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Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 10:06:32 am PDT

Democratic House Majority Whip James Clyburn says that a positive report on the Iraq “surge” from General Petraeus would be “a problem for us.”

Not “good news for the country”— a “problem.”

Clyburn noted that Petraeus carries significant weight among the 47 members of the Blue Dog caucus in the House, a group of moderate to conservative Democrats. Without their support, he said, Democratic leaders would find it virtually impossible to pass legislation setting a timetable for withdrawal.

“I think there would be enough support in that group to want to stay the course and if the Republicans were to stay united as they have been, then it would be a problem for us,” Clyburn said.

(Hat tip: LGF readers.)

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1 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:07:14am

Since they are4 so invested in a US defeat.

2 Shug  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:07:15am

but don't question their patriotism

3 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:07:19am

Honesty from A Dim? I can't believe it!

4 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:07:47am

¡Tercero!

5 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:07:56am

It must suck to have to hope for bad news.

6 gruvin  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:08:06am

Gee, ya think?

7 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:08:11am

Yea, cause heaven forbid President Bush actually get historical credit for the success.

8 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:08:24am

re: #3 coquimbojoe

Honesty from A Dim? I can't believe it!


It slipped.

9 christheprofessor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:08:25am

To paraphrase Rush, if good news about the war is a problem for Democrats, what the hell is an American victory for them?

10 mythicknight  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:08:44am

re: #2 Shug

but don't question their patriotism

11 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:08:47am

re: #4 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

¡Tercero!

No I was 'tercero' and quinto, ya estoy octavo.

12 Know Your Enemy  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:08:48am

Oops--these aren't my talking points!

13 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:09:19am

re: #8 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #3 coquimbojoe

Honesty from A Dim? I can't believe it!


It slipped.

Dammit Ed, you were octavo.

14 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:09:38am

re: #12 Know Your Enemy

Oops--these aren't my talking points!


Damn you Carl Rove!

15 Shug  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:10:11am

quagmire interruptus

16 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:11:17am
“I think there would be enough support in that group to want to stay the course and if the Republicans were to stay united as they have been, then it would be a problem for us,” Clyburn said.

Follow this statement to it's logical conclusion and you have democrats supporting al-qaeda in Iraq.

17 mofo  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:11:30am

HEY CHARLES,

How bout a hat-tip to LGF reader Mofo-

[Link: www.crooksandliars.com...]

18 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:11:48am

And they wonder why they get called traitors...

19 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:11:58am

If your party views an American victory as bad news, you might be a communist.

20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:12:00am

They'll just ignore the facts. Its what they're best at anyways.

21 Fasternu426  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:12:17am

VICTORY AT ANY COST!
(over Republicans, that is)

Who put this damned baby in the bathwater?

22 Sizzlack  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:12:28am

FINALLY! Theyve admitted it! Its been obvious to all of us for so long, but now its out in the open. Good news for America in Iraq = Bad News for Democrats
so what does that mean kids?
The Democrats will do anything they can to scuttle positive progress in Iraq.
Wow...pretty mindblowing...can anyone say political hack?

23 Steffan  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:12:31am

Ya know, he could get in trouble for being that honest with the media. They're supposed to fib, fumble and dissemble, and not give The Enemy (us) such a good soundbite to beat them over the head with. :)

24 bill-tb  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:12:43am

If you wait long enough somehow the truth slips out. What kind of American is so invested in defeat of their own country in battle. Odd.

25 Egfrow  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:13:04am

When you bet against Free men you will loose.

26 Fasternu426  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:13:48am

My worry is that this comment won't get any traction.

27 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:14:20am

You mean the Democrats want us to lose like Vietnam?

The Democrats have painted themselves into a Vietnam quagmire corner.
oh no -- what if America actually... wins?

Poor Anti-American asshole Democrats.

How ironic.

28 Jack Reacher  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:14:36am

re: #15 Shug

quagmire interruptus


Giggity---ooohhh...

29 Rogue198  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:15:00am

So:

If - Good for America = Bad for Al Queda

and - Good for America = Bad for Democrats

Then- Democrats = Al Queda

Like the Twoofers say...follow the math ;)

30 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:15:08am

Good news! He's going to have a problem.

Petraeus has the Army humming. Take then hold is working.

A year ago walking without a bullet proof vest in Ramadi was suicide; today the place is safe.

There is work to be done but momentum has clearly shifted to our side. the enemy knows it and their one hope right now is the defeatist left. Bush will not quit.

The congressman's honesty is appreciated. Truth always leads to the best policy. The dems can turn to better fields to sow.

31 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:15:36am

re: #5 coquimbojoe

It must suck to have to hope for bad news.

It must suck to wake up everyday as a "progressive".

32 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:15:54am

re: #26 Fasternu426

My worry is that this comment won't get any traction.

'Course not...the "esteemed, Grand Poobah" will either say he "mispoke" or he will "clarify" his statement and the fifth estate will lap it up like the dogs they are.

33 christheprofessor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:16:12am

re: #26 Fasternu426

My worry is that this comment won't get any traction.

Rush was slamming it a bit ago (hence my #9 above)...

34 Sizzlack  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:16:18am

So this is a pretty clear case that the Dems have severe severe BDS. Winning isnt important...the important thing is making Bush look as bad as possible. And good news from Iraq would obviously do the opposite. I cannot believe this is the point we've come to in this country. How do these people call themselves Americans...oh yea I forgot, they arent against the troops just the war. And somehow to them, losing is more important than winning...ok we're now in the Twilight Zone.

35 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:16:23am
36 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:16:34am

re: #11 coquimbojoe

re: #4 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet


%uFFFDTercero!


No I was 'tercero' and quinto, ya estoy octavo.


It takes time to align to the center, bold, italicize and type the ¡

I know I can't do first anymore, but I do my best for the other prime numbers.

37 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:16:43am
Not “good news for the country”— a “problem.”

A breath of fresh air from the democrats. I love their honesty. Now they can explain themselves to the country:

Please Senator, can you tell our viewers why you think our country should be defeated in Iraq?

Love it.

38 Blastforth  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:16:48am

A recent poll showed that Americans have a high degree of confidence in the military, especially compared with congress. Damn right they have a problem -- pandering to their base instead of protecting the nation.

39 christheprofessor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:16:55am

re: #28 Jack Reacher

Oh, that's funny! Good one...

40 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:16:58am

re: #26 Fasternu426


Laura Ingrahm was all over this one.

41 bosforus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:17:08am

There are two quotes from that article where Clyburn reveals the democratic problem. I think the more telling quote is when he says:

Many Democrats have anticipated that, at best, Petraeus and U.S. ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker would present a mixed analysis of the success of the current troop surge strategy, given continued violence in Baghdad. But of late there have been signs that the commander of U.S. forces might be preparing something more generally positive. Clyburn said that would be "a real big problem for us."

42 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:17:23am

Ron Paulism: Moral and Intellectual Confusion

43 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:18:13am

Can someone tell me again why the trials for treason haven't started?

44 bluegrass boy  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:18:33am

i wish these panty wastes would get on board and help us win this damn war,...i dont care who gets the credit...lets take care of the problem...then we can sit around and argue minimum wage, same sex marriage, or what ever else floats their boats...

45 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:18:51am

re: #36 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #11 coquimbojoe


re: #4 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

©Tercero!


No I was 'tercero' and quinto, ya estoy octavo.

It takes time to align to the center, bold, italicize and type the ¡

I know I can't do first anymore, but I do my best for the other prime numbers.


Each iteration of quote screws the ¡ up more and more. Fascinating...

46 Sizzlack  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:19:02am

You would think the Dems would welcome good news...because the quicker its wrapped up over there the quicker they can accomplish their sole goal of the past 3 years "redeployment". But obviously redeployment isnt the issue...the issue is losing. Wow.

47 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:19:29am

Where are the Kennedy/Truman/Scoop Jackson democrats who love America, believe that democracy is America's gift to humanity, and will help spread this message of liberty?

48 Osama Bin Porkchop  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:20:32am

Party before country...

how sad, but yet so expected...

49 Black George Bush  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:20:45am

Rush just finished talking about this. Gone viral?

50 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:20:48am

It would be a problem for the Democrats in Congress. It would be great for the US if the good news continues to flow from Iraq.

Therefore, with the continuing good news from Iraq, if you're a Democrat you have to engage in Escher/Mobius contortions to stay ahead of the changing tide.

The Democrats have predicated their entire Congressional efforts on cut and run. They've followed the Murtha wing of the party into a quagmire of recriminations and empty threats, which has only enraged the far left of the party because it shows their impotence. That, in turn, gets them frothing at the mouth even more and gets the likes of Sheehan to come out and demand impeachment or else she'd run against Speaker Pelosi.

Trying to defund a war that we're looking like we're able to win is a losing proposition for the Democrats, which is why they're changing strategies - instead of going after Bush on Iraq, they're trying for the low hanging fruit of other Administration officials - AG Gonzales - claiming that they've lied or withheld information, etc., because they simply have no where else to turn.

They can't lead on the issue of Iraq since they've been leading towards defeat and retreat and the facts do not warrant such a position.

What this also does is put people like Obama and the other anti-war candidates in a bind going into 2008. Hillary can stand by her support of the war and use it as a club against the others who have either flipped on the issue, or were against the war - showing that she knew that holding the course was the right decision (yes, I know she's flipped as well, but she can pull this off better than the other Democrats).

Still, all this does is show that the Democrats cannot lead on the issue of national security since they continue to put politics ahead of national security.

51 Sizzlack  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:20:54am

re: #47 Golem Akbar

Where are the Kennedy/Truman/Scoop Jackson democrats who love America, believe that democracy is America's gift to humanity, and will help spread this message of liberty?

thats only their message when they are the ones to spread it...but if someone from the opposing party does it...well...partisanship first...reality second.

52 Haole  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:21:13am

[Deleted]

/Janitor

53 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:21:22am

They care about Iraqi civilians.

Really.

They do.

54 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:21:28am

re: #23 Steffan

More likely some reporter will be in trouble for repeating it.

55 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:21:50am

re: #47 Golem Akbar

Where are the Kennedy/Truman/Scoop Jackson democrats who love America, believe that democracy is America's gift to humanity, and will help spread this message of liberty?

I have to give you bad news...you know...the Tooth Fairy...

Oh well, I can't do it.

He will understand by himself, in due time...

56 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:22:15am

No surprise here. Let's give James Clyburn an A+ for honesty - might be the first time I've been able to say that about a Dim in oh, 40 years. Of course, I would like to have his citizen revoked too. But at least he's an honest, albeit stupid loon.

Whatever happened to Sam Nunn or Zell Miller types?

57 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:22:25am

So what do comments like these, and I assume there will probably be more, spell for the rats in 08?

58 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:22:28am

re: #45 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #36 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #11 coquimbojoe


re: #4 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet


©Tercero!


No I was 'tercero' and quinto, ya estoy octavo.


It takes time to align to the center, bold, italicize and type the %uFFFDI know I can't do first anymore, but I do my best for the other prime numbers.


Each iteration of quote screws the ¡ up more and more. Fascinating...

Lets see how far it will go...

59 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:22:32am

Dead American Soldiers are good for Dems.

Dead Iraqis are good for Dems.

60 bulwrk  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:23:09am

Treason:NOUN: 1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

61 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:23:10am

Oh, and one more thing. All these folks on the Left who keep frothing and demanding impeachment and investigations ignore the fact that Bush isn't running in 2008.

Most people know this - and as the 2008 elections move closer, that will hit home. Trying to run against Bush may sound great now, but he's not in the field. Heck, you've got GOPers who were running against aspects of the Bush Administration. It's real easy to run against a guy who is prohibited against running for President.

It's far more difficult in coming up with a coherent foreign policy that maintains national security and takes into account the fact that al Qaeda continues to pose a threat and that AQ considers Iraq to be a main battlefield for the fight.

62 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:23:30am

I guess "us" wants to lose. I all know is that if my father had felt like that in WW 1 when he served in the submarine corps, and my mother had felt like that when she was a nurse in WW 2 playing "mash" right behind the front lines, he would be speaking german instead of english. I guess all that matters is "us" not the country these days.

Hooray for "us". And screw the US. Nice attitude guy.

63 Just Another Four-letter Word  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:23:41am

re: #9 christheprofessor

To paraphrase Rush, if good news about the war is a problem for Democrats, what the hell is an American victory for them?


A pure, unmitigated DISASTER!
JAFLW
/Here's to the Dem's disaster!

64 bosforus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:23:53am

re: #49 Black George Bush

I heard it about 2 1/2 hours ago on Laura Ingraham. I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't go viral because, hey, who's surprised by this?

65 christheprofessor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:23:53am

re: #59 Ben Hur

Dead American Soldiers are good for Dems.

Dead Iraqis are good for Dems.

And dead jihadis are bad for Dems...

66 jcm  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:24:00am

We have met he enemy, and he is us.

67 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:24:21am
68 christheprofessor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:24:28am

re: #63 Just Another Four-letter Word

I'll drink to that... (clink!)

69 naughtius  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:24:29am

Y'all missed the best part of the article!

"Clyburn noted that while overall approval ratings of Congress are low, people still rate Democrats higher than Republicans. "People feel good about the Democratic Party, they just don't feel real good about the Congress itself."

People like us, but they think we're doing a sh*tty job! Bwaaahahahaa!

70 Know Your Enemy  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:24:43am

re: #58 coquimbojoe

re: #45 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet


re: #36 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #11 coquimbojoe

re: #4 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

©Tercero!


No I was 'tercero' and quinto, ya estoy octavo.

It takes time to align to the center, bold, italicize and type the ©I know I can't do first anymore, but I do my best for the other prime numbers.

Each iteration of quote screws the ¡ up more and more. Fascinating...

Lets see how far it will go...

I wish it were in English so I could know what the hell this is all about.

71 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:25:05am

re: #61 lawhawk

Oh, and one more thing. All these folks on the Left who keep frothing and demanding impeachment and investigations ignore the fact that Bush isn't running in 2008.

Most people know this - and as the 2008 elections move closer, that will hit home. Trying to run against Bush may sound great now, but he's not in the field. Heck, you've got GOPers who were running against aspects of the Bush Administration. It's real easy to run against a guy who is prohibited against running for President.

It's far more difficult in coming up with a coherent foreign policy that maintains national security and takes into account the fact that al Qaeda continues to pose a threat and that AQ considers Iraq to be a main battlefield for the fight.

This is why I am not impressed with the current crop of hopefuls. They're like eunichs.

72 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:25:12am

Democrat policy re: Iraq.

73 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:25:33am

re: #55 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #47 Golem Akbar


Where are the Kennedy/Truman/Scoop Jackson democrats who love America, believe that democracy is America's gift to humanity, and will help spread this message of liberty?

I have to give you bad news...you know...the Tooth Fairy...

Oh well, I can't do it.

He will understand by himself, in due time...

I know. It was a rhetorical question. Lieberman is practically alone in the Democratic Party. I know there are others, however, like him, and that's what may be scaring the lefty dems a whole bunch. If they show support for the war, then the other dems (left-ards) may not be able to take power. Our good news is bad for them.

74 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:25:55am

re: #47 Golem Akbar

But, but, but that is what Bush is being accused of doing. Can't agree with that guy, he is not one of "us". In fact we want to impeach him for that if we are of sufficient nutroot tendencies.

75 christheprofessor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:26:26am

re: #62 Shr_Nfr

Hooray for "us". And screw the US. Nice attitude guy.

For Dems, there is no us in US...

76 Jack Reacher  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:27:10am
...if the Republicans were to stay united...

Stranger things have happened. Not much stranger, mind you.

77 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:27:11am

re: #75 christheprofessor

re: #62 Shr_Nfr


Hooray for "us". And screw the US. Nice attitude guy.

For Dems, there is no us in US...


That's right..the US is the bad guy in all this...how dare we try to spread democracy!

78 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:27:47am

Of course they've forgotten the commuter train.

79 Capitolist_Tool64  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:28:25am

Can I call them traitors now?

80 lefty201  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:28:31am

I wonder what the Kos kidies are thinking?


"man, my birkenstocks are dirty...maybe I need a bath? gotta make more peace signs...maybe I need a bath? Democrats are starting to sell out...when was the last time I had a bath? Starbucks coupons...I thnk I need a bath, starting to smell like poutchouli. gotta read KOs...I stink."

Idoiots

81 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:29:19am

re: #74 Shr_Nfr

re: #47 Golem Akbar

But, but, but that is what Bush is being accused of doing. Can't agree with that guy, he is not one of "us". In fact we want to impeach him for that if we are of sufficient nutroot tendencies.

The impeach Bush movement is losing steam as the primaries get closer. The dems will have nothing to show for their mouth-foaming as they go into elections. Except for their foot-dragging on important issues.

82 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:29:26am

re: #80 lefty201

Idoiots = Idiots I take it?

83 christheprofessor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:29:27am

re: #77 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

That's right..the US is the bad guy in all this...how dare we try to spread democracy!

Yup. It is scary that we have a political party and a media that so clearly and obviously want to undermine their own nation and the idea of human liberty.

84 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:30:08am

The quagmire could become a quagmire.

85 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:30:16am

re: #83 christheprofessor

re: #77 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


That's right..the US is the bad guy in all this...how dare we try to spread democracy!

Yup. It is scary that we have a political party and a media that so clearly and obviously want to undermine their own nation and the idea of human liberty.

It's almost enough to make me believe in some of the more creative conspirace theories out there.

86 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:30:18am

Can we back up a sec?
These are elected representatives of US citizens.
These citizens want us to loose over there. If not, the pols would not be pushing this.
Their constituents want our troops home.
More and more I am having less and less a problem with that.
Let these citizens who are invested in our defeat fight this war.
And if they don't want to fight it, fine. Then they will become willing victims of it. When they get sick of it and want to fight back, they can sign up and fight. Then maybe the rest of us can give a crap and join them.
If they don't want to fight back, fine also. Then there numbers will dwindle and we will have less of these fools in congress. Then the rest of us can get back to fighting back.

/food for thought.

87 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:30:36am

NATO: Train attack 'unfortunate' but unavoidable

The pilot was using a remotely targeted missile he fired from several miles away, said Gen. Wesley Clark, NATO's supreme commander in Europe. He spoke to reporters in Brussels on Tuesday, the 21st day of the NATO air war against Yugoslavia.

Clark said the pilot was steering the missile from the cockpit of his plane when, "all of a sudden, at the very last instant, he caught a flash of movement."

At that point the pilot could not steer the bomb away from the train, he said. "It was locked, it was going to the target and it was an unfortunate incident we all regret," Clark said.

The pilot fired a second missile in an attempt to hit the opposite end of the bridge, Clark said. But by "an uncanny accident," the train had slid forward, moved across the bridge and ended up in the missile's path.

"In both cases there was an effort made to avoid collateral damage," Clark said. "We're sorry for it, because we are doing our absolute best to avoid collateral damage."

Clark showed reporters a videotape of the attack, in which the train darts into view on the bridge barely a second before the missile's impact.

Milisav Paic, a Yugoslav Foreign Ministry official in Belgrade, called Monday's deaths "a war crime done against innocent civilians."

88 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:30:48am

PIMF

conspirace = conspiracy

89 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:31:04am

re: #84 Killgore Trout

Cut and run from cut and run?

90 Sizzlack  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:31:08am

re: #67 buzzsawmonkey

you forgot

10. Hands across America and a giant Koombayya singalong.

91 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:31:08am

re: #84 Killgore Trout

The quagmire could become a quagmire.

It's pronounced quahg-mahr. [Teddy-speak]

92 NinoBrown79  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:31:27am

Remember Harry Reid right after the 2500th death in Iraq giving this quote "Yesterday, Democrats offered an amendment to express the sense of the Senate that Iraq not grant amnesty to terrorists who kill our troops as part of their reconciliation plan. Our amendment came in response to reports that the Iraqi Prime Minister was in favor of such a proposal. "
One thing comes to my mind after hearing this quote by the Democrat whip... Now that the Democrats have pretty much admitted that the failure of the terrorists militarily in defeating the US military is bad for their party should Harry Reid ask President Bush for amnesty himself?

93 Darwin Akbar  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:31:33am

OT: has this been posted yet (from Hot Air)?

"UK Muslims Seethe About Pork in the Air" (not a satire):

[Link: hotair.com...]

94 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:32:00am

If that was today, in Afgansistan, it wouldn't be "NATO" forces, it would be US forces.

95 jcm  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:32:11am

re: #73 Golem Akbar

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

This much we pledge—and more.

John F. Kennedy
Inaugural Address
Friday, January 20, 1961

In his book, which came out this week, Kengor focuses on a KGB letter written at the height of the Cold War that shows that Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) offered to assist Soviet leaders in formulating a public relations strategy to counter President Reagan's foreign policy and to complicate his re-election efforts.

Specifically, Kennedy proposed that Andropov make a direct appeal to the American people in a series of television interviews that would be organized in August and September of 1983, according to the letter.

"Tunney told his contacts that Kennedy was very troubled about the decline in U.S -Soviet relations under Reagan," Kengor said. "But Kennedy attributed this decline to Reagan, not to the Soviets. In one of the most striking parts of this letter, Kennedy is said to be very impressed with Andropov and other Soviet leaders."

In Kennedy's view, the main reason for the antagonism between the United States and the Soviet Union in the 1980s was Reagan's unwillingness to yield on plans to deploy middle-range nuclear missiles in Western Europe, the KGB chief wrote in his letter.

"Kennedy was afraid that Reagan was leading the world into a nuclear war," Kengor said. "He hoped to counter Reagan's polices, and by extension hurt his re-election prospects."

As a prelude to the public relations strategy Kennedy hoped to facilitate on behalf of the Soviets, Kengor said, the Massachusetts senator had also proposed meeting with Andropov in Moscow -- to discuss the challenges associated with disarmament.

In his appeal, Kennedy indicated he would like to have Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.) accompany him on such a trip. The two senators had worked together on nuclear freeze proposals.

Paul Kengor
"The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism."

The left has long since turned to treason.

96 looking closely  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:32:23am

Extremely short-sighted, at best.

Forgetting for the moment, the defeatism, and even borderline treasonous tones of this Representative's comments, this guy is just wrong. The fact is the Democrats *BEST* hope of winning more seats is an unequivocal Iraqi VICTORY, not a loss.

If Iraq is restored to some state of "normalcy" (that being a highly relative term in Iraq, or even the Middle East), then the Democrats can legitimately start campaigning on a platform of more butter, less guns.

The sooner that happens, the better for the Democrats politically.

What the Democrats SAY they want (ie a complete pullout from Iraq) would actually be a nightmare for them. A destabilized Iraq would embolden Iran, pump up regional troubles, and become a hornet's nest for Islamists. Sooner or later (and probably sooner) the USA would have to intervene again. . the Dems would be tossed out.

97 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:32:46am

#34 sizzlack

So this is a pretty clear case that the Dems have severe severe BDS.

Blaming there actions on BDS is a BIG mistake.
You think things will change when Bush leaves?
This is in the democrats DNA.
It is who they are.
Who is president is not relevant.

98 MarkX  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:32:56am

re: #15 Shug

quagmire interruptus

LOL, I gotta remember that.

99 Carol Herman  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:33:04am

Off to the side, the republican senator, Stevens, is on the ropes. And, if the GOP is smart, they'll let the house cleaning award go to the senators that kick the bum the hell out!

As to the Blue Dogs, all they got for winning last November, is that they arrived in congress, and their win was swiped!

Instapundit, today, has a wonderfull piece up, as well, from Michael Yon.

I don't think Patraeus is gonna truck any nonsense.

And, Guiliani is now very strong on a number of issues. Including Irak. AND, with Ted Olsen on board, including with the Conservatives, who need wooing in the months, ahead.

I guess the bigger question is: HOW DIVIDED IS OUR COUNTRY?

In the past, Donkeys benefitted when the White House got a republican president. And, this could be something they're trying out? So that they don't lose the tiny 2% majority in congress.

That's ALL the Bonkeys need! 2%! If they lose this margin, they're gonna be out there with candidates no one wants to "buy."

As to trying to sail, in, in 2008, as "Blue Dogs?" They've got problems!

The Bonkeys also have problems with Hillary and B. Hussein Obama. In other words? Is America really ready to shift politically in a direction where the elites have gone; but it seems the MAINSTREAM is not interested.

We all stay tuned. In order to find out.

100 Catttt  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:33:50am

As somewhat of a blue "dog" (I prefer blue cat) myself, I sincerely hope the other blue "dog" Dems prick up their ears, get the old hackles up, and growl at this.

I almost switched to Independent a couple of weeks ago when I renewed my driver's license, but the clerk talked me out of it, because in Maryland, you can't vote in primaries then. This way, I can vote in the Dem primary. Since my parents trained me to believe that it is one's civic duty to vote in every election, it would annoy me not to be able to vote in the primaries.

101 looking closely  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:33:55am

re: #86 hous bin pharteen

You don't let alcoholics drive the bus to teach them a lesson.

102 christheprofessor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:34:03am

re: #85 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

That's right..the US is the bad guy in all this...how dare we try to spread democracy!

Well, I believe it's no accident that universities, teachers unions, and those who control education are primarily leftist. Indoctrination, not education, is the name of the game.

Hell, John Edwards said the other day that he knew Vietnamese who had been subjected to re-education camps (after the fall of Saigon) who were better off because of it! And this is a US presidential hopeful?!

103 Scooterzz  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:34:13am

I wouldn't break out the champagne just yet. Don't forget, all it will take to reverse the current tide of hopeful reports about the Petraeus strategy succeeding will be some rump-spectacular kaboom over there. A fancy mosque blown up, a bigshot like Sistani assassinated, a school bombed ... and Harry Reid will be right back in front of the cameras, dishonestly asserting, "If this is 'success,' I'd hate to see defeat."

The problem is that, increasingly, Americans have come to define "success" in Iraq as one thing: Our Troops Can Finally Come Home. As my wife put it some time ago, "You know, I signed on for the disarming Iraq and toppling Saddam part - I'm not so sure I was fully on board with the whole 'make Iraq into Canada-on-the-Euphrates' part - especially if I'd have suspected it was going to take ten years and kill 7,500 Americans."

That's the real, unstated, underlying problem: Americans don't think there's anything in Iraq worth the lives of ten American soldiers. Or that there ever was.

104 Sizzlack  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:34:27am

re: #67 buzzsawmonkey

and I completely and utterly agree with you and everything you said
and its scary as sh*t
because whether or not the dems win at all electoral levels...it wont change the reality on the ground in say...
Iraq
Afghanistan
Iran
Pakistan (waziristan)
Lebanon
Syria
the list could go on...but oh wait...like you said...Healthcare for all and the optimal earth temperature

what good is fixing global warming if we're all killed in a global nuclear war? unless you want to make sure the cockroaches have a nice comfortable temp

105 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:35:27am

JEREMY SCAHILL: On April 12th you targeted a passenger train, and then you showed a video that was sped up at three time the speed. Why?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: I think -- first of all, the passenger train was not targeted. The pilot's instructions were to go after a bridge, and not the train. He felt, as he launched that missile, that all of a sudden at the very last minute, the train suddenly came into his field of view. I showed the tape. I did not know that the tape was accelerated. I don't think it was three times. I think it was one-and-a-half times. Whatever it was, it was going faster than the actual speed. It made it look like it was --

JEREMY SCAHILL: But as the Supreme Allied Commander, you are ultimately responsible for all of the information that came out.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: That's true. I was.

JEREMY SCAHILL: What the actual in real-time speed showed is that the pilot actually moved the target so that it would hit the train.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Well, I don't have that information.

JEREMY SCAHILL: 12 people were killed, including an orthodox priest.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: That's terrible. But, I don't have the information. When I looked at it, we didn't see that. All of the material was sent to The Hague and they did not see that either.

JEREMY SCAHILL: Do you think you owe the people of Serbia who died in that war an apology?

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: No, I don't because I did my duty as the commander for NATO and for the United States. I think Slobodan Milosevic owes the people of Serbia an apology, because we acted to prevent regional destabilization, and to be honest, when you take the kinds of actions that he has done, he was the proximate cause. All we tried to do was head off the ethnic cleansing through diplomacy, and basically, he had a plan to go to war, no matter what.

106 NinoBrown79  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:35:40am

Oh here is another little gem by Harry Reid on June 16th 2006
"To me, the administration does not act like there's a war going on. The Congress certainly doesn't act like there's a war going on. If you're raising money to keep the majority, if you're thinking about gay marriage, if you're doing all this other peripheral stuff, what does that say to the guy who's about ready to drive over a land mine?"


Mr. President, our troops are more than just numbers, and they deserve a better debate. "

Hahahhahahahahahhahah makes me laugh when you consider the actions they have taken since becoming the majority and John Edwards War on Terrorism is just a bumper sticker comments.

107 coquimbojoe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:35:41am

Shhh...Charles is on the radio!

108 carbon footprint  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:35:41am

So it shall remain..

109 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:36:14am

Charles is on Prager right now.

110 Catttt  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:37:00am

re: #93 Darwin Akbar

OT: has this been posted yet (from Hot Air)?

"UK Muslims Seethe About Pork in the Air" (not a satire):

[Link: hotair.com...]

Well, you know - pork happens.

111 Bill Amos  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:37:13am

Well I guess they are afraid we might be winning. Mighty mouth Murtha is now speaking out saying dont believe good news because I know things in Iraq are getting worse.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

112 easy  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:38:18am

They don't have BDS as much as PMS (Power Mad Syndrome).

113 Rogue198  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:38:30am

re: #109 Golem Akbar

too bad Prager isn't in my area...I'll just have to settle for Rush ;)

114 Dave the.....  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:38:33am
Off to the side, the republican senator, Stevens, is on the ropes. And, if the GOP is smart, they'll let the house cleaning award go to the senators that kick the bum the hell out!

Republicans need to kick out the dead weight...but do it in the primary, not loss in the general election. Anyone who is in Congress to profit, needs to go. I have no tolerance for Republicans who do bad things.

115 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:38:54am

re: #102 christheprofessor

re: #85 The Pulchritudinous Patriot


That's right..the US is the bad guy in all this...how dare we try to spread democracy!

Well, I believe it's no accident that universities, teachers unions, and those who control education are primarily leftist. Indoctrination, not education, is the name of the game.

Hell, John Edwards said the other day that he knew Vietnamese who had been subjected to re-education camps (after the fall of Saigon) who were better off because of it! And this is a US presidential hopeful?!

Exactly...Those in power have no love for those they have power over. They never have and never will.

116 bosforus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:39:25am

re: #80 lefty201

I wonder what the Kos kidies are thinking?


"man, my birkenstocks are dirty...maybe I need a bath? gotta make more peace signs...maybe I need a bath? Democrats are starting to sell out...when was the last time I had a bath? Starbucks coupons...I thnk I need a bath, starting to smell like poutchouli. gotta read KOs...I stink."

Idoiots

i think they're all too busy digging through O'Reilly's trash can these days to even notice. and don't forget they're pretty open about their ultimate goal being to get democrats elected at all costs so they're probably in the same boat as everyone else and wondering why anyone would be surprised by this

117 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:39:54am

re: #113 Rogue198

re: #109 Golem Akbar

too bad Prager isn't in my area...I'll just have to settle for Rush ;)


It's on line. Google Dennis Prager. You can listen on line. Also, google KRLA News Talk radio.

118 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:41:10am

Prager is on commercial. Time to find the progam on line and listen to the rest.

119 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:42:14am

re: #117 Golem Akbar

re: #113 Rogue198


re: #109 Golem Akbar

too bad Prager isn't in my area...I'll just have to settle for Rush ;)


It's on line. Google Dennis Prager. You can listen on line. Also, google KRLA News Talk radio.


I can't stream at work! Charles please post an audio replay if you can.

120 RTLM  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:43:23am

KRLA comes in - just barely - to my office.

(streaming prohib here - damn)

121 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:43:41am

re: #117 Golem Akbar

It's on line. Google Dennis Prager. You can listen on line. Also, google KRLA News Talk radio.

Or click the link on the thread below.

122 Bill Amos  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:43:44am

Darn it put wrong link up here as well

Here is murtha speaking out

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

123 christheprofessor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:44:26am

re: #115 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Yup. Power over their fellow citizens, not their fellow citizens, is their thing...

re: #113 Rogue198

I'm listening to it on my cable TV -- Time-Warner has Cable Radio Network as part of its system...

124 Wendya  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:44:50am

Sometimes I wonder if they understand what they say. A working surge is a problem for democrats? Gee...let's noodle through the implications of that statement!

125 threeCents  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:44:59am

Now watch the Democrats step up the scandal angle on someone...anyone...to coincide with the presentation of Petraeus' report.

126 Sgt.Slappy  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:46:05am

You'd get more loyalty, dedication, and patriotism out of a baby orangutan than from a stinking democrat like Clyburn.

127 Rogue198  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:46:42am

re: #117 Golem Akbar

re: #113 Rogue198


re: #109 Golem Akbar

too bad Prager isn't in my area...I'll just have to settle for Rush ;)


It's on line. Google Dennis Prager. You can listen on line. Also, google KRLA News Talk radio.

Done...sweet :)

128 NinoBrown79  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:46:44am

re: #125 threeCents

I imagine Lindsay Lohan will mysteriously be back in rehab for the 20th time on that day.

129 Hard Right  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:46:47am

But the Dems are the real patriots...buwhahahahahahahaha!

130 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:46:56am

OT OT OT OT OT OT

Rove, you magnificent bastard!

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

131 XMarine  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:46:57am

Re: #27 FrogMarch:
We did not "lose" in Vietnam. After Tet, the Viet Cong were exhausted in both manpower and materiel. They no longer played a major role in South Vietnam. ARVN was able to handle the insurgency; the countryside was largely pacified, and we were able to pull out, leaving some armed forces in places like the Saigon Embassy. Then, the democrat-peacenik congress pulled out all support for South Vietnam. North Vietnam invaded on a scale not seen since WWII, and South Vietnam, lacking the support it needed, collapsed.

WE DID NOT LOSE THE VIETNAM WAR. It was lost by the left wing media and gutless congressthings, who then transferred the loss to the armed forces of the United States. That lie has been repeated over and over until even Lizardoids seem to believe it.

132 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:48:15am

re: #125 threeCents

Now watch the Democrats step up the scandal angle on someone...anyone...to coincide with the presentation of Petraeus' report.

Or maybe Larry Flint (sp?).

133 wargammer2005  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:48:23am

re: #47 Golem Akbar

let's see...

Truman allowed American Troops to be killed in a war he did not plan to win. he allowed 800,000,000 people to become enslaved by the USSR.
he allowed soviet spies in our goverment.

JFK nearly got us all killed in a nuclear war by showing weakness to the soviets. he killed the leaders of Vietman and sent thousands of US troops there in secret, leading to a war that no democrat allowed us to win, with 50,000+ US dead and millions more dead after we left.

God save us from such patriots.

134 jcm  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:48:39am

re: #124 Wendya

Sometimes I wonder if they understand what they say. A working surge is a problem for democrats? Gee...let's noodle through the implications of that statement!

The democrat party has sold out for power, nothing is more important to them than power, keeping power, exercising power, if it allows them to keep power they will sell out all of us.

135 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:49:01am

re: #125 threeCents

That's because they have no other choice. With things going well on Iraq, they've got to find another way to take the Adminstration down a notch, so that means guys like AG Gonzales are under scrutiny for every last utterance in the hopes that they misspoke their way into perjury or other similar predicaments.

It is all about the Democrats and their contortions.

136 bosforus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:49:36am

re: #126 Sgt.Slappy

You'd get more loyalty, dedication, and patriotism out of a baby orangutan than from a stinking democrat like Clyburn.

oh, do you mean this baby orangutan?

137 wargammer2005  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:49:40am

re: #131 XMarine

Amen!

people like kerry and RFK lost that war, with over 3millions dead after we left.

RFK was agaisnt a war that he and his brother made worst.

138 socalinfidel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:50:35am

Yeah, God forbid we help the iraqi people rebuild their own country and stand on their own two feet...god forbid we help to stabilize a region which needs stability more than Harry Reid needs a logical thought...Someone posted it earlier and im gonna copy it...it must really suck to be so invested in defeat! Ok, i have vented enough...thanks for listening lizards...ill be here all night!

139 BulgarWheat  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:51:07am

#131 XMarine

I don't believe it. I understand how the lib-tards lost the war in Viet Nam. I don't f'in forgive them for it either.

This time is different. We blow this one, it is definitely coming home to the big PX.

U.S. Army 1978-1986

140 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:51:23am

re: #133 wargammer2005

Truman allowed American Troops to be killed in a war he did not plan to win. God save us from such patriots.

You do not know that Truman purposely allowed American troops to be killed. In what revisionist history book did you read that one?

141 xtraBilly  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:51:54am

Clyburn:

He said most Americans still do not know some of the domestic legislation that has been approved. Fewer understand that, despite Democratic majorities in both houses, that it takes 60 votes to pass anything legislation in the Senate.

Silly us. We just don't understand.

142 Rogue198  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:52:57am

Charles is a lot more soft-spoken then I would have guessed

143 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:54:01am

re: #142 Rogue198

You don't have to be a fire and brimstone guy to get your point across.

144 NinoBrown79  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:54:06am

re: #141 xtraBilly

Yeah the old leftist ploy when people do not agree with them, "Oh they are just stupid, our thoughts and motivations are way to intelligent and nuanced for them to understand"

145 beblebrox  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:54:15am

re: #142 Rogue198

Charles is a lot more soft-spoken then I would have guessed

yeah, but he carries a Big Stick!

146 Sgt.Slappy  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:55:17am

re: #136 bosforus

U Betcha!

147 squarepeg  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:56:08am

re: #130 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Woo-hoo! Since California's blueness is entirely dependent on voter-fraud Los Angeles and psychotic San Francisco, a move like that would allow us red Californians a little ol' visibility for once. Hell, we might even see a presidential campaign ad for the first time since teevee went color.

148 NinoBrown79  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:56:28am

re: #145 beblebrox

Sorry but that really sounded kinda gay.

149 Rogue198  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:56:35am

re: #143 lawhawk

re: #142 Rogue198

You don't have to be a fire and brimstone guy to get your point across.

true...

re: #145 beblebrox

re: #142 Rogue198


Charles is a lot more soft-spoken then I would have guessed

yeah, but he carries a Big Stick!

with a whole lot of lizards right behind him ;)

150 bosforus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:57:11am

re: #146 Sgt.Slappy

i think that orangutan should be an unofficial mascot of LGF. a go-to guy. or a good luck charm of sorts

151 BulgarWheat  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:57:12am

#140 Golem Akbar

I'm pretty sure that he/she was talking about Korea.

My Dad was a marine in Korea. He got f'd big time and was not a fan of Harry S'. The Frozen Chosen did not come home with great love for Harry S. He turned them over to an imcompetent UN. Not a good move in my Dad's eye's.

Revisionist history? I guess that you would have had to have been there...

152 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:57:28am

re: #142 Rogue198

Charles is a lot more soft-spoken then I would have guessed

He is very knowledgeable and doesn't have to scream to make his points.

And he's a jazz aficionado, too.

153 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:58:01am
154 Buckeye Abroad  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:58:05am

#131 XMarine

Amen to that.

North Vietnam invaded on a scale not seen since WWII, and South Vietnam, lacking the support it needed, collapsed.

And a million boat people (estimated 250,000 drowned at sea) and a couple million dead Cambodians later the left still believes their own lies.

155 Rogue198  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:58:33am

re: #152 Golem Akbar

re: #142 Rogue198


Charles is a lot more soft-spoken then I would have guessed

He is very knowledgeable and doesn't have to scream to make his points.

And he's a jazz aficionado, too.

He outta try our local Jazz in KCK

156 Let's Roll  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:58:55am

I've never backed down from claiming that the Dems and liberals hate America. I've never wasted any breath or keystrokes on qualifiers such as "...but they support the troops" or "...but I'm not questioning their patriotism." They don't support the troops, I am questioning their patriotism, and yes, they WANT us to lose.

157 cygnus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:59:17am

re: #72 Ben Hur

Democrat policy re: Iraq.

Abracadabra! Or is it Adava Kedavra?

158 bosforus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:59:36am

re: #142 Rogue198

Charles is a lot more soft-spoken then I would have guessed

as long as you're right you'll be the loudest one in the room

159 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:59:38am

At'ta kid Charles, you.

160 NinoBrown79  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:59:38am

re: #149 Rogue198

re: #142 Rogue198


Charles is a lot more soft-spoken then I would have guessed

yeah, but he carries a Big Stick!
with a whole lot of lizards right behind him ;)

AGAIN THAT SOUNDS VERY GAY.

161 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:00:15am

re: #157 cygnus

The latter.

162 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:00:39am

I curse the Democrats.
This would be a problem for them.

*Spit*

163 funkyfantom  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:01:02am

re: #9 christheprofessor

To paraphrase Rush, if good news about the war is a problem for Democrats, what the hell is an American victory for them?

Remember that George McGovern actually admitted many years later that the left wing of the Democrat party wanted badly for the US to lose in Vietnam. This is nothing new.

164 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:01:32am

re: #160 NinoBrown79

Enola Gay and Lesbian.

165 wvobiwan  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:01:54am

#73 Golem Akbar:

Hate to break it to you, but Liebermann is no longer technically a Democrat, although he votes with them a lot. The Democrats threw him overboard last election and Joe had to run as an Independant.

Joe is a lonely guy.

I wish he'd just switch to the Republican party, he could do a lot of great work on the GOOD guy's side...maybe we can trade Hagel for Joe?

166 RTLM  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:02:17am

I got Gaydar - and it ain't pingin'

167 Golem Akbar  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:02:35am

re: #151 BulgarWheat

Revisionist history? I guess that you would have had to have been there...

For it's time, the UN was considered the best answer to communism. That it turned out not to be is not Truman's fault, although yes, he should have known better. Kennedy, too. I went to Vietnam. We could have won that one as well. I personally know that the peacenik left shot us in the foot, so to speak. Kennedy's heart (and Truman, I still believe) was in the right place. It took Ronald Reagan to prove that democracy could prevail.

Bush may not be able to defeat Islamofascism. But he is truly trying. Maybe Rudy will be the next Reagan. I doubt Hillary can do it.

168 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:02:52am

#101 looking closely

I am not trying to teach them a lesson.
I am letting Darwins theory take its course.

169 NinoBrown79  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:02:53am

re: #164 Ojoe

Sorry I had to point that one out.

170 degrees_of_truth  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:03:30am

re: #44 bluegrass boy

i wish these panty wastes would get on board ...

I doubt the misspelling was intentional, but its a brilliant metaphor either way. Panty waists.. panty wastes... either way works for me, and fits the Democ Rats so extraordinarily well in either case. They are, in fact, a terrible waste of panties, and certainly demonstrate their degree of fortitude through their secret under-armor.

171 christheprofessor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:03:52am

re: #163 funkyfantom

Remember that George McGovern actually admitted many years later that the left wing of the Democrat party wanted badly for the US to lose in Vietnam. This is nothing new.

I hadn't heard that but I believe it...

172 Paul  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:05:32am

Where is Walter Cronkite not that the Dems really need him?

173 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:05:35am

#131 Xmarine

Funny, even the NVA admit this.
But democrats won't.

174 bosforus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:05:58am

what are Charles and Dennis talking about anyways?

175 Arbalest  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:06:55am

From the article quoted in the main post:

“House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Monday that a strongly positive report on progress on Iraq by Army Gen. David Petraeus likely would split Democrats in the House and impede his party's efforts to press for a timetable to end the war.”

This sounds like official Democratic policy.

Is it safe to assume that Howard Dean approved this?

Have Reps. Murtha or Pelosi commented?

What about Presidential Candidates Hillary!, Obama or Edwards?

Perhaps Senators Reid, Kennedy, Brownback, Boxer and Feinstein have comments about the view from their colleagues in the House.


Also from the article:

"Remember right after the election it went very high on approval,?" he said. "Then all of a sudden people saw that we were not yielding the kind of result that they wanted to yield." the Democratic policies and the problem children (Hasitings, Jefferson, and Murtha, for starters) that Rep. Pelosi wanted to install in positions of power . . . (editing for truth mine)


While we’re on the subject of “approval”, there’s this Senate Ethics bill that would have, among other things, made earmark lists be searchable. Apparently, it no longer does.

This search ability might make linking all the things found in Sen. Ted Stevens’ (R-AK) home to people of interest, as well as tracking contracts given to corporations owned by one Richard C. Blum (Sen. Diane Feinstein’s husband).

This sort of thing would certainly make following Rep. Murtha’s adventures in pork easier.


If a policy statement is to be made, make a real one.

Perhaps it is time to start impeachment efforts.

176 Hard Right  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:07:59am

re: #154 Buckeye Abroad

#131 XMarine

Amen to that.

North Vietnam invaded on a scale not seen since WWII, and South Vietnam, lacking the support it needed, collapsed.

And a million boat people (estimated 250,000 drowned at sea) and a couple million dead Cambodians later the left still believes their own lies.

Because if they admitted it was all their fault it would make them the bad guys, the ones that were wrong and responsible for the deaths of millions. It would mean they aren't special or possess an insight or level of intelligence others do not. In other words, everything they believe about themselves would be a self deluding lie. If there's one thing we know the left can't handle-it's reality and the truth it brings.

177 Paul  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:08:05am

#172 "not" = "now" (shakes head)

178 just another four-letter word  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:08:21am

re: #47 Golem Akbar

Where are the Kennedy/Truman/Scoop Jackson democrats who love America, believe that democracy is America's gift to humanity, and will help spread this message of liberty?

Um, they're dead, Golem. Just like patriotism for the Dems. Once Zell Miller pointed out in "A Party No More" that the Dem's were going downhill fast, the current crop of Donks made it happen! Art imitating life? The other way 'round?

It's the US that suffers, followed by the rest of the world. Which brings to mind the statement, "When the US (economy) sneezes, the rest of the world catches a cold!"

JAFLW

/Doom and gloom! Doom and gloom, I say!

179 Pawn of The Oppressor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:08:37am

"Not Anti-War... On The Other Side."

180 jcm  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:08:52am

I've said it before and will say again.

The democrats have more in common with Islamofascists than with those who believe in Liberty. Both hate the sovereign individual.

181 eon  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:09:03am

re: #114 Dave the...

Republicans need to kick out the dead weight...but do it in the primary, not loss in the general election. Anyone who is in Congress to profit, needs to go. I have no tolerance for Republicans who do bad things.

Exactly. John le Bouglier from NewsMax.com was on my local radio station this morning on this very subject. He observed that the FBI had to have something pretty solid on Stevens (like maybe the entire new wing of his house the contractor built for free?), or they wouldn't have dared to go after the longest-serving GOPer in the Senate. Especially not with a Republican in the White House. Logical argument.

But I disagree. Slightly.

One of the peculiarities of the present system is that there is never a "bad" time to go after a Republican, and never a "good" time to go after a Democrat. If a Republican is dirty, you can go for him confident that his own party leaders will back you up, because it's the right thing to do- and because their own constituents, generally mindful of the rule of law, expect it.

The media will also back you, as will the Democrats, on the entirely different grounds that they hate Republicans. This is true regardless of who holds the Oval Office.

Now, if you go after a Democrat, it's a whole different ball game. The GOPers will still back you, but the media and Dems will scream "persecution!" at the tops of their lungs. Your motives will be suspected, your honor impugned, and you and your family's backgrounds will be "investigated" to the Nth degree to find something, anything, that can be used to discredit you.

And on top of this, your career will be over as soon as a Democrat can subpoena you to appear in front of a Senate committee to explain your "witch hunt".

Also consider that Democrats, by and large, control the Federal bureaucracy. And every single one of them who outranks you is on some Democratic Senator's speed-dial.

And if you find yourself in this position with a Democrat as President, God help you. Because no one else will be able to.

From this, we can discern two general rules;

1. If you are in law enforcement, especially at the Federal level, if anyone tells you that a Democratic "personage" is dirty, you are best advised to tell them to forget about it.

2. If you want to get into politics mainly for reasons of self-aggrandizement and self-enrichment, first register as a Democrat. That "D" next to your name is the real-world equivalent of the "Get Out Of Jail Free" card in Monopoly. But unlike the card, you don't have to give it up once you've played it.

It's the gift that keeps on giving.


cheers

eon

182 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:09:24am
North Vietnam invaded on a scale not seen since WWII, and South Vietnam, lacking the support it needed, collapsed.

And a million boat people (estimated 250,000 drowned at sea) and a couple million dead Cambodians later the left still believes their own lies.

That's what happens when you operate in the world of "theory" and not reality.

183 cygnus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:10:11am

re: #87 Ben Hur

Oops.

184 RTLM  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:10:30am

Why is it that most Dem's faces resemble those of Ferrets, rats and other assorted vermin?

Always seemed strange to me

185 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:10:59am
“House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Monday that a strongly positive report on progress on Iraq by Army Gen. David Petraeus likely would split Democrats in the House and impede his party's efforts to press for a timetable to end the war.”

Fool's statement.

The war will be ended by winning it.

Quitting now makes it worse later.

Democrats = Quislings.

186 akak  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:11:21am

[Link: www.nefafoundation.org...]

187 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:11:32am

re: #183 cygnus

Big oops.

But shows you how ridiculous their arguements are now.

188 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:12:18am

I curse the Democrats again.

189 CIA Reject  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:14:10am

I think this pretty much sums up the situation the Democrats are in and why they are in it.

190 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:14:25am

May your chads all hang, Democrats.

191 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:14:37am

#101 looking closely

Not to get in a pissing match with you, because I understand your point. It is a good one.
I see more and more Muslims getting into politics via the democratic party. They do not need to win with any more 9/11 attacks.
In fact, that would be counterproductive. They just have to increase their numbers with immigration and procreation. Increase their power in the democratic party. Use the massive funding they get from Saudi Arabia to good use. Use our own political system against us. Use the court system. They are trying to do it now.
Then how do you fight back with out resorting to a civil revolt?

192 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:15:14am

Bush should throw this back in the Dems' faces. But he probably won't.

193 Ezekiel2517  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:16:07am

They're our planes now, Ron.

194 lurking faith  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:16:21am

re: #168 hous bin pharteen

If we're weak and stupid enough to let them be in charge, then I suspect we're all going to earn a Darwin award.

If there were somewhere all the self-loathing leftards could go in order to try out their theories without risking MY life and MY home, that would be their business. But they want to drag all of us off the cliff with them, which is why we can't afford to give up and sit back to see what happens.

195 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:19:29am

More takes on the problems facing the Democrats and how we can still win in Iraq.

196 Buckeye Abroad  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:19:53am

#176 HR

If there's one thing we know the left can't handle-it's reality and the truth it brings.

Acknowledging that your position was wrong and changing your opinion according to newly acquired facts takes character that is completey lacking in them. To do so would reveal they are not infallible which is hard for a group of people showing the symptoms of a rather large inferiority complex.

197 Spiny Norman  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:20:22am

re: #63 Just Another Four-letter Word

re: #9 christheprofessor
To paraphrase Rush, if good news about the war is a problem for Democrats, what the hell is an American victory for them?
A pure, unmitigated DISASTER!
JAFLW

/Here's to the Dem's disaster!

Not to worry! Murtha to the rescue!

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A top Democratic lawmaker Tuesday dismissed the findings of two longtime Iraq war critics, who cited a dramatic improvement in the situation there following the infusion of thousands of additional US troops.

"I dismiss it at as rhetoric," said US Representative John Murtha, a former marine, congressional heavyweight on military matters, and outspoken Iraq War critic.

"I don't know where they were staying. I don't know what they saw. But I know this: that it's not getting better," Murtha said on CNN television.

"It's over-optimist. It's an illusion," the Pennsylvania lawmaker continued.

Asswipe.

198 godfrey  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:20:39am

The donkey's on the ropes and braying like an ass.

199 squarepeg  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:21:05am

re: #174 bosforus

what are Charles and Dennis talking about anyways?

I don't know, I'm listening to Rush. But I wish some goody-two-shoes Lizard who's listening to Prager would tell us.

200 godfrey  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:22:41am

I like this Gaffney guy:

They are so determined to score domestic political points by unilaterally ending the conflict in Iraq that they are prepared to surrender the country to al Qaeda and various Shiite militias and their respective Saudi, Iranian and Syrian enablers.

Disgusting men, unworthy of the free republic they purport to represent.

201 mad_scientist  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:23:47am
My worry is that this comment won't get any traction.

It wont even get mentioned on the mainstream newscasts...

It could get a little play on cable, Fox, and MSNBC (at least on Beck's show anyway) though. However, all that will be uttered if someone tries to bring it up in this arena, is that the quote was taken out of context, and the liberal will shout down the conservative for having the gual question their patriotism.

202 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:25:08am
203 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:26:00am

#194 lurking faith

I have faith that we will win.
No question about it.
The question is, at what cost?
How much of the herd is going to be culled in the long run?
Our way will cost the least in blood and treasury.
This country is too evenly divided.
Some of the stuff going on now boggles the mind.
9/11 truthers for example.
Supporting Fatah.
Selling arms to the magic kingdom
It is unfair to our troops to field and army in which our boys are giving their all and turn around and stab them in the back down the road.

204 godfrey  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:26:57am

A memorable line from James Robbins:

The weak link in the war effort is in the U.S. Congress.

And the mainstream media, but that goes without saying.

205 lurking faith  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:27:50am

re: #197 Spiny Norman

Not to worry! Murtha to the rescue!

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A top Democratic lawmaker Tuesday dismissed the findings of two longtime Iraq war critics, who cited a dramatic improvement in the situation there following the infusion of thousands of additional US troops.
"I dismiss it at as rhetoric," said US Representative John Murtha, a former marine, congressional heavyweight fathead on military matters, and outspoken Iraq War critic.

"I don't know where they were staying. I don't know what they saw. But I know this: that it's not getting better," Murtha said on CNN television.

"It's over-optimist. It's an illusion," the Pennsylvania lawmaker continued.


Nothing to see here! Move along! Nothing to see!
/from the don't-distort-my-theory-with-your-facts school of public policy

206 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:28:23am

#204 godfrey


Are you talking 1776?
1860?
1864?
1916?
1971?

207 Mofo  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:30:02am

re: #17 mofo

HEY CHARLES,

How bout a hat-tip to LGF reader Mofo-

[Link: www.crooksandliars.com...]

That's about what i expected. Why isn't it big news to know that there were no dry runs?

Also, you should remember all that talk earlier this week about the terrorist dry runs at airports here in the U.S. Well, just kidding. It turns out it was all one big false alarm. We’ll explain.

– CNN anchor T.J. Holmes, at the top of Saturday morning newscast (via Nexis).

208 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:32:14am

#205 lurking

Ya know, I like Johnstown.
It is a great hockey town.
Every hockey fan should make the pilgrimage.
But when you are there you realize they are stuck in 1975.

209 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:35:06am

Man,
If only I could kill Islamanazis as easily as I can kill a thread.

210 lurking faith  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:36:37am

re: #203 hous bin pharteen
I know we agree about the need for victory, and about the potential for a horrendous cost along the way.

I just think we can't afford to cull the herd by letting the most foolish among us play shepherd. They'll open the gates and call the wolves in, and the wolves will "cull" at random, not just catching the weak and slow.

IHTGBTWN

211 godfrey  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:36:39am

hous

Heh. Wait until other reports like O'Hanlon and Pollack's start to be filed in greater numbers. If Mother Hillary wins, Donkeys everywhere will fall over themselves to get in line at the Happy Iraq Nursery, all claiming paternity.

212 Terp Mole  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:37:47am

Libyan Nuclear Extortion Update: Der Spiegel details the brutal torture Kaddafi used to blackmail the West;

Medic Recalls Eight Years in Libyan Jail

...Sometimes we were tortured in the same room. I saw them half-naked and they saw me completely naked when I was being given the electroshocks. We heard each other whimpering, crying and screeching. Kristiana was hung up on a window while they put me on an iron pallet and applied the electroshocks. I am ashamed to talk about all the things they did to the women. They were raped. Kristiana was forced to put a bottle in her vagina. At one point Nasya, who couldn't stand it anymore, broke off a piece of window glass and slit her wrist. They took her to the hospital, under a false name, and then they brought her back to our torture chamber...

Incredibly, The Center for Nursing Advocacy is asking nurses to send letters thanking Libya for releasing their brutally tortured nurse hostages;

Please thank the EU and Libya!

Please send letters of thanks to European Union External Affairs Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner at relex-sanctions@ec.europa.eu and please copy us at letters@nursingadvocacy.org. Please also thank Libya at libya@un.int and copy us at letters@nursingadvocacy.org.

/dhimmitude on stilts

213 beblebrox  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:38:02am

re: #148 NinoBrown79

re: #145 beblebrox

Sorry but that really sounded kinda gay.

where's you mind? ;)

214 Hard Right  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:43:54am

re: #196 Buckeye Abroad

#176 HR

If there's one thing we know the left can't handle-it's reality and the truth it brings.

Acknowledging that your position was wrong and changing your opinion according to newly acquired facts takes character that is completey lacking in them. To do so would reveal they are not infallible which is hard for a group of people showing the symptoms of a rather large inferiority complex.

I partly agree. They do have an inferiority complex and are not capable of admitting they are wrong.
Where we differ is that I feel they are incapable of seeing whenthey are wrong. This why you can even show them a picture proving them wrong on something, and they continue holding that same viewpoint regardless. If it doesn't fit their agenda or can't be spun, it never existed/is fake. Look at the left's track record on admitting historical facts. We left Vietnam and hundreds of thousands if not millions were murdered. Yet, they act as if it never happened. (John Kerry recently said as much.) Chavez is torturing, murdering, and jailing his people, yet the left acts as though it isn't happening. Castro and Che are/were murdering, slimebag, cowards. Yet the left sees them as heroes and humanitarians fighting for "the people".

Liberalism is a mental illness. People suffering from Schizophrenia have certain specific traits in common. It's no accident that leftists do as well. .

215 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:58:51am

re: #214 Hard Right

Yes, the leftists are sick. One I knew justified suicide bombers to my face. It creeped me out big time. I am no longer her friend and carry a visceral dislike of her to this day.

216 FishFearMe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 12:04:40pm

#542 FishFearMe 7/31/2007 11:38:02 am PDT reply quote

Charles...as a former "Influential Member of the Media - Small/Medium Market Division", I feel compelled to commend you on not just LGF, but the 2 radio shows that I have heard you on ( the other being Tammy Bruce, IIRC). Somebody up-thread mentioned that you have a way of making the complex simple. Truer words were never spoken. That, in and of itself, is a "Talent On Loan From Gawd", as Rush would say. After all, brevity is the soul of wit. In regards to LGF, I stumbled on it through a link from Ace, whom I also just found through a link somewhere. I think I can speak for all Lizardom when I say that your tireless work and undying dedication to your work are unparalled, beyond reproach and greatly appreciated. On top of that, the service you are performing for your country, via LGF, is indeed, something that future historians will look back on and marvel at. I know that I marvel at LGF and Charles Johnson every day. Be safe and God bless from a Misplaced Texan.

217 godfrey  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 12:04:42pm

hard right

A few years ago I saw some statistics on the percentage of faculty members in the humanities (the majority of whom are Left) who had been, or were being, treated for various brain illnesses, depression being the most common. Sorry I can't provide links, but I'm pretty confident the "illness" angle isn't overstated by much.

218 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 12:05:32pm

#210 lurking

They tend to attack liberal cities.
If the libs succeed in getting us to pull out of Iraq, and I lived in one of those cities, I would move.
Thats something fellow lizards should be considering.

Mind you I would prefer that we would be sitting down with a few Saudi princes and explain if things don't change we will be making this a war for oil.
Their oil.

219 FishFearMe  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 12:05:40pm

Sorry for the re-post...but I felt like it needed to be done.

220 harley2002  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 12:07:04pm

Let me see.

1. Less soldier deaths.
2. The surge is working.
3. Less Iraqi deaths.

And this is bad news for Democrats? What a bunch of traitorous ass%$^. And yes I am questioning there patriotism as well as there right to even be out of prison. I heard Murtha today this man should be horsewhiped. He is one sick person..

221 Hard Right  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 12:08:36pm

re: #215 Ojoe

re: #214 Hard Right

Yes, the leftists are sick. One I knew justified suicide bombers to my face. It creeped me out big time. I am no longer her friend and carry a visceral dislike of her to this day.

I don't blame you a bit.

My brother is a raging moonbat. He called me and our parents traitors while claiming people like him are the real patriots. Scary.

222 looking closely  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 12:11:53pm

re: #168 hous bin pharteen

#194 said it.

Saying "See, we pulled out and then lost, told ya so" doesn't really help anything.

You say its not fair to have our soldiers fight with one hand tied behind their back. . .I agree, but what's the alternative?

223 Fat Tone  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 12:23:56pm

Roger Fraley properly poses the question...

Can I question their patriotism now?

224 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 12:24:07pm

#222 looking closely

Saying "told you so" I have no interest in.
Their stupidity should have consequences to them and I believe they will.
No where in my post did I say we should roll over for these fools.

You say its not fair to have our soldiers fight with one hand tied behind their back. . .I agree, but what's the alternative?

How about if the dems win and they do pull out with the likely bad blow back here in the states, then I think the Repubs should push for a draft with no college deferments.

225 Fasternu426  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 12:41:04pm

From Merriam Webster:

pa·tri·ot
Pronunciation: 'pA-trE-&t, -"ät, chiefly British 'pa-trE-&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French patriote compatriot, from Late Latin patriota, from Greek patriOtEs, from patria lineage, from patr-, patEr father
: one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests

and

pa·tri·ot·ic
Pronunciation: "pA-trE-'ä-tik, chiefly British "pa-
Function: adjective
1 : inspired by patriotism
2 : befitting or characteristic of a patriot

So, when they say their dissent is patriotic, give them the finger.

226 oh_dude  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 12:48:07pm

(I'll put this down in baseball- speak since most libs aren't fans of sports ...especially ones so deeply embedded in American tradition)

The Dems decide to intentionally walk the slugger at the plate, because the guy on-deck is a rookie batting .205.

They walk the slugger, the rookie steps up and whacks the rock for a stand-up double into left field, driving in two more runs. Doh!

Me thinks the Dems would make good MLB managers.

227 MoonbatBane  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 1:17:53pm

#156 Let's Roll 7/31/2007 10:58:55 am PDT reply quote

I've never backed down from claiming that the Dems and liberals hate America. I've never wasted any breath or keystrokes on qualifiers such as "...but they support the troops" or "...but I'm not questioning their patriotism." They don't support the troops, I am questioning their patriotism, and yes, they WANT us to lose.

Get Out Of My Mind! /Dune reference/joke

Seriously, you nailed it. All that's really left for me to say is, "what Let's Roll said"...

228 MoonbatBane  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 1:20:28pm

re: #212 Terp Mole

An appropriate response for any country who had their people tortured in this fashioin would be to reduce the Libyan capitcal to rubble...

229 Tricky Dick  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 1:31:16pm

So basically what he's saying is they hope as many of our young fighting men and women as possible get killed on the battlefield. What a worthless piece of crap he is!

230 Maui Girl  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 1:32:35pm

re: #216 FishFearMe

I agree with your analysis of LGF (and Charles) wholeheartedly.

231 stevieray  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 1:40:25pm

re: #181 eon

Spot on!

232 Maui Girl  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 1:48:22pm

re: #212 Terp Mole

I just sent a copy of the article from Speigel to the nursing advocacy via their request to send "copies". Not what they expected I'm sure. I encourage all the Lizardoids to do the same.

233 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 1:49:47pm

The worldwide Left/Islamofascists/socialists, etc, etc, including our own rotten apples, the Dem’s, have so much invested in US defeat that in their running away they’ve now brought themselves full-circle and are about to run-up the anus of global conflict.

Chirac & Co. had been campaigning almost a year-and-a-half to stop the ‘US global hegemony.’ When he stated the Euro’s wouldn’t lift-a-finger to help stabilize Iraq, ie., screw the US, followed shortly thereafter by Kofi’s statement, the Iraq invasion and conflict was illegal - the 'green-light' was given.

My own opinion - what was started, now, can not be stopped.

234 favre4favre  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 2:14:27pm

This is why they declared the surge a failure before it started, why that jackass walked out of the generals briefing, and why they will not listen to Patreaus in Sept. They are fully invested in defeat.

235 favre4favre  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 2:18:41pm

re: #224 hous bin pharteen


Draft? Are you daft?

236 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 2:31:41pm
237 Maui Girl  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 2:36:30pm

re: #212 Terp Mole

THIS IS THE RESPONSE I GOT BACK FOR EMAILING THE ADVOCACY GROUP A COPY OF THE SPIEGEL ARTICLE.


Thank you for sending this--how atrocious.


Of course, we are not thanking Libya for torturing the Benghazi Six, but for finally releasing them.


Best regards,


Sandy Summers, RN, MSN, MPH
Executive Director
The Center for Nursing Advocacy
203 Churchwardens Rd.
Baltimore, MD USA 21212-2937
office 1-410-323-1100
fax 1-443-705-0260
ssummers@nursingadvocacy.org
[Link: www.nursingadvocacy.org...]

238 kaffirgal  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 2:39:19pm

Clyburn obviously flunked Dhimmicrat Taqqiya 101. First rule: never let the mask slip.

239 The Duke  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 3:01:47pm

Good News From Iraq would be a major problem for John Murtha and his million dollar earmark for a non existent project ...

Does anybody wonder if he can still say Sempre Fi ?

I seriously doubt that :-)

240 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 3:44:02pm

The ‘market’ is an extremely powerful force and motivator. Of course, the ‘Left’ hate it for said.

Letters of Marque, very, very quietly(I guess means Donkgress can't know. Oh well, screw'm).

I do like the salutation.

Change the scope.

241 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 4:06:02pm

#234 favre4favre

How else are you going to get libs to fight for their country?
They will not do it willingly!
If they screw things up, they should be the ones to put their asses on the line to fix it.

242 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 4:14:46pm

re: #105 Ben Hur

Question:

IF...
A train approaches a bridge at X mph. and
A missile is launched from a US aircraft at Y mph,
when does Wesley Clark take responsibility for a boneheaded move?

Answer: Never. Because the consequences were UNINTENDED.

It's with this kind of math, that a Demo victory in '08 is frightening.

243 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 4:30:47pm

#105 ben hur

Now if I was a lib, I could spin a very nice conspiracy theory on who was on that train that ol' Wes wanted whacked.

244 Xango Annie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 5:04:16pm

Me thinks that Clyburn is going to be taken to the woodshed..he revealed just a teensey bit too much!

245 siiras  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 9:19:51pm

Clyburn's comments are why terrorists "vote" Democrat.

A lot of gold nuggets on this thread tonight. Love easy's #112 that "instead of BDS the Left suffers from PMS (Power Mad Syndrome)", so appropriate as the Dems all seem to have uteri, including the putative "men" like Biden and Murtha who are constantly PMS'ing.

Xmarine is absolutely right that the American military did not lose in VietNam. The Left snatched defeat from the jaws of victory that time with Walter (Tokyo Rose) Cronkite lie after Tet and declare a loss, demoralizing the American people and unnerving the Democrat president Lyndon Johnson. Congress finished the job by withdrawing funding from South Vietnam and the resulting predictable over-run by Communists killed and displaced millions but the Dems were happy. They got to rule on the domestic front for years and drag the country so far toward socialism that even the Reagan years could not correct it.

Eon's 181 is priceless as the playbook by which Dems and their MSM handmaidens tag team to crucify Republicans while covering up Dems' equal or worse misbehavior. It should be added that the Left has another press going on through courts also biased in their favor where they manufacture a crime for Libby for example, while letting Sandy Berger and his pants stuffed full of classified information off scot free. You've got to be made of stern and impeccable stuff to survive as a Republican and unfortunately, few are up to it. Meanwhile, Donkeys can have sexual liaisons with teen male pages (Stubbs) commit murder by negligence (Kennedy), store payoffs in his office freezer (Jefferson) or be impeached as a federal judge on bribery charges (Hastings) and be re-elected by the brain-dead until they die of old age.

The one comment that really crystallized everything for me was #180 by jcm "The democrats have more in common with Islamofascists than with those who believe in Liberty. Both hate the sovereign individual".

That's the bottom line. What I'm afraid of is that after decades of creeping nanny-ism, there are more robots in lockstep looking for their handouts than there are "sovereign individuals".


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