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-RetweetCAIR Leader vs. Christopher Hitchens and Dennis Prager

Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 6:40:10 pm PDT

On Paula Zahn’s show tonight, discussing the Pace University Koran-dunking incident, Ibrahim Hooper simply could not let anyone else finish a sentence. Hitchens was clearly very irritated at the constant interruptions, but got off this excellent line: “Mr. Hooper, you have neither read nor understood the First Amendment.”

And at the very end, Hooper threw in a series of dishonest smears against Robert Spencer and Jihad Watch, who of course was not on the show and could not defend himself.

It’s a good development that Hooper is now going on shows with people like this, who understand the issues and won’t sit still for his distortions and lies.

But every time he goes on television, he should be asked whether he, and CAIR, are willing to condemn terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hizballah. Because he just can’t bring himself to lie about that and say, “Yes.”

(Video will be posted shortly.)

Meanwhile, Bill O’Reilly handed CAIR a big propaganda win last night, by supporting the hate crime charges against Stanislav Shmulevich; CAIR has posted video of O’Reilly’s disgraceful position, with the gloating title: O’Reilly Supports Charges in Quran Vandalism Case.

UPDATE at 7/31/07 7:06:04 pm:

My full-length video is still queued up at Liveleak, and Allahpundit has already posted the show in two parts. So without further ado, and with a thank-you to AP and Hot Air, here it is:

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1 Angel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:41:35pm

woohoo can hardly wait to see the vid Charles!
outstanding!

2 Racer X  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:41:43pm

Smackdown. Need more.

3 Shug  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:42:59pm

I just watched it on hotair.

Hitchens as usual looks both hung-over and brilliant.

hooper as usual looks like a liar

4 thebigolddog  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:43:17pm
5 29Victor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:43:31pm

Looking forward to it.

6 rappmandu  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:45:13pm

It's always a good sign when the evildoer starts monologuing. Gives the good guy time to plan and deliver a devastating blow.

7 sas fan  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:48:23pm

One of Hitchens's best lines since he told Ron Reagan something about not being worthy of "the chair you occupy," or something like that.

8 29Victor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:48:55pm

This guy isn't worthy of the name Mr. Hooper.

9 MJ  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:49:01pm

Two points were of extreme interest:
I. Hooper said that "Islam is an ideology".
Can one be charged with a "hate crime" against an ideology?
Of course not.

II. Hooper said they ( meaning CAIR ) would have no problem if people destroyed Korans in the public square due to their support of free speech.
Maybe that should be tested?

10 MadisonConservative  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:49:15pm

Good ol' Chris is coming to Madison in October. I'm praying I can get a seat without being a member of Freedom From Religion, who is hosting the event.

11 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:49:22pm

Hitchens is like Alan Dershowitz. Just because he's figured the Muslims correctly and happens to be right on this particular issue doesn't change the fact he's an enormous asshole.

I find him about as offensive as I do CAIR.

12 Angel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:49:23pm

The CA-IR freakazoid says: Mussslim students have withdrawn from the University since this episode...

Prove it fool!
and even if they did...pfftt!..great...then the Jews can get to see Obsession.

Everyone wins.

13 thebigolddog  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:49:47pm
Meanwhile, Bill O’Reilly handed CAIR a big propaganda win last night, by supporting the hate crime charges against Stanislav Shmulevich; CAIR has posted video of O’Reilly’s disgraceful position: O’Reilly Supports Charges in Quran Vandalism Case.

Tonight, during the viewer email segment, he likened it to a Nazi painting a swastika on the home of a Jew. I kid you not. I fell off my chair.

14 njdhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:50:28pm
Meanwhile, Bill O’Reilly handed CAIR a big propaganda win last night, by supporting the hate crime charges against Stanislav Shmulevich; CAIR has posted video of O’Reilly’s disgraceful position: O’Reilly Supports Charges in Quran Vandalism Case.

I wonder how Bill feels now that he's become a tool for the enemy?

15 MJ  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:50:29pm

re: #10 MadisonConservative

Good ol' Chris is coming to Madison in October. I'm praying I can get a seat without being a member of Freedom From Religion, who is hosting the event.

Hey, I saw that too and was planning on going. You East side or West?

16 Charles  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:51:33pm

As I posted last night, the last shreds of my respect for O'Reilly evaporated during that show.

17 Mike C.  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:51:44pm

The problem with these "modern" political "debate" shows is that any asshole is always allowed to talk over anybody else. Which is why I never watch them, even though they might supposedly be supporting a position I agree with. The whole format and show would get tossed out of a rural county high school JV debate meet. It's not like microphones can't be cut off or like "moderators" couldn't actually moderate.

So-called "political debate" shows in this country are a national disgrace. And the "stars" of these shows, left and right, are even worse. Screaming matches, pandering to the lowest common denominator.

To quote one of the West's greatest philosophers, "I yam disgustipated !"

18 MJ  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:52:03pm

re: #13 thebigolddog

Meanwhile, Bill O’Reilly handed CAIR a big propaganda win last night, by supporting the hate crime charges against Stanislav Shmulevich; CAIR has posted video of O’Reilly’s disgraceful position: O’Reilly Supports Charges in Quran Vandalism Case.

Tonight, during the viewer email segment, he likened it to a Nazi painting a swastika on the home of a Jew. I kid you not. I fell off my chair.

The moron also said a letter criticizing the appearance of Father Flager on his show was a "Hate crime".

19 Angel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:53:29pm

re: #17 Mike C.

The problem with these "modern" political "debate" shows is that any asshole is always allowed to talk over anybody else. Which is why I never watch them, even though they might supposedly be supporting a position I agree with. The whole format and show would get tossed out of a rural county high school JV debate meet. It's not like microphones can't be cut off or like "moderators" couldn't actually moderate.

So-called "political debate" shows in this country are a national disgrace. And the "stars" of these shows, left and right, are even worse. Screaming matches, pandering to the lowest common denominator.

To quote one of the West's greatest philosophers, "I yam disgustipated !"


Dang youre so right.
everyone interupting...Hitch was the coolest when he sarcastically said:
I guess I'll wait my turn.

20 rappmandu  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:53:59pm

re: #7 sas fan


Link please? Or something like that.

21 Mike C.  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:55:12pm

re: #16 Charles


Well, I'm one up on you there, then. I never had any respect for that blowhard. Not even when I agreed with him 100 % Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

I don't worry too much about my clear enemies - I can identify them. But I stay awake nights worrying about my supposed "friends."

22 squarepeg  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:55:45pm

re: #16 Charles

As I posted last night, the last shreds of my respect for O'Reilly evaporated during that show.

That's a mighty finalistic-sounding declaration. Are you sure if he says something you like on another topic you won't give him some grudging respect back?

23 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:56:19pm

re: #17 Mike C.

Hitchens, who speaks slowly and methodically, doesn't do well in screaming matches but he outclassed Hooper by a mile.

24 bosforus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:56:37pm

OT

is there a link to the audio of Charles and Dennis Prager from earlier today?

25 pdub  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:56:58pm

check out greta on fox at 10pm

26 nimda  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:57:10pm

My sound card broke down, and I can't do lip reading so I had to look at the facial expressions. O boy, does that Hooper has beady fanatical eyes!

27 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:57:32pm

re: #4 thebigolddog

Good, I see AllahPundit busted Hooper on the Cat Stevens lie.

28 mrfocus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:58:02pm

re: #22 squarepeg

re: #16 Charles

As I posted last night, the last shreds of my respect for O'Reilly evaporated during that show.

That's a mighty finalistic-sounding declaration. Are you sure if he says something you like on another topic you won't give him some grudging respect back?

Not me. Bill O' sucks big time.

29 MJ  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:59:07pm

Hopper claimed that the Koran's were taken from the Muslims.

Do we know if those books were Dawa yet?

If not, didn't Pace own the books and not "the Muslims"?

30 Midwestprof  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:59:19pm

re: #16 Charles

As I posted last night, the last shreds of my respect for O'Reilly evaporated during that show.

I, however, try to catch O'Reilly each evening, at least for his opening segment. I believe his show has gone downhill since he introduced the "body language" lady and his "culture quiz." It reminds me of waiting in line at the grocery store and reading the headlines in the National Enquirer. Nevertheless, O'Reilly, or his guests, usually end up making some pretty good points on subjects I'm keenly interested in. So I watch.

31 screaming_eagle  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 6:59:26pm

re: #17 Mike C.

That. Plus you can just claim something and it is suppose to be fact. You don't need proof for anything.

32 nimda  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:00:04pm

#29
He's probably lying again!

33 Mike C.  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:00:05pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout


I have no doubt he did. But the modern format doesn't allow for reason and logic to prevail. It's just an effing screaming match, broadcast to satisfy the same mental midgets (okay, not the same, but akin) who find "professional" wrestling enticing. This is what we have come to. Sad. Just effing sad.

34 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:00:56pm

Whatever faults Hitchens has (and he has many), he is terrific when he is right and it is good to have him on our side (on at least most issues).

35 Don Miguel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:01:40pm

Bill O’Reilly knows as much about Islam as he does about blogs: nothing.

36 mrfocus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:01:48pm

Polygamist sect on 360 CNN. Ain't Muslims.

37 Sodra Djavul  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:01:50pm
Meanwhile, Bill O’Reilly handed CAIR a big propaganda win last night, by supporting the hate crime charges against Stanislav Shmulevich; CAIR has posted video of O’Reilly’s disgraceful position, with the gloating title: O’Reilly Supports Charges in Quran Vandalism Case.

I'm a longtime O'Reilly fan, and have agreed in the past with a lot of his positions. But this one has definitely turned me off. Anymore, it's sitting around watching the body language expert (which I assume must've been some drunken bar-bet gone horribly awry) waiting for Hannity and Colmes Skeletor for the intelligent conversation.

38 tupac23x  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:02:04pm

re: #16 Charles

re: #16 Charles

As I posted last night, the last shreds of my respect for O'Reilly evaporated during that show.

Agreed. He really tried to get over on Michelle. As usual, (HA!) her superior intellect carried the day, but O'Reilly, while often on the right side of many issues that matter to the lizard community, absolutely destroyed his credibility by basically dismissing "Piss Christ" and other egregious examples of "hate crimes" that have been committed by the, ahem, "progressives" and likely their Islamist cohorts. (Alleged Swastikas at Pace U, etc)

Not once did he say that he didn't believe the young man deserves jail time. Not once. He vehemently held his ground that this was a hate crime.

O'Reilly can kiss my a$$. The definition of a useful idiot.

39 rappmandu  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:02:19pm

Never could stand O'Reilly or his schtick. He is such an extremist about being "moderate." Smug and self-satisfied, too.

40 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:02:33pm

re: #29 MJ

Hopper claimed that the Koran's were taken from the Muslims.

Do we know if those books were Dawa yet?

If not, didn't Pace own the books and not "the Muslims"?

I noticed his statement on that was carefully crafted. he said something like, "He didn't do it to his own copy of the Quran. He stole qurans."
He doesn't say who they were stolen from (a student, The university, etc). It's still quite possible they were free for the taking.

41 deltafox  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:02:46pm

Is Hooper an Arab?

42 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:02:57pm

re: #30 Midwestprof

O'Reilly's "Culture Quiz" shtick is the pits!

43 pegcity  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:03:44pm

I saw Hitch in person, he is awesome

44 Angel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:03:44pm

re: #37 Sodra Djavul

Meanwhile, Bill O’Reilly handed CAIR a big propaganda win last night, by supporting the hate crime charges against Stanislav Shmulevich; CAIR has posted video of O’Reilly’s disgraceful position, with the gloating title: O’Reilly Supports Charges in Quran Vandalism Case.

I'm a longtime O'Reilly fan, and have agreed in the past with a lot of his positions. But this one has definitely turned me off. Anymore, it's sitting around watching the body language expert (which I assume must've been some drunken bar-bet gone horribly awry) waiting for Hannity and Colmes Skeletor for the intelligent conversation.

As long as CA-IR sees enemies in our own midst...we are doomed.
Every American or European who sanctions them have blood on their hands...
O'Reilly should have trouble sleeping tonight...

45 nimda  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:04:10pm

re: #41 deltafox

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

46 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:04:40pm

I love Hitch contrasting the tortured, "semi-literate" language of the New York Hate Crimes law with the clear words of the 1st Amendment.

47 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:05:24pm

re: #33 Mike C.

That's why I switched to blogs and print media years ago. Sadly the only news program that isn't a shouting match is the Lehrer News Hour on PBS.

48 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:05:32pm

re: #41 deltafox

Is Hooper an Arab?

I highly doubt it.

49 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:06:07pm

re: #43 pegcity

I saw Hitch in person, he is awesome

Hitch would be great to have a few beers with.

50 Angel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:06:07pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout


Not to mention that Mr CA--IR claims if this happened with Stans own Kurrran in the public sphere..it wouldnt be a prob to Mussslims..

Since when!

51 Sodra Djavul  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:06:09pm

OT

I caught the the Savage show about halfway, and he was ranting about some sort of privacy invasion. Any idea what that was all about tonight?

52 Beagle  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:06:19pm

If you're interested in the best propaganda term to come around in a long time, search: "Runnymede Trust Islamophobia". I believe they cooked up the term in 1997 for the EU. What's really funny is that by their criteria the most Islamophobic people in the world are fundamentalist/Salafist/Wahhabi/jihadi types. They've gotten enormous mileage out of playing the victim and the serial killer at the same time.

"Islamophobia"

1) Islam is seen as a monolithic bloc, static and unresponsive to change.
2) Islam is seen as separate and 'other'. It does not have values in common with other cultures, is not affected by them and does not influence them.
3) Islam is seen as inferior to the West. It is seen as barbaric, irrational, primitive and sexist.
4) Islam is seen as violent, aggressive, threatening, supportive of terrorism and engaged in a 'clash of civilisations'.
5) Islam is seen as a political ideology and is used for political or military advantage.
6) Criticisms made of the West by Islam are rejected out of hand.
7) Hostility towards Islam is used to justify discriminatory practices towards Muslims and exclusion of Muslims from mainstream society.
8) Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural or normal.


For example, start at number one. Anyone who says Islam can be changed is guilty of innovation or bida* and could be creeping up on shirk. In other words, Islam is "monolithic... and unresponsive to change" according to Muslims.

Put simply, any useful change in Islam from the standpoint of its intended victims will be attacked as bida if not shirk.

#2 Of course Muslims view us as "the other" living in the "House of War." Talk about glass houses, stones, yadda.

#3 Iran just sentenced two journalists to death after Saudi Arabia killed a teen female maid. "Primitive"? Nah, more barbaric.

Yeah, number four is a real howler. Don't trust you're lying eyes, kuffar!

*Second listing after "innovation bida" search.

53 nimda  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:07:10pm

re: #48 Mandy
He's from Bosnia, see my previous post.

54 Shug  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:07:23pm

re: #49 Joel

re: #43 pegcity


I saw Hitch in person, he is awesome

Hitch would be great to have a few beers with.


Doug Hooper is a very common arab name


/

55 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:07:50pm

re: #48 MandyManners

re: #41 deltafox

Is Hooper an Arab?

I highly doubt it.

(Doug) Hooper is of Bosnian descent who converted to Islam. Most converts to Islam are life's losers.

56 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:07:54pm

O'Reilly's biggest problem is he's a legend in his own mind. The sad part is it undermines the really good causes that he and he alone has pursued using syndicated TV: activist judges, KKKos, child protection laws.

57 Geepers  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:08:15pm

deltafox (#41),

Is Hooper an Arab?

Nope.

Ibrahim Hooper (aka Doug Hooper) Bosnian American convert to Islam
58 deltafox  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:08:48pm

re: #45 nimda

re: #41 deltafox

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thanks

59 Thor-Zone  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:09:06pm

O'Riley is a dope. He is wrong on this, he is wrong about how the price of oil is set and he is wrong on a number of other issues. I'm with Charles...any shred of respect I had for Mr. O'Riley is rapidly leaving the room

60 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:09:25pm

re: #54 Shug

Speaking of Arabic/Islamic names - how many different ways have you ever seen Muhammad written as - Mohammed, Mohamed, Mohamet, etc.?

61 justamomof4  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:10:49pm

Notable is the image of the white house behind Mr. Hooper. Another poster at LGF brought my attention to this image posted at CAIR's website:

And if you think I'm making this up, go here to the lower left sidebar and study the image of the U.S. capitol with gold dome and added minaret.

62 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:11:44pm

re: #59 Thor-Zone

O'Riley is a dope. He is wrong on this, he is wrong about how the price of oil is set and he is wrong on a number of other issues. I'm with Charles...any shred of respect I had for Mr. O'Riley is rapidly leaving the room

The only saving grace for me regarding O'Reilly is that Keith Olbermann hates his guts. O'Reilly is no conservative though that's for sure. He defended Dan Rather during the memogate affair 3 years ago. I wish that Mark Steyn or Tony Snow (health permitting and once he leaves the White House and the alas increasingly hapless George Bush Administration) would get his time slot.

63 Roger  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:12:15pm

IIRC, Hooper didn't get to yell over top of Dennis Miller.

64 bosforus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:12:28pm

heard a good quote today on a radio talk show from a father who lost a son in Iraq

I hate it everyday that my son died but I'd hate it even more if my country died.

compare that to Cindy Sheehan

65 zenren  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:12:49pm

I don't agree with dumping the Koran in the toilet (there are better ways to make a point) but it certainly should not be a felony. It's the blatant hypocrisy here that just drives me crazy. Muslims want us to respect Islam. Okay, well, respect is a two way street. When Jews can visit Saudi Arabia or when being a Christian or animist doesn't mark you for death in certain Muslim countries, maybe I'll try a little harder to be respectful. I find the genocide in Darfur, the subjugation of women, and suicide bombers a tad more offensive than a Koran in the toilet. But hey, that's just me.

66 mrfocus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:13:33pm

re: #59 Thor-Zone

O'Riley is a dope. He is wrong on this, he is wrong about how the price of oil is set and he is wrong on a number of other issues. I'm with Charles...any shred of respect I had for Mr. O'Riley is rapidly leaving the room

Bill O's gig is dying.

67 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:13:56pm

Islamophobia - the fear of people who want to slit your throat.

68 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:14:24pm

I think Laura Ingraham would be far more effective as a talk show host than O'Reilly is in his wildest dreams.

She is simply much more intelligent, more interesting and far more humble.

69 Carridine  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:14:41pm

re: #8 29Victor

This guy isn't worthy of the name Mr. Hooper.

Victor, "Ibrahim" also sullies the name of William Hooper, one of the original Signers of the Declaration of Independence, and a true patriot whose suffering after and because of that signing, are truly inspiring!

/Sesame Street 'Mr Hooper' likewise outshines Islamic Toady 'Hoppity Halfwit Hooper'

70 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:14:51pm

make that tv talk show host.

71 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:16:47pm

Face it...there's no money in the truth...that's why it is hard to find.

72 Thor-Zone  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:16:56pm

60 Joel

Speaking of Arabic/Islamic names - how many different ways have you ever seen Muhammad written as - Mohammed, Mohamed, Mohamet, etc.?

Apparently they have never mastered the art of spelling.

73 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:17:28pm

Geraldo Rivera, (the TV guy who bears an uncanny resemblance to 1970's porn star Harry Reems) is another asshole whom Fox insists on foisting upon us, probably wants to put the guy to death for dunking the Koran in the can. The guy laughed at the idea that the Flying Imams would pose a danger to anybody. I cannot lose respect for Geraldo Santana Banana since I never had any respect for him to begin with.

74 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:18:13pm

re: #72 Thor-Zone

Or of general hygiene.
How many differnet ways can you spell Khadafy?

75 tupac23x  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:18:34pm

As for these CAIR snakes, my blood boils anytime I even see either Nihad Awad or Ibrahim Hooper. They are scum. They are devoted Fifth-Columnists, Islamists and mortal enemies of the United States. (but best pals with

If I say I hate them, is that a crime yet? And yes, I'm aware that "hating" is generally discouraged, but I can't sit and smile about this. They hate us. They are trying to chip away at the foundation, year by year. It has been said many times that the Islamists are deeply patient. They are confident that they will succeed and don't mind if it's 20 or 50 years from now, they will continue to chip away until they draw their last breath, which I hope is much, much sooner that 2057 or even 2027.

Death to Jihad.

76 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:19:26pm

re: #68 goodbye_natalie

On Fox I like Jule Banderas as well.

77 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:19:38pm

re: #73 Joel

I was about the same time that O'Reilly starting foisting Deepthroat Rivera and the Rev. Al on us that The Factor took a turn for the worse.

78 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:20:38pm
79 screaming_eagle  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:20:40pm

re: #71 storagemanager

There is money in contraversy.

80 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:20:49pm
81 Thor-Zone  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:20:57pm

74 Joel

How many differnet ways can you spell Khadafy?

I don't know...I've seen at least 6 or 7 ways.

82 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:21:08pm

re: #53 nimda

re: #48 Mandy
He's from Bosnia, see my previous post.

Too bad we can't ship him back.

83 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:21:08pm
In reality, someone kindly alerted me to the existence of the comment shortly after it was posted, and I removed it and banned the poster. The comment itself seemed to me and to others who posted on the same thread to have been written by a provocateur -- someone who wanted to discredit Jihad Watch and me by planting a comment here. Such people come through here fairly often. And now, after Hooper's use of this comment despite its being deleted, I suspect that even more strongly that it was written by a provocateur.

I allow comments here because I believe in free speech and free inquiry. But in reality, I don't endorse any of them. Some I agree with, some I don't, some are brilliant, some are not, some apologize for jihad and defend jihadists, and some are extremely angry with jihadists -- but no one can legitimately assume that I endorse any of them unless I say so.

It happens here to. [Link: jihadwatch.org...]

84 ctrlL  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:21:36pm

16 Charles

Are we observing an early St. Patrick's Day ?

Guess I missed the 'greening of things' over the last few days. ?

/Many blessings to Charles O'Johnson ... and his Lizard Mc Minions

85 Ayazheniangel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:21:43pm

OT

Some one please help me find info on ron paul and why he is a nut.
My husband has a co worker who is a liberal and wants my husband to like Ron Paul..know what I mean?!

I can't find anything to print out on his views.

Thanks for any help and sorry for the OFF Topic!

86 cookielady  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:21:52pm

re: #67 Joel

Islamophobia - the fear of people who want to slit saw off your throat head.


Fixed.

87 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:21:55pm

re: #55 Joel

Did he convert here or before he came over?

88 MacGregor  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:22:06pm

Something tells me o'reilly thinks this crime equals muslims drawing swastikas. Both parties hate, only this poor guy got caught. Maybe o'reilly's priority is stopping hate in general?

/trying to give a little benifit of doubt

89 Highrise  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:22:12pm

re: #56 goodbye_natalie

O'Reilly's biggest problem is he's a legend in his own mind. The sad part is it undermines the really good causes that he and he alone has pursued using syndicated TV: activist judges, KKKos, child protection laws.

Yeah I have to agree and he's getting worse about it. I began to slide to the side of not liking him due to his support of the border legislation that didn't even address his major complaints he spends precious airtime exposing...and he seems to be caving into the leftists evil agenda that says he's not *fair and balanced*. He should have stood firm to what he stated that the far right is not funded nor as numerous.

I view people skeptically by nature, but I definitely filter his commentary a bit more stringent than I do Glenn Beck after this and the border bill support that flopped (bill o'rielly's staff that is reading this..do your homework a bit better...even a moron could have seen that the bill wouldn't have passed).

I also agree with you on hitchens...he's not too far above hooper in my book and you won't hear me singing his praises either even if he got a good one liner in.

90 Sodra Djavul  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:22:15pm

re: #75 tupac23x

As for these CAIR snakes, my blood boils anytime I even see either Nihad Awad or Ibrahim Hooper.

I personally refer to Nihad as Nihad F**kwad. But that's just me.

91 Ma Sands  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:23:57pm

I have not seen or heard this addressed anywhere yet, concerning Mr. Stanislav Shmulevich's actions with those korans:


intimidate:

1. persuade or dissuade by fightening: to persuade somebody to do something or dissuade somebody from doing something by frightening him or her, for example, by means of violence or blackmail

2. daunt: to create a feeling of fear, awe, or inadequacy in somebody

92 screaming_eagle  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:24:05pm

re: #85 Ayazheniangel

Try his campaign website.

93 infopimp  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:24:11pm

O’Reilly jumps the shark!

94 Highrise  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:24:55pm

re: #68 goodbye_natalie

I think Laura Ingraham would be far more effective as a talk show host than O'Reilly is in his wildest dreams.

She is simply much more intelligent, more interesting and far more humble.

I think her and Michelle Malkin would be a formidable force in this realm.

95 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:25:21pm

Perhaps somebody here can explain to me O'Reilly's mind bending analogies about specificity concerning hate crimes. Two nights in a row I have listened, tonight closely, and still have no earthly idea what his stupid analogies are supposed to convey.

96 Sodra Djavul  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:25:58pm

Here's an interesting twist on the Stanislav Shmulevich persecution:

As a legal immigrant, if he were convicted of a felony for dunking a Quran, would he be deported?

97 tupac23x  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:26:08pm

PIMF:

AND pals with the hard left.

98 thebigolddog  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:26:18pm

Charles, did you happen to capture Mark Steyn on H&C tonight regarding this case? He was outstanding as always and set Colmes straight on CAIR.

99 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:26:43pm

re: #60 Joel

re: #54 Shug

Speaking of Arabic/Islamic names - how many different ways have you ever seen Muhammad written as - Mohammed, Mohamed, Mohamet, etc.?


IRONY METER PEGGED:

You can't spell his name without the word HAM in it.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

100 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:26:46pm

re: #94 Highrise

Dang Highrise. Two in a row we've agreed. That is close to making us kin.

Where you been recently?

101 the_flying_pig  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:26:48pm

I only hope Christopher Hitchens can successfully roast and burn Bill O'Reilly that no other guest of O'Reilly could ever done before.

102 Geepers  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:26:57pm

Ayazheniangel (#85),

This was published today:

That Old-Time Religion
The Ron Paul temptation.

Background:
Ron Paul

103 Tupac23X  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:28:05pm

re: #90 Sodra Djavul

re: #75 tupac23x

As for these CAIR snakes, my blood boils anytime I even see either Nihad Awad or Ibrahim Hooper.

I personally refer to Nihad as Nihad F**kwad. But that's just me.

Sounds good to me! (Has a certain ring to it)

~@:^{>

104 Ma Sands  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:28:13pm

re: #99 blue_like_jazz

OT:

Did you catch everybody's links yesterday, and did you do well in the discussion you were having on the other site? :)

105 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:28:58pm

re: #101 the_flying_pig

I don't think O'Reilly will have Hitch on. Bill calls him a bomb-thrower.

106 Cartman  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:29:47pm

O'Reilly lost me a long time ago. He's become a media enigma. I don't at all attempt puzzles that I know I cannot solve.

107 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:30:18pm

re: #105 justadot

Hitch would eat Bill's lunch for him.

108 Highrise  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:30:30pm

re: #100 goodbye_natalie


It's summer so that makes me more busy with the toddler. I had her recently in swim classes and just took a trip to my parents' house with the family. I have to fly to NY in October for hubby's family trip...I'm not happy about flying and will leave the plane if something doesn't smell right.

I also am trying out LOTR online with some of my free time if you could call it that hehe.

109 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:30:33pm

/
so i'm torn, do i continue to shop a lowes?

110 Ayazheniangel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:30:37pm

re: #92 screaming_eagle

re: #85 Ayazheniangel

Try his campaign website.


I'm looking for stuff like this.
911truth.org

111 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:31:00pm

re: #105 justadot

LOL. I hope that's not the reason but you're probably right.

That's why O'Reilly brings on Rev. Al as a frequent guest. He needs the Rev. to help keep the peace.

112 phoenixgirl  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:31:02pm

re: #109 phoenixgirl

at

113 Ayazheniangel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:31:45pm

re: #102 Geepers

Thanks I'm reading them now.

114 mich-again  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:32:30pm

O'Reilly and dead oppossums. Always found in the middle of the road.

115 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:32:32pm

9/10 of O'Reilly's success is due to FOX. He thinks it's the other way around.

116 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:32:39pm

re: #107 MandyManners

Yep. Smell of fear.

117 easy  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:33:16pm

Hate is an emotion, not a crime.

118 blue_like_jazz  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:34:31pm

re: #104 Ma Sands


ma... caught the linkage and bookmarked them all! unfortunately, the thread was locked due to some personal attacks, but i at least got two great links up there for posterity.

thanks for asking! =)

119 storagemanager  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:34:47pm

re: #115 goodbye_natalie

9/10 of O'Reilly's success is due to FOX. He thinks it's the other way around.

He plays to the middle...never takes a side...easy money.

120 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:34:50pm

re: #111 goodbye_natalie

I know you're not fond of Hitch. But I once saw Hitch hit back at Rev. Al for not using the word "devolve" correctly. One of the funniest bits I've seen, think it was msnbc few years ago.

121 njdhockeyfan  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:35:24pm

re: #85 Ayazheniangel

OT

Some one please help me find info on ron paul and why he is a nut.
My husband has a co worker who is a liberal and wants my husband to like Ron Paul..know what I mean?!

I can't find anything to print out on his views.

Thanks for any help and sorry for the OFF Topic!

Try this one from today...

Ron Paulism: Moral and Intellectual Confusion

122 mich-again  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:35:30pm

re: #115 goodbye_natalie

So true.

123 Sodra Djavul  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:36:01pm

re: #108 Highrise

re: #100 goodbye_natalie

I also am trying out LOTR online with some of my free time if you could call it that hehe.

Personally, I'm a huge fan of Eve Online. If you like space games, this has got to be at least worth a trial...

124 Highrise  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:38:22pm

And since I hope O'reilly's staff is reading this...

DUMP that Mary K. youngun that is a so called internet expert. I could even make better points than her. Every time she is on she acts like a giggling school girl and can't make points very well. It's really unprofessional and makes it almost look like he has her on for her looks instead of brains. Have her look you up Bill in about 6 yrs when she can act a little more serious.

Trying to look out for you a little.

PS. And you got to be kidding me about giving geraldo a platform. Now Dennis Miller was a good call.

125 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:39:23pm

re: #77 goodbye_natalie

The only timethat O'Reilly is worth watching is wwen Dennis Miller or DickMorris or Bernie Goldberg is on.

126 Tasty Beverage  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:39:55pm

Laura Ingraham has been invited to guest host in Paula Zahn's time-slot for a week. She's thinking it over, and the moonbats are not happy. I think she could sink O'Reilly if CNN actually hired her on to do her own show, and then we'd have some interesting ratings battles between CNN and FOX.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

127 J.S.  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:40:28pm

As someone else has mentioned the "debate" simply dissolved into a shouting match, "a national disgrace." In terms of substance (or the "arguments") Hooper didn't have a leg to stand on -- whether it was defining "hate crime" or attempting to make some pathetic plea about Muslim students being "intimidated" (really, what a joke -- yeah, like putting a Koran in a toilet creates a "threat"? maybe for the janitor, but for Muslims? I don't think so. If you're "threatened" I would think that there would have to be some immediate face-to-face threat of serious bodily injury or harm of some sort -- no such thing took place with the Koran in the toilet of a washroom.)

But, the problem with this debate was that Hooper was able to lead and direct the "debate". Through his interruptions he could direct where the questions led (eventually to the concluding, disparaging remarks about "hate" directed against Muslims/Jihadwatch, etc.) Thus Hooper was able to orchestrate the debate. (I believe that CAIR has prearranged their 6 "talking points" -- and Hooper harps on these. In one sense, Hooper "won" the debate (not in terms of substance, but in "getting out the message" -- the propaganda lies, the emotional junk -- that Muslims are "persecuted", Muslims are "hated", horrible things are done to Muslims, Muslims are victims, Muslims suffer, Muslims are "intimidated", etc., etc., or what Liberals feed on.)

Sometimes I think it's better not to give air time to CAIR clowns.

128 Ma Sands  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:40:31pm

re: #118 blue_like_jazz

Good. Thank you for responding. You did well.

129 Highrise  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:42:00pm

re: #123 Sodra Djavul

Personally, I'm a huge fan of Eve Online. If you like space games, this has got to be at least worth a trial...

I have heard nothing but great stuff about that Eve game. I did try it out but only for 30 mins. I have a real hard time learning games unless they are dummy proof. Got a toddler and boy is she active. Eve's interface and introduction was too busy to pick u with my limited time. Pre baby I sure would have loved to learn it though :) .

I used to play games a lot like everquest, wow, eq2 and a few others..but babe changed everything...and how!

130 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:43:16pm

O'Reilly also was too interested in Rosie O'Donnell's rantings and actually said that Disney (which owns ABS) wanted to get rid of her because parents would boycott Diseny World. That's a bit of a stretch!

131 sandspur  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:43:28pm

17 Mike C

would that philosopher by any chance be Pogo?

132 Ma Sands  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:44:05pm

re: #120 justadot

That's the first time I have actually seen Mt. Hitchens --my first thought was, oh how I wish C.S. Lewis was still alive --those two would have a good old time debating! :)

133 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:44:39pm
134 wiles  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:44:45pm

The sociopath Hooper reminds of watching Crossfire in the 80s and listening to the apologists for the Soviet Union trying to come off as civilized and yearning for liberty and freedom, when in reality they were tyrannical pricks who couldn't abide the thought that anyone might have an individual thought or desire. F*ck 'em.

135 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:45:07pm

Thank you Charles for putting up the vids, I'll watch them in a second. I don't have cable and I refuse to pay for commercial television. I could very easily steal/pirate a cable feed, but doing so would be to admit they had something worth stealing. Oh, and it's illegal, so I don't do it.

/rant

I still remember how the Cable execs. sold the idea back in the '80s:

CONSUMER: Why on earth would I pay for television programming when I already get it for free?

CABLE EXECS.: The reason is simple. The programming you currently enjoy is paid for by commercials. Our networks will be completely free of commercials and thereby require a membership fee to cover our costs, not to mention the fact that our programming will be of high quality and free from the kind of 'censorship' that you find in commercial television.

Fast forward to the here and now and what do we have? Cable channels that you pay for; full of commercials, lousy programming, and just as censored as the free stuff. No thanks, I'll save that money for an internet connection. I get better entertainment and info there anyway.

/rant off

136 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:45:10pm

re: #126 Tasty Beverage

Laura Ingraham has been invited to guest host in Paula Zahn's time-slot for a week. She's thinking it over, and the moonbats are not happy. I think she could sink O'Reilly if CNN actually hired her on to do her own show, and then we'd have some interesting ratings battles between CNN and FOX.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

CNN would never hire a true conservative like Ingraham. They prefer pseudo conservatives types such as Tucker Carlson. If CNN did hire Ingraham then Olbermann would spew more venom then a spitting cobra.

137 Atman  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:45:20pm

re: #24 Bosforus
Try this. Move the slider half way...

138 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:46:05pm

re: #134 wiles

The sociopath Hooper reminds of watching Crossfire in the 80s and listening to the apologists for the Soviet Union trying to come off as civilized and yearning for liberty and freedom, when in reality they were tyrannical pricks who couldn't abide the thought that anyone might have an individual thought or desire. F*ck 'em.

Yeah people such as Bill Press and Bob Beckel.

139 mich-again  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:46:31pm

Funny how the radicals always use "the system" when its helps advance their cause. And then they crap all over it whenever it doesn't.

140 therewaslight  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:47:10pm

Spencer - Jihad Watch - on Hooper's gutless defamation of him

Prager and Hitchens shredded Hooper, and it is all worth seeing, but Hooper went out of his way to defame me about 4:30 into this segment, and so I felt it incumbent upon me to answer. He quoted a genocidal comment that was made on this website yesterday, and made it appear as if I had written it. (Prager would have none of it, and spoke highly of Jihad Watch, for which I thank him.) In reality, someone kindly alerted me to the existence of the comment shortly after it was posted, and I removed it and banned the poster. The comment itself seemed to me and to others who posted on the same thread to have been written by a provocateur -- someone who wanted to discredit Jihad Watch and me by planting a comment here. Such people come through here fairly often. And now, after Hooper's use of this comment despite its being deleted, I suspect that even more strongly that it was written by a provocateur.

Wow, I would never expect anyone with the tiniest relationship to CAIR to do something like that.

with Hitchens on Hooper must have known he was going to get shredded.

perhaps he wanted one last cheap shot at his nemesis Spencer before he became the laughing stock of American news TV.

Pathetic.

141 OtisMyMan  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:47:42pm

re: #94 Highrise

re: #68 goodbye_natalie

I think Laura Ingraham would be far more effective as a talk show host than O'Reilly is in his wildest dreams.

She is simply much more intelligent, more interesting and far more humble.

I think her and Michelle Malkin would be a formidable force in this realm.

Laura said on her show this morning that she had been offered the time slot opposite O'Reilly on CNN for 4 weeks. I hope she takes it, blows him out of the ratings water and then takes over his slot on Fox. Smarmy problem solved!

142 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:49:26pm

re: #133 ploome hineni

Dick Morris is quite interesting to watch. He is often wrong in his predictions (such as a Hillary/Condi Rice race) but he always makes a lot of good points. He prefers Huckabee (who is a good man) but has zero chance, but I suspect would be happy with my guy Rudy Giuliani.

143 Highrise  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:49:53pm

re: #125 Joel

The only timethat O'Reilly is worth watching is wwen Dennis Miller or DickMorris or Bernie Goldberg is on.

Agreed. They are very enjoyable guests. His saving grace to me is those guests and also what he's done for jessica's law and coming down on judges which seem to me..going unchecked. I dislike alot of what comes out of Dr. Laura's mouth but I stand by her when it comes to being a child advocate.

===

re: #126 Tasty Beverage

Laura Ingraham has been invited to guest host in Paula Zahn's time-slot for a week.

Whoa...I need to pay attention to that one. Maybe I should email Laura and tell her I hope she takes it.

144 Egfrow  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:51:43pm

Charles,

You are the one who has brought this issue to the front of the MSM. You will not be regarded by them at all nor receive any credit. This is fine. They will in the very near future be will be begging for your love and attention. The rules of the game are changing going to change and they are fighting at every step in futility.

145 Highrise  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:53:00pm

re: #142 Joel

Yeah Dick Morris makes good points that others don't think of making. Plus, a part of me likes to hear the stuff he knows about the Clintons...I read one of his books and it was as I suspected them to be..but was interesting to see a story told.

Oh, don't forget, CNN on their HN channel did hire Glenn Beck...so it's quite possible that is why they are checking out the conservative territory...even if it's dipping their toe to get it wet for a little green :P .

146 Ma Sands  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:53:06pm

re: #132 Ma Sands

PIMF..."Mr." Hitchens!

147 Cobra  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:53:23pm

And, as usual, comments are disabled.
What are these chickenshits afraid of?

148 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:54:04pm

re: #143 Highrise

CNN (and MSNBC's) idea of a conservative is Tucker Carlson, Joe Scarborough, David Gergen, Robert Novak (a huge Israel hater), George Will (who is happy to be in the minority as long as he gets invited to the best parties in Georgetown) and the odious, execrable Pat Buchanan.

149 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:55:03pm

re: #132 Ma Sands

Yes Often thought that, and I like C.S. The debate would be instructive to all. Maybe even book-worthy. I've seen Hitch deride C.S. but never any specific criticisms. Need to do so more looking.

150 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:55:42pm

re: #120 justadot

I'll bet that was pretty funny. When I look at Rev. Sharpton, I know exactly what devolve really means. He's living proof.

151 Nim Chimpsky  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:55:44pm

O'Reilly is intent on showing that he is a contrarian. His egomania shows no limits, as evidenced by last night's segment on the Koran dunking. His guest made several excellent points, which he blithely ignored. He seemed to have forgotten that a Koran is still just a book, not a person. Hate crimes are committed against people, not inanimate objects.

152 Cobra  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:56:11pm

re: #147 Cobra

Huh? The link title reverted to it's original form.

153 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:56:19pm

re: #145 Highrise

You are right. I forgot about Glenn Beck. However for every Glenn Beck they have the hideous curmudgeon Jack Caffferty.

154 Highrise  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:57:09pm

re: #153 Joel

Hey, I'm still shocked that Beck got hired there. I think the people who made the big decisions were asleep /snicker .

155 wiles  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:58:58pm

#138 Joel

Yeah people such as Bill Press and Bob Beckel.


Indeed, and also the Soviet press reps. There was this one Russian guy -- can't recall his name -- who sounded as English as Bob Novak, who in the process was able to give the impression that he and the commies were just like Americans. It was noxious, and Hooper is doing the exact thing, only he is an American ... sort of.

156 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:59:39pm

re: #150 goodbye_natalie

Yeah. Hitch said it was "painful to listen to" him, "you don't even know the meaning of the word."

Earlier in the episode, the late Rev Falwell was on, and Hitch hit him for his 9/11 comments, I think. Rev Falwell was pretty apologetic, though. Long time ago, could be mis-remembering some things.

157 sandbox  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 7:59:54pm

Hitchen's column on Slate yesterday, Pragers' column today, and this debate on tv, are kind of ground-breaking. The point being that Islam cannnot hold itself above criticism. That people are just tired of being intimidated by the Islamists.

158 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:00:16pm

You guys actually like Dick Morris? I think he's so full of crap he's grown six inches since the Clinton regime. You talk about somebody talking out of both sides of his mouth. I've literally heard him change paths with a contrarian opinion opposing the view he took the sentence before...

However, he's pretty damn funny when he's knocking on Hillary Rotten so I still enjoy listening to him.

159 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:00:22pm

re: #154 Highrise

re: #153 Joel

Hey, I'm still shocked that Beck got hired there. I think the people who made the big decisions were asleep /snicker .

A lot of token conservatives who get hired by lefty outfits like CNN and MSNBC decide for whatever venal, careerists, decisions "to go native" and aftrer a while (think Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson and David Gergen) start sounding pretty left wing themselves. Maybe that was what CNN was hoping for.

160 wiles  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:02:38pm

Hooper is a thug -- in a weeny, slithery, sort of way. He was on Laura Ingraham a few weeks ago and was insufferable. You just wanna shake the guy to wake him up; to pull him out of his misery. The enemies of freedom have always used freedom to accomplish their dirty deeds.

161 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:02:45pm

re: #155 wiles

#138 Joel

Yeah people such as Bill Press and Bob Beckel.


Indeed, and also the Soviet press reps. There was this one Russian guy -- can't recall his name -- who sounded as English as Bob Novak, who in the process was able to give the impression that he and the commies were just like Americans. It was noxious, and Hooper is doing the exact thing, only he is an American ... sort of.

Vladimir Posner. Phil Donahue's buddy.

162 wiles  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:05:08pm

#161 Joel

Vladimir Posner. Phil Donahue's buddy.

That's him! Thanks!

163 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:07:04pm

re: #158 goodbye_natalie

Dick Morris makes me feel slimey after listening to him, but yeah, he's hard on Hill. That's about all I trust him for. He's been close to the Clintons, with them, and against him. He does know them up-close, and surely he knows he'll probably never be part of their inner sanctum again. As an tough old E-8 told me once, "Don't just burn your bridges, blow them the F up!"

164 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:07:13pm

Now that he is a full fledged member in good standing of the Bush Derangement Syndrome Brigade, Andrew Sullivan should be a favorite "conservative" of the MSM.

165 Highrise  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:08:48pm

re: #158 goodbye_natalie

Ohhh...I didn't say like did I? If so, slap me lol.

I think some of what he says *politically* is really a brilliant way to look at things. Another words, I never saw politics the same after listening to his analysis on a few things. I still use my skeptical filter when taking in his info.

As for his book I read from the library (no way would I have paid for it), I just had to know more in depth about hillary...and it was pretty fascinating and a good read.

166 Tasty Beverage  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:09:14pm

#136 Joel

If CNN did hire Ingraham then Olbermann would spew more venom then a spitting cobra.

I don't know if that's even possible at this point. Olby would just have an aneurism or be committed for his own personal safety. I'm thinking CNN is mulling over Ingraham because even though the people in charge are diametrically opposed to her politics, she could drain a significant portion of O'Reilly's remaining conservative viewers, and that means more advertizing bucks. I think it would be great to have an alternative to the FOX News tabloidathon they've been running for a couple of years now.

167 Moishe3rd  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:09:49pm

The thing is, as you watch Mr. Hooper, observe his body language and his intonation - he's just a shill for CAIR. He doesn't actually believe the BS he's spouting. Or, if he does, its strictly automatic - there is no thought involved. He is simply mouthing words and phrases as would a good automaton salesman.
In other words, it appears that the man has no soul.
I listen to Mr. Prager almost every day. I often find him pompous and self involved to the point of being boring. But he believes the things he says. He has a certain passion and he does indeed think upon most of what he says (as long as you don't get too specific about Judaism. He tends to be a tad "unclear" on that subject in spite of "having taught the Torah for 25 years...")
I love Christopher Hitchens. He is so snide, self-righteous and unpleasantly biting to his opponents. And, as he is totally, historically and factually, accurate regarding Islamic fascism, he is a pleasure to listen to. The man has soul. (Of course, his moronic views on religion in general are inane and his biting wit tends to sound like ignorant whining but, each to his own).
Hooper is creepy in his lack of conviction on his lifestyle of choice...

168 Highrise  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:10:29pm

re: #163 justadot


Dick Morris makes me feel slimey after listening to him, but yeah, he's hard on Hill. That's about all I trust him for. He's been close to the Clintons, with them, and against him.

Now if he turns up dead...

169 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:12:14pm

re: #166 Tasty Beverage

I like Fox News but they spend too much valuable time on the murder of the day stuff (Greta Van Sustern and O'Reilly) such as Natalee Holloway, Lacey Peterson, etc. That and all the Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan crapola.

I suspect that Olbermann will one day even go too far for leftwing MSNBC and say an unprintable word on air forcing PMSNBC to fire his lying ass. he can always go back to work in the Toy Departmetn (i.e. covering sports).

170 garycooper  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:13:17pm

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

"Woman raped before "honor killing": court"

This is from July 19, when I was on vacation and not checking the news, so sorry if it's been posted before. Kind of puts the right shine on Hooper's glossing-over of the misogyny inherent in Islam, which he claims "we discuss all the time, all the time."

Sure you do, Hoop.

171 winston06  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:13:19pm

Can I say I HATE CAIR? Is it PC to say so? :-)

172 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:14:16pm

re: #167 Moishe3rd

Hithcens also is not exactly a great friend of Israel although he has improved in that area. I think even he recognizes that his late friend Edward Said was a B.S. artist.

173 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:15:02pm

re: #168 Highrise

Oops, very bad dot. I meant to write:

He's been close to the Clintons, with them and against them.

Some bad comma usage, too. Pardon.

174 wiles  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:16:25pm

#167 Moishe3rd

Agreed all round.

175 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:18:24pm

I saw Hitchens once on Bill Maher's HBO show (Real Time?) tell the truth about the jihadists and Maher's audience started to snicker or boo and Hitchens disdainfully told Maher (and Maher's always stacked liberal guests on the panel) "You have a frivolous audience."

176 hiker  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:18:24pm

Hooper is a bleeding pile. Whenever he speaks something is subtracted from the sum total of human knowledge.

177 wiles  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:18:42pm

#171 winston06

Can I say I HATE CAIR? Is it PC to say so? :-)

Very un-PC, thus you should shout it from the rooftops.

178 mich-again  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:19:08pm

re: #151 Nim Chimpsky

He seemed to have forgotten that a Koran is still just a book

Eggs-actly. Nothing that you can buy at the mall can be a genuine "Holy" object.

179 hiker  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:23:36pm

If the koran in question was an English translation, it was -- according to moslems -- not a freal koran anyway, as only a koran written in Arabic can be a true koran. Thus, if the koran Stanislas dumped in the shitter was a translation there should be no issue at all with the moslems, and it certainly could not rise to the level of as hate crime.

180 Moishe3rd  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:24:32pm

re: #172 Joel

Hmmm... Hitchens was a friend of Said? I did not know that. I find that rather disturbing.
I have heard him speak well of Israel, he just hates Judaism. Hey! Maybe he is a Judeophobe as well as a Christophobe! He is certainly a Theophobe.
Oy.
Mr. Hitchens should live and be well. He should continue to speak the truth about Islamic fascism.

181 hiker  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:24:49pm

#179

Er, I meant to type "real" instead of "freal."

182 Moishe3rd  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:26:11pm

re: #174 wiles

Interesting. Thank you. Most people do not "agree all around" with the various viewpoints. Most take exception with something or other.
Be well.

183 Joel  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:26:42pm

re: #180 Moishe3rd

Hitchens has had his eyes opened after 9/11.

184 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:26:47pm

At least with Hitch, I know where I stand with him, even when I strongly disagree with him. I believe most, if not all, of his anti-Israeli stances come from his antipathy for religion in general. Not from anti-Semitism.

He believes in the freedom of expression. That's someone I do want on my side.

185 Cobra  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:27:20pm

re: #181 hiker

#179

Er, I meant to type "real" instead of "freal."

Heh. I thought it was a contraction for "for real"... f'real.

186 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:28:22pm

Hitchens has also been a long-time supporters of the Kurds, which is why he first got my attention years ago. Before 2001.

187 Josephine  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:30:02pm

Margaret Wente has an interesting column in the Globe & Mail that might be relevant to the issue of "hate crimes" and "Poop Koran":

[Link: www.rbcinvest.theglobeandmail.com...]

In politics, thou shalt not offend
By MARGARET WENTE
Tuesday, July 31, 2007 – Page A13

"...Here's what troubles me. The bar for speech that is construed as hateful, harassing, bigoted or discriminatory is moving ever lower... There are many morals to this story, but here's one. These days, victims finish first."

188 hiker  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:30:48pm

re: #185 Cobra

That would show much more originality and creativity than I possess. :)

189 mj  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:38:26pm

re: #16 Charles

As I posted last night, the last shreds of my respect for O'Reilly evaporated during that show.

And with that comment, I expect LGF will be featured as the next "Right-Wing Hate Site" on O'Reilly. The pettiness of that man is ubounded.

190 Slumbering Behemoth  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:45:25pm

"Let's see where the real intimidation is coming from..." For me, that's crux of the whole argument regarding this whole incident. I think we know the answer. Piss Christ? Meh. Poo Mary? Naught. Mohamed-bomb cartoon? Violent outrage! Need I go on?

Also "...but is it racist to fear an entire religious group"? Ignoring the racist overtones of Islam, race and religion are usually two separate things. To call criticism of Islam racist, to use the term 'Islamaphobia' in the context of racism, in my mind is as dishonest and as disingenuous as using the term 'reverse racism'.

Ugh! I can't believe that we are actually entertaining these kinds of lawsuits and discussions today in the land of my birth! What has happened to my country?

191 wiles  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:45:33pm
re: #172 Joel

Hmmm... Hitchens was a friend of Said?

He was (is?). Hitchens also frequently spoke out bitterly in the 80s against the Cold War and Reagan's fierce anticommunism. But he was always an attractive dude. You knew he was being honest, you liked his crankiness, and you suspected he might be half in the bag, and this made him someone that you might feel free to tell him he's full of sh*t to his face and he wouldn't mind; indeed, he'd expect it and possibly admire it. And thus it's been a thrill to have him come in on the side of humanity these past 6 or so years. He turned away from his "comrades" at the Nation, etc. Granted, he's also nuts in areas. Moreover, and more surprising to some, he's always been pro-life/anti-abortion. Fancy that.

192 wiles  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:46:28pm
Hmmm... Hitchens was a friend of Said?

He was (is?).

By "is" I meant that he may still defend Said's writings, even though he (Said) is dead.

193 SeattleSE  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:50:35pm

re: #31 screaming_eagle

re: #17 Mike C.

That. Plus you can just claim something and it is suppose to be fact. You don't need proof for anything.

All too true but can there be any doubt that they're simply giving the majority what they want and, therefore, deserve?

BTW, what show set the precedent here? CNN's Crossfire is the first shouting match as news program that I can recall. Were there others before them?

194 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 8:56:57pm

re: #193 SeattleSE

BTW, what show set the precedent here? CNN's Crossfire is the first shouting match as news program that I can recall. Were there others before them?

McLaughlin group was one. Big John was always a shouter.

195 Areopagitica  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 9:01:39pm

Okay, first off, this post is not offered for the purposes of practicing law and is not to be intended to be used as such. This whole issue has got my mind gears turning and I thought I'd look at the NY statutes that are involved here:

First off: The Criminal Mischief statute from the NY website:

§ 145.00 Criminal mischief in the fourth degree.
A person is guilty of criminal mischief in the fourth degree when,
having no right to do so nor any reasonable ground to believe that he
has such right, he:
1. Intentionally damages property of another person; or
2. Intentionally participates in the destruction of an abandoned
building as defined in section one thousand nine hundred seventy-one-a
of the real property actions and proceedings law; or
3. Recklessly damages property of another person in an amount
exceeding two hundred fifty dollars.
Criminal mischief in the fourth degree is a class A misdemeanor.


Okay, so we have all conceded that Shmulevich intentionally damaged the property belonging to PACE UNIVERSITY, not any one group or individual.

Step 2, here is the hate crime statute (abridged to remove offenses not at issue):

§ 485.05 Hate crimes.
1. A person commits a hate crime when he or she commits a specified
offense and either:
(a) intentionally selects the person against whom the offense is
committed or intended to be committed in whole or in substantial part
because of a belief or perception regarding the race, color, national
origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability
or sexual orientation of a person, regardless of whether the belief or
perception is correct, or
(b) intentionally commits the act or acts constituting the offense in
whole or in substantial part because of a belief or perception regarding
the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious
practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a person, regardless
of whether the belief or perception is correct.
2. Proof of race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion,
religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of the
defendant, the victim or of both the defendant and the victim does not, by itself, constitute legally sufficient evidence satisfying the
people's burden under paragraph (a) or (b) of subdivision one of this
section.
3. A "specified offense" is an offense defined by any of the following
provisions of this chapter: ... section 145.00 (criminal mischief in the fourth degree)...

A very interesting problem. Under a strict application of the statute, subsection (b), he could be found guilty since the hate crime section is very broadly worded. The underlying offense can be targeted at specific persons or in general can be motivated by one's attitude toward another religion. Maybe there is an attack that this violates the 1st amendment as applied to this case. perhaps one could say that the victim of the crime, PACE UNIVERSITY, does not have a religion since its a university and not a person or (2), if proceeding under subsection (a) were his acts targeted specifically at an indetifiable group of individuals. His admission to the security guard could get him in trouble but were his acts directed toward muslims in general with no real identifiable target individuals? This is going to be interesting from a legal standpoint to see it played out.

Shmulevich could have made everyone's life easier though by using his own copy of the Koran instead of the school's. Then there would be no chance of committing criminal mischief.

Don't get me wrong though, I still think CAIR sucks giant donkey balls though for its over the top efforts to make an example of this non-dhimmi and for the organizations anti-semitism and islamicism.

196 gringo  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 9:02:46pm

re: #17 Mike C.

The problem with these "modern" political "debate" shows is that any asshole is always allowed to talk over anybody else. Which is why I never watch them, even though they might supposedly be supporting a position I agree with. The whole format and show would get tossed out of a rural county high school JV debate meet. It's not like microphones can't be cut off or like "moderators" couldn't actually moderate.

So-called "political debate" shows in this country are a national disgrace. And the "stars" of these shows, left and right, are even worse. Screaming matches, pandering to the lowest common denominator.
___

I agree and that's why I don't watch them either. It's like an argument between children...disgusting.

197 J.S.  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 9:07:39pm

re: #180 Moishe3rd

See what Daniel Pipes says (re: Hitchens) on Pipes' web blog:
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

And 3 days after 9/11 Hitchens defamed Americans in an article in The Guardian.

198 Areopagitica  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 9:09:56pm

I would like someone to ask Hooper why Jews can't enter Saudi Arabia. That seems to contradict his stance that no one should be discriminated against. I want someone to ask him that on an on-air interview.

199 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 9:12:55pm

re: #46 justadot

I love Hitch contrasting the tortured, "semi-literate" language of the New York Hate Crimes law with the clear words of the 1st Amendment.

I laughed out loud at that one. Hitchens is brilliant with words. I don't agree with him most of the time, but he is truly brilliant with words.

200 eyore  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 9:19:43pm

O'Reilly is completely off his nut. Apparently he thinks that "letter of the law" trumps the Constitution. I will never watch his show again. I have lost all respect for him.

201 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 9:23:23pm

re: #95 goodbye_natalie

Perhaps somebody here can explain to me O'Reilly's mind bending analogies about specificity concerning hate crimes. Two nights in a row I have listened, tonight closely, and still have no earthly idea what his stupid analogies are supposed to convey.

I believe the NY "hate crime" law uses the word "specific" in it, as part of the description of what constitutes a hate crime, and I think O'Reilly is trying to justify his belief that this was a hate crime by using the same language as that in the law. In other words, he has just confused himself into justifying what he already believes to be true. Or something.

202 justadot  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 9:25:41pm

re: #199 reine.de.tout

Yeah, even when I disagree with him, I still want to hear what he has to say. Amazing gift for language.

203 NeoKong  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 9:30:13pm

I can't watch O'Reilly anymore because he is becoming such a pussy lately.

204 infidelboy  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:11:33pm

I like Hitchens; he can at least speak English well, knows his stuff, and to see Douggie get taken to task, especially by someone with the haram booze on his breath, is so great.

205 edomswim  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:25:17pm

I like how the dbag from CAIR quickly avoids the question about if it was a hate crime by bringing up another crime.

206 MJ  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:25:23pm

re: #195 Areopagitica

"Okay, so we have all conceded that Shmulevich intentionally damaged the property belonging to PACE UNIVERSITY, not any one group or individual. "

I don't think we know that yet.

207 sheik yer'mami  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 10:26:22pm

Hooper should be asked whether he, and CAIR, are willing to condemn terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hizballah. Because he just can’t bring himself to lie about that and say, “Yes.”

He can't.

His 'religion' doesn't allow him to criticize other Muhammedans, period.

208 Catttt  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:05:49pm

I really dislike Mr. Hooper. I see him as devious, sneaky, rude, and a known liar who wants our government to be Islamic.

The average person won't know who he is but will probably be just plain bored by him.

I love Mr. Hitchens. He is just about my favorite atheist. I think he is charismatic, in addition to being brilliant. He pretty much makes people like Mr. Hooper look like total defuses.

I wish the networks would quit having Mr. Hooper on. He's full of hot air and should be ignored. Of course, that won't happen.

209 savetheus  Tue, Jul 31, 2007 11:50:45pm

All these CAIR threads reminds me to provide a link to my favorite Anti-CAIR video.

It's Open Season on CAIR!

210 hurricane567  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 12:02:29am

So i walk into the break room at work and theres one of our short order cooks watching this exact thing on TV (no FNC where i work). She's watching mr hooper fly of the freaking handle and i walk up to her and say, "He should keep his mouth shut, CAIR is in enough trouble already."
"Oh, really? What for?"
"Well, seems CAIR, the group hooper works for, and some other guys were hustling money for widows and orphans in the middle east...and giving the money to terrorists like Osama bin laden."
Her eyes get big. "Aw, that's not good!"
"Yeah, well, uncle sam found out and now some members of CAIR are sitting in a federal courthouse in dallas, texas, trying to stay out of prison."
"Humph. I hope they throw the book at 'em."
And i walk out of the break room, my job done lol

211 ex cathedra  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 2:27:42am

Hooper said something important on that show. He said that islam is an ideology. We should hold him to that.

212 Andrew Ian Dodge  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 2:28:34am

That Hooper bloke has not clue about the Constitution does he? Where does it say Americans have the right not to be offended?

213 markie  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 3:15:25am

re: #209 savetheus

No bag limit!

Dougie Hooper, Nimrod Pantwad and the rest of those clowns have a lotta splainin' to do, but they keep sidestepping and talking around any tough questions, which don't happen often enough to suit me. Are these guys all lawyers? Their "membership" is dropping like the Klan's in the 70s. Their demise can't happen soon enough for me.

214 markie  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 3:17:41am

re: #212 Andrew Ian Dodge

That Hooper bloke has not clue about the Constitution does he? Where does it say Americans have the right not to be offended?

Oh that comes from listening to the politically correct liberal left. The same people that did away with scoring of school sports, so nobody would be on the losing side!

Even my kids thought that was lame...

215 ex cathedra  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 3:24:13am

re: #172 Joel

I think even he recognizes that his late friend Edward Said was a B.S. artist.

Oh, that Edward Said! I think he is with his friend Derrida right now.

216 ex cathedra  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 3:36:38am

re: #180 Moishe3rd

I have heard him speak well of Israel, he just hates Judaism. Hey! Maybe he is a Judeophobe as well as a Christophobe! He is certainly a Theophobe.
Oy.

You know, I like Hitchens all right when he is talking about islam. And he can be downright witty. I really liked the comment about the inane wording of the New York hate crime laws compared to the eloquent wording of the US Constitution. I chuckled to myself.

But I have my doubts about him. He used to be virulently anti-Israel. He has toned his rhetoric a bit since then. However, I am suspicious that he keeps mentioning his Jewish heritage as if it would exempt him from all criticism of his views on Israel. And then his brother in his article explains what exactly these Jewish roots amount to. The grandfather of his grandfather was Jewish. He is 1/16 Jewish. Even Hitler would give him a pass on that! I am convinced that the majority of Germans have something like 1/16th of Jewish blood, given that there has historically been such a large Jewish population in Germany and that successful Jews have been continually converting and marrying out of Judaism. Look at Goethe's portraits and death mask.

217 ex cathedra  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 3:52:38am

Here is another thought that struck me regarding the "hate crime" thing. I imagine myself a muslim (it's very hard, almost impossible to do, but I have a good imagination). Being a devout muslim, I would most certainly feel offended by the symbolic act of someone's throwing a Koran into a toilet. But what would satisfy me? If a person who did it was publicly upbraided. Another symbolic act - of censure. But not putting them in jail. It's a real act of cruel punishment that is incommensurate with the crime. It is just irrational and exaggerated. So even putting myself in teh shoes of muslims, I can neither justify nor understand it.

218 buzzdroid  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 5:14:08am

go Hitch!

hung over and as brilliant as ever.

219 Moishe3rd  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 6:52:00am

re: #197 J.S.

Oy.
That's painful. And I thought Mr. Hitchens had been using his querulous Magical Malicious Power for the cause of Good over Evil.
Your link to Daniel Pipes was a rude reminder that perhaps his whole cranky, sarcastic behavior is also a front...
Well, never mind. He still attacks the Islamo fascists and that is what is mainly needed in today's world.
Hey, if we can "ally" with the tribe of al-Saud, we can certainly ally with Hitchens.
Thanks for the link.
Be well.

220 ContraJihadi  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 7:34:14am

Hitch with his cool demeanor and quick ability to raise the counterexample is much more effective against a formula-fed mouthpiece like Hooper than a host of high pitched and gesticulating anchor wo/men or talk show hosts. If Hitch's talents are the result of his drinking, then I'll say as Lincoln said of Grant, "send him a case of his favorite Bourbon."

221 Josephine  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 8:34:24am

re: #216 ex cathedra

"The grandfather of his grandfather was Jewish."

My great-grandmother's great-grandfather was Jewish. I don't even know what percentage of Jewish that would make me. ; )

222 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 9:00:48am

Speaking of Hitch, here's a funny blast from the past:

Christopher Hitchens Forcibly Removed From Trailer Park After Drunken Confrontation With Common-Law Wife

SPARTA, TN–Noted author, social critic, and political gadfly Christopher Hitchens was once again the focus of controversy Monday, when he was forcibly removed from Happy Trails trailer park following a drunken confrontation with Noreen Bodell, 39, his common-law wife of 14 years.

Responding to a domestic-disturbance call, police arrived at the couple's double-wide trailer at approximately 2:15 p.m. to find Hitchens and Bodell throwing dishes at each other. When the officers attempted to remove Hitchens from the premises, the leftist intellectual became physically and verbally abusive toward the officers, calling them "shitkickers," "bitches," and "effete liberal apologists for the atrocities of late-stage capitalism."

Having consumed what sources described as "a substantial amount of single-malt scotch," Hitchens then burst into tears, yelling, "That woman never understood me for who I am. I want to talk to [Harper's editor Lewis] Lapham. Lapham's the only one who understands me."

Charged with disturbing the peace, Hitchens was taken to the Sparta police station at 3 p.m. and released four hours later...

223 BartlebyTheScrivener  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 9:19:55am

I've posted it before and I'll post it again, O'Reilly is a disingenuous, blowhard ratings whore. I cannot stomach the guy.

224 proud to be an infidel  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 10:25:09am

re: #30 Midwestprof

re: #16 Charles


As I posted last night, the last shreds of my respect for O'Reilly evaporated during that show.

I, however, try to catch O'Reilly each evening, at least for his opening segment. I believe his show has gone downhill since he introduced the "body language" lady and his "culture quiz." It reminds me of waiting in line at the grocery store and reading the headlines in the National Enquirer. Nevertheless, O'Reilly, or his guests, usually end up making some pretty good points on subjects I'm keenly interested in. So I watch.

I'm with you here Midwestprof. I was extremely disappointed with uncle Bill for his stance on this issue BUT for the most part, Bill has got it right. He constantly exposes liberal, anti-American newspapers for what they are and I am especially appreciative of him staying on Rosie O'Donnell's case every time she touts her crazy 9/11 theory and her constant lies and slander of U.S. troops.

I also love it when Bill takes on the ACLU and exposes them for their lies, double-standards and hypocrisy. This is not to mention his daily condemnation of the slanderous Daily Kos.

I don't agree with everything uncle Bill says but I think it's silly to discard somebody because we might disagree with one or two stances that they take. Especially if 80 or 90% of their viewpoints are in commensurate with what we believe. Considering that most of us here on the LGF forum are in the far right (but not radical right) category, you can't expect that everybody here will agree with ALL of O'Reilly's viewpoints on a show which has a motto of being "fair and balanced". With a motto like that, if he became too one sided, he'd be off the air.

So I am going to cut O'Reilly some slack on this one. I just think he's a good representative for conservative causes for somebody who gives consideration to both sides of an argument.

225 proud to be an infidel  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 10:45:28am

re: #19 Angel

re: #17 Mike C.


The problem with these "modern" political "debate" shows is that any asshole is always allowed to talk over anybody else. Which is why I never watch them, even though they might supposedly be supporting a position I agree with. The whole format and show would get tossed out of a rural county high school JV debate meet. It's not like microphones can't be cut off or like "moderators" couldn't actually moderate.

So-called "political debate" shows in this country are a national disgrace. And the "stars" of these shows, left and right, are even worse. Screaming matches, pandering to the lowest common denominator.

To quote one of the West's greatest philosophers, "I yam disgustipated !"


Dang youre so right.
everyone interupting...Hitch was the coolest when he sarcastically said:
I guess I'll wait my turn.

I really wish I would have seen that debate and I'm anxious to watch it. During his debates with Christians, Hitchens is also guilty of constantly interrupting his opponent. Something that really gets on my nerves. So I guess old Chris got a taste of his own medicine. Although I will side with Hitch in this particular debate.

An atheist like Chris Hitchens debating a CAIR representative is almost like MS-13 vs. al Qaeda!

226 baslimthecripple  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 10:59:06am

re: #103 Tupac23X
I thought Nihad Awad was what happened when you don't get laid for a month or six weeks, like a white out or swimmers in the anterior chamber. Otherwise, Hooper sound like Bill Clinton, you know he's lieing because his lips are moving.

227 bruxellesblog  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 11:28:08am
49 Joel 7/31/2007
Hitch would be great to have a few beers with.

A few beers? You'd better meet him at breakfast then.

228 Jed  Wed, Aug 1, 2007 2:40:21pm

Support hate speech charge at Pace? I'm through with O'Reilly.

229 NCusTranshumanist  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 2:51:06pm

After this and reading god is not Great, I'm officially a Hitchens fan.

He used to be a leftard, but he got better.


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