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CAIR Executive Director Placed at HAMAS Meeting

Thu, Aug 2, 2007 at 9:13:08 pm PDT

CAIR Executive Director Placed at HAMAS Meeting.

The executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Nihad Awad, participated in a three-day summit of U.S.-based HAMAS members and supporters in 1993.

Until now, he had been identified only as Nihad LNU (last name unknown) in FBI reports and analyses. The meeting occurred in a Philadelphia hotel in the wake of a White House ceremony formalizing the Oslo Accords, a peace deal with the potential to end the decades-old conflict between Israelis and Palestinians.

CAIR, which touts itself as America’s premier Muslim civil rights organization, was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the terror support trial of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development and five of its officials. Omar Ahmad, who founded CAIR with Awad in 1994 and was previously identified as attending the Philadelphia meeting, also was named as an unindicted co-conspirator.

The FBI already had wiretap warrants on several people who wound up organizing the 1993 meeting and agents listened in on the meeting itself. They concluded the two-dozen men present were HAMAS members or supporters. Transcripts and FBI analyses released since then show the meeting sought a strategy to kill the peace accord, which threatened to marginalize the Islamist movement. The group also discussed ways to improve HAMAS fundraising in America.

According to FBI reports, the men tried to hide their true agenda, agreeing not to even say the word “HAMAS” - but to call it “SAMAH” its reverse - even in their private conversations. Most of the participants were identified through surveillance and an examination of the hotel registry. But until Thursday, the identity of one person at the meeting – Nihad LNU - remained a mystery.

Awad was asked about the meeting during a 2003 deposition for a civil lawsuit. He initially said he didn’t think he had attended the Philadelphia meeting. When pushed he replied, “I don’t remember.” Nor did he remember whether he was invited.

Previously available evidence shows Awad was at the 1993 HAMAS meeting. He can be seen on videotape the following summer, acknowledging “I am in support of the HAMAS movement” during a seminar at Miami’s Barry University.

The idea for the meeting was discussed in a telephone call recorded by the FBI on Sept. 14, 1993. A day earlier, Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin shared an uneasy handshake on the White House lawn. That paved the way for the Palestinian Authority’s creation, and, it was hoped at the time, a path toward a more peaceful future.

On the telephone, three men discussed who should be invited to join them in a meeting to discuss what to do next. The call included Omar Ahmad (CAIR’s chairman emeritus), who at the time served at President of the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP), Shukri Abu Baker, President of the Holy Land Foundation and one of the defendants now on trial, and Abdelhaleem al-Ashqar, the Executive Director of a HAMAS-linked charity known as the Al Aqsa Educational Fund.

They discussed inviting people from the “Union,” a code reference to the IAP. They mentioned “Akram,” “Abdul Rahman” and “Nihad.” In 1993, Nihad Awad was the spokesman and public relations director for the IAP.

During that same telephone conversation, the men on the telephone call referred to Nihad’s work in “media.” Shukri Abu Bakr mentioned “a full article in Dallas Morning News...and every few lines: Mr. Nihad said this and that....” The Dallas Morning News did publish an article that day. It ran under the headline “Dallas’ Mideast Observers Warn of Conflict Ahead.” It extensively quoted “Nihad Awad, spokesman for the Dallas-based Islamic Association of Palestine.”

A few weeks later, at the Philadelphia meeting itself, two men again referenced “Nihad” and an invitation he received to speak at a conference for the National Association of Arab Americans (NAAA) on October 30, 1993. The program from that NAAA Annual Convention, obtained by the IPT, lists the name of Nihad Awad, representing the Islamic Association for Palestine, as a speaker on a panel entitled “Israel-PLO Agreement: Analytical Perspectives.” Nobody else named Nihad is listed in the program.

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1 jjmckay1216  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:14:24pm

UNDICTED! says it all

2 ruthless  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:14:48pm

Well, what a surprise!

3 Kaintuck  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:16:14pm

But Hamas is a humanitarian organization, they build schools and give alms to old ladies and add extra rooms onto the houses of poor people with missile launchers wonderful greenhouses in them! It's a humanitarian organization!

/Time, Newsweek, any others
/sput

4 LaMano  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:16:16pm

No surprise, here.

5 jjmckay1216  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:16:40pm

dang if I had said "UNINDICTED"

PIMF

JJ

6 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:17:56pm

The day after the handshake? HA!

7 Silhouette  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:19:07pm

It won't matter to the LLL. First they would deny to their last breath that CAIR had anything to do with terrorists like Hamas, but when faced with the proverbial "stain on the blue dress", they will simply switch gears to claiming Hamas is just misunderstood. And worst of all, they will be unaware of their own change of position.

8 HeatherRadish  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:19:25pm

He was young and needed the money?

9 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:20:19pm

See Ms. Pelosi, CAIR does have ties to HAMAS.

Pelosi: "bah! I don't believe it!"

10 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:20:23pm

The msm will now realize cair is a terrorist sympathizing front group and quit legitimizing them in three...two...

/Never

11 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:22:29pm

Anyone read News Weak's puff piece on Muslims in America? Now, I don't doubt there are plenty of American Muslims who really do just want a better life for themselves.

But News Weak described CAIR simply as an Islamic civil rights group, and described the Flying Imans case as an example of Islamophobia, passengers and crew panicked by six men just saying their prayers.


Still a lot of people whose main source of news is the MSM.

12 Render  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:22:41pm

Do not pass Go.

Do not collect $200.

Go directly to jail.

BUSTED,
R

13 Cougar  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:23:44pm

CAIR will have their thug lawyers send hate mail to the counter terrorism website.

14 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:24:38pm

ReallY?!?

The CAIR Executive Director Placed at HAMAS Meeting?!?

What did George W. say about people or countries who give sukkor (sp?)and/or assistance to terrorist entities?

Just wondering aloud...
~ENT

15 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:25:13pm

Just deep undercover work to ferret out any possible radical Islamists.

/Nope. Not a one!

16 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:25:38pm

succor

17 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:25:41pm

According to FBI reports, the men tried to hide their true agenda, agreeing not to even say the word “HAMAS” - but to call it “SAMAH” its reverse - even in their private conversations.

How clever.

/legally, it's called consciousness of guilt

18 Irene NYC  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:26:28pm

AIRCay ectivexay irectorday acedplay atay amashay eetingmay?

ONAY!

/and my secret decoder ring is on too!

19 gymnast  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:26:49pm

Is espionage a sport? If so there should be a page in the Boone and Crockett record books for the members of CAIR.

20 pat  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:26:56pm

Was Chertoff there? Maybe giving a speech on how we will help out Hamas members to move to America?

21 Kaintuck  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:27:22pm

re: #17 Killian Bundy

According to FBI reports, the men tried to hide their true agenda, agreeing not to even say the word “HAMAS” - but to call it “SAMAH” its reverse - even in their private conversations.

How clever.

These are certainly wily boys, I tell ya! Who would have ever made that connection?

22 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:28:02pm

The Feds should go after their collaborating lawyers as they did the Mafia's.

23 Kaintuck  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:29:54pm

Do you think Poopie and the Mohards have really thought this thing through? Once they've imposed sharia on the world, there will be no need for lawyers. No virgies for you, boys! Sorry.

24 WindHorse  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:30:13pm

re: #9 DesertSage

See Ms. Pelosi, CAIR does have ties to HAMAS.

Pelosi: "bah! I don't believe it! Do you like my blouse?"

(fixed)

25 tradewind  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:32:33pm
... the men tried to hide their true agenda, agreeing not to even say the word “HAMAS” - but to call it “SAMAH” its reverse


Oh, those clever bastards... how can our spooks possibly compete against that kind of superhuman intelligence?
/sarc/

26 BorgQueen  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:32:38pm

Maybe he was just delivering the pizzas?

27 BignJames  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:32:55pm

Deport him. Deport 'em all.

28 incommunicado  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:33:10pm

CAIR San Diego Chapter spokesperson Edgar Hopida on the radio tonight and says demographics and religious beliefs are changing in America and we are going to have to make accommodations.

I don't think so...

29 tradewind  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:34:27pm

#28,
No, he's right. More jail cells will have to be built...

30 threecoloursblue  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:34:33pm

re: #16 cbinflux

Succour.

31 Geepers  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:34:54pm

pat (#20),

Was Chertoff there? Maybe giving a speech on how we will help out Hamas members to move to America?

Cheap shot much?

32 KingKenrod  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:35:07pm

Well, the FBI has known Nihad Awad was linked to Hamas for a long time. So how does George Bush explain this?

33 Kaintuck  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:36:43pm

re: #32 KingKenrod

Well, the FBI has known Nihad Awad was linked to Hamas for a long time. So how does George Bush explain this?

Inattention to detail, perhaps?

34 Mr. E. Train  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:37:04pm

As they say over at FARK

"O' RLY?!"

35 Ginn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:37:27pm
The idea for the meeting was discussed in a telephone call recorded by the FBI on Sept. 14, 1993. A day earlier, Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin shared an uneasy handshake on the White House lawn. That paved the way for the Palestinian Authority’s creation, and, it was hoped at the time, a path toward a more peaceful future.

1993? Hmmm

In the 1993 World Trade Center bombing (February 26, 1993) a car bomb was detonated by Islamic terrorists in the underground parking garage below Tower One of the World Trade Center in New York City. The 1,500-lb (680 kg) urea nitrate-fuel oil device killed six and injured 1,042 people. It was intended to devastate the foundation of the North Tower, causing it to collapse onto its twin.

36 rappmandu  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:38:23pm

Call me when they cuff 'em and stuff 'em.

37 SusanL  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:38:29pm

I will never accommodate those who wish to enslave my daughters.

Good old Edgar Hopida needs to get a grip. Eventually when the news slips out, every time these ass hats have pushed for something they get told no.

IIRC light shining on the Somali debacle in the San Diego schools put a stop to it didn't it?

I am all for religious freedom, except when their "freedoms" tromp all over mine. If Christian and Jewish children are not allowed religious training in public schools, the same HAS to apply to islam. If islam can be taught, so can the truth. oops didn't mean to let that slip. :)

Susan

38 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:38:34pm

re: #32 KingKenrod

Well, the FBI has known Nihad Awad was linked to Hamas for a long time. So how does George Bush explain this?

In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 not very many people knew what CAIR was up too, they presented themselves as a moderate organization...that's how he explains it.

39 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:39:03pm

OT
APEC Says Flexible Currencies Will Reduce Imbalances

Aug. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Currency ``flexibility'' will reduce imbalances in the global economy, according to a draft communique from an Asia-Pacific finance ministers meeting.

``Orderly'' control of ``global imbalances remains a priority,'' the ministers said in the draft statement from the 21- member Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation forum meeting in Coolum, Australia. The statement didn't mention specific currencies.

South Korea and New Zealand finance ministers say the surge in their currencies against the yen and dollar is crimping their exports. U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, in Beijing this week, is under pressure from members of Congress to compel China to stop restraining gains in the yuan.

/If we could only have totally bogus valuation, like China, then we could all really stick it to the Yanks.

40 Beagle  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:39:28pm

But HAMAS just pays for the widows and orphans of the martyrs they send to destroy the Zionist aggressor and kill the Jews behind the talking rocks.

41 tradewind  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:39:43pm

#32,
One of Dubya's great flaws is that he bends over backwards (don't say it) at first to accomodate his opposition... as in leaving Democrat appointees in positions at state and CIA (big mistake), sucking up to ' religion of blowemto peaces ' types, and hanging out with Teddy to watch movies hoping for some cooperation. You'd think he'd learn, and in Awad's case, I think those pancakes for allah breakfasts at the WH have stopped.

42 SusanL  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:40:10pm

re: #40 Beagle

But HAMAS just pays for the widows and orphans of the martyrs they send to destroy the Zionist aggressor and kill the Jews behind the talking rocks.

I guess it must be SAMAS that does all the tossing off buildings.

43 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:41:08pm

re: #32 KingKenrod

Well, the FBI has known Nihad Awad was linked to Hamas for a long time. So how does George Bush explain this?

Long-term strategery / August surprise. Rove and Rummy showed 'im how.

44 Beagle  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:41:18pm

#17 Killian Bundy

/legally, it's called consciousness of guilt


That's crazy talk. It's unbreakable Islamic code.

45 ibrodsky  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:42:39pm

If Janet Reno could send in stormtroopers to whisk Elian Gonzales back to Castro's prison, why can't the current admin send SWAT teams to arrest the CAIR thugs?

/Either you are with us, or you are against us, or you are against us but we can't face it.

46 incommunicado  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:43:07pm

#37
We must keep pushing back. The ACLU hasn't made the scene yet at Carver to keep religion out of the school.

47 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:44:12pm

Executions In Iran On The Rise

In the past eight months, there have been 148 executions by public hanging in Iran. Eight of them have been carried out in Mashhad in the past 10 days, for delinquency. Preparations for the execution next month of 15 prisoners from Evin prison have been completed, and there are also additional prisoners who are waiting for their sentence to be carried out.

48 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:45:09pm

...

49 SuperdaveTWC  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:45:25pm

As long as CAIR harasses evil conservatives (TM), then they are innocent of any other crimes including (but not limited to) murder, rape, female genital mutilation, genocide, slavery, slave trade, racism, sexism, homophobia (to include stoning alleged 'homosexuals' to death), fascism, antisemitism (odd, because Arabs are genetically and linguistically semitic), and the worst sin of all: INTOLERANCE!

50 gymnast  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:45:49pm

This guy Nihad Awad is a picture window into the activity of the Jihadis in America. Why would the FBI want to shut him down when he is such a font of intelligence with the lowjack up his ass and every second of his life on GPS and wiretap as well as far more sophisticated tracking and recording devices.

51 spikester  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:50:26pm

So; the problem with linking this organization to terrorism is...?
*waiting*
*waiting*
*waiting*
*waiting*
*like most Americans, moving on to another thread.*

52 marwan's daughter  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:51:27pm

And why has the FBI not done anything about CAIR? Why the f*** do they still let them conduct sensitivity training sessions for agents? And why are the archivists at the Investigative Project still left out in the cold?

53 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:52:42pm

re: #16 cbinflux

succor

Thanks, cb...

;-P

~ENT

54 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:53:11pm

Yep. This just about sums it up for me:

[Link: cagle.com...]

~ENT

55 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:54:44pm

re: #45 ibrodsky

If Janet Reno could send in stormtroopers to whisk Elian Gonzales back to Castro's prison, why can't the current admin send SWAT teams to arrest the CAIR thugs?

/Either you are with us, or you are against us, or you are against us but we can't face it.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO~!

[Link: cagle.com...]

/just sayin' is all..

~ENT

56 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:55:12pm
The executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Nihad Awad, participated in a three-day summit of U.S.-based HAMAS

Uh Oh, ... Lucy, you got a whole lotta splain'in to do...

57 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:55:23pm

re: #47 cbinflux

Executions In Iran On The Rise


In the past eight months, there have been 148 executions by public hanging in Iran. Eight of them have been carried out in Mashhad in the past 10 days, for delinquency. Preparations for the execution next month of 15 prisoners from Evin prison have been completed, and there are also additional prisoners who are waiting for their sentence to be carried out.

Delinquency? WTF?

58 Orbit Rain  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 9:58:56pm

...start hassling the media about their ignorance, show them for the fools they are, they believe lies, then propogate them...

59 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:02:38pm

re: #57 MandyManners

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

60 Carridine  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:04:54pm

re: #8 HeatherRadish

He was young and needed the money?


Don't gimme THAT stuff!
I was young, broke and hungry when strangers offered me $2,000 to let them film one night of [deleted] with a Street Walker in Pattaya, Thailand.

I refused.

/but maybe Hamas Nihad Awad are made of stronger stuff than I, and took the money!

61 Karl Popper  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:10:00pm

One small response, with the help of Stuck Mojo:

Open Season - Stuck Mojo (Sex, Sharia remix)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BFmdIZqbtZo

The first music video to include the entire contents of a suppressed book.

Remix and extended version of the music video for the Stuck Mojo song "Open Season," dedicated to Mariwan Halabjaee,* "the Salman Rushdie of Iraqi-Kurdistan." Mr. Halabjaee is the author of the book "Sex, Sharia and Women in the History of Islam." He was forced to flee Iraqi-Kurdistan and obtain political asylum in Norway because the Islamic League of Kurdistan issued a fatwa to kill him, and the Kurdistan Regional Government refused to offer him protection or to arrest those who threatened his life.

For more information regarding Mr. Halabjaee and his book, see:
Sex, Sharia and Women in the History of Islam
http://charlesrcblog.googlepages.com/home

62 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:12:16pm

Will CAIR now sue the FBI for pointing out a Hamas memeber/supporter, and reporting him as a possible terrorist?

Will the justice dept. now sieze CAIR's assets/bank accounts as they are
obviously supporting Hamas?

Will the MSM even cair?

The possibilities are endless...

These questions and more will be answered on the next episode of... "Lawsuits for Jihad"

63 Bearster  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:13:31pm

Step 1: Be able to name the enemy. Islam. Its "prophet", "holy" books, and modern-day practicioners all agree that the infidels (i.e. us) need to be murdered. Its 1400-year history is consistent with this point.

Step 2: Declare war. As in WWII, recognize that some practicioners of Shintoism are peaceful and just want to be left alone. But recognize that most do support their murderous plans for us.

Step 3: Fight the war as if we mean to win it. The longer we wait, the higher will be the cost in American lives and in dollars. Don't worry about the cost to the enemy.

If we did these things, the military police would grab these sacks of shit and drag them off to learn what they're planning. As it stands now, we just need to sit here and be afraid of what they plan next, such as the "American Hiroshima".

Any "morality" that says we have to sit here and let them wage asymmetrical war is just a con game.

What frustrates me is that there are no facts that can come out which can change any politician's--or reporter's--mind. They just smoothly switch to the next spin-tactic. Do you think Bush--today--doesn't know that CAIR is a terrorist front-group? Do you think he doesn't know that their money comes from Saudi Arabia? How about all of his advisors? Are they all ignorant of this too?!?

But I am not holding my breath for any major policy changes...

64 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:14:29pm

I spent the last hour infiltrating some Lefty blogs just for fun.
WOW!
There's some scary shit out there, I was caught behind enemy lines. I'm glad to be home at LGF! It's like being back on American soil, I had to kiss the front page.

65 RTLM  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:15:33pm

re: #64 DesertSage

Ya hit C&L?

66 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:20:36pm

re: #65 RTLM

No I didn't get to that one. I went to some lesser known blogs, I think they were Kos wannabes. Yuck!

67 Hard Right  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:21:20pm

Want to bet that Chertoff cozies up to him now that it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's an extremist? He has a nasty habit of doing that.

68 Hard Right  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:22:40pm

re: #67 Hard Right

Want to bet that Chertoff cozies up to him now that it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's an extremist? He has a nasty habit of doing that.

BTW, I don't mean he gets friendly to keep an eye on them. The more extreme they are, the more blind he seems to become.

69 RedPepper  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:24:18pm

Nihad LNU, international man of mystery.

Well you're where you should be all the time
And when you're not, you're with some underworld spy ...

70 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:24:56pm

re: #64 DesertSage

Debriefing at 01:15

71 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:26:11pm

re: #66 DesertSage

ChenZen's?

72 SeafoodGumbo  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:26:22pm

re: #52 marwan's daughter

And why has the FBI not done anything about CAIR? Why the f*** do they still let them conduct sensitivity training sessions for agents? And why are the archivists at the Investigative Project still left out in the cold?

It's absolute insanity that they've let CAIR and the organizations that begat it pollute this country with their shadowy support for terrorism.

In my view, it's malfeasance to have let Hamas' top official in our country remain here as a wolf in sheep's clothing. And, as you mention, to actually let this organization train the FBI themselves? What f'ing bizarro parallel universe is this?

My head hurts.

73 Highrise  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:30:58pm

I just don't get how groups such as this and NAMBLA who do illegal activity, are able to get off scott free from taxes and be touted as OK.

How on earth do we expect to fight this threat and stomp it out over in another land when we can't handle our own land here with them thumbing their nose at us and laughing all the way to the bank?

And yes I realize we CAN do both, I just don't like what I see going on in the USA atm with the border situation and these chumps still being allowed to operate.

So, Mr. President, You are either with us or against us...get to it!

74 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:31:00pm

re: #70 cbinflux

re: #64 DesertSage

Debriefing at 01:15

I know we always give Kos shit because he's the big kid on the block as far as hate filled Leftist websites go, but there are literally hundreds, maybe thousands of really nasty Leftist hate sites out there.
I never knew until I went exploring.

I need a shower!

In bleach!

75 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:32:13pm

re: #71 cbinflux

re: #66 DesertSage

ChenZen's?

No, Chen is tame compared to some of the crap out there.

76 SnakeSpit  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:34:31pm

re: #9 DesertSage

Ms. Pelosi? Did someone mention Ms. Pelosi?
[Link: us.st11.yimg.com...]

77 freedomplow  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:35:14pm

Some don't want people to be free.

They will only be (feel) secure if they rule.

Those days are over!

And they are never coming back.

78 Highrise  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:38:45pm

re: #37 SusanL


I will never accommodate those who wish to enslave my daughters.

SusanL,

AMEN! Yesterday some loser posted against me for saying that Islam needed to be exposed for the death CULT it was. The person rambled a bunch of bullcrap that we should not insult islam but just terrorists. POPPYCOCK!

May he hide under a damn rock and I hope to all that is holy he doesn't have a daughter because that would be horrible that he wouldn't help pave the way so that her future is ensured that she will not be enslaved by a horrible horrible cult that hates women.

79 Beagle  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:39:32pm

#61 Karl Popper

Hey, love your work. But you need to get an English translation going if you want to spread the word. Having it in a million different computer formats isn't going to help me read squiggles from right to left.

80 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:39:47pm

re: #73 Highrise

Mind boggling, isn't it? What's worse- despite all this information about them, the press still goes to cair for the "muslim" perspective, and hence legitimizes them. The press doesn't expose them, and the feds don't shut them down.

Thank God for Charles- doing the job msm'ers don't want to do.

81 Highrise  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:40:39pm

re: #80 Sharmuta

Some days..my mind boggles about this stuff till it can't think.

Yes, Thank God for Charles and those like him.

82 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:43:09pm

re: #28 incommunicado

CAIR San Diego Chapter spokesperson Edgar Hopida on the radio tonight and says demographics and religious beliefs are changing in America and we are going to have to make accommodations.

I don't think so...

I keep my accommodations in a cabinet next to my bed. I would be more than happy to accommodate the excrements ... uhhh extremists. Smith and Wesson or Winchester. Which ever they prefer.

83 Fork N' Head  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:43:28pm

Can we deport him to "ENITSELAP" now?

84 wvobiwan  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:44:48pm

CAIR is in charge of taqqiya (however you spell that) for the Jihad. They've been unmasked for some time. Largely thanks to websites like this and others.

The web never forgets Hoopie. Squeal in the grip of our cyber fist, liar! Squirm under the gaze of our Lizard Army, and be afraid!

85 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:45:26pm

re: #78 Highrise

My new favorite islamic apostate quote is, "Muslims are the first victims of islam."

86 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:45:57pm
Yes, Thank God for Charles and those like him.

Yes, and thank God for women like Highrise and Sharmuta. Two of the greatest people that LGF has to offer.

Now, where's sandrine so we can get this party going?

87 pat  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:48:13pm

#73 Highrise
#80 Shar

It is indeed mind boggling. It is almost like Bush and Chertoff are in bed with these creeps. Kind of like the immigration issue. We find out our President is really working for Mexico.

88 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:48:27pm

re: #83 Fork N' Head

Can we deport him to "ENITSELAP" now?

Good one!

89 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:48:41pm

Sage- you are the bomb.

90 Highrise  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:49:17pm

re: #86 DesertSage

Now, where's sandrine so we can get this party going?

You're such a troublemaker aren't you?

/snicker

Well the good thing is, I don't have to delve back through her posts to point out how stupid she is...did all that work that night and will just recycle those posts..and that was only 5 percent of her crap she posted!

91 pat  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:49:45pm

Shar ... is in the effen again. LOL

92 freedomplow  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:49:53pm

Kings and dictators beware.

Your barbarism will end.

The world deserves better than what you have to offer.

Here's how you start... Stop killing people you disagree with.
Get off my property is not a good excuse either.

Time to grow up.

93 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:50:14pm

Dearborn man detained in terrorism investigation scam

A Dearborn man who said he could pay FBI agents thousands of dollars to derail a terrorism investigation was ordered held overnight on a fraud charge in federal court today.

Mohamad Amine Zreik, 37, is to appear for a detention hearing Friday before U.S. Magistrate Judge Mona Majzoub.

Zreik told another man, Wassim Chafic Issa, that the FBI was investigating Issa as the suspected head of Hezbollah in Dearborn, according to a complaint unsealed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Detroit. Zreik told Issa that if Issa paid him $15,000, Zreik would pay the FBI agents involved in the case to remove Issa's name from their files, the complaint alleges.

The FBI recorded conversations between Zreik and Issa and arranged for Issa to make a controlled payment of $3,000 to Zreik before they arrested him.

In fact, Issa had never been under investigation by the FBI, the complaint alleges.

94 anty  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:50:34pm

So CAIR is a bunch of terrorists. Who would have thunk it?

Fookin slime bag POS pork targets. They need to be removed from this country, in a simple way.

ASW

95 pat  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:51:07pm
re: #86 DesertSage

Now, where's sandrine so we can get this party going?

I heard she was dating Scott Beauchump.

96 justadot  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:52:00pm

re: #78 Highrise

Yesterday some loser posted against me for saying for saying that Islam needed to be exposed for the death CULT it was.

I saw that. That one's been around today, but it hasn't posted anything stupid like that. Serious learning curve for that one.

97 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:52:08pm

MM I just wanted to say ... BOOOMER!

98 Resistance Girl  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:52:38pm

Let's get this party going...

Saandrine?

99 Highrise  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:52:41pm

re: #87 pat

I'm completely disgusted about what was said by him, chertoff, mccain, lindsay graham, and a few other republicans we thought wouldn't cave so bad. For the first time I felt a little bit of rage having their fingers shaking at me for my view on their caving. I'm still hot over it..and not the type of hot in a sexy way let me tell you!

I see mccain is trying to backpeddle along with those wet noodle republicans to back different legislation for the border...unlucky for him, I don't forget these things and neither does the American public when it's one of their number one issues.

mccain, give it up..you have zero chance of winning...zero.

100 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:53:20pm

re: #98 Resistance Girl

BEETLEJUICE!

101 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:56:32pm

Detroit pastor to serve prison time for tax fraud

A Detroit pastor who also ran the "God Will Provide Tax Service" was sentenced to 15 months in prison today by a federal judge.

Walter Steen, 49, pleaded guilty to committing tax fraud by altering taxpayer returns to include false or inflated claims for charitable contributions, business expenses and other deductions.

U.S. District Judge George Caram Steeh also ordered Steen to pay restitution of $105,649 for lost tax revenues.

Steen worked at H& R Block in 2001, at Jackson Hewitt from 2002 to 2004 and started his own tax business, God Will Provide, in 2005.

Of 1,578 tax returns Steen prepared between 2002 and 2004, only five did not claim a refund, the U.S. Attorney's Office said in a news release.

/God will provide three hots and a cot.

102 pat  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:56:56pm

re: #99 Highrise

Ditto! He is trying to cover up his sellout to Arizona construction companies. Yes, McCain was going to sellout his country for political contributions. At the age of 70. He is mad.

103 Highrise  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:58:19pm

re: #96 justadot


haha unreal. Just unreal.

I had another person like that come out at me a few months ago for saying the same thing..then sharmuta came in and started to quote the koran to show how hateful and damaging the death cult is by their OWN words..not merely our interpretations...you never have seen someone so pissed off. I show NO mercy verbally to those who wish to minimize the death cult and get all PC on me.

104 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:58:43pm

re: #102 pat

Manchurian chipmunk

105 markie  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 10:59:17pm

I'm glad someone could document it, but I go on the assumption all those characters are in each other's email favorites anyway.

Idea for CAIR exec's nickname: A-Nheeda Bunwad

106 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:00:04pm

re: #99 Highrise

I think a lot of Republicans started to capitulate after last years election. It scared the shit out of them so they got all wobbly on us. They read the election all wrong, and I think now they're starting to understand that. But it's too late for McCain.

After the weak kneed Republicans saw the people stand up oppose the stupid amnesty bill, I think a lot of them woke up. At least I hope so.

107 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:00:47pm

Speaking of Detroit... the "outspoken" Oakland editor who 'hit' this morning previously worked for the Detroit News.

Hmm

108 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:01:09pm

re: #93 cbinflux

How did the FBI learn about Zreik? Did Issa go to them?

109 Highrise  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:02:05pm

re: #106 DesertSage


I think your assessment is correct. But boy did it make me ill to see them do this number one. And number two..good lord almighty, how can anyone be this stupid to misread THIS bad?

I think I'm an average thinker and I guess I expect more from leadership...when they are way dumber than me, that is scary.

110 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:02:19pm

re: #97 LongTallTxn

Huh?

111 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:03:03pm

re: #108 MandyManners

I wonder too. Were they already listening and offered a helping hand?

112 SusanL  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:03:09pm

re: #97 LongTallTxn

Why?

113 Dustyvet  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:03:38pm

re: #28 incommunicado

CAIR San Diego Chapter spokesperson Edgar Hopida on the radio tonight and says demographics and religious beliefs are changing in America and we are going to have to make accommodations.

I don't think so...

Should the word accommodations really read as appeasement?

114 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:05:31pm
115 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:06:18pm

re: #111 cbinflux

Mebbe so. It would make sense.

116 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:06:51pm

re: #113 Dustyvet

Should the word accommodations really read as appeasement?

Yep.

117 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:07:10pm

re: #106 DesertSage

I hope so too.

118 Highrise  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:07:36pm

re: #114 MandyManners

Thank goodness!

I happened to notice this:

"Chapman can now be in Mexico without any problem," Amerena said.


If he goes back there, he dumb lol. There ain't NO way I'd step foot there.

119 Maximu§  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:09:13pm

Well well well...looks like little Nihad likes to play with terrorists, I wonder how long the MSM can hold back the truth from the rest of the sheep...

120 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:10:19pm

re: #117 Sharmuta

re: #106 DesertSage

I hope so too.

You are the bomb!

g'nite all.

121 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:11:59pm

re: #110 MandyManners

Lurked around for quite awhile. For some reason I had it in my head you were a Sooner fan.

122 Beagle  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:12:30pm

Ayaan Hirsi Ali provokes a blogalanche of angry Muslims at WaPo. The Malaysians write in all indignant, while cashing in on the apartheid Bumiputra system for Muslims only.

123 markie  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:13:32pm

re: #119 Maximu§

Well well well...looks like little Nihad likes to play with terrorists, I wonder how long the MSM can hold back the truth from the rest of the sheep...

Easy. After a few days, it will be in the center of the papers, after less time than that its no longer TV news.

124 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:14:18pm

re: #118 Highrise

Beth would probably smack him around if he even mentioned going.

125 rappmandu  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:16:43pm

re: #123 markie

I doubt it'll even make the news.

126 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:17:25pm

Oklahoma GWOT license plate touts terror fight

[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

127 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:18:16pm

re: #121 LongTallTxn

Ah. Nope. The song happened to be attached to the video.

I'm a UT fan as in UT Knoxville.

128 pat  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:18:21pm

#114 MandyManners
Dog. This show is an anomaly here. But we all think he did the right thing. And the Mexicans were covering up for a crime. He should have got the reward.

129 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:18:38pm

re: #122 Beagle

When are they not pissed at her? I bet she has a whole closet full of love letters from 'moderate' moosies.

130 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:19:32pm

Good night, lizards! Gotta' get up early to start a tomato/basil/pasta/mozzarella salad to serve with steak tomorrow night.

131 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:20:11pm

re: #128 pat

I hope Luster's having a fine time in prison.

Good night!

132 pat  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:20:16pm

#122 Beagle


Malay Muslims are in a contest to see if they can be as creepy as the Arabs.

133 pat  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:20:58pm

Nite

134 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:23:02pm

re: #132 pat

Any people that cover their women in burlap sacks are creeps IMO.

135 freedomplow  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:24:36pm

CNN's Ware: Troop Pullout Debate Is 'Delusional,' Would Hand Iraq to al Qaeda

Corruption named as key issue by voters in exit polls

(CNN) -- By a wide margin, Americans who voted Tuesday in the midterm election say they disapprove of the war in Iraq.

But when asked which issue was extremely important to their vote, more voters said corruption and ethics in government than any other issue, including the war, according to national exit polls.

Troop Surge Was Recommended By Iraq Study Group

Do not let people lie to you.

136 Beagle  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:24:37pm

#132 pat

I've read they use their free college educations to study Islamic history, Qur'an recitation, and sharia law. Yeah, cuz we're really short on those people... Meanwhile they spin conspiracy theories as to why they're not getting ahead in business. Egad.

Nite all!

137 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:25:12pm

re: #134 LongTallTxn

We use flour sacks up this way. All the girls get a new one after all the winter baking is done.

138 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:25:58pm

re: #137 cbinflux

LMAO

139 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:26:49pm

re: #138 LongTallTxn

I now have iced tea all over my keyboard!

140 freedomplow  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:28:04pm

For the troops...
My friends.

Bush: "Kerry Comments Insulting and Shameful"

141 zombie  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:29:34pm

Damn, I just counted: there have been 24 LGF threads today. And two updates. All that in the space of just 14 hours. Which makes it practically a new posting every half an hour.

That's got to be some kind of record.

142 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:29:50pm

re: #135 freedomplow

Congress Corruption named as key issue by voters in exit polls


Fixed that for ya!

143 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:31:33pm

re: #141 zombie

I gave up on keepin track already. Just tryin to git thru my shift here at the donut factory.

144 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:32:30pm

Nite y'all

145 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:33:26pm

re: #144 cbinflux

Nite

146 freedomplow  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:33:51pm

re: #142 LongTallTxn

Perfect.

147 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:36:23pm

re: #146 freedomplow

Hard to tell the difference which side of the aisle anyone is on anymore.

148 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:41:36pm

re: #147 LongTallTxn

re: #146 freedomplow

Hard to tell the difference which side of the aisle anyone is on anymore.

(must be) Election year?

149 Carridine  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:43:31pm

As tempting as it is to mock these Muslim yohos in their ignorance and arrogance, I urge restraint for at least TWO reasons:

1/ They CAN learn, especially when we point out many of the flaws in their reasoning thinking; and

2/ Believing ourselves ABOVE them, in intellectual capacity or rational ability or logical training... can lead to COMPLACENCY or HUBRIS!

Better THEY show hubris and blind-spots than that we do!

150 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:44:59pm

re: #148 Yankee Division Son

Yep. Although we dont seem to have election "year" anymore. Seems like we are in a constant election cycle.

151 freedomplow  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:46:35pm

I didn't re: #147 LongTallTxn

I am trying to confuse the left with reality.

152 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:47:18pm

re: #151 freedomplow

I believe the two are mutually exclusive. (lefties and reality)

153 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:48:53pm

re: #152 LongTallTxn

Dont ask me how I know that ... I just "feel" it.

154 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:49:53pm

I cant believe I just replied to myself. Waitress! More coffee plz!

155 Whammo  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:50:35pm

re: #11 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Anyone read News Weak's puff piece on Muslims in America? Now, I don't doubt there are plenty of American Muslims who really do just want a better life for themselves.

But News Weak described CAIR simply as an Islamic civil rights group, and described the Flying Imans case as an example of Islamophobia, passengers and crew panicked by six men just saying their prayers.


Still a lot of people whose main source of news is the MSM.

Islamaphobia? I've said it once and I'll say it again,

"It isn't a phobia if the threat is real"

People that strap bombs to their own children are capable of anything. Period.

156 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:50:38pm

Kinda reminds me of a simpsons episode. the townspeople visit the Mayor to complain... (I forget about what)

Mayor: You hick busybodies can't come in here and tell me what to do..

Mayor's Aide: [whispering in Mayor's ear] Um... Sir, election year, election year..

Mator: What? Again?! This stupid country...

157 pat  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:52:07pm

Beagle, sorry, I am late on this but I read that 50% of Kuwaitis and Saudi scholarships were in Islamic studies. I think the Kuwaitis have changed the policy, but think of that. These idiots contribute nothing to society. It is like the American seminary schools filled with draft dodgers who are now busy underming society to justify their cowardice. (Yes I was drafted and showed up). As you say in Islams case, we have these unproductive, hateful locusts coming out at the rate of hundreds of thousands a year.

158 SeafoodGumbo  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:53:18pm

re: #141 zombie

Damn, I just counted: there have been 24 LGF threads today. And two updates. All that in the space of just 14 hours. Which makes it practically a new posting every half an hour.

That's got to be some kind of record.

Maybe. It seems that during the Israel/Lebanon war, there were a couple days with 20+ threads. I don't know if any topped 24, but IIRC there was one in the low twenties.

Charles ought to be known as "The Hardest Working Man in the Blogosphere." As talented as he is, the time he's devoted to LGF means he's forfeited hundreds of thousands of dollars in income working on the blog non-stop.

159 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:53:53pm

re: #155 Whammo

Islamaphobia? I've said it once and I'll say it again,

"It isn't a phobia if the threat is real"

People that strap bombs to their own children are capable of anything. Period.

Preaching to the choir. What really makes my head hurt is how sooo many people can keep their heads buried in the sand. Too much "if I dont think about it .. it will just go away."

160 pat  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:54:11pm

#141 zombie
And Charles has been chatty too! LOL

161 Carridine  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:55:14pm

Gotta go get my sons from school, but

Ah'll be bock!
162 LongTallTxn  Thu, Aug 2, 2007 11:57:48pm

re: #156 Yankee Division Son

You hick busybodies can't come in here and tell me what to do..

Congress. Simpsons. Art imitating reality?

163 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:00:43am

See yall in a bit. Duty calls.

164 freedomplow  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:05:29am

LongTallTxn

I will never forget.

To Our Veterans ...

***THE MANSIONS OF THE LORD***

There is only one way to discredit our country...

If we allow them to.

I will never allow that.

165 Outrider  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:07:00am

re: #32 KingKenrod

Well, the FBI has known Nihad Awad was linked to Hamas for a long time. So how does George Bush explain this?


Most of the Wikipedia article was written this year. The portion regarding his affiliation with and remarks about Hamas was included 07 July at 1440 hrs according to the Wikipedia History.

166 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:09:58am

Public Radio Blames Boosh for Everything.

We are just too sensitive.

167 Outrider  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:11:42am

re: #155 Whammo

Islamaphobia? I've said it once and I'll say it again,

"It isn't a phobia if the threat is real"

People that strap bombs to their own children are capable of anything. Period.


I saw where someone called it Islamo-awareness. Sounds like a good name to start using. This blanket reference to Islamophobia is merely derogatory in nature and meant to minimize the people that speak out on the dangers of this Islamic beastie.

168 Cartman  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:12:46am

This has most likely already been posted somewhere. What the heck, I can't sleep. ;)

[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

169 freedomplow  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:13:10am

I wake up every morning proud of my country.

Politics drives a lot of people insane.

170 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:16:28am

re: #166 LC LaWedgie

And all this time i thought it was the Jooos

171 sandrine  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:17:04am

No need for long paragraphs when trying to prove the danger of even those Muslims who characterize themselves as "peaceful." As usual, one of my favorite females (other than Hillary) is the brilliant and brave Hirsi Alii
she sums it up rather well. It is a must read:
[Link: newsweek.washingtonpost.com...]

172 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:25:34am

re: #170 LongTallTxn

nope, it's all there - the entire infrastructure of the U.S. has gone to hell in a handbasket solely because of administration intimidation.

Just ask Jack Cafferty.

one trillion dollars in Iraq.

173 Cartman  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:25:49am

re: #171 sandrine

As usual, one of my favorite females (other than Hillary) is the brilliant and brave Hirsi Alii

How could you possibly lump those two together into your all-time favs jar? No legit comparison, whatsoever.

174 pink freud  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:27:03am

It escapes me how anyone could jointly admire both Hillary and Hirsi Ali.

/The cognitive dissonance must be crippling.

175 RTLM  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:28:40am

Went and ipoded the 300 soundtrack - Enjoying it now. Its a good one.

176 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:28:50am

re: #172 LC LaWedgie

It boggles the mind how extensive the BDS has infected the libbos. Of course at this point it shouldnt be too suprising. How far a stretch is it from berating your military and c-in-c in a time of war to blaming the prez for this?

177 freedomplow  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:29:04am

Honor them.
Honor them all.

178 pat  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:29:49am

Pink Freud (best nic ever, TM). Hi
Sandrine, Hi.

179 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:30:10am
180 pink freud  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:31:21am

re: #178 pat


Howdy Pat! Good to see you. Heck of a news day.

181 Ledger1  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:35:20am

re: #22 cbinflux

The Feds should go after their collaborating lawyers as they did the Mafia's.


I agree with that.

It’s time for the Terror Mafia lawyers to reap the same punishment as the mob lawyers did.

182 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:35:29am

I must admit it warms my heart to see whoCAIRs get the spotlight of truth in their eyes

183 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:35:29am

re: #176 LongTallTxn


How far a stretch is it from berating your military and c-in-c in a time of war to blaming the prez for this?

Failure to analyze cause and effect makes it easy for 'em.

184 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:38:18am

re: #183 LC LaWedgie

Certainly had nothing to do with forty years of harsh winters and road chemicals. Nope.

185 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:42:25am

re: #168 Cartman

OldGuy wrote: 27m ago
If there was a God, Bill O'Reilly would have been on a bridge in Minnesota Wednesday.

Wonder how long USA Today is going to leave that comment on there. I thought that the MSM always screened their comments before posting them.

186 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:42:31am

My New Theory™

/because, y'know, Reality is Highly Overrated
//more coffee might be nice, however

All this CAIR litigation is just part of a grand plan by Our Friends the Saudis™ to boost our economy.

Stick with me here...

Lawyers in the U.S. will be seeing a significant increase in income, thanks to thousands of lawsuits brought by CAIR testing our First Amendment. The lawyers will be so busy, in fact, they'll have to stop suing doctors and hospitals, thereby reducing the cost of medical malpractice insurance. The savings in the medical industry will reduce the cost of health care across the board, allowing employers to increase wages and invest in capital improvements.

Our economy will soar! We'll all be rich!

ABDULLAH FOR PRESIDENT!

© 2007 littleoldlady

187 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:43:43am
188 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:44:48am

re: #184 LongTallTxn

You'll probably like this one.
JeffH in Occupied Texas

189 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:45:01am

re: #186 littleoldlady

Hey! I'll buy it! ... not so much. That is too good LoL.

190 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:45:54am

Good Morning Dead Threaders!

I have to run out for a couple of hours (please save fruitcup for me!), but here's something to get you started:

Olmert approves new Arab town in Samaria

191 pink freud  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:47:50am

Goodevening LittleOldLady!

Now there's a stretch of the imagination ...

192 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:50:57am

re: #189 LongTallTxn

:-)

PINK! :-)

PLOOMIE! :-)

Carl, I've gotcher fruitcup right here. ;-)

193 Whammo  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:52:56am

re: #159 LongTallTxn

re: #155 Whammo


Islamaphobia? I've said it once and I'll say it again,
"It isn't a phobia if the threat is real"

People that strap bombs to their own children are capable of anything. Period.


Preaching to the choir. What really makes my head hurt is how sooo many people can keep their heads buried in the sand. Too much "if I dont think about it .. it will just go away."

Yes you're right, but I say it so people will remember it, memorize it.

It is a common LLL tactic to shout down and intimidate others by accusing them of being phobic. They don't want a dialog, they want us to STFU and slink away.

We are in a war, a war that is largely a war of words for the moment. We need to fight for the truth. Not because we will change minds, but because not saying anything is the same as acceptance.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do say nothing." (Edmund Burke)

194 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:53:14am

re: #190 Carl in Jerusalem

That's just so wrong.

195 RTLM  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:53:16am

Some interesting pics of the bridge collapse from a local college student on the scene 10 minutes after the collapse.

LINK

196 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:55:14am

re: #188 LC LaWedgie

He hit that nail square on the head. I believe JeffH just might be my kinda people.

197 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 12:58:07am

re: #193 Whammo

We are in a war, a war that is largely a war of words for the moment. We need to fight for the truth. Not because we will change minds, but because not saying anything is the same as acceptance.


I will not submit!

198 justadot  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:00:16am

Sorry for OT but the gall of these people:
Pakistan urges UK to pull out of Afghanistan

Britain and America have been urged to prepare an exit strategy from Afghanistan by sources within the Pakistan government as the number of fatalities among Nato forces fighting the Taliban grows.

The remarks, by a senior foreign ministry official, reflect the growing belief in Islamabad that Nato is as much to blame for the endurance of the Islamic rebel army as Pakistan, which has been accused by the United States of failing to destroy Taliban training camps on its border.


Great, after the ISI helps create the Taliban, we get this. Of course, his idea:

The diplomatic rift with America has also widened since President George W Bush said that a peace agreement signed between pro-Taliban tribesmen and the Pakistan government in North Waziristan had been a "failure".

Mr Kasuri admitted that the deal had not been a total success but it was weaning some people from the extremists. "We are still trying to isolate extremists by talking," he said.

199 Whammo  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:02:48am

re: #187 ploome hineni


people have to be made aware that the majority of muslims do not speak arabic, do not read arabic, or the archaic arabic of the koran,
and being 'educated' in islam the religion, means memorization of the text without necessarily understanding the text.

I think the Imams are reading from the Arabic. There are several Qur'an interpetations, which vary in political correctness.

Interestingly, there is controversy in the Christian faith about different bible versions. There is a growing movement that says the King James bible is the only inspired version. I have studied the evidence and it is actually pretty damning of other versions.

200 Whammo  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:04:46am

re: #197 LongTallTxn

re: #193 Whammo


We are in a war, a war that is largely a war of words for the moment. We need to fight for the truth. Not because we will change minds, but because not saying anything is the same as acceptance.

I will not submit!

Amen. Some things are worth fighting for.

201 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:10:03am

littleoldlady

Mmmm ... fruitcup!
Are hatchlings allowed a fruit cup?

202 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:13:58am

Hatchlings? Sure! Plenty for all.

/but you have to wait for 5 am Eastern time...

203 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:14:38am

Exxcellent!

204 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:24:51am

...and maybe I'll be awake by then.

/or not.

205 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:25:41am

No fruitcup but I get my own coffee?

Not part of the morning crew. Up late, that's all.

206 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:29:56am
Hmmm. This might help with the tuition bill. Heh heh.

Step right up and get your Coffee Entitlements™ right here!

207 Nadnerb  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:33:16am

I look forward to the day when the gentle muslim organization CAIR holds its first bake sale. Imagine what they would sell!

Why, they're as American as the Boy Scouts! Perhaps we'll be treated to Kuffar Kakes and Dhimmi Donuts outside the neighborhood Albertsons! Ibrahim Hooper, you're invited to next year's 4th of July celebration here in HB. I have a slice of Patriot Pie a la mode for you!

208 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:39:01am

re: #207 Nadnerb

I hope there will be some meat pies. Make mine pullled pork. I am sure the Hoopster wont mind. Hehe

209 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:39:48am

Meant I have my own coffee.

If I spill, I'll sue myself.

210 Nadnerb  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:41:49am

Ah yes, the pork pies. To wash them down, we offer Kuffar Koffee, free trade , of course...

211 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:43:56am

Yes but then you will only have about half your money and a nasty little burn. And make sure you get that Sandler guy. I hear hes top notch. Blah.

212 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:48:40am

Lucky I have great coffee and don't even spill a drop.

213 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:49:01am

re: #209 Resistance Girl

Meant I have my own coffee.

If I spill, I'll sue myself.

You CAN'T sue yourself! See:
re: #186 littleoldlady

You'll mess up the economy!

214 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:50:51am

Maybe I do need some breakfast.

What's in the fruitcup?

215 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:51:48am

Ummm...fruit?

/no trick questions before my 3rd cup!

216 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:52:54am

We hear about the fruitcup, we read about the fruitcup.

What, dear G-d, is in it?

217 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:54:45am

Just eat it™

/Not to worry. Nothing from China...

218 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:54:58am

Why are you so funny and tricky?

Hmmm?

This is where late night and early morning overlap.

219 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:55:13am

re: #216 Resistance Girl

I am sure whatever is in it is quite tasty. I mean hey ... if ya cant trust a littleoldlady who can ya trust?

220 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:57:39am

re: #219 LongTallTxn

re: #216 Resistance Girl

I am sure whatever is in it is quite tasty. I mean hey ... if ya cant trust a littleoldlady who can ya trust?

You jes't be quiet for a moment.

Little ole ladies are the worst.

I should know.

221 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:58:49am

re: #220 Resistance Girl

But ...

222 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:59:54am

re: #221 LongTallTxn

re: #220 Resistance Girl

But ...

But...whatever.

Don't make me take that spoon out, young Texan.

223 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 1:59:58am

(slinks off into corner for a timeout)

224 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:00:09am

Good morning, dead thread.

225 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:00:59am

Hiya Mike C!

226 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:01:04am

re: #223 LongTallTxn

(slinks off into corner for a timeout)

It's okay...

no one's in trouble...it's ok

227 RTLM  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:01:17am

Dead Thread indeed

228 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:01:19am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
YOU MUST EAT THE FRUITCUP!

229 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:04:03am

Puts Urinated Cranky Flakes™ on the buffet for Mikey.

/awesome artwork © Shiplord Kirel

Did your sister contact you, Mikey?

230 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:04:07am

Cheaper than a grand slam at Denny's!

Since Texan and Mike C. are the only ones here besides me, can I have two?

231 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:06:17am

I snuck one out in my jacket. You can have it RG

232 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:06:22am

re: #230 Resistance Girl

You want two, even with not knowing what's in it?!

Sure, sweetie! Have THREE! :-)

/only 48 logged in. I may have made too much anyway...
//Save some for RTLM and Carl

233 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:08:17am

re: #229 littleoldlady


Yep - heard from her yesterday morning after you signed off. She does drive that bridge frequently, but not that day, and she and hers are fine.

234 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:09:06am

re: #231 LongTallTxn

I snuck one out in my jacket. You can have it RG

Did you wrap it up in a napkin before you put it in your pocket?

235 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:12:10am

well ... i ... uhhh no ... didnt wnat it to soak up the juice

236 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:12:20am

re: #233 Mike C.

re: #229 littleoldlady

Yep - heard from her yesterday morning after you signed off. She does drive that bridge frequently, but not that day, and she and hers are fine.

Oh, that IS good news! :-)

237 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:12:49am

I gotta get some more coffee ... coffee is our friend

238 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:13:08am

Now you have soggy pants and I have no fruitcup.

Thanks, Texan. :(

239 RTLM  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:17:11am

Awe shucks littleoldlady - thanks for the thought :)

240 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:17:37am

One for our teachers and educators. They'll "like" this one.

LINK

That will get any teacher started faster than a double helping of Urinated Cranky Flakes, Ga-ron-teed.

Hat tip - rayra.

241 RTLM  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:21:34am

I wouldn't mind seeing rayra, reaganite back in LGF.

Make for some fine popcorn.

242 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:23:07am

re: #198 justadot

Uh-oh, that's not good news and if there's no panic over at the puzzle-palace in Arlington then Bush should be looking for some early retirements with subsequent promotions, certainly, in the Joint Chief's and probably a level-or-two down.

Mush is without question looking to head to his retirement home in ImOuttaHereStan, this of course comes by way of confirmation with his talking and negotiating with Bhutto. To be quite blunt, Mush is effectively changing sides because there's no-way-in-hell Bhutto, the more secular, reformist or democratically inclined of Paki's will be able to stand-up to Iran and whatever their alignment is with various Sunni's and/or other Islamofascists.

Pakistan is effectively the birth place of this Jihad movement, it being the jump-off point, point of initial training/organization, finance and arming of the mujahadeen during the Soviet-Afghan War. This Sunni-Shi'ite divide is one of those 'use it or lose it' type deals. There are numbers upon numbers of instances where they work extremely well and effectively together, Pakistan & the Soviet-Afghan war one such instance - probably the most notable. More recently you had Ahmadinejad and his military commanders meeting with primarily Sunni leaders in Damascus Jan/Feb of 06'.

Watch the Iranian news sites, Baztab, Fars, Irna... Sometimes daily but almost every other day there's some story of Ahmadinejad, Mottaki, Larijani, some head Mullah - even the Supreme Fubar himself -- calling for Muslim unity. Iran gets the bomb you can bet there'll be unity as all of the regional states become the longest, best-ever friends of the Mullah's. Which, BTW, is why I'm opposed to any regional arms deals unless it's with the Israeli's - and arm them to the teeth with absolutely anything they request. And then some.

Mornin folks.

243 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:25:56am

TEACHERS?! How about parents who have kids that follow the rules?!

Gotta love it. A "pass/fail" system where you can't fail.

244 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:29:48am

re: #242 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Plenty of fruitcup today. Help yourself! :-)

245 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:31:42am

re: #241 RTLM

They are not going to be allowed back in, and wouldn't come if they were.

Meanwhile, Iranian Air Force update. Interesting observations RE the SU-30 v the F-15.

246 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:38:28am

re: #222 Resistance Girl

Somebody has been in the Cranky Flakes.

247 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:40:21am

Thank you for the snack, littleoldlady.

Didn't touch or sneeze on any of the rest of the fruitcups.

248 reggie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:40:30am
According to FBI reports, the men tried to hide their true agenda, agreeing not to even say the word “HAMAS” - but to call it “SAMAH” its reverse - even in their private conversations.

.sdaehkciD

249 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:42:00am

re: #248 reggie

.yltcaxE

250 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:44:15am

re: #247 Resistance Girl

Thank you for the snack, littleoldlady.

Didn't touch or sneeze on any of the rest of the fruitcups.

Mah nishtah nah haliyah hazeh?

/germs are good.
//I also write 3-month long absence notes

251 RTLM  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:44:30am

re: #245 Mike C.

Meanwhile, Iranian Air Force update. Interesting observations RE the SU-30 v the F-15.

Don't see this deal going thru - at least not in those numbers. Vis'a'vis )sp) Russia-Iran.

Iran never pays its bills.

The Su-30 bested our F-15's, but with out the AESA radar and uprated AMRAMS. Always hiding true capabilities - from India. IMHO a mistake to treat India like a China, but oh well.

252 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:45:04am

.doog saw puctiurF

253 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:51:43am

re: #251 RTLM


What people haven't seemed to consider is how long it would take to deliver that full order. It's not like Alexi over at SUs-R-Us has 250 sitting on the lot. He'd have to, like, build them. Then the Iranians would have to learn how to fly them. And they'd still get their asses kicked all over the airspace if they took on anybody serious.

254 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:51:51am

!emoclew er'uoY

/I'm dyslexic enough without this game...

255 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:54:02am

re: #254 littleoldlady

!emoclew er'uoY

/I'm dyslexic enough without this game...

oot, eM.

Good night from my side, good morning to you. :)

Bye.

256 RTLM  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:56:50am

re: #253 Mike C.

Yep. Seems Vlad is promising large qtys of these jets to just about everyone with an oil spigot or oil need.

Cash customers can be damn impatient.

257 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:57:29am

re: #255 Resistance Girl

See you on the other side! :-)

258 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 2:59:08am

We're on the same side..just see you in the afternoon. Maybe. G'nite. :)

259 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:00:40am

It's very nice to have someone on my side...

260 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:01:57am

Cookie-tossing time ...

The Rise of Kos

261 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:02:18am

re: #259 littleoldlady

It's very nice to have someone on my side...

Ssssh...don't tell!

G'nite for reals!

262 RTLM  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:09:44am

Internet gah gah

263 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:14:14am

Real.Life.Intrudes.

/earlier and earlier every day.
//this truly stinks.

Good day, ALL!™

264 RTLM  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:14:22am
265 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:16:00am
Awad was asked about the meeting during a 2003 deposition for a civil lawsuit. He initially said he didn’t think he had attended the Philadelphia meeting. When pushed he replied, “I don’t remember.” Nor did he remember whether he was invited.


I have been places and couldn't remember if I was invited.

say the word “HAMAS” - but to call it “SAMAH” its reverse
Yeah,
have had that happen also.

Morning Lizards.
Hope you know where you are this morning?

266 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:16:31am

re: #263 littleoldlady

Sorry I just missed you. Have a good day. :-)

Good morning, people.

267 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:24:47am

Time to repost this re-run:

Oy! There's an Awad in my Nihad!

268 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:28:12am

re: #260 Mike C.

Cookie-tossing time ...

The Rise of Kos

The key litmus tests for Kos and his many allies in the blogosphere involve not long lists of issues developed by the American Civil Liberties Union or the AFL-CIO, but loyalty in standing up against Bush and doing what's necessary to build a Democratic majority.

WOW,
this man is a great organizer, leader, and with great ideas,
He should be President.

/

269 RTLM  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:28:52am

Feh!

270 RTLM  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:30:22am

nite all

271 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:32:07am

re: #267 BabbaZee

Time to repost this re-run:

Oy! There's an Awad in my Nihad!

Ha.
Babba,
those old re-runs never get old.

Open the window.

272 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:33:28am

re: #256 RTLM

More than meets the eye...

===

Lies That Benefit Everyone

August 2, 2007: Stories of potential weapons purchases are often just rumors, or stories planted to cause a bit of mischief. That is often hard for intelligence officers – and those who follow such things – to determine what is real. Perhaps the most recent example of this is the rumor that Iran is about to buy 250 Su-30 jet fighters and 20 Il-78 tankers. This rumor, even if it is untrue, will have its effects on friend and foe alike.

This is not the first time that Iran has been rumored to be making a big purchase from Russia. Throughout the 1990s, Iran figured in rumors of numerous major deals, most notably the one about a small force of Russian Tu-22M heavy hombers, capable of firing the AS-4 air to ground missile (which has a range of over 500 kilometers and a 2,000-pound warhead). That deal was on and off multiple times, and ultimately did not materialize. Iran eventually bought some MiG-29s, T-72s, and Kilo-class submarines, though.

Rumors of purchases can serve many purposes – and also many sides. For Iran, the benefits of a rumored purchase are manifold. First, there is the morale boost it can provide for the military and/or Revolutionary Guards. Troops like to get new equipment, especially if it promises to be an improvement over current gear. For Iran, the Su-30s would be an upgrade over the aging force of F-14, F-4, and F-5 aircraft.

It can also affect potential adversaries as well. For instance, the rumored purchase could hopefully deter an Israeli attack – thereby preserving Iran's nuclear weapons program from an attack. Failing that, it could force the Israelis into attacking sooner than they would like – in order to get their blow in before Iran can integrate the new aircraft into their military structure. This would give the Iranians ample fodder for their propaganda efforts against Israel.

That said, not all of the effects will be negative. Israeli and American Air Forces will be using this purchase for the really important war – the annual budget. The Israelis will be asking for a lot more aid, and access to more advanced platforms, like the F-35 and F-22. The United States Air Force will be able to use this to push for more F-22s as well, keeping that production line open. That turn of events would make F-22 manufacturer Lockheed very happy. So will Saudi Arabia, which will now have reason to push harder for systems like Aegis. The Russian aircraft manufacturers, of course, will have the potential for a new customer.

In essence, rumors like this will cut both ways. Iran will benefit, but at the same time, so will potential adversaries – no matter what happens. In essence, these rumors will cause a lot of trouble – and could lead to a number of countries spending a lot of money to counter a deal that may not go through at all. – Harold C. Hutchison (haroldc.hutchison@gmail.com)

WE DO
WHAT WE CAN,
R

273 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:35:50am

Mike,
sorry for using the quote button, I just cant help myself.

/kid with a new toy to play with.

274 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:37:28am

re: #271 ibmkeyboard
lol
I really should make some more soon...

275 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:40:00am

re: #268 ibmkeyboard


What that article ignores is the audience reached by the two different methodologies. And I would bet there is a substantial difference in demographics, and not just politics.

276 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:43:10am

re: #274 BabbaZee

I love that guy on the phone, and then he shoots at the closed window.
frigging paranoid,

reminds me of my early years.

277 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:43:45am

Rioting will not commence.


A new comedy spoof on the Ten Commandments portrays Jesus Christ deflowering a sexy virgin, and is raising some eyebrows in the Christian community.

"The Ten," rated R for pervasive strong, crude sexual content, language and some drug material, stars Jessica Alba, Winona Ryder, Gretchen Mol and Liev Schreiber among others.

The movie which opens Friday features ten separate stories, each inspired by one of the Ten Commandments from the Holy Bible.


278 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:45:20am
279 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:46:00am

re: #275 Mike C.

And I would bet there is a substantial difference in demographics, and not just politics.

The fuckers are crazy.

/sorry,

I shouldn't have said the f word.

/ I will get in time out.

280 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:47:33am

I was in time out earlier. Not so bad if there are any fruitcups left.

281 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:47:43am
I shouldn't have said the f word.

Yea... just exactly what the fuck is wrong with you, IBM?

Bwaha

282 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:51:31am

re: #278 BabbaZee

Friday Night Football Jihad.

283 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:52:31am

re: #279 ibmkeyboard


Let's all remember that Howard Dean had the nomination locked by owning the liberal internet crowd. When it came to actual voting, though...

284 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:52:43am

re: #268 ibmkeyboard

Unfortunately for the great and mighty KOS this is a typical contributor

285 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:55:28am

re: #282 ibmkeyboard

Friday Jewhad of the Little Green Feetballs!

BONGTWA!

Release the bongs of war!

Be back in a little while.

286 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:55:33am

Almost BEER:30! Been a long nite here at the donut factory

287 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:57:47am

Babba,
I plan to kill a Jew or two for Allah today.

Bwah.

That is some classic Jihad.

I would like to kill some damn squirrels in my attic.

/cant cuss anymore,
Charles runs a clean site.

288 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:59:12am

re: #284 LongTallTxn

re: #268 ibmkeyboard

Unfortunately for the great and mighty KOS this is a typical contributor

Bwhahahah.

Please allow me to bookmark that?

289 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 3:59:24am

re: #287 ibmkeyboard

are we still allowed STFU, WTF, STFD etc...?

290 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:00:20am

re: #288 ibmkeyboard

certainly! I would be remiss in not mentioning that comes form sheikurmamis site

291 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:01:10am

PIMF sheikyermami's


DOH

292 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:01:51am

re: #279 ibmkeyboard

Uh, question...

Skimming the past few days, I've noticed that Charles is getting a lot stricter here regarding permissible language.

Are there new rules assembled and published somewhere? Or is the new ambience something you have to pick up on the go?

Does anyone know... are the new restrictions on content and / or style?

In short, is the F word now a punishable offense?

293 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:03:33am

re: #287 ibmkeyboard

/cant cuss anymore,

Is that serious? New rule?

294 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:04:13am

re: #292 nonic

I've noticed that when the F bomb gets dropped its usually F**k. He got annoyed the other night when a poster was just spewing. But I haven't heard of any knew guidelines

295 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:04:19am

uh-oh...

I think I just broke a rule. I left an e-mail addy in my #272 cut&paste from Stratpage.

===

Bongs at 7am? Are you cwazy?

ONE
EYE
OPEN,
R

296 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:05:23am

PIMF knew=new So much for all that scratch for school

297 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:07:17am

re: #292 nonic

Does anyone know... are the new restrictions on content and / or style?

In short, is the F word now a punishable offense?

Nah,
But don't use it more than twice in 300 comments.

Ha.

I use frigging, f$ck, up-yours, f#ck, and f..k off.

The kos kiddies cant read code.

298 sheik yer'mami  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:08:10am

We all know that Nihad Awad is dirty. He is a jihadist and a Hamas or Muslim brotherhood member, probably both. What's the difference?

But was Hamas already outlawed in 1993?
[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

299 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:10:18am

re: #277 BabbaZee

It just sounds dumb.

300 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:11:06am

re: #296 LongTallTxn

PIMF knew=new So much for all that scratch for school

Is that LongTallTax man,
or LongTallTexan.

I have to be careful around the IRS.

301 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:11:39am

re: #295 Render

Hey, I am pretty sure that Bongs at 7 A.M. are cool around here. I think the pedophile prophet will have a problem with it somehow.

302 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:14:31am

re: #300 ibmkeyboard

LOL That would be texan. Dont throw me in with those gov't weinies!

303 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:15:11am

re: #297 ibmkeyboard

Thanks.

304 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:15:42am

Morning all.
So if Delhi's nightmare (jihadist overthrow of Musharraf and an Islamofascist government in Islamabad with its hands on the nucular triggers) occurs, would Obama support sending American forces in to secure the Pakistani nukes?
Could it be unilateral or would we need to have the support of the whole friggin UN Security Council?

305 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:16:53am

re: #302 LongTallTxn

Hi tex. Where at?
Former San Antonio and Houston resident here.

306 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:17:54am

Morning {BABBA}
I never said thanks for your kind words over at my blog a month or so ago.
Things are better.

307 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:18:09am

re: #304 Jim in Virginia

Hopefully we wouldnt wait for support from the whole council. Otherwise, a snowball has a better chance of going to hell and back then gettin a favorable outcome from those asshats. Maybe we could get a strongly worded letter though!

308 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:18:41am

re: #299 Roger

re: #277 BabbaZee

It just sounds dumb.

I bet that movie will bring in hundreds of American viewers, and

Millions of Islamsicks.

We can depend on Hollyweed to spread the Gospels.

309 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:18:47am

re: #305 Jim in Virginia

Haslet, Tx Just north of Ft Worth

310 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:20:26am

re: #304 Jim in Virginia

Now that is a complicated question with many variables. I can tell you this, what ever is the worst choice for the United States is the one they will take. Sort of like a liberal version of Occam's Razor if you will.

311 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:21:15am

Good Morning Lizards.

Just got back from being out sick. There is a very nasty flu bug going around here that got me in the middle of a meeting Wednesday morning. One minute I was on a conference call doing fine and the next minute the room started spinning and my staff was asking me if I was feeling okay. Next thing I know I'm waking up on the floor and my staff is standing around wondering if I'm dead. They thought I had a heart attack.

But, one full day of sleeping in bed and sipping ginger ale has me back on my feet and at work. Don't think I'm going to have an appetite for solid food for about 10 years though...

Prayers and condoleces go out to those involved in the bridge collapse in Minnesota. I'm a little behind the news, is this tragedy Bush's fault yet?

312 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:22:00am

re: #301 Prisoner of Diesel

oh. Well in that case, pass it over.

WHERE'S
THE
CARB?,
R

313 squarepeg  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:23:43am

re: #304 Jim in Virginia

Well, Jim, I'm sure President Obama would see to it that we'd secure anyone's nukes but our own.

But the real problem is, you're asking complicated questions. Homey don't play that game.

314 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:24:53am

re: #312 Render

I think BabbaZee still has it. She said something earlier up thread about making more Bollywood movies, and needs the inspiration.

315 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:26:40am

re: #311 3 wood

Next thing I know I'm waking up on the floor and my staff is standing around wondering if I'm dead. They thought I had a heart attack.

And that's their response? Standing around, wondering whether the old man's bought it?

/one of us must be kidding

316 LongTallTxn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:27:08am

re: #311 3 wood

Yep

Bush did it!

317 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:27:16am

re: #304 Jim in Virginia

So if Delhi's nightmare (jihadist overthrow of Musharraf and an Islamofascist government in Islamabad with its hands on the nucular triggers) occurs, would Obama support sending American forces in to secure the Pakistani nukes?
Could it be unilateral or would we need to have the support of the whole friggin UN Security Council?


Are you President Bush?
You misspelled Nuclear. ha.

Obama will not touch Nukes under any circumstances.
So it will have to UN approved.

/If Russia Nukes us, will Obama call them and ask them not to do it again?

Vote Obama,
Peace and Security in our last days.

318 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:28:00am

re: #292 nonic


Does anyone know... are the new restrictions on content and / or style?

In short, is the F word now a punishable offense?

Don't know of any specific ground rules being made, but my general impression is the patience is running a bit thin with some posters who think dropping the F-bomb somehow makes their contributions more witty or is a subsititute for facts and logic. Ever been to a sports event where some drunken slob thinks he's the first person to ever know how to yell the F-bomb and wants the whole crowd to know it?

It gets old real fast.

319 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:28:14am

re: #311 3 wood

Someone on LGF posted yesterday that all of the victims have not been recovered and they ACTUALLY were blaming Bush. It would be out of character for a state that elected Keith Ellison to do otherwise.

320 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:28:21am
321 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:33:14am

re: #315 nonic

And that's their response? Standing around, wondering whether the old man's bought it?

/one of us must be kidding

A couple were continuing the conference call. At least no one was measuring my office for new drapes...yet.

322 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:35:16am

re: #316 LongTallTxn

Thanks, thought so. Funny how this bridge was identified as structurally shakey in 1990, and fixing them is a state responsibility, but now it's Bush's fault.

323 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:35:17am

re: #311 3 wood

In various combinations, ginger ale, chicken soup, and/ or tomato juice will cure nearly everything.

324 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:35:55am

re: #319 Prisoner of Diesel


Thanks.

325 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:36:04am

re: #311 3 wood

3 Wood meet Norovirus, Norovirus meet 3 Wood.

326 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:38:52am

re: #318 3 wood

Ever been to a sports event

No.

Well, actually, I have to correct that. I was once at a HS basketball game my son was playing in. I embarrassed him and everyone else by applauding for a basket made by the OTHER side. (I thought it was just good sportspersonship.)

And. I was once at a college rugby game another son was playing in. I saw a gang of vicious, mindless thugs (I don't CARE if they were from Princeton) attacking my child, and I left early and never went back.

(When he had told me he wore a bandana tied around his head so nobody would tear his ears off, I thought he was kidding. He wasn't.)

327 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:39:20am

"Norovirus, not just for cruises anymore." -Madison Ave trial balloon

328 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:40:05am

re: #306 Jim in Virginia

I am so glad to hear that.
{MWAH}

329 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:42:03am

re: #323 Jim in Virginia

In various combinations, ginger ale, chicken soup, and/ or tomato juice will cure nearly everything.

Well, being home sick gave me the opportunity to listen to the White Sox and then the Yankees both score 8 runs a piece in the 2nd inning yesterday, for the first time in the history of the game. I was going in and out of fever induced weird dreams at that point and thought I was imagining it. The inning lasted for over an hour. I wanted to throw up just listening to it.

By the way Jammie, if you are out there, Clemens is toast. You give up 8 runs to the banjo hitting White Sox, you need to find something else to do with your time.

330 EE  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:44:37am

The feds' placing of CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad at a meeting of HAMAS members and supporters goes far to explain why CAIR refuses to name HAMAS as a terrorist organization. CAIR tries to give support to HAMAS, but in a way that doesn't result in any criminal charges being filed. So of course they are not going to name their ally HAMAS as a terrorist organization.

HAMAS is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the CAIR leadership works to carry out the goals of the Muslim Brotherhood. Their actions also tend to inhibit Muslim opposition to known terrorist organizations, and known terrorists. For example, there was a billboard denouncing Osama bin Laden as an enemy of America, and pressure from CAIR forced the removal of the billboard, on the flimsy grounds that it would offend Muslims.

Currently, CAIR is involved in a smear campaign against the well respected writer and scholar Robert Spencer.
On TV, a CAIR spokesman smeared Spencer (in Spencer's absence) signalling a new campaign of libel against Spencer, and a letter from attorneys for CAIR to YAF also smeared Spencer and tried to prevent YAF from speaking at a YAF convention. The reason for this is that Spencer is knowledgable about CAIR and especially about the roots of jihadism, so they want to prevent kafirdom from learning the information that he has to share. Another reason may be that they want to boost their declining membership by attacking somebody, so they create an enemy to attack and to demonize. Muslims should note that Spencer, on his website JihadWatch, had a tribute to the late Tashbih Sayyed, an American of the Muslim faith, who was a model for Muslims who favor liberal democracy and who want an enlightenment in Islam.

331 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:44:46am

re: #283 Mike C.


Hey Mikey, you still around?

332 Jim in Virginia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:45:11am

re: #318 3 wood

In short, is the F word now a punishable offense

I got the impression (in the multiple bridge collapse threads Wednesday night) Charles was irritated at lizards sniping at each other, not at the language per se.

333 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:48:22am

Sorry,
I had to go take a CAIR.

Did I miss anything?

Be right back.
forgot to flush.

334 thanos  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:49:01am

Another Reuters' article framed with IWV: Islamist World View

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

have to get ready for work, see you all later

335 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:49:14am

re: #331 3 wood

I'm back on. Had to get brekkies, travel to the office, etc. Wazzup ?

336 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:50:34am

Friday morning and I have to WORK work.

later.

337 EE  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:50:53am

re #330
See the left sidebar of JihadWatch, and notice the memorial listing of the late Tashbih Sayyed, an American of the Muslim faith and a model of a supporter of liberal democracy and a Muslim opponent of the terrorists.
[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

338 hmslizard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:51:01am

Romney: Hezbollah role model for U.S.
Urges emulating welfare projects used by terror group against Israel

From World Net Daily
Its bad enough when the republicans are racing each other to adopt the democratic party platform. Now they want to use terrorist organizations?

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=569 79

339 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:52:43am

re: #333 ibmkeyboard

With this comment, you have now offended Osama Bin Ladin (D) Wazeristan. You have pressed the seethe button for a bunch of folks. Thank you.

340 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:53:59am

Back to the real world.

Steady job growth seen in July

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Economists expect steady job growth in July as the labor market remains tight.
Economists expect payroll growth of 133,000 in the July unemployment report, almost identical to the 132,000 jobs created in June.
The unemployment rate is expected to remain at 4.5%

For those not familiar with macroeconomic theory, the 4.5% unemployment rate is key. This means the economy is very healthy and moving forward. There is something called the "natural rate of unemployment" and, sparing you all the high falutin' jargon, it means that no matter what you do there will always be some unemployment. The lower the unemployment number gets, the tighter the labor market is, the more you have to scrape the bottom of the labor barrel to hire staff, and the more you end up over-paying for what you get in productivity. All of that puts inflationary pressure on prices and can start slowing things down.

But we still have relatively low inflation and a very tight labor market. So folks looking for work are finding it and prices are staying relatively stable. That means, overall, things are doing very well.

341 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:55:45am

Straw poll

1) Her thighness/B. Hussein Barak

2) Romney/Paul

3) Shoot me now

342 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:57:17am

re: #318 3 wood

I dont think it has anything to do with the word fuck itself
it has to do with context and tone and idiocy quotient

343 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:57:22am

re: #335 Mike C.

Let me link you to some youtube music clips now while I got the chance that I think you will like. I realize you are probably at work now so you can't look right away, but book mark them and enjoy them later at your rooms. This will take a few minutes to set up, be back in a few.

344 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:57:26am

re: #341 BenZacharia

Reality has became a Monty Python skit.

345 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:59:11am

re: #344 Prisoner of Diesel

LOL

Call in THE BISHOP!

346 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 4:59:48am

re: #344 Prisoner of Diesel

Had Orwell been more prescient, "1984" would have been written as a dark comedy.

347 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:01:14am

re: #342 BabbaZee


I dont think it has anything to do with the word fuck itself
it has to do with context and tone and idiocy quotient

Could be, I did not see the exchanges mentioned, the nasty language just seems to get a little much at times and befouls the place.

348 eon  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:02:18am

re: #322 3 wood

re: #316 LongTallTxn

Thanks, thought so. Funny how this bridge was identified as structurally shakey in 1990, and fixing them is a state responsibility, but now it's Bush's fault.

Morning, everyone.

NBC News is all over it, as you might expect. Last night, their lead-in ad was "Bridges all over America are dangerous. Our infrastructure is on the verge of collapse? Why hasn't anything been done? Ask your Congressman!"

Since they've been "asking" Democrats who all maintain that all the money for fixing bridges has been spent in Iraq, I didn't bother to watch the actual story.

The biggest problem was correctly identified by an engineer for the Ohio Department Of Transportation (ODOT) on our local radio station this morning. Most of our interstate highway bridges were built forty to fifty years ago as part of the Interstate Highway program of the 1950s and '60s, and they had a planned service life of...fifty years. The original assumption was that, within that time, they would be replaced by improved bridges, or maybe even improved technology (hovercars, anyone?). But it just didn't happen that way.

The other serious problem is that, under the IH Act, the Army Corps of Engineers is nominally responsible for the interstates (they were originally intended for rapid troop movements in case of a repeat of WW II), but they have no actual authority to order maintenance on the highways or bridges. The states have the responsibility for that, albeit with Federal funding assistance. Which means that the ACE can inspect bridges, and if they find them to be defective, they can recommend that they be repaired. But the states are under no onus to follow the recommendation.

If the above sounds eerily like the business with the levees around New Orleans after Katrina, it is pretty much the same thing.

The difference in this case is, now that the bridge has actually collapsed and caused deaths and injuries, the National Transportation Safety Bureau (NTSB) of the Department of Commerce is involved. And they do have some actual power. And generally aren't afraid to use it when needed.

The weeks to come could get interesting.

Have to run, thunderstorm inbound.

Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

349 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:03:03am

re: #347 3 wood

I myself enjoy a well placed expletive.

Personal sniping, stealth snarking, gratuitous flaming and sheer idiocy I do not enjoy.
And I am sure Charles hates it too, LOL

350 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:03:47am

re: #341 BenZacharia

Straw poll

1) Her thighness/B. Hussein Barak

2) Romney/Paul

3) Shoot me now

lol


/CAIR sucks.
paid terrorist support organization working in America.

CIA and FBI need to go to work also.

/I am late.

351 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:04:10am

Get yer scoot on, IBM.

352 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:04:23am

re: #345 BabbaZee

DeeJay BabbaZee strikes again!

353 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:08:04am

re: #352 Prisoner of Diesel

My favorite Diesel

Stupid movie... but oh how I loved his Maccabee kick-yo-ass style in it

354 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:08:58am

#348 Eon

Good post.

[Link: www.fhwa.dot.gov...]

Eisenhowers Defense Highway System and the Federal Highway Act of 1956.

Saw heavy use during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

LATTERAL
MOVEMENTS,
R

355 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:09:20am

Morning all! 73 degrees in hazy Chambodia "the speed trap they built a multi-ethnic community around just to bulldoze for McMansions." On it's way to the 90s today. Another 3H-er it looks like. Gotta cut the grass.

re: #349 BabbaZee

Hey Babba!

Here snipe, snipe, snipe

Here snipe, snipe, snipe

When RealWest gets here we'll make him hold the bag.

356 Glackinspeil  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:10:12am

According to FBI reports, the men tried to hide their true agenda, agreeing not to even say the word “HAMAS” - but to call it “SAMAH” its reverse

The 3 stooges, in order to hide their secret agenda, agree to call the planet Venus by it's backwards name -- Sunev.

357 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:10:40am
358 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:10:55am

Has any politician floated the notion that %100 of motor fuel taxes and license and registration fees be applied ONLY to roads, bridges and closely related infrastucture/functions?

359 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:11:03am

re: #355 lucius septimius

lol
shhh... be vewwy vewwy qwiet
ahm snipe huntin'

360 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:12:25am

re: #356 Glackinspeil

As somebody said above (Beagle, I think) that suggests an consciousness of guilt, but what a clumsy way to try and hid their intentions. The Stooges, IMHO, were far more sophisticated that CAIR.

361 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:12:28am

re: #357 lucius septimius

You can officially cover "country" for WLGF lol

I have never heard that one.

362 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:13:38am

Ok, now we've got a real problem(ht: John, Powerline)

An outrage was committed on the House floor tonight. I still can't quite believe what happened.

While voting on a motion to recommit for the agricultural appropriations legislation, the presiding chair (who is a Democrat member) gaveled the vote closed. The tally was clear and the vote was over. The Republicans had won. Then, realizing what had happened - the Dems allowed just their people to keep voting to change the result. Let's be clear, this wasn't holding the vote open - they changed the results of a vote that was legally declared over.

Definately read his whole post.

But I will say this, if this is true and starting...we've crossed the line of political debate and entered into an entirely different arena.

363 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:14:55am

re: #332 Jim in Virginia

Charles was irritated at lizards sniping at each other,

I can believe that. I saw where he said he doesn't want "squabbling" or attacks targeted on LGF or on him.

I'm all for that. I think if people can't remain civil and polite while disagreeing, then I don't want to hang around with them anyway. As for attacking LGF or Charles, I wouldn't think people like that would want to hang around with us.

364 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:15:05am

re: #362 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

I think that has happened before, PLENTY. And if they cant change it that way, they will attempt to change it by lawyering up. (see FLA 2000)

365 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:15:29am

re: #359 BabbaZee

After all, realwest is a New Yorker who might enjoy an snipe hunting evening in the country.

366 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:16:14am

re: #365 Roger

Absolutely, I think it would do him good!

367 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:16:37am

re: #358 BenZacharia

Has any politician floated the notion that %100 of motor fuel taxes and license and registration fees be applied ONLY to roads, bridges and closely related infrastucture/functions?

No. That's the glory of excise taxes -- the vast majority aren't aware they're paying them and have no idea where the money goes.

After hearing Harry Reid insinuate that we've been neglecting the infrastructure because of the war-no-war, I started seething thinking of how many folks I know who will jump on the BUSH DID IT bandwagon knowing nothing about who actually pays for road construction, repair, etc. It ain't the POTUS, that's fer shure.

368 Glackinspeil  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:17:14am

re: #360 lucius septimius

re: #356 Glackinspeil

As somebody said above (Beagle, I think) that suggests an consciousness of guilt, but what a clumsy way to try and hid their intentions. The Stooges, IMHO, were far more sophisticated that CAIR.

Remember the episode where the stooges disguised themselves as muslims and ended up being part of the harem? The sheik fell in love with curly--hilarious!

369 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:18:57am

re: #335 Mike C.


1. Jerusalem Ridge - Bill Monroe Blue grass tune. Best version I've seen yet on youtube. There is some banjo work here I think you may like. This is my current project to learn and get this one down. I have it about 95% figured out, I'm just playing it about half speed right now. Played here by a midwestern group called the Mayflies.

2. Seminole Wind - Kentucky Sassafras - I had the pleasure of jamming with the fiddle player and the mandolin player at a festival in June. Believe it or not the fiddle player is 16 and the mandolin player is 12, and two nicer kids you can not find. Some good banjo work here two, and that young man is IIRC 18. The singing is a bit flat but the music itself is very good. Get yourself to a festival, join in a jam, and you get to play music with talent like this.

3. I like Singing Folk Songs - Butch Ross - Butch is a friend of mine, he won some awards with this tune and it is on his first CD. He tends to play a dulcimer like a guitar, here he is using a 3/4 size dulcimer and reverse-strung it, tuned (I believe to DAA). Humorous tune.

370 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:20:02am

re: #362 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Any hope it was caught on C-Span? The cockroaches need the light shined on them.

371 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:20:22am

re: #368 Glackinspeil

re: #360 lucius septimius

re: #356 Glackinspeil

As somebody said above (Beagle, I think) that suggests an consciousness of guilt, but what a clumsy way to try and hid their intentions. The Stooges, IMHO, were far more sophisticated that CAIR.

Remember the episode where the stooges disguised themselves as muslims and ended up being part of the harem? The sheik fell in love with curly--hilarious!

Careful -- that episode would be a "hate crime" nowadays. Along with the Bugs Bunny "Ali Baba" episode.

"Open sesame? Open sarsaparilla? ..."

372 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:21:30am

re: #349 BabbaZee

Personal sniping, stealth snarking, gratuitous flaming and sheer idiocy I do not enjoy.

100% agree with you on THAT.

And we've seen it before, that personal sniping and snarking was a ticket out.

Snipers and snarkers, beware.

373 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:23:24am

re: #362 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

If true it means civil war is closer than first guesstimates.

374 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:23:33am

re: #372 nonic

Sniping is bad, snarking tiresome, but "sheer idiocy" can be sort of fun some times, ya gotta admit.

BBL -- gotta mow the lawn

375 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:23:38am

re: #368 Glackinspeil

YES! I love that one.
I can't find it on YouTube though

376 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:25:05am

re: #374 lucius septimius

The bloom is off sheer idiocy for me, too many years of listening to it I guess, LOL

377 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:25:22am

re: #362 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

oh fuggin yay...

It's Steny Hoyer again.

In my unprofessional straw-poll of Maryland residents, I still haven't found a single Marylander who will admit to ever voting for Hoyer. Most Marylanders don't even know who he is...

WHO ARE
THESE GUYS?,
R

378 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:26:30am

re: #371 lucius septimius

[BLINK]

Open...Septuagenarian?

379 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:26:49am

re: #372 nonic

Amen.

380 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:27:54am

re: #374 lucius septimius

but "sheer idiocy" can be sort of fun some times, ya gotta admit.

That's what blonde jokes are for. :-)

381 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:28:36am
382 WeaselZipper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:30:25am

morning all!

Mitt losing his mind?

Mitt Romney: US Should Emulate Hezbollah. Wait, What?...

JERUSALEM – Republican presidential candidate Gov. Mitt Romney has cited the social welfare network of the Lebanese Hezbollah terror group as a role model the U.S. should copy to help promote "goodness" and "freedom" around the world.

383 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:30:48am

American Diplomacy: Still Creating Palestine

(2007-07-28) In the aftermath of the Hamas takeover of Gaza, the Bush Admin.
is continuing the policy of strengthening Abu Mazen supported by the Israeli
government. JINSAs Director of Special Projects Shoshana Bryen concludes that
it is a policy divorced from the reality of Palestinian politics and runs
counter to the principles of President Bushs July 24, 2002 speech setting out
the requirements for American support for an independent Palestinian State.

Read more @ [Link: www.jinsa.org...]

384 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:32:23am

They fuss about the firings of some lawyers but then trash the very foundations of our representative republic? We need to start sending some Congress peoples back to their States because they don't belong in the union until they send quality, honest, patriotic states-people.

385 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:33:17am

re; the ag vote

Republicans attempted to adjourn, but we were ruled out of order. Confusion set in as members waited at least five minutes for the chair’s decision.

A motion to adjurn is NEVER out of order, at least that's the way I learned it.

386 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:33:23am

re: #382 WeaselZipper

I never thought he was in his mind to begin with...

His teeth were far too shiny and his hair was way too perfect. Obviously a werewolf.

LOL

387 wargammer2005  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:34:26am

OT:

can someone please show me where in the US Constitution that the federal goverment is allowed to spend money on:

welfare
education
social security
medicare
medicaid
and a host of other programs

yes, some programs are needed for defense, like NOAA and Nasa.
others can be included in that.

the Constitution gives Congress powers and functions.
"Promoting the General Welfare" is a function, not a power.

i am sick of people taking the easy answer of letting goverment take care of everything. it lets people off the hook for being responsible for themselves and others.

we see continued failure of goverment, the failure of the bridge in just one example, yet people want to sign over any power to goverment that relives them of responsibility.

this is the greatest threat to the United States.

388 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:34:32am

re: #382 WeaselZipper

He is the Charles Lindbergh of our day.

389 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:35:38am

re: #382 WeaselZipper

morning all!

Mitt losing his mind?

Mitt Romney: US Should Emulate Hezbollah. Wait, What?...

JERUSALEM – Republican presidential candidate Gov. Mitt Romney has cited the social welfare network of the Lebanese Hezbollah terror group as a role model the U.S. should copy to help promote "goodness" and "freedom" around the world.

Are you effin kidding me? Out of all the humanatarian organizations out there he chose this one. Buh bye Mitt. Okay I am ready for Newt or Fred!. Hell I got about $3.25 in the campaign coffers, maybe I'll announce.

390 TimeQuake  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:35:54am

Mourning, uh mean, morning.

Arkansas Couple Has 17th Child, Still Want More

We need more people to think this way. 17

391 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:36:20am

re: #382 WeaselZipper

I've been telling you, by 2010 many of you will start to understand [and not scroll past :-)] the need for a new majority party. It is the only correct way to proceed to attempt to save our republic and civilization.

392 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:36:58am

re: #369 3 wood


Got 'em, saved 'em. Thanks.

393 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:37:05am

re: #389 Just_A_Grunt

Forget Fred.

Spencer Abraham killed him.

394 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:37:07am

Good morning, Lizards.

395 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:37:09am

re: #387 wargammer2005

Silly boy!

You asked a question based upon the notion that the United States Of America is a Constitutional Rebuplic.

Where have you been?

396 Buck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:37:40am

Perjury is the act of lying or making verifiably false statements on a material matter under oath or affirmation.

Awad was asked about the meeting during a 2003 deposition for a civil lawsuit. During that deposition he was under oath or affirmation. He lied about attending the meeting. He committed perjury.

Does anyone think he is going to wait around to be "Scooter Libbyed"?

397 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:37:59am

re: #390 TimeQuake

How do you afford to feed 17 children?
WOW

398 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:39:10am

re: #393 BabbaZee

Yea why would anyone bet on a glue horse in the gates?

399 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:39:50am

The bodies haven't even all been recovered in Minneapolis, but BDS is in full bloom.

Barking moonbat and convicted criminal Jack Cafferty has totally lost it.

No surprise there.

400 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:39:54am

re: #396 Buck


Perjury is the act of lying in the WEST

Taqiyya and kitmann are holy sacraments in the Caliphate

hence the disparity

and the jihad

401 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:40:00am

re: #370 Prisoner of Diesel

Any hope it was caught on C-Span? The cockroaches need the light shined on them.

Anything and everything that happens on the floor should be in the official Congressional Record. Which is, I'm pretty darn sure, public information.

402 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:40:21am

re: #398 Roger

We need that new party NOW!

403 TimeQuake  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:40:21am

re: #393 BabbaZee

For the life of me, I don't understand why he did that. Bad move.

404 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:41:19am

Can we start a "Draft Kinky Friedman" campaign? He was the guy with the cowboy hat and cigar who ran for governor of TX. I know we ain't the best of luck with Texas governors but at this point I'm drowning here and need a life perserver.

405 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:41:44am

re: #402 BabbaZee

Yea but too many people are holding on because the living is yet easy. Their ears are shut.

406 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:41:46am

re: #403 TimeQuake

I understand why he did it completely. I just find it vile.

407 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:42:01am

re: #405 Roger

As it is written.

408 TimeQuake  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:42:06am

re: #397 BabbaZee

I don't know how you afford it. How about those that have four and five AT ONE TIME? People donate in those cases.

409 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:42:53am

re: #370 Prisoner of Diesel

In reading the comments at the Crypt, it does look like it was captured by C-Span, the question is, is there a tape by C-Span or maybe some individual?

410 luzbone  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:43:25am

Good morning LGF.

I am wearing my pajamas.

412 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:46:03am

re: #405 Roger

Babba...

HUH?,
R

413 insanity police  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:46:25am

"Awad was asked about the meeting during a 2003 deposition for a civil lawsuit. He initially said he didn’t think he had attended the Philadelphia meeting. When pushed he replied, “I don’t remember.” Nor did he remember whether he was invited."

PERJURY.

CAIR--> TERRORIST FRONT GROUP.

Why didn't the FBI shut them down long ago?

O/T: Speaking of people the FBI should be investigating.

414 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:47:14am

17 Michelle has been pregnant for 126 months — or 10.5 years — of her life.

415 TimeQuake  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:47:16am

Judge Backs C.I.A. in Suit on Memoir

Judge Jones acknowledged that the C.I.A. “does not contest that the information is, in fact, in the public domain,” adding that “the public may draw whatever conclusions it might from the fact that the information at issue was sent on C.I.A. letterhead by the chief of retirement and insurance services.”

But she said a classified court filing from Stephen R. Kappes, the deputy director of the C.I.A., which lawyers for Ms. Wilson and her publisher were not allowed to see, contained a reasonable explanation for the agency’s position. Judge Jones did not reveal it, saying only that Mr. Kappes has persuaded her of “the harm to national security which reasonably could be expected if the C.I.A. were to acknowledge the veracity of the information at issue.”

Gave me a laugh, anyway.

416 luzbone  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:47:42am

re: #411 Nannette

Oh those Kos folk are so unoriginal.

417 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:47:46am

re: #406 BabbaZee

Same here. Not hard to understand. There are no candidates. They are all too unread. Too self-centered, too ignorant,, too unstatespersoned, living too ungratefully good; without contributing.

418 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:48:49am

re: #399 JammieWearingFool


Hey Jammie, check out my #329

419 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:49:32am

re: #408 TimeQuake

That makes me mad though because they have them due to artificial fertility treatments and implantations.
Pisses me off, I won't donate to that crap.

420 paxnhymn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:49:38am

Morning all! Seriously OT...
Man! It took almost no time for Bush to be complicit in the I35w bridge collapse!

Linky:[Link: sayanythingblog.com...]

421 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:50:02am

re: #417 Roger

yep

422 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:50:56am

re: #413 insanity police

CAIR give the FBI sensitivity training

I am telling you the truth
the INFILTRATION is overwhelming
The beast rides the whore

423 luzbone  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:51:04am

{BabbaZee}

Have you seen this version of "My Generation"?

424 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:51:28am

re: #412 Render

That's it! Without gratefulness, vigilances and wanting the same for the next generation it can go to hell in a hand basket; the way of all civilizations to date.

425 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:52:18am

re: #412 Render

I used to call that show
"Don Creature's Rock Fossils"

LOL

426 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:52:51am

It only takes one generation to fuck it all up. Why does it have to be mine?

427 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:53:16am

re: #423 luzbone

{LUZ}

Oh that's great!

428 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:53:19am

Good morning Y'all, from a hot (71 degrees, going up to 94 degrees) but sunny and blue skied Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this fine morning?

429 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:54:11am

Finally! He is here. We can now go a huntin'!

430 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:54:12am

re: #426 Roger
It's funny, a whole bunch of us were wondering the same thing!

;>'

431 TimeQuake  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:54:13am

Nutroots’ Success Doesn’t Run Deep

While their stature may have risen, their book sales did not. According to Nielsen Bookscan, Markos, Ana Marie and Arianna all had disappointing book sales despite their hype. In its first week of sales, Markos’s book Crashing the Gate sold only 253 copies. Marie’s Dog Days, a novel based on her blogging experiences in DC, sold just over 5,000 copies. Arianna has written two books since launching her blog and neither have made it to the New York Times’ bestseller list. Her most recent was a feel-good bore titled, On Becoming Fearless, published in September 2006. It sold less than 27,000 copies despite massive mainstream media promotion and all of Arianna's rich friends.

Another laugh.

432 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:54:26am

Jim Bob Duggar, successful real estate agent and former AR state Rep. (R)

433 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:54:45am

Search your nic upthread, realwest:-)

434 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:54:46am

YO BABBA!

435 paxnhymn  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:55:23am

re: #426 Roger

It only takes one generation to fuck it all up. Why does it have to be mine?

that includes issues of morality as well...

436 luzbone  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:55:47am

re: #427 BabbaZee

"Hope I die before I get old" now has a whole new meaning.

437 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:55:49am

re: #425 BabbaZee

With just one hour a week that show crushed everything that MTV has ever done, combined.

NEVER
SAY
DIE,
R

438 TimeQuake  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:55:57am

re: #419 BabbaZee

You're right, I had not thought of those multiple births being artificially created.

439 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:56:25am

re: #433 Roger
Uh, Roger my friend, do you have like a starting place for me to look? I mean, it's a looong thread!

440 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:57:34am

Batteries low; gotta go to work. Sitting outside at the Waffle Shop having a good, easy living breakfast and I'm grateful.

441 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:57:58am

re: #437 Render

Yes it did, LOL

I laso used to call Olvia Newton John
Olivia nuetrom Bomb in those days.

i uses to wait up for the Creature.

Hoi
AHm Dan Kirshnah

lol

442 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:58:04am

re: #439 realwest

Search your nic; do a find on it:-)

443 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:58:07am

re: #418 3 wood

re: #399 JammieWearingFool


Hey Jammie, check out my #329

I forgot they were playing in the afternoon, and didn't pick it up on radio until the 7th, when it was 11-9. Then the utterly useless Farnsworth gave up a couple of monster blasts and was booed off the field.

He's got to go.

I agree Clemens may be toast.

Although they're alive for a wildcard, I still want them to bring up Kennedy and Chamberlain, and I believe Hughes is starting this weekend. Go with the youngsters now, even if it means you may miss the playoffs. I can live with that if it means these kids get some experience.

Farnsworth is the biggest joke around here since Ed WHitson. Or maybe Steve Trout.

Speaking of Trout, I'm beginning to believe the Cubs may have a shot this year. After all, the last two NL World Series teams came from the central (As well as the AL reps).

444 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:58:23am

YO REAL!

We are snipe hunting and you have to hold the bag, lol

445 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:59:03am

wow , typos galore
sorry Render

446 insanity police  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:59:12am

re: #422 BabbaZee

re: #413 insanity police

CAIR give the FBI sensitivity training

I am telling you the truth
the INFILTRATION is overwhelming
The beast rides the whore

"The beast rides the whore." Best quote ever, and so true.

Why can't the groups that CAIR discriminates against (Jews, Christians, Americans) give the FBI "sensitivity training?"

We should tell the FBI that to be sensitive to us they should start cracking down on terrorist groups like CAIR who support terrorism.

447 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:59:47am

Vile post about Duggar family

"Hey, we love babies, as long as you use them for stem cell research." -Anyone on the left

448 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 5:59:58am

re: #445 BabbaZee

"Typos Galore" next James Bond movie title

449 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:00:00am

re: #440 Roger

Bye Roger.
GOD bless the Feral Remnantians.

450 ec marm  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:00:24am

This m.o. sounds like something out of Gaza:

Holmgren said witnesses told police that a lone gunman dressed in black clothing and black headgear approached Bailey, shot him multiple times and then fled on foot.

[Link: www.nbc11.com...]

Oakland Post Publisher Paul Cobb says Chauncey Bailey, who was gunned down by a hit man this morning, was working on a major investigative story that might have got him killed.

Cobb declined to say what the story was about, but he has given a copy of it to police who are investigating Bailey's death. However, KTVU reported tonight that sources say Bailey was writing a story about the Nation of Islam, which operates the Your Black Muslim Bakery store chain. A leader of the Nation of Islam denied any involvement.

Publisher Cobb says he and Bailey regularly received hate mail. "I think this is a wake-up call for all of us in the media because I routinely get hate letters (from) people who want to do something all the time," Cobb said.

Also, a $10,000 reward has been offered for information leading to Bailey's killer. Shown here is the shooting scene. (Photo credit: David Paul Morris, SF Chronicle, via AP)

[Link: penpressclub.org...]

451 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:00:42am

re: #448 Roger

LOL!

452 Roger  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:01:02am

re: #449 BabbaZee

Amen, bye for now...

453 mrsoc  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:01:07am
According to FBI reports, the men tried to hide their true agenda, agreeing not to even say the word “HAMAS” - but to call it “SAMAH” its reverse - even in their private conversations.

Fucking genius that.
Why the IBF will never figure out what we're talking about if we just say it backwards. Does anyone here know arabic pig latin?

454 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:01:21am

re: #450 ec marm

Did you send that to Charles?

455 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:01:48am

re: #441 BabbaZee

re: #437 Render

Yes it did, LOL

I laso used to call Olvia Newton John
Olivia nuetrom Bomb in those days.

i uses to wait up for the Creature.

Hoi
AHm Dan Kirshnah

lol

That wasn't nice.

Good Morning Lizards!

456 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:02:45am

Realwest, thesnipe hunting plot starts this thread around #365. BEWARE!

457 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:03:49am

re: #446 insanity police

Simple.
Because Jews and Christians do not behead you and bomb your people if you are not "sensitive" to them.
All hail the Caliph Fate.

The days of torches and pitchforks approacheth.

458 TimeQuake  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:03:50am

Two tales of justice: Vick and Kobe

I am so sick of the stench of political correctness I could just heave.

I just love this opening line.

459 Glackinspeil  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:03:59am

re: #422 BabbaZee

The beast rides the whore

That's a mouthful.

460 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:04:01am

Y'll may have heard about a family that was murdered in GA recently, the mother and 2 daughters were killed and the 2 boys are in the hospital, well there are some new developements. It seems the women fled Kenya after the death of her husband out of fear her daughters would be victims of FGM. The police are looking for a suspect. I will try to find more info, but I just heard that on a local radio station.

461 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:04:05am

Today's John Edwards rank hypocrisy update.

Silky Pony took Murdoch money

Oops. The folks at the Yearly Kos Hitler Youth rally aren't going to like this.

462 ec marm  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:05:17am

re: #454 BabbaZee

re: #450 ec marm

Did you send that to Charles?


Not yet. Google search on the reporters name and Islam is bringing up all sorts of interesting stuff. This story may just 'fire up' a few reporters in the U.S. They don't appreciate it when one of their own is gunned down like this.

463 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:05:24am

re: #381 BabbaZee Ah Geez, Babba! Didja have to post that?
I actually went there and read that, having successfully avoided going to and/or reading anything on that site and only went there cause YOU linked to it!
I'm tellin' y'all - you are very respected out here and have a responsiblity to the rest of us to AT LEAST post a warning or something!
Geez, now I gotta go take another shower!

464 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:05:24am

re: #455 The Other Les

Well I do admit, I wasn't very nice in those days, LOL.

She's very beautiful.

465 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:05:33am

BORING PERSONAL TALE OF WOE FOLLOWS:

Dear Lizards, have any of you had the surreal experience of talking to someone who has rewritten his history with you to something unrecognizable?

As another strand of the fraying rope of my marriage breaks, I realize that my husband is SEETHING with resentment of perceived past "wrongs," such as his doing more housework than I did when our kids were young; nevermind that he always seemed happy and NEVER complained about how we shared responsibilities. He said that I was a "nonparticipant" in our children's childhoods. I'm not making this up.

My wise-beyond-his-years 11-year-old figures that his dad is just trying to make himself feel better about his own behavior now.

At counseling yesterday he said that he's 95% sure he wants to move out. I said if he moves out, that's it: I'm filing for divorce. We agreed to give it until Tuesday before taking a definite step, and we'll meet again with the counselor.

I have tried everything to work out a situation in which he can have his space to work out his issues, but nothing is enough.

The grass may be greener on the other side of the fence, but he's going to find himself living on a septic tank.

466 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:06:28am

re: #442 Roger Roger, I'm too old and too tired - just woke up and showered, but still on first cuppa coffee - give me a starting point at least!

467 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:06:33am

re: #441 BabbaZee

Stay up? I hadda watch in black-n-white at friends houses.

SPEED
O
VISION,
R

468 funkyfantom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:06:36am

Chavez and Sean Penn sittin' in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First comes lies
Then bullcrap
Then Seanies' head in Hugo's lap

469 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:06:51am

re: #463 realwest

Townhall is not a "bad" site.
I didn't link to KOS!

Get yer gear.. weese g'wan snipe huntin'.

470 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:07:37am

re: #467 Render

Awww poor Render. lol!

It was a great show.

471 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:08:38am

re: #462 ec marm

Pretty scary.
I certainly hope they do stand up for their own, you have more faith than I do in that.

472 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:09:12am

re: #419 BabbaZee

That makes me mad though because they have them due to artificial fertility treatments and implantations.
Pisses me off, I won't donate to that crap.

Well, there's another way of looking at it. If they need fertility treatments or implantations in order to get pregnant, they're usually going to be pregnant with multiples. The docs do that to insure at least one or two successful.

Then their choice is to kill off the "extras" or go ahead and have a large multiple birth.

Nobody says anybody has to donate to it, but I can respect their integrity and morality in not killing "wanted" babies because their good fortune was TOO good.

473 TimeQuake  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:09:47am

Seize the Moment

For nearly two years, the potentates of the press have been slavishly following liberal dogma and telling us that the war in Iraq is all but lost, that the region will never embrace democracy and that young Americans serving there are dying needlessly. Even before the troop surge was underway, they were telling us that it wouldn't work. And since the final contingent of 28,500 additional troops arrived in theater two months ago, most members of the Fourth Estate have tried to persuade us that it has failed. Some of them may even believe it, but that doesn't make it true.

474 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:09:50am

re: #459 Glackinspeil

Here's the full quote, now this is a mouthful, LOL


Behold! Verily I say unto you that the Islamic Beast will ride the Gramscian Whore straight into the Abomination that Causes Desolation. ~ The Scroll of the Outraged Spleen, 18:18
475 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:10:35am

re: #443 JammieWearingFool

Farnsworth is the biggest joke around here since Ed WHitson. Or maybe Steve Trout.

Speaking of Trout, I'm beginning to believe the Cubs may have a shot this year. After all, the last two NL World Series teams came from the central (As well as the AL reps).

The White Sox announcers called the two HR's he gave up, they saw enough of him when he was with the Cubs.

Speaking of which, they will at least make it interesting. The Brewers are starting to implode, the catcher and manager went after each
other yesterday in the dugout, not a good thing. I think the Cardinals are more of a threat now than the Brewers. Also Kerry Wood is coming back and apparently is up to his 95 mph velocity again. This time he will be a middle reliever and would give the bull pen a big boost while saving his arm from the abuse of starting.

Piniella is having his impact, he does not tolerate stupid baseball like Baker did. The Cubs have been on a roll ever since they dumped Barrett. I always said that guy was killing the team. He was an awful defensive catcher, was tipping the pitches by how he set up behind the plate and he was a clubhouse cancer.

476 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:11:19am

Well I guess we will wait on a statement from NOW.

POWDER SPRINGS -- A lawyer for a woman killed along with her two daughters in Cobb County says the family fled Kenya in 2001 because she feared the girls would have to undergo female circumcision.
Immigration attorney Charles H. Kuck said that Jane Kuria left Kenya in January 2001 after the death of her husband and the destruction of their home. Kuck said that according to her political asylum application, the couple was targeted in Kenya because of their opposition to female genital mutilation.
Kuck said that Kuria suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome after she was forced to undergo the procedure.
"She was afraid for her daughters more than anything else," Kuck said Thursday evening. "She was terrified that it would happen to them."
A judge had recently denied her request for asylum. A hearing was scheduled for her daughters later this month.
477 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:11:21am

re: #472 nonic

Personally I think the whole process is quite selfish and mondo Mengele.

478 Mike C.  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:11:59am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom


Ah - there you are. I posted a link you might find "interesting" at # 240. Other teachers might want to look as well.

479 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:13:08am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom

Dear Lizards, have any of you had the surreal experience of talking to someone who has rewritten his history with you to something unrecognizable?


Yes. Would you like my mother's phone #?

480 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:14:51am

re: #470 BabbaZee

That it was...

Now I'm stuck in a groove.

BUMP
THE
TONEARM,
R

481 Glackinspeil  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:14:58am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom

goddess- As I have recently become a full time student and house-husband, (at age of 45) with wifey now working full time (role reversal in total), I relate to your woes in many ways. Resentments which are held onto can be very destructive over a period of time. It's much healthier to voice concerns in real time. The fact that you guys are in counseling is a great sign. There is hope. Don't give up yet. He may just need to vent.
My prayers for you and your marriage.

482 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:14:59am

re: #466 realwest

Realwest, again, check around #365.

483 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:15:00am

re: #475 3 wood Hey good morning my friend!
How are y'all doing today? "We" going to get a round of golf in soon?! LOL!

484 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:15:10am

re: #479 BabbaZee

...or my ex-wife's?

485 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:15:35am

re: #404 Just_A_Grunt

Can we start a "Draft Kinky Friedman" campaign? He was the guy with the cowboy hat and cigar who ran for governor of TX. I know we ain't the best of luck with Texas governors but at this point I'm drowning here and need a life perserver.

The "they don't make Jews like Jesus anymore" guy? I'd vote for him.

486 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:15:45am

re: #474 BabbaZee



Behold! Verily I say unto you that the Islamic Beast will ride the Gramscian Whore straight into the Abomination that Causes Desolation. ~ The Scroll of the Outraged Spleen, 18:18

At work now,
had to get on through Iowahawk link.

Babba,
That is sexy,
riding the Gramscian Whore. Too bad I am work.

/

487 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:15:50am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom

Man, oh man. He's really reaching. Bitching because he helped out around his own house years ago?

488 songbird  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:16:57am

re: #390 TimeQuake

Good morning Lizards!

We have a homeschooling family in our church who have 14 kids. They are just amazing, industrious and intelligent. All the older children are good parents now, or working on engineering degrees. All are involved in the church in one form or other, from music ministry to child care to maintenance of the building to teaching. I admire them!

489 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:17:14am

Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) eventually offered a motion to reconsider, according to floor staff on either side, ostensibly giving members a chance to recast their votes. But the maneuver sparked a chorus of angry protests from the Republicans, yelling “shame” on Democrats, while they returned fire with angry volleys of their own.

When Democrats finally moved to consider the spending bill as the last vote of the night, furious Republicans left the chamber en masse to protest the maneuver. The House eventually recessed at 11:18 p.m. But Republicans quickly discovered that there was no longer any record of the controversial vote and immediately charged Democrats with erasing the bad result.

“Obviously, the Democrats don’t want to stand up against illegal immigration – so much so that they’re willing to cheat in order to win a vote,” Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.) said in an e-mail. “They’re desperate – and it shows.”

The official House website did not show a record of the vote as of 1 a.m. Friday.
The Demigods are erasing shit.

490 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:17:31am

re: #478 Mike C.

My District has a strict grade review policy that states that a student's grade CANNOT be changed by an administrator, and that the student has to appeal a grade to a hearing board.

The New York case is outrageous.

491 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:17:40am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom

NOT BORING. Let him write his very own memoirs alone in a little apartment somewhere and spend the rest of his days whining about everything except his own role in his misery. Cut this guy loose.

P.S Rewriting history is very, very common in families. There is always a kernel of truth from which the spin begins. DON'T BUY INTO THE NARESHKEIT.

You are going to be OK.

492 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:17:43am

re: #428 realwest

Mornin' real! Hope you're doing well on this sunny hot day.

Lawn's cut and Number One Son is out cutting bushes. He's 8 so he still thinks it's fun standing out in the sun with the loppers going at renegade privet.

493 Glackinspeil  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:18:37am

re: #474 BabbaZee

re: #459 Glackinspeil

Here's the full quote, now this is a mouthful, LOL



Behold! Verily I say unto you that the Islamic Beast will ride the Gramscian Whore straight into the Abomination that Causes Desolation. ~ The Scroll of the Outraged Spleen, 18:18

Awesome - scary

494 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:18:42am
495 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:19:23am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom

Dear Lizards, have any of you had the surreal experience of talking to someone who has rewritten his history with you to something unrecognizable?


Yes.

I was living in someone's basement when I allowed him to do some work on my desktop computer. He somehow caused some of the internal wiring that was connected to the power supply to catch fire. When I mentioned the incident a few years later he denied it ever happened and ordered me to move out. I had the backtrack and apologize.

Not a truly reality oriented individual.

I did ultimately move out after the individual later became a troofer.

(And I didn't even mention the sex change operation.)

496 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:19:29am

Oh, how I love you guys. I'm meeting a friend for coffee, so I'll be back later.

497 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:19:37am

re: #476 Just_A_Grunt

I thought women fleeing FGM were given special consideration.

498 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:19:46am

re: #486 ibmkeyboard

People have actually found my site by googling "beasts and whores"

not kidding.

SURPRISE!

lol

499 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:20:01am

re: #456 Prisoner of Diesel Ah, thank you for that my friend.
Roger and Babba should be ashamed of themselves. Shoot, I've done more "snipe huntin' then they have, combined! LOL!

500 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:20:13am

If I may go off-topic by going back on topic...

I hope & pray these CAIR creeps land in jail. I want to see their whole rotten organization exposed for what it is and to loose all credibility. Then I want to see CNN, NYT, the Globe & Mail and all the other naive media apologize for giving airtime to these enemies.

I hope & pray.

501 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:20:16am

re: #413 insanity police

Yes-interesting that the information was held at bay up until now.

502 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:20:24am

re: #485 lucius septimius

Me too, LOL

GO KINKY

503 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:20:47am

re: #494 BabbaZee

Oh Jeez! That brings back memories. Now I'll have to go dig out that album from the depths of the closet.

504 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:21:19am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom

:-( Sorry to hear of your troubles, Goddess.

Partly because it brings back memories of all the same drek from my story.

Yeah, my husband said the same things. And, yeah, your 11-year-old has it right.

Do what you believe in your heart you must do for your own integrity and for your kids' safety and welfare. And then you gotta let the chips fall where they may. Sadly, your husband bailed some time ago.

{Goddess}

505 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:22:15am

re: #492 lucius septimius Morning back atcha - be grateful for small favors - they grow up sooo
fast! LOL!

506 Miss Trixie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:22:39am

&#9834 &#9835 Good morning {LGF} &#9834 &#9835

{realwest} Morning honey *smoooch* Say, did I send you copies of Nam's BBQ pics? I don't remember. How are you today?

507 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:22:57am
508 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:23:48am

re: #498 BabbaZee

They were probably looking for breasts and whores but typoed.

509 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:23:48am

re: #503 lucius septimius

wahhh I cant find a link to it...

510 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:24:12am

Smirking murderer is led to the gallows as children join crowds at public executions in Iran

Unrepentant, the smirking Majid Kavoosifar, 28, was led to the gallows and even manged a small wave to the crowd before his death.

However his cousin Hossein Kavoosifar, 24, was in tears as he and his uncle were executed in front of the main offices of the judiciary in central Tehran.

Flanked by masked hangmen, hoods over the heads of the condemned men were removed before the hanging, which took place in front of a giant portrait of the judge they had killed.

Onlookers in the street and on the roofs of houses chanted and took pictures with mobile phones. Some laughed.

/complete with lovely photographs

511 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:24:13am

re: #500 Kenneth

Hope and pray, but don't hold your breath.

512 blue_like_jazz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:24:15am

morning, lizardia!

513 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:24:21am

re: #508 WriterMom

No... unfortunately I think they were looking for women having sex with animals.

514 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:26:08am
515 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:26:09am

Watching C-SPAN right now and they appear to be discussing the shenigains from last night, see weasel zippers post upstream, but I can't be sure. Boehner and Hoyer talking in circles.

516 hayseed  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:26:14am

re: #477 BabbaZee

re: #472 nonic

Personally I think the whole process is quite selfish and mondo Mengele.

Good Morning All...Babbazee don't you think the mengele reference is a stetch?

517 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:26:22am

re: #506 Miss Trixie Good morning sweetie and *smooch* back atcha!
NO you didn't send me those photos - please send 'em NOW at your earliest convenience!

518 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:26:35am

re: #510 Killian Bundy

The smirk may have something to do with being heavily "sedated" prior to the execution.

...

But I've never understood why somebody would willingly walk to their death.

TOOTH
AND
NAIL,
R

519 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:27:22am

re: #495 The Other Les

OY!

520 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:27:43am

re: #477 BabbaZee

Personally I think the whole process is quite selfish and mondo Mengele.

I respect your feelings about it. I personally would never do it. But then I personally never HAD to. My doctor called me "fertile Myrtle." Four attempts resulted in four pregnancies, and then there was the unplanned one.

I know my oldest son really wants to have children. If his fiancee turns out to be infertile, I could never condemn them for doing what they had to.

521 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:27:47am

Goddess,

beginning to understand,
My 36 year old daughter caught her husband screwing studding with the 12 year olds 5th grade teacher, he is now in the 9th grade.

/and the bitch has a wart on her nose.

The crying never stops.

522 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:28:30am

re: #513 BabbaZee

re: #508 WriterMom

No... unfortunately I think they were looking for women having sex with animals.

Sooo right.

The line between kinky and perverted is; one uses a feather and the other requires the whole chicken.

523 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:29:14am

Oh yea baby! We might not like the idea of defeat, it might be the worst idea and it might result in catestrophic horrors; but, like it or not, the Democrat's are going to make us eat double, even triple, portions: 'Monumental' Iraq progress needed to sway Democrats plans

"The military victories are just episodic," said Rep. Jane Harman, a hawkish California Democrat and chairman of the Homeland Security intelligence subcommittee.

"It is doubtful that there will be a silver bullet, or even a brass bullet, in this report that will turn this thing around."

Rep. Charlie Wilson...said he "would definitely need monumental proof, not just an isolated improvement."

...Speaker Nancy Pelosi...who aides say is "not willing to concede there are positive things to point to" in Iraq...

Boy is it gunna get nasty. Real nasty.

524 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:29:42am

re: #362 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Ok, now we've got a real problem(ht: John, Powerline)

An outrage was committed on the House floor tonight. I still can't quite believe what happened. While voting on a motion to recommit for the agricultural appropriations legislation, the presiding chair (who is a Democrat member) gaveled the vote closed. The tally was clear and the vote was over. The Republicans had won. Then, realizing what had happened - the Dems allowed just their people to keep voting to change the result. Let's be clear, this wasn't holding the vote open - they changed the results of a vote that was legally declared over.

Definately read his whole post.

But I will say this, if this is true and starting...we've crossed the line of political debate and entered into an entirely different arena.

Sorry I previously said Weasel Zippers posted this, I stand corrected.

525 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:30:28am

re: #522 BenZacharia Good morning Ben! Hope all is well by you and yours this fine morning!

"The line between kinky and perverted is; one uses a feather and the other requires the whole chicken."
ROTFLMAO!

526 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:30:49am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I've posted my obligatory commentary on the state of infrastructure in the region - and note that I've been writing about this stuff since I started blogging.

Elsewhere, the Swiss have intercepted equipment heading to Iran for use in their nuclear program. Curious.

John Edwards, the flyweight candidate for President, slams other Democrats for taking campaign contributions from Fox and Rupert Murdoch. Errr... seems that Edwards himself has gotten quite a bit from the Fox/Murdoch empire - to the tune of $800,000+ for a book published under one of the Fox imprints. Of course, Edwards sees nothing wrong with any of this.

And for a bit more on the lighter side, here's this.

527 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:31:45am

re: #524 Just_A_Grunt

Something definitely stinks rotten about that whole episode. Is there a CSPAN or other footage of the floor when this is happening? That might shed more light on the subject.

528 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:31:48am

Got a few more in Iraq,

To the north in Mosul, the operational tempo against al Qaeda's network has been relentless. U.S. and Iraqi security forces have conducted numerous raids in the northern city over the past few months, killing or capturing multiple high value targets. The latest raid, by the Iraqi Army, resulted in the death of Safi, al Qaeda's emir of Mosul. While conducting a series of operations throughout the city, the Iraqi Army spotted Safi and three bodyguards, and gave chase. Safi and his bodyguards were killed after they pulled over and opened fire on the Iraqi troops. Prior to the killing of Safi, U.S. forces captured Khalid Abdul Fatah Da’ud Mahmud Al Mashadani, a senior Iraqi member of the al Qaeda political front, the Islamic State of Iraq. Mashadani admitted Abu Omar al Baghdadi, the supposed leader of the Islamic State of Iraq, does not exist and he was a creation of al Qaeda.

More bad news for the Democrats...

530 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:32:46am

I can handle the breasts and whores discussion but NO WAY am I gonna let this thread go kinkier than that. SO THERE! The beasts should be left to the goat affectionados of the Muddle East.

:P

531 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:33:01am

re: #516 hayseed

For you maybe, and others, not for me.

I really despise the whole concept of "fertility clinics" with their implantations etc. I think it eventually leads to and dovetails with human genetic engineering and eugenics.

Me no like. I find it very frightening.
And unnecessary. There are millions of children with no parents that need homes. Adopt one if if you are infertile and want children that badly. But no, that they won't do, the I ME MINE says otherwise.

I find it very unnerving from all angles.
I am sure everyone thinks I am harsh or nuts, which is fine.

532 Prisoner of Diesel  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:33:15am

re: #499 realwest

You feelin' better? I haven't been on much for a long time. Have you still got my e-mail address? I have lost yours, and somehow, I used to be a smurf, but on one of the upgrades it got changed to non-smurf. (un-smurf, de-smurfed, ex-smurfed?)

533 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:33:17am

Little Dick does YearlyKos

It really is turning into a Hitler Youth rally.

By the time it concludes, I almost expect the attendees to run out into the streets of Chicago, smashing windows and beating up those they suspect are Jewish.

Kristallnacht 2007.

534 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:33:38am

re: #521 ibmkeyboard

How awful-but she is WAY BETTER OFF WITHOUT THAT SCHMUCK. Way.

535 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:33:45am

Goddess,

At counseling yesterday he said that he's 95% sure he wants to move out. I said if he moves out, that's it: I'm filing for divorce. We agreed to give it until Tuesday before taking a definite step, and we'll meet again with the counselor.

Why? When my Father decided the grass was greener on the other side of the fence, my mother held on for months hoping that he would have a change of heart. He didn't and was probably playing the field. He moved out (for about 3 months).

When both of his kids had to be dragged to their Father's apartment because they didn't want to be around him either, and when my mother told him that it was time to come get his "stuff" because she was getting on with her life, he had a real change of heart and decided home wasn't so bad.

To this day, I don't like the man. But I will tell, he did straighten his ass up and treat my mother better.

Letting your husband move out and be without you and your kids might be the best thing you could do. I'm telling you things aren't so wonderful being single as he might believe. And don't grovel. Let him get a taste of the "real" world.

536 3 wood  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:33:48am

re: #483 realwest

How are y'all doing today? "We" going to get a round of golf in soon?! LOL!

Check out my #311, got sick Wednesday and am recovering still.

On that topic, my secretary just came in and said my pallor has the whole office all scared that they will be scraping me off the carpet again any minute, I am feeling a bit woozy right now, so I am heading back home for the rest of the day. Looks like another day of laying on the couch and sipping ginger ale for me.

later folks.

537 mrsoc  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:34:02am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom

My darling you have just begun the trip down the rabbit hole. I had MY family agreeing with Mr. Needy that I stayed married to for 24 years because...because-oh shit I forgot I never did know why I married him. Don't let the bastard get you down. As for the rewritten history-what else can he do? The truth would NOT have made him free!

538 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:34:45am

re: #520 nonic

I could never condemn them for doing what they had to.


I strongly disapprove and I do not believe that anyone "has to"... but I do not condemn .
Not my job.

539 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:34:52am

re: #510 Killian Bundy
Odd how Iranian police have 'police' written in English on their uniforms.

Good morning world! What bring ye today?

540 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:35:06am

re: #529 WriterMom

Funny you mention them, I just read a story this morning and I will try to find it again where an author I believe who wrote a book about these guys was found murdered.

541 Glackinspeil  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:35:18am

re: #450 ec marm

This m.o. sounds like something out of Gaza:


Holmgren said witnesses told police that a lone gunman dressed in black clothing and black headgear approached Bailey, shot him multiple times and then fled on foot.
[Link: [Link: www.nbc11.com...]...]

Oakland Post Publisher Paul Cobb says Chauncey Bailey, who was gunned down by a hit man this morning, was working on a major investigative story that might have got him killed.

Cobb declined to say what the story was about, but he has given a copy of it to police who are investigating Bailey's death. However, KTVU reported tonight that sources say Bailey was writing a story about the Nation of Islam, which operates the Your Black Muslim Bakery store chain. A leader of the Nation of Islam denied any involvement.

The reference to the muslim bakery investigation is now gone from the story. Instead their is now a reference to a restraining order against an angry girfriend from 4 years ago.

Oakland muslims must have protested.

542 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:35:21am

re: #537 mrsoc

{mrsoc}

How's by you, dollface?

543 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:35:57am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom

Hey Goddess.

I've been thinking about your situation for a long time, mostly because in my case it's sort of cathartic.

The rewriting thing can be taken several different ways, none of which (in my mind) are healthy.

First, it may simply be an attempt at rationalization -- seeking to avoid blame by constructing a history of your relationship that makes it appear doomed from the start. Obviously not true, otherwise you wouldn't have been married so long.

Second, and more insidious, would be that there is a deeper psychological disturbance here. One of the precipitating events in my divorce years back (at least on my side) was realizing that my ex was, despite all her protestations to the contrary, just like her narcissistic and abusive mother. I discovered that she would say one thing to me, another thing in public, and had, all told multiple lives going on simultaneously. At church we were the prefect couple, at home I was always doing things wrong, with our friends I was the supportive spouse, when she was with her friends it was all about her moving out and moving on. The worst was when a coworker told me that my ex was encouraging her to have an affair with me. (I found that out after the fact) When I caught her wearing her diaphragm to work, that pretty much clinched it in my mind.

The point was, she didn't have to rewrite the relationship -- she was always rewriting the relationship as it suited her needs for the moment. She always used her biography -- stories of abuse and neglect, claims about her intelligence, ultimately tales (mostly false) about our marriage -- as a way of manipulating people. That's the kind of behavior that borders on sociopathic.

Third, and least comfortable I suspect, is the idea that he might have entered the marriage on false pretexts to begin with, convincing himself that you were someone different from who you actually are. That need not be an inaccurate reflection on you, but it could well be that in his mind (and this is a common male trait) you were less independent and capable than you are, and he can't deal with the realities of the power balance -- his actions are about a reckless attempt to regain the initiative and reclaim some kind of power. That's something a councilor could help with.

Finally, he may be trying to reclaim some mythical persona that he once supposedly had before marriage and kids, etc. I had a glimpse of that in my own life while I was off doing research and staying with an old grad school friend. For a week it was like being back in grad school and was sort of fun. But in the end I missed the wife and kids (in that order -- I always put marriage ahead of children) and wanted to get back. But that fantasy life from the before-times is always tempting.

Don't know if this helps or confuses, but as I said, I've been thinking about this for a while.

544 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:36:51am

France and Libya sign arms deal

Libya has signed contracts with France to buy anti-tank missiles and radio communications equipment worth $405m (£199m), Libyan officials have said. The arms agreement is Libya's first with a Western country since a European Union embargo was lifted in 2004.

France has confirmed the missile deal - the larger of the two.

Last month Libya agreed to release six Bulgarian medics convicted of infecting children with HIV. France denies that the move was linked to any arms deal.*

*Sure.

545 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:37:02am

re: #524 Just_A_Grunt I don't remember if the President has the authority to do this (actually I do, he doesn't) but I wish POTUS could dissolve Congress and call for new elections for all members, at least in the House of Representatives.
mofos.

546 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:37:25am

re: #525 realwest

Wifffeee*, meself and the cats are goin' well, gonna get HHH here, 95f /80% humidity.

Pray you and yours are doing as well as can be expected too.

*meds fairly well adjusted now, at least she quit tryin' to pick flowers off her nitey.

547 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:38:27am
548 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:38:29am

Wakka-Wakka!

549 ec marm  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:38:43am

BabbaZee Did you see:
re: #529 WriterMom

That is the story that the slain reporter was working on. How it was a front for the Nation of Islam.

550 Glackinspeil  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:38:55am

re: #529 WriterMom

BREAKING NEWS: Police in Oakland, Calfornia swoop in on "Your Black Muslim Bakery".

Mom, these are the guys who offed the reporter last night.
Let's hope they get em.

Bakery Jihad, Bean Pie Jihad
I wonder if they were making "Danish" pastries?

551 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:39:18am

re: #532 Prisoner of Diesel I'm afraid I DON'T have your e-mail addy - my nic is in blue so you can e-mail me!
I'm feeling better than I was from the hip/thigh/knee pain thanks to two epidurals and am now TRYING to quit smoking!
Hope you're well and will write to me when you have a chance!

552 wargammer2005  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:39:30am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom

i understand a bit of what you are going through

my late wife and i would not still be together if she had not gotten sick

it took something drastic before we came back together.

please feel free to email me if you wish to unload.

553 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:39:37am

re: #549 ec marm

Ohhh kee dokee... makes sense
thanks I'll go look

554 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:40:18am

re: #529 WriterMom

I wonder, anything to do with the reporter that was shotgunned in broad daylight yesterday?

12 GA
SLUGS,
R

555 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:40:22am

#465 goddessoftheclassroom
These are highly personal waters I am treading in now but I wanted to offer this. From the age of 3 my young mother raised my sister and I alone. Without handouts from anyone. We were poor, but we struggled and laughed and lived and went through it all together. When I grew up I realized how amazing she was to have done it all and with humor and full of life. So I asked her. 'Mom? How the hell did you do all that on your own after we left Dad? Wasn't it hard?' Without missing a beat she said, 'It got easier without him.'

556 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:40:51am
557 Ma Sands  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:41:17am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom

BORING PERSONAL TALE OF WOE FOLLOWS:

Dear Lizards, have any of you had the surreal experience of talking to someone who has rewritten his history with you to something unrecognizable?

As another strand of the fraying rope of my marriage breaks, I realize that my husband is SEETHING with resentment of perceived past "wrongs," such as his doing more housework than I did when our kids were young; nevermind that he always seemed happy and NEVER complained about how we shared responsibilities. He said that I was a "nonparticipant" in our children's childhoods. I'm not making this up.

My wise-beyond-his-years 11-year-old figures that his dad is just trying to make himself feel better about his own behavior now.

At counseling yesterday he said that he's 95% sure he wants to move out. I said if he moves out, that's it: I'm filing for divorce. We agreed to give it until Tuesday before taking a definite step, and we'll meet again with the counselor.

I have tried everything to work out a situation in which he can have his space to work out his issues, but nothing is enough.

The grass may be greener on the other side of the fence, but he's going to find himself living on a septic tank.


I'd like to talk with you about it in private, if you'd like to...my nic is blue... :)

558 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:41:36am

re: #554 Render

nevermind...

GAH!,
R

559 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:41:55am

re: #535 goodbye_natalie " I'm telling you things aren't so wonderful being single as he might believe." I'm afraid that's a double edged sword my friend, although being single beats the hell out of living with a child for a spouse.
Just sayin...

560 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:43:13am

re: #520 nonic

I'm with you -- we've never had any problems (all we need to do is go on vacation, it seems like). I know people who have, and after going through all the stuff they had delightful children, but looking at the couples, I find myself wondering whether the "infertility" was really incompatibility -- people who don't necessarily fit well. It's a hard one to figure.

561 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:44:08am

#465 goddessoftheclassroom

I stongly recommend you read the information on this website,
Marriage Builders
They have some very good advice for how to deal with your husband right now: insist he move out, cut off all contact with him and force him to confront his choices. Right now he's living in a fantasy world: he's rewritting history, he has you making a fuss over him, and he's the center of attention. He needs some real time alone where he can do some serious thinking about his life. In the meantime, ou look after yourself and your child.

562 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:44:17am

re: #534 WriterMom

re: #521 ibmkeyboard

How awful-but she is WAY BETTER OFF WITHOUT THAT SCHMUCK. Way.

It is terrible,
but with 3 grandchildren and he is a great dad and provider for the kids,
and believe it or not I like the SOB.

Damn,
what a mess.

563 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:44:49am

re: #556 BabbaZee

re: #548 Peacekeeper

Mekka Lekka High Mekka Hiney Ho!


And a fine sahlama malemekka to you!

564 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:45:17am

re: #547 Iron Fist

The Democrats are going to keep moving the goal posts...

The left learned years ago that they could mount the posts on a rocket sled and the right, let a lone the media, would say 'boo'.

Last time goal posts were sighted, the light had red shifted to the infrared spectrum.

565 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:45:21am

re: #560 lucius septimius

I find myself wondering whether the "infertility" was really incompatibility -- people who don't necessarily fit well. It's a hard one to figure.

The LORD giveth
and the LORD taketh away.

I wanted children more than almost anyone
I realize now the reasons why it was not to be for me, and they are wise beyond human comprehension.

566 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:45:23am

re: #536 3 wood Good grief man, you gonna let a little thing like being sick stop us from playing golf?!
;>)
Seriously, I sure hope you feel better fast and don't assume it's the flu - get thee to a doctor immediately, if not sooner!

567 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:45:26am

Poetry slam?
No Second Troy
Why should I blame her that she filled my days
With misery, or that she would of late
Have taught to ignorant men most violent ways,
Or hurled the little streets upon the great,
Had they but courage equal to desire?
What could have made her peaceful with a mind
That nobleness made simple as a fire,
With beauty like a tightened bow, a kind
That is not natural in an age like this,
Being high and solitary and most stern?
Why, what could she have done, being as she is?
Was there another Troy for her to burn?

Yeats

568 BulgarWheat  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:45:49am

#551 realwest

Day 3 on chantix. Also began taking some High Blood pressure med the same day. Strange taste, feeling sort of strange but not in a bad way. Just different.

How are you doing? Notice anything about taking Chantix?

569 mrsoc  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:45:55am

re: #542 BabbaZee

Better. That whole thing with "What did you do with the platelets I gave you yesterday?" has been a trial lately. I had the grandchildren for a week with the boy being the darling of the world as always-and the girl being a funny lovable little riot. It may have been a bit ambitious of me. I am recovering however and should be back to some semblance of myself shortly. (There's no time to grow.)
How are you? Well I hope. I was at the site today but dinnerjackets face makes me want to hurl.

570 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:45:55am

re: the screwy vote and procedural nonsense.

Here's the video, and I'm with Allah on this - what happened makes little sense - either with the vote, or the subsequent votes.

571 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:46:24am

re: #551 realwest

Trying to quit? Just quit and accept that it sucks. I love tobacco in nearly every form (not chew) but my blood pressure and lungs don't.

It's like the bad college girlfriend. She was fun and mom hated her, and I remember her fondly, but it's in everyone's best interest that I've moved on.

572 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:46:42am

re: #555 NoSubmission

{NOSUB'S MOM}

Life is short-we need people around us who don't drag us down.

573 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:46:42am
574 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:47:52am
576 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:48:20am

The killing of a mother who had escaped Kenya due to FGM. The killing of a man who was exposing Black Muslims.

What's the common denominator?

577 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:48:21am

re: #546 BenZacharia
Ben, I'm glad to hear that (not the HHH, but your family). Uh, can I assume that there weren't any flowers on her nightie?!
I'm really happy that she's got her med adjusted properly; life really SUCKS when you don't.
Best wishes to her, you and the whole BenZ family.

578 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:48:37am

re: #569 mrsoc

I havent posted in a while, I was knocked offline with no service for a few days, taking care of children other days, and too sick and tired yesterday... and so far today too. The heat kills me, even indoors in AC.
My digestion breaks down completely.

We maimed have to stick together, LOL

579 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:49:08am

re: #562 ibmkeyboard

Humans make mistakes. But, how can one reconsile being a great Dad with the moral responsibility of sexual betrayal of one's spouse? To break the trust of marriage because of a decision made by his dick instead of his brain?

580 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:49:29am

Troy?

STOLEN,
R

581 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:49:42am

re: #565 BabbaZee

That's a hard thing to accept, but good that you can.

Damn- this is now turning into a bummer thread.

582 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:49:45am

re: #555 NoSubmission

Divorce sucks but, many times it beats the alternative.

583 BulgarWheat  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:50:32am

#578 BabbaZee & Realwest...

You guys are my "quit-smoking" pals the next couple of weeks.

Started taking the chantix the other day. Waiting to see how this works out. How's everyone else doing with their programs?

584 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:50:39am

re: #565 BabbaZee

Babba-I promise to pass along many of your lessons to my kids. They are still a little young for lessons on the Whores of the Caliphate-but that will come...in time.

{BABBA}

585 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:50:52am

re: #577 realwest

Lostsa flowers, all print. :^)

586 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:50:58am

re: #576 MandyManners

The killing of a mother who had escaped Kenya due to FGM. The killing of a man who was exposing Black Muslims.

What's the common denominator?

Uhhh ... huh? Just diverse people doing various things.

587 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:51:44am

re: #572 WriterMom

re: #555 NoSubmission

{NOSUB'S MOM}

Life is short-we need people around us who don't drag us down.

That's right. To be fair, my father was an extreme case. In and out of psychiatric hospitals, emotionally unstable, unavailable, unknowable, and mean. Troubled. May he rest in peace. In the end, I love my father but I stand firmly behind my mother's choice to remove ourselves from destruction.

588 songbird  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:51:47am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom

Thoughts and prayers with you. I had to make that excruciating decision for myself a decade ago. It's not much easier on the other side of the decision, but a marriage cannot work if one party is not committed to making it work.

You've done the best you can do. Now, no matter what happens, don't condemn yourself too hard.

Hugs.

589 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:52:04am
590 Black George Bush  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:52:51am

Morning one and all!

591 BulgarWheat  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:53:29am

BGB!

Shout back to you. It's been awhile since I've seen you on the morning dead thread.

592 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:54:06am

re: #582 MandyManners
I was divorced too. We tried for a few years but we were both smart enough to realize we couldn't make it as a couple and parted as friends.

593 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:54:36am

re: #582 MandyManners

Yes, but people should consider all the effort, time, money, pain & hardwork they will expend on their divorce, and if only they had put half that much effort into their marriage in the first place, they wouldn't now be looking at a divorce.

594 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:55:35am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom
Re: Your Tale of Woe
A friend of mine's ex had her convinced for awhile that she was the cause of the divorce.
Another friend's ex conviced her children that because of their mother's coldness to him, he had to seek solace (and nooky) outside the marriage, so it was her fault. The girls who were about 12 and 14 at the time, felt so sorry for their father that they told the judge they wanted to live with them; then the wife had to pay the lousy bastid child support.
I could go on and on. At least you and your kid's havent been brainwashed by his delusions of him being the victim.

595 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:56:27am

wanted to live with them him. Sorry, need more coffee.

596 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:56:32am

re: #570 lawhawk

re: the screwy vote and procedural nonsense.

Here's the video, and I'm with Allah on this - what happened makes little sense - either with the vote, or the subsequent votes.


Lawhawk,
isn't it illegal to erase Congressional records?

/just asking?

597 Black George Bush  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:57:04am

re: #590 Black George Bush

Yeah its been busy here in the office, got to actually work, can you believe that:0. Cutting into my morning posting time. I like to peek in on the dead thread before i hit the sack too.

Oh and the bridge collapse, Bushs fault.

598 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:57:05am

Breaking: Giant Cologne mosque tests German tolerance

599 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:57:15am

Shhh! I am fixing to get on a conference cal so y'all hold down the noise, K
/working from home today

600 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:57:31am

re: #582 MandyManners

re: #555 NoSubmission

Divorce sucks but, many times it beats the alternative.

I'm with you, especially on the "sucks" part. Sometimes no amount of work will "save" a marriage, especially if only one person is doing the working.

601 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:57:43am
agreeing not to even say the word “HAMAS” - but to call it “SAMAH” its reverse

"Ah, the old backward-talking trick!"

--Agent Maxwell Smart

602 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:58:22am

Syrians taking pot-shots at Marines

In the second part of his dispatch, Smith describes fire from across the Syrian border - initially described to him as “celebratory fire after a wedding.” But unless wedding parties in Syria fire tracer rounds horizontally rather than into the sky...

Syrians shooting wildly last night: No one exactly sure at whom or why, though the Marines at the combat operations center said it was celebratory fire after a wedding. A few rounds flew over the border and into our camp.

Just after 10:00 p.m., I climbed into the tower of post 1 overlooking Syria. There, I met Cpl. Brian T. McNeill of New Brighton, MN, passing by the post. He shouted up at the sentry, “Who’s up there with you?”

When I told him who I was, he said, “Oh wow, you’re the guy from National Review. My dad [Donald] reads NRO all the time. He said you were coming out here, and maybe I’d get to talk to you.”

A few seconds later, the Syrians fired a couple provocative shots across our camp: The first tracer round went straight over the center of the camp. The second shot popped straight over my head.

Provocative, indeed. So much for “celebratory fire after a wedding.” Just who is delivering the wake-up call from Syrian soil? The line in the sand that is the Syrian border is an invisible barrier of significant magnitude. But I can assure you, there are more than a few hot, tired and fed-up Marines at FOB Gannon who would love to be turned loose to find out precisely who it is and join in the reindeer games. It’s all fun & games until it’s the Marines’ turn.

603 phoenixgirl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:58:31am

re: #565 BabbaZee

{babba}

604 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:58:59am
605 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:59:13am

re: #596 ibmkeyboard

Members of congress have the right to correct, as they see fit, the congressional record.

Additions, deletions and changes. Complete admin rights, as we in the IT field would say.

Not kidding.

606 6pat6  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:59:17am

"Hey, Doogie, looks like you got some 'splainin' to do!"

607 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 6:59:30am

re: #601 Occasional Reader

ROFL. Who was just lamenting the thread getting a little bit "bummerish" this morning. LOLOLOL.

608 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:00:54am
609 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:01:49am

On the infidelity thang:

I believe a one time infidelity (I do not mean limited to a one night stand, also a one time affair)is forgivable based on the overall worth of the man himself and his level of regret and his willingness to be forgiven and "sin no more" and all of the reasons the thing happened in the first place...

People today really seem to think everyone is disposable the first time they fuck up. I don't believe in that.

I say openly without any shame that that I forgave my spouse of an infidelity. And I will always be glad that I did. It was the right thing to do.

He was a great man on a million and one levels despite this transgression. And now he is a far greater man for having made a horrible move and been genuinely forgiven. It is a rare experience, being genuinely forgiven. And it changes people deeply, fundamentally, once they accept that it is for real.

Forgiveness is a weapon. So is gratitude.


Serial infidelity... now that's another story.

610 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:02:28am

If he's 95% sure he wants to leave, I'd want to know what the other 5% consists of.

611 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:02:30am

re: #583 BulgarWheat

I am cold turkey jive woman

612 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:02:40am

re: #601 Occasional Reader

"Ah, the old backward-talking trick!"

--Agent Maxwell Smart

.dark the in them shoot and all 'em Nuke

!heH

613 Glackinspeil  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:03:07am

I just sent Charles all the links on the Oakland Bakery Jihad...including a screen shot of the deleted muslim references.

I wonder if they were making 'flowers of the propet mohamhead'
(aka danish pastries)

614 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:03:22am

re: #601 Occasional Reader

agreeing not to even say the word “HAMAS” - but to call it “SAMAH” its reverse

"Ah, the old backward-talking trick!"

--Agent Maxwell Smart

Rof.

Damn CIA lost a good man.

615 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:03:30am

{phoenixgirl}

616 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:04:21am

Tomato/Basil/Mozzarella Pasta

5 large cloves garlic, finely chopped
1/2-3/4 C. olive oil
12 basil leaves, snipped into shreds
***
7 large, ripe tomatoes, chopped
***
1 lb. rigatoni
1 1b. mozzarella, cubed small

Directions
Early in the morning, put garlic and olive oil into a very large bowl.
Snip basil leaves into mixture.
Let sit all day.
Two hours before serving, chop and add tomatoes.
Before time to eat, boil rigatoni in salted water until al dente.
Cube the mozzarella while rigatoni is cooking.
Drain pasta.
Gently pour it over the tomatoes.
Add mozzarella.
Gently toss only pasta and mozzarella to let mozzarella soften and coat pasta.
Stir up from bottom.
Season with salt and add more olive oil if needed.
Serve with crusty bread to sop up oil.

I'm doing this to go with steaks for dinner. I reckon it would make a good main dish.

617 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:04:24am

re: #609 BabbaZee

Babba, forgiveness is reedeeming and I admire you for doing that. I don't think people, and marriages are disposable at all. I just don't know how one can get over a betrayal of that nature.

618 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:05:09am

Also Yeats

Crazy Jane on God

That lover of a night
Came when he would,
Went in the dawning light
Whether I would or no;
Men come, men go;
All things remain in God.

Banners choke the sky;
Men-at-arms tread;
Armoured horses neigh
Where the great battle was
In the narrow pass:
All things remain in God.

Before their eyes a house
That from childhood stood
Uninhabited, ruinous,
Suddenly lit up
From door to top:
All things remain in God.

I had wild Jack for a lover;
Though like a road
That men pass over
My body makes no moan
But sings on:
All things remain in God.

619 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:05:11am

re: #600 Lucius Septimius

It takes two to make a marriage work but only one to wreck it.

620 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:05:29am

re: #581 lucius septimius

I am not bummed!

EVERYBODY DANCE

621 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:05:48am

re: #609 BabbaZee

He was a great man on a million and one levels despite this transgression. And now he is a far greater man for having made a horrible move and been genuinely forgiven. It is a rare experience, being genuinely forgiven. And it changes people deeply, fundamentally, once they accept that it is for real.

Forgiveness is a weapon. So is gratitude.


We have to forgive everybody.

I believe I read that is some book.
ha.

/good comment.

622 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:05:54am

re: #593 Kenneth

re: #582 MandyManners

Yes, but people should consider all the effort, time, money, pain & hardwork they will expend on their divorce, and if only they had put half that much effort into their marriage in the first place, they wouldn't now be looking at a divorce.


AMEN to that

623 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:06:20am

re: #621 ibmkeyboard

{IBM}

624 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:07:02am

Good Morning all.

625 carbon footprint  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:07:22am
Unlike the 2,000 year-old book of fairy tales known as "The Bible", the Holy Quran is sacred to the followers of Islam and must be treated with respect, never mishandled nor mutilated, and always carefully left at the bar where you get your lap dances the night before you plow a plane full of screaming passengers into a skyscraper. So Pace University officials ask that in the future, students wishing to exercise their First Amendment right Free Speech confine themselves to burning U.S. flags or smearing feces on the Virgin Mary.

An excerpt from Liberal Larry over at Blame Bush. This guy cracks me up.

626 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:07:24am

re: #586 lucius septimius

re: #576 MandyManners


The killing of a mother who had escaped Kenya due to FGM. The killing of a man who was exposing Black Muslims.

What's the common denominator?


Uhhh ... huh? Just diverse people doing various things.

Darned diverse people and their various things.

627 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:07:37am

Just finished watching the video of the House debacle. I also noted this comment:

“Obviously, the Democrats don’t want to stand up against illegal immigration – so much so that they’re willing to cheat in order to win a vote,” Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.) said in an e-mail. “They’re desperate – and it shows.”

They are desperate - it's like Gore: the more that reality shows their precious ideology to be wrong, the more they have to use all means fair and foul to suppress dissent and use force to realize their ideology.

The fasces on the wall behind the speakers platform are not just a quaint decoration for the "Democrats." They are an historical allusion, but not to ancient Rome, that's for sure.

628 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:07:41am

re: #609 BabbaZee
Well said!

629 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:07:57am

Babba YOU DANCE!

630 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:07:59am

We have to forgive everybody.

That person must first acknowledge guilt, secondly they must accept forgiveness. This does not always happen.

631 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:08:09am

re: #605 BenZacharia

re: #596 ibmkeyboard

Members of congress have the right to correct, as they see fit, the congressional record.

Additions, deletions and changes. Complete admin rights, as we in the IT field would say.

Not kidding.

/Great,
Maybe we could delete all the bastards and start over again.

Wipe the hard-drive.

lol

632 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:08:12am

The Democrats are pushing the meme that Republican doctrine is responsible for the bridge collapse. Really? They know what caused the collapse before the NTSB or other investigators? By all means, share it. Oh wait - it's because taxes were not high enough. Gotcha. Never mind that it is the legislature - whether in state or fed that is responsible for appropriations, not the executive (politics 101 is foreign to these folks).

633 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:08:26am

re: #605 BenZacharia

Absolutely correct -- the text in the published CR often has remarkably little to do with what was said.

634 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:09:02am

re: #592 NoSubmission

re: #582 MandyManners
I was divorced too. We tried for a few years but we were both smart enough to realize we couldn't make it as a couple and parted as friends.

Good to hear that you could remain friends. I know that would not have been at all possible with the X.

635 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:09:22am
Damn CIA lost a good man.

CIA? Nay! Maxwell Smart was an agent of CONTROL. Whose headquarters are at "123 Main Street, Washington, DC". I've spent ten years looking for that street.

636 Ma Sands  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:09:25am

re: #612 BenZacharia

Too many orc-type creatures talk that way nowadays for that to be not understood by 'most anyone... :)

637 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:09:48am

re: #568 BulgarWheat Not yet but to be honest with you, this will be day 1 for me with the Chantrex pill - just having trouble figuring out time-wise when to take it (I already take 14 pills a day, and take one or more pills 4 different times a day; I'm very concerned that this Chantrex is gonna not be good for me as I do not have a great history with anti-depressents (I've had about 4 different ones for my PTSD and each one made me sick).
Figure on trying it around noon today - best time for me to "squeeze" it in around my other pills.

638 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:10:18am

re: #617 WriterMom

Oh I didn't mean you personally thought that people were disposable

{WRITERMAMMELAH}

I just don't know how one can get over a betrayal of that nature.


It was very very very difficult to do it.
I could not do it of my own ability.
No way.
I did it with GODS help.
100% I did it by trusting the word of GOD and not the words of people.

Seriously.

And I have not one shred of resentment for it left in me. That took two full years though.
And a lot of shut up and pray.

639 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:10:20am

re: #559 realwest

Real,

As someone who has been married for 20 years, I have come to the following conclusions about marriage (for what it is worth). And I should add, I'm married to a jewel so this is from the good perspective:

Natalie's 12 rules to a happy marriage

(1) Nothing beats a happy marriage with children. Nothing. Not money, not fame. If you're poor but you're happily married with children, then consider yourself a success.
(2) The biggest myth ever perpetrated on human kind is that there is a perfect marriage or a perfect person to be married to. Two fallible people can't make a perfect marriage.
(3) To make a marriage work, both parties have to learn to be flexible. When one dominates the other, the marriage is in trouble.
(4) Men need to learn to help around the house. While you each might have your little assigned duties, do it without bitching. One of the smartest moves I ever made was to start cleaning our bedroom and bathroom on a weekly basis by myself. It's a pain but it has become habit.
(5) Men need to make their wife still feel special. The often "I love you" goes along way with women folk and doesn't cost you a thing. And there is no job that is more important than raising good children, so if money is short shut your mouth and suck it up realize keeping kids 10 times more difficult than what you're doing.
(6) Women should nag as infrequently as possible. And both the husband and wife better learn how to forgive and forget.
(7) You're kids won't be there forever. Your spouse will. Set that to memory.
(8) Treat your marriage as the most important aspect of you life. Both of you.
(9) Support your spouse. And never embarrass them in front of other people. You got something to say, wait until your home behind closed doors.
(10) Women have to learn that just because a man is scoping out some babe doesn't mean he doesn't love you. Trust me, he isn't thinking about marrying her or leaving you. As any straight man will attest, it is engrained in the blood. And men, you want good children? Then treat your wife like gold. My momma told me to be a good father, you got to be a good husband first. She was right.
(11) Don't fight over money. What's yours is hers and vice versa. Trust me, the aggravation will pass and you don't own a thing you can't do without.
(12) Take some time away from the kids to be together.

There's more that I would talk about, but since this is a secular board, I won't elaborate further. None of these will guarantee success because marriage is hard work if you want a good one. But I promise all of these will help. And no, I haven't always practiced all 10. Far from it. This is just what I've learned thru the school of hard knocks.

640 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:10:44am
641 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:10:51am

re: #609 BabbaZee

Amen, sistah.

642 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:11:04am

re: #630 Peacekeeper

Very true. The first step to forgiveness is for the person to admit and accept that they were wrong, and seek it.

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and the door shall be opened to you.
(boy, doesn't that sound Biblical? oh... wait.)

643 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:11:08am

While We Were Sleeping

Hamas had already demonstrated its murderous credentials in 1993, they were already viewed by our government as a terror organization. We knew in 1993 that CAIR's leadership was poison, but no one wanted to seem bigoted and take them on then, after all they were a civil rights group.

Hamas worked openly to derail the US sponsored peace initiative, a critical American interest. Hamas not only opposed negotiations with Israel, they opposed Israel's existence.

Know we know the US government was fully aware of the CAIR-Hamas link but stayed silent. In the days of shame leading up to 911 CAIR was quite busy advocating even more weakness and blindness to the terrorism threat, here is what they were advocating in early 2000:

2000 CAIR News Releases

05.23.2000
CAIR calls on Congress to repeal use of Secret Evidence
05.19.2000
House Members hold news conference prior to Secret Evidence Hearing
05.04.2000
Health Care Providers offered guide to Islamic practices
05.01.2000
Muslim political council responds to religious freedom report
04.20.2000
LA Times agrees to remove image of Muslim women from ad campaign
04.17.2000
CAIR asks President Clinton to support Secret Evidence Repeal Act
04.02.2000
American Muslim Community Mourns passing of Hesham Reda
03.24.2000
Court Rules Against Steven Emerson in Defamation Suit
03.21.2000
Muslim Groups to Monitor Trial of Jamil Al-Amin
03.21.2000
Muslim Groups to Monitor Trial of Jamil Al-Amin
03.18.2000
American Muslim Leaders ask that Jamil Al-Amin Surrender to FBI
03.17.2000
Easing of Sanctions on Iran welcomed by American Muslims
03.15.2000
DC-Area Muslims mark end of Hajj with Communal Prayers

03.09.2000
"God, The Devil, and Bob" Critisized by Islamic Advocacy group

03.03.2000
Canadian Muslims sue "Jihad" Journalist for Defamation

Everything not struck through was overt efforts by CAIR to advance the interests of terrorists or intimidate critics of radical Islam. CAIR wanted America to be blind to the exact dangers of 911 and with good reason: if secret evidence was permitted, their own executive director would be in prison!

Note, the very defamation suit against Steve Emerson was tainted by the fact that CAIR's leadership was every bit as guilty as Emerson claimed, he just lacked the critical piece of evidence that would have destroyed CAIR's case.

All of this brings us to what to do with this information- it is vital that groups of all persuasions demand CAIR come clean or go out of business. If they wish to continue functioning as a public advocacy group, they must make a clean break with CAIR's now proven ties to terror, they must disclose who their donors are, Awad must resign and anyone associated with terror groups in CAIR must go. Or they should be shut down as part of an ongoing illegal conspiracy. It is that simple.

The Communist Party in the US always lived under the stigma that they were a foreign body, allied with America's enemies and, in all likelihood, an enemy front organization. America's political tent is a big place as anyone who ping-pongs from this site to KOS would readily, but the time has come to treat CAIR as an another enemy organization until they can demonstrate they are anything other than a terrorist fifith column masking as a civil rights group.

This is not a democrat or republican issue, left or right, this is a group that is engaging in the American public debate while secretly supporting an organization whose leaders publicly call for the death of all Americans.

644 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:11:11am

re: #621 ibmkeyboard

We have to forgive everybody.

I believe I read that is some book.
ha.

Sumthin' by Stewart Smalley no doubt.

“I’m Good enough and Smart enough”

645 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:11:14am

re: #565 BabbaZee

The LORD giveth
and the LORD taketh away.

I wanted children more than almost anyone
I realize now the reasons why it was not to be for me, and they are wise beyond human comprehension.

And sometimes immature and stupid behavior taketh away.

One of the main causes of the rising incidence of infertility is scarring of the Fallopian tubes caused by pelvic inflammatory disease, often caused by promiscuity.

I don't believe God is vindictive (as in, no kids for Jezebels). And I don't believe that He lets us discover medical "miracles" just to taunt us, but He doesn't really want us to use them.

I have no idea why you were unable to conceive. That's your business. And maybe it WAS your "fate" for some good reason.

But we could apply the "beyond human comprehension" rationale to any medical problem or condition. And Medicare, Medicaid, and health insurance would sure be cheap then. But then, we'd need more burial insurance.

Just sayin'.

646 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:11:17am

Jeebus, this thread is really skipping along - no way I can catch up at this point - if I overlook a message to me from someone, it's just that I don't think or type fast enough for a lizard lounge type of comments section!

647 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:12:08am

re: #635 Occasional Reader

It is a street that can only be found by people who already know where it is.

/Captain Jack Sparrow

648 Ma Sands  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:12:08am

re: #617 WriterMom

It's not by one's own strength, by any means...it is the strength behind "when I am weak then I am strong"... :)

649 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:12:48am

Peacekeeper: Your Yeats and "forgiveness" stuff is interfering with my highly serious Maxwell Smart discussion. Knock it off.

650 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:13:04am

That's all 12...jezz. Now I can't count.

651 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:13:06am

No safe or prudent way to stay with my cheating ex.

I like being alive and out of jail.

DIAGNOSED
AND
TESTIFIED,
R

652 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:13:13am

re: #628 NoSubmission

{Mah sistah}

653 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:13:39am

re: #593 Kenneth

re: #582 MandyManners

Yes, but people should consider all the effort, time, money, pain & hardwork they will expend on their divorce, and if only they had put half that much effort into their marriage in the first place, they wouldn't now be looking at a divorce.

Surely you're not suggesting that a victim of abuse/adultery should put more effort into staying with the perp. It took me years and about $85,000.00 to get rid of the X. It was a lot of hard work I shed a few tears over the abuse-by-legal process but, getting myself and my fetus/baby was worth every ounce of energy expounded.

654 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:13:43am

re: #629 WriterMom

WOOHOOO!

655 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:13:47am

Poll 'Doesn't Make Sense'; N.Y. Times Seeks Second...

Poll surprises out-of-touch paper

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

WHEN THE New York Times poll found that the number of Americans who think it was right for the United States to go to war in Iraq rose from 35 percent in May to 42 percent in mid-July, rather than promptly report the new poll findings, the paper conducted another poll. As the Times' Janet Elder wrote Sunday, the increased support for the decision to go to war was "counterintuitive" and because it "could not be easily explained, the paper went back and did another poll on the very same subject."

The headline for Elder's piece read, "Same Question, Different Answer. Hmmm." But it should have read: "America's Paper of Record out of Touch with American Public."

656 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:14:38am

re: #565 BabbaZee

Children or not, you're a worthy person. The world could use a few more like you as a matter of fact.

657 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:15:17am

re: #635 Occasional Reader

Damn CIA lost a good man.

CIA? Nay! Maxwell Smart was an agent of CONTROL. Whose headquarters are at "123 Main Street, Washington, DC". I've spent ten years looking for that street.

[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

I got choked on a piece of popcorn watching this.
lol so hard.

/Control lost a good man.

658 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:15:22am

re: #642 LanceKates

re: #630 Peacekeeper

Very true. The first step to forgiveness is for the person to admit and accept that they were wrong, and seek it.

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and the door shall be opened to you.
(boy, doesn't that sound Biblical? oh... wait.)

Not the B word!

659 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:15:34am
660 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:15:38am

re: #653 MandyManners

Oh, and I'm not talking about a one-time affair. That evil fucker had hot-and-cold running whores. He once threatened to have a hooker service him in his truck in our driveway if I refused to have sex with him during my (early term) high-risk pregnancy.

661 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:16:05am

re: #634 MandyManners
It's not always possible, but I'm not one to hold a grudge. [Well... maybe one particular case ...] What's the use of it? When we bump into each other every blue moon or so, I'm always happy to stop and chat and catch up a bit on things.

662 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:16:11am

re: #645 nonic

I do not believe there are any coincidences in this life, stupid and immature reasons for infertility or anything else not withstanding.

I also do not see infertility as "punishment"

Why I was unable to conceive was because half my insides were removed before I was 35 years old due to tumors.

663 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:16:31am

Fatah terrorists handed in World War I vintage weapons

(This is about the terrorists who supposedly handed in their weapons and got a commitment that Israel would not pursue them anymore)

664 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:16:32am

re: #656 goodbye_natalie

[insert blush here]

665 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:17:11am

re: #660 MandyManners

Your situation was entirely different than mine was.

666 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:17:29am

re: #621 ibmkeyboard

re: #609 BabbaZee


He was a great man on a million and one levels despite this transgression. And now he is a far greater man for having made a horrible move and been genuinely forgiven. It is a rare experience, being genuinely forgiven. And it changes people deeply, fundamentally, once they accept that it is for real.

Forgiveness is a weapon. So is gratitude.


We have to forgive everybody.

I believe I read that is some book.
ha.

/good comment.

Must we forgive those who do not repent?

667 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:17:32am

re: #649 Occasional Reader

Peacekeeper: Your Yeats and "forgiveness" stuff is interfering with my highly serious Maxwell Smart discussion. Knock it off.

Sorry about that Chief.*

*20 G D*mn years in Police work and not one Chief ever recognized that phrase.

668 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:17:45am

re: #658 Peacekeeper

Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible Bible

Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical Biblical

Ha! Take that!

*men in black enter Lance's cubical and knock him over the head, replacing him with a look-alike*

Hello fellow individuals. Did you happen to find the score of the most recent sporting event of popular choice?

669 Ma Sands  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:17:54am

re: #646 realwest

It's almost a given nowadays, with Charles' speeded up posting ability granted to us, to need to use control-F pretty frequently... :)

670 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:18:16am

re: #637 realwest

...I already take 14 pills a day...

Wifffeee sounds like a freakin' maraca after 15 scripts and about 50 pills/doses a day.

671 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:18:19am

ACK! Second day in a row that I've landed on post No. 666.

Stay far away, Lizards.

672 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:18:22am

re: #643 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

thanks for that post

673 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:18:39am

re: #666 MandyManners

See my 665

674 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:18:46am

re: #638 BabbaZee

Oh Babba, I know you didn't mean me personally...I am total agreement with you that so many people are so ME ME ME and they can't get over themselves.

And a lot of shut up and pray.

SUCH GOOD ADVICE..LOL.

675 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:18:55am
676 mglazer  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:19:16am

UPDATE: SHOCK IN OAKLAND: Newspaper reporter executed in broad daylight by masked gunman.

SWAT Teams Swarm 'Your Black Muslim Bakery'
19 Detained In Area

[Link: www.nbc11.com...]

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

longtime Oakland journalist Chauncey Bailey was reportedly researching an investigative piece
into the violent and intimidating 'Your Black Muslim Bakery' before he was shot and killed Thursday morning.

[Link: www.nbc11.com...]

677 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:19:26am

re: #665 BabbaZee

Yep. You had a decent man who screwed up. I had a screw-up who wouldn't know a decent man if he bit him on the butt.

678 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:19:29am

I proof and I still misspell. I hope I spell better next week while taking the written portion of the MCAT.

I can see some lib professor grading my "paper" thinking this idiot doesn't read like he graduated from middle school.

679 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:20:06am

re: #674 WriterMom

lol
I'm gonna get it on a t-shirt:
SHUT UP AND PRAY!

680 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:20:21am

re: #646 realwest

Jeebus, this thread is really skipping along - no way I can catch up at this point - if I overlook a message to me from someone, it's just that I don't think or type fast enough for a lizard lounge type of comments section!

It really is for us brain damaged vets.
ha.
I have to go down the DT looking for my name.

/Oh shit,
here comes that lifer manager.

later.

681 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:20:30am

re: #660 MandyManners
Oh Lord. I feel ya. That is the pits. The bottom. Had an ex boyfriend nearly choke me to death after a long stream of emotional hammering. Frankly, I don't know which is worse emotional or physical abuse, although they are the same. I did forgive him though--- long after I dumped his ass. I must be made of something that I am unaware of.

682 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:20:52am

re: #677 MandyManners

Exactly.
Which is why the original post said
if the man is worthy.

683 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:21:00am

re: #675 savage_nation

Thank'ee! He was pretty brazen. I finally had to pay all the marital debt AND his pre-marital debt, just to get rid of him.

684 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:21:01am

re: #660 MandyManners

re: #653 MandyManners

Oh, and I'm not talking about a one-time affair. That evil fucker had hot-and-cold running whores. He once threatened to have a hooker service him in his truck in our driveway if I refused to have sex with him during my (early term) high-risk pregnancy.

Yyyyeaaah, I'm gonna come down on the side of "you're better off without him" on this one...

685 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:21:57am

re: #681 NoSubmission

I've not really forgiven the X. He has not asked for it. I just walked away.

686 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:22:04am

re: #676 mglazer

I posted about that yesterday, but they didn't have any information on the muslim connection. It was my gut instinct, but searching his written articles I couldn't find anything that would have upset anyone... So there WAS a muslim connection...

Religion of Piece(s)

687 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:22:15am

re: #639 goodbye_natalie

None of these will guarantee success because marriage is hard work if you want a good one. But I promise all of these will help. And no, I haven't always practiced all 10. Far from it.


Good rules, but which ten of the twelve don't you practice? :)

On number 10, my wife has always been a big supporter of that one, much to the surprise of many of our friends. Of course I still think she's the most beautiful woman in the world (closely followed by my daughter).

In our case I'll add a thirteenth:

13) Always root for your spouse's teams unless it's playing yours -- a good marriage can survive friendly competition. That said, no gloating when you kick their ass.

688 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:23:01am

Good Morning from the Land of Coz!

689 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:23:01am

re: #661 NoSubmission

If I were to bump into the X, it'd be with the front bumper of my car.

690 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:23:31am
For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
~ Luke 23:29

OK Occasional, have at it... I know something is coming...
lol!

691 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:23:39am

re: #666 MandyManners

Must we forgive those who do not repent?

That is God's job. Not mine.

692 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:23:57am

re: #684 Occasional Reader

The depth of depravity really was amazing.

693 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:24:13am
694 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:24:16am

Word of the Day
Friday August 3, 2007

parse
PAHRS, transitive verb:
1. To resolve (as a sentence) into its component parts of speech with an explanation of the form, function, and syntactical relationship of each part.
2. To describe grammatically by stating its part of speech, form, and syntactical relationships in a sentence.
3. To examine closely or analyze critically, especially by breaking up into components.
4. To make sense of; to comprehend.
5. (Computer Science) To analyze or separate (input, for example) into more easily processed components.

intransitive verb:
1. To admit of being parsed.

695 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:24:25am

re: #691 NoSubmission

Correct.

696 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:24:32am

re: #684 Occasional Reader

Geebus Mandy. I'm surprised that event didn't set you off on a Thelma and Louise style rampage.

To put it mildly, you have lived an interesting life.

697 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:24:48am

Hi Coz!

698 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:24:57am

re: #671 MandyManners

ACK! Second day in a row that I've landed on post No. 666.

Stay far away, Lizards.


LOL!

699 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:25:07am

re: #691 NoSubmission

Precisely. I've done just enough to keep from hating him. I know what made him the way he is but, he was able to make choices, and his choices sucked.

700 TimeQuake  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:25:07am

re: #465 goddessoftheclassroom

After 25 years of marriage, yes. Now no longer married. Sometimes things have an end.

701 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:25:21am

re: #659 savage_nation

"We may be diabolical, but we're not perfect."

702 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:25:30am

re: #677 MandyManners

That's for sure. Wow. What an asshole.

703 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:25:30am

{Babba}!

You rock!

704 looking closely  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:25:41am

#397 Babba

There is an economy of scale working there.

You can buy everything in bulk, and recycle clothes, toys, and other items.

705 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:25:44am

re: #694 coz

Hey coz, how's it going?

706 phoenixgirl  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:26:14am

re: #689 MandyManners


lol

707 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:26:19am

re: #660 MandyManners

re: #653 MandyManners

Oh, and I'm not talking about a one-time affair. That evil fucker had hot-and-cold running whores. He once threatened to have a hooker service him in his truck in our driveway if I refused to have sex with him during my (early term) high-risk pregnancy.

So he was a politician huh?

708 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:26:58am

#690 BZ:

Blessed are... the paps which never gave suck.
~ Luke 23:29

Luke needed to get out more.

709 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:27:01am

re: #704 looking closely

It's still gotta be very tough.

710 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:27:19am

re: #708 Occasional Reader

I love you.

711 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:27:20am

re: #694 coz Hi coz! How's things in cozland today?

712 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:28:00am

re: #707 Just_A_Grunt ROFL!

713 Miss Trixie  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:28:09am

re: #517 realwest

Darls, It'll have to wait 'til I get home as I can't do it from work - firewalls donchaknow? I'll do that first thing this afternoon.

*hug*

714 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:28:11am
715 Render  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:28:14am

If I could find a way to sick my ex on Mandy's ex, both justice and karma would be served.

IMPERFECT
WORLD,
R

716 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:28:30am
717 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:28:49am

re: #696 Dirk Diggler

I had to remain as calm as possible 'cause I was pregnant and stress was dangerous. The thing was, HE KNEW ABOUT THE STRESS AND THE DANGER. He was trying to get me to have a miscarriage. Hell, he demanded I terminate the pregnancy.

718 FightingBack  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:28:49am

re: #709 BabbaZee

re: #704 looking closely

It's still gotta be very tough.

For the kids, too. Loneliness in the midst of chaos.

719 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:29:14am

Ayatollah Ghilmeini,

Good stuff, gonna try and link it all.

720 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:29:14am

re: #710 BabbaZee

re: #708 Occasional Reader

I love you.


Careful, my wife is the jealous type...

722 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:29:42am

re: #702 WriterMom

He's not my asshole anymore. *eg*

723 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:29:53am
Oh, and I'm not talking about a one-time affair. That evil fucker had hot-and-cold running whores. He once threatened to have a hooker service him in his truck in our driveway if I refused to have sex with him during my (early term) high-risk pregnancy.

That is your second F word,
fair warning.
ha.

/manager walked right by the desk,
I was typing fast,

he thinks I am working.

724 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:30:05am

re: #641 redstateredneck

YO, RSRN!

725 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:30:20am

#717 Mandy:

There are definitely men out there whose relationship with women can only be described as "predatory".

726 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:30:43am

Lance,

still trying to figure out base 3...


Realwest,

realgood my friend!

Babba,

Rock on sister!

727 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:30:46am

Damn C SPAN is entertaining tv today. Even if you don't follow you need to flip over. They have a riot going on in the HOuse.

728 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:30:48am

re: #711 realwest

Hey RW, how are you this fine morning?

729 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:30:57am

re: #717 MandyManners
I tell ya, these bums are all cookie-cutter duplicates of each other. Like they all went to Asshole School or something.

730 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:30:59am

re: #720 Occasional Reader

It is strictly a platonic love.
Anyway... I am certain I could kick her ass.
I know you like 'em tiny.

Bwaha

731 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:31:04am

re: #693 savage_nation

It's good that you don't. Trying to wrap your brain around such a mentality is damaging to a normal person.

732 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:31:04am

re: #671 MandyManners

ROFL.

733 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:31:06am
734 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:31:54am

re: #729 NoSubmission

re: #717 MandyManners
I tell ya, these bums are all cookie-cutter duplicates of each other. Like they all went to Asshole School or something.

LOL!

735 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:31:59am
736 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:32:33am

Ploome Ploome Ploome

/ploome ploome ploome
ploome ploome ploome
ploome ploome ploome
ploome ploome ploome
ploome ploome ploome

I'm not going to be here next week, so there's a "hello" for each day!

737 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:32:37am

re: #725 Occasional Reader

#717 Mandy:

There are definitely men out there whose relationship with women can only be described as "predatory".

What I've learned is how to spot one a hundred miles away.

738 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:33:15am

re: #729 NoSubmission

HAHAHHAHAHA, and graduated with honours.

739 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:33:19am

re: #733 savage_nation

Hiya Savage!

740 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:33:28am

re: #723 ibmkeyboard Lifer's - appearance is what counts to them. Or used to back in our day!

741 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:33:32am

re: #715 Render

If I could find a way to sick my ex on Mandy's ex, both justice and karma would be served.

IMPERFECT
WORLD,
R

If your ex leaves anything of Mandy's ex, I've got two I'll throw at him.

Mandy, Longtime lurker here. You are in my prayers and have my best wishes.

742 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:33:50am

re: #715 Render

If I could find a way to sick my ex on Mandy's ex, both justice and karma would be served.

IMPERFECT
WORLD,
R

I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that. *shudder*

743 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:34:02am

Oh CSPAN is showing a rerun of what happened last night.

744 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:34:08am

re: #726 coz

So you got my email then. heh. If you look it up online you can find help for it.

745 tfc3rid  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:34:37am

Well what do ya know...

FEDERAL APPEALS COURT RULES FBI RAID ON CONGRESSMAN'S OFFICE WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL DURING 2006 BRIBERY PROBE

This is regarding the Rep. Jefferson case... Friggin FBI...

746 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:34:51am

re: #706 phoenixgirl

re: #689 MandyManners


lol

I knew I was healing when I could joke.

747 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:34:55am

Useless trivia for your Friday: Happy Spending!

Credit was first used in Assyria, Babylon and Egypt 3000 years ago. The bill of exchange - the forerunner of banknotes - was established in the 14th century. Debts were settled by one-third cash and two-thirds bill of exchange. Paper money followed only in the 17th century.

The first advertisement for credit was placed in 1730 by Christopher Thornton, who offered furniture that could be paid off weekly.

From the 18th century until the early part of the 20th, tallymen sold clothes in return for small weekly payments. They were called "tallymen" because they kept a record or tally of what people had bought on a wooden stick. One side of the stick was marked with notches to represent the amount of debt and the other side was a record of payments. In the 1920s, a shopper's plate - a "buy now, pay later" system - was introduced in the USA. It could only be used in the shops which issued it.

In 1950, Diners Club and American Express launched their charge cards in the USA, the first "plastic money". In 1951, Diners Club issued the first credit card to 200 customers who could use it at 27 restaurants in New York. But it was only until the establishment of standards for the magnetic strip in 1970 that the credit card became part of the information age.

The first use of magnetic stripes on cards was in the early 1960’s, when the London Transit Authority installed a magnetic stripe system. San Francisco Bay Area Rapid Transit installed a paper based ticket the same size as the credit cards in the late 1960's.

The word credit comes from Latin, meaning "trust".

Checks came into use in 1875.

748 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:35:19am

#730 BZ:

Anyway... I am certain I could kick her ass.
I know you like 'em tiny.

Hm. It would be interesting. Yes, she's a size 4, but quite athletic, and grew up battling a brother and several large male cousins.

There's only one way to find out, that's what I say! Prepare the Jello!

749 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:35:25am

re: #728 DesertSage Ok my friend! How are y'all doing today? I saw either earlier on this post or another post (it was LATE last night) that you were knocking 'em out of the park!
Wanted to comment but just had to get to sleep.

750 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:35:55am

re: #663 Carl in Jerusalem

Difficult to tell from the tiny pic, but I think that's a Mannlicher-Carcano M1891. If so, it's a sweet bolt action. If properly maintained or re-arsenaled, it's still a very effective weapon. Don't underestimate bolt action rifles. It's nice to spray lead, but it's even nicer to hit what you're shooting at. That said, I would like to know where they're stashing their AKs, however.

751 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:36:01am
752 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:36:04am

re: #718 FightingBack

Loneliness in the midst of chaos.

Quite a common malady unfortunately. But the family we were speaking of upthread with the 17 children seem like pretty solid people. I don't think their kids have that issue.

753 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:36:18am

re: #617 WriterMom

re: #609 BabbaZee

Babba, forgiveness is reedeeming and I admire you for doing that. I don't think people, and marriages are disposable at all. I just don't know how one can get over a betrayal of that nature.

A bigger question is if you can trust that person again. If you think you can, then you may be able to continue the relationship. If you don't believe you can trust the person, you cannot continue the relationship. It's not just for infidelity, but also for abandonment and other assorted deeds/misdeeds.

If he/she does it once, will he/she do it again?

754 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:36:41am

re: #717 MandyManners

I had to remain as calm as possible 'cause I was pregnant and stress was dangerous. The thing was, HE KNEW ABOUT THE STRESS AND THE DANGER. He was trying to get me to have a miscarriage. Hell, he demanded I terminate the pregnancy.

What a fucking ass hole.

/my second warning.

755 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:36:46am

re: #748 Occasional Reader

Ha.

P.S Don't screw up.

756 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:37:06am

re: #745 tfc3rid

Note to self: Become congressman, THEN become mass murderer, keeing my 'trophies' and my weapons in my office.

How nice of the courts to say that a congressman's office is a SafeZone.

757 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:37:11am

re: #748 Occasional Reader

#730 BZ:

Anyway... I am certain I could kick her ass.
I know you like 'em tiny.

Hm. It would be interesting. Yes, she's a size 4, but quite athletic, and grew up battling a brother and several large male cousins.

There's only one way to find out, that's what I say! Prepare the Jello!

I want a seat!

758 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:37:11am

Is there anybody here who would like to cover me next week with the "Word of the Day"?

And 'useless and potentially incorrect' trivia"?

I'm doing the music for a youth camp in Wisconsin next week.

PRAY FOR ME!

759 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:37:28am

No Submission,

I tell ya, these bums are all cookie-cutter duplicates of each other. Like they all went to Asshole School or something.



Hell, Mandy's ex must have been the valedictorian of his class. Attempting to induce a miscarriage and kill a child?

What a motherfucker.

760 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:37:48am

re: #748 Occasional Reader
prepare the jello...
ROTF!

make mine Raspberry please.

761 legalpad  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:37:52am

re: #746 MandyManners

I am wondering what some of you think of Laura Schlessinger's book. (Dr. Laura), or if you've even heard of her.
I have to rush off but I will check in this afternoon.

762 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:37:56am

Gotsta' run, Lizards. Need to chop that garlic and snip that basil.

Get your groove goin'.

763 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:38:18am
764 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:38:51am

re: #757 Lucius Septimius
I want the beer and popcorn concessions!

765 ibmkeyboard  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:39:19am

re: #745 tfc3rid

Well what do ya know...

FEDERAL APPEALS COURT RULES FBI RAID ON CONGRESSMAN'S OFFICE WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL DURING 2006 BRIBERY PROBE

This is regarding the Rep. Jefferson case... Friggin FBI...

Bush put that 90,000 dollars in his freezer.

I knew it all along.

M. Smart.

766 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:40:03am
767 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:40:03am

re: #764 realwest

Whoa yeah, man!

What sort of beer you thinking of?

768 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:40:07am
769 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:40:19am

re: #763 JammieWearingFool

GOP video laughs at Kos Kretins

Great Link!

770 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:40:19am

re: #749 realwest

re: #728 DesertSage Ok my friend! How are y'all doing today? I saw either earlier on this post or another post (it was LATE last night) that you were knocking 'em out of the park!
Wanted to comment but just had to get to sleep.

Thanks RW, I'm doing good, still looking for a new truck. And to think, I thought we were all doomed.
:')

771 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:40:21am

re: #741 AmeriDan

Thank you, AmeriDan!

Now, I really get into the kitchen.

772 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:41:45am

re: #662 BabbaZee


Why I was unable to conceive was because half my insides were removed before I was 35 years old due to tumors.

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about generalities.

There IS an increasing incidence of infertility. Modern medical technology can be successful in overcoming it. I don't think God disapproves our using the modern medical technology He has allowed us to discover. That's just my opinion, of course.

If you want to talk about you, it would appear that without another kind of modern medical technology (discovery and removal of your tumors) you might not be alive today.

It seems to me to be making very fine distinctions, indeed, to approve of modern medical technology that saves a person's life but "disapprove" (#538) of modern medical technology that helps an infertile couple to have a child or children. Of course, I do not argue your right to view things that way. I just disagree with you. :-)

773 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:42:27am

re: #753 Honorary Yooper

It all depends on the people involved and the overall worth and trustworthiness of the individual, like I said in the original post.

Yes I totally trust him, and no I do not think he would ever do it again. It is not a fond memory for him either, he probably hated himself even more than I hated him upon my first hearing of it.

774 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:42:44am

re: #743 Just_A_Grunt

They're still flipping this morning. Watching C-span

775 Charles  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:43:09am

re: #241 RTLM

I wouldn't mind seeing rayra, reaganite back in LGF.

Make for some fine popcorn.

Rayra and reaganite are not welcome at LGF.

And Mike C -- your constant references are getting on my last nerve. A moronic post from Rayra was responsible for a CAIR complaint to the FBI. Maybe you'd like to see that happen again?

776 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:43:44am

re: #758 coz

PRAY FOR ME!

LOL
you got it

777 DesertSage  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:44:12am

Uh-oh...

778 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:44:13am

re: #763 JammieWearingFool Hey my friend, how are you this fine morning? Thanks a lot for that video.
I wonder if the Dem Presidential wannabes really understand that they have INDEED moved from the center of the Democratic Party and are now firmly in bed with the LLL?
That is, btw, a serious question.
It just doesn't seem like something someone as politically astute as Hillary and Bill would do.

779 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:44:27am
780 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:45:24am

re: #771 MandyManners

You're very welcome, I have enjoyed reading your comments here.

Now get back too work... food doesn't cook itself. /Islamic Overlord off.

781 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:46:00am

re: #772 nonic

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about generalities.


You said in the post that you had no idea why I was unable to conceive, so I told you.

Yes we disagree.
Again!

LOL

but at least we do it with dignity!

782 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:46:06am

re: #763 JammieWearingFool

Awesome!

783 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:46:15am

re: #34 Mr. E. Train

As they say over at FARK

"O' RLY?!"

YA RLY

784 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:46:37am

Parsons in pulpits, tax-payers in pews,
Kings on your thrones, you know as well as me,
We've only one virginity to lose,
And where we lost it there our hearts will be!

785 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:46:40am

re: #689 MandyManners

re: #661 NoSubmission

If I were to bump into the X, it'd be with the front bumper of my car.

Why would you want to damage your car over the twerp, Mandy?
Use a monster truck. :-)

786 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:46:48am

re: #767 Lucius Septimius Type or brand of beer won't matter at all at that "fight" trust me on that!

787 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:47:00am
788 tfc3rid  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:47:00am

re: #756 LanceKates

Unreal...

789 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:47:17am

re: #765 ibmkeyboard

Link to news report. I daresay that this case will be appealed. Congress does not have immunity to investigation for criminal acts conducted in the offices of members. However, the Court does not require all documents be returned. It says that the Court will oversee which documents must be returned pursuant to the Speech or Debate Clause.

The court says that "compelled disclosure of privileged
material to the Executive during execution of the search warrant
for Rayburn House Office Building Room 2113 violated the
Speech or Debate Clause and that the Congressman is entitled
to the return of documents that the court determines to be
privileged under the Clause."

The text of the decision is here.

Not at issue is what the heck Rep. Jefferson was doing with $90,000 in cold cash stashed in his freezer.

790 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:47:40am
791 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:47:53am

re: #681 NoSubmission

I did forgive him though

Can you tell me HOW you know you've forgiven him? This is something I'm struggling with now.

I know I want to forgive. How do I know whether I have forgiven?

792 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:48:07am

re: #784 Peacekeeper

You are so poemy today

793 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:49:12am

During the rectification of the Lizards, the Johnson came as a large, moving Torb. Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Reaganite supplicants, they chose a new form for him - that of a giant Sloar. Many Infidels and Rayras knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day, I can tell you.

794 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:49:41am

I am getting exhausted.
I feel a major
[CLUNK]
coming on

In case I disappear:

Hiya PLOOOoOoOooOoMmmMmE

795 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:49:46am

re: #791 nonic

Sometimes forgiveness needs to be a daily thing.

796 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:50:53am
797 reloadingisnotahobby  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:50:55am

re: #763 JammieWearingFool

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!111
Ilove it!

798 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:51:12am
799 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:51:25am

re: #786 realwest

Too true. Although this got me thinking of the beer of my youth Old Style Can't get it where I live, but I can still find the frog on the can.

800 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:52:01am
801 Ma Sands  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:52:34am

re: #671 MandyManners

And with such life-giving potential in the question at the end of that post... :)

802 solomonpanting  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:52:37am

re: #608 savage_nation

re: #601 Occasional Reader


agreeing not to even say the word “HAMAS” - but to call it “SAMAH” its reverse

"Ah, the old backward-talking trick!"

--Agent Maxwell Smart


Did he say that under the cone of silence?


Our politicians are behaving with all the gravitas of Don Adams listening to the phone in his shoe in "Get Smart."

Seems to be a theme here.

'Get Smart' in Washington
Democrats pretend to be serious about intelligence.

803 FightingBack  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:53:29am

re: #752 BabbaZee

However, it is impossible for parents to give the proper attention to so many. And, being raised by older sibs is overrated. The general effect here would be a home-based institution for child care. Still, it is their family, and I wish them the best, of course.

804 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:53:30am

re: #788 tfc3rid

quite.

Though, Congress just passed a bill to better regulate the things they do. Two of my guys complained about it, saying that all it did was give the congressmen more of a way to act in secret on bills, dedicating funds and such. (which is true)

Then again, when a group literally votes themselves raises, why would they do anything to impede on their free gravy train?

That extends to the courts as well... a "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" kind of thing. I'll bet that there won't be any big judicial reform to come in the next congress session as a result.

805 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:53:47am

re: #792 BabbaZee

Some guys are just like that.

Mornin', {Babba}!

806 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:53:52am

re: #800 savage_nation

re: #793 Peacekeeper

Huh?

Hadda be there...

807 Charles  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:54:03am

And let me make that even more clear. Mike C: if you post another 'hat tip' to Rayra, or to anyone at Gulf Coast, I'm going to block your account.

I've had it with these snide little comments.

808 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:54:26am

re: #798 savage_nation

That's my official WLGF theme for Charles
1) because he is such a Saint
and
2) because it sounds like very good music for zooming around on a high tech bicycle to me.

809 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:54:48am

re: #803 FightingBack

I can see your point there.

810 Buck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:54:50am

re: #635 Occasional Reader

Damn CIA lost a good man.

CIA? Nay! Maxwell Smart was an agent of CONTROL. Whose headquarters are at "123 Main Street, Washington, DC". I've spent ten years looking for that street.

You couldn't find the building? And you have been looking for that long?

You must have just missed it by that much...

/fingers one inch apart.

811 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:54:59am

Where's OR,

He can do trivia for me next week.

And Lance,

you can do a word of the day, right?

812 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:55:22am

re: #811 coz

I'll even do it in plain english! *grin*

813 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:55:27am
814 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:55:27am

re: #802 solomonpanting

"Democrats pretend to be serious about intelligence".

Denocrats and intelligence in the same sentence?

815 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:55:36am

re: #805 RedPepper

{redpepper!}

816 savage_nation[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:55:47am
817 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:55:59am

re: #814 AmeriDan

yeah, but it includes the word 'pretend' so it is ok.

818 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:56:07am

re: #725 Occasional Reader

Re Mandy

There are definitely men out there whose relationship with women can only be described as "predatory".

Some time ago I read that there was a study done on self-esteem.

It was determined that heterosexual men and homosexual women generally had high self-esteem. And that homosexual men and heterosexual women often had low self-esteem.

The conclusion of the study was that whoever was being... uh... well... uh... "made love to" by MEN would tend to have lower self-esteem.

Intriguing thought.

819 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:56:28am

re: #813 ploome hineni

A stopped clock is right twice a day!

820 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:57:14am

re: #803 FightingBack

And, being raised by older sibs is overrated.


Hell, I only have two kids but since they are eight years apart, the older one thought (and still thinks) that she was the third parent. Not a good thing.

821 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:57:38am

TTFN, some f*cktard threw a kitten into our yard and I have to get it out from under the porch and keep the other cats from assaulting it.

822 NoSubmission  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:57:40am

re: #791 nonic

re: #681 NoSubmission

I did forgive him though

Can you tell me HOW you know you've forgiven him? This is something I'm struggling with now.

I know I want to forgive. How do I know whether I have forgiven?


Because I don't hate him and I wish him well. And I actually saved his life by bailing him out of jail after that - for an unrelated incident. He completely straightened out his life and it was because of me. So, for that, I will always feel good. I just ran into him last weekend in fact, he is doing fine.

823 Confuzed  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:57:45am

How'd Israel like to get their hands on the SWORD for 'negotiations' with Hamas?

After years of development, three "special weapons observation remote reconnaissance direct action system" (SWORDS) robots have deployed to Iraq, armed with M249 machine guns.


Text link here, with video linked to youtube that can be clicked.
I'd hate to be on the receiving end of those bad boys.

824 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:57:54am

NEW NEWS: Beauchamp investigation concluded per Matt Sanchez;

[Link: www.matt-sanchez.com...]

825 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:58:24am
826 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:58:32am

re: #814 AmeriDan

Denocrats

Speaking of intelligence, or lack of.

827 Ma Sands  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:58:58am

re: #758 coz

Wilderness Fellowship by any chance? :)

828 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:59:03am

re: #823 Confuzed

How'd Israel like to get their hands on the SWORD for 'negotiations' with Hamas?


After years of development, three "special weapons observation remote reconnaissance direct action system" (SWORDS) robots have deployed to Iraq, armed with M249 machine guns.

Text link here, with video linked to youtube that can be clicked.
I'd hate to be on the receiving end of those bad boys.

Who do you think invented all those robots?

829 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:59:04am
830 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 7:59:28am

re: #817 LanceKates

But it's still creepy.

831 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:00:00am

re: #818 nonic

re: #725 Occasional Reader

Intriguing thought.

Strikes me as absurd. On any number of counts.

There is good evidence that the techniques used in psychological "studies" produce similar results as torture. Meaning, be skeptical even before the statistics are applied.

832 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:00:57am

{cozzie}
I hadn't given you your huggie for today.
;-)

833 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:01:38am

re: #825 Ben Hur

Report: SAMAH and HATAF are holding secret talks

OOH OOH! Who are these mysterious groups?

Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

834 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:01:54am

re: #777 DesertSage Indeed. Just caught up and saw that. Yikes!

835 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:01:56am

And let's not forget that CAIR's greatest hits (archive.org holds many of their sins:

RELATIVES OF EGYPTAIR CRASH VICTIMS ASKED TO CONTACT CAIR

(WASHINGTON, D.C.) - Relatives and friends of those who died in the crash of EgyptAir Flight 990 are being asked to contact CAIR. A number of family members have already requested that CAIR help evaluate their future options. At a news conference in Washington, CAIR officials offered an evaluation of the transcript of Flight 990's cockpit voice recorder released today by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB).

CAIR said:

1. the transcripts show a man who was working with other crewmembers to save the plane, not cause it to crash,
2. the initial leaks of inaccurate information following the crash corrupted the atmosphere in which the investigation would take place, and
3. the fact that the co-pilot uttered the phrase "tawakaltu ala Allah," or "I put my trust in God," by itself would not be sufficient to prove criminal action or intent. CAIR also called for an investigation into the inaccurate leaks.

Flight 990 crashed October 31, 1999, off the coast of Massachusetts, killing all 217 people aboard. At the time of the crash, there was speculation that the co-pilot uttered "tawakaltu ala Allah" before deliberately putting the aircraft into a dive as part of a suicide attempt.

First, the Egypt Air crash investigation showed no mechanical problems, the 767 has one of the best safety records of any plane ever flown (2 non terror related crashes of which one was dense fog). Contradicting CAIR, NTSB blamed the pilot. The cockpit voice recorder clearly shows the guilty pilot chasing the captain and third pilot out of the cockpit, the moment they left the cockpit, the plan dived to its doom.

Yet another instance of CAIR in denial. There is no proof the downing of Flt 990 was terror but there is no question the pilot intended to crash the plane and put his soul to Allah when he did it. Since suicide is forbidden in Islam, the pilot was either insane (but smart enough to clear the cockpit) or he knew exactly what he was doing.

Also of interest is the fact that there were at least 20 very senior Egyptian military leaders on the plane. The crash was a suicide killing. The suicide-killer pilot was not scheduled to be at the controls and his request to take the controls was deemed by the commanding pilot to be unusual. Which raises the interesting question: had the killer been tipped off to put a hit on the Egyptian general staff?

836 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:02:00am

Charles
I like that chartreuse better than the pink you were kickin' the other night. Looks much better on you.

837 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:02:43am

re: #818 nonic

Interesting thought, though I don't know that the direct correlation is the one getting the poke.

Though, I have also seen cases, where the woman is the one with the high self-esteem and the man is the one that is crushed and mentally abused by the woman. There are always exceptions.

When it comes down to it, it is all about love and power. The one that loves the most gives up the power and the one that loves the least has the power.

The one with the power can use it for good, or can use it selfishly, which is always bad. (however, the selfish one doesn't care anyway)

My beef with alot of today's society is that it paints men as stupid and all women as the superior one in any relationship. We're now beginning to reap the crop of such things, with women now being the aggressive ones and the men being more feminine.

It is everwhere on the television, from commercials for insurance to television shows like Everybody Loves Raymond to movies.

Men are often seen as the great aggressor and the woman is generally seen as the victim. However, society doesn't really allow for male victims as they are to 'be a man and suck it up.'

Men have emotions as well, but our society tries to paint men as big dumb animals who don't have emotions and only want sex, or as feminine metro/homosexials who are women with an "outie"

838 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:02:43am

re: #833 Lucius Septimius
lolololol
I can't take it anymore
I have to nap

Be back later maybe

Farewell Lizardia!

839 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:03:46am

re: #823 Confuzed

Way cool. Gotta get me one of those for bad days in the classroom.

840 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:04:21am

re: #781 BabbaZee

Yes we disagree.
Again!
LOL
but at least we do it with dignity!

Exactly. :-)

841 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:04:29am

re: #836 redstateredneck

What state do you redneck in. I do my in TN.

842 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:04:39am

re: #835 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

WHen Mubarak was asked whether or not the plane was intentionally crash by suicide, he replied,
"No, Muslims don't commit suicide."
Seriously.

I doubt I can find the link, but I'll try.

843 Iron Fist[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:04:54am
844 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:05:14am

re: #837 LanceKates


the one getting the poke.


"Lonesome Dove" reference?

845 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:05:38am

re: #844 redstateredneck

don't know... never saw it.

846 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:05:45am

OT:

Matt Sanchez, who's at FOB Falcon, reports in that the US Army has completed its investigation with the following finding:

"refuted by members of his platoon and proven to be false"

That's going to leave a mark.

847 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:05:56am

{Ma Sands}

No, not that one.

This camp is pertty big, kids from 3 or 4 states will be there. I'm not sure the "name" of it, but its a HUGE responsibility. A lot of these kids are hurting.

Prayers please.

848 FightingBack  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:06:11am

re: #820 redstateredneck

And, your family has available parental supervision. Imagine if not.

849 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:06:12am

re: #833 Lucius Septimius


For now on I will refer to Palestinian terror groups by their code names.

I don't know how the FBI figured out the SAMAH was the code word for HAMAS.

They truly are geniuses.

850 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:06:21am

aww {mom}

: )

851 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:06:33am

re: #847 coz

Hope all goes well.

Remember, no weapons allowed in Wisconsin.

852 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:06:36am

re: #841 AmeriDan

re: #836 redstateredneck

What state do you redneck in. I do my in TN.

I am a gen-u-wine Mississippi redneck (by marriage). After thirty years, I feel like I'm a native.

853 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:06:45am
854 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:06:58am

No, Ben, this camp is not in the 'outback'.

855 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:07:49am

Whisky Hill ring a bell? Waterford?

856 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:08:07am
857 Peacekeeper  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:08:10am

...
That with music loud and long,
I would build that dome in air,
That sunny dome ! those caves of ice !
And all who heard should see them there,
And all should cry, Beware ! Beware !
His flashing eyes, his floating hair !
Weave a circle round him thrice,
And close your eyes with holy dread,
For he on honey-dew hath fed,
And drunk the milk of Paradise.

858 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:08:25am

re: #848 FightingBack

re: #820 redstateredneck

And, your family has available parental supervision. Imagine if not.

There would have been a killin' by now!

859 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:09:25am

re: #853 Ben Hur

Heh... nice. 800k from the guy's companies and he's complaining about Hillary's 20k?

"remove the plank from your own eye, then worry about the speck in your brother's eye."

860 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:10:49am
861 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:11:09am

re: #855 AmeriDan

Whisky Hill ring a bell? Waterford?


I'm in southwest MS between Jackson and New Orleans.

862 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:12:01am

re: #822 NoSubmission

Thanks.

And coz #795

Thanks.

863 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:12:23am

re: #860 taxfreekiller

So, hows this,,,

A good morning , cowboy,"hat tip" to all the nice ladies posting near.

tip,,,

how do you do, this find day,,,

cute shoes,,,!


Why, hey there, you charmer,,,

864 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:13:25am
865 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:13:45am

re: #837 LanceKates

Agreed, but the assault on masculinity goes deeper. Compare the NAEP data on reading scores for boys and girls over the past few years and you'll see what's happening.

866 realwest  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:14:04am

Well it's been grand as usual but I gotta go do some chores now - y'all have just a GREAT day and I hope I can see you later on!

867 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:14:43am

When asked if Batouty could have been depressed, Murad stated, “He has Hajj, he is Hajj. If you know the meaning of Hajj, it means everything can happen with the help of Allah.” He continued in disbelief, “Unbelievable if you tell me Gameel Batouti suicide. Unbelievable.”

“Suicide is against Islam conceptually and otherwise,” said Nabil Osman, an Egyptian government spokesman. “A Muslim who commits suicide dies an atheist.”

[Link: 64.233.169.104...]

868 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:15:53am

I can't beleive Coz is forcing kids into a Camp.

Fascist.

869 AmeriDan  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:16:03am

re: #861 redstateredneck

Rodger that. These places are more northeast and I lived there for a few years. I've done the Jackson- New Orleans road trip many a time.

870 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:17:15am

re: #831 Lucius Septimius

re: #725 Occasional Reader
Intriguing thought.
Strikes me as absurd. On any number of counts.
There is good evidence that the techniques used in psychological "studies" produce similar results as torture. Meaning, be skeptical even before the statistics are applied.

Yeah, I have no doubt that the conclusions, even the data, are probably suspect. But I've always thought there must be... well, could be... a real difference in the way that men and women experience "bliss" since one does outside the body, as it were, and one does inside the body.

(This is probably a topic better left for another time and place. :-)

871 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:17:25am

re: #865 Lucius Septimius

Boys are boys, girls are girls. Men are Men, Women are Women.

they are different. Equal. however, equal in quality doesn't mean equal on every quantitave thing.

Modern PC movements, inspired by Feminism, hold that unless women are viewed as qualitatively the same as men, it is wrong. (even if you have to remove the Manly nature of men to do it)...

However, in so doing, they are denying what gives a woman her value.. her feminity.

They are on such a kick to remove what gives a male his value (his masculinity) that they ignore a woman's value.

If I were a woman, I'd be highly offended.

872 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:18:22am

re: #870 nonic

that's standard topic on the DDT... you have the right thread, just an hour or two too early.

*grin*

873 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:19:21am

re: #868 Ben Hur

I can't beleive Coz is forcing kids into a Camp.

Fascist.

Ben,

I can ALWAYS count on you for a good laugh in the morning!

but, really, ssshhh, don't tell nobody.

874 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:21:23am

re: #869 AmeriDan

I've done the Jackson- New Orleans road trip many a time.


Didja see me?
;-)

875 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:21:55am

re: #837 LanceKates

The one that loves the most gives up the power and the one that loves the least has the power.

I absolutely, positively agree. How did an innocent young fellow like you learn late-life wisdom so prematurely? :-)

I just threw the original idea out there, and now, actually, I'm sorry I did.

But your comments are very insightful. There's some LUCKY woman out there with a really great love in store for her --- when she finds you. {Lance}

876 Lucius Septimius  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:21:58am

re: #871 LanceKates

re: #865 Lucius Septimius

Boys are boys, girls are girls. Men are Men, Women are Women.

Would seem pretty obvious, but liberals are always smarter than reality.

OK, gotta run. Laundry to fold, kids to clean, killer robots to program.

BBL

877 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:21:58am

re: #874 redstateredneck

re: #869 AmeriDan


I've done the Jackson- New Orleans road trip many a time.

Didja see me?
;-)


You were the attractive lady shooting snakes, right?

878 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:22:24am

Republicans addressing the media and they are rattling a long list of entitlement programs for illegal immigrants that the Dems have included in other bills that have passed.
The bill last night was an agriculture bill and gives food stamps to illegal immigrants.

879 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:22:49am

re: #871 LanceKates

However, in so doing, they are denying what gives a woman her value.. her feminity.


It's also what gives us out power.
/I ain't stupid
:D

880 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:23:06am

our

881 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:23:37am

re: #875 nonic

*grins* aww. shuck's ma'am. *wink*

I was raised as an only child, and we moved alot, so I never had many friends.

Gives a guy a long time to watch and study how regular people interact.

And, thanks for the compliment. made my day.

882 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:24:10am

re: #880 redstateredneck

power yes. spelling ability.. no.

(but then, who am I when it comes to spelling? heh.)

883 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:25:43am

Gotta go do some work. BBL on the DDT.

884 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:25:59am

re: #878 Just_A_Grunt

well, I guess the Dems considered them related because both deal with edible things...?

The Republicans are no better, they just have a different target group for their free money.

and they work to keep themselves in office.

Gone are the days of government for, of and by the people.

Oklahoma's Senators seem to be good guys though... they try to rock the boat when they can. I imagine they're not greatly liked when politicians speak off the record.

885 nonic  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:26:37am

re: #872 LanceKates

that's standard topic on the DDT... you have the right thread, just an hour or two too early.
*grin*

Oh, yeah? Every time I did a little eavesdropping, you guys were just talkin' about guns.

Fine subject, fine subject. But not one of mine. :-)

886 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:28:29am

re: #885 nonic

there are so many topics. i'm sure you could change the topic to discuss such things without much revolt from us... *grin*

and I mainly talk guns with gettinby, who is strangely absent.

887 LanceKates  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:28:52am

Though I do mix the two topics, when i post pictures of attractive girls with guns.

888 Ma Sands  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:29:13am

re: #847 coz

Will do. Am. Thanks for asking. :)

889 coz  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:30:23am

nonic,

the gun posts are really just to throw everybody off of what they are all really talking about.

890 Ma Sands  Fri, Aug 3, 2007 8:30:45am

re: #860 taxfreekiller

I tell ya, you ca