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'Shock Troops' - Gone from TNR?

Tue, Aug 7, 2007 at 9:38:17 am PDT

A search on The New Republic for “Shock Troops” turns up no results; they’ve apparently removed Scott Beauchamp’s articles without a word.

So here’s an open Tuesday morning thread to discuss the dog that didn’t bark in the night.

(Note: expect another day of sporadic posting; I’m traveling and won’t have access to the intertubes for most the day.)

UPDATE at 8/7/07 9:50:00 am:

Correction: there’s a link to the article on the “bio” page for “Scott Thomas,” but it does not show up in a search.

UPDATE at 8/7/07 9:59:29 am:

A search for “Scott Thomas” returns his previous two articles, but not “Shock Troops.” Odd.

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1 P. Aaron  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:39:07am

Garbage in...garbage out.

2 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:40:36am

I still can't figure out how they outed him.

Such a tricky pseudonym.

3 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:40:40am

And here I thought the TNR folks were on vacation....they musta come back early to defend Beauchamp some more.

4 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:40:58am

Scott who?

5 P. Aaron  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:41:19am

Lousy inaccurate, misleading journalism from the MSM? Not on our watch...well not today anyway....well, um not until we get caught again.

6 liege  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:42:11am

The intertubes sure makes it harder to get away with lies. Thank you, Al Gore for your nifty invention.

7 humanity  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:42:19am

anyone wanna learn Islamic English

[Link: www.politicallyincorrect.de...]

8 Iron Fist  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:42:25am

He's now an unperson. How quaint.

9 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:42:33am

Hey TNR, you can store the piece over there with Adnan Hajj's pictures, Dan Rather's memos, and the cue cards saying, "I did not have sex with that woman."

10 Shug  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:42:56am

shocking !

11 Lone_Oregon_Conservative  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:43:01am

I would like to nominate the New Republic for the first annual "Dan Rather Excellence In Reporting" Award.

12 starboardhelm  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:43:11am

Still there under the "Scott Thomas" bio:

http://www.tnr.com/showBio.mhtml?pid=1034&sa=1

13 JamesTKirk  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:43:14am

Shocked, yes shocked am I!

14 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:43:18am

Man I love using one Crappolla site to expose another.

From Wikki on TRN:


Stephen Glass scandal
In 1998, features writer Stephen Glass was revealed in a Forbes magazine investigation to have fabricated a story called "Hack Heaven". A TNR investigation found that most of Glass' stories had used or been based on fabricated information. The story of Glass's fall and TNR editor Chuck Lane's handling of the scandal was dramatized in a 2003 film Shattered Glass, based on a 1998 article in Vanity Fair.[16]

In 2006, associate editor Spencer Ackerman was fired by Foer. Describing it as a "painful" decision, Foer attributed the firing to Ackerman's "insubordination": disparaging the magazine on his personal blog,[22] saying that he would “skullfuck” a terrorist's corpse at an editorial meeting if that was required to "establish his anti-terrorist bona fides" and sending Foer an e-mail where he said—in what according to Ackerman was intended to be a joke—he would “make a niche in your skull” with a baseball bat. Ackerman, by contrast, argued that the dismissal was due to “irreconcilable ideological differences.”

15 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:43:24am

Even though they're on vacation, if you go to The New Republic's website, you'll see that they're posting blog entries today, ignoring the dead body stinking up their house.

They done been PWND.

16 EtNorskTroll  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:44:12am

OT~

Posted without further comment:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

~Norsk Troll

17 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:44:13am

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

What Wikki has to say about Beauchamp:

In July 2007, after The New Republic published an article by an American soldier in Iraq titled "Shock Troops," allegations of inadequate fact-checking were leveled against the magazine. Critics alleged that the piece contained inconsistent details indicative of fabrication. The identity of the anonymous soldier, Scott Thomas Beauchamp, was revealed. As a result of the controversy, the New Republic and the United States Army launched investigations.[24][25][26]
On August 2, 2007, The New Republic issued a statement backing the stories, but corrected the location of one event described by Beauchamp from Iraq to Kuwait. In the statement, editors for The New Republic also noted that the Army had "short-circuited" the magazine's investigation by disrupting communication with Beauchamp.[27][28] On August 6, 2007, the Weekly Standard reported that Beauchamp recanted the allegations raised in the "Shock Troops" articles

18 varmint  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:44:20am

sort of on topic...

[Link: www.attackcartoons.com...]


watched shattered glass a while ago. all the editors were portrayed as terrified that the scandal would be the end of the magazine. well, what does it take? how many more debacles before they pack it in?

19 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:44:23am

re: #11 Lone_Oregon_Conservative

Second!

20 pat  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:44:27am

Another electrifying TNR story down the wormhole of leftist revisionism. If Hillary is elected Pres, the story will be resurrected as fact.

21 dustyvet  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:44:35am

Is asking TNR to apologize for Scott Beauchamp’s lies asking to much?

22 P. Aaron  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:44:46am

re: #6 liege

The intertubes sure makes it harder to get away with lies. Thank you, Al Gore for your nifty invention.

Saw on Bumpersticker:

Al Gore didn't invent the internet, but he did invent Global Warming
23 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:45:15am

Of course they didn't say anything about their jerking the article. They're embarassed.

24 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:45:39am

re: #14 Ginn

I have some advice for TNR: Those who live in 'Glass' houses shouldn't be throwing any stones. You'd think they woulda learned.

25 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:45:42am

Oh, and if they regretted it, they would apologize.

26 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:46:06am
27 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:46:46am
28 bosforus  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:47:06am

with how far up the line this story went it wouldn't surprise me if they were told to remove it.

29 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:47:08am
30 paxnhymn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:47:35am

re: #8 Iron Fist

He's now an unperson. How quaint.

correction my friend: He is now an unperson doing punitive duty for Uncle Sugar, and that, is justice: the justice that TNR won't write about!

31 bosforus  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:47:38am

anyone else not able to get to the tnr website?

32 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:47:39am

This just can't be our Andy Sullivan?

In 1990, Andrew Sullivan, a 28-year-old gay Catholic from Britain, became editor and took the magazine in a somewhat more conservative direction, though the majority of writers remained liberal or neoliberal. Hertzberg soon left the magazine to return to The New Yorker. Kinsley left the magazine in 1996 to found the online magazine Slate.[5]

Sullivan invited Charles Murray to contribute a controversial 10,000-word article that contended blacks may be, as a whole, less intelligent than whites due to genetics.

Ruth Shalit, a young writer for the magazine in the Sullivan years, was repeatedly criticized for plaigarism. To fact-check her stories, Sullivan called on Stephen Glass, who later was found to have made up quotes, anecdotes and facts in his articles

33 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:48:05am

re: #16 EtNorskTroll

OT~

Posted without further comment:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

~Norsk Troll

Your heart goes out to the man.

34 jcm  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:48:10am

Honest media publishes a correction.

'nuf said.

35 Shug  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:48:13am

re: #31 bosforus

anyone else not able to get to the tnr website?

my firewall has a fake news filter, so I can't access it.

36 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:48:42am

Okay, here's my question? How has TRN survived this long?

37 loppyd  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:48:43am

re: #30 paxnhymn

re: #8 Iron Fist

He's now an unperson. How quaint.

correction
my friend: He is now an unperson doing punitive duty for Uncle Sugar,
and that, is justice: the justice that TNR won't write about!


I love how you think!

{Pax}

Mmmmmwaaaaah!

38 pat  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:48:56am

Dr Sanity has a poem on topic today. Beauchamp at the bat,

The Outlook was quite brilliant for The New Republic rag:
The polls were in their favor, and the public will had sagged.
But when Bush didn't falter, as Petraeus led the surge,
A sickly silence fell upon those moonbats on the verge.

more at:

[Link: drsanity.blogspot.com...]

39 Dustyvet  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:49:16am

re: #17 Ginn

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

What Wikki has to say about Beauchamp:

In July 2007, after The New Republic published an article by an American soldier in Iraq titled "Shock Troops," allegations of inadequate fact-checking were leveled against the magazine. Critics alleged that the piece contained inconsistent details indicative of fabrication. The identity of the anonymous soldier, Scott Thomas Beauchamp, was revealed. As a result of the controversy, the New Republic and the United States Army launched investigations.[24][25][26]
On August 2, 2007, The New Republic issued a statement backing the stories, but corrected the location of one event described by Beauchamp from Iraq to Kuwait. In the statement, editors for The New Republic also noted that the Army had "short-circuited" the magazine's investigation by disrupting communication with Beauchamp.[27][28] On August 6, 2007, the Weekly Standard reported that Beauchamp recanted the allegations raised in the "Shock Troops" articles

The New Republic also noted that the Army had "short-circuited" investigation by disrupting communication with Beauchamp...All together now "aw gee whize"!

40 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:49:23am

Fake but True.

/

41 jcm  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:49:26am

re: #33 bikermailman

re: #16 EtNorskTroll

OT~

Posted without further comment:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

~Norsk Troll

Your heart goes out to the man.

I hope no charges are filed, extreme mitigating circumstances and all.

42 paxnhymn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:49:31am

{loppy bunny}

43 bobthebuilder  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:49:43am

Another "Fake but accurate" vampire spiked through it's cold dead heart.

"Old Media", you all keep laying down in that coffin of lies and deceit, Charles, and company will be happy to nail the lid shut.

I would say "Shame on TNR" but we all know that the "old guard" media has no shame.

44 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:49:47am

Are they so stupid to think nobody copied these pages?

Once it's on the Internet, it can never go away entirely.

45 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:49:58am

re: #23 MandyManners

Of course they didn't say anything about their jerking the article. They're embarassed.

Too effin' bad. Real journalists ( I know, I know) would suck it up and put up some sort of statement, with an apology to readers.

46 Iron Fist  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:50:05am

OT,

and depressing. Israel removes settlers from West Bank. This worked out so well in Gaza, they might as well do it again.

[Sigh]

47 christheprofessor  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:50:15am

If, as they say, history is the propaganda of the victors, it's kind of ironic that these losers get to revise history by "disappearing" their bogus article...

48 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:50:29am

Here is a link to an interesting diary on the KOS. The author basically says that they (the left) need to try and realize the mistake in all of this. That is all good.

It gets better when people start commenting. Most of them think now it is a major cover up and Scott is the fall guy. The lunacy of the far left.

49 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:50:40am

.

I’m traveling

The Lizard Master is on the Lizard Ship !
Shall we expect the Coming of the Great Lizards from the Great Void Outside ?

Repent, KOmmieSKIDS !

/I know, it is not "repent" but "metanoia" (but I don't know the imperative of metanoein)...

50 pat  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:51:36am

re: #36 Ginn

Okay, here's my question? How has TRN survived this long?

Excellent question. TNR is subsidized by a left wing owner. Another rich socialist trying to assuage his guilt.

51 EtNorskTroll  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:51:50am

re: #33 bikermailman

re: #16 EtNorskTroll

OT~

Posted without further comment:

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

~Norsk Troll

Your heart goes out to the man.

This kind of stuff make my blood glow white hot. They could use my body for a lamp in a lighthouse right now.

I'm gong to sign off now before I get banned...

~ENT

52 bikermailman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:52:20am

re: #32 Ginn

This just can't be our Andy Sullivan?


In 1990, Andrew Sullivan, a 28-year-old gay Catholic from Britain, became editor and took the magazine in a somewhat more conservative direction, though the majority of writers remained liberal or neoliberal. Hertzberg soon left the magazine to return to The New Yorker. Kinsley left the magazine in 1996 to found the online magazine Slate.[5]

Sullivan invited Charles Murray to contribute a controversial 10,000-word article that contended blacks may be, as a whole, less intelligent than whites due to genetics.

Ruth Shalit, a young writer for the magazine in the Sullivan years, was repeatedly criticized for plaigarism. To fact-check her stories, Sullivan called on Stephen Glass, who later was found to have made up quotes, anecdotes and facts in his articles

Those jagoffs want to equate less intelligence for blacks as a CONSERVATIVE postion?!?

Okay, back to work for the mailman. I can't Cliffy around allll day.

53 Geepers  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:52:36am

I don't understand. Why just last Thursday they claimed to have rigorously fact-checked his stories and they were all corroborated by third parties.

54 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:52:39am

And while we laugh.. here is an excerpt from "Shock Troops"

One private, infamous as a joker and troublemaker, found the top part of a human skull, which was almost perfectly preserved. It even had chunks of hair, which were stiff and matted down with dirt. He squealed as he placed it on his head like a crown. It was a perfect fit. As he marched around with the skull on his head, people dropped shovels and sandbags, folding in half with laughter. No one thought to tell him to stop. No one was disgusted. Me included.

The private wore the skull for the rest of the day and night. Even on a mission, he put his helmet over the skull. He observed that he was grateful his hair had just been cut—since it would make it easier to pick out the pieces of rotting flesh that were digging into his head.

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

55 squarepeg  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:52:52am

re: #6 liege

The intertubes sure makes it harder to get away with lies. Thank you, Al Gore for your nifty invention.

And thank you, Google, for subverting your fellow lefties' attempt to hide an inconvenient truth.

56 tasteslikechicken  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:53:00am

And The New Republic holds itself up as a paragon of the enlightened, intellectual center-left.

It's utterly pathetic what they've become.

57 Ziggy  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:53:08am

I bet life isn't to pleasant for Beauchump right now. His mates are probably less than pleased with how he impugned their character with made up tales of savagery just to push a political agenda.

58 pingjockey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:53:18am

Did bochump get njp(non-judicial punishment)? Or is the little traitor going to get a court martial and maybe a big chicken dinner? And if does get a BCD that is a felony!

59 vxbush  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:53:20am

re: #49 Poitiers-Lepanto

.

I’m traveling

The Lizard Master is on the Lizard Ship !
Shall we expect the Coming of the Great Lizards from the Great Void Outside ?

Repent, KOmmieSKIDS !

/I know, it is not "repent" but "metanoia" (but I don't know the imperative of metanoein)...

metanoite?

60 loppyd  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:54:01am

re: #53 Geepers


I know. Why the change of the heart?

:)

61 zombie  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:54:07am
(Note: expect another day of sporadic posting; I’m traveling and won’t have access to the intertubes for most the day.)

Ahh, my Holmesian guesswork yesterday was right on the money: because the second-to-last post yesterday was posted at 9:29am, but he said in it that he would not be posting "for the rest of the afternoon," dropping the clue that he was in a different time zone but that the LGF system still registered his posting as being in Pacific Time.

That's why I wasn't worried -- the clues said he was travelling.

62 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:54:11am

And down the memory hole it goes. Just another beautiful day, here on Airstrip Two. Now, if you'll excuse me, I gotta go. The clock's about to strike thirteen.
/

63 storagemanager  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:54:21am

Whats new.

64 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:54:22am

re: #46 Iron Fist


Hebron is not a settlement.

Jews in Hebron are not settlers.

65 Carl in Jerusalem  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:54:38am

Traveling? Another secret PJM meeting in New York?

Well, for those who missed it on the dead thread, here's an idea whose time has come.

66 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:55:10am

More from "Shock Troops"

We were already halfway through our meals when she arrived. After a minute or two of eating in silence, one of my friends stabbed his spoon violently into his pile of mashed potatoes and left it there.
“Man, I can’t eat like this,” he said.
“Like what?” I said. “Chow hall food getting to you?”
“No—with that fucking freak behind us!” he exclaimed, loud enough for not only her to hear us, but everyone at the surrounding tables. I looked over at the woman, and she was intently staring into each forkful of food before it entered her half-melted mouth.
“Are you kidding? I think she’s fucking hot!” I blurted out.
“What?” said my friend, half-smiling.
“Yeah man,” I continued. “I love chicks that have been intimate—with IEDs. It really turns me on—melted skin, missing limbs, plastic noses . . . .”
“You’re crazy, man!” my friend said, doubling over with laughter. I took it as my cue to continue.
“In fact, I was thinking of getting some girls together and doing a photo shoot. Maybe for a calendar? ‘IED Babes.’ We could have them pose in thongs and bikinis on top of the hoods of their blown-up vehicles.”
My friend was practically falling out of his chair laughing. The disfigured woman slammed her cup down and ran out of the chow hall, her half-finished tray of food nearly falling to the ground.


Dear Scott:

Why?

Ginn

67 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:55:33am

I'm really sorry to see TNR go over to the dark side like this. They were one of the few liberal opinion journals who "got" the danger of Jihad AND Saddam.

68 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:55:37am

Actually, this took longer than I expected, yet it was inevitable.

Ex-Clinton Official Ties Minneapolis Bridge Collapse To Global Warming.

Hat tip: Rush.

69 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:55:45am

re: #14 Ginn

Journalism scandals in the United States

* 2.1 Walter Duranty, The New York Times (1930s)
* 2.2 Janet Cooke, Washington Post (1980-1981)
* 2.3 "Waiting to Explode", Dateline NBC (1992)
* 2.4 The Oregonian's coverage of the Packwood scandal (1992)
* 2.5 Bob Wisehart, Sacramento Bee (1994)
* 2.6 Stephen Glass, The New Republic (1998)
* 2.7 Patricia Smith, Boston Globe (1998)
* 2.8 Operation Tailwind, CNN NewsStand (1998)
* 2.9 Mike Barnicle, Boston Globe (1998)
* 2.10 Michael Gallagher (1998)
* 2.11 Jay Forman, Slate (2001)
* 2.12 Bob Greene, Chicago Tribune (2002)
* 2.13 Christopher Newton, Associated Press (2002)
* 2.14 Houston Chronicle Light Rail Controversy (2002)
* 2.15 Brian Walski, The Los Angeles Times (2003)
* 2.16 James Forlong, Sky News (2003)
* 2.17 CNN coverage of Iraq and Eason Jordan (2003)
* 2.18 Jayson Blair, The New York Times (2003)
* 2.19 "Gropegate", The Los Angeles Times (2003)
* 2.20 Jack Kelley, USA Today (2004)
* 2.21 Stephen Dunphy, Seattle Times (2004)
* 2.22 The Oregonian's coverage of the Goldschmidt scandal (2004)
* 2.23 The Boston Globe's Fake "GI Rape" Photographs (2004)
* 2.24 The ABC News election memo (2004)
* 2.25 Carl Cameron, Fox News Channel (2004)
* 2.26 CBS News and the "Killian Documents" (2004)
* 2.27 Thom Calandra, Marketwatch.com (2005)
* 2.28 Eason Jordan, CNN (2005)
* 2.29 Fake American hostage, Associated Press (2005)
* 2.30 Eric Slater, Los Angeles Times (2005)
* 2.31 Mitch Albom, Detroit Free Press (2005)
* 2.32 Barbara Stewart, Boston Globe (2005)
* 2.33 Diana Griego Erwin, Sacramento Bee (2005)
* 2.34 Chris Cecil, Cartersville Daily News (2005)
* 2.35 The Daily Egyptian's fake orphan (2005)
* 2.36 Bush administration journalism scandals (2005)
* 2.37 Jim Van Vliet, Sacramento Bee (2005)
* 2.38 Nada Behziz, The Bakersfield Californian (2005)
* 2.39 Tim Ryan, Honolulu Star-Bulletin (2006)
* 2.40 Hassan Fattah, New York Times' Abu Ghraib photos (2006)
* 2.41 Michael Hiltzik, The Los Angeles Times (2006)
* 2.42 Paul Bradley, Richmond Times-Dispatch (2006)
* 2.43 Philip Chien, Wired News (2006)
* 2.44 Greg Mitchell, Editor & Publisher (2006)
* 2.45 Adnan Hajj, Reuters (2006)
* 2.46 Miami anti-Castro broadcasts (2006)
* 2.47 Jack Hitt and New York Times Abortion/Infanticide Article (2006)
* 2.48 Jacqueline Gonzalez, San Antonio Express News (2007)
* 2.49 Maria Bartiromo, CNBC (2007)
* 2.50 Allan Detrich, The Blade (2007)
* 2.51 "Katie Couric's Notebook," CBSNews.com (2007)

70 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:56:09am

re: #49 Poitiers-Lepanto

/I know, it is not "repent" but "metanoia" (but I don't know the imperative of metanoein)...

I believe metanoein is irregular and it's imperative should be conjugated as metanoyia

71 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:56:14am

Some of the better comments over at KOS regarding the recant by Scott Beauchump.

The fact that Beauchamp is a Private on active duty means that he is under military discipline and nothing he says can be trusted either way at least not completely. You have to look at the testimony of many soldiers as to the real conditions in Iraq and elsewhere in the Imperial Domains. You might look at a review in Nation Magazine of The Other War: Iraq Vets Bear Witness to start looking.

one way or the other but I would be just as quick to with hold judgement now as you (and I) were before. Pvt Beauchamp no longer has his cell phone or access to a computer and his family hasn't heard from him. TNR is being hampered by the Army in fact checking the stories. Maybe he made it up and maybe they are screwing him for telling the truth. We just don't know yet and the journalists working on it need a little time. You're right that, as liberals we need to maintain a bias for the truth. That means looking critically at what evidence we have. So far, we have very little.

Just plain crazy

72 Shug  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:56:58am

When truth doesn't matter to the average stupid american, why be honest in your reporting?

half of americans are below average.
half of americans can't name one of their state senators.
most can't tell you the name of the VP.
your average progressive is suffering from BDS and is mentally ill.

so why report the truth?

73 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:56:58am

Anyone else catch this little gem about the most morally bankrupted organization ever created?

U.N. employee arrested in NY over visa fraud scheme

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. authorities arrested a U.N. translator on suspicion of visa fraud on Monday, accusing him of using U.N. letterhead to bring foreigners into the United States for nonexistent conferences.

74 Charles  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:57:01am

See above: the article appears to be in a sort of limbo at the site; it's still there, but does not show up in a search - the same search I used to find it previously.

75 Shug  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:57:59am

re: #74 Charles

your green is extra green today.

76 hurricane_jimmy  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:58:00am

Damage control underway at TNR. This is a big deal and if little Scotty's wife was responsible for getting the story published, her link may vanish as well.

The msm may be brushing this story under the rug, but there are so many blogs that are all over this story. They're fighting to save credibility at TNR and going on "vacation" will not allow them to sidestep the controversy.

77 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:58:14am

re: #59 vxbush

I don't know, I this moment I am far from my Greek dictionary, grammars etc....

"CHANGE YOUR MIND, KOmmieSKIDS !"

/TO MYSELF: anybody can look well educated...until he has to conjugate a Greek verb...

78 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:58:31am

If, "if" the TRN had any class, any class at all, they would write a piece apologizing to those they have offended, our troops serving overseas in the line of fire.

They would make an "honest" effort to rectify what has happened instead of showing cowardice through an attempt to sweep this under the rug.

I would say, "shame on you, TRN, but since evidently they have none, what would be the point?

79 bulwrk  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:58:31am

re: #36 Ginn

Okay, here's my question? How has TRN survived this long?

Can you say cockroach,I knew you could.

80 Dustyvet  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:58:51am

re: #68 JammieWearingFool

Actually, this took longer than I expected, yet it was inevitable.

Ex-Clinton Official Ties Minneapolis Bridge Collapse To Global Warming.

Hat tip: Rush.

In the word's of one of my former NCO's

"ARE YOU SH***** ME!"

81 Lone_Oregon_Conservative  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:58:58am

Still nothing on this at "Media Matters" They were quick to try and discredit the Weekly Standard article, but have failed to report Beauchamp's confession. Anyone surprised?

82 paxnhymn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:59:15am

re: #68 JammieWearingFool


...and the coins keep clinking into the coffers...

Get your carbon credits here! Come one come all! (channeling circus barker)....


(sigh)

83 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:59:22am

re: #69 SeafoodGumbo

re: #14 Ginn

Journalism scandals in the United States

Hey Gumbo, I noticed something about the dates. Did you?

84 pingjockey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:59:49am

re: #66 Ginn No one in any service that i know of would ever do anything so low as this. and if they did numerous people would have "adjusted" their attitudes damn quick and probably got a commendation letter out of it.

85 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:59:53am

re: #75 Shug

re: #74 Charles

your green is extra green today.


He looks minty fresh.

86 vxbush  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:00:20am

re: #77 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #59 vxbush

I don't know, I this moment I am far from my Greek dictionary, grammars etc....

"CHANGE YOUR MIND, KOmmieSKIDS !"

/TO MYSELF: anybody can look well educated...until he has to conjugate a Greek verb...

Eh, that's the truth. I have a Greek Expositor's commentary on the NT that always makes me feel like a complete idiot.

Back on topic: that list of fakery from Wikipedia is amazing, and both sides of the aisle need to look at that list closely and learn.

87 Shug  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:00:30am

re: #80 Dustyvet


cold winters, however, are magnificent for steel and concrete.
and salt trucks never ever cause corrosion


plus, all those SUV's on the bridge.
if lighter, hybrid vehicles had been on the brider----no collapse!

88 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:00:36am

I think that Beaupeep should be sent home and put on some duty where he has zero chance of getting hurt. Can you imagine the hue and cry that would erupt if he were to get killed in Iraq?

89 huxley  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:01:52am

TNR still has their editorial statement up on the web.
[Link: www.tnr.com...]

Check the comments. Needless to say, some STB defenders are going for the option that STB falsely recanted.

90 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:02:04am

#74 Charles

the article appears to be in a sort of limbo at the site

Definitely, Charles is in the Lizard Ship and he has trapped TNR in a sphere of energy, with the help of the Great Lizards from the Great Void Outside.

/I am translating for the Young Lizards...

91 jcm  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:02:08am

re: #75 Shug

re: #74 Charles

your green is extra green today.

He bought carbon offsets from the Goracle to offset his travel.
/sarc

92 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:02:15am

re: #88 MandyManners

I doubt he is allowed to do anything now. I am positive they would have taken him off of patrol's and other combat duty. That guy is cleaning up poop and washing dishes.

93 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:02:30am

re: #69 SeafoodGumboThat comes off as a brief outline of all the journalistic malfeasance which occurs daily in this country.

Whatever the case, I'm sure Bush and global warming are responsible.

94 Shug  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:02:30am

re: #88 MandyManners

I think that Beaupeep should be sent home and put on some duty where he has zero chance of getting hurt. Can you imagine the hue and cry that would erupt if he were to get killed in Iraq?


Beauchamp lied, Beauchamp died?

95 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:02:36am

I suppose the "Shock Troop's" piece was TRN's attempt at showing their patriotism. Eh?

96 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:02:49am

re: #69 SeafoodGumbo
I did notice that out of the 50+ scandals listed only one pointed to Fox News and it was about comments made by one of the political reporters, which he shouldn't have made. I don't know about you but that pretty much cements who you should get your news from.

97 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:02:49am

re: #68 JammieWearingFool

Actually, this took longer than I expected, yet it was inevitable.

Ex-Clinton Official Ties Minneapolis Bridge Collapse To Global Warming.

Hat tip: Rush.

Was the Utah mine collapse caused by global "warming"?

98 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:03:11am

Looks like a job for STINKY BEAUMONT!

-s-

99 Harry Tuttle  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:03:16am

The wide wide world of web aint the same without Charles around.

Who told him he could leave anyway?

100 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:03:21am

I nominate TNR and/or Beauchamp/Thomas for the next round of Fiskies!

101 rasachema  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:03:33am

HE CAN RUN, BUT HE CAN'T HIDE.

102 Dustyvet[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:03:34am
103 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:03:48am

re: #86 vxbush

re: #77 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #59 vxbush

I don't know, I this moment I am far from my Greek dictionary, grammars etc....

"CHANGE YOUR MIND, KOmmieSKIDS !"

/TO MYSELF: anybody can look well educated...until he has to conjugate a Greek verb...

Eh, that's the truth. I have a Greek Expositor's commentary on the NT that always makes me feel like a complete idiot.

Back on topic: that list of fakery from Wikipedia is amazing, and both sides of the aisle need to look at that list closely and learn.

Hey, VX... I know who's the Fakeist? Wikki... or TRN?

104 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:04:03am

More proof the left-wingers with an agenda never have to say they are sorry.

105 easy  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:04:25am

re: #54 Ginn

And while we laugh.. here is an excerpt from "Shock Troops"


Like I keep saying, his stories not only don't ring true, they are stupid.

106 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:04:27am

I'm sure Beechump will be discharged in time for his keynote address at the Democrat Convention in 2008.

107 vxbush  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:04:54am

re: #102 Dustyvet

Eh, that's over the line, sir. You're casting a poor shadow on Charles.

108 RTLM  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:04:58am

I want a list of TNR advertisers. This rag is a collective lair and a fraud.

And Beauchamp needs to be taken out of the war theater now. I wouldn't have him anywhere near me on any patrol if I were a soldier.

If I'm right, he's in for more than just a an admin discharge. Scumbag.

109 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:05:01am

re: #92 willtay73

Something could still happen to him. He could slip on a bar of soap and die from a brain injury and the moonbats would claim that the soap was a Rovian bar.

110 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:05:37am

#86 VXBush

Eh, that's the truth. I have a Greek Expositor's commentary on the NT that always makes me feel like a complete idiot.

Those are the only books that are worth reading/studying...

I know that VERY well...


:-)

/any troll using these exchanges to call us names will be subject to "death through German quotation (from Karl Marx)".

111 pingjockey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:05:38am

re: #92 willtay73He'll be damn lucky if all he's doing is cleaning heads and kp duty. His nco's will have him on the worst shit details they can think up. I'm a retired e-6 navy and we can be darn inventive when it comes to dealing with problem children!

112 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:05:42am

re: #102 Dustyvet

Just keep him safe.

113 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:05:46am

MM,

Was the Utah mine collapse caused by global "warming"?

That was caused by global shifting.

Rove handles that.

114 Iron Fist  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:05:57am

re: #64 Ben Hur,

So the article is incorrect? Why am I not surprised? The gist of the article, i.e. forced removal of Jewish people from Hebron, is true? If so, it still seems very close to the policy in Gaza that, I think we all agree on now, was an unmitigated disaster.

115 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:05:59am

re: #107 vxbush

re: #102 Dustyvet

Eh, that's over the line, sir. You're casting a poor shadow on Charles.


It may be cruel to the polar bears but I ain't so sure it was over the line.

116 vxbush  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:06:06am

re: #103 Ginn

Hey, VX... I know who's the Fakeist? Wikki... or TRN?

I think any of us, in our zeal, could fake stuff. It takes a great deal of intestinal fortitude and integrity to stay above these tactics.

117 maddogg  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:06:21am

Leftards have no honor. Thats why they have to endure humiliation after humiliation. The situation is made bearable for them because they don't understand the concept of honor, or shame, and therefore feel no honor or shame, and are thus able to repeat the same stupidity over and over.

118 Dustyvet  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:06:33am

re: #107 vxbush

re: #102 Dustyvet

Eh, that's over the line, sir. You're casting a poor shadow on Charles.


Sorry bout that...soak him in Grain and let the hampsters have him?

119 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:06:45am

re: #94 Shug

The moonbats will never admit he lied.

120 LoneSome Journey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:06:47am

Question: Will tnr hold a position open for beauchamp when he is discharged? I would also question whether beauchamp and tnr had a tacit agreement for him to "enlist" and then submit his articles about such actions as those his articles contained? Unable to find any such behavior, beauchamp and trn then chose to "create" the situations.

121 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:06:55am

re: #83 Ginn

re: #69 SeafoodGumbo

re: #14 Ginn

Journalism scandals in the United States

Hey Gumbo, I noticed something about the dates. Did you?

That there's more recently? I think that is just because the Intranut is now there and scandals can be exposed, and that exposure can be shown quickly to a lot of people. I'd imagine that journalists/scumsuckers have been pulling these same tricks for a long time. Now we can catch them and do something about it.

122 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:07:17am

re: #109 MandyManners

re: #92 willtay73

Something could still happen to him. He could slip on a bar of soap and die from a brain injury and the moonbats would claim that the soap was a Rovian bar.

No doubt about that. Just look how they still defend this whole thing and have some how convinced themselves that Scott is still telling the truth and he only recanted because he was going to face a harsher penalty.

Nothing like saying, "Hey, don't worry about your morals, values, and what the truth is. Just roll over and recant if you can't handle the heat." And these people represent about half of the voters in the country.

123 vxbush  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:07:21am

re: #110 Poitiers-Lepanto

any troll using these exchanges to call us names will be subject to "death through German quotation (from Karl Marx)".

LOL!

124 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:07:54am

re: #97 MandyManners

No, that was because President Bush doesn't care about miners.

/

125 jcm  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:08:04am

re: #80 Dustyvet

re: #68 JammieWearingFool

Actually, this took longer than I expected, yet it was inevitable.

Ex-Clinton Official Ties Minneapolis Bridge Collapse To Global Warming.

Hat tip: Rush.

In the word's of one of my former NCO's

"ARE YOU SH***** ME!"

If I was feeling energetic (which I am not) I pull out the equations to calculated the delta of thermal expansion of steel from 305 K to 310 K.

But I won't because the delta is not significant.

126 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:08:07am

re: #105 easy

re: #54 Ginn


And while we laugh.. here is an excerpt from "Shock Troops"

Like I keep saying, his stories not only don't ring true, they are stupid.

They were more than stupid. They were foul and dishonest.

Even worse, TRN perpetuated them and now refuses to take any responsibility. Like a child they've chosen to pull the covers over their head until this "storm" blows over.

127 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:08:09am

re: #111 pingjockey

re: #92 willtay73He'll be damn lucky if all he's doing is cleaning heads and kp duty. His nco's will have him on the worst shit details they can think up. I'm a retired e-6 navy and we can be darn inventive when it comes to dealing with problem children!

No doubt on that either. I am a former CPL (pissed off because I couldn't make the points for SGT) so I know what you are talking about.

128 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:08:37am

re: #113 JammieWearingFool

Rove, you magnificent bastard!

129 squarepeg  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:08:53am

re: #16 EtNorskTroll

God save me from ever having to mourn my murdered kid/niece/nephew/cousin/whatever.

Then I clicked that James Harvey link and watched another sad video about a man's kid being killed. Yo, Hillary, he called on parents to take responsibility . . . nothing about a village.

130 JeffinSac  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:09:12am

Anyone else notice you now need to be a paid subsciber to read any articles on the site now?

131 Sizzlack  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:09:16am

total silence on the issue at Kos...obviously to be expected

132 easy  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:09:21am

re: #68 JammieWearingFool

Melissa Hortman of the Minnesota House of Representatives "speculated that 90-plus-degree heat Wednesday and the above-normal temperatures of the past two summers may have been a contributing factor," and said "You wonder if this bridge was built to withstand the massive heat we have had this summer." Or even if it was built to withstand heat, whether its structural deficiencies undermined the design integrity to a point where heat contributed to the collapse.


While fire does melt steel, it does have to get a bit higher than a massive 90 F

133 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:09:28am

re: #93 JammieWearingFool

re: #69 SeafoodGumboThat comes off as a brief outline of all the journalistic malfeasance which occurs daily in this country.

Whatever the case, I'm sure Bush and global warming are responsible.

I'm sure trans-fat is to blame somewhat.

134 Dustyvet  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:09:36am

re: #123 vxbush

re: #110 Poitiers-Lepanto


any troll using these exchanges to call us names will be subject to "death through German quotation (from Karl Marx)".

LOL!

Charles should install a new game over in the corner "Wack a Troll" so the hampsters have something to do in their off duty time:)

135 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:09:53am

re: #124 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #97 MandyManners

No, that was because President Bush doesn't care about miners.

/

Bush caused the mine to collapse. I wonder how long this will take.

136 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:09:55am

What sense does it make for TNR to scrub the site of Beauchamp's stuff now? Why no word from the grand poohbahs at TNR? Are they trying to sort out who has to commit seppuku to make this go away?

Lots of questions. Not many answers. BTW, I'm finding the TNR site timing out - probably because everyone is trying to find whether it's indeed been scrubbed.

More thoughts here.

137 Shug  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:10:19am

re: #124 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #97 MandyManners

No, that was because President Bush doesn't care about miners.

/

George Bush Doesn't care about Black Lung people

/kanye off

138 LoneSome Journey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:10:24am
Ex-Clinton Official Ties Minneapolis Bridge Collapse To Global Warming

.

Bush ties Minneapolis Bridge Collapse to Empty Headed Politicans who make such statements.

139 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:10:54am

Well obviously not everybody at TNR went on vacation.

140 realwest  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:10:56am

Sorry y'all but haven't had time to read the thread. What is it that Charles is saying here: that the "Shock Troops" articles written by that POS are no longer on TNR? NONE of 'em?!

141 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:11:15am

re: #122 willtay73

No, they don't represent 50 per cent of Americans. You're giving the moonbats more power than they have because they're vocal and have the media dancing to their tune.

142 xtraBilly  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:11:17am
...virtual Clinton think tank ...

Huh,what be that?

143 billhedrick  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:11:18am

We have always been at war with Oceania

144 Geepers  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:11:37am

MandyManners (#119),

The moonbats will never admit he lied.

They're in a sticky situation on this one.

Did he tell the truth to TNR?

Did he tell the truth to the Army investigators?

You can't answer yes to both those questions.

145 brent  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:11:51am

And The New Republic holds itself up as a paragon of the enlightened, intellectual center-left.

It's utterly pathetic what they've become. what they are.

There, that's better.

146 Shug  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:11:58am

re: #142 xtraBilly

...virtual Clinton think tank ...

Huh,what be that?


and we know what they think with..............

147 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:12:02am

re: #124 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

How could I forget!

148 Kirly  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:12:40am

re: #66 Ginn

Why? because he's a sick, twisted little fuck that hates himself and his own culture and way of life so much that he wanted his country to be so humiliated and denigrated that they'd pull out of iraq and leave the iraqis to be slaughtered at the hands of the terrorist thugs. despicable!

149 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:12:47am

re: #144 Geepers

MandyManners (#119),

The moonbats will never admit he lied.

They're in a sticky situation on this one.

Did he tell the truth to TNR?

Did he tell the truth to the Army investigators?

You can't answer yes to both those questions.

Actually, he could claim that he was telling the truth from a certain point of view. /martin blank's code of moral flexibility

150 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:13:06am

Good news. We'll soon have Maureen Dowd to kick around again. The bourbon-soaked lush and the rest of the incoherent hacks at the NY Times will soon return fromInternet Siberia behind the pay-per-view walls of TimesSelect.

MoDo, Krugman Freed From Obscurity

Sure these morons are intellectually and morally bankrupt, but they provide so much easy material.

Drinks are on MoDo. Literally.

151 realwest  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:13:08am

re: #132 easy But I thought fire doens't melt steel?
//troofer mode here.

152 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:13:12am

re: #96 Just_A_Grunt

re: #69 SeafoodGumbo
I did notice that out of the 50+ scandals listed only one pointed to Fox News and it was about comments made by one of the political reporters, which he shouldn't have made. I don't know about you but that pretty much cements who you should get your news from.

To be honest, I think Fox sucks also, just not as bad as the leftist alphabet soup networks. I mean, Fox has Geraldo, Wesley Clarke, Bill O'Reilly, Greta von Skully, Colmes, Shemp Smith, etc.

They need to keep Brit Hume, Chris Wallace, and a handful of people and start over. They're only a decent network relative to the abominable ANCBSMSNBC juggernaut.

153 scottthecanuck  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:13:37am

re: #74 Charles

Obviously a Clintonesque move, pull the story without actually pulling the story, allows double edged plausible deniability.

154 jill e  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:13:59am

Yesterday upon the stair
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today
Oh how I wish he'd go away.
—William Hughes Mearns

155 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:14:11am

re: #135 willtay73

Give the moonbats time.... They play some sort of sick 7 degrees of separation to eventually blame Bush for everything.

Case in point: If Michael Moore's car wouldn't start this morning, he'd begin working on a documentary showing how Bush has destroyed the auto industry.

156 billhedrick  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:14:14am

Global Warming? Actually that would make the freeze-thaw cycle in Minnesota less of a problem for highways and bridges. If it were true. Minnesota has not been noticeably warmer in the summers, though the winters have seemed more temperate, -20 f instead of -30 f.

157 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:14:29am

re: #136 lawhawk

What sense does it make for TNR to scrub the site of Beauchamp's stuff now? Why no word from the grand poohbahs at TNR? Are they trying to sort out who has to commit seppuku to make this go away?

Lots of questions. Not many answers. BTW, I'm finding the TNR site timing out - probably because everyone is trying to find whether it's indeed been scrubbed.

More thoughts here.

Law..

Perhaps they are trying to sort out who to fire to make this go away. This won't change much. In their zeal to be hip and Liberal they drove the legacy of what was a fine periodical established almost a century ago and drove it's reputation into the ground.

It would be very, very simple to turn it around, Law. The public is very forgiving. They need to step up to the plate, hat in hand, eat crow, apologize, and be honest.

158 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:14:36am

If I was in his shoes, you damn right I am going to tell the investigators that I made it up. TNR can't ruin my life nearly as bad as the Army can. It is a grown ups world and there is no time to be tolerating childish behavior. I have no doubt that at some future date once he is a civillian again he will stand up and swear that everything he said was true, but until that day my advice to him to keep his mouth shut, his blog closed and letters home limited to his mom and dad.

159 xtraBilly  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:14:44am

re: #146 Shug

Would the virtual think tank crank out something like "I did not virtually have sex with that women"

160 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:14:46am

re: #150 JammieWearingFool

It never made sense for hiding opinionists behind the pay to read wall. Everyone has an opinion. Not everyone can get news archives like the NYT. Not everyone can run news as quick as the NYT. Opinion was the option least likely to succeed at being monetized. Yet, that's what Pinch chose. Heh.

161 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:14:57am

re: #143 billhedrick

We have always been at war with Oceania

2+2=5

162 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:15:34am

re: #152 SeafoodGumbo

re: #96 Just_A_Grunt

re: #69 SeafoodGumbo
I did notice that out of the 50+ scandals listed only one pointed to Fox News and it was about comments made by one of the political reporters, which he shouldn't have made. I don't know about you but that pretty much cements who you should get your news from.

To be honest, I think Fox sucks also, just not as bad as the leftist alphabet soup networks. I mean, Fox has Geraldo, Wesley Clarke, Bill O'Reilly, Greta von Skully, Colmes, Shemp Smith, etc.

They need to keep Brit Hume, Chris Wallace, and a handful of people and start over. They're only a decent network relative to the abominable ANCBSMSNBC juggernaut.

The problem is Fox is falling into the trap of being called out as not balanced. In their effort to show balance they mistakenly add too much of one side and forget about the balance. This is an effect from the loud mouth left. If you always have someone screaming in your ear then you will eventually heed to their words. Right or wrong.

163 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:15:41am

re: #144 Geepers

Their tits are in a wringer fer shure.

164 jill e  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:16:03am

What is truth? —Potius Pilate

165 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:16:19am

re: #22 P. Aaron

re: #6 liege


The intertubes sure makes it harder to get away with lies. Thank you, Al Gore for your nifty invention.

Saw on Bumpersticker:
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, but he did invent Global Warming

I want one of those bumper stickers!

166 jill e  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:16:33am

PIMF! Pontius Pilate

167 pingjockey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:16:40am

Any former military legal types out there? Can the army prove that he enlisted under false pretenses to write this vile dreck? Because if you enlist under false pretenses its a court martial offense.

168 FlyingTigress  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:16:58am

Glad to see that the staff at the Recdep at the MiniTrue are not on vacation.

169 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:16:59am

re: #154 jill e

Yesterday upon the stair
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today
Oh how I wish he'd go away. I think he's from the CIA.
—(apologies to) William Hughes Mearns

170 scottthecanuck  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:18:19am

"After much internal debate, Times executives - including publisher Arthur Sulzberger Jr. - made the decision to end the subscription-only TimesSelect service"

Sometimes a picture says it all.

171 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:19:24am

re: #167 pingjockey

That'd be a really tough sell. Although he himself wrote those words, he could refer to the pre-established pattern and claim to be a compulsive liar, thus calling into question the validity of the statement on his blog.

172 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:20:15am

re: #167 pingjockey
I am not a legal type but I believe the storyline is more like this. He always daydreamed about being a writer, and in reading his blog he talks about how he visited a school in Germany to teach some writing classes. Boy meets girl who happens to work for TNR and sees his chance. Mix in a vivid imagination and you have another tale of teenage angst. Boy writes stories to impress girl and fullfill his dreams of being a writer.

173 realwest  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:20:33am

re: #148 Kirly I don't disagree with your assessment, but I gotta tell ya, the very first time I read that, I KNEW he was lying. It's been 30+ years since I was in the Army, but it's inconceivable to me that a troop would say anything remotely like that about a wounded or disfigured by wounds, troop. NEVER. And if it had, I GUARANTEE you that other troops would have forcefully shut him up.

174 FriarsTale  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:20:51am

and, once again, it's
The Scoop Bochamp Story
[Link: cruxy.com...]

aka El(sbeth) Reeve's Tale

[Link: cruxy.com...]

an hilarious albeit short romp through the faux Journalism at TNR

175 bill-tb  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:20:52am

Cut and run, it's the liberal way.

176 Dirk Diggler  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:20:53am

Positively Orwellian. At TNR, 2+2=Foer.

177 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:21:07am

re: #171 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #167 pingjockey

That'd be a really tough sell. Although he himself wrote those words, he could refer to the pre-established pattern and claim to be a compulsive liar, thus calling into question the validity of the statement on his blog.

A "pattern of lying" would mean he likely lied on his enlistment forms, too, which would only strengthen the case against him.

178 Catttt  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:21:31am
179 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:22:23am

re: #148 Kirly

re: #66 Ginn

Why? because he's a sick, twisted little fuck that hates himself and his own culture and way of life so much that he wanted his country to be so humiliated and denigrated that they'd pull out of iraq and leave the iraqis to be slaughtered at the hands of the terrorist thugs. despicable!

I agree in part with you, Kirly. I think this person is wholly self-centered. I don't think he has the capacity to plan anything on such a grand scale. He wanted attention. He couldn't get it other than writing like a middle schooler on the back stall of the Boy's Room.

It was under TRN's aegis that this was published. They had the
responsibility to ensure what they put out was true. It is their reputation as a honest broker of the truth that is on the line.

But now I see they haven't had that reputation for quite some time, especially if they continue to copy their stories off the bathroom stall wall.

180 bulwrk  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:22:25am

re: #142 xtraBilly


...virtual Clinton think tank ...
Huh,what be that?


Clinton think tank

181 realwest  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:23:01am

Sorry for the repeat post folks but, I haven't had time to read the thread. What is it that Charles is saying here: that the "Shock Troops" articles written by that POS are no longer on TNR? Or they are, but simply don't appear in the search function?!

182 paxnhymn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:23:22am

re: #173 realwest

I second that....

183 RTLM  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:23:33am

OT - CAIR Hates Tom Tancredo:
In a statement issued today, CAIR said:

"The Republican candidates and the Department of State are correct in
rejecting threatened attacks on Islamic holy sites as a deterrent to
terrorists.
"Representative Tancredo's extreme and counterproductive proposal to threaten Mecca and Medina fails any reasonable test for strategic
viability. It only serves to further damage our nation's interests and image in the Muslim world and will inevitably be used as rhetorical fodder by extremists. "America's relationship with Islam and Muslims worldwide will be a central issue for the administration of our next president, whoever that may be. "We call on Representative Tancredo to retract his inflammatory statements and to apologize for fanning the flames of international mistrust and hostility. We also urge every other presidential candidate to state how her or his leadership would win back the international support, particularly in the Islamic world, that America has lost in recent years."
184 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:23:54am

What would Walt Whitman say?

185 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:24:18am

re: #133 SeafoodGumbo

re: #93 JammieWearingFool

re: #69 SeafoodGumboThat comes off as a brief outline of all the journalistic malfeasance which occurs daily in this country.

Whatever the case, I'm sure Bush and global warming are responsible.

I'm sure trans-fat is to blame somewhat.

Let's not overlook second-hand smoke, bird flu, West Nile virus, potential hurricanes, Viagra, SUV's, high gas prices, tax cuts for the rich, Alberto Gonzales, hanging chads, Iraq, global cooling, climate change, Fox News Channel, Rupert Murdoch, Dick Cheney, Halliburton, CEO's, talk radio, the military-industrial complex, the CFR, the illuminati, LGF, the paparazzi, crass commercialism, and the rightwing smear machine, without which, none of the aforementioned would have been possible

186 realwest  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:24:20am

re: #179 Ginn Please see my post #173.

187 DngrMse  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:24:37am

I predict there will be a flood of "Fake but accurate" posts on the liblogs today.

188 pingjockey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:24:38am

re: #171 YourTaxDollarsAtWorkOk to paraphrase "i've always been a liar and I'm still lying" in other words totally incapable of telling the truth and you can't bust me for it. That's hosed!

189 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:24:54am

Just to go off topic real quick, check this out.

Simply nutty.

190 Kozak  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:25:37am

Won't be long before he's on a tour of college campuses just like Dan Rather's producer telling us it really was a true, and he's been silenced by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:25:41am

re: #183 RTLM

I see a shit load for CAIR saying what we need to do to improve our image with Muslims, but never seem to hear anything about how Muslims should improve their image with us.

Fuck them and the camel they road in on.

192 Cobra  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:25:59am

re: #181 realwest

Sorry for the repeat post folks but, I haven't had time to read the thread. What is it that Charles is saying here: that the "Shock Troops" articles written by that POS are no longer on TNR? Or they are, but simply don't appear in the search function?!


The latter.

193 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:26:29am

'Shock Troops' - Gone from TNR?

The only shock would have been had the headline read "STILL AT TNR!"

I'd rather be a chickenhawk than a pack of liars, cowards, political hacks and thieves. Oh, and I noted TNR does it's godless, liberal duty to bash Christians like the omnipresent Helen Thomas Michelle Cottle. I can smell her smugness from 1,000 miles away.

194 jcm  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:26:35am

re: #180 bulwrk

re: #142 xtraBilly


...virtual Clinton think tank ...
Huh,what be that?


Clinton think tank

Hey! That's desecrating the Islamic crescent!

195 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:27:14am

re: #160 lawhawkHave they made any good business decisions of late? Shoddy reporting and journalistic perfidy have much to do with their quandary, buit they're not too bright on the business side either, it seems.

196 scottthecanuck  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:27:17am

re: #183 RTLM

We also urge every other presidential candidate to state how her or his leadership would win back the international support, particularly in the Islamic world, that America has lost in recent years."

Certainly a question I want to see answered by all candidates. Its time to see just how low the defeatocrats are willing to bow and scrape in an effort to win back this imagined support.

197 realwest  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:27:18am

re: #192 Cobra Ah, thank you. Wonder why TNR would keep the articles but delete them from the search feature?

198 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:27:23am

re: #177 victor_yugo

True. But "Enlisted under false pretenses" is one of the more serious charges he could be facing. It is also one of the more difficult to prove. Unless he breaks down and tells the investigators that the only reason he joined was to fuel his writing career, and he knew up front he was not going to faithfully fulfill his enlistment oath, there may be no way to make that charge stick.

199 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:28:14am
200 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:28:29am

The interesting thing to me about the journalism scandals is that you can pretty much divide most of them into two categories: those that were perpetrated to advance the writer's career and those that were intended to further an agenda. Scott Beauchamp has the distinction of combining both, an exercise in mendacity matched only by a few, such as Walter Duranty. Obviously he hasn't done a fraction of the damage Duranty did, but he sure did his darnedest.

201 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:28:51am

OT:

FOMC policy statement in 45 minutes.

/Let the madness begin.

202 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:29:18am

re: #189 willtay73That's par for the course on the NYC Council.

203 Arbalest  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:29:21am

What, the TNR piece “Shock Troops” has turned out to be a fraud?

Scott Thomas Beauchamp apparently recanted virtually all of it, with a signed affy-davy (wonder if it’s as good as Long John Silver’s) to the U.S. Army on Day One.

Did he not stand up to The Man for at least 5 minutes? Did he not free our minds? Did he not speak Truth to Power? (well, apparently he wasn’t speaking the truth at all).

Say it ain’t so.


In other news, there are apparently some (Rick Moran, as per Ace) who imply the “Decloaking of Beauchamp" might have been a victory in Iraq.

No, what the “Decloakig” truly is, is this: simply a victory against the Left’s War of Spin, Deceit and Lies against the American Public, intended to get the American Public to do as the Left desires.


The Left is being caught, and a bit too frequently.

Most of their stuff is either inarticulate (i.e. crude, insulting, etc.), elitist (and contorted almost to the point of incomprehensibility), or known to have already failed, miserably, and cost many millions of lives (in many separate lands).

Now they have a real and public credibility problem; is what they write true or false? If false, why should their policies be accepted and followed? Do we need more dead?


How will this be spun? Will all of the politbureau members mighty editors write and publish, in good Maoist form, a public admission of their guilt?

It will be interesting to see who survives the purge vacation at TNR.

204 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:29:22am

re: #188 pingjockey

You nailed it.

205 thebigolddog  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:30:05am

Found it. If you use Google's site search it comes up:

[Link: www.tnr.com...]

206 paxnhymn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:30:12am

re: #194 jcm


no...that's putting it in it's rightful place!

207 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:30:23am

re: #202 JammieWearingFool

re: #189 willtay73That's par for the course on the NYC Council.

I guess what I don't get is how any American could possibly vote for a candidate that would even think of banning words. I think that is the definition of UnAmerican.

208 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:30:42am

re: #185 JammieWearingFool

Whewww. That list wore me out.

209 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:30:48am

re: #162 willtay73

The problem is Fox is falling into the trap of being called out as not balanced. In their effort to show balance they mistakenly add too much of one side and forget about the balance. This is an effect from the loud mouth left. If you always have someone screaming in your ear then you will eventually heed to their words. Right or wrong.

Fox is not conservative. They are tabloid-populist.

210 easy  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:31:04am

re: #185 JammieWearingFool

You forgot CFC's, oh and continential drift.

211 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:31:10am

The only two things left that I really want to know about this terminally dead horse are these...

1. Is Scotty B's girlfriend still his girlfriend, or has he just not gotten the Dear John yet?

2. Is Scotty B's girfriend unemployed?

Inquiriing minds must know these things.

212 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:31:11am

re: #189 willtay73

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213 pat  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:31:35am

#66 Ginn
Why?

Because that is how John Kerry became Senator. Scott has ambition, just no originality.

214 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:31:55am

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

re: #185 JammieWearingFool

You left out brain-cancer-causing cell phones and carcinogenic magnetic field from power lines.

I just got the list started. Others may feel free to embellish. I'm sure by the time another post is up, we could have a thousand excuses.

215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:32:03am

OT:

Remember this:

On Capitol Hill, some Democrats are blaming a lack of money for maintaining the nation's infrastructure on the war in Iraq.

Congresswoman Louise Slaughter of New York says victims of the bridge collapse in Minnesota are "almost victims of war." She says a nation "in perpetual war" doesn't have the money to pay for its road and bridge needs.

No money for roads or bridges, huh? But what about Stadiums?

On April 26 2005, the Twins and Hennepin County announced that a deal had been reached, in which the Twins would pay roughly 1/3 of the stadium's cost ($125 million), with the rest being paid for by a 0.15% Hennepin County sales tax. The deal would need to be approved by the Hennepin County Board. After delaying the vote one week, on May 3 the Board voted 4-3 in favor of the stadium deal, with the vote falling entirely along gender lines (men supporting). Minneapolis mayor R.T. Rybak (DFL) had already weighed in favor of the stadium, a move said to hurt his bid for the party's endorsement for re-election. The plan passed its second hurdle on May 9, 2005 when a House committee of the Minnesota Legislature approved a bill to get around the referendum to be sent to the floor on a 17-5 vote. This legislation languished before the full Legislature, during a particularly gridlocked session, and was placed on the back burner, pending resolution of "more pressing" legislation. Naming rights belong to the Minnesota Twins.

In the 2006 session, the Minnesota House of Representatives passed the bill that would allow the team and county to go around the referendum. The Minnesota Senate also passed a version of the bill, but their version would also build a stadium for the Minnesota Vikings and fund transit projects. The two bills spent most of the legislative session in conference committee. The bill was passed by a 71-61 vote in the House and a 34-32 vote in the Senate. A ballot referendum, called for by many Hennepin County residents, was deemed infeasible due to the time-critical nature of the bill (a referendum would have to wait until the November general election, while dates for the Twins to play in the Metrodome in 2007 needed to be applied for by July 1). The ballpark is scheduled to be open for the 2010 baseball season, the Twins' 50th season in Minnesota. The final bill was approved on May 21 and was signed by governor Tim Pawlenty before the Twins' May 26 home game against the Seattle Mariners. The final version is substantially identical to the House version, with language relating to both the transit tax and the Vikings stadium stripped.

So the local and state government were able to find the millions of dollars needed to build a baseball stadium, but its till going to be the Fed's fault the bridge collapsed.

216 Iron Fist  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:32:18am

re: #183 RTLM,

I would think that the opposite is true: it should be the goal of the Islamic Community to regain the trust lost that Islamic Terrorism has caused in the past 30+ years, especially the trust lost due to 9-11 and subsequent acts of Islamic Terrorism.

You see, we can nuke them. I don't see them as giving us any compelling reason not to.

217 Shug  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:32:31am

re: #194 jcm

re: #180 bulwrk


re: #142 xtraBilly


...virtual Clinton think tank ...
Huh,what be that?


HATE CRIME ! HATE CRIME !

Clinton think tank


Hey! That's desecrating the Islamic crescent!
218 bulwrk  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:32:32am

re: #194 jcm

Maybe old mo was droppin a duece one day and thats were he got the idea for the crescent of islam.

219 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:32:44am

re: #212 MandyManners

re: #189 willtay73

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220 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:33:05am
221 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:33:08am

re: #173 realwest

re: #148 Kirly I don't disagree with your assessment, but I gotta tell ya, the very first time I read that, I KNEW he was lying. It's been 30+ years since I was in the Army, but it's inconceivable to me that a troop would say anything remotely like that about a wounded or disfigured by wounds, troop. NEVER. And if it had, I GUARANTEE you that other troops would have forcefully shut him up.

Realwest,

I knew he was lying too. How come TRN didn't?

222 RTLM  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:33:17am

re: #196 scottthecanuck Problem is that I read the obligatory "I'm Horrified" statements form most other Repub candidates. Just falling in line, they are.

223 just another four-letter word  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:33:22am

re: #77 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #59 vxbush

I don't know, I this moment I am far from my Greek dictionary, grammars etc....

"CHANGE YOUR MIND, KOmmieSKIDS !"

/TO MYSELF: anybody can look well educated...until he has to conjugate a Greek verb...

Oh, I dunno, P-L... MY definition of well-educated is somebody that can do Laplace or Fourier transforms. Rutherford could do 'em in his head!

But that's my humble opinion. I'm just a dumb Engineer... :)

JAFLW

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225 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:33:32am

re: #198 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #177 victor_yugo

True. But "Enlisted under false pretenses" is one of the more serious charges he could be facing. It is also one of the more difficult to prove. Unless he breaks down and tells the investigators that the only reason he joined was to fuel his writing career, and he knew up front he was not going to faithfully fulfill his enlistment oath, there may be no way to make that charge stick.

I really doubt that would qualify as enlisting under false pretenses. The worst thing you could say in that regard is that Beauchamp thinks he's Norman Mailer. My son enlisted in the Navy (he leaves next month) and he ultimately wants a career writing in television. Is it enlisting under false pretenses if he uses his experience in his writing?

226 xtraBilly  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:33:37am

re: #210 easy

re: #185 JammieWearingFool

You forgot CFC's, oh and continential drift.

and hanging chads.

227 BeyondBrooklyn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:33:38am

This is interesting...

[Link: www.nysun.com...]

If anyone has been following the Khalil Gibran International School (of Jihad) check out the above link. Apparently, the principal was quoted taking a "soft-stance" on the use of the word infitada on T-shirts. It's use, according to the principal, is not an "endorsement of violence." Rather, it happens to be about "shaking off oppression." She has now retracted the statement; however, the timing of the retraction (right after her tenuous support base for the school began to question the prudence of their support) is suspect. As with all examples of the absurd, we are not without a heavy dose of irony - one of her continuing supporters is an idiot rabbi in Park Slope (one of Brooklyn's most liberal enclaves).

228 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:34:02am

re: #213 pat

#66 Ginn
Why?

Because that is how John Kerry became Senator. Scott has ambition, just no originality.

Scott has no Ted Kennedy nor a first wife who was worth 500 million back in the early seventies.

So sad.

229 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:34:09am

This is way OT but hilarious. I wrote an email to harry Reid back during the amnesty debacle expressing my feelings about it. No, I don't have a copy of the original email since it was sent using the email service provided by the congress. Well I got a response.

Mr. Patrick Henry
1 Main St
Reno, Nevada 89501
Dear Mr. Henry:
Thank you for contacting me to express your support for the Mail Delivery Protection Act (S. 1457). I appreciate hearing from you.
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) introduced the Mail Delivery Protection Act on May 23, 2007. This legislation would limit the ability of the United States Postal Service (USPS) to use contract delivery services for non-rural routes. Specifically, it would prohibit contracting out delivery on any route with more than one delivery per mile. The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee is currently reviewing this measure.
This legislation is a result of reported increases in the Postal Service's use of their Contract Delivery Service. As you may know, Contract Delivery Service is a contractual agreement between USPS and an individual or company for the delivery and collection of mail on specified new routes. I remain deeply concerned about potential efforts to expand outsourcing of postal functions and the effects this would likely have on the postal workforce and our nation's mail system. I am aware that career carriers typically receive solid middle-class wages, health insurance and adequate pension protection. Contract carrier employees, on the other hand, often receive a low hourly-wage without benefits. I am also concerned about the safety and security of our mail system. The public's trust in career letter carriers is an essential business asset of the Postal Service.
In June, members of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee requested the Government Accountability Office to study several claims made by the Postal Service about postal outsourcing, including the Contract Delivery Service. I look forward to the results of this report. In the meantime, please be assured that I keep your concerns in mind should I have the opportunity to review S. 1457 or related legislation on this matter.
Again, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me. For more information about my work for Nevada, my role in the United States Senate Leadership, or to subscribe to regular e-mail updates on the issues that interest you, please visit my Web site at [Link: reid.senate.gov....] I look forward to hearing from you in the near future.
My best wishes to you.
Sincerely,
A
HARRY REID
United States Senator


/names have been changed to protect the INNOCENT

230 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:34:30am
231 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:34:33am

re: #221 Ginn

re: #173 realwest

re: #148 Kirly I don't disagree with your assessment, but I gotta tell ya, the very first time I read that, I KNEW he was lying. It's been 30+ years since I was in the Army, but it's inconceivable to me that a troop would say anything remotely like that about a wounded or disfigured by wounds, troop. NEVER. And if it had, I GUARANTEE you that other troops would have forcefully shut him up.

Realwest,

I knew he was lying too. How come TRN didn't?

They wanted to believe the story. The story pushes an agenda and TNR will happily use it to persuade the civilian population that their military is full of nasty people.

232 paxnhymn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:34:57am

re: #207 willtay73

yep. wait...next....books.(certain kinds first of course), then certain kinds of music...then ....VOILA! INSTANT SHARIA! and Mo will not have fired a shot......all they will have to do is walk in and take the helm!

233 EL Rider  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:35:03am

The Big Lie, ahem, never happened. Those folks are pathetic.

234 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:35:16am

Re: Scott Beauchamp

I can't wait to see O'Reilly rip into TRN!

/HUGE SARC

235 xtraBilly  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:35:23am

there is no more useless government body in the U.S. today than the NYC Council. There I said it.

236 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:35:46am

OT:
Hillary Clinton helped create "Media Matters". She just admitted it at the yearly KOS convention.

"Media Matters" are paid left-wing punks operatives who sit and listen to talk radio on behalf of Ms. Clinton. They sit and wait for someone to commit a "thought crime" or a politically incorrect statement, or a mind crime, or an-anti-progressive anti-collectivist slur.

Don Imus was targeted because Don Imus worked for CBS affiliate. You cannot be allowed to work for the DNC media and say anything bad about a precious and holy democrat. Don was hard (mean and nasty) towards tow bid democrats: John Kerry and Hillary. Not allowed.
That is the real reason Don Imus was fired.

Here is her quote at Y-KOS

HILLARY:

"We are certainly better prepared and more focused on, you know, taking our arguments and making them effective and disseminating them widely and really putting together a network in the blogosphere, in a lot of the new progressive infrastructure, institutions that I helped to start and support, like Media Matters and Center for American Progress. We're beginning to match what I have said for years was the advantage of the other side. You know, when I made that comment, about the vast right-wing conspiracy, I wasn't kidding."
237 Mr. Bingley  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:36:26am

Shock Troops is linked off of their 'statement on scott thomas' mea schmucka.

238 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:36:39am

re: #232 paxnhymn

re: #207 willtay73

yep. wait...next....books.(certain kinds first of course), then certain kinds of music...then ....VOILA! INSTANT SHARIA! and Mo will not have fired a shot......all they will have to do is walk in and take the helm!

I fear that day but I will do everything I possibly can to prevent it.

239 Iron Fist  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:36:52am

re: #197 realwest,

That is the real question. I don't know how they have their search function coded, but if it is the standard way that these things are usually written, it would be a big effort to get it to just ignore articles that are in place. Usually, a key word search just looks at the words as they are written, sometimes it is case sensitive, sometimes not (it can be either). They could have an "ignore" flag in their database so that they can mark articles that they don't want searched, but that would mean that they thought of this type of problem when they were designing their database.

It is puzzling.

240 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:36:54am

re: #236 FrogMarch


PIMF: "tow bid" - "two big"

241 republic  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:37:01am

The left is never accountable for their dishonesty, they just move on, and hope it leaves peoples memories, or they don't even care at all about their dishonesty, and the fact that they are often caught in it.

The lefts favorite belief,

"evil is the victim of Good"

242 Mr. Bingley  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:37:10am

as is the "dead of night" story.

243 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:37:19am

re: #226 xtraBilly

re: #210 easy

re: #185 JammieWearingFool

You forgot CFC's, oh and continential drift.

and hanging chads.

Hanging chads were in there.

244 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:37:50am

re: #241 republic

Well, they meant well, and thats the important thing, right?

/sarc

245 bulwrk  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:37:51am

Wich woud make the outhouse the 267,343rd most holy site in islam.

246 jcm  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:38:35am

re: #206 paxnhymn

re: #194 jcm


no...that's putting it in it's rightful place!

Remember this?

247 easy  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:38:53am

re: #220 buzzsawmonkey

re: #189 willtay73

I notice that the Councilmember pushing this proposal is one Darlene Mealy, of Brooklyn.

How appropriate that Mealy should be advocating mealymouthed speech.


I had a friend who enjoyed words almost as mush as you. You could see on his face when he discovered a pun. It's a joy.

248 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:39:16am
249 just another four-letter word  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:39:17am

re: #125 jcm

re: #80 Dustyvet


re: #68 JammieWearingFool

Actually, this took longer than I expected, yet it was inevitable.

Ex-Clinton Official Ties Minneapolis Bridge Collapse To Global Warming.

Hat tip: Rush.


In the word's of one of my former NCO's

"ARE YOU SH***** ME!"


If I was feeling energetic (which I am not) I pull out the equations to calculated the delta of thermal expansion of steel from 305 K to 310 K.

But I won't because the delta is not significant.


Oh, c'mon, start at 293.16K and go from there!

JAFLW

/It's still not significant, moonbats!

250 republic  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:39:41am

re: #233 EL Rider

The Big Lie, ahem, never happened. Those folks are pathetic.

What is the old saying,

"A lie can get half way around the world before the truth even gets its pants on."

That phrase was coined when there were very few leftist kooks around, now, it's a full time job trying to keep up with the dishonesty of most of the left, inculding the world leftists.

251 bulwrk  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:39:51am

re: #245 bulwrk

pimf

252 xtraBilly  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:39:59am

re: #243 JammieWearingFool

re: #226 xtraBilly


re: #210 easy

re: #185 JammieWearingFool

You forgot CFC's, oh and continential drift.


and hanging chads.

Hanging chads were in there.

Dang ! You guys are too thorough.

253 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:40:11am

Stephen Spruiell at The Corner

f the perspective in the Western media were not totally skewed the other way, perhaps we'd see our aspiring writers rushing to Iraq to make up stories about Al-Qaeda brutality. Then again, one hardly lacks real examples.

And the bizarro world New York Times would be exposing the enemy's secret programs, rather than our own...

(H/T Instapundit)

254 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:40:41am

re: #231 willtay73

re: #221 Ginn

re: #173 realwest
re: #148 Kirly I don't disagree with your assessment, but I gotta tell ya, the very first time I read that, I KNEW he was lying. It's been 30+ years since I was in the Army, but it's inconceivable to me that a troop would say anything remotely like that about a wounded or disfigured by wounds, troop. NEVER. And if it had, I GUARANTEE you that other troops would have forcefully shut him up.
Realwest,

I knew he was lying too. How come TRN didn't?

They wanted to believe the story. The story pushes an agenda and TNR will happily use it to persuade the civilian population that their military is full of nasty people.

I wanted to believe that my last love was a good guy. It bit me in the ass. But I wasn't a supposed news opinion periodical like TRN whose goal is to push agendas.

I bet you anything TRN will survive this and carry on as if nothing ever happened.

255 paxnhymn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:41:03am

re: #246 jcm

re: #206 paxnhymn


re: #194 jcm


no...that's putting it in it's rightful place!


Remember this?


yeah...why? I meant as in "the toilet"...

256 savage_nation[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:41:30am
257 jcm  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:41:36am

re: #246 jcm

re: #206 paxnhymn

re: #194 jcm


no...that's putting it in it's rightful place!

Remember this?

The linky no worky? Okay, old school.
Remember this?
[Link: george.loper.org...]

258 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:41:44am

If you want to truly understand the pervasive danger of socialist thought to our society, you'd be hard-pressed to find a legitimate example more frightening than this one. This is the back side of the terror that we are all facing.

Do a Google search for this:
[Link: www.google.com...]

Then, do a Google search for this:
[Link: www.google.com...]

Any question now about what's going on?

259 TimeQuake  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:42:16am

re: #183 RTLM

to state how her or his leadership would win back the international support, particularly in the Islamic world, that America has lost in recent years."


Can't. take. it. today.

AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGG!

260 paxnhymn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:42:31am

re: #257 jcm

Sorry jcm, blocked at work....I hope it was a good one...

261 republic  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:42:56am

re: #236 FrogMarch

OT:
Hillary Clinton helped create "Media Matters". She just admitted it at the yearly KOS convention.

"Media Matters" are paid left-wing punks operatives who sit and listen to talk radio on behalf of Ms. Clinton. They sit and wait for someone to commit a "thought crime" or a politically incorrect statement, or a mind crime, or an-anti-progressive anti-collectivist slur.

Don Imus was targeted because Don Imus worked for CBS affiliate. You cannot be allowed to work for the DNC media and say anything bad about a precious and holy democrat. Don was hard (mean and nasty) towards tow bid democrats: John Kerry and Hillary. Not allowed.
That is the real reason Don Imus was fired.

Here is her quote at Y-KOS

HILLARY:

"We are certainly better prepared and more focused on, you know, taking our arguments and making them effective and disseminating them widely and really putting together a network in the blogosphere, in a lot of the new progressive infrastructure, institutions that I helped to start and support, like Media Matters and Center for American Progress. We're beginning to match what I have said for years was the advantage of the other side. You know, when I made that comment, about the vast right-wing conspiracy, I wasn't kidding."

I have believed, and said for quite some time, and it is the truth, that the bulk of the msm is leftist Democrat state run msm.

No different than any other totalitarian controled media around the world.

262 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:43:59am

From pretty much the first sentence of Scotty's infamous short story, I knew that lying sack of shit was crapping on anyone who read the story.

It's been a long time since I served, but it doesn't take even much of a brain to see straight out lies like his.

263 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:44:03am

re: #237 Mr. Bingley

Shock Troops is linked off of their 'statement on scott thomas' mea schmucka.

I'm still waiting for it to load.

Good catch.

264 jcm  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:44:10am

re: #260 paxnhymn

re: #257 jcm

Sorry jcm, blocked at work....I hope it was a good one...

The Johnny Hart (RIP) strip where BC goes in the outhouse with crescent and he writes SLAM vertically the I implied and the usually suspect went ballistic.

265 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:44:42am

Have you guys forgotten that we are all dying from a lack of ozone ruined, ruined I tell you, by all those horrific CFCs? Oh, and the DDT killing all those bird eggs? Never mind the malaria - it's only important when a lib contracts it.

I always like asking the academicians in college if things are so bad and were killing the world, why are we living so long? Then I usually wait about thirty minutes into the second class before I add something like "don't worry about a lack of ozone layer. Just wait until the Indians and Chineses start cranking up about a billion new CFC polluting air-conditioners. You'll think you're on Venus."

Only the Economics professors think it funny.

266 xtraBilly  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:44:44am
267 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:45:04am
268 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:45:37am

Mr Bingley

From your TRN link:


All of Beauchamp's essays were fact-checked before publication. We checked the plausibility of details with experts, contacted a corroborating witness, and pressed the author for further details. But publishing a first-person essay from a war zone requires a measure of faith in the writer. Given what we knew of Beauchamp, personally and professionally, we credited his report. After questions were raised about the veracity of his essay, TNR extensively re-reported Beauchamp's account.

hee-hee

269 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:45:52am

re: #225 doppelganglander

he ultimately wants a career writing in television. Is it enlisting under false pretenses if he uses his experience in his writing?

Not at all. Lots of people enlist for various reasons other than just wanting to do their part. In fact, I initially did it as a means to fund going to college. The differance between me and countless others and Scott Thomas is that we took the enlistment oath seriously and made good on our commitments to our country and to our respective services. Beauchump knew well in advance that he was only in it to make a name for himself and would wilfuly slander the Army, his brothers-in-arms, and his country if it would advance his personal goals.

Tell your son that he will get out of his service what he puts into it. And that there is only two things in the ocean, Submarines and targets.

270 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:46:45am

Mr Bingley:

In this process, TNR contacted dozens of people. Editors and staffers spoke numerous times with Beauchamp. We also spoke with current and former soldiers, forensic experts, and other journalists who have covered the war extensively. And we sought assistance from Army Public Affairs officers. Most important, we spoke with five other members of Beauchamp's company, and all corroborated Beauchamp's anecdotes, which they witnessed or, in the case of one solider, heard about contemporaneously. (All of the soldiers we interviewed who had first-hand knowledge of the episodes requested anonymity.)

Mr. Bingley,

Tell Mr. Darcy I said hello.

271 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:47:17am
272 pingjockey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:47:39am

re: #225 doppelganglander
Using true expeirences is one thing. Totally making stuff up that slurs the troops and the armed forces is quite another, and tell him that if somebody says "this is a no shitter" it is total BS. Good luck and following seas to your son.

273 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:47:43am

re: #212 MandyManners

re: #189 willtay73

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Wow, I'm a rebel!

Wait! Does that mean Santa has to change his laugh?

274 republic  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:48:49am

re: #259 TimeQuake

re: #183 RTLM


to state how her or his leadership would win back the international support, particularly in the Islamic world, that America has lost in recent years."

Can't. take. it. today.

AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGG!


Both "their" "leadership" has been to ignore the very terrorist threats that lead up to where we are today.

The Clintons solution to Bin Laden was to launch a few cruise missiles into known empty terrorist training camps.

Hillary has no clue how to prosecute a war against islamofascist terrorism, not a clue.

Come to think of it, what has Hillary done as a Senator?

Nothing positive or constructive for this country, or New Yorkers.

Hillary is in no way qualified to be President.

Not even close.

275 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:48:58am

re: #270 Ginn


Tell Mr. Darcy hello for me too. Tell him that he can dive into my pond anytime he needs to cool off after a hard ride.

276 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:49:48am

re: #275 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #270 Ginn


Tell Mr. Darcy hello for me too. Tell him that he can dive into my pond anytime he needs to cool off after a hard ride.

(lol)

Hi Pulch!

277 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:49:48am

OT: A few unanswered questions from recent news:

1. Turkey sent thousands of troops into Kurdistan a few weeks back. Are they still there?

2. What happened to the lesbian Muslim women in Dallas who were busted with explosives?

3. re: #253 Dar ul Harb

Stephen Spruiell at The Corner

f the perspective in the Western media were not totally skewed the other way, perhaps we'd see our aspiring writers rushing to Iraq to make up stories about Al-Qaeda brutality. Then again, one hardly lacks real examples.

And the bizarro world New York Times would be exposing the enemy's secret programs, rather than our own...

(H/T Instapundit)

Sort like how that story about al Qaeda in Iraq cooking the 11 or 12 year-old sons of Iraqi families and serving the child to the family for dinner--that story should have been all over the media, but only bounced around the blogs because it didn't fit the MSM agenda.

278 willtay73  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:50:07am

re: #273 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #212 MandyManners

re: #189 willtay73

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I'll jump in!

HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO
HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO
HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO
HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO

Wow, I'm a rebel!

Wait! Does that mean Santa has to change his laugh?

Very interesting thought. I wonder how they will handle Christmas. Wait! Christmas will soon be banned as well.

279 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:50:58am

re: #227 BeyondBrooklyn

My $0.02 on the NYC Intifada

280 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:52:15am

The real damage done with all this IMHO is that this POS Pvt Scott T Beauchamps name will be known by more people than the name of the last soldier awarded the Medal Of Honor.

Question, does anyone here know the name of that soldier without looking it up?

Says so much about how we treat those that serve. Makes me sick!

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281 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:52:28am

D'oh. I combined two posts accidentally.

282 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:52:48am

re: #223 just another four-letter word

re: #77 Poitiers-Lepanto


/TO MYSELF: anybody can look well educated...until he has to conjugate a Greek verb...

Oh, I dunno, P-L... MY definition of well-educated is somebody that can do Laplace or Fourier transforms. Rutherford could do 'em in his head!

But that's my humble opinion. I'm just a dumb Engineer... :)

JAFLW

Very funny.
I can FEEL a little of the good old taste of the old war science-humanities there.
I will not fall into the trap :-)
In fact, I am working on very interesting papers by Goedel (sorry, can't type it with the umlaut) and they are of EXTREME philosophical interest.
So I will agree with you.

BUT :-)

in cauda venenum:

"Science doesn't think" M. Heidegger

283 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:53:34am

re: #276 Ginn

Hi, just popping in for moment.

How you doin'?

284 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:53:57am

re: #236 FrogMarchFormer Slick Chief of Staff John Podesta was involved, so clearly her meaty little paws were all over it from the outset.

But it's nice to have confirmation.

285 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:54:30am

Charles:

I just found the TRN Diary, "Shock Troops" on Google and was able to pull it up.

[Link: www.tnr.com...]

286 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:55:05am

re: #261 republic

re: #236 FrogMarch

OT:
Hillary Clinton helped create "Media Matters". She just admitted it at the yearly KOS convention.

"Media Matters" are paid left-wing punks operatives who sit and listen to talk radio on behalf of Ms. Clinton. They sit and wait for someone to commit a "thought crime" or a politically incorrect statement, or a mind crime, or an-anti-progressive anti-collectivist slur.

Don Imus was targeted because Don Imus worked for a CBS affiliate. You cannot be allowed to work for the DNC media and say anything bad about a precious and holy democrat. Don was hard (mean and nasty) towards two big democrats: John Kerry and Hillary. Not allowed.
That is the real reason Don Imus was fired.

Here is her quote at Y-KOS

HILLARY:

"We are certainly better prepared and more focused on, you know, taking our arguments and making them effective and disseminating them widely and really putting together a network in the blogosphere, in a lot of the new progressive infrastructure, institutions that I helped to start and support, like Media Matters and Center for American Progress. We're beginning to match what I have said for years was the advantage of the other side. You know, when I made that comment, about the vast right-wing conspiracy, I wasn't kidding."

I have believed, and said for quite some time, and it is the truth, that the bulk of the msm is leftist Democrat state run msm.

No different than any other totalitarian controlled media around the world.

Scary. Reuters and the AP are boldly agenda driven and biased. I, like you, don't think it's just a matter of bias. It's teetering on actual state run media.

287 pingjockey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:55:36am

re: #280 1SG(ret)How true and how sad. I keep up with the news pretty well and i am ashamed to say i don't even know if any MoH has been awarded in Afghanistan or Iraq. I remember a couple of Navy Crosses but that's about it.

288 xtraBilly  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:56:09am

re: #279 JammieWearingFool

Do you know if the shirts come with matching Jihabs?

289 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:56:23am

I better declare
"Gotta go"

before the grenade I launched goes off.

Have a wonderful day, Lizards !

/running

290 BulgarWheat  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:56:31am

#280 1SG(ret)

SFC Paul Ray Smith.

291 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:57:24am

re: #266 xtraBilly

Hitler's Music Collection Turns Up in Dead Russian Soldier's Attic

but no records from The Rolling Stones


Hate to break this to you, but that's old news...

Swingtime for Hitler

292 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:57:50am

re: #290 BulgarWheat

Good guess, no cigar!

293 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:58:10am

Dear Pulch,

Mr. Darcy lives next door. I would be delighted to give him your message. As for me, my day so far has been quite illuminating while the weather is lovely.

Hope the same for you and will see you later.

Your friend and admirer,

Ginn

294 republic  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:58:30am

re: #286 FrogMarch

re: #261 republic


re: #236 FrogMarch

OT:
Hillary Clinton helped create "Media Matters". She just admitted it at the yearly KOS convention.

"Media Matters" are paid left-wing punks operatives who sit and listen to talk radio on behalf of Ms. Clinton. They sit and wait for someone to commit a "thought crime" or a politically incorrect statement, or a mind crime, or an-anti-progressive anti-collectivist slur.

Don Imus was targeted because Don Imus worked for a CBS affiliate. You cannot be allowed to work for the DNC media and say anything bad about a precious and holy democrat. Don was hard (mean and nasty) towards two big democrats: John Kerry and Hillary. Not allowed.
That is the real reason Don Imus was fired.

Here is her quote at Y-KOS

HILLARY:


"We are certainly better prepared and more focused on, you know, taking our arguments and making them effective and disseminating them widely and really putting together a network in the blogosphere, in a lot of the new progressive infrastructure, institutions that I helped to start and support, like Media Matters and Center for American Progress. We're beginning to match what I have said for years was the advantage of the other side. You know, when I made that comment, about the vast right-wing conspiracy, I wasn't kidding."

I have believed, and said for quite some time, and it is the truth, that the bulk of the msm is leftist Democrat state run msm.

No different than any other totalitarian controlled media around the world.


Scary. Reuters and the AP are boldly agenda driven and biased. I, like you, don't think it's just a matter of bias. It's teetering on actual state run media.

The bulk of the msm is clearly agenda driven by the left, and obviously it is controled by them, otherwise msm would simply say "screw you" to them.

What is making it even more controled by the left, is the great fact that much of the msm is in serious financial trouble, though they continue to try and pin it, that its not.

As always, nearly everything that the leftist/government touch, goes straight down the toilet.

295 TimeQuake  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:58:41am

re: #274 republic

Come to think of it, what has Hillary done as a Senator?

Campaigned for the position of POTUS.

That is all.

296 LoneSome Journey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:59:06am

#167 pingjockey

beauchamp knew that he had to sign the acknowledgement that the articles he wrote were lies, he'd face court martial for perjury under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) (originally written to cover officers, has been ammended to cover enlisted personel as well) Subchapter 10, Article 131, . They may get him Subchapter 10, Article 133 - Conduct Unbecoming.

He definitely isn't fit to wear the US Army, or any other branch's uniform. I doubt that beauchamp's illustrious military career is going to last much longer. But not to worry, mikey moore will probably create a documentary using beauchamp's articles. They are about as honest as the normal level of truth in a mikey moore movie.

297 BulgarWheat  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:59:06am

#280 1SG(ret)

After I posted I went back and checked, I was wrong.

298 lance  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:59:08am

Wow! I noticed that the searches didn't work this morning. I'd never read the articles (figured I didn't really need to). I actually was interested in reading Shock Troops after all the controversy - I had to go to some guy's blog and read excerpts! This is so, so shady.....

So, here's my thought for the day - has nothing to do with Shock Troops. It's about hypocrisy.

John Edwards, prominent Democrat, convinces all the rest of the Dem presidential candidates to boycott the Fox-sponsored debates, because Fox has a conservative bias. But all the Dem candidates are appearing at a debate today hosted by the AFL-CIO, hosted by Olbermann, no less!

What, did unions all of a sudden lose their overhemlingly Democratic bias? Once again, bias is all good, as long as you agree with it. Somehow I don't think the WaPo or NTY will have an editorial about this tomorrow.

299 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:59:09am

It was merely a figment of our imagination.

Somewhere, Nikita Khrushchev is smiling.

300 republic  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:59:41am

re: #295 TimeQuake

re: #274 republic


Come to think of it, what has Hillary done as a Senator?

Campaigned for the position of POTUS.

That is all.

Exactly.

301 just another four-letter word  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:00:47am

re: #282 Poitiers-Lepanto

Non-Carborundum Basturdum :))

JAFLW

/...and yes, I deliberately misspelled the Latin. IJADE!
/ War (between science/humanities)? What war?

302 FlyingTigress  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:01:02am

re: #287 pingjockey

re: #280 1SG(ret)How true and how sad. I keep up with the news pretty well and i am ashamed to say i don't even know if any MoH has been awarded in Afghanistan or Iraq. I remember a couple of Navy Crosses but that's about it.

I believe that the MOH has been awarded to two American heroes since 9/11.

303 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:01:37am

re: #280 1SG(ret)

I don't know the name off the top of my head, but I know where to find 'em. A very special breed indeed.

304 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:02:00am

Really have to go for now:

Lastest MOH awarded 26 Feb 2007 LTC Bruce P Crandall.

This name is more important to me than Beauchumps!

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305 Dustyvet  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:02:16am

883. ARTICLE 83. FRAUDULENT ENLISTMENT, APPOINTMENT, OR SEPARATION

Any person who--

(1) procures his own enlistment or appointment in the armed forces by knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment as to his qualifications for the enlistment or appointment and receives pay or allowances thereunder; or

(2) procures his own separation from the armed forces by knowingly false representation or deliberate concealment as to his eligibility for that separation;

shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.


[Link: www.ucmj.us...]

306 pingjockey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:03:55am

re: #296 LoneSome Journey 20 year navy here so i know a little about the ucmj. Many thanks for the technical description. Was a witness at acourt martial once. interesting exercise in justice.

307 Spider Mensch  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:06:03am

I know snotty blowchimps gig after the Army gets thru with him....him and adam gadahan (sp) can go on tour together in all the left wing venues..."scotty and andy, funny quips and treasonous bile. with special guest appearance by ward churchill and norm chompsky"

/birds of a feather

308 threeCents  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:06:15am

re: #69 SeafoodGumbo

Does anyone else think that the massive gap between these scandals is significant?

* 2.1 Walter Duranty, The New York Times (1930s)
* 2.2 Janet Cooke, Washington Post (1980-1981)
* 2.3 "Waiting to Explode", Dateline NBC (1992)

Does this mean that journalists had the utmost degree of integrity or were they just very good at covering it up?

309 Q-Burn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:12:40am

But what about today's biggest story in fake news, the demise of the beloved Weekly World News after 28 years?

This from former staffer Bob Lind (yes, the Elusive Butterfly guy):

Lind was constantly amazed at the letters that came in from readers. "You can't believe what people will believe -- and what they won't," he says.

Back in the '90s, for example, WWN published "HILLARY CLINTON ADOPTS ALIEN BABY" and illustrated it with a Photoshop picture of a smiling Hillary cradling a hideous but cute alien baby.

"We got a letter," recalls Lind, "and it said: 'Do you think we're so stupid that we believe that's Hillary holding that alien baby? Hillary's too cold to adopt an alien baby. You put her face on somebody else's picture.' "

Lind pauses to let that sink in. "So you realize that this person accepted the idea of an alien baby being found, and that somebody was holding it," he says, "but she couldn't believe it was Hillary."

310 3 wood  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:14:16am

re: #308 threeCents


Does this mean that journalists had the utmost degree of integrity or were they just very good at covering it up?

I think it was a lot harder to catch them back then, and the left had a choke hold on all forms of the media anyway.

311 FlyingTigress  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:14:58am

re: #302 FlyingTigress

re: #287 pingjockey


re: #280 1SG(ret)How true and how sad. I keep up with the news pretty well and i am ashamed to say i don't even know if any MoH has been awarded in Afghanistan or Iraq. I remember a couple of Navy Crosses but that's about it.

I believe that the MOH has been awarded to two American heroes since 9/11.

Two: 1SGT Smith (USA) and CPL Dunham (USMC) for actions during the GWOT. There have been several others since 9/11 for actions during preceeding conflicts (two for VN, one for Korea, and at least one for actions in WW2).

312 LoneSome Journey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:15:13am

#280 1SG(ret)
Being able to name the last 10, at a minimum, to recieve the Congressional Medal of Honor should be a requirement for graduation from every high school in this nation.

[Link: www.army.mil...]

313 threeCents  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:16:17am

re: #309 Q-Burn

Of course, the other explanation is that the person who wrote the letter was being facetious too; continuing the gag.

314 dmjung  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:19:09am

re: #132 easy

re: #68 JammieWearingFool


Melissa Hortman of the Minnesota House of Representatives "speculated that 90-plus-degree heat Wednesday and the above-normal temperatures of the past two summers may have been a contributing factor," and said "You wonder if this bridge was built to withstand the massive heat we have had this summer." Or even if it was built to withstand heat, whether its structural deficiencies undermined the design integrity to a point where heat contributed to the collapse.

While fire does melt steel, it does have to get a bit higher than a massive 90 F

Crap, I guess the bridges here in Texas must be all be about to collapse as well...90 F can be a cool-wave here sometimes.

315 realwest  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:19:46am

re: #311 FlyingTigress I may have misunderstood your post, but there were many, many more than two MOH awarded during the Vietnam War (click on link provided by LoneSome Journey at #312.)

316 Q-Burn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:21:27am

re: #313 threeCents

True dat. I used to get a lot of morning show material from them in their early years, before they totally jumped the shark.

317 threeCents  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:21:44am

re: #310 3 wood

Yes, it appears that the explosion of exposures coincides with the prevalence of the conservative media. However, Wikipedia may not have the complete list. It is Wikpedia, after all.

318 pingjockey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:22:33am

re: #315 realwestThe navy had a whole class of ships, Knox class frigates and most if not all were named for holders of the MoH. By the way most navy receipients of the medal are corpsman.

319 Kirly  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:22:56am

re: #116 vxbush

re: #103 Ginn


Hey, VX... I know who's the Fakeist? Wikki... or TRN?

I think any of us, in our zeal, could fake stuff. It takes a great deal of intestinal fortitude and integrity to stay above these tactics.

no it doesn't! it's called integrity.

320 SeafoodGumbo  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:26:33am

TNR responds:

A STATEMENT ON SCOTT THOMAS:

We've talked to military personnel directly involved in the events that Scott Thomas Beauchamp described, and they corroborated his account as detailed in our statement. When we called Army spokesman Major Steven F. Lamb and asked about an anonymously sourced allegation that Beauchamp had recanted his articles in a sworn statement, he told us, "I have no knowledge of that." He added, "If someone is speaking anonymously [to The Weekly Standard], they are on their own." When we pressed Lamb for details on the Army investigation, he told us, "We don't go into the details of how we conduct our investigations."

--The Editors
posted 2:12 p.m.

321 Ginn  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:28:19am

'Shock Troops' - Gone from TNR?
A search on The New Republic for “Shock Troops” turns up no results; they’ve apparently removed Scott Beauchamp’s articles without a word.


CHARLES...

I know you're out of pocket today but I wanted you to know that I was able to find the Beauchamp Shock Troops Diary on TRN.

Thanks

Ginn

322 LoneSome Journey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:33:32am

#306 pingjockey

I spent my time during the South East Asia War Games, known affectionally as Viet Nam and surrounding areas.

I can't discuss my activitiees while there. A big NO NO.

323 pingjockey  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:38:13am

re: #322 LoneSome JourneyMy brother in laws step son graduated BUDS in april. Some positive thoughts from one who saw the elephant would be appreciated.

324 Jimash  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:38:49am

L.I.A.R.

325 Capitolist_tool64  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:41:52am

In the imortal words of Gomer Pyle.... "Supprize supprize."

326 Kirly  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:43:40am

re: #173 realwest

re: #148 Kirly I don't disagree with your assessment, but I gotta tell ya, the very first time I read that, I KNEW he was lying. It's been 30+ years since I was in the Army, but it's inconceivable to me that a troop would say anything remotely like that about a wounded or disfigured by wounds, troop. NEVER. And if it had, I GUARANTEE you that other troops would have forcefully shut him up.

i know you're right realwest. my nephew has been in ROTC for years and goes into the Marines September 4. Chivalry and more lives on in the United States Armed Forces.

that beauchamp fool was likely undercover the entire time.

327 Cygnus  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:47:47am

re: #68 JammieWearingFool

Actually, this took longer than I expected, yet it was inevitable.

Ex-Clinton Official Ties Minneapolis Bridge Collapse To Global Warming.

Hat tip: Rush.

Several of us made jokes about this. I guess it was inevitable that somebody would actually blame global warming! Crazy.

328 Cygnus  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:50:19am

re: #88 MandyManners

I think that Beaupeep should be sent home and put on some duty where he has zero chance of getting hurt. Can you imagine the hue and cry that would erupt if he were to get killed fragged in Iraq?

Much more likely. Don't diss the troops.

329 Cygnus  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:00:24pm

re: #161 victor_yugo

re: #143 billhedrick

We have always been at war with Oceania

2+2=5

He loved Big Brother.

330 Kailen  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:00:56pm

They've been reading 1984 again at TNR.

"We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia. We were never at war with Eurasia. Eurasia is our ally."

They're obviously doubleplusgood.

331 'Nam Grunt  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:02:29pm

This a$$hole should be prosecuted with extreme prejudice under the guidance of the UCMJ for his "kerry tales"!

332 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:07:25pm

Old tricks.

The horror is that they once worked.

Now, because the Net's skills includes a lot of people who can do research, I learned early on that Buttchump even lied when he wrote that he was a private, first class. Nope. He'd broken some rules that had him demoted. Not that he ever told this in his articles. But, I'd bet he carries a huge grudge against the army for downgrading him.

Then, I read that he saw a "skulls in the cemetary, played with by American soldiers," in GERMANY. Where WW2 remains had been found. It was front page news THERE. Buttchump didn't think he had to admit the source of the "child's skull used as a yarmulka." He thought his fabricated take had nothing to do with the original. So be it.

The "burned lady" by the way, is fiction. Written by BRAD THOR. I'd guess "Scott Thomas" read this book in Kuwait. Doesn't make the story's moving to Kuwait either true. Or all that "entertaining."

If, in fact, this turd had done something like this in a mess hall, I think he'd have had his face re-arranged.

Now? The Army is keeping him away from his platoon. And, soon he'll get an administrative discharge, or less. Will TNR want to print his story when he's free to tell it? And, will they at least really fact check it, first?

Here? They were aiming for a pulitzer prize. Instead they got the putzy.

333 rcpjr  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:12:26pm

You have to love it. They are going down with the ship at TNR. This was posted 30+ mins ago:

A STATEMENT ON SCOTT THOMAS BEAUCHAMP:

We've talked to military personnel directly involved in the events that Scott Thomas Beauchamp described, and they corroborated his account as detailed in our statement. When we called Army spokesman Major Steven F. Lamb and asked about an anonymously sourced allegation that Beauchamp had recanted his articles in a sworn statement, he told us, "I have no knowledge of that." He added, "If someone is speaking anonymously [to The Weekly Standard], they are on their own." When we pressed Lamb for details on the Army investigation, he told us, "We don't go into the details of how we conduct our investigations."

--The Editors
posted 2:32 p.m.

334 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:17:04pm

When TNR prints again, how they handle their cover should be interesting.

I'd recommend to them to take a Pulitzer. Break it. Smash it. And, to put on the cover the flying shards.

They were aiming for a Pulitzer! Buttchump's stories were supposed to keep on playing. That they're hiding them now is only the start.

By the way, when Dan Rather blew up C-BS, C-BS had to call in Dick Thornburgh for an investigation. Which cost those suits $10-million-dollars. High handed stuff like that doesn't come cheap.

At the end of the investigation? Mary Mapes was sacrificed. I'll give odds, now, that Elsbeth Reeves' job as chief-fact-checker is gonna bite the dust. There's no hope, ahead, for that magazine.

And, I'll also bet a lot of high-end merchandisers who spend big bucks to be in their Christmas issue, are wondering if placing fancy ads there will be worth it? Would they pay off, or just make people angrier than all get out? Even Libs take it out on advertisers when they begin to feel the pain.

335 Cygnus  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:18:51pm

re: #210 easy

Don't forget entropy.

336 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:21:00pm

re: #333 rcpjr

You have to love it. They are going down with the ship at TNR. This was posted 30+ mins ago:

A STATEMENT ON SCOTT THOMAS BEAUCHAMP:

We've
talked to military personnel directly involved in the events that Scott
Thomas Beauchamp described, and they corroborated his account as
detailed in our statement. When we called Army spokesman Major Steven
F. Lamb and asked about an anonymously sourced allegation that
Beauchamp had recanted his articles in a sworn statement, he told us,
"I have no knowledge of that." He added, "If someone is speaking
anonymously [to The Weekly Standard], they are on their own." When we
pressed Lamb for details on the Army investigation, he told us, "We
don't go into the details of how we conduct our investigations."

--The Editors
posted 2:32 p.m.


WOW!

Again, the Net's ahead. This is just an amazing way to see news traveling to millions of people. While the John Kerry old guard was the one to promise "halp is on the way." Oh, yeah.

How come in "fact checking," they just didn't go back to the PR Army person in Kuwait? Goldfarb used the name. It's out there. Yet they manage to put people against the wall who will GIVE THEM THE QUOTES THEY NEED! Lamb for their sacrifice. What a way to go!

DUMB AS DOLTS. If there was any doubt, that's gone now, too.

337 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:21:38pm

Will TNR go the way of the Literary Digest?

338 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:24:57pm

re: #336 Carol Herman

How come in "fact checking," they just didn't go back to the PR Army person in Kuwait? Goldfarb used the name. It's out there. Yet they manage to put people against the wall who will GIVE THEM THE QUOTES THEY NEED! Lamb for their sacrifice. What a way to go!

Because they're predisposed to disbelieve the Army. I'll bet that next, the libs will claim that Beauchamp was intimidated or "tortured" into recanting, for daring to "speak truth to power".

339 FlyingTigress  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:31:07pm

re: #315 realwest

re: #311 FlyingTigress I may have misunderstood your post, but there were many, many more than two MOH awarded during the Vietnam War (click on link provided by LoneSome Journey at #312.)

You did misunderstand.

I was clarifying/referencing my initial statement about those servicepersonnel who were awarded the MOH since 9/11.

Obviously, many others had been awarded the MOH for those conflicts -- it is just that there were a few since 9/11whose WW2/Korea/VN records were finally evaluated/re-evaluated for consideration, and award, of the MOH.

340 FlyingTigress  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:32:25pm

re: #219 willtay73

re: #212 MandyManners


re: #189 willtay73

bitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitch bitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitch
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bitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitch bitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitch
bitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitch bitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitch


Somebody get the NYC Council on the phone. We have our first detractor of the NYC Council approved speech code.


Just be careful around Christmas, if you're Santa Claus... no more
'ho...'ho...'ho...

341 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:36:58pm
342 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:40:14pm

re: #338 Ward Cleaver

That's what I was "implying." They went to LAMB, knowing the Army had him forbidden to release details about Beauchamp's interrogation by investigators.

That's the way TNR "works." They've learned the "ART OF THE QUOTE MACHINES." This includes FABRICATING your results.

I was trying to point out that Michael Goldfarb GAVE THE NAMES of the ARMY PERSONNEL who did, in fact, tell him, Buttchump's stories were FALSE. And, TNR decided to go to LAMB.

Lenin's dead. Or they would have called him up "for a quote."

343 DaMav  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 12:57:51pm

Fortunately for The New Republic, the fourth article in the series had not yet been released.

344 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 1:09:19pm

TNR is doubling down on their version of events. They finally named a source of their military affairs and found the one guy who wouldn't confirm or deny any actions taken on Beauchamp as though that actually confirms TNR's version.

CY notes that the latest missive from TNR actually cuts down the number of corroborating individuals - no mention of experts, etc.

When you don't have much left to lose, what else are you going to do? That's right - double down and hope no one calls your bluff.

I'm sure that Michael Goldfarb is tracking down his sources as we write to provide the final nails for the coffin.

345 lorien1973  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 1:10:39pm

I think its a faulty internal search function, not shenanigans at TNR. The search function does not appear to search through article titles; only article content; and even when it does that, it does it very poorly.

346 OliveMe  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 1:25:53pm

I was able to get the article by googling "new republic shock troops."

347 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 1:46:57pm

re: #4 Ringo the Gringo

Scott who?

Snotty Buttchump,that's "who."

348 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 1:47:54pm

re: #11 Lone_Oregon_Conservative

I would like to nominate the New Republic for the first annual "Dan Rather Excellence In Reporting" Award.

This is the Darwin Award you don't have to die for, to get.

349 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 1:49:00pm

re: #343 DaMav

Fortunately for The New Republic, the fourth article in the series had not yet been released.

OH, no! That would make a perfect "comeback" cover. As soon as they return from vacation.

350 FlyingTigress  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 1:52:13pm
re: #344 lawhawk

TNR is doubling down on their version of events. They finally named a source of their military affairs and found the one guy who wouldn't confirm or deny any actions taken on Beauchamp as though that actually confirms TNR's version.

CY notes that the latest missive from TNR actually cuts down the number of corroborating individuals - no mention of experts, etc.

When you don't have much left to lose, what else are you going to do? That's right - double down and hope no one calls your bluff.

I'm sure that Michael Goldfarb is tracking down his sources as we write to provide the final nails for the coffin.

Doubling down on a pair of Deuces.

Even "Richie "I also like to live dangerously" Cunningham" (aka Austin Powers, IMOM) wouldn't go there.

351 Tinian  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 1:57:17pm

It's there on TNR now--but subscribers only.

[Link: www.tnr.com...]

352 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 1:57:36pm

The New Republic is still in business?

Question of the day:

What paper has the most made up stories.

1) The New Republic

B) The Weekly World News

(keep in mind, no one has proof Bush is not a space alien.

353 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 1:58:04pm

re: #254 Ginn

Your "mea schmucka" was wonderful.

And, here, all I can suggest is that The New Republic is so full of itself, it thought it was practically writing its Pulitzer Prize for this dreck.

No Pulitzer Prize for this dreck, now.

354 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 2:03:52pm

re: #198 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

re: #177 victor_yugo

True. But "Enlisted under false pretenses" is one of the more
serious charges he could be facing. It is also one of the more
difficult to prove. Unless he breaks down and tells the investigators
that the only reason he joined was to fuel his writing career, and he
knew up front he was not going to faithfully fulfill his enlistment
oath, there may be no way to make that charge stick.

Ya know? I think TNR's Franklin Foer, and other suits, are shitting in their pants.

They know they've been outted.

And, since they're on vacation, and not taxed by work, they've gotta be hoping that they can "change the subject." Something that's NOT happening now at all.

Maybe, that's why they're DESPERATE to get ahold of Buttchump? They can't. He's in some sort of "administrative limbo." And, IF that's what they're waiting to tell; the follow up to this exposure, they might have to wait until Buttchump's service is over. And, he is discharged.

Meanwhile, what TNR is doing is using quotes to FALSIFY what's been found out, so far. Which is an interest gambit. Or as #350, Flying Tigress, says: It's dumb to bet the ranch on two dueces. When you bluff like that you tend to fart up a storm as well. I'd bet that "tell" is in place.

Would you want to be vacationing with Franklin Foer, now?

355 cod_is_great  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 2:24:53pm

TNR now saw he hasn't recanted.

356 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 2:36:21pm

re: #69 SeafoodGumbo

This is interesting. The eco-leftist site mindfully.org still cites as fact the allegations made against Chiquita Brands in a 1998 Cincinatti Inquirer series, even though the series was discredited, author Mike Gallagher was fired, and the Inquirer paid a record $10 million settlement to Chiquita.

357 SirEverlast  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 2:41:40pm

FYI, Beauchamp was reduced in rank to E1 and fined a month's pay for this little escapade according to some of my contacts over in country. This isn't his first article 15 either; in May of last year he was reduced from PFC to E2. For those of you who check AKO whitepages, his rank should reflect in the next couple of days.

358 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 2:49:35pm
359 blog_espen  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 3:01:44pm

TNR has this on their front page via this link:

[Link: www.tnr.com...]

A STATEMENT ON SCOTT THOMAS BEAUCHAMP:

We've talked to military personnel directly involved in the events that Scott Thomas Beauchamp described, and they corroborated his account as detailed in our statement. When we called Army spokesman Major Steven F. Lamb and asked about an anonymously sourced allegation that Beauchamp had recanted his articles in a sworn statement, he told us, "I have no knowledge of that." He added, "If someone is speaking anonymously [to The Weekly Standard], they are on their own." When we pressed Lamb for details on the Army investigation, he told us, "We don't go into the details of how we conduct our investigations."

--The Editors

360 Jamie Irons  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 3:20:16pm

Charles,

Since the late 1960s, I have been a subscriber to The New Republic. Both the "articles" and the editorial handling of this controversy have so upset me, that I called The New Republic's offices today and discontinued my long-standing subscription. Among other people, I spoke to a very nice young woman named Jillian, who seemed somewhat shocked at my response, although she was very respectful and polite, and assured me she would pass on my remarks to her "superiors" (her word, though I doubt that they are in any real sense superior to her).

Jamie Irons

361 Perplexed  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 4:16:20pm

And yet another lying liberal bites the dust.

362 ubercheesehead  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 5:53:58pm

The thing I find so amusing in all this is the pop-up ad trying to sell subscriptions to TNR when you visit the site. Sort of like trying to sell tickets to a carnival ride to the gawkers who have come to see the guy who just got killed riding on it. Looks like they will ride this one right into the ground.

363 Throbert McGee  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 6:13:36pm

re: #360 Jamie Irons

Among other people, I spoke to a very nice young woman named Jillian, who seemed somewhat shocked at my response

Oh, I miss Jillian! She's a sweetheart and has no involvement whatsoever with the shenanigans of the editorial staff.

364 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 6:35:38pm

re: #360 Jamie Irons

Charles,

Since the late 1960s, I have been a subscriber to The New Republic. Both the "articles" and the editorial handling of this controversy have so upset me, that I called The New Republic's
offices today and discontinued my long-standing subscription. Among
other people, I spoke to a very nice young woman named Jillian, who
seemed somewhat shocked at my response, although she was very
respectful and polite, and assured me she would pass on my remarks to
her "superiors" (her word, though I doubt that they are in any real
sense superior to her).

Jamie Irons


WOW

When subscriptions suffer, THEN Franklin Foer gets called on the carpet. He's not home free.

I also think that advertisers, notoriously gun shy, can find other places to put their ads; when they're surfing for Christmas business.

C-BS, by the way, got hurt in this financial sense, only after their ratings dropped like an anchor. It's the hand and glove mechanism of why businesses stay in business. Has nothing to do with vanity at all.

I'm listening to LAND OF LINCOLN, by Andrew Ferguson, while I drive about.

And, I've reached the point where the affirmative action folks "changed" the way history got presented. And, they tore out the old Lincoln exhibits; especially in Springfield, Illinois. What they didn't count on was the DROP IN BUSINESS. This hit the museum so hard, they've dumped the academic aproach of "diversity" when presenting history.

First, idiots get a toe-hold. Then, they move into the executive suites. What sullies them up is when business goes South. And, when you hear this, you're not even surprised. But the truth is all those dullards never expected to lose customers.

I'd bet, today, at least one million more people know about Scott Thomas' "articles" than just what usually happens when these magazines are published.

And, I still contend the reason for publishing Scott Thomas' material is that it was sure to be a "sweeper" in the Pulitzer Prize Awards department.

Just like the crap you see at the Oscars. Another venue that's losing audience share. Because what the audiences want NO LONGER MATTERS.

Bullying customers doesn't go on forever.

365 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 6:41:26pm

I can't believe that Beauchamp skated away with nothing more than a fine and an irrelevant rank reduction to butt private, considering the damage he's caused. His actions were dishonorable at the very least, and I don't think anything less than a Bad Conduct Discharge would be suitable.

Let him run for dogcatcher with that. This guy won't ever learn.

366 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 6:52:11pm

re: #211 really grumpy big dog Johnson

The only two things left that I really want to know about this terminally dead horse are these...

1. Is Scotty B's girlfriend still his girlfriend, or has he just not gotten the Dear John yet?

2. Is Scotty B's girfriend unemployed?

Inquiriing minds must know these things.


YOU CAN ADD A THIRD ONE:

3. Is Beauchamp's story, now that he's undergoing Army discipline, worth telling? Can he sell this to Foer down the line?

How far down the line? Depends on when he'll get discharged. It's the military. And, they've taken away his cell phone and his laptop. I'd bet there's been a loss of other privileges as well.

Something tells me, "after we find out the military's handling of this clown's "chapters and verses," which will either continue to appear on blogs, as information comes out; OR Buttchump can sell it to those who come to bid. Ya know, in journalism schools they do teach you how to "auction" your product. What makes you think this "writer" won't be looking to get published, ahead? He's actually going through the wringer, now.

367 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 7:02:13pm

re: #245 bulwrk

Wich woud make the outhouse the 267,343rd most holy site in islam.

Is this where the expression "holy shit" comes from?

Off Topic. But fun. Abraham Lincoln loved to tell jokes. And, this is one from his collection.

"An Englishman, wanting to insult John Adams, when he had come to visit; hung a portrait of George Washington in his out house. When Adams went there, he came back, and said to his host: "That's a great picture to hang there, nothing makes an Englishman shit faster than seeing a portrait of George Washington!"

Again, there's a world of difference between what you think you'll get, when you put something in "play." And, what actually happens, when the show is on the road. And, real audiences react.

368 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 7:11:15pm

re: #285 Ginn

Charles:

I just found the TRN Diary, "Shock Troops" on Google and was able to pull it up.

[Link: www.tnr.com...]

I wonder if TNR has a "counter?" So that when a previously published article is "called up" ... they know about this activity.

Given it's not their proudest moment; I'd like to know IF THEY ARE COUNTING, how far ahead Buttchump is to about everything else in their "library?"

Numbers are very interesting things. They do the kinds of talking, without words, that can tell ya a whole lot. Now that Charles has run this thread, I'd bet there are THOUSANDS of searches; through Google, too. And, you know they're counting!

369 Hankmeister  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 7:14:38pm

The New Republic .... buwhahahahahahahahahaha (gasp) hahahahaha! What morons. The conservative blogosphere told them but like CBS and Dan Rather they simply wouldn't listen.

370 Texas Joel  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 8:04:44pm

I've been trying to remember something about that scene that STB described in the 'mess hall' which apparently didn't take place in either Kuwait or Iraq.
Isn't that lifted almost exactly from a movie-- Wing Commander? No? I can't remember, but my wife and I both thought the story sounded familiar but not from a 'historical' war movie.

371 Fearless Fred  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 8:08:26pm

re: #254 Ginn

re: #231 willtay73

re: #221 Ginn

re: #173 realwest

re: #148 Kirly I don't disagree with your assessment, but I gotta tell ya, the very first time I read that, I KNEW he was lying. It's been 30+ years since I was in the Army, but it's inconceivable to me that a troop would say anything remotely like that about a wounded or disfigured by wounds, troop. NEVER. And if it had, I GUARANTEE you that other troops would have forcefully shut him up.

Realwest,I knew he was lying too. How come TRN didn't?

They wanted to believe the story. The story pushes an agenda and TNR will happily use it to persuade the civilian population that their military is full of nasty people.

I wanted to believe that my last love was a good guy. It bit me in the ass. But I wasn't a supposed news opinion periodical like TRN whose goal is to push agendas.

I bet you anything TRN will survive this and carry on as if nothing ever happened.

Yeah --- same w/ my 'last'. And you're right about TNR's prospects ... no one reads that rubish to get the truth.

372 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 8:48:12pm

re: #355 cod_is_great

TNR now saw he hasn't recanted.


I read this different. I read this as a "trick" pulled by TNR, where they are reporting "they couldn't confirm LAMB's comments that Michael Goldfarb used when he broke the story that Buttchump admitted to lying. And, he signed the "affy-davy."

Seems Foer kept asking Lamb questions about the investigation which brought the "official stamp" that the Army doesn't discuss those things.

It's not an honest approach for TNR to take. But they are on vacation; and they don't see, as yet, what anyone can do to them about this published story.

On the other hand? It's not gonna win the Pulitzer.

Oh, and "not just conservatives" have shown an extraordinary interest in how this story breaks on the NET.

Dan Rather? He still says his report was "spot on." Of course, he's been dropped as an anchor at C-BS. And, it cost the suits more than $10-million-dollars, to hire Dick Thornburgh, who then "whitewashed the suits," but the fired Mary Mapes carried the brunt of the "fake but accurate" story.

Since Mapes found a publisher, and IF you read what she wrote; you'd learn that right after Dan Rather's broadcast; everyone on excutive row was giving her big hugs.

Then? Well, she became the "fall guy."

As to the annonymous sources used by TNR, to corroborate the "smidgen of truth" in Scott Thomas' lies; there's always Lucy Ramirez. I bet she's their #1 corroborating source.

But still up ahead? NO PULITZER'S!

Plus, Google now knows how much interest is "out there." Because they count and data mine everything.

You don't need a subscription to find out much about this drooping "Trooper" story.

Is Buttchamp in the Brig? If he is, and he's allowed paper and pencil, he can scribble away; and then try to sell the story of what it's like when 100 fellow infantrymen hate your guts. And, your little pecker got caught in the wringer.

Hey, he, too, just like John Kerry, can become a gigolo?

373 Carol Herman  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 8:55:57pm

re: #370 Texas Joel

I've been trying to remember something about that scene that STB
described in the 'mess hall' which apparently didn't take place in
either Kuwait or Iraq.
Isn't that lifted almost exactly from a movie-- Wing Commander?
No? I can't remember, but my wife and I both thought the story sounded
familiar but not from a 'historical' war movie.


Try Amazon. Plug in BRAD THOR. His fiction contains a tale of a woman whose face is destroyed by an IED.

Buttchump takes "events" as if they are yarns. And, even though these things come off the shelf, he forgets "attribution."

Given that the information has been coming out; TNR really owes a correction to those whose works got stolen by this putz, buttchamp.

There's also the newspaper, in Germany, that ran with the article where troops discovered a WW2 graveyard. And, one soldier is seen holding up a skull, like he's Hamlet. Talking to Warwick? {"Alas, poor Warwick, I knew him well."} But then I'm trying to quote Shakespeare off the top of my head.

You bet, Buttchump took leaps with material he found at hand. How did that crap ever lead editors at TNR to believe they'd acquire a Pulitzer for this stuff?

374 missykrissy  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:36:20pm

It was true before it was false.

(And once the angst dies down? Well, to moonbats it will be 'true' again. Just like Rathergate. )

375 Uncle Joe  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:52:19pm

Meet the New Republic, same as the old Republic.

HA-ha....

376 mrclark  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 9:59:27pm

re: #346 OliveMe

I was able to get the article by googling "new republic shock troops."

I googled "shock troops", since it didn't come up on TNRs search..

[Link: www.google.com...]

377 Phaneul  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:07:21pm

Late to the thread, and I haven't waded through 300+ posts, but I use Google Tool Bar (which I'm unsure is a good thing or not, still). His article shows up third on the results page. I tried to C&P a tinyurl referral, but it's not permitted here, so here's the long original;

[Link: www.google.com...]

BTW, I'm finally was able to register, and this is my first post. I don't recall reading any brief introductions in the comments before, but I'm taking the opportunity to say 'hello'. It's nice to be here.

Hope

378 Phaneul  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 10:35:17pm

Whoops. "I'm finally was". Great on a first post. " I was finally" is how it should read.

379 Arbalest  Tue, Aug 7, 2007 11:31:13pm

Apparently the New York Times and Washington Post (as found and linked on Ace of Spades) will be running articles on the “Shock Troops” – TNR – Scott B. drama, and both seem to be written in a reasonably opinion-neutral-just-the-facts manner.

Actually, the Washington Post article closes with this remark:

Mark Feldstein, a journalism professor at George Washington University, called the Army's refusal to release its report "suspect," adding: "There is a cloud over the New Republic, but there's one hanging over the Army, as well. Each investigated this and cleared themselves, but they both have vested interests." "

Just to be intellectually honest, do not journalists, of all types and educational levels, have a cloud hanging over them? As pointed out (earlier in this thread, I think), the number of journalistic scandals has increased, and markedly since 2000.

Has the “Stephen Glass” cloud over The New Republic dissipated yet?

Further, the cloud hanging over the Army seems to have been created by a journalist who himself is under quite a cloud of suspicion.


In both reports, it seems that Mr. Foer is sold on the accuracy of Mr. Beauchamp’s articles: “Thus far, we’ve been provided no evidence that contradicts our original statement, . . .”

The question, then, is clearly “Is Mr. Beauchamp reporting the truth?

One of Mr. Beauchamp’s first public statements was: “. . . maddening, to say the least, to see the plausibility of events that I witnessed questioned by people who have never served in Iraq.” (emphasis mine)

There is a reasonable expectation that the editors of TNR are aware of this statement, and were aware of it at roughly the time it was made public.

All native speakers of English, with at least a 6th grade education, know that “plausibility and “truth” do not mean the same thing.

“Truth” might be a subset of “plausibility”, but many “plausible” things never come to pass, and therefore never become “true”.

There seems a reasonable expectation that the editors of TNR know the difference in meaning of “plausibility” and “truth” (after all, they ARE editors, are they not? Or are they self-appointed editors, and does this make a difference?).

The use of “plausibility” instead of “truth” should have given them an indication that something was very wrong with Mr. Beauchamp’s writings.


Again, are the writings of Mr. Beauchamp the “truth”, not just “plausible”?

“Plausibility” of the writings is of no interest; the “truth” of the writings is.


The U.S. Army statements seem clear.

Washington Post:
"An investigation has been completed and the allegations made by Pvt. Beauchamp were found to be false," an Army statement said. "His platoon and company were interviewed and no one could substantiate the claims."

New York Times:
“. . . Maj. Steven F. Lamb, deputy public affairs officer in Baghdad, wrote in an e-mail message. “The allegations are false, his platoon and company were interviewed, and no one could substantiate the claims he made.”

Some, if not all, of the editors at TNR know this, yet they claim to have verification of Mr. Beauchamp’s claims (by sources to whom they grant anonymity).

The onus is on the TNR editors to provide evidence of the truth of Mr. Beauchamp’s writings.

Things have gone too far; “plausibility” and anonymous sources will no longer suffice.

380 Dustyvet  Wed, Aug 8, 2007 8:21:44am

re: #357 SirEverlast

FYI, Beauchamp was reduced in rank to E1 and fined a month's pay for this little escapade according to some of my contacts over in country. This isn't his first article 15 either; in May of last year he was reduced from PFC to E2. For those of you who check AKO whitepages, his rank should reflect in the next couple of days.


I've always figured that this scum bag has a 201 file full of article 15s, both company grade and field grade. I kind of wonder if this crapola TNR published was written for this little darling and Bopeep's name added to it later.


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