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:32:16am

re: #46 MandyManners

Yeah but my first link didn't work.

I told them since they plan on discontinuing advertising on O'Reilly I plan on discontinuing shopping there. Not that I ever did, but.

56 Charles  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:32:18am

Actually -- an 800 number is OK to post, because it clearly belongs to a public company, not an individual.

57 BabbaZee  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:32:28am

re: #48 little boomer

Yea... I love that.

KOS ~

Duckies long lost evil twin ?

Discuss.

Gotta go..

Get 'em Lizards.

58 missouri boy  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:32:29am

re: #27 zombie

LOL! that is good...

59 Capt_Faust  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:32:37am

re: #51 NJDhockeyfan

O'Reilly said he is going to show a 'very disturbing' picture posted on DailyKos.

Any idea which one he may show?


All of them...its moonbat central...

I mean look at zombies pics of the hard core leftists...thats enough to give you nightmares forever...


/ Breasts not bombs he/she/it activist... EWWWWWW (shudder)...

60 zombie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:33:04am

I thought Lowe's was facing bankruptcy anyway.

At least, that's what I heard last year sometime. Home Depot and Walmart were just burying them.

I think Lowe's has a lot of experience making stupid marketing and product decisions.

61 Geepers  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:33:47am

Looks like Lowe's is gonna lose a lot more business from conservatives not shopping there because they don't like them caving to pressure from the kos kidz than they are from the slacker brigade who've never lifted a hammer in their lives.

They really need to do better market research.

62 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:33:50am

So what? Glue and paint sales take a small dip from the sniffers. These geeks wouldn't know what to do with a power tool if their lives depended on it and they don't sell reefer rollers at Home Depot.

If HD wanted to have a real marketing scheme (Lord knows their stock prices could use a boost), they would make it a point to advertise that KKKos is boycotting their stores. I guarantee you it would boost sales. Frickin' real men shopping at Home Depot disdain these slacker punks.

KKKos carries a margin of clout concerning groveling politicians because a vote is free - no thanks to the country they live in that gives them the right. Businesses run on capital MarKKKos and for the pleasure of the stockholders who own the company of which I'm one. We don't give a hoot in hell about dopeheads. In fact, my not frequenting our businesses, you're doing us a favor. I don't have smell your foul stench anymore while I walk the paint aisles.

63 phoenixgirl  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:33:55am

re: #57 BabbaZee

babba, i love ducky.

64 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:34:23am

re: #59 Capt_Faust

He said he will show this picture Monday night and issued a graphic warning ahead of time. I think this may be one of their worst ones.

65 odhran  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:34:24am
This is what y'all get for pummeling JetBlue...

Now we can "pummel" Lowe's I guess, whatever that means. If you don't think JetBlue deserved some flak (pun intended) for making a stupid business decision like that, I don't know what to tell you.

I find it hard to believe that Lowe's would cave in to the brown shirts.

Fox News has the ratings, most companies would not be as foolish as Lowe's. Are they going to start advertising on Olbermann's show instead? Haha, if I was a Lowe's shareholder, I'd be slightly peeved.

66 BabbaZee  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:34:51am

re: #63 phoenixgirl

Me too. Duckie was the man.

Bye!

67 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:34:56am

re: #49 EC Marm

You're right. I only go during the week and during the day. I think there are 4 lowes people to every 1 customer.

68 NoSubmission  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:35:14am

Just because the nutroots threaten a boycott doesn't mean that the rest of the public goes along with it. Ask any Lowe's shopper if they even read KOS.

69 tankdemon  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:36:34am

Is any news outlet really where Lowe's wants to advertise? I would have thought they would be targeting HG and DIY networks, and shows like Trading Spaces. Those and sports.

70 Geepers  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:36:36am

NY Times Editorials - From The Last 10 Days

Can you spot a trend here?

71 RTLM  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:37:27am

The Koslings, C&Lr's, MoveOn's etc... will giggle themselves pink over this "victory" of theirs. But their still stuck with the fact the ratings determine ad revenue and Bill still has the biggest audience.

If the Lowe's Board is packed with libtard assholes who pander to Kos - its their loss.

72 zombie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:37:50am

Damn, I was just researching Lowe's -- they're bigger than I realized. A huge chain.

Well, even so, there was a report last year that they were doing badly in sales. And I can understand why -- the one Lowe's I've been to (in southern California) was really run-down and ratty. Also, they seem to target a lower-income market share than Home Depot, so they're often in dodgier areas.

73 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:38:34am

re: #16 Dragon Drop

I encourage your entourage to protest all stores that advertise on FOX. We'll see who has the deeper pockets.

74 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:39:34am

Haven't read the entire thread, so if this has been posted already I apologize.
According to the koskids, they are compiling a list of folks who advertise on O'Reilly. I suggest we simply wait until they publish their list and then notify those sponsors (assuming they do sponsor O'Reilly; the koskids are NOT noted for their accuracy on those rare occasions when they DO research anything) of our willingness to boycott THEM if they let politics decide which show(s) they'll sponsor or not.

75 lowandslow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:40:22am

re: #70 Geepers

NY Times Editorials - From The Last 10 Days

Can you spot a trend here?

They're all highly critical of the liberal/Democrat agenda? Well, maybe not.

76 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:40:32am

re: #72 zombie

Actually Zombie, Lowe's has been kicking HD's butt of late. But we can help change that pronto.

77 dr. akim ullsheetbay  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:40:41am

if you are inclined to call, lowe's is answering the customer care phone with live representatives today - saturday - so pick up the phone.

78 phoenixgirl  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:42:15am

maybe lowe's can't afford the advertising and was dropping out anyway

79 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:42:33am

re: #77 dr. akim ullsheetbay

And I would add that it would help to have an itemized list of exactly what you've purchased recently. In my opinion, it would be more effective to go to the store with your list and tell the management (like I did to Target) of exactly what they are getting read to lose.

80 lowandslow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:42:57am

re: #74 realwest

How you doing realwest!

re: #77 dr. akim ullsheetbay

I'm on it.

81 Thanos  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:43:13am

re: #1 zombie

They getting into dangerous territory.

Exaclty -- when I wrote I explained that to them. Do you want to lose business from folks who have six figure or near six figure incomes over complaints from people who live in their parent's basement?

82 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:43:21am

ready...

83 zombie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:43:52am
#62 goodbye_natalie
These geeks wouldn't know what to do with a power tool if their lives depended on it and they don't sell reefer rollers at Home Depot.

Actually, I know a LOT of MoveOn types around the Bay Area. They do a lot of hardware shopping but only by proxy: for every single home improvement project, they hire illegal alien contractors who buy all the stuff themselves and include it in the final bill, which is paid by check as the homeowner sips some Sonoma Valley Chardonnay, and says, "Moocho Grass-ee-as, Peedro!" And the reason I know they hire illegal aliens is that it is common party conversation around here to BRAG that you PURPOSELY hired illegal aliens, just to get back at Bush.

But yes, you're right: they wouldn't know a hammer from a wrench.

84 RTLM  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:44:11am

And what the heck are "advertising guidelines" anyway?

85 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:44:15am

re: #51 NJDhockeyfan

I'm guessing this, we had a thread of it here on lgf but I can't find it.

86 Dragon Drop  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:45:01am

re: #38 Charles

I wasn't thinking of you personally, but I apologize. Glad to hear that you were against, even if not publicly.


re: #73 goodbye_natalie

re: #16 Dragon Drop

I encourage your entourage to protest all stores that advertise on FOX. We'll see who has the deeper pockets.

OK, I guess I'm a troll now. Sorry for not drinking the Koolaid.

Cut me some slack, Charles?

87 Ginn  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:45:50am

Babba

Bye?

88 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:46:11am

I have no intention of contacting Lowe's. I do intend to never shop there, ever, as if it really makes any difference to those who cave in the the threats of moonbats.

You live in the bed you make.

89 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:46:26am

re: #80 lowandslow Hello my friend! I've been doing much better since the second epidural, thanks for asking!
How are you doing - and it's good to see you out here!

90 new_tommy  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:46:46am

Here is my brief comment to Lowe's customer service:

I won't be shopping at Lowe's in the future if they are going to bend to the will of the Daily Kos and MoveOn.org and join in a boycott of Bill O'Reilly's show. I don't watch O'Reilly's show, but I despise those who would side with a blog who's members promote 9/11 conspiracy theories and attack the U.S. military:

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

I'll be sure to let everyone I know in the military not to shop at Lowe's in the future.

91 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:46:59am

re: #83 zombie

I'm sure you're right about San Fran. But I can assure you Tulsa is far more typical of the at large community. And that ain't going to fly here or most other places where they still like America.

92 Capt_Faust  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:47:06am

re: #64 NJDhockeyfan

re: #59 Capt_Faust

He said he will show this picture Monday night and issued a graphic warning ahead of time. I think this may be one of their worst ones.

In that case I do wonder what it is...any leaks on what it is? Anyone troll KOS to find strange pics?

/ Things that make you go...hmmmmmm...

93 Thanos  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:47:28am

re: #56 Charles

Actually -- an 800 number is OK to post, because it clearly belongs to a public company, not an individual.

*** Channeling the LA art boutique salesman from "Beverly Hills Cop" ****

"Would you like a twist of Lime with that?"

94 NotTheMomma  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:47:52am

I contacted Lowe's and informed them I, nor my friends or family will patronize their store until they change their mind.
Money. It's all about money.

95 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:48:45am

re: #33 lowandslow

Lowe's, let them know what you think.

Customer Care (CON8)
Lowe's Companies, Inc.
P.O. Box 1111
North Wilkesboro, NC 28656
1-800-445-6937
Contact Us:

Press #3, then #3 or #4.

96 lowandslow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:49:21am

re: #89 realwest

Excellent news!
I'm fine, just grabbing some lunch and heading out for another beautiful afternoon here in the northwoods.

97 Northpaw  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:49:23am

I don't do boycotts but will now go to HD or Sutherlands (which are very close to Lowes here) for things I used to buy at Lowes. Lately I've been finding Lowes overpriced anyway.

98 Ginn  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:49:43am

Wow! KOS says Lowes has pulled its ads because of their grass roots campaign.

Those KOS guys must really have their act together!

/takes tinfoil hat off

99 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:50:05am

Please don't like to kkkos unless you tell me that is the site. I do not like visiting that site even for a second. Let us know what you what us to know but please don't make me go there. It makes me wanna barf.

100 Capt_Faust  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:50:25am

re: #93 Thanos

re: #56 Charles

*** Channeling the LA art boutique salesman from "Beverly Hills Cop" ****

"Would you like a twist of Lime with that?"


Can you get Mr...Achmelll...Acqwell...?

Axel...

...Foley an espressoooo...

101 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:50:27am

I love boycotts. It's war by pocketbook.

102 SouthTexas  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:50:58am

Greetings,

As a Lowes's customer at home AND at work, as well as being a devoted Nascar fan, I am deeply disturbed at the decision to pull advertising from the Bill O'Reilly show.

I honestly believe you are alienating more customers and will be losing far more business with this decision to bow to those at MoveOn and DailyKos.

You will surely lose all of my business if this is not rectified.

ST

103 Geepers  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:51:01am

Schumer admits he's dumber than the idiot chimp:

“Were we duped?” he asked.

“Yes,” he said

“There is no doubt that we were hoodwinked”

I always knew Chuck was an idiot, I'm glad to see he's owning up to it.

104 zmdavid  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:51:03am

re: #83 zombie
How does hiring illegal aliens hurt Bush? He's for amnesty. Just more confirmation of our thoughts on these people (that they are ill-informed).

105 whosoever  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:51:24am

We all, of course, are free to shop wherever we want, watch whatever we want, and organize any kind of boycott we want.
Thank the Lord we have a free country in which to do so.
I think the free publicity will help Lowe's competitors in the short run.
Long live capitalism!

106 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:52:33am

I am sceptical of Lowes pulling their advertizing because of the Koslings. I do remember O'Reilly hammering Lowes during the Christmas holidays.

I give this the 72 hour rule.

107 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:53:07am

re: #99 newsjunkie_ky


LINK LINK

108 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:53:14am

re: #14 Charles Charles - while I wish I could agree with you on this, I can't. They are, legally anyway, simply exercising their right of Freedom of Speech.
If you could sue over boycotts, I think the "Right Reverends" Jackson and Sharpton would've had their shirts sued off by now!

109 new_tommy  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:54:33am

re: #106 NJDhockeyfan

I am sceptical of Lowes pulling their advertizing because of the Koslings. I do remember O'Reilly hammering Lowes during the Christmas holidays.

I give this the 72 hour rule.

All the more reason to let Lowe's know what is going on. If the Daily Kos is lying, they could be in some serious shit.

110 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:54:52am

re: #86 Dragon Drop

I don't know you to be a troll. I didn't know me to be a Kool-Aid drinker.

I just don't pull the sheets over my head like some do. Anything that agitates KKKos or any of the other dregs that frequent that site is good in my book.

111 JonnyMac  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:55:07am

Well said whosoever. This is faux outrage. What about all the boycotts Charles encourages of 'peace scarves' etc? Win the war of ideas, don't bleat about crap like this.

112 shifty  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:55:16am

Soon they will realize that your typical nance from the kos has no use for a power tool. Perhaps if it were Bed, Bath and Beyond they would have something to worry about.

113 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:55:16am

Addendum to my #108 - Charles, what's with the green today? Frankly I think you look prettier in pink!
(ducks and slowy hobbles away!)

114 Dianna  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:55:34am

Simple solution. If the advertisers cave, those who find that annoying simply won't purchase their products.

It evens out.

115 mitthrawnurdo  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:55:36am

OT

"U.S. Set to Offer Huge Arms Deal to Saudi Arabia"

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

116 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:56:03am

re: #106 NJDhockeyfan

I am sceptical of Lowes pulling their advertizing because of the Koslings. I do remember O'Reilly hammering Lowes during the Christmas holidays.

I give this the 72 hour rule.


So you think that the AP just decided to throw a whopper out there, maybe just because it's a slow day?

Your incredibility is showing.

117 zmdavid  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:56:28am

I predict O'Reilly will turn this into O'Reilly vs. Soros. He complains about Soros funding 'leftist smear sites' all the time.

118 squarepeg  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:56:40am

I'm a little woozy here, so please explain.

We think Lowe's caved, so we want to take them down--

but we think JetBlue did the right thing? Or we think JetBlue was dumb?

In L.A., local sponsors of a radio host who trash-talked George Bush called the host on the air and told him they were yanking their ads on account of his views. Do we agree with this in principle?

And how could Fox sue on account of this? What's illegal about this silly campaign?

119 Airedale  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:56:55am

Those flying imams have a right to board planes with whatever they want.... I support this boycott of USAir !

huh?

what?
Lowes?

oh,
I support the boycott of Lowes for refusing the imamns from shiopping...

oh.

I support the right to boycott all FOX programs based on what KOS sa,CAIR or DNC says......

except for football when it's in season....


/ mindless boycott "X" screed

120 EC Marm  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:56:57am

#62 goodbye_natalie

So what? Glue and paint sales take a small dip from the sniffers.

Assuming that they weren't 'lifting them, in the first place.

re: #106 NJDhockeyfan

I am sceptical of Lowes pulling their advertizing because of the Koslings. I do remember O'Reilly hammering Lowes during the Christmas holidays.

I give this the 72 hour rule.

The only thing I can find on the internets is that he talked about their "Holiday Tree" banners.

121 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:57:21am

Are these the Gaza greenhouses?....

Israel Air Force Attack on Tunnel in Gaza Strip

122 Charles  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:57:25am

re: #111 JonnyMac

Well said whosoever. This is faux outrage. What about all the boycotts Charles encourages of 'peace scarves' etc? Win the war of ideas, don't bleat about crap like this.

Please cite one post at this blog in which I have advocated a boycott.

Hint: you can't.

123 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:57:33am

The man's got his boot on a sistah's neck!

124 Thanos  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:58:46am

Well Lizards, hate to leave you but, I've still got work on the bathroom to do, so I'm headed off to the harware stores that don't start with "L", back a bit later.

125 Airedale  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:59:08am

re: #117 zmdavid

I predict O'Reilly will turn this into O'Reilly vs. Soros. He complains about Soros funding 'leftist smear sites' all the time.


Isn't George Soros funding the overthrow of Iranian mullahs?
at least the Iranians caught his zionist spies in time.

;)

126 Capt_Faust  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:59:20am

I, being the rabid KOS poster I am, hereby declare that we boycott the warmongering, imperial, poverty making company ____________ (fill in the blank) as an enemy to the Soviet Soc....uhh... I mean an enemy to the American Socialist....uhhh...I mean UN Loving Americans....wait....uhhh... all peace loving Americans everywhere. Do not buy this product under penalty of KOS disbarment, which is much like intellectual death...so thats it.

Avoid purchasing any products from ________ (company of the week) and remember that Bushhitler is going to place you in the camps next week...cause he still has 17 months to consolidate power and arrest you because of the evil Zionist Charles and LGF who only mean to kill your children and shoot your pets and....(slobber slobber drool drool), keep Bushhitler in power forever! PS the CIA is beaming microwaves that control the weather into my gold fillings...


/ Daily KOS tinfoil hat off...

127 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:59:40am

re: #111 JonnyMac

I don't ever recall a boycott being discussed. To complain about a specific product is perfectly justifiable.

128 RedPepper  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:59:50am

As someone who has a credit card at Lowes, may I suggest the following:

1) Email might get paid more attention to than a phone call.
2) Tell them what you've heard. Ask them, "Is this true?" Request that they write back to you with an answer.
3) Let them know, if it is true, that you will no longer do business with them.
4) Be prepared to walk the walk!

5) Pay attention to which other companies may cave.
6) Repeat as necessary

/that is what I intend to do, anyhoo ...

129 EtNorskTroll  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 9:59:53am

I've already written to all the sponsors of the show that the Kos site linked to:


I just wanted to send you a quick note to tell you how much I appreciate you advertising on Bill O'Reilly's show on Fox News. I watch his program often and think that his efforts to squelch hate sites like DailyKos and other KKK and Neo Nazi type websites is laudable.


I've gotten received some nice replies:

Thank you for contacting us.

We appreciate hearing from viewers concerning the content of a television show
in which our commercials appear. We make every attempt to choose shows that
have a record of good taste and respect for their audiences.

You can be sure that your comments will be passed on to all individuals
concerned.

Thank you for writing to us.
The Consumer Affairs Team
013248389A/EJL

and this one:

Dear "Norsk Troll" (-ed. changed to protect my indenity):


Thank you for taking the time to contact Bayer HealthCare regarding our recent advertising campaign. We are always pleased to hear from our satisfied consumers.

We are glad to hear that our sponsorship has been well received. Our Marketing department and advertising agencies will also be pleased to receive consumer feedback.

If I can be of any further assistance, do not hesitate to contact me.

Sincerely,

Taren Werkheiser
Consumer Relations Representative


Send your own in, people!

~Norsk Troll

130 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:00:21am

Hey, Lizards, this is really old news that Lowe's moved to other spots on Fox for their advertising. Their decision had nothing to do with MoveOn or Kos.
[Link: www.radaronline.com...]

131 Jonas Parker  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:00:42am

Dear Lowe's:

It's a real pity that you canceled your sponsorship of Bill O'Reilly on Fox News at the behest of the lunatic left-wingers at DailyKos. I spent an awful lot of money at your store in Nacogdoches after hurricane Rita, and I purchased $1200 worth of washer and dryer from your store in Lufkin. From now on, my wife and I will not patronize your store. Our retired Marine next door neighbor and his wife won't either. Nor will my six children (2 on active duty - one deployed) and their families, nor the Sgt. Major's extended family. By my count you have just lost the business of 11 families, all with good credit, all of whom will be headed to Home Depot now. Please give an extra bonus to the boneheaded executive who made this decision.

With deep sympathy to your stockholders,

Sincerely,

Mr. and Mrs. Jonas Parker

132 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:01:00am

re: #85 Killgore Trout Hi ya Killgore! Just wanted you to know that your link isn't working for me (get Page not found message).

133 Northpaw  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:01:02am

re: #122 Charles

re: #111 JonnyMac


Well said whosoever. This is faux outrage. What about all the boycotts Charles encourages of 'peace scarves' etc? Win the war of ideas, don't bleat about crap like this.

Please cite one post at this blog in which I have advocated a boycott.

Hint: you can't.

Exactly Charles. I remember you saying that the Jet Blue thing was dumb by O'Reilly, and your posts about "peace scarves" have served simply to point out the cluelessness and/or deception of the outfits selling them.

134 EtNorskTroll  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:01:23am

re: #112 shifty

Soon they will realize that your typical nance from the kos has no use for a power tool. Perhaps if it were Bed, Bath and Beyond they would have something to worry about.

Oh, the irony!

Those who are 'tools' themselves have no use for power tools.

heh.

~Norsk Troll

135 Geepers  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:01:29am

JonnyMac (#111),

Yeah, all the LGFers who won't be buying keffiahs is really gonna cut into their sales.

136 whosoever  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:01:45am

Lowe's is too far away from me anyway.
Home Depot is closer, but I like Jimmy Johnson better than Tony Stewart, because I live in San Diego.
I think I need to consult Dear Abby....

137 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:01:49am

Hello? Is this thing on?

138 zombie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:02:01am

re: #111 JonnyMac

Well said whosoever. This is faux outrage. What about all the boycotts Charles encourages of 'peace scarves' etc? Win the war of ideas, don't bleat about crap like this.

That's exactly what we're talking about. It is a war of ideas and messages. If the Left can harrass Lowe's to drop their advertising, then we can inform Lowe's that they're losing customers because of it. And we'll take the list developed by MoveOn and use it against them, to call the same businesses and encourage them to advertise on Fox.

At the very least, these corporations and businesses will realize that they stumbled into a ridiculous petty online flame-war that made the leap to the real world, and they will no longer put any credence into the bullying of the Moveon-ers.

139 EtNorskTroll  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:02:36am

re: #131 Jonas Parker

Dear Lowe's:

It's a real pity that you canceled your sponsorship of Bill O'Reilly on Fox News at the behest of the lunatic left-wingers at DailyKos. I spent an awful lot of money at your store in Nacogdoches after hurricane Rita, and I purchased $1200 worth of washer and dryer from your store in Lufkin. From now on, my wife and I will not patronize your store. Our retired Marine next door neighbor and his wife won't either. Nor will my six children (2 on active duty - one deployed) and their families, nor the Sgt. Major's extended family. By my count you have just lost the business of 11 families, all with good credit, all of whom will be headed to Home Depot now. Please give an extra bonus to the boneheaded executive who made this decision.

With deep sympathy to your stockholders,

Sincerely,

Mr. and Mrs. Jonas Parker

LOL!

Very nicely said, Mr. Parker!

~ENT

140 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:03:01am
Contact information for Lowe’s, in case you’d like to let them know what you think about them caving in to a site like Daily Kos: Contact Us. (Be polite!)

Done. Please follow suit; it matters.

141 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:03:48am

re: #132 realwest

Huh, I double checked and it still works for me. Maybe your ISP has it blocked.
It's good to hear your second epidural is working. How long before you know for sure?

142 smfoushee  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:04:13am

I just emailed Lowes:

I've spent thousands of dollars at your stores over the past couple of years since becoming a home owner, and have made Lowes my families only store for home improvement products. However, I just read that your company has caved into one of the internet's most vile hate-filed websites (DailyKos.com) and pulled advertising from Fox News on their request ([Link: www.dailykos.com...] I'm sorry you feel that FoxNews does not "meet Lowe's advertising guidelines", so I regret to inform you that Lowes no longer meets my family's ethical guidelines and will be taking my business to Home Depot beginning today.

I really hate shopping at Home Depot, although their paint is wonderful, but sacrifices has to be made. And if Home Depot caves I'll go back to visiting my local family owned hardware store thats a good 15 minutes off the beaten path.

143 Capt_Faust  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:04:53am

re: #111 JonnyMac

Well said whosoever. This is faux outrage. What about all the boycotts Charles encourages of 'peace scarves' etc? Win the war of ideas, don't bleat about crap like this.


No no NO...the "peace scarves" are a deliberate attempt to take a hateful item, misrepresent its significance, and market it to unbalanced ignorant clientele. It is an absolute lie that slips through Multiple departments of a major clothing chain (in this case, many clothing chains...) in order to dupe people...

There is no comparison...

144 JonnyMac  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:05:00am

Quite right Charles & others, 'boycott' in my post was sloppy wording - and Geepers, you made me laugh.

145 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:05:39am

Charles, please take a look at this: [Link: mediamatters.org...]

146 Northpaw  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:07:20am

re: #130 carefulnow

Hey, Lizards, this is really old news that Lowe's moved to other spots on Fox for their advertising. Their decision had nothing to do with MoveOn or Kos.
[Link: www.radaronline.com...]

People, you need to read this link. The story is from Feb. 2, 2007 and clearly explains why Lowes pulled their ads from O'Reilly. It concerned comments made by O'Reilly concerning the Shawn Hornbeck abduction.

147 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:07:27am

Hey, the Kos and LLL hordes can organize and boycott whoever they want for whatever reason and if Lowe's decides to cave, that's their business decision. It's called free speech.

/the market will sort it all out

148 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:07:30am

re: #129 EtNorskTroll

I've already written to all the sponsors of the show that the Kos site linked to:

What is on the list? And please don't make me go to kkkos site.

149 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:07:45am

re: #136 whosoever

Lowes will still register your complaint; it matters.

150 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:08:30am

Lizards, this is old news. Daily Kos and MoveOn had nothing to do with Lowe's moving their advertising to another time.

Read:

O'Reilly's comments touched off a controversy, and at least one advertiser reportedly removed its advertisements from his program as a result of his comments about Hornbeck. The website Radar reported: "Home-improvement chain Lowe's has pulled its advertising from The O'Reilly Factor following comments host Bill O'Reilly made about Shawn Hornbeck, the 15-year-old Missouri boy who recently returned to his parents after four years in captivity. ... A Fox News spokeswoman confirms the pullout, but says Lowe's advertising had simply been shifted to other programs on the network, not canceled. 'To my knowledge, no other advertisers have taken similar action,' she adds."

151 Dragon Drop  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:09:10am

It looks like we're going down this road again:

Citgo boycott/buycott

There needs to be a new term for this sort of thing. Partisan Products? Political Consumerism?

152 pat  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:09:28am

Let them boycott everything. Who cares? Heavy Metal and Porn don't advertise on Fox anyway.

153 m  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:09:29am

re: #111 JonnyMac

Win the war of ideas, don't bleat about crap like this.

Talk to the leftist about this one. They are trying to shut down another side's "ideas". Guess that is the only way they'd win that war.

154 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:09:37am

re: #146 Northpaw

Yes, it seems the Koskidz are taking credit for something that happened 6 months ago and is unrelated to their boycott.

155 Northpaw  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:09:58am

Essentially, the story here is that Kos is once again lying and claiming his power to be far greater than it really is. Looks like I'll be going to Lowes whenever I feel like it.

156 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:09:59am

re: #146 Northpaw Thank goodness! I was beginning to think I turned invisible...

157 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:10:27am

re: #154 Killgore Trout
That's what I was tryin' to tell you!

158 gop_patriot  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:10:43am

My hastily thrown together email to Lowe's- it's not very good (who knows where socialists shop? lol) but I think they'll get the gist of what I'm thinking...

I am astonished that you have pulled advertising from Fox News because of the efforts of a hate-site like the daily Kos. The level of paranoia, anti-Americanism, and psychosis at that website is appalling, and I doubt very much that they are among your main base of customers. Regular, hard working people that shop at Lowe's most likely also watch Fox News.

I am a long-time customer that has shopped exclusively at Lowe's for my hardware and home-improvement supplies for over 10 years, but if you are going to listen to America-hating socialists over your regular customers, I will be forced to begin shopping elsewhere.

159 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:11:14am

re: #145 carefulnow

So... KOS just claimed this as their victory?

160 Charles  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:11:21am

carefulnow: thanks. I updated with that.

161 gringo  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:11:41am

I just emailed the A-holes. Yes, I was nice.

162 186kps  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:12:05am

Aren't the primary building materials among the "global warming" nutroot community hay bales and hemp?
Last time I checked these weren't big sellers at Lowes.

Plus Lowes pulled from O'Reilly seven months ago.

163 GreenDroll  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:12:17am

The Kos kids are good little socialists national socialists wanting to prevent ideas that they do not agree with from being presented. All they need to do is ditch the foil hats and don their brown shirts.
I despair for America that people can be so stupid.

164 rottenrobbie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:12:30am

This is what I wrote them at the Lowe's web site:

"It saddens me to find out your once fine organization has pulled it's advertising from the Fox News networks O’Reilly program. If you are going to cave in to pressure from a couple of small far left-wing organizations, I have no choice but to take my home improvement dollars somewhere else. You will not see me in your stores again."

165 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:12:55am

re: #146 Northpaw

re: #130 carefulnow


Hey, Lizards, this is really old news that Lowe's moved to other spots on Fox for their advertising. Their decision had nothing to do with MoveOn or Kos.
[Link: www.radaronline.com...]

People, you need to read this link. The story is from Feb. 2, 2007 and clearly explains why Lowes pulled their ads from O'Reilly. It concerned comments made by O'Reilly concerning the Shawn Hornbeck abduction.

I don't trust anything on mediamatters, it is a left wing outfit.

166 pat  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:13:14am

And I might add that O'Reilly spent far too much time on his pet theory, to the point it got creepy.

167 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:13:45am

re: #160 Charles I saw that. Good.
It makes me wonder at the genius of taking credit for something that's already happened with or without you, much like the rooster feels when the sun comes up...

168 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:14:11am

Besides, all this organizing and boycotting keeps them occupied and off the streets.

/maybe we can win in Iraq while they're distracted with their new crusade

169 gop_patriot  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:14:13am

re: #146 Northpaw

re: #130 carefulnow

Hey, Lizards, this is really old news that Lowe's moved to other spots on Fox for their advertising. Their decision had nothing to do with MoveOn or Kos.
[Link: www.radaronline.com...]
People, you need to read this link. The story is from Feb. 2, 2007 and clearly explains why Lowes pulled their ads from O'Reilly. It concerned comments made by O'Reilly concerning the Shawn Hornbeck abduction.

GAH! Just read this, thanks carefulnow and Northpaw. At least I was nice in my email...

170 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:14:42am

re: #141 Killgore Trout Tomorrow! But I'm pretty sure right now - just did some "chores" that I haven't been able to do for almost 4 months now and, although I'm a little sore (remember I'm an old no longer a young man, so this soreness is not unexpected!) it's purely muscle soreness.
BTW, when you had your epidural and didn't follow your doc's orders, what happened? Didja get another one?

171 Arbalest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:14:45am

"We're not trying to silence anybody," Green said. "Rush Limbaugh has a right to be on the air — he admits his point of view. Fox doesn't."

What, then, Mr. Green, is MoveOn.org’s intent?

Question: If MoveOn.org is sued, would showing that it is a representative of George Souros be sufficient to go after Souros’ money?


Kos’ post closing comment is interesting:

“Two can play at this game.”

It looks like the game is indeed on.

Perhaps next time Kos makes a call to boycott a debate, various lobbyists will convince, at the last moment, one or two candidates to attend anyway. The others will very likely have to publicly change their plans, against Kos' call.

Kos has influence; breaking it spells the end of Kos.

172 Atman  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:14:48am

OT:
RealWest, ran across this the other day as I was thinking of Tillman.......
/..hope that all is well....

173 pious agnostic  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:14:50am

Best possible outcome: some of the 5,000 monitors actually watch news from a source outside their bubble and begin to doubt the narrative they've been fed by MoveOn and DailyKos.

174 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:15:23am

re: #165 newsjunkie_ky

Okay, there are plenty of sources to link to--that one was just handy. The fact remains that this is old news, which had nothing to do with Kos or MoveOn or sunspots or...

175 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:15:27am

As far as I'm concerned, the only mistake O'Reilly has made in his "attack" for lack of a better word is saying that he refuses to fly Jet Blue in the future. Jet Blue is just a big dumb company and the sponsorship of KKKos probably wasn't even on the CEO's radar. But the risk of a "boycott" war is far outweighted by putting the national limelight on the KKKos blog and the filth the owner publishes.

KKKos has gotten a free pass and I, for one, am grateful to both O'Reilly and FOX for exposing MarKKKos and his toadies as fools and hatemongers.

I'll bet money right now with anyone that the only group who ultimately gets hurt from all this is KKKos. Evil doesn't like to get dragged into the light and that is exactly what FOX News has done for us.

They should be thanked and not condemned.

176 Athos  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:15:47am

re: #162 186kps

So, Markos is touting something else as their own accomplishments?

Somehow it fits given their acceptance and embracing of the meme - "Fake, but Accurate".

177 odhran  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:16:18am
I really hate shopping at Home Depot

Yep, I hate shopping at both, actually. I was in Home Depot the other day, and the public address messages were in Spanish. I still use my local Ace hardware store, even if I have to pay a little more.

178 EtNorskTroll  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:16:25am

OT~

Link to video of live transmission of last moments of Helicopter(s) that smashed into each other while covering car chase perp (perp will now be charged with 4 counts of homicide):

Liveleak Video

~ENT

179 AnnaS  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:16:26am

I just sent an email to national and phoned my local store. I said I would be taking my business elsewhere if the reports were true.....!

180 v the k  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:18:03am

Most illuminating. Instead of cleaning up the deranged hate speech on their little site, the Kostards go after the messenger who exposed them.

181 missouri boy  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:18:11am

It is easy to boycott anything or anybody, when you are broke. It's not that I am boycotting.... I just don't shop.

182 m  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:19:16am

re: #130 carefulnow

Ha! That's pretty funny. We should have known kossies would take credit for something they didn't do. It was bill's assiness that did it, not kos krying.

The general Fox News boycott is current.

Liberals pressure Fox News advertisers By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer
Sat Jul 28,

To win the war of ideas- they want to shut down outlets for the other ideas.

183 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:19:22am

So, everyone can stop contacting Lowe's now, their decision had nothing to do with the LLL boycott.

/I guess you can still shop their too

184 Athos  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:20:12am

re: #180 v the k

The sad part is they don't consider it hate speech.

That's why they are morally and intellectually bankrupt.

185 Timbo17  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:20:18am

Comment #3 by Zombie hit the nail on the head. Fox News is the #1 cable news channel and a good portion of their viewers are conservative. Advertisers are not going to give up that market share because the far left tells them to.

186 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:20:32am

shop there

/spellcheck don't do grammar

187 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:20:36am
Interesting. Markos “Screw Them” Moulitsas is taking credit for Lowe’s dropping the O’Reilly show, but apparently this is very old news and has nothing to do with the Kos thugs. From February 2, 2007: Lowe’s: Let’s Boycott O’Reilly Together.

Home-improvement chain Lowe’s has pulled its advertising from The O’Reilly Factor following comments host Bill O’Reilly made about Shawn Hornbeck, the 15-year-old Missouri boy who recently returned to his parents after four years in captivity.

Well, I feel like a complete and utter ass.

188 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:20:48am

re: #183 Killian Bundy

NO, they are still trying to pressure the advertisers into pulling ads from FOX NEWS. I didn't mention o'reilly in my email.

189 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:20:59am

re: #170 realwest

I ended up getting the surgery. Be careful with the chores, if you don't take it easy I'll come over there and thump you.

190 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:21:09am

re: #183 Killian Bundy

That's good because I hadn't quite figure out I was going to use this Lowe's gift card I received for my birthday without going to the store or logging on to the website.

Whewwww....

191 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:21:33am

re: #172 Atman Thanks for that link! After I find the damn box of tissues I'll watch it again!
Hope all is well with you my friend - how are ya?

192 Athos  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:22:56am

re: #187 MandyManners

Well, I feel like a complete and utter ass.

No, just taken in by another Fake, but Accurate scam brought to us by the Kossacks and their ilk.

193 lowandslow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:23:16am

re: #154 Killgore Trout
If the Kos readers email from Lowe's is real, this part is interesting.

The O'Reilly Factor does not meet Lowe's advertising guidelines, and the company's advertising will no longer appear during the program.

This email was sent on July 27, 2007. Is it Kos that is trying to pull a fast one or Lowe's? If Lowe's pulled their ads in January, why does the Kos email make it appear to be because of something recent? When did Lowe's drop their ads? Somethings fishy to me.

194 Obsidiandog  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:23:18am

Nascar fans drop your support of Jimmie Johnson and his #48 Lowes Chevrolet and switch allegiance to the #20 Home Depot car of Tony Stewart. Gakkkk! I can't believe I suggested that.

195 Luigi  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:23:28am

This is their punishment for stirring things up in Iraq..

Report: White House Planning $20 Billion Arms Sale to Saudi Arabia
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The Bush administration will be asking Congress to approve a $20 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia and neighboring Gulf states despite the concerns of some U.S. officials that the Saudis have been hampering U.S. efforts in Iraq, the New York Times reported Saturday.
196 Killian Bundy  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:24:17am

re: #188 newsjunkie_ky

Yeah, well, when Lowe's actually caves to them, then you might want to shower them with e-mail. Are you going to preemptively e-mail every Fox advertiser?

/save your energy, keep your powder dry

197 newsjunkie_ky  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:24:41am

PEOPLE, don't lose site of the big picture here. They (kkkos) are trying to get advertisers to pull their ads from FOX NEWS in an attempt to silence another point of view. The Lowes thing is a smokescreen. Oh, it wasn't true about Lowes BUT don't lose site of what they are trying to do. Keep at it.

198 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:24:59am

re: #189 Killgore Trout LOL! Yes Sir! I'll be careful but you know how it is, I've needed and wanted to do a lot of the things I couldn't do and mom had to. It makes me feel good to contribute, ya know?

199 Athos  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:25:31am

re: #193 lowandslow

Somethings fishy to me.

Wouldn't be the first time sometime something was faked in order to make an ideological point.

200 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:26:10am

re: #192 Athos

re: #187 MandyManners


Well, I feel like a complete and utter ass.

No, just taken in by another Fake, but Accurate scam brought to us by the Kossacks and their ilk.

Maybe but, I was the one who acted. I'm not passing that off on anyone. I chose badly.

201 rottenrobbie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:26:18am

Dang it! Do I hafta write them back a "Never mind!" note? re: #164 rottenrobbie

This is what I wrote them at the Lowe's web site:

"It saddens me to find out your once fine organization has pulled it's advertising from the Fox News networks O’Reilly program. If you are going to cave in to pressure from a couple of small far left-wing organizations, I have no choice but to take my home improvement dollars somewhere else. You will not see me in your stores again."

202 Caliredst8r  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:26:25am

re: #178 EtNorskTroll

Saw that video yesterday evening, I could only watch it once. That faint scream at the end gave me chills and pretty much ruined my evening.

203 Athos  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:26:37am

re: #199 Athos

PIMF "sometime"

204 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:26:48am

Grrls,
Get your gPod at Lowes

205 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:27:11am

re: #198 realwest

Can you tap-dance again?

206 zmdavid  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:27:32am

Where's Cognito? Maybe someone should ask Lowe's about this. Media people can request an interview with Lowe's at their site. I wonder if bloggers count.

[Link: www.lowes.com...]

LOWE'S would love to hear from you if you're a member of the working press.

If you are interested in interviewing one of our executives, please fill out the appropriate request form and we will contact you immediately. If you are interested in being on our notification list, please fill out the opt-in mailing list form and tell us how you'd like to receive your breaking LOWE'S news.

Thanks for your interest in our company.


[Link: www.lowes.com...]

207 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:27:37am

re: #195 Luigi

Our continued support of the Saudis is exceeded in stupidity only by our continued support of the United Nations.

If there's one thing I agree with libs on, it is that we (the United States) must learn to conserve fuel - even if it costs us dearly in the short run to get out from under the thumb of this despicable country.

208 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:28:28am

re: #204 cbinflux

Meets the "hands-free" law...

209 Athos  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:28:59am

re: #200 MandyManners

That's what differs many of us from many of the Kossacks....we can admit mistakes and bad choices.

210 Atman  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:29:20am

#175 Goodbye_Natalie

As far as I'm concerned, the only mistake O'Reilly has made in his "attack" for lack of a better word is saying that he refuses to fly Jet Blue in the future.


O'Reilly intimates that he is now willing to fly JetBlue (here at the end of his memo).....

211 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:29:20am

re: #205 MandyManners Um, no. But then again I never could tap dance! LOL!
BTW, you were faked out - don't feel like an "utter ass". Only those who get involved in the battle risk ocassional losses. Those who sit on the sidelines always lose.

212 m  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:31:07am

re: #204 cbinflux

Ohmibod beat them with that one :)

And I don't think the launching was covered by Fox News. lol

213 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:31:57am

re: #178 EtNorskTroll

OT~

Link to video of live transmission of last moments of Helicopter(s) that smashed into each other while covering car chase perp (perp will now be charged with 4 counts of homicide):

[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

~ENT

There is NO WAY that the runner is responsible for their deaths -- No Way. A police chopper perhaps, but not two news crews who both wandered to TDC at the same altitude over the scene.

214 missouri boy  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:31:59am

re: #211 realwest

Reminds me of a quote by Wayne Gretzky: "You miss 100% of the shots you never take"

215 lowandslow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:32:53am

re: #201 rottenrobbieI wouldn't just yet. If the Kos email is true, it seems that it's Lowe's that is trying to appease Kos by insinuating that they are just now pulling their ads off O'Reilly because of "Hate speech".

216 m  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:33:07am

O:-)

217 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:33:15am

re: #179 AnnaS

Charles, you might want to strike the Contact Update.

218 Atman  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:33:20am

re: #191 RealWest
I'm fine thanks. Sorry to hear that your procedure wasn't successful. Hang in there......

219 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:33:24am

re: #210 Atman

Good. Thanks for sharing that. I usually watched but must have missed that evening.

220 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:33:40am

OT:

An example of how to deal with islamic terrorists...

Lebanese troops stormed a hideout of Islamic militants holed up in a Palestinian refugee camp in northern Lebanon on Saturday, killing eight, the state-run National News Agency reported.

Meanwhile, Lebanese Army Commander Gen Michel Suleiman said the much-awaited final assault against the remaining members of the Fatah Islam group in the Nahr el-Bared refugee camp was ''imminent.''

Fierce fighting erupted Saturday in Nahr el-Bared, with the army pounding Fatah Islam's remaining positions with artillery, tank fire and rocket-propelled grenades, the NNA and witnesses said.

The five-hour bombardment sent plumes of heavy black smoke billowing in the air, witnesses said.

Army units pushed their way into the devastated camp, reaching a section of the settlement known as the ''old camp,'' NNA said.

''An army commando unit stormed the Amqa neighborhood (in the old camp) and, during the limited clash that ensued, all eight terrorists who were there were killed,'' the NNA said, referring to Fatah Islam fighters.

The report could not be independently confirmed.

[Link: www.ndtv.com...]

221 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:34:17am

watch/watched; grrrr....

222 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:35:06am

re: #212 m


m...mmmm...mmmmmmmm

The Orgasmatron still rules, but it does require a doctor's supervision.

223 grumpy old codger  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:35:20am

Anybody remember Hechinger's and their anti-gun stance?

224 Rides A Pale Horse  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:35:23am

Went to Lowes early this morning, spent a couple of hours with a salesperson selecting cabinetry, planning a kitchen re-do, filling out the order sheet etc. (about $15,000 worth) Had everything ready to go then said......."oh wait, you guys dropped your ads on O'Reilly on the word of some left wing hate site didn't you?"......"Nevermind"

20 minutes driving to Lowes..........$0
2hrs. planning and ordering...........$0
Cancelling a $15,000 order............$0
Looks on faces of salesperson
and management..................PRICELESS!

225 NoSubmission  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:36:09am

Boycotts to the left and right.

Lowes is just business trying to get along in the market. Too bad they will suffer because the KoSlings are upset that light was thrown onto their cesspool.

226 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:36:23am

re: #224 Rides A Pale Horse
Uh-oh. Maybe you should apologize...

227 Rides a Pale Horse  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:37:23am

re: #226 carefulnow

NOT

228 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:38:28am

Better yet, maybe you should show them how Kos is claiming that they dropped their advertising and that Lowe's should contact them with a cease and desist.

229 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:39:19am

re: #227 Rides a Pale Horse
But you read that Kos is only claiming to have successfully pressured Lowe's into dropping their ads, right?

230 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:40:05am

re: #209 Athos

re: #211 realwest

Good point both of you but, I still feel like an ass. I should not have reacted quickly.

231 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:40:32am

re: #224 Rides A Pale Horse

I call BS, if only on the math.

232 Nannette  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:40:51am

By targetting the advertisers, the left wing numbskulls are effectively putting a gag on free speech, and therefore the first amendment.

It's an overt attack on democracy.

Seeing as there are more of us than them, how's about boycotting all their advertisers, and let the advertisers know, by mentioning that they're placing adverts with people who don't support the first amendment, and in effect are enemies of the state.

233 cbinflux  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:41:49am

re: #223 grumpy old codger

Yep.

BTW, Waffle Houses have Posted recently.

234 Atman  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:41:53am

re: #219 goodbye_natalie
I forgot to add "welcome back"......that was a short respite, no?

235 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:42:29am

re: #212 {m} Hey y'all - thanks for that. I hadn't heard of it before and, well, I do like to keep abreast of things!
;>'

236 newton  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:43:20am

Hey guys,

We must remember that this has to be broad.

If they boycott FOX News, we drop Progressive Insurance, Home Depot, and a whole bunch of others.

If they want war, war is what they're going to get. Get ready to fight... and to fight dirty.

237 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:43:26am

re: #230 MandyManners You've done worse things...as have I!

238 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:43:36am

re: #214 missouri boy
Indeed. And, of course, much better put than my effort!

239 grumpy old codger  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:44:38am

re: #178 EtNorskTroll

To charge the perp for a collision of two private helicopters, which may have been doing something risky, in terms of getting the story, seems like overkill. I can't imagine how those charges could stand. If it's in CA, I could understand how they could dream it up (Hey, Man, Have another toke.), but it really seems like a stretch.

240 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:45:00am

re: #218 Atman
NO! My procedure WAS successful so far at least!

241 Rides a Pale Horse  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:45:41am

re: #229 carefulnow

Doesn't really matter to me. I've done business with Lowes before and they put a project I had on hold for almost two weeks because of their inefficiency in getting a product shipped to me ON TIME. This happened to be a convenient excuse for me to get a little revenge, considering their arrogant stance regarding the above stated problem. Far as I'm concerned, if they go out of business, no skin off my ass. I shop Ace Hdwe. and local suppliers now. I'd rather keep the small businessman in business. I too have learned my lesson.

242 Rides a Pale Horse  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:47:56am

re: #231 cbinflux

Ok.........I might have used $2.00 in gas to get there....

243 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:48:03am

re: #224 Rides A Pale Horse Now that was just nasty. Think of all the good things you coulda done with that time without screwing over the salesperson(IIRC, they receive some modest commission on sales) who has NO input on their decisions on which shows to advertise.

244 Atman  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:48:08am

re: #240 realwest
Great news! So the initial pain has subsided....I've been busy and missed the good news. As has been said before; don't try too much too soon....
/...good on ya....

245 lowandslow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:49:39am

re: #229 carefulnow

re: #227 Rides a Pale Horse
But you read that Kos is only claiming to have successfully pressured Lowe's into dropping their ads, right?

Don't go so easy on Lowe's, if the email to Kos is true they want Kos to think they quit there advertising because of them not because of something from six months ago.

246 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:52:29am

re: #245 lowandslow And just think: if the e-mail isn't true (or didn't really happen) and was just a result of, well, the koskids being the koskids, then Lowe's is gonna be pretty p.o.'d at Kos!

247 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:54:30am

re: #241 Rides a Pale Horse I see. So your screwing with the salesperson had nothing to do with the whole Kos faux pressuring Lowe's into dropping their ads on O'Reilly Factor.

I wish LGF hadn't fallen for Kos's lies.

248 lowandslow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:54:36am

re: #246 realwest

You got it. Personally I think Lowe's is trying to play both sides of the fence.

249 Myrddin Emrys  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:55:14am

I think all this Lowe's bashing is a little out of line. A company has the right to advertise or not advertise wherever it wants (and is legally allowed to). Frankly, I even think JetBlue did the wrong thing by pulling the plug on the KosKonvention, unless, of course, they did it for economic reasons.

Basically, looking at Lowe's reason for pulling the plug on O'Reilly, I wonder if maybe I would do the same thing, too. Sure, they lose a little revenue, but if you watch O'Reilly at only the bad parts, he looks like almost as much of a petty hate monger as the KosKids. Seeing as how I would never use a platform such as the DailyKos as an advertising venue, it stands to reason that someone else would not use O'Reilly as an advertising venue, for much the same reason.

-DD

250 Rides a Pale Horse  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:55:56am

re: #243 realwest

Do I hear VIOLINS?

251 Charles  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:56:20am

More whacked-out anti-LGF posts at Digg:

[Link: digg.com...]

252 lowandslow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:57:08am

re: #247 carefulnow

re: #247 carefulnow

re: #241 Rides a Pale Horse I see. So your screwing with the salesperson had nothing to do with the whole Kos faux pressuring Lowe's into dropping their ads on O'Reilly Factor.

I wish LGF hadn't fallen for Kos's lies.

Is the Kos email true? If it is than Lowe's isn't being completely honest either.

253 Charles  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:58:04am

By the way, folks. I am not a fan of Bill O'Reilly, as I've mentioned many times here. The point here is not to defend O'Reilly, but to expose the thuggish tactics of Kos and MoveOn.

254 realwest  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:59:31am

re: #253 Charles Indeed. That's exactly correct.
By the way, you still look prettier in pink!

;>)

255 threeCents  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:59:37am

Thanks for the post. I placed my condemnation of their decision to pull its advertising from Fox News. I like Lowe's but its capitulation to the demands of the seething, radical left is definitely going to drive my business to Lowe's competitors unless they reverse course.

256 Airedale  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:59:40am

re: #213 cbinflux

re: #178 EtNorskTroll


OT~

Link to video of live transmission of last moments of Helicopter(s) that smashed into each other while covering car chase perp (perp will now be charged with 4 counts of homicide):

[Link: www.liveleak.com...]

~ENT


There is NO WAY that the runner is responsible for their deaths -- No Way. A police chopper perhaps, but not two news crews who both wandered to TDC at the same altitude over the scene.


imo, two chopper pilots were watching activity on the ground.
both chopper pilots are guilty of Cranium Rectumitis

It only took one alert pilot to avert the mishap.
bottom lie;rules were broken and the families will be putting lawsuites together that will address just those points.

257 pat  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:59:41am

I will say it again. I caught more than I needed of O'Reillys coverage of the homosexual sex kidnappings. It got a bit creepy. We all knew that the older child had likely been brainwashed. His parents and neighbors did not need O'Reilly verbalize the obvious and surmise the attidude of the victim. Lowe's decision likely reflected this as well as the opinion of someone high up who was a bit disturbed.

258 Fernandez  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:02:10am

Should the obvious be stated:

Conservative, Middle-aged: Money and homeowners

Liberal, young: No money, no homes (and no sense, either!)

259 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:03:14am

re: #245 lowandslow Lowe's PR phone number is (704) 758-2917. (North Carolina) I called the 800 number for Lowe's and the rep referred me to that number. Anybody in the 704 area code out there willing to call and get information straight from the horse's mouth?

260 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:07:26am

re: #253 Charles Me neither and me too.

261 Fernandez  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:12:20am

re: #256 Airedale


Actually, the runner could be held responsible. When you commit a crime, you can be charged for all consequences that could be reasonably foreseen. Car crashes that happen as a result of the chase are the perp's responsibility. Helicopter crashes? We've all been watching them follow car chases for a long time now. I don't see why a helicopters crashing wouldn't be reasonably foreseeable.

262 Myrddin Emrys  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:16:06am

re: #261 Fernandez

Indeed, a specific helicopter crash is very unlikely, but that there would be on eventually was (essentially) inevitable.

-DD

263 Myrddin Emrys  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:16:24am

*one

PIMF

264 Outrider  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:17:08am

So, they will boycott companies not because of violent or sexual content but because they do not agree with their political ideas (such as, "...as those that question global warming...")
Seems like they are heading on a slippery slope to me. Personally, I think they overestimate their buying power and this boycott has the potential to backfire on them.

265 Fernandez  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:21:08am

re: #262 Myrddin Emrys

Agreed.

The whole thinking behind the Felony Murder Rule is that if you set a sequence of events in motion that result in someone's death, you are responsible. For example, if you hold up a bank and some customer in the store pulls their concealed weapon out of their purse, shoots at you but ends up missing and killing a teller by accident. YOU are going down for murder.

266 docremulac  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:21:53am

Boycotts don't work and the Kosholes and their fellow jackbooted thugs know that. That's why they're turning to intimidation by calling small businesses and cussing them out or probably utilizing vandalism in some way. Liberals are real brave when there's nobody around so they can do things like keying cars, spray painting slogans on walls etc. But even then, the liberal's goal isn't necessarily to get results, they just like harassing people. All leftists are frustrated bullies. They are typically weaker than most people because they're inferior and therefore got bullied more as kids. They then spend the rest of their lives trying to become bullies by joining destructive organizations. That's not to say all that are weak and bullied become leftists, but almost all leftists were weak and bullied at one time.

Ask Hillary Clinton why she got into politics. The story she tells is that, as a little girl, she got bullied but got a group of people together to attack the bully and she has expanded on that model for her whole life's work.
I'm not making that up, it's her story and she tells it proudly.

The real goal of the leftists is to hurt people because their lives are very painful because they're stupid, immoral, psychotic, superstitious sexually frustrated losers.

Let's see, did I leave anything out? No, I think that covers it.

267 29Victor  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:22:07am

I wonder if there isn't some lefty think-tank somewhere with a:

Relieve Americans of the Burden of the Bill of Rights to do list:

1. Free speach/religion
--- In progress
2. Bear nasty weapons
--- Pretty much taken care of
3. No quartering troops
--- Save for later
4. No search/seizure
--- Misinterpreted in our favor, keep
5. No double jepordy/property rights
--- Done & done
6. Trial by jury
--- Our lawyers like this one
7. Civil trial by jury
--- N/A
8. No excess bail/no unusual punishment
--- Misinterpreted/keep until we take over
9. Protection of other rights
--- Done
10. State's rights
--- Done

268 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:31:34am

I wonder when Mister Moulitsa's inactive reserve commitment is up? Has it changed? Nothing would make me happier to see him called up and serving next to PVT Bone-Chump in Iraq. How's that for corporate sponsorship?

269 Rusty2  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:39:19am

Remember this folks.Lowes employs alot of people nationwide.Boycotting Lowes because of some imagined slight does have real world consequences.No skin off your ass?Well its skin off mine.My wife is a Lowes Manager.One more thing. The people that work there do not get commissions from what they sell.They only get a bonus if that particular store does well.


1st post.

270 Yankee Division Son  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:40:23am

Boycott Smoycott...

The trouble for the advertisers is, if you compare the ratings of FOX, CNN, and MSNBC, Fox news consistently buries the other two, even combined.

O'Riely consistently pulls millions of viewers, while Oberman or Mathews hover around a few hundred thousand.

So, if you want to target middle class home owners, (who are more likely to watch a cable news show Vs. say.. Bravo TV) who ya gonna call?


Just my 2 cents...

271 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:41:56am

This is really really really stupid on Lowe's part. Who do they think buys hardware products, KosKidz? I don't think so. This is going to hurt them badly. Just goes to show what happens when liberal loonies get onto corporate boards, they stop thinking.

272 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:45:08am

Seen at the Lowes Kos thread:

Lowes has made a good business decision (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:boadicea, hormiguero

I said yesterday in another post that companies REALLY hate spending lots of money on advertising just to lose customers. Jet Blue didn't dump yKos for philosophical or political reasons. It was just a calculated business decision. O'Reilly knew Jet Blue was easy pickens, so he did it and brayed to his audience about his studliness.

"Look what Papa Bear can do!"

But the dirty secret of broadcasting is that the almighty dollar censors more content that the KGB ever could. And the sad truth is that anyone can do it. It helps to be calm, rational and mainstream in your approach, so that the company can reasonably state that they were made aware of a problem situation and responded appropriately.

Companies do not wish to appear easily cowed, so being on the side of the angels is important.

But I cannot stress this enough, so I will use my Bill O'Reilly keyboard with permanent cap-locks.

GO AFTER YOUR LOCAL CABLE COMPANY AND YOUR LOCAL FOX AFFILIATES

One pissed off station owner or cable operator from Podunk, Idaho knows exactly who to call and what cages to rattle and has more clout than 100,000 kossacks. I am a recovered broadcasting whore and I know of what I speak.

As the famous Jewish prophet with whom I am proud to share a name once said, He who has ears to hear, let him hear

Kill them with kindness. If that fails, just kill them.

by JesusQ on Fri Jul 27, 2007 at 08:38:44 PM PDT

How progressive.

273 EIDE_Interface  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:47:03am

I always knew that "progressives" are bloodthirsty Bolsheviks at heart. They prove it every day on the Kos boards. Not only that, but they move heaven and earth to defend rapists and murderers. Especially if they're "colored". Basically leftists stand for everything that is indecent and evil in the world, and that's just th way it is.

274 moonsbreath  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:47:33am

I was going to write an email to Lowe's until Charles posted the update, showing that Lowe's had backed out of advertising on O'Reilly's show in February.

Past history with Kos suggests that you thoroughly check his postings out before believing it as truth. Kos' post is very misleading, as he intended it to be.

Also, Lowe's still advertises on FoxNews, just not on O'Reilly's show. There is no victory at Kosland.

275 carefulnow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:49:43am

re: #269 Rusty2 My son got extremely generous support from a Lowe's in doing his Eagle Scout project. Home Depot gave him a $25 gift certificate, as did OSH. Numerous small businesses gave him support, too. Only a privately owned lumber yard gave more than Lowe's. Just our experience...
(Kos is lying about Lowe's dropping O'Reilly factor anyway...see Charles's update.)

276 opnion  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:59:36am

ok, Then Kos should pull the Solyent Green ads.
Solyent Green is people!

277 harley2002  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:07:19pm

So the idiot at Kos lied about getting Lowe's to pull advertisement. Well that is pretty muck Kos's normal daily routine. Lie and smear. It was news to me about them pulling there advertisement though. Well Home Depot is only a mile further so no big deal.

278 sngnsgt  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:11:43pm

I recently purchased a lawn tractor from Home Depot. The exact same mower was $300.00 more @ Lowes. I walked out of Lowes because the staff was rude in the first place. This makes me feel even better about my purchase.

279 Joel  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:15:07pm

They are not capable of competing in the world of ideas so they seek to intimidate and terrorize. They are thugs.

280 Joel  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:17:44pm

There are more liberals on Fox then there are conservatives on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, ABC, NPR, Time Magazine, Newsweek Magazine, The New York Times - combined!

I was stuck on a cruise ship the past week and the only news channel they had was CNN. I started watching "The Situation Room" with Wolf Blitzer , well this Jack Cafferty guy who used to be a local anchor here in NYC is some nasty piece of work!

281 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:26:00pm

re: #280 Joel

I can't watch The Situation Room. Too much stuff moving around the screen. I cant tell if it's that or Wolf Blitzer that gives me a headache.

282 Teacake!  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:27:58pm

Anyhow, why care in the first place? These are all corporate fat cats who will all survive regardless. Why get all upset about whose commercials you will see or not see? Sort of funny.

283 bill-tb  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:29:55pm

I generally boycott Lowes over high prices.

284 NY Nana  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:32:45pm

re: #266 docremulac

Here's a hoot...saved letters of Shrillary's...

I double dare you to keep a straight face!

285 Fernandez  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:39:13pm

re: #281 NJDhockeyfan

The libs have made me distrust anyone with a beard.

OTH, I've developed a liking for Lou Dobbs when I heard he was a cranky smoker who regularly hangs out in the ally with the CNN riff-raff so he can have a smoke!

286 pat  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:41:31pm

#280 Joel
Jack Cafferty has to be the dumbest, most ignorant man on TV, yet he has convinced himself he is a god.

287 Joel  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:43:01pm

re: #281 NJDhockeyfan

Jack Cafferty is a male version of a harpy. Why is CNN the station that is always on in airports when Fox kicks their butts rating wise?

288 Joel  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:44:12pm

re: #286 pat

#280 Joel
Jack Cafferty has to be the dumbest, most ignorant man on TV, yet he has convinced himself he is a god.

Who is more vicious and ignorant - Jack Cafferty or Keith Olbermann?

289 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:55:00pm

re: #234 Atman

LGF is like smoking (I guess). It may take numerous tries before I can finally break the habit of mouthing off to an audience...

290 Jonas Parker  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:55:53pm

If Kos lied about Lowe's pulling advertising, and Lowe's takes a lot of heat for Kos' lies, I would think that Lowe's would want to:

1. never involve itself with Kos and the left-wing nut-roots ever,
2. be extremely aware of the quick reaction of the conservatives when irritated, and
3. examine very closely with both the senior corporate executives and the marketing department what side Lowe's bread is really buttered on.

This whole error might not be a bad thing after all...

291 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 12:57:25pm

re: #266 docremulac

Boycotts can work if the reason is just. Ask Phil Donuhue...

But in this case, I doubt I would have boycotted Lowe's anyway unless we could prove they were actually siding with libs. I do boycott Target but for more personal reasons.

292 goodbye_natalie  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 1:01:30pm

re: #249 Myrddin Emrys

Sure, they lose a little revenue, but if you watch O'Reilly at only the bad parts, he looks like almost as much of a petty hate monger as the KosKids.

Yeah, I've seen a bunch of screw the military, screw the Jews, screw America on O'Reilly's show. Balogney...

He's a blowhard but I hardly think he sinks to the KKKos level. And unlike KKKos, he actually does some pretty constructive work (Jessica's law). Get back with me when KKKos group can claim the same.

293 at night  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 1:07:32pm

Well I sent a letter to LOWES.com....... Just to keep in practice.

"As I understand it you have pulled your advertising from the FOX channel....specifically from the O'Reilil Factor.
I find this action frivolous. You are pulling out of a market that has one of the highest percentage of viewers on cable, due to intimidation from groups like far left, MoveOn.org and hate site Daily Kos......
FACT :Advertising on a particular show has absolutely NOTHING to do with that shows politics and everything to do with marketing and serving your investors. I find that submitting to thinly veiled threats will only set up a boomerang situation that you and your investors will suffer dearly from.
I do frequent your store, though Home Depot is closer, however I will have to keep an eye on your actions.
I firmly believe that Company's such as yours should remain "NEUTRAL" to continue to be successful.
I urge you to stand strong in the face of political extortion."

294 Ward Cleaver  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 1:19:19pm

Ankle-biting kooks.

295 lowandslow  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 1:26:52pm

This commenter on Hot Air is dead on.

Here’s a prediction - Moveon will conveniently forget about their boycott when it comes time for them and the Democrats to run negative advertising. Negative ads against the GOP only have so much impact when broadcast on MSNBC.

rw on July 28, 2007 at 3:20 PM

296 insanity police  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 1:31:12pm

Bill should thank Kos. The Kos kampaign just made want to support Bill's sponsors even more.

O/T
Why is academia embracing white supremacist and anti-semitic ideology?

297 leepro  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 2:23:27pm

re: #129 EtNorskTroll

I agree with you, Norsk. It seems that there would be a much stronger effect if we contact any advertiser on any FoxNews program and thank them for their support of fair and balanced broadcasting!

298 leepro  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 3:34:03pm

re: #284 NY Nana

re: #266 docremulac

Here's a hoot...saved letters of Shrillary's...

I double dare you to keep a straight face!


oboy. Is that ever a portrait of the woman banshee that she is today.

Who woulda thunk:

...a driven, civic-minded Republican...


In her own words, she describes herself as "...a compassionate misanthrope..."
FYI:
Thesaurus
hater of mankind, cynic; recluse, hermit; informal grouch, grump.
Dictionary
n. One who hates or mistrusts humankind
a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society.

299 leepro  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 3:35:43pm

re: #284 NY Nana

re: #266 docremulac

Here's a hoot...saved letters of Shrillary's...

I double dare you to keep a straight face!

Last post should have referenced this, not #266

300 alteredbeat  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 10:16:20pm

So from the point of the advertisers why would they drop Fox? Just because MoveOn.orgy and Kos doesn't like what O'Reily said about them?

We should get an email campaign going for their advertisers.

301 AirForceWife  Sat, Jul 28, 2007 11:52:59pm

#83 zombie 7/28/2007 9:43:52 am PDT reply quote

And the reason I know they hire illegal aliens is that it is common party conversation around here to BRAG that you PURPOSELY hired illegal aliens, just to get back at Bush.

to "get back at Bush". What will they do next, start supporting our troops and the war to get back at him? If Bush had his way, the U.S., Mexico, and all of Central America would be one big country already.


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