Hooper is a smear artist and a liar.

We used to call it "kill the man with the ball".

I think Spencer has a case for suing CAIR for slander.

Robert Spencer fights head on...and he does it in style...with teaching danger...not smears...it's why they fear him.

cair can go [deleted] a [deleted] until they have to [deleted] by [deleted] the [deleted] time they [deleted] to [deleted] straight.

Robert Spencer's website is one of the most important sites on the Internet. The world owes him a great debt.

#6 Pierre:
Be sure to film it, for greater leverage!

ya think Hooper's shot his bolt?

Or maybe he pressed the self-destruct button...

re: #8 Fjordman

Robert Spencer's website is one of the most important sites on the Internet. The world owes him a great debt.

Roger THAT, Fjordman!

I say lets teach some people about the danger of Islam...as Robert Spencer and Charles Johnson and too many to name here do everyday...without breaking one law.

Hoopie's a shit-throwing monkey.

C.A.I.R. either has someone watching Jihad Watch ocnstantly or has a Moby.

#12: Well, you in the US can still do that, but in Europe, criticizing Islamic or the immigration policies is increasingly banned by law. And you will be attacked, even physically, by Muslims or extreme Leftists if you try.

Islam is a vile evil cult stuck in the Dark Ages. CAIR and their apologists in the Democratic Party will be the first to cower when islam tries to take root in the US.

Vote Democrat and you vote surrender.

C.A.I.R. either has someone watching Jihad Watch ocnstantly or has a Moby.

You can bet that they have paid staff or volunteers to keep an eye on sites such as Jihad Watch and LGF.

The Ohio shopping mall bomb plotter pleads guilty Plus: Nancy Pelosi’s priorities Update: John Edwards is in a fluff!

She works hard...and breaks no laws. [Link: michellemalkin.com...] ...As do these folks. [Link: frontpagemag.com...] ..and [Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...] ..and [Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...] ... the list goes on...teach...simple.

re: #15 MandyManners

Nope, someone is watching that website. The sentiments expressed on Jihad Watch are all too real, no matter how vile they are. I think Jihad Watch would be a better site if they could get a moderator. Robert Spencer and crew are way too busy to monitor what crap some people post. I hope this little smear by "Honest" Ibe will convince them to get a moderator.

re: #18 Fjordman

I hope Hoopie sees my comment about his being a shit-throwing monkey.

KSTP-TV in Minneapolis reporting that the six Flying Imams will not sue the John Doe passengers.

re: #15 MandyManners

I don't doubt that somebody posted a comment to "kill all Muslims" on Jihad Watch. That junk happens at LGF on rare occasion as well. We need to slap it down when it rears it's ugly head. CAIR, to their credit, will use this to their advantage. This is like handing CAIR and Hooper a hammer with which he can hit you.

re: #20 marwan's daughter

Yeah. He needs a moderator.

I tried to watch the video of Hitchens & Hooper and as soon as Hooper opened his mouth I had to shut it off. I had never heard the guy speak before. GAH.

You do NOT whine over Christopher Hitchens. Especially when he's talking about language or the Constitution of his adopted country!

re: #23 ratherdashing

Oh, I believe the comment was made. I believe it was made by someone working for C.A.I.R..

re: #26 MandyManners

re: #23 ratherdashing

Oh, I believe the comment was made. I believe it was made by someone working for C.A.I.R..

As do I...they have been here too.

re: #7 ploome hineni

Seriously, WTF is the matter with GW and Condi? I expect such abject stupidity from the Donks, but from even marginal Republicans? Wow, just plain WOW.

Let the White House know what you think at comments@whitehouse.gov

re: #26 MandyManners

re: #23 ratherdashing

Oh, I believe the comment was made. I believe it was made by someone working for C.A.I.R..

How would we ever really know this?

The comment itself seemed to me and to others who posted on the same thread to have been written by a provocateur -- someone who wanted to discredit Jihad Watch and me by planting a comment here. Such people come through here fairly often. And now, after Hooper's use of this comment despite its being deleted, I suspect even more strongly that it was written by a provocateur.

this may be the case but I've seen the Koskidz use this same excuse countless times. They even sometimes blame me or Charles for planting "Flalse flags". Let's face it, there are nasty over the top comments all over the web. It must be a bitch to try to run a clean blog. LGF is much improved in this regard over the past few months. Although some people complain that we're not as free wheelin' as we used to be I think LGF is a better (and smarter) blog for it.

re: #16 Fjordman

So Fjordman, where do you think the U.S. is heading politically? Hillary Clinton recently indicated she's hoping to open a "Public Service" instituation a la France. Obama seems more of the mind-numbingly Swedish mindset of open borders and diplomacy while the country rots from within.

So, in our not so distant future, pending an earthquake, will be end up Western Europe of Central Europe?

re: #29 ratherdashing
How would we ever really know this?

Hooper just happened to know about exactly that single comment after it had been up for less than a day? Just in time to kvetch about it on TV?

re: #30 Killgore Trout
Robert...like Charles will not put up with that crap.

#28: You know, I'm almost reaching the conclusion that some of those crazy lefties may have been right for once; that many members of the Bush administration have too close personal and business ties to the Saudis to do anything substantial to confront Islam. The other alternative is that they are just plain stupid and don't have a clue about what's going on.

I'm not sure which scenario is scarier.

re: #31 Sodra Djavul

re: #16 Fjordman

So Fjordman, where do you think the U.S. is heading politically? Hillary Clinton recently indicated she's hoping to open a "Public Service" instituation a la France. Obama seems more of the mind-numbingly Swedish mindset of open borders and diplomacy while the country rots from within.

So, in our not so distant future, pending an earthquake, will be end up Western Europe of Central Europe?

PIMF

So, in our not so distant future, pending an earthquake, will we end up Western Europe or Central Europe?

re: #27 storagemanager

Are they the ones that post, "Nuke 'em all and shoot 'em in the dark.", all the time? 'Cuz I kinda like that kinda straight forward thinkin'.

Palestinians: IDF forces enter Ramallah, order PA security to vacate streets

Published: 08.01.07, 00:13 / Israel News

IDF forces entered Ramallah and ordered Palestinian security forces to vacate the city streets late Tuesday, Palestinian sources said.

A Palestinian security officer told Ynet that the IDF informed him that a large-scale security operation was planned.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

re: #33 storagemanager

Yes. Charles has been crystal clear on the topic.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Charles disapproves of kill em all

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Charles on advocating violence

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Charles on rounding up all...

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I've been visiting JW for quite some time.(It's how I found LGF). The number of comments and the short nasty emotional comments have very greatly increased the last month or so.

re: #21 MandyManners

re: #18 Fjordman

I hope Hoopie sees my comment about his being a shit-throwing monkey.

How 'bout "shit-slingin' monkey" Kind of rolls off the tongue easier.

re: #27 storagemanager

I hope some heads explode with outrage.

re: #34 Fjordman

The "plain stupid" is scarier. If it's business, at least you have some chance to persuade them with $$$'s or self-preservation. Stupidity, however, is incurable.

re: #29 ratherdashing

Beats me!

re: #34 Fjordman

A-feakin'-men 'bout the house of Saud.

Robert Spencer responds to CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper’s outrageous smears against him on CNN tonight: Jihad Watch: Spokesman for unindicted co-conspirator in terror group funding case defames Spencer on CNN.

And Mr. Spencer did a very good job of it too.

A national bookstore in my city .. places korans on the top shelf of the religious section of their bookstands.. I walk in about 2 times a week, move all korans to the bottom shelf.. without any damage or vandalism.. finish my shopping and leave.. after about 8 trips.. muslim books are now in an area with books on all levels of the shelves.. side beside other religions.. just like those of other religions.. it takes awhile but people can learn.

re: #36 BenZacharia

re: #27 storagemanager

Are they the ones that post, "Nuke 'em all and shoot 'em in the dark.", all the time? 'Cuz I kinda like that kinda straight forward thinkin'.

I was talking about the ones...that say...its not Islam...you are a bigot...when of course Islam is not a race.

re: #40 Cobra

re: #21 MandyManners

re: #18 Fjordman

I hope Hoopie sees my comment about his being a shit-throwing monkey.

How 'bout "shit-slingin' monkey" Kind of rolls off the tongue easier.

You're right!

Several years ago, I registered on a few different Muslim discussion boards and tried to engage Muslims in civil discussion. No matter how hard I tried to find common ground, the discussion always degenerated into anti-Semitic slurs and threats of violence. Then I was banned, usually without warning or explanation.

It's the height of hypocrisy when people like Hooper complain about "Islamophobia." He knows quite well that Muslim leaders disdain the West and non-Muslims. So much so, that they are willing to engage in this masquerade of victimhood.

"Kill them all" comments are (or were) standard fare on Muslim discussion boards. Heck, just before 1967 Arab leaders boasted about how they were going to "drive the Jews into the sea" and "meet for lunch in Tel Aviv."

Hooper, you are a liar, a hypocrite, and a racist.

I love the end when Hooper says "tell mr. spencer that" and Prager just blows him off and says "I will."

Slowly lure the enemy out into the open, then pick em off one by one.
CAIR is being exposed more and more everyday.

A great line from Mark Levin.
Who elected any of these twits to represent anybody.

Funny I was just talking abut planting comments last night. There must be a black market for it.

re: #38 ratherdashing

re: #33 storagemanager

Yes. Charles has been crystal clear on the topic.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Charles disapproves of kill em all

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Charles on advocating violence

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Charles on rounding up all...

And I agree with him...But CAIR uses the other ones also.

re: #32 Pawn of the Oppressor

Pawn,

Do we know if the comment was posted by a long time contributor or a recently registered nic? That may clarify this coincidence.

(headed over to Jihad Watch to satisfy my curiosity)

re: #47 BingoBunny

A national bookstore in my city .. places korans on the top shelf of the religious section of their bookstands.. I walk in about 2 times a week, move all korans to the bottom shelf.. without any damage or vandalism.. finish my shopping and leave.. after about 8 trips.. muslim books are now in an area with books on all levels of the shelves.. side beside other religions.. just like those of other religions.. it takes awhile but people can learn.

Way to go!

#31: I don't know. Currently the entire Western world seems to be sliding in the direction of Sweden, which is one of the reason why I have so far chosen to remain in Europe. First of all because I don't want to give up on Europe, and second of all because I'm not really sure whether you are that much better.

Sweden really scares the crap out of me. Now that the national establishment has been reinforced by the EU as well, the country has become a totalitarian state, in my view. And we all know Sweden is the ideal of the Western Left, so this is where they want us all to end up.

re: #45 taxfreekiller

I saw little George bicycling around K-Port the weekend of his wedding a few summers back. Looked kinda clueless and pampered while tooling in circles around the Bush estate. People are supposed to listen to him because he habla espanol?

#7 ploome

Hmmm.
Seems to me that is a road map for the Indians to take back most of the US if they play there cards right.
Whats good for the goose...

re: #58 Irene NYC

re: #45 taxfreekiller

I saw little George bicycling around K-Port the weekend of his wedding a few summers back. Looked kinda clueless and pampered while tooling in circles around the Bush estate. People are supposed to listen to him because he habla espanol?

He is our President...I don't always agree...BUT I for one will never use moon speak...just saying.

re: #20 marwan's daughter

"Honest" Ibe

Ha! :)

re: #39 screaming_eagle

They might be Lizard Refugees since LGF has been tougher on comments over that same period.

OT/ Someone's probably already reported this, but:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070731/ap_on_re_us/ku rdish_gang

By KRISTIN M. HALL, Associated Press Writer Tue Jul 31, 1:44 PM ET

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - A proud enclave of Kurds has lived in this city for decades, starting businesses and soccer leagues, holding down good jobs and blending into the immigrant neighborhoods south of town.

But now the Kurdish immigrant community has been shaken to see its young people joining a street gang that blends old-world customs and new-world thuggery. Police blame the gang for a string of rapes, assaults and home invasions.

The gang calls itself Kurdish Pride and is made up of 20 to 30 teenagers and young adults.

"We don't have the phenomenon anywhere else. This is a unique situation in Nashville," said Pary Karadaghi, president and chief executive of Kurdish Human Rights Watch, based in Fairfax, Va.

The gang members borrow from California gangster culture by adopting rap slang, scrawling "KP" graffiti on street signs, wearing gang colors and flashing hand signs in photos posted online.

They also put Kurdish flags on their cars, and use yellow — from the Kurdish Democratic Party banner — as their gang color. On their Web sites, they talk about Kurdish music and culture.

Unlike other gang members, most Kurdish Pride followers grew up in stable, working-class, two-parent homes, and many of their parents own successful businesses or work at universities, Nashville Detective Mark Anderson said.
The Kurds, most of whom are Sunni Muslim, come mainly from Turkey, Iraq and Iran but have their own language and culture. Kurdish immigrants have sought refuge in Nashville since the 1970s, creating the largest community of Kurds in an American city, with about 10,000 members, Karadaghi said. More Kurds fleeing persecution came to Nashville in the late '90s, and many attend the city's public schools.

Gang members say they formed Kurdish Pride in response to threats and harassment after the Sept. 11 attacks, Anderson said. But Anderson, who works their neighborhood, said he has never heard of any violence against the Kurds.

"They started out wanting to be a group of kids that would hang out and stick up for each other," Karadaghi said. "They feel they have to have a gang in order to survive."

At the Salahadeen Center, a mosque and community center, Ibrahim Ahmed says he is so worried about his son joining the gang that he is pulling him out of his public school.

"They say it's very hard. If you don't join them, they are not going to protect you," Ahmed said.

While the gang has been around since at least 2001, the intensity of its violence has escalated recently, Anderson said.

Nashville has seen a string of 10 home invasions targeting Hispanic immigrants since January. In one such case, a pregnant woman was raped by a group of attackers. Police charged a 17-year-old Kurd, Zana Noroly, with the rape, but he hanged himself in his jail cell before going to trial.
Last month police arrested four Kurdish Pride members on suspicion of trying to murder a park police officer who had stumbled upon a drug deal. One of them, Aso Nejad, 21, was already out on bail on charges he attacked a student at a high school graduation.

Members of the Kurdish community are hoping that summer school at a mosque and the recent start of a youth soccer group will keep others from joining the gang.

"We are not going to sit still and do nothing," said Kirmanj Gundi, a professor of educational administration at Tennessee State University. "They need to realize what they do is harming themselves and to a larger extent to the Kurdish community."

Karadaghi wants a discussion among Nashville police, school leaders and Kurds to try to figure out a solution.

"I'd be glad to talk to her," Anderson said.

re: #60 storagemanager

storage,

We certainly were NOT referring to the POTUS (George W.). We were referring to George P., his nephew by way of Jeb.

Anyway, George W. wasn't getting married a couple of summers ago last I heard.
;)

re: #57 Fjordman

Don't know if that could happen here, the Left has been trying their damnedest for at least the last 40 years, and we haven't succumbed yet.

Besides, there are too many armed people in this country who care, and many are either in the military, or have military experience.

re: #60 storagemanager

Uh, she's talkin' 'bout a different George Bush.

re: #14 ploome hineni

re: #13 MandyManners

they all are

Hey! I missed your post.

Yes, they all are. I think I got a hard-on for Hoopie 'cause he's all over the television.

re: #64 Irene NYC
I am sorry...read it wrong...I admit when wrong...

re: #5 screaming_eagle

cair can go [deleted] a [deleted] until they have to [deleted] by [deleted] the [deleted] time they [deleted] to [deleted] straight.

Replace [delete] with smurf and it becomes funny. ;-)

On a serious note, Hooper can't fight Spencer face to face on the public forum, CAIR knows Spencer would destroy any defense they put in front of him. CAIR can't avoid the difficult questions forever and not look morally bankrupt in front of the American Public. Personally, I'd like to see CAIR answer these questions in front of a Grand Jury or a Special Senate Committee on who bank rolls their organization, explain their links to the Middle East especially to Saudi Arabia, and explain how their fund raising tends to support terrorists or their families.

I hope Spencer sues. He can't afford to let this go.

re: #68 storagemanager

storage,

It was sweet your defense of the prez and the mixup was kinda funny (well, maybe Laura would have something different to say!). No need to apologize.
;)

Someone should just as Hooper straight-up, 'what's your vision for a unified Western/Muslim world?'

There are liars, and there are goddamm liars.

Hooper falls into the latter category.

That he is still drawing breath is both a tribute to our way of life, and an indictment of our ignorance.

#65: Well yes, it is more likely with a civil war in the US than that all Americans will quietly cave in.

However, with the incredible stupidity displayed by Bush and his cronies, it looks increasingly likely that the Republicans will be punished for this in the next election, ending up with Hillary Clinton as Prez. And she will definitely speed up the process.

Chen

Yup.
Kos is definately planting nasty komments on his site.
Like "screw em all"
etc, etc, etc, yada, yada yada,

I thought you were banned by charles for being an annoying idiot.

re: #73 Krampus

Someone should just as Hooper straight-up, 'what's your vision for a unified Western/Muslim world?'

... just ask Hooper. PIMF

re: #68 storagemanager

Wel at least you could have done your Roseanna Roseanna Danna impersonation.

"Oh, Never mind."

re: #71 Highrise

I hope Spencer sues. He can't afford to let this go.

Ditto. When I heard Hooper single him out on national-friggin'-television I thought, "WHOA! He just went to far."

#75 fjordman

Ahh, heck.
She better not.
I have no idea where I put my "Combat in an Urban Environment" field manual. I really don't want to have to go look for it.

Goodnight...stay safe.

#70: Yes, I saw it. And I think pushing for independence for Kosovo is just as bad. The United States is currently facilitating the global Jihad, at the same time as being denounced as aggressive Islamophobes.

Muslims must be laughing all the way to Mecca.

re: #76 hous bin pharteen

Wow, you can get banned for being an idiot? I better put my smart socks on.

re: #16 Fjordman

#12: Well, you in the US can still do that, but in Europe, criticizing Islamic or the immigration policies is increasingly banned by law. And you will be attacked, even physically, by Muslims or extreme Leftists if you try.

That's why we have the Second Amendment. Lefties and moslems are too scared to attack the average Amjerican citizen, for fear we may be "packing."

re: #50 ibrodsky

Hooper, you are a liar, a hypocrite, and a racist.

I really hate to pick nits here, but if you play a game of rock, paper, and scissors, you'll never defeat paper with paper.

The term "racism" did not exist 80 years ago. It's a recent invention. And I in no way support violence on the basis of race. I find it despicable. But to elevate "race" as some form of status you clearly misunderstand the record of human civilization.

We all ostensibly arose from a common single-celled organism. As the early species fanned out, it did so on the basis of race. It would seem to me the logical argument would be that racism is a defensive mechanism, meant to protect the society, rather than an offensive characteristic.

Now. in a pluralistic democratic society, where people from all walks of life, are welcomed provided they share the same core values the Founding Fathers of America adhere to, the issue of race should be irrelevant. However, today we are presented with a curious situation. A political ideology diametrically opposed to the concepts laid out by the founders of Western Civilization itself masquerading as a religion, thereby protected by the First Amendment, which was meant as a protection from state-imposed religion.

You don't fight paper with paper, or scissors with scissors. You bust scissors over the motherf**king head with rock.

And you leave the entire recently invented term of "racism" to historians to determine morality...

I thought CAIR was recently outed as having only 1700 dues paying mebers, and public collections of only 75K or soemthing.

It was then pointed out that theri operating budget was much larger.

Where does that money come from, and why is CAIR still being given such prominent exposure as the 'voice of muslim america', when it is more correctly the 'voice of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia'?

#80 ploome

Baker is a twit.
I am afraid it goes deeper than that with Bush.

re: #75 Fjordman

Yes, there is no doubt that she would speed up this process, and I imagine that the gun grabbers would again feel emboldened with her as President. Tough to say what would happen, but none of it is pretty.

re: #57 Fjordman

I have little doubt where we are going here in the USA, and no way would I live anywhere else even with it's flaws. Our borders will eventually whittle down to nothing, our gun rights will be chipped away at (never say never gun owners..I am one as well), and we'll head toward a one world gov't with a one world court system. This could be in my lifetime..or 7 generations from me...no crystal ball here but it is the sense I get.

Never has that spoken to me until this time from 9/11 watching the leftists devour every shred of decency we have..people I never thought would turn...have done so. Their blinding hatred for what we stand for being united and paralleling what the islamists want for us..sure they go about it with different words, but the end result is the same, OUR destruction of something really special.

This is why I think things are going to get real bloody and make Iraq a cakewalk. We still have many alive that carry our forefathers' belief and morals forward but I believe that will become watered down in the future. The shamnesty bill was a good indicator of the congress testing the waters and not thinking the true Americans were paying attention.

Yes, I most definitely question people's patriotism and I see them as the enemy, not people with just mere *different opinions*.

Ploome,

I'm a "CondoleezaRice-a-phobic". Does that make me a racist?

Charles,

Can you help Robert trace the IP address of the individual who left the genocidal / provocative comment? If Mr. Spencer's gut feeling is correct, this could be the break we need to open up a legal front against CAIR (even if it's not, there may still be sufficient grounds for a defamation claim).

#84 corpsman mom

An annoying idiot.
Not just your plain jane, run of the mill, vanilla idiot.

OT: There's a couple strange recent stories that may be connected -- both involve men from Chad at the FBI Academy in Quantico. From today: Authorities Search for Missing Foreign Police Officer

Authorities in Loudoun County are searching for a National Police Officer from the Republic of Chad who went missing Friday from a Sterling hotel.

The Loudoun County Sheriff's Office says 26-year-old Abakar Malloum Mboulou was last seen Friday night at the Holiday Inn on Route 28, where he was staying along with several other police officers from the African nation.

Investigators say the group arrived in the United States on July 8th and had attended the FBI Academy in Quantico. The officers graduated from their session on Friday.

Officers say Mboulou did not show up for a Saturday evening meeting and was supposed to leave the country on a Sunday morning flight from Dulles Airport.

And from two months ago: FBI ACADEMY BOOTS 'BOGUS' AFRICAN COP

The FBI's famed National Academy recently expelled a student from a troubled African nation after learning he was not a cop, as he had claimed, The Post has learned.

The incident raises serious questions about the FBI's screening process for prospective National Academy students.

The 72-year-old National Academy is part of the FBI Academy, which trains G-men. It is located at the U.S. Marine Corps Base in Quantico, Va. - considered a "secured facility" by the government.

The National Academy has trained thousands of U.S., city and state police officers, as well as cops from other countries, during 10-week courses that include classes in law, forensic sciences and leadership development.

After graduation, cops return to their jobs.

The expelled student - Zakaria Sinie of Chad - was one of 270 police-officer students enrolled from Jan. 7 to March 16.

Chad, in central Africa, is one of the world's most troubled nations, plagued by a corrupt government and a desperately poor population.

As with other students, Sinie's application for enrollment was supposed to have been reviewed by the FBI to check his bona fides: most importantly, his status as a cop.

The "quiet" Sinie lived, studied at and strolled around the Quantico facility with a still and video camera for 91/2 weeks before he was found not to be a cop, expelled and sent home to Chad, sources said.

Academy spokesman Kurt Crawford said a student was sent home to Chad "due to an honor-code violation" but would not provide further details about the case.

Fjordman: I asked a question on the last thread, didn't realize a new one was going and everyone had left the room.
This reminds me of a conversation I was having with my Mom just this evening. May I assume that you've read the Humanist Manifesto? It's quite enlightening, and puts a lot of things in perspective. Required reading for all good Lizards.

Just watched the video.

Actually that was Dennis Praeger and Christopher Hitchens defending against Ibrahim Hooper’s BS. (Might want to revise this topic's header, Charles.)

Love Paula Zahn's question, "Is it racist to fear an entire religious group?"

Simple answer, for those in Rio Linda: Race has to do with genetics. Religion has to do with beliefs. In two world religions the two are combined: Judaism (proper) and Hinduism (proper). Jews actually believe all kinds of different religious ideas. The same is true of Hindus.

But target Jews, or target Hindus, and you are targeting a race.

Not so of Christianity or Islam, both are what Joseph Campbell recognized as 'Universal Religions' -- completely independent of ethnicity.

Paula Zahn really should do just a teensy bit of homework before conducting such debates.

A person can be for complete destruction of all Christians, or all Muslims, and not be a 'racist', since neither religion has anything to do with race. The same cannot be said of the destruction of Jews or Hindus.

Jeez, this is 'Comparative Religions 101'. Should we expect journalists and reporters to know this? No, afraid not. They go to journalism school, which teaches them to put the big names and most important 'facts' first, and that's about it. Outside of class, the primary interest of journalism students is to get laid, and that carries forward into their careers.

Asking them to be educated in comparative world religions is like asking 5th Graders to answer questions regarding differential equations.

re: #94 hous bin pharteen

Oh! Thank you. I feel much better now. Besides, it's way too hot for socks.

#63 zardah

More like the gang culture Hollywood and the music industry push on our kids have more to do with that than any supposed attacks on them since 9/11.

re: #87 Maine's Michael

I thought CAIR was recently outed as having only 1700 dues paying mebers, and public collections of only 75K or soemthing.

It was then pointed out that theri operating budget was much larger.

Where does that money come from, and why is CAIR still being given such prominent exposure as the 'voice of muslim america', when it is more correctly the 'voice of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia'?

CAIR should be forced to register as an agent for foreign governments. The rules and regulations for financial disclosure will expose exactly where all the money comes from, and they would not be allowed to donate to any campaigns.

Idle Drifter (#69),

Personally, I'd like to see CAIR answer these questions in front of a Grand Jury or a Special Senate Committee on who bank rolls their organization, explain their links to the Middle East especially to Saudi Arabia, and explain how their fund raising tends to support terrorists or their families.

Hear, hear.

I owe you a call. How ya doing?

#98 ploome

Nope.
My memory is not that good.

Re-establishing the USA as a Constitutional Republic would make the War of Northern Aggression, aka the recent unpleasentries, look like a 'boobs not bombs' rally. Can't see it happening with less than %10 patriots left.

/Not to slight those who fought and died 'to make men free'.

Doogie Hooper is a bigoted ass.

And why isn't this unindicted co-conspirator of Hamas being followed every moment by Feds, with a microscope up his butt?

re: #97 rtheyserius

Just watched the video.

Actually that was Dennis Praeger and Christopher Hitchens defending against Ibrahim Hooper’s BS. (Might want to revise this topic's header, Charles.)

You're misreading something. There's nothing incorrect in the topic's heading.

45- TFK- iwas reading up on Mitt Romney and his dad, George on Wickpedia. I was trying to remember the brainwashing comment when George Romney came back from Vietnam in 1967, and sure enuff it was there.
So Mitt is involved with politics And also the ex-wife of one of his brothers was running for Cong in Michigan. (Mitt's dad was ceo of American Motors at one time). Anyway, the ex dau-in-law was using the family name still to run for office. and George Romney did not like that. So he supported the other candidate...who did win...Spencer Abraham! Interesting that Spencer shows up in Fred's campaign.

Also, like you I am sick of open-border weasels. So if Fred is open-border or a waffling weasel...eff' him.He can stay out.

re: #1 ibrodsky

Hooper is a smear artist and a liar.

Correction, he's a thug. Just like the entire CAIR.

hiker- the bureaucrats in the usa are pro-muslim, I fear and will throw us in jail for opposing the muslims.

Bite me, Dougie.

#96: Yes, I've read it. I used to consider myself a humanist once, too, but left that camp after I discovered that they always veered into Socialism.

Charles, are we watching the same video?

I went to the link, at which there was a link to the video...

Didn't see Spencer there, at all.

(Scratching head)

Hope I'm not the only LGF who visits Jihad Watch religiously (heh). Whereas sites like LGF generally stick to reporting about Jihadists and their sympathizers, Spencer routinely provides the Islamic understanding behind their actions.

His book, "The Truth about Muhammed" was an enlightening read, and should be available in paperback in the next week.

re: #115 rtheyserius

Spencer is not on the video. Hooper took a cheap shot at Jihad Watch while debating on CNN in Spencer's absence. Mr. Spencer wrote a reply on his own site.

re: #117 ratherdashing

Ah. Faked me out. :-)

Anyway, Spencer isn't in the video, but it was well worth watching, just the same.

re: #47 BingoBunny
Interesting.
I frequent a famous local used book store.
Recently I was looking for a certain translation of the Bible.
The owner told me that some guy comes in every day and buys all the Bibles at opening time.
So I came in then, too, hoping he would not beat me to the spot so I could look for the one I was after.
He had a muslim skull cap and gloves on. He doesn't "shop."
He literally sweeps all the Bibles into a basket he carries then pays for them and leaves.
I'd bet money they go right into the trash somewhere.

re: #119 mean Gene

Videotape him sweeping the shelves for a few days. Discretely, of course. Then follow him after a week or so, and see where he takes them. If he dumps them, demand a hate crime investigation.

Shoe... this is your other foot.

re: #119 mean Gene

re: #47 BingoBunny
Interesting.
I frequent a famous local used book store.
Recently I was looking for a certain translation of the Bible.
The owner told me that some guy comes in every day and buys all the Bibles at opening time.
So I came in then, too, hoping he would not beat me to the spot so I could look for the one I was after.
He had a muslim skull cap and gloves on. He doesn't "shop."
He literally sweeps all the Bibles into a basket he carries then pays for them and leaves.
I'd bet money they go right into the trash somewhere.

sounds like a great business opportunity for you. Dig them out of garbage, take them to the store and have them resold to the Muslim WIN/WIN Muslim is saving us from,er, evil you are making a dime two

Discreetly... pimf

2 problems with these suggestions:
1 I don't have video equipment and
2 I have a very easily identifiable car so I couldn't disretely follow anybody.
LB's Acres of Books for the locals.

Adam Gadahn doesn't like Robert Spencer either.

Spencer Answers Al Qaeda Tool

The latest Al Qaeda video featuring American idiot Adam Gadahn specifically invites Robert Spencer to convert to Islam, and Spencer answers at Jihad Watch:

Discreetly... pimf

(Me too)

This thread should remind us all that our occasional over-the-top statements and rants hurt LGF and Charles. They give our enemies a reason to excuse their overwheming number and caliber of moonbat posts.

re: #123 mean Gene

What state/city?

re: #127 stevieray
Long Beach, CA

re: #119 mean Gene

That involves some serious shekels, follow him, or find someone who can/will.

Get the VIN and tag number when he is inside, all kinds of info from that source.

#119 mean Gene
You mean he throws them in the toilet? But that is a hate crime.

I would never have known but the owner of the store told me all about it.
He warned me I probably would never be able to buy a Bible from his store.
And I did give up on the idea.
I have gone online for Scripture instead.
Kind of sad, so I got a paperback copy of the New International Version from a new book bookstore.

I found it interesting that Mr. Hooper was dressed in conventional western business clothing for his CNN appearance. Previously I have only seen him wearing a white crocheted skullcap and some sort of Marrakeshi-looking shirt.

re: #131 mean Gene

You need this [Link: www.e-sword.net...] bigtime. freeware

re: #131 mean Gene

Most bookstore owners (and librarians as well) are protective of their "babies"... especially in a used book store. Did the owner seem at all upset by this... or does he see only green?

re: #126 cbinflux

This thread should remind us all that our occasional over-the-top statements and rants hurt LGF and Charles. They give our enemies a reason to excuse their overwheming number and caliber of moonbat posts.

That's why I keep harping on the subject. There is going to be a time when Hooper or another CAIR mouthpiece brings up a comment like the incredibly stupid one posted by 'Rayra' (long ago deleted, but nevertheless the subject of a CAIR complaint to the FBI) or some other idiotic anonymous venting comment that I missed, and uses it to smear and discredit this whole site.

People who are not your friends are reading what you post here. And they will not hesitate to use it against me, personally, no matter how convincingly I argue against it.

re: #97 rtheyserius

Asking them to be educated in comparative world religions is like asking 5th Graders to answer questions regarding differential equations.

I'm not currently a 5th grader, but I've been one. I have a Chevy with a 3.27 differential and can probably answer any differential equations along those lines, but don't know anything about Ford, Nissan, or the others.

re: #87 Maine's Michael

I thought CAIR was recently outed as having only 1700 dues paying mebers, and public collections of only 75K or soemthing.

It was then pointed out that theri operating budget was much larger.

Where does that money come from, and why is CAIR still being given such prominent exposure as the 'voice of muslim america', when it is more correctly the 'voice of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia'?

you can always check their form 990's on the internet. A bit difficult since you'll find a lot of branches filings. That's public info. You may not get any "juicy" stuff, but it's there for the looking.

re: #134 stevieray

His dad, the original owner, would have pulled any book aside for anyone and called tham the day it came in.
He's gone, years ago.
The new owner apparently sees the green, only the green.
He had a chance to do me the favor of pulling one copy aside but never offered.
But, to be fair, it isn't only in this instance he won't "serve" a customer, there have been other times and other types of books as well.

re: #135 Charles

Thanks for the reinforcing reply. I know that you must often feel like the grunt who's always on point duty, 'hanging out there' on many levels.

re: #6 PIERRE_LEGRAND

Are we ready yet to fight these monsters on our terms?

If you don't know where we are headed then read Brussels Journal and be scared very scared of where the left will bring us.

I say lets desecreate some Qurans and make a point...

Whenever I see a post like this, I always wonder if it's some plant ("provocateur" as RS calls them) trying to make us all look like slavering morons.

mean Gene: I would follow this guy and video tape what he does with the bibles and then post it on the internet.

#141 Steve and me are two different people... :^)

re: #139 cbinflux

re: #135 Charles

Thanks for the reinforcing reply. I know that you must often feel like the grunt who's always on point duty, 'hanging out there' on many levels.

Indeed. There have been days when I've been very close to shutting off comments altogether.

re: #95 SeafoodGumbo

Dangerous hanging Chads. Fwd'ed to Charles

re: #144 Charles

Thanks for all that you do; Soldier On.

Something tells me that snopes and truth or fiction will be working on the Bible sub-thread.

Just my gut...

re: #131 mean Gene

I would never have known but the owner of the store told me all about it.
He warned me I probably would never be able to buy a Bible from his store.
And I did give up on the idea.
I have gone online for Scripture instead.
Kind of sad, so I got a paperback copy of the New International Version from a new book bookstore.

mean Gene:

What you gotta do: go to another used book store, and buy a cheap Bible, and also buy a koran in the same format. Take the cover off the Bible and glue it on the koran. (Hey, it's in a good cause.)

Go back to Acres of Books with your uh,"modified" Bible, and slip it into one of the fiction racks when nobody's looking. Hang around, browsing, until skullcap-boy shows up. When he heads for the checkout, grab the modified Bible, barge up to the checkout and indignantly shout at the clerk, "Hey, this here Bible's defective, it's got nothing but ***t in it! See for yourself, and slam it down open on the counter so both the clerk and skullcap-boy can see it. Should be good for few laughs, if nothing else. Might pay to have a friend in the store with you, as back-up, and to act as a witness in an assault suit if skullcap-boy tries to beat on you. Might even be good money in it!

On a more serious note, I wonder if this sort of thing is going on elsewhere? Could it be that Saudi money is being used to keep Bibles scarce on the used-book market?

re: #148 Alberta Oil Peon

I don't know.
I never would have known about this one bookstore's weirdness had I not accidentally lost my own Bible at the park one day.
Just a bit of So Cal weirdness.

re: #135 Charles

re: #126 cbinflux

This thread should remind us all that our occasional over-the-top statements and rants hurt LGF and Charles. They give our enemies a reason to excuse their overwheming number and caliber of moonbat posts.

That's why I keep harping on the subject. There is going to be a time when Hooper or another CAIR mouthpiece brings up a comment like the incredibly stupid one posted by 'Rayra' (long ago deleted, but nevertheless the subject of a CAIR complaint to the FBI) or some other idiotic anonymous venting comment that I missed, and uses it to smear and discredit this whole site.

    Just like Hooper did today when he wasn't smearing Robert, talking over Hitchens, etc.  He took a quote from Robert's site and misused it.  Anyone watching today's videos should have seen it.

    I totally grasp what you're saying and I've agreed with you talking youself blue in the face to some users here who can't seem to get it, though you really shouldn't have to.  Truth be told, you're a lot more long-suffering than I am or would be about it.  I wouldn't have your blood pressure for anything.

    It's like having a younger sibling start trouble just so you'll react so they can point at you and yell "MOM!"  We're at war here.  Bottom feeders like Hooper count on us being 'pigs' or 'apes', acting in a manner that allows them to cherrypick or invent offenses so they can scream "MOM!"  They're exactly like children, evil vengeful dangerous children.  At every turn, we should refuse to indulge them.  Hitchens was right, this has to stop now, all of it has to stop now.  If Hooper wants to take a swing at me, he's going to have to fabricate his own brick, I'm not going to provide him with one, and neither should anyone else.  Except those people (and we all know they're here) trolling for a chance to make LGF and everyone connected with it look bad.

People who are not your friends are reading what you post here. And they will not hesitate to use it against me, personally, no matter how convincingly I argue against it.

    Yup.  How much better to give them nothing to use against any of us.  Then they might have to actually put some sweat into their tactics.

    I suspect that if they were to have to rely on their wits and strategic abilities to attempt to conquer us, we would have an edge over them.  Just personal opinion.

}:)     [Hang in there, Charles ... ]

TV stations should start to turn off Mr. Hooper's microphone when other people are talking so he does not have the chance to interrupt all the time. Shouting down the opponent: typical intimidation tactics!

re: #126 cbinflux

Very good point. It can become difficult to contain one's anger at the barbarity of islamists, the bold-faced lies of their apologists and the fecklessness of our government and media in dealing with them. In my opinion, it is righteous anger that should be expressed. Propagandists and smear merchants like Dougie should be vigorously held to account, such as in this post. However, it is precisely because we know the dishonest and underhanded tactics of the terrorists' PR agencies that we should avoid the over the top comments that are not only unhelpful, but give these guys rhetorical ammunition in their propaganda war.

Plus, let's not forget we're all guests here by Charles' exceptionally good graces. He clearly can handle himself, but he gets enough flak as it is. Let's not make it any easier for the detractors of Charles, and other opponents of islamic fascism like ourselves, to press their agenda and make themselves look like the civilized ones.

Thanks for all you're doing, Charles.

BB

Hooper is like an Islamified Mich-al-Moore. He looks like he's been eating too many halal hamburgers. He reminds me of this idiot I went to college with who converted to Mohammedism because he couldn't get laid.

meangame:

How to put this delicately?

I think there may be a variable here that you're not relating, or perhaps that you yourself are unaware of.

After all, the economist in me is screaming that if it were really true that some dude comes in every morning and buys all the Bibles, the bookstore's proprietor would naturally steadily supply more and more Bibles until that mystery customer either went broke or the shop was eventually converted into a shop that sold only Bibles.

But you're telling me he sells them all out every a.m. and yet does nothing about it?

The situation as you've described it seems to be defying the laws of supply and demand!

Can you get more details, please?

re: #154 matamorros

It's mean Gene.
The bookstore doesn't go out and buy anything.
People SELL their used books to the owner who then puts them on his shelves to sell to others who might want them.
I have both bought and sold books to this store since the 1950's.
He won't have tons of Bibles any one day.
He might not get any for a few days.
Sometimes he'll get a few in the same day...usually when someone dies and their estate sells the books.
I had, in the past, seen as many as twenty Bibles, most old KJV's and the green NWT's.
But nowadays, under the son of the original owner, it is always, "first come, first served."
This owner won't set anything aside for anyone, ever.
So, if a paying customer comes in and buys his whole stock of Bibles he's happy.

Okay, thanks for the clarification, Mean Gene.

For a second there I thought you might have inadvertently uncovered some hare-brained Saudi scheme to remove the world of Bibles (think globally, act locally, etc.).

Except that such a plan would result, ironically, in more Bibles being supplied to world markets.

re: #150 Kulhwch

"It's like having a younger sibling start trouble just so you'll react so they can point at you and yell 'MOM!'"

Exactly.

And right after we discuss comments that can be used against LGF, someone posts a nasty comment that has to be deleted.

[Link: hotair.com...]
Go to 2:52.
Hooper states:
"I'll give you an example,someone sent us video of a koran being shot. That wasn't a hate crime. But that same person took the koran that was shot and threw it at a door of a Tennessee mosque in an cat of intimidation. That's when it crosses the line into a hate crime."

According to Hooper's own analogy the PACE incident of dunking a koran into a toilet is the equivalent of throwing a desecrated koran at a house of worship.
When did a university toilet become equivalent to an exclusive house of worship?
(OK, forget I asked that.)

Hooper made a statement about how Islam was an idealogy and not a race. So it is something like Communism or Fascism. When an idealogy sounds bad, cruel and inhuman, humans have every right to oppose it. So in effect, we can oppose this not-so-new totalitarian idealogy without having the fear of being labelled a racist!

Yes, in regards to used bookstores, it does depend on who sells what to them; sometimes you can find gazillions of Bibles (some even in foreign languages, such as Hebrew, or Korean), and sometimes you can't find one. Depends on the flux of the market.

And, while it's tempting to fantasize about embarrassing Moslems in these stores, or playing tricks with Bibles/Korans, please be aware that if somebody gets offended enough, and files a lawsuit, it's going to be the store itself, and the people who own it, who'll be on the hot seat.

Places like Acres of Books, etc., just don't have the money to defend themselves in lengthy lawsuits. We aren't talking rich bookstore chains here, such as B.Daltons, which was protected by its parent corporation, the Dayton-Hudson Co., and could get away with offering "The Satanic Verses" (though it tried to keep them hidden) during le Affaire Rushdie; these independent, used bookstores live very much hand to mouth; in the case of Acres of Books, I know there are forces which would just love to see the store demolished, in order to make the downtown area its in more "upscale" (or build more condos, and maybe a Starbucks). If they're accused of "racist"/"Islamophobic" incidents happening in their store, a lot of the city fathers are going to move to close the place forever. So please, don't do anything stupid.

re: #162 TalkinKamel
Wow! TalkinKamel, you just pegged our city government.
Ever since the 9-11-01 attacks the Port of Long Beach has had to actually use most of its profits for port secuirty.
Thus LB city funds dried up.
And wonderful old businesses like Joe Jost's and a spice importer/peanut roaster and others are gone.
Way was made for new (horrid) short-lived businesses that left the day after the city's tax breaks for them ended.
Acres of Books has been around since the 1920's!
They almost did get it demolished after an earthquake a few years ago.
(Imagine being amid rows of bookshelves, filled to the ceiling, during a temblor.)

re: #78 BenZacharia

re: #68 storagemanager

Wel at least you could have done your Roseanna Roseanna Danna impersonation.

"Oh, Never mind."

I think that's Miss Emily Latella, there.

#163 mean Gene

I've loved Long Beach for a long time; it's one of my favorite cities, and Acres of Books has long been a favorite destination for myself and my friends.

And again, I do ask anybody out there who might be considering pulling various pranks in bookstores with bibles/Korans, etc. to please consider the consequences. An indepedent bookstore, or a used bookstore, such as Acres of Books, just doesn't have the financial resources or influential clout, to withstand a determined lawsuit, backed by CAIR maybe, and perhaps financed by oil money.

Barnes & Noble, Waldens, etc., can hire the lawyers, have their parent corporations protect them and, if worst comes to worst, pay litigants off. Acres of Books, independents, your typical small town bookstore, often run by a little old lady(ies) and her (their) cat(s) can't do this.

And, even if you pull such stunts in one of the big chains, the odds are good that those in charge might decide to put all the blame on the Jane or John Doe salesclerk who was in charge of the section containing the Korans, and soothe whoever's insulted sensibilities by firing them---throwing them to the wolves, so to speak.

I just bought Spencer's new book - "Religion of Peace?". Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't.

First 2 chapters are great. I am reading it carefully to try to understand and absorb as much as I can.

re: #157 Josephine

re: #150 Kulhwch

"It's like having a younger sibling start trouble just so you'll react so they can point at you and yell 'MOM!'"

Exactly.

    The tricky part is to get Mom to stand behind the door quietly so she can see how you're egged on.  It never works out.  They know it, too.

}:)     [I have to be careful, I keep wanting to expand the child analogy.]