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-RetweetBill O'Reilly: Squarely on the Wrong Side

Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 5:53:56 pm PDT

Judging from the previous thread, a lot of LGF readers would like to discuss Bill O’Reilly’s show, in which he came out in favor of charging Stanislav Shmulevich with felony hate crimes for putting a Koran in a toilet. So here’s a thread for that.

O’Reilly seems to think four years in prison is an appropriate punishment for putting a book in a toilet.

I’d be disappointed, except that I expected it.

Previously at LGF:
O’Reilly: Rather Was Slimed

UPDATE at 7/30/07 7:02:26 pm:

Video at Hot Air: Should Stanislav Shmulevich face felony hate crimes charges?

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1 spikester  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:55:07pm

First lit me say thanks for the new thread

2 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:56:03pm

Thank you...Bill is a tool of the MSM and a sock puppet...time to boycott his show...just don't watch...watch other Fox shows...just not his.

3 spikester  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:56:04pm

Bill O'Reilly is not enough!

4 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:56:20pm

And I expected it because I communicated with O'Reilly's producer today and saw which way this was headed.

5 Luigi  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:56:30pm

I prefer Chris Hitchen's take on reality featured in an earlier thread here today.

6 CrazyJew  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:56:50pm

Oy Vey!
Stanislav is in trouble!

7 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:56:59pm
8 pegcity  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:57:00pm

bill O'shameless sucks

9 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:57:01pm

O'Reilly also stood up for Dan Rather, remember. This is far from the first time he's been on the wrong side.

10 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:57:10pm

Michelle tried to talk some sense into him, but he's a bit thickheaded.

11 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:57:35pm

Hey, they don't call it "Fair and Balanced" for nothing. When you take both sides on every issue, you can never be wrong.

12 CrazyJew  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:57:50pm

O'reilly for better or worse represents main stream America...
a.k.a. the Jury...

13 spikester  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:57:53pm

Hear Hear!


re: #5 Luigi

I prefer Chris Hitchen's take on reality featured in an earlier thread here today.

14 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:58:53pm
15 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:59:21pm
16 Catttt  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:59:23pm

I wish I had seen it (need to get my new TV hooked up) so I'd know his talking points.

My opinion is that the whole idea of "hate crime" is totally wrong - crime should be dealt with as crime. If intent can be proven and is criminal, then we have laws for that. Inciting riot is ALREADY a crime, without the damn "hate crime." Is that as opposed to a love ya crime? It's just wrong.

Hate is an emotion, and we should not have emotional laws. We're getting into a dangerous area here. We're not anywhere near as bad as the poor Euros, but it's (cliche coming) a slippery slope.

17 ParanoidPyro  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:59:47pm

I was quite dissapointed at his stance on this topic. I agree with Michelle, and many lizards here, that "hate speech" is a danger to free speech and thought.

/Drip, drip, drip.

18 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 5:59:55pm

Perhaps Bill needs to see THIS

19 mollyshark  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:00:27pm

This is sad. Very sad. While I agree with O'Reilly on many things, this is beyond "fair and balanced" and well into absurd. Was it motivated by hate? Who knows. Maybe. Is it a felony? Oh come ON. Throwing a book in the toilet a felony? Was it smart? Who knows. Who cares. If someone threw a Torah into a toilet I'd feel sad, but hardly believe that person should be charged with a felony. I am terribly disappointed. I was just going to turn his show on, but I guess I'll wait for Hannity. I need a glass of wine.

20 CrazyJew  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:00:47pm

Its probably a good idea to start writing O'reilly some mail...

21 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:01:08pm

He wants that kid to go to prison for a hate crime...that book he flushed...was the spark that killed 3,ooo American's on 9-11.

22 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:01:10pm

re: #19 mollyshark

Make mine a double girl!

23 spikester  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:01:22pm

Question.
Pinch a loaf in the Book of Mormon. It that a hate crime?

24 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:01:22pm

Also see:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

25 Jeff_McAwesome  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:01:33pm

O'Reilly is a fool. I'm going to submerge several Qur'ans in the toilet as a sign of solidarity with this guy.

26 FightingBack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:01:38pm

O'Reilly sides with laws that protect religious expression, above other forms of speech. Unfortunately, in a time of war, when a global imperialist movement is promoted under the guise of religion, this can be fatal.

To prove that he is highly inconsistent, and far from an intellectual thinker, I recall when O'Reilly defended Mel Gibson's movie, over objections that anti-semitic speech was included.

27 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:01:40pm
28 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:01:59pm

What's in your toilet?

29 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:02:01pm

Cattt,

I wish I had seen it (need to get my new TV hooked up) so I'd know his talking points.


Check Hot Air a bit later. They should probably have the segment up.

30 mrfocus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:02:03pm

I liked how Bill O used "intimation techniques of the left" to segue into the next segment with Michelle and Kirsten. Like CAIR doesn't do this.

31 Bobibutu  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:02:44pm

re: #4 Charles

And I expected it because I communicated with O'Reilly's producer today and saw which way this was headed.

The good news is that over the years, more and more, - they take your calls and at least listen.

32 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:02:54pm

EgO'Reilly.

33 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:03:11pm
34 draeknet  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:03:26pm

O'Reilly is wrong on this. If it was a bible it would be called art by liberals and O'Reilly would defend it by saying it is disgusting but free speech.

35 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:03:30pm

re: #26 FightingBack

O'Reilly sides with laws that protect religious expression, above other forms of speech. Unfortunately, in a time of war, when a global imperialist movement is promoted under the guise of religion, this can be fatal.

To prove that he is highly inconsistent, and far from an intellectual thinker, I recall when O'Reilly defended Mel Gibson's movie, over objections that anti-semitic speech was included.

Could there be glimmers of anti semitism here then or is that paranoid thinkin?

36 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:03:51pm

I have a feeling Fox News was planning an LGF ambush tonight on H & C.

37 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:03:55pm

O'Reilly is a fart in the conservative elevator.

38 baconeatingkaffir  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:03:57pm

I"m not surprised. Don't the a-rabs own some stock in Fox? What do you expect? The No Spin Zone.. my buttocks!

39 NYexpat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:04:03pm

The more I hear about this, the more disgusted I get. I can't begin to understand what goes through people's minds! Hate crimes laws should be an affront to any true American, with the tendency as seen in this case for discrimination. As anyone here knows, the rules would be applied entirely differently, if it were a Bible, or a Torah!

40 snowkat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:04:05pm

While I believe Stanislav should have flushed his own copy of the Koran, Blowhard O'Reilly is wrong. This event is not a felony charge s. I was arguing with some moonbats last Friday that Billy is a populist, they said he wasn't. He is.

41 gooddad  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:04:05pm

He's constantly seeing us losing this war, some kind of idea that Iraqi's don't want to stand up. It's getting old.

'The Tune Out Factor'

42 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:04:44pm

re: #36 Charles

Ugh.

43 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:04:44pm

I am waiting to see what Hannity says...I don't hold out much hope.

44 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:04:50pm
45 FightingBack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:05:18pm

re: #36 Charles

I have a feeling Fox News was planning an LGF ambush tonight on H & C.

Did you anger them by turning them down? (Good for you.)

46 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:05:29pm

re: #36 Charles

I have a feeling Fox News was planning an LGF ambush tonight on H & C.

I posted this before I saw yours...lol

47 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:05:31pm

re: #18 Angel

Perhaps Bill needs to see THIS

I like that tune.

48 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:06:00pm

re: #36 Charles


Charles..isnt this legally NON negotiable?
Either this behavoir is classified as a felony or not?

and how the heck can they ambush LGF?..pfftt!

49 marwan's daughter  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:06:06pm

He should just go back to being a reporter for Inside Edition. That's where he has always belonged. And give Michelle Malkin his old spot.

50 Yishai  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:06:06pm

The bright side is that if O'Reilly is talking about this, the story will get out.

There is no way that burning a flag during a protest, immersing a cross in urine, or screaming "Zionism is Racism", would be fine, even protected, yet at the same time, flushing a Koran is hate speech. The crazy double standards must be publicized.

Bummer, Bill. I agree with so much of your opinions. This one I don't agree with.

51 Thanos  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:06:14pm

Barry Popik posted something the other night that's very pertinent:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Note that the community is now calling for tougher hate crime laws.

This is a bad direction for america. If you look at the federal hate crimes legislation still in committee in the Senate, and who the sponsors are you can see what's coming at the federal level. (Hint: Ted Kennedy, D-Massachusetts is the Key Sponsor, and the rest of the roll mostly have "D"s by their names)

Hate crimes laws are anti-american and anti-freedom -- this sword has two edges, no hilt, and who's more likely to get cut by it?

52 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:06:19pm

re: #44 song_and_dance_man

Even though I'm a liberal I still ride the conservative elevator while the liberal one's out of service.

53 RedWinged Blackbird  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:06:48pm

O'R needs to stay away from discussions of Islam, jihad and the Koran. He makes a complete fool of himself every time he goes there. Hopefully, Michelle will fix that when she takes over.

54 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:07:15pm

re: #47 Krampus


Kinda catchy aint it...not a bad overview either~!

55 mrfocus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:07:21pm

re: #41 gooddad

'The Tune Out Factor'

When he started doing body language and trivia I did. I watched tonight to see what his position was. Was that Bill unzipping CAIR's spokesIman?

56 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:07:29pm

re: #16 Cattt

I wish I had seen it (need to get my new TV hooked up) so I'd know his talking points.

My opinion is that the whole idea of "hate crime" is totally wrong - crime should be dealt with as crime. If intent can be proven and is criminal, then we have laws for that. Inciting riot is ALREADY a crime, without the damn "hate crime." Is that as opposed to a love ya crime? It's just wrong.

Hate is an emotion, and we should not have emotional laws. We're getting into a dangerous area here. We're not anywhere near as bad as the poor Euros, but it's (cliche coming) a slippery slope.

Didja go with the High Def? Enquiring TechnoNerds want to know!

57 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:07:33pm

Hannity follows what President Bush says about Islam... Charles...I think you are right.

58 bosforus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:07:49pm

re: #36 Charles

good thing you had the hamsters to tend to. though you could've held your own.

59 PIERRE_LEGRAND[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:08:22pm
60 Yishai  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:08:55pm

What is Bill's logic? He is usually very aticulate in his opinions. As he is a reasonable guy, what is his reasoning?

61 NhaTrang72  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:08:55pm

O'Reilley is like Beck that they blend a sort of populism with Occasional Conservatism, but BigHead is wrong on Iraq, wrong on the reasons for oil price rises & declines, wrong on this Koran Flush issue, and AWOL on too many important issues

He does Occasional Good, but the price is high

62 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:08:56pm

re: #36 Charles

I have a feeling Fox News was planning an LGF ambush tonight on H & C.

What happened? Away from the tube.

63 legalpad  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:09:56pm

I talked to O'Reilly once on the radio. He was talking about the Iraq war being about WMDs and my comment was that it was about terrorism. He disagredd and insisted it was about WMDs.

64 Thanos  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:10:21pm

This is why I only watch Britt Hume's news analysis show, and the normal nightly news. I even have problems with Hannity at times.

65 gooddad  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:10:45pm

re: #55 mrfocus

OH My God, He even tries to sing on his radio show, More...

'Tune Out Factor'

66 Capt_Faust  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:10:50pm

Man, O'Riley...you are a tool.

Who is looking out for me? Certainly not you...

67 brenda  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:11:03pm

O'Reilly was wrong in the beginning about Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean, but came around after a while.

68 KSK  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:11:08pm

If I put a copy of Mein Kampf into the toilet would the modern brownshirts sue me for committing a "hate crime"?

69 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:11:18pm

re: #54 Angel

re: #47 Krampus


Kinda catchy aint it...not a bad overview either~!

Yes, great overview.

I saw that entire BBC episode, the Journalist caved in the end. He went to prayer with Ahmadinejad.

70 Catttt  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:11:20pm

re: #56 bikermailman

re: #16 Cattt

I wish I had seen it (need to get my new TV hooked up) so I'd know his talking points.

My opinion is that the whole idea of "hate crime" is totally wrong - crime should be dealt with as crime. If intent can be proven and is criminal, then we have laws for that. Inciting riot is ALREADY a crime, without the damn "hate crime." Is that as opposed to a love ya crime? It's just wrong.

Hate is an emotion, and we should not have emotional laws. We're getting into a dangerous area here. We're not anywhere near as bad as the poor Euros, but it's (cliche coming) a slippery slope.

Didja go with the High Def? Enquiring TechnoNerds want to know!

Oh, yes. Now I need the cable people to come in and make it work. :)

71 justadot  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:11:23pm

O'Reilly likes to think of himself as the sane one in the middle of America, standing against the craziness of the left and the right. He'll accept a weak argument just so he can appear to be the sage one, looking out for our interests. Can't say it's that big of a surprise, either.

Really disturbed here if H&C was planning to ambush Charles.

72 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:11:29pm

re: #64 Thanos

This is why I only watch Britt Hume's news analysis show, and the normal nightly news. I even have problems with Hannity at times.


I only trust Britt...told my wife a long time a go.

73 Winmag  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:11:47pm

Billy O is a goober. I watch him less and less as time goes bye. He is more concerned with ratings than any deeply held beliefs.

74 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:11:48pm

Jammie: they asked me to be on, but I had plans I couldn't change.

75 Shaky Louie  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:12:04pm

"No Spin Zone" my shiny metal ass!
I began to lose respect for Blovi O'Really when he slammed the SwiftBoat Vets and stood with Kerry.
I make it a habit not to listen to him as often as I can.
That's all I have to say about that.

76 gooddad  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:12:07pm

re: #61 NhaTrang72

O'Reilley is like Beck that they blend a sort of populism with Occasional Conservatism, but BigHead is wrong on Iraq, wrong on the reasons for oil price rises & declines, wrong on this Koran Flush issue, and AWOL on too many important issues

He does Occasional Good, but the price is high

Bill on big oil makes me sick

77 FightingBack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:12:58pm

re: #64 Thanos

I agree, only the Brit Hume is worth watching, especially the panel discussion at the end. I cannot tolerate tabloid coverage of the Sheppard Smith news report. I recommend "The Beltway Boys," which is on Saturday.

78 PIERRE_LEGRAND[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:13:00pm
79 gooddad  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:13:05pm

re: #68 KSK

If I put a copy of Mein Kampf into the toilet would the modern brownshirts sue me for committing a "hate crime"?

What have you against brownshirts? sarc

80 stymie  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:13:17pm

The leprechaun is nearly unwatchable. The fair and balanced stance of Fox is equivalent to sitting on a fence pitching poo into two yards. They're afraid of a Hillary presidency and go way out of their way to be on both sides of every issue. I never thought I'd say this, watching CNN is actually less vexing than watching Fox of late. My TV can only take so many shoes being thrown at it. BTW-his radio show is in the toilet along with the Koran, which is a good place for both.

81 David Simon  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:13:18pm

#51 Thanos -

Hate crimes laws are anti-american and anti-freedom -- this sword has two edges, no hilt, and who's more likely to get cut by it?

Exactly. People who desecrate holy books, burn flags etc. deserve to be shunned by society and treated as objects of scorn. They don't deserve to be thrown in prison.

82 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:13:43pm

I'm not saying they were going to stage an ambush. I don't know that. I'm saying O'Reilly's show -- their flagship show -- gave me a very bad feeling about it.

83 ParanoidPyro  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:13:44pm

re: #74 Charles

Jammie: they asked me to be on, but I had plans I couldn't change.

You mean we missed the chance to see the Lizard Master do his thing in real time? Sad day for the lizard minions.

84 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:13:54pm

he's so 'show biz'. not a tuff guy looking out for us. he's a moldy cupcake. (and not that pithy).

85 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:14:01pm

re: #69 Krampus


good grief!...Eichmadinjeehad actually prays?..to whom?

86 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:14:23pm

re: #74 Charles

Jammie: they asked me to be on, but I had plans I couldn't change.

OK, got it. Thought something happened that I missed.

Avoiding Skeletor is good for your health.

87 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:14:43pm

I've long suspected that O'Reilly is a fucking idiot. He just proved it.

88 Born Again Republican  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:14:44pm

re: #36 Charles

Seems to be that kind of night.

Sooo, let me get this right. They believe Koran in toilet = prison time. Hard, hard world we live in.

89 WeaselZipper  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:14:46pm

OT: (but a great vacation idea)

Hamas Shows off Their Islamic Paradise...

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip: Never mind the international isolation, growing poverty and reports of violent retribution against its defeated Fatah rivals. In Hamas' own eyes, its takeover of Gaza has made the coastal strip "safe, clean and green."

In an attempt to get that message across, Hamas took two busloads of foreign journalists on an air conditioned tour of Gaza on Monday — including a stop in a refugee camp where the deposed prime minister waved from his balcony and a prison visit hosted by one of Hamas' most powerful military men.

Hamas officials said they were worried about the negative publicity they've received since taking over Gaza in June

.

90 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:14:55pm

Islam is a hate crime. In fact, they have a user's manual. I wonder if that would make a good defense? Hmm.

I hope the writers for Boston Legal are watching this. They tend to be softhead leftards, but they give Shatner some conservative stuff to chew on, too. Be better as The Practice, with Dylan McDermott / Bobby Donnell.

91 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:15:37pm

I also talked to a CNN producer today, by the way, for the Paula Zahn show. She seemed much more aware of the issues. (Of course, that's what they want you to think.)

92 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:15:46pm

re: #61 NhaTrang72

O'Reilley is like Beck that they blend a sort of populism with Occasional Conservatism, but BigHead is wrong on Iraq, wrong on the reasons for oil price rises & declines, wrong on this Koran Flush issue, and AWOL on too many important issues

He does Occasional Good, but the price is high

Exactly what I was thinking, and stated better than I could have.

93 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:15:56pm

I bought both Hannity books...but he changed...he defends Islam too much for my bp..

94 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:16:02pm

re: #70 Cattt

I'll be right over...you'll LOVE it!

95 DesertSage  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:16:06pm

While I agree with O'Reilly that Kos is a hate site (and the burnt orange color scheme gives me a headache), I think he's attacking them from the wrong angle.

He should be using their anti-semitism to highlight just how vile the Kos site really is. There's plenty of venomous, vitriolic and vulgar anti Israel/anti-semitic stuff over there to work with.

96 Drained Brain  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:16:07pm

Oh Really? No, O'Reilly. And demure Michelle Malkin completely outclassed him tonight. No worries, as the Aussies say...

97 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:16:12pm
98 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:16:24pm

Like I said.

Bill talked shit about Mikey Moore, than when push came to shove and he met the man, his balls fell off.
What else do you need to know about the man?

99 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:16:29pm

re: #82 Charles

I'm not saying they were going to stage an ambush. I don't
know that. I'm saying O'Reilly's show -- their flagship show -- gave me
a very bad feeling about it.

I could see the O'Reilly minions cherry-picking an "offensive" quote or pulling a Kurtz on you.

100 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:16:41pm

re: #85 Angel

re: #69 Krampus

good grief!...Eichmadinjeehad actually prays?..to whom?

I think it was Shimon Peres today who said Eichmadinjeehad prays to The Bomb.

101 wanumba  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:16:42pm

O'Reilly is a textbook case of the fallacy that our "feelings" reflect "truth."
He reacts well enough with outrage at many of the topics that deserve outrage, and when he does (and genuine righteousness is smothered in today's culture) it's a relief and enjoyable to hear calling a spade a spade. HOWEVER, he runs with his feelings on everything, proving that "feelings" can also be wrong. Righteously angry mobs lynch innocent men all the time - they went with their "feelings" rather than intellect - cool down, take stock, gather some more evidence ... O'Reilly goes with his viceral reaction when analysis is required - especially on subjects that he is ill-informed about, which happens too much (especially given he's supposed to have staff to help with that).
Sum: Too irractic to count on, but frequently enough he hits home runs. Frustrating for people who want more consistency.
Extra awful in a case like this.

102 Carridine  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:17:01pm

re: #78 PIERRE_LEGRAND

The Battle for Civilization...pick your partner and dosey doe
Time to stand up America... not to insult Muslims but to defend our First Amendment Rights!


Exactly!

There's FAR TOO MUCH USE of 'feelings' to CONTROL or OBSTRUCT others!

My FEELINGS tell me NOTHING about YOU, but
my FEELINGS tell me MUCH about HOW I SEE you!

Using FEELINGS to manipulate others rewards the Feeling-Monger!

103 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:17:01pm

H & C didn't mention the Koran case in the intro. I suspect they canceled their coverage.

104 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:17:03pm

re: #91 Charles


Dang Charles..you been hobnobbing with the bigwigs...dang get your own show already!

105 Thanos  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:17:15pm

re: #91 Charles

I also talked to a CNN producer today, by the way, for the Paula Zahn show. She seemed much more aware of the issues. (Of course, that's what they want you to think.)

If Glenn Beck calls, please go :)

106 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:17:25pm

re: #36 Charles

I have a feeling Fox News was planning an LGF ambush tonight on H & C.

Can't see Hannity doing an LGF ambush - Colmes, yes, but not Hannity.

107 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:17:29pm

I am thinking we need to get Zombie on to do a slide show...

Heads would pop coast to coast.

108 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:17:32pm
109 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:17:43pm

re: #95 DesertSage


waves frantically* Heh

110 KSK  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:17:50pm

So in America flushing a Koran is a hate crime.
In Saudi Arabia reading a bible is a capital offense.

111 GreenDroll  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:18:00pm

"Hate Crimes" are well down the slippery slope to where we do not want to go. Making something that is already illegal 'more illegal' based on what prosecutors determine is the 'intent' behind the crime is nothing more than 'thought crime' . Next you will be prosecuted for 'voting crime' if you are not careful.

112 LSD  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:18:01pm

Confucius says: Sitting On Fence Post Too Long And Hard Results In You Spitting Woodchips

113 bosforus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:18:02pm

re: #99 JammieWearingFool

maybe they were just trying to show Kos that they're opposed to left AND right wing blogs. without even realizing that LGF is actually credible.

114 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:18:03pm

re: #76 gooddad

re: #61 NhaTrang72


Bill on big oil makes me sick

You too? I think he actually knows better, but does it because he's 'looking out for us'. I have to change the station when he rants on that. Good thing we have a really good local guy at the same time.

115 justadot  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:18:42pm

#82 Charles
Sorry, Charles, I understand. Just aggravated.

116 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:18:58pm

re: #100 itellu3times

Then let's send him one. From a B-52.

117 CrazyJew  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:03pm

Colmbs just brought it up...

118 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:06pm

re: #103 Charles

H & C didn't mention the Koran case in the intro. I suspect they canceled their coverage.


Next story...

119 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:08pm

re: #103 Charles

H & C didn't mention the Koran case in the intro. I suspect they canceled their coverage.

skeletor just mentioned it

120 FightingBack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:11pm

re: #103 Charles

Nope, it's coming up now.

121 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:12pm

re: #104 Angel

re: #91 Charles

Dang Charles..you been hobnobbing with the bigwigs...dang get your own show already!

Show, no.

Channel, yes.

Get a LizardCam going a la Rush Limbaugh, and start booking those Budweiser ads.

122 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:14pm

re: #100 itellu3times


ha prays to da bomb eh...yea that makes sense dude.

123 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:15pm

Ah, never mind -- they are going to talk about it. I'm trying to do 30 things at once.

124 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:21pm

H&C are going to debate this shortly.

125 DesertSage  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:32pm

re: #109 Angel

Hi Angel...*waving back*

126 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:34pm

re: #103 Charles

Coming up in a minute..commercial break.

127 Resistance Girl  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:39pm

H & C have that segment on Stan on after the commercial break

128 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:40pm

Just thought I'd drop a bit of good news in here...

Prominent hardline Iranian cleric dies at 85

Ayatollah Ali Meshkini, a founding member of Iran's Islamic regime and leader of an assembly that oversees the country's supreme leader, died Monday. He was 85 years old. State television said he died of a lung infection.

The ayatollah was the head of the Assembly of Experts. The 86-member government body can in theory reprimand or even dismiss Iran's supreme leader, a position currently held by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

129 mrfocus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:49pm

My attitude toward "hate crimes" has changed. Matthew Shepard and Robert Byrd were the poster cases for these laws. But as can be seen here "hate" becomes what the left and Islamist determine it to be. "Cross in Urine" or "Virgin in Dung" is art. Carving out more "victim" groups where attorneys and activist judges can create new laws is the path to totalitarianism.

Oh my H&C doing the Koran flush case.

130 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:54pm

I mean the "hate crime" not O'reilly.

131 swamprat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:57pm

Well, it was a hate crime. The only thing that bugs me about this is what is not classified as a hate crime;
...calls to kill Jews,not a crime...support for terrorists abroad,not a crime
...holocaust denial,not a crime
...non-specific calls to kill unbelievers,not a crime
...drawing money from the same people who directly support terrorists,not a crime
...indoctrinating children to hate others, not a crime
... staging deliberate look-a-like hijack situations to desensitize and befuddle law enforcement,not a crime

PUTTING A KORAN IN A TOILET IS ABSOLUTELY A HATE CRIME AND NOTHING ELSE, BUT WHERE IS THE "MEDITATION ROOM" FOR JEHOVAH'S' WITNESSES, MORMONS, SCIENTOLOGISTS, METHODISTS, CHURCH OF THE SUBGENIOUS,BAHA'I, RAHSTAHFARI, ASSEMBLY OF GOD, UNITARIANS, BUDDHISTS, BAPTISTS, AND HINDI?

132 Winmag  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:19:59pm

Brit Hume's show is good, and the discussion at the end is great when Krauthammer is on. Fred and Mort stammer and stutter too much and are wrong about half the time. Maybe Brit and Charles could just spend the last 20 minutes sharing their insights, which are usually in the ten ring. For grins, they could bring Jaun Williams on once a week and beat him up. The rest of Fox sucks.

133 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:20:15pm

re: #110 KSK

So in America flushing a Koran is a hate crime.
In Saudi Arabia reading a bible is a capital offense.


so is having a Church or even wearing a yarmulke...go figure .

wonder what they think of St.Pattys Day...maybe we should ask BILL that !~

134 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:20:17pm

re: #106 reine.de.tout

re: #36 Charles


I have a feeling Fox News was planning an LGF ambush tonight on H & C.

Can't see Hannity doing an LGF ambush - Colmes, yes, but not Hannity.


Did you see how he treated Walid Shoebat?...talked over him.

135 FightingBack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:20:20pm

re: #101 wanumba

Remember his judgment in the Hornbeck kidnap case?

136 CrazyJew  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:20:51pm

As an aside... Does anyone here think that "Cross in Urine" or Bible in toilet should be outlawed?

137 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:20:51pm
138 LSD  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:21:32pm

#131

PUTTING A KORAN IN A TOILET IS ABSOLUTELY A HATE CRIME ...

I reject that outright

139 Perplexed  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:21:40pm

BO doesn't get much airtime on any TV I watch. IMHO H&C are much better and have a much more consistant view of the world.

140 DesertSage  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:22:01pm

Skeletor would ambush his own grandmother if he thought it would make him popular.

141 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:22:02pm

There is a thread on Free Republic tonight about how he also slimed them this evening.

142 ParanoidPyro  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:22:05pm

re: #136 CrazyJew

As a Christian, no. I do, however, greatly object to being forced to fork over my tax dollars to endore something that offends me so.

143 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:22:21pm

Can I watch H&C on line guys?

144 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:22:24pm

~ Sung to the Tune of Danny Boy

Oh Billy boy, your snipes, your snipes are appalling
Like Osama Bin, down your ratings slide
The summer's gone, and your dumb to Muslim lying
'tis you, 'tis you must go as The Factor died.

But come you back when Geraldo is in Mexico
Or when your wife's spent all your dough
But we'll still be here in sunshine or in shadow
Oh Billy boy, oh Billy boy, we loathe you so.

145 P. Aaron  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:23:05pm

A while ago, I wrote O'Reilly off as the; "stopped watch that's right twice a day" but he's really a clock with no hands.

146 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:23:16pm

re: #140 DesertSage

Skeletor would ambush his own grandmother if he thought it would make him popular.


I think he's already done that..ha

147 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:23:33pm

re: #136 CrazyJew

As an aside... Does anyone here think that "Cross in Urine" or Bible in toilet should be outlawed?

No.

Nor do I want it subsidized by taxpayers or be told I'm close-minded when I condemn it.

Someone wants to do that crap on their own time and own dime, knock yourself out. Just don't expect me to pay for it or condone it.

148 DesertSage  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:23:33pm

re: #143 Angel

Can I watch H&C on line guys?

We'll give you the play by play Angel.

149 KSK  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:23:35pm

Flushing the Koran is not a hate crime.
Quoting from the Koran may qualify as one.

150 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:23:41pm

re: #105 Thanos

re: #91 Charles



If Glenn Beck calls, please go :)

second!

151 Thanos  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:23:46pm

Now for some controversy -- we can't agitate against hate crime legistlation if we are not willing to take the results both ways. That would be hypocritical, and just plain wrong. So ... when there are definite hate crimes we need to spell out what distinguishes them. One thing that certainly seems to be a theme in the cases that win is actual violence against person(s) or threats of violence / intimidation.

152 GreenDroll  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:23:57pm

OT, How many people believe that Clinton had Hume's son killed?
I believe.

153 mrfocus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:24:02pm

Yo go girl!

154 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:24:04pm

re: #131 swamprat

You forgot:

Burning the Stars an Stripes=free speech.

155 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:24:12pm

#131 swamprat

Well, it was a hate crime

...or a politcal statement.
When your religion IS your politics, what do you expect.

156 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:24:29pm

Bridgett Gabriel is taking on the Arab "princesses" issue right now. And, of course, is doing a slam dunk.

157 amused  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:24:37pm

O'Reilly can't support Korans in the toilet and also object to the piss Christ and the dung Mary without being totally inconsistent. Not that that's stopped him before, but this would be particularly obvious.

158 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:24:47pm

re: #148 DesertSage

re: #143 Angel


Can I watch H&C on line guys?

We'll give you the play by play Angel.


ok got me some popcorn dude...g'head ~!

159 CrazyJew  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:24:55pm

re: #142 ParanoidPyro

I find myself going back and forth on this issue... I'm asking myself if I would want someone to go to jail if they put a Torah in the toilet... Part of me says yes...

160 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:25:18pm

re: #149 KSK

Flushing the Koran is not a hate crime.
Quoting from the Koran may qualify as one.


wow great line!

161 Maine's Michael  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:25:24pm

Windbag. Jerks off looking at himself on TV.

Either that, or sexually harassing subordinates.

162 easy  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:25:33pm

re: #36 Charles

I have a feeling Fox News was planning an LGF ambush tonight on H & C.

Was? Did you dissuade them?

163 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:25:40pm

re: #148 DesertSage

FWIW, that's the second time recently I posted the exact second as someone else.

164 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:25:45pm

re: #156 ciaospirit

Bridgett Gabriel is taking on the Arab "princesses" issue right now. And, of course, is doing a slam dunk.


I give her book away to people asleep.

165 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:25:48pm

Doesn't that sleazy Saudi prince Whatisname own a big chunk of Fox? Hasn't he boasted of his informal influence over programming?

It might seem to lefties that Fox is conservative but this is true only within the narrow band of soft-peddling Bush administration positions and policies. This is not inconsistent with kowtowing to the oil ticks, not inconsistent at all.
O'Reilly has gotten something of a pass here because he annoys liberals. It may be time to hold him to account. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" only applies under such dire conditions as a Nazi invasion. We are not there yet. For now we are better off without this conformist wimp in blowhard's clothing when it comes to real issues.

166 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:25:49pm

#147 Jammie...

Nor do I want it subsidized by taxpayers or be told I'm close-minded when I condemn it.

Maybe we are missing something here.
Had he got an NEA grant to throw it in the toilet, then everything would be groovy!

Duh! /slaps head

167 Capt_Faust  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:26:45pm

OT...

I understand that the LGF community is sick of Paris Hilton, (as Am I for that matter...) but this is one article that needs to be read...

Paris Hilton to be stripped of inheritance

She is getting nothing...

All of the money (upon Death) will be given to charity...

/ WOW...I did not see THAT coming...seriously

168 Maine's Michael  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:26:48pm

How about organizing a flush-a-thon?

Let's see them arrest 300 people each dumping a koran in a port-a-potty.

169 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:27:02pm

Brigette Gabriel for President!

170 easy  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:27:04pm

re: #74 Charles

Jammie: they asked me to be on, but I had plans I couldn't change.

Ah, I understand.

171 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:27:18pm

She is against the Saudi deal..God bless her.

172 GreenDroll  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:27:25pm

If they put one of my books in the toilet they should be prosecuted. If they choose to put one of their own books into their own toilet, why should the government get involved?

173 CrazyJew  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:27:32pm

Shees... another commercial!

174 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:27:33pm

re: #136 CrazyJew

As an aside... Does anyone here think that "Cross in Urine" or Bible in toilet should be outlawed?

Absolutely not.

175 Capt_Faust  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:27:46pm

I've always told my friends that people like Paris and Lindsey Lohan(s) of the world are to be pitied. Why? Well my friends it is because of the little things in life...when you earn you keep in life through trade and job, you respect yourself and your hard work keeps you down to earth. I mean I paid my way through my undergrad in my early 20's without taking loans out...semester, by semester. And you know what? I respected my education and (hopefully) gained copious amounts of knowledge from my experiences...but I digress...

Paris and other starlets are to be pitied, cause they have no idea about how the majority of the world operates. If their financial situations, or acting, or music, or whatever, goes down the proverbial crapper then they have nothing to grab on to. You and I (and all other hard working LGF lizards) have skill sets, and rationality to ground us...if I loose my finances, I'll pick myself up and start again. These layabouts in lace have no concept of a hard days work...and now Paris has become the living embodiment of my example. A spastic child of the idle rich, stripped of the item that made her what she was...access to more riches than the kings of all of Old Europe. Now she must cope...and one can only hope (albeit silently for most compassionate people) that she places her life on track and is able to give up her excess lifestyle...

I pity the Britney Spears, and Lindsey Lohans of the world...there star will fall from the Hollywood sky shortly. I may be dirt poor, but I still see hardship in other lives that are not my own.

176 Thanos  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:27:51pm

re: #136 CrazyJew

As an aside... Does anyone here think that "Cross in Urine" or Bible in toilet should be outlawed?

Absolutely not, and I'm going to disagree with Swamprat. Holocaust denial is not a crime, it's lunacy as all denial of reality is, not a crime though.

177 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:28:15pm

O'Reilly's a grandstander. Dishonest to the core. Anyone who saw him attack the young man whose father died on 9/11 should know that. Pointless ranting about him years later.

178 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:28:40pm
re: #136 CrazyJew

As an aside... Does anyone here think that "Cross in Urine" or Bible in toilet should be outlawed?

No.

But I'm with others that I shouldn't have to pay for it.

179 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:29:17pm
180 Capt_Faust  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:29:30pm

I am not hijacking the thread (especially for any thing named Paris...except Paris Texas, that was a good film)...

But I thought the Army should know...

181 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:29:41pm

I think people forget all Christians in America were indirectly asked to help fund the "Piss Christ" thanks to our tax contributions to the NEA. When the Muslims get to pay to have somebody flush and crap on a Koran, then maybe I'll sympathize a little more.

182 CrazyJew  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:29:53pm

I'm still torn on this issue, but I am really encouraged by the lack of hypocrisy here.

183 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:29:53pm
184 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:29:53pm

Been having some issues with Blogger...

I hardly watch anything on the tube anymore that doesn't involve crab fishing.

Also (and I've said this before) I would never defile a toilet by dropping a Koran in it. Nor would I defile myself by touching a Koran.

/Come on CAIR! Sue me!

185 David Simon  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:29:53pm

re: #159 CrazyJew

re: #142 ParanoidPyro

I find myself going back and forth on this issue... I'm asking myself if I would want someone to go to jail if they put a Torah in the toilet... Part of me says yes...

Then your username fits.

186 KSK  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:30:19pm

@160 Angel
Thank You!

But rather obvious I believe. Mein Kampf is not a vile book because it speaks about the "greatness of the German people" or whatever.
It's vile because it calls for the mass murder of Jews.
The Koran is not vile because it talks about the greatness of Allah.
It's vile because... well see above.

187 mrfocus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:30:26pm

re: #136 CrazyJew

As an aside... Does anyone here think that "Cross in Urine" or Bible in toilet should be outlawed?

No. Don't do it on the "public's" dime. Burn, flush, destroy YOUR propery at will.

188 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:30:29pm

re: #136 CrazyJew
As an aside... Does anyone here think that "Cross in Urine" or Bible in toilet should be outlawed?

Ditto with Ciao.

What self respecting artist would take money from the government they hate for their art?
Bahh..
Bunch of faux artists.

189 swamprat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:30:32pm

re: #147 JammieWearingFool

hear,hear!

190 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:30:37pm
191 CrazyJew  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:30:39pm

re: #185 David Simon

:)

192 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:30:44pm
re: #136 CrazyJew

As an aside... Does anyone here think that "Cross in Urine" or Bible in toilet should be outlawed?


They are things...God is in heaven...not on a cross.

193 FightingBack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:31:12pm

re: #136 CrazyJew

As an aside... Does anyone here think that "Cross in Urine" or Bible in toilet should be outlawed?

How could one write such a law? Religious symbols are infinite in number. Some religions have hundreds, nay thousands, of holiest sites, etc...

194 Thanos  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:31:17pm

OT:

US court dismisses child slavery case against Dubai ruler

MIAMI: A judge in Miami on Monday dismissed a lawsuit alleging the ruler of Dubai enslaved thousands of children and forced them to work as camel jockeys, saying the suit fell outside the court’s jurisdiction.

Judge Cecilia Altanoga ruled in favor of the defense, which argued that Sheikh Mohammad bin Rashed al-Maktoum did not have sufficient contacts in Florida to justify trying the suit in the southeastern US state.

“We’ve said from the beginning that this case doesn’t belong in US courts and we’re gratified by Judge Altonaga’s careful legal analysis and ruling,” said Habib Al-Mulla, a spokesman for the Dubai ruler.

The class-action lawsuit filed by parents of child jockeys alleged Sheikh Mohammad, his brother Sheikh Hamdan bin Rashed al-Maktoum and other unnamed defendants kidnapped and enslaved children, in some cases as young as two, to be used on the camel racing circuit.

The plaintiffs argued the two defendants could be tried in Florida because corporations they own do business in that state, but the judge said this ran “contrary to well-settled principles of corporate law”.

“Because the court concludes that it lacks personal jurisdiction over the identified defendants, it does not reach or address the merits of the other arguments raised,” Altanoga said in the ruling.

The defense had argued the interests of former child jockeys are best served through an existing programme to send them back to their home countries and compensate them there.

Sheikh Mohammad is also the vice president and prime minister of the United Arab Emirates, and Hamdan serves as UAE finance and industry minister. afp

195 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:31:26pm

I'll always think of this thread when the LLL's rail on about how we all march lock step to Bill's talking points.

196 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:31:27pm

re: #168 Maine's Michael

How about organizing a flush-a-thon?

Let's see them arrest 300 people each dumping a koran in a port-a-potty.

And we'll make sure to put it on youtube. Name the time and place!
(I have to say, that I really don't like the idea of damaging ANY books (lifelong bookworm here), and esp holy books, even if they are the Quran. My support for the Grand Flushathon is out of thumbing our collective noses at both the left and the muslims.)

197 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:31:58pm

#181 goodbye

When the Muslims get to pay to have somebody flush and crap on a Koran, then maybe I'll sympathize a little more.

I think you just went yard with that shot my friend.

Going, going, its gone...

198 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:32:18pm
199 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:32:20pm

H&C said CAIR is going after the school (Pace).

200 mrfocus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:32:40pm

God morondotcom

201 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:32:41pm

re: #141 MarkX

There is a thread on Free Republic tonight about how he also slimed them this evening.

So he's after the Freepers as well. For his next trick, he will go to a biker bar and kick over some Harleys.

202 CrazyJew  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:32:42pm

Colmbs is against it as an hate crime!

203 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:32:44pm

re: #177 threecoloursblue

If you're thinking of the same chump that showed up on O'Reilly's show a few years ago to criticize the U.S. for "killing" its own citizens, the kid should not have been kicked off the set.

He should have been taken out and head slapped.

204 Virginius  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:33:10pm

O'Reilly has gotten worse since he started his radio show. Like Hannity, he spreads himself too thin. You just can't do four live hours every day and have time to study and prepare - so, you wing it, and O'Reilly ain't a very good winger.

Our #2 conservative radio station here in Northern Virginia, WTNT 570, cancelled O'Reilly a few weeks back. Replaced him with local sports talk for a while. We're hopin' for Mark Davis...

205 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:33:13pm

re: #175 Capt_Faust

Beautifully put!

206 bofh  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:33:15pm

Call me crazy, but I have a somewhat different take on some of O'Reilly's actions.

I don't think that he understands the blogosphere (or the 'net in general) and greatly fears it. Nor do I think that he understands that there are conservative sites as well as LLL swamps.

I think he just generally feels he has to fight back against any momentum coming from the internet, and in this case, since LGF, MM, HA etc were generating buzz, he just had to go the other direction. Survival instinct, perhaps - after all, he IS really just part of the media establishment, and has to see the blogs (all blogs) as threats.

207 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:33:17pm

heart attack time.

208 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:33:22pm

Colmes sided against calling it a hate crime.

209 mrfocus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:33:41pm

re: #200 mrfocus

God morondotcom

I take that back.

210 Capt_Faust  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:33:43pm

re: #178 ciaospirit

re: #136 CrazyJew As an aside... Does anyone here think that "Cross in Urine" or Bible in toilet should be outlawed?
No.

But I'm with others that I shouldn't have to pay for it.

DING DING DING DING DING...

My tax dollars fuel enough crap...there is no need for "art" that needs to explore "art"...especially if it is just some sort of artist who gets off bashing Christianity, Judaism, or the US in general, and must create something at taxpayer expense to "educate" the masses...

/ I loathe postmodern art..

211 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:33:46pm

re: #176 Thanos

re: #136 CrazyJew


As an aside... Does anyone here think that "Cross in Urine" or Bible in toilet should be outlawed?

Absolutely not, and I'm going to disagree with Swamprat. Holocaust denial is not a crime, it's lunacy as all denial of reality is, not a crime though.

It is in Germany.

212 CrazyJew  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:33:58pm

Pace banned Obsession?

213 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:34:05pm

Colmes said no one has proven CAIR is tied to terrorism.

214 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:34:12pm
215 faraway  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:34:19pm

Wow!

OReilly for CAIR

Colmes against CAIR

216 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:34:43pm

re: #186 KSK


It is astounding how even pple with Biblical knowledge compare the level of rage and hate and sexual impropriety of the Old and New Testaments with the Kuuuran.

Have they ever read the Bukkkharis?...pffttt!
Buk–hari (72:715) - A woman came to Muh–ammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being “greener” than the green veil she was wearing. Muha–mmad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

217 froghat2k  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:34:47pm

Bill Oreilly is a dork. Please retire!

218 chewydog  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:34:48pm

#86 JammieWearingFool 7/30/2007 6:14:23 pm PDT reply quote

Avoiding Skeletor is good for your health.

Just the sight of (C)holmes makes me want to commit violent acts.

219 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:35:09pm
220 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:35:09pm

They are saying CAIR is directly fueling the flames of this.

221 FightingBack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:35:13pm

Why do they use that angled photo of Stas?

222 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:35:44pm

re: #214 song_and_dance_man

re: #208 ciaospirit

Colmes sided against calling it a hate crime.

Well raise my left eyebrow.

Laughing.

223 CrazyJew  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:35:47pm

re: #219 buzzsawmonkey

Hey. I'm "Crazy" , not "Stupid" Jew...

224 Thanos  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:35:47pm

re: #211 bikermailman

re: #176 Thanos


re: #136 CrazyJew

As an aside... Does anyone here think that "Cross in Urine" or Bible in toilet should be outlawed?

Absolutely not, and I'm going to disagree with Swamprat. Holocaust denial is not a crime, it's lunacy as all denial of reality is, not a crime though.

It is in Germany.


Exactly, and we aren't Euroweenies ruled by technocrats yet, this is still America, we are still free.

225 stevieray  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:36:02pm

re: #210 Capt_Faust

/ I loathe postmodern art..

I loathe postmodernism period.

226 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:36:36pm

re: #208 ciaospirit

Colmes sided against calling it a hate crime.

This is why Skeletor is my favorite leper liberal. Every once in a while, he applies authentic liberal principles to a problem and (not surprisingly to, say, FDR fans) he comes up with a position opposite the liberal mainstream. He also opposed reviving the fairness doctrine, for instance.

227 faraway  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:36:37pm

Why is Fox using the term "desecration"?

228 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:36:42pm

The "Flying Imams". Wouldn't that make a great name for a band?

LOL

229 MacGregor  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:36:54pm

Could O'Reilly have deliberately claimed hate crime to force the left to confront the issue?

230 Resistance Girl  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:37:08pm

Hannity is using talking points from LGF

231 Cobra  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:37:10pm

OMG. I agree with the broad from moveon.org

Somebody shoot me.

232 Kulhwch  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:37:13pm

    Poor Bill, I thought he had a really brass pair, it's sad to see him squirm and crawl for his masters, and to appease the Kos before his advertizing revenue dries up and blows away.  Tsk.

    I guess it comes down to this: though we're ALL in the same boat, the boat of free speech, and we could lose it, those in the business of 'free' speech (ask Bill's advertizers what its worth) will sometimes sell short in the hopes that they will be allowed to continue their careers.

    And to think we were trying to rally support for him just a few days ago.  What a waste of bandwidth ...

}:(     [Somebody tell me that Limbaugh still has a pair, please!]

233 stevieray  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:37:31pm

re: #229 MacGregor

He ain't that clever.

234 ParanoidPyro  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:37:42pm

Any time I find myself agreeing with Skeltor is a terrifying moment...and yet, there it is tonight.

235 Capt_Faust  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:38:02pm

re: #201 Shiplord Kirel

So he's after the Freepers as well. For his next trick, he will go to a biker bar and kick over some Harleys.

LOL...you are spot on.

Heh...I know of a few ones that would be verrryyy interesting places if that happened...the "games" would be of a different type than rather than the ones normally reserved for those establishments.

236 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:38:07pm

re: #212 CrazyJew

Yes.

237 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:38:11pm

re: #210 Capt_Faust

I don't want my tax dollars funding ANY art at all. It is just a way to fund things that could never survive in the free market.

238 yehoshua  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:38:27pm

The fact that the guy who dumped the Korans is Jewish is important here since O'Reilly's anti-semitic tendencies are well-known.

239 saywhat?  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:38:55pm

Allen asks "Is it an act of intolerance" . . .

Damn it Allen, the Koran is a doctrine of intolerance!

240 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:38:57pm

What a strange day.

241 rtheyserius  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:38:57pm
I’d be disappointed, except that I expected it.

Same here.

One has to understand that major media figures are not ready even to admit, in their own minds, the idea that Islam is not a religion of peace, or that the Koran is not a sacred religious document concerned only with God, but rather a political manifesto couched in religious terminology.

That kind of thought is currently taboo, even for most conservatives in the U.S.

Our principles tell us that all religions are equal and should all be protected equally. Therefore, desecrating the Koran is the moral equivalent of painting swastikas on Jewish temples.

I only wonder how many Islamic nukes it will take to amend that popular persuasion.

242 Ninobrown79  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:38:59pm

I love how they call these places "meditation rooms" instead of churches or prayer rooms, since the ACLU has banned them in all public colleges. Yet this same organization seems strangley silent when it comes to banning the muslim religion in public places.

243 Fork N' Head  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:39:21pm

Josh, I guess I should have waited to post on this thread... copied from 2 threads ago at the bottom ... O'Reilly... what an ass.

"O'Reilly is the "Paris Hilton" of conservative talk radio... all fluff no substance... and all full of himself.

Staunch Catholic, arrogant bastard... 60% conservative, 40% liberal."

244 Zack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:39:28pm

O'Reilly's take will probably escalate the issue.
Word of advice to toilets across North America: BRACE FOR IMPACT!

245 ParanoidPyro  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:39:29pm

Any other South Park fans here that remember the "hate crimes" episode? It was a classic. ("Hate crime laws, a savage hypocracy!")

246 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:39:30pm
247 mrfocus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:40:03pm

"It is an act of intolerance" - Colmes

Yo Alan what you and "Liberals" want is an act of INTOLERANCE"

248 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:40:11pm

re: #100 itellu3times

re: #85 Angel

re: #69 Krampus

good grief!...Eichmadinjeehad actually prays?..to whom?

I think it was Shimon Peres today who said Eichmadinjeehad prays to The Bomb.

Eichmadinjeehad LOL

249 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:40:16pm

My sweet mother (yellow-dog Democrat) flipped out when I told her about this arrest. She said it was time for protests across the nation: get permits for a meeting and a bonfire at town hall, then burn as many Arabic-language Korans as we can get our hands on.

250 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:40:16pm

re: #231 Cobra

OMG. I agree with the broad from moveon.org

Somebody shoot me.

It's not MoveOn.org. It's Move America Forward. Exactly opposite.

251 NYexpat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:40:22pm

re: #135 FightingBack

re: #101 wanumba

Remember his judgment in the Hornbeck kidnap case?

Not Me, the fact is that even as a Christian, as deeply offensive as I found p*## Christ, The freedom to make such statements is what freedom of speech is all about.

252 Kulhwch  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:40:23pm

    We still have that list of advertizers, right?

}:)     [ ... I can be an evil man ... sigh ... ]

253 thebigolddog  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:40:27pm

Too bad they gave you a bad vibe Charles. You could have really set Colmes straight on CAIR tonight.

254 Resistance Girl  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:40:29pm

re: #241 rtheyserius

It will only take one.

But what a shame we have to wait...sit and wait...for a horrific attack.

255 faraway  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:40:57pm

re: #241 rtheyserius

This is the pickle we are in today.

Could a GOP Presidential candidate win by leading us out of our funk?

256 FightingBack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:41:02pm

re: #211 bikermailman

Germany is a special case. We all know what happens when one cannot remember the past...

257 saywhat?  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:41:12pm

re: #237 screaming_eagle

re: #210 Capt_Faust

I don't want my tax dollars funding ANY art at all. It is just a way to fund things that could never survive in the free market.

Your comment reminds me of the 21 ways to be a good liberal . . .

21 Ways to be a good Democrat

1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.

2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe that the government "owes" you something, therefore, we need more social programs.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger, Gloria Steinem, and certain liberal movie stars are more important to America than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee, and The Supreme Court..

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.

16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very honest person.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex maniac belonged in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites, and hard core sex, should be constitutionally protected, and displaying the 10 Commandments or the Confederate flag should not.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

21. You have to believe that illegal aliens should be left alone because they're here to "make a better life for themselves."

258 Capt_Faust  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:41:23pm

re: #205 bikermailman

Thanks...I guess that momma raised me right.

A testament to her fine teaching when I was a lad...

259 ron paul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:41:25pm

I think it may constitute a hate crime the way it is defined. Also islam is a hate crime by the way hate crime is defined. I also think it was a desecration of the toilet.

260 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:41:34pm

What I'm disappointed about is the lack of attention on the South Koreans still being held by the Taliban - who have killed a second hostage - all while demanding the release of a number of Taliban thugs. Shaming the Taliban into releasing the South Koreans didn't work and military force may not work as the area where they're being kept may be booby trapped to discourage a rescue.

261 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:41:50pm

re: #248 Krampus

and what may I ask does Krampus mean?..heh

262 MacGregor  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:41:57pm

re: #238 yehoshua

He did offhandedly defend the swastikartists. hmmm.

263 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:42:02pm

#204 virginius

You got Mark Levin?

He has a pair the size of cannonballs.

264 gymnast  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:42:38pm

How can you have "hate crimes" without "hate punishments"? As far as I am concerned some criminals have enough hate for others and themselves to go around twice. The criminal code will suffer mightily if this hate crime codification becomes "standard fare. We punish criminals for their actions, as proved period. No one has a "state of mind meter".

I can do any damed thing I want to with a a book I own, a painting I own, or a flag I own. On the other hand I cannot mistreat my wife, my kids my animals, other people etc. Common sense is something that is becoming rare in some laws and law books. I do not think book burning is an acceptable practice for governments but it sure as hell is for individuals who come by a book legally in this country.

Hear that Chomsky?

265 DesertSage  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:42:51pm

re: #231 Cobra

OMG. I agree with the broad from moveon.org

Somebody shoot me.

If you're talking about Melanie Morgan she's definitely not from MoveOn.org.

This is Melanie's website [Link: www.moveamericaforward.org...]

266 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:43:23pm
267 Sponge  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:43:52pm

Well, I don't know what to say. I usually respect o'reilly's opinion, but this one kind of surprises me.

No where in the law does it say that the desecration of a holy book is considered a hate crime.

Here's a link to the bill.

Someone please read this and tell me where it says the desecration of a holy book fits this bill?

It says a WHOLE LOT about violent acts that cause harm.

(1) The incidence of violence motivated by the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim poses a serious national problem.

(2) Such violence disrupts the tranquility and safety of communities and is deeply divisive.

(3) State and local authorities are now and will continue to be responsible for prosecuting the overwhelming majority of violent crimes in the United States, including violent crimes motivated by bias. These authorities can carry out their responsibilities more effectively with greater Federal assistance.


THIS is why I fear the worst with Chief Justice Roberts being down for the count. This is a violation of free speach. If you can burn a flag, you can crap on a bible. Freedom of expression.

268 stevieray  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:44:00pm

O'Reilly has spent too much time in the "bubble*", his claim of "everyman" status is now a fraud. He's an insider with too much to protect to go out on any really dangerous limbs. Pickets and angry letters he can handle, seething and insane killers... no thank you.

*Bernard Goldberg's "media bubble"

269 libertexian  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:44:03pm

O'Reilly is a ratings tool. He'll take a side to provoke debate. I've watched him for years, not that I care what he has to say but who's on the show and what they have to say. If he doesn't like what the guests say, he'll run them off. Tonite, he gave Malkin 'the last word'.

This makes the dems call for a 'fairness doctrine' even more absurd. Unless of course, they need help to disband the Kos kidz.

270 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:44:06pm

re: #246 song_and_dance_man

re: #226 Shiplord Kirel


re: #208 ciaospirit

Colmes sided against calling it a hate crime.

This is why Skeletor is my favorite leper liberal. Every once in a while, he applies authentic liberal principles to a problem and (not surprisingly to, say, FDR fans) he comes up with a position opposite the liberal mainstream. He also opposed reviving the fairness doctrine, for instance.

He is also my favorite liberal, along with Susan Estrich. When H&C first started I wrote to Colmes praising his fairness and he actually mentioned it on air to Hannity's chagrin.

Try listening to his radio show once in a while...every looong while. He tones things down for the tv show.

271 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:44:08pm

Hannity & Melanie ruled the roost on this one. She even stated that CAIR is trying to head us to Sharia law. Last year, I asked Al-Akhras (Nat'l Vice-Chair-CAIR) in a video interview if he wanted Sharia law for America; he wouldn't answer the question.

272 Thanos  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:44:14pm

re: #249 MandyManners

My sweet mother (yellow-dog Democrat) flipped out when I told her about this arrest. She said it was time for protests across the nation: get permits for a meeting and a bonfire at town hall, then burn as many Arabic-language Korans as we can get our hands on.

Yes, this is an issue that classical Liberals and Conservatives can unite on. That's why it's real important to start lobbying when that federal hate crimes bill gets out of committee.

If Stan loses the initial rounds of his case the only hope will be to take it to Federal level.

273 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:44:21pm

re: #253 thebigolddog

Too bad they gave you a bad vibe Charles. You could have really set Colmes straight on CAIR tonight.

I didn't decline the show because of a bad vibe... I declined because I'm right in the middle of some major work on LGF tonight.

274 Capt_Faust  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:44:24pm

re: #237 screaming_eagle

re: #210 Capt_Faust

I don't want my tax dollars funding ANY art at all. It is just a way to fund things that could never survive in the free market.

DING DING DING...could not have said it better myself.

It just seems oh so coincidental that all this "must have" art arises from the dung heap of intellectual thought...and that all the artist have huge agendas to push in their products (that don't sell, unless they "have" to be subsidized).

/ You are wise...a Lizard that other hatchlings need to emulate.

275 Logan  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:44:49pm

I don't know why O'Reilly bothers with this "Not a Republican, more of a conservative Independent" shtick.

Does he really think he's going to attract liberal viewers?
He ought to realize who it is exactly that's watching each week.
Always seems desperate to come down on the other side of a few token issues, trying to paint himself as not right wing, and in the process he's chosen some pretty strange bedfellows.

276 thebigolddog  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:44:55pm

O'Reilly is first and foremost a populist which is why he does things like perpetuate "oil company" conspiracy theories. I often have to remind myself however that O'Reilly covers a lot of stories that the rest of the MSM completely ignores and he deserves a lot of credit for that.

277 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:45:01pm

re: #203 goodbye_natalie

I thought he turned up to say he didn't want any more killing! Quite a normal reaction for the victims of terrorism.

278 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:45:01pm

lawhawk (#260),

What I'm disappointed about is the lack of attention on the South Koreans still being held by the Taliban - who have killed a second hostage - all while demanding the release of a number of Taliban thugs.

Couldn't agree more.

I guess dumping on O'Reilly is just too much fun.

279 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:45:04pm

re: #249 MandyManners

My sweet mother (yellow-dog Democrat) flipped out when I told her about this arrest. She said it was time for protests across the nation: get permits for a meeting and a bonfire at town hall, then burn as many Arabic-language Korans as we can get our hands on.

So THAT'S where you get the fire in the belly from!

280 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:45:05pm

Hot Air has the video of O'Reilly vs. Malkin...
Video: Should Stanislav Shmulevich face felony hate crimes charges?

281 Ninobrown79  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:45:14pm

I would figure the only crime commited here was that the book didnt flush.

282 Kulhwch  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:45:52pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

O'Reilly is a fart in the conservative elevator.

    ROFLMGDAO!

}:)     [And look, you made me spritz my flatscreen!]

283 mrfocus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:46:16pm

re: #260 lawhawk

What I'm disappointed about is the lack of attention on the South Koreans still being held by the Taliban - who have killed a second hostage - all while demanding the release of a number of Taliban thugs. Shaming the Taliban into releasing the South Koreans didn't work and military force may not work as the area where they're being kept may be booby trapped to discourage a rescue.

Sad part of this the MSM doesn't care. They'll be killed. It is not like car bombs in Bagdad. There is a narrative to preserve.

284 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:46:23pm

It's sad to see so much dependence on the establishment, here at LGF of all places. Why all this kvetching about O'Reilly?

Are we really that powerless that we have to rely on people like him and Alan Colmes to fight this battle for us?

We need to take this matter into our own hands. We need to organize a serious protest BIG time.

Those of you who think we should rely on the judicial system or the media to do the right thing in this case, are going to continue to have these nasty surprises.

WAKE UP.

285 David Simon  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:46:27pm

#165 Shiplord Kirel -

Doesn't that sleazy Saudi prince Whatisname own a big chunk of Fox? Hasn't he boasted of his informal influence over programming?

I've heard that a Saudi prince owns 15% or so of the stock. Of greater concern, I've heard that Murdoch's son is a full-fledged moonbat. I hope the scuttlebutt isn't true.

286 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:46:29pm

re: #257 saywhat?

Gen. Robert E. Lee?

287 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:46:42pm

#241 rtheyserius


I only wonder how many Islamic nukes it will take to amend that popular persuasion.


When Darwin meets Murphy, bad shit happens.

288 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:46:44pm

Who's goin to make the

FREE STANISLAV t-shirts first?

289 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:46:47pm

re: #226 Shiplord Kirel

re: #208 ciaospirit

Colmes sided against calling it a hate crime.

This is why Skeletor is my favorite leper
liberal. Every once in a while, he applies authentic liberal principles
to a problem and (not surprisingly to, say, FDR fans) he comes up with
a position opposite the liberal mainstream. He also opposed reviving
the fairness doctrine, for instance.

I agree. I wasn't shocked he took that position, as it's usually a consistent position of his. Pretty much everything else I disagree with him on, but as someone who does both radio and TV, he's know what freedom of speech is about.

290 Sodra Djavul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:46:54pm

It's time for the Boston Quran Party.

Some wise lizard lock up the domain. Let's assemble at Boston Harbor on December 16 (I think that's the date; I think it's a Sunday), and toss Qurans into Boston Harbor en masse.

291 Logan  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:46:54pm

re: #251 NYexpat

Agreed.
I'm a Christian, and I found it repulsive... But would never think to physically attack the artist or to suggest violence against the museum.

292 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:46:54pm

For the record, I thrive on bad vibes.

293 KSK  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:46:58pm

@216 Angel

If you really wanted to (and of course some people do just that) you could go cherrypicking and find quite a few lines in the Old Testament which are completely unacceptable in our times.

But that's not the point. The difference is that Christians and Jews do not stone their wives or people who change faith. They are fully aware of the historic context in which the Old Testament was written and act accordingly.

Muslims believe that everything the Koran says and mandates has to be carried out literally. That is what makes the Koran a dangerous book today.

294 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:47:08pm

Sorry... just got in... what reason did O'Reilly give for saying that poor bastard should be charged with a hate crime?

295 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:47:31pm

re: #257 saywhat?

Yeh. That's a good start.

296 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:47:36pm

re: #256 FightingBack

re: #211 bikermailman

Germany is a special case. We all know what happens when one cannot remember the past...

True, but they have similar laws all over Europe. It's a place run by the bureaucrats, and they have been stifling freedoms for decades.

297 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:47:59pm
298 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:48:09pm

re: #278 Geepers

lawhawk (#260),

What I'm disappointed about is the lack of attention on the South Koreans still being held by the Taliban - who have killed a second hostage - all while demanding the release of a number of Taliban thugs.
Couldn't agree more.

I guess dumping on O'Reilly is just too much fun.

Geeps... I sent you an email the other night but it bounced back! Could you send the LGF story to my email?

Thanks Geepers!

299 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:48:22pm

NiceLass (#284),

We need to take this matter into our own hands. We need to organize a serious protest BIG time.

So who's stopping you?

300 gymnast  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:48:23pm

#281, Ninobrown79. Flushing a Koran without first performing the bodily functions the commode was designed for is a misdemeanor waste of water.

301 Ninobrown79  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:48:35pm

How could you be for charging someone with 2 felonies for putting a book in the toilet?

302 ParanoidPyro  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:48:35pm

re: #286 Noam Sayin'

History nerd speaks up: General Robert E. Lee did more than just lead the Confederacy, he also was an important figure in the Mexican American War. In the Civil War, he also restrained his troops from fighting a protracted guerilla war and surrendered w/ honor.

/My 2 cents.

303 Capt_Faust  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:48:42pm

re: #225 stevieray

re: #210 Capt_Faust

/ I loathe postmodern art..
I loathe postmodernism period.

Yes, it is a bit taxing to say that no one person is right...and that the authors original intent can, and in many cases, may be changed to represent whatever viewpoint you'd like to see...

/ Sounds like malarkey to me, or crap to others! :D

304 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:48:43pm

re: #261 Angel

re: #248 Krampus

and what may I ask does Krampus mean?..heh

Krampus is the Anti-Santa. An old alpine-pagan tradition. The term "better be nice than naughty", stems from good' ol' Krampus.

305 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:48:52pm

re: #292 Charles

For the record, I thrive on bad vibes.

hey!

306 thepinch  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:49:05pm

Wow I actually like O'reilly, but I believe he may have lost a fan over the one.

307 Cobra  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:49:07pm

re: #250 Charles
Whew! Thanks Charles. Thought I was in Bizarro World for a sec.

308 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:49:26pm

re: #249 MandyManners

re: #277 threecoloursblue

He turned up on O'Reilly to criticize us for even going after the Taliban in Afghanistan and blaming the U.S. foreign policy for a family member's death.

Do you consider him a sane individual because if you do, you should really take the time to take a poll of the general public involved in 9/11 and ask them if they think we should have punished the perpetrators.

309 ron paul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:49:50pm

re: #283 mrfocus
Gee flush a book, or kill an innocent human being? Which matters more?
The world is insane.

310 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:50:12pm

re: #293 KSK


you could go cherrypicking and find quite a few lines in the Old Testament which are completely unacceptable in our times...

I'm not even sure about that part my friend...there are after all , commentaries for many of the writings ...

However, the hate speech in the Kuuuran wouldn't have even been applicable in the Dark Ages!

311 thebigolddog  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:50:27pm

re: #273 Charles

My bad. I misunderstood your earlier post.

312 libertylad  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:50:52pm

O Really is from Long Island , attended Harvard , was a school teacher... does anymore need to be said?

313 bryantms  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:51:00pm

re: #37 Killgore Trout

O'Reilly is a fart in the conservative elevator.

This wins my award for funniest comment against Bill O'Reilly of the day...

314 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:51:06pm

Ginn,

Hit my nic.

315 Carridine  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:51:24pm

re: #249 MandyManners

My sweet mother (yellow-dog Democrat) flipped out when I told her about this arrest. She said it was time for protests across the nation: get permits for a meeting and a bonfire at town hall, then burn as many Arabic-language Korans as we can get our hands on.

Find ONE Koran,
COPY its cover,
PASTE the cover on hundreds of cheap, dead paperbacks,
and THEN
THROW THEM onto the bonfire
while
Videotaping the exercise, for propaganda efforts later!

The message? This is America, where humans are free to think! We think THIS about the Koran!

316 Ninobrown79  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:51:25pm

re: #308 goodbye_natalie

No the Iraq war and the war in Afghanistan are both now considered hate crimes against innocent muslims minding their own business and the President should be charged with multiple felonies.

317 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:51:27pm

re: #296 bikermailman

It might be run by bureaucrats, but you can sit outside and have a drink without shoving it into a paper bag.

318 Logan  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:51:34pm

re: #284 NiceLass

Agreed.

With so many like minded individuals, a massive expression of solidarity with the individual charged with the Quran in the Qu'rapper incident comes to mind.

Or a mass flushing of Korans... What kind of world do we live in if burning American flags produces a ho-hum response but a Koran in the pooper is a hate crime?

If we can't do it in America, we're living in a terrible time.

319 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:51:40pm

re: #304 Krampus

ah thankeez...well Angel...means um..."angel". ha

320 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:51:43pm
321 Sponge  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:51:49pm

re: #273 Charles

re: #253 thebigolddog


Too bad they gave you a bad vibe Charles. You could have really set Colmes straight on CAIR tonight.

I didn't decline the show because of a bad vibe... I declined because I'm right in the middle of some major work on LGF tonight.

Well, you gotta hand it to him...at least Charles is not an attention whore.

322 Dngrmse  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:51:55pm

#243

"O'Reilly is the "Paris Hilton" of conservative talk radio... all fluff no substance... and all full of himself.

Please tell me this does'nt mean I'll be forced to view a pantyless shot of O'Reilly getting out of a car.

323 Ninobrown79  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:52:33pm

And to think OJ is walking free today after double murder, we need a Johnny Cochran type to get him off by saying if the poo dont fit you must aquit.

324 Born Again Republican  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:52:36pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Thank you!

325 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:52:43pm
326 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:53:19pm

re: #314 Geepers

Got it!

Thanks!

327 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:53:19pm

re: #319 Angel

re: #304 Krampus

ah thankeez...well Angel...means um..."angel". ha

Ah, my Angel! Have you been-good?

328 Capt_Faust  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:53:26pm

Got to run...

Later Lizard Army!

/ Oh and #322 Dngrmse...LOL

329 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:53:51pm

re: #254 Resistance Girl

re: #241 rtheyserius

It will only take one.

But what a shame we have to wait...sit and wait...for a horrific attack.

Agreed. I bought extra water this weekend. My daughters think I'm strange, we have gallons stored in the basement.

I hate to agree with Chertoff, but I have bad, bad feeling about the next two months. If we can make it to October, I'll feel much better.

330 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:54:05pm
331 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:54:12pm

re: #322 Dngrmse

Please tell me this does'nt mean I'll be forced to view a pantyless shot of O'Reilly getting out of a car.

There's an image I didn't need.

332 Winmag  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:54:13pm

Song and Dance Man. There was a time I listened to Estrich, But she got so sucked in by the exit polling in 04', and the premature gloating was so sickening, I have kind of written her off since then. Colmes is occasionally right, and I see glimmers of classic liberalism in some of what he says. Fox is a venue for these guys to promote their books, their factor gear and bring on guests to sell their books. Its a frickin' business.

333 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:54:28pm

re: #327 Krampus


always...er..define "good."

I havent tossed any books in the loo today if thats what ya mean.

334 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:54:34pm

re: #290 Sodra Djavul

It's time for the Boston Quran Party.

Some wise lizard lock up the domain. Let's assemble at Boston Harbor on December 16 (I think that's the date; I think it's a Sunday), and toss Qurans into Boston Harbor en masse.

I like this idea a lot but you know in this day and age it would probably become some kind of stupid environmental issue. The headlines would read, "Angry Neo-Cons pollute Boston Harbor With Toxic Material" or something like that.

I like Mandy's mother's idea, too. Get a permit and burn, baby, burn.

335 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:54:49pm

re: #330 song_and_dance_man

What happens when you don't pay your exorcist?

You get re-possessed!

Badda bump.

LOL

336 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:54:49pm

Good thing Bush is having Halliburton build all those "camps" for the Koran haters!

/

337 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:55:17pm

ParanoidPyro (#302),

And after the war when he was in dire financial straights Lee also turned down a very lucrative deal just to use his name to hawk insurance. That kind of chivalry is long dead.

338 ron paul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:55:24pm

re: #300 gymnast
I concur, as someone who uses porta-potties frequently, they should be used for koranic disposal since they contain exponentially more fecal matter and use no extra water.

339 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:55:36pm

re: #257 saywhat?

Thanks for the post. It goes in my saved file.

340 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:55:39pm

#317 threecolors

...and for some reason you think you can't do that here?

341 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:55:57pm

re: #308 goodbye_natalie

Sorry. I wasn't clear. I meant that the reaction of "no more killing" is quite often the reaction of those who have lost loved ones in terrorist violence. O'Reilly is an Irish - American and he knows this.
The attack on the young man was grandstanding, because all it required from O'Reilly was to put forward the arguments you just have.

342 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:56:00pm

re: #297 song_and_dance_man

re: #270 bikermailman

It's not syndicated, and is local to NY. I live in the west. I'm not that much of a fan( actually I'm not a fan - I think he treats people fairly and doesn't go the the gutter like most leftists do) to stream him since there are better things to do with my time.

I think he is syndicated now. I live in Tx, and we have him on at night.

343 Logan  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:56:20pm

re: #292 Charles

re: #332 Winmag

Consider yourself lucky.
The cable package that we get here in Canada has CNN, CNN Headline News, BBC, and the CBC (imagine NPR on TV).
It wasn't until recently that Big Brother, also known as the CRTC, even legally permitted Fox News to be broadcast into Canadian homes.

344 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:56:26pm

re: #278 Geepers

lawhawk (#260),


What I'm disappointed about is the lack of attention on the South Koreans still being held by the Taliban - who have killed a second hostage - all while demanding the release of a number of Taliban thugs.

Couldn't agree more.

I guess dumping on O'Reilly is just too much fun.


Would have been nice to see Bill care about that.

345 Carridine  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:56:36pm

re: #335 Krampus

OLD joke, S&D, OLDE!

346 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:57:19pm

Brother... ...

Runs to catch up to thread!

347 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:57:39pm

re: #340 hous bin pharteen

Define "here".

348 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:58:25pm

O'Reilly has a way to go.

349 Catttt  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:58:30pm

Hotair has a vid up of Mrs. Malkin versus Mr. O'Reilly. Mrs. Malkin was EXCELLENT and Mr. O'Reilly was wrong. I totally agree with her on this hate crime business. I don't care if it's a Muslim ripping up a Bible, Marilyn Manson ripping up a Bible, this current guy pooping on a Quran, a piss Christ, a poop Madonna, Mohammed in drag, Jesus and Mary Magdeline getting it on in a movie, a burning flag, or whatever.

Freedom of expression - it's what's for dinner.

Again, crime is already a crime. Hate crime is the dumbest expression I've heard in a while. There is no love ya crime!

"Hey, I have nothing against you personally, but give me your purse!"

"You seem like a nice guy. Let's have that wallet."

/arghhh

350 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:58:36pm

re: #299 Geepers

NiceLass (#284),

We need to take this matter into our own hands. We need to organize a serious protest BIG time.

So who's stopping you?

Naysayers like you.

351 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:58:55pm

re: #293 KSK

Cherry pick this.

[Link: www.usc.edu...]


And let's not take anything out of context.
Let's use the first 13 verses.

352 Catttt  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:58:59pm

I love you. Bang.

Illogical.

353 stevieray  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:59:10pm

re: #303 Capt_Faust

It is permission to lie. It, along with deconstruction, structuralism, and post-structuralism, are inventions of the left to enable them to lie and spin past failures until they look like successes. Truth is the enemy of the intellectual left.

354 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:59:40pm

re: #345 Carridine

re: #335 Krampus

OLD joke, S&D, OLDE!

Old is new again. Quite liked that-one.

355 PIERRE_LEGRAND[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:59:45pm
356 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:59:48pm
357 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 6:59:53pm

Sorry, gang, we can't go around burning piles of books as a protest, not Korans, not even the works of Chomsky. It pains me to even see it suggested. Piles of moonbats and terror-shills; fine, light 'em up; but piles of books, no way.

358 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:00:04pm

re: #317 threecoloursblue

re: #296 bikermailman

It might be run by bureaucrats, but you can sit outside and have a drink without shoving it into a paper bag.

But you can't have an outside BBQ, report being harassed/beaten/raped to the police without being told to bugger off, you can't pay less than $7/gal gasoline, should I continue? lol

359 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:00:09pm

I have zero respect for O'Reilly now.

Zero Zero Zero

What next, will he be for religious police?

*monster lugie*

360 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:00:13pm

re: #301 Ninobrown79

How could you be for charging someone with 2 felonies for putting a book in the toilet?

People who sense that Americans won't fight back are taking a gamble. Think they'll win?

361 ron paul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:00:16pm

re: #350 NiceLass
No one fears the lone protester.

362 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:00:20pm

re: #350 NiceLass

re: #299 Geepers


NiceLass (#284),
We need to take this matter into our own hands. We need to organize a serious protest BIG time.

So who's stopping you?

Naysayers like you.


His words...have the power to stop you?...man...you are good Geepers...lol

363 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:00:32pm

storagemanager (#344),

Would have been nice to see Bill care about that.

Or somebody. I don't mind the "popular" stories. I just wish there was some focus on hard news somewhere, as it seems it's pretty much all superficial fluff anymore.

364 goodbye_natalie  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:00:44pm

re: #341 threecoloursblue

It was grandstanding, no doubt. But the guy was a punk from the git go and O'Reilly blew a fuse. Though I think O'Reilly does some great work, I'm no major fan so I'm not going to defend him.

I much prefer Glenn Beck's show.

365 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:01:06pm

re: #322 Dngrmse

#243


"O'Reilly is the "Paris Hilton" of conservative talk radio... all fluff no substance... and all full of himself.

Please tell me this does'nt mean I'll be forced to view a pantyless shot of O'Reilly getting out of a car.

EWWW

366 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:01:19pm

re: #312 libertylad

O Really is from Long Island , attended Harvard , was a school teacher... does anymore need to be said?

LOL, what is that, 3 strikes your out?

367 Resistance Girl  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:01:21pm

re: #329 MarkX

Kids always think parents are strange, no matter what we do.

Tell them it's for whatever natural disaster is indigenous to your part of the country.

I have a lot of water stored, too.

368 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:01:27pm
369 KSK  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:01:54pm

@Angel

cherrypicking usually involves picking a phrase "without its proper context".

And if you do that and apply the literal meaning of a certain phrase which is in the Old Testament, that phrase is not looking good. You could even find a few quotes of Jesus which do not look good if you quote then in a manipulative way.

Now the same could be true for the Koran. There is a lot of "nice" content in the Koran, too. And yet this is different. There is only one religion in which name people kill innocent infidels today.

I would even say that Christians have committed terrible crimes in the past. But they did it because they WRONGLY interpreted things they read in the Bible or rather the powers that were did.

But that's not the case with the Koran today. Islamist killers do it not because they wrongly interprete things. No, these things are right there and mandated. They can not be misinterpreted.

And we live in the 21st century, not the 7th.

370 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:02:24pm

re: #36 Charles

Ouch, that may come back to bite you.

371 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:02:29pm

Waves to Reuters!

372 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:02:35pm

NiceLass (#350),

Well there's an easy excuse.

373 Black_Heart684  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:02:41pm

The lounge is calling...will try to resist

374 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:03:40pm
375 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:03:40pm

#347 threecolors..

What? Your Bill Clinton?

The vast majority of the US of A.

376 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:03:52pm

re: #357 Shiplord Kirel

Sorry, gang, we can't go around burning piles of books as a protest, not Korans, not even the works of Chomsky. It pains me to even see it suggested. Piles of moonbats and terror-shills; fine, light 'em up; but piles of books, no way.

Is a Spud Launcher okay?

377 FightingBack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:03:58pm

re: #296 bikermailman

We're actually not in disagreement. It was bureaucrats that set up the structure for the Final Solution. And, this highlights the magnificence of the US Constitution. But it takes the US for it to work, and we must defend it against those that would make their religion more equal than others.

378 Ninobrown79  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:04:02pm

I wonder what would happen if Lindsay Lohan put a Koran in the toilet while in rehab?

379 SeattleSE  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:04:20pm

re: #71 justadot

O'Reilly likes to think of himself as the sane one in the middle of America, standing against the craziness of the left and the right. He'll accept a weak argument just so he can appear to be the sage one, looking out for our interests. Can't say it's that big of a surprise, either.

+1

Exactly. He has some bizarre sense of what I think he considers to be fair play that leads him to take all manner of ridiculous positions.

I personally think that flushing the Koran was stupid and that flushing the library copy was probably some sort of misdemeanor. But the notion that it's hate crime is obscene.

Of course I've always had a problem getting around the "shall make no law" phrase in the first amendment that our legislators don't seem to have.

380 KSK  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:04:23pm

@353 screaming eagle

That's my point

381 ratherdashing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:04:30pm

Well, I watched the H&C segment. They hit the main points:

1. The issue is CAIR-driven
2. It was not a hate crime
3. Damaging books is a poor idea in general
4. The hypocracy and comparison to Piss Christ and elephant dung on Mary
5. The slow slide toward Sharia Law

But to get the real in depth analysis, one has to read LGF. Thanks Charles

382 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:04:46pm

re: #357 Shiplord Kirel

The gas yes. The others... nah.

383 jcr  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:04:59pm

The only moral issue about burning a book is whether the book-burner owns the book in question, and whether the smoke causes a nuisance to his neighbors.

-jcr

384 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:05:06pm

re: #378 Ninobrown79

I wonder what would happen if Lindsay Lohan put a Koran in the toilet while in rehab?


She would miss the toilet...never drink and Koran.

385 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:05:31pm

re: #355 PIERRE_LEGRAND

re: #196 bikermailman


re: #168 Maine's Michael

How about organizing a flush-a-thon?
Let's see them arrest 300 people each dumping a koran in a port-a-potty.

And we'll make sure to put it on youtube. Name the time and place!
(I have to say, that I really don't like the idea of damaging ANY books (lifelong bookworm here), and esp holy books, even if they are the Quran. My support for the Grand Flushathon is out of thumbing our collective noses at both the left and the muslims.)

Thank you for your support of the idea of a counter protest but please understand that we are not protesting the Muslims. We are protesting the jackass government that has laws dumb enough to use against someone exercising their free speech rights.

I guess I should have been more clear. In saying 'muslims' I meant the CAIR types who are trying to sneak sharia law in the back door.

386 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:05:33pm

# 241 rtheyserius

Our principles tell us that all religions are equal and should all be protected equally. Therefore, desecrating the Koran is the moral equivalent of painting swastikas on Jewish temples


Can a religion that denies the validity of our Constitution claim to be protected by it?

Logic would dictate a negative answer.

387 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:05:42pm

re: #177 threecoloursblue

i saw that show. I thought O'reilly did fine there. The young guy who lost his father was trying to manipulate opinion.

388 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:06:34pm
389 SnakeSpit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:06:35pm

Just dropped in for the first time today. This is OT, and I hope it hasn't already been posted, but sometimes pigs do fly. This is a positive article from NYT about the war in Iraq:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

390 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:06:44pm

re: #369 KSK

well said my friend.

Gaza was in the 21st century just a couple of months ago. Now it's in the 7th...take a look...any guesses why? smirk*

391 Sodra Djavul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:06:53pm

re: #357 Shiplord Kirel

Sorry, gang, we can't go around burning piles of books as a protest, not Korans, not even the works of Chomsky. It pains me to even see it suggested. Piles of moonbats and terror-shills; fine, light 'em up; but piles of books, no way.

I find this position indefensible. On the one hand, if you associate book-burning with Nazism, there are clearly many, many other cases throughout history of the same case. Do you honestly think when Athens was razed to the ground they spared the libraries?

On the other hand, if you associate a book itself as some hallowed collection of knowledge, you are supporting the very position Islamists and those who would advocate no separation of church and state.

The demonization of book burning itself is ridiculous. No one is removing an original manuscript from circulation. It's an inanimate object, no different from burning a log or a bra.

It's the political act of voicing disapproval, nothing more.

/My $.02

392 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:07:46pm

re: #357 Shiplord Kirel

Sorry, gang, we can't go around burning piles of books as a protest, not Korans, not even the works of Chomsky. It pains me to even see it suggested. Piles of moonbats and terror-shills; fine, light 'em up; but piles of books, no way.

You know, Shiplord, I admire your honoring of books, I truly do. But for some reason you've raised the Catholic School girl in me. When you put the importance of a book over what it says inside... what it teaches, what it preaches...

393 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:08:29pm

re: #391 Sodra Djavul

I'm with you Sodra.

394 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:08:34pm

I suspect Hitch's piece will be in a number of MSM publications tomorrow.

395 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:08:38pm

I'm voting for Mitt Romney. I just saw his sons.

396 Ninobrown79  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:09:06pm

re: #384 storagemanager

Hahahhahaha. What a shame, winners dont use drugs.

397 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:09:06pm

re: #283 mrfocus


Here is a case where a lot of Christian's should go into the Lion's den. It's a good opportunity for the peace protesting Christian to actually make a powerful statement with their presence. It probably would only take a couple of thousand of them to give peace a chance.

398 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:09:08pm

re: #375 hous bin pharteen

I was visiting Ellis Island ( as a tourist, before the sarky remarks ! ) in 2005 and I was so stunned by the experience I went outside for a cigarette and also pulled the tab on a Bud. Was immediately advised NOT to do that here sir.

399 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:09:18pm

re: #395 ciaospirit

I'm voting for Mitt Romney. I just saw his sons.

aren't they sweet boys.

400 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:09:21pm

re: #374 song_and_dance_man

re: #342 bikermailman

I will check my local listings, but I must say I can't wait to miss it.

Hate to say it, but I'd rather listen to Savage in that time slot. I actually can pull in Denver after dark, and they have some really good local guys. Gunny Bob and Kildarre are two good later ones.

401 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:09:22pm

re: #357 Shiplord Kirel

Sorry, gang, we can't go around burning piles of books as a protest, not Korans, not even the works of Chomsky. It pains me to even see it suggested. Piles of moonbats and terror-shills; fine, light 'em up; but piles of books, no way.

Then what? Rely on the same establishment that got us here?

402 cpuller  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:09:52pm

I didn't know he stuck up for Rather. How could he do that? Rather at the very, very least was incompetent and at the worst he was a willing tool for the destruction of a man's career.

O'Reilly, you are way off base on these things.

403 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:10:10pm

Whenever books are burned, men also in the end are burned.
Heinrich Heine

404 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:10:24pm
re: #357 Shiplord Kirel

Sorry, gang, we can't go around burning piles of books as a protest, not Korans, not even the works of Chomsky. It pains me to even see it suggested. Piles of moonbats and terror-shills; fine, light 'em up; but piles of books, no way

I know you are kidding...but even joking...a human life is less than a book?

405 ruexperienced  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:10:39pm
This is why Skeletor is my favorite leper liberal. Every once in a while, he applies authentic liberal principles to a problem and (not surprisingly to, say, FDR fans) he comes up with a position opposite the liberal mainstream. He also opposed reviving the fairness doctrine, for instance.

He ain't Skeletor. He's the FREAKING CRYPTKEEPER !

FYI O'Reilly is way off on this one.

I can't wait till Michelle takes over either.

406 Wishing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:10:58pm

Well MAYBE what we have going on here really is a religious battle...

407 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:11:00pm

re: #367 Resistance Girl

re: #329 MarkX

Kids always think parents are strange, no matter what we do.

Tell them it's for whatever natural disaster is indigenous to your part of the country.

I have a lot of water stored, too.

LOL.

I tell my 12 year old that buying water by the gallon is better than all those little bottles. She asks, 'So why aren't you drinking it?' LOL

My 20 year old understands my reasoning. She says nothing, but gives me the eye-rolling, 'time to put Dad a home' look.

408 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:11:11pm

Some of us stooped to a lower level once and burned disco records, and guess what, disco died soon after.

409 Born Again Republican  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:11:17pm

I don't see a problem with the O'Reilly show on this matter. He had Michelle on the program who did a first rate job defending the issue. He could have had CAIR on instead of Michelle. I don't think Bill would have defended Stan as well as Michelle did. Who needs Bill on your side anyway!

410 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:11:18pm

#398 Three...


Duh.
You just made my point.
You did it in...New York City.
A city that is fillled by and run by liberals.

411 cpuller  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:11:31pm

There is nothing wrong with burning a book, if it preaches hatred.

I think we know what lies within the Koran.

412 vero  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:11:42pm

so, if i put Bill's book in the toilet, does that mean i hate him?

NO it means I think he is off his ever-loving mind

413 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:11:57pm

re: #372 Geepers

NiceLass (#350),

Well there's an easy excuse.

Do you have any suggestions? I've posted several.

414 insanity police  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:12:33pm

Bill was right on Kos, but wrong supporting trumped up hate crimes charges. Even Colmes doesn't think Stanislav Shmulevich should be prosecuted. I'm canceling my premium membership...and I'm breaking the Factor mug. I wouldn't want to break my Factor Christmas ornament because Bill will support hate crimes charges against me.

415 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:12:35pm

re: #408 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Some of us stooped to a lower level once and burned disco records, and guess what, disco died soon after.

Hahahaha!

416 William  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:12:35pm

O'Reilly's last useful moment was back in early 2002 when he rode the Red Cross (who was sitting on a massive pile of 9-11 donations and collecting interest) to pay out the funds to the families, many of which had lost the 'breadwinner' and were in danger of losing their homes.

Since then, he's been about as relevant and useful as Andrew Sullivan and Rosie O'Donnell.

417 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:12:37pm

re: #387 hazzyday

Apart from 9/11 Americans haven't had to deal much with terrorism and its aftermath. I'm Irish and I've seen the same plea for no retaliation many times. It's quite normal...as is a call for the punishment of the terrorists. It's because its normal that I accuse O'Reilly of intellectual dishonesty.

418 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:13:07pm

re: #411 cpuller

I'm with Shiplord on this one. Burning books is not a good idea - no matter how distasteful the book is.

419 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:13:14pm

re: #399 nyc redneck

re: #395 ciaospirit

I'm voting for Mitt Romney. I just saw his sons.

aren't they sweet boys.

Hunks. All three of them.

Yes, I'm having a shallow moment.

420 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:13:15pm

Drafting Our Daughters (and their Mothers)

Liberal PC dictates this, and it WILL hurt us on the battlefield and at home.

421 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:13:33pm
422 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:13:34pm
423 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:14:21pm

re: #377 FightingBack

re: #296 bikermailman

We're actually not in disagreement. It was bureaucrats that set up the structure for the Final Solution. And, this highlights the magnificence of the US Constitution. But it takes the US for it to work, and we must defend it against those that would make their religion more equal than others.

That's the constant battle. It's been going on with the left tearing it down, while eroding the rights of regular joes to be free from crime, pedophiles, etc. The sharia types have stepped in more recently, and are taking advantage of what the left has been working on for decades. I'm reading a good book by David Horowitz (he has a good website too, Frontpage) called Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left.

424 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:14:22pm

re: #410 hous bin pharteen

Yeah! And we couldn't take the kids into an Irish bar to see the rugby either!

425 KSK  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:14:41pm

I would never advocate flushing or burning a book.
I just don't accept that it is a crime to burn my OWN book because somebody is "offended" by this.
Especially if those offended people do offend me on a daily basis.

426 Ninobrown79  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:14:42pm

Wow look at the link line of the piece in Wonkette about Justice Robert having a siezure "Chief Justice John Roberts has died in his summer home in Maine. No, not really, but we know you have your fingers crossed"

427 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:14:58pm

To those of you who are freaking out over someone talking about a burning book protest. You've learned PCism very well indeed.

Where do you think all those "priceless" books go? You know... the ones you decided to discard because you didn't want them anymore. Did you pack them up and then take them down to the used book store for a credit?

Did you ever ask the hippie looking book seller guy what he goes with books he no longer has room for?

Check out his "wood" burning stove.

428 Thor  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:15:15pm

O'Reilly has "Jumped The Shark".

1) O'Reilly supported the Immigration Bill.
2) O'Reilly now supports restrictions on free speech in the Koran case.

To top it off, O'Reilly accused the Freerepublic of being a hate site tonight.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

429 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:15:18pm

re: #419 ciaospirit

rudy, romney

430 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:15:49pm

re: #393 Ginn

re: #391 Sodra Djavul

I'm with you Sodra.

I second that.

431 Catttt  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:15:51pm

Oddly related, in a way:


Gay Artist Burns Rare $60,000.00 Koran

Charles Merrill, the artist who recently edited the Holy Bible with a black marker and pair of scissors, has lately burned a rare Islamic Holy Book, The Koran, valued at $60,000.00, in an undisclosed Chicago location. "The purpose of editing and burning Abrahamic Holy Books is to eliminate homophobic hate," Merrill stated. "Both ancient books are terrorist manuals."

/Mr. Merrill is wealthy, and he obviously didn't make off with some mosque's Koran.

432 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:16:06pm

re: #418 lawhawk

re: #411 cpuller

I'm with Shiplord on this one. Burning books is not a good idea - no matter how distasteful the book is.

Why.. cause it's a slippery slope? Scary? Fahrenheitish 451?

How about defending the original premise of this thread? The right to Free Speech?

433 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:16:16pm

re: #426 Ninobrown79

Why isnt THAT hate speech!..pffttt!

434 justadot  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:16:20pm

re: #379 SeattleSE

Of course I've always had a problem getting around the "shall make no law" phrase in the first amendment that our legislators don't seem to have.

Hear ya. Though I'm not an O fan, I would have thought (maybe years ago), that O'Reilly would see the simplicity of this. And actually defend it.

I also don't care for specially protected classes of people. All should live under the same rule of law.

435 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:17:33pm
436 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:17:38pm

i feel like burning one

437 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:17:44pm

re: #422 song_and_dance_man

re: #392 Ginn

I rarely quote scripture because I don't think its appropriate for a secular web site, but I think this fits. Romans 2:14, 15

Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.

Could you interpret this for me. It's been a long, long day.

438 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:18:10pm

re: #279 bikermailman

re: #249 MandyManners


My sweet mother (yellow-dog Democrat) flipped out when I told her about this arrest. She said it was time for protests across the nation: get permits for a meeting and a bonfire at town hall, then burn as many Arabic-language Korans as we can get our hands on.

So THAT'S where you get the fire in the belly from!

I came by it honestly! She is a rather conservative woman who could've spent her early adult years as a Yippie but, she chose to raise a family. She has a remarkable ability to slice through dogma.

439 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:18:22pm

I have actually attended a book burning.

It was held every year by Theta Chi, and students brought their own text books for a cathartic end-of-the-year bon fire.

440 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:18:29pm

re: #432 Ginn

re: #418 lawhawk


re: #411 cpuller

I'm with Shiplord on this one. Burning books is not a good idea - no matter how distasteful the book is.


Why.. cause it's a slippery slope? Scary? Fahrenheitish 451?

How about defending the original premise of this thread? The right to Free Speech?

I don't want to burn books...but I have to ask...if I did burn books...is that not free speech?

441 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:18:30pm

re: #418 lawhawk


In the good ol' days the purpose of book burnings was to destroy the knowledge they contain. Books are now plentiful and it's now a symbolic act instead of an act of censorship. I think symbolic peaceful dissent (book burning, flag burning, disrespect to religious/political symbols and figures, etc) is the foundation of our society.

442 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:18:32pm

re: #418 lawhawk


I'm with Shiplord on this one. Burning books is not a good idea - no matter how distasteful the book is.

Would you support any kind of organized protest?

443 FightingBack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:18:59pm

re: #423 bikermailman
Thanks.
Yes, I have it bookmarked.
Remaining vigilant, and,
FightingBack

444 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:19:03pm

There are book and there are books.

The glory of the Alexandrian Library is a dim memory. Its last remnants were destroyed soon after Hypatia's death. It was as if the entire civilization had undergone some self-inflicted brain surgery, and most of its memories, discoveries, ideas and passions were extinguished irrevocably. The loss was incalculable.

445 windhorse  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:19:19pm

Bill O'Reilly = Sideboy

446 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:19:44pm

I've never burned a book. Not even to heat a room. But if I wanted to, I might just burn Mein Kampf.

447 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:19:47pm

And again, for the record, I'm not going to support any kind of campaign to burn/dunk/insult Korans.

Acting deliberately offensive will turn off far more people than it will convince. We should focus on the real issue -- the agenda of the groups who are working to subvert our free society.

448 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:19:56pm

NiceLass (#413),

You've repeatedly stated your opinion that we should all flush korans as some sort of protest. I just want to know why you don't go ahead and organize an effort to do just that.

And if I'm your excuse as to why you can't then I don't think you're going to get very far in confronting islam.

449 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:20:17pm

re: #431 Cattt

Now that's one that I actually object to. It was a rare and valuable piece of history.

450 Sodra Djavul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:20:21pm

re: #425 KSK

I would never advocate flushing or burning a book.
I just don't accept that it is a crime to burn my OWN book because somebody is "offended" by this.
Especially if those offended people do offend me on a daily basis.

As the 70s-era School Rock posited so well, Books are FUN-damental.

But what if books breed fundamentals of the non-literary variety?

451 carefulnow  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:20:22pm

So, are we to assume that Charles and LGF was contacted by O'Reilly's producers because they think we're a hate site? Is that where Charles's bad vibe came from?

452 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:20:28pm

re: #439 Silhouette

I have actually attended a book burning.

It was held every year by Theta Chi, and students brought their own text books for a cathartic end-of-the-year bon fire.

You're just... just... a book burner watcher!

453 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:20:39pm

sorry...
source: From Cosmos, Carl Sagan

454 Chotii  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:21:06pm

Say, did the Savage Nation cover this today? I think my local affiliate has dropped it, because it wasn't on at the usual time.

455 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:21:12pm

#424 threecolors

Just spent the Saturday at an Irish Fest.
Step dancers, Irish bands, good food, and beer.
Outside.
There wasn't even a copper within 10 miles.
I don't live in liberal la la land.
They screw up the places they live really bad, then move to get away from it. Then repeat what they just FU before they moved. Its the cycle of liberalism.

456 ratherdashing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:21:24pm

Burning and damaging books intentionally is a poor idea. If you don't like or agree with the words then you have the option to put your own words in print as a rebuttal. I have to agree with the ACLU here: More speech - not less - is the revenge. I choose to fight this current fight with words.

457 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:21:32pm

re: #436 nyc redneck

i feel like burning one

hahahahahaha! Me too.

458 sick of it all  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:22:12pm

not expected, O'reilly has no knowledge of individual rights, he is a moron...

459 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:22:18pm

re: #447 Charles

And again, for the record, I'm not going to support any kind of campaign to burn/dunk/insult Korans.

Acting deliberately offensive will turn off far more people than it will convince. We should focus on the real issue -- the agenda of the groups who are working to subvert our free society.

This is true, Charles.

I've never burned a book. A flag, a bra.

How do you insult Korans?

460 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:22:41pm

re: #431 Cattt

Interesting that he destroyed a Bible and a Koran, but only one made the headline.

461 FightingBack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:22:43pm

re: #444 Angel

...It was as if the entire civilization had undergone some self-inflicted brain surgery, and most of its memories, discoveries, ideas and passions were extinguished irrevocably. The loss was incalculable.

That better not happen here.

462 earthwirm  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:23:01pm

read the comments here. sick!

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

463 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:23:06pm

re: #455 hous bin pharteen

And guys with guns guarding the perimeter?

464 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:23:08pm

#454 Chotii

Savage Nation?

Puhlease.

465 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:23:42pm
466 Wishing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:23:42pm

re: #446 Ginn

I dont know that i ever personally burned a book...but i can assure you, i have bundled up several and sent em out to the curb.

467 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:24:10pm

No satisfaction for meat-eaters
[Link: www.stuff.co.nz...]

No sex, please, you're a carnivore.

A new phenomenon in New Zealand is taking the idea of you are what you eat to the extreme.

Vegansexuals are people who do not eat any meat or animal products, and who choose not to be sexually intimate with non-vegan partners whose bodies, they say, are made up of dead animals.

468 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:24:38pm
469 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:24:47pm

re: #9 Charles

O'Reilly also stood up for Dan Rather, remember. This is far from the first time he's been on the wrong side.


Thanks for the reminder. I actually forgot about that.

470 sick of it all  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:24:51pm

re: #456 ratherdashing

Burning and damaging books intentionally is a poor idea. If you don't like or agree with the words then you have the option to put your own words in print as a rebuttal. I have to agree with the ACLU here: More speech - not less - is the revenge. I choose to fight this current fight with words.

there have been many protest in history where protestors would rip a pamphlet, book paper etc. In protest, this type of protest is trying to make a point, and it is protected speech, the only thing they could charge him for is minor vandalism...

471 Resistance Girl  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:24:58pm

re: #407 MarkX

12 year old girls will bust your butt everytime. As will 20 year old young ladies.

Pay no attention to the eye rolls. They're just doing what they have to, just like you are.

472 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:25:01pm

re: #447 Charles

And again, for the record, I'm not going to support any kind of campaign to burn/dunk/insult Korans.

Acting deliberately offensive will turn off far more people than it will convince. We should focus on the real issue -- the agenda of the groups who are working to subvert our free society.


I was just pointing out...some don't understand what free speech is...it is not breaking laws...or burning books or flushing them...it is the right to speak your mind...or have unfair jail time put on you... you never break a law to change a law.

473 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:25:07pm

re: #447 Charles

And again, for the record, I'm not going to support any kind of campaign to burn/dunk/insult Korans.

Acting deliberately offensive will turn off far more people than it will convince. We should focus on the real issue -- the agenda of the groups who are working to subvert our free society.

A word of advice. Always wear a bra if you volunteer for the dunk tank at a local charity.

And yes, the real issue are the groups working to subvert our free society. If we don't speak out now then we will be silenced.

474 carefulnow  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:25:37pm

re: #467 cbinflux
Yes, but do they swallow?
/ducks

475 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:25:44pm

#463 threecolors

Are you hitting the bottle now?

476 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:25:48pm

re: #466 Wishing

re: #446 Ginn

I dont know that i ever personally burned a book...but i can assure you, i have bundled up several and sent em out to the curb.

Ha! Just tossed the curb eh?

477 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:25:52pm

re: #448 Geepers

NiceLass (#413),

You've repeatedly stated your opinion that we should all flush korans as some sort of protest. I just want to know why you don't go ahead and organize an effort to do just that.

And if I'm your excuse as to why you can't then I don't think you're going to get very far in confronting islam.

No, I've repeatedly called for some kind of organized protest, it doesn't have to be flushing or burning.

It makes me sick that people actually think the establishment is the way out of this. The establishment is not going to help us.

I can't understand why you or anyone else is against some kind of organized protest or why you would take such a hostile tone with regards to it.

Judging by Charles' last post, LGF is not conducive to the idea, though, which is too bad.

So, aside from throwing some money at Stan's defense, is there anything, anything at all any of you would seriously consider doing?

478 earthwirm  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:26:18pm

rcampbell (See profile | I'm a fan of rcampbell)
Amen to that. A long stay away from the Court would be fine. I won't lie, I wish him a long painful recovery. In fact, I'm not so sure I care if he recovers.

479 Sodra Djavul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:26:26pm

re: #467 cbinflux

No satisfaction for meat-eaters
[Link: www.stuff.co.nz...]

No sex, please, you're a carnivore.


A new phenomenon in New Zealand is taking the idea of you are what you eat to the extreme.

Vegansexuals are people who do not eat any meat or animal products, and who choose not to be sexually intimate with non-vegan partners whose bodies, they say, are made up of dead animals.

No offense to Vegan Lizards, but I never met a Vegan I'd like to eat.

480 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:26:27pm

re: #467 cbinflux

No satisfaction for meat-eaters
[Link: www.stuff.co.nz...]

No sex, please, you're a carnivore.

A new phenomenon in New Zealand is taking the idea of you are what you eat to the extreme.

Vegansexuals are people who do not eat any meat or animal products, and who choose not to be sexually intimate with non-vegan partners whose bodies, they say, are made up of dead animals.

Yup, that's one slippery slope. All-pun intened.

481 KSK  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:26:28pm

#450 Sodra Djavul

Books can have an evil and most dangerous content. But it's not by burning a book that we fight this danger, it's by refuting it.

Unfortunately you will always have people who are immune to reason.

482 Sponge  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:26:42pm

What is all boils down to is, we are catering to the muslhams because they will KILL US in retaliation. That's it. Everyone fears the suicide bomber. Freedom of expression...book burning...flag burning...cross pissing...Mary shitting...it's ALL someones OPINION brought to a visual. Fuck you if you don't like it. You don't have to look at it. (Tax dollars for the cross pissing is over the line, though). That's the beauty of this country. That's why we are SO hated all over the world. WE are the FREEST of the FREE and they are trying to KILL ALL of us because of it.

This man being jailed for this is wrong on so many constitutional levels, it's not EVEN funny. I think the Supreme Court will exonerate this man if this continues, but it SUCKS that it has to go that far.

483 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:26:44pm

re: #462 earthwirm

read the comments here. sick!

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Huffo is filled with heinous freaks.

484 sick of it all  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:26:47pm

re: #458 sick of it all

not expected, O'reilly has no knowledge of individual rights, he is a moron...

correction: remove the not, this is expected from oreilly for the reasons I said...

485 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:26:50pm

re: #468 song_and_dance_man

re: #392 Ginn

You said:

When you put the importance of a book over what it says inside... what it teaches, what it preaches...
To quote storagemanager, 'these [books] are things'. If one burned a book, especially a book that contains truth as found in the words of the servants of God, burning them would not do away with the truth that is already written in our hearts as evidenced by the words of the servant Paul who wrote the letter to the Romans. So when you say that what's inside the book, the truth of what is says, is more important I agree, and cited the words of Paul to buttress your point. I hope I didn't misread you.

You didn't.

486 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:27:21pm

re: #479 Sodra Djavul

re: #467 cbinflux

No satisfaction for meat-eaters
[Link: www.stuff.co.nz...]

No sex, please, you're a carnivore.


A new phenomenon in New Zealand is taking the idea of you are what you eat to the extreme. Vegansexuals are people who do not eat any meat or animal products, and who choose not to be sexually intimate with non-vegan partners whose bodies, they say, are made up of dead animals.
No offense to Vegan Lizards, but I never met a Vegan I'd like to eat.

lol.. Sodra!

487 bikermailman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:27:59pm

re: #474 carefulnow

re: #467 cbinflux
Yes, but do they swallow?
/ducks

Knowing the priggish vegan types, I'd guess not.

488 Logan  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:28:05pm

re: #442 NiceLass

Or a flush?
re: #459 Ginn

I was just thinking the same thing...

Can we not actively seek to point out the inherent misogyny, intolerance and violence in the Qu'ran?

Come to think about it, it'd be pretty "insulting" to force someone to sit and listen to the many verses within the islamic holy book that we KNOW are actively used as justification and inspiration for the global jihad against the kuffar.

489 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:28:13pm

re: #19 mollyshark

This is sad. Very sad. While I agree with O'Reilly on many things, this is beyond "fair and balanced" and well into absurd. Was it motivated by hate? Who knows. Maybe. Is it a felony? Oh come ON. Throwing a book in the toilet a felony? Was it smart? Who knows. Who cares. If someone threw a Torah into a toilet I'd feel sad, but hardly believe that person should be charged with a felony. I am terribly disappointed. I was just going to turn his show on, but I guess I'll wait for Hannity. I need a glass of wine.

my thoughts exactly.

490 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:28:19pm

re: #447 Charles

Acting deliberately offensive will turn off far more people than it will convince.

Yet we cheered the Danes burning the Mohammad effigy...why is this different?

491 Sodra Djavul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:29:03pm

re: #477 NiceLass

I'm all up for the Boston Quran Party.

Patriotic, and historically relevant... Plus no association with excrement.

492 Odinist  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:29:06pm

Qur'an's in toilets and 'Piss Christ's' are bound to piss people off (pardon the pun). But a hate crime? C'mon now, people! WTF is going on?

Agreed, it is disrespectful to mock ANY religion, and putting their holy book in a toilet, certainly qualifies... But when disrespect becomes a crime rather than a moral standing, there is a problem...

Stan wasn't beating, beheading, or kidnapping any Muslims (as far as we know, at least), was he? So why all the fuss over this idiot if he wasn't breaking any laws? OK, he may have stolen the Qur'an from the library, which is a crime, and destroyed a book, which is not a crime, but the max he should get is the replacement cost of the Qur'an in question...

/My 2¢ on the subject

493 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:29:11pm

OK O'Rielly

On 9-11-01, 19 people inspired by the F'n koran murdered 3000 of us.

And this book deserves any respect?

It would have been better for the world had it never been written

and when everyone thinks it belongs in the toilet

including you

the world WILL be a better place.

SNORT.

494 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:29:23pm

re: #477 NiceLass

re: #448 Geepers


NiceLass (#413),

You've repeatedly stated your opinion that we should all flush korans as some sort of protest. I just want to know why you don't go ahead and organize an effort to do just that.

And if I'm your excuse as to why you can't then I don't think you're going to get very far in confronting islam.


No, I've repeatedly called for some kind of organized protest, it doesn't have to be flushing or burning.

It makes me sick that people actually think the establishment is the way out of this. The establishment is not going to help us.

I can't understand why you or anyone else is against some kind of organized protest or why you would take such a hostile tone with regards to it.

Judging by Charles' last post, LGF is not conducive to the idea, though, which is too bad.

So, aside from throwing some money at Stan's defense, is there anything, anything at all any of you would seriously consider doing?

This is not the 60's...we are fighting jihad...look at the words you use.

495 Fearless Fred  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:29:31pm

re: #456 ratherdashing

Go!

496 insanity police  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:29:32pm

re: #472 storagemanager

re: #447 Charles


And again, for the record, I'm not going to support any kind of campaign to burn/dunk/insult Korans.

Acting deliberately offensive will turn off far more people than it will convince. We should focus on the real issue -- the agenda of the groups who are working to subvert our free society.


I was just pointing out...some don't understand what free speech is...it is not breaking laws...or burning books or flushing them...it is the right to speak your mind...or have unfair jail time put on you... you never break a law to change a law.

I don't think I agree with the last part. What about the Boston tea party, segregation, etc...

497 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:29:39pm

I like it when Savage calls O'Reilly's show the "No Spine Zone"

Tonight, Savage is 110% correct.

498 earthwirm  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:29:40pm

attacking his children...

another low.

TakLoufer (See profile | I'm a fan of TakLoufer)
Geez, y'all are +mean+! ;)

But seriously, my favorite line in the AP story was "father of two small children". Both of those little Aryan darlings were adopted from some neo-liebensborn program by their "parents", the only gay marriage officially sanctioned by the Vatican.

Still, why cute Johnny and not patentedly-evil Scalia? Is God working in mysterious ways again?

499 SENATOR  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:29:44pm

Charles... I wish you would have been able to raise the flag tonight on FNC (or even CNN). It's so rare that we get to hear the viewpoint of conservative bloggers. It would have been nice for the public to know that there is a rational counter-weight to hateblogs like Kos and MoveON.

Having said that, I know that your bread and butter is getting the word out via LGF, so if that baby needs some pampering, then by all means... But still... would've been nice to hear you on the tube...

500 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:29:55pm

re: #475 hous bin pharteen

It's half three in the morning here! Bottle's long corked. I'm off to hunt down some music for you.

501 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:30:15pm

re: #482 Sponge

What is all boils down to is, we are catering to the muslhams because they will KILL US in retaliation. That's it. Everyone fears the suicide bomber. Freedom of expression...book burning...flag burning...cross pissing...Mary shitting...it's ALL someones OPINION brought to a visual. Fuck you if you don't like it. You don't have to look at it. (Tax dollars for the cross pissing is over the line, though). That's the beauty of this country. That's why we are SO hated all over the world. WE are the FREEST of the FREE and they are trying to KILL ALL of us because of it.

This man being jailed for this is wrong on so many constitutional levels, it's not EVEN funny. I think the Supreme Court will exonerate this man if this continues, but it SUCKS that it has to go that far.

In the context of art, the idea proceeds the object. Duchamp's Fountain.

502 Judith  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:30:29pm

I'm back. Finished up the last Harry Potter book. Now I know what every eleven year old kid in my circle of acquaintances knows.

Hmm O'Reilly. I'm disappointed. First the no sympathy and accusations of collusion for a victim of a pedophile. Then this business of defending Rather, and now this.

Okay, I officially no longer love his show.

503 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:30:35pm

re: #472 storagemanager


... you never break a law to change a law.

Come on, now. That's just silly. How do you think America became independent in the first place?

504 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:30:50pm

re: #473 Ginn


A word of advice. Always wear a bra if you volunteer for the dunk tank at a local charity.

Spoil sport.

505 ratherdashing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:30:55pm

re: #473 Ginn

A word of advice. Always wear a bra if you volunteer for the dunk tank at a local charity.

lol.

506 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:31:05pm

re: #481 KSK

for people immune to reason, there will be force, which got rid of the Nazis.

Something similar is probably in the offing.

507 ladycatnip  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:31:10pm

Totally disgusted with O'Reilly. Sometimes he's right on the mark and has always been willing to take the heat for it, but this time his pc molecules won the day.

Big disappointment. At least Malkin held her own with him (in my view).

508 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:31:27pm

re: #427 Ginn


I've learned PC? Search my posts here.

"How about defending the original premise of this thread? The right to Free Speech?"


Opposition to book-burning excludes support for free speech? How's that again? You are declining into Dixie Chickism here (chickistas are notorious for asserting that disageeing with them is an attack on free speech). Books ARE free speech, but I did not suggest making it illegal to burn them, now did I?

Where do you think all those "priceless" books go? You know... the ones you decided to discard because you didn't want them anymore. Did you pack them up and then take them down to the used book store for a credit?


My in-laws own a used bookstore. I am perfectly well aware that unwanted books are incinerated, as are worn-out flags for that matter. That's why I included the words, "as a protest" in my original post.

509 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:31:45pm

re: #490 NiceLass

re: #447 Charles

Acting deliberately offensive will turn off far more people than it will convince.
Yet we cheered the Danes burning the Mohammad effigy...why is this different?

It's news to me that I "cheered" that incident. I covered it, yes, but there's a big difference between supporting someone's right to do something and "cheering" it.

510 Catttt  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:31:46pm

re: #449 Killgore Trout

re: #431 Cattt

Now that's one that I actually object to. It was a rare and valuable piece of history.

Yeah, but it was HIS valuable book. I can't object, as he had the right to do it.

I think I've mentioned before, my mama was a librarian. I am a bookaholic. I don't think I'd burn a book. I'd probably try to give it to the Salvation Army or Am Vets. Maybe I could delete an e-book. Maybe.

511 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:31:50pm

re: #432 Ginn

Alrighty then. You want a rant? You're gonna get one.

I hate any and all restrictions on free speech. Especially the political kind. It doesn't matter how distasteful or polar opposite to my own views. I can understand and accept that fighting words can be limited, though I will defend the right to push those limits.

Stan had the right to make an act of political speech - and the dunking of the Koran was definitely political speech, though the way the complaint is worded, it may simply have been done out of anger - in which case it doesn't even rise to the level of a hate crime in the first place.

Either way, O'Reilly is on the wrong side of this whole debate. He's pushing to punish for his act. Does anyone know or remember what he said about the Piss Christ or any of the other incidents where desecrations of religious icons was done in the name of art? Is he consistently coming down on one side of this issue or is he picking and choosing his outrage. If it's the latter, then it's all the more hypocritical on his part.

512 UncleSam  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:31:51pm

How can you commit a hate crime against a book?
If it belongs to someone else, then that's vandalism, etc.

513 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:31:56pm

re: #497 FrogMarch

also:

Nose Pin Zone

514 windhorse  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:32:12pm

O'sideboy

515 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:32:15pm

#500 three...

I will be waiting.

Oh. And our pubs don;t close at 10pm.

516 dances with dhimmis  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:32:18pm

I couldn't agree with Thor more. O'Reilly has definitely "Jumped the Shark" (G-d, I love that term). Then again, I was never really all that impressed by him. I still remember when he was nothing more than just another sensationalist hack trying to make it in the news/entertainment industry, chasing down interviews with voodoo priestesses and crooked used car salesmen for Inside Edition. He was a non-entity then, so it wouldn’t surprise me to see his career come full circle.

517 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:33:00pm

NiceLass (#477),

I can't understand why you or anyone else is against some kind of organized protest or why you would take such a hostile tone with regards to it.

I see you've move from changing the subject to misrepresenting it.

I never said I was against organized protest. And if you think I'm being "hostile", well, good luck in the real world.

518 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:33:20pm

re: #513 Ojoe

re: #497 FrogMarch

also:

Nose Pin Zone

LOL, OK, you win.

519 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:33:26pm
520 insanity police  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:33:36pm

Kos is bashing Bill O. Some really nasty stuff. People here are being very kind to him by comparison.

521 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:34:21pm

IMO, O'Reilly raises his voice and gets animated only to hide the fact that he's been 'phoning it in' for quite some time.

522 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:34:21pm

I haven't watched O'Reilly in a long time. He went off the rails quite awhile back, with the whole "I'm looking out for you" scam.

He acts more like someone from Leningrad than Levittown. I seriously wonder about his mental state.

523 Wishing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:34:26pm

re: #492 Odinist

here here...agree with that!re: #503 NiceLass

re: #472 storagemanager


... you never break a law to change a law.

Come on, now. That's just silly. How do you think America became independent in the first place?

I think we ALL have been infected with a certain amount of PC'ism. But I dont think that will last much longer: before long, the gloves WILL come off.

524 Judith  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:34:33pm

re: #507 ladycatnip

Dang it. I should have held off on Potter and watched Bill. I love watching Malkin.

525 cpuller  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:35:16pm

I never said I would burn the Koran, I just said I don't see anything wrong with it, if it contains what the Koran contains.

I, too, am of the opinion that any kind of book burning misses the point.

I just don't see the burning as all that bad, if the book contains evil.

It is just that the energy is better spent elsewhere.

526 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:35:22pm

re: #496 insanity police

re: #472 storagemanager


re: #447 Charles

And again, for the record, I'm not going to support any kind of campaign to burn/dunk/insult Korans.
Acting deliberately offensive will turn off far more people than it will convince. We should focus on the real issue -- the agenda of the groups who are working to subvert our free society.

I was just pointing out...some don't understand what free speech is...it is not breaking laws...or burning books or flushing them...it is the right to speak your mind...or have unfair jail time put on you... you never break a law to change a law.

I don't think I agree with the last part. What about the Boston tea party, segregation, etc...


The founding fathers did not have the right to change a law...we do...its called a vote and a pocketbook.

527 Chuck Pelto  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:35:24pm

TO: Charles Johnson, et al.
RE: O'Reilly?!?!?!

I've had scant regard for him ever since he sadi,

"There is no other cure than to kill Matt Drudge," O'Reilly charged on the IMUS in the MORNING radio show on Wednesday. -- 5/9/2002

He's no different than those cretins calling for the death of the Vice President, or the President, or, now, Chief Justice Roberts.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

528 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:35:33pm

re: #488 Logan

I think that we've gone full circle because All In The Family comes to mind. Archie Bunker would have said, "hey, this book calls me an infidel, insults me, insults others. Screw you, Koran!" Whereas his son-in-law the fat hippie guy would have argued the LLL side.

This is American. We should be free to voice our opinions. I really do not like it when someone tells me that I should be "a better person". Do they not realize that the enemy we face uses this against us. They know we're hog tied by the pretense of diplomacy and good manners while they use our PCisms against us.

I prefer to keep my right to "not act PC." I prefer to live rather than to one day lie in some mass grave patting my myself on the back for being a "better person" than they were.

529 Odinist  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:35:35pm

re: #517 Geepers

*Sigh*

Again, Welcome back... Voices of reason are appreciated by some Lizards...

530 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:35:39pm

The First Admendment gives the right of free speech. In does NOT give the right not to be offended.

531 earthwirm  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:35:50pm

UncleDave (See profile | I'm a fan of UncleDave)
Well,I'll speak for MY end of 'the Huff Community; and Hope he croaks in the worst painful manner.

532 Fearless Fred  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:36:18pm

re: #479 Sodra Djavul

re: #467 cbinflux

No satisfaction for meat-eaters
[Link: www.stuff.co.nz...]

No sex, please, you're a carnivore.


A new phenomenon in New Zealand is taking the idea of you are what you eat to the extreme. Vegansexuals are people who do not eat any meat or animal products, and who choose not to be sexually intimate with non-vegan partners whose bodies, they say, are made up of dead animals.

No offense to Vegan Lizards, but I never met a Vegan I'd like to eat.

no more (as dr laura might say) exchange of body fluids ... oh well ...
prolly all for the best ...

533 RTLM  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:36:21pm

Here's my kind of anti-Islam protest

H/T babbazee & Co.

534 southernborn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:37:04pm

O'Reilly has gone the way of george bush. to stupidville

535 Sodra Djavul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:37:33pm

re: #509 Charles

re: #490 NiceLass


re: #447 Charles
Acting deliberately offensive will turn off far more people than it will convince.
Yet we cheered the Danes burning the Mohammad effigy...why is this different?

It's news to me that I "cheered" that incident. I covered it, yes, but there's a big difference between supporting someone's right to do something and "cheering" it.

I think that's a fair assessment. I think what Charles was hoping to point out is the growing discontent in Europe with forced Balkanization. The same policies we're growing closer to adopting here in the USA.

536 Logan  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:37:44pm

t re: #509 Charles

But wouldn't a mass flushing of Korans, or something in this vein, be effective in illustrating the hypocrisy of those who advocate the kind of free speech that allows individuals to burn American flags and yet cower in the face of anything involving koran?

I certainly don't accept the premise that it would inflame the
Arab street (at this point, the muslim world really couldn't hate American anymore than it already does).

It's frightening to think that anyone in North America would have to fear for their safety if their were to destroy any religious text.

537 Wishing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:38:05pm

re: #519 Angel

hahahahahhahahah GIVE THAT MAN A PERMANENT JOB!

538 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:38:12pm
539 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:38:18pm

OT
Muslim clerics say Web weddings A-0K
[Link: www.stuff.co.nz...]
[Link: www.stuff.co.nz...]

Who has your neighbor married online, and what is she/he being directed to do?

540 Sponge  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:38:34pm

So, let's go get some of o'reilly's books and put them in the toilet and crap on them. THAT's legal, right?

541 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:38:40pm

re: #522 Ward Cleaver


He acts more like someone from Leningrad than Levittown. I seriously wonder about his mental state.

That whole "...when I grew up in Levittown" shtick is sooo old. He brings it up every radio show (I assume –I gave up listening). He’s just like JF’nKerry mentioning he was in Vietnam in every speech.

542 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:38:43pm

re: #511 lawhawk

re: #432 Ginn

Alrighty then. You want a rant? You're gonna get one.

I hate any and all restrictions on free speech. Especially the political kind. It doesn't matter how distasteful or polar opposite to my own views. I can understand and accept that fighting words can be limited, though I will defend the right to push those limits.

Stan had the right to make an act of political speech - and the dunking of the Koran was definitely political speech, though the way the complaint is worded, it may simply have been done out of anger - in which case it doesn't even rise to the level of a hate crime in the first place.

Either way, O'Reilly is on the wrong side of this whole debate. He's pushing to punish for his act. Does anyone know or remember what he said about the Piss Christ or any of the other incidents where desecrations of religious icons was done in the name of art? Is he consistently coming down on one side of this issue or is he picking and choosing his outrage. If it's the latter, then it's all the more hypocritical on his part.

:gives a low whistle: Man, that was some rant!

A good one too!

543 southernborn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:39:15pm

re: #528 Ginn
amen ginn

544 Resistance Girl  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:39:38pm

re: #538 song_and_dance_man

re: #516 dances with dhimmis


I couldn't agree with Thor more. O'Reilly has definitely "Jumped the Shark" (G-d, I love that term). Then again, I was never really all that impressed by him. I still remember when he was nothing more than just another sensationalist hack trying to make it in the news/entertainment industry, chasing down interviews with voodoo priestesses and crooked used car salesmen for Inside Edition. He was a non-entity then, so it wouldn’t surprise me to see his career come full circle.

I tend to agree. Oprah started in the same manner and in her beginning she was barely a moral step above Jerry Springer although her sharks are nowadays sophistical and domesticated.

FonzOreilly jumped the shark long before he made a career at Foxnews.

Ha ha...it's a little O/T, but yes...remember when Oprah was just like Jerry Springer?

545 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:39:43pm

re: #509 Charles

re: #490 NiceLass


re: #447 Charles
Acting deliberately offensive will turn off far more people than it will convince.
Yet we cheered the Danes burning the Mohammad effigy...why is this different?

It's news to me that I "cheered" that incident. I covered it, yes, but there's a big difference between supporting someone's right to do something and "cheering" it.

All right, we supported their right to do it, and as far as I know, they didn't "turn off far more people than they convinced" by doing it and managing to get some coverage for it.

546 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:40:00pm

re: #537 Wishing


no kidding eh! LOL
I wanna beee like Osama B!..ha

547 kansas  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:40:20pm

I suppose that means there won't be any artwork called the "Piss Quran", huh?

548 LaMano  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:40:28pm

Can anyone explain the difference and why the penalty would be different:

1. I steal your book because I hate you.
2. I steal your book because I hate the subject.
3. I steal your book because I hate the subject and it's religious.
4. I steal your book because I don't want to buy one.
5. I steal your book because I will sell it to make money.
6. I steal your book because I will trade it for food because I am hungry.

Does anything after the 'because' matter? Should it?

549 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:40:30pm

Paris gets the boot--and not much else.

PARTY princess Paris Hilton is $60 million out of pocket after her billionaire grandfather - appalled by her jail term for drink-driving offences - axed her inheritance.

"He was, and is, extremely embarrassed by how the Hilton name has been sullied by Paris," says Jerry Oppenheimer, who wrote a biography of the clan called House Of Hilton.

"He now doesn't want to leave unearned wealth to his family."

The money will go to the Conrad N. Hilton Foundation, the charity set up in the name of the founder of the family business.

SNIP SNIP AND SNIP.

550 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:40:32pm

re: #527 Chuck Pelto

Hey, Chuck, where you been? I've missed your posts.

551 FightingBack  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:40:39pm

re: #510 Cattt

I can't even write in a book.
I took "Library" very seriously.

552 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:40:57pm

re: #517 Geepers

I never said I was against organized protest. And if you think I'm being "hostile", well, good luck in the real world.

What kind of organized protest would you support?

553 Jimmy The Clam  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:41:32pm

Finally people are starting to wake up to what a fraud Bill O’Reilly really is.

If you notice he has about 3 'hot button' issues he milks to work his audience into a frenzy and then he will occasionally throw a random conservative under the bus just to be able to point to it and say he really is balanced.
He is not that much different politically than Geraldo Rivera; both are ratings whores.
I'm glad fellow 'lizardoids' are finally realizing the scam he's running.

554 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:41:34pm

This crap of using the founding fathers is bull...they did what they did...so...we don't have to...if you don't see that...you don't get America.

555 mrfocus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:41:37pm

re: #509 Charles

re: #490 NiceLass

re: #447 Charles

but there's a big difference between supporting someone's right to do something and "cheering" it.

Do you support the the right of Palis cheering 9/11? I do because it is nice to have a definition of what all this is about. Same with Pace.

556 Sponge  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:41:40pm

re: #547 kansas

I suppose that means there won't be any artwork called the "Piss Quran", huh?

SEE?!? There's confusion here. THAT would be ART and is OK. Just doing it to do it is hate and you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of shamrilla law.

557 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:41:40pm

re: #533 RTLM

I'm offended. Hate speech!
Behead those who insult Islam!

558 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:41:49pm

re: #508 Shiplord Kirel


Opposition to book-burning excludes support for free speech? How's that again? You are declining into Dixie Chickism here (chickistas are notorious for asserting that disageeing with them is an attack on free speech). Books ARE free speech, but I did not suggest making it illegal to burn them, now did I?

Why no, you didn't. You just laid a guilt trip on me. "Come on guys, we're better than that..."

Pshaww..

And I'm from Texas. You can insult me by saying I'm declining into Dixie Chickism all you want. But it's still a free country bud.

What I decide to burn Mien Kampf? You gonna call me a Dixie Chick?

559 Angel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:42:09pm

OK behave y'all...This has been one "hot " thread..ha

and dont anyone link to

BURN BABY BURN :disco inferno.. k?

LOL
Ni ni ..laters lizards and lizarettes~!

560 legalpad  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:43:06pm

re: #428 Thor

Good grief. One of these fools who think there is some giant group of "middle of the road" voters, and that "middle of the road" consists of numeric balance of left and right views. Like Bush. (Either one) In reality, the left would like to see him dead no matter how much he "compromises" with them. The right just never trusts him again.

561 Logan  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:43:22pm

re: #528 Ginn

Agreed.
Are we really worrying about having to take the "high road" when dealing with the type of individuals who shoot at adolescent girls for daring to trying to get an education?

[Link: news.scotsman.com...]

I think the Koran, and what's contained within, is deplorable. And a mass destruction of the book would have my support, at the very least as an example of the type of freedoms America is purporting to stand for (freedom of expression/speech etc.)

562 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:43:26pm
563 tblot  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:43:31pm

Has any one heard about our navy and air force sinking two north Korean ships about a 100 miles from Iran. Read and article that they detected radiation. Can anyone collaborate this.

564 SaneInMN  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:43:44pm

O'Reilly, like the majority of the MSM bobble heads, is nothing more than a overpaid entertainer. In his case, on the downside of a very successful, yet pointless, career. Think Wayne Newton. The only ideology O'Reilly adheres to is the belief in himself. Everything else is secondary.

565 Yishai  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:44:00pm

re: #174 Charles

Indeed. we live in a great country where silly people are free to do silly (and insensitive) things.

566 Judith  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:44:08pm

re: #536 Logan

t re: #509 Charles

But wouldn't a mass flushing of Korans, or something in this vein, be effective in illustrating the hypocrisy of those who advocate the kind of free speech that allows individuals to burn American flags and yet cower in the face of anything involving koran?

Okay this was what I was thinking. I find the idea of putting anyone's sacred things in a toilet but I am equally offended by anyone burning a USA or Israeli flag or putting Jesus in urine. So I guess my point is that if they're going to protect the Koran this ay they need to protect the crucifix and flag with the same vigor. Since they obviously do not, then a mass flushing would force them to do the same. However under the rules of Don't do to them what you would find repugnant," Charles is right. I would be deeply offended by someone stealing a Torah and dumping it in a toilet. So I guess I should not do it to a Koran.

As for the Koran flusher, he shold be charged with something. Afterall he did steal a Koran and damage it, twice in fact. What gets me is the severity of the charges. This should have been a set of charges reserved for something truly evil like a lynching or something.

That's my opinion.

567 NhaTrang72  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:44:09pm
92 reine.de.tout 7/30/2007 6:15:46 pm PDT reply quote

Merci pour votre compliment, Monsieur

I was away for a while, fighting the bathroom plumbing; the plumbing won, leaving me vexed & soiled

I have several analogies between O'Reilly and toilet fixtures / plumbing, but none are in Good Taste

568 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:44:28pm

re: #511 lawhawk

Yes, O'Reilly actually came out tonight and said that Shmulevich should go to prison for four years for putting a Koran in a toilet.

Only a malignant narcissist could advocate a position like that. When I saw this show, my last shreds of respect for O'Reilly evaporated.

569 RTLM  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:44:40pm

O'Reilly has similarly stupid views on oil prices:
"Big Oil is the big bad profit hungry villain"

Other than these issues & maybe a few more I can't think of right now, his show is good and I'll keep watching.

570 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:44:50pm

NiceLass (#552),

Why are you trying to make this about me?

571 insanity police  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:44:55pm

re: #526 storagemanager

re: #496 insanity police


re: #472 storagemanager

re: #447 Charles

And again, for the record, I'm not going to support any kind of campaign to burn/dunk/insult Korans.
Acting deliberately offensive will turn off far more people than it will convince. We should focus on the real issue -- the agenda of the groups who are working to subvert our free society.

I was just pointing out...some don't understand what free speech is...it is not breaking laws...or burning books or flushing them...it is the right to speak your mind...or have unfair jail time put on you... you never break a law to change a law.

I don't think I agree with the last part. What about the Boston tea party, segregation, etc...

The founding fathers did not have the right to change a law...we do...its called a vote and a pocketbook.

Ok, how about racial segregation? That is well after the founding fathers.

Also, if Congress passes a facially unConstitutional law you don't have to follow it. Sometimes the laws are not right, and you don't have to follow them.

572 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:44:55pm
573 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:45:05pm

#563 tblot

WHere did you hear/read that?

574 swamprat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:45:38pm

re: #548 LaMano

Uh, how about the book wasn't stolen? It never left school property.

575 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:46:13pm

re: #563 tblot

You got a link or did you just hear this?
I'm sure if it were true O'Reilly would be all over it...

576 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:46:29pm

O'Reilly only supports one cause --O'Reilly.

It's all about him.

Period.

$

577 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:46:37pm

I'm beginning to get a 'globular cluster' kind of feeling.

578 bryantms  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:46:39pm

Do you guys think that Vandalism is a decent charge against him? I mean after all it wasn't his book, right?

I completely agree that he has every right to do whatever he wants with the Koran, but if it wasn't his, that's the only thing that I can see as being punishable.

579 Mormon Doc  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:46:53pm
580 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:46:58pm

re: #571 insanity police
No...you don't have to follow them...I...will work to change them...riot on.

581 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:46:58pm

re: #561 Logan

re: #528 Ginn

Agreed.
Are we really worrying about having to take the "high road" when dealing with the type of individuals who shoot at adolescent girls for daring to trying to get an education?

[Link: news.scotsman.com...]

I think the Koran, and what's contained within, is deplorable. And a mass destruction of the book would have my support, at the very least as an example of the type of freedoms America is purporting to stand for (freedom of expression/speech etc.)

Why yes we are, Logan.

582 tblot  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:47:06pm

Gateway pruidit blog and I google it and read some storys about it. Really hush up but it sure like it happen

583 windhorse  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:47:31pm

Bill O'Sideboy - Kiss my ass you completely meaningless phoney.

584 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:47:43pm

Charles (#577),

LOL.

585 Catttt  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:47:47pm

re: #513 Ojoe

re: #497 FrogMarch

also:

Nose Pin Zone

Cute, but it makes me think of these.

586 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:47:55pm
587 RTLM  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:47:57pm

re: #563 tblot

Has any one heard about our navy and air force sinking two north Korean ships about a 100 miles from Iran. Read and article that they detected radiation. Can anyone collaborate this.

Nope

588 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:47:59pm

#577 Charles

You want to explain that or are you just going to tease us?

589 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:48:46pm

re: #582 tblot

Link, please?

590 cpuller  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:49:08pm

Property was damaged.

Best punishment - pay for replacement, and 100 hours of community service...


I should have went to law school and become a judge.

591 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:49:28pm

re: #563 tblot

You have a link?
I ain't heard/read anything about it.

592 Catttt  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:49:32pm

re: #588 hous bin pharteen

#577 Charles

You want to explain that or are you just going to tease us?

You mean, you don't see them? ? ?

/

593 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:49:44pm
594 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:49:50pm

re: #568 Charles

I understand that he came out and made those comments about Stan tonite, but what was his position about Piss Christ? I'm just wondering if he's being consistent in his position or whether there's something about this particular instance that has gotten his dander up and showed his disdain for free speech.

The one complicating factor is that Stan didn't own the koran allegedly tossed in the toilet, which makes the comparison to the other desecrations (Piss Christ, etc.) more difficult.

595 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:49:50pm

re: #590 cpuller

Property was damaged.

Best punishment - pay for replacement, and 100 hours of community service...


I should have went to law school and become a judge.

It's easier just to stay at a Holiday Inn.

596 Dominic Yeso  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:49:50pm

This is a fine example of this whole hate crime stupidity as is everything else dreamed up in the name of PCism. If flushing a koran is a crime then we've lost a big chunk of what our founding fathers gave us. Damn it to hell and flush a koran today in support of this guy, us, and America.

Flushing..

597 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:50:05pm

re: #563 tblot


It's a bogus rumour started by a questionable website.

598 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:50:16pm

re: #577 Charles

I'm beginning to get a 'globular cluster' kind of feeling.

It's me, right?

:{

Or is it Geepers?

:D

599 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:50:25pm

#592 Cattt

I am post Globular Cluster, it just seems like I have been here forever.

600 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:50:40pm

re: #589 Jim in Virginia

Debka file.

601 Malatrope  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:50:43pm

I apologize for hitting the end of the thread, without reading the whole thread, but I have to say this somewhere.

The whole concept of a "hate crime" is wrong. Wrong, wrong, WRONG. If you are going to legislate against an emotion on the basis that it hurts someone, why not have laws against paranoia? Anxiety? When are we going to have laws against love?

If we are to prevail against barbarism, we are going to need a little hate. Sometimes a little hate is a righteous thing. Like everything else, actions should do the counting, not thoughts. We in this thing we call western civilization are way too far down the slippery slope to the dark ages ourselves, with ridiculous laws against "hate crimes", that blind us to the fact that righteous love sometimes isn't enough to keep armies of crazed zealots away from our country, our neighborhoods, our children's schools.

There is nothing sad, sick, or sadistic about hating Evil. These laws, these legal concepts, tie our hands when we need all the strength and freedom of motion we can muster.

602 wargammer2005  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:50:47pm

o'rielly is on the wrong side of a lot of things

hate crimes (yes, your honor, i killed them all, but i really did not hate them), simply an excuse to pander to minorities as we seldom hear of a minority commiting a hate crime

global warming, seems ok with him if goverment takes more control

death penality

gun control

and a number of other things

i will not watch his show for a long time and will write to tell him so and why

603 tblot  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:51:34pm

re: #597 Killgore Trout

It seems that way but kinda like to question things that the reason I ask thanks

604 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:51:38pm

hous bin pharteen (#588),

God's Sombrero

You have to read the comments.

605 Sodra Djavul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:51:53pm

re: #566 Judith

re: #536 Logan


t re: #509 Charles

But wouldn't a mass flushing of Korans, or something in this vein, be effective in illustrating the hypocrisy of those who advocate the kind of free speech that allows individuals to burn American flags and yet cower in the face of anything involving koran?


Okay this was what I was thinking. I find the idea of putting anyone's sacred things in a toilet but I am equally offended by anyone burning a USA or Israeli flag or putting Jesus in urine. So I guess my point is that if they're going to protect the Koran this ay they need to protect the crucifix and flag with the same vigor. Since they obviously do not, then a mass flushing would force them to do the same. However under the rules of Don't do to them what you would find repugnant," Charles is right. I would be deeply offended by someone stealing a Torah and dumping it in a toilet. So I guess I should not do it to a Koran.

As for the Koran flusher, he shold be charged with something. Afterall he did steal a Koran and damage it, twice in fact. What gets me is the severity of the charges. This should have been a set of charges reserved for something truly evil like a lynching or something.

That's my opinion.

I wholeheartedly agree. As much as I applaud what Stan did, he did steal something. Vandalism in the third degree. That's all he should be charged with.

When we donate, we should earmark extra monies to give this kid the money to buy his own Qurans...

606 NhaTrang72  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:52:08pm
577 Charles 7/30/2007 7:46:37 pm PDT reply quote

I'm beginning to get a 'globular cluster' kind of feeling.

I googled globular cluster, but it just keeps telling me that FIRE CAN'T MELT STEEL, PEOPLE!

607 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:52:08pm

People
Keep on learnin
Soldiers
Keep on warrin
World,
Keep on turnin
Cause it wont be too long.
Powers
Keep on lyin,
While your people
Keep on dyin
World,
Keep on turnin,
Cause it wont be too long.

Chorus:

Im so darn glad he let me try it again,
cause my last time on earth I lived a whole world of sin.
Im so glad that I know more than I knew then.
Gonna keep on tryin till I reach the highest ground.

Teachers,
Keep on teachin
Preachers,
Keep on preachin,
World, keep on turnin,
cause it wont be too long.
Oh, no
Lovers,
Keep on lovin
While believers
Keep on believin.
Sleepers,
Just stop sleepin
cause it wont be too long.
Oh, no!

Stevie Wonder

608 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:52:38pm

re: #554 storagemanager

This crap of using the founding fathers is bull...they did what they did...so...we don't have to...if you don't see that...you don't get America.

They did what they did for their time, and now it's time for us to do what we must do for our time. We are not exempt by any means.

609 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:52:43pm

#477 NiceLass

When a Muslim says they will accept a Christian even if they do not say the Shahada but just say "Jesus was just a messenger of allah", do you know why?

610 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:52:45pm

SO TODAY AMAZON IS RECOMMENDING
Unconventional Warfare Devices and Techniques References Tm 31-200-1, and the Improvised Munitions Handbook. Plus, a helpful volume on boobytraps.

I wonder what led to those recommendations? This is maybe taking the whole Dangerous Book for Boys thing a bit too far.

611 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:52:55pm

re: #582 tblot

OK, gateway pundit na dteh Nork ship
As he notes, it is from Debka, not always a reliable source

612 mrfocus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:53:02pm

Mr. Bill listens to screened calls reads screened "letters to the editor" and thinks Bill O has the pulse of America.

613 justadot  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:53:05pm

re: #577 Charles

I'm beginning to get a 'globular cluster' kind of feeling.

Wow. I've only read about it, but it's interesting to see it develop before my eyes right now. Must be a necessary step in a Lizard's life cycle.

614 Charles  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:53:12pm

By the way -- the sentiments expressed in this thread are probably causing severe cognitive dissonance among the moonbats who think we're all in brainwashed lock-step with Fox News.

Groovy.

615 KSK  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:53:15pm

Maybe someone should ask O'Reilly what he thinks about that fatwa against Salman Rushdie.

616 pat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:53:19pm

O'Reilly, as usual was ill prepared with a vague understanding of the issue. He has no idea the Koran is evil. He will always take the side that is easiest.

Ginn
Piss Christ. O'Reilly was against it, but of course he was on safe ground. So were 300 Mil Americans.

617 Logan  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:53:38pm

As I said before,
"hate crimes = thought crimes."

The only difference is the motivation or ideology behind the act, essentially what the person in question was thinking while committing the act, hence rendering hate crime laws frighteningly Orwellian and obviously (as illustrated by this case) manipulated and used as grounds to restrict freedom of speech and expression.

618 Judith  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:53:39pm

re: #588 hous bin pharteen

#577 Charles

You want to explain that or are you just going to tease us?

He's throwing us old timer lizardoids a little recognition. How well I recall the globular clusters. Go to the hubel Top 100 images, get overawed for a while and then think about a bunch of us commenting on this. You'll have it. It is a classic LGF thread(s).

619 Sodra Djavul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:53:56pm

re: #577 Charles

I'm beginning to get a 'globular cluster' kind of feeling.

PEOPLE FOR THE ETHICAL TREATMENT OF GLOBULAR CLUSTERS

Heh..

620 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:54:00pm
621 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:54:34pm

I just get the feeling...some here...want LGF to rally around some illegal event...that puts us in a bad light...because no matter how much Charles says not a good idea...it pops back.

622 Cobra  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:54:49pm

Globular Cluster?
Is Charles gonna post an open with some NASA pics to sooth the natives.

623 Catttt  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:55:00pm

re: #614 Charles

By the way -- the sentiments expressed in this thread are probably causing severe cognitive dissonance among the moonbats who think we're all in brainwashed lock-step with Fox News.

Groovy.

Heh. I'm laughing like a lunatic here.

I love this place.

624 RTLM  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:55:13pm

A globular cluster is a smaller group of stars off of and near to a full galaxy.

625 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:55:17pm

re: #592 Cattt

You mean, you don't see them?


O' Reilly doesn't exist, he is a photoshop.

626 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:55:20pm

re: #577 Charles

I'm beginning to get a 'globular cluster' kind of feeling.

Strange Days.

627 wargammer2005  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:55:24pm

re: #179 buzzsawmonkey

Hey Buzz!
we agree!

this is a God after all :-)

628 therewaslight  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:55:25pm

How can you commit a hate crime on a book?

It's not possible, books don't have feelings.

Library property was damaged. That's some kind of an offence but property damage is not "hate".

629 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:55:28pm

re: #577 Charles

...anything to do with wet Korans?

630 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:55:29pm

re: #614 Charles

Nah, I'm not brainwashed.

I get my marching orders from Karl Rove.

And a weekly check from the RNC.

631 tblot  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:55:57pm

re: #614 Charles

might be confusing the kos kids

632 Wishing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:55:57pm

re: #563 tblot

Has any one heard about our navy and air force sinking two north Korean ships about a 100 miles from Iran. Read and article that they detected radiation. Can anyone collaborate this.

I read that today...I think they sank it on the 23rd...Article said US guys didnt dare bourd the ship for two reasons:
1. danger of radiation contam.
2. too close to Iranian waters, feared capture if on-board

And i apologise i CANNOT find the link.

633 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:56:11pm

re: #604 Geepers

Thanks for the link; I was looking for it but couldn't formulate a good search:-)

634 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:56:14pm

Charles said "groovy" - DRINK!

635 arcatan  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:56:31pm

"NO SPINE ZONE" that's funny ... and true. O'Reilly likes to portray himself as a crusader for justice, but he's really more of a posturing dandy than anything else. His overzealousness in pushing Jessica's Law, for example, is typical of his tepid insights and abilities. Who can argue against protecting children? But whenever there's any real controversy, O'Reilly can usually be found straddling the fence crowing like a rooster, puffed up and proud because he's discovered an issue that people are interested in.

His embarrassing "confrontations" with pseudo-intellectual Liberals like Michael Moore always expose his insipid nature as he buckles at the first hint of virtue or validity of the Liberal position. Sure, the Liberals, like all religious fanatics, tend to cloak their beliefs in virtue or morality but the inability to find an honest perspective is what makes them zombies. O'Reilly too lacks an honest perspective, probably preferring ratings above all.

O'Reilly's contribution to the larger dialog? I don't know what it is, the only reason I watch him is for relief from the endless stream of predigested tripe that serves as the staple on most other news channels.

Maybe Charles will consider an actual conservative news show and really shock the Liberals! He probably won't ever have the huge audience of O'Reilly, but at least he can speak, at least in part, for the millions of us who have no voice in the larger public dialog.

636 KSK  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:56:48pm

re: #622 Cobra

Globular Cluster?
Is Charles gonna post an open with some NASA pics to sooth the natives.

Wouldn't that be the Friday drinking thread? :-)

637 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:56:56pm

re: #561 Logan

re: #528 Ginn

I think the Koran, and what's contained within, is deplorable. And a mass destruction of the book would have my support, at the very least as an example of the type of freedoms America is purporting to stand for (freedom of expression/speech etc.)

I agree, forget about the book, and go-at the content. Here's our chance to explore what the Koran represents.

638 tblot  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:57:18pm

re: #632 Wishing

just google it It is all over the place

639 RTLM  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:57:31pm

Bill compared to Max Headroom.

640 pat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:57:46pm

Here are O' Reillys brave stands:

Against:
Child Molesters...check
Big Oil...check
Bad Judges...check
Illegal Aliens...check
Terrorists...check

How hard is that? The man is a knee jerk embracer of the easy road.

641 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:57:47pm

You all may be tired of my mentioning it, but in the past year, a TN man was convicted of going into several churches, stealing their Bibles, cutting them up, and then throwing the strips of paper all around the town.

He was not charged with a felony hate crime.

642 easy  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:58:01pm

re: #577 Charles

I'm beginning to get a 'globular cluster' kind of feeling.


Definitely some tunnel posting.

643 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:58:19pm

re: #629 cbinflux


Follow the lgf link Geepers' linked. Funniest thread read...

644 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:58:39pm

re: #640 pat

Here are O' Reillys brave stands:

Against:
Child Molesters...check
Big Oil...check
Bad Judges...check
Illegal Aliens...check
Terrorists...checkbut not Muslims.

How hard is that? The man is a knee jerk embracer of the easy road.

645 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:58:42pm

Also remember, O'Reilly hates blogs.
(cuz he's such an ego-maniac)

646 mrfocus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:58:57pm

re: #594 lawhawk

re: #568 Charles

The one complicating factor is that Stan didn't own the koran allegedly tossed in the toilet, which makes the comparison to the other desecrations (Piss Christ, etc.) more difficult.

It wasn't "theft" it was in University property ie toilet. Vandalism or political statement? Islam is a political creed. Islam seeks world domination. Can you throw moonbat lit.(Marx, Stalin,Che, Zinn) handed out on a Uni. in the Uni's loo?

647 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:59:21pm

I agree with the majority of you that O'Reilly was on the wrong side of this one...

But...I think he is right on enough issues for us to still stand with him. Isn't it ok to disagree with your friends over a few issues and still remain friends? There will come a day when O'Reilly will be on the same side as most of us on this site and we will need his voice -

Case-in-point - his take on the Daily Kos situation - I totally agree with him that the Democratic leaders are wrong for speaking at the Kos convention. Who else in the media will talk about THAT?

648 Wishing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:59:29pm

re: #563 tblot

Has any one heard about our navy and air force sinking two north Korean ships about a 100 miles from Iran. Read and article that they detected radiation. Can anyone collaborate this.

HA! I found the Link:
US sinks Ship near Iranian waters

649 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:59:37pm

re: #632 Wishing
>

Has any one heard about our navy and air force sinking two north Korean ships

See #611 above. Forgive the typos.

650 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:59:41pm

re: #586 song_and_dance_man

re: #552 NiceLass


re: #517 Geepers

I never said I was against organized protest. And if you think I'm being "hostile", well, good luck in the real world.

What kind of organized protest would you support?

Say, let's draw a cartoon of Mohammed with a Bomb Turban and see how the Muslims react. I'm guessing they will ignore it and take it as predetermined persecution.

Hmm...I'm pretty good with crayons! But do you think that would help wake up America?

I'm beginning to wonder if anything would at this point.

651 carefulnow  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:59:44pm

re: #641 Silhouette Hm. Was it Christo?

652 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 7:59:46pm

Get ready for it, I'm about to insult a Koran.


"Take my Koran, please!"

653 MarkX  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:00:10pm

re: #629 cbinflux

re: #577 Charles

...anything to do with wet Korans?

Why are you dragging them into this? And why are they wet?

I like Koreans.

/ I know, I know.

654 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:00:34pm

re: #645 FrogMarch

Also remember, O'Reilly hates blogs.
(cuz he's such an ego-maniac)


He names left wing blogs...the right ...stay nameless...funny.

655 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:00:47pm

Bust out yer thesaurus! It's Woolcott again...


If only the average Daily Kos diarist dug deep in his foxhole with a bayonet between his teeth could emulate the Thurberesque jollity of a Glenn Reynolds or James Lileks, oh what a wonderful polka-dot world this could be.

This, I suppose, is their idea of what constitutes class.

Yes, it's our old familiar sea-weeded she-creature, Shamela of Atlas Shrugs, flipping the middle finger in a two-shot with Cindy Sheehan at a recent, humid antiwar rally. Note that it is Sheehan, the supposed nutball peacenik, who is being genial, outgoing, and a good sport in the photograph, unaware that her good nature is being exploited by the rude, smirky host of a website recently pruned from the Pajamas Media blogroll.

When occicats attack!

656 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:00:47pm

re: #621 storagemanager

I just get the feeling...some here...want LGF to rally around some illegal event...that puts us in a bad light...because no matter how much Charles says not a good idea...it pops back.

Organized protests are illegal, too?
Good God.

657 Catttt  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:01:06pm

With apologies to Bobby Fuller.

Breaking rocks in the hot sun
I wet the Koran and the law won
I wet the Koran and the law won

I swiped a Koran cause I had none
I wet the Koran and the law won
I wet the Koran and the law won

658 Logan  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:01:13pm

re: #640 pat

You mean you're not FOR child molesters?

It reminds me of the type of campaigning that occurs in Canadian politics, where politicians take the bold step in speaking out with such brave statements as being:

- against violent offenders
- for peace and justice
- against environmental devastation
- for education
- against crime

etc. etc. ...

It's the sort of pablum that passes for political debate these days.

659 Wishing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:01:16pm

re: #649 Jim in Virginia

Ahh thanks Jim! And the typos dont bother me.

660 Judith  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:01:16pm

re: #604 Geepers

hous bin pharteen (#588),

God's Sombrero

You have to read the comments.

Your memory is better than mine. I was thinking of discussion around this image. But I think you are right.

661 insanity police  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:01:45pm

re: #621 storagemanager

I just get the feeling...some here...want LGF to rally around some illegal event...that puts us in a bad light...because no matter how much Charles says not a good idea...it pops back.

I don't think many people are rallying around what you call the "illegal event" as much as we are pushing back against trumped up charges brought unfairly because of the nefarious influence of terrorist supporting CAIR.

662 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:01:47pm

re: #568 Charles

re: #511 lawhawk

Yes, O'Reilly actually came out tonight and said that Shmulevich should go to prison for four years for putting a Koran in a toilet.

Only a malignant narcissist could advocate a position like that. When I saw this show, my last shreds of respect for O'Reilly evaporated.

*smoochies*

663 Sodra Djavul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:01:56pm

re: #621 storagemanager

I just get the feeling...some here...want LGF to rally around some illegal event...that puts us in a bad light...because no matter how much Charles says not a good idea...it pops back.

It's the theft that is illegal, and should be punished commensurate with the value of vandalism he inflicted. Nothing more. I applaud the intent.

I'm not looking for LGF endorsement, I'm just saying these early steps of political malcontent are necessary to eventually achieve the necessary realization of the public at large.

Personally, I support a Boston Tea Party style rally with Qurans instead of tea. Same principle, same patriotic spirit. Nothing illegal, because we'll BUY OUR OWN.

664 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:02:16pm

re: #655 Killgore Trout
MIssing link...

Ladyfingers
/I stink

665 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:02:18pm

re: #657 Cattt

With apologies to Bobby Fuller.

Breaking rocks in the hot sun
I wet the Koran and the law won
I wet the Koran and the law won

I swiped a Koran cause I had none
I wet the Koran and the law won
I wet the Koran and the law won

kinda cool, Cattt

666 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:02:23pm

Bill has risen to the audience level where he has to be politically correct and can't say inappropriate things else the one sided media scrutiny will kill him. He is not allowed to say he likes strippers. I don't know if he does, but I do think he couldn't being himself to say it. It's not multi-culturally correct and not catholic correct to approve of a sex trade.

We see the same thing happening in KoS and LGF as they get larger and more powerful. They are among the first blogs to break through and be exposed to public opinion in a broad way. People and institutions are looking to hit them both and put them in the bad limelight.

You can't get too worried over a few black eyes, you blog back up and move forward. You do need an F* off list. And need to tell people what it is. That is where you get info from someone like CAIR and it's an automatic F* Off.

O'reilly doesn't understand blogs and thinks he has the common touch still. He should sign up on LGF for a few months and get his feet back on the earth. It would improve him. Maybe he and ChenZen could become friends.

667 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:02:45pm

re: #656 NiceLass

re: #621 storagemanager


I just get the feeling...some here...want LGF to rally around some illegal event...that puts us in a bad light...because no matter how much Charles says not a good idea...it pops back.

Organized protests are illegal, too?
Good God.


I posted legal protest yesterday...was shot down...by you.

668 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:02:58pm

Anyone wanna speculate what the new nic should be this time around?

669 easy  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:02:59pm

re: #640 pat

Here are O' Reillys brave stands:

Against:
Child Molesters...check
Big Oil...check
Bad Judges...check
Illegal Aliens...check
Terrorists...check

How hard is that? The man is a knee jerk embracer of the easy road.

He is a populist, pure and simple.

670 code red 21  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:03:15pm

Bill O is not worth my time I quit watching that big bag of wind a long time ago. So Bill thinks that if I take my personal copy of the Koran, purchased at Barnes and Noble after 9/11, and burn it, defecate on it, tear it into little tiny pieces and then flush it down the toilet like the piece of shit it is I go to Jail? Bullshit. I think it's time to have a public desecration of that murderous tome just to really insult and piss off the rop'rs. Shit I've been pissed off for six years come 9/11/07 let's just get it started and be done with the dance we've been doing. No Islam is not a religion of peace Pres. Bush, no Sean Hannity, no Bill O, no Glenn Beck. If one more of the talk show or political leaders tells me that Islam has been hijacked by a few radicals I think my head will explode. We are being led down the path to destruction by people who should have enough sense to know that we are in the fight of our lives and our civilization. Islam is the elephant in the room that our leaders won't admit is fighting a religious war against us and the rest of the world. I guess if you don't acknowledge it's presence it means it's not there.

671 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:03:57pm

re: #553 Jimmy The Clam

O'Reilly and Geraldo? Are they ever birds of a feather..2 vultures.

They both started out on local TV in NYC many moons ago, and hard to believe, but they actually were rational.

Now? Add Girly Man in the mix..BTW, is there not some arab money involved in Foxnews now?

Sad. We desperately need what O'Reilly is not..fair and balanced news.

672 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:04:33pm
673 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:04:38pm

re: #660 Judith

Alas, poor Yair. I knew him, Horatio.

674 pat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:04:45pm

BabbaZee has a pic at her site of the Koran as toilet paper. Can we flush?

675 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:04:48pm
Remember...not all who post here are friends...Charles Johnson
676 Francisco D'Anconia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:05:04pm

re: #157 amused

O'Reilly can't support Korans in the toilet and also object to the piss Christ and the dung Mary without being totally inconsistent. Not that that's stopped him before, but this would be particularly obvious.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds

Oliver Wendell Holmes (I think)

677 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:05:19pm

Judith (#660),

Hey Judith!

Your memory is better than mine.

It's a curse. ;-)

678 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:05:29pm

Wait till Bill O'Reilly gleans some mean-spirited comments from this thread and serves up some of his reheated leftover smug recriminations. Maybe we'll make the No-Spin Monologue that he leads off with every day. Bill, Pick me! Pick me you rude ill-informed egomaniac sloganeering pandering media-whore dipshit.

679 Logan  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:06:31pm

re: #663 Sodra Djavul

re: #670 code red 21

While I agree with most of what you are saying,
I don't think you ought to lump Glenn Beck into that pile.

Beck's been extremely valiant in his realistic, un-PC examination of what's fueling the global jihad (rhymes with fislam) and devoted a great deal of time to the issue.

680 DesScorp  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:06:38pm

Does anyone want to argue that O'Reilly is a conservative now?

681 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:07:05pm

#673 Jim in Virginia

He is still here! Wanna guess his nic?

682 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:07:07pm

re: #475 hous bin pharteen

Some music . Not. No link feature, or has it been cunningly changed?

BTW. About this koranic kerfuffle. I personally think that this guy and CAIR deserve each other. HE...sneaked into a toilet to dunk a Koran...well not exactly charging a machine-gun nest is it ?
THEY... bring down the law on him. More bravery.

683 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:08:04pm

re: #678 Mich-again

Wait till Bill O'Reilly gleans some mean-spirited comments from this thread and serves up some of his reheated leftover smug recriminations. Maybe we'll make the No-Spin Monologue that he leads off with every day. Bill, Pick me! Pick me you rude ill-informed egomaniac sloganeering pandering media-whore dipshit.

Okay, I'm rooting for ya, Mich!

684 Judith  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:08:11pm

re: #673 Jim in Virginia

LOL!

685 Catttt  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:08:12pm

re: #665 Ginn

re: #657 Cattt

With apologies to Bobby Fuller.

Breaking rocks in the hot sun
I wet the Koran and the law won
I wet the Koran and the law won

I swiped a Koran cause I had none
I wet the Koran and the law won
I wet the Koran and the law won

kinda cool, Cattt

Heh. Damned by faint praise. :) It kept running through my head.

686 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:08:38pm

re: #681 Roger

Who?
Hint?

687 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:09:05pm

#604 Geepers

Thanks geeps. That was funny as hell.
The more things change, the more things stay the same.

688 DVol  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:09:07pm

Well, I sent my email to Bill. At very least I hope he suffers the indignation of the mail server with thousands of people shouting at him.

689 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:09:28pm

I wouldn't waste my money to dunk a Koran. But I do enjoy occasionally sliding a copy of "The Satanic Versus" and "Charlotte's Web" onto the Koran shelf (always at the top) at the local Borders.

690 Francisco D'Anconia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:09:29pm

dont recall sinead o'connor being charged with a hate crime after tearing up picture of the pope and saying he was the real enemy.

691 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:09:31pm

re: #585 Cattt

re: #513 Ojoe

re: #497 FrogMarch

also:

Nose Pin Zone

Cute, but it makes me think of these.


Pin Head Zone

(since Mr. O is always calling people pin heads.) tonight O'Reilly is King-O'the Pin Head army.)

692 raizel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:09:42pm

but why did that student do that?

Don't you think he really shouldn't have done it because it is a bad thing to do, whether muslims like it or not? BTW this is the first I've heard of it.

693 Dominic Yeso  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:09:48pm

re: #621 storagemanager

I just get the feeling...some here...want LGF to rally around some illegal event...that puts us in a bad light...because no matter how much Charles says not a good idea...it pops back.

Not here. If its a theft then so be it - take the punishment. If its vandalism to the toilet & piping then so be it - take the punishment. But come on here, a hate crime? wtf?

694 pat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:09:48pm

Maybe O'Reilly has been sipping some of that KoolAid of his.

695 Born Again Republican  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:09:56pm

re: #647 kiwiviv

I agree with the majority of you that O'Reilly was on the wrong side of this one...

But he had Michelle Malkin to cover the right side and did a great job!
No points for that?

696 Wishing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:10:04pm

re: #682 threecoloursblue

HE...sneaked into a toilet to dunk a Koran.

In the video, O'reilly said they caught him on camera. Is this a new thing going on at college campuses? Cameras in the terlets?

697 Judith  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:10:04pm

re: #677 Geepers

Too much Fort Garry beer. Which has me wondering...has Ed ever said anything about being drunk in Winnipeg?

698 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:10:07pm

#686 Jim in Virginia

Charles put scare quotes around it:-)

699 Odinist  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:10:09pm

re: #656 NiceLass

You're not such a 'NiceLass', are you? If you want to flush a Qur'an, go ahead, but I doubt many Lizards would follow your lead...

/At least I hope so...

700 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:10:21pm

Wow Mich-again...tell us what you REALLY think of Bill O'Reilly!

I believe many of you are being a little harsh with Bill - I think you would find that he agrees with you more than he disagrees. There are so few media folks even as right-wing as he is (I know he is not a true conservative, but don't shoot the folks who are trying!)

701 tblot  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:11:03pm

re: #666 hazzyday

I agree with you

702 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:11:19pm

re: #690 Francisco D'Anconia

dont recall sinead o'connor being charged with a hate crime after tearing up picture of the pope and saying he was the real enemy.

It wasn't a book. Nor was it a cartoon of Mo.

703 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:11:31pm

re: #667 storagemanager



I posted legal protest yesterday...was shot down...by you.


Do you mean, relying on the congress and judicial system to do the right thing, maybe writing a few letters, phone calls to senators, that kind of legal "protest?" Because I don't think that's going to be very effective. Or what kind of legal protest did you post about that I shot down?

704 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:11:37pm

First Bill going awol, now a bunch of Christians are jumping ship. Notice it's really not about doing what's right, but doing what's "viable."

They said that being a friend to Jews and to Israel "does not mean withholding criticism when it is warranted." The letter added, "Both Israelis and Palestinians have committed violence and injustice against each other."

The letter was signed by 34 evangelical leaders, many of whom lead denominations, Christian charities, ministry organizations, seminaries and universities.

They include Gary Benedict, president of The Christian and Missionary Alliance, a denomination of 2,000 churches; Richard Mouw, president of Fuller Theological Seminary; Gordon MacDonald, chairman of World Relief; Richard Stearns, president of World Vision; David Neff, editor of Christianity Today; and Berten Waggoner, national director and president of The Vineyard USA, an association of 630 churches in the United States.

"This group is in no way anti-Israel, and we make it very clear we're committed to the security of Israel," said Ronald Sider, president of Evangelicals for Social Action, which often takes liberal positions on issues. "But we want a solution that is viable."

705 pat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:12:26pm

So O'Reilly wants to turn America into some kind Saudi look-a-like hell hole? Why. Why doesn't he explain what other freedoms need to be eliminated?

706 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:12:27pm

re: #692 raizel

but why did that student do that?

Don't you think he really shouldn't have done it because it is a bad thing to do, whether muslims like it or not? BTW this is the first I've heard of it.


Maybe he had enough...or just lost is temper...that is not the point...the charges are to hard...fine him...make him serve a little jail time...NOT PRISON...

707 NhaTrang72  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:12:32pm
Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds

Oliver Wendell Holmes (I think)

Your quotation is missing a word, Francisco

708 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:12:35pm

re: #497 FrogMarch

also:

Nose Pin Zonere: #585 Cattt

EWWW !

709 irish rose  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:12:45pm

re: #391 Sodra Djavul

re: #357 Shiplord Kirel

Sorry, gang, we can't go around burning piles of books as a protest, not Korans, not even the works of Chomsky. It pains me to even see it suggested. Piles of moonbats and terror-shills; fine, light 'em up; but piles of books, no way.

I find this position indefensible. On the one hand, if you associate book-burning with Nazism, there are clearly many, many other cases throughout history of the same case. Do you honestly think when Athens was razed to the ground they spared the libraries?

On the other hand, if you associate a book itself as some hallowed collection of knowledge, you are supporting the very position Islamists and those who would advocate no separation of church and state.

The demonization of book burning itself is ridiculous. No one is removing an original manuscript from circulation. It's an inanimate object, no different from burning a log or a bra.

It's the political act of voicing disapproval, nothing more.

/My $.02

I agree.

As long as we continue to demonstrate to Islamic fundamentalists that we have "sacred sensibilities" that we refuse to surrender even for the purpose of symbolic protest (an aversion to burning ANY book for ANY reason, for example) they will continue to exploit those sensibilities and push their agenda down our throats.

As I stated in one of yesterdays' threads, the American justice system is polluted and so is our educational system. Neither is capable of winning this conflict for Western civilization. We can talk reason, diplomacy, and law until we are blue in the face. The effect that this will have on the global jihad is nil... like pouring water into a bottomless bucket.

Far too few Americans have what it really takes to win this conflict I think... a willingness to temporarily discard our "sacred modern Western sensibilities", get down and dirty, and meet the 7th century jihadists on their own ideological turf.

Do you really think that the CAIR activists and jihadists who are reading this thread (of course they are), are bothered by milquetoast lawsuits, peaceful protests with placards, etc.? What they are CLEARLY affected by - and motivated to rage over - is public humiliation and mockery of their backward mysogenistic violent ideology. This is the most effective weapon that we here in the West have in our aresenal, and we should not hesitate to use it.

Our soldiers are far from home in Iraq and Afghanistan, doing their part in the physical war against terrorism. It's long past time for those of us still here at home to leave the comfort of the ideological green zone.

This is war, not a Sunday School picnic.

710 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:13:02pm

re: #695 Born Again Republican

re: #647 kiwiviv

I agree with the majority of you that O'Reilly was on the wrong side of this one...But he had Michelle Malkin to cover the right side and did a great job!
No points for that?


Yes...but at least he is TALKING about this story - AND...he has Michelle to wipe up his mess. No other news folks even carry the story - except O'Reilly and Hannity and Coombs -

THAT is my point - they are talking about it, and their shows cove BOTH sides -

711 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:13:09pm
712 Thanos  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:13:13pm

I've been in and out tonight, sorry if I missed a reply, thread's too long to go back on now. No offense intended if I did, dropping this off, be back in a bit.

Libya faces criticism as head of UN anti-racism committee
Updated at 0655 PST
GENEVA: Libya is set to take charge of a UN anti-racism committee in a move condemned by human rights groups who say the north African country's rights record disqualifies it from the post.
Libya takes over on the heels of torture allegations put forward by foreign medics recently released from the country who said they were forced into admitting they infected hundreds of children with the AIDS virus.

The 20-nation United Nations committee will be tasked with preparing a new international conference against racism for 2009.

The new conference will evaluate steps taken since the last conference on racism, xenophobia and intolerance held in Durban, South Africa in 2001.

Initial meetings of the Libya-led commission will occur between August 27 and 31 in Geneva, with two other gatherings to be held later this year and in 2008.

Members chose Libya by consensus to head the group in June. Armenia had sought the post but pulled out at the last minute. Antoine Madelin of the International Federation of Human Rights Leagues said Libya's nomination was "not good news".

"Libya is not known for its respect for human rights, including respect for conventions against racism," Madelin said. "There is persecution of black minorities who come to work in Libya."

Global rights group Amnesty International in its 2007 report accused Libya of ill treatment of foreigners.

"Foreigners arrested on suspicion of being irregular migrants reportedly often suffered abuse in detention, such as beatings, and were collectively deported without access to a lawyer or an assessment of their individual cases," it said.

713 Sodra Djavul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:13:49pm

re: #679 Logan

re: #663 Sodra Djavul

re: #670 code red 21

While I agree with most of what you are saying,
I don't think you ought to lump Glenn Beck into that pile.

Beck's been extremely valiant in his realistic, un-PC examination of what's fueling the global jihad (rhymes with fislam) and devoted a great deal of time to the issue.

I never said anything about Glen Beck. No gripes with him, personally.

O'Reilly is clearly wrong on this one.. O'Reilly? As Ace Ventura would say, "O'Reeeaaallly?"

714 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:13:51pm
715 swamprat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:13:53pm

re: #655 Killgore Trout

the Thurberesque jollity
...That's a bit obscure, now. How many have read Thurber? That's going back aways.

716 pat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:13:54pm

I don't own a Koran. Damn.

717 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:14:08pm

re: #609 Roger

#477 NiceLass

When a Muslim says they will accept a Christian even if they do not say the Shahada but just say "Jesus was just a messenger of allah", do you know why?

No, I can't say I do...should I?

718 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:14:11pm

re: #703 NiceLass

re: #667 storagemanager



I posted legal protest yesterday...was shot down...by you.

Do you mean, relying on the congress and judicial system to do the right thing, maybe writing a few letters, phone calls to senators, that kind of legal "protest?" Because I don't think that's going to be very effective. Or what kind of legal protest did you post about that I shot down?

I know what you want...and you know what you want...GAZE.

719 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:14:18pm

WOW Charles...

I've never seen you post so much.

Yet I so agree with you. Bill is a lost cause.

720 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:14:42pm

re: #654 storagemanager

re: #645 FrogMarch

Also remember, O'Reilly hates blogs.
(cuz he's such an ego-maniac)


He names left wing blogs...the right ...stay nameless...funny.

I find it curious as well. I think it's because he's an ego-maniac.

721 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:15:10pm

Judith (#697),

Which has me wondering...has Ed ever said anything about being drunk in Winnipeg?

Not that I know of. But knowing Ed, ...

722 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:15:21pm

re: #699 Odinist

She is more like the snot-nosed kid who keeps threatening to eat an earth worm. 'cept she claims it will win a spiritual war.

723 carefulnow  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:15:31pm

re: #719 Dustoff-507
It's not really Charles.
No globular clusters.

724 Francisco D'Anconia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:15:31pm

re: #702 Ginn

re: #690 Francisco D'Anconia

dont recall sinead o'connor being charged with a hate crime after tearing up picture of the pope and saying he was the real enemy.

It wasn't a book. Nor was it a cartoon of Mo.


Captain obvious strikes again. You can however make a better argument that Sinead was calling for violence against Catholics (especially being Irish), than you can that this guy was intimidating or calling for violence against muslims.

725 formercorpsman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:15:41pm

I admit up front, I did not catch the show, and caught only some of the comments.

Some have tried to make this a moral equivalence issue with respect to piss christ, etc.

Some glaring discrepancies between the two,

piss christ, IIR, was actually funded by tax payer dollars via NEA, and Andres Serrano was awarded grant money for this work, I think the realistic argument for separation of Church and State exists here.

As well, although it was 1989, I don't recall any legal incursion involved, or hate crime if you will, albeit, this was not en vogue.

If this fellow exercised poor judgment, and actually stole the koran, then he is guilty of the crime for theft.

The very essence of what we as a nation with constitutional freedoms are up against, is that while we might get angry about things like piss christ, we have elected leaders who we complain to, voice our objection, or support, and handle our issues with the original intent of our founding fathers.

I don't think they ever envisioned, a day where elected eaders preached from a house of worship, (as opposed to the the house or the senate) advocating physical harm, and the destruction of property as an answer, and thwarting of one of the branches of government they enacted.

726 Wishing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:15:47pm

re: #704 ciaospirit

There is no winning for Israel, damned at every turn by *supposed* friends. I am so sick of these SUPPOSED *christians*. They dont deserve that name, and they certainly do not live it.

727 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:15:51pm

#721 Geepers


LOL... don't ask!

728 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:16:31pm

re: #723 carefulnow

LOL, YEAH... sure!

729 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:16:32pm

Gee, I feel safer now.

Ellison is part of Iraq trip arranged by Defense chief

The Minneapolis congressman, the first Muslim in Congress, hoped to help build bridges to the Middle East.

By Jake Sherman, Star Tribune

WASHINGTON - Rep. Keith Ellison, a rising figure in U.S. public diplomacy in the Mideast, made his first trip to Iraq over the weekend at the behest of Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

Ellison, a first-term Minneapolis Democrat and a longtime critic of the war, is part of an all-freshman bipartisan congressional delegation traveling to the region at Gates' invitation. Ellison plans to stop in Germany this morning and hopes to meet with wounded soldiers there.

730 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:16:43pm

re: #621 storagemanager

Yes, let's lay off Charles.

And anyway he's not hitting the delete button on this solidarity dunking.

731 Sodra Djavul  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:16:52pm

re: #704 ciaospirit

First Bill going awol, now a bunch of Christians are jumping ship. Notice it's really not about doing what's right, but doing what's "viable."


They said that being a friend to Jews and to Israel "does not mean withholding criticism when it is warranted." The letter added, "Both Israelis and Palestinians have committed violence and injustice against each other."

The letter was signed by 34 evangelical leaders, many of whom lead denominations, Christian charities, ministry organizations, seminaries and universities.

They include Gary Benedict, president of The Christian and Missionary Alliance, a denomination of 2,000 churches; Richard Mouw, president of Fuller Theological Seminary; Gordon MacDonald, chairman of World Relief; Richard Stearns, president of World Vision; David Neff, editor of Christianity Today; and Berten Waggoner, national director and president of The Vineyard USA, an association of 630 churches in the United States.

"This group is in no way anti-Israel, and we make it very clear we're committed to the security of Israel," said Ronald Sider, president of Evangelicals for Social Action, which often takes liberal positions on issues. "But we want a solution that is viable."

I said it in my very first posting here, while I'm not that religious, and NEVER attend services, the greatest religious friend of Israel in the United States are Southern Evangelicals.

/DUCKS

732 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:16:57pm

re: #699 Odinist

re: #656 NiceLass

You're not such a 'NiceLass', are you? If you want to flush a Qur'an, go ahead, but I doubt many Lizards would follow your lead...

/At least I hope so...

In case you missed my last 100 posts, just me flushing a Koran wouldn't do much in the way of getting America to wake up, I don't think an organized protest would have to include flushing or burning, and, last but not least, if you have any better suggestions, please post them.

btw, define "nice" ; )

733 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:17:00pm

I know this is OT and a real shocker but.
Sudan's government says the Jooows are fueling the conflict in Darfur.
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

734 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:17:02pm

# 719 Dustoff -

I agree O'Reilly is wrong this time...but I totally disagree that he is a lost cause.

If he could read the Hitchens article Charles posted...and if he could listen to Michelle a little longer...I think he would be able to see our point.

He generally has been against CAIR and the flying Imams etc.

735 stevieray  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:17:18pm

re: #709 irish rose

That was both true and inspiring. Thank you.

736 irish rose  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:17:53pm

re: #699 Odinist

re: #656 NiceLass

You're not such a 'NiceLass', are you? If you want to flush a Qur'an, go ahead, but I doubt many Lizards would follow your lead...

/At least I hope so...

This lizard would.

737 code red 21  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:17:59pm

#679 Logan

I've listened to Glenn on his radio show and on his evening TV show. While you are correct in stating his view of what is fueling global jihad he is still one of the talk show hosts who has said many, many times that Islam has been hijacked by a few radicals. The minute I hear him or anyone else make that statement is when I turn them off. You either recognize the elephant for what it is or keep dancing the dance of death to the tune of the ROP.

738 pat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:18:00pm

Screw it. I say we boycott O'Reilly.

739 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:18:01pm
740 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:19:01pm

re: #678 Mich-again

My elevator fart comment seemed popular. maybe I'll make it.

741 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:19:42pm

re: #696 Wishing

Got me. I thought that that was a crime myself. Who gets to monitor
that? Do they draw lots for the "ladies" ?

742 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:19:47pm

Roger (#722),

Aptly put.

743 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:20:13pm

re: #734 kiwiviv


Maybe... but they last few years, he's been all over the place?
I use to really like him, but the last year (what the heck is going on)

Yes he has a huge EGO!

744 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:20:29pm

re: #711 Iron Fist

Now I want to here him call it "hate speech" and call for serious hard time the next time a [bigoted word] burns a US Flag. Or tries to sue someone for reporting them burning a flag as incitement.

I want to hear that, too.

745 stevieray  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:20:37pm

re: #737 code red 21

Me too. He gets really "kumbaya" at times.

746 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:20:43pm

Okay.
So what did you guys figure out back in 03'
Was that a photoshop or what?

/ducks behind sandbags...

747 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:21:09pm

The word (HATE SPEED) is so damn wrong.

748 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:21:12pm

re: #717 NiceLass

Absolutely. You should open the koran and understand what it really is if you are really serious about fighting the spiritual war. Right now you are too unsafe to stand beside in a battle. Do a comparative study and know what it is all about. Know what the inscriptions on the Dome of the Rock are all about. You want to fight? Learn your weapons first.

749 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:21:25pm

speach...oops

750 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:21:31pm

re: #718 storagemanager


I know what you want...and you know what you want...GAZE.


I understand what you are saying, but aside from us going around filing lawsuits for every Islamic "hate crime" we can find, what else would do any good? And unfortunately we don't have CAIR/Saudi Arabia to bankroll such a scheme for us.

751 tangonine  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:21:34pm

Coming in late in the thread. Bottom line: dropping a book in a water container isn't a crime. If it is we're back in the 6th century.

I'd be surprised except mankind is excpetionally stupid and tends to repead thousands-year-old-mistakes quite a bit.

752 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:21:40pm

damn...

753 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:22:01pm

Well, decorating a Koran with a chocolate log in this fashion should be a crime. because it plugs the toilet, and somebody has to clean it up. Same as dropping a dookie on TIME magazine. No matter how the Koran or TIME might be aesthetically improved with some decoration du deaux, clogging a toilet is a breach of peace/vandalism type misdemeanor.


Felony? Get a grip.


BTW, they are calling the sheared sub-tropical system already past Bermuda Tropical Depression #3L. But Tropical Disturbance 99L, near 50° W, and what will probably be Tropical Disturbance 90L, around 30° W, have much more potential as far as hitting Florida. I think Florida is everyone's pre-season Hurricane #1, with Louisiana/Mississippi/Alabama a distant #2.

754 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:22:01pm
755 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:22:20pm

O'reilly did go after Sami Al Arian when no one else would. Here he was one of the first anti jihadists in the media. But again, now at this time he is unable to say it's ok to flush a Koran down the toilet. He has viewers in the Middle East. It's best to take the easy quiet way out in his case.

756 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:22:32pm

re: #748 Roger


OK Rogewr... tell us the good parts... please

757 MES41067  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:22:51pm

Bill is a self serving ass hat.

758 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:23:21pm

re: #743 Dustoff-507

re: #734 kiwiviv


Maybe... but they last few years, he's been all over the place?
I use to really like him, but the last year (what the heck is going on)

Yes he has a huge EGO!

Yes...he might have a huge ego...but so do tons of leaders I really like - it seems almost impossible to really lead strongly, and really believe in your cause without having a huge ego -

Don't give up on him because of the ego -

759 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:24:01pm

re: #722 Roger

re: #699 Odinist

She is more like the snot-nosed kid who keeps threatening to eat an earth worm. 'cept she claims it will win a spiritual war.

Very unkind. But that's okay. I can handle a few minor league insults from the likes of you.

760 Odinist  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:24:08pm

re: #732 NiceLass

re: #699 Odinist

In case you missed my last 100 posts, just me flushing a Koran wouldn't do much in the way of getting America to wake up, I don't think an organized protest would have to include flushing or burning, and, last but not least, if you have any better suggestions, please post them.

btw, define "nice" ; )

Why be disrespectful in the first place, was more my question... America will not wake up until the 'last minute', this is repeated time and time again throughout our history... Dunking a certain book in a toilet will only piss off more and more 'moderate' Muslims, driving them closer to Jihad... Is this what you really want?

761 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:24:14pm

re: #697 Judith

re: #677 Geepers

Too much Fort Garry beer. Which has me wondering...has Ed ever said anything about being drunk in Winnipeg?

Never been drunk in Anglophone Canada, but I did partake of a few beers with a top Canadian federal worker, Miss Trixie on Saturday. But nowhere near The Great White North.

762 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:24:21pm

re: #748 Roger


The spiritual war will be fought by nice people and bad people. Blood on the hands is going to happen. The person standing next to you might have a different method but can be just as effective.

763 formercorpsman  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:24:22pm

re: #737 code red 21

#679 Logan

I've listened to Glenn on his radio show and on his evening TV show. While you are correct in stating his view of what is fueling global jihad he is still one of the talk show hosts who has said many, many times that Islam has been hijacked by a few radicals. The minute I hear him or anyone else make that statement is when I turn them off. You either recognize the elephant for what it is or keep dancing the dance of death to the tune of the ROP.

You said it all in those three words.

764 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:24:31pm

re: #758 kiwiviv


Sorry , but after the woman thing... I 've been holding my breath.

765 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:24:48pm

re: #643 Roger

I've read it, and it's a hoot. Will Yair answer e-mails..?

766 LaMano  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:24:52pm

Uh oh ... LGF soon to be labeled a HATE website. Just like the Freepers.

767 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:25:05pm

re: #754 song_and_dance_man

That's it, I'm throwing The No Spin Zone book in the toilet.

That was good...me too...oh wait...the mother 'n' law loves him...oh well...I'll just watch you.

768 Odinist  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:25:14pm

re: #736 irish rose

Way to go # 4 million...

/

769 the_flying_pig  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:25:33pm

Charles, Bill O'Reilly is FUBAR.

770 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:25:33pm

re: #748 Roger


Absolutely. You should open the koran and understand what it really is if you are really serious about fighting the spiritual war.


I suppose there's no chance of you just answering simply for all to see?

771 Ginn  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:25:34pm

re: #724 Francisco D'Anconia

re: #702 Ginn

re: #690 Francisco D'Anconia
dont recall sinead o'connor being charged with a hate crime after tearing up picture of the pope and saying he was the real enemy.
It wasn't a book. Nor was it a cartoon of Mo.

Captain obvious strikes again. You can however make a better argument that Sinead was calling for violence against Catholics (especially being Irish), than you can that this guy was intimidating or calling for violence against muslims.

I agree. I think we could find numerous, numerous times where there were much egregious incidents that the Koran dunkings. What have we come to when someone can be sentenced to four years of hard time for putting a book in a toilet. And yes, it is ... a book.

Put me on that jury. The attorneys can argue all they want that it is Koran but I would never imprison someone for putting any kind of book be it a Bible, a Koran, a Playboy.

772 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:25:40pm

re: #692 raizel

but why did that student do that?

It doesn't matter why. That is getting into thought crimes.

Don't you think he really
shouldn't have done it because it is a bad thing to do, whether muslims
like it or not? BTW this is the first I've heard of it.

There are many things that are "bad things" that still ought not to be illegal. Rude and insulting is not illegal.

773 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:25:49pm

re: #709 irish rose

Far too few Americans have what it really takes to win this conflict I think... a willingness to temporarily discard our "sacred modern Western sensibilities", get down and dirty, and meet the 7th century jihadists on their own ideological turf.


Well said. As a student of history, it defies reason that this conflict will be solved by peaceful means, but we must try - that is what separates us from them. When the time comes though, we will have to do unsavory things in order to survive.

"Violence isn't always evil. What's evil is the infatuation with violence."

774 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:26:00pm

re: #755 hazzyday

O'reilly did go after Sami Al Arian when no one else would. Here he was one of the first anti jihadists in the media. But again, now at this time he is unable to say it's ok to flush a Koran down the toilet. He has viewers in the Middle East. It's best to take the easy quiet way out in his case.

There are MANY things he goes after that are not just "soft" targets. I don't think he came out wrong on this one because of Middle East viewers - I just think he hasn't thought it through properly. You watch - I think he will change course on this one.

775 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:26:12pm

If a Religious group believes that some physical object to be "Holy", thats their prerogative. But if anyone can buy one at the mall, it can't really be a "Holy" object and no one has a gripe if any non-believers don't treat the mas-produced object as Holy.

But true, if he stole the book he is guilty of a crime. Just as if he had stolen any other book.

776 irish rose  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:26:16pm

re: #759 NiceLass

re: #722 Roger

re: #699 Odinist

She is more like the snot-nosed kid who keeps threatening to eat an earth worm. 'cept she claims it will win a spiritual war.

Very unkind. But that's okay. I can handle a few minor league insults from the likes of you.

Jesus loves you, Roger... but I think you're a self serving little f*.
Suggest you get over yourself.

777 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:26:34pm

re: #764 Dustoff-507

re: #758 kiwiviv


Sorry , but after the woman thing... I 've been holding my breath.

Sorry...what woman thing?

778 code red 21[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:26:34pm
779 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:26:45pm

re: #753 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

When is a hurricane gonna hit New Orleans? Ohio needs the rain !

780 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:26:46pm

re: #753 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Mermphus is 15" low on rain. What are you doing about THAT?!

781 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:27:21pm

re: #760 Odinist

... Dunking a certain book in a toilet will only piss off more and more 'moderate' Muslims, driving them closer to Jihad... Is this what you really want?


Are you saying we should not do any kind of organized protest, even without dunking a Koran, because it will piss off Muslims?

782 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:27:29pm

re: #762 hazzyday

Some of what you say is true. But there are many who are down-right dangerous. Lack discipline and training.

783 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:27:54pm
784 shiplord kirel  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:28:13pm

re: #391 Sodra Djavul

I am against book-burning, but I have no problem with torching some strawmen:

re: #357 Shiplord Kirel


Sorry, gang, we can't go around burning piles of books as a protest, not Korans, not even the works of Chomsky. It pains me to even see it suggested. Piles of moonbats and terror-shills; fine, light 'em up; but piles of books, no way.


I find this position indefensible. On the one hand, if you associate book-burning with Nazism, there are clearly many, many other cases throughout history of the same case. Do you honestly think when Athens was razed to the ground they spared the libraries?

Where would you get the idea that I think this practice is exclusive to Nazis? Nevertheless, that is by far the strongest association in the public awareness today, and a public protest is nothing if not an effort to reach and influence that awareness.

On the other hand, if you associate a book itself as some hallowed collection of knowledge, you are supporting the very position Islamists and those who would advocate no separation of church and state.

It is dishonest to assert this as the only alternative to your first bogus point. I am neither ignorant of history, nor do I believe in the sanctity of books in a religious sense. How would that be possible? If one superstition's written creed is sacrosanct, as many adherents of superstition assert, how could the conflicting creed of a competing superstition also be sacrosanct? Your allegation about my beliefs is nonsense, gibberish.

The demonization of book burning itself is ridiculous.

Yeah, we have your word for that, it must be true. Book-burning was a bad idea in Alexandria, it was a bad idea in the Third Reich, and it was a bad idea when a nutbag church torched some Harry Potter books a few years ago.

No one is removing an original manuscript from circulation.

Is that the test for these kinds of protests? Who decided?

It's an inanimate object, no different from burning a log or a bra.

Did someone suggest otherwise? Bras have been burned in protest, but logs? Who knew? The object itself is not my focus. The perception of an act that is meant to be perceived, a protest demonstration, is the reason for my objection.

It's the political act of voicing disapproval, nothing more.

Who is ignorant of history now? It is much, much more than that as a public protest, and you know it. Such a display could not advance our cause in any way. Try a mass burning of Korans and see what it gets us. Let the totalitarians burn books.

/My $.02

You get what you pay for.

OTOH, your Boston Koran party may have merit. It is NOT the same as a bonfire in the context of its intended purpose. Protest is a method of communication, it doesn't work unless you speak the same language as the audience. A pile of burning books means "Storm-trooper" in the visual language of our culture. I didn't invent that, it simply is. Tossing the Korans in the bay, or a handy river, may be similarly destructive in literal fact but it does not have the same cultural definition. It would emulate the alleged hate-crime at Pace, but with a subtext that recalls Patriots rather than Nazis and Maoist goon squads.

785 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:28:24pm

re: #770 NiceLass

re: #748 Roger


Absolutely. You should open the koran and understand what it really is if you are really serious about fighting the spiritual war.

I suppose there's no chance of you just answering simply for all to see?


Do you want to know?...I have books you should read and links.

786 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:28:40pm

hous bin pharteen (#746),

So I assume your getting the reference in regards to this thread?

787 Jim in Virginia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:29:04pm

re: #753 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

And it's miserably hot and humid in DC. Fix that too, will ya?

788 LaMano  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:29:43pm

Why doesn't double-S just call it performance art?

Case closed.

789 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:29:53pm

re: #777 kiwiviv


He was making (let's say VERY un-gentleman comments to another woman)
and when caught. He had ZERO to say.
That just doesn't sit well with me. (guilty)

790 hous bin pharteen  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:30:02pm

#786 Geepers

Well yeah. I am catching the drift.

I played left drift in high school.

791 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:30:18pm

re: #765 cbinflux

Still posts with a new nic. See Charles' first comment and what is in single quotes.

792 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:30:25pm

#764 Dustoff-507

What woman thing?

793 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:30:39pm

re: #782 Roger


ROGER... quit with the kid games. SPIT it out... tell me some good please...Or can it.

794 arcatan  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:31:06pm

The important question is: "Why doesn't O'Reilly get it?"

Because he can't see rallying his lucrative audience around the cause of an angry Jew with a name that sounds like Russian mafia. This is not an obvious cause UNLESS YOU BELIEVE IN THE PRINCIPLE OF FREE SPEECH.

Does O'Reilly really believe in the importance of free speech? I don't think so, if he did this issue would be an obvious rallying point ... especially with the victim being an angry Jew with a Russian mafia sounding name.

We are all incensed over this because we do hold this principle dear ... suffering the insult of legal flag burning, as well as the endless stream of vitriol against our culture. Our tolerance and patience is made meaningless in light of such hypocrisy.

...

I'm watching the show now ... Malkin opened with the reference to free speech and O'Reilly just doesn't get it.

795 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:31:15pm

re: #697 Judith

Said something about some kids of his up that way... one of them might be Garry.

796 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:31:35pm

I don't need to read books to know that Islamist's are bad. I can see the rotten fruit dropping off the Islamist trees. What I could use are three pertinent questions I could ask Muslims and non-muslims where they stand in their hearts.

E.G. Do you support Israel's existence? I can't think of two more.

797 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:31:48pm

re: #792 kiwiviv

He made telphone calls to a woamns and use very sexual words in it. She said she had recorded it and Bill never fought back.

798 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:32:07pm

Sorry WOMAN

799 Odinist  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:32:30pm

re: #781 NiceLass

Heh, when did I say that?

Protests are well and good, but they will gain more credence if the protesters are at least half-way sane... Dunking a book in a toilet, doesn't qualify, IMO...

Speaking out for women's rights or gay rights might be a good start...

800 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:33:04pm

re: #789 Dustoff-507

re: #777 kiwiviv


He was making (let's say VERY un-gentleman comments to another woman)
and when caught. He had ZERO to say.
That just doesn't sit well with me. (guilty)


OK - I agree -

But...He's not perfect - poor guy!
He's got serious flaws - so do I!
He is sometimes wrong - so are we all!

How are you going to choose your heroes when everyone is so flawed.

I say - he's still a million miles better than the rest of 'em!

801 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:33:15pm

re: #778 code red 21

The Minneapolis congressman, the first Muslim in Congress, hoped to help build bridges to the Middle East.

Funny how Ellison wants to build bridges and Osama bin Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are both civil engineers.

802 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:34:40pm

re: #800 kiwiviv


Yes I under stand that one.. He's very big on protecting children and I'm grateful for that.

803 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:35:31pm

No answer...I thought so.

804 LaMano  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:36:05pm

re: #784 shiplord kirel

Book burning contributes to global warming. That, alone, must be good for 6 months in the slammer.

805 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:36:14pm

re: #803 storagemanager


You mean from ROGER?

806 Catttt  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:36:19pm

re: #604 Geepers

hous bin pharteen (#588),

God's Sombrero

You have to read the comments.

One of the funniest threads in the history of the universe, imho.

807 Odinist  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:37:03pm

re: #796 hazzyday

Israel should exist as long as it's people are willing to fight for it... The same goes for any other country, IMO...

808 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:37:06pm

re: #805 Dustoff-507

re: #803 storagemanager


You mean from ROGER?


No

809 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:37:12pm

re: #797 Dustoff-507

re: #792 kiwiviv

He made telphone calls to a woamns and use very sexual words in it. She said she had recorded it and Bill never fought back.

Correction: he fought it, bluffed and blustered, then settled.

810 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:37:40pm

Dustoff -

Whew! We agree on something!

Hey listen - I don't want us to be like those crazy left-wing sites - you have to agree on EVERYTHING they say no matter how extreme.

I don;t sgree with everything Bill says - nor Hannity - nor Bush - nor Rush - nor Newt - (pick your guy)

But I sure like them all waaay more than a single democrat.

So...I'm not going to boycott or write hate stuff about them - I want to cheer them on for the MAJORITY of what they stand for!

811 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:38:15pm

Is it just me, or is there a confusing argument going on?

812 LaMano  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:38:32pm

It's tough being a Mets fan.

813 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:39:08pm

re: #809 cbinflux

re: #797 Dustoff-507


re: #792 kiwiviv

He made telphone calls to a woamns and use very sexual words in it. She said she had recorded it and Bill never fought back.


Correction: he fought it, bluffed and blustered, then settled.


Very true, but in the end...He had no real answer.
I have ZERO respect for any man, most of all married who pull that game.

814 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:39:27pm

re: #809 cbinflux

re: #797 Dustoff-507

re: #792 kiwiviv

He made telphone calls to a woamns and use very sexual words in it. She said she had recorded it and Bill never fought back.

Correction: he fought it, bluffed and blustered, then settled.


Even if he was completely guilty - I still stand with him because there will be a fight in the near future when you will have him on your side - all the way

815 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:39:45pm

Sorry, storagemanager, my laptop battery died. Here is the post you're looking for:

re: #785 storagemanager

Do you want to know?...I have books you should read and links.


How about storagemanager condensed version? Just say what you have to say. I'm somewhat familiar with the Koran, but not in particular why Christians are acceptable to Muslims, except that they are said to be people of the book. That was the original question Roger asked about.

816 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:39:48pm

re: #805 Dustoff-507


No, I'm reading comments. What you ask is for a simple quick blurb. It doesn't work as a quick blurb and you must study more than I can put in a few paragraphs. Also it is hard when I do not know the foundation of your understanding and concepts you have. Where to start.

817 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:40:18pm

It is hard to fight Islam...if you don't know Islam...leave the the fight and go home.

818 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:40:32pm

MOLLOHAN CAST VOTES DESPITE RECUSAL:

Despite having recused himself from matters relating to the FBI — which is reportedly investigating his finances — Rep. Alan Mollohan (D-W.Va.) on Wednesday voted against an amendment that would have increased the bureau’s budget by $6 million.

Republicans say Mollohan’s vote proves his recusal is a sham — and claim the amendment was intended to draw him out. Democrats defended Mollohan, saying he had not participated in discussions about the agencies that are reportedly investigating him, though no one from his office or the Appropriations Committee would go on the record for this article. . . .

It has been widely reported that Mollohan sent a letter to the Appropriations Committee recusing himself from matters involving the Justice Department, a decision that was hailed by watchdog groups such as Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

But according to the committee, Mollohan’s recusal applies only to four accounts within Justice: the Office of the Attorney General, the U.S. attorneys, the FBI and the Justice Department’s Criminal Division. Neither Mollohan’s office nor the Appropriations Committee would provide a copy of the recusal letter, and Republicans claimed they have never seen it.

819 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:41:12pm

re: #810 kiwiviv


LOL, not a problem... Just don't watch him much anymore.

If you going to stand on a tower and shout, and darn sure your supports are sturdy!

820 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:41:28pm

re: #814 kiwiviv

re: #809 cbinflux

re: #797 Dustoff-507
re: #792 kiwivivHe made telphone calls to a woamns and use very sexual words in it. She said she had recorded it and Bill never fought back.
Correction: he fought it, bluffed and blustered, then settled.

Even if he was completely guilty - I still stand with him because there will be a fight in the near future when you will have him on your side - all the way

I don;t like that kind of stuff either...but we can only hope that he dealt with it between God - he and his wife -

Not all of these things have to be dealt with in front of the entire world.

821 legalpad  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:41:31pm

re: #704 ciaospirit

A bunch of Christians are jumping ship

This isn't actually so new. All of my Episcopalian/Baptist relatives have been pro-Palestinian going way back.

822 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:41:35pm

re: #788 LaMano

Why doesn't double-S just call it performance art?

Case closed.

I've been wonderin' about his intent.

823 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:43:16pm

re: #816 Roger


Well Roger... I look at it like this. They treat their women like dogs or less.
It's their way or no-way. Not working for me, if it does you. Be my guess.

824 Geepers  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:43:53pm

Odinist (#799),

Heh, when did I say that?

We're starting to get into LGF Prayer territory.

Which I've just noticed isn't at the bottom of the page anymore. Maybe we need to bring it back? Charles?

825 cbinflux  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:44:13pm

re: #811 cbinflux

Is it just me, or is are there a confusing argument arguments going on?

...and the usual 'battlefied' pedantry.

826 LaMano  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:44:23pm

re: #822 Krampus

Just another struggling artist looking for attention...He got it.

That's my story and I'm stickin to it!

827 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:44:54pm

re: #820 kiwiviv


OK this is ME... if you lie to your wife/love one.
WHY IN HELL should I ever trust what you say or do. 0-:

828 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:45:00pm

re: #815 NiceLass

Sorry, storagemanager, my laptop battery died. Here is the post you're looking for:

re: #785 storagemanager


Do you want to know?...I have books you should read and links.

How about storagemanager condensed version? Just say what you have to say. I'm somewhat familiar with the Koran, but not in particular why Christians are acceptable to Muslims, except that they are said to be people of the book. That was the original question Roger asked about.

Muslims think Christians have been lied to ...by Jews...that Islam is the one true way...they took the Torah from the Jews and Jesus from the Christians...and the moon god sin...and Mohammad made a Harry Potter book...but this one kills.

829 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:45:19pm

re: #825 cbinflux

Yeh that looks better.

830 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:45:20pm

I really believe that O'Reilly wants to do the right thing, but I think he's just too damn biased and stupid to figure the whole thing out.

But hey, better to have a blind psuedo-righty commentator than a blind muslim cleric terrorist.

Right?

831 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:46:32pm

re: #830 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I really believe that O'Reilly wants to do the right thing, but I think he's just too damn biased and stupid to figure the whole thing out.

But hey, better to have a blind psuedo-righty commentator than a blind muslim cleric terrorist.

Right?


YA-got me buddy... LOL

832 LaMano  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:46:45pm

re: #823 Dustoff-507

They treat their women like dogs or less.

I say 'less'. Ever seen a dog in a burqa. And dogs run around NEEKKKEED, for Pete's sake.

833 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:46:54pm

re: #828 storagemanager

re: #815 NiceLass


Sorry, storagemanager, my laptop battery died. Here is the post you're looking for:

re: #785 storagemanager


Do you want to know?...I have books you should read and links.

How about storagemanager condensed version? Just say what you have to say. I'm somewhat familiar with the Koran, but not in particular why Christians are acceptable to Muslims, except that they are said to be people of the book. That was the original question Roger asked about.

Muslims think Christians have been lied to ...by Jews...that Islam is the one true way...they took the Torah from the Jews and Jesus from the Christians...and the moon god sin...and Mohammad made a Harry Potter book...but this one kills.

Islam is the God of harran...sin...Nothing new under the Sun.

834 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:47:33pm

re: #817 storagemanager

It is hard to fight Islam...if you don't know Islam...leave the the fight and go home.

So, next you'll say if we don't know Arabic, we can't know the Koran, I suppose. I've heard that before, too.

835 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:47:34pm

re: #832 LaMano


Ahhh yep. But I wanted to be nice. My mistake

836 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:47:42pm

re: #815 NiceLass

Christians (who follow the teachings of Jesus and consider Him the Son of G-d) are not accepted by Muslims. The koran gives the disciples of Jesus as prime examples of unbelievers in allah because they dared to believe in Jesus as the Son of G-d. But if Muslims can get a Christian to say that Jesus was just a messenger of allah they win; get exactly what they want. Check the inscriptions on the Dome of the Rock.

837 swamprat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:47:47pm

re: #739 taxfreekiller

Think of an ambush for C.A.I.R. etal and some loud mad mullas.

Some way to get them out on a limb with the loon liberal Democratic
Pres. candidates there with them over loading the 1/2 sawed limb we
put them on, have them squawking of the hate when they buzzsaw the limb off behind themselves.

do the thinking thing and could be off the blog
then later talk the misdirection here in the open
to set it up, ambush's are the best fun there is

got to go and work on the "fraud case" of the
flip loans we are on to, one of them closed and
funded the 23rd and now we know which lender
fell for the deal and or is part of it, a $300,000 property, this bunch
faked a $690,000 loan on the deal and its funded
and one of the law firms legal assistants must have
known it was a perp walk for her so she ratted the
deal out and ran from the state the 20th, for me
the best part is the crooked atty is a "immigration"
atty and does other fraud part time,,, FBI time.



Don't need to ambush nothing. Their leaders are a retired klansman, a ...well , kennedy, ...harry, the screamer reid, ...the women are certifiable, but hillary less so. Still her faults are known.
dems;talking 2 different ways about saddam , on record...no major black cabinet players. ...Historically, voted against civil war.They talk up the minorities, but mostly let them down, or shackle them (welfare,etc)
elephants; for freedom . freed iraqis. still fighting for their freedom. We got condi, powell. Our females are strong AND sane. We don't venerate klan members. Voted for black freedom in 1865 and we're fighting for freedom today.
ambush? ...there is enough info already. A lot of so-called muslim leaders with terror ties have publicly supported dems, INCLUDING OSAMA B L!...the info is on public record. we don't have to "do" anything. just wait, (not too soon, maybe three mo's before vote, maybe less) before info is released,,,
Tried to match your stream-of-conscience style

838 Odinist  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:47:48pm

re: #824 Geepers

Noted, but I find GAZE distasteful... and a little bit dishonorable...

But, that's just me...

839 legalpad  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:47:50pm

re: #760 Odinist

Dunking a certain book in a toilet will only piss off more and more 'moderate' Muslims,

People beside Muslims get pissed off. Some of them are way past giving a shit about Muslim "anger", moderate or not, or begging them to "oh please, don't get mad at us". F*ck them.

840 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:48:21pm

re: #827 Dustoff-507

re: #820 kiwiviv


OK this is ME... if you lie to your wife/love one.
WHY IN HELL should I ever trust what you say or do. 0-:

You have a serious point -

But...this is not an unforgivable sin - I am hoping he has seen this flaw in his character and has changed. I really believe that it is possible to repent from that kind of stuff and grow from it. Sure - he deserves to be watched and for the change to be proven, but I, for one, will give him that time.

841 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:48:57pm

re: #834 NiceLassI tried...you are a... Gaze... my last post...have a nice stay here.

842 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:50:40pm

re: #799 Odinist


Speaking out for women's rights or gay rights might be a good start...

It might be a good start for some, but this issue before us is CAIR and their ability to bankroll lawsuits against Americans for Koran desecration.

What kind of a protest do you think would work best to address the present situation?

843 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:50:47pm

re: #840 kiwiviv


I understand. works for me, but Bill has a long way to go. As we have seen tonight. )-:

844 Wishing  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:52:05pm

Really funny vid, from Angel on previous thread

JEEEHAD!

845 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:52:09pm

#843 Dustoff-507

We agree - then.

:-)

846 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:52:39pm

re: #823 Dustoff-507

re: #816 Roger


Well Roger... I look at it like this. They treat their women like dogs or less.
It's their way or no-way. Not working for me, if it does you. Be my guess.

What?

847 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:53:02pm

re: #836 Roger

re: #815 NiceLass

Christians (who follow the teachings of Jesus and consider Him the Son of G-d) are not accepted by Muslims. The koran gives the disciples of Jesus as prime examples of unbelievers in allah because they dared to believe in Jesus as the Son of G-d. But if Muslims can get a Christian to say that Jesus was just a messenger of allah they win; get exactly what they want. Check the inscriptions on the Dome of the Rock.

Okay, fine. Thanks for sharing.

848 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:53:15pm

re: #845 kiwiviv


Good night all. I work tomorrow and who knows what the people on my city will throw at me. (-:

849 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:54:09pm

re: #848 Dustoff-507

re: #845 kiwiviv


Good night all. I work tomorrow and who knows what the people on my city will throw at me. (-:


Goodnight - hopefully they will be throwing Korans...in the fire - not at you!

850 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:54:12pm
851 LaMano  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:54:13pm

You rarely see Geraldo and BO in the same shot when there both sitting at the desk. I expect their heads are so big they just can't make them fit.

852 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:54:43pm
re: #836 Roger

pearls with swine ring a bell?

853 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:55:04pm

re: #849 kiwiviv

NOT a FIRE please... I'm a fire fighter / medic... LOL wrong words!

854 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:56:03pm

Here's the deal. Stealing the book was a crime. Dunking it wasn't. The law can not recognize holy. Simple.

855 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:56:09pm

re: #853 Dustoff-507

re: #849 kiwiviv

NOT a FIRE please... I'm a fire fighter / medic... LOL wrong words!

Well...it would give you something to do...as you are not watching Bill any more!

:-)

856 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:57:34pm

re: #828 storagemanager

Muslims think Christians have been lied to ...by Jews...that Islam is the one true way...they took the Torah from the Jews and Jesus from the Christians...and the moon god sin...and Mohammad made a Harry Potter book...but this one kills.

And...?

How about some Koran trivia, has anyone ever counted how many times the Koran says the words "painful doom?"

857 kiwiviv  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:58:11pm

Dustoff - God bless you for your great work - have a good night mate!

858 Naso Tang  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:58:16pm

Coming in late at 850+. Who's gonna notice? Anyway what I said in the earlier thread and no doubt said above somewhere:

Can I also be arrested if I admit to flushing a bible, or using pages of it for the unmentionable? Only some religions can be "hated", or perhaps I should just say "dissed"?

859 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:58:38pm

re: #538 song_and_dance_man

Long before he did Trash TV, he was a movie reviewer (a good one) here in Dallas-Fort Worth, at WFAA, the ABC affiliate.

860 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 8:59:36pm

re: #855 kiwiviv


OK you,,, pulling my cord are you? LOL

I watch very little TV period. Reading is what I love

861 easy  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:00:05pm

I'm going to bed before I lose any more points. Don't burn anything I wouldn't.

862 Dustoff-507  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:00:19pm

re: #857 kiwiviv


Thank you ( MATE) (-:

863 NiceLass  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:00:42pm

re: #852 storagemanager

re: #836 Roger

pearls with swine ring a bell?

storagemanager, how are these petty insults of yours helping the situation? If there's some knowledge of the Koran you feel you are privvy to, and want to share, and think it will be beneficial, please do so.

864 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:00:43pm

re: #858 Naso Tang

>25% cotton doesn't work well for the unmentionable!

/Comparisons to the Bible always amuses me.

865 storagemanager  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:01:56pm

I am done with this thread...moving on.

866 Krampus  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:01:58pm

Gnite All, Canada luvs U S A !

867 Odinist  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:02:18pm

re: #839 legalpad

re: #839 legalpad

No kidding... Why don't we just kill'em all, eh?

/ F*** this, I'm outta here, goodnight, fellow Lizards...

868 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:02:33pm

re: #842 NiceLass


If some atheist were to go out and burn a stack of Korans and other religious lit in a big bonfire. I would consider that a statement.

869 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:04:25pm

re: #863 NiceLass That is not a petty insult from storagemanager. It is a quote from the Bible; Jesus to be exact.

870 legalpad  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:06:24pm

re: #867 Odinist

False dichotomy and a drive-by all in one. Is that the only way you can handle it? If we don't allow the unbridled anger of some group to rule our decisions, then this means we want to kill them? They make unjust demands, they claim the right to kill anyone they want for any or no reason, and if we don't like this, then we are the aggressors?

871 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:14:31pm

re: #238 yehoshua

True, but I posted this yesterday re Stanislav Shmulevich, the guy who threw 2 korans in the toilet; a different side of him.

872 aaron's rantblog  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:14:54pm

I wonder how much time B.O. would give me for these.

I've worn my "I Draw Mohammed Cartoons" cap to Solvang and around Los Angeles.

Barack Obama, Bill O'Reilly... both stink of B.O.

873 Ledger1  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:15:08pm

re: #25 Jeff_McAwesome

O'Reilly is a fool. I'm going to submerge several Qur'ans in the toilet as a sign of solidarity with this guy.

I agree with Charles that O’Reilly is wrong on this one.

I quit watching O'Reilly after the cBS episode. It’s clear he has been absorbed into the MSM. He is afraid to take any more heat from his handlers.

Although Charles doesn’t advocate that we dunk a Koran in the toilet, I really think it is our own right to do so.

Those who do so should not be ridiculed for exercising what is now a common form of free speech. These are extraordinary times that call for extraordinary action.

874 pat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:17:19pm

Charles is going for a thousand, isn't he?

875 Roger  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:19:42pm

re: #871 NY Nana

I think you should read what he is saying with a different sense. He may be saying you can truly criticize if you know.

876 screaming_eagle  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:23:00pm

re: #872 aaron's rantblog

"I Draw Mohammed Cartoons"
LMAO

877 Odinist  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:23:05pm

re: #870 legalpad

re: #867 Odinist

False dichotomy and a drive-by all in one. Is that the only way you can handle it? If we don't allow the unbridled anger of some group to rule our decisions, then this means we want to kill them? They make unjust demands, they claim the right to kill anyone they want for any or no reason, and if we don't like this, then we are the aggressors?

OK, I'll reply to that, before I retire for the evening...

Have you read my posts on this thread? Or are you doing a 'drive-by'?

Some of your prior posts have been most insightful, but in this case, I'll have to disagree...

Throwing a 'holy' book (no matter the religion) in a toilet is just wrong, plain and simple... But it should not be punishable by the government...

/This is my point...

878 legalpad  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:40:46pm

re: #877 Odinist

Odinist, I'll be happy to read anything you think I should. I don't always read every post on a thread, no. The times I have my comments are buried a hundred down by the time I reply. If you will look a my posts, especially the ones you have replied to, you will note that I am not recommending doing anything to any book. I fully grasp, however, why someone might want to do it. My only point was this concern about Muslims getting mad. I am just really sick of hearing about whether they might get mad. It just isn't that important whether or someone dunks their book. And I resent the thought control efforts where everyone has to make a statement as to whether or not it's wrong or intolerant. It is not near as important as them demanding that we crucify someone if they are offended. They need to cool it. That is what is important.

879 yesandno  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:41:05pm

Haven't read all the posts, but saw the program...

Biggest problem is that LIBERALs always believe that action leads to reaction... you are the center of the universe and almost God-like yourself, because everyone reacts to what you say or do...

You always incite and they react and it is your fault for inciting them. It is your fault that you said something non-PC and caused it all. No responsibility on the part of the "victim" to be more then just a victim. Think this was a tacky move, but then again, I am not a Jew who has been harassed by this crap for generations and decided to make a personal statement. He didn't kill anyone, touch anyone, scream at anyone.

Wonder how long they have been invading the personal privacy of individuals by filming what goes on in the bathroom stall just in case someone flushes. Same university would scream if you wanted to see if someone was taking drugs in the stall, or didn't wash their hands before returning to the book stack.

We keep assuming that bad manners is a crime when it is just bad manners.

880 acacia  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:41:37pm

re: #9 Charles

O'Reilly also stood up for Dan Rather, remember. This is far from the first time he's been on the wrong side.

O'Reilly is for O'Reilly period. He adopts views to be controversial. When things are to the left - as they normally are - he goes to the right. When they are swinging to the right - he swings left. His ideology is not definable. He acknowledges that and "spins" it as being independent. I see it as just being for O'Reilly. He's just another shouter on TV. Unfortunately, that's all there is to him.

881 NY Nana  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:50:47pm

re: #875 Roger

As a Jew? If this were my kid? Especially sinc he he was lucky enough to come here for a better life,from Russia, as a kid, where Jew hate abounded, grew up in NY, and must have seen 9/11 up close and personal? My husband and I would be mortified, and wonder where we went wrong.

I have Russian Jewish friends, and this hurts them more than me. Not the idea the he put 2 korans in the toilet over a period of time, but that he sees, apparently, the cult of islam as a good thing. Putting them in the toilet was an act of stupidity, but as kids, who among us didn't do something that they look back on, and feel like an idiot now?

I despise the cult of islam, but putting korans in the toilet, with a few days to think about it? Stupid and it will accomplish nothing.

I wonder when he will do the talk curcuit on TV? Can you see him on Larry King?/

882 Odinist  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 9:58:51pm

re: #878 legalpad

I am just really sick of hearing about whether they might get mad.

So am I...

BTW- sorry if I was a bit cranky, I see it as a respect issue, not an excuse for the silliness currently going on... I think we are really on the same side here, just coming from different viewpoints...

And with that, I bid you a good night, and agree to disagree on the matter, with no hard feelings on this side...

-Odinist

883 sheik yer'mami  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 10:13:20pm

O'Reilly is not kosher, never was.

He has a mouth on him, and on some issues he gets it right. But with Islam he is a coward, always was. Like so many others...

But Condi beats all, even her clueless boss:

"Disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States. We honor the sacred books of all the world's great religions. Disrespect for the Holy Koran is abhorrent to us all," Rice said in a statement she delivered before testifying in Congress May 12.

884 abolitionist  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 10:45:07pm

I hate hate.crime.and.special.victim.protection.status laws.

If I get into a physical altercation with someone, I reeeaaallly don't want to feel compelled to determine the answers to the following questions before proceeding with defending myself or my loved ones:

Are you gay?
Are you a moron?
Are you on drugs?
Are you effing insane?
Are you at least [age.of.majority.in.whatever.state] years old?
Are you pregnant?
Do you have aids?
Are you handicapped?
Are you a homeless person?
Are you a Federal emplyee?
Are you an ambassador?
Are you a saudi?
Are you transgendered?
Are you an illegal immigrant?
Are you a personal friend of Hillary?
Are you the mess...

Uh, no officer, I was not harassing this ma.. person.

885 pat  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 11:21:44pm

Hmmm
Another take.
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

886 sheik yer'mami  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 11:29:45pm

O'Reilly knows that Saudi prince Al Waleed pulls the strings at FOX, and he doesn't bit the hands that feeds him.

Knowing that, you know which way the wind blows...

887 wyattstorch  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 11:33:25pm

What hypocrisy! Do mystics like O'Reilly believe in Judgment Day or not? Obviously he believes that the Christian and Muslim god are the same guy.
Is O'Reilly's God so impotent that He needs the government's help to accomplish His retribution? How foolish is that?

Secular laws are not for the use of the religious. Keep religion out of government and vice versa.

888 ReverseTaqiyya  Mon, Jul 30, 2007 11:44:36pm

The Qu'ran is a book of hatred that inspires Muslims to fly planes into buildings, drive Jeeps into airports, behead little schoolgirls, blow up school children in school, become suicide bombers in nightclubs and pizzarias, commit acts of bestiality, rape women, beat women, set car bombs, blow up sub-ways, and murder Korean christians to name a few.

It is my hope that the Qu'ran itself goes on trial for the hate crime that it is and the hate crimes that it inspires worldwide, every day.

The Qu'ran belongs in the toilet because it is nothing more that demonic filth written from the drippings of the Devil's own penis.

/rant off

889 stuck-in-ca  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 1:14:50am

re: #57 storagemanager

Hannity follows what President Bush says about Islam... Charles...I think you are right.

you are way wrong on that one. Hannity has little tolerance for the "religion of peace". I listen to his radio show and he's on the right side of the Muslim issue.

890 ex cathedra  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 1:40:52am

4 years in jail, ha?

Dear Stalin! You must be proud now, wherever you are. You are dead, but your project is still alive and gaining momentum. You believed that people should be punished for thought crimes, and you sent them to GULAG. The world didn't understand you then. They censured and reviled you. This was because you were a man ahead of its times - a true visionary. Now, 50 years after your death, we finally reach the level of your avant-garde thinking and start sentencing people for thought crimes. Thank you for showing us, simple minds, the way.
/sarc

891 Mal' Rider  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 2:46:02am

I hesitated commenting on the DK v/ O'Reilly thread, because as much as I hate to admit it, I enjoyed seeing O'Reilly get his sponsors pulled - I simply can't stand to watch the man. Never have, never will. He's a populist showman who tries way too hard to come across as an even-minded, common-sense kind of guy who is just like the rest of mainstream America.

He's a fraud.

I watch Fox News fairly often, and if I could, there are two suggestions that I would humbly offer to them -

Get rid of the tabloid stories that dominates way too much of your news coverage, and replace Bill O'Reilly.

Just sayin'.

892 mean Gene  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 3:50:50am

Bill is another MSM who hates the blogosphere.
If bloggers seem to lean one way on an issue, Bill will find a reason to lean the other way.

893 mean Gene  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 3:59:07am

re: #871 NY Nana

To me, this sounds like he's hit upon the perfect defense...the other side is not God... they can never really get inside his head and "prove" hatred was there.
So he's sowing seeds of doubt about whether hatred was ever there.

Hate crimes are all about what was in your head at the time.
His room mate's comments show that we (the potential jury pool) have good reason to doubt that hate was there...ever.

894 The Duke  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 4:00:13am

I've read most of O'Reilly's Books , including his most recent publication "Culture Warrior "

There is a big difference in the Bill O'Rielly who speaks to us in Culture warrior, and the Bill O're illy we see everyday on the Factor .

Bill OReilly talks tough about the left , and admonishes himself as the Saviour of traditional America in his book, but I can't recount the times I have actually witnessed this man pandering to these same "Pinks" on his News program , As well as his radio program.

I think Mr. O'Reilly has found a warm comfortable place safely on the fence , and like a hunkering buzzard he's just waiting for the next road kill to venture his way .

Don't let that Road kill be the LGF forum ...

It's a shame that a man of his prominence and knowledge should be given to flip flopping because I think Bill is really afraid of pissing off the politically correct crowd .

He even admits that he made mistakes in the past on talking points , He allowed himself to be taken in and got caught out with Al Franken on a leftist talk show . What he never told us was the obvious reason : Money .

Don't kid yourselves about O'Reilly , he's in it for the cash ...and if even looking out for us pays well then he's gonna do it "ad hoc"

Yeah everyone knows Bill is a bully at times , but being a bully with the heart of a chicken can't gain anything in the world of diverse ideology we live in , it only causes the flip flop to be more pronounced and obtrusive as we sometimes witness in the case of Mr. OReilly

So Lizards , I think we can xpect that Bill O'Reilly will soon Attack this forum just as he attacked Kos of late , Kos will still remain the hateful extreme left (naturally because they are) , only in his dim view LGF will be newly tended as the hateful extreme right ( that will be an O'Reilly falsehood when it occurs ) , there are some of you who out there who probably do tend to lean a little to far to the Left or right ...but the scope of this forum is not about open bigotry or even racism or to promote anti Islam ...it's about the identification of right versus wrong , and about doing the right thing for America .

Is Mr O'Reilly infallible ?

Of course not , OReilly's mistakes are more noticeable than anyone Else's, especially over time ...

Let's not collectively make the stupid mistake of falling into OReilly's money making booby trap .

let's instead continue look at the scope of this great forum for what it really is , revealing the double dealings of a biased and crooked MSM , looking at and discussing the political quagmires of corrupt and totalitarian governments , and isolating and revealing the motives of the real intolerant to those around us .

We don't even need cash cows like Bill O'Reilly to do this .

We can do this without him , and preserve free speech , I think it's perfectly okay for some people to call Oreilly a nut job here , after all maybe he really is , you never can tell about those whacky people in Show biz.

Lmao

895 hooligan  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 4:15:50am

I saw the show. O'Reilly didn't defend his I-wanna-be-popular position very well, did he? I thought Michelle M made a lot more sense to the casual viewer.

That, and does anyone else get the impression that he is hitting on Kristin Powers every time she app